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Started by Stigdu, July 02, 2022, 08:30:19 PM
Quote from: Martin Van Buren Stan on July 03, 2022, 08:25:30 AMDoes anyone think they're doing this because they care about trans people?
Quote from: Martin Van Buren Stan on July 03, 2022, 08:25:30 AMDoes anyone think they're doing this because they care about trans people? It's obviously for money. Banks don't care about your human rights, stop deluding yourselves
Quote from: Martin Van Buren Stan on July 03, 2022, 09:37:03 AMNobody said it's bad but it's a good thing done by an evil corporation for pr reasons.
Quote from: Martin Van Buren Stan on July 03, 2022, 09:42:03 AM@trentercenter I think some trans people like it when cis people wear pronouns badges as it normalises the whole thing and makes them feel less weird doing it. Though if pronouns badges are ubiquitous it could be putting pressure on trans people to "come out" when they're not ready, as they don't want to be the only ones not wearing them
Quote from: TrenterPercenter on July 03, 2022, 09:34:54 AMI'm going to stick my neck out here on CaB and say."This is a good thing and people complaining are dickheads"I have a question though. Loads of people I work with, especially younger and forward facing staff have pronouns on their email profile etc... (though the vast majority are cis people). I don't put pronouns on any of my contacts, because I couldn't give a shit what gender someone referred to me as (I'm not saying I don't give shit about what other people call themselves but I'm not in that situation), sometimes however it feels like I should do (put a pronoun on) because other people are, but I don't want to as I don't really want to draw attention to something I don't see as important (for me) what is the etiquette around this?Secondly this got me thinking, as far as I've seen, this seems to always be a conversation around non-binary folk highlighting their preferred pronoun, when it could also be useful for people that cis but just have names that are gender fluid i.e. Sam.
Quote from: Martin Van Buren Stan on July 03, 2022, 09:42:03 AMAmazon donated 10 million to BLM. Now I'm sure all the people who benefited from that money were grateful but do we have to celebrate Amazon now?
Quote from: Zetetic on July 03, 2022, 09:51:50 AMThere are obvious horrible consequences for norming any requirement to endorse a preferred gender identity.It's fine leave it off and fine to add it to signatures and so on. Same if you're including "pronouns" in introductions - try to make it clear that people don't have to do that bit.
Quote from: Zetetic on July 03, 2022, 09:55:19 AM@dontpaintyourteeth If you're in a place where it's not already widespread, then you might be able to argue that it's exclusively "good".Otherwise you're likely contributing towards forcing people who don't really want to endorse a particular gender identity as something that they're comfortable with, to do so.
Quote from: Dr Rock on July 03, 2022, 10:14:42 AMI was trying to imagine a bank scenario also. Maybe if you spoke to a second person (doesn't happen often) and you wanted to say 'he/she told me to join this line' or something. But you could easily avoid that, say 'the person I was just talking to told me'
Quote from: Shaxberd on July 03, 2022, 10:09:22 AMIt's occurred to me that people do a very similar thing with titles, ie. indicating gender and maybe other roles with something other than your name.If it's 'compelled speech' to use someone's preferred pronouns, does the same apply to referring to a married woman as "Mrs"?Also yeah others got to it first but if you don't want to put pronouns on stuff, don't, it's ok. A lot of people at my workplace do but I don't - I'm trans, my colleagues don't know because I transitioned ages ago and it's none of their business, I'd rather not stick my neck out because it's nice being able to take it for granted now.
Quote from: Dr Rock on July 03, 2022, 11:14:45 AMThere is/was 'Ms'. I don't remember any nutjobs crying about 'compelled speech' then.
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