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Title: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: leighhart on September 24, 2013, 09:29:43 AM
This guy takes fuckery to new heights, Zane Lowe needs a kick up the arse for indulging this buffoon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2T0fMkZoMo&feature=player_embedded

any others spring to mind?
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Post by: BlodwynPig on September 24, 2013, 10:50:05 AM
Wise words from two great minds. Wow.

Gonna get me some of those leather jogging pants.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: NoSleep on September 24, 2013, 11:41:04 AM
Paul Gambacinni can take the arse-licking, music-biz-acquiescing to extraordinary heights. He unironically celebrates the bullshit manouvres of the majors as if they are servicing the art of music supremely well and bringing the absolute best of music to us.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: leighhart on September 24, 2013, 11:47:34 AM
Paul Gambacinni can take the arse-licking, music-biz-acquiescing to extraordinary heights. He unironically celebrates the bullshit manouvres of the majors as if they are servicing the art of music supremely well and bringing the absolute best of music to us.

I enjoyed this interview of his
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSQ6ispjgnU&feature=player_detailpage
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: leighhart on September 24, 2013, 12:02:48 PM
The Offspring's guitarist, Noodles, quietly knew when the band had made it, not so much when they where invited to the MTV Awards, but when they where privy to the theatrical bonding of U2's Bono and Mick Jagger backstage.

 "We'd just finished an interview with these two blonde girls who, I don't know, do interviews because they're hot and blonde!" he laughs. "Mick Jagger and Bono walked right past us and Mick Jagger's just looking at the girls. He doesn't even see me. I mean he looks right through me at these girls and then Bono actually taps me on the shoulder and says 'Ah yes, the stairs to success, I suppose will shall have to climb them then', looking at the girls. I thought it was a great line."
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Post by: biggytitbo on September 24, 2013, 12:05:58 PM
George Harrison always came across as a whinging, miserable arsehole.


Ohh yeah I became a multimillionaire in my early 20s and was a member of the biggest band of all time...let me just endlessly moan and snipe about that for the next 40 years.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: leighhart on September 24, 2013, 12:07:30 PM
George Harrison always came across as a whinging, miserable arsehole.


Ohh yeah I became a multimillionaire in my early 20s and was a member of the biggest band of all time...let me just endlessly moan and snipe about that for the next 40 years.

to a lesser extent Id add Thom Yorke to that list
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: syntaxerror on September 24, 2013, 12:23:17 PM
Metallica. Something about louise mensch and napster. Oh, I don't know.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: holyzombiejesus on September 24, 2013, 01:21:20 PM
Jamiroquai.

Badly Drawn Boy.

Also, there's that horrible selfish cunt Dave Bulmer who owns the rights to loads of great folk albums but refuses to issue or license them, meaning that stuff like Nic Jones' early albums remain unavailable.

Oh, and also David Van Day for stealing the Bucks Fizz name from poor old Bobby G.

EDIT: I have just read that Dave Bulmer has died. RIP Dave.
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Post by: BlodwynPig on September 24, 2013, 01:24:49 PM
Five Star
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Post by: holyzombiejesus on September 24, 2013, 01:37:17 PM
Barry Hogan of ATP said

Quote
Killing Joke and the Butthole Surfers will never play ATP again, and they can both suck my balls. And you can put that in print. The Black Lips will never play again—they're assholes. They broke into a chalet and started stealing stuff

Also, a friend had dealings with that woman from Goldfrapp and, apparently, she was a cunt.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: kngen on September 24, 2013, 01:40:18 PM
The whole Greg Ginn/Black Flag court case thing has painted the man in a pretty bad light, and has shown him up to be the weird, spiky, obsessive, narky humourless cunt that most people who've worked with him know all too well, but has been pretty hidden in the public domain up until now.

I've communicated with him a couple of times - he's a very odd man.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: NoSleep on September 24, 2013, 01:53:02 PM

Oh, and also David Van Day for stealing the Bucks Fizz name from poor old Bobby G.


Although that whole episode is rather amusing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rV9fD6i-WE
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Subtle Mocking on September 24, 2013, 01:53:47 PM
As in the tags, Mike Love. There's so much wrong with that cunt I wouldn't know where to start.

I'll plump for an old CaB favourite, Jess Conrad. From biting a bit of Heinz's nose off, to threatening to cut off Frankie Howerd's ears, to being a fucking Freemason, he's an endless goodie bag of cuntitude. And with some of the worst songs ever committed to record as the cherry on top of the cunt cupcake: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGESxjqHf7E
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Dusty Gozongas on September 24, 2013, 01:57:50 PM
Dave Brock. I'm looking at you. You've changed maan.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: daf on September 24, 2013, 02:12:50 PM
I'll plump for an old CaB favourite, Jess Conrad. From biting a bit of Heinz's nose off, to threatening to cut off Frankie Howerd's ears, to being a fucking Freemason, he's an endless goodie bag of cuntitude. And with some of the worst songs ever committed to record as the cherry on top of the cunt cupcake: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGESxjqHf7E

I'll forgive Conrad anything for this -

Jess Conrad with Tanya Tenola - 'Soccer Superstar' :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHEvvpazUcI

(http://footballandmusic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/showbiz1.jpg)

I always imagine he delivers the sinister "We know who you are" line as he hides in the bushes with a flick-knife.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Subtle Mocking on September 24, 2013, 02:15:03 PM
I'll forgive Conrad anything for this -

Jess Conrad with Tanya Tenola - 'Soccer Superstar' :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_urjNkxaLz0

Ah yes, how could I forget this lyrical masterpiece?

"You're rich and famous through kicking a ball! You shine so brightly like a precious jewel!"
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: BlodwynPig on September 24, 2013, 02:24:35 PM
Dave Brock. I'm looking at you. You've changed maan.

(http://glassonyonpublicity.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/nik-turner-ex-hawkwind-a-night-of-space-ritual-medium.jpg)
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Shameless Custard on September 24, 2013, 02:24:47 PM
What makes Badly Drawn Boy a cunt, then?

First time I've ever heard that. Well, maybe a few people might have muttered it at some of his more shambolic live gigs, but that's hardly cunt-worthy. Annoying, but not cunt-worthy
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Head Gardener on September 24, 2013, 02:30:55 PM
What makes Badly Drawn Boy a cunt, then?

First time I've ever heard that. Well, maybe a few people might have muttered it at some of his more shambolic live gigs, but that's hardly cunt-worthy. Annoying, but not cunt-worthy

but he upset the CHILDREN (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2184483/Badly-Drawn-Boy-Blasted-foul-mouthed-rants-horrified-fans--including-children--moaning-bored.html)  when he last played in Northampton


Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: holyzombiejesus on September 24, 2013, 02:48:47 PM
What makes Badly Drawn Boy a cunt, then?

I know loads of people who have had dealings with him and pretty much every one of them vouches for his cuntitude. From ripping off musicians and co-writers, to kicking off at people (generally women) for the slightest reason, he's pretty horrible.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Garam on September 24, 2013, 02:50:49 PM
Watched two minutes of the Kanye West video, and he's talking about how his albums will be perceived 200 years from now. Oof.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: clingfilm portent on September 24, 2013, 03:06:40 PM
Paul Gambacinni can take the arse-licking, music-biz-acquiescing to extraordinary heights. He unironically celebrates the bullshit manouvres of the majors as if they are servicing the art of music supremely well and bringing the absolute best of music to us.

Could you point to some proof of this because I sort of like that chap.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: NoSleep on September 24, 2013, 04:23:18 PM
Almost any time I've seen him as a talking head on TV he's spouting industry-friendly bollocks. A couple of times I especially remember is explaining the strategy of every track on an album being released as a single one by one as if it was something desirable (and citing Michael Jackson as the "pioneer" of this travesty). The other was whilst commenting on some big event (not Live Aid but one of those that came after) talking about "the power of rock and roll" being "unleashed" instead of the finger-wagging, backslapping, self-promoting bollocks it actually was. He talks like pages from Music Week (who once ran an article about what a travesty it was that The Bee Gees had been ridiculed on Clive Anderson, for example).
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Famous Mortimer on September 24, 2013, 05:12:56 PM
Barry Hogan of ATP said

Also, a friend had dealings with that woman from Goldfrapp and, apparently, she was a cunt.
What did they do? I'm intrigued...I'd have thought with their herculean acid intake in the 80s, they'd have calmed down a bit now.

Also, re: Badly Drawn Boy, my mate Helen once sat next to a pre-fame BDB in a pub in Manchester, where he'd just done a show. She was pissed, and when asked if she'd liked the show, said "nah, you were fucking shit". So there's a little payback for him being a dick to others, I guess.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: 23 Daves on September 24, 2013, 06:06:17 PM
From biting a bit of Heinz's nose off....

To be fair, Heinz could have been a strong nominee on this thread as well during his lifetime.  By all accounts a bit of a cunt who thought he was a superstar and honestly believed his one minor hit should have set him up for life.  Joe Meek helped matters none by encouraging him to think this way, obviously, but by the time of his death you'd hope he'd have realised his position in the grand scheme of things. 

"He died with barely a penny to his name..." - well yes, but I'm sure members of Wang Chung wouldn't be living very well either if they'd depended solely on royalties from "Everybody Wang Chung Tonight" and occasional live performances.  And they wrote their own tunes.

Has anyone mentioned music industry mogul David Balfe yet?  You can't read about any of the bands he signed or managed without tripping over some particularly unflattering stories. 
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Gavin M on September 24, 2013, 06:17:45 PM
A friend of a friend worked with Heinz in the 80s on the railway tracks in Southampton, apparently he was generally a nice, down-to-earth chap, not like the portrayal of him seen on Telstar etc.  But he wasn't without his problems, chiefly alcohol.
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Post by: CaledonianGonzo on September 24, 2013, 06:18:02 PM
Almost any time I've seen him as a talking head on TV he's spouting industry-friendly bollocks. A couple of times I especially remember is explaining the strategy of every track on an album being released as a single one by one as if it was something desirable (and citing Michael Jackson as the "pioneer" of this travesty). The other was whilst commenting on some big event (not Live Aid but one of those that came after) talking about "the power of rock and roll" being "unleashed" instead of the finger-wagging, backslapping, self-promoting bollocks it actually was. He talks like pages from Music Week (who once ran an article about what a travesty it was that The Bee Gees had been ridiculed on Clive Anderson, for example).

Though he's probably still less of a cunt than most 1970s Radio 1 DJs.
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Post by: Tiny Poster on September 24, 2013, 06:21:23 PM
And yet still one of the biggest cunts in the industry!

I've seen him from time to time near Piccadilly Circus with his sexy young boyfriends. You go for it, Gambo!
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Post by: Mary is not amused on September 24, 2013, 06:24:46 PM
I've seen him from time to time near Piccadilly Circus with his sexy young boyfriends.

What a cunt?
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Post by: Tiny Poster on September 24, 2013, 06:32:18 PM
One of the biggest in the recording industry!
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Post by: Mary is not amused on September 24, 2013, 06:56:56 PM
One of the biggest in the recording industry!

I don't doubt it given his sexuality, age preferences, occasional sightings in crowded public places and being the subject of bafflingly immaterial anecdotes.  A stain on humanity.

I once saw Gerald Kaufman at Euston train station.  His luggage looked as though it had been purchased recently.
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Post by: Tiny Poster on September 24, 2013, 07:07:57 PM
THE BIGGEST
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Post by: Epic Bisto on September 24, 2013, 08:20:34 PM
Barry Hogan of ATP said...

I had the pleasure of supporting Dalek not long after their appearance at the same festival. Apparently, Gibby Haynes punched several people in the face for no reason that weekend, including a waitress. In fact, he and the rest of the Butthole Surfers are utter arseholes. Suing Touch & Go Records is a perfect example of their behaviour, as well as much of what ended up in the book "Our Band Could Be Your Life".

Chalk up another vote for Greg Ginn while we're at it. SST was once home to many amazing bands, now it's just Ginn's shitty jam band vanity projects. He fucked over his brother and practically every person signed to his label, he only re-formed Black Flag after having a strop over the FLAG thing. Now he's trying to sue most of the ex-members.

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Post by: biggytitbo on September 24, 2013, 11:43:05 PM
Apperently Charles Manson could be a bit of a tit at times aswell, although obviously his music makes up for that.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: El Unicornio, mang on September 25, 2013, 12:09:03 AM
I know loads of people who have had dealings with him and pretty much every one of them vouches for his cuntitude. From ripping off musicians and co-writers, to kicking off at people (generally women) for the slightest reason, he's pretty horrible.

I like his music but I've heard bad things about him too, including asking someone for a cigarette and then being shitty to them because it was menthol. Get your own cigarettes, rich bastard!
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Post by: thugler on September 25, 2013, 12:33:14 AM
This guy takes fuckery to new heights, Zane Lowe needs a kick up the arse for indulging this buffoon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2T0fMkZoMo&feature=player_embedded

any others spring to mind?

This is unbelievable! Beyond parody.
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Post by: DukeDeMondo on September 25, 2013, 01:16:31 AM
Sorry, but that Kanye West interview is fuckin' amazing. Cunt's a genre unto himself. Yeezus is amazing, and the man's genuinely hilarious. What more does anyone want? Give me some maniac spitting on about shoes and synesthesia and why it's ok to call himself a gangster but not a God, all the while interrupting his own absolutely staggering records, over a bunch of muttering cunts in matching bicycles any day.

 
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Post by: momatt on September 25, 2013, 02:04:08 AM
Could you point to some proof of this because I sort of like that chap [Paul Gambacinni].

I really don't understand at all.
He boasted about knowing all about Jimmy Savile's crimes and how he never ever said anything about it.  Until he was dead.  *slow clap*
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Post by: Thomas on September 25, 2013, 09:16:03 AM
Here, Paul gets rather angry that journalists of the day didn't act on their knowledge of Savile's crimes, and then defends his own inaction.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P--EIek-2OY
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Post by: Tiny Poster on September 25, 2013, 09:20:03 AM
This guy takes fuckery to new heights, Zane Lowe needs a kick up the arse for indulging this buffoon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2T0fMkZoMo&feature=player_embedded (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2T0fMkZoMo&feature=player_embedded)

any others spring to mind?

Zane Lowe is the cunt in this clip, right? And every other clip he's been in.
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Post by: mook on September 25, 2013, 09:24:26 AM
Here, Paul gets rather angry that journalists of the day didn't act on their knowledge of Savile's crimes, and then defends his own inaction.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P--EIek-2OY

he sounded angrier when mentioning that savile didn't cue up his own records or "work the board"
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Post by: lazyhour on September 25, 2013, 09:28:56 AM
I've had dinner with Gambo and he was delightful.

My interpretation of his 'pro-industry' comments in documentaries has always been that he just sees himself as an industry truth-teller. I don't think he's necessarily taking moral positions on this stuff - just saying what's worked and not worked for the muzik biz over the years.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Tiny Poster on September 25, 2013, 09:40:35 AM
No! In the recording industry, the truth is that he is THE BIGGEST CUNT

(he was great on that Shuttleworth pilot)
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Post by: lazyhour on September 25, 2013, 09:47:28 AM
Troublemaker.
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Post by: Jim_MacLaine on September 25, 2013, 09:55:23 AM
Muttering Cunts in Matching Bicycles

Great band.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: NoSleep on September 25, 2013, 10:10:31 AM
I've had dinner with Gambo and he was delightful.

My interpretation of his 'pro-industry' comments in documentaries has always been that he just sees himself as an industry truth-teller. I don't think he's necessarily taking moral positions on this stuff - just saying what's worked and not worked for the muzik biz over the years.

That's what the media looks for in presenters. They favour the "i'm not into politics," non-argumentive, non-opinionated type. You'd have a hard time working out the real opinion of virtually anybody hired to be on TV or radio as a talking head. So Gambacinni's going along with the status quo looks even more calculating than the average airhead DJ or morning TV presenter as it's clear he intelligent enough to have formed an opinion of his own and articulate enough to express it. He's a shill.
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Post by: Tiny Poster on September 25, 2013, 10:13:38 AM
Let's take a brief interlude, with Lee Perry singing about how Island Records boss Chris Blackwell is literally a vampire.

http://vimeo.com/34710965
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Post by: CaledonianGonzo on September 25, 2013, 11:20:32 AM
That's what the media looks for in presenters. They favour the "i'm not into politics," non-argumentive, non-opinionated type. You'd have a hard time working out the real opinion of virtually anybody hired to be on TV or radio as a talking head. So Gambacinni's going along with the status quo looks even more calculating than the average airhead DJ or morning TV presenter as it's clear he intelligent enough to have formed an opinion of his own and articulate enough to express it. He's a shill.

Though he's never really pretended otherwise.  Surely someone like Feargal Sharkey or Lars Ulrich is more of a turncoat in that regard.
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Post by: Neville Chamberlain on September 25, 2013, 11:23:59 AM
Ah, come on! Feargal Sharkey's got a good heart - and these days, that's hard to find.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: NoSleep on September 25, 2013, 11:26:14 AM
So it's OK to be a cunt as long you start out from that position?

Lars Ulrich and Feargal Sharkey are merely pissing in the inevitable wind.
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Post by: CaledonianGonzo on September 25, 2013, 11:26:45 AM
Ah, come on! Feargal Sharkey's got a good heart - and these days, that's hard to find.

I hear his cousin's actually the least likeable member of his family.

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Post by: Lisa Jesusandmarychain on September 25, 2013, 11:38:09 AM
when he sang on "Teenage Kicks", he wasn't even eighteen.
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Post by: holyzombiejesus on September 25, 2013, 11:46:21 AM
Let's take a brief interlude, with Lee Perry singing about how Island Records boss Chris Blackwell is literally a vampire.

http://vimeo.com/34710965

That's funny; Nirvana (the original 60s ones) wrote a song called Christopher Lucifer, apparently about the same person.
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Post by: phantom_power on September 25, 2013, 11:53:19 AM
From ripping off musicians and co-writers

Is this a possible reason why his early stuff is so great and most stuff after the About a Boy soundtrack is pretty dull?
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Post by: Shameless Custard on September 25, 2013, 12:13:01 PM
I love the way Kanye strips away the surface of humbleness, and gets more manic as that interview progresses. And Zane Lowe desperately trying to laugh and agree with every mind-fart he squeezes out. Its a masterclass in out of touch ego being lubed by even more arselicking

And yet I can't help myself enjoying Kanye. He's a true pop star in that he is clearly out of control and reality melted away a long time back. And that's what all the best pop stars are like, and should be like.

Once you get that audience, and that platform, act like a twerp. Annoy everyone. Call George Bush a cunt on live TV. Least its not fucking Keane or The Kooks.

And yet I still have a suspicion its all an act, as he knows it will keep people talking about him.

His idea to create "3d music" is Spinal Tap worthy funniness. It just needed a tiny rock formation to really sell it
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Post by: Blinder Data on September 25, 2013, 12:23:36 PM
Is this a possible reason why his early stuff is so great and most stuff after the About a Boy soundtrack is pretty dull?

My brother's old housemate did the horns on 'The Shining', created the melody, performed them, all that. Got no royalties for it.

Though I did enjoy Mr Gough loudly muttering about 'fucking LA cunts' during a show in front of incredulous chattering Cali airheads.
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Post by: holyzombiejesus on September 25, 2013, 12:29:57 PM
Is this a possible reason why his early stuff is so great and most stuff after the About a Boy soundtrack is pretty dull?

EDIT: What he says up ^there^. I think the cellist from Alfie co-wrote that bit too, and again received zip, despite it being used for, amongst other things, a Gap advert.

My friend had a run in with lots of the Twisted Nerve people and rather than challenge him about what was going on, Damon was all nice and friendly to his face but then had a big go at his girlfriend.

He's also changed the football team that he supports, the sign of a cunt if ever there was one.
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Post by: Tiny Poster on September 25, 2013, 02:03:59 PM
Once Around The Block was alright.

Oh! If this helps, my mate pubed BDB at a festival once.

What's pubing? Well, it's when you conceal a pubic hair between your fingers, then deposit it into someone's palm as you shake their hand.
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Post by: phantom_power on September 25, 2013, 02:13:47 PM
I think we have our answer. Your mate is the biggest cunt in the recording industry
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Post by: Famous Mortimer on September 25, 2013, 02:19:39 PM
If it gets to the stage where you're writing the melody for a song, does it not enter the mind of a musician to document it in some way beforehand, or get a contract? Unless he was working under some "I own all your ideas" contract, or something (which is a stupid thing to sign in the first place).

Although BDB is undoubtedly a c**t of the highest magnitude.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Tiny Poster on September 25, 2013, 02:35:55 PM
I think we have our answer. Your mate is the biggest cunt in the recording industry

After Gambo, yes
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: NoSleep on September 25, 2013, 02:38:03 PM
If it gets to the stage where you're writing the melody for a song, does it not enter the mind of a musician to document it in some way beforehand, or get a contract? Unless he was working under some "I own all your ideas" contract, or something (which is a stupid thing to sign in the first place).

Although BDB is undoubtedly a c**t of the highest magnitude.

That kind of thing happens all the time. Some 8-bit guys worked with Beck and got fuck all credit for co-composition. Someone else I know (a jazz pianist) worked on a major project where he contributed considerably and received only credit as the pianist despite this. He even had tapes of the sessions, recording the process in the control room, etc.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: daf on September 25, 2013, 02:38:05 PM
So Gambacinni's going along with the status quo

(http://s16.postimg.org/oeycsoo6t/Gambo_Quo.jpg)
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: NoSleep on September 25, 2013, 02:38:41 PM
I wondered when that would occur.
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Post by: Doomy Dwyer on September 25, 2013, 02:45:21 PM
(http://s16.postimg.org/oeycsoo6t/Gambo_Quo.jpg)

Just look at the breadth of Rick Parfitt's left thigh. When you see it you'll literally shit brix.

That's certainly no Pictures of Matchstick Men. Doesn't quite work. Fuck it.

And post.
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Post by: clingfilm portent on September 25, 2013, 03:02:57 PM
Still like him.
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Post by: Spiteface on September 25, 2013, 03:22:55 PM
Jamiroquai.
Oh, and also David Van Day for stealing the Bucks Fizz name from poor old Bobby G.

That "Trouble at the Top" documentary on the BBC years ago is a weirdly fascinating look at the Buck's Fizz/Van Day fiasco.

I quite like his idea of modernising the skirt-ripping bit of "Making Your Mind Up" by making the two girls in the group open their tops, revealing skimpy bras underneath, because he felt the 90's were "The Boob Age"

THIS ACTUALLY HAPPENED. (http://youtu.be/UraAPH4HD7g?t=26m29s)
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: NoSleep on September 25, 2013, 03:26:18 PM
Thanks Spiteface, I was looking for a link for the entire show and could only find the excerpt I posted earlier.

Here's a link to view from the start http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UraAPH4HD7g
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Marissa on September 25, 2013, 03:37:56 PM
If it gets to the stage where you're writing the melody for a song, does it not enter the mind of a musician to document it in some way beforehand, or get a contract? Unless he was working under some "I own all your ideas" contract, or something (which is a stupid thing to sign in the first place).

Although BDB is undoubtedly a c**t of the highest magnitude.

The day I put the only discernible melodic content in a top ten hit I thought it was a triumph because I'd got the guy to pay for my travel card. It often tends to be, 'well we're all going to get paid soon.' 'this will be fantastic exposure for you'.
 
If you're already living hand to mouth, occasionally homeless etc you have no bargaining power. Going on strike just leaves you with hundred per cent of nothing. And if you are assertive (ie would like to stop starving) you're 'difficult', 'attitude problem' etc

Then there's creative bankruptcy and...

Ray Davis claimed an enormous slice of my 'co writer's' career forever, just to get him out of a seventies publishing deal. He won't give it back, even though he can't possibly need it. He may be one of the biggest misers ever.

Proud to have backed David Van Day (once) and also had a longer recording & performing association with two sevenths of the new King Crimson. One of whom toured Italy with Iggy Pop when he was coming off heroin, which loosened his blocked bowels, necessitating a quick comfort stop behind an amp. Live tv at its best.   
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: 23 Daves on September 25, 2013, 04:07:57 PM
Another famous case of non-crediting is for the saxophone player Bob Holness Raphael Ravenscroft on "Baker Street".  He claims he wrote the famous sax melody line, but this is disputed by some who argue that Rafferty had already penned the riff long before. 

I get the impression this happens a lot, actually, and it's about where the boundaries get drawn.  Most bands tend to jam or riff around ideas, and on occasion one member may come up with a very prominent idea that gets used.  It's for this reason that bands like Pulp have the right idea by attributing songwriting credits to all band members rather than just one in particular. 
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: daf on September 25, 2013, 04:19:04 PM
Another famous case of non-crediting is for the saxophone player Bob Holness Raphael Ravenscroft on "Baker Street".  He claims he wrote the famous sax melody line, but this is disputed by some who argue that Rafferty had already penned the riff long before. 

Here's the demo (available on a recent deluxe CD edition of City to City) with the sax part played on guitar -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bcXRkMs0fs

Does sound better with the sax, but I think the melody is pretty much worked out by Gerry.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: doppelkorn on September 25, 2013, 04:25:27 PM
That "Trouble at the Top" documentary on the BBC years ago is a weirdly fascinating look at the Buck's Fizz/Van Day fiasco.

I quite like his idea of modernising the skirt-ripping bit of "Making Your Mind Up" by making the two girls in the group open their tops, revealing skimpy bras underneath, because he felt the 90's were "The Boob Age"

THIS ACTUALLY HAPPENED. (http://youtu.be/UraAPH4HD7g?t=26m29s)

Love how he phrases that as well:

Quote
...and although we didn't do the skirt ripping routine at that time, we did this 90s thing. We thought - I felt we were in the boob age.

Completely deadpan.

And of course that sci-fi staple, the punk pig.

(http://i.imgur.com/aRqae0l.png)
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: NoSleep on September 25, 2013, 04:29:44 PM
Another famous case of non-crediting is for the saxophone player Bob Holness Raphael Ravenscroft on "Baker Street".  He claims he wrote the famous sax melody line, but this is disputed by some who argue that Rafferty had already penned the riff long before. 

I get the impression this happens a lot, actually, and it's about where the boundaries get drawn.  Most bands tend to jam or riff around ideas, and on occasion one member may come up with a very prominent idea that gets used.  It's for this reason that bands like Pulp have the right idea by attributing songwriting credits to all band members rather than just one in particular.

I've heard that Raphael Ravenscroft continued to work with Rafferty (live), but refused to play that line again as it had been an improvisation (of his) and he determined to play it differently each performance.

Producers and artists tend to want to take all the credit for merely saying "yes, that works; keep that".
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: daf on September 25, 2013, 04:37:46 PM
I've heard that Raphael Ravenscroft continued to work with Rafferty (live), but refused to play that line again as it had been an improvisation (of his)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bcXRkMs0fs
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: NoSleep on September 25, 2013, 04:42:43 PM
Well that's another myth exploded by the internet.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Marissa on September 25, 2013, 05:03:11 PM
I've heard that Raphael Ravenscroft continued to work with Rafferty (live), but refused to play that line again as it had been an improvisation (of his) and he determined to play it differently each performance.

Producers and artists tend to want to take all the credit for merely saying "yes, that works; keep that".

"Producers and artists tend to want to take all the credit for merely saying "yes, that works; keep that"."

THIS plus one million.
...................................

I heard that there's a David Van Day programme where he ends up doing a solo performance of 'Make Your Mind Up' at some military base. Having pissed everyone else off on the way to this Twilight of the God(s)? Would love to see that.

Not many know that Mr Raphael Ravenscroft is the son of Trevor Ravenscroft who wrote the seminal work on Nazi Occultism Spear of Destiny.

If David Van Day were successful he would be worse than Hitler, and one of the biggest cunts in the recording industry.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Shameless Custard on September 25, 2013, 05:24:56 PM
For more prime Van Day fallings out, check out his argument with fellow 80s pop star Sonia from some reality talent show a few years back. Can't search YT myself, as I'm on my phone, but it's good. Sonia wins, I'd say
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Shameless Custard on September 25, 2013, 05:28:07 PM
Oh, turns out I can find it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7OXWcHc5oM
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: NoSleep on September 25, 2013, 05:29:46 PM
David Van Day has run for a Council seat on a Conservative ticket, if everything else about him didn't already scream "cunt". Although it's fun watching him torment the Bucks Fizz camp.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Lisa Jesusandmarychain on September 25, 2013, 05:40:21 PM
Another famous case of non-crediting is for the saxophone player Bob Holness Raphael Ravenscroft on "Baker Street".  He claims he wrote the famous sax melody line, but this is disputed by some who argue that Rafferty had already penned the riff long before. 

I get the impression this happens a lot, actually, and it's about where the boundaries get drawn.  Most bands tend to jam or riff around ideas, and on occasion one member may come up with a very prominent idea that gets used.  It's for this reason that bands like Pulp have the right idea by attributing songwriting credits to all band members rather than just one in particular.

Did Pulp also credit the person who wrote the riff for "Gloria" by Laura Brannigan on 'Disco 2000'?

(I don't think Pulp are cunts, I hasten to add.)
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: daf on September 25, 2013, 05:45:14 PM
Did Pulp also credit the person who wrote the riff for "Gloria" by Laura Brannigan on 'Disco 2000'?

Umberto Tozzi and Giancarlo Bigazzi

Umberto's original version :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYL_61r217Q

Not forgetting Mark and Lard's Blackmail Corner - 'Common People' :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thSgdsWLe4E

Full song - Mecano 'Los Amantes' (1988) :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRlot9Anzbg

as they say - ¡Que carajo! ¡Es clavado a common people de Pulp!
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Noodle Lizard on September 25, 2013, 07:51:26 PM
Anyone said Eric Clapton yet?  Yeah, him.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: momatt on September 25, 2013, 07:55:46 PM
That kind of thing happens all the time. Some 8-bit guys worked with Beck and got fuck all credit for co-composition. Someone else I know (a jazz pianist) worked on a major project where he contributed considerably and received only credit as the pianist despite this. He even had tapes of the sessions, recording the process in the control room, etc.

Why do they stand for it?

I'm pretty sure Money Mark wrote and played the main riff for Beck's Where It's At.  He only gets a very brief and vague mention in the Odelay liner notes.

BDB's cuntery is saddening, his early EPs are amazing.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: NoSleep on September 25, 2013, 07:58:57 PM
Anyone said Eric Clapton yet?  Yeah, him.

He's just a bitter muso. Never got over Hendrix wiping the floor with him when invited onstage to jam at a Cream gig.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: ziggy starbucks on September 25, 2013, 08:00:27 PM
Also, there's that horrible selfish cunt Dave Bulmer who owns the rights to loads of great folk albums but refuses to issue or license them, meaning that stuff like Nic Jones' early albums remain unavailable.

EDIT: I have just read that Dave Bulmer has died. RIP Dave.

its a pity many of the folkies he shafted are dead as well. Martin Carthy said that he wanted people to 'illegally' download Bright Phoebus because it was the only way the album could be heard[1]. Bulmer appeared in a radio 2 documentary about the Watersons to counter some of Mike Waterson's accusations and its uncomfortable listening.

Hopefully now Nic Jones and the other surviving acts can see their lost albums re-discovered
 1. apart from the handful of original vinyl pressings in existence
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: NoSleep on September 25, 2013, 08:01:46 PM
Why do they stand for it?

Simple. It's all "hands on" with the artist making all the moves to work with you and communicate before the session; your new best friend. Once it's over, all you're able to get through to is management.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: NoSleep on September 25, 2013, 08:04:49 PM
its a pity many of the folkies he shafted are dead as well. Martin Carthy said that he wanted people to 'illegally' download Bright Phoebus because it was the only way the album could be heard[1]. Bulmer appeared in a radio 2 documentary about the Watersons to counter some of Mike Waterson's accusations and its uncomfortable listening.

Hopefully now Nic Jones and the other surviving acts can see their lost albums re-discovered
 1. apart from the handful of original vinyl pressings in existence

Mentioning Martin Carthy reminds me. Paul Simon. Learned an old english folk tune from Carthy (Scarborough Fair), then copyrighted it in his own name.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Subtle Mocking on September 25, 2013, 08:06:10 PM
David Van Day has run for a Council seat on a Conservative ticket, if everything else about him didn't already scream "cunt". Although it's fun watching him torment the Bucks Fizz camp.

If you check out the Bucks Fizz Wikipedia page, the legal torment still hadn't finished once DVD relinquished the Bucks Fizz name. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucks_Fizz_(band)#The_Original_Bucks_Fizz_.2F_OBF

I can't think of another band so insignificant but with so many legal issues.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Subtle Mocking on September 25, 2013, 08:07:56 PM
Mentioning Martin Carthy reminds me. Paul Simon. Learned an old english folk tune from Carthy (Scarborough Fair), then copyrighted it in his own name.

Also apparently didn't credit Los Lobos for a song on Graceland.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: ziggy starbucks on September 25, 2013, 08:12:45 PM
Mentioning Martin Carthy reminds me. Paul Simon. Learned an old english folk tune from Carthy (Scarborough Fair), then copyrighted it in his own name.

and Simon's version is the least interesting I've heard
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Talulah, really! on September 25, 2013, 08:19:22 PM
its a pity many of the folkies he shafted are dead as well. Martin Carthy said that he wanted people to 'illegally' download Bright Phoebus because it was the only way the album could be heard[1]. Bulmer appeared in a radio 2 documentary about the Watersons to counter some of Mike Waterson's accusations and its uncomfortable listening.

Hopefully now Nic Jones and the other surviving acts can see their lost albums re-discovered
 1. apart from the handful of original vinyl pressings in existence

In case you are interested, next week on Radio 2's The Folk Show with Mark Radcliffe (Wed Oct 2, 19.00)

Marry Waterson and Richard Hawley interview

Mark speaks to Marry Waterson and Richard Hawley about Bright Pheobus, the classic record by Marry's late mother and uncle, Lal and Mike Waterson.

Richard and Marry will soon be joined by Eliza Carthy, Martin Carthy, Jarvis Cocker and Norma Waterson for a series of concerts - titled Bright Phoebus Revisited - celebrating the 1972 album which memorably blended folk and Beatles-esque elements with the special North Yorkshire atmosphere of Lal and Mike's original songwriting. The record featured, among others, Richard Thompson, Dave Mattacks, Maddy Prior, Ashley Hutchings, Bob Davenport and Tim Hart.

As well as the Bright Phoebus Revisited concerts, a new book and CD called Teach Me To Be a Summer's Morning will compile paintings, drawings, poetry and previously unreleased songs by Lal Waterson.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: momatt on September 25, 2013, 08:30:26 PM
Here, Paul gets rather angry that journalists of the day didn't act on their knowledge of Savile's crimes, and then defends his own inaction.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P--EIek-2OY

Jesus, this cunt really has no idea how much of a cunt he is.  I like how his voice is quivering with self-righteous fury (mostly about Jimmy not playing records).
He also explains what Mensa is too, which is nice of him.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: ziggy starbucks on September 25, 2013, 08:35:28 PM
In case you are interested, next week on Radio 2's The Folk Show with Mark Radcliffe (Wed Oct 2, 19.00)

Marry Waterson and Richard Hawley interview

Mark speaks to Marry Waterson and Richard Hawley about Bright Pheobus, the classic record by Marry's late mother and uncle, Lal and Mike Waterson.

Richard and Marry will soon be joined by Eliza Carthy, Martin Carthy, Jarvis Cocker and Norma Waterson for a series of concerts - titled Bright Phoebus Revisited - celebrating the 1972 album which memorably blended folk and Beatles-esque elements with the special North Yorkshire atmosphere of Lal and Mike's original songwriting. The record featured, among others, Richard Thompson, Dave Mattacks, Maddy Prior, Ashley Hutchings, Bob Davenport and Tim Hart.

As well as the Bright Phoebus Revisited concerts, a new book and CD called Teach Me To Be a Summer's Morning will compile paintings, drawings, poetry and previously unreleased songs by Lal Waterson.


well I've just bought a ticket for the tour. I would not have heard of it had it not been for your post. Bright Phoebus might be my favourite album so many many many many many many thanks Talulah!
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: holyzombiejesus on September 25, 2013, 09:43:58 PM
well I've just bought a ticket for the tour.

What!?!!

My wife is going to one of the shows on her own. God, I hope it's not the same one as you're going to. I must warn her to stay away from any balding men brandishing clingfilm.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: holyzombiejesus on September 25, 2013, 09:46:16 PM
its a pity many of the folkies he shafted are dead as well. Martin Carthy said that he wanted people to 'illegally' download Bright Phoebus because it was the only way the album could be heard[1]. Bulmer appeared in a radio 2 documentary about the Watersons to counter some of Mike Waterson's accusations and its uncomfortable listening.

Hopefully now Nic Jones and the other surviving acts can see their lost albums re-discovered
 1. apart from the handful of original vinyl pressings in existence

I'd heard that the rites had passed from the horrible dead cunt (RIP Dave) to his equally vile wife (if she's died, then RIP to her too).
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Brundle-Fly on September 25, 2013, 10:10:01 PM
Kevin Rowland had a terrible track record until his breakdown in the nineties. It's all well documented his Dexys dictoatorship but his actions after fellow songwriter, Kevin Archer left the band were very shabby. He repented and publicly apologised to Archer since.


 "I experienced hollow success with 'Come On Eileen' and Too-Rye-Ay, the musical sound of which ... mixed with Tamla-type soul, came from Kevin Archer and not me, as I claimed. The idea and sound was his; I stole it from him, hurting Kevin Archer deeply in the process. I conned people all over the world, from the people close to me and the people I worked with to the fans, to the radio and TV programmers, and I made a lot of money. To everybody I conned, I'm sorry. To my beautiful friend Kevin Archer, I love you, I'm sorry I hurt you. I was jealous of you and your talent. You deserved better, I hope you get what you deserve."
THE INDEPENDENT 1997

Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: ziggy starbucks on September 25, 2013, 11:00:47 PM
What!?!!

My wife is going to one of the shows on her own. God, I hope it's not the same one as you're going to. I must warn her to stay away from any balding men brandishing clingfilm.

I'll be easy to identify. I'm the one with the beard

I'd heard that the rites had passed from the horrible dead cunt (RIP Dave) to his equally vile wife (if she's died, then RIP to her too).

oh
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Old Nehamkin on September 27, 2013, 01:26:15 AM
Kanye is currently going a bit crazy on Twitter over this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_O6QrdsP38) fairly tame parody of his BBC interview that Jimmy Kimmel's done.

Quote from: Kanye
JIMMY KIMMEL IS OUT OF LINE TO TRY AND SPOOF IN ANY WAY THE FIRST PIECE OF HONEST MEDIA IN YEARS

JIMMY KIMMEL, I DON'T TAKE IT AS A JOKE…. YOU DON'T HAVE SCUM BAGS HOPPING OVER FENCES TRYING TO TAKE PICTURES OF YOUR DAUGHTER

JIMMY KIMMEL PUT YOURSELF IN MY SHOES … OH NO THAT MEANS YOU WOULD HAVE GOTTEN TOO MUCH GOOD PUSSY IN YOUR LIFE…

YOU CAN'T PUT YOURSELF IN MY SHOES. YOUR FACE LOOKS CRAZY… IS THAT FUNNY?… OR IF I HAD A KID SAY IT WOULD IT BE FUNNY???

SHOULD I DO A SPOOF ABOUT YOUR FACE OR YOU FUCKING BEN AFFLECK…#NODISRESPECTTOBENAFFLECK #ALLDISRESPECTTOJIMMYKIMMEL!!!!

I LIKE YOU,  YOU KNOW ME,  I WENT TO YOUR FAMILY'S WEDDING

WHO YOU MADE IT CLEAR TO ME WASN'T YOUR FAMILY WHEN I WAS ON THEN PHONE WITH YOU 5 MINUTES AGO, YOU MANIPULATIVE MEDIA MUTHERFUCKER.

SARAH SILVERMAN IS A THOUSAND TIMES FUNNIER THAN YOU AND THE WHOLE WORLD KNOWS IT!!!
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: El Unicornio, mang on September 27, 2013, 01:54:08 AM
followers: 9,865,576
following: 1

Says a lot about him (and the 1 he's following is Kim Kardashian)
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Shameless Custard on September 27, 2013, 02:21:03 AM
He used to follow just one other person, a fan who won a competition or something. The fact that he's no longer following him seems a bit cunty
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: El Unicornio, mang on September 27, 2013, 03:04:19 AM
He probably got sick and tired of having to view literally one or two tweets per day not about him.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Mark Steels Stockbroker on September 27, 2013, 07:30:50 AM
The biggest cunts in the music biz are all in tiny indie bands and labels, utterly deluded megalomaniacs who don't even have the flimsy excuse that they are under the pressure of maintaining success and meeting expectations. They're just cunts.

Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: leighhart on September 27, 2013, 07:49:15 AM
Liam Gallagher? or is he just all bluster?
Mick Hucknell has a bit of a reputation as a wanker.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Tiny Poster on September 27, 2013, 08:32:46 AM
That Kanye stuff is great. There aren't enough batshit (and talented) superstars about these days.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Lisa Jesusandmarychain on September 27, 2013, 08:34:06 AM
I bet Jesse Garron and the Desperadoes were a right bunch of cunts. Had that look about 'em.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Why I Hate Tables on September 27, 2013, 12:31:46 PM
That Kanye stuff is great. There aren't enough batshit (and talented) superstars about these days.

Exactly. I enjoy that, in a landscape where a lot of artists consult their army of agents and publicists before sneezing. It's nice to see him just going insane about nothing all the time, whether it be long twitter rants about a comedy sketch; yelling false equivalencies about the civil rights movement and his desire to design water-bottles at world champion "king of superstar rimming" Zane Lowe; or appearing on Jools Holland being interrupted by bursts of scat singing by a former member of the Gap Band, at his own instigation.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: BryanV on September 27, 2013, 09:44:41 PM


Sorry for the short notice but The Enigma of Nic Jones starts on BBC 4 at 10pm tonight. It is repeated at 2am.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: DrGreggles on September 27, 2013, 10:53:08 PM
Mike Love can probably be nominated for a lot of things, but the most recent was that he sacked Brian Wilson from The Beach Boys.

He SACKED BRIAN WILSON from THE BEACH BOYS!
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: PaulTMA on September 28, 2013, 01:53:27 PM

Mike Love can probably be nominated for a lot of things, but the most recent was that he sacked Brian Wilson from The Beach Boys.

He SACKED BRIAN WILSON from THE BEACH BOYS!

No he didn't.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on September 28, 2013, 02:08:19 PM
Yeah, as much of a cunt as Love is, that's not actually what happened.

http://www.nme.com/news/the-beach-boys/66496 (http://www.nme.com/news/the-beach-boys/66496)
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Petey Pate on September 28, 2013, 02:28:25 PM
He's just a bitter muso. Never got over Hendrix wiping the floor with him when invited onstage to jam at a Cream gig.

I lost any iota of respect I might have had for Eric Clapton when I found out about his pro-Enoch Powell racist rant in the mid-70s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dg9IZyx_-Os).  Not that much he's done outside of Cream is any good, but fuck Clapton. 
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Egyptian Feast on September 28, 2013, 07:14:39 PM
I lost any iota of respect I might have had for Eric Clapton when I found out about his pro-Enoch Powell racist rant in the mid-70s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dg9IZyx_-Os).  Not that much he's done outside of Cream is any good, but fuck Clapton. 

Quote
In March 2004, Eric stopped playing 'Tears In Heaven' and "My Father's Eyes" in concert. While touring Japan in November and December 2003, he discovered he could no longer perform them. Said Clapton: "I didn't feel the loss anymore, which is so much a part of performing those songs. I really have to connect with he feelings that were there when I wrote them. They're kind of gone and I really don't want them to come back, particularly. My life is different now. They probably just need a rest and maybe I'll introduce them for a much more detached point of view."

'Detached'! Brilliant. Stay classy, Eric.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: NoSleep on September 28, 2013, 07:28:44 PM
He was detached from this point on:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6t4qXH_YaBs
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: phantom_power on September 28, 2013, 08:55:25 PM
'Detached'! Brilliant. Stay classy, Eric.

Judging how someone should handle the death of their child, also classy
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Bingo Fury on September 28, 2013, 10:04:57 PM
I bet Jesse Garron and the Desperadoes were a right bunch of cunts. Had that look about 'em.

Steady the fuck on. Andrew Tully's always been really pleasant in all my dealings with him, don't think I've heard a bad word about him either (not that I go looking for that kind of goss any more). That Margarita could kill you stone dead with a glance, true, but that may have been out of insecurity rather than actual malice. And from what little contact I had with her, Fran seemed really nice too. For the actual cunts of the 80s/90s Edinburgh indie-pop scene, you'll have to wait for my memoirs.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: monkfromhavana on September 29, 2013, 12:23:10 PM
The dance music scene is always fun for this type of stuff. There isn't one person who hasn't ripped off/been ripped off/ been erroneously outed as a paedophile.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: momatt on October 01, 2013, 10:17:06 AM
...appearing on Jools Holland being interrupted by bursts of scat singing by a former member of the Gap Band, at his own instigation.

You've just reminded me how much I hate Jools Holland.
He plays the piano with his fists.  He is one of the worst interviewers ever, terribly researched, always somehow turning around the conversation to somehow be about him or talking about some stupid banal shit with an absolute musical legend.
He also claimed to be the only person in the world with a big band. 

His recent interview with Francis Black was fairly painful.
I can't find a link, but it's just as well.  I'd put my head through my monitor with rage.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: thraxx on October 01, 2013, 11:16:11 AM
It's obvious I know, but for sheer magnitude I can’t believe that Bono (and his various hat related antics) are not in here. THIS photo has to be one of single most cuntish things EVER done in return for judas coins.

(http://www.refinery29.com/static/bin/entry/e29/x/11505/bono-edun-louis-vuitton-ad.jpg)

And let’s not forget Jamiroquai, and his staggering turnaround from ‘Emergency on Planet Earth’ (Boo hoo isn't everyone selfish) to ‘Travelling without moving’ (In a fleet of 500 Lamborghini Diablos).
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Vodka Margarine on October 01, 2013, 01:29:51 PM
You've just reminded me how much I hate Jools Holland.
He plays the piano with his fists.  He is one of the worst interviewers ever, terribly researched, always somehow turning around the conversation to somehow be about him or talking about some stupid banal shit with an absolute musical legend.
He also claimed to be the only person in the world with a big band. 

His recent interview with Francis Black was fairly painful.
I can't find a link, but it's just as well.  I'd put my head through my monitor with rage.

I know what you mean. It's sad when you reflect that he was part of something quite exciting and subversive three decades ago.[1]

The boogie woogie smuggery is grating I'll give you, but he's not a bona fide cunt in my eyes. He's on the right side, is Mr Holland. Later... is still frequently watchable for mainstream television's sole remaining contemporary music outlet. Even if watching it all the way through is a bridge too far, anyone who isn't a complete philistine will at least appreciate its ongoing existence. The ratings have never been stratospheric but the fact that it's lasted 20 years without being dumbed down massively, shunted off to niche channel wilderness or cancelled altogether is something of a small victory. 
 1. The Tube not Squeeze, in case you were wondering.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: holyzombiejesus on October 01, 2013, 02:12:00 PM
Judge a man on the company he keeps.

(http://www3.images.coolspotters.com/photos/216206/im-in-the-mood-for-love-by-jamiroquai-and-jools-holland-profile.jpg)(http://pixhost.me/avaxhome/9e/4b/000a4b9e_medium.jpeg)
(http://www.cheshirelife.co.uk/polopoly_fs/prince_s_trust_ambassadors_carol_vorderman_and_jools_holland_meeting_the_prince_of_wales_1_1585680!image/3294331563.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_630/3294331563.jpg)

Also, once i saw him on his programme and he opened up his waistcoat and he had the words 'boogie' & 'woogie' embroidered on his inner flaps.
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Post by: Famous Mortimer on October 01, 2013, 02:18:26 PM
Is that Jamiroquai one a real record cover?
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Post by: shiftwork2 on October 01, 2013, 02:22:44 PM
he had the words 'boogie' & 'woogie' embroidered on his inner flaps.

I'd go for 'George' and 'Osborne' on my inner flaps.
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Post by: holyzombiejesus on October 01, 2013, 02:35:38 PM
Is that Jamiroquai one a real record cover?

http://www.discogs.com/Jools-Holland-And-Jamiroquai-With-Rhythm-Blues-Orchestra-Im-In-The-Mood-For-Love/release/2987388

Yours for £1.66.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: momatt on October 01, 2013, 02:59:06 PM
The boogie woogie smuggery is grating I'll give you, but he's not a bona fide cunt in my eyes. He's on the right side, is Mr Holland. Later... is still frequently watchable for mainstream television's sole remaining contemporary music outlet.

Dammit, I can't disagree with any of that.  He's more of a twat than a cunt I suppose.

The program itself is fantastic and I am also surprised and delighted that it still exists.  Though I don't love every act that's on, the sheer variety is impressive.  Plus, on iPlayer you can skip any acts that you deem to be a bit shit.
The show should stay the same, but it would be amazing if they replaced Jools with Gilles Peterson (or anyone else that I like).  I know quite a few musos who are put off watching the show entirely just because of the presenter.  The massive egotistical cockface.
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Post by: mobias on October 01, 2013, 03:00:47 PM
The biggest bunch of wankers are probably Kings of Leon. A seriously unpleasant bunch of trumped up twats. Usually I take stories I hear from inside the music industry with a pinch of salt because its very easy to have a reputation in the music business as a twat when the person in question is actually perfectly ok but there's so many corroborating stories about Kings of Leon twatiness that its hard to ignore. They're simply a bunch of cunts. You do get the impression they don't even like themselves that much. 

Basement Jaxx were another band I heard so many different corroborating twatiness reports about when they were at their hight in the early 00's. That's possibly why their career tanked. They simply never got asked back to festival/shows etc.

I was sad to hear the other day that Arcade Fire are apparently developing a bit of a reputation as prima donnas but then again take my point above. People should be innocent until proven guilty.

George Harrison was mentioned earlier in the thread. I think he was someone who just didn't take fools gladly. A lot of these people have to put up with so much bullshit that its quite often difficult to not come across as twats. Its when people go out of their way to be twats that it all changes. The Kings of Leon have been caught trying to sabotage the equipment of bands they're on the same bill with at festivals. Thats pure cuntishness.
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Post by: holyzombiejesus on October 01, 2013, 03:11:23 PM
I read somewhere that the guy who drove Hot Chip's tourbus said that they were the most objectionable people he'd ever had to work with. (As an aside, Chris Martin is (well, 'was' to be accurate) supposed to be a really fucking decent person).
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: momatt on October 01, 2013, 04:25:01 PM
The biggest bunch of wankers are probably Kings of Leon.

I hated them long before it was cool.

Somehow, Chris Martin being really nice makes me hate him even more.
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Post by: Kane Jones on October 01, 2013, 04:27:04 PM
Somehow, Chris Martin being really nice makes me hate him even more.

Agreed.  It makes him bland, like his music.
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Post by: the psyche intangible on October 01, 2013, 04:39:13 PM

His recent interview with Francis Black was fairly painful.
I can't find a link, but it's just as well.  I'd put my head through my monitor with rage.

He was harping on about the bands non appearance on the show because of the show not time lining when the band were together, not realising that the band had reformed about 10 years ago. Sadly Francis didn't pick him up on it.
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Post by: Phil_A on October 01, 2013, 11:17:03 PM
I know what you mean. It's sad when you reflect that he was part of something quite exciting and subversive three decades ago.[1]

The boogie woogie smuggery is grating I'll give you, but he's not a bona fide cunt in my eyes. He's on the right side, is Mr Holland. Later... is still frequently watchable for mainstream television's sole remaining contemporary music outlet. Even if watching it all the way through is a bridge too far, anyone who isn't a complete philistine will at least appreciate its ongoing existence. The ratings have never been stratospheric but the fact that it's lasted 20 years without being dumbed down massively, shunted off to niche channel wilderness or cancelled altogether is something of a small victory.
 1. The Tube not Squeeze, in case you were wondering.

Oh, I think it has dumbed down. That started about twelve years ago, when they put those tables in and suddenly the whole thing turned into a bit of a lame celeb schmoozefest. I don't think Jools really gives much a shit now either, someone said he buggers off to read the paper while the bands are playing.

I've never forgiven him for being such a dick to McCoy Tyner, someone whom a tenth-rate boogie-merchant like Holland isn't fit to turn pages for. I mean seriously, just stepping up and cutting him off in the middle of a performance! McCoy fucking Tyner! Unbelievably disrespectful. Surely they could've just faded out if the show was overrunning, but no.
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Post by: Petey Pate on October 01, 2013, 11:58:30 PM
I've never forgiven him for being such a dick to McCoy Tyner, someone whom a tenth-rate boogie-merchant like Holland isn't fit to turn pages for. I mean seriously, just stepping up and cutting him off in the middle of a performance! McCoy fucking Tyner! Unbelievably disrespectful. Surely they could've just faded out if the show was overrunning, but no.

Tyner's band overran their allocated time and as Elbow (of all people) were scheduled to perform one of their shit songs, Holland had to step in.  I agree that he should have let Tyner carry on regardless, one of the last living jazz legends being dismissed in favour of some button-down culturally insignificant indie shite is disgraceful.  That said, the look on Holland's face as he realises that they're not going to stop is priceless.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNQVyj7vVZs

 
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Post by: Vodka Margarine on October 02, 2013, 12:06:13 AM
I think this was talked about on an Adam & Joe podcast from about five years ago. Joe did some very funny impression of Holland just cutting in and stopping it all. That's pretty bad form, but I still don't think his innards would spell out the word 'cunt' if you cut him in half.

If anything, he looks deeply uncomfortable about the enormous faux pas he's obviously just been ordered to dish out. I love the way they just carry on playing through the applause, either oblivious to the fact they're being hastily wrapped up or just registering their dissent by pressing on regardless. Or maybe they just really hated Elbow.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Tiny Poster on October 02, 2013, 08:37:09 AM
Judge a man on the company he keeps.

(http://www3.images.coolspotters.com/photos/216206/im-in-the-mood-for-love-by-jamiroquai-and-jools-holland-profile.jpg)(http://pixhost.me/avaxhome/9e/4b/000a4b9e_medium.jpeg)
(http://www.cheshirelife.co.uk/polopoly_fs/prince_s_trust_ambassadors_carol_vorderman_and_jools_holland_meeting_the_prince_of_wales_1_1585680!image/3294331563.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_630/3294331563.jpg)

Also, once i saw him on his programme and he opened up his waistcoat and he had the words 'boogie' & 'woogie' embroidered on his inner flaps.

(http://www.independent.co.uk/migration_catalog/article5085295.ece/ALTERNATES/w620/1990.jpeg)

PS come on guys, Paul Gambaccini
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Post by: El Unicornio, mang on October 02, 2013, 08:58:44 AM
You couldn't pay me enough money to be in the same room as those three.
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Post by: kngen on October 02, 2013, 09:04:19 AM
Yeah, that's not the look of a man who's happy in his work. He probably had the producer screaming in his ear 'shut those cunts up' while thinking 'please, please don't make me do this' - I bet he still howls to himself in the shower about that moment and I guarantee you he cares a lot more about McCoy Tyner than he does bloody Elbow, because he's never shy in showering praise (http://www.theguardian.com/music/2005/jan/21/popandrock.raycharles) on the masters of his discipline.

I rarely watch Later or anything else he does - and he definitely is a spiky bastard by all accounts - but he was better at presenting The Tube than Paula Yates, and some of his pissing about with Rowland Rivron was pretty anarchic for the time.

In short, there are worse people around.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Tiny Poster on October 02, 2013, 09:07:37 AM
Such as Paul Gambaccini.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: kngen on October 02, 2013, 09:25:40 AM
Well, quite.
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Post by: NoSleep on October 02, 2013, 10:47:56 AM
I glad we can all agree on something.

That said, Jools Holland is definitely a cunt. When Marvin used to do CaB Radio he once told of his time as an employee of Mr Holland and it wasn't pleasant. To say nothing of his by-the-numbers boogie woogie.
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Post by: Petey Pate on October 02, 2013, 10:52:10 AM
I remember Jools Holland introducing Grandmaster Flash as the "inventor of scratching".  A fine example of how little research he puts in when talking about artists he doesn't care about.
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Post by: Vodka Margarine on October 02, 2013, 11:44:32 AM
On the subject of Elbow, I've heard several accounts of how much of an incredibly pleasant fellow Mr Garvey is. He may not be a semi-obscure jazz piano legend but if you look carefully in that clip you can tell how amusing he thinks the situation is. Perhaps file under Chris Martin for jolly nice chap/meh music.
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Post by: thraxx on October 02, 2013, 12:27:22 PM
I imagine that that French singer who murdered his girlfriend by beating her to death is a bit of a wally.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: kngen on October 02, 2013, 02:04:39 PM
I glad we can all agree on something.

That said, Jools Holland is definitely a cunt. When Marvin used to do CaB Radio he once told of his time as an employee of Mr Holland and it wasn't pleasant. To say nothing of his by-the-numbers boogie woogie.

I saw an interview with him once where he said he leaned to play the piano by perfectly mimicking his uncle till he was playing two-handed boogie-woogie by the end of the day, which would suggest he's a wee bit Aspergersy. This might suggest why his rote playing hardly sets the world alight, but also why he comes across as such a cunt. The thunderous look on his face when his rehearsal was interrupted by the Reuniting The Band chappy was one of someone who does not like having his routine fucked around with.[1]
 1. That said, I doubt I'd be very happy either - and I only score 26 on Ali G's cousin's test
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Famous Mortimer on October 02, 2013, 02:20:04 PM
I read somewhere that the guy who drove Hot Chip's tourbus said that they were the most objectionable people he'd ever had to work with.
I almost had a relationship with one of Hot Chip's housemates, but I was a bit of an idiot so it never really got going. Okay, a lot of an idiot. Ah, (NAME REDACTED), you were and presumably remain lovely. I nearly had the chance to meet them all at a barbeque, if you ever need material for an "I nearly met a band once" thread.

Kings of Leon are dicks though. The story about them abandoning a gig in St. Louis because pigeons were shitting on them still makes me laugh.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: 23 Daves on October 02, 2013, 02:22:49 PM
In terms of industry moguls, it's generally agreed that Clive Davis is a hard individual to top.  My favourite story about him was when John Peel's manager (and music industry mover and shaker in his own right) Clive Selwood found himself being approached to work for him.

Selwood had heard numerous rumours about Davis's psychotic behaviour and was pretty sure he wanted nothing to do with him, but decided to have a meeting anyway to hear him out.  While there, Selwood actually confessed that he'd heard too many bad stories about Clive to really want to work for him.  At this point, Clive's assistant leaned forward to reassure him and said: "Oh that's just not true! Clive is a wonderful man to work for!"
Davis simply smiled wanly and said to his assistant: "There is something you possibly don't understand. When I worked at Columbia, I broke people's health".[1]

Despite his criticism, Selwood was offered so much money to work for him that he thought he better had discuss it with his wife at home and at least think about it, but while waiting on the runway to get a plane back Davis allegedly conspired to hold the flight up and delay take-off simply to speak to him on the phone to ask if he'd made his mind up yet.  There and then, having observed just what lengths Davis would go to in order to control a situation, Selwood rejected his offer.

There are now conspiracy theories online to suggest that Davis had Whitney Houston bumped off.  Pure nonsense, obviously, but he's apparently such a cold and sinister man that you can understand how these ideas occurred in the first place. 
 1. And if you're picturing Burns and Smithers at this point, you're not alone.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: kngen on October 02, 2013, 02:53:29 PM
I believe Don Arden was quite a rum fellow in his day, too[1].
 1. above and beyond bringing Sharon Osborne into the world
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Post by: grassbath on October 02, 2013, 02:57:53 PM
George Harrison always came across as a whinging, miserable arsehole.


Ohh yeah I became a multimillionaire in my early 20s and was a member of the biggest band of all time...let me just endlessly moan and snipe about that for the next 40 years.

He was only 20 years old when the Beatles' fame went meteoric, and was majorly trodden under creatively while in the band by John, a man he idolised, and Paul, who invited him into the band in the first place. As a price he had to spend his life forever a Beatle, forever associated with and compared with the Beatles. That's not something you can change, it permanently alters your life. I can understand his bitterness. I've even seen it posited that he suffered from PTSD from experiencing such intense fame and scrutiny at such a young age.
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Post by: CaledonianGonzo on October 02, 2013, 03:01:50 PM
If he's found guilty, yer man from Lostprophets will surely win the thread.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: mobias on October 02, 2013, 06:07:09 PM
I believe Don Arden was quite a rum fellow in his day, too[1].
 1. above and beyond bringing Sharon Osborne into the world

Yeah he was apparently vile. I think the key difference with someone like him or other known nutters like Ginger Baker is that they never really tried to be nice or perhaps even wanted to be liked. They were what they were. Its different when you've got guys like the Kings of Leon having a public front of pleasantness but are actually just genuinely really unpleasant people.

re Hot Chip. One thing to bare in mind is that sometimes these bands are actually ok people themselves but they just surround themselves with twats. Sometimes its the bands management and hangers on who build up the demanding or petulant reputation. I've seen that happen before.
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Post by: 23 Daves on October 02, 2013, 07:32:01 PM

re Hot Chip. One thing to bare in mind is that sometimes these bands are actually ok people themselves but they just surround themselves with twats. Sometimes its the bands management and hangers on who build up the demanding or petulant reputation. I've seen that happen before.

It seems to happen more often than not.  A lot of bands seem to be very naive about who their friends are and who is just hanging around them waiting for some scraps to fall off the table.  Pete Doherty is a prime fool in this respect, I've noted[1], though hardcore drug addicts seldom have stirling dinner party company throughout their phonebooks. 

Really, the music industry - and the business side of it especially - is so riddled with cunts that actually crowning a King or Queen Cunt is likely to be tricky work.  Phil Spector could be a bit testy. 

If we're talking about people who project a pleasant public image while being arseholes in private, then Richard Branson was a right old cunt during the seventies at least.  Famously, he refused to do business with women (if a band or artist had a female manager, he'd just cut her right out of the equation).  Then there's the small matter of him paying his record store staff an absolute pittance, to the extent that one store manager had to actually run out and buy them some food to eat.  The liberal happy hippy businessman image he now projects seems completely at odds with a lot of his behaviour. 
 1. Not that I know the man at all, I've just had the misfortune of meeting some of his 'friends'. Still, no harm done, fortunately, not everyone gets off so lightly: http://www.justiceformark.com
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Post by: Canted_Angle on October 02, 2013, 07:41:10 PM
This guy takes fuckery to new heights, Zane Lowe needs a kick up the arse for indulging this buffoon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2T0fMkZoMo&feature=player_embedded

any others spring to mind?

As soon as I saw the title of this thread I knew someone would mention Kanye. Am I the only person who sees that he is infact a comedy genius along the same lines as William Shatner? Kanye is comedy gold who holds a mirror up to the industry, magnifies it and distorts it and uses himself as a cartoon representation of it. He's a genius.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Vodka Margarine on October 02, 2013, 09:23:55 PM
Kanye is comedy gold who holds a mirror up to the industry, magnifies it and distorts it and uses himself as a cartoon representation of it. He's a genius.

It would be comedy gold if the notion of Kanye West being this huge clever satirical grotesque character held any water for a second. If 'Kanye West' really is a character then it seems as if the 24 hour non-stop method acting of the man behind him is so profoundly convincing and professional I think it may have worked against him, to the point where not many people realise that he's not actually real. Heck, even Sacha Baron Cohen makes the odd public foray as himself.
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Post by: Subtle Mocking on October 02, 2013, 09:38:19 PM
I can't think of many other musicians who praise themselves so extravagantly but actually manage to live up to that hype like Kanye. He's a rare breed.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Vodka Margarine on October 02, 2013, 10:36:33 PM
He's only the man Johnny Borrell could've been.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Jim_MacLaine on October 02, 2013, 11:41:08 PM
Richard Branson was a right old cunt during the seventies at least.  Then there's the small matter of him paying his record store staff an absolute pittance, to the extent that one store manager had to actually run out and buy them some food to eat.  The liberal happy hippy businessman image he now projects seems completely at odds with a lot of his behaviour.

Are you sure Daves? What period is this? I worked for Virgin  Retail in the late 80's/early 90's and the wages were great, there were loads of freebies, cheap food from the in store mezzanine snack bar and a yearly party at Branson's gaff as a thank you to Virgin staff. Seemed alright to me.
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Post by: 23 Daves on October 03, 2013, 07:59:55 AM
Are you sure Daves? What period is this? I worked for Virgin  Retail in the late 80's/early 90's and the wages were great, there were loads of freebies, cheap food from the in store mezzanine snack bar and a yearly party at Branson's gaff as a thank you to Virgin staff. Seemed alright to me.

I can't find a link, but this would have been when Virgin first started as a retail outlet in the seventies.  It sounds like he eventually learned his lesson at least...
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Post by: Tiny Poster on October 03, 2013, 08:40:07 AM
He was only 20 years old when the Beatles' fame went meteoric, and was majorly trodden under creatively while in the band by John, a man he idolised, and Paul, who invited him into the band in the first place. As a price he had to spend his life forever a Beatle, forever associated with and compared with the Beatles. That's not something you can change, it permanently alters your life. I can understand his bitterness. I've even seen it posited that he suffered from PTSD from experiencing such intense fame and scrutiny at such a young age.

Yeah, I don't think of him as bitter, just wary of the way Lennon (and to a lesser extent McCartney) inhabited their public roles. He always seemed way more down to earth, in spite of the Krishna bollocks and locking himself away in Berkshire.
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Post by: CaledonianGonzo on October 03, 2013, 10:12:39 AM
From memory, in Michael Palin's diaries he always comes across as a fairly affable chap.
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Post by: leighhart on October 03, 2013, 10:19:45 AM
I can't think of many other musicians who praise themselves so extravagantly but actually manage to live up to that hype like Kanye. He's a rare breed.

with his team of co producers and writers it would be bloody difficult to put a foot wrong
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Tiny Poster on October 03, 2013, 11:00:51 AM
Yeah, he's assembled some great talent.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: leighhart on October 03, 2013, 11:06:01 AM
Yeah, he's assembled some great talent.

Meatloaf
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: momatt on October 03, 2013, 11:22:21 AM
I've never forgiven him for being such a dick to McCoy Tyner, someone whom a tenth-rate boogie-merchant like Holland isn't fit to turn pages for.

Irritating, but also, completely fantastic.  I like to think Tyner did it on purpose to show him who's boss.

He was harping on about the bands non appearance on the show because of the show not time lining when the band were together, not realising that the band had reformed about 10 years ago. Sadly Francis didn't pick him up on it.

Very good point, I forgot that too.  Francis is probably too polite, but that would have been great.

I remember Jools Holland introducing Grandmaster Flash as the "inventor of scratching".  A fine example of how little research he puts in when talking about artists he doesn't care about.

I remember being furious about this at the time!  Perhaps Flash is a cunt for not correcting Jools and taking the credit?
Jools is a wanker, but his 'researchers' also need a slap.
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Post by: Tiny Poster on October 03, 2013, 11:34:13 AM
Meatloaf

yummy
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: doppelkorn on October 03, 2013, 12:18:36 PM
I can't think of many other musicians who praise themselves so extravagantly but actually manage to live up to that hype like Kanye. He's a rare breed.

Yep. I love the way he cleverly rhymes the same word with itself across eight sloppily-delivered lines.
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Post by: ziggy starbucks on October 03, 2013, 12:29:26 PM
Meatloaf

Meatloaf appeared on the front page of my local rag after he forced someone to stop impersonating him

it seemed completely unnecessary

Other cunts might include Van Morrison (pub gig fiasco) and Bruce Springsteen (broken canoe fiasco)
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Kane Jones on October 03, 2013, 12:34:36 PM
Meatloaf appeared on the front page of my local rag after he forced someone to stop impersonating him

it seemed completely unnecessary

You say that, but the guy was following Meatloaf around the streets with a pillow stuffed up his jumper and constantly doing derogatory impressions of his singing voice.  It would get a bit annoying after a while.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: mobias on October 03, 2013, 12:36:54 PM

If we're talking about people who project a pleasant public image while being arseholes in private, then Richard Branson was a right old cunt during the seventies at least.  Famously, he refused to do business with women (if a band or artist had a female manager, he'd just cut her right out of the equation).  Then there's the small matter of him paying his record store staff an absolute pittance, to the extent that one store manager had to actually run out and buy them some food to eat.  The liberal happy hippy businessman image he now projects seems completely at odds with a lot of his behaviour.

In the 70's he certainly made a lot of money off other peoples backs but then again you get the impression that's something he's just very good at. I always felt slightly sorry for Tom Newman. It was Tom's idea to start a record label, buy the Manor house and turn it into a recording studio and it was Tom who discovered Mike Oldfield. Branson and Oldfield then became millionaires and Tom Newman got bugger all for all his trouble. It wasn't until Mike Oldfield took Branson to court and renegotiated his record deal with Virgin in the 80's that Tom Newman got royalties from Tubular Bells. In fact it wasn't until recently that I've even heard Branson acknowledge Tom Newman at all but he has done in recent years.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: 23 Daves on October 03, 2013, 01:57:26 PM
I believe Don Arden was quite a rum fellow in his day, too[1].
 1. above and beyond bringing Sharon Osborne into the world

Despite its crummy super-celeb biography cover designed to appeal to the gossip magazine market, the first half of Sharon Osbourne's biography is actually fascinating, not least because she goes into some depth about Arden's corruption.  In fact, I'd defend Sharon Osbourne on the basis of the fact that while she's a very forthright, aggressive (and probably fucked-up) person, she's only seemed really out-of-line in this instance - http://youtu.be/-L8d4ExlwsA - and history (and Twitter) would prove her completely right on that score.

Arden famously used to get heavies to dangle people upside down out of high windows if they wouldn't come to his conclusions on deals, wouldn't he?  Although I'm not sure whether he did this or whether it was a rumour he just put around to make himself appear more intimidating. 
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Kane Jones on October 03, 2013, 02:14:18 PM

Other cunts might include Van Morrison..

My father-in-law met Van Morrison only the other day and said he was a proper miserable cunt.  "Van the Man? Van the Twat, more like." He quipped.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Vodka Margarine on October 03, 2013, 02:32:47 PM
What about Lou Reed? Famously grouchy and contemptuous of most who dare to cross his threshold, some might say iconically so. Where does the line between 'character' and 'massive cunt' fall, exactly?

My dad saw him (well, paid to see him) play in the 70s and apparently he[1] was so colossally off his tits he only managed to perform very badly for about fifteen minutes before swearing incoherently at the crowd and then lollopping off stage, never to return.

Rock 'n' Roll ANTICS MATE or just the behaviour of a spoiled, irredeemable arsehole?
 1. Lou, not my dad
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: jaydee81 on October 03, 2013, 02:38:35 PM
I'm also going to raise an Adam and Joe reference, but Lou Reed's interview with Lauren Laverne on the Culture Show is a treat for the way he takes to her

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2d8t6_lou-reed-berlin-interview-2007_music

'How have I changed, that would involve me telling you over many drinks... I'll just have to put you on the list of journalists that I'm on love with'.

Somehow I think this makes him more of a cunt. Lauren looks terrified.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Kane Jones on October 03, 2013, 03:26:16 PM
Rock 'n' Roll ANTICS MATE or just the behaviour of a spoiled, irredeemable arsehole?

Steven Tyler from Aerosmith famously came out on stage in 1977 absolutely off his tits on coke and booze.  They opened the set with a song they would normally encore with, so when the song finished, Tyler assumed he had played an entire concert and did the whole "Thank you and goodnight" speech before walking off stage.  Some roadie had to tell him; "Er.. Steve...?"
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Tiny Poster on October 03, 2013, 03:41:22 PM
That's nothing - Paul Gambaccini once got his intro and outro themes mixed up, and, well...

Biggest one there is.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: mobias on October 03, 2013, 03:51:45 PM
What about Lou Reed? Famously grouchy and contemptuous of most who dare to cross his threshold, some might say iconically so. Where does the line between 'character' and 'massive cunt' fall, exactly?

My dad saw him (well, paid to see him) play in the 70s and apparently he[1] was so colossally off his tits he only managed to perform very badly for about fifteen minutes before swearing incoherently at the crowd and then lollopping off stage, never to return.

Rock 'n' Roll ANTICS MATE or just the behaviour of a spoiled, irredeemable arsehole?
 1. Lou, not my dad

I think Lou Reed is much worse to journalists than he is to other people. Also he's someone who you almost accept as a grouchy cunt because he can get away with it. He's Lou Reed. He can do what the fuck he likes.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Famous Mortimer on October 03, 2013, 04:10:11 PM
For the full Lou Reed in the 70s fucked-up-ness, you could do worse than read one of Lester Bangs' books.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Frazer on October 03, 2013, 08:21:26 PM
Lauren Laverne doesn't look terrified to me, quite the opposite. I can understand why he takes to her, what with the whole Star Trek soft glow effect going on.
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Post by: leighhart on October 03, 2013, 10:40:09 PM
Kenickie were tits
proper fun
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: CaledonianGonzo on October 04, 2013, 09:05:50 AM
When L. Laverne did the red carpet premiere for the Stones' Shine A Light movie (broadcast live to Picture House cinemas across the UK), Keith Richards gave her his 'business card'.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: momatt on October 05, 2013, 10:57:52 AM
Keith Richards gave her his 'business card'.

If this is something bad, I will track him down and kick his shins.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: clingfilm portent on October 05, 2013, 08:30:35 PM
The business card reads 'Keith Richards, Guitarist, Philanthropist, Lover'. Then underneath in smaller type ''One of the greats' - Paul Gambaccini'.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: thraxx on October 05, 2013, 08:46:01 PM
Sharon Osbourne's must be CAVERNOUS.  And cancerous.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Maurice Yeatman on October 07, 2013, 12:21:06 AM
Good to see absolutely no mention of Chuck Berry yet. You couldn't meet a nicer fellow.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Chichester Cathedral on October 07, 2013, 05:00:54 AM
Apart from being a pervert who took secret footage of women using the toilet?

http://rulefortytwo.com/secret-rock-knowledge/chapter-8/chuck-berry-bathroom-cameras/

And trafficking that underage prostitute. Or were you joking?
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Tiny Poster on October 07, 2013, 12:20:08 PM
Nothing compared to Gambaccini.
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Post by: Maurice Yeatman on October 07, 2013, 09:35:30 PM
Yes I was joking, and surprised that his name hadn't come up yet given his reputation as a joyless tightwad, the hidden camera story you linked to, his filming himself urinating on an obviously unhappy girlfriend's face, and, hahaha this last bit's going to be funny, releasing My Ding-a-Ling.
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Post by: NoSleep on October 08, 2013, 12:09:40 PM
Who's the bigger cunt though? He who made the record or those who bought it, making it Chuck Berry's sole number 1 hit in the UK? Isaac Hayes similarly poorly served by the British public via Chocolate Salty Balls.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: mook on October 08, 2013, 12:17:29 PM
for years i thought he had coined the term "coolerator" for a fridge, turns out it was an existing brand. i feel cheated, so chuck berry can go in the cunt pile.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: thraxx on October 08, 2013, 12:49:32 PM

Let's not forget about Phil 'Nonce Sense' Collins.  Quite apart from his finger pointing over the Led Zeppelin Live Aid debacle, I remember watching Going Live on a Saturday morning in the 80s, and Phil being interviewed by Sarah Greene about his fabulous new album But Seriously... and him basically being a miserable whining 'musn't gumble' twat; I even recall him saying without any irony that he was 'overworked and underpaid' at one point.  Even at the age of 11 I realised what an extraordinary statement that was for a millionaire musician who had just released the 'sniff sniff, think twice, isn't homeless a bit boo hoo' song... but then again those divorces don't pay for themselves do they Phillip?  WANKER.  Sarah Greene must have been totally unbalanced by him because she went off and married Mike Smith afterwards;
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Post by: PaulTMA on October 08, 2013, 01:33:41 PM
I think you're wrong and should dance into the light.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Maurice Yeatman on October 08, 2013, 10:02:05 PM
Other cunts might include Van Morrison

My father-in-law met Van Morrison only the other day and said he was a proper miserable cunt.  "Van the Man? Van the Twat, more like." He quipped.

Morrison's popularity seems to have waned to the extent that now you're as likely to hear references to his grumpiness and unreasonable demands than you are his music. I think a lot of people got tired of him not even putting up a façade of pleasantness.
John Martyn seems to be held in much more affection, mostly because his music sems to touch people in a way Morrison's doesn't, but also because his front was affable and good-humoured.  But he was often a nasty piece of work too.

Most bands in my experience are twats, never happy for long even when things are going their way, generally immature, and highly likely to thumb their noses at the last moment of a proffered handshake, that never gets old.  Spoiled fuckers.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: NoSleep on October 09, 2013, 05:27:36 AM
John Martyn tried to pay a recording engineer[1] in Parmesan cheese. He was so drunk at the time he was lying flat on his back on his lawn.
 1. a buddy of mine
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: mobias on October 09, 2013, 09:00:17 AM
Let's not forget about Phil 'Nonce Sense' Collins.  Quite apart from his finger pointing over the Led Zeppelin Live Aid debacle, I remember watching Going Live on a Saturday morning in the 80s, and Phil being interviewed by Sarah Greene about his fabulous new album But Seriously... and him basically being a miserable whining 'musn't gumble' twat; I even recall him saying without any irony that he was 'overworked and underpaid' at one point.  Even at the age of 11 I realised what an extraordinary statement that was for a millionaire musician who had just released the 'sniff sniff, think twice, isn't homeless a bit boo hoo' song... but then again those divorces don't pay for themselves do they Phillip?  WANKER.  Sarah Greene must have been totally unbalanced by him because she went off and married Mike Smith afterwards;

Not that I'm a huge apologist for Collin's music but I'm afraid I disagree there. I know various people in the music industry and pretty much everyone says through gritted teeth that the problem with Collins is that he's actually a pretty decent bloke, really down to earth, very generous with his time and just generally pleasant. He was certainly very humble and generous with people I know in a highly successful late 90's art rock band who were going to work with him.

 To be fair on him the Led Zeppelin live aid debacle was entirely down to Led Zeppelin. They didn't want to be there, they weren't getting on at the time, they hadn't rehearsed and they were all drugged out of their nut. None of that was Collins fault. Led Zeppelin fans, and Robert Plant for that matter, would just rather blame someone else for what happened.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Panbaams on October 09, 2013, 12:51:38 PM
On Van Morrison, is the free feed of The Word magazine's podcast still available on iTunes? (I'm at work, I can't check.) Anyway, if you can, check out "The Best of the HORA" (hoary old rock anecdote) podcast from a few years back – there's some great stories in it, including a couple about Van Morrison.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Jamesieab on October 09, 2013, 01:02:33 PM
Gareth Evans, manager of The Stone Roses is quite the twat. See him take credit for almost everything ever and enjoy Mani's incredulous reaction shots.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe9wm8NQx7U (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe9wm8NQx7U)
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Post by: Maurice Yeatman on October 09, 2013, 01:02:56 PM
On Van Morrison, is the free feed of The Word magazine's podcast still available on iTunes? (I'm at work, I can't check.) Anyway, if you can, check out "The Best of the HORA" (hoary old rock anecdote) podcast from a few years back – there's some great stories in it, including a couple about Van Morrison.

Still up - https://itunes.apple.com/gb/podcast/word-podcast-free-edition/id137323360

I guess you mean the harmonica story and the one about the Spike Milligan Q piece!  I remember reading that feature (at Morrison's request he's interviewed for Q magazine by/with Milligan) and thinking Morrison seemed a decent good-humoured chap after all.  Turns out he was an unpleasant git even on that occasion.  Funny stories though.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Absorb the anus burn on October 09, 2013, 01:09:12 PM
I remember watching Going Live on a Saturday morning in the 80s, and Phil being interviewed by Sarah Greene about his fabulous new album But Seriously... and him basically being a miserable whining 'musn't gumble' twat; Sarah Greene must have been totally unbalanced by him because she went off and married Mike Smith afterwards;

It's nothing compared to Greene's antics after interviewing Willie Thorn and Ray Reardon.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Shameless Custard on October 10, 2013, 02:23:42 AM
Let's not forget about Phil 'Nonce Sense' Collins.  Quite apart from his finger pointing over the Led Zeppelin Live Aid debacle, I remember watching Going Live on a Saturday morning in the 80s, and Phil being interviewed by Sarah Greene about his fabulous new album But Seriously... and him basically being a miserable whining 'musn't gumble' twat; I even recall him saying without any irony that he was 'overworked and underpaid' at one point.  Even at the age of 11 I realised what an extraordinary statement that was for a millionaire musician who had just released the 'sniff sniff, think twice, isn't homeless a bit boo hoo' song... but then again those divorces don't pay for themselves do they Phillip?  WANKER.  Sarah Greene must have been totally unbalanced by him because she went off and married Mike Smith afterwards;

Yup, prime cunt, Collins.

I remember him being on Parkinson a few years back, and taking great joy in letting everyone know how very rich he was. With a big, un-ironic, cunty grin on his cunty fucking cunt face

He met Noel Gallagher once in a bar on holiday, and got really offended when he refused to jam with him right there. He moaned about that a lot over the years

Though this possibly contributed:

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The slanging match was started by Oasis when before the 1997 general election when Noel Gallagher warned the public to vote Labour or face Phil Collins returning from tax exile in Switzerland.

Back then Noel said: "People fucking hate cunts like Phil Collins - and if they don't, they fucking should."
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Marissa on October 10, 2013, 03:00:09 AM
Drummer Phil Robinson told me Van Morrison had him beaten up for chatting up, as we used to say, a woman he fancied.

He can't die soon enough for me. (Morrison)
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: mobias on October 10, 2013, 08:56:07 AM
Yup, prime cunt, Collins.

I remember him being on Parkinson a few years back, and taking great joy in letting everyone know how very rich he was. With a big, un-ironic, cunty grin on his cunty fucking cunt face

He met Noel Gallagher once in a bar on holiday, and got really offended when he refused to jam with him right there. He moaned about that a lot over the years



To be fair though I've read many an interview with Noel Gallagher where he's also gone on about how rich he is in a completely non-ironic way. Also having personally met Noel twice I can safely say the man has super potential for being a patronising twat. He didn't come across as a cunt exactly but you could easily see that quality in him raising it's ugly head very easily. He's not someone I'd like to spend any amount of time with. Then again you could say that about at least 75% of rock stars.
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Post by: Tiny Poster on October 10, 2013, 09:14:12 AM
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Back then Noel said: "People fucking hate cunts like Phil Collins - and if they don't, they fucking should."

Black people like him:

(http://www.duckykuek.com/DK%20Hot%20100/2001/images/Urban%20Renewal.jpg)
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Pepotamo1985 on October 10, 2013, 11:00:57 AM
I know various people in the music industry and pretty much everyone says through gritted teeth that the problem with Collins is that he's actually a pretty decent bloke, really down to earth, very generous with his time and just generally pleasant.

Yeah, I think the idea of Phil Collins as some quintessent cunt for the ages is primarily a myth - or a legend based on lots of myths.

In fact, a lot of the really cunty examples of behaviour attributed to him - such as divorcing his wife via fax - are either completely untrue or basic misrepresentations. A lot of this stuff came out when the culture of celebrity destruction was reaching fever pitch and the tabloid press were turning their attention to musicians more and more - rock follies and musical arseholery were becoming en vogue, and his numerous divorces were a goldmine for smut and speculation.

Collins was immensely popular for many years, selling albums by the truckload, and in the space of a year or so at the arse end of the 1980s became immensely naff, before descending to unrivalled unfashionability in the early 1990s. The music industry press, who'd talked up Collins as extremely cool during the early to mid 80s (he was even on the front cover of Kerrang at a time when their standard fare was NWOBHM) felt the need to reverse ferret as his acceptability waned. He was also a vocal Tory at a time when it was totally unacceptable for an artist in any field to be an uncloseted Conservative, and he got absolutely napalmed for his political affiliations.

He was certainly very humble and generous with people I know in a highly successful late 90's art rock band who were going to work with him.

I have similar anecdotal evidence of Collins' charitable behaviour, in this case towards young and inexperienced musicians who wanted a hand and some advice.

To be fair on him the Led Zeppelin live aid debacle was entirely down to Led Zeppelin.

YES.

They didn't want to be there, they weren't getting on at the time, they hadn't rehearsed and they were all drugged out of their nut. None of that was Collins fault.

What's more, half the equipment they'd brought with them wasn't working properly and Jimmy Page's guitar was totally out of tune. He literally hadn't used that axe since Led Zep's last ever gig, and it had been collecting dust and losing tune for five years. Getting the guitar out of storage made him uber-depressed about Bonham's death anew, which he responded to with the usual cocktail of painkillers, booze, cocaine and skag. By the time they hit the stage, he could barely stand and was quite literally a drooling mess.

If memory serves, P & P had also refused to rehearse with the two drummers...at all.

Led Zeppelin fans, and Robert Plant for that matter, would just rather blame someone else for what happened.

In the really fucking excellent Q Magazine LZ special from 03 or whenever (which, horrifyingly, I accidentally binned like a twat a few years ago), Jimmy Page was very forthcoming and humble about how the fiasco was entirely the duo's fault, although when the Live Aid DVD was released he reneged on this position and started blaming Collins again, a position he appears to have maintained in the years since. I think it's quite easy to forget just how unprofessional and generally unpleasant Page & Plant were at the time given that they've airbrushed the performance from history. Not heard about Robert Plant laying the blame at Collins' feet for the fiasco - I thought they were close friends (at least at one point).
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: holyzombiejesus on October 10, 2013, 12:34:51 PM
Gambacinni's on Radio 4 NOW! He's sticking up for Earth, Wind & Fire and talking about afros.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Tiny Poster on October 10, 2013, 12:41:03 PM
CUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNT
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: mobias on October 10, 2013, 12:41:11 PM
Other evidence of Collins not being cunt is his generosity towards a couple of the bigger early Genesis tribute acts out there.  Giving them copies of his notes from back in the day, giving them advice on their sound and even donating some old equipment and performing live with one of them a few years ago. All of which for a man who by his own admission isn't a huge fan of the Gabriel era Genesis stuff is fairy decent behaviour. Unfortunately for those who genuinely hate the man and his music a cunt the man is not.

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Post by: TheMonk on October 10, 2013, 12:44:30 PM
The thing with Phil Collins is I think he's quite often defensive in interviews after years of negative press so occasionally comes off as bristly.
There's a decent doco following him around on tour on youtube that sums him up pretty well :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZPk2NChMa0
I found it surprising how much reading the reviews get to him. You'd think he'd want to ignore them after all these years.

But you've got to be impressed by his getting up to perform with laryngitis so bad he can hardly speak let alone sing. Not many of your current generation artists would have anything nearing the commitment to the task he shows here. Gotta admire that.

His manager though, surprised the bloke at 35:50 didn't thump him.
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Post by: Mildly Diverting on October 10, 2013, 12:50:50 PM
I also recall a story of him loaning a substantial amount of cash to a neighbour he hardly knew after the guy gave him a sob story about his business going under.

I'm leaning to a not-a-cunt verdict.

Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: PaulTMA on October 10, 2013, 12:56:13 PM
A friend of mine posted a link on Facebook a few years ago, to an article reporting how PC had to give up playing the drums for medical reasons, as he simply can't hold the sticks in his hand anymore.   Cue lots of "hahahaa, worra cunt, hahahaha bye don't come back" nastiness, which seemed beyond harsh.

The joke was on him, as Phil was on ITV singing Motown hits with the keys lowered by three whole tones within a year.  Wouldn't you prefer he was drumming instead?

Even then, that TV special was extremely easy to ignore.  Phil Collins hasn't even been capable of annoying anyone since 1993 or perhaps 1996, as he's been almost completely off the radar.  The only possibly exception would be his Disney thing Grammy win, which was shoved down everyone's throat at least 0.000000000000001% as much as the last single from ...But Seriously.

What I'm saying is, if you think Phil Collins deserves taking down a peg at this stage, then you're a racist.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Serge on October 10, 2013, 01:05:28 PM
Gambacinni's on Radio 4 NOW! He's sticking up for Earth, Wind & Fire and talking about afros.

Nothing wrong with Earth, Wind and Fire!
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Don_Preston on October 10, 2013, 01:09:30 PM
My mate was once kicked to death by Paul Gambacinni after a falling out over the name of Aquaman's dolphin.
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Post by: Petey Pate on October 10, 2013, 01:18:31 PM
Why does he have to defend Earth, Wind and Fire?  Playing this would suffice...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DZbUaXntyA
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: momatt on October 10, 2013, 02:07:28 PM
Why does he have to defend Earth, Wind and Fire?  Playing this would suffice...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DZbUaXntyA

Or any other of their songs!
The fact that Paul Gambacinni even thinks that Earth, Wind and Fire need defending makes him a colossal über-cunt.
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Post by: 23 Daves on October 10, 2013, 02:16:38 PM
Gareth Evans, manager of The Stone Roses is quite the twat. See him take credit for almost everything ever and enjoy Mani's incredulous reaction shots.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe9wm8NQx7U (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe9wm8NQx7U)

I think Gareth Evans is hilarious in that.  He's either completely taking the piss, or he's so lacking in self-awareness he doesn't know how ridiculous he sounds (I'd strongly lean towards the latter). 

"Now, he'll never admit it, but I've splashed some paint around some canvasses with John Squire".
"I'm a hairdresser. I know all about fashion.  I sorted them out their togs".

He's like a notorious pub liar. "Of course, I wrote all the Roses songs while serving in the SAS".
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Post by: holyzombiejesus on October 10, 2013, 02:45:19 PM
Nothing wrong with Earth, Wind and Fire!

He was talking about the elements on a programme about natural disasters. That bloke whose family got killed in Hurrican Katrina was well angry.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Don_Preston on October 10, 2013, 02:54:49 PM
Rumour has it that Paul Gambaccini orchestrated the Sarin gassing of the Tokyo Subway in 1995. Asked why, he said he didn't like Melt-Banana.
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Post by: TheMonk on October 10, 2013, 04:02:16 PM
Speaking of Phil Collins and Earth, Wind And Fire, apparently this happened in 2000:
From the Guardian

Pop Star Claims Hollow Victory In Cash Battle Julia Hartley-Brewer
Multi-millionaire pop star Phil Collins yesterday won almost pounds 250,000 in a high court battle over royalties with two impoverished members of his former backing band, only to be told he would never collect most of the money owed. The judge ruled that the singer had overpaid the horn players a total of pounds 244,000 in royalties because of an accounting error, but made it clear that the two men, who have no other regular income, will not have to repay any of the money 'out of their own pockets'.
In his ruling Mr Justice Jonathan Parker awarded the pop star's company, Philip Collins Ltd, only half of the amount sought from trumpeter Louis Satterfield, 51, and trombonist Rahmlee Davis, 63, because the overpayment had not been their fault. The judge, who at the start of the case commented that the amounts in dispute were 'not much', said it was 'highly regrettable' that the matter had not been resolved before it came to court.
Collins, who is believed to be worth pounds 300m, had never attempted to compel the two men to pay back the overpaid royalties, asking only for all future payments to be stopped. But the judge said it was 'highly improbable' that the future royalty payments of about pounds 12,500 a year each would ever cover the sum owed to the pop star. In practice, Collins would 'only recover a small part of the amount to which he is entitled'.
Davis and Satterfield, who had played with Jackie Wilson, Aretha Franklin and Chuck Berry, were founder members of the Phoenix Horns, who performed with the 1970s group Earth Wind and Fire. Despite helping Phil Collins launch his solo career in 1979 after leaving Genesis, the court heard that the two men were now penniless, with Satterfield living on benefits while Davis had been forced to pawn his musical instruments.
The two men performed on several successful Phil Collins albums, including Face Value in 1981, and But Seriously in 1989, for which they received session and touring fees. They also appeared on Serious Hits Live, recorded during the singer's 1990 tour, for which they received royalties worth hundreds of thousands of pounds. But those royalty payments were terminated in 1996 when the chief accountant at Philip Collins Ltd realised the horn players had been paid royalties for all 15 tracks on the album, despite playing on only five songs. He wrote to them explaining they had each been overpaid Dollars 345,000 for worldwide sales of the album and pounds 29,000 for sales in the UK.
Davis, from California, and Satterfield, from Chicago, began proceedings against Collins in California in 1997 claiming they were entitled to full royalties and damages, and accusing the star's company of being 'oppressive, fraudulent and malicious'.
But this action was suspended to allow Philip Collins Ltd to bring a case in London after the US court ruled that the pair's contracts were signed under English law.
Yesterday the judge ruled that the pair should only have been paid on a pro rata basis for the five tracks on which they performed. But he said the Phoenix Horns had 'made an important contribution to the success of the albums on which they performed' and criticised the way in which they were informed of the decision to cease royalty payments as leaving 'a great deal to be desired'.
The question of costs will be decided at a further hearing, but Davis and Satterfield were represented by lawyers working on a no win, no fee basis.
The horn players' solicitor, Franco Barone, of Rakisons, described the ruling as 'a judgment of Solomon'. He said: 'I think it's morally disgraceful that Phil Collins has gone this far over what is, for him, a pittance when my clients have no other regular source of income.'
© The Guardian
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: kngen on October 10, 2013, 04:33:59 PM
To be fair though I've read many an interview with Noel Gallagher where he's also gone on about how rich he is in a completely non-ironic way. Also having personally met Noel twice I can safely say the man has super potential for being a patronising twat. He didn't come across as a cunt exactly but you could easily see that quality in him raising it's ugly head very easily. He's not someone I'd like to spend any amount of time with. Then again you could say that about at least 75% of rock stars.

I'd have to say Noel Gallagher is definitely one of the nicer, more accommodating stars I've ever met. But that was not long after What's the Story came out, so he was still new to the international superstar game. I'd imagine you'd have to be of pretty resolute character to remain grounded in the face of 24/7 360-degree sycophancy and cossetting, so it wouldn't surprise me if he has become a cunt in the meantime.

I've never met Phil Collins, but the whole  'you're dumped' fax/paint can on the piano/Another Day in Paradise while evicting travellers from Genesis's private island has never really painted him in a great light, nonetheless
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Pepotamo1985 on October 10, 2013, 04:41:36 PM
the whole  'you're dumped' fax

This didn't happen.

Another Day in Paradise while evicting travellers from Genesis's private island has never really painted him in a great light, nonetheless

Please tell me this happened.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: clingfilm portent on October 10, 2013, 04:42:39 PM
Who cares? You Can't Hurry Love seals the deal on that prat
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: kngen on October 10, 2013, 04:53:06 PM
This didn't happen.

Oh really? Oh well, another hoary old rock tale bites the dust!
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Please tell me this happened.

It was a news story in the NME when the song was in the charts - Collins et al criticised by Shelter for the hypocrisy. Will have a look and see if I can find it anywhere.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: thraxx on October 10, 2013, 05:43:27 PM
I'm sorry but you can't surely expect me to let these facts get in the way of my totally unjustified hatred of Phil Colllins.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Shameless Custard on October 10, 2013, 06:19:39 PM
I know, right?

Stop making Phil Collins seem reasonable

It's confusing
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: mobias on October 10, 2013, 07:01:35 PM

It was a news story in the NME when the song was in the charts - Collins et al criticised by Shelter for the hypocrisy. Will have a look and see if I can find it anywhere.

It must be true then since the NME would certainly never dream of printing anything but the truth especially when it comes to reporting stories on someone they utterly despise and have it in for.

Who cares? You Can't Hurry Love seals the deal on that prat

To be fair though you can't hurry love and it is a game of give or take. The Supremes may have written those words of wisdom but it took Phil Collins to actually articulate them properly. I mean Easy Lover contains pretty much everything you need to look out for in an opportunistic beautiful women. Those lyrics have stood me in good stead since I first started seeing girls. All the lessons are there sung by a man who knows everything there is to know about dating opportunistic beautiful women. And as for Su Su Sussudio (oh oh) Phil nailed love to the cross with that one.   
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: PaulTMA on October 10, 2013, 07:27:18 PM
If you queue up several out-of-sync videos Youtube videos of Dance Into The Light, it sounds strangely like Animal Collective.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: thraxx on October 10, 2013, 07:54:45 PM
It must be true then since the NME would certainly never dream of printing anything but the truth especially when it comes to reporting stories on someone they utterly despise and have it in for.

To be fair though you can't hurry love and it is a game of give or take. The Supremes may have written those words of wisdom but it took Phil Collins to actually articulate them properly. I mean Easy Lover contains pretty much everything you need to look out for in an opportunistic beautiful women. Those lyrics have stood me in good stead since I first started seeing girls. All the lessons are there sung by a man who knows everything there is to know about dating opportunistic beautiful women. And as for Su Su Sussudio (oh oh) Phil nailed love to the cross with that one.

That song is better if you sing 'You can't hurry slugs' instead.  And truer.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Marissa on October 11, 2013, 05:53:35 PM
Sharon Osbourne's must be CAVERNOUS.  And cancerous.

And cantankerous. And rancourous. And Paul Dacre-ous.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: non capisco on October 11, 2013, 06:20:14 PM
And as for Su Su Sussudio (oh oh) Phil nailed love to the cross with that one.

I've mentioned this before and, goddmanit, I'll mention it again. In one of the verses of Sussudio, at 2'14" in the linked video in fact, the backing singers suddenly shout "WANK!". The song suddenly becomes self-aware and starts criticizing itself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0qBaBb1Y-U

Definitely happens. WANK!

Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Don_Preston on October 11, 2013, 09:51:14 PM
Paul Gambaccini once did a shit in a stew I had made. What a bastard. I had to throw half of it away.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Geraint on October 28, 2013, 03:20:38 PM
https://twitter.com/PaulGambaccini/status/394785667252637696
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Glebe on October 28, 2013, 06:15:07 PM
There are numerous recorded instances of various members of Metallica acting cuntish, although I'm sure there are a ton of other bands out there who are equality guilty of being wankers. Jason Newsted suffered a protracted hazing (including being tricked into eating a ball of wasabi) when he joined after Cliff Burton's death, apparently using Newsted as a punch bag was a way of dealing with their grief.

Van Morrison once chased a journalist who had just interviewed him because Morrison saw him walk past his house after the interview and thought he was trying to stalk him or something.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Don_Preston on October 28, 2013, 06:42:19 PM
Paul Gambaccini once dumped a fax machine by one of his exes. Horrible.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Tiny Poster on October 28, 2013, 06:54:52 PM
https://twitter.com/PaulGambaccini/status/394785667252637696 (https://twitter.com/PaulGambaccini/status/394785667252637696)

I mean JESUS
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: momatt on October 29, 2013, 04:13:05 PM
I mean JESUS
LOOK AT HIS FUCKING CUNTY FACE!
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Tiny Poster on October 29, 2013, 04:15:23 PM
Why isn't this thread just called "Paul Gambaccini" by now?
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: chand on October 29, 2013, 04:32:44 PM
Why isn't this thread just called "Paul Gambaccini" by now?

My guess is Gambo's got some friends in high places, all I'm sayin'.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Tiny Poster on October 29, 2013, 04:38:07 PM
GAMBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

YOU LINE-TOER
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: NoSleep on October 29, 2013, 05:17:20 PM
At long last.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Tiny Poster on October 29, 2013, 06:06:25 PM
Just received a Twitter notification informing me that 7 CaB posters have just started following Gambaccini. Has this thread taught them fuck all and nothing?
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Subtle Mocking on October 29, 2013, 06:08:43 PM
Just received a Twitter notification informing me that 7 CaB posters have just started following Gambaccini. Has this thread taught them fuck all and nothing?

You sure it isn't this parody account? https://twitter.com/PauIGambaccini
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Tiny Poster on October 29, 2013, 06:26:42 PM
WHAT.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: momatt on October 29, 2013, 07:06:40 PM
You sure it isn't this parody account? https://twitter.com/PauIGambaccini

Ha, that is fucking brilliant.  Took me a while to work out the difference in URLs.
Is it one of you?

Quote
Sad to hear of the passing of Keith Moon. Only have one bar, so can only say “what a drummerer.”

Quote
Only just heard about the sad passing of Buddy Holly. I was creosoting the fence and had left phone in the kitchen for safety.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Subtle Mocking on November 01, 2013, 06:02:33 PM
You guys got it right again: http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24779908#TWEET942236
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Tiny Poster on November 01, 2013, 06:06:47 PM
Gamb-no
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Geraint on November 01, 2013, 06:28:12 PM
who is there left to Comment on this?
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: An Actual Propeller on November 01, 2013, 06:40:27 PM
My guess is Gambo's got some friends in high places, all I'm sayin'.

He'll fucking need 'em.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: momatt on November 01, 2013, 10:53:32 PM
You guys got it right again: http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24779908#TWEET942236

This has made my day.  It's truly beautiful.  Just saw it on the news and nobody I was with quite understood why I was so fucking delighted.
Unfortunately it seems https://twitter.com/PauIGambaccini has disappeared now.  :(

Perfect:
"He was due to present a 30-minute documentary for Radio 4 about the music world's reaction to the assassination of President John F Kennedy, to coincide with the 50th anniversary of his death."

This pic is fantastic too:
(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/70853000/jpg/_70853778_70853773.jpg)
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: lazyhour on November 01, 2013, 11:17:54 PM
Innocent til proven guilty, my gleeful bros!
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Subtle Mocking on November 01, 2013, 11:19:18 PM
Innocent til proven guilty, my gleeful bros!

I'd much rather he be found innocent because that would mean nobody was harmed.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: lazyhour on November 01, 2013, 11:29:35 PM
I think that was my point! Unless you're being subtly amusing and I'm too tired to spot it...
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Subtle Mocking on November 01, 2013, 11:31:44 PM
In which case I've entirely missed what you were getting at with that post. My apologies.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: lazyhour on November 01, 2013, 11:38:36 PM
I was attempting to make a disapproving noise at any hand-rubbing Gambo-crowers in the thread, reminding them that the man has been found guilty of nothing.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Spiteface on November 02, 2013, 12:39:26 AM
who is there left to Comment on this?

Stuart Maconie?
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Famous Mortimer on November 02, 2013, 06:17:55 AM

Perfect:
"He was due to present a 30-minute documentary for Radio 4 about the music world's reaction to the assassination of President John F Kennedy, to coincide with the 50th anniversary of his death."
Wow, that conspiracy reaches deep!

It's had to say stuff like "this is pretty amusing, after how he's been" but then he might well have fucked a load of kids, which isn't (all that) amusing. Unless he was wearing a clown outfit or something[1].
 1. this isn't my joke, but I can't remember who did it, but on the off chance one of you recognises it I won't claim it for myself
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: momatt on November 05, 2013, 10:02:22 AM
I'd much rather he be found innocent because that would mean nobody was harmed.

Ok, that's a fair point.  Got a bit carried away with glee.
Can he be found guilty of a horrid and embarrassing crime where nobody got hurt instead then please?
Like lightly slapping a cow in the face with his nob, or fucking a space-hopper or something?
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Subtle Mocking on November 05, 2013, 10:05:28 AM
Or buying alcohol for underage geese?
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: NoSleep on November 05, 2013, 10:20:44 AM
I was attempting to make a disapproving noise at any hand-rubbing Gambo-crowers in the thread, reminding them that the man has been found guilty of nothing.

Are his crimes against music not sufficient?
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: chand on November 05, 2013, 11:34:56 AM
who is there left to Comment on this?

John Robb, most likely. Gambo's sad demise will be the making of John Robb, I tell you. I saw him interviewed on the news the other day about HS2. "John Robb, what do you think about trains, in your capacity as the guy out of Goldblade?", they asked, and he fucking answered, at length, all "Hi I'm John Robb and here is my opinion about a putative rail expansion". Just shameless. I guess they couldn't get hold of anyone from Rachel Stamp.

Indeed, John Robb has already positioned himself at the very forefront of telling us which rockers have carked it with his now-deleted tweet announcing that he was "so sad to be the first UK website" to report Lou Reed's death.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: doppelkorn on November 05, 2013, 01:56:07 PM
No way! Is that true about that tweet?

Fucking John Robb.

When I was reading that all I could picture was fucking Mark Kermode. They both have quiffs you see.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: chand on November 05, 2013, 02:27:02 PM
No way! Is that true about that tweet?.

Yeah, he got a bit of stick about it and he did apologise in fairness.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: boki on November 05, 2013, 11:37:38 PM
I think what he meant to say was that his was the first award-winning punky punk-rock website about punk to report it, punk.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: McQ on November 08, 2013, 08:56:05 AM
John Robb, most likely. Gambo's sad demise will be the making of John Robb, I tell you. I saw him interviewed on the news the other day about HS2. "John Robb, what do you think about trains, in your capacity as the guy out of Goldblade?", they asked, and he fucking answered, at length, all "Hi I'm John Robb and here is my opinion about a putative rail expansion". Just shameless. I guess they couldn't get hold of anyone from Rachel Stamp.

Indeed, John Robb has already positioned himself at the very forefront of telling us which rockers have carked it with his now-deleted tweet announcing that he was "so sad to be the first UK website" to report Lou Reed's death.

Think yourself lucky you don't live in Manchester (or maybe you do, I don't know) because you'd see him everywhere you go. I often spot him coming out of the Eighth Day or at various gigs and such. I award myself points for each time I spot him. Also, me and my friend Aziza have come up with a term for when you think you've spotted John Robb, but were in fact mistaken, and it was just someone that looked a bit like him. That's known as, "a non-Robb."

EDIT: You do live in Manchester, I just checked. So, you know all about this already.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: chand on November 08, 2013, 11:00:38 AM
I did live in Manchester til earlier this year, am in Bristol now. I saw him once I think but then I never got out much.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: McQ on November 08, 2013, 12:24:30 PM
I've just realised who you are on Twitter! Confusing, this, isn't it? (The internet, I mean.)
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: chand on November 08, 2013, 12:34:10 PM
Hmm, I don't know who you are on Twitter. Do I follow you?
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: boki on November 08, 2013, 12:55:03 PM
Hmm, I don't know who you are on Twitter.

{have a little look at the globe icon under his avatar}
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: chand on November 08, 2013, 02:08:31 PM
{have a little look at the globe icon under his avatar}

Good shout, yes I do.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Famous Mortimer on November 20, 2013, 07:04:34 AM
Making a strong bid for inclusion in this thread, former lead singer of Noir Desir, Bertrand Cantat:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24991534

Murdered his girlfriend in 2003, then got released in 2007 at least partly due to the tireless efforts of his wife, who'd stuck by him before, during and after his trial. Then, three years after he got out, his wife hanged herself, leaving behind numerous letters and messages where she alleged psychological and physical abuse from him. French magistrates are re-opening the case of her suicide, it would seem.

Then, just for a bit of an encore, he gave an interview where he talked about how much he loved the woman he beat to death, and sort of brushes off why his wife decided to kill herself. Also, he complains about becoming the poster boy for violence against women.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: chand on November 20, 2013, 08:58:43 AM
Quote
In the interview Cantat complains of how the "media circus" twisted the events of Vilnius; how "my own story was stolen from me"; and how "my view of events, my testimony was given no space".

"My remorse, my suffering, my sensitivity - it didn't count for anything in the story. I became a caricature. The fact that I love Marie so much - it was wiped. All they wanted was what was sordid. What was beautiful was hidden," he said.

"Man, these people in the legal system just keep going on and on about the whole beating-a-woman-to-death thing! What about all the times I didn't beat a woman to death?"
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Glebe on November 20, 2013, 09:23:43 AM
I've never heard of this guy but fucking hell, what an unspeakable cunting twating piece of shit.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: George Oscar Bluth II on November 20, 2013, 12:47:52 PM
So...his point is that we don't spend enough time thinking about the feelings of murderers?

Huh.

He wins the thread.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: thraxx on November 20, 2013, 01:32:16 PM
Making a strong bid for inclusion in this thread, former lead singer of Noir Desir, Bertrand Cantat:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24991534

Murdered his girlfriend in 2003, then got released in 2007 at least partly due to the tireless efforts of his wife, who'd stuck by him before, during and after his trial. Then, three years after he got out, his wife hanged herself, leaving behind numerous letters and messages where she alleged psychological and physical abuse from him. French magistrates are re-opening the case of her suicide, it would seem.

Then, just for a bit of an encore, he gave an interview where he talked about how much he loved the woman he beat to death, and sort of brushes off why his wife decided to kill herself. Also, he complains about becoming the poster boy for violence against women.

I think I mentioned him earlier on in the thread but couldn't recall his name:  in any case, he's certainly a bit of a wally.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Lisa Jesusandmarychain on November 20, 2013, 01:33:50 PM
He's such a ladykiller!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!ohalrightImacunt

NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEW PAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE-UH!
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: NoSleep on November 20, 2013, 02:21:39 PM
So...his point is that we don't spend enough time thinking about the feelings of murderers?

Huh.

He wins the thread.

Nah, he's just a simple murderer. What are his crimes against musicians and music compared to Paul Gambacini's?
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Paaaaul on November 20, 2013, 02:32:15 PM
Think yourself lucky you don't live in Manchester (or maybe you do, I don't know) because you'd see him everywhere you go. I often spot him coming out of the Eighth Day or at various gigs and such. I award myself points for each time I spot him. Also, me and my friend Aziza have come up with a term for when you think you've spotted John Robb, but were in fact mistaken, and it was just someone that looked a bit like him. That's known as, "a non-Robb."

EDIT: You do live in Manchester, I just checked. So, you know all about this already.
He comes to a festival in Norwich every year, and for the duration me and my friend do the opposite.We give each other -1 points when either of us see him for the first time in a venue each evening. This is because he almost always makes a bee-line to see the worst of the bands, and being in a room with him is almost always a guarantee of seeing a lazy Jam or Clash inspired group.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: boki on November 20, 2013, 08:50:11 PM
He comes to a festival in Norwich every year, and for the duration me and my friend do the opposite.We give each other -1 points when either of us see him for the first time in a venue each evening. This is because he almost always makes a bee-line to see the worst of the bands, and being in a room with him is almost always a guarantee of seeing a lazy Jam or Clash inspired group.
But that's well punk, mate. PUNK.

If any of you do see him, can you ask him when he's actually releasing the Evil Blizzard album? I want my twelve pink inches. And also the vinyl disc with the album on it.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Mark Steels Stockbroker on November 20, 2013, 10:21:20 PM
I would imagine the problem with talking to Noel Gallagher is he just doesn't have enough interesting opinions about music. Interviews indicate he's not that different from all the Nuts-reading bores like Dave Whatsisname who picked up a guitar to learn Wonderwall and then gave up because it was too difficult. A world of difference from Johnny Marr, who may not have delivered too many brilliant things in recent years but definitely has a wider range of musical interests and could say more about them. So I wouldn't mind all the Rich Man's Blues which he would mix in with it as well.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: boki on November 21, 2013, 06:16:14 PM
I would imagine the problem with talking to Noel Gallagher is he just doesn't have enough interesting opinions about music.
He recently gave an interview in which he dismissed the very concept of reading fiction. Whilst a lot of this is probably yer typical attention-grabbing media trolling, that kind of attitude towards creative writing would explain why he's written so many awful lyrics. He's just a bit of a pantomime villain, though, really.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Glebe on November 21, 2013, 11:47:42 PM
He recently gave an interview in which he dismissed the very concept of reading fiction.

He's clearly never read any Beatles lyrics, then.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: phantom_power on November 22, 2013, 09:04:49 AM
Whilst a lot of this is probably yer typical attention-grabbing media trolling

Or, joking
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: momatt on November 22, 2013, 09:10:03 AM
I've never heard of this guy but fucking hell, what an unspeakable cunting twating piece of shit.

But, was his music any good?
And did he ever have to postpone commenting on a famous music death, by some pesky social gathering?
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: boki on November 22, 2013, 10:14:56 AM
Or, joking
More for the profit than the fun, though.  Reminds me a fair bit of Steven Gerrard, does Arrrkid[1].
 1. I bet he'd love being compared to a scouser, too
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: millwall32 on May 09, 2021, 12:15:42 PM
That "Trouble at the Top" documentary on the BBC years ago is a weirdly fascinating look at the Buck's Fizz/Van Day fiasco.

I quite like his idea of modernising the skirt-ripping bit of "Making Your Mind Up" by making the two girls in the group open their tops, revealing skimpy bras underneath, because he felt the 90's were "The Boob Age"

THIS ACTUALLY HAPPENED. (http://youtu.be/UraAPH4HD7g?t=26m29s)
I love that documentary. I've rewatched it dozens of times.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Brundle-Fly on May 09, 2021, 12:51:00 PM
I love that documentary. I've rewatched it dozens of times.

Over the past seven and a half years?
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: millwall32 on May 09, 2021, 01:10:31 PM
Over the past seven and a half years?
Yep.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: crankshaft on May 09, 2021, 01:13:20 PM
I've watched it many times. One of the all-time greats. Pure, hilarious, desolation. Van Day is such a panto villain. I don't doubt that he's a proper cunt, though.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: PeterCornelius on May 09, 2021, 02:40:22 PM
As in the tags, Mike Love. There's so much wrong with that cunt I wouldn't know where to start.

I'll plump for an old CaB favourite, Jess Conrad. From biting a bit of Heinz's nose off, to threatening to cut off Frankie Howerd's ears, to being a fucking Freemason, he's an endless goodie bag of cuntitude. And with some of the worst songs ever committed to record as the cherry on top of the cunt cupcake: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGESxjqHf7E

Did Jess really bite a bit of Heinz's nose off? Say it ain't so.

On the other hand...

(https://resizing.flixster.com/z2QyB_PlltoWoylJlvXB_ivjaA8=/506x652/v2/https://flxt.tmsimg.com/v9/AllPhotos/77902/77902_v9_aa.jpg)

Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Oz Oz Alice on May 09, 2021, 02:44:59 PM
He comes to a festival in Norwich every year, and for the duration me and my friend do the opposite.We give each other -1 points when either of us see him for the first time in a venue each evening. This is because he almost always makes a bee-line to see the worst of the bands, and being in a room with him is almost always a guarantee of seeing a lazy Jam or Clash inspired group.

I'm actually going to defend John Robb here, he's always been very nice to me whenever I've encountered him even if he does spend most of his time commenting on the deaths of famous people and posting asinine things on the internet. This was a favourite a while ago:
(https://i.ibb.co/8d5Vg3z/john-robb.jpg)

Spot the odd one out!
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Kankurette on May 09, 2021, 02:45:04 PM
One of these musicians is not like the others! One of these musicians doesn't belong!

I don't think you can get any cuntier than Varg Vikernes. Apparently he has his own racist Magic: The Gathering-type card game.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Jockice on May 09, 2021, 02:51:35 PM
I've met and spoken to John Robb four times in my life. On the last three occasions I've mentioned having previously met him. On each of these occasions he's looked puzzled and said: "Have we?'' I mean I know I'm a particularly dull and uninteresting person but for fuck's sake.

I was also at a Paul McCartney concert in Liverpool and found I was stood in the middle between him and Tom O'Connor. Bet not many people can say that. But when all the different Buzzcocks line-ups played Manchester Apollo he blocked my view by standing in front of me all night. The tall twat.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Mr Banlon on May 09, 2021, 03:17:41 PM
Did Jess really bite a bit of Heinz's nose off? Say it ain't so.

On the other hand...

(https://resizing.flixster.com/z2QyB_PlltoWoylJlvXB_ivjaA8=/506x652/v2/https://flxt.tmsimg.com/v9/AllPhotos/77902/77902_v9_aa.jpg)
The Kenny Noye of pop.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Glebe on May 09, 2021, 03:24:09 PM
Peter Purves has let himself go sinister.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 09, 2021, 06:54:58 PM
I'm sure Scooter Braun has probably been mentioned before but since this is a bumped thread he probably could do with being mentioned again. I think him holding on to the masters to some of Taylor Swift's earlier work is why she's re-recorded them, and since she has the publishing rights of the songs she can veto the old ones from being used, thus decreasing their value.

https://www.inc.com/justin-bariso/taylor-swift-was-stripped-of-her-lifes-work-her-response-was-a-master-class-in-emotional-intelligence.html?utm_source=pocket-newtab-global-en-GB

That of course is recent, but the thing that made me aware of him and think he was a cunt was on some BBC Four doc about managers and how he'd basically trawl youtube and pick up young artists and lock them in, they used Bieber as an example of that. Of course he's not the only one but he seemed to stand out in a documentary about music executives.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: OnlyRegisteredSoICanRead on May 09, 2021, 07:20:18 PM
I'm sure Scooter Braun has probably been mentioned before but since this is a bumped thread he probably could do with being mentioned again.

Is that the guy out of Scooter with the short blond hair?
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: PeterCornelius on May 10, 2021, 12:22:07 AM
The Kenny Noye of pop.
Inspired ... and very accurate!
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Jockice on May 10, 2021, 05:44:55 AM
I'm actually going to defend John Robb here, he's always been very nice to me whenever I've encountered him even if he does spend most of his time commenting on the deaths of famous people and posting asinine things on the internet. This was a favourite a while ago:
(https://i.ibb.co/8d5Vg3z/john-robb.jpg)

Spot the odd one out!

Is it The Fall? Cos their singer's dead.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: buzby on May 10, 2021, 10:15:07 AM
I'm sure Scooter Braun has probably been mentioned before but since this is a bumped thread he probably could do with being mentioned again. I think him holding on to the masters to some of Taylor Swift's earlier work is why she's re-recorded them, and since she has the publishing rights of the songs she can veto the old ones from being used, thus decreasing their value.
She can only veto them for licencing use. Braun held the mechanical copyright of the original masters (he sold them to Shamrock Holdings a year after buying her label) so could still sell physical copies and publish them on streaming and downkoad services. What Swift did is nothing new - artists going back to the 1950s used to routinely re-record their hits each time they changed label, so their new label didn't have to deal with their old labels to licence the recordings for compilations.

She described the sale of the label as 'being stripped of her life's work', which is a bit of an exaggeration - she didn't own the copyright of the recordings in the first place. If she cared that much about owning them, she could have bought Big Machine herself to get them back before Braun's interest - her father was a shareholder in the label so she knew about the prospective deal with Braun, and he paid $300m for the label which I'm sure she could have afforded (or would have been able to finance based on future returns). She will still get the publishing and her cut of the mechanical royalties for every sale or stream of her back catalogue. The only issue for her is that Braun now gets a cut of the label's share (it was part of the deal with Shamrock Holdings).
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: The Culture Bunker on May 10, 2021, 10:44:06 AM
I was also at a Paul McCartney concert in Liverpool and found I was stood in the middle between him and Tom O'Connor. Bet not many people can say that. But when all the different Buzzcocks line-ups played Manchester Apollo he blocked my view by standing in front of me all night. The tall twat.
I was once in close proximity (ie all of us with about 5m of each other) to John Robb, Marc Riley, Tim Burgess and Lawrence. Burgess the odd man out there by virtue of having had a few hits, I suppose. And he seemed like a nice chap too. I think poor Lawrence felt tiny having Riley, Robb and myself (6ft 5) looming around his strange presence.

Mentions of Damon Gough earlier in the thread - he was on the radio the other day (it may have been a repeat) talking about his struggles with alcoholism and mental health, which may explain his past behaviour.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: OnlyRegisteredSoICanRead on May 10, 2021, 10:55:53 AM
5 Miles isn't that close.


Anyway, isn't it that Ian Watkin's fellow? His diva behaviour on the 12th series of Dancing on Ice, disgusting.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: PeterCornelius on May 10, 2021, 12:18:59 PM
By all accounts, Lonnie Donegan was extremely difficult to work with and had a hugely inflated ego. Whenever he was asked about his part in the development of English rock music, he would routinely reply, "all roads lead to Lon". He'd also bore the arse of journalists with his "I should be a millionaire several times over from the sales of Rock Island Line" moanfest. Wagging his finger, he'd tell them that he'd only made £3.50 from the session, where'd recorded 4 other songs, which works out at 70p a song...

Which makes his treatment of Justin Hayward all the more surprising. When Justin was a struggling musician/songwriter in the mid-60s, Lonnie signed him to his publishing company after hearing Nights in White Satin. Justin was advised not to but ended up signing away the publishing royalties to his songs up to 1974. I'm 99% certain that Donegan's estate hold the rights to NiWS in perpetuity. Lonnie resisted all attempts by Justin to renegotiate the deal and ended with a Spanish villa and a very comfortable lifestyle.

Now you may say that there's no sentiment in business. Very true, but Lonnie gave Justin a shit deal and he knew it. IMHO, as the older, more experienced artist he should have done the right thing and re-negotiated.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: NoSleep on May 10, 2021, 12:33:54 PM
Now you may say that there's no sentiment in business. Very true, but Lonnie gave Justin a shit deal and he knew it. IMHO, as the older, more experienced artist he should have done the right thing and re-negotiated.

Being ripped off often leads to the rippee treating others similarly down the line, the wrong lessons having been learned from the experience.

Radiohead got sued by The Hollies for a stock chord sequence they had merely used beforehand, then Radiohead later sued Lana Del Rey for the same chord sequence, which is creepy.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: The Culture Bunker on May 10, 2021, 12:36:55 PM
Radiohead got sued by The Hollies for a stock chord sequence they had merely used beforehand
It wasn't the Hollies who sued, but the publishers of 'The Air That I Breathe" (written by Albert "Bootleg" Hammond and Mike Hazelwood).
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: PeterCornelius on May 10, 2021, 12:44:23 PM
Being ripped off often leads to the rippee treating others similarly down the line, the wrong lessons having been learned from the experience.

Radiohead got sued by The Hollies for a stock chord sequence they had merely used beforehand, then Radiohead later sued Lana Del Rey for the same chord sequence, which is creepy.

I agree to a point - the chord sequence is fairly common, I think it's G to B7 - it's what Thom sings over it. It does sound similar to the initial vocal melody on Air That I Breathe, which is probably what got the publishers phoning their lawyers. (The Hollies didn't write the song). I didn't know that Radiohead sued LDR for using a piece of music that they had already been sued for using. Did they win?!
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: PeterCornelius on May 10, 2021, 12:46:24 PM
Sorry @The Culture Bunker - just saw your post.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: NoSleep on May 10, 2021, 12:50:59 PM
I agree to a point - the chord sequence is fairly common, I think it's G to B7 - it's what Thom sings over it. It does sound similar to the initial vocal melody on Air That I Breathe, which is probably what got the publishers phoning their lawyers. (The Hollies didn't write the song). I didn't know that Radiohead sued LDR for using a piece of music that they had already been sued for using. Did they win?!

I can't remember or care to look it up, but it was mercenary either way. All those chord sequence cases should be thrown out of court; a basic failure of understanding about how music is made.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: OnlyRegisteredSoICanRead on May 10, 2021, 01:25:33 PM
I can't remember or care to look it up, but it was mercenary either way. All those chord sequence cases should be thrown out of court; a basic failure of understanding about how music is made.

It was the melody as well. I know someone's already said that, but…


Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: PaulTMA on May 10, 2021, 02:14:06 PM
It's that "she's running out the door bit" on Creep that tipped it over the edge for sounding like The Air That I Breathe.  He probably unconsciously sang that melody over the top of the similar chords, having the Hollies song at the back of his mind somewhere.  I'm sure some Radiohead fans have issued a fatwaa on Albert Hammond's family at some point
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: buzby on May 10, 2021, 02:20:09 PM
It wasn't the Hollies who sued, but the publishers of 'The Air That I Breathe" (written by Albert "Bootleg" Hammond and Mike Hazelwood).
Similarly, it wasn't Radiohead that was 'in dispute' with Elizabeth Grant over Get Free, but their publisher, Warner Chappell (who denied they had sued her, only approached her with a copyright claim - the ASCAP database still only shows her and her producers as writers for the track though).
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-42633115 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-42633115)
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: NoSleep on May 10, 2021, 04:27:33 PM
That's just one side's word against the other.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: gilbertharding on May 10, 2021, 04:41:53 PM
Watched a documentary about Ronnie Wood the other evening, which featured a bit of a discussion between Peter Grant and Malcolm McClaren - and then Rod Stewart and Ronnie Lane (a bit) slagged off Peter Grant. But he wasn't as bad as Don Arden, was he? I mean, at least if he was your manager you'd get paid properly, surely?
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: DrGreggles on May 10, 2021, 05:26:59 PM
There was a guy called Stuart who once showed an interest in managing my band.
Now, he's definitely the biggest cunt I encountered in my (admittedly brief) music career.
Nothing specific, just an all-round cunt.
A smarmy, waistcoat-wearing, ponytailed cunt.
Cunt.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Echo Valley 2-6809 on May 10, 2021, 07:02:05 PM
There was a guy called Stuart who once showed an interest in managing my band.
Now, he's definitely the biggest cunt I encountered in my (admittedly brief) music career.
Nothing specific, just an all-round cunt.
A smarmy, waistcoat-wearing, ponytailed cunt.
Cunt.

Stuart Wells? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FRAeFyBX1w)
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: willbo on May 11, 2021, 08:08:56 PM
I thought Creep was meant to be a steal of Al Green's lets stay together
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Bently Sheds on May 12, 2021, 09:01:04 AM
XTC's manager was sufficiently awful that they had to sign an NDA forbidding them to talk about all the stuff he got up to.

I seem to remember Andy Partridge commenting that he was on stage one night during another one of their long, gruelling tours. He looked out at the packed out audience, worked out they'd each paid, say, $10 for a ticket and couldn't understand why the band members were still on £40 a week despite their sell-out gigs, chart hits, Top of the Pops performances and considerable album sales.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: willbo on May 12, 2021, 11:32:39 AM
I once worked at a venue where Peter Andre played his hits live. We weren't supposed to go in when they were rehearsing but I sneaked behind a corner to grab something I needed. He was giving his band this really warm, empathic speech about how grateful he was to have them and how they were doing a better job than he's hoped for. He sounded so nice. so not him i guess.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Lungpuddle on May 12, 2021, 11:36:51 AM
I really love quite a few Guided by Voices songs, so it was a bit gutting to read the official biography of Robert Pollard and find out he's an absolute cunt. I hate twats who mistreat people in the service industry. Probably not the worst, but still. Wanker.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Egyptian Feast on May 12, 2021, 01:19:03 PM
I really love quite a few Guided by Voices songs, so it was a bit gutting to read the official biography of Robert Pollard and find out he's an absolute cunt. I hate twats who mistreat people in the service industry. Probably not the worst, but still. Wanker.

Do tell more. I too hate twats who mistreat people in the service industry, but always thought from the little I've heard of him that he seemed OK.

Nice Peter Andre story, willbo. I could easily imagine him giving that speech. Bless 'im.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: phantom_power on May 12, 2021, 01:38:16 PM
I think with Pollard you also have to factor in how drunk he is at the time of the story
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Epic Bisto on May 12, 2021, 03:43:41 PM
Watched a documentary about Ronnie Wood the other evening, which featured a bit of a discussion between Peter Grant and Malcolm McClaren - and then Rod Stewart and Ronnie Lane (a bit) slagged off Peter Grant. But he wasn't as bad as Don Arden, was he? I mean, at least if he was your manager you'd get paid properly, surely?


Peter Grant was an angel compared to Don Arden.  Despite being able to make people shit themselves just by seeing his wannabe gangster visage waddling up the street, he always made sure people got paid - the Mark Blake book on him (which is a cracker) mentions him managing a group that were previously with Arden - can’t remember exactly who they were, could’ve been the Small Faces - and they were astonished that he didn’t rip them off.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Lungpuddle on May 12, 2021, 03:54:07 PM
Do tell more. I too hate twats who mistreat people in the service industry, but always thought from the little I've heard of him that he seemed OK.

I'm probably conflating a few things, I can't really remember the details. I just remember a waiter thinking his younger wife is his daughter and Pollard throwing a strop and not tipping. There's a lot of moments where his drunken antics grate for me but I thought they were presented in a Legend Gary sort of way, which is probably what pissed me off. On an almost-related note, the Beautiful South biography has a section devoted to 'Heaton has an unhealthy lifestyle and is clearly an alcoholic, will he go the way of Shane MacGowan?' which the writer resolves by basically going, 'nah, he can stop if he wanted to.' Which is piss poor and damaging reasoning. The only thing that saves it is that Heaton has, err, stopped drinking. As far as I know.

I was meant to be talking about Robert Pollard, wasn't I?
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Keebleman on May 12, 2021, 11:53:37 PM

Peter Grant was an angel compared to Don Arden.  Despite being able to make people shit themselves just by seeing his wannabe gangster visage waddling up the street, he always made sure people got paid - the Mark Blake book on him (which is a cracker) mentions him managing a group that were previously with Arden - can’t remember exactly who they were, could’ve been the Small Faces - and they were astonished that he didn’t rip them off.

Yeah, the verdict on Grant is that he may have been a thug and a bully but at least he was honest.  Here's an interview with him where he lays out his management philosophy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KM9bBu55EXE

It also shows that i) his voice was about three octaves higher than I would have expected, and ii) Led Zep sounded remarkably weedy live.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Ant Farm Keyboard on May 13, 2021, 12:33:39 AM
Arden ultimately left the band in full control of their material.

One guy who looked effective but would ultimately betray everybody for his own interest was Allen Klein, founder of ABKCO.
Started out as Sam Cooke's accountant, gave him some good advice that allowed him to gain control of his later recordings with RCA, but had clauses written that gave him full property ten or twenty years in. Later, he played the same trick on the Rolling Stones, as he promised to break them out of their contract with Decca and improve on Andrew Loog Oldham's shoddy management, while he actually secured the rights to their sixties recordings for himself. Jagger and Richards may still make money from writing the songs, but the band has very little authority and makes zero money (at least very little) with the recordings of this era. They can only block outtakes from being released, which they've repeatedly done.
Klein also screwed the Beatles (cf. John Belushi's cameo as "Ron Decline" in The Rutles), particularly George Harrison, when he secretly played both sides during the "He's So Fine"/"My Sweet Lord" lawsuit.
And he was also responsible for depriving Richard Ashcroft out of any publishing royalties on "Bitter Sweet Symphony" due to the use of a sample from "The Last Time" (but performed by the Andrew Loog Oldham Orchestra). Ashcroft had a talk with him (or an underling) to settle the matter, and Klein promised him it would be fifty-fifty. The part he hadn't mentioned was that it would be fifty percent Jagger, fifty percent Richards (both published on ABKCO, which gets most of their share) and a flat fee of $1,000 to Ashcroft for contributing to additional lyrics. Ashcroft ultimately received full publishing rights after Klein died.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Kankurette on May 13, 2021, 01:28:31 AM
Heaton is much healthier these days. Very into cycling. He certainly looks well when I see him around my area.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Johnboy on May 13, 2021, 09:22:28 AM
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Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Lungpuddle on May 13, 2021, 11:20:50 AM
Heaton is much healthier these days. Very into cycling. He certainly looks well when I see him around my area.

Glad to hear that! I think the last time I saw him live was when he was doing The 8th, and he was great, really funny guy. Meant to be seeing him with Jacqui Abbott in Leicester soon as it's safe. When I brought him up I didn't mean I think he's a big cunt or anything, it was part of the writing that annoyed me, not Heaton himself. Probably the same goes for Robert Pollard too.

"Lungpuddle, you've added nothing."
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Kankurette on May 13, 2021, 12:25:54 PM
Heaton is my local famous person, I've seen him on the school run a few times. My mum sold him a cake at the Didsbury Festival. She's a fan of the Housemartins, she must have been honoured. (It was the writer I thought was being a cunt, tbh.)

Does Heaton collect crisp packets or am I imagining things?
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: holyzombiejesus on May 13, 2021, 12:43:37 PM
Not sure about that but he did (or does) collect those Do Not Disturb signs they give you in hotels as he used them to make the Kings Arms (that pub he bought) look really shit.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: kalowski on May 13, 2021, 01:25:42 PM
This guy takes fuckery to new heights, Zane Lowe needs a kick up the arse for indulging this buffoon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2T0fMkZoMo&feature=player_embedded

any others spring to mind?
Ha. Kayne says "Live like you could die tomorrow". Makes me think of the line in Steve Toltz's Quicksand. "People say, "Live life like it's your last day" but if I did that I'd have sex with everyone and inject heroin into my eyeballs."
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Kankurette on May 13, 2021, 02:48:16 PM
I really hate that whole 'live like you were dying' thing tbh. Easier said than done.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: PeterCornelius on May 14, 2021, 10:28:52 AM
Heaton is much healthier these days. Very into cycling. He certainly looks well when I see him around my area.

I remember seeing him do Old Red Eyes on - I think - Later with JH. He looked and sounded terrible, sweating profusely. I assumed that he’d got the make-up department to make him look like the titular character but maybe I was wrong.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: PeterCornelius on May 14, 2021, 10:41:17 AM
Alan Price must surely be at the top table for this thread.

He arranges ‘House of the Rising Sun’, gets sole credit on the record, it goes to number one in the UK and US ... he leaves the Animals and refuses to split the royalties with them. He’s still doing so, despite Eric Burdon pleading with him to reconsider.

Without the others, he’d probably have remained a jobbing musician, playing the pubs around Durham. Yes I know he already had his own group and yes the band imploded after he left. But it doesn’t excuse his behaviour.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Glebe on May 14, 2021, 10:42:21 AM
Alan Price must surely be at the top table for this thread.

He arranges ‘House of the Rising Sun’, gets sole credit on the record, it goes to number one in the UK and US ... he leaves the Animals and refuses to split the royalties with them. He’s still doing so, despite Eric Burdon pleading with him to reconsider.

Without the others, he’d probably have remained a jobbing musician, playing the pubs around Durham. Yes I know he already had his own group and yes the band imploded after he left. But it doesn’t excuse his behaviour.

Weird, that song popped into my head last night.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: phantom_power on May 14, 2021, 11:08:31 AM
Alan Price must surely be at the top table for this thread.

He arranges ‘House of the Rising Sun’, gets sole credit on the record, it goes to number one in the UK and US ... he leaves the Animals and refuses to split the royalties with them. He’s still doing so, despite Eric Burdon pleading with him to reconsider.

Without the others, he’d probably have remained a jobbing musician, playing the pubs around Durham. Yes I know he already had his own group and yes the band imploded after he left. But it doesn’t excuse his behaviour.


It is an old standard so I suppose what makes that record different from the others is the arrangement, in terms of royalties at least. Bit shit not to share it with your bandmates though as they would undoubtedly bring something less tangible to the mix
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: NoSleep on May 14, 2021, 12:04:06 PM
The Animals version of House of the Rising Sun is based on the version that Dylan recorded, that he had ripped off wholesale from Dave Van Ronk, who had come up with the updated chord arrangement for a traditional song.

Woody Guthrie with a more traditional version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX_bEDqxHFw
And an alternative trad version from Roscoe Holcombe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vp0UhKozJc

Dave Van Ronk's version (recorded after Dylan's, who pre-empted him): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX2ZYLTGu4E

Dylan's: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP_caKDfoyU where the 6/8 time signature is firmly established as also copied by The Animals.

All Price has added is arpeggios.

Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on May 14, 2021, 01:35:45 PM
All Price has added is arpeggios.

He didn't even do that. Guitarist Hilton Valentine came up with the arpeggio arrangement. All Price added was his keyboard part.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Famous Mortimer on May 14, 2021, 01:49:10 PM
Alan Price must surely be at the top table for this thread.

He arranges ‘House of the Rising Sun’, gets sole credit on the record, it goes to number one in the UK and US ... he leaves the Animals and refuses to split the royalties with them. He’s still doing so, despite Eric Burdon pleading with him to reconsider.

Without the others, he’d probably have remained a jobbing musician, playing the pubs around Durham. Yes I know he already had his own group and yes the band imploded after he left. But it doesn’t excuse his behaviour.

The rest of the band should have paid more attention at the time. I do get a bit bored of these stories, like Tina Weymouth and Chris Frantz being repeatedly surprised at the mercenary behaviour of David Byrne when it came to credits, yet remaining in a band with him for the best part of 20 years. Either admit you're lying about how much you wrote, or sue the fucker. Stop expecting us to give a shit when you're retired and writing your memoirs.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: NoSleep on May 14, 2021, 02:00:27 PM
This stuff needs dealing with as it happens. When I was involved in a recording session at Thames TV (as a muso for once), they actually had somebody whose job was taking notes of what occurred and what was said as it happened (like we were in court). Never seen that anywhere else but I can only imagine what had previously occurred to warrant such attention (likely the same old story).
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: phantom_power on May 14, 2021, 02:10:47 PM
The rest of the band should have paid more attention at the time. I do get a bit bored of these stories, like Tina Weymouth and Chris Frantz being repeatedly surprised at the mercenary behaviour of David Byrne when it came to credits, yet remaining in a band with him for the best part of 20 years. Either admit you're lying about how much you wrote, or sue the fucker. Stop expecting us to give a shit when you're retired and writing your memoirs.

Also their careers outside the band seem to suggest, to me at least, that they were a perfectly good, great even, backbone on which to hang Byrne's ideas. I like some Tom Tom Club stuff but it is fairly basic when compared to Byrne's solo work and most of Talking Heads. You could make the argument that Eno had more influence on the direction and sound of the band than Weymouth/Frantz. Them sticking with him despite his "mercenary behaviour" also suggests they knew when they were onto a good thing.

That is not to say that they weren't a big part of the band
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: NoSleep on May 14, 2021, 02:17:35 PM
Them sticking with him despite his "mercenary behaviour" also suggests they knew when they were onto a good thing.

Kinda makes them sound like they're just tagging along instead of being invested in a collective effort that was bearing fruit. Shit needs to be dealt with when it happens. Firmly putting someone in their place the first time they try some shit on can usually set a better precedent.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Ant Farm Keyboard on May 14, 2021, 03:11:36 PM
For "House of the Rising Sun", it was their manager who made the call. He liked Price more than the others, so he claimed there wasn't enough room on the registration form to put all five names.
But, of course, that doesn't excuse Price refusing to split the royalties afterwards. But he didn't actually leave the band on his own. The situation caused by "Rising Sun" resulted in a lot of tensions within the band (while he had promisingly started to team with Eric Burdon to write original material), and they didn't want him around.
A similar thing happened with the Byrds, but without outside interference. With the first advance check from the label, they all bought Porsches. Except Gene Clark, who had written the B-side to "Mr. Tambourine Man" and the next single. He bought himself a Ferrari. The others became envious of him.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: DrGreggles on May 14, 2021, 06:18:59 PM
My old band ensured sure such money-motivated quarrels were avoided by only making bad songs.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: PeterCornelius on May 15, 2021, 11:46:59 AM
For "House of the Rising Sun", it was their manager who made the call. He liked Price more than the others, so he claimed there wasn't enough room on the registration form to put all five names.
But, of course, that doesn't excuse Price refusing to split the royalties afterwards. But he didn't actually leave the band on his own. The situation caused by "Rising Sun" resulted in a lot of tensions within the band (while he had promisingly started to team with Eric Burdon to write original material), and they didn't want him around.
A similar thing happened with the Byrds, but without outside interference. With the first advance check from the label, they all bought Porsches. Except Gene Clark, who had written the B-side to "Mr. Tambourine Man" and the next single. He bought himself a Ferrari. The others became envious of him.

I didn't know that their manager had done that.

David Crosby is my nominee for this thread. Gene Clark was a fantastic songwriter and he wrote many of the Byrds best songs. He was being badly treated by Crosby from the beginning out of jealousy - Clark was easily the best looking and to spite him Crosby insisted on taking the rhythm guitar spot, forcing Gene to go on to tambourine. If you watch the documentary about Gene's life, Crosby looks extremely uncomfortable during his interview segments.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Ant Farm Keyboard on May 15, 2021, 03:56:11 PM
I didn't know that their manager had done that.

David Crosby is my nominee for this thread. Gene Clark was a fantastic songwriter and he wrote many of the Byrds best songs. He was being badly treated by Crosby from the beginning out of jealousy - Clark was easily the best looking and to spite him Crosby insisted on taking the rhythm guitar spot, forcing Gene to go on to tambourine. If you watch the documentary about Gene's life, Crosby looks extremely uncomfortable during his interview segments.

The rest of the Animals assumed it was just a technicality until they saw a registration form where there was clearly room for more than one name. Either the manager had a hunch it would be a mega-hit and wanted to favour Price, or he was just lazy and gave up writing names in alphabetical orders after the first one (Alan Price).

Crosby has always been a huge asshole. He feels a lot of entitlement, as he's minor Hollywood royalty (his father was a much in demand cinematographer). Regarding Clark, the other Byrds also played a part. They resented him, but they needed him, as he was by far their most prolific songwriter. He tended to write a great new song after each breakup, so any time he had a girlfriend, they were eager for them to split. Clark wrote most of "Eight Miles High", but as Clark had left after it was recorded, with every release (single, album, reissue), they'd push his name back behind McGuinn's and Crosby's.

Crosby caused the Byrds to be semi edited out of the Monterey Pop Festival film because he took the mic during their set to rant about a conspiracy behind JFK assassination. Then, he subbed for an angry Neil Young during the Buffalo Springfield set, contributing to their collapse too.

Remember that this is the guy who got depicted on the Notorious Byrd Brothers cover as a horse. When McGuinn was asked if it was intentional, he claimed that, if it had been, it wouldn't the head of the horse that would be on the front.

There's been a documentary produced by Cameron Crowe that tries to depict him as a semi-tragic figure, a guy who's his own worst enemy, but even then there's a lot of assholery involved. This is a guy who even managed to eventually disgust Nash, which is no small feat.

Anyway a rare picture of a clean shaved Crosby, at the time he was released from jail. Yeah, that somehow lessens the mystique around him.

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Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: SpiderChrist on May 15, 2021, 04:06:57 PM
I heard that Clark had a panic attack before a flight and Crosby’s empathetic response was “you can’t be a Byrd if you can’t fly” thereby cementing his reputation as a) a cunt and b) someone who has never heard of the ostrich. Or penguins.

Btw a friend recommended his “If Only I Could Remember My Name” album to me as “enjoyably bonkers” so I listened to it and now I have another reason to dislike Crosby.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Dusty Substance on May 15, 2021, 05:27:29 PM

Haven't been through all the pages of this thread but has anyone mentioned David Byrne? The more I hear about him, the more of a cunt he seems.

Never been the biggest fan of Talking Heads, but listening to Scott Aukerman reading parts of Chris Farts' book on Are You Talkin' Talking Heads 2 My Talking Head? podcast, and how Byrne and Eno would keep deleting the drums and bass tracks laid down by Chris and Tina, it became very clear what an arrogant, control freak cunt Byrne is.

I also have a memory of Adam Buxton talking about how rude Byrne was when they met at a Radiohead recording session.

Don't think I've ever seen a photo of Byrne where he doesn't look like a smug punchable cunt tbh.

Mind you, his first band was called The Artistics, so it's to be expected that he's a cunt.


Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: cosmic-hearse on May 15, 2021, 05:44:25 PM
The lyrics to No Compassion by Talking Heads do suggest cuntiness on Byrne's part
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Mr Banlon on May 15, 2021, 05:50:37 PM


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He looks like Frank Cullotta there. Proper 70s mafia looking
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: OnlyRegisteredSoICanRead on May 15, 2021, 06:24:44 PM
Ian Curtis looks unimpressed though.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: popcorn on May 15, 2021, 07:06:29 PM
Chris Frantz's recent autiobiography is full of stories of Byrne being a prick, but imo it's so badly written and smugly told that it makes a far more compelling case for Frantz being a cunt, not Byrne.

listening to Scott Aukerman reading parts of Chris Farts' book on Are You Talkin' Talking Heads 2 My Talking Head? podcast, and how Byrne and Eno would keep deleting the drums and bass tracks laid down by Chris and Tina, it became very clear what an arrogant, control freak cunt Byrne is.

The fact that those albums came out so great makes me suspect that those were the right decisions...

Lots of speculation on this subject in this thread: https://www.cookdandbombd.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=81644.0

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I also have a memory of Adam Buxton talking about how rude Byrne was when they met at a Radiohead recording session.

I think he's told that story two or three times. It was when Adam was directing the music video for Jigsaw Falling Into Place, with the bike helmets with cameras on them (which incidentally Buckles is auctioning for charity next week). I don't remember Adam saying Byrne was rude, only that he didn't understand the video premise, like "And so you're gonna edit out the bike helmets afterwards? No? Huh..." I think Adam found this funny.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Glebe on May 15, 2021, 08:51:55 PM
Ian Curtis looks unimpressed though.

Or Kerr Avon.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: jobotic on May 15, 2021, 09:30:39 PM
The lyrics to No Compassion by Talking Heads do suggest cuntiness on Byrne's part

It's a song lyric, not a letter. What do Steve Albini's lyrics suggest about him?
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: popcorn on May 15, 2021, 09:33:46 PM
He’s a bad penny!
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: jamiefairlie on May 15, 2021, 09:38:08 PM
Or Kerr Avon.

Unimpressed by his soon to be dead shipmate Gan.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: chveik on May 15, 2021, 09:41:04 PM
It's a song lyric, not a letter. What do Steve Albini's lyrics suggest about him?

well he has admitted himself he was a bit of edgy cunt in his youth. he seems to be a good egg these days
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Post by: lazyhour on May 15, 2021, 10:44:37 PM
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I just remember a waiter thinking his younger wife is his daughter and Pollard throwing a strop and not tipping.

I don't think Bob's going to trouble the Cunt Top Ten.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Lungpuddle on May 15, 2021, 11:10:31 PM
I don't think Bob's going to trouble the Cunt Top Ten.

Must admit, I realised that while I was typing but didn't want to feel like I was wasting my time. Then as soon as I hit post I realised I was wasting everyone else's time and, well, um.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: cosmic-hearse on May 15, 2021, 11:25:53 PM
It's a song lyric, not a letter. What do Steve Albini's lyrics suggest about him?

That Albini was a bit of an edgelord in his youth but has grown out of it?

To be honest, I know little about Byrne nor Talking Heads (always viewed them as a 3rd rate Tom Tom Club side project), but those lyrics always struck me as particularly cruel and vicious Ayn Rand-like drivel. It's a shit tune as well.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: PaulTMA on May 16, 2021, 02:50:36 AM
Even the unpleasant stuff Chris Frantz has divulged about David Byrne makes you want to take the latter's side.  He is inescapably a fud
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: DrGreggles on May 16, 2021, 07:41:49 AM
Frantz does seem to have a talent for telling a tale which he thinks makes Byrne look shit, but actually reflects badly on himself instead.
Not saying Frantz should be on the 'biggest cunts in music' list, but he'd probably do well on a 'least self-aware musicians' one.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Psmith on May 16, 2021, 09:47:06 AM
Has anyone mentioned a Mr Smith of Salford?
Was he a ripping off type of a cunt  or just someone with attitude who couldn't take his ale ?
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Small Potatoes on May 16, 2021, 03:39:03 PM
Even the unpleasant stuff Chris Frantz has divulged about David Byrne makes you want to take the latter's side.  He is inescapably a fud

I’ve been reading his autobiography, inspired by this thread and the other one on him, and you’re not wrong. Frantz comes across as a massive score-settling, 104-friends-having, “needless to say, I had the last laugh” walloper from the very outset.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on May 16, 2021, 03:58:04 PM
Are there any insights on the, uh, Stansfieldian rumours about Byrne?
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: McChesney Duntz on May 16, 2021, 06:55:21 PM
I'm pretty sure he has a penis.

(Oh, nice new pager, there.)
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: phantom_power on May 16, 2021, 10:12:16 PM
Frantz does seem to have a talent for telling a tale which he thinks makes Byrne look shit, but actually reflects badly on himself instead.
Not saying Frantz should be on the 'biggest cunts in music' list, but he'd probably do well on a 'least self-aware musicians' one.

Yeah, saying that Byrne was a control freak on albums that lots of people say are some of the best albums of their era is a bit of a self-own

Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: NoSleep on May 17, 2021, 07:09:02 AM
Yeah, saying that Byrne was a control freak on albums that lots of people say are some of the best albums of their era is a bit of a self-own

That's not such a high watermark as it first looks. The usual way to hone music to be widely accepted is to bland it out a bit; make an average product and market the fuck out of it. That's why those albums may sell in droves but most people will probably rate a more distinctive artist as their personal favourite. i.e. You become hugely successful by being lots of people's 10th favourite band. Who knows what they would have sounded like if they hadn't gone through that mill; maybe I'd like Talking Heads better than the "meh" they're currently standing at (started much higher, thanks to Psycho Killer).
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: willbo on June 04, 2021, 10:25:16 AM
2000s emo/screamo/metalcore band members sound relentlessly shitty from what people slighty younger than me who were teens then (and met them at festivals/signings) say. Like they were the worst of macho alpha male pedos. (not the big ones like My Chemical Romance, the shitty obscure ones)
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Kankurette on June 04, 2021, 03:12:28 PM
Were there any other massive nonces in that scene besides Watkins?
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 04, 2021, 03:17:08 PM
There was a big exposé article written a few years ago. I don't know if its still up anywhere. I think Rolling Stone picked it up? Management turned a blind eye because touring those bands brought out a tween audience in a time when income from album sales to older music fans was dropping.

Rotten reading. Abuse was rife. You don't have to be a Watkins to everybody to be a Watkins to somebody.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Pink Gregory on June 04, 2021, 03:37:54 PM
there's that thing about fuckboy from bring me the horizon pissing on a fan
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: willbo on June 04, 2021, 05:17:42 PM
Were there any other massive nonces in that scene besides Watkins?

Davie Vanity (who sung in the dance-screamo band "blood on the dance floor") was actually molesting the "consequences will never be the same" girl. I thought that was just a stupid meme/rumour at the time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jessi_Slaughter_cyberbullying_case (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jessi_Slaughter_cyberbullying_case)
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: PaulTMA on June 06, 2021, 12:20:11 AM
The two brothers out of Field Music traded in having heads the size of peas for 'certain knowledge' being kept quiet by 6Music gods.  So I've heard
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: sutin on June 06, 2021, 04:44:12 PM
I've never quite trusted Field Music. They sound so damn clinical, like their music was created using focus groups or sutin. And not that everyone needs to be Marilyn Manson or whatever, but they look way too normal to be in a band.

Also, i'm a huge Field Mice fan and it took me years of seeing their name without mistaking it for Field Mice.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Brundle-Fly on June 06, 2021, 04:49:24 PM
The two brothers out of Field Music traded in having heads the size of peas for 'certain knowledge' being kept quiet by 6Music gods.  So I've heard

Eh?
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: willbo on June 17, 2021, 07:50:43 AM
Lou Reed always sounds like he was an unpleasant person in the 70s (but got healthier later maybe). I love Transformer and Coney Island but his jerkiness puts me off his music a little.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: SteveDave on June 17, 2021, 09:32:38 AM
The two brothers out of Field Music traded in having heads the size of peas for 'certain knowledge' being kept quiet by 6Music gods.  So I've heard

We need more information.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Ant Farm Keyboard on June 22, 2021, 12:00:49 AM
Lou Reed always sounds like he was an unpleasant person in the 70s (but got healthier later maybe). I love Transformer and Coney Island but his jerkiness puts me off his music a little.

https://www.michaelcorcoran.net/yes-you-are-a-groupie-and-32-other-things-every-rock-critic-should-know/

"18. Lou Reed doesn’t really hate you — he’s just using you."

Reed was definitely a jerk, and his relationship with John Cale is a good example of it. He was also one of the most difficult interviewees from the music scene, rivaling people such as Van Morrison or Brian Wilson (for different reasons). He did at some point in his late years some promo tour in Europe, with a series of interviews in Paris. One interviewer for a major French weekly jokingly wrote that he delivered slightly longer grunts to her when he was supposed to answer her questions than to the other reporters.
But part of it was just maintaining his reputation as a bad boy. He could perfectly show some warmth and deliver an interesting answer whenever he wanted, particularly on TV, he just chose most of the time not to, even when the act was getting tired.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: phantom_power on June 22, 2021, 09:35:30 AM
I think Michael Corcoran might be a contender
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Seedsy on June 23, 2021, 07:15:37 AM
Mike Stock is an 'orrid cunt.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: NoSleep on June 23, 2021, 04:04:37 PM
Worse than Waterman? That would be hard.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: willbo on June 24, 2021, 11:35:46 AM
George Harrison always came across as a whinging, miserable arsehole.


Mark Radcliffe said in one of his books that George was the most down to earth, easygoing big rock star he'd met. I don't know much else about his personality though.

Ozzy seems to get away with a lot of shit due to his vulnerable childlike personality. The fact that even just a couple of years ago he was cheating on Sharon with a group of women including "a teenager", that he's been in prison for assaulting her, that he talks in his book about carrying date rape drugs around "for pranks" throughout the 80s, all seems to get washed away by the "cutesy old metal dad" spectacles we see him though
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Jockice on June 24, 2021, 12:40:18 PM
Mark Radcliffe said in one of his books that George was the most down to earth, easygoing big rock star he'd met. I don't know much else about his personality though.

Ozzy seems to get away with a lot of shit due to his vulnerable childlike personality. The fact that even just a couple of years ago he was cheating on Sharon with a group of women including "a teenager", that he's been in prison for assaulting her, that he talks in his book about carrying date rape drugs around "for pranks" throughout the 80s, all seems to get washed away by the "cutesy old metal dad" spectacles we see him though

Sharon seems much MUCH worse though. Genuinely evil by the sound of it.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: willbo on June 24, 2021, 04:11:57 PM
Sharon seems much MUCH worse though. Genuinely evil by the sound of it.

she says in her own book she abused him and takes the blame for a lot of it. I think she's had a really disturbed life.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Pink Gregory on June 24, 2021, 04:16:33 PM
she says in her own book she abused him and takes the blame for a lot of it. I think she's had a really disturbed life.

I certainly wouldn"t want to grow up under Don Arden
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Satchmo Distel on June 27, 2021, 02:23:38 PM
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Post by: Jockice on June 27, 2021, 02:29:34 PM
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The star of my worst ever interview. The person who set it up forgot to inform Farlowe, so as far as he was concerned I was just some random stranger ringing him up for a laugh. Then when I've finally convinced him I was real we got to chatting. And realised that we couldn't understand each other's accents. I think I used one actual quote from him in the piece.

Out Of Time is still one of my favourite singles ever though.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: shagatha crustie on June 27, 2021, 04:47:02 PM
Ozzy seems to get away with a lot of shit due to his vulnerable childlike personality. The fact that even just a couple of years ago he was cheating on Sharon with a group of women including "a teenager", that he's been in prison for assaulting her, that he talks in his book about carrying date rape drugs around "for pranks" throughout the 80s, all seems to get washed away by the "cutesy old metal dad" spectacles we see him though

I never quite saw him in the same way after hearing a road story recounted by one of the members of Motley Crue where Ozzy shat in his hands and smeared it around a hotel room. As rock star bad behaviour goes, pissing on the Alamo and goose-stepping around a record company meeting are admirably boneheaded, but there's something just sordid and not fun about knowing that man would just get so pissed and drugged up he needed to fling his shit about the place.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: mobias on June 27, 2021, 05:04:23 PM
Mark Radcliffe said in one of his books that George was the most down to earth, easygoing big rock star he'd met. I don't know much else about his personality though.


I always got the impression with George that he almost certainly was one of the most humble, friendly down to earth rock stars out there, as long you didn't mention the Beatles to him. I think its pretty clear he absolutely hated being famous and all the trappings that come along with it.

As for Ozzy being a bit of a lovable cunt. I think thats kind of known isn't it? The guy always was and still is a mess.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on June 27, 2021, 05:24:57 PM
I never quite saw him in the same way after hearing a road story recounted by one of the members of Motley Crue where Ozzy shat in his hands and smeared it around a hotel room. As rock star bad behaviour goes, pissing on the Alamo and goose-stepping around a record company meeting are admirably boneheaded, but there's something just sordid and not fun about knowing that man would just get so pissed and drugged up he needed to fling his shit about the place.

Pretty unpleasant for the hotel staff who had to clean the shit off the hotel room as well.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: dr beat on June 27, 2021, 05:47:46 PM
I always got the impression with George that he almost certainly was one of the most humble, friendly down to earth rock stars out there, as long you didn't mention the Beatles to him.

Or tax, it seems.  Although tbf he came across pretty well in Michael Palin's diaries.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Kankurette on June 27, 2021, 07:02:10 PM
I’m sure a lot of music fans would call me a killjoy but yeah, I hate the glorification of dickheads trashing hotels and blowing up toilets and shitting everywhere. Someone has to clean it and it won’t be the rich rock stars.

Sharon used to shit in boxes and send it to people who’d upset her. And then there was Would I Lie to You?
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: shagatha crustie on June 27, 2021, 07:48:00 PM
I’m sure a lot of music fans would call me a killjoy but yeah, I hate the glorification of dickheads trashing hotels and blowing up toilets and shitting everywhere. Someone has to clean it and it won’t be the rich rock stars.

Me too. I think its a subconscious reason I've never fully clicked with the Stones or the Who. Arsehole mentality.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Satchmo Distel on June 28, 2021, 12:01:22 AM
Elvis Costello sent something unpleasant to David Stubbs after a bad review.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Gripperstebson on June 28, 2021, 12:02:44 AM
Was his girlfriend fuming?
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Kankurette on June 28, 2021, 12:11:25 AM
Me too. I think its a subconscious reason I've never fully clicked with the Stones or the Who. Arsehole mentality.
“Ooh, Keith Moon flushed cherry bombs down the bog, threw cake everywhere and drove a car into a pool, what a guy!” No, he’s being a twat.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on June 28, 2021, 02:14:08 AM
“Ooh, Keith Moon flushed cherry bombs down the bog, threw cake everywhere and drove a car into a pool, what a guy!” No, he’s being a twat.

Have you read Dear Boy, that pretty much definitive biography of Keith Moon? It's relentlessly grim. The author acknowledges that Moon, when he wasn't being an utter fucking pain in the arse with his 'antics', was actually quite a witty person. You could probably have an amusing conversation with him until he became preoccupied with an audience who were expecting him to demolish a grandfather clock and shove some fish up his arse.

He was an alcoholic. A drug addict. He clearly suffered from undiagnosed mental health issues. He hit his wife and terrified his child. Keith Moon was no hero. He was a sad, ill, abusive fuck-up. Still, what a character!
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Post by: Kankurette on June 28, 2021, 03:15:48 AM
No, and my mum is a recovering alcoholic so I’m not sure I want to. I can’t read my biographies of Catatonia now because they’re full of stupid wacky shit Cerys did while she was drunk off her tits and people going on about how awesome she was when the woman was a raging fucking alcoholic and drug addict. She’s lucky she isn’t dead. Call me a fun sponge but addiction is less fun to read about when you’ve had to tell your own mother to get in the fucking shower, or race around the house trying to find hidden bottles while you’re waiting for the paramedics. At least she wasn’t violent, and she’s clean now but it did change my outlook on drugs and alcohol.

And yeah, loads of those wild and crazy rock stars treated their wives and children like dirt. The Beatles, for instance, especially John.
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Post by: famethrowa on June 28, 2021, 04:59:43 AM
Elvis Costello sent something unpleasant to David Stubbs after a bad review.

A copy of Almost Blue?
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: willbo on June 28, 2021, 08:18:30 AM
What about John Bonham of Led Zep? I've read bios that make him sound like he was some insane bull just smashing into rooms and assaulting anyone who looked at him. But then I've heard and read interviews with him that made him sound like a really thoughtful, delicate, gentle person.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Kankurette on June 28, 2021, 09:49:06 AM
some insane bull just smashing into rooms and assaulting anyone who looked at him
That sounds more like Peter Grant.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: LORD BAD VIBE on June 28, 2021, 02:31:25 PM
Bonham grew to hate the lengthy tours Zep did through most of the 70s. He wanted to be home on his farm with his family. So when was on tour he'd take out his frustrations by getting massively pissed and assaulting anybody (usually some poor teenage groupie or a roadie) that came into his orbit.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Rich Uncle Skeleton on June 28, 2021, 02:40:16 PM
Only violent story in music I like is the one about pink floyd apparently sending a boxing glove on a spring to a journalist who gave them a bad review. Probably bollocks.

But yeah like others have said I've always hated stories about rooms getting trashed etc by people who are either obviously not well as a result of/made worse by drink or drugs, or simply overgrown children.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Shameless Custard on June 28, 2021, 02:41:58 PM
I remember reading that Kele from Bloc Party is a knob, especially at the height of their success (which admittedly was short lived). Not sure if he's a cunt, mind. Unless anyone can confirm?

A lot of music journos have said Brian from Placebo is a dreadful cunt, so I reckon he counts
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: mobias on June 28, 2021, 03:27:06 PM
I’m sure a lot of music fans would call me a killjoy but yeah, I hate the glorification of dickheads trashing hotels and blowing up toilets and shitting everywhere. Someone has to clean it and it won’t be the rich rock stars.


I think as you get older you definitely become far more cynical of the clichéd rock and roll excesses and having a little bit of first hand experience of such behaviour I can safely say its all jolly good fun until someone gets hurt, or indeed has to clean up the vomit. I remember reading The Dirt thinking yeah this is all highly readable and entertaining but thank fuck I don't know any of these people.

However at the opposite end of the spectrum to Motley Crue is probably a band like Coldplay. I have it on very good authority that being on tour with Coldplay is as boring as you can imagine it would be.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: mobias on June 28, 2021, 03:35:51 PM
I think the biggest cunts in the recording industry that I've heard about are probably Kings of Leon. Horrible, horrible people. Their cuntery knows no bounds by the sounds of things. Lifetime bans from both Glastonbury and Coachella for sabotaging other acts gear, allegedly.....



A lot of music journos have said Brian from Placebo is a dreadful cunt, so I reckon he counts

You can take the man out of Dundee but you can't take Dundee out of the man.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Kankurette on June 28, 2021, 03:49:54 PM
I think as you get older you definitely become far more cynical of the clichéd rock and roll excesses and having a little bit of first hand experience of such behaviour I can safely say its all jolly good fun until someone gets hurt, or indeed has to clean up the vomit. I remember reading The Dirt thinking yeah this is all highly readable and entertaining but thank fuck I don't know any of these people.

However at the opposite end of the spectrum to Motley Crue is probably a band like Coldplay. I have it on very good authority that being on tour with Coldplay is as boring as you can imagine it would be.
That reminds me, didn’t the bloke out of Keane turn out to be an alkie? Always the ones you least suspect.

Space are a happy medium now that they’ve grown out of the coke/shagging fans phase, although Tommy did do it when they played Blackpool with the Real People. Those naughty Griffiths boys gave it to him.

ETA: also heard Molko is a tool and I read a spectacularly awkward interview with him and Placebo in the NME back in the 90s.
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Post by: Bently Sheds on June 28, 2021, 11:24:45 PM
Bruce Dickinson - voted for Brexit & now bitching about how hard it's going to be for him to do European tours now & the government should "do something about it". They did something about it Bruce: They implemented the break from the European Union that you fucking wanted, you airplane cunt.
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Post by: Spiteface on June 29, 2021, 12:45:28 AM
I remember reading that Kele from Bloc Party is a knob, especially at the height of their success (which admittedly was short lived). Not sure if he's a cunt, mind. Unless anyone can confirm?

Always struck me as one.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Kankurette on June 29, 2021, 12:56:35 AM
Bruce Dickinson - voted for Brexit & now bitching about how hard it's going to be for him to do European tours now & the government should "do something about it". They did something about it Bruce: They implemented the break from the European Union that you fucking wanted, you airplane cunt.
I cannot get my head round this. You voted for it, Bruce. This is what you literally voted for.
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Post by: jamiefairlie on June 29, 2021, 01:27:20 AM
I cannot get my head round this. You voted for it, Bruce. This is what you literally voted for.

No, he voted to have the foreigns put back in their place and the whip hand restored to the white man. The rest of it was all scare mongering.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Tokyo van Ramming on June 29, 2021, 01:40:29 PM
I remember reading that Kele from Bloc Party is a knob, especially at the height of their success (which admittedly was short lived). Not sure if he's a cunt, mind. Unless anyone can confirm?

According to him I'm a racist because of where I live. He's definitely a twat.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Kankurette on June 29, 2021, 03:14:15 PM
Where do you live?
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: SteveDave on June 29, 2021, 03:20:52 PM
Race County?
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: mobias on June 29, 2021, 03:26:57 PM
Bruce Dickinson

He's meant to be an amiable enough guy but yeah its long been known he's a UKIP/Farage supporter. A lot of rockers, certainly of his generation, are to varying degrees right wing it seems.
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Post by: thundarrshirt on June 29, 2021, 03:56:41 PM
That reminds me, didn’t the bloke out of Keane turn out to be an alkie? Always the ones you least suspect.
Disappointed by googling for corroboration: he did go to The Priory for a spell but did not, in fact, do so cos he was smashing back port by the bottle (https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/keane-frontman-forgives-kasabian-rumour-19033814).
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Twonty Gostelow on June 29, 2021, 04:47:13 PM
Disappointed by googling for corroboration: he did go to The Priory for a spell but did not, in fact, do so cos he was smashing back port by the bottle (https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/keane-frontman-forgives-kasabian-rumour-19033814).
We need a Musicians With No Sense of Humour thread.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: markburgle on June 30, 2021, 02:02:49 PM
Has anyone mentioned a Mr Smith of Salford?
Was he a ripping off type of a cunt  or just someone with attitude who couldn't take his ale ?

He was intermittently a ripoff cunt, apparently. Steve Hanley's autobiography has a story where one quarter Smiffy hands him and Craig Scanlon cheques for "a 3rd of what we've been used to getting", as he apologetically explains that Brix's alimony bill has arrived and "the publishing from the album will have to go on that". Which both suggests that usually they did get a share, and that it could also be snatched away with no notice.

There's another story where, after the band have gently prodded MES about being underpaid for songwriting, he presents them a contract guaranteeing the writers of the music a certain percentage, only for the next album to credit most of the music to Smith.

Jim Watts complained on the Fall forum once about how he was credited for one of his songs on the sleeve of the record but it was the drummer who was getting paid for it.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: Shit Good Nose on June 30, 2021, 06:34:27 PM
Constant not-so jokey jokes from Mark and Lard about Lard never being paid as well.
Title: Re: Biggest C**Ts in the recording industry
Post by: cosmic-hearse on July 06, 2021, 11:01:51 AM
Not sure how much of it was elitist posing, but Alan Horne of Postcard Records & Edwyn Collins (in his youth at least) both came across in interviews as truly cruel & spiteful individuals.