Starmer's Labour: Ghouls and Tools on the Ship of Fools

[Sebastian Cobb]

A* Uninteresting Britain for All

'Slogans? Or changing lives?'

[BlodwynPig]

'Slogans? Or changing lives?'

We've sleepwalked into dystopia...and there is no Thunderdome, just rictus grins, the faint smell of suede loafer, and pressed trousers.

[Fambo Number Mive]

Welcome in Labour - a literal Tory MP

Not welcome in Labour - someone who tweeted in support of the Green Party a few years ago.

A woman has been been banned from voting in the Labour leadership election on the grounds that she "tweeted in support of the Green Party" over a year ago.

Sophie McKeand, a Jeremy Corbyn supporter from Wales, received a letter stating that the panel of the National Executive Committee (NEC) had decided to reject her membership application because of a tweet she posted on 8 May 2015.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/labour-leadership-woman-jeremy-corbyn-sophie-mcknead-supporter-tweeted-green-party-a7217376.html

[olliebean]

The fuck? I can see the logic (although I don't agree with it) of chucking someone out because they supported another party whilst being a member, but rejecting a new member because they previously supported another party? Makes no fucking sense at all. Are people not allowed to ever change their minds? (Wakeford was, evidently.)

[Buelligan]

It's about the logic of power, old sport.  They don't give a fuck about principle - tweeting support for Greens once is hugely worse than actively voting to remove the £20 uplift to Universal Credit and free school meals.

Why is it worse?  Because the Green-tweeter supported Corbyn (socialist ideas).  Wakeford isn't likely to do that.

This is the fucking Labour Party.

[Fambo Number Mive]

Apologies, I've just noticed the story I posted was from 2016. Although I think it's still relevant as to how the Labour machine tries to keep out progressives.

[Buelligan]

2016 was a time when people in Labour's Governance and Legal Unit - people like The Cunt Emily Oldknow - were spending their highly-paid days "trot hunting" and gerrymandering in the run up to the Chicken Coup leadership election (remember Owen Smith and his penis) and then working to throw the 2017 General Election.

That was absolutely a time when those supporting Starmer's master's plans for the Labour Party were setting the rules on who was welcome.

[Johnny Yesno]

Apologies, I've just noticed the story I posted was from 2016. Although I think it's still relevant as to how the Labour machine tries to keep out progressives.

Mark Steel was also barred from joining Labour in 2016 because of his support for the SWP nearly a decade previously:

https://insidecroydon.com/2016/09/10/no-joke-croydon-comedian-steel-reads-the-bans-for-labour/

That article has quotes from this article he wrote in the Independent, where he mentions this:

another member was banned for writing on Twitter "I f**king love the Foo Fighters".

He also nailed the insane logic behind another ban:

One Labour member was banned for 'liking' a tweet that supported Green Party policy on fracking, which suggests at no point must you have ever supported anything ever proposed by another party.

So to clarify, to be allowed to vote you have to support any idea said by someone in your party, as long as it's not from the leader of your party, but have to disagree with anything ever said by the Green Party. This means Green Party leader Caroline Lucas could advocate voting Labour, then anyone in the Labour Party who voted Labour would be banned from the Labour Party for supporting a Green Party policy and Labour would be forced to disappear under Labour Party rules.

[king_tubby]

Ironically, Mark 'I luv u Marina' Steel would now be welcome with opened arms.

[Sebastian Cobb]

Mark Steel said Redditch was nice the other day so it's safe to say his brain has rotted away completely.

[BlodwynPig]

Corbyn guilty by association again after being photographed with another radikal anti-semite

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60130366

Will these bleeding heart progressives never learn!!

[idunnosomename]

Crobs still unwhipped after Labour NEC vote on readmitting him, 23 against to 14 for

Nb 42 on NEC and sirkier and Rayner werent there

https://labour.org.uk/about/how-we-work/national-executive-committee/whos-on-the-nec/

[pancreas]

Didn't Kieth claim it was a matter for him personally to decide who has the whip as members of the PLP?

Not that it matters. Why won't Corbyn for fucks sake start his own party.

[jobotic]

In what capacity is Akehurst (and Pidcock and the others for that matter) on there? Who do they represent?

Sorry if its a stupid question, I don't know how it works.

[pancreas]

NEC is quite large. Many ex officio positions, like the General Sec, who is appointed by the leader, as I understand; also Party Leader and Deputy. Councillors are represented somehow, probably elected by other councillors. The PLP is represented also; I think they elect their rep(s). All the big unions have representation which they decide through their own internal processes. And then there are member-elected people, something like 10, including rep(s)? from Young Labour. Elections were FPTP but were changed to STV by Evans when he realised it would be easier to get a few RW people on it. Akehurst and Pidcock were both elected through this system.

[idunnosomename]

I don't know how it works.

that's the point you bloody plebeian!!!

[idunnosomename]

PIDCOCK GIVEN UP ON THE SHITSHOW

https://twitter.com/LauraPidcock/status/1486390792692408321

[Buelligan]

When there is so much devastation caused by this Government and the economic system we live under, when poverty is endemic, when people are hungry, when finance capital is tightening its grip on the NHS, with a Government entrenching the hostile environment, and when the ravages of climate decay are obvious for all to see, we cannot go on, giving our energy to people who want to block fundamental positive change.

Bravo Laura, give your grace and power to turn wheels that aren't being blocked by our own leaders.

[pigamus]

*arrested development good for her gif*

[imitationleather]

Gotta love Pidcock.

[Rizla]

Grave. Grave. Grave. Grave.

[pancreas]

Pidcock, stock and two smoking barrels.

It's a well done cunt from me, Clive.

[shoulders]

No issue with her deciding she can do better with her time but regarding the statement, how do you overthrow let alone replace the status quo without confronting it?

No-one knows where to go and the only suggestion made so far is a personality cult party which goes through the same broken FPTP system which leads you right back to Pidcock's conundrum.

That's disregarding the fact that the Left are infamously petty and factionalist and even Corbyn's party will be prone to splintering because of that.

They won the levers of power within the party by directly confronting it. The objection that it is all just a bit hard makes less sense when every single alternative is vast orders harder.

[pigamus]

They won the levers of power because some patronising twats decided to nominate Corbyn out of pity, and then everybody decided it would be fucking hilarious if he actually won. I mean let's not rewrite history.

[shoulders]

They won the levers of power because some patronising twats decided to nominate Corbyn out of pity, and then everybody decided it would be fucking hilarious if he actually won. I mean let's not rewrite history.

How is that not confronting, please explain.

[olliebean]

That's disregarding the fact that the Left are infamously petty and factionalist and even Corbyn's party will be prone to splintering because of that.

The Right are just as petty and factionalist; they're just duplicitous enough to hide it better.

[chveik]

"personality cult party"

[shoulders]

"personality cult party"

This fits a 'Corbyn party' led by Corbyn that people are asking for.

[pigamus]

Oh, "It's just a cult"! Yeah, nice to see an old favourite

[Buelligan]

"personality cult party"

About as disingenuous as it gets.