Doctor Who Series 13: Goodbye, Mr. Chibs

[BritishHobo]

And the overarching plot still feels too muddled to be exciting. The penultimate episode should be so thrilling, but I don't feel it's given me anything more than it already had in episode one. The weird-looking fellas want to do a Flux.

[McDead]

EDIT: forget it. Seal it in the Pandorica

[Wentworth Smith]

That is completely in your mind, sorry.

She's wearing a dressing gown, and to any non-pervy viewers he's clearly enjoying her exhilarating moment of weightlessness in space and the fact that, as the Doctor, he can gift that to humans.


As I said before, pervy viewership and fancying the companions does not equal "he's written them all as totty!!!"

I think for a lot of these 'Moffatt was pervy all the time! Here's five times sex was mentioned' types it's more a problem with the people who complain about them than the actual show. I think they would prefer a sexless Hartnell figure, but Whittaker is ok as they have been given no personality and have never hinted at sex.

It strikes me that this is perhaps why Chibbers is popular with them: the character have so little about them that they can see whatever they want in the blandness.

[McDead]

I think for a lot of these 'Moffatt was pervy all the time! Here's five times sex was mentioned' types it's more a problem with the people who complain about them than the actual show. I think they would prefer a sexless Hartnell figure, but Whittaker is ok as they have been given no personality and have never hinted at sex.

It strikes me that this is perhaps why Chibbers is popular with them: the character have so little about them that they can see whatever they want in the blandness.

Christ, this is an ugly thread. "Watch what you say about Steven Moffat, boy, or I might have to imply that you're somehow sexually deficient". Grim stuff.

[mjwilson]

That is completely in your mind, sorry.

She's wearing a dressing gown, and to any non-pervy viewers he's clearly enjoying her exhilarating moment of weightlessness in space and the fact that, as the Doctor, he can gift that to humans.


As I said before, pervy viewership and fancying the companions does not equal "he's written them all as totty!!!"

There is an Amy upskirt scene, it's in a Children in Need sketch where Rory gets distracted by the view, because Amy's standing on a glass floor.

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Christ, this is an ugly thread. "Watch what you say about Steven Moffat, boy, or I might have to imply that you're somehow sexually deficient". Grim stuff.

I'd prefer a sexless Doctor too, but I wouldn't consider myself sexually deficient beyond the fact that I am.


Regardless, one doesn't follow from the other.

[Natnar]

I think for a lot of these 'Moffatt was pervy all the time! Here's five times sex was mentioned' types it's more a problem with the people who complain about them than the actual show. I think they would prefer a sexless Hartnell figure, but Whittaker is ok as they have been given no personality and have never hinted at sex.

It strikes me that this is perhaps why Chibbers is popular with them: the character have so little about them that they can see whatever they want in the blandness.

Christ.

[Wentworth Smith]

Christ, this is an ugly thread. "Watch what you say about Steven Moffat, boy, or I might have to imply that you're somehow sexually deficient". Grim stuff.

I said nothing of the kind, for all I know you're an absolute demon in the sack, but I will point out you're the one who seems to have memorised every vague mention of sex in the Moffatt era and keeps using the word 'totty'.

[Ballad of Ballard Berkley]

The hermit was the one bit that bordered on being legitimately funny, but also bordered on being a racist stereotype.

Try not being boring and not being racist, Chris!

An odd scene. I found it quite amusing, Chibnall wrote some jokes that actually landed for once. The actor playing the hermit displayed some decent comic timing. But yeah, the whole thing was quite dodgy. It felt like he was trying to write a Python-esque bit of comedy, and he sort of pulled it off on a very basic level. While at the same time coming across as a bit racist.

Entirely unintentional, I'm sure, but Chris Chibnall is not a man who puts a great deal of thought into his work.

[McDead]

I said nothing of the kind, for all I know you're an absolute demon in the sack, but I will point out you're the one who seems to have memorised every vague mention of sex in the Moffatt era and keeps using the word 'totty'.

Don't bother pointing that out, cos it's a load of shit. And I'm using the word totty with care, cos it's the perfect nineties sex comedy word, and that's where Moffats head was at when he was overseeing the show. But you know what, whatever, this whole side bar sucks and this is the wrong thread for it anyway. Cheers.

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There is an Amy upskirt scene, it's in a Comic Relief sketch where Rory gets distracted by the view, because Amy's standing on a glass floor.

Does the fact they are husband and wife make it less dreadful?  It's not the Doctor and Amy, as previously claimed, and it's not a stranger perving over the companion which is another way it would be creepy.

[Ballad of Ballard Berkley]

What happened to...

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... the little girl from last week's episode? Have I missed something? Did Yaz, Dan and Jericho just leave her to fend for herself in that floating space village?

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[Exposition]

What happened to...

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... the little girl from last week's episode? Have I missed something? Did Yaz, Dan and Jericho just leave her to fend for herself in that floating space village?

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welp

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Grand Serpent and Jericho are in the trailer for the next episode, and I don't know why the little girl would just disappear (would Dan, Yaz and Jericho just leave her?

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[Natnar]

What happened to...

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... the little girl from last week's episode? Have I missed something? Did Yaz, Dan and Jericho just leave her to fend for herself in that floating space village?

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Didn't

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She stay in the village so the older version of her could meet the kid version of herself at that rip in time? Or am i missing something

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[mothman]

What happened to...

Spoiler alert

... the little girl from last week's episode? Have I missed something? Did Yaz, Dan and Jericho just leave her to fend for herself in that floating space village?

[close]

Well...

They presumably didn't just leave her in the village, as there was nobody left. I guess they decided going round the world with a child in tow wasn't a good idea and found her a foster home. But they could at least have mentioned it!

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Mind you

What about everyone else who vanished from the village in 1967? Did they all go back to 1901 too? Or did they all get double-Angelled and vaporised like her grandparents?

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Didn't

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She stay in the village so the older version of her could meet the kid version of herself at that rip in time? Or am i missing something

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I think the villagers in 1967 said she'd only recently moved to the village so presumably spent the intervening decades elsewhere.

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[bobloblaw]

Does the fact they are husband and wife make it less dreadful?  It's not the Doctor and Amy, as previously claimed, and it's not a stranger perving over the companion which is another way it would be creepy.

It's definitely in the nature of the Comic Relief sketches to be more saucy. There's another one where Matt's doc does a sex thrust at a nurse (possibly a Call the Midwife one, I forget)

Understandable even if in questionable taste for a Who sketch for a family audience. Easy to separate from the main show

[Natnar]

Well...

They presumably didn't just leave her in the village, as there was nobody left. I guess they decided going round the world with a child in tow wasn't a good idea and found her a foster home. But they could at least have mentioned it!

[close]

Mind you

What about everyone else who vanished from the village in 1967? Did they all go back to 1901 too? Or did they all get double-Angelled and vaporised like her grandparents?

[close]

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I think the villagers in 1967 said she'd only recently moved to the village so presumably spent the intervening decades elsewhere.

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Ah so i assume that

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Yaz and company must have moved her somewhere else. I think the older version of the kid said something about remembering what happened next or something.

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[Ballad of Ballard Berkley]

Well...

They presumably didn't just leave her in the village, as there was nobody left. I guess they decided going round the world with a child in tow wasn't a good idea and found her a foster home. But they could at least have mentioned it!

[close]

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Exactly. Just a throwaway line to explain why she wasn't there. That would do, Chris. It would suffice.

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[BritishHobo]

Great example of the barebones way he does timey-wimey stuff. Clearly he liked the idea of

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the girl meeting an elderly version of herself who has had to live the intervening years. But as soon as he'd carried that idea out he immediately dropped it and moved on. Same with Claire knowing the Doctor before they've met. Just seem to be there to appear like clever time-travel plotting rather than actually being clever.

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[Cloud]

Well that was entertaining enough.  Honestly seems the Chibnall era and JW are starting to get watchable just in time for it to end!

Not really sure what's going on with UNIT or what Snape is up to. Nice to see Kate though.

Bit of an unceremonious end to such a big character like Tecteun. That was shit.

If there's one thing that can "save" the Timeless Child bollocks, it's if the Doctor turns around and says "I don't want those other memories, because they don't matter, I was born when I remember and always knew I would be and chose to be the Doctor".  It'd give her a legitimate "birth" as the Hartnell Doctor because that's when the identity was created while passing off the past ones as like having been reincarnated and basically forgetting about them.  It'd strengthen the idea that the Doctor is who she chooses to be.
I don't know where Ruth would fit into that and don't particularly care. The 2.5 theory will do.

[Mister Six]

I'm so sorry about this, but... NSFW.

[Natnar]

I'm so sorry about this, but... NSFW.

That just looks like a porn version of Rainbow.

[H-O-W-L]

Does the fact they are husband and wife make it less dreadful?

... Yeah, actually? I think it's fine as a moment in itself? There's lots of silly flirty/sexy moments in general between Rory and Amy in S5/6/7(?) But in context of the show it is a bit too much, yeah.

[olliebean]

An odd scene. I found it quite amusing, Chibnall wrote some jokes that actually landed for once. The actor playing the hermit displayed some decent comic timing. But yeah, the whole thing was quite dodgy. It felt like he was trying to write a Python-esque bit of comedy, and he sort of pulled it off on a very basic level. While at the same time coming across as a bit racist.

Entirely unintentional, I'm sure, but Chris Chibnall is not a man who puts a great deal of thought into his work.

I was way more bothered by the "Refugees are coming to take over your planet" bit.

[BritishHobo]

Fuck, I missed that. What a weird, weird, awful thing to put in.

I was baffled by the hermit, to be honest. I love daftness, but it felt like it was out of a completely different show.

[The Guppy]

If the Division could manipulate the Doctor into helping a rogue Angel, why did they even need the Flux? Just do that bit and skip the expensive, universe-ending part of the plan.

[olliebean]

The implication seemed to be that the actions of the Doctor have somehow polluted this universe so much that it has to be ended. It doesn't really hold together, there's no detail of exactly what the Doctor is supposed to have done that is so bad (and presumably we won't be getting any now that Tecteun's been Swarmed).

Saw a review claiming to be surprised that Tecteun turned out to be a bad-un, as if having tortured and killed the Timeless Child many times over wasn't a bit of a clue.

[thr0b]

I was way more bothered by the "Refugees are coming to take over your planet" bit.

I didn't take it as remotely relating to refugees. It was quite clear that they were referring to warmongers, rather than people looking to settle/for help.

[BritishHobo]

The implication seemed to be that the actions of the Doctor have somehow polluted this universe so much that it has to be ended. It doesn't really hold together, there's no detail of exactly what the Doctor is supposed to have done that is so bad (and presumably we won't be getting any now that Tecteun's been Swarmed).

Saw a review claiming to be surprised that Tecteun turned out to be a bad-un, as if having tortured and killed the Timeless Child many times over wasn't a bit of a clue.

It always surprises me when I see people reacting to Chibnall characters like characters they're invested in, rather than templates. I just can't get there. The idea of someone having been so interested in Tecteun that they could be shocked by the reveal of her motivations is proper alien to me. "I always loved Tecteun, I can't believe this!"

[Cloud]

Slightly repeating myself and I know it won't happen and will probably be made impossible in the next episode, but I'm really enjoying my headcanon of the Ruth Doctor being 2.5 after all and eventually speaking up about "just before I looked like this I was some guy obsessed with playing the recorder" and helping to confirm that "The Doctor" was only the identity she chose in THIS SET of lifetimes.  It wouldn't completely do away with the Timeless Child shit, which is pretty much impossible now, but it'd help relegitimise the story of Doctor Who has having started with Hartnell's Doctor when the identity was chosen, make all the past lives irrelevant and re-introduce an air of mystery.

More likely he'll give her the memories back, solidify all the TC shite and add a fuckton of past Doctors for Big Finish to have fun with, and probably even reveal the Doctor's real name as one last "fuck you" to the character's mystery, but one can hope.