Final Fantasy 7 - Remake

[Cerys]

Play nice, you two, or Auntie Cerys will smack.

[Dewt]

ah fuck him I'll just overrule him by being naturally superior

[Thursday]

More mixed feelings on this currently - some of the new additions like that mission for Jessie and some of the sidequests, while not brilliantly written add depth to the world and characters so I can see the value in it. In other things though, it just makes them longer. You seem to spend hours running around walkways to get to the Sector 5 reactor - and then a long time after having set the bomb to get to the Air buster fight.

After the Don Corneo encounter, the sewer is extended and the train graveyard is massively extended with a bit of a weird ghost plot. There's little moments of character interaction along the way that are nice, but mostly it's just a case of everything in it takes a lot longer because there's more fights.

I think I'm a bit shit at the game because every boss fight seems to be taking ages.  There was a boss fight that killed me when he was really low on health and it had taken ages to get there, so I set it down to easy on the 2nd time. It's not even that the fights are that hard, just massively drawn out as you slowly chip away at their health bars. The system means it's more reliant on exploiting their weaknesses... which means you're at a huge advantage if you just say - equip everyone with bolt magic for a fight beforehand, but you're not going to know that until you get into the fight. Part of the problem is you've got so much more materia to play around with, but not really the slots to equip them.

It also just seems very difficult to recover when someone dies because if someone's dead and someone's low on health then you can't just rely on your atb bar filling (well it does but very very slowly) you need to do some attacks to fill it up which is the last thing you should be doing when low on health and need to recover. I feel like dodging attacks should be more viable, but most things seems to have ridiculous tracking. Maybe that's just me not being able to get my head around the hybrid system.

Also I know it's pretty much standard in JRPG's but having characters repeatedly shout out stupid anime battle phrases get's infuriating. Began to hate Aerith and changed her setup because of the way she'd repeatedly shout out "Feeling Chilly?!" every time she uses blizzard. Obviously there's other annoying variants though.

[bgmnts]

They couldn't talk in the original
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Original 1
Remake 0

[Thursday]

The fight with Reno on the pillar was fun though, and the handling of the plate crashing down, has been good as you're seeing more of the impact it's had on the world.

[Cloud]

More mixed feelings on this currently - some of the new additions like that mission for Jessie and some of the sidequests, while not brilliantly written add depth to the world and characters so I can see the value in it. In other things though, it just makes them longer. You seem to spend hours running around walkways to get to the Sector 5 reactor - and then a long time after having set the bomb to get to the Air buster fight.

Yeah got to admit the sector 5 reactor bit was painfully tedious. Especially if like me you kept trying to find the secrets and then giving up and finding you could get them in a fairly signposted way towards the end of the section.

Or the bit on the railway tracks - I had a vague memory from the original (played it many times but not recently) of getting a secret materia by running the wrong way.  Not this time - eventually you get yelled at and turned around except for this one time when Barret lets you run for miles and miles and eventually you do a big circle and end up back where you were before you went the wrong way. This so far is a game that rarely rewards you for diversions!

[tourism]

you might even give Jessie something to live up to

hey now

[Pseudopath]

Just been watching some streams of this on YouTube. They've turned it into a fucking soap opera.

[Consignia]

Just been watching some streams of this on YouTube. They've turned it into a fucking soap opera.

I watched the ending, as I didn't care for the gameplay in the demo so wasn't really all that interested in playing it. I don't really mind what they do as although the original was and still is one of my favourite games and whatever this is doesn't change that. It's also why I have a passing interest in it despite it not appealing any point of the PR, and over a decade of the Compilation nonsense. However they've done to story (although I believe it's only towards the end) is exactly what I don't want.

I may get it at some point, if it ends up at bargain bin prices. But my interest in it has well been and truly exhausted.

[Dewt]

Just been watching some streams of this on YouTube. They've turned it into a fucking soap opera.

Careful mate we're not allowed that kind of talk around here

[Cloud]

I mean, I'd find a thread where people are trying to share their enjoyment of something and shit it up with post after post bitching about it and telling everyone why they shouldn't like it because it's "shit for cunts" but then finding a thread where anyone actually enjoys anything in this forum of cynical whinging bastards is like trying to find a braincell at a football match.

[chveik]

actually the atmosphere in the football thread can be quite positive at times

[Dewt]

I mean, I'd find a thread where people are trying to share their enjoyment of something and shit it up with post after post bitching about it and telling everyone why they shouldn't like it because it's "shit for cunts" but then finding a thread where anyone actually enjoys anything in this forum of cynical whinging bastards is like trying to find a braincell at a football match.

What you actually did was completely shit the thread up by not reading the situation properly and realising that people are really passionate about games and a huge part of that love is highlighting the good and bad things.

This thread is obviously not just "a thread where people are trying to share their enjoyment of something". That's a specialist thing. Go create that thread, put "positivity only please" in the title and then watch it die because it's boring.

You can't read the room and you're ruining this entire subforum because of it.

Honestly genuinely mad online about something for once. I don't get to talk about FF7 remake's music because of your entitlement.

[Urinal Cake]

After watching a few playthroughs, I'm going to wait for it to hit the discount bin. There are a lot of positives but it really should be seen as it's own thing.

[popcorn]

Fucken hell Dewt, chill out man. Of all the dumping people take on each other in this subforum yours was pretty light I think, it even had a cheery emoji. I think we're possibly all going to have get a bit better at putting up with other people in this technoforum, myself included.

[Dewt]

It's an ongoing thing, popcorn. Not isolated to this thread. Cloud genuinely thinks his role here is going to involve shutting down people for not saying what he wants to hear.

[Thursday]

I think just linking to the songs and saying "nope" isn't great posting content though tbh.

Not sure I  quite get the soap opera comment.

Was hoping to have a thread full of people who were playing it, not just listening to bits of the soundtrack or watching streams.

[Dewt]

I think just linking to the songs and saying "nope" isn't great posting content though tbh.

Like there wasn't any content around that you disingenuous tit. Absolutely fuck off you Bad Influence "boys gave it a 4 and the girls also gave it a 4" dopes.

This is why people don't post here

Was hoping to have a thread full of people who were playing it, not just listening to bits of the soundtrack or watching streams.

THEN CREATE A THREAD WITH THOSE SPECIFIC, SPECIALIST CONDITIONS. It is actually fine and welcome and good to discuss FF7's music. That is a huge part of it. It doesn't require you policing the thread you can just not engage with it

[Thursday]

Absolutely fuck off you Bad Influence "boys gave it a 4 and the girls also gave it a 4" dopes.

I don't know what that means, I'm sorry.

[Cloud]

It's an ongoing thing, popcorn. Not isolated to this thread. Cloud genuinely thinks his role here is going to involve shutting down people for not saying what he wants to hear.

Protip: I'm not a moderator.  Me saying in a relatively light-hearted but admittedly exasperated manner that you should stop spamming the thread with whinging isn't censorship.  You can actually say what you want, just as I have the right to voice irritation at it.

[Sin Agog]

Honestly genuinely mad online about something for once. I don't get to talk about FF7 remake's music because of your entitlement.

The remake of the Main Menu theme is OK, but it's always been a void-fillingly simple up-and-down the scale affair that's hard to mess up.  Everything else from the demo sounded like a big ol' sludgy over-orchestrated unmemorable mess.  They completely Dr. Who'd what I'd heard by adding all these stodgy counter-melodies that drowned out the main hooks.  Sometimes a song only needs one or two instruments to be perfect.  It feels to me like Square's philosophy was adding more because they have the budget for it, not because it needs it, and this applies to the entire game and not just the music.  Felt no magic whatsoever from that demo so doubt I'll be playing this any time soon.  Not that I can afford it anyway.  I don't think I have too many preconceptions. You just know magic when you see it, and I didn't.

[Dewt]

Protip: I'm not a moderator.  Me saying in a relatively light-hearted but admittedly exasperated manner that you should stop spamming the thread with whinging isn't censorship.  You can actually say what you want, just as I have the right to voice irritation at it.

It's a conversation killer to have you neg every discussion that has any lows in it.

You're not a moderator, so stop doing anything that looks like moderating, ever again. People want to talk about the highs and lows of games. It's nice to have that outlet when there's fuck all else available to do socially at the moment. You characterising it as mindless negativity is rude, because it's so fucking wrong.

The remake of the Main Menu theme is OK, but it's always been a void-fillingly simple up-and-down the scale affair that's hard to mess up.  Everything else from the demo sounded like a big ol' sludgy over-orchestrated unmemorable mess.  They completely Dr. Who'd what I'd heard by adding all these stodgy counter-melodies that drowned out the main hooks.  Sometimes a song only needs one or two instruments to be perfect.  It feels to me like Square's philosophy was adding more because they have the budget for it, not because it needs it, and this applies to the entire game and not just the music.  Felt no magic whatsoever from that demo so doubt I'll be playing this any time soon.  Not that I can afford it anyway.  I don't think I have too many preconceptions. You just know magic when you see it, and I didn't.

It's the old limitations enabling creativity/"Ren and Stimpy was crap when they were allowed to do an adult version" kind of thing again, I guess. I would really like a remake of the soundtrack that is faithful to the original instruments but with better dynamic range and mastering.

[Thursday]

Look I wasn't trying to police the thread, obviously you can discuss it how you want. I'm sorry, I can see how it came across that way.

[Cloud]

You're not a moderator, so stop doing anything that looks like moderating, ever again.

I love the irony of thinking you can tell me what to do here!  Pot, kettle etc...

Have you considered the ignore script if my comments trigger you that much?

[Dewt]

Yeah you can't moderate here that's not controversial

[Cerys]

Or the bit on the railway tracks - I had a vague memory from the original (played it many times but not recently) of getting a secret materia by running the wrong way.

Only when you return to Midgar later in the game.  If you do it when you're first there you find a neverending series of grunts that emerges from a doorway.

[Cloud]

Only when you return to Midgar later in the game.  If you do it when you're first there you find a neverending series of grunts that emerges from a doorway.

Ah yeah when you parachute in

W-Item so that you can cheat for all the greens for the golden chocobo IIRC

[Cerys]

I think so - but if I use the W-Item cheat it's usually so I can amass elixirs to feed to the Magic Pots, the AP-bestowing little scamps.

[Cloud]

Ah I look forward to seeing if the magic pots are the same in erm.... (Let's see, Midgar is about 1/20th of the original game, Wutai will probably be a 3 parter itself with its increased significance in the remake, each one about 3-5 years to make so...) About 60-100 years :D

[Obel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sD2slbOz0Xk

Nope.

Sorry buddy, you're wrong on this one. The only thing they got wrong about it was putting the voices in there, otherwise it's basically a perfect adaption of what was obviously a dub tune in the first place. I'm actually astonished they got it so right, it's pretty much what I would have imagined the track would have sounded like if the technology was there originally. Not being used at Wall Market though? Absolute shocker.