This Clapham Chemical Attack Thing

[druss]

My partner has just taken a first aid class for work. The paramedic told her they treat acid attack victims several times a week in London. It's far more common than we're led to believe. That's a bit terrifying.

Crazy as I know this sounds, I wonder whether strong acid and alkaline substances should be harder to obtain. 

[iamcoop]

Crazy as I know this sounds, I wonder whether strong acid and alkaline substances should be harder to obtain. 

I did think that it's nuts how you can just seemingly go into B&Q and buy a bottle of something you can melt someone's face off with, and then I remembered you can just go and buy a kitchen knife from any hardware shops as well.

Not really sure how you'd enforce something like that

[horse_renoir]

I did think that it's nuts how you can just seemingly go into B&Q and buy a bottle of something you can melt someone's face off with, and then I remembered you can just go and buy a kitchen knife from any hardware shops as well.

Not really sure how you'd enforce something like that

The government maintains records of people who use industrial/research level chemicals - there are various lists for things like 'having access to precursor components of chemical weapons' etc.
I'm very frequently stopped at airports for extra swabbing etc. which I suspect is related to this (Professional Chemical User).

This guy has specifically chosen to use a chemical to do harm in a situation where it would be a handicap compared to using a knife or even fists. I assume that this choice has a cultural/societal reason (cause disfigurement?) so I guess it would be preferable to investigate this from a cultural aspect, rather than legislation against acids/bases.

[iamcoop]

I assume that this choice has a cultural/societal reason (cause disfigurement?)

I don't think disfigurement is something that's particularly associated with Geordies to be honest. They're pretty sound on the whole

[superthunderstingcar]

The only thing that can stop a bad guy with an acid is a good guy with an alkaline.

[druss]

I did think that it's nuts how you can just seemingly go into B&Q and buy a bottle of something you can melt someone's face off with, and then I remembered you can just go and buy a kitchen knife from any hardware shops as well.

Not really sure how you'd enforce something like that

I did consider that but I don't think it's equivocal, would much rather be stabbed than have a face full of acid. Yes, you could disfigure someone with a knife too but no where near as easily as just chucking some fluid at someone.

[Milo]

The alkaline substance could be drain unblocker. Difficult to ban that.

[touchingcloth]

The only thing that can stop a bad guy with an acid is a good guy with an alkaline.

Or a good guy with a thick arse - it's all about that base. It will neutralise the attack, but unfortunately it will still result in assault plus water.

[Kankurette]

I don't think disfigurement is something that's particularly associated with Geordies to be honest. They're pretty sound on the whole

Eddie Howe leaves thread disappointed.

[dissolute ocelot]

I did consider that but I don't think it's equivocal, would much rather be stabbed than have a face full of acid. Yes, you could disfigure someone with a knife too but no where near as easily as just chucking some fluid at someone.

Disadvantage of throwing acid at someone seems to be that it's likely to splash back and fuck up your face as well.

Although then you can go live in the sewers and fall in love with an opera singer and Andrew Lloyd-Webber will write a musical about you, as seems to have happened in this case.

[Icehaven]

I know of someone getting violently assaulted in the entrance to probably the biggest and busiest pub in Birmingham a few weeks before Christmas, and the police were apparently unable to obtain any useful CCTV of the incident from either the pub or the council's CCTV system despite there being visible cameras in the street right outside.
Then this story came out last week;
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/city-centre-cctv-safety-fears-28535271#:~:text=It%20was%20claimed%20a%20technical,was%20blamed%20for%20the%20problem.

about 90% of the city centre's CCTV system being turned off for an entire weekend in January due to a "glitch" or something, which doesn't really come as a surprise. CCTV apparently played a major part in quickly catching the men who stabbed a kid outside the council house a few weeks ago though, so it's good to know it's working there so at least the councillors will be safe, phew!

[imitationleather]

Everyone should have their own personal CCTV camera pointing at them, hanging off an attachment on their head. Sorted.

[PaoloTramezzani]

Where is the proof anyone is Christian?

Show them you're cross.

[Inspector Norse]

Where is the proof anyone is Christian?

Would assume Messrs Bale, Slater and Eriksen could produce written affidavits

[TrenterPercenter]

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/city-centre-cctv-safety-fears-28535271#:~:text=It%20was%20claimed%20a%20technical,was%20blamed%20for%20the%20problem.

Jeez, a 17 year old getting stabbed to death by a 15 year old.  Things are only going to get worse as well essentially Birmingham is fucked until end of 2025.  I think the plan is to go for short sharp reduction in funding across the board to sort out the financial issues, but it means loads of stuff service wise is going.

[Indomitable Spirit]

"Now Mr Ezedi, I'm afraid your asylum application has been declined due to your recent conviction for sexual assau... wait, is that a bible?"

[TrenterPercenter]

Would assume Messrs Bale, Slater and Eriksen could produce written affidavits

Don't forget Terry

[dontpaintyourteeth]

and Sister

[ProvanFan]

Except, what's the evidence that he is actually Christian now?

Millennium Prayer ringtone

[Kankurette]

The only thing that can stop a bad guy with an acid is a good guy with an alkaline.

Based.

[Mister Six]

All this talk of acid attacks puts the willies up me. I'm with druss: a good stabbing, please.

Hit different in 2002, it was playful and half-reassuringly half-jokingly state-paternal back then.

http://markthomasillustration.co.uk/

I dunno, that's right around the post-9/11 Patriot Act/MI5 listening in on your phone calls brouhaha. Fuck knows what they were thinking.

[Zero Gravitas]

Nah, still think it was playful, the cyclical reveal of the evils of intelligence agencies wasn't rising again until bugging of the UN when they needed to put pressure on them for Iraq in 2003, I'd still see this as retro styled tongue in cheek.

[Mister Six]

It's definitely playful, I just think it's tonally weird. The Patriot Act and outcry against it (and concerns that something similar would happen in the UK) were massive at the time. Didn't have to wait till 2003 for people to be up in arms about that.

[touchingcloth]

Always lol when I remember that it's not the USA Patriot Act, but the USA PATRIOT Act, and lol again when I remember that the "USA" in it doesn't stand for "United States of America".

[Ambient Sheep]

The only thing that can stop a bad guy with an acid is a good guy with an alkaline.

Based.

Very good!  I like that...

[Jittlebags]

Cunt's jumped into the Thames.

No Shit Sherlock

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-68255937

[touchingcloth]

Based.

Very good!  I like that...

Is this thing on?

Or a good guy with a thick arse - it's all about that base. It will neutralise the attack, but unfortunately it will still result in assault plus water.

What do you mean "not pithy enough"?

[Endicott]

Is this thing on?

Hello?

[touchingcloth]

Hello?

Oh, why's that th...hi? Hello? Yes...hi. Hi? Can you hear me?

[Russ L]

Disadvantage of throwing acid at someone seems to be that it's likely to splash back and fuck up your face as well.

Is it not usually done with squeazy bottles, though? Presumably mainly to avoid having to deal with Lloyd-Webber.

I agree wi th the general consensus:

Stabbed in the face - cool scar
Burned in the face - unfashionable redness