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[biggytitbo]

mmmhhtt hmmmllkllyyy mhhhttttss!

[gmoney]

Fix your fucking keyboard![nb]Apologies if you're using voice recognition typing software and you're wearing a gag[/nb]

[mook]

finally titbo posts something that isn't ill-informed tosh.

[Zetetic]

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[BlodwynPig]

Biggy getting closer to solving the Taman Shud case

[biggytitbo]

finally titbo posts something that isn't ill-informed tosh.

Bit obvious.

[biggytitbo]

It's worn off now, just had quite an unpleasent dental extraction although I'm going to delight in telling people the gory details.

[mook]

if they didn't go via your arse i ain't interested.

[Default to the negative]

just had quite an unpleasent dental extraction although I'm going to delight in telling people the gory details.

You airlifted some dentists out of a warzone in a Black Hawk Down kind of scenario?

[Aki Kaurismäki]

[Clatty McCutcheon]

Biggytitbo, earlier today:

[gmoney]

My freebie expert advice is don't get dry socket. *wink* No need to thank.

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[biggytitbo]

It was a bad one because it was a broken tooth and there wasnt enough showing to get it out normally...so he had use what looked like a carpenters tool and went in from the sides. Took him a while to dig it out so the surrounding area isnt pretty.


Didn't even get a badge or anything, all I got afterwards was a bill. odd that people keep going on about backdoor privatization of the NHS, when a huge chunk of it already is essentially private.

[Zetetic]

Not really. Dentists and GPs do differ rather significantly from Secondary Care and so on, and so does the nature of the contracting. (Some might argue that there's greater scope for personal choice in these services.)

Furthermore it's not as though everyone's that happy with stuff like the QOF and that it's now nighon impossible to GPs to do anything novel without paying them another 'incentive'.

[BlodwynPig]

Nearly 20 quid for 3 minutes with a dentist to say my teeth were perfect. Oh for an abcess!

[biggytitbo]

What do you mean not really?


If you don't qualify for free treatment then its essentially private isnt it?

[monkfromhavana]

To be honest that sounds like 5 star treatment to me. Few years back i had a tooth out at the dental hospital in brum (totally free as it's with students n'all that). The dentist took my tooth out and 5 mins later kicked me out on to the street with blood still pouring from my mouth, unable to speak..

He didn't even fiddle with me whilst with me whilst i was under local anaesthetic, which makes me think that the standards in dentistry in the country are falling rapidly.

[Zetetic]

^^
They're private contractors (GPs and dentists), but the contract being determined at the national level makes it rather different to the sort of privatisation being warned against. (Along with 'choice' making marginally more sense with dentists and GPs than other aspects of healthcare.)

Regarding dental (or prescription in England) charges - they're really more demonstrative of the socializing of healthcare costs rather than dentists or pharmacies being private concerns, aren't they? There's no competition on price for example between providers. (The existence of the charges at all is a rather larger discussion.)

[shiftwork2]

If you don't qualify for free treatment then its essentially private isnt it?

LOL.  A root canal and gold crown cost me £209 with an NHS dentist last year.  Done privately you would multiply that figure by 6 or 7.

[monkfromhavana]

I thank that about £250 is the maximum you'll pay for any dental work done by the NHS over the course of a year. So if you need to have 10 root canals, 10 extractions, it wil only set you back £250.

[biggytitbo]

Mine wasn't anything fancy or cosmetic, just a filling and a surgical extraction, which cost me £180, because like most people I don't qualify for free treatment. That to me doesn't sound like the NHS people mythologize.

[mook]

Mine wasn't anything fancy or cosmetic, just a filling and a surgical extraction, which cost me £180, because like most people I don't qualify for free treatment. That to me doesn't sound like the NHS people mythologize.

but if you had a head full of teeth like a row of bombed out houses you would only have payed £250 for the whole treatment. that's how it works isn't it?

[biggytitbo]

I thank that about £250 is the maximum you'll pay for any dental work done by the NHS over the course of a year. So if you need to have 10 root canals, 10 extractions, it wil only set you back £250.

Really?

[biggytitbo]

but if you had a head full of teeth like a row of bombed out houses you would only have payed £250 for the whole treatment. that's how it works isn't it?

But thats per 'round' of treatment right? If you have another round of treatment you pay again?


And this presumes you can find an NHS dentist at all.

[Zetetic]

That to me doesn't sound like the NHS people mythologize.

Perhaps not, and I'd agree that dental charges should be considerably lower through greater subsidy (and I was actually less bothered by prescription charges when I lived in England), but I think you're conflating privatisation and 'free (at the point of access)' or not.

[Zetetic]

But thats per 'round' of treatment right? If you have another round of treatment you pay again?

You're covered for rounds for 3 months at a time I think.

And this presumes you can find an NHS dentist at all.

Come back with those goalposts.

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[gmoney]

Mine wasn't anything fancy or cosmetic, just a filling and a surgical extraction, which cost me £180, because like most people I don't qualify for free treatment. That to me doesn't sound like the NHS people mythologize.

Your dentist must have added some cheeky charges as well then. A filling and extraction on the NHS should be £96. Unless you're not counting something else?

[SetToStun]

I couldn't get registered with an NHS dentist where I live. Last Friday I had three extractions. It took 25 minutes start to finish and cost me £450. I would love to have my dentist's apparent hourly rate!