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Title: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: Rocket Surgery on February 21, 2018, 08:37:46 AM
Idris Muhammad (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqJ8yIZlsos) was the drummer on 'Blueberry Hill' (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQQCPrwKzdo)
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Post by: phantom_power on February 21, 2018, 09:10:33 AM
Which version? According to this the Fats Domino one has Cornelius Coleman as the drummer

http://www.songfacts.com/detail.php?id=2078
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Post by: Gregory Torso on February 21, 2018, 09:15:41 AM
How obscure do you want to go because I remember being absolutely bowled over by the fact that Warren Fischer, half of dodgy electro band Fischerspooner, was the (extremely talented) bassist in the amazing 90s noise rock outfit Table.

(Although if there's anyone else on this board that knows or gives a shit about that I'll probably be even more hat-fucked)
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Post by: Rocket Surgery on February 21, 2018, 09:21:41 AM
Which version? According to this the Fats Domino one has Cornelius Coleman as the drummer

http://www.songfacts.com/detail.php?id=2078

Should probably have titled the thread 'Things I Just Read On Wikipedia'

Their source is the Independent website, which currently features such compelling items as 'This might be the most annoying video you'll ever watch' and 'Sylvester Stallone is not dead'
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Post by: Sebastian Cobb on February 21, 2018, 09:33:12 AM
Chas and Dave were skilled session musicians and worked on Labi Siffre's I Got The, which provided the main sample in Eminem's My Name Is.
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Post by: Howj Begg on February 21, 2018, 09:39:14 AM
Albert out of Twin Peaks (Miguel Ferrer) drummed on Keith Moon's solo album. Oh and he was the son of Jose Ferrer and Rosemary Clooney.
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Post by: Neville Chamberlain on February 21, 2018, 09:56:31 AM
The chap who plays one of the detectives in the rubbish Netflix four-parter Retribution, which I sat through gawdknowswhy, used to play guitar in The Fall!!! Mind you, you could say that about practically anyone.
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Post by: poodlefaker on February 21, 2018, 09:57:10 AM
Mel Torme was Thora Hird's son-in-law
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Post by: poodlefaker on February 21, 2018, 09:58:58 AM
Herbie Flowers played bass on Serge Gainsbourg's Melody Nelson and Lou Reed's Transformer, and also wrote "Grandad" for Clive Dunn.
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Post by: ajsmith2 on February 21, 2018, 10:12:49 AM
Herbie Flowers played bass on Serge Gainsbourg's Melody Nelson and Lou Reed's Transformer, and also wrote "Grandad" for Clive Dunn.

With lyrics by Ken Pickett of The Creation.

On a related note, Johnny Byrne who wrote several Space 1999 and Dr Who episodes in the 70s and 80s, was The Creations managed for a bit circa 1966.
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Post by: ajsmith2 on February 21, 2018, 10:15:36 AM
The Small Faces original keyboardist Jimmy Winston later played one of the rebels in the 1972 Dr Who story Day of the Daleks. He’s the one that blows up the house right at the end.
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Post by: Gregory Torso on February 21, 2018, 10:17:22 AM
Smashing Pumpkins - the "smashing" is an adjective, not a verb. It's like Peter Sallis named them.
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Post by: Bobtoo on February 21, 2018, 02:26:43 PM
My favourite recent hatfucking discovery is that Midge Ure was in Thin Lizzy for a while.
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Post by: SteveDave on February 21, 2018, 02:49:47 PM
The chap who plays one of the detectives in the rubbish Netflix four-parter Retribution, which I sat through gawdknowswhy, used to play guitar in The Fall!!! Mind you, you could say that about practically anyone.

According to the commentary, one of the people on the same Restart course as Mickey and Ross in the first episode of the first series of The League Of Gentlemen was a drummer in the Fall at some point.
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Post by: AsparagusTrevor on February 21, 2018, 02:54:45 PM
I think most people have been in The Fall at some point.
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Post by: LORD BAD VIBE on February 21, 2018, 02:55:49 PM
George Michael's favourite album was Closer by Joy Division
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Post by: Lisa Jesusandmarychain on February 21, 2018, 02:59:28 PM
According to the commentary, one of the people on the same Restart course as Mickey and Ross in the first episode of the first series of The League Of Gentlemen was a drummer in the Fall at some point.

Tom Head ( now dead ).
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Post by: Lisa Jesusandmarychain on February 21, 2018, 03:01:07 PM
The bloke who played Norm in " Cheers " was a big fan of U S hard-core punk bands, and was a regular attender of gigs by such types. One of his favourite groups is the Minutemen.
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Post by: icehaven on February 21, 2018, 03:02:48 PM
I remember being amazed to discover Fatboy Slim used to be in The Housemartins, and that Vince Clarke was in Depeche Mode (and Yazoo) before Erasure (although Yazoo was less surprising). Johnny Marr turning up in Modest Mouse for a while was unexpected too.
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Post by: ajsmith2 on February 21, 2018, 03:32:36 PM
My favourite recent hatfucking discovery is that Midge Ure was in Thin Lizzy for a while.

Slik-Rich Kids-Thin Lizzy- Visage- Ultravox. He was the Forrest Gump of late 70s/early 80s pop.
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Post by: SteveDave on February 21, 2018, 03:40:52 PM
Tom Head ( now dead ).

RIP RIP
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Post by: Crabwalk on February 21, 2018, 03:50:15 PM
I was completely oblivious to actress/Spitting Image stalwart Kate Robbins' musical career until she popped up on a 1981 TOTP the other week. Went on to discover that she provides backing vocals on The Mighty Wah's 'The Story of the Blues'!
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Post by: alan nagsworth on February 21, 2018, 05:46:04 PM
The frontman for now-disbanded and actually-very-good-despite-their-name indie band Dananananaykroyd is also the breakcore/IDM producer Acrnym. Probably not something most people on here would give a ha'penny jizz about, but I was bowled over when I heard that. He's also a Cardiacs fan, which I learned when I saw him play a set wearing a Cardiacs shirt, and complimented him both for his set and for his shirt.
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Post by: Dr Syntax Head on February 21, 2018, 05:54:21 PM
Chas and Dave were skilled session musicians and worked on Labi Siffre's I Got The, which provided the main sample in Eminem's My Name Is.

A fact that I continue to remind Golden E Pump of to which he always replies "Yes mate I know that" and I laugh but he doesn't.
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Post by: ajsmith2 on February 21, 2018, 05:58:04 PM
The frontman for now-disbanded and actually-very-good-despite-their-name indie band Dananananaykroyd is also the breakcore/IDM producer Acrnym. Probably not something most people on here would give a ha'penny jizz about, but I was bowled over when I heard that. He's also a Cardiacs fan, which I learned when I saw him play a set wearing a Cardiacs shirt, and complimented him both for his set and for his shirt.

I used to be in a group with their guitarist Duncan Robertson!

I’m so ignorant that I didn’t know Acrnym had gone on to be a bigger deal in another musical sphere though.
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Post by: Better Midlands on February 21, 2018, 06:32:05 PM
Chas and Dave were skilled session musicians and worked on Labi Siffre's I Got The, which provided the main sample in Eminem's My Name Is.

The ZZ Top's drummer name is Frank Beard of the 2010's.
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Post by: Better Midlands on February 21, 2018, 06:37:09 PM
I remember being amazed to discover Fatboy Slim used to be in The Housemartins,

I think he has some sort of record for UK #1s under different names -

Housemartins
Beats International
Freakpower
Fatboy Slim
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Post by: Jockice on February 21, 2018, 06:39:50 PM
Mark E Smith and Pete Waterman used to be drinking buddies.
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Post by: Jockice on February 21, 2018, 06:41:17 PM
The ZZ Top's drummer name is Frank Beard of the 2010's.

Yeah, but the thing is, he doesn't have a beard. Whereas the other two members of ZZ Top do!
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Post by: Jockice on February 21, 2018, 06:44:09 PM
Smashing Pumpkins - the "smashing" is an adjective, not a verb. It's like Peter Sallis named them.

I've never even considered it being a verb. I'm a bit slow sometimes. It was only a couple of years ago I got the 'beautiful Babs' joke from Porridge.
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Post by: Better Midlands on February 21, 2018, 06:46:55 PM
Yeah, but the thing is, he doesn't have a beard. Whereas the other two members of ZZ Top do!

(https://media.giphy.com/media/xT0xeJpnrWC4XWblEk/200w.gif)
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Post by: CaledonianGonzo on February 21, 2018, 06:50:03 PM
Yeah, but the thing is, he doesn't have a beard. Whereas the other two members of ZZ Top do!

What's that on his face then?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/29/Frank_Beard_2014.jpg/1280px-Frank_Beard_2014.jpg
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Post by: Brundle-Fly on February 21, 2018, 07:05:35 PM
Mark E Smith and Pete Waterman used to be drinking buddies.

Pete Waterman used to manage The Specials. Because Terry Hall couldn't dance, he suggested it would be a good gimmick if the rest of the band jigged and leapt about but Terry should always remain fairly inactive.

After the Sex Pistols split up Jerry Dammers originally approached John Lydon to be their lead vocalist before Terry Hall. He declined and formed P.I.L.

On the cover of the album More Specials, Dammers had a fake sticker put over the 'E' in More so it read 'MOR Specials' referencing the slight 'middle of the road' lounge/ muzak direction the band had taken.

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Post by: Sebastian Cobb on February 21, 2018, 07:40:33 PM
Drummond and Cauty learned a lot about producing music from Pete Waterman as well.

One of the Chemical Brothers basically does fuck all production wise these days and gets paid much less because of it.

It's apparently a massive faux pas to address Africa Bambaata as 'Afrika'.

Goldie once chucked the French producer Redeyes down some stairs for remixing Inner City Life without permission.
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Post by: Gregory Torso on February 21, 2018, 07:44:11 PM

It's apparently a massive faux pas to address Africa Bambaata as 'Afrika'.

What about 'Bambi'?
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Post by: Sebastian Cobb on February 21, 2018, 07:45:08 PM
He prefers to forget about University Challenge.
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on February 21, 2018, 07:49:08 PM
Jennifer Warnes of Up Where We Belong and (I've Had) The Time Of My Life '80s power ballad fame was a close musical associate of Leonard Cohen. Her third album was produced by John Cale.
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Post by: Howj Begg on February 21, 2018, 07:52:03 PM
Jennifer Warnes of Up Where We Belong and (I've Had) The Time Of My Life '80s power ballad fame was a close musical associate of Leonard Cohen. Her third album was produced by John Cale.

She famously covered a certain song of Lenny's
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on February 21, 2018, 07:52:53 PM
Peter Tork's mum invented Blu Tack.

She famously covered a certain song of Lenny's

Indeed, she recorded an entire album of Len tunes. She's actually a well-regarded singer-songwriter, but most folk only know her from those bombastic '80s hits.
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Post by: Dr Rock on February 21, 2018, 08:06:00 PM
After Jim Morrison died, Iggy Pop was asked if he wanted to join the band as vocalist (source Iggy Pop)
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Post by: Dead Soon on February 21, 2018, 08:14:48 PM
I think he has some sort of record for UK #1s under different names -

Housemartins
Beats International
Freakpower
Fatboy Slim

Just three it would seem, Freakpower's 'Tune In, Cop Out' was a No.3 hit. Still, though, probably still a record.
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Post by: Sebastian Cobb on February 21, 2018, 08:16:08 PM
I think he has some sort of record for UK #1s under different names -

Housemartins
Beats International
Freakpower
Fatboy Slim

He also released an lp under the name Pizzaman.
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Post by: Serge on February 21, 2018, 08:18:07 PM
John Malkovich is a fan of CAN.
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on February 21, 2018, 08:28:39 PM
George Wendt is an enthusiastic fan of punk and noise rock. In the early '90s he was often spotted at gigs by the likes of Mudhoney and Nirvana.
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Post by: DrGreggles on February 21, 2018, 08:29:32 PM
Just three it would seem, Freakpower's 'Tune In, Cop Out' was a No.3 hit. Still, though, probably still a record.

His mix of Cornershop's 'Brimful of Asha' reached #1 too.
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Post by: DrGreggles on February 21, 2018, 08:30:18 PM
I was completely oblivious to actress/Spitting Image stalwart Kate Robbins' musical career until she popped up on a 1981 TOTP the other week. Went on to discover that she provides backing vocals on The Mighty Wah's 'The Story of the Blues'!

She was in Eurovision as well. Probably 1980, as she definitely wasn't in Bucks Fizz or Bardo.
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Post by: CaledonianGonzo on February 21, 2018, 08:34:48 PM
His mix of Cornershop's 'Brimful of Asha' reached #1 too.

He also had a hit with Magic Carpet Ride as the Mighty Dub Katz.

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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on February 21, 2018, 08:36:44 PM
After Jim Morrison died, Iggy Pop was asked if he wanted to join the band as vocalist (source Iggy Pop)

I've often wondered about that. He was an obvious replacement for Morrison in many ways, but I can't imagine the remaining Doors wanting to work with someone as volatile as Iggy after everything they went through with old leather keks.

Also, this might be an appropriate moment to reiterate that Charles Manson didn't actually audition for The Monkees. He was in prison at the time. I think everyone knows that now, though?
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Post by: Brundle-Fly on February 21, 2018, 08:38:45 PM
George Wendt is an enthusiastic fan of punk and noise rock.

As is Loyd Grossman.
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Post by: Brundle-Fly on February 21, 2018, 08:39:16 PM
He also had a hit with Magic Carpet Ride as the Mighty Dub Katz.

Choon!
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Post by: Brundle-Fly on February 21, 2018, 08:42:35 PM
In the late nineties, Bill Withers lived in a cottage on Issac Hayes property. He was the Chef/ Shaft hit maker's live-in gardener.
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on February 21, 2018, 08:51:24 PM
As is Loyd Grossman.

Oh yes, so he is. You can taste it in his sauces.
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on February 21, 2018, 08:57:10 PM
In the late nineties, Bill Withers lived in a cottage on Issac Hayes property. He was the Chef/ Shaft hit maker's live-in gardener.

Good lord. That can't have been due to a downturn in Withers' fortunes, surely? He must still have a bob or two in the bank. Perhaps he just fancied a quiet semi-retirement mowing the lawn for Black Moses?
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Post by: Better Midlands on February 21, 2018, 09:06:59 PM
Peter Tork's mum invented Blu Tack.

Total trolling, for the sake of googlers from the future Michael Nesmith's mum invented? Tippex
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Post by: CaledonianGonzo on February 21, 2018, 09:08:35 PM
Peter Tork is the only person on the planet named Tork.
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Post by: DrGreggles on February 21, 2018, 09:14:53 PM
Peter Tork is the only person on the planet named Tork.

Peter Tork is one of many people on the planet not named Tork.
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Post by: Brundle-Fly on February 21, 2018, 09:28:59 PM
Good lord. That can't have been due to a downturn in Withers' fortunes, surely? He must still have a bob or two in the bank. Perhaps he just fancied a quiet semi-retirement mowing the lawn for Black Moses?

I have it on first-hand authority it was for exactly that reason. Just old buddies doing each other a favour.
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Post by: Sebastian Cobb on February 21, 2018, 09:31:11 PM
For a minute I had a horrible feeling he'd become skint and was now managing to just about get by from the royalties of No Diggity.
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Post by: Brundle-Fly on February 21, 2018, 09:33:07 PM
Oh yes, so he is. You can taste it in his sauces.

Who was the 1990s Premier League football player with uncharacteristically impeccable indie boy tastes in music? He used to get fed up with his teammates because they only ever played modern R'N'B on the tour bus.
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Post by: CaledonianGonzo on February 21, 2018, 09:42:29 PM
For a minute I had a horrible feeling he'd become skint and was now managing to just about get by from the royalties of No Diggity.

I think there'd be sufficient appetite for a Withers comeback tour if he ever decided he wanted to unretire himself.
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Post by: DrGreggles on February 21, 2018, 09:50:29 PM
Who was the 1990s Premier League football player with uncharacteristically impeccable indie boy tastes in music? He used to get fed up with his teammates because they only ever played modern R'N'B on the tour bus.

Pat Nevin?
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on February 21, 2018, 09:55:23 PM
That's the fella. Big fan of The Fall and what have you.
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Post by: Dr Syntax Head on February 21, 2018, 09:56:18 PM
I knew Joe Satriani was Steve Vai and Kirk Hammet's guitar teacher but I hat fuckingly didn't know he also taught Primus' Larry LaLonde.

Related note (note lol) Gilmour was Barrett's guitar teacher. Not really an obscure fact but y'know.
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Post by: Jockice on February 21, 2018, 10:10:26 PM
What's that on his face then?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/29/Frank_Beard_2014.jpg/1280px-Frank_Beard_2014.jpg

A disease.
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Post by: thraxx on February 21, 2018, 10:18:09 PM
Pat Nevin?

Didn't he tell a tabloid paper that his favorite singer was Joy Division?
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Post by: Jockice on February 21, 2018, 10:21:18 PM
He also released an lp under the name Pizzaman.

And his real name's Quentin. Paul Heaton apparently 'encouraged' him to change it as he didn't want The Housemartins to sound posh. Their guitarist Stan Cullimore's real first name is Ian.

I once went to a party on the road where Paul Heaton lived as a child. It's a pretty posh place too.
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Post by: Dr Syntax Head on February 21, 2018, 10:24:26 PM
I'm a big EMF fan. My hat got fucked when I found out Ian Dench did loads of work for the likes of Beyonce, Shakira and Florence and the Machine among loads of other pop related work. (ahem) Unbelievable.
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Post by: DrGreggles on February 21, 2018, 10:46:53 PM
That's the fella. Big fan of The Fall and what have you.

He DJed at this event I was at a few years ago. The man knows his onions*.

*If you like those sorts of onion**
**I do
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Post by: Oops! Wrong Planet on February 21, 2018, 10:47:37 PM
George Wendt is an enthusiastic fan of punk and noise rock.

To be fair to Lisa Jesusandmarychain, he posted that further up the thread. (Or is it a running joke?)

As is Loyd Grossman.

He reviewed albums for Rolling Stone and Fusion in the late 60s, early 70s: https://www.rocksbackpages.com/Library/Writer/loyd-grossman
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Post by: buzby on February 21, 2018, 10:58:29 PM
Drummond and Cauty learned a lot about producing music from Pete Waterman as well.
It's certainly Waterman's opinion.
Specifically it was supposedly during the recording of Brilliant's only album with SAW in 1986. The band included Cauty and Martin 'Youth' Glover (ex-Killing Joke bassist, who also went on to be a successful producer and was part of the original Orb lineup with Cauty and Paterson) and Drummond was their A&R man at WEA. The album was a flop, only reaching number 83 in the charts..

Drummond's view of the experience was a bit more circumspect:
Quote from: Bill Drummond
I signed a band called Brilliant, who I worked with, we worked together, and it was complete failure. Artistically bankrupt project. And financially deaf. We spent £300,000 on making an album that was useless. Useless artistically, useless commercially.

As The KLF they accurately parodied the then-current SAW style on 1989's Kylie Said To Jason (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSaZKgAq8J0), which was also a flop and led to the original version of The White Room (and the accompanying film) being scrapped.

Quote
One of thYe Chemical Brothers basically does fuck all production wise these days and gets paid much less because of it.
Ed Simons basically became a part time member and stopped touring in 2014, as he wanted to concentrate on an academic career. Tom Rowlands has diversified into being a successful producer for other artists as well as doing most of the Chemical Brothers' heavy lifting
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on February 21, 2018, 11:09:34 PM
To be fair to Lisa Jesusandmarychain, he posted that further up the thread. (Or is it a running joke?)

No, just running idiocy on my part. I missed the previous reference to Norm's love of noisy alternative rock.
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Post by: Fabian Thomsett on February 21, 2018, 11:32:05 PM
Terry Gilliam is somewhere in the background of The Mothers of Invention's 'America Drinks and Goes Home' making crowd noises.

Nick Drake and Chris DeBurgh were at Marlborough College at the same time.
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Post by: Fabian Thomsett on February 21, 2018, 11:34:11 PM
Pat Nevin?

Good mates with Vini Reilly from Durutti Column, apparently. He was talking about him a lot when he was on Danny Baker's Radio 5 show last year.
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Post by: Fabian Thomsett on February 21, 2018, 11:38:47 PM
One I found out the other day- John Carpenter helped Dave Davies to raise his son

https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/6451078/kinks-dave-davies-john-carpenter-response
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Post by: The Culture Bunker on February 21, 2018, 11:47:09 PM
Good mates with Vini Reilly from Durutti Column, apparently. He was talking about him a lot when he was on Danny Baker's Radio 5 show last year.
Duritti Column's "Shirt No. 7" is, I gather (perhaps wrongly) a reference to Pat Nevin's Chelsea (and Everton?) role.

I would add, contrary to what was posted above, that Nevin never played in the Premier League. He crossed the Mersey to Tranmere just as the PL was set up. But apparently he once insisted on being subbed at half time for Chelsea at a pre-season friendly somewhere (Bradford, I think) so he could see a Cocteau Twins gig.
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Post by: Sebastian Cobb on February 22, 2018, 12:50:40 AM
Ed Simons basically became a part time member and stopped touring in 2014, as he wanted to concentrate on an academic career. Tom Rowlands has diversified into being a successful producer for other artists as well as doing most of the Chemical Brothers' heavy lifting

I've been told it's been going on much longer than that.

As for the KLF stuff, I thought Drummond pretty much admitted it in 45 and satirised it in The Manual.
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Post by: Brundle-Fly on February 22, 2018, 12:59:47 AM
Wyclef Jean said It Doesn't Matter (2000) was spawned by hearing Buster Bloodvessel's version of Longsy D's This Is Ska remix.

WJ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAag-nlCJQ0

BB
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-AxBlbMCAA


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Post by: kngen on February 22, 2018, 01:23:46 AM
The last Peel Session commissioned by the man himself before he died on holiday in Peru was drum&bass act Klute aka Tommy Stupid, drummer of 80s hardcore band, and Peel regulars, The Stupids. The title of their 1985 debut LP? Peruvian Vacation.
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Post by: Gregory Torso on February 22, 2018, 03:25:25 AM
^ that's some prime hat fuckery with the added bonus of making me feel sad.
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Post by: buzby on February 22, 2018, 09:07:40 AM
I've been told it's been going on much longer than that.
Rowlands has always done most of the studio work, but it was only in 2014 that Simons stopped doing the live shows as well
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As for the KLF stuff, I thought Drummond pretty much admitted it in 45 and satirised it in The Manual.
Although it's a satire, The Manual actually gives glowing praise for SAW's skills and Waterman's ability to spot a hit chorus:
Quote from: The Manual
They are ridiculed by much of the media and only have their royalty statements for comfort. History will put them up there with Spectre and the boys. Waterman might be a loud mouthed, arrogant, narrow minded, self publicist, but the man has never outgrown his true, deep and genuine love of “Now” pop music.

The year that the pair of us spent working with Stock Aitkin and Waterman pulled into focus what we had learned about pop music throughout the rest of our lives.

The quote from Bill I posted earlier was from a 1991 radio  interview. I think Bill's attitude towards pop and SAW's methods were tempered a bit post-1989 by the failure of KSTJ (the bootlegs of the original version of The White Room show it was mostly in the same vein). and led them to rethink and invent the 'stadium house' style.
Quote from: Bill Drummond, 2004, speaking about The KLF's 'stadium house' hits
To an extent we were playing with the genre, with the medium of it, but at the same time we were doing it for real. It was driven by a love of what we were doing, not a Pete Waterman- type cynicism. We were making the best records we could.
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Post by: ieXush2i on February 22, 2018, 09:31:40 AM
Frank Beard, the drummer from ZZ Top, is the only member of the band to lose his virginity.
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Post by: Sebastian Cobb on February 22, 2018, 10:01:28 AM
In fairness to Waterman I wasn't really a fan of his stuff outside maybe dead or alive and Mel and Kim, and didn't really like how one of his tracks could dominate the indie charts (he was essentially the anti-Tony Wilson), but the more stray facts and quirks I find out about him, him putting people up, some of his politics, the more I warm to him.

In terms of the KLF I was a little disappointed to hear P.P. Arnold claim she never got paid for her vocal work on their records.
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Post by: Neville Chamberlain on February 22, 2018, 10:02:55 AM
I've mentioned this before, but The Shend (as he calls himself!), who shouts for one of the UK's best punk bands The Cravats, is the chap who plays the bass in Shona McGough's band in the first episode of KMKYWAP.
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Post by: Sebastian Cobb on February 22, 2018, 10:04:00 AM
Frank Beard, the drummer from ZZ Top, is the only member of the band to lose his virginity.

It's easy to think that by looking at them but I bet they were going through groupies like lemmy back in the Eliminator days. Tres Hombres indeed.
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Post by: itsfredtitmus on February 22, 2018, 10:04:17 AM
Frank Beard, the drummer from ZZ Top, is the only member of the band to lose his virginity.
none of them have, lets be fair
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Post by: jobotic on February 22, 2018, 11:06:19 AM
I've mentioned this before, but The Shend (as he calls himself!), who shouts for one of the UK's best punk bands The Cravats, is the chap who plays the bass in Shona McGough's band in the first episode of KMKYWAP.

The Cravats are playing fifteen minutes down the road from me in a couple of months!

Do Land of the Giants!!!
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Post by: jobotic on February 22, 2018, 11:07:22 AM
none of them have, lets be fair

They've all had Backdoor Love Affairs though. After looking for Tush downtown. Unless that was bravado.
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Post by: Crabwalk on February 22, 2018, 11:45:04 AM
In fairness to Waterman I wasn't really a fan of his stuff outside maybe dead or alive and Mel and Kim, and didn't really like how one of his tracks could dominate the indie charts (he was essentially the anti-Tony Wilson), but the more stray facts and quirks I find out about him, him putting people up, some of his politics, the more I warm to him.

He claims to have been one of the 80 in the crowd at the Matrix in Coventry to see 'The Beatles' perform for the very first time under that name (after they dropped the 'Silver' bit). I don't doubt it, he's a Beatles obsessive. Another fun fact: he rates Lennon way over McCartney.
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Post by: ajsmith2 on February 22, 2018, 12:02:03 PM
He claims to have been one of the 80 in the crowd at the Matrix in Coventry to see 'The Beatles' perform for the very first time under that name (after they dropped the 'Silver' bit). I don't doubt it, he's a Beatles obsessive. Another fun fact: he rates Lennon way over McCartney.

Is that considered noteworthily non conformist these days? Odd how things have shifted round, back in the 80s and 90s it was definitely the other way around. But now you hardly ever hear a good word about Lennon from anyone. To the general pop culture public, he's the hypocritical twerp who wrote Imagine while beating his wife and owning a solid gold Rolls Royce, and even a lot of Beatles fans I encounter these days seem to consider him a bit of an idiot savant who sat around and drooled with McCartney did all the heavy lifting. The extreme reversal gets a bit tiresome these days.  I don't care, he still wrote the best songs in the Beatles. What's 's the Hard Days Night LP without his input eh? I'll tell you what: It's a 3 song EP.
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Post by: buzby on February 22, 2018, 12:10:12 PM
In terms of the KLF I was a little disappointed to hear P.P. Arnold claim she never got paid for her vocal work on their records.
Hmm, it is a bit off. I guess it's not that she never got paid at all (she will have got a session fee for the recording of Burn The Bastards and the scrapped version of The Church Of The KLF, which is where the 'Mu Mu' and 'KLF aha-aha' samples came from) along with Katie Kissoon and The London Gospel Community Choir, but she says she did a deal with them for 5% royalty if any of her solo stuff was used, which they never honoured. That would apply to the intro of the reworked version of Church Of The KLF, where they isolated her performance from the choir vocal (though Katie Kissoon was still credited on it, as it's her presumably doing the harmony part at the end).
1989 scrapped version (https://youtu.be/GKtTrfBDpO8?t=32s)
1991 version (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2OCYPGI_tQ)

She was pissed off by them appearing on TOTP with someone else miming to her vocals (it was Maxine Harvey, who sang the lead vocal on the track), so when they did the new version of the video for the Stadium House Trilogy compilation they asked her to appear in it, but she refused to wear one of their 'blue Klu Klux Klan uniforms' when she got to the studio.
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Post by: BlodwynPig on February 22, 2018, 12:17:02 PM
I knew Joe Satriani was Steve Vai and Kirk Hammet's guitar teacher but I hat fuckingly didn't know he also taught Primus' Larry LaLonde.

Related note (note lol) Gilmour was Barrett's guitar teacher. Not really an obscure fact but y'know.

Quote from: Stuart Macconie in Q magazine
The idea was part culture clash,part social service. Get Joe Satriani (Fleet fingered fretmeister,AOR stadium filler and guitar teacher) to show Ozric Tentacles (kings of progressive crustie) a few
metacarpal-straining licks. Imagine our suprise,then,when they get on famously and trade
effortless arpeggios.
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on February 22, 2018, 12:29:25 PM
The heartbreak and anguish expressed in I Wish It Would Rain by The Temptations is genuine. The lyrics were written by Motown staffer Rodger Penzabene, who'd just found out that his beloved wife had been cheating on him.

A week after the single was released, Penzabene killed himself. He was 23.
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Post by: studpuppet on February 22, 2018, 12:59:37 PM
Herbie Flowers played bass on Serge Gainsbourg's Melody Nelson and Lou Reed's Transformer, and also wrote "Grandad" for Clive Dunn.

But not necessarily Melody Nelson: jury's still out and I think the only evidence is a grainy, dark photo with the bassist in the background and he's unidentifiable. Dave Richmond says it's him, but it seems none of the possible suspects actually remembers playing on it.

https://www.talkbass.com/threads/who-really-is-the-bassist-on-histoire-de-melody-nelson.1326990/ (https://www.talkbass.com/threads/who-really-is-the-bassist-on-histoire-de-melody-nelson.1326990/)
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Post by: phantom_power on February 22, 2018, 02:00:13 PM
Not sure how much this fits into this thread but I was amazed when I found out that REM's only top 40 prior to Losing My Religion was Orange Crush.
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Post by: Kane Jones on February 22, 2018, 02:02:52 PM
Not sure how much this fits into this thread but I was amazed when I found out that REM's only top 40 prior to Losing My Religion was Orange Crush.

Orange Crush and Stand were the first songs I ever heard by them (I would've been 13 at the time), so it doesn't really surprise me.
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Post by: Sebastian Cobb on February 22, 2018, 02:17:59 PM
I've always liked funk and soul but it was only a few years ago that I really started actively paying attention to it. Anyway, the Muscle Shoals documentary on Netflix was pretty much 110 minutes of hat fucking.
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Post by: poodlefaker on February 22, 2018, 02:43:14 PM
One of Whitney Houston's first recordings was a version of Soft Machine's "Memories", with Archie Shepp. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xj4xGiXfW0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xj4xGiXfW0)
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Post by: phantom_power on February 22, 2018, 03:21:19 PM
Orange Crush and Stand were the first songs I ever heard by them (I would've been 13 at the time), so it doesn't really surprise me.

But of all their previous songs I would have thought The One I Love, or It's The End of the World... or Stand would be the ones to crack the 40, not Orange Crush. And I would have thought all of those would have been in there
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Post by: Kane Jones on February 22, 2018, 03:42:34 PM
But of all their previous songs I would have thought The One I Love, or It's The End of the World... or Stand would be the ones to crack the 40, not Orange Crush. And I would have thought all of those would have been in there

Both the ones in bold did get into the UK Top 40, but not until 1991. I guess the UK pop charts just weren't ready for them before 1988.

Funnily enough, Orange Crush is one of my favourite R.E.M. songs. Probably because it was one of the first ones I heard.
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Post by: itsfredtitmus on February 22, 2018, 06:53:09 PM
Most people don’t know that Flying off The Beatles’ Magical Mystery Tour is a cover of an old American surf-era library tune
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Post by: Desirable Industrial Unit on February 22, 2018, 09:52:32 PM
Both the ones in bold did get into the UK Top 40, but not until 1991. I guess the UK pop charts just weren't ready for them before 1988.

First album for a major label and all that.  It's not like they were completely unknown in the UK before 'Green', but they were filed under indie and got jack shit airplay.
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Post by: phantom_power on February 22, 2018, 10:12:52 PM
Both the ones in bold did get into the UK Top 40, but not until 1991. I guess the UK pop charts just weren't ready for them before 1988.

Funnily enough, Orange Crush is one of my favourite R.E.M. songs. Probably because it was one of the first ones I heard.

Oh I love it too. I just didn't think it would be their most popular song of the pre-Out of Time era
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Post by: Jockice on February 23, 2018, 06:33:17 PM
I knew this but did you? The Human League's Love Action is actually two different songs spliced together. The chorus is from a number about watching Sylvia Kristel in Emmanuelle and has nothing to do with the rest of the lyrics.
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Post by: Golden E. Pump on February 23, 2018, 06:37:45 PM
A fact that I continue to remind Golden E Pump of to which he always replies "Yes mate I know that" and I laugh but he doesn't.

Confirmed.
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Post by: Desirable Industrial Unit on February 24, 2018, 12:52:29 AM
A pretty well-known one for most, probably, but I saw the atrocious mid-80s Clive Barker film 'Underworld' for the first time a few weeks back, complete with its synth soundtrack by 'Fleur'.  They would go on to become the Trainspotting lager merchants, taking their name from the film.
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Post by: Psmith on February 24, 2018, 01:08:48 AM
The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy theme  is an Eagles tune called  Journey of the Sorcerer.
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Post by: famethrowa on February 24, 2018, 03:36:04 AM
The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy theme  is an Eagles tune called  Journey of the Sorcerer.

That is one of the greatest hat-fuckers of all time for me, you have this laid-back LA vinyl with Lyin Eyes and Take It To The Limit, and here's Arthur Dent and Vogons right in the middle of it?
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Post by: Twed on February 24, 2018, 03:44:04 AM
A pretty well-known one for most, probably, but I saw the atrocious mid-80s Clive Barker film 'Underworld' for the first time a few weeks back, complete with its synth soundtrack by 'Fleur'.  They would go on to become the Trainspotting lager merchants, taking their name from the film.
I'm surprised that Underworld are so old, and that they ever looked like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAnwhSWDXWQ
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Post by: lazyhour on February 24, 2018, 08:07:02 AM
Most people don’t know that Flying off The Beatles’ Magical Mystery Tour is a cover of an old American surf-era library tune

Source?
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Post by: kidsick5000 on February 24, 2018, 08:31:02 AM
John Malkovich is a fan of CAN.

OOOh OOOh.

David Niven went to an early Can gig
https://youtu.be/nm8MjLDbQ2o?t=5m53s (https://youtu.be/nm8MjLDbQ2o?t=5m53s)
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Post by: Serge on February 24, 2018, 11:33:31 AM
Ha! Indeed. "It was great, but I didn't know it was music."

I'm really looking forward to Rob Young's CAN book.
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Post by: daf on February 24, 2018, 12:16:18 PM
Most people don’t know that Flying off The Beatles’ Magical Mystery Tour is a cover of an old American surf-era library tune

According to Paul :
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Flying was an instrumental that we needed for Magical Mystery Tour so in the studio one night I suggested to the guys that we made something up. I said, 'We can keep it very very simple, we can make it a twelve-bar blues. We need a little bit of a theme and a little bit of a backing.' I wrote the melody. The only thing to warrant it as a song is basically the melody, otherwise it's just a nice twelve-bar backing thing. It's played on the Mellotron, on a trombone setting. It's credited to all four, which is how you would credit a non-song.
https://www.beatlesbible.com/songs/flying/

Not impossible an that an old tune would emerge unconsciously while 'jamming' I suppose.

This would be a pretty big scoop if true - some hairy surfer may have just won the lottery in back royalties!

Any idea of the name - I'm not having any luck searching for it on youtube.

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Post by: Oops! Wrong Planet on February 24, 2018, 12:21:34 PM
I'd assumed ItsFred was making a joke that I didn't get, which is why I decided not to query that.
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Post by: Oops! Wrong Planet on February 24, 2018, 12:31:26 PM
Alec '#NotYouToo' Baldwin is a fan of Tales from Topographic Oceans and 1970s-era Yes. He interviews Jon Anderson here: https://www.wnycstudios.org/story/jon-anderson-musical-adventure-isnt-over/

Jon Anderson was Ari Up's godfather.
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Post by: kidsick5000 on February 24, 2018, 12:59:33 PM
Alec '#NotYouToo' Baldwin is a fan of Tales from Topographic Oceans and 1970s-era Yes. He interviews Jon Anderson here: https://www.wnycstudios.org/story/jon-anderson-musical-adventure-isnt-over/

Jon Anderson was Ari Up's godfather.

And John Lydon was Ari Up's step-father
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Post by: Jockice on February 24, 2018, 01:12:40 PM
And John Lydon was Ari Up's step-father

Harry Enfield was Lily Allen's step-father for a few years. Her real dad was a nonentity.
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Post by: kalowski on February 24, 2018, 09:53:58 PM
Frank Beard, the drummer from ZZ Top, is the only member of the band to lose his virginity.
Probably because he's the only one without a beard.
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Post by: Fabian Thomsett on February 24, 2018, 09:59:49 PM
And John Lydon was Ari Up's step-father

More than that - Lydon and his wife helped bring up her kids. Apparently Ari Up chucked them out when they were in their early teens.
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Post by: pupshaw on February 24, 2018, 10:46:54 PM
John Lydon and is wife were booked on that PanAm flight that went bang. They missed the flight though, apparently.
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Post by: Rizla on February 24, 2018, 11:04:39 PM
Bobby Heatlie, songwriter from Edinburgh wrote "Merry Christmas Everyone" for Shaky, as well as the following
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87oAjeeEDlI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87oAjeeEDlI)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCH1IlOfDTM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCH1IlOfDTM)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9dbAQJIu1o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9dbAQJIu1o)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nVTcVgLUQU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nVTcVgLUQU)
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Post by: Angrew Lloyg Wegger on February 24, 2018, 11:10:07 PM
I'd argue that the cover of McCartney's 'Girlfriend' on Off The Wall qualifies as dreck.

No clue that Jacca one was a Macca one.
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Post by: DrGreggles on February 24, 2018, 11:13:20 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9dbAQJIu1o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9dbAQJIu1o)

Fucking ace
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Post by: Dr Rock on February 25, 2018, 01:15:26 AM
Da Funk by Daft Punk. You can make the title by removing 2 letters from the band's name.

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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on February 25, 2018, 01:30:10 AM
As mentioned recently in the ace Chart Music podcast, the Kelly Marie disco hit, Feels Like I'm In Love by Ray 'Mungo Jerry' Dorset, was originally written for Elvis Presley. Dorset was on the verge of pitching it to The King when the latter died in 1977.

When you listen to this Elvis impersonator singing/spoofing it, it suddenly becomes obvious that Dorset wrote it with Elvis in mind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnQEIux9Tyo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnQEIux9Tyo)
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Post by: Dr Rock on February 25, 2018, 01:53:25 AM

When you listen to this Elvis impersonator singing/spoofing it, it suddenly becomes obvious that Dorset wrote it with Elvis in mind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnQEIux9Tyo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnQEIux9Tyo)

Love that, nicked it off YouTube now. Ta.
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Post by: kidsick5000 on February 25, 2018, 03:01:27 AM
Duran Duran guitarist Warren Cuccurullo posed for a Brazilian gay magazine, appearing -ahem- ready for action.
This wasn't some early did-it-for-the-money mistake. This was in 2000!
He also used to sell a sex toy - modelled on himself - on his website.
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Post by: CaledonianGonzo on February 25, 2018, 12:08:02 PM
Joe Cocker has a writing credit on Tupac's California Love.
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Post by: Dr Rock on February 25, 2018, 01:16:50 PM
The Safety Dance by Men Without Hats is about the safety of moshing, written after the man from Men Without Hats was at a gig where the security kept breaking up mosh-pits.
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Post by: Neville Chamberlain on February 25, 2018, 01:24:19 PM
John Lydon and is wife were booked on that PanAm flight that went bang. They missed the flight though, apparently.

Rober Fripp's ex-girlfriend, who coined the term "Frippertronics", was on the flight, as was a former bass player of Steve Harley & Cockney Rebel.
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Post by: McChesney Duntz on February 26, 2018, 07:41:59 PM
Just heard "Helen of Troy" by John Cale on 6Music and noticed a lyric I'd never clocked before: "I don't wanna be, don't wanna be your backstreet boy." You don't think...? I mean, given boy band Svengali and total and utter scumbag Lou Pearlman's predilections, it wouldn't be surprising...
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Post by: Phil_A on February 26, 2018, 07:56:17 PM
The song "You Can Leave Your Hat On", forever associated with middle-aged fellas getting their willies and bums out, was originally written and performed by none other than Randy Newman.
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Post by: SpiderChrist on February 26, 2018, 08:12:14 PM
Bobby Heatlie, songwriter from Edinburgh wrote "Merry Christmas Everyone" for Shaky, as well as the following
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87oAjeeEDlI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87oAjeeEDlI)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCH1IlOfDTM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCH1IlOfDTM)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9dbAQJIu1o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9dbAQJIu1o)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nVTcVgLUQU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nVTcVgLUQU)

Jesus Christ - please tell me he was the victim of a punishment beating for that.

edit: apart from the Trap Door theme
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Post by: Howj Begg on February 26, 2018, 08:21:13 PM
The song "You Can Leave Your Hat On", forever associated with middle-aged fellas getting their willies and bums out, was originally written and performed by none other than Randy Newman.

yeah and of course in Newman's original lyric and performance there's hints of much darker shit that was subsequently pruned off:

Suspicious minds are talking
Trying to tear us apart
They say that my love is wrong
They don't know what love is
They don't know what love is
They don't know what love is
They don't know what love is
I know what love is


I mean if you wanted to construe this song as about something that would be in the Schweinstein thread, I don't think that would be unreasonable.
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Post by: lazyhour on February 26, 2018, 10:11:45 PM
Yeah, the original is basically about fetishes, innit?
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Post by: DrGreggles on February 27, 2018, 12:02:11 AM
The song "You Can Leave Your Hat On", forever associated with middle-aged fellas getting their willies and bums out, was originally written and performed by none other than Randy Newman.

As was... https://youtu.be/GND0R8Q8Qgg
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Post by: itsfredtitmus on February 27, 2018, 02:03:10 AM
The Safety Dance by Men Without Hats is about the safety of moshing, written after the man from Men Without Hats was at a gig where the security kept breaking up mosh-pits.
nah, it’s about small people and maypoling. seen it in the video
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Post by: studpuppet on February 27, 2018, 10:40:11 PM
Rober Fripp's ex-girlfriend, who coined the term "Frippertronics", was on the flight, as was a former bass player of Steve Harley & Cockney Rebel.

The Four Tops missed it as well, and I remember a story about a band's cargo (Blondie?) being on the flight as well, and locals finding tour jackets and such-like strewn over the countryside.
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Post by: Fabian Thomsett on February 28, 2018, 10:18:28 AM
Peter Sellers plays ukulele on this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pb4o_4FqMM0
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Post by: mrpupkin on February 28, 2018, 10:28:15 AM
Another Randy Newman one, he co-wrote Three Amigos (yes the film)
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Post by: poodlefaker on February 28, 2018, 04:16:47 PM
The mighty Danny Thompson, who played double bass for - among others - Pentangle, Nick Drake, John Martyn, Donovan, Tim Buckley, Talk Talk, David Sylvian and Kate Bush, also played on the theme tune to Thunderbirds.
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Post by: Norton Canes on February 28, 2018, 04:41:27 PM
Peter Miles - the inordinately talented British character actor most famous for his roles in Doctor Who, and who has sadly just passed away - apparently played guitar on Dusty Springfield's first recording.
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Post by: Nice Relaxing Poo on February 28, 2018, 06:47:40 PM
That is one of the greatest hat-fuckers of all time for me, you have this laid-back LA vinyl with Lyin Eyes and Take It To The Limit, and here's Arthur Dent and Vogons right in the middle of it?

On a similar note I think one of my greatest hat fuckers from years back was finding out that "Soul Limbo" the theme to BBC test match coverage was by Booker T and the MGs.
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Post by: Jockice on February 28, 2018, 07:09:50 PM
Don't Stop by The Stone Roses is the music from the previous track, Waterfall, played backwards!
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Post by: phantom_power on February 28, 2018, 07:14:20 PM
They did that a few times with tracks like Guernica and others whose names I can't remember
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Post by: cincoveces05 on February 28, 2018, 07:40:28 PM
Don't Stop by The Stone Roses is the music from the previous track, Waterfall, played backwards!

Same with Full Fathom Five being Elephant Stone backwards.
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Post by: Delete Delete Delete on February 28, 2018, 08:16:04 PM
Maid Marian and Her Merry Men The White Knight https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFGNWbLC6yE is a piss take of
Calanned - Robin (The Hooded Man) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8uMvUgnpwI The Theme To Robin Of Sherwood. I only found this out today because I found the album in a charity shop.
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Post by: kidsick5000 on February 28, 2018, 08:40:58 PM
Just heard "Helen of Troy" by John Cale on 6Music and noticed a lyric I'd never clocked before: "I don't wanna be, don't wanna be your backstreet boy." You don't think...? I mean, given boy band Svengali and total and utter scumbag Lou Pearlman's predilections, it wouldn't be surprising...

Given the 20 years between the song and the band, unlikely they are directly linked. Unless you mean Pearlman took the name from the Cale song
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Post by: Talulah, really! on February 28, 2018, 08:45:49 PM
Another Randy Newman one,

Ironically he's actually 74 and on pills for his libido.
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Post by: Fabian Thomsett on March 01, 2018, 12:17:20 AM
The Devil really does sound like Rob Halford backwards.
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Post by: Panbaams on March 01, 2018, 09:12:46 AM
Maid Marian and Her Merry Men The White Knight https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFGNWbLC6yE is a piss take of
Calanned - Robin (The Hooded Man) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8uMvUgnpwI The Theme To Robin Of Sherwood. I only found this out today because I found the album in a charity shop.

Non-musical, but I had a FMH moment when I saw that Danny Dyer's wife in EastEnders was on that episode of Maid Marian.
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Post by: Sebastian Cobb on March 01, 2018, 10:18:14 PM
Screamager wasn't a single.
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Post by: non capisco on March 01, 2018, 10:27:05 PM
Screamager wasn't a single.

It was the lead track on the Shortsharpshock EP, had a video and was played on the Radio 1 Top 40 countdown and The Chart Show so I contend it was.
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Post by: DrGreggles on March 01, 2018, 10:29:38 PM
Not sure why that was classed as an EP anyway. Most CD singles in the 90s had 4 tracks (and a longer running time), until the rules for chart eligibility were changed.
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Post by: BeardFaceMan on March 01, 2018, 10:33:00 PM
It was the lead track on the Shortsharpshock EP, had a video and was played on the Radio 1 Top 40 countdown and The Chart Show so I contend it was.

Didn't they perform it on Top Of The Pops too?
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Post by: Jockice on March 01, 2018, 10:39:27 PM
The Undertones were the first artists to make their singles chart debut with an EP. Toyah was the second.
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Post by: BeardFaceMan on March 01, 2018, 11:07:33 PM
The Undertones were the first artists to make their singles chart debut with an EP.

Then it wouldnt suprise me if thats why Therapy? released so many early EPs rather than singles.
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Post by: Crabwalk on March 01, 2018, 11:14:40 PM
Not sure why that was classed as an EP anyway. Most CD singles in the 90s had 4 tracks (and a longer running time), until the rules for chart eligibility were changed.

I bought the cassette version, which came in a fag packet. I took it on a French exchange and the kids over there thought it was dead cool. One of the high-points of my youth life.
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Post by: monkfromhavana on March 03, 2018, 02:15:00 PM
Kirk Degiorgio is apparently Marc Bolan's cousin.
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Post by: Golden E. Pump on March 03, 2018, 06:47:34 PM
New Radicals frontman Gregg Alexander wrote 'Life Is a Rollercoaster' for Ronan Keating and Sophie Ellis-Bextor's 'Murder on the Dancefloor'. Not mind-blowing but an interesting bit of trivia.
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on March 03, 2018, 07:50:20 PM
I remember having my musical hat well and truly fucked when I discovered - many years ago, admittedly - that UB40's horrid Red Red Wine was a cover of a moody Neil Diamond track from 1967.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeJ55sUacPM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeJ55sUacPM)

The story goes that even UB40 themselves didn't realise this, as their version was based on Tony Tribe's reggae adaptation from 1969. The Tribe single only credited the writer as "Diamond".

Tragically, Diamond was so enamoured of Campbell and co's MOR reggae version, he's performed it that way in concert ever since. If that wasn't bad enough, he also used to include a dreadful rap section in the middle.



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Post by: Nice Relaxing Poo on March 03, 2018, 08:52:07 PM
Debbie Harry almost became one of Ted Bundy's first victims in the early 70s.
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Post by: anant on March 06, 2018, 12:27:54 AM
The first album to be commercially released as an mp3 was Frank Black & The Catholics eponymous debut.
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Post by: Natnar on March 06, 2018, 12:57:44 AM
The lyrics to Cerrone's Supernature were written by Lene Lovich.
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Post by: a duncandisorderly on March 06, 2018, 01:36:09 AM
They did that a few times with tracks like Guernica and others whose names I can't remember

I may've had a hand in that, as I made ian brown a tape of a load of can stuff in early 1988, including that chunk of 'mushroom' where damo's vocals are reversed.
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Post by: phantom_power on March 06, 2018, 09:16:54 AM
I may've had a hand in that, as I made ian brown a tape of a load of can stuff in early 1988, including that chunk of 'mushroom' where damo's vocals are reversed.

You are forgiven
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Post by: Gregory Torso on March 06, 2018, 09:31:47 AM
Didn't they perform it on Top Of The Pops too?

They certainly did because I remember talking about it at school the next day. They said "screw that" on telly!
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Post by: Sebastian Cobb on March 11, 2018, 02:56:04 AM
Nick Lowe is looking a lot like Barry Cryer these days.

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71kVpR5EwYL.jpg)
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Post by: Nowhere Man on March 11, 2018, 03:53:59 AM
And a touch of his old label mate, Elvis Costello. Funnily enough
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Post by: itsfredtitmus on March 11, 2018, 03:57:18 AM
Nick Lowe is looking a lot like Barry Cryer these days.

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71kVpR5EwYL.jpg)
looks like one of my grandpas old friends in his assisted living flat

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Post by: Sebastian Cobb on March 11, 2018, 04:02:06 AM
Not even in my top 3 Nick Lowe songs, sorry!
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Post by: itsfredtitmus on March 11, 2018, 04:02:37 AM
dead now of course
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Post by: Sebastian Cobb on March 11, 2018, 04:05:31 AM
Is that on Saucy Haulage Ballads?
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Post by: itsfredtitmus on March 11, 2018, 04:18:56 AM
the tangerine wizard
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Post by: thecuriousorange on March 11, 2018, 04:56:58 AM
A pre-Sabbath Tony Iommi was very briefly a member of Jethro Tull.

Bass player Hulk Hogan insists he auditioned for Metallica.
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Post by: Serge on March 11, 2018, 01:41:32 PM
A pre-Sabbath Tony Iommi was very briefly a member of Jethro Tull.

And can be seen playing with them in The Rolling Stones' Rock 'N' Roll Circus (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNvOlyf-JAw).
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Post by: smudge1971 on March 11, 2018, 03:24:16 PM

Bass player Hulk Hogan insists he auditioned for Metallica.
There aren't many bands in which Hogan would have only been winning Bronze in the Biggest Cunt Awards
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Post by: ajsmith2 on March 11, 2018, 08:43:14 PM
Am I tripping, or was there 2 whole bits about Alvin Stardust not singing on 'My Coo Ca Choo' and the famous version of 'I Wish It Could Be Christmas Every Day' being in fact a 1981 re-recording on this page earlier today, which have since disappeared?
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Post by: Serge on March 11, 2018, 10:03:43 PM
Both stories are on the first page of the other F*** My Hat thread (https://www.cookdandbombd.co.uk/forums/index.php/topic,64184.0.html) over in General Bullshit.
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Post by: phantom_power on March 12, 2018, 06:59:54 PM
Wasn't there a thread on here a while ago that suggested Alex Patterson had very little to do with the music of The Orb? Was it an interview with Youth or someone? That would fall into this category I think
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Post by: Serge on March 12, 2018, 08:21:55 PM
It was a rant that Thrash posted on his website that kicked it off. The thread is here. (https://www.cookdandbombd.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=42796.0) The link to the rant seems to be working at the minute, though I know it was taken down at one point (presumably for legal reasons.)
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Post by: thecuriousorange on March 12, 2018, 09:28:30 PM
And can be seen playing with them in The Rolling Stones' Rock 'N' Roll Circus (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNvOlyf-JAw).

I believe he is miming there and didn't record a note with them though.

Thick as a new page Brick
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Post by: buzby on March 13, 2018, 10:26:17 AM
It was a rant that Thrash posted on his website that kicked it off. The thread is here. (https://www.cookdandbombd.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=42796.0) The link to the rant seems to be working at the minute, though I know it was taken down at one point (presumably for legal reasons.)
Thrash's rewriting of the Guardian article on the making of Little Fluffy Clouds (https://krisweston.com/news/how-we-really-made-the-orb-little-fluffy-clouds-interview.html) is excellent.
In fact, reading his stuff on The Ransom Note (https://www.theransomnote.com/music/filling-void/filling-the-void-3-weston-vs-THE-ultraworld/) makes me think he even might be a poster on here....
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Post by: Serge on March 13, 2018, 11:56:41 AM
Well, when that Orb thread first appeared, I did add the tag 'T.C. Weston'.....

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Post by: phantom_power on March 14, 2018, 11:18:27 AM
The debut album by Nightmares On Wax is called A Word of Science, not World like I have thought for the last 27 years
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Post by: a duncandisorderly on March 15, 2018, 10:24:42 PM
Thrash's rewriting of the Guardian article on the making of Little Fluffy Clouds (https://krisweston.com/news/how-we-really-made-the-orb-little-fluffy-clouds-interview.html) is excellent.
In fact, reading his stuff on The Ransom Note (https://www.theransomnote.com/music/filling-void/filling-the-void-3-weston-vs-THE-ultraworld/) makes me think he even might be a poster on here....

I went to see the orb about twelve years ago, some place near elephant & castle. the only reason I went at all, was that my then g/f had been telling me about an ex of hers who worked in A&R.

when I asked her which label, after a brief struggle to remember, she said it was something to do with eno & roxy music.
"EG?" says I.

"that's it."

"so your ex was an A&R man at EG? what was his name?"

"alex."

"& you've no idea what became of him after you split up?"

"no. he was always trying to get a band started."

so I took her to see the orb, without saying anything.... to her credit, she did recognise him, while the roadies were standing around a fucked akai sampler with desk-fans, & bits of the increasingly impatient crowd were wandering off.
shit gig.

I was very amused by thrash's ramblings- thought there was a touch of albini about some of the hyperbole.
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Post by: a duncandisorderly on March 15, 2018, 10:26:53 PM
the residents.... matt groening, a big fan.... it only just dawned on me last week that homer simpson is named in honour of homer flynn.
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Post by: daf on March 15, 2018, 10:49:07 PM
Quote
Groening decided to create something new and came up with a cartoon family, the Simpson family, and named the members after his own parents and sisters

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Groening was born on February 15, 1954, in Portland, Oregon, the middle of five children (older brother Mark and sister Patty were born in 1950 and 1952, while the younger sisters Lisa and Maggie in 1956 and 1958, respectively). His Norwegian American mother, Margaret Ruth (née Wiggum; March 23, 1919 – April 22, 2013), was once a teacher, and his German Canadian father, Homer Philip Groening (December 30, 1919 – March 15, 1996), was a filmmaker, advertiser, writer and cartoonist.
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Post by: pigamus on March 15, 2018, 10:50:00 PM
The Old Grey Whistle Test lasted until the early hours of 1988.

1988!
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Post by: a duncandisorderly on March 16, 2018, 12:57:50 AM


& him, obvs.
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Post by: Psmith on March 21, 2018, 12:43:21 AM
The drums on A girl like you by Edwyn Collins are the same as those on 1 2 3 By Len Barry.
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Post by: poodlefaker on March 21, 2018, 11:21:04 AM
The Old Grey Whistle Test lasted until the early hours of 1988

IIRC, it was relaunched in the mid 80s, as just Whistle Test, having been off air for some years. Bob Harris was out but the new younger presenters could be just as smug and patronising: witness Mark Ellen's dismissal of Michael Clark dancing to The Fall (one of the greatest pieces of footage in the BBC's music archives). Similar to Russell Harty taking the piss out Vivienne Westwood.
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Post by: Twed on March 21, 2018, 01:06:15 PM
daf, notice his mother's maiden name?
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Post by: daf on March 21, 2018, 02:44:44 PM
Ooh - good spot!
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Post by: Crabwalk on March 21, 2018, 09:38:02 PM
I’m watching an ‘82 episode of TOTP and, despite having seen it many times before, I’ve only just spotted Paul Morley in ABC’s video for ‘The Look of Love’. How had that eluded me all these years?
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Post by: Special K on March 21, 2018, 10:46:23 PM
I’m watching an ‘82 episode of TOTP and, despite having seen it many times before, I’ve only just spotted Paul Morley in ABC’s video for ‘The Look of Love’. How had that eluded me all these years?

I don't know the answer to that question. If I knew I would tell you.
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Post by: Crabwalk on March 21, 2018, 11:53:12 PM
WHAT’S THE LOOK?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvxM_dvW8AAf5k6.jpg)
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Post by: studpuppet on March 23, 2018, 11:42:46 AM
Just had a multiple f*ck my hat moment with this. Filmed in London not NY/Ginsberg's in it/Baez and Donovan helped with the cards/they filmed other versions of it elsewhere in the area.

http://www.popspotsnyc.com/subterranean/ (http://www.popspotsnyc.com/subterranean/)
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Post by: Cuellar on March 23, 2018, 12:53:23 PM
I remember having my musical hat well and truly fucked when I discovered - many years ago, admittedly - that UB40's horrid Red Red Wine was a cover of a moody Neil Diamond track from 1967.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeJ55sUacPM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeJ55sUacPM)

The story goes that even UB40 themselves didn't realise this, as their version was based on Tony Tribe's reggae adaptation from 1969. The Tribe single only credited the writer as "Diamond".

Tragically, Diamond was so enamoured of Campbell and co's MOR reggae version, he's performed it that way in concert ever since. If that wasn't bad enough, he also used to include a dreadful rap section in the middle.

Incredible! Had no idea.

And sorry, did you say Neil Diamond would rap? Christ alive.
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Post by: Sebastian Cobb on March 23, 2018, 01:00:16 PM
I remember having my musical hat well and truly fucked when I discovered - many years ago, admittedly - that UB40's horrid Red Red Wine was a cover of a moody Neil Diamond track from 1967.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeJ55sUacPM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeJ55sUacPM)

The story goes that even UB40 themselves didn't realise this, as their version was based on Tony Tribe's reggae adaptation from 1969. The Tribe single only credited the writer as "Diamond".

Tragically, Diamond was so enamoured of Campbell and co's MOR reggae version, he's performed it that way in concert ever since. If that wasn't bad enough, he also used to include a dreadful rap section in the middle.

Whilst it was originally a Diamond song, I reckon the UB40 boys probably drew more inspiration from the 1969 Tony Tribe version that got to number 46 in the UK charts, making it Trojan Records' first UK hit.

There's also the 1968 Jimmy James and the Vagabonds version recorded in 1968 for the UK market, that got to number 36.
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Post by: Kane Jones on March 23, 2018, 01:05:16 PM
Whilst it was originally a Diamond song, I reckon the UB40 boys probably drew more inspiration from the 1969 Tony Tribe version that got to number 46 in the UK charts, making it Trojan Records' first UK hit.

Ballad already mentioned this in the post you quoted.
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Post by: buzby on March 23, 2018, 01:13:10 PM
WHAT’S THE LOOK?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvxM_dvW8AAf5k6.jpg)
A bit later on when Fry is sitting on the arched bridge he also skulks past behind him wearing his more usual black jacket, polo neck and brown trousers. Trevor Horn also briefly appears near the end wearing a red silk jacket and his trademark specs. Morley attempted to kiss Horn during the shoot for producing Dollar and ABC (who were part of part of the 'New Pop' movement he had invented), and it planted the seed for them to eventually set up ZTT.
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Post by: wosl on March 23, 2018, 01:33:58 PM
WHAT’S THE LOOK?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvxM_dvW8AAf5k6.jpg)

Fucking hell, even when his trap's shut we can't be spared the smugness.  He's like the Brian Clough of cunts :-( (I know some would say Clough himself is, but I'm going for Morley)
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Post by: studpuppet on March 23, 2018, 02:59:46 PM
Fucking hell, even when his trap's shut we can't be spared the smugness.  He's like the Brian Clough of cunts :-( (I know some would say Clough himself is, but I'm going for Morley)

I could never decide who was more cuntish in this piece, the Wired presenter (I thankfully forget his name), or Morley.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BqH82a_YYk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BqH82a_YYk)
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Post by: Golden E. Pump on March 25, 2018, 11:52:29 PM
Only just discovered that 'Roam' by the B-52s was produced by Nile Rodgers.
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Post by: Crabwalk on March 26, 2018, 04:04:32 AM
^ I thought that for years, but it’s actually one of four songs on ‘Cosmic Thing’ produced by Don Was.
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Post by: Crabwalk on March 26, 2018, 04:09:15 AM
A bit later on when Fry is sitting on the arched bridge he also skulks past behind him wearing his more usual black jacket, polo neck and brown trousers. Trevor Horn also briefly appears near the end wearing a red silk jacket and his trademark specs. Morley attempted to kiss Horn during the shoot for producing Dollar and ABC (who were part of part of the 'New Pop' movement he had invented), and it planted the seed for them to eventually set up ZTT.

That’s interesting. I’d assumed Morley was there because he was already working with Horn. What was he doing on set in the first place then, I wonder? Writing a piece?
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Post by: ajsmith2 on March 26, 2018, 11:11:03 AM
IIRC, it was relaunched in the mid 80s, as just Whistle Test, having been off air for some years. Bob Harris was out but the new younger presenters could be just as smug and patronising: witness Mark Ellen's dismissal of Michael Clark dancing to The Fall (one of the greatest pieces of footage in the BBC's music archives). Similar to Russell Harty taking the piss out Vivienne Westwood.

It never went off air for a few years, ran consistently year in year out from 1971-very early 1988. The abbreviation of the name happened in 1983.
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Post by: TheMonk on March 26, 2018, 11:11:33 AM
Perhaps this should be embarassing, but I only last night realised two of the Fine Young Cannibals are from The Beat. Having a listen back to their two albums, the first is good the second not so.
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Post by: SpiderChrist on March 26, 2018, 11:12:06 AM
^ I thought that for years, but it’s actually one of four songs on ‘Cosmic Thing’ produced by Don Was.

Don Was produced Love Shack, Bush Fire, Channel Z and Junebug, according to Mrs Spiderchrist's copy. And who are we to argue?

here you go:

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81t5k6shalL._SL1500_.jpg)
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Post by: buzby on March 26, 2018, 12:37:16 PM
That’s interesting. I’d assumed Morley was there because he was already working with Horn. What was he doing on set in the first place then, I wonder? Writing a piece?
He was doing an interview with Martin Fry the day before and he asked him to come along. The only contact Morley had with Horn prior to that was a 1979 interview with The Buggles where he was so obnoxious that Geoff Downes chased him out half-way through. It was written up as his infamous hack job 'Dirty Old Men With Modern Mannerisms' in the NME, where he accused them of being old prog session men jumping on the New Wave bandwagon and called Horn a "a dustbin man of pop, picking up rubbish and crudely redistributing it"

Following the video shoot, he did a much more glowing piece on Horn in 1982, interviewing him about his work with ABC, Malcolm McLaren and Dollar and after reading it, Horn decided to recruit Morley as the conceptual mouthpiece for ZTT.
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Post by: Dr Rock on March 26, 2018, 01:57:38 PM
I was aware that Tom Waits has successfully sued many companies that did an advert that ripped off his voice or a song, but I never knew he actually did a commercial, for dog food, in 1981.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYOMPU18QjA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYOMPU18QjA)
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Post by: Isnt Anything on March 27, 2018, 08:48:54 AM
Wasn't there a thread on here a while ago that suggested Alex Patterson had very little to do with the music of The Orb? Was it an interview with Youth or someone? That would fall into this category I think

It was a rant that Thrash posted on his website that kicked it off. The thread is here. (https://www.cookdandbombd.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=42796.0) The link to the rant seems to be working at the minute, though I know it was taken down at one point (presumably for legal reasons.)

Thank you that was fantastic. Just spent at least two hours of my life reading that. Together with the Ransom Note article which i was going to link to but buzby already has, i found several Fuck My Hat moments, the main ones i can still remember in my sleep deprived brain being -

a. We finally find out what the long-hidden secret Little Fluffy Clouds drum sample is. Amusingly i was reading his rant and was thinking 'if you really want to fuck over Paterson, why not finally reveal the provenance of the drum sample' and then he did !! Astonished nobody out there spotted it before.

b. Spanish Castles in Space was actually written and mostly made by the younger son of Hattie Jacques & John Le Mesurier !! (Guy Pratt added some bass harmonics and Paterson added the Russians but the rest was him.)

c. The demo version of Star 6 7 8 & 9 by Tom Green is on that Ransom Note page and yeah is pretty much the finished product.

For anyone for whom the original page was TLDR please do give the Ransom Note page a go. Much shorter, although not short, funnier and not quite so ranty, although it IS more nasty about Thomas Fehlmann and Germans in general. But ends with a nice note.

As for Thrashs own page i was on his side until the bit where he interacts with youtubers etc. .... most of the replies he got were polite and raised at least SOME good points but he responded like they told him to go fuck his mum. Yes ok, one did tell him to go fuck his dog, its the rest im talking about hehe. I mean yeah its his choice but he did come across as a complete arse in that bit which makes you wonder more about the rest of it.
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Post by: phantom_power on March 27, 2018, 10:52:13 AM
That Ransom Note link doesn't work for me. It says the page isn't available
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Post by: Cuellar on March 27, 2018, 12:32:07 PM
Dunno if this really counts, it's also sort of an 'obvious thing you've only just realised', but the final song on The Mountain Goats's Sunset Tree album, 'Pale Green Things', isn't about his mum dying, but his horrible abusive step-dad, and the conflicting emotions arising therefrom.

I, for some reason, assumed it was about his mum and never entertained any other possibility. Don't really know if this makes it less or MORE bleak however
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: holyzombiejesus on March 27, 2018, 12:41:29 PM
That Ransom Note link doesn't work for me. It says the page isn't available

https://www.theransomnote.com/music/filling-void/filling-the-void-3-weston-vs-THE-ultraworld/
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: buzby on March 27, 2018, 01:04:40 PM
https://www.theransomnote.com/music/filling-void/filling-the-void-3-weston-vs-THE-ultraworld/
The link doesn't work because CAB autocorrects part of the link to 'THE' (it also changes it to 'Cecil Parkinson' if you try to type the letters with spaces inbetween!)

Here's the other two articles he wrote, you should be able to link to the third article at the bottom of the page.
https://www.theransomnote.com/music/filling-void/kris-weston-filling-the-void/ (https://www.theransomnote.com/music/filling-void/kris-weston-filling-the-void/)
https://www.theransomnote.com/music/filling-void/filling-the-void-episode-2-universal-turd-tsunami/ (https://www.theransomnote.com/music/filling-void/filling-the-void-episode-2-universal-turd-tsunami/)
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: holyzombiejesus on March 27, 2018, 01:25:29 PM
THE

Cecil Parkinson

Oh yeah!

Well, if you replace the capitals above with 'het' backwards (if that makes sense) that should lead you there. Or you could follow the link in the comments bit of that spoof Guardian article.

EDIT: Or do what Buzby suggested in the part of his post I didn't initially read...
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: phantom_power on March 28, 2018, 09:49:04 AM
The link doesn't work because CAB autocorrects part of the link to 'THE' (it also changes it to 'Cecil Parkinson' if you try to type the letters with spaces inbetween!)

Here's the other two articles he wrote, you should be able to link to the third article at the bottom of the page.
https://www.theransomnote.com/music/filling-void/kris-weston-filling-the-void/ (https://www.theransomnote.com/music/filling-void/kris-weston-filling-the-void/)
https://www.theransomnote.com/music/filling-void/filling-the-void-episode-2-universal-turd-tsunami/ (https://www.theransomnote.com/music/filling-void/filling-the-void-episode-2-universal-turd-tsunami/)


He doesn't half come across as a cunt in these Orb pieces. Apart from the Colin Hunt use of YouPube and other hilarious japes he just seems so bitter. He appears to hate dance music and doesn't understand what makes that Orb album great. It seems like a classic example of someone who knows all the theory of music but doesn't know anything about what makes music so great. I was listening to the album as I read his "review" and it still holds up as a great album. I don't know about the claims that Patterson did very little on the album and nicked loads of other people's ideas and tracks. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a degree of truth to it but I can't see how someone could have such a long career if they were just fakes and chancers. It seems more that Thrash feels he was jipped out of some royalties and can't see anything objectively now
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: Famous Mortimer on March 28, 2018, 12:57:34 PM
I just read the first few paragraphs of the Thrash rant and got to the bit where he talks about signing a bad contract in 1997; and I checked out. At what point are musicians going to be held accountable for not reading the fine print? How many horror stories do people have to be told before they spend a day and a few hundred quid getting a lawyer to read over it?

Oh, and from Faust's wikipedia page-

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Faust (English: "fist")

What?
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: Serge on March 28, 2018, 04:57:19 PM
Yep - hence the first album cover:

(https://media.pitchfork.com/photos/5929a165ea9e61561daa47b5/1:1/w_320/5b46e7f4.jpg)
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: Better Midlands on March 28, 2018, 05:41:43 PM
He doesn't half come across as a cunt in these Orb pieces. Apart from the Colin Hunt use of YouPube and other hilarious japes he just seems so bitter. He appears to hate dance music and doesn't understand what makes that Orb album great. It seems like a classic example of someone who knows all the theory of music but doesn't know anything about what makes music so great. I was listening to the album as I read his "review" and it still holds up as a great album. I don't know about the claims that Patterson did very little on the album and nicked loads of other people's ideas and tracks. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a degree of truth to it but I can't see how someone could have such a long career if they were just fakes and chancers. It seems more that Thrash feels he was jipped out of some royalties and can't see anything objectively now

There's an awesome book to be written about all these folk involved in the early Orb/KLF/Space/WAU/Big Life situation - There's some mega bitching going on.
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: canadagoose on March 28, 2018, 10:42:24 PM
I recently found out '90s one-hit wonder Donna Lewis' debut album was called Now in a Minute, which sounds like a serious album title but is a sneaky reference to her Welsh origins.
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: buzby on March 28, 2018, 11:20:13 PM
There's an awesome book to be written about all these folk involved in the early Orb/KLF/Space/WAU/Big Life situation - There's some mega bitching going on.
Yeah - if you throw in the EG stuff that a number of them were linked to previously you could get Robert Fripp involved too. Jazz Summers is dead now so they wouldn't have to worry about being sued.

Regarding the STP Twentythree 'Goldfinger' track that Adam Morris/Mr. Modo mentions that never got released because they couldn't afford to clear the samples. They released promos and I taped it off the radio when John Peel played it. fast forward 20-odd years and I finally got my hands on a copy. Someone has put it up on Youtube now:
Alpine Drive Mix (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gLSsoj0YJw)
Telephone Mix (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkWnab1QwkE)

Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: phantom_power on March 29, 2018, 12:14:45 AM
If Kris Weston had as much input in the Orb stuff as he says and Patterson is such a cunt, why did he work with him for so long and why hasn't he released much at all not associated with the Orb (according to Wikipedia at least)?
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: buzby on March 29, 2018, 08:38:34 AM
If Kris Weston had as much input in the Orb stuff as he says and Patterson is such a cunt, why did he work with him for so long and why hasn't he released much at all not associated with the Orb (according to Wikipedia at least)?

He does say in the rant what led to him eventually leaving. He was happy working in the 'dream studio' that he had set up with The Orb's advance but over the last year before he left he grew increasingly tired of Patterson leaving him to do all the heavy lifting but taking half the credit. The final straw was when Patterson moved some hangers-on into the studio who kept disturbing him while he was trying to work, Alex then bought an ARP 2600 and spent ages trying to get a sound of of it without knowing what he was doing, and that was when he snapped and walked out.
It's actually a very similar story to what happened between Alan Wilder and Depeche Mode, but for him it took 13 years to get to that point compared to Thrash's 4.

He also says his publishing contract with Chrysalis/BMG ran out in 2013. Given his grudge against Universal/BMG, I expect he didn't want to give them any more money by releasing anything until he was out of contract. Also, he lost the studio he built and all of his gear (including a lot of stuff that belonged to him personally, bought with his own money earned from doing remixes prior to the formation of The Orb ) when they locked him out of it. He does sound design and writes VST plugins which he sells through his 100 Mountains website, and has a patreon going to get money for equipment to set up another studio.
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: phantom_power on March 29, 2018, 10:21:55 AM
Yeah, sounds again like he knows about the theory of music and is a good engineer but doesn't understand what makes good music good. I listened to that first Orb album while reading his criticisms and it still stands up as a great album, and he seems to have missed all the reasons why it is great over just saying it is a load of samples cobbled together.
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: Dusty Gozongas on March 29, 2018, 08:44:47 PM
It's actually a very similar story to what happened between Alan Wilder and Depeche Mode, but for him it took 13 years to get to that point compared to Thrash's 4.

Seems there's a few theories regarding Wilder's departure. I like this one:

Quote
Also according to another theory Allan dies in the tour Devotional, in a car accident. They have to replace him with a clone but then it was figured that it was Allan's evil twin, not the clone they have arranged before to take Allan's place. They see the truth when Allan eats a sea monkey during an after party. It is also rumoured that the evil twin Allan sleeps with Dave then cheats on him with a rubber duck afterwards. :)

Musical tinfoil hat absolutely cr*mpl*d mate!
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: Isnt Anything on March 30, 2018, 07:17:23 PM
but over the last year before he left he grew increasingly tired of Patterson leaving him to do all the heavy lifting but taking half the credit.

far more than half AIUI because if i read it right Patterson took the songwriting credits in most cases and on the early stuff Weston didnt even get a producer credit because Alex insisted on labelling him as 'engineer' - as it seems he did all his young upcoming co-writers/producers - this meaning he got no royalties at all on stuff he had mostly created, allegedly.

(See also Alan Parsons on Dark Side of the Moon who should probably have got a co-production credit from the sound of things.)
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: PaulTMA on March 31, 2018, 05:40:40 PM
The finger clicks on 'A Kind Of Magic' were provided by CHRIS REA.  This is up there with learning that JAMC did the "guilty" shouts on Drama! by Erasure.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMz-bIe0GQM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMz-bIe0GQM)
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: non capisco on March 31, 2018, 06:00:26 PM
The finger clicks on 'A Kind Of Magic' were provided by CHRIS REA.  This is up there with learning that JAMC did the "guilty" shouts on Drama! by Erasure.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMz-bIe0GQM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMz-bIe0GQM)

Could none of Queen click their fingers or was Chris Rea especially renowned for the timbre of his finger clicks?

"I can do really good armpit farts as well, Freddie, if you want some of them on over the top. Maybe as a polyrhythmic counterpart for the clicks. Something like..Click, Prrrrt, Click, Prrrt, Click, Prrrrt....MAAAAAAGIC!"
"No, you're alright, Chris."
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: PaulTMA on March 31, 2018, 07:34:52 PM
Could none of Queen click their fingers or was Chris Rea especially renowned for the timbre of his finger clicks?

"I can do really good armpit farts as well, Freddie, if you want some of them on over the top. Maybe as a polyrhythmic counterpart for the clicks. Something like..Click, Prrrrt, Click, Prrrt, Click, Prrrrt....MAAAAAAGIC!"
"No, you're alright, Chris."

Perhaps they'd never been satisfied with the sound they got on Killer Queen, Don't Try Suicide and Body Language and Chris Rea must have been the obvious choice.

Presumably this is also the source of the rumour started by Ulrika
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: biggytitbo on March 31, 2018, 11:58:52 PM
'The Eurythmics' and 'David Bowie' are both code names given to people we've singled out to be murdered by drone strikes.
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: Psmith on April 01, 2018, 02:19:11 AM
Stiff little Fingers named themselves after a very ordinary(IMO) Vibrators song.
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: Fabian Thomsett on April 01, 2018, 08:27:39 AM
The Vengaboys were originally a goth covers band called Grimly Fiendish.
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: thecuriousorange on April 02, 2018, 10:32:00 AM
The secondary vocalist on Money for Nothing ("I want my MTV") was none other than Sting.
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: Lisa Jesusandmarychain on April 02, 2018, 10:58:15 AM
The secondary vocalist on Money for Nothing ("I want my MTV") was none other than Sting.

Really ????? And there's me for all those years thinking it was Jim Thirlwell or Tom Waits or  Wild Man Fischer, or someone like that. Fuck's Sake.
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: DrGreggles on April 02, 2018, 11:45:38 AM
The secondary vocalist on Money for Nothing ("I want my MTV") was none other than Sting.

He's credited as the co-writer of MFN because the "I want my MTV" refrain is from the shit version of 'Don't Stand So Close To Me'.
What a cunt!
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: daf on April 02, 2018, 11:58:51 AM
the "I want my MTV" refrain is from the shit version of 'Don't Stand So Close To Me'.

Coo! Never spotted that - excellent Hat f***age!
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: buzby on April 02, 2018, 02:49:47 PM
Bloody hell - where were you people in 1985? Sting came on with them at Live Aid to sing his bit!
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: monkfromhavana on April 02, 2018, 07:32:23 PM
Judge Jules is Rick Stein's nephew.
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: Better Midlands on April 02, 2018, 10:00:36 PM
Judge Jules is Rick Stein's nephew.

Judge Jules played the saxophone on the theme tune to This Morning.


New page Holness myth?
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: Angrew Lloyg Wegger on April 02, 2018, 10:26:28 PM
Karl Jenkins (choral composer) and Karl Jenkins (late period Soft Machine keyboardist) are the same person
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: studpuppet on April 02, 2018, 11:04:02 PM
Judge Jules is Rick Stein's nephew.

Judge Jules is also the bloke that did a DJ set* at a tiny, ropey-looking nightclub called 'Woodside's" near Hatfield in about 1990. That was the night I met another bloke at the bar whose opening gambit was, "I've killed with these hands." He was a Falklands veteran with PTSD who offered my mate and I a lift home after we'd watched him down four pints. We called a cab...

*The set was unremarkable.
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: kidsick5000 on April 03, 2018, 03:14:15 PM
The secondary vocalist on Money for Nothing ("I want my MTV") was none other than Sting.

Sharing vocal duties on Queen’s Under Pressure is none other than David Bowie
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: studpuppet on April 03, 2018, 10:37:45 PM
Sharing vocal duties on Queen’s Under Pressure is none other than David Bowie

You'll be telling me someone famous was the unknown voice on Kiki Dee's smash hit 'Don't Go Breaking My Heart' next!
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: a duncandisorderly on April 03, 2018, 11:24:50 PM
according to paul "the fall" hanley's wonderful book "leave the capital" (which is pretty much a love-letter to strawberry studios), neil sedaka's hit "love will keep us together" & joy division's "love will tear us apart" were recorded in the exact same room in the aforementioned studio.

:-O
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: Neville Chamberlain on April 04, 2018, 10:04:21 AM
Vic Reeves used to play in London industrial music group Test Department!!!!

"Fuck my hat, I didn't know that!"
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: Fabian Thomsett on April 05, 2018, 01:19:31 PM
Chicory Tip's Son of My Father was co-written by Giorgio Moroder.
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: phantom_power on April 05, 2018, 02:00:51 PM
Money's Too Tight To Mention is a cover version, which explains the odd Americanisms in the lyrics.
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: buzby on April 05, 2018, 03:23:12 PM
Chicory Tip's Son of My Father was co-written by Giorgio Moroder.
Not co-written by Chicory Tip though. It was originally released as Nachts Scheint Die Sonne (In the Night Shines the Sun) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4CZkrTCm9w), written by Moroder with German lyrics and vocals by Michael Holm in 1971. Moroder released the English version (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KSLfhx_10M) with lyrics by Pete Bellotte as a B-side to his single I'm Free Now in Germany in 1971.

The single was picked up for release by his UK label Parlaphone with the A & B sides reversed. Promos were released in late 1971 with the single scheduled for release on the 14th of January 1972. Chicory Tip's manager/producer Roger Easterby got hold of one of the promos, dashed off a copy with the band and got their record company CBS to schedule it for release on the same day as Moroder's version. Theirs got to #1, Moroder's didn't chart.

It's the same story as what happened ot a lot of American singers in the 50s and 60s, where a UK artist would release a quick cover version in competition with the UK release (e.g. Cilla Black having a UK hit with Anyone Who Had A Heart before Dionne Warwicks' version was released).

Moroder's version was rerelased outside the UK B/W Underdog later in 1972 after both tracks (plus DJ Shadow favourite Tears) were used in Moroder's soundtrack for the German 'nunsploitation' film Die Klosterschülerinnen (Sex Life In A Convent). Moroder's version is better known in the US, having got to #46 on the Billboard chart compared to #91 for the Chicory Tip version.

Rather than being annoyed at being gazumped by Easterby and the band, Moroder and Bellotte wrote Chicory TIp's next 4 singles for them.
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Post by: smudge1971 on April 05, 2018, 05:42:41 PM
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Rather than being annoyed at being gazumped by Easterby and the band, Moroder and Bellotte wrote Chicory TIp's next 4 singles for them.


Really? Good grief, Christina Buzby
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Post by: Golden E. Pump on April 05, 2018, 11:13:16 PM
Money's Too Tight To Mention is a cover version, which explains the odd Americanisms in the lyrics.

The Valentine Brothers' version is so much better.
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: phantom_power on April 05, 2018, 11:39:37 PM
The Valentine Brothers' version is so much better.

Having just had a chance to listen to it, yes it is. But then how could it not be
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Post by: Here Comes Mongo on April 06, 2018, 01:03:57 AM
The theme tune to ITV holiday programme 'Wish You Were Here' was composed by Gordon Giltrap, the father of the late DJ Tango. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXxjETq4NhU

Also, the guy who wrote the theme tune to the rival BBC holiday programme was Paul Hardcastle, who also wrote '19' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZLQSVH_Rvk
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: Oops! Wrong Planet on April 06, 2018, 02:57:36 AM
The theme tune to ITV holiday programme 'Wish You Were Here' was composed by Gordon Giltrap, the father of the late DJ Tango. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXxjETq4NhU

Also, the guy who wrote the theme tune to the rival BBC holiday programme was Paul Hardcastle, who also wrote '19' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZLQSVH_Rvk

The BBC Holiday show used the Giltrap composition Heartsong as its theme for a while. I think that preceded Wish You Were Here's theme. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52RpCDV6yNY  [CONTAINS UPPER PRIVATES]
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Post by: studpuppet on April 06, 2018, 07:16:15 AM
The BBC Holiday show used the Giltrap composition Heartsong as its theme for a while.

Not only that, but he was interviewed about doing both themes on a podcast I was listening to recently, but I can't for the life of me remember which one.
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Post by: Golden E. Pump on April 06, 2018, 01:23:42 PM
Linda Womack, of Womack & Womack, was actually born Linda Cooke and is the daughter of the legendary Sam Cooke.
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: Fabian Thomsett on April 06, 2018, 02:34:01 PM
Not co-written by Chicory Tip though. It was originally released as Nachts Scheint Die Sonne (In the Night Shines the Sun) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4CZkrTCm9w), written by Moroder with German lyrics and vocals by Michael Holm in 1971. Moroder released the English version (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KSLfhx_10M) with lyrics by Pete Bellotte as a B-side to his single I'm Free Now in Germany in 1971.

The single was picked up for release by his UK label Parlaphone with the A & B sides reversed. Promos were released in late 1971 with the single scheduled for release on the 14th of January 1972. Chicory Tip's manager/producer Roger Easterby got hold of one of the promos, dashed off a copy with the band and got their record company CBS to schedule it for release on the same day as Moroder's version. Theirs got to #1, Moroder's didn't chart.

It's the same story as what happened ot a lot of American singers in the 50s and 60s, where a UK artist would release a quick cover version in competition with the UK release (e.g. Cilla Black having a UK hit with Anyone Who Had A Heart before Dionne Warwicks' version was released).

Moroder's version was rerelased outside the UK B/W Underdog later in 1972 after both tracks (plus DJ Shadow favourite Tears) were used in Moroder's soundtrack for the German 'nunsploitation' film Die Klosterschülerinnen (Sex Life In A Convent). Moroder's version is better known in the US, having got to #46 on the Billboard chart compared to #91 for the Chicory Tip version.

Rather than being annoyed at being gazumped by Easterby and the band, Moroder and Bellotte wrote Chicory TIp's next 4 singles for them.

Didn't know any of that. Cheers.
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Post by: studpuppet on April 06, 2018, 02:42:25 PM
Linda Womack, of Womack & Womack, was actually born Linda Cooke and is the daughter of the legendary Sam Cooke.

How did you manage to pick possibly the least interesting fact of that particular family tale?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Womack#Personal_life (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Womack#Personal_life)
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Post by: gilbertharding on April 06, 2018, 05:21:31 PM
Womack Womack Womack Womack Womack Womack and Womack.
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Post by: Golden E. Pump on April 06, 2018, 05:29:05 PM
Nobody cares about Ken Womack.
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Post by: Psmith on April 08, 2018, 02:19:23 AM
Chicago were once called The Chicago Transit Company and were really good.

https://youtu.be/9kL6TXdve8M
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Post by: SpiderChrist on April 08, 2018, 10:37:05 AM
Heather Small once released a good record

https://youtu.be/oaCXqPOWxCU

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Post by: Better Midlands on April 08, 2018, 01:36:19 PM
Heather Small once released a good record

https://youtu.be/oaCXqPOWxCU

Heather Small sang the vocal on Black Box - Ride On Time

https://youtu.be/M0quXl_od3g
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Post by: kngen on April 08, 2018, 04:47:52 PM
Heather Small sang the vocal on Black Box - Ride On Time

https://youtu.be/M0quXl_od3g

Only for the UK version - the original sampled Loleatta Holloway's Love Sensation.

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Post by: Twed on April 08, 2018, 05:12:53 PM
Having trouble finding two versions to compare, or even getting the versions straight (every official version of Ride on Time I've found sounds exactly like Holloway's source material, although I am listening on an external computer monitor that's giving me cloth ears).
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Post by: SpiderChrist on April 08, 2018, 05:54:19 PM
Heather Small sang the vocal on Black Box - Ride On Time

https://youtu.be/M0quXl_od3g

I thought it sampled Loleatta Holloway - anyone got a link to the two versions for comparison?
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Post by: DrGreggles on April 08, 2018, 10:36:05 PM
I thought it sampled Loleatta Holloway

The 'original' did.
Maybe it was re-recorded because of the lawsuit.
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Post by: Better Midlands on April 08, 2018, 10:56:43 PM
The version I linked is Heather Small, any version you've heard after the first week at #1 is Heather Small

If your 12"/CD single/cassingle has (remix) after the title it's Heather Small

(http://images.45cat.com/black-box-ride-on-time-massive-mix-remix-deconstruction.jpg)

If it doesn't say (remix) then it's Loletta Holloway.

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/M0quXl_od3g/maxresdefault.jpg)

This is the LH version

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2phn0w

Here's the OG LH acapella

https://youtu.be/uDDwuFa33go
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Post by: buzby on April 08, 2018, 11:55:36 PM
I thought it sampled Loleatta Holloway - anyone got a link to the two versions for comparison?
it's very hard to find the original version online availiable to the UK due to the legal decision around the use of Holloway's vocals.
Here's an acapella of the original version, using the Holloway samples from Love Sensation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=16&v=M0quXl_od3g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=16&v=M0quXl_od3g)
You can hear them in this interview with Holloway too;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKuJSXuF8ac (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKuJSXuF8ac)
The 'UK Remix' (featuring an uncredited Heather Small):
https://soundcloud.com/alexakrueger/01-blackbox-ride-on-time-uk (https://soundcloud.com/alexakrueger/01-blackbox-ride-on-time-uk)
All the 'official' versions available to the UK on Youtube, like the official video, use Small's vocals. You need to look for the Massive Mix, or the Pianopella for the original verison, but they are blocked in the UK
(edit: Better Midlands has posted a link to the original version from Dailymotion, who aren't bothered about region blocking or copyright)

The two most noticeable differences are on the "And time won't take my love away' section - it's much thicker with more harmonies on the rerecorded version (in the original, Holloway's lead voice is higher in the mix and sits on top of the harmonies), and the 'You're such a hot temptation' line, where Small's voice cracks and peters out (probably from going outside her normal range for the 'hot') whereas Holloway holds the line to the end.

The 'UK Remix' was put out  by their UK label DeConstruction after it reached to #2 in the charts on the 2nd of September as Holloway's lawyers had served a writ against the producers to remove her vocals (they had got clearance from Holloway's label Salsoul, but she saw no royalties from it as she was still paying off her advance). Black Box later settled with her out of court, and there was talk of using her vocals officially on other tracks but they used Martha Wash from The Weather Girls instead. The '20th Anniversary' remixes released in Italy in 2009 used Holloway's vocal samples agan, but I think the agreement only covered UK releases (and Italy has some very odd copyright laws for music);
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Post by: daf on April 09, 2018, 12:03:20 PM
any version you've heard after the first week at #1 is Heather Small

Amazing!

Though from listening to the links, I don't think I've heard the Heather Small version before - the voice has a totally different texture to what I remember (less raspy), and the choppy "wooah hoah" bits at the start sound all wonky (like she actually sung it that way, rather than playing samples on the keyboard).

Either I stopped listening after the first week or Radio One kept playing the original for a while.
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Post by: TheMonk on April 09, 2018, 12:27:37 PM
Womack Womack Womack Womack Womack Womack and Womack.
Fleetwood Womack
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Post by: SpiderChrist on April 09, 2018, 01:02:26 PM
The version I linked is Heather Small, any version you've heard after the first week at #1 is Heather Small

If your 12"/CD single/cassingle has (remix) after the title it's Heather Small

(http://images.45cat.com/black-box-ride-on-time-massive-mix-remix-deconstruction.jpg)

If it doesn't say (remix) then it's Loletta Holloway.

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/M0quXl_od3g/maxresdefault.jpg)

This is the LH version

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2phn0w

Here's the OG LH acapella

https://youtu.be/uDDwuFa33go


Aces, ta.
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Post by: Darles Chickens on April 09, 2018, 02:06:40 PM
That's the best F*** my Hat so far!  I had no idea that it had been re-recorded with Heather Small's vocals.  Two things I take away from this are:

1) Heather Small actually had a pretty great voice on her, certainly rather better than I remember from her MOR stint with M People.
2) She did a pretty good Loleatta Holloway impression, because I have to listen pretty carefully to discern much difference between the two versions.

I'm assuming they actually got her singing lines from Love Sensation in a style as near as dammit to the original, which were then cut up and edited in the same way as the original samples.

What I don't exactly get is why they went to the presumably not inconsiderable cost of rerecording the track, but still had to pay a settlement to Holloway anyway, and didn't appear to withdraw existing copies of the original version.

This sneaky replacement of one version by another reminds me of a similar case with Seal's debut album, er, Seal.  At some point after its first few months of release, the album was remastered and quietly distributed in place of its predecessor, with different mixes of three of the tracks (in the case of "Wild", a completely different version), and absolutely no indication at all from the outside that anything had changed.

Wild - Rare original version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6FJBsn9GvA
Wild - Replaced remixed version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6k5bawUiKU

In my view, the original version of Wild that I grew up with is far better than the remix which replaced it - to this day, it seems a really weird and sneaky thing to have done (normally, any new versions on subsequent album re-releases would at least be appended to the end of the album as 'remixes').  Why they deemed the remixes sufficiently 'better' to silently replace the rushed-out original releases, we will never know.
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Post by: buzby on April 09, 2018, 03:24:03 PM
I'm assuming they actually got her singing lines from Love Sensation in a style as near as dammit to the original, which were then cut up and edited in the same way as the original samples.
I think rather than recreating the complete vocal from Love Senstation (which took Holloway over 20 takes, losing her voice in the process) they just got Small to sing the specific lines they were using (it was a rush job after all). That is probably why the pitch-shifted 'Whoa-Oh' melody doesn't sound quite the same - it appears as part of a vocal run in Love Sensation, so the sample doesn't start from 'cold' (whereas it sounds to me like Small's version does)

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What I don't exactly get is why they went to the presumably not inconsiderable cost of rerecording the track, but still had to pay a settlement to Holloway anyway, and didn't appear to withdraw existing copies of the original version.
It wouldn't have cost that much to redub the vocal samples - it will have all been sequenced, and if the original had been recorded at a studio with mix automation it's a fairly easy process to recall the program to rerun the mix and get a basically identical stereo master bar the vocal samples. This seems to be the case, as they reproduced all three mixes from the original 12" and gave them new names.

As to why, once the lawsuit was in progress they were possibly looking at having to pay Holloway a royalty percentage from every sale or play of the track on the radio, which was looking to be a big sum (it ended up at #1 for 6 weeks). It was far safer to protect themselves from further losses by paying to get it rerecorded for a one-off session fee, keep the royalties from that version and limit the settlement fee at the same time. In the event, they settled with her out of court, and the amount will have been reduced because they had stopped using her vocals. Dan Hartman, the writer/producer of Love Sensation, also had to sue them to get a writing credit on the track.

After Ride On Time, Black Box got Martha Wash in to do vocals for other tracks on their album Dreamland, and she ended up suing them not crediting her vocal performances on Everybody Everybody, Strike It Up, Fantasy, Open Your Eyes and Hold On.

As I said, the copyright situation in Italy is a bit odd. Black Box probably never thought about having hits outside their native country so never protected themselves by rerecording the vocals from the start. This is common practice with samples nowadays, getting a 'sample replay' house to recreate samples for a one-off fee even if the copyright owner is willing to clear them, as it allows the original artist/producer to keep more of the royalties.

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This sneaky replacement of one version by another reminds me of a similar case with Seal's debut album, er, Seal.  At some point after its first few months of release, the album was remastered and quietly distributed in place of its predecessor, with different mixes of three of the tracks
Only a couple of the the tracks (The Beginning and Future Love Paradise) are the same between the two versions. All the other tracks were remixed to a greater or lesser degree on the second version of the album.

The reason seems to be that the initial release of the album was mastered from a rushed mix to fit into the single release schedule. Horn and Seal weren't happy with it and continued to work on it, and by the time the initial pressings had sold out the reworked version was used. There also may have been an issue with the premix version of Violet - it uses dialogue samples from The Sicilian, which were removed from the remixed version.
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Post by: kngen on April 09, 2018, 03:53:10 PM
My mate provided the vocals for the version of DJ Skinhead's Fucking Hostile that appeared on Earache's gabber comp when they couldn't get clearance from Pantera for the original version. I've no doubt this will nugget of information will be treated with the same kind of shock that greeted the Heather Small/Ride on Time revelation.
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Post by: daf on April 09, 2018, 04:17:11 PM
This sneaky replacement of one version by another reminds me of a similar case with Seal's debut album, er, Seal.  At some point after its first few months of release, the album was remastered and quietly distributed in place of its predecessor, with different mixes of three of the tracks

Old Waxo Jaxo couldn't stop doing this sort of thing :

Off the Wall (original mixes of Rock with You and Get on the Floor only on first pressing of LP)
Quote from: grant
Rock With You - The differences between the original mix and the more common mix is that the common/single mix adds handclaps during the chorus, and fingersnaps during the bridge (And when the groove is dead and gone...yeah!). Also, the guitar track is different. The original mix is wetter. There are other subtle differences too.

Get On The Floor - Again, the original mix is wetter, and has fewer sound effects during the song. The handclaps are different. There are many more differences that are too tedious to explain here.
http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/michael-jackson-off-the-wall-original-mixes-on-cd.188159/
- - - -

Bad -
Quote from: waldo
'The Way You Make Me Feel' = "vocal fade out" added
'Smooth Criminal = heavy breathing taken off on the intro

and the 45 versions of the following three were added:
'Bad' = which has less trumpets throughout first half of the song
'I Just Can't Stop Loving You' = which is minus the spoken introduction
'Dirty Diana' = which was edited early before final "crowd screams"
http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/michael-jackson-bad-early-cd-pressing-with-different-mixes.122198/

A reason for such drastic jiggery-pokery seems to do with the use of (binaural) holophonic effects used on the original mix :
Quote from: LFF
Unfortunately, these effects had been removed due to a fall out with the binaural microphone maker. Apparently, Michael wanted to buy the microphone and all associated rights but the owner refused. As a result, the album was remixed without the binaural effects and re-released.
https://www.head-fi.org/threads/michael-jackson-binaural-audio-interesting-info.514166/
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Post by: Darles Chickens on April 10, 2018, 08:44:12 AM
Old Waxo Jaxo couldn't stop doing this sort of thing

I had an original release of Bad on tape (like every 12 year old in 1987, let's face it), and when I eventually got it on CD (the release with Leave Me Alone added), I'd noticed that the spoken intro from I Just Can't Stop Loving You had been removed, but I hadn't spotted the other subtle differences like the heavy breathing being removed from the intro of Smooth Criminal.  I've always loved the immersive-sounding production of Bad, but it had never occurred that there might be binaural effects going on there.

I'm still not clear if these edits were made in an album release prior to the one which got Leave Me Alone added to it.  From that thread you linked, it does sound a bit like there were a number of re-releases, with small changes made incrementally.

Only a couple of the the tracks (The Beginning and Future Love Paradise) are the same between the two versions. All the other tracks were remixed to a greater or lesser degree on the second version of the album.

The reason seems to be that the initial release of the album was mastered from a rushed mix to fit into the single release schedule. Horn and Seal weren't happy with it and continued to work on it, and by the time the initial pressings had sold out the reworked version was used. There also may have been an issue with the premix version of Violet - it uses dialogue samples from The Sicilian, which were removed from the remixed version.

Yes, that's the explanation I've heard before too.  In Violet, the movie samples were actually added in the remixed version, along with some extra background vocal overdubs (or at least they were brought up enormously in the mix).  While I can see the value in making these kind of little changes in order to improve a track in a subtle way, in the case of Wild, it's a completely different arrangement - it's virtually a different song, quite honestly.  They must have really disliked their original arrangement in order to attempt to erase it from history; either that, or there was some contractual issue with a session musician who played on it, or something like that.
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Post by: Rocket Surgery on April 10, 2018, 09:14:44 AM
Fleetwood Womack

Womack Betty (bam-a-lam)
Womack Betty (bam-a-lam)
'mack Betty had a child (bam-a-lam)
The damn thing gone wild (bam-a-lam)
She said "I'm worrin' outta my mind" (bam-a-lam)
The damn thing gone blind (bam-a-lam)


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Post by: buzby on April 10, 2018, 09:47:19 AM

Yes, that's the explanation I've heard before too.  In Violet, the movie samples were actually added in the remixed version, along with some extra background vocal overdubs (or at least they were brought up enormously in the mix).  While I can see the value in making these kind of little changes in order to improve a track in a subtle way, in the case of Wild, it's a completely different arrangement - it's virtually a different song, quite honestly.  They must have really disliked their original arrangement in order to attempt to erase it from history; either that, or there was some contractual issue with a session musician who played on it, or something like that.
Yes, I got the versions of Violet the wrong way round, sorry.
Not knowing when to stop fiddling with things is one of Trevor Horn's defining traits (it's how Grace Jones ended up with an album out of one song).

On the different version of Wild, there's far less rock guitar on the remixed version. The liner notes show Trevor Rabin (ex 90125-era Yes songwriter/guitarist, and writer of Owner Of A Lonely Heart) was one of the musicians on the record. It does sound like his style of playing on the premix version of Wild - perhaps Seal and Horn thought it was too 'rock' for the album?

A few years later Rabin and Horn seem to have had a bit of a falling out over Horn taking credit for Owner Of A Lonely Heart and 90125 (Rabin released his original 1981 demos of OOALH and his other contributions on 90124 in 2003 to show how much of the finished album was his work). Maybe the falling out between Rabin and Horn goes back to the sessions for Seal's album, and led to Wild being rerecorded? They seem to have made up by 2004 as Rabin appeared at Horn's Slaves To The Rhythm charity concert, though things between them seem to have turned frosty again since
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Post by: daf on April 10, 2018, 11:47:38 AM
I'm still not clear if these edits were made in an album release prior to the one which got Leave Me Alone added to it.  From that thread you linked, it does sound a bit like there were a number of re-releases, with small changes made incrementally.

Leave me alone was always on the CD - so the original version will also have that track present.

A good rule of thumb is if you have a CD with the red 'bonus track' splodge on the cover and the old Epic logo (big rounded 'E') on the disc and back cover, it should have the original versions :
(https://img.discogs.com/7aInHgQbS8W1iXirTisWTiz0YHs=/fit-in/300x300/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(40)/discogs-images/R-5836872-1482050143-8931.jpeg.jpg) (https://img.discogs.com/xWSGPPC1X-i5wjrAuJbwb4auKFE=/fit-in/300x300/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(40)/discogs-images/R-5836872-1482051678-3139.jpeg.jpg)
https://www.discogs.com/Michael-Jackson-Bad/release/5836872

Thread here has some tips on other identifiers to look out for (track timings, country of manufacture, barcode, matrix numbers etc.)
http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/how-can-you-identify-the-original-michael-jackson-bad-cd-with-original-mixes.230535/

Another reason to get the original version is that it's a pre-loudness wars mastering: over the years re-issues kept getting louder - crushing the dynamics out of it (meaning the drum 'hits' were actually becoming quieter and had less impact in comparison to the surrounding music) - the 25 anniversary edition is a real blaring brick-wall shocker!

The dynamic range of the original CD was around 14 - by the special edition in 2012 it had dropped to 7 :
http://dr.loudness-war.info/album/list?artist=Michael+jackson&album=bad
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Post by: TheMonk on April 10, 2018, 12:21:14 PM
Fleetwood Womack
May I now point out yesterday I wasn’t far off the mark.
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Post by: kngen on April 10, 2018, 12:53:36 PM
The dynamic range of the original CD was around 14 - by the special edition in 2012 it had dropped to 7 :
http://dr.loudness-war.info/album/list?artist=Michael+jackson&album=bad

Holy crap! What a great resource - I'm now looking up every remastered/'anniversary edition' album I thought sounded like crap and - hey presto - they've been compressed until the pips squeak!
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Post by: thecuriousorange on April 12, 2018, 03:13:47 PM
Norman Cook is responsible for more hits than most people realise.
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Post by: DrGreggles on April 12, 2018, 06:45:01 PM
Norman Cook is responsible for more hits than most people realise.

Norman Cook is really called Quentin.
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Post by: Sebastian Cobb on April 12, 2018, 07:03:37 PM
Holy crap! What a great resource - I'm now looking up every remastered/'anniversary edition' album I thought sounded like crap and - hey presto - they've been compressed until the pips squeak!

I think a lot of the time 'remasters' literally are code for 'we brick-walled it'.
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Post by: georgetaylor on April 13, 2018, 03:41:32 PM
Amazing!

Though from listening to the links, I don't think I've heard the Heather Small version before - the voice has a totally different texture to what I remember

I have also never heard the so called Heather Smalls version. It's Loletta Hollaway on the album as well. I call shenanigans on the whole business.
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Post by: popcorn on April 13, 2018, 05:18:38 PM
Who's the babe on all the Black Box cover art then?

edit: apparently it was a model called Katrin Quinol, who was hired purely to be on the cover art and lip sync in music videos and stuff. So Ride on Time was originally sung by one person, then covertly sung by Heather Small, and then Katrin Quinol pretended to be singing it on telly.
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Post by: popcorn on April 13, 2018, 06:19:32 PM
This one is probably not of much interest to many here, but Muse are famous for (among other things, good and bad) their distorted fuzzy basslines. But lots of them (like Hysteria and Time is Running Out) are actually just synth, or synth doubled with bass guitar. The bassist, Chris Wolstenholme, has explained this in interviews but somehow the information has never disseminated and Youtube remains full of people claiming to have "nailed the tone of <whatever song>" with an elaborate series of effect units. In fact I've even been downvoted on Reddit for pointing this out occasionally on "how do I create this sound?" threads.

I think it's a strange example of rockism in action - people love that these sounds seem to come from a bass guitar and are allergic to keyboards.
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Post by: Better Midlands on April 13, 2018, 07:31:06 PM
I have also never heard the so called Heather Smalls version. It's Loletta Hollaway on the album as well. I call shenanigans on the whole business.

Interestingly the UK CD credits Holloway as a guest on Ride On Time

(https://img.discogs.com/69mvItoWClujVNdF57q7wn5hjaA=/fit-in/300x300/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(40)/discogs-images/R-204216-1174565949.jpeg.jpg)s

Possibly because the royalties are spilt between the 9 tracks on the LP meaning that the share was worth the payment?

Buzby????
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Post by: buzby on April 14, 2018, 12:58:37 AM
Interestingly the UK CD credits Holloway as a guest on Ride On Time

(https://img.discogs.com/69mvItoWClujVNdF57q7wn5hjaA=/fit-in/300x300/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(40)/discogs-images/R-204216-1174565949.jpeg.jpg)s

Possibly because the royalties are spilt between the 9 tracks on the LP meaning that the share was worth the payment?

Buzby????
That's the second pressing of the UK CD, which presumably came after Holloway's lawsuit was settled. The initial pressing (with the same catalogue number) doesn't credit Holloway, though Dan Hartman has a writing credit (he didn't on the original Italian and French releases):
(https://img.discogs.com/QhyBu5N8gdSE7qNs0QYVRQW2Lyk=/fit-in/600x598/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-4160664-1357328719-4069.jpeg.jpg)

She was also credited on the initial US and Canadian releases. The album was reissued in 1995 in the US, by which time Martha Wash's lawsuit had been settled (out of court in December 1990) and she is credited on the other tracks (she had been paid a session fee to record vocals for demos that she was told would be rerecorded by other vocalists - Katrin Quinol was credited as the vocalist on the album, but they had used the vocals from Wash's demos). Interestingly, Holloway isn't credited on this reissue, as they had subbed in the 'UK Remix' of Ride On Time with Heather Small's vocals instead.
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Post by: thecuriousorange on April 14, 2018, 04:12:08 PM
Edward Furlong (The boy from Terminator 2) released an album that was a massive hit in Japan.
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Post by: Crabwalk on April 15, 2018, 07:25:36 PM
I’m sure I’m the last in class to discover that the ‘Hey, hey hey hey’ hook from Massive Attack’s ‘Unfinished Sympathy’ isn’t Sara Nelson, but a sample from this track by Mahavishnu Orchestra:

https://youtu.be/cxemCkIFFig (https://youtu.be/cxemCkIFFig)
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Post by: Dr Syntax Head on April 15, 2018, 09:08:00 PM


I think it's a strange example of rockism in action - people love that these sounds seem to come from a bass guitar and are allergic to keyboards.

I felt this when I made a song a couple weeks back and because I didn't have my bass at the time had to use a synth bass. I didn't like it because it wasn't a bass guitar. Stupid because it sounds ok actually. I'll still probably re record the bass when I get it back though, the little accidental notes you get as you slide over the strings etc are what make it.
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Post by: Oops! Wrong Planet on April 16, 2018, 02:20:13 AM
I’m sure I’m the last in class to discover that the ‘Hey, hey hey hey’ hook from Massive Attack’s ‘Unfinished Sympathy’ isn’t Sara Nelson, but a sample from this track by Mahavishnu Orchestra:

https://youtu.be/cxemCkIFFig (https://youtu.be/cxemCkIFFig)

I think it's the only song Ralphe Armstrong wrote and sang for Mahavishnu. Definitely the least typical of their work.
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on April 16, 2018, 04:40:50 PM
I've only just discovered that Who Do You Think You Are? by Saint Etienne is a cover of a 1974 hit by Opportunity Knocks winners Candlewick Green.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evZbeUAMoYg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evZbeUAMoYg)

This is probably a piece of common knowledge that I've somehow managed to miss until now.
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Post by: oopett on April 16, 2018, 04:44:13 PM
Perry Farrell of Jane's Addiction chose this stage name because in his mind it sounded like Peripheral.


God knows!
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Post by: daf on April 16, 2018, 05:02:28 PM
Larry Parnes wanted to re-name Joe Brown 'Elmer Twitch' (!)

The 'Parnes Shilling & Pence' Stage Name/Real Name Pub Quiz Crib Sheet: *
Tommy Steele = Thomas Hicks
Marty Wilde = Reg Smith
Vince Eager = Roy Taylor
Billy Fury = Ronald Wycherley
Dickie Pride = Richard Knellar
Johnny Gentle  = John Askew
Duffy Power  = Ray Howard
Lance Fortune = Chris Morris
Terry Dene = Terence Williams
Nelson Keene = Malcolm Holland
Barry Ponce = Paul Gadd
Georgie Fame = Clive Powell
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
* (OK - I might have made one of those up . . . ah, but which one?)
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Post by: buzby on April 16, 2018, 08:12:30 PM
Larry Parnes wanted to re-name Joe Brown 'Elmer Twitch' (!)

The 'Parnes Shilling & Pence' Stage Name/Real Name Pub Quiz Crib Sheet: *
Tommy Steele = Thomas Hicks
Marty Wilde = Reg Smith
Vince Eager = Roy Taylor
Billy Fury = Ronald Wycherley
Dickie Pride = Richard Knellar
Johnny Gentle  = John Askew
Duffy Power  = Ray Howard
Lance Fortune = Chris Morris
Terry Dene = Terence Williams
Nelson Keene = Malcolm Holland
Barry Ponce = Paul Gadd
Georgie Fame = Clive Powell
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
* (OK - I might have made one of those up . . . ah, but which one?)
*coughs*
See the "People who are not called what they're called (https://www.cookdandbombd.co.uk/forums/index.php/topic,65165.msg3384332.html?PHPSESSID=k2gpggkbl5qo66vkksi0rvlcr4#msg3384332)" thread from February.
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Post by: daf on April 16, 2018, 08:39:14 PM
Oops - I somehow managed to miss that thread completely!

Aside from old Elmer Twitch, here was one other Parnes performer that used his own name : Tommy Bruce
Quote
Backed by the Bruisers, a group of Birmingham musicians, he toured the UK on large variety bills with Billy Fury and others and they made a number of television appearances. However, his subsequent record releases were less successful, only "Broken Doll" and "Babette" making the Top 50. From 1963, he became a regular performer on the ITV variety show Stars and Garters, becoming involved in comedy routines as well as singing. Although he recorded further songs for a number of labels between 1965 and 1969, he largely made a living in cabaret, much of it in Spain and Malta, and also made appearances on the 1960s nostalgia circuit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Bruce
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Post by: thecuriousorange on April 16, 2018, 10:24:16 PM
I'm guessing you all know that Axl Rose is an anagram of Oral Sex.

New page his real name is Bill Bailey.
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Post by: Jockice on April 17, 2018, 07:36:51 AM
I'm guessing you all know that Axl Rose is an anagram of Oral Sex.

New page his real name is Bill Bailey.

And he never went home either.
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Post by: canadagoose on April 18, 2018, 10:35:47 PM
In Debbie Harry's 1986 single "French Kissin", she's singing "embrasser, c'est français" ("kissing is French") in the French bit. For some reason I just heard it as garbled nonsense before now.
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Post by: Better Midlands on April 18, 2018, 11:30:17 PM
In Debbie Harry's 1986 single "French Kissin", she's singing "embrasser, c'est français" ("kissing is French") in the French bit. For some reason I just heard it as garbled nonsense before now.

French Kissin' was written by Chuck Lorre producer of Deux Hommes Et Demi & La théorie Du Big Bang.
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Post by: Pseudopath on April 19, 2018, 02:31:33 AM
French Kissin' was written by Chuck Lorre producer of Deux Hommes Et Demi & La théorie Du Big Bang.

Indeed. He also co-wrote the theme tune to Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.
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Post by: itsfredtitmus on April 20, 2018, 08:22:18 PM
I'm guessing you all know that Axl Rose is an anagram of Oral Sex.

New page his real name is Bill Bailey.
november rain
mr boner
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Post by: holyzombiejesus on May 14, 2018, 08:20:37 PM
The latest Grouper album (that I've been listening to over the last fortnight and thought quite poor and dreary) actually plays at 45rpm, not 33.
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Post by: Better Midlands on May 14, 2018, 10:59:14 PM
One member of the duo DNA who remixed Suzanne Vega's - Tom's Diner and made it a top 5 hit in the UK & US in the early 90s was a co founder of Lovehoney the online sex toy retailer which had a turnover of £76 million in 2016.

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Post by: Jockice on May 21, 2018, 10:10:02 PM
Lena Zavaroni was signed to Stax Records in America.
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Post by: Psmith on May 25, 2018, 03:04:38 AM
If Paul Simon makes a mistake in a concert ,to penalize himself ,he performs the song he hates.
The 59th Street Bridge Song (Feelin' Groovy)
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Post by: TheMonk on May 25, 2018, 03:31:52 AM
If Paul Simon makes a mistake in a concert ,to penalize himself ,he performs the song he hates.
The 59th Street Bridge Song (Feelin' Groovy)
Didn’t James Brown make his band play that one when they fucked up?
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Post by: Psmith on May 25, 2018, 04:47:08 AM
Dunno.
Perhaps lots of people do.It's not very good is it  :)
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Post by: phantom_power on May 25, 2018, 07:16:40 AM
It was a fuck my hat moment to find out in that other thread that Buck and Stipe feature on You Woke Up My Neighbourhood by Billy Bragg
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Post by: Neville Chamberlain on May 25, 2018, 09:15:45 AM
The two nearly-nude ladies on the cover of Roxy Music's Country Life were Michael Karoli's cousin and girlfriend!

Well fuck my hat!
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Post by: non capisco on June 07, 2018, 11:38:54 PM
Debbie Harry's initial plan was to record 'The Tide Is High' as a solo single with The Specials backing her. They were pretty much disintegrating at the time so she did it with Blondie instead. I have just one source for this, a book about 2-Tone that I'm currently reading, so it might be bollocks.
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Post by: buzby on June 08, 2018, 10:37:11 AM
Debbie Harry's initial plan was to record 'The Tide Is High' as a solo single with The Specials backing her. They were pretty much disintegrating at the time so she did it with Blondie instead. I have just one source for this, a book about 2-Tone that I'm currently reading, so it might be bollocks.
Chris Stein mentioned it is an interview in the May 2008 issue of Mojo - they found the track on a Virgin reggae compilation and had the idea of asking The Specials (who were their label-mates on Chrysalis) to provide the backing for Debbie with Lynval Golding producing. They approached them with the idea but The Specials turned them down. Chris and Debbie had got to know them during their 1980 US tour (Horace Panter mentions in Ska'd For Life that a few of them hung out at Debbie & Chris's apartment and they came to see them on the last date of the tour in NY).

It's briefly mentioned in this interview (http://therebelmagazine.blogspot.com/2011/02/blog-post.html) with Roddy 'Radiation' Byers where he confirms he was told about it and that Dammers turned it down. Ultimately they ended up using the horn section from the Johnny Carson house band on the record.
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Post by: Dr Rock on June 08, 2018, 01:38:28 PM
Heart Of Glass started out reggae too. It's, er, not very good.

https://youtu.be/QS_6LLam0Qs
 (https://youtu.be/QS_6LLam0Qs)
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Post by: Rocket Surgery on June 09, 2018, 04:32:35 AM
One member of the duo DNA who remixed Suzanne Vega's - Tom's Diner and made it a top 5 hit in the UK & US in the early 90s was a co founder of Lovehoney the online sex toy retailer which had a turnover of £76 million in 2016.

I thought I'd already posted this, but it took me a while to realise that that DNA had nothing to do with Arto Lindsay and co's No Wave angularists.
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Post by: smudge1971 on June 09, 2018, 02:49:55 PM
The 'rudey' sting on the Adam Buxton Podcasts is from the end of Safe European Home. Only just realised yesterday.
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Post by: Gregory Torso on June 09, 2018, 03:06:51 PM
The two nearly-nude ladies on the cover of Roxy Music's Country Life were Michael Karoli's cousin and girlfriend!


The cover of that record is one of my earliest "what is this weird feeling in my willy?" memories.
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Post by: kngen on June 09, 2018, 04:40:18 PM
Less of a 'I didn't know that' than a 'I fucking thought so, but couldn't prove it at the time' but Bad Romance by Lady Gaga does, I've since discovered, sample the hoover-drone hook of Dominator by Human Resource (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dohzrXT09w), but didn't credit it. Thieving cow.
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Post by: Better Midlands on June 09, 2018, 07:11:55 PM
Less of a 'I didn't know that' than a 'I fucking thought so, but couldn't prove it at the time' but Bad Romance by Lady Gaga does, I've since discovered, sample the hoover-drone hook of Dominator by Human Resource (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dohzrXT09w), but didn't credit it. Thieving cow.

It's a synth patch from early 90's the Roland Alpha Juno-2, Alpha Juno 1, or rack mount version MKS-50

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoover_sound

Someone playing Dominator
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FYfRSTvspk
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Post by: Bobby Treetops on June 10, 2018, 01:26:03 PM
Dr Rock's avatar

(http://www.angelfire.com/oz/natgallery0/noosha1.jpg)

Is Noosha Fox the lead singer of Fox.

And I never realized they had a Top Of The Pops appearance until five minutes ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HMKguovcqw
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Post by: Jockice on June 10, 2018, 01:43:23 PM
Dr Rock's avatar

(http://www.angelfire.com/oz/natgallery0/noosha1.jpg)

Is Noosha Fox the lead singer of Fox.

And I never realized they had a Top Of The Pops appearance until five minutes ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HMKguovcqw

And, of course, Ben Goldacre is her son.
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Post by: sevendaughters on June 10, 2018, 04:20:46 PM
I haven't read all of this thread but here's one I learned just yesterday: 'Video Killed The Radio Star' was released by someone else before The Buggles did it, like, one of the other writers of the song under his own given name. Not super impressive, no, but was genuinely taken aback.
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Post by: Pseudopath on June 10, 2018, 04:38:46 PM
Yep...Bruce Woolley and The Camera Club (with Thomas Dolby on keyboards) recorded it the year before: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HLwljnmzR8
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Post by: daf on June 10, 2018, 05:34:27 PM
And I never realized they had a Top Of The Pops appearance until five minutes ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HMKguovcqw

Not only that, but they appeared on the very first show of the BBC 4 repeats. This is the song that got me hooked on the show - total classic!

1 April 1976 : Presenter: Tony Blackburn

(21)    SAILOR – Girls Girls Girls (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHDn34IQgyo)
(25)    DIANA ROSS – Theme From ‘Mahogany’  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-URh4omrVe0)(Do You Know Where You’re Going To) (video)
(NEW)    TARNEY & SPENCER – I’m Your Man Rock ‘N’ Roll (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIA7eQq3Xik)
(14)    ABBA – Fernando (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8kUPCtILGY) (video)
(NEW)    LAURIE ANDREW – I’ll Never Love Anyone Anymore (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjHaLjJObFE)
(18)    HANK MIZELL – Jungle Rock (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVOctBA7MHw) (danced to by Pan’s People)
(4)    JOHN MILES – Music (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrrY_vRb7Fc)  (. . . News!)
(NEW)    FOX – S-S-S-Single Bed (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfluU6wTbzc)
(22)    THE BEATLES – Hey Jude (video)
(1)    BROTHERHOOD OF MAN – Save Your Kisses For Me (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaRwnsm952g)
(12)    THE DRIFTERS – Hello Happiness (and credits)

The second performance from April 15 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENnu_9qQwM4) (featuring a groovin' Hairy Cornflake in the background) - is the source of Dr Rock's pic (specifically at 1:20 in this clip - on the Word "Pour").
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Post by: Norton Canes on June 29, 2018, 09:58:31 AM
Big Audio Dynamite's E=MC2 is about the films of Nicholas Roeg (https://genius.com/Big-audio-dynamite-e-mc2-lyrics).
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Post by: buzby on June 29, 2018, 11:03:03 AM
Big Audio Dynamite's E=MC2 is about the films of Nicholas Roeg (https://genius.com/Big-audio-dynamite-e-mc2-lyrics).
Hence the dialogue samples from Performance and the video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHTDkJ-bQqM) using clips from his films
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Post by: studpuppet on June 29, 2018, 12:55:42 PM
Hence the dialogue samples from Performance and the video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHTDkJ-bQqM) using clips from his films

Bummed is also littered with Performance references and soundbites including this first line (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtpD5mOgyKo).
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Post by: Brundle-Fly on July 01, 2018, 03:07:59 AM
During the Absolute Beginners (1986) OST recording, David Bowie confessed to his producer, Clive Langer that Ashes To Ashes rhythmicality was entirely inspired by My Girl by Madness .

Blimey!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMThz7eQ6K0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbVktaE0llk&frags=pl%2Cwn

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Post by: Jockice on July 01, 2018, 12:21:28 PM
During the Absolute Beginners (1986) OST recording, David Bowie confessed to his producer, Clive Langer that Ashes To Ashes rhythmicality was entirely inspired by My Girl by Madness .

Blimey!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMThz7eQ6K0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbVktaE0llk&frags=pl%2Cwn

Blimey indeed. My Major Tom's mad at me.
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Post by: boki on July 02, 2018, 12:14:35 PM
Blimey indeed. My Major Tom's mad at me.
Why can't he see,
Space travel's alright with me,
But I want to stay in,
And watch TV,
And not shoot smack,
Every now and then?
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Post by: thecuriousorange on July 04, 2018, 01:29:44 PM
Unfinished Symphony by Massive Attack is actually called Unfinished Sympathy. I always thought they had kept the working title Unfinished Symphony to be a bit meta. I also don't really care for the song, which explains my lack of attention.
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Post by: Crabwalk on July 04, 2018, 02:33:59 PM
I also don't really care for the song

Fuck my hat, I didn't know there was anyone indifferent to that song. Thought it was one of those that everyone at least liked.
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Post by: phantom_power on July 04, 2018, 02:39:58 PM
My "fuck my hat" thing with Massive Attack was how much their first album is based on samples. I used to think it was good for a hip hop group at the time to have so much real instrumentation until the power of the internet showed my just how much each song is based on the wholesale sampling of a couple of tracks each. It doesn't make me love the album less but it was a bit of a shock
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Post by: Fisher Goes Berserk on July 04, 2018, 02:50:58 PM
I love this thread. You probably all know these two already though:

The guitar solo in Orange Juice's 'Rip It Up' is inspired by the guitar solo in the Buzzcocks' 'Boredom', the song referenced in the lyrics immediately before the solo.

The melody of Abba's 'SOS' is based on the Morse code for SOS.
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Post by: Larry Heliotrope on July 05, 2018, 10:16:40 PM
Here's one for Nuggets fans that I only found out recently after owning the album for several decades: the vocalist on Sagittarius' My World Fell Down is Glen Campbell.
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Post by: gilbertharding on July 06, 2018, 12:00:57 PM
Here's one for Nuggets fans that I only found out recently after owning the album for several decades: the vocalist on Sagittarius' My World Fell Down is Glen Campbell.

Confusingly - for Freakbeat fans in a pre-internet age - Glen Campbell was also in The Misunderstood. Of course it's not the same Glen Campbell.

If you've never heard The Misunderstood, get your ears on the outside of this for a kickoff: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5V8yhBtu7U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5V8yhBtu7U)
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Post by: hummingofevil on July 07, 2018, 01:10:26 AM
Matt Sweeney of Chavez, Zwan, Bonnie Prince Billy Superwolf was guitarist on Adele's 21.
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Post by: hummingofevil on July 07, 2018, 01:15:58 AM
Judge Jules is also the bloke that did a DJ set* at a tiny, ropey-looking nightclub called 'Woodside's" near Hatfield in about 1990. That was the night I met another bloke at the bar whose opening gambit was, "I've killed with these hands." He was a Falklands veteran with PTSD who offered my mate and I a lift home after we'd watched him down four pints. We called a cab...

*The set was unremarkable.

I went to a Judge Jules set in a house party. I was meant to be a competition for the public to win in Mixmag or somewhere but they rigged the whole thing and it was in one of the editor's mate's sweet pad in North London somewhere.
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Post by: the on July 08, 2018, 09:52:30 PM
Not sure if it belongs on this thread, but:

I was watching a documentary about the Glasgow Underground, and halfway through a piece of (presumably) library music comes on, and it's where the 'Jack Pot and Tom Bola' noise comes from in The Fast Show:

https://youtu.be/2vEEfKLK0g4?t=16m43s (https://youtu.be/2vEEfKLK0g4?t=16m43s)
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Post by: buzby on July 08, 2018, 10:41:29 PM
Not sure if it belongs on this thread, but:

I was watching a documentary about the Glasgow Underground, and halfway through a piece of (presumably) library music comes on, and it's where the 'Jack Pot and Tom Bola' noise comes from in The Fast Show:

https://youtu.be/2vEEfKLK0g4?t=16m43s (https://youtu.be/2vEEfKLK0g4?t=16m43s)

Francis Monkman - Perpetual Motion (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVnJFBKsMg8) from the seminal Bruton library LP Energism & Futurism (https://www.juno.co.uk/products/francis-monkman-energism-futurism-futuristic-electronic-music/556207-01/)
Most of the music in that film comes from that LP. Tracks on it were also used for on US TV for NFLand NBA broadcasts and as incidental music in Prisoner: Cell Block H. Monkman also supplied the music for The Long Good Friday (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAXxYKave6o)
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Post by: Psmith on July 11, 2018, 10:37:37 PM
Karen Carpenter was a kick ass drummer.
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Post by: studpuppet on July 12, 2018, 12:48:47 PM
Karen Carpenter was a kick ass drummer.

That is pretty well known TBF - considering it was part of their act, and she used to sing from behind them occasionally.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdHyzGXAJPg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdHyzGXAJPg) (nice cameo from John 'Leaving On A Jet Plane' Denver there)
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Post by: JarrowMonkey on July 12, 2018, 04:05:57 PM
Billy Joel played piano on a recording session for Leader of the Pack, although he's almost certain his bit wasn't in the released version

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Post by: thecuriousorange on July 12, 2018, 09:26:52 PM
For a second I thought you meant I'm the Leader of the Gang (I Am).
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Post by: JesusAndYourBush on July 13, 2018, 02:02:21 AM
Billy Joel played piano on a recording session for Leader of the Pack, although he's almost certain his bit wasn't in the released version

And Iggy Pop played drums - not on the records but on a few of their live performances.
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Post by: a duncandisorderly on July 13, 2018, 04:52:43 PM
it is claimed by steve tyler & others that the drum-break which opens "walk this way" was created by tyler, himself a decent drummer, while he & perry were waiting for the rest of the band to join them for a soundcheck in honolulu, whilst touring as support for the guess who.

the song's title came later; while they were recording it in new york, they went to see "young frankenstein"....
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Post by: Sebastian Cobb on July 13, 2018, 07:19:05 PM
And Iggy Pop played drums - not on the records but on a few of their live performances.

I've got the first Shangri-las lp. Side 2 is a load of live recordings. They're really good and garagey which makes a good contrast to their studio stuff.

Most lp's from girl groups featured their good singles padded out with a load of guff. This is much better, probably one of my favourites.
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Post by: a duncandisorderly on July 13, 2018, 07:23:07 PM
Billy Joel played piano on a recording session for Leader of the Pack, although he's almost certain his bit wasn't in the released version

the bloke on the right on this fabulous album cover is mr joel. I haven't played my copy yet, but I'm going to soon.

(https://midletonrared.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/tumblr_n8yctzvgw91qe0b89o2_1280.jpg?w=1400)
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Post by: sprocket on July 14, 2018, 10:37:42 AM
John Barnes' uncle used to manage Marvin Gaye, I can only imagine the tales he got to swap with Alan Curbishley when playing for Charlton.
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Post by: Better Midlands on July 14, 2018, 10:56:53 AM
John Barnes' uncle used to manage Marvin Gaye, I can only imagine the tales he got to swap with Alan Curbishley when playing for Charlton.

When Marvin Gaye moved to Belgium for two years.

http://drownedinsound.com/in_depth/4146614-whats-going-on-how-belgium-saved-marvin-gaye
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Post by: JarrowMonkey on July 14, 2018, 11:13:57 PM
John Barnes' uncle used to manage Marvin Gaye, I can only imagine the tales he got to swap with Alan Curbishley when playing for Charlton.

And the one on the left was his best mate, Jon Small,  who's wife Billy Joel fucked off with and married. She's a right bitch by all accounts, when Joel wrote 'Just the way you are' for her, she asked 'Do,I get the royalties too?'

Billy Joel - complete fanny rat
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Post by: Cuntbeaks on July 15, 2018, 12:08:17 AM
Yep - hence the first album cover:

(https://media.pitchfork.com/photos/5929a165ea9e61561daa47b5/1:1/w_320/5b46e7f4.jpg)

One of the finest album covers of all time, the original vinyl is particularly striking.

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Post by: daf on July 20, 2018, 12:24:06 PM
Probably a bit niche / 'who cares' this one, but the bassline on Fixing a Hole by The Batchie Beatles is played by Ol' fat-fingers Lennon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmAvXJnI4ZY

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So, who played what?  Beatles road manager Neil Aspinall, writing in the magazine “The Beatles Monthly,” claims to have witnessed Paul playing the distinctive harpsichord part.  And, while engineer Richard Lush wasn’t present on this day, he is quoted in Andy Babiuk’s book “Beatles Gear” as saying:  "I do remember that Lennon played the bass on that track.  He used a Fender bass on it.  If you play the album you can pick it out because it’s very simple, and a ploppy sort of sound.  It didn’t sound as rich as Paul’s Rickenbacker bass."

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However, George Martin, in his book "Summer Of Love," insists that Paul relinquished the keyboard role on the song to him while Paul took up his usual instrument of bass guitar.

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However, the 2017 release of the 50th Anniversary Edition of the "Sgt. Pepper" album settles the issue once and for all.  It appears that 'take one' of "Fixing A Hole," which was used for the finished product, was "bounced back to the four-track from another machine" to become 'take two,' as documented in the liner notes of the above mentined release.  'Take three,' which is contained on this reissue as a bonus track, shows that the obvious musician playing the harpsichord on the song is Paul as Neil Aspinall remembered, him singing lead vocals at the same time.  Therefore we can conclude that Richard Lush was correct when he assumed John was on bass, this being reiterated by Kevin Howlett's liner notes for the "Sgt. Pepper" 50th Anniversary release in 2017. This, of course, would leave the maraca playing to be by George Harrison, his lead guitar work being added in later as an overdub.  Mystery solved!

And there's a further wrinkle to the recording session:
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There is one other person known to have been present on this day.  Paul relates:  “The funny thing about that was the night when we were going to record it, at Regent Sound Studios at Tottenham Court Road, I brought a guy who was Jesus.  A guy arrived at my front gate and I said, ‘Yes? Hello’ because I always used to answer it to everyone.  If they were boring I would say, ‘Sorry, no,’ and they generally went away.  This guy said, ‘I’m Jesus Christ.’  I said, ‘Oop,’ slightly shocked.  I said, ‘Well, you’d better come in then.’  I thought, Well, it probably isn’t.  But if he is, I’m not going to be the one to turn him away.  So I gave him a cup of tea and we just chatted and I asked, ‘Why do you think you are Jesus?’  There were a lot of casualties about then.  We used to get a lot of people who were maybe insecure or going through emotional breakdowns or whatever.”

“So I said, ‘I’ve got to go to a session but if you promise to be very quiet and just sit in a corner, you can come.’  So he did, he came to the session and he did sit very quietly and I never saw him after that.  I introduced him to the guys.  They said, ‘Who’s this?’  I said, ‘He’s Jesus Christ.’  We had a bit of a giggle over that…But that was it.  Last we ever saw of Jesus!”
http://www.beatlesebooks.com/fixing-a-hole
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Post by: a duncandisorderly on July 21, 2018, 01:30:29 PM
Probably a bit niche / 'who cares' this one, but the bassline on Fixing a Hole by The Batchie Beatles is played by Ol' fat-fingers Lennon.


there are pics of both george h & lennon playing a fender VI on the occasions when macca was committed to a keyboard role; I'd not heard it mentioned of this track though- seems early for the use of the fender instruments, which arrived (IIRC) as a job-lot, fender trying to woo the fabs away from the vox/rickenbacker stuff. the late ian mcdonald (whose brother is bassist bill mccormick of matching mole/801 fame) described lennon's playing on the 'let it be' sessions as 'prodding', & as an owner of a fender VI, I can see why this might be the case for a guitarist- they're hard enough for a bass player to navigate. jack bruce probably did better at it than most.

(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-UQ2go63FZJs/V41XwymNd9I/AAAAAAAAA9M/d_sj4ubz0eQnKfFz3cVQonru7wPsJqg-gCLcB/s1600/john-lennon-bass-vi.jpg)

(http://www.dolphinmusic.co.uk/shop_image/uploads/Image/heyjude.jpg)

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Post by: non capisco on July 31, 2018, 11:33:01 AM
Contemporaneous with the Velvet Underground that we all know and love there was a completely unconnected Australian band also called The Velvet Underground that featured Malcolm Young from AC/DC.
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Post by: a duncandisorderly on August 03, 2018, 09:04:04 PM
lemon pipers ('green tambourine') = ram jam ('black betty')
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Post by: QDRPHNC on August 03, 2018, 09:53:14 PM
Less "I didn't know that" than "How did they do that?", but the video for Weezer's Buddy Holly (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kemivUKb4f4) popped up on YouTube today, and it's pretty well done, back in 1994. What was it? Clever editing? There are clearly some shots where the cast interacts with the band that are a teensy bit off looking, but really very good for the time, and what I assume wasn't a huge budget.
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Post by: Twed on August 03, 2018, 10:00:51 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddy_Holly_(song)#Music_video
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Post by: thecuriousorange on August 03, 2018, 10:11:44 PM
That bassline on Sheep by Pink Floyd is played by David Gilmour.

Not Roger Waters, like you think.
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Post by: Avril Lavigne on August 03, 2018, 10:42:01 PM
This may have already been mentioned, but Jimmy Somerville off of Bronski Beat once made a cameo appearance in the late '90s Canadian/German borderline-softcore-porn sci-fi-fantasy-black-comedy-adventure Lexx.
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Post by: Brundle-Fly on August 03, 2018, 11:30:40 PM
Been a fan of The Mike Sammes Singers for years

Stingray theme off of Stingray (1964)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuG67u6iAog&frags=pl%2Cwn

South American Getaway from Butch Cassidy & The Sundance Kid (1969)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jw_hee-7R_o&frags=pl%2Cwn

Just discovered they provided all the "Wooos", "Hahhahha", "AAaaaAaahh" "coo coo ca choos " for I Am The Warlus last week.

Obv, no Beatles YT link.






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Post by: a duncandisorderly on August 04, 2018, 01:27:59 AM
Less "I didn't know that" than "How did they do that?", but the video for Weezer's Buddy Holly (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kemivUKb4f4) popped up on YouTube today, and it's pretty well done, back in 1994. What was it? Clever editing? There are clearly some shots where the cast interacts with the band that are a teensy bit off looking, but really very good for the time, and what I assume wasn't a huge budget.

this used to air a lot on Mtv in the 90s, & if it came on overnight, & we were sat in TX wasted on the spliff, I would wait for the 'stay tuned for more happy days' bit & then lunge forward & freeze the playback for as long as we dared leave it. seemed like ages, probably only twenty or thirty seconds.
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Post by: Uncle TechTip on August 04, 2018, 10:59:15 AM
Haha, I bet there's people out there who now say "they've cut it, the gap used to be much longer when I saw it back in the day"
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Post by: studpuppet on September 11, 2018, 09:28:40 AM
It wasn't even Jasper Carrott!

https://twitter.com/marklewisohn/status/1039429309797158912 (https://twitter.com/marklewisohn/status/1039429309797158912)
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Post by: studpuppet on September 11, 2018, 09:34:20 AM
Been a fan of The Mike Sammes Singers for years

Presume you have Music For Biscuits? Nice story about how these were rescued here: http://www.trunkrecords.com/turntable/biscuits.shtml (http://www.trunkrecords.com/turntable/biscuits.shtml)
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Post by: Norton Canes on September 11, 2018, 09:45:51 AM
this used to air a lot on Mtv in the 90s, & if it came on overnight, & we were sat in TX wasted on the spliff, I would wait for the 'stay tuned for more happy days' bit & then lunge forward & freeze the playback for as long as we dared leave it. seemed like ages, probably only twenty or thirty seconds

I used to work in TX suites. This made me laugh.

Was this MTV in Camden?
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Post by: the on September 11, 2018, 09:49:39 AM
Less "I didn't know that" than "How did they do that?", but the video for Weezer's Buddy Holly (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kemivUKb4f4) popped up on YouTube today, and it's pretty well done, back in 1994. What was it? Clever editing? There are clearly some shots where the cast interacts with the band that are a teensy bit off looking, but really very good for the time, and what I assume wasn't a huge budget.

Real set, real Al (with by-then-grey hair sprayed black), clips from episodes, and when you see the band in the same shot as cast members, they're body doubles shown from behind (except for real Al).
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Post by: kidsick5000 on September 11, 2018, 10:02:26 AM
it is claimed by steve tyler & others that the drum-break which opens "walk this way" was created by tyler, himself a decent drummer, while he & perry were waiting for the rest of the band to join them for a soundcheck in honolulu, whilst touring as support for the guess who.

the song's title came later; while they were recording it in new york, they went to see "young frankenstein"....

Really? Now that's an FMH
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Post by: DrGreggles on September 11, 2018, 10:39:48 AM
It wasn't even Jasper Carrott!

https://twitter.com/marklewisohn/status/1039429309797158912 (https://twitter.com/marklewisohn/status/1039429309797158912)

Always thought it was Barry Cryer...
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Post by: Depressed Beyond Tables on September 11, 2018, 11:32:21 AM
Fuck my musical hat.
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Post by: Sebastian Cobb on September 11, 2018, 12:14:39 PM
Less "I didn't know that" than "How did they do that?", but the video for Weezer's Buddy Holly (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kemivUKb4f4) popped up on YouTube today, and it's pretty well done, back in 1994. What was it? Clever editing? There are clearly some shots where the cast interacts with the band that are a teensy bit off looking, but really very good for the time, and what I assume wasn't a huge budget.

That video just makes me think of Windows 95.
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: a duncandisorderly on September 11, 2018, 01:53:10 PM
I used to work in TX suites. This made me laugh.

Was this MTV in Camden?

yeppers. I was there seventeen years.
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Post by: chveik on September 11, 2018, 07:22:44 PM
Penderecki did an album with Don Cherry. Quite surprising
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Post by: RenegadeScrew on September 11, 2018, 08:22:28 PM
Maybe it is well known but Amp Fiddler (who may have learnt from Prince) taught J Dilla how to use the MPC drum machine.

Thom Yorke played bass on National Anthem.

Tom Jones was once actually really good - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIDzA0YDso8

Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: H-O-W-L on September 14, 2018, 03:15:33 AM
War of the Worlds drastically differs per-version you listen to. Any version released before 2005 is the original 1970s master with some treble touch-ups in the nineties. Any version after 2005 is the (IMO, inferior) remaster made for the Special Edition in 2005. The differences seem small but they're actually cavernous -- some instrumentals sound completely different, and, if you ask me, worse in the 2005 version. The Artilleryman's vocals also use a different take that has slightly different lyrics.
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Post by: Catalogue Trousers on September 16, 2018, 06:15:17 PM
A few pages back, but I can't let this -

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Stiff little Fingers named themselves after a very ordinary(IMO) Vibrators song

- go unchallenged.

They named themselves after the giveaway physical flaw of the disguised extra-terrestrials from The Invaders. Or at the very least, that's where the Vibrators first took the name from.
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Post by: Sebastian Cobb on September 16, 2018, 06:19:35 PM
Stiff Little Fingers still regularly play Aberdeen and sell out. Bad Manners too.
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Post by: thraxx on September 16, 2018, 06:30:58 PM
yeppers. I was there seventeen years.

Loved 90s MTV when it was still proper. Actually got into some good bands (cranes, sing sing, strange love, to name but two). And Most Wanted was mainly really good.

What were:

Ray Cokes
Toby Amies
Davina

really like?
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Post by: a duncandisorderly on September 16, 2018, 06:51:28 PM
Loved 90s MTV when it was still proper. Actually got into some good bands (cranes, sing sing, strange love, to name but two). And Most Wanted was mainly really good.

What were:

Ray Cokes
Toby Amies
Davina

really like?

friends to this day with ray & toby on FB, & saw them both at recent reunions.

davina was lovely at the time.... I don't know what she's like these days (though my mrs has one of her signature exercise mats in madrid..) one morning, at about 7.30am when normal people are stumbling onto the bus to go to work, I was readying studio-A for ms mccall to record a load of blue-screen links; this was her first gig at Mtv, before 'hanging out' with hugo ("daBEENa!") & possibly tv generally. she'd been doing this nonsense for a while, & livened up the morning links-&-clips bollocks by yelling things like "wakey wakey hands off snakey!" for the 8am opener. anyway, she wanders into the studio still in a bathrobe, with her hair in a towel, obviously looking for someone to tell something to, & that's how I came to see her new tattoo, which was of a scorpion.

ray... ray cokes. apt. I'll leave that there. pot-head too. it's all in his book anyway. lovely lovely bloke, & very popular, but he has a dark side & some self-esteem issues. that show, in its original form ('93ish) was terrific. live bands, phone hookups with viewers as far apart as moscow & athens, all watching the same shite. we had a fax from a bloke in johannesburg one night; the physics of it are a bit beyond the scope here, but we worked out how this was possible the next day, & the net-dev guy rang the bloke up & got him to read some teletext pages to us.

early on, I sometimes did the sound on that show, recorded loads of 'unplugged' type stuff, but I'd moved on before radiohead, jeff buckley et al., did my stints in the smaller studio.

one of my jobs, besides doing the sound, was to keep the fax machine topped up. we had to use one with a roll rather than sheets, because it was funny & also because people would send very long faxes. I'd often have to sneak under the camera while ray was talking & change the roll in this thing, the hardest-working fax-machine in all of showbiz. one day ray mentioned me doing this, on air, & then I started getting fan-faxes.

toby... used to see him at gigs; he was real. he never fancied himself as a sleb. he was sent to NYC for a while to report back to europe with a european's perspective, & I was involved in making that work (in the sense of getting his reports transferred for broadcast in london). he was there on 9/11, & his photo from his front step in brooklyn was reprinted in the guardian last week. he's a film-maker now, & pretty good at it. we have some quality exchanges on FB, along with other viacom alumni.

there's more... I should write a book myself.
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Post by: DrGreggles on September 16, 2018, 07:40:09 PM
Stiff Little Fingers still regularly play Aberdeen and sell out. Bad Manners too.

They're brilliant live. Still see them every tour.
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Post by: thraxx on September 17, 2018, 08:49:49 AM
friends to this day with ray & toby on FB, & saw them both at recent reunions.

davina was lovely at the time.... I don't know what she's like these days (though my mrs has one of her signature exercise mats in madrid..) one morning, at about 7.30am when normal people are stumbling onto the bus to go to work, I was readying studio-A for ms mccall to record a load of blue-screen links; this was her first gig at Mtv, before 'hanging out' with hugo ("daBEENa!") & possibly tv generally. she'd been doing this nonsense for a while, & livened up the morning links-&-clips bollocks by yelling things like "wakey wakey hands off snakey!" for the 8am opener. anyway, she wanders into the studio still in a bathrobe, with her hair in a towel, obviously looking for someone to tell something to, & that's how I came to see her new tattoo, which was of a scorpion.

ray... ray cokes. apt. I'll leave that there. pot-head too. it's all in his book anyway. lovely lovely bloke, & very popular, but he has a dark side & some self-esteem issues. that show, in its original form ('93ish) was terrific. live bands, phone hookups with viewers as far apart as moscow & athens, all watching the same shite. we had a fax from a bloke in johannesburg one night; the physics of it are a bit beyond the scope here, but we worked out how this was possible the next day, & the net-dev guy rang the bloke up & got him to read some teletext pages to us.

early on, I sometimes did the sound on that show, recorded loads of 'unplugged' type stuff, but I'd moved on before radiohead, jeff buckley et al., did my stints in the smaller studio.

one of my jobs, besides doing the sound, was to keep the fax machine topped up. we had to use one with a roll rather than sheets, because it was funny & also because people would send very long faxes. I'd often have to sneak under the camera while ray was talking & change the roll in this thing, the hardest-working fax-machine in all of showbiz. one day ray mentioned me doing this, on air, & then I started getting fan-faxes.

toby... used to see him at gigs; he was real. he never fancied himself as a sleb. he was sent to NYC for a while to report back to europe with a european's perspective, & I was involved in making that work (in the sense of getting his reports transferred for broadcast in london). he was there on 9/11, & his photo from his front step in brooklyn was reprinted in the guardian last week. he's a film-maker now, & pretty good at it. we have some quality exchanges on FB, along with other viacom alumni.

there's more... I should write a book myself.

Weird to think that I sat there watching ray with you changing that fax machine. Who’d have thought we’d with end up here? Did you ever end up holding the little handmade signs around the screen?

Most wanted was proper anything can happen or go wrong live tv. I loved the fact that it seemed everyone was off their toys in front of and behind the camera.  Proper Wild West frontier television it was.

I remember one night of most wanted in about 93/94 when there was a phone in quiz with ray, and some somedutch or German bloke had to answer a question to which the answer was Mad Max 3 Beyond Thunderdome, and which ray insisted he answer very precisely, which of course he couldn’t, and strung it out for what seemed like hours. One of the funniest bits of tv I’ve ever seen, I’d love to see it again.
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Post by: Rocket Surgery on September 17, 2018, 04:23:11 PM
Big Daddy Kane turned 50 last week.

Many happy returns and all that, but I assumed he was way older than that. The '80s was bloody ages ago!
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Post by: thecuriousorange on September 17, 2018, 05:52:32 PM
Maxi Jazz from Faithless is only 61.
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Post by: Rocket Surgery on September 17, 2018, 08:29:09 PM
^ I'd have guessed him younger than BDK.

Oh well, guess I'm a dumbass then. No huge shock there.
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Post by: a duncandisorderly on September 17, 2018, 09:17:38 PM
Weird to think that I sat there watching ray with you changing that fax machine. Who’d have thought we’d with end up here? Did you ever end up holding the little handmade signs around the screen?


no, thank fuck... though you've reminded me that the roller-blind map was my handiwork. ray hated it & kept trying to trash it... he wanted one on a stand, but the roller-blind was more convenient & way funnier, especially when it fucked off back up again while he was trying to point at it. or came down completely on his head.

my favourite memories of that time was while we were still a client of chrysalis' little facilities building in camden, over the road from the TVam building we eventually bought.

(Norton Canes of this parish once worked there too)

the Mtv bit of chrysalis was on the ground floor & a mezzanine level, in one corner of the building, & everything was tiny. I couldn't believe the first time I saw the studio with all the familiar sets in it.

one night I was down to do sound, & the MW guests were david coverdale & jimmy page. ray used to do some nonsense with most of his guests, & I think on this occasion he'd brought in his own lefty les paul for page to have a look at.

anyway, this meant fitting the guys with radio mics instead of just cabled jobs for on the couch- they needed to be mobile. so I wandered up to the dressing room to get a look at what they were wearing, see where I could hide these wretched transmitter pouches we had....
I'm from teesside, & so's coverdale, & I happened to know he used to date the big sister of one of my neighbours back home, so I got him chatting about this-

"do you remember a row of houses in marske, opposite the library... behind the car-park...?"

he knew exactly who I was talking about & responded, laughing as he did... his accent changed from the standard rock-star mid-atlantic drawl back to... well, like vic & bob. I happened to glance round at JP, who was looking at the two of us, agape... slack-jawed.... completely 'what the fuck?'

later I got him (JP) to sign my copy of 'presence' & he was quite pleased about that- he gets tired, apparently, of people bringing him LZ4 or the brown bomber...
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Post by: Golden E. Pump on September 17, 2018, 10:49:22 PM
Tinie Tempah's real name is Shortland Fuse.
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Post by: kidsick5000 on September 17, 2018, 10:53:33 PM
I'm from teesside, & so's coverdale, & I happened to know he used to date the big sister of one of my neighbours back home, so I got him chatting about this-

"do you remember a row of houses in marske, opposite the library... behind the car-park...?"

he knew exactly who I was talking about & responded, laughing as he did... his accent changed from the standard rock-star mid-atlantic drawl back to... well, like vic & bob. I happened to glance round at JP, who was looking at the two of us, agape... slack-jawed.... completely 'what the fuck?'

I’d forgotten they’d teamed up. That was like the awkward post-divorce thing where your mate starts dating a lookalike of his ex. The mags were often pulling Coverdale up for his Plant-isms.
There also used to be a thing about trying to get Coverdale to break accent - this is from former metal mag people who were around late80s -mid90s. I think it was an incident onstage accidentally swallowing a fly that twigged them to Coverdale’s real voice to being far from this deep,posh plummy accent he used in public.
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Post by: a duncandisorderly on September 17, 2018, 10:58:49 PM
There also used to be a thing about trying to get Coverdale to break accent - this is from former metal mag people who were around late80s -mid90s. I think it was an incident onstage accidentally swallowing a fly that twigged them to Coverdale’s real voice to being far from this deep,posh plummy accent he used in public.

mebbes that's why page was aghast- it only took a couple of 'werds' from me. honestly, his real accent is like jim moir's.
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Post by: kidsick5000 on September 17, 2018, 11:39:24 PM
mebbes that's why page was aghast- it only took a couple of 'werds' from me. honestly, his real accent is like jim moir's.

I love the thought of that. That for all that time making an album, from negotiations to promoting, Coverdale had been undercover(dale).
You’d have to wonder what if kind of nut job spends that much time in character.
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Post by: a duncandisorderly on September 17, 2018, 11:49:41 PM
I love the thought of that. That for all that time making an album, from negotiations to promoting, Coverdale had been undercover(dale).
You’d have to wonder what if kind of nut job spends that much time in character.

I like 'undercoverdale' a lot. he's very much full of himself. early pre-purple pics of him gigging in redcar, he looks like a fat greg lake, absolute fanny-rat by all accounts. the staying in character thing he probably got from watching mick jagger.

(http://www.grahamlowephotography.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Dave-Coverdale-p36-72dpi.jpg)
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Post by: kidsick5000 on September 18, 2018, 12:17:09 AM
If just had to do the inevitable and look up what he looks like now. Still seems to have all his own hair. Though he’s in that increasingly common stage for ageing flamboyant-haired rockers of hitting the ‘mum’s divorced friend Auntie Pauline’ stage of life.

Also, he seems to spend a massive amount of time just retweeting jokes on Twitter in between shots of himself. Seems to have a sense of humour though.



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Post by: a duncandisorderly on September 18, 2018, 01:13:40 AM
If just had to do the inevitable and look up what he looks like now. Still seems to have all his own hair. Though he’s in that increasingly common stage for ageing flamboyant-haired rockers of hitting the ‘mum’s divorced friend Auntie Pauline’ stage of life.

Also, he seems to spend a massive amount of time just retweeting jokes on Twitter in between shots of himself. Seems to have a sense of humour though.

his career seems characterised by lay-off periods, either by choice or for reasons of health (his own, his daughter &c). I think he's a fairly typical down-to-earth teessider who has an act; that was the impression I got from our brief meeting. I'm not a massive fan of his work, by any means, though I do have a lot of time for both marsden & moody.

just been rewatching the former as part of the PAL line-up, doing a decent impression of rory gallagher at the back of all this badly-mixed bombast. the album is much better; here, poor old tony ashton is clearly not up to the business of fronting this otherwise stellar line-up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-_-KoGN_q4
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Post by: Maurice Yeatman on September 18, 2018, 01:26:45 AM
his career seems characterised by lay-off periods, either by choice or for reasons of health (his own, his daughter &c). I think he's a fairly typical down-to-earth teessider who has an act; that was the impression I got from our brief meeting. I'm not a massive fan of his work, by any means, though I do have a lot of time for both marsden & moody.

just been rewatching the former as part of the PAL line-up, doing a decent impression of rory gallagher at the back of all this badly-mixed bombast. the album is much better; here, poor old tony ashton is clearly not up to the business of fronting this otherwise stellar line-up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-_-KoGN_q4

One of my favourite televised concerts, warts an' all. But yeah, he was a nervous front man and had had a few. The documentary extra that's on the same DVD is great.
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Post by: studpuppet on September 18, 2018, 07:27:17 AM
(http://www.grahamlowephotography.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Dave-Coverdale-p36-72dpi.jpg)

Buddy Hackett's let himself go.
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Post by: Nowhere Man on September 18, 2018, 04:23:25 PM
The never retiring 92 year old Tony Bennett's got a new album out, and I read this on the wiki page:

Quote
Bennett first recorded "Fascinating Rhythm" in 1949.[4] By recording the song again for Love is Here To Stay (2018), he received the Guinness World Records title for “longest time between the release of an original recording and a re-recording of the same single by the same artist.”

Fuck my hat, that's almost a 70 year career difference!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5f-e3Wajq4 (1949)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fytAhauleu0 (2018)
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Post by: Nowhere Man on September 19, 2018, 10:11:46 PM
Like many British musicians of the 60s/70s, Bowie was a big fan of Elvis:

Quote
"He was a major hero of mine. And I was probably stupid enough to believe that having the same birthday as him actually meant something." -- David Bowie

Elvis recorded a song called 'Black Star' in the early 60s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_UHZ_62GCI

Then Bowie released his last album, 'Blackstar' on his and Elvis's shared birthday.

Was it intentional?
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Post by: Fat Jesus on September 20, 2018, 01:11:50 AM
Like many British musicians of the 60s/70s, Bowie was a big fan of Elvis:

Elvis recorded a song called 'Black Star' in the early 60s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_UHZ_62GCI

Then Bowie released his last album, 'Blackstar' on his and Elvis's shared birthday.

Was it intentional?

Elvis' Black Star was recorded in August 1960 for his movie of the same name. However the studio (20th Century Fox) decided to change the film's title to Flaming Star and had him re-record the song (same lyrics other than the obvious change, but completely new recording) in October 1960. Flaming Star (the song) was released in 1961, but Black Star remained in the can until 1991, when it was released on an Elvis box set called Collectors Gold. Note, the cover shown in the above video is of a bootleg.

Edit: The second, slower version in that video is the 'end title' version, recorded to be used over the end titles of the movie (hence the name). That was also re-recorded.

So I don't know if the Dame remained a fan of El and had Collectors Gold, or even knew about the earlier version, but thought I'd provide a little context.
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Post by: Norton Canes on October 08, 2018, 09:52:40 AM
"Ivory Madonna". It's "Ivory Madonna".

I mean I know I could have checked at any point over the last 38 years, but still, "... I didn't know that!"
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Post by: a duncandisorderly on October 08, 2018, 09:55:04 AM
"Ivory Madonna". It's "Ivory Madonna".

I mean I know I could have checked at any point over the last 38 years, but still, "... I didn't know that!"

"I'm a ream of data... a number on a list..."

that's what I always heard...
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Post by: Norton Canes on October 08, 2018, 11:58:17 AM
'Data' rhyming with 'barter' as opposed to 'later'? Yeah I can hear that. My best guess was always "I'm a prima donna", which I suspected was wide of the mark.
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Post by: thecuriousorange on October 09, 2018, 06:10:33 AM
EDIT You know what, nevermind.
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Post by: Jockice on October 09, 2018, 11:52:12 AM
'Data' rhyming with 'barter' as opposed to 'later'? Yeah I can hear that. My best guess was always "I'm a prima donna", which I suspected was wide of the mark.

Not if you watch this it isn't. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqmKUg2nZHs
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Post by: a duncandisorderly on October 09, 2018, 02:34:42 PM
while they were recording "stayin' alive", the beegees drummer dennis bryon had to leave the chateau d'herouville & deal with the death of his mother. the band wanted to finish recording the song, so they got the engineer to copy off & cut into a tape-loop a few bars of the drums from "night fever". no pro-tools then.

they transferred this to the multitrack & recorded the song, intending to replace the loop with bryon's playing when he got back but they never did.

they subsequently used the same drum loop on "more than a woman" & later on streisand's "woman in love".
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Post by: Better Midlands on October 09, 2018, 07:19:49 PM
while they were recording "stayin' alive", the beegees drummer dennis bryon had to leave the chateau d'herouville & deal with the death of his mother. the band wanted to finish recording the song, so they got the engineer to copy off & cut into a tape-loop a few bars of the drums from "night fever". no pro-tools then.

they transferred this to the multitrack & recorded the song, intending to replace the loop with bryon's playing when he got back but they never did.

they subsequently used the same drum loop on "more than a woman" & later on streisand's "woman in love".

Can't believe I've never heard of that before, very nice. I love disco era BeeGees.
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Post by: George White on October 12, 2018, 09:25:35 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UNlCr-4VTc Weird musical covers - All-American crooner Tony Orlando covering the male Victoria Wood, Peter Skellern, with the brass band backing kept. Note at times he's clearly trying to imitate Skellern, in the spoken bits. But then he isn't.
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Post by: studpuppet on October 12, 2018, 01:30:48 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UNlCr-4VTc Weird musical covers - All-American crooner Tony Orlando covering the male Victoria Wood, Peter Skellern, with the brass band backing kept. Note at times he's clearly trying to imitate Skellern, in the spoken bits. But then he isn't.

I read 'Tony Orlando' and understood 'Tony Clifton'...

(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/989497318570381314/I5JFDZyb_400x400.jpg)
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Post by: Better Midlands on October 12, 2018, 03:02:20 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UNlCr-4VTc Weird musical covers - All-American crooner Tony Orlando covering the male Victoria Wood, Peter Skellern, with the brass band backing kept. Note at times he's clearly trying to imitate Skellern, in the spoken bits. But then he isn't.

Estelle squeezed an awesome sample out of Tony Orlando's Lazy Susan on her debut single 1980.

https://youtu.be/k0ODOYNAuGM
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Post by: Pingers on October 12, 2018, 10:45:11 PM
Unfinished Symphony by Massive Attack is actually called Unfinished Sympathy. I always thought they had kept the working title Unfinished Symphony to be a bit meta. I also don't really care for the song, which explains my lack of attention.

Me and you are just not going to get along
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Post by: bgmnts on October 15, 2018, 04:11:23 PM
Mark Knopfler wrote Private Dancer.
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Post by: McChesney Duntz on October 17, 2018, 07:02:18 PM
This doesn't really belong here, but I can find no better place for it:

It occurs to me that the newish band You Tell Me has finally won the jokey-confusing "What's The Name Of Your Band?" answer contest that's been in play since at least The Who.
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Post by: The Culture Bunker on October 17, 2018, 07:21:19 PM
This doesn't really belong here, but I can find no better place for it:

It occurs to me that the newish band You Tell Me has finally won the jokey-confusing "What's The Name Of Your Band?" answer contest that's been in play since at least The Who.
I remain annoyed that my first (teenage) band the Something* didn't crack the big time for this very reason.

*name taken from a line in the Commitments, fact fans.
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Post by: a duncandisorderly on October 17, 2018, 10:53:28 PM
This doesn't really belong here, but I can find no better place for it:

It occurs to me that the newish band You Tell Me has finally won the jokey-confusing "What's The Name Of Your Band?" answer contest that's been in play since at least The Who.

well, & the guess who.
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Post by: Maurice Yeatman on October 18, 2018, 12:09:40 AM
THE MARQUEE CLUB, LONDON, 1968

JOHN GEE: What's the name of the band?

JON ANDERSON: Yes.

JOHN GEE: Ladies and gentleman, What!
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Post by: Jockice on October 18, 2018, 09:39:41 AM
The theme to 70s kids' programme Magpie was written and performed by the Spencer Davis Group.
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Post by: poodlefaker on October 18, 2018, 11:53:58 AM
Jazz musician Mike Gibbs wrote a track called Unfinished Sympathy in the early 70s (it's on Gary Burton's album Ring). He also did the music for The Goodies.
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Post by: jobotic on October 18, 2018, 12:00:54 PM
I thought I was ever so clever by thinking of calling a band Various Artists but some other long-forgotten plums did it a few years ago I think.
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Post by: Sin Agog on October 18, 2018, 12:11:06 PM
I bet V.A.'s still available.
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Post by: the on October 18, 2018, 12:12:43 PM
Calling a band Various Artists was also a joke on Peep Show.
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Post by: Gregory Torso on October 18, 2018, 06:40:15 PM
I've been hugely enjoying the band Cigarettes After Sex for a few months now, especially this gorgeous slow core twin peaks smoky bit of loveliness -  Each Time You Fall In Love (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caxGz3cs7-Y) and it's only just now when I decided to find out something about them that I discover the singer is ( a bloke ! ) !
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Post by: The Culture Bunker on October 18, 2018, 07:05:53 PM
I do enjoy the general atmosphere Cigarettes After Sex create musically, but too often the lyrics are terrible beyond belief.
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Post by: Gregory Torso on October 18, 2018, 07:21:02 PM
I do enjoy the general atmosphere Cigarettes After Sex create musically, but too often the lyrics are terrible beyond belief.

Yes, I agree with that.
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Post by: gib on October 28, 2018, 12:47:28 PM
Dawn Penn's 1994 hit You Don't Love Me (No, No, No) is ultimately based on a Bo Diddley track.

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Dawn Penn's 1994 re-recorded dancehall hit "You Don't Love Me (No, No, No)" was a version of her original 1967 release, "You Don't Love Me" which was a version of Gene Thompson and the Counts (Cobbs) 1963, earlier by Willie Cobbs 1960. The Cobbs song was based on Bo Diddley's 1955 song "She's Fine, She's Mine".

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Post by: KennyMonster on October 28, 2018, 07:54:29 PM
I thought I was ever so clever by thinking of calling a band Various Artists but some other long-forgotten plums did it a few years ago I think.

I've often thought a band should release an Eponymous debut album and then call their next one "Eponymous debut album" or something like that.
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Post by: Jockice on October 29, 2018, 05:40:05 PM
I've often thought a band should release an Eponymous debut album and then call their next one "Eponymous debut album" or something like that.

I've often thought a band should write a song called Intro, release it as a b-side then re-record it as the first track on their album, so it could be Intro (Version.)
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Post by: Norton Canes on November 01, 2018, 09:42:11 AM
More of a musical 'obvious things...' - or in fact a musical 'things I'd forgotten' - but, All Saints were produced by William Orbit.

Saw them shooting a promo video on Primrose Hill once.
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Post by: Golden E. Pump on November 01, 2018, 02:46:40 PM
'Bohemian Rhapsody' was released on Halloween, making it a Halloween novelty song in my eyes.
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Post by: SteveDave on November 01, 2018, 03:56:01 PM
Dawn Penn's 1994 hit You Don't Love Me (No, No, No) is ultimately based on a Bo Diddley track.

There's an ace version by Gary Walker too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Gq2ihjWh9Y
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Post by: Twed on November 07, 2018, 06:20:52 PM
Absolutely fucking floored to learn that Dr Spin of the techno Tetris single (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbOMsVkWmK4) was Andrew Lloyd Webber.
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Post by: thecuriousorange on November 08, 2018, 02:10:05 PM
Was there a similar Sesame Street "rave song" on Top of the Pops around the same era? I have a vague memory.
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Post by: daf on November 08, 2018, 03:06:13 PM
This the one?

Smart E's Sesame's Treet (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vs3NW8n3S5I) (1992)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fa/ST_Smart_E.jpg/220px-ST_Smart_E.jpg)

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"Sesame's Treet" followed a trend at the time of releasing tracks based on samples of children's TV themes. The first notable song that did this was "Summers Magic" by Mark Summers (January 1991), featuring the theme tune of the BBC's The Magic Roundabout. The Prodigy's "Charly" and Urban Hype's "A Trip to Trumpton" were two similar rave tunes of that era, also sampling from children's programmes (collectively known as "Toytown Techno")

Here's the Magic Roundabout one - Summer's Magic (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kExc635O9tg) and Roobarb & Custard (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gbat8XEL8gA) from ShaFt
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Post by: New Jack on November 08, 2018, 07:21:30 PM
Only just realised that Luniz, of "I Got 5 on It" fame, is not pronounced phonetically but is almost certainly "Loonies"

Only took 23 years
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Post by: Better Midlands on November 08, 2018, 08:13:37 PM
Only just realised that Luniz, of "I Got 5 on It" fame, is not pronounced phonetically but is almost certainly "Loonies"

Only took 23 years

Ever heard the Club Nouveaux original, lovely bit of mid-80s R&B

https://g.co/kgs/oEJ88D
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Post by: New Jack on November 08, 2018, 08:44:08 PM
Ever heard the Club Nouveaux original, lovely bit of mid-80s R&B

https://g.co/kgs/oEJ88D

Mind blown! A bit. Didn't know it was sampled but it's not the most surprising thing ever that it is

Decent tune this, I like it better than the Lun Is thingy
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Post by: studpuppet on November 09, 2018, 01:38:58 PM
The Kane Gang were responsible for "Woo Gary Davies" and Byker Grove.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7jBmZC1KO0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7jBmZC1KO0)
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Post by: a duncandisorderly on November 11, 2018, 01:12:54 PM
wandered down a yt rabbit-hole just now- a lot of what yt suggests to me are music-instructional clips, because I subscribed to a couple of them. today I watched one on time signatures, with examples of some non-4/4 riffs, one of which was the 'mission impossible' theme.

"-- .."  with the little gap there the same duration as the dot, is a reasonable representation of the rhythm of schifrin's riff.

it's also MI in morse code
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Post by: sevendaughters on November 14, 2018, 06:14:04 PM
I did not know that Bjork did an album at age 11/12 that was released in 1977.
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Post by: a duncandisorderly on November 15, 2018, 04:39:54 AM
wandered down a yt rabbit-hole just now- a lot of what yt suggests to me are music-instructional clips, because I subscribed to a couple of them. today I watched one on time signatures, with examples of some non-4/4 riffs, one of which was the 'mission impossible' theme.

"-- .."  with the little gap there the same duration as the dot, is a reasonable representation of the rhythm of schifrin's riff.

it's also MI in morse code

I wrote something broadly similar to this on the talk page behind the wikipedia entry for morse code. the talk page.

some twat editor wiki nazi has removed it, saying 'the talk page is not a forum'.

I feel like stabbing him.
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Post by: Nowhere Man on November 15, 2018, 05:09:22 AM
'Bohemian Rhapsody' was released on Halloween, making it a Halloween novelty song in my eyes.

Bohenian Rhapsody was No. 1 on the charts in 1975 and kept Laurel and Hardy' s 'On The Trail of The Lonesome Pine' in the No.2 spot. (Which was championed by the great John Peel.)

As if I needed another reason to hate Queen and that fucking song.
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Post by: Jockice on November 15, 2018, 03:09:43 PM
Bohenian Rhapsody was No. 1 on the charts in 1975 and kept Laurel and Hardy' s 'On The Trail of The Lonesome Pine' in the No.2 spot. (Which was championed by the great John Peel.)

As if I needed another reason to hate Queen and that fucking song.

It also kept the greatest number two single of all time, Sailor's A Glass Of Champagne, from its rightful position.
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Post by: nedthemumbler on November 18, 2018, 05:49:12 AM
Van Morrison is a Sir!  Feels very wrong somehow.
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Post by: Sebastian Cobb on November 18, 2018, 11:56:09 AM
Orange Juice's Rip it Up has a well dirty 303 running through it. One of the first tracks to popularise it well before acid house.
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Post by: The Culture Bunker on November 18, 2018, 12:55:28 PM
Orange Juice's Rip it Up has a well dirty 303 running through it. One of the first tracks to popularise it well before acid house.
You can hear the isolated 303 in the first few seconds here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoqoxCr4054

(posted it as I think the version you usual hear on radio or whatever starts with the guitars and drums too)
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Post by: Better Midlands on November 18, 2018, 01:07:07 PM
Van Morrison is a Sir!

Yeah, right and Bob Dylan is an Alexa.
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Post by: Sebastian Cobb on November 18, 2018, 01:13:33 PM
You can hear the isolated 303 in the first few seconds here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoqoxCr4054

(posted it as I think the version you usual hear on radio or whatever starts with the guitars and drums too)

I'm sure the loose guitar got sampled or replayed in a G-Funk classic (possibly on Doggystyle?). The idea of Dre listening to that amsuses me.
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Post by: The Culture Bunker on November 18, 2018, 01:35:17 PM
I'm sure the loose guitar got sampled or replayed in a G-Funk classic (possibly on Doggystyle?). The idea of Dre listening to that amsuses me.
Stranger things have happened - Afrika Bambaataa was/is a big Gary Numan fan, George Clinton dug Kajagoogoo.
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Post by: Sebastian Cobb on November 18, 2018, 01:49:59 PM
Stranger things have happened - Afrika Bambaataa was/is a big Gary Numan fan, George Clinton dug Kajagoogoo.

Country is apparently quite popular in Jamacia; at night American medium-wave stations would be listenable.
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Post by: Brundle-Fly on November 18, 2018, 02:31:57 PM
It's weird to think that Nick Beggs from Kajagoogoo became a highly regarded bassist in prog rock circles.
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Post by: Jockice on November 18, 2018, 08:38:16 PM
Country is apparently quite popular in Jamaica

That was one of the bones of contention in that UB40 documentary I've mentioned elsewhere. They did a country-tinged album a few years after Ali Campbell left and this apparently was the final straw that led to Astro changing camps. Campbell claims that they've 'ruined reggae' by putting it out, while Brian Travers replied that they're just professional musicians who tried something different and it seems to be liked by most of their fans.

New page wherever I lay my hat you can fuck it.
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Post by: The Culture Bunker on November 18, 2018, 08:47:48 PM
That was one of the bones of contention in that UB40 documentary I've mentioned elsewhere. They did a country-tinged album a few years after Ali Campbell left and this apparently was the final straw that led to Astro changing camps. Campbell claims that they've 'ruined reggae' by putting it out, while Brian Travers replied that they're just professional musicians who tried something different and it seems to be liked by most of their fans.

New page wherever I lay my hat you can fuck it.
Have to say that while I'm far from a fan of UB40, I'm on the side of Travers on this. Makes me wonder if Ray Charles took much stick for doing country albums?
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Post by: Sebastian Cobb on November 18, 2018, 09:05:57 PM
That was one of the bones of contention in that UB40 documentary I've mentioned elsewhere. They did a country-tinged album a few years after Ali Campbell left and this apparently was the final straw that led to Astro changing camps. Campbell claims that they've 'ruined reggae' by putting it out, while Brian Travers replied that they're just professional musicians who tried something different and it seems to be liked by most of their fans.

New page wherever I lay my hat you can fuck it.
Ali Campbell's son turned up at my school.

One of my pals worked at the laundrette Astro used to go to, he refused to dry clean his fur coat, punched fuck out his steering wheel in a rage.
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Post by: Jockice on November 18, 2018, 09:45:36 PM
Have to say that while I'm far from a fan of UB40, I'm on the side of Travers on this. Makes me wonder if Ray Charles took much stick for doing country albums?


I seem to recall that (apart from his well-known refuelling problems) that is part of the reason The Pogues fell out with Shane MacGowan. They wanted to do some more experimental stuff, he just wanted to stick to the same old same old, musically at least. I should imagine that sort of tension exists in all sort of bands playing all sorts of music.

By the way if you haven't seen it, I'd thoroughly recommend the Promises And Lies documentary. Like you I'm not a UB40 fan but it's one of the best (and also the saddest) things of that type I've seen. Millions of pounds going missing, bankruptcies, families and friendships since childhood being ripped apart. I've watched it three or four times and I just sit there going: "Fucking hell..."
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Post by: The Culture Bunker on November 18, 2018, 11:15:55 PM
I should imagine that sort of tension exists in all sort of bands playing all sorts of music.
Yes, of course. Even in bands at the lowest level - happened to me once! I was the one pushing to go more weird/experimental while others wanted to push on with the (incredibly minimal, we flogged about 800/1000 albums in Germany) success we'd had by trying a more commercial sound. It all fell apart and then people you've spent almost all you free time with for five years are those you never see again.
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Post by: Twed on November 19, 2018, 09:12:30 PM
The woman who powerfully sang* the Life of Brian theme tune was only 16 years old at the time.'

* (sang powerfully?)
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Post by: a duncandisorderly on November 22, 2018, 09:41:53 PM
Stranger things have happened - Afrika Bambaataa was/is a big Gary Numan fan

& kraftwerk, obvs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9J3lwZjHenA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMVokT5e0zs
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Post by: Bennett Brauer on November 22, 2018, 10:46:26 PM
The woman who powerfully sang* the Life of Brian theme tune was only 16 years old at the time.'

(https://i.imgur.com/UQhQrKR.png)
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Post by: Psmith on November 23, 2018, 01:16:53 AM
Mahler was 5'4"
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Post by: Gregory Torso on December 01, 2018, 01:11:05 AM
Thanks to the magic of discogs and my own Hetty Wainthrop-like hat detective prowess, I have just realised that Todd Morey, the singer for 90s Jesus Lizard-esque sewage karate experts Atomic 61, is the brother of... that's right: Darren Morey, better known as Darren Mor-X, drummer in mud pedal noise rock geniuses Steel Pole Bath Tub - which explains why he and Dale Flattum the bassist appear on Atomic 61's second 7" as the low end section, after the original rhythm girls had buggered off for unknown American reasons. It's even produced by Mike Morasky for christs sake.
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Post by: Norton Canes on December 01, 2018, 06:25:38 PM
Salford Lads Club is plainly visible from the A57 on the way into Manchester, and I've driven past scores of times without noticing it. I assumed it was tucked away in some back-street somewhere.
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Post by: Twed on December 02, 2018, 12:09:56 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/UQhQrKR.png)
Heh, brilliant.
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Post by: popcorn on December 04, 2018, 08:39:54 AM
Knockin' on Heaven's Door is only two and a half minutes long. I felt sure it was one of those Dylan songs that was about eight minutes long, with twenty-two verses, droning on and on. Seems like a wasted opportunity really.
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Post by: icehaven on December 04, 2018, 12:27:49 PM
Knockin' on Heaven's Door is only two and a half minutes long. I felt sure it was one of those Dylan songs that was about eight minutes long, with twenty-two verses, droning on and on. Seems like a wasted opportunity really.

Guns N Roses version is 5 and half minutes long and has an extended chorus towards the end with a weird phone call sample type bit, were you thinking of that?
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Post by: a duncandisorderly on December 04, 2018, 01:39:21 PM
or clapton's dirge, maybe?
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Post by: Satchmo Distel on December 04, 2018, 09:27:08 PM
Kenny Lynch was the first person to cover a Beatles song ("Misery"). He was travelling on the tour bus with them when they played it to him. Not a hit, though.

In 2011, Lynch recorded a song co-written with BNP supporter Buster Mottram:

https://www.discogs.com/Kenny-Lynch-Half-The-Days-Gone-And-We-Havent-Earned-A-Penny/release/1016406
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Post by: JesusAndYourBush on December 05, 2018, 02:20:07 AM
Kenny Lynch was the first person to cover a Beatles song ("Misery"). He was travelling on the tour bus with them when they played it to him. Not a hit, though.

And the person to cover the Beatles soonest after the song was released was probably Jimi Hendrix, playing a live a cover of Sgt Peppers 9 days after the album was released, with the added bonus that Harrison and Macca were in the audience.
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Post by: nedthemumbler on December 05, 2018, 03:41:46 AM
In my head it is the same thing as Helpless by Neil Young.
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Post by: mrpupkin on December 05, 2018, 10:31:24 AM
And the person to cover the Beatles soonest after the song was released was probably Jimi Hendrix, playing a live a cover of Sgt Peppers 9 days after the album was released, with the added bonus that Harrison and Macca were in the audience.

Unverifiable surely, tons of people could have been doing live covers by then, in pubs and whathaveyou. First famous person you mean.
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Post by: SteveDave on December 05, 2018, 10:53:13 AM
Guns N Roses version is 5 and half minutes long and has an extended chorus towards the end with a weird phone call sample type bit, were you thinking of that?

And there's this hour long version too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gT-Gi0wAusQ
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Post by: Satchmo Distel on December 08, 2018, 02:00:16 PM
One of the backing vocalists on 'Good Night' by The Beatles is Ken Barrie, who later did the Postman Pat theme.
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Post by: George White on December 08, 2018, 02:29:30 PM
One of the backing vocalists on 'Good Night' by The Beatles is Ken Barrie, who later did the Postman Pat theme.
And sung the theme tune to Hi De Hi.
Paul Shane did the record version.
Barrie was a leading vocal double for actors. A sort of male Marni Nixon. Voiced for Larry Hagman,  Horst Buchholz and George C. Scott. He was also an early soundalike vocalist for Woolworths.
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Post by: Sebastian Cobb on December 08, 2018, 02:43:33 PM
From the lads in Muscle Shoals, to Chas and Dave and the guy who done Postman Pat, the life of a decent session musician is fascinating.
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Post by: gilbertharding on December 12, 2018, 03:01:04 PM
From the wikipedia page on Mark David Chapman:

On the day before the murder, Chapman accosted singer-songwriter James Taylor at the 72nd Street subway station. According to Taylor, "The guy had sort of pinned me to the wall and was glistening with maniacal sweat and talking some freak speak about what he was going to do and his stuff with how John was interested and he was going to get in touch with John Lennon."[26] He also reportedly offered cocaine to a taxi driver.[16] On the day of the murder, Bowie was appearing on Broadway in the play The Elephant Man. "I was second on his list," Bowie later said. "Chapman had a front-row ticket to The Elephant Man the next night. John and Yoko were supposed to sit front-row for that show too. So the night after John was killed there were three empty seats in the front row. I can't tell you how difficult that was to go on. I almost didn't make it through the performance."
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Post by: Bingo Fury on December 12, 2018, 05:14:37 PM
The cry of "What are we gonna do now?" at the start of The Clash's "Working For The Clampdown" is a deliberate referencing of the Milligan catchphrase.
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Post by: a duncandisorderly on December 12, 2018, 09:00:40 PM
From the lads in Muscle Shoals, to Chas and Dave and the guy who done Postman Pat, the life of a decent session musician is fascinating.

big jim plays moonbase alpha-

(http://catacombs.space1999.net/main/images/space/tts/spttsz0078.jpg)
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Post by: buzby on December 12, 2018, 10:31:08 PM
big jim plays moonbase alpha-

(http://catacombs.space1999.net/main/images/space/tts/spttsz0078.jpg)
That episode  was on Delete's (spam) Halloween Special. I love the sound of the Coral Sitar
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Post by: Special K on December 12, 2018, 10:46:09 PM
The father of Peter 'Sleazy' Christopherson of Throbbing Gristle/Coil/Psychic TV/Hipgnosis fame was Sir Derman Guy Christopherson OBE FRS FREng an Engineering Academic and according to a Genesis P Orridge interview I watched, friends with Queen Elizabeth II.
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Post by: DrGreggles on December 13, 2018, 02:39:04 PM
Frank Farian co-wrote Jingle Bells
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Post by: Crabwalk on December 20, 2018, 07:35:15 AM
Found out the other day that the guy who produced Lloyd Cole and the Commotions’ Rattlesnakes and The The’s Soul Mining went on to produce Chris de Burgh’s ‘Lady In Red’. Doesnt seem to have done much since.

That’s two beloved cult classics and the most hated song of the 80s. Interesting CV.
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Post by: Better Midlands on December 20, 2018, 01:05:37 PM
Frank Farian co-wrote Jingle Bells

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/00/Jingle_Bells_19_High_St_Medford_MA-2010.jpg)

Musical P*** my Leg, I didn't know that!
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Post by: DrGreggles on December 20, 2018, 01:38:22 PM
I know. It was more than Farian was credited with writing it on the Boney M Christmas album (as mentioned on that thread).
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Post by: Norton Canes on December 21, 2018, 11:15:52 AM
This year will mark the fifteenth consecutive year that Fearne Cotton has hosted the Christmas Top Of The Pops.
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Post by: SteveDave on December 21, 2018, 01:22:02 PM
This year will mark the fifteenth consecutive year that Fearne Cotton has hosted the Christmas Top Of The Pops.

But she went out with a pedlo! Although this information has been removed from her wikipedia page.

And his oddly. Bigger fish to fry in that department probably.
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Post by: Bobtoo on December 21, 2018, 09:29:05 PM
This year will mark the fifteenth consecutive year that Fearne Cotton has hosted the Christmas Top Of The Pops.

There's still a Christmas TOTP? Hat fucked.
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Post by: Rocket Surgery on January 11, 2019, 10:24:34 PM
Well colour me dense: I never knew that 'The Man Don't Give A Fuck' (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzHLTy33qWM) by Super Furry Animals was based around a Steely Dan sample (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9QVNbUPzgM&t=3m52s).

EDIT: links
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Post by: Lordofthefiles on January 12, 2019, 03:21:04 PM
Well colour me dense: I never knew that 'The Man Don't Give A Fuck' (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzHLTy33qWM) by Super Furry Animals was based around a Steely Dan sample (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9QVNbUPzgM&t=3m52s).

EDIT: links

Well consider my hat fucked to shreds!
How didn’t I know that?!!
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Post by: Rocket Surgery on January 12, 2019, 03:33:54 PM
That's what this thread's all about, mwng!
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Post by: kidsick5000 on January 12, 2019, 06:27:17 PM
Well colour me dense: I never knew that 'The Man Don't Give A Fuck' (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzHLTy33qWM) by Super Furry Animals was based around a Steely Dan sample (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9QVNbUPzgM&t=3m52s).

EDIT: links

Are you one of those younger people I hear about? When it came out, it was mentioned a lot :)
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Post by: DrGreggles on January 12, 2019, 06:33:15 PM
It was what made me first listen to Steely Dan.
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Post by: Better Midlands on January 13, 2019, 07:00:39 AM
It was what made me first listen to Steely Dan.

Sampling's been good for Steely Dan, the Peg sample in De La Soul's I Know

https://www.whosampled.com/sample/609/De-La-Soul-Eye-Know-Steely-Dan-Peg/

got me interested in them and then the Fez sample in All Saints' I Know Where It's At got me digging for their albums.

https://www.whosampled.com/sample/5360/All-Saints-I-Know-Where-It%27s-At-Steely-Dan-The-Fez/
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Post by: Golden E. Pump on January 13, 2019, 12:45:06 PM
Speaking of Steely Dan, one of the groups that Don Fagen and Walter Becker played in before forming Steely Dan together was called Leather Canary and featured a pre-fame Chevy Chase on drums.
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Post by: daf on January 13, 2019, 12:46:40 PM
You can call him Dan
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Post by: phantom_power on January 19, 2019, 10:46:12 PM
The woman on the front of Sonic Youth's Goo is a representation of Myra Hindley's sister Maureen
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Post by: popcorn on January 20, 2019, 02:58:22 AM
Burial sampled Metal Gear Solid. (https://youtu.be/Et5B-zfAIIo?t=59)

Listened to Archangel hundreds of times. Played MGS2 four or five times. Never connected them.
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Post by: SteveDave on January 23, 2019, 11:31:10 AM
Van Dyke Parks arranged "The Bare Necessities" and his brother wrote "Somethin' Stupid"
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Post by: Golden E. Pump on January 23, 2019, 07:01:44 PM
He also writes a song every day. Except on Wednesdays, when he's rudely awaken by the dustmen.
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Post by: Sherman Krank on February 01, 2019, 09:54:12 PM
Wandering around youtube just now I found out that this persistent chunk of seventies nostalgia...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cd_Fdly3rX8

is actually a cover of this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLfRtK0oxYE

which itself is a cover of this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MB58PuNYO8o
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Post by: jobotic on February 01, 2019, 09:57:48 PM
Knew about Brel but have never heard the middle one before. FMH!
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Post by: Sherman Krank on February 01, 2019, 11:16:48 PM
^ Found this v

Quote
The American poet Rod McKuen translated the lyrics to English, and in 1964 The Kingston Trio released the first English-language version of the song. This is the version Terry Jacks heard, which became the basis for his rendition.

Quote
In a Songfacts interview with Terry Jacks, he said that after his version was released, he had dinner in Brussels with Jacques Brel, who told him about writing the song. "It was about an old man who was dying of a broken heart because his best friend was screwing his wife," Jacks said. "He wrote this in a whorehouse in Tangiers, and the words were quite different.

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Post by: Better Midlands on February 02, 2019, 04:37:38 AM
Wandering around youtube just now I found out that this persistent chunk of seventies nostalgia...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cd_Fdly3rX8

is actually a cover of this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLfRtK0oxYE

which itself is a cover of this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MB58PuNYO8o

Krystal & Shabba Ranks - Twice My Age from '89 is an interpolation of SITS. Nice bit of digital dancehall.

https://youtu.be/lTISKUGwKYk
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Post by: jobotic on February 02, 2019, 09:04:27 AM
I love the version by Spell, but I mustn't because Boyd Rice is a Nazi. The very definition of a guilty pleasure.
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Post by: Sherman Krank on February 02, 2019, 11:30:22 AM
I typed 'Seasons in the sun cover' into youtube and started clicking.
That's an hour of my life I'm not getting back.

Although this version (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MM5SY7bUgik) performed by what appears to be a Finnish death metal band and the Cookie Monster from Sesame Street is one of the funniest things I've heard in a while.


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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on February 02, 2019, 11:54:47 AM
Speaking of Steely Dan, one of the groups that Don Fagen and Walter Becker played in before forming Steely Dan together was called Leather Canary and featured a pre-fame Chevy Chase on drums.

Chevy Chase also drummed, sang and played keyboards in the late '60s sunshine pop group Chamaeleon Church.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgns0X939Ek (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgns0X939Ek)
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Post by: a duncandisorderly on February 17, 2019, 06:27:32 AM
jasper carrott's 'funky moped'.... that's ELO playing on it.
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Post by: Jockice on February 17, 2019, 10:21:42 AM
jasper carrott's 'funky moped'.... that's ELO playing on it.

A single that literally nobody bought for the a-side.
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Post by: Satchmo Distel on February 19, 2019, 03:11:30 AM
Toots and the Maytals did a cover of 'Country Roads'
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Post by: The Culture Bunker on February 19, 2019, 09:30:17 AM
Toots and the Maytals did a cover of 'Country Roads'
I'm sure someone told me that country music was/is popular in Jamaica.
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Post by: kidsick5000 on February 19, 2019, 09:39:32 AM
I'm sure someone told me that country music was/is popular in Jamaica.

Just like Phil Collins was big with early 90s rap artists
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Post by: gilbertharding on February 19, 2019, 10:20:13 AM
I'm sure someone told me that country music was/is popular in Jamaica.

One of the reasons they'll tell you UB40 split up was because one of the factions wanted to do a country record (because country music is/was popular in Jamaica).

I think I heard this story on an episode of ChartMusicPodCast - and if I did, then I'd bet you did too.
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Post by: The Culture Bunker on February 19, 2019, 10:36:07 AM
I think I heard this story on an episode of ChartMusicPodCast - and if I did, then I'd bet you did too.
No, never listened to that. I do work with a couple of people who visit family in Jamaica on a regular basis, so it may have been one of them that mentioned it to me.
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Post by: Crabwalk on February 19, 2019, 11:10:59 AM
Trade Secretary and massive fuckface Liam Fox gets a ‘thank you’ credit on Natalie Imbruglia’s mega-selling ‘Left of the Middle’ album.
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Post by: ToneLa on February 19, 2019, 11:23:20 AM
Trade Secretary and massive fuckface Liam Fox gets a ‘thank you’ credit on Natalie Imbruglia’s mega-selling ‘Left of the Middle’ album.

Say whAaaaaaAAA
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Post by: Better Midlands on February 19, 2019, 11:50:06 AM
I'm sure someone told me that country music was/is popular in Jamaica.

I remember reading somewhere it was because of Jamacia's proximity to southern USA they were able to pick up some of the more powerful radio signals and listen to country music stations.
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Post by: Better Midlands on February 19, 2019, 11:52:20 AM
http://daily.redbullmusicacademy.com/2015/05/reggae-country-feature
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Post by: fatguyranting on February 19, 2019, 12:23:16 PM
Trade Secretary and massive fuckface Liam Fox gets a ‘thank you’ credit on Natalie Imbruglia’s mega-selling ‘Left of the Middle’ album.

They were I think a couple at one point.




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Post by: gilbertharding on February 19, 2019, 12:36:04 PM
I remember reading somewhere it was because of Jamacia's proximity to southern USA they were able to pick up some of the more powerful radio signals and listen to country music stations.

Ah, now I remember reading - ages and ages ago - that the degraded sound quality of radio received from the USA in Jamaica almost literally resulted in Reggae - the musicians were attempting to replicate the sound of the soul records they liked but had only heard on AM radio.

Mind you, I'm old enough to remember when Radio 1 was subject to this kind of atmospheric interference (although I can't remember if it was usually worse, or better, at night) and my only regret is it didn't cause me to invent an internationally popular new pop music genre.
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Post by: poodlefaker on February 19, 2019, 12:49:14 PM
"You know when you've been Tangoed" - Gil Scott-Heron, that is.
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Post by: gib on February 19, 2019, 12:55:45 PM
Ah, now I remember reading - ages and ages ago - that the degraded sound quality of radio received from the USA in Jamaica almost literally resulted in Reggae - the musicians were attempting to replicate the sound of the soul records they liked but had only heard on AM radio.

Mind you, I'm old enough to remember when Radio 1 was subject to this kind of atmospheric interference (although I can't remember if it was usually worse, or better, at night) and my only regret is it didn't cause me to invent an internationally popular new pop music genre.

Jamaicans who did seasonal work in the USA would bring back blues and soul records, and these were played at dances so people would know what they were supposed to sound like, especially musicians. I also think the dodgy reception theory does a bit of a disservice to these musicians' creativity.
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Post by: buzby on February 19, 2019, 02:17:19 PM
Mind you, I'm old enough to remember when Radio 1 was subject to this kind of atmospheric interference (although I can't remember if it was usually worse, or better, at night)
Reception is usually better at night (particularly in the lower AM frequency bands) because they propogate by bouncing off the ionosphere. At night there is little to no solar UV radiation to ionize the gas molecules in the ionosphere so the signals are attenuated less when reflecting off it.
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Post by: Darles Chickens on February 19, 2019, 02:47:02 PM
Reception is usually better at night (particularly in the lower AM frequency bands) because they propogate by bouncing off the ionosphere. At night there is little to no solar UV radiation to ionize the gas molecules in the ionosphere so the signals are attenuated less when reflecting off it.

Although I used to find that the MW band used to get more crowded at night, due to the longer broadcast range of the transmissions, meaning more interference and essentially worse reception!
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Post by: gilbertharding on February 19, 2019, 03:42:51 PM
Yes that's right - I remember being aggrieved that Radio 1 only broadcast in stereo on VHF during the day, which meant that where I lived (Cambridgeshire) John Peel was barely audible above the fizzing, crackling and fading on MW.

(A story relayed to me by my brother who did a week's work experience at Quad Electronics when he was in the 5th Form: One of his mates asked why their tuners didn't have MW, and the boss snootily said "We don't make equipment for pop fans.")
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Post by: gilbertharding on February 19, 2019, 03:44:36 PM
Reception is usually better at night (particularly in the lower AM frequency bands) because they propogate by bouncing off the ionosphere. At night there is little to no solar UV radiation to ionize the gas molecules in the ionosphere so the signals are attenuated less when reflecting off it.

Is that why all the oldies get all misty eyed when they remember listening to Luxembourg on their trannies under the blankets?
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Post by: beanheadmcginty on February 19, 2019, 03:51:20 PM
You would have thought that AM would work best in the morning.
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Post by: Bennett Brauer on February 19, 2019, 06:54:46 PM
Is that why all the oldies get all misty eyed when they remember listening to Luxembourg on their trannies under the blankets?

I miss trawling FM for local radio stations and chancing upon the rozzers channel. (Someone at school convinced me that "report of a stolen car" was code for "pick us up some fish and chips". I was young though. And a bit slow.)
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Post by: Satchmo Distel on February 19, 2019, 08:25:03 PM
Gil-Scott Heron's dad played for Celtic

http://www.bbc.co.uk/caribbean/news/story/2009/01/090108_heron.shtml
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Post by: Darles Chickens on February 19, 2019, 08:42:41 PM
I miss trawling FM for local radio stations and chancing upon the rozzers channel. (Someone at school convinced me that "report of a stolen car" was code for "pick us up some fish and chips". I was young though. And a bit slow.)

I was told when I was a kid that it was 'illegal' to listen to that.
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Post by: Bennett Brauer on February 19, 2019, 09:09:49 PM
I think I was told that as well.

If it isn't illegal, they've certainly made it extremely difficult to eavesdrop on them today. I think you have to have the same transmission equipment that they have, basically.
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Post by: studpuppet on February 19, 2019, 10:29:51 PM
http://daily.redbullmusicacademy.com/2015/05/reggae-country-feature

I know this because my Jamaican-descent colleague's grandmother is a massive Jim Reeves fan.

Also, am I misremembering it, but isn't the old lady in Mars Attacks West Indian? It's her Slim Whitman record that proves to be the Martians' undoing.
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Post by: buzby on February 20, 2019, 12:55:27 AM
(A story relayed to me by my brother who did a week's work experience at Quad Electronics when he was in the 5th Form: One of his mates asked why their tuners didn't have MW, and the boss snootily said "We don't make equipment for pop fans.")
Quad did produce AM tuners well into the 33/303 amp era. The AM3 (designed to complement the FM3 stereo VHF tuner) was produced between 1969 and 1973:
(https://theartofsound.net/images/barrydhunt/013.jpg)
It's why the 33 preamp has two tuner inputs.

Is that why all the oldies get all misty eyed when they remember listening to Luxembourg on their trannies under the blankets?
Yes, it's also why radio hams can communicate to other hams across oceans and continents in the right conditions(they also use moon bouncing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%E2%80%93Moon%E2%80%93Earth_communication) to get long distances too).
I miss trawling FM for local radio stations and chancing upon the rozzers channel. (Someone at school convinced me that "report of a stolen car" was code for "pick us up some fish and chips". I was young though. And a bit slow.)
The VHF 'Police Bands' were above and below the public broadcast VHF/FM band, so if you had an old variable capacitor-based tuner that wasn't aligned particularly well then you could pick up some of the police radio too (usually only the control, unless there was a car nearby).
I was told when I was a kid that it was 'illegal' to listen to that.
I think I was told that as well.

If it isn't illegal, they've certainly made it extremely difficult to eavesdrop on them today. I think you have to have the same transmission equipment that they have, basically.
Yes, it's illegal under the Wireless Telegraphy Act to listen to licensed private radio systems like police, taxis etc (it's also illegal to listen to air band unless you have passed the radio exam as part of getting a pilot's licence). It's why the sale of scanners by Tandy and Maplin was always a legally murky area.

It's impossible to listen to the police now as they moved from using VHF radios to Airwave, which is basically a private GSM mobile phone network (it used to be run by O2). Like GSM, the digital audio data is  encrypted, and it hops frequencies as well, making it impossible to eavesdrop unless you have access to the encryption and hopping algorithms it uses.
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Post by: Bennett Brauer on February 20, 2019, 02:07:56 AM
It's impossible to listen to the police now as they moved from using VHF radios to Airwave, which is basically a private GSM mobile phone network (it used to be run by O2). Like GSM, the digital audio data is  encrypted, and it hops frequencies as well, making it impossible to eavesdrop unless you have access to the encryption and hopping algorithms it uses.

Two can play at that game. Pold are dcikheads who can't be trustde.
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Post by: Darles Chickens on February 20, 2019, 10:23:54 AM
The VHF 'Police Bands' were above and below the public broadcast VHF/FM band, so if you had an old variable capacitor-based tuner that wasn't aligned particularly well then you could pick up some of the police radio too (usually only the control, unless there was a car nearby).

I remember them being on around 98-102MHz, before that range was opened up to national radio around 1990, and the BBC put Radio 1 there.  So I decided to look into the history of FM transmissions in the UK.

Seems that the initial frequency allocation for FM broadcasts was just 88.1-97.6 MHz, most of which was allocated to the BBC, with a small amount of room for independent local radio.  Presumably tuners in the late 70s / early 80s would have been confined to this FM range.  Meanwhile, emergency transmissions happened below and above this range (80-85 MHz, 97.7-102.2 MHz).

In 1983, it was decided to extend the FM band from 87.6-107.9 MHz, making room for new commercial stations - but the emergency services still occupied that range between 97.7-102.2 MHz until 1989, when they were reallocated to the BBC and a national independent broadcaster (Classic FM).  The top end of the FM band, from 105-108 MHz was only released for broadcasting as "recently" as 1995, which surprised me.

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Post by: Utterdrivel on February 24, 2019, 07:14:46 AM
"You know when you've been Tangoed" - Gil Scott-Heron, that is.


Ha, nice one mate. Like you're going to fool me with that ridiculous oh my god it's true
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Post by: Jockice on February 24, 2019, 08:47:15 AM
Trade Secretary and massive fuckface Liam Fox gets a ‘thank you’ credit on Natalie Imbruglia’s mega-selling ‘Left of the Middle’ album.

They were I think a couple at one point.

I've heard that before but I refuse to believe it until shown proof. And by that I mean a video of them shagging. Although I doubt if I'd be able to watch more than a second of it.
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Post by: JesusAndYourBush on February 24, 2019, 10:40:06 AM
Trade Secretary and massive fuckface Liam Fox gets a ‘thank you’ credit on Natalie Imbruglia’s mega-selling ‘Left of the Middle’ album.

It's because he used to be the DJ, Dr Fox.
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Post by: studpuppet on February 24, 2019, 10:47:54 AM
It's because he used to be the DJ, Dr Fox.

Truer than you think:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1447407/Liam-Fox.html (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1447407/Liam-Fox.html)
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Post by: pupshaw on February 24, 2019, 05:00:20 PM
Citation required. Lookup pictures of old 60s and 70s radios and you will see the FM bands always go up to 108Mhz

I remember them being on around 98-102MHz, before that range was opened up to national radio around 1990, and the BBC put Radio 1 there.  So I decided to look into the history of FM transmissions in the UK.

Seems that the initial frequency allocation for FM broadcasts was just 88.1-97.6 MHz, most of which was allocated to the BBC, with a small amount of room for independent local radio.  Presumably tuners in the late 70s / early 80s would have been confined to this FM range.  Meanwhile, emergency transmissions happened below and above this range (80-85 MHz, 97.7-102.2 MHz).

In 1983, it was decided to extend the FM band from 87.6-107.9 MHz, making room for new commercial stations - but the emergency services still occupied that range between 97.7-102.2 MHz until 1989, when they were reallocated to the BBC and a national independent broadcaster (Classic FM).  The top end of the FM band, from 105-108 MHz was only released for broadcasting as "recently" as 1995, which surprised me.
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Post by: Sebastian Cobb on February 24, 2019, 05:32:49 PM
Quad did produce AM tuners well into the 33/303 amp era. The AM3 (designed to complement the FM3 stereo VHF tuner) was produced between 1969 and 1973:
(https://theartofsound.net/images/barrydhunt/013.jpg)
It's why the 33 preamp has two tuner inputs.
Yes, it's also why radio hams can communicate to other hams across oceans and continents in the right conditions(they also use moon bouncing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%E2%80%93Moon%E2%80%93Earth_communication) to get long distances too).The VHF 'Police Bands' were above and below the public broadcast VHF/FM band, so if you had an old variable capacitor-based tuner that wasn't aligned particularly well then you could pick up some of the police radio too (usually only the control, unless there was a car nearby).Yes, it's illegal under the Wireless Telegraphy Act to listen to licensed private radio systems like police, taxis etc (it's also illegal to listen to air band unless you have passed the radio exam as part of getting a pilot's licence). It's why the sale of scanners by Tandy and Maplin was always a legally murky area.

It's impossible to listen to the police now as they moved from using VHF radios to Airwave, which is basically a private GSM mobile phone network (it used to be run by O2). Like GSM, the digital audio data is  encrypted, and it hops frequencies as well, making it impossible to eavesdrop unless you have access to the encryption and hopping algorithms it uses.

Tetra is completely different to gsm. At a high level it works in a similar way, I suppose, but all the codecs and routing are different.

One of the things tetra is capable of, but even modern 4g mobile standards aren't is near-instantaneous PTT, mobiles have a habit of chopping the front off, which has significant problems when you consider messages like 'DON'T SHOOT'.

My old man installed the trial Tetra system in Brum before Airwave got the contract. I remember him dragging me to huts on hills in the Midlands to fuck around with the rack mounted stuff on school holidays when I was too young to be left at home.

Prior to that he helped one police force implement an analogue encrypted system, I think it used a vocoder that shifted the frequencies based on a key and time so it sounded garbled. Apparently the pawn shops were full of tandy scanners the following week.

I think he still has a garage full of Philips FM1100's and the hand-portable version that he intends to reprogram to 70cm/2metre bands.
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Post by: Sebastian Cobb on February 24, 2019, 08:57:12 PM
Shamefully I've also not actually tried my FM3. Basic curiosity should've driven me to it, I know.

Might have to pull it out and listen to Late Junction or something. I can imagine radio 3 is one of the few stations that won't just sound bollocks.

It's interesting how AM/FM shaped music production. Lots of 'classic' rock being produced for American AM rock stations. Of course classic 60's girl groups and garage bands sound grand through an AM radio, it's clear they were produced to sound hot through it, but they also sound like an AM radio on a clear set up.
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Post by: buzby on February 24, 2019, 11:39:28 PM
Tetra is completely different to gsm. At a high level it works in a similar way, I suppose, but all the codecs and routing are different.
I was simplifying for the general audience. My employer were subbies for most of the cell site installs in Northern England and Scotland for the Airwave network (and are now working on it's replacement, ESN). Our 'Blue Light' division also did loads of cab installs for a few Fire Services (including some early ones where a third-party PSU would occasionally burst into flames). The Rail division also did a load of GSM-R cell site installs for Network Rail too.
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Prior to that he helped one police force implement an analogue encrypted system, I think it used a vocoder that shifted the frequencies based on a key and time so it sounded garbled. Apparently the pawn shops were full of tandy scanners the following week.
It used to be pretty interesting, but there's bugger all to listen to with a scanner now. During the Toxteth riots we were sat listening to the police on my dad's LW/MW/VHF/'Police Band' Teleton radio (the Police Band also picked up the 41.5MHz 405-line sound carrier, so during the power cuts in the 70s we used ot listen to the TV on it).

I always remember on my first site visit with work, the senior engineer (who was a Ham) had his handheld scanner with him and we were listening to the analogue cellphone network all the way there and back.
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I think he still has a garage full of Philips FM1100's and the hand-portable version that he intends to reprogram to 70cm/2metre bands.
Very nice. The same Ham used to reprogram old Pye/Philips PFX handhelds by putting new PROMs in them, and he wrote his own software to reprogram PR710s for the Ham bands.

Shamefully I've also not actually tried my FM3. Basic curiosity should've driven me to it, I know.

Might have to pull it out and listen to Late Junction or something. I can imagine radio 3 is one of the few stations that won't just sound bollocks.
It sounds pretty good (mated to the 33, as it's output is a little low compared to line level on modern preamps), and with a decent aerial it gets very good signal discrimination. The only problem is the 300ohm DIN/IEC dipole aerial connector, which are getting very expensive and hard to find (it was only used by Quad, B&O and some native German manufacturers). You can get adapters to connect more modern 75 ohm antennas with a coax connector though (I was lucky enough to get the original 300 ohm antenna with mine).
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Post by: Sebastian Cobb on February 25, 2019, 12:07:26 AM
The PFX was a good bit of kit. Basic but sounded good. Much better than the later PRP series.
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Post by: Geoffs~Cape on February 25, 2019, 02:27:56 PM
I know this because my Jamaican-descent colleague's grandmother is a massive Jim Reeves fan.

Also, am I misremembering it, but isn't the old lady in Mars Attacks West Indian? It's her Slim Whitman record that proves to be the Martians' undoing.

West Indian's love of Jim Reeves also gets a mention in this BBC Four doc from a few years ago, around the 1min45sec mark:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dosT5fkQay8

And I can confirm my West Indian father in law does indeed have a Best Of Jim Reeves LP nestled amongst his Yabby You and Burning Spear 12"s.
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Post by: George White on February 26, 2019, 10:28:18 AM
No, the old woman in MA is Sylvia Sidney, who's very WASP.

Jim Reeves and Slim Whitman and Charley Pride- also huge in Ireland, country and western being huge amongst the Ireland's Own demographic. The latter IIRC still tours around rural Ireland, to large audiences of old biddies and JR wannabes.

There are far more similarities in WEST INDIAN and IRISH CULTURE than people admire. I think that's one of the reasons why that Anthony Lennon fella thinks he's culturally African. I think he just thought because he's Irish and felt at home with Caribbean people, but you know, both come from mainly rural backgrounds, faced prejudice, both like the same kind of things...
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Post by: Rich Uncle Skeleton on February 26, 2019, 12:37:18 PM
I've heard that before but I refuse to believe it until shown proof. And by that I mean a video of them shagging. Although I doubt if I'd be able to watch more than a second of it.

Sorry bit of a tangent here but I read that post while listening to The Beltway Bandits by Frank Zappa (https://youtu.be/HGDubon1mFQ) so had the rather alarming mental image of sped up footage of them going at it...

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Post by: gilbertharding on February 26, 2019, 02:18:57 PM
All the talk about 2 way radios reminds me of when I was in the air cadets in the 80s, and somehow our squadron had got hold of some equipment we called Storno - which I guess is the brand name - for when we were out doing adventure training, mainly in the woods around Thetford. Anyway, this stuff was absolutely useless, and mainly ended up just being another thing we had to carry around/keep dry. God knows where it came from, but there were a number of regular RAF people who used to volunteer their time to us, and one of them was 'in Supply', so this stuff was probably liberated from there.
We had a three or four walkie talkies, like this:
(https://thumbs.worthpoint.com/wpimages/images/images1/360/0714/11/360_c350da389c268724a1d0823f11eff1d7.jpg)
and a couple of rigs which could be used at base, or in the Leyland Sherpa minibus  our 'supply' person had provided. The effective range for these radios Thetford forest was approximately 100yds.

Buzby: over to you.
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Post by: thraxx on February 26, 2019, 02:22:09 PM
The effective range for these radios Thetford forest was approximately 100yds.

STANTA?
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Post by: buzby on February 26, 2019, 03:15:06 PM
All the talk about 2 way radios reminds me of when I was in the air cadets in the 80s, and somehow our squadron had got hold of some equipment we called Storno - which I guess is the brand name - for when we were out doing adventure training, mainly in the woods around Thetford. Anyway, this stuff was absolutely useless, and mainly ended up just being another thing we had to carry around/keep dry. God knows where it came from, but there were a number of regular RAF people who used to volunteer their time to us, and one of them was 'in Supply', so this stuff was probably liberated from there.
We had a three or four walkie talkies, like this:
(https://thumbs.worthpoint.com/wpimages/images/images1/360/0714/11/360_c350da389c268724a1d0823f11eff1d7.jpg)
and a couple of rigs which could be used at base, or in the Leyland Sherpa minibus  our 'supply' person had provided. The effective range for these radios Thetford forest was approximately 100yds.

Buzby: over to you.
Looks like a Storno (http://www.storno.co.uk/stornophone_800.htm) 'Stornophone' CQP813 handheld. They were first manufactured in 1973 for the PMR market, but were also aquired for use by many Government agencies including the RAF and SAS (theirs were fitted with digital scramber modules). The RAF got rid of theirs in the early 90s.
(https://www.qsl.net/gm8aob/images/STORNO%20CQP813%20encrypted%20INSIDE_IMG.jpg)
https://www.qsl.net/gm8aob/pages_2/cqp612.htm (https://www.qsl.net/gm8aob/pages_2/cqp612.htm)
Storno also manufactured the RadioPhones made for the GPO/BT System 4 (http://cellnet.illtyd.co.uk/system-4) FM radio network (the early 80s predecessor to cellular mobile).
(https://www.qsl.net/gm8aob/images_2/STORNO%20CQM715%2055CHAN%20GPO%20RADIOPHONE%20System%204%20%2017_03_2012%2012_39_50%205719%20(5).JPG)

Storno were originally a Danish company that moved into the UK market by purchasing a test equipment manufacturer called Southern Instruments. The were sold by their parent company to GE in the mid-70s and were subsequently sold to Motorola in 1986.
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Post by: a duncandisorderly on February 26, 2019, 03:33:55 PM
we had stornos at brooky; they replaced an actual motorola-branded system of handsets, headsets & a base-station/antenna when the group of frequencies was reclassified from what we were using it for (tv production) & given to a local cab firm.
the interference was intolerable during the overlap period, & repurposing the hardware with new crystals &c was either too costly or impractical. the storno handsets were like the ones in that pic up there, twice the size of the old motorolas, but the battery life was better, so up with them we put.
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Post by: studpuppet on February 28, 2019, 02:59:50 PM
Lawrence Dallaglio once sang backing vocals for Tina Turner.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Dallaglio#Early_life (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Dallaglio#Early_life)
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Post by: Special K on March 03, 2019, 10:32:40 PM
Shakin Stevens is 70 years old!
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Post by: McChesney Duntz on March 03, 2019, 11:04:21 PM
And probably actually shaking!
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Post by: DrGreggles on March 03, 2019, 11:08:20 PM
Shakin Stevens is 70 years old!

And I'm going to see him next week!
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Post by: thecuriousorange on March 12, 2019, 10:57:07 AM
The line often attributed to John Lennon - "Ringo isn't the best drummer in the world. He isn't even the best drummer in the Beatles" - was actually uttered by British comedian Jasper Carrott in 1983.
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Post by: SteveDave on March 12, 2019, 11:07:53 AM
Shakin Stevens is 70 years old!

He's my friend Andrew's second cousin!
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Post by: Jockice on March 12, 2019, 11:19:06 AM
Rick Witter from Shed Seven had a granny called Alice Cooper.
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Post by: Norton Canes on March 12, 2019, 11:20:07 AM
71, keep up
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Post by: thecuriousorange on March 12, 2019, 11:20:14 AM
That Jasper Carrott one is serious by the way. At least according to the BBC news website.
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Post by: daf on March 12, 2019, 11:27:41 AM
Goes even further back according to Beatle Book Bloke Mark Lewisohn :
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“Ringo wasn’t even the best drummer in the Beatles.” Never said by John Lennon. Jasper Carrott’s office claimed it as 1983 gag; proof now it was said earlier, in BBC comedy Radio Active in Oct 1981. File here. Voice by Philip Pope. Written by Geoffrey Perkins. Not by John Lennon.
https://mobile.twitter.com/marklewisohn/status/1039429309797158912?lang=en

A bit like the ITV Morcambe & Wise conductor sketch that was later re-done on the BBC to much greater effect with Andre Previn, you feel the gag is a bit thrown away here - with it's full potential unexploited for maximum woofs . . .

That said . . . has anyone actually found a recording of Jasper Carrott saying this line?

Maybe it was Radio Active all along - someone picked up on it, and the line has just ripened to perfection in the constant retelling - with the Lennon attribution being the 'Previn' cherry on the top.
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Post by: Norton Canes on March 12, 2019, 11:36:07 AM
It's a shame none of the quotes from their Bee Gees/Heebeegeebies show never made it into common parlance.
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Post by: DrGreggles on March 12, 2019, 12:22:06 PM
The line often attributed to John Lennon - "Ooh, funky moped" - was actually uttered by British comedian Jasper Carrott in 1975.

True dat
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Post by: daf on March 12, 2019, 12:37:22 PM
jasper carrott's 'funky moped'.... that's ELO playing on it.

The Goodies' 'Funky Gibbon' : They haven't stopped dancing yet . . .
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It was arranged by Tom Parker ("with interference from Bill Oddie") with the musical backing provided by members of the R&B band Gonzalez
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Post by: poodlefaker on March 12, 2019, 12:51:51 PM
Also Dave Macrae of Matching Mole.

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Bill Oddie:
You won't believe the musical pretensions that went on in my head. I listened to a lot of jazz and a lot of funk, and that period of the '70s for me was fantastic - it was really the era when fusion started. The people I liked were Sly Stone and early Parliament, and I listened to what was happening in jazz at the time, when Miles Davis was coming up with some very interesting hybrid music. With 'Funky Gibbon', I started off - it's almost unbelievable considering how stupid the song is - trying to get the feel of a Miles Davis track, I can't remember which, probably just after Bitches Brew and that sort of era: some really choppy Miles Davis-type rhythm, again with a Sly Stone influence.
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Post by: studpuppet on March 12, 2019, 01:34:05 PM
It was arranged by Tom Parker ("with interference from Bill Oddie") with the musical backing provided by members of the R&B band Gonzalez

I thought The Colonel couldn't leave the States because he had 'nationality' issues, and that's why Elvis never toured abroad?
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Post by: Crabwalk on March 13, 2019, 09:13:04 AM
Christ, I’m currently reading Stuart Cosgrove’s Detroit ‘67 and have just learned something about James Brown that will prevent me from ever getting the same joy from his music again. I mean, I knew he was a bastard but... I’ll put it in spoilers as it’s just so horrible.

While on tour in ‘64 he had an abusive sexual relationship with 17-year-old Tammi Terrell,  once ‘rupturing her vagina’ with an umbrella. Her family only found out when they called her back from the tour and found a blood-soaked kimono in her luggage.

I’ve not yet looked into whether her brain haemorrhage and death a few years later were ever linked to Brown’s abuse but...fucking hell.

Edit: it was a brain tumour, so nothing to link Brown’s beatings (or those by her subsequent boyfriend David Ruffin) to her premature death.
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Post by: SteveDave on March 13, 2019, 11:21:06 AM
That's put me right off my ham bap.
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Post by: Sebastian Cobb on March 13, 2019, 04:28:31 PM
Storno were originally a Danish company that moved into the UK market by purchasing a test equipment manufacturer called Southern Instruments. The were sold by their parent company to GE in the mid-70s and were subsequently sold to Motorola in 1986.

My old man had one of them. I don't recall seeing the actual radio but I'm pretty sure he still has the briefcase.

I actually still use the bag from a philips car/bagphone (see here) for my slr and lenses.
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/7FgAAOSwgStbBoZI/s-l300.jpg)

Paired with an Cambridge Z88 or an Amstrad PPC and one could work from anywhere.
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Post by: Pseudopath on March 13, 2019, 08:39:50 PM
Billy Idol is English? When the fuck did that happen?
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Post by: The Culture Bunker on March 13, 2019, 08:48:52 PM
Not a recent one from me, but was reminded of it when I heard the song in question today:

The Jesus and Mary Chain once provided backing vocals for an Erasure song.

In fact, I think I learned this on here, but thought it was worth repeating. 
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Post by: daf on March 13, 2019, 08:50:32 PM
Billy Idol is English?

One of the Siouxsie Punk set wasn't he? 'Suburban Cockney' Geezer.

~ (reaches for box-file of voluminous NME clippings from top shelf, dislodging a sparkling skein of dust in the process) ~

. . . ah yes, here we go - part of the "Bromley Contingent (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bromley_Contingent)" :

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The Bromley Contingent were a group of followers of the Sex Pistols: The name was coined by Melody Maker journalist Caroline Coon, after the town of Bromley where some of them lived. They helped popularise the fashion of the early UK punk movement. Most of them were fans of Dave Bowie and The Davie Bowie Band (feat. Dave Bowie).

The group included Siouxsie Sioux, Steven Severin, Billy Idol, Jordan, Soo Catwoman, Simon 'Boy' Barker, Debbie Juvenile (née Wilson), Linda Ashby, Philip Sallon, Simone Thomas, Bertie 'Berlin' Marshall, Tracie O'Keefe and Sharon Hayman. There were other members who, although very important to the group, did not become more recognised within the later punk scene; names such as Angel and Ruth were remembered, especially by Siouxsie.
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Post by: Jockice on March 13, 2019, 09:15:08 PM
Not a recent one from me, but was reminded of it when I heard the song in question today:

The Jesus and Mary Chain once provided backing vocals for an Erasure song.

In fact, I think I learned this on here, but thought it was worth repeating.

It's one psychological drama after another.
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Post by: Sebastian Cobb on March 13, 2019, 11:29:01 PM
Billy Idol is English? When the fuck did that happen?

I learned this from the Wedding Singer.
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Post by: Nice Relaxing Poo on March 14, 2019, 12:01:29 PM
I only found out the other day that Kelsey Grammer sang the theme song to Frasier, I have no idea who else I thought it might be for all these years.
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Post by: SteveDave on March 14, 2019, 02:17:10 PM
I only found out the other day that Kelsey Grammer sang the theme song to Frasier, I have no idea who else I thought it might be for all these years.

George Ezra
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Post by: thecuriousorange on March 18, 2019, 07:27:09 PM
That isn't Ayers Rock on the front of that Led Zeppelin DVD from 2003.
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on March 18, 2019, 07:35:37 PM
Christ, I’m currently reading Stuart Cosgrove’s Detroit ‘67 and have just learned something about James Brown that will prevent me from ever getting the same joy from his music again. I mean, I knew he was a bastard but... I’ll put it in spoilers as it’s just so horrible.

While on tour in ‘64 he had an abusive sexual relationship with 17-year-old Tammi Terrell,  once ‘rupturing her vagina’ with an umbrella. Her family only found out when they called her back from the tour and found a blood-soaked kimono in her luggage.

I’ve not yet looked into whether her brain haemorrhage and death a few years later were ever linked to Brown’s abuse but...fucking hell.

Edit: it was a brain tumour, so nothing to link Brown’s beatings (or those by her subsequent boyfriend David Ruffin) to her premature death.

That's horrific.
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Post by: poodlefaker on March 19, 2019, 09:31:05 AM
Never liked The Beautiful South for the same reason I never liked The Housemartins: can't abide Paul Heaton's singing voice. I learned at the weekend that a lot of the time  the lead vocals on BS songs aren't Heaton at all, but some other bloke, Dave something. Never listened closely enough to hear the difference.
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Post by: buzby on March 19, 2019, 10:43:07 AM
Never liked The Beautiful South for the same reason I never liked The Housemartins: can't abide Paul Heaton's singing voice. I learned at the weekend that a lot of the time  the lead vocals on BS songs aren't Heaton at all, but some other bloke, Dave something. Never listened closely enough to hear the difference.
Dave Hemingway, who was also in The Housemartins with Heaton. Heaton and gutarist Dave Rotheray were the main songwriters and Heaton and Hemingway shared lead vocal duties with Brianna Corrigan and later Jacqui Abbott and Alison Wheeler. Heaton and Abbott sing on more of their singles than Hemingway though - for instance, Heaton sings lead on You Keep It All In, I'll Sail This Ship Alone, Old Red Eyes Is Back and Perfect 10, Hemingway sang lead on A Little TIme and 36D, and Abbott sang lead on Everybody's Talkin', Don't Marry Her and Rotterdam.

They split in 2007, due to what Heaton called 'musical similarities'. Hemingway formed The New Beautiful South with former members Wheeler and drummer Dave Stead in 2008 (though they later changed their name to The South, presumably because Heaton got the lawyers in). Heaton went solo and started working with Jacqui Abbott again in 2011.
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Post by: DrGreggles on March 19, 2019, 11:24:39 AM
can't abide Paul Heaton's singing voice

I can see why some people wouldn't like it. Distinctive vocals are like that, I suppose.
I think he's fucking ace though.
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Post by: phantom_power on March 19, 2019, 11:37:07 AM
Hemingway took over as drummer from the original Housemartins drummer, as parodied in one of their videos.  He also sang on some of their songs, such as Build ("a house where we can stay")
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Post by: DrGreggles on March 19, 2019, 11:50:25 AM
Hemingway took over as drummer from the original Housemartins drummer, as parodied in one of their videos.  He also sang on some of their songs, such as Build ("a house where we can stay")

Five Get Over Excited: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGYofWnTueQ
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Post by: the ouch cube on March 19, 2019, 09:33:19 PM
Dave Fridmann, producer of various swirly psychedelic and/or alt-country sounding indie groups, also produced 'Chaos For The Converted', the 1994 album by squat dwelling cyber-crusties Creaming Jesus.
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Post by: jamiefairlie on March 19, 2019, 09:39:29 PM
One of the Siouxsie Punk set wasn't he? 'Suburban Cockney' Geezer.

~ (reaches for box-file of voluminous NME clippings from top shelf, dislodging a sparkling skein of dust in the process) ~

. . . ah yes, here we go - part of the "Bromley Contingent (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bromley_Contingent)" :

Singer of Generation X too, had a few top of the pops appearances. He must have gone ‘Stateside’ early 80s
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Post by: buzby on March 20, 2019, 01:06:17 AM
Singer of Generation X too, had a few top of the pops appearances. He must have gone ‘Stateside’ early 80s
Moved to New York in 1981, after Generation X split in 1980 (his family had previously lived in NY when he was between 2 and 6 years old). He only became a naturalised US citizen last year.
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Post by: DrGreggles on March 20, 2019, 08:31:19 AM
First time I was in Florida as a nipper (1987-ish) there was a sold out Billy Idol gig happening nearby.
At the Florida Bowl.
To 80000+ punters.

Fair to say that he's done pretty well Stateside!
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Post by: Bobby Treetops on March 20, 2019, 09:08:04 AM
The Grateful Dead did the theme for the 80's reboot of the Twilight Zone

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KF-yh4mU6ps

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Post by: Jockice on March 20, 2019, 10:18:17 AM
Dave Hemingway, who was also in The Housemartins with Heaton. Heaton and gutarist Dave Rotheray were the main songwriters and Heaton and Hemingway shared lead vocal duties with Brianna Corrigan and later Jacqui Abbott and Alison Wheeler. Heaton and Abbott sing on more of their singles than Hemingway though - for instance, Heaton sings lead on You Keep It All In, I'll Sail This Ship Alone, Old Red Eyes Is Back and Perfect 10, Hemingway sang lead on A Little TIme and 36D, and Abbott sang lead on Everybody's Talkin', Don't Marry Her and Rotterdam.

They split in 2007, due to what Heaton called 'musical similarities'. Hemingway formed The New Beautiful South with former members Wheeler and drummer Dave Stead in 2008 (though they later changed their name to The South, presumably because Heaton got the lawyers in). Heaton went solo and started working with Jacqui Abbott again in 2011.

I think that Heaton had a problem with Hemingway's lack of onstage confidence (after all, he'd started off at the back) so although he wrote songs with his voice in mind, he often ended up taking them on himself.

As for the South, Heaton has described them as a 'scab band' and I believe Hemingway himself left not that long ago. I think Wheeler's the only original band member left, although she's undoubtedly the least-remembered of the BS's three female singers.
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Post by: The Culture Bunker on March 20, 2019, 05:38:53 PM
First time I was in Florida as a nipper (1987-ish) there was a sold out Billy Idol gig happening nearby.
At the Florida Bowl.
To 80000+ punters.

Fair to say that he's done pretty well Stateside!
Around that time he topped the US Hot 100 with a live version of 'Mony Mony' (which he'd previously recorded before he made the big time  - on what sounds a budget of 50p), though the really big hits ended not long after, probably not helped by him being out of action for a time after a rather nasty motorbike accident.

Which also, apparently, prevented him from taking the role of the T-1000 in Terminator 2!
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Post by: gilbertharding on March 20, 2019, 05:43:28 PM
Hemingway took over as drummer from the original Housemartins drummer, as parodied in one of their videos.  He also sang on some of their songs, such as Build ("a house where we can stay")

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Hugh Whitaker (born 18 May 1961) is an English musician and the former drummer for the British indie rock band The Housemartins. He replaced original drummer Chris Lang and drummed for the band's first album, London 0 Hull 4, and its attendant single releases. He left the band before the recording of their second album, The People Who Grinned Themselves to Death. Whitaker left the band on amicable terms and even participated in the promotional video for the band's first single without him, "Five Get Over Excited", wherein he was kidnapped by his replacement, Dave Hemingway, and locked in a hessian sack.

Whitaker went on to play drums in London-based indie band The Servants, and then in several Hull rock bands, including The Penny Candles, The Juniper Chute, The Fabulous Ducks, and The Gargoyles.

In 1993, Whitaker was sent to prison for six years for assaulting former business associate James Hewitt with an axe and setting fire to his house on three occasions.[1]

In 1997 Hugh moved to Leeds. After a short stint as drummer with Freddie and the Dreamers he joined a local band, Percy. In 2012, back in Hull, and having played a range of musical styles in many bands, he joined eclectic rock outfit Pocketful O'Nowt.[2]

Housemartins drummers: 3.
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Post by: phantom_power on March 20, 2019, 06:01:47 PM
Hugh is the star of the "Think For a Minute" video as well. According to that Paul Heaton documentary a few months ago he was unhappy with the level of fame the band had.

Weren't The Servants the band Luke Haines was in before The Auteurs?
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Post by: Jockice on March 20, 2019, 09:24:51 PM
Hugh is the star of the "Think For a Minute" video as well. According to that Paul Heaton documentary a few months ago he was unhappy with the level of fame the band had.

Weren't The Servants the band Luke Haines was in before The Auteurs?

Hugh did the odd bit of lead vocals himself. I remember seeing The Housemartins once and he stepped forward to do Drop Down Dead. I think Hugh was a bit more hardline left-wing than even Heaton in those days and objected to some of the commercial aspects of their success as well as being so recognisable. I don't know him but do know someone who is quite friendly with him and says he just prefers playing in front of smaller audiences. I saw him live with The Gargoyles once. They were an absolutely brilliant live band who could just never reproduce it on record.

But when the Housemartins split up with Hemingway on drums, Heaton took him on as a vocalist for the Beautiful South (whose co-songwriter Dave Rotheray had previously been in the Workers' Revolutionary Party but didn't seem to have that many qualms about selling out) but sensed that Hemingway didn't particularly like being at the front of the stage so ended up taking on most of the songs himself. I'm surprised that Hemingway carried on singing with The South for so long. But I suppose you have to pay the mortgage somehow.

Incidentally, I was at a Beautiful South gig in Doncaster once and ended up in the balcony sitting next to Dave Hemingway's mum. She was ever so proud.
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: Jockice on March 20, 2019, 09:25:19 PM
Hugh is the star of the "Think For a Minute" video as well. According to that Paul Heaton documentary a few months ago he was unhappy with the level of fame the band had.

Weren't The Servants the band Luke Haines was in before The Auteurs?

And yes. It was.
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: Jockice on March 20, 2019, 09:47:29 PM
Five Get Over Excited: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGYofWnTueQ

They continued the 'Hugh in a sack' theme up until their final single. Incidentally, the school Heaton went to and wrote this song about is a few hundred metres from my flat. And was also attended by Graham Fellows and various members of the Human League, ABC and Def Leppard. But not me. Although Hemingway does look a bit like my old games teacher in this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvyhL3eV1vU
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: a duncandisorderly on March 23, 2019, 09:36:46 AM
They continued the 'Hugh in a sack' theme up until their final single. Incidentally, the school Heaton went to and wrote this song about is a few hundred metres from my flat. And was also attended by Graham Fellows and various members of the Human League, ABC and Def Leppard. But not me.

is Graham Fellows any relation to Steve Fellows (comsats)?
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: Jockice on March 23, 2019, 10:26:35 AM
is Graham Fellows any relation to Steve Fellows (comsats)?

I don't think so. I've interviewed both of them in the past but never asked. And Steve absolutely hates my guts nowadays.

But here's one for you. Graham Fellows' sister used to be married to Ainsley Harriott.  She had something to do with a local chip shop and he'd apparently sometimes pop in and do a shift. Although I never saw him in there.
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: Satchmo Distel on March 23, 2019, 12:45:19 PM
George Harrison's second wife, Olivia, went to the same high school as The Beach Boys and Chris Montez (Hawthorne, CA).
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: jamiefairlie on March 23, 2019, 03:40:37 PM
They continued the 'Hugh in a sack' theme up until their final single. Incidentally, the school Heaton went to and wrote this song about is a few hundred metres from my flat. And was also attended by Graham Fellows and various members of the Human League, ABC and Def Leppard. But not me. Although Hemingway does look a bit like my old games teacher in this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvyhL3eV1vU

Hugh in a sack, that he made in prison.

Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: Jockice on March 23, 2019, 03:46:37 PM
David Bowie's favourite band name ever was The Slits.
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: daf on March 23, 2019, 03:51:01 PM
Chaka Khan has a sister called Taka Boom (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOJYph-JsT4)

(actually . . . she's really called Yvonne, and Chaka's real name is Yvette Marie Stevens - the big frauds!)
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: Better Midlands on March 23, 2019, 03:58:41 PM
Chaka Khan has a sister called Taka Boom (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOJYph-JsT4)

(actually . . . she's really called Yvonne, and Chaka's real name is Yvette Marie Stevens - the big frauds!)

She had a UK top 10 hit in 2000 with Joey Negro

https://youtu.be/rIhjd9bxSUw
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: kalowski on March 23, 2019, 04:01:06 PM
David Bowie's favourite band name ever was The Slits.
And his favourite musician was Scott Walker (even if Bowie denied it)
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: A Hat Like That on March 23, 2019, 04:14:01 PM
Around that time he topped the US Hot 100 with a live version of 'Mony Mony' (which he'd previously recorded before he made the big time  - on what sounds a budget of 50p), though the really big hits ended not long after, probably not helped by him being out of action for a time after a rather nasty motorbike accident.

Which also, apparently, prevented him from taking the role of the T-1000 in Terminator 2!

unrelated, or related, your call. Here's a list of 4 people almost cast as Terminators.

Lance Henriksen (Cameron's first choice for the role)

OJ Simpson (Studio suggestion after a few more famous names turned the role down.  Cameron did not feel that Simpson would be believable as a killer.)

Billy Idol (as in post above, and yes, motorbike crash did for him)

Mariusz Pudzianowski (to have Arnie's face added in post-production for the end of Salvation)



Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: The Culture Bunker on March 23, 2019, 04:28:26 PM
unrelated, or related, your call. Here's a list of 4 people almost cast as Terminators.

Lance Henriksen (Cameron's first choice for the role)
Which makes sense. I never quite understood why Skynet would think a musclebound monster (with an Austrian accent) would make a good infiltration unit in a world where humanity is hunting rats down for any kind of nutrition. And I doubt the local gym survived nuclear Armageddon. However, I let it slide with the original film as it's bloody great.

Henriksen did (does?) have that malnourished look about him. Still, Cameron managed to get him cast as an android eventually. 
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: Jockice on March 23, 2019, 04:54:11 PM
They continued the 'Hugh in a sack' theme up until their final single. Incidentally, the school Heaton went to and wrote this song about is a few hundred metres from my flat. And was also attended by Graham Fellows and various members of the Human League, ABC and Def Leppard. But not me. Although Hemingway does look a bit like my old games teacher in this.

Emily Maitlis also went to the same school. I didn't know that till a few minutes ago.
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: thecuriousorange on March 23, 2019, 10:54:39 PM
unrelated, or related, your call. Here's a list of 4 people almost cast as Terminators.

Lance Henriksen (Cameron's first choice for the role)

OJ Simpson (Studio suggestion after a few more famous names turned the role down.  Cameron did not feel that Simpson would be believable as a killer.)

Billy Idol (as in post above, and yes, motorbike crash did for him)

Mariusz Pudzianowski (to have Arnie's face added in post-production for the end of Salvation)

Deceased wrestling legend Chyna claimed she was almost the baddy in Terminator 3.
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: thecuriousorange on March 23, 2019, 11:02:17 PM
And fuck your hat maybe you did know this Mick Jagger was the lead in Fitzcarraldo when they started filming it. He was soon re-cast.
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: Gregory Torso on March 24, 2019, 10:40:22 PM
There's a band called Blessure Grave, and I was thinking it like "bless your grave" hoo-haa, I bet they knew I would think that, idiot twat fromage frais, fucking anglais piece of merde - it's French for "serious injury". Fuck them, and their kisses and their toast.
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: Cuntbeaks on March 24, 2019, 11:18:52 PM
And fuck your hat maybe you did know this Mick Jagger was the lead in Fitzcarraldo when they started filming it. He was soon re-cast.
On a DVD i had, there were outtakes of Jagger acting a few scenes, he was absolutely fucking tragic. There was a direct comparison of a scene where Fitzcarraldo rings the tower bell. Jagger, gay. Kinski, electric.
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: MidnightShambler on March 24, 2019, 11:27:52 PM
On a DVD i had, there were outtakes of Jagger acting a few scenes, he was absolutely fucking tragic. There was a direct comparison of a scene where Fitzcarraldo rings the tower bell. Jagger, gay. Kinski, electric.

Apparently Herzog thinks differently. He still laments Jagger having to leave the film and was really upset about it, he thought he was fantastic. He was terrible in Freejack and Ned Kelly but was brilliant in Performance and very good in The Man From Elysian Fields so I've got a split opinion of him as an actor. Actually terrible doesn't quite cover it for Ned Kelly, it was embarrassing.

https://www.thelocal.de/20121205/46563
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: Twed on March 25, 2019, 02:06:39 AM
More of an observation:

(https://i.imgur.com/mtWRtiy.png) (https://i.imgur.com/15eEVcE.png)
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: Cuntbeaks on March 25, 2019, 09:18:30 AM
Apparently Herzog thinks differently. He still laments Jagger having to leave the film and was really upset about it, he thought he was fantastic. He was terrible in Freejack and Ned Kelly but was brilliant in Performance and very good in The Man From Elysian Fields so I've got a split opinion of him as an actor. Actually terrible doesn't quite cover it for Ned Kelly, it was embarrassing.

https://www.thelocal.de/20121205/46563

The scene in question

https://youtu.be/9NguSHnOWik (https://youtu.be/9NguSHnOWik)
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: MidnightShambler on March 25, 2019, 11:31:17 AM
The scene in question

https://youtu.be/9NguSHnOWik (https://youtu.be/9NguSHnOWik)

Oh I'm not disagreeing with you really, just that Herzog really seems to think he was great so it's not all that clear cut. Kinski is playing the Jason Robards role there as well, so it's not really a fair comparison because aside from ringing a bell they're playing different characters, though I agree Jagger looks fey and a bit silly in that scene. Maybe the film had a different tone while he was in it? Robards was a fucking great actor and Kinski makes him look ordinary in comparison, Mick has no chance!
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: monkfromhavana on April 12, 2019, 11:37:04 AM
I have just found out that Hugh Fraser, the actor who plays Captain Hastings in Poirot was the co-writer of the theme tune to 'Rainbow'.
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Post by: The Culture Bunker on April 12, 2019, 08:24:48 PM
I have just found out that Hugh Fraser, the actor who plays Captain Hastings in Poirot was the co-writer of the theme tune to 'Rainbow'.
It's worth listening to the full length version for the melancholic folky middle section (or whatever the correct music terminology is):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJsaujSs7Fw

Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: a duncandisorderly on April 12, 2019, 08:39:19 PM
More of an observation:

(https://i.imgur.com/mtWRtiy.png) (https://i.imgur.com/15eEVcE.png)

nice work, Tom.
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: Phil_A on April 17, 2019, 10:13:57 PM
"Arthur's Theme", as performed by Christopher Cross for the soundtrack of the eponymous Dudley Moore comedy smash, was co-written by Burt Bacharach. Whaaaat
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: The Culture Bunker on April 17, 2019, 11:21:45 PM
"Arthur's Theme", as performed by Christopher Cross for the soundtrack of the eponymous Dudley Moore comedy smash, was co-written by Burt Bacharach. Whaaaat
Co-written with Bacharach and this then-wife, to be strictly accurate. Plus someone else you might not have heard of.
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: famethrowa on April 18, 2019, 03:54:18 AM
Co-written with Bacharach and this then-wife, to be strictly accurate. Plus someone else you might not have heard of.

The Rio-going, white-trousered Peter Allen, who contributed just one line to the song, something about the moon
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: Crabwalk on April 21, 2019, 02:09:20 PM
‘Novocaine For the Soul’ by eels was co-written by Mark Goldenburg, who also co-wrote ‘Automatic’ by The Pointer Sisters.
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: a duncandisorderly on May 09, 2019, 09:56:19 PM
the dave edmunds classic, "girl's talk", was written by elvis costello & he gave it to edmunds when he was drunk, regretting this later. he didn't like what edmunds & lowe did with it & re-recorded it himself later.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7q5h3mZWC0

nowhere near as good. oaf.

& this one is even worser:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hniyMxwz__Q
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: The Culture Bunker on May 09, 2019, 11:02:18 PM
I'd known for years that Costello had written 'Girl's Talk', but never understood why he didn't dig what Rockpile did with it. Bloody awesome track, everything about it is class - I hope Nick Lowe called him a jumped-up little shite for that opinion.
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Post by: Bennett Brauer on May 10, 2019, 01:11:53 AM
Edward James Olmos is a backing singer on Side 4 of Todd Rundgren's 'Something/Anything?'.
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: buzby on May 10, 2019, 01:19:59 PM
I'd known for years that Costello had written 'Girl's Talk', but never understood why he didn't dig what Rockpile did with it. Bloody awesome track, everything about it is class - I hope Nick Lowe called him a jumped-up little shite for that opinion.
I remember reading somehwere that Costello's ire at Edmunds' version was probably down to him changing the lyrics, adding an extra line to the second verse to make it scan the same as the others. Costello's versions use his original lyrics and miss that line out.

On a tangential note, Edmunds had another cover of an unreleased song on the B-side of the Girl Talk single, 'Bad Is Bad', written by Huey Lewis and other members of Clover, who split before they got to record it. They had moved to the UK in 1976, were part of the same scene as Edmunds and Costello, and some of the bandmembers played as Costello's backing band for the My Aim Is True sessions. Thin Lizzy had also covered the song in 1977-78 but had not released it (Lewis had played harmonica on a number of their songs in that period and was a good friend of Phil Lynott, and Clover had been a support act for Thin Lizzy's tours when the moved to the UK).

Lewis eventually recorded it with The News for the 'Sports' album in 1983.
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: daf on May 10, 2019, 01:48:12 PM
I remember reading somehwere that Costello's ire at Edmunds' version was probably down to him changing the lyrics, adding an extra line to the second verse to make it scan the same as the others. Costello's versions use his original lyrics and miss that line out.

I mentioned this business in the Michael Jackson (https://www.cookdandbombd.co.uk/forums/index.php/topic,57951.msg3656900.html#msg3656900) thread :
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Girls Talk by Elvis Costello has a funny bit with the structure - it's actually a line short - throwing the whole lot out of whack!

I'll let Dave Edmunds take up the story :

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As I recall, I recorded the first version of Girls talk. Costello gave me a very rough cassette with just acoustic and vocal. It was twice the speed of my version...really had to work at it, and I put some Don Everly type acoustic gtr bits in it. Costello recorded his version some time later

Nick Lowe and I added the line "More or less situation..." because Costello's version was a line short, making the verse asymmetric. I pointed this out to him but he gruffly replied that "that's the way I wrote it.: He's made it quite plain that he doesn't like my version, which I find inconceivable

Costello's Wonky Line Version (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_sob_xr4C8) (from around 35s - 40s)
Dave Edmunds Fixed Version (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4TzjRFfsJs) (added line at 48s)
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Let's look at the lyrics and chords :

verse 1
There are some things you can't cover up with lipstick and powder (line ends on a 'D')
I thought I heard you mention my name, can't you talk any louder? (ends on an 'E')

pre-chorus 1
Don't come any closer, don't come any nearer
My vision of you can't get any clearer
Oh, i just want to hear girls talk

verse 2
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - *
I got a loaded imagination being fired by girls talk (line ends on an 'E')

pre-chorus 2
But I can't say the words you want to hear
I suppose you're going to have to play it by ear
Right here and now

(Verse 3 reverts to the structure of verse 1 with the lines resolving first on D and then on E)

- - - - - - - - - - - - - -
* as there's no 'set up' line here ending in D - it sounds like he goes into pre-chorus 2 a line too soon.
Edmunds changes the note at the end of the 'loaded imagination' line from 'E' to 'D'  and adds a new line after it ending with 'E' **

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** (technical note : as Edmunds changes the key, the two lines actually end in a C# and a G#)

. . . and with that, I killed the thread stone dead!
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Post by: kngen on May 10, 2019, 01:56:36 PM
Maybe not hat-fuckable, but I was a wee bit surprised to find out that Edmunds played bass on Shake Some Action by the Flamin' Groovies. Fucking power-pop Zelig, that boy.

EDIT: And I can't find any evidence of this anywhere  Maybe I dreamt it.
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Post by: SteveDave on May 10, 2019, 02:01:58 PM
This is great too

https://www.facebook.com/BBCArchive/videos/1973-nationwide-monmouthshire-sound-dave-edmunds/358255074772368/

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Post by: kngen on May 10, 2019, 02:06:36 PM
This is great too

https://www.facebook.com/BBCArchive/videos/1973-nationwide-monmouthshire-sound-dave-edmunds/358255074772368/

Oh, that's marvellous!
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Post by: Satchmo Distel on May 10, 2019, 02:35:08 PM
There is, typically, some misogyny in the Costello version of Girls Talk (I mean, in the character he is playing in the song, not necessarily felt by him personally), which Edmunds manages to avoid in his delivery.
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: daf on May 10, 2019, 02:42:30 PM
Maybe not hat-fuckable, but I was a wee bit surprised to find out that Edmunds played bass on Shake Some Action by the Flamin' Groovies.

Couldn't find confirmation for Edmunds handling the bass duties (though it's more than likely he did something - as he produced the track), but did find out that there's a couple of versions out there :

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In 2002, Norton Records issued Slow Death, a collection of Flamin' Groovies demos and odd tracks cut between 1971 and 1973 shortly after Roy Loney had left the band and when Chris Wilson (co-writer with Cryil Jordan of "Shake Some Action") had joined. The Groovies were in an oft-documented transitional stage in the early 1970s, between Loney-era roots rock and Jordan-envisioned 60s Brit pop. Idling and hustling for label support, they cut some tracks including, at Rockfield Studios in Wales in 1972 with Dave Edmunds producing, the album version of "Shake Some Action" and the classic "Slow Death," the latter of which was swiftly re-mixed and issued as a single a year later.

In Hollywood in the summer of 1973 the band recorded another version of "Shake Some Action," a demo that shadily wound its way among bootlegs and labels and licenses and ended up in my hands in the mid-80s. Over time, I've come to treasure this version, now neck-and-neck to my taste with the version recorded with Edmunds and released on the 1976 album of the same name.
http://www.nosuchthingaswas.com/2014/11/shake-some-action-vs-shake-some-action.html

recorded in 1972 / 1976 LP version (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIcmk8WA10A)
re-recorded 1973 demo / 1974 Capitol single version (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHBR5G8ttoc)
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Post by: famethrowa on May 10, 2019, 02:58:29 PM
There is, typically, some misogyny in the Costello version of Girls Talk (I mean, in the character he is playing in the song, not necessarily felt by him personally), which Edmunds manages to avoid in his delivery.

I thought of that too, it's kind of a bitchy song and having it sung by a sarcastic little oik might turn it nasty. Whereas having it sung by a genial teddy bear like Dave means it's just good bantz.
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Post by: kngen on May 10, 2019, 04:35:49 PM
Couldn't find confirmation for Edmunds handling the bass duties (though it's more than likely he did something - as he produced the track), but did find out that there's a couple of versions out there :
http://www.nosuchthingaswas.com/2014/11/shake-some-action-vs-shake-some-action.html

recorded in 1972 / 1976 LP version (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIcmk8WA10A)
re-recorded 1973 demo / 1974 Capitol single version (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHBR5G8ttoc)

Ah, that's great (the early version). You really can draw a throughline back to their California roots with that one. (Or I guess, you can see how Edmunds ditched their paisley pattern affectations in favour of a bit of pub-rock oomph in his production)
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Post by: The Culture Bunker on May 10, 2019, 06:26:59 PM
On a tangential note, Edmunds had another cover of an unreleased song on the B-side of the Girl Talk single, 'Bad Is Bad', written by Huey Lewis and other members of Clover, who split before they got to record it. They had moved to the UK in 1976, were part of the same scene as Edmunds and Costello, and some of the bandmembers played as Costello's backing band for the My Aim Is True sessions. Thin Lizzy had also covered the song in 1977-78 but had not released it (Lewis had played harmonica on a number of their songs in that period and was a good friend of Phil Lynott, and Clover had been a support act for Thin Lizzy's tours when the moved to the UK).
I think Lewis played harmonica on Edmunds' version of 'Bad is Bad' - I remember this as a past girlfriend had a copy of the parent album, which also features the Graham Parker tune 'Crawling From the Wreckage', to mention another stalwart of the pub rock scene.
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Post by: buzby on May 10, 2019, 09:18:23 PM
I think Lewis played harmonica on Edmunds' version of 'Bad is Bad' - I remember this as a past girlfriend had a copy of the parent album, which also features the Graham Parker tune 'Crawling From the Wreckage', to mention another stalwart of the pub rock scene.
Yes he did, credited as 'Hughie' Lewis. He also played harmonica on Born Fighter from Nick Lowe's contemporaneous Labour Of Lust album.

Oddly, on Edmunds' single and album the song was credited solely to Lewis, but on Sports it was credited as co-written by all the members of Clover.
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Post by: a duncandisorderly on May 10, 2019, 09:18:46 PM
This is great too

https://www.facebook.com/BBCArchive/videos/1973-nationwide-monmouthshire-sound-dave-edmunds/358255074772368/

oh, man- I was looking everywhere for that (i,e, yt, dailymotion, vimeo) for the tap thread. he's just so tufnel in that clip.
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Post by: The Culture Bunker on May 10, 2019, 09:30:34 PM
Oddly, on Edmunds' single and album the song was credited solely to Lewis, but on Sports it was credited as co-written by all the members of Clover.
Lucky for the lads it wasn't the other way round, in terms of the royalty cheques.
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Post by: Jockice on May 12, 2019, 09:10:32 AM
I think Lewis played harmonica on Edmunds' version of 'Bad is Bad' - I remember this as a past girlfriend had a copy of the parent album, which also features the Graham Parker tune 'Crawling From the Wreckage', to mention another stalwart of the pub rock scene.

I had the single version of that but didn't know until today it was a Graham Parker song. Around the same time I had a Parker single called Stupefaction, which I was convinced until recently had been a massive hit. But it wasn't.

(I was a bit too young for pub rock and probably for punk too - I turned 14 a few months before the end of the 70s, which. was when I finally convinced my folks to buy me a record player so I bought quite a few singles that probably weren't 'cool' but I liked anyway.)
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Post by: a duncandisorderly on May 12, 2019, 10:37:35 PM
as mentioned elsewhere, alexis korner & cozy powell on hot chocolate's 'brother louie'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTELjv4_7f0
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Post by: a duncandisorderly on May 27, 2019, 10:53:56 PM
this nonsense was co-written by dieter dirks, cosmic joker & engineer of the seminal tangerine dream album, 'zeit'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RABXTkH5vCE
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Post by: DrGreggles on May 29, 2019, 07:22:32 PM
The guy from my gym who looks like Malcolm Treece (former guitarist with The Wonder Stuff), IS actually Malcolm Treece (former guitarist with The Wonder Stuff).

He has also rejoined The Wonder Stuff.
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Post by: a duncandisorderly on May 29, 2019, 08:26:06 PM
The guy from my gym who looks like Malcolm Treece (former guitarist with The Wonder Stuff), IS actually Malcolm Treece (former guitarist with The Wonder Stuff).

He has also rejoined The Wonder Stuff.

really? because last I heard, he was very much part of eat mk3, with pete & tim & ange & jem. but that project has gone a bit quiet of late...
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Post by: kidsick5000 on May 29, 2019, 09:03:08 PM
The guy from my gym who looks like Malcolm Treece (former guitarist with The Wonder Stuff), IS actually Malcolm Treece (former guitarist with The Wonder Stuff).

He has also rejoined The Wonder Stuff.

Middle-aged question. Are you going through that thing of realising the bands you followed, idolised (possbly) in the early 90s, are "suddenly" only a couple of years older than you
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Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 15, 2019, 03:15:54 PM
Pet Shop Boys done a film.

Guess what I'm going to watch tonight?
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Post by: MidnightShambler on June 15, 2019, 03:25:25 PM
Middle-aged question. Are you going through that thing of realising the bands you followed, idolised (possbly) in the early 90s, are "suddenly" only a couple of years older than you

I'm 38 in a few months and I'm starting to see that everywhere. I think it's because when you're 15, 21 year olds seem like proper grown ups. I caught a bit of that Sara Cox show last Saturday (not that I idolise her but you know what I mean) and I thought, I wonder how old she is? Turns out she's only 6 years older than me. That doesn't compute, she's been an adult ever since I've been aware of her, she should be at least 15 years older than me. Fucks sake.
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Post by: Satchmo Distel on June 15, 2019, 07:57:47 PM
The intro and bass rhythm of "I'll Take You There" by the Staple Sisters are copied from "The Liquidator" by the Harry J All Stars

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qsl4A9hZEto

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTn01jjEFfY

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Post by: lazarou on August 12, 2019, 12:01:22 PM
Matt Gray who wrote the soundtrack to the c64 game Last Ninja 2 was a founding member of Xenomania.
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Post by: bollocks on August 12, 2019, 07:49:42 PM
had scorsese been able to make the last temptation of christ in 1983 as originally planned, ray davies was first in line to play judas
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Post by: The Culture Bunker on August 12, 2019, 08:04:10 PM
had scorsese been able to make the last temptation of christ in 1983 as originally planned, ray davies was first in line to play judas
Struggling to think how he nearly got that gig, unless Marty was impressed with his turn in the 'Come Dancing' video that got a lot of MTV play around that time.
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Post by: sevendaughters on August 12, 2019, 08:10:12 PM
i did not know that the guy who wrote Wild Thing is Jon Voigt's brother
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Post by: Lordofthefiles on August 12, 2019, 08:14:03 PM
Struggling to think how he nearly got that gig, unless Marty was impressed with his turn in the 'Come Dancing' video that got a lot of MTV play around that time.

He might've seen this episode of Play for Today:

The Long Distance Piano Player.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL2682C51D44026A3E



*I had to change my VPN to Holland to watch it mind.
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Post by: bollocks on August 12, 2019, 08:16:17 PM
or this absolute gem: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8laVs0aMWw
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Post by: famethrowa on August 13, 2019, 12:15:24 AM
Jon Voigt

The actor?
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Post by: sevendaughters on August 13, 2019, 08:47:37 PM
The actor?

yep https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chip_Taylor
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Post by: holyzombiejesus on August 13, 2019, 10:01:02 PM
I saw him do a gig with Belle & Sebastian and Evie Sands. Everyone was pissed off because they just wanted to hear Evie do some girlgroup stuff backed by B&S but Chip took over and subjected us all to a load of hoary old ballads.
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Post by: famethrowa on August 14, 2019, 12:06:01 AM
yep https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chip_Taylor

ah sorry I was trying to do a Seinfeld reference

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/06/79/b1/0679b1f39f955963ae10a4c4c07e2a61.jpg)
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Post by: OnlyRegisteredSoICanRead on August 22, 2019, 10:42:07 AM
Middle-aged question. Are you going through that thing of realising the bands you followed, idolised (possbly) in the early 90s, are "suddenly" only a couple of years older than you

Or that moment you find out you're older than some of the people from bands from the late 90s you quite liked.
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Post by: MiddleRabbit on August 23, 2019, 12:32:29 PM
i did not know that the guy who wrote Wild Thing is Jon Voigt's brother

I don't know why I put Chip Taylor and this chap together, but Jake Holmes, who wrote Dazed & Confused before Jimmy Page decided he'd written it, also wrote 'Gilette, the best a man can get'.
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Post by: Satchmo Distel on August 24, 2019, 12:25:44 AM
'Return of Django' by The Upsetters was originally the backing track of a Fats Domino cover by Neville Grant:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dv52VHHQDco
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Post by: icehaven on August 25, 2019, 05:37:25 PM
Middle-aged question. Are you going through that thing of realising the bands you followed, idolised (possbly) in the early 90s, are "suddenly" only a couple of years older than you

I'm 40 and have absolutely noticed that in the last couple of years! Not a musical thing but an ex Home and Away actor died last week, apparently aged 41. I remember him as being an adult on the show, and I didn't think I'd watched it since I was about 20 so I'd have thought he was way more than 1 year older than me.
I think it's something to do with a subconscious (but still ridiculous) notion I had in my twenties and thirties that anyone who had had much success in tough fields like showbiz, music, writing etc. must be older than me and couldn't possibly be younger. Once you get past about 35 though you can't kid yourself anymore,
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Post by: DrGreggles on August 25, 2019, 05:48:51 PM
A lass I knew from 6th form connected with me on online recently.
I was most surprised when she celebrated her '39th' birthday last week, as we were both the same age when we did A Level maths and I'm now 44.
This must be why I passed and she didn't...

Fuck all to do with music though.
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Post by: Jockice on August 25, 2019, 06:18:33 PM
A lass I knew from 6th form connected with me on online recently.
I was most surprised when she celebrated her '39th' birthday last week, as we were both the same age when we did A Level maths and I'm now 44.
This must be why I passed and she didn't...

Fuck all to do with music though.

A mate of mine went out with a certain TV presenter when they were teenagers. I know this is true because he's shown me pictures of them together. He said she was younger than him but not by much. They split up when he went away to university but not before she had given him a certain sexual experience for the first time. Totally legally he claims. Nowadays however she's almost five years younger than him.

Strange that. Nothing to do with music either though.
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Post by: MiddleRabbit on August 25, 2019, 08:01:21 PM
^^

It does have something to do with music: Bob Dylan wrote a song about it.
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Post by: studpuppet on August 30, 2019, 10:40:43 PM
Dolly Parton wrote Jolene and I Will Always Love You on the SAME EVENING.
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Post by: Sebastian Cobb on August 30, 2019, 11:08:08 PM
I'm 40 and have absolutely noticed that in the last couple of years! Not a musical thing but an ex Home and Away actor died last week, apparently aged 41. I remember him as being an adult on the show, and I didn't think I'd watched it since I was about 20 so I'd have thought he was way more than 1 year older than me.

Yeah I get that with soap characters and film characters. It's not just people a few years older either though, the surprise widens relative to their age and me I reckon. I was watching a new film with Penélope Cruz in it the other day I my wandered a bit and I thought 'she must be in her mid 50's now' turns out I was over a decade out and she's only 13 years older than me.

I could say the same about people like Jamie Theakston/Kirsten O'Brien, but you see less of them these days.
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Post by: a duncandisorderly on August 30, 2019, 11:24:52 PM
^^

It does have something to do with music: Bob Dylan wrote a song about it.

he calls it "my back hurts" these days though.
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Post by: Sebastian Cobb on August 30, 2019, 11:27:40 PM
Dolly Parton wrote Jolene and I Will Always Love You on the SAME EVENING.

Imagine writing something as good as Jolene and not taking the rest of the night off.
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Post by: Jockice on August 31, 2019, 06:20:14 AM
^^

It does have something to do with music: Bob Dylan wrote a song about it.

Julia Bradbury Gave My Pal Tim A Blow Job isn't one of his best-known numbers though.
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Post by: MiddleRabbit on August 31, 2019, 11:36:22 AM
Julia Bradbury Gave My Pal Tim A Blow Job isn't one of his best-known numbers though.

Forthcoming 'Bootleg Series' - vol. 69.
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Post by: Sebastian Cobb on August 31, 2019, 11:56:17 AM
Sounds like a lost George Formby track.
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Post by: Crabwalk on September 02, 2019, 11:32:56 PM
For a while, Gorillaz’s live rhythm section was made up of the ex-drummer and ex-bassist from Senseless Things.

Apparently Jamie Hewlett was a big fan of the early-90s grebo also-rans (as was I) and did the artwork for their early releases.
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Post by: DrGreggles on September 03, 2019, 12:11:21 AM
For a while, Gorillaz’s live rhythm section was made up of the ex-drummer and ex-bassist from Senseless Things.

Apparently Jamie Hewlett was a big fan of the early-90s grebo also-rans (as was I) and did the artwork for their early releases.

Definitely in line with the thread's brief.

I'm a big fan of their 'Postcard CV' album, which I've just realised must be 30 years old now...
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Post by: momatt on September 03, 2019, 07:52:51 AM
Dolly Parton wrote Jolene and I Will Always Love You on the SAME EVENING.

That's amazing!
Got a reference?
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Post by: Glyn on September 03, 2019, 08:32:35 AM
Dolly Parton wrote Jolene and I Will Always Love You on the SAME EVENING.
On a similar but, less commercially successful, theme. Thom Yorke apparently wrote Creep and Motion Picture Soundtrack on the same day but released them 8 years apart
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Post by: buzby on September 03, 2019, 09:07:04 AM
That's amazing!
Got a reference?
It's not quite that clear cut - she said  she wrote them at the same time in 1972 and that 'It was a good writing day'  in an interview (https://www.out.com/music/2019/3/19/dolly-parton-wrote-jolene-and-i-will-always-love-you-one-day), but it's not clear if she meant it literally.
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Post by: rue the polywhirl on September 03, 2019, 09:27:50 AM
Dolly Parton wrote Jolene and I Will Always Love You on the SAME EVENING.

I watched the same Sky Arts Song by Song programme. She says she was in her ‘godspace’ when she laid the songs down so God should really be getting the full writing credit for those songs.
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Post by: Better Midlands on September 03, 2019, 09:44:01 AM
God should really be getting the full writing credit for those songs.

He needs to sort his publishing out, I heard he never got a cent from The Bible either.
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Post by: Satchmo Distel on September 03, 2019, 12:20:03 PM
The album 'Cloak and Dagger' by Lee Perry has a reworking of 'The Liquidator' which is even closer to the Staples Sisters arrangement of 'I'll Take You There' than the arrangement that the Staples Sisters purchased from Harry J:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwbb2iPbMXA

In other words:

The Liquidator inspires I'll Take You There which is then reworked again by Perry using the original organ player, Winston Wright.
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Post by: momatt on September 03, 2019, 01:11:12 PM
It's not quite that clear cut - she said  she wrote them at the same time in 1972 and that 'It was a good writing day'  in an interview (https://www.out.com/music/2019/3/19/dolly-parton-wrote-jolene-and-i-will-always-love-you-one-day), but it's not clear if she meant it literally.

That's good enough, cheers!
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Post by: DJ Bob Hoskins on September 03, 2019, 06:35:00 PM
The famous photo of Kurt Cobain's lifeless body laying in the outbuilding where died was taken from Peter Buck's back garden.

Excerpt from Mojo magazine:

(https://i.postimg.cc/9f2J7JcZ/Mojo.jpg)


I knew Cobain was friends with the members of R.E.M. and that Buck lived in Seattle at the time, but fuck my hat. I didn't know they were literally neighbours and had never heard about this grim bit of trivia.
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Post by: Phil_A on September 03, 2019, 11:59:36 PM
"One More Kiss, Dear", the incredibly authentic thirties ballad pastiche on the Blade Runner soundtrack, was co-written by Vangelis and Peter Skellern??
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Post by: George White on September 04, 2019, 10:02:48 AM
And Demis Roussos, doing a favour for his old Aphrodite's Child bandmate Vangelis, sang on the track Tales of the Future https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFktISM-Fhs 
 Mary Hopkin contributed to the soundtrack. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaxEbG8WCkU

70s middle-of-the-road pop stars galore..


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Post by: Cuellar on September 04, 2019, 10:08:31 AM
The famous photo of Kurt Cobain's lifeless body laying in the outbuilding where died was taken from Peter Buck's back garden.

Excerpt from Mojo magazine:


I knew Cobain was friends with the members of R.E.M. and that Buck lived in Seattle at the time, but fuck my hat. I didn't know they were literally neighbours and had never heard about this grim bit of trivia.

'Someone' climbed up and took the photo yeah? Bet they did Peter.
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Post by: a duncandisorderly on September 04, 2019, 01:56:10 PM
"One More Kiss, Dear", the incredibly authentic thirties ballad pastiche on the Blade Runner soundtrack, was co-written by Vangelis and Peter Skellern??

that's nothing. this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-ChAhWezsg

& this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6DOGITIfAY

same lyricist, mr pete sinfield.
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Post by: Tapiocahead on September 04, 2019, 02:45:06 PM
Definitely in line with the thread's brief.

I'm a big fan of their 'Postcard CV' album, which I've just realised must be 30 years old now...

The singer of Senseless Things was Morgan Nicholls, whose dad was/is cult mod guy Billy Nicholls of London Social Degree 'fame'
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Post by: DrGreggles on September 04, 2019, 02:48:48 PM
The singer of Senseless Things was Morgan Nicholls, whose dad was/is cult mod guy Billy Nicholls of London Social Degree 'fame'

I think Morgan played bass. Mark Keds was the singer.
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Post by: Tapiocahead on September 04, 2019, 02:54:02 PM
Dammit
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Post by: DrGreggles on September 04, 2019, 02:56:30 PM
You're supposed to say "F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!"
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Post by: MiddleRabbit on September 04, 2019, 03:50:04 PM
The singer of Senseless Things was Morgan Nicholls, whose dad was/is cult mod guy Billy Nicholls of London Social Degree 'fame'

Would You Believe?  Is a great album.  Should have called it ‘Fuck My Hat...’. though
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Post by: Phil_A on September 04, 2019, 04:15:28 PM
And Demis Roussos, doing a favour for his old Aphrodite's Child bandmate Vangelis, sang on the track Tales of the Future https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFktISM-Fhs 
 Mary Hopkin contributed to the soundtrack. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaxEbG8WCkU

70s middle-of-the-road pop stars galore..

I knew about Roussos and Hopkin but Skellern came right out of the blue.

25 years being a fan of Blade Runner and that bit of trivia completely passed me by.
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Post by: thecuriousorange on September 04, 2019, 07:46:52 PM
Years before Oasis shamelessly pilfered British music of the past with cocksure swagger, The Jam did that.
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Post by: DJ Bob Hoskins on September 04, 2019, 08:43:19 PM
'Someone' climbed up and took the photo yeah? Bet they did Peter.

Heh. Now that you mention it: a few months after these events, R.E.M. released a song called Bang and Blame. Hmmm.
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Post by: smudge1971 on September 04, 2019, 09:02:13 PM
I think Morgan played bass. Mark Keds was the singer.
Google 'Mark Keds and Pete Doherty' to see the full devastation wreaked by the old smack heroin. Sad, he was a good-looking talented kid.
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Post by: famethrowa on September 05, 2019, 12:17:13 AM
Google 'Mark Keds and Pete Doherty' to see the full devastation wreaked by the old smack heroin. Sad, he was a good-looking talented kid.

more like deadcunts amirite
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Post by: Bennett Brauer on September 05, 2019, 01:34:42 AM
Google 'Mark Keds and Pete Doherty' to see the full devastation wreaked by the old smack heroin. Sad, he was a good-looking talented kid.

Google Mark Blanco and Pete Doherty to see the full devastation wreaked by [redacted].
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Post by: buzby on September 05, 2019, 01:20:30 PM
And Demis Roussos, doing a favour for his old Aphrodite's Child bandmate Vangelis, sang on the track Tales of the Future https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFktISM-Fhs 
Roussos also contributed vocals for another track for the film, though it has never been officially released:
Taffey Lewis' Night Club (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYMpKiOt8JU)
He was also suppsed to sing One More Kiss, Dear (which was commissioned to replace If I Didn't Care by The Ink Spots, which was used on the temp music track of the Workprint), but Vangelis and Scott liked the 1930s feel of Don Percival's (veteran of the London jazz scene and by 1980 also the ex-head of Philips' Music, TV and Film division) guide vocal on the demo and decided to keep it.

Percival had also played bass in Basil Kirchin's band when Blake Edwards asked them to appear in the Pink Panther film A Shot In The Dark.
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Post by: Satchmo Distel on September 12, 2019, 04:20:41 PM
Wiki claims that Walk On By by Dionne Warwick was recorded 22.11.63, the same day Kennedy was shot.
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Post by: kalowski on September 12, 2019, 09:35:46 PM
Wiki claims that Walk On By by Dionne Warwick was recorded 22.11.63, the same day Kennedy was shot.
Makes sense. I've always suspected she was involved. This is "hiding in plain sight".
"Walk on by" the grassy knoll and get your gun out...
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Post by: non capisco on September 12, 2019, 09:52:30 PM
The CIA felt he had to die on 22nd November 63 because he was considering agency cuts and dialling back on aggressive Cold War policies, as the failure of Bay Of Pigs had got on his wick.

It's incredible that they were so brazen.

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Post by: kalowski on September 12, 2019, 10:16:54 PM
The CIA felt he had to die on 22nd November 63 because he was considering agency cuts and dialling back on aggressive Cold War policies, as the failure of Bay Of Pigs had got on his wick.

It's incredible that they were so brazen.
Delightful stuff that just made me burst out laughing in the front room.
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Post by: Sebastian Cobb on September 13, 2019, 10:45:20 AM
Three Feet High and Rising isn't available to buy or stream on modern formats because of sample clearance issues. Once the physical copies are gone out won't be reissued. Mad given 'the kids' still like digging into old hiphop this will be effectively deleted from their history.

https://www.okayplayer.com/music/breakdown-de-la-soul-fight-tommy-boy-records-3-feet-high-rising.html/amp
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Post by: phantom_power on September 13, 2019, 11:41:56 AM
It seems from that article the problem isn't so much the sample clearance as the split of profit, Tommy Boy wanting 90%. The samples are still an issue but Tommy Boy have said they would deal with them as they came, which is possibly the reason for the uneven split
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Post by: Famous Mortimer on September 13, 2019, 05:39:03 PM
Didn't De La Soul put all their material out in a pay-what-you-want deal a few years ago?
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Post by: Sebastian Cobb on September 13, 2019, 06:51:40 PM
Didn't De La Soul put all their material out in a pay-what-you-want deal a few years ago?

They gave it away if you signed up to their mailing list but I think it was a very limited time window, which serves no useful purpose to future generations discovering them, which you might think is inconsequential, but hiphop appears to be one of the bigger genres younger people seem to research the history of.
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Post by: Jockice on September 13, 2019, 07:11:24 PM
Wiki claims that Walk On By by Dionne Warwick was recorded 22.11.63, the same day Kennedy was shot.

That's nothing mate. I found out this week that the first British punk single, New Rose by The Damned, was recorded on my 11th birthday!
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Post by: a duncandisorderly on September 17, 2019, 04:53:51 AM
They gave it away if you signed up to their mailing list but I think it was a very limited time window, which serves no useful purpose to future generations discovering them, which you might think is inconsequential, but hiphop appears to be one of the bigger genres younger people seem to research the history of.

I joined & downloaded it all, on the basis of having quite liked them back in the late 80s (saw them live). for a year or so after this 'window' I was getting daily emails pimping other stuff that I didn't want.
it's stopped.

if anyone really wants their entire back catalogue (as MP3), you now know of someone who's got it.
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Post by: Satchmo Distel on September 17, 2019, 11:45:42 AM
Elton John and Ringo Starr play on "Children Of The Revolution" by T Rex.
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Post by: popcorn on September 18, 2019, 02:00:38 AM
I have only just realised, via reading a quote from Mark Knopfler, that when the narrator in Money for Nothing says "that ain't working" he means "that isn't work", not "that isn't doing what it's meant to do".
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Post by: Satchmo Distel on September 19, 2019, 03:56:32 PM
Tubby Hayes recorded a track with Kenny Lynch:

https://www.amazon.com/Give-Me-Love/dp/B002OV74BG
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Post by: Nice Relaxing Poo on September 19, 2019, 04:06:51 PM
I have only just realised, via reading a quote from Mark Knopfler, that when the narrator in Money for Nothing says "that ain't working" he means "that isn't work", not "that isn't doing what it's meant to do".

This is the revelation of the thread for me. Consider my hat well and truly fucked and sodomised too.
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Post by: boki on September 19, 2019, 04:29:04 PM
Things I have learned from YouTube:

1. The song Party All The Time was an 80s pop song before inevitably getting the House act cover treatment a few years ago (an ad for a GTA game made me realise this).

2. Thanks to Todd In The Shadows doing a One Hit Wonderland episode on it, I now know that said original was sung by Eddie Murphy.  The Eddie Murphy.
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Post by: Crabwalk on September 21, 2019, 10:03:19 AM
Apparently ‘The Weeknd’ is the name of a bloke, not a band.
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Post by: Satchmo Distel on September 24, 2019, 11:45:40 PM
'Police and Thieves' by Junior Murvin was produced by Lee Perry at the Black Ark. Seems obvious now from the echo on it but I had never made the connection.
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Post by: Head Gardener on September 25, 2019, 11:18:20 AM
(https://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r165/shanequentin/vinyl/gbv_zps8dfmlagi.png)
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Post by: poodlefaker on September 25, 2019, 11:27:32 AM
Joan Jett and Nick Cave have the same birthday (last Sunday), but Nick Cave is OLDER than JJ. She was 16 when the Runaways formed.
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Post by: popcorn on September 26, 2019, 02:05:40 AM
This is the revelation of the thread for me. Consider my hat well and truly fucked and sodomised too.

Pleased to hear this fucked someone else's hat, and not just mine. I was beginning to think my hat was a dunce hat.

I told this to my parents and my dad said he'd always interpreted it the correct way but my mum was astonished.
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Post by: NJ Uncut on September 26, 2019, 07:56:14 AM
Apparently ‘The Weeknd’ is the name of a bloke, not a band.

Portugal. The Man's a band too!

Wouldn't say it was a massive surprise but I enjoy the name for the potential confusion
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Post by: icehaven on September 27, 2019, 10:23:43 AM
Apparently ‘The Weeknd’ is the name of a bloke, not a band.

You're going to have no hat left once you hear about Christine and the Queens!
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Post by: Norton Canes on September 27, 2019, 10:24:59 AM
And Matt Bianco
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Post by: The Culture Bunker on September 27, 2019, 11:59:33 AM
And Danny Wilson.
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Post by: boki on September 27, 2019, 12:30:16 PM
https://brianblessedthebandnotthebloke.bandcamp.com/

And, of course, Alice Cooper started as a band name, albeit fronted by Alice Cooper.
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Post by: Famous Mortimer on September 27, 2019, 01:08:21 PM
90s fellows Wat Tyler, too
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Post by: George White on September 27, 2019, 01:54:08 PM
Irish beat group Emmet Spiceland too
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Post by: Jockice on September 27, 2019, 07:02:31 PM
https://brianblessedthebandnotthebloke.bandcamp.com/

And, of course, Alice Cooper started as a band name, albeit fronted by Alice Cooper.

Rick Witter out of Shed Seven's granny was called Alice Cooper. Apparently. I didn't know her.

New page preposterous tales, now then now then.
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Post by: a duncandisorderly on September 28, 2019, 01:34:20 AM
I have only just realised, via reading a quote from Mark Knopfler, that when the narrator in Money for Nothing says "that ain't working" he means "that isn't work", not "that isn't doing what it's meant to do".

I always heard it the intended way, because of the note of derision in knopfler's voice, perhaps more apparent if you watch the video a few times which, as an Mtv employee, I did.
but the peculiar thing about the song, for me, is that anybody would have a job 'installing' things that basically just sit there & get plugged in (i.e. somewhat less 'installation' than a gas-cooker or a washing machine or whatever), & be complaining about the effort involved whilst invoking knopfler's guitar playing- whether or not it's part of a cushy rock'n'roll lifestyle- as somehow not-work.
"maybe get a blister on your little finger"? no. thousands of hours of practice, loads of theoretical knowledge & a permanent channel open to some high-level muse, whose utterings you have to turn into platinum selling discs. no, that's work. what knopfler does is hard.

erm... so what the fuck was he on about when he wrote the song? irony? had he heard some roadie bitching, & this was his response? buzby'll be along in a minute with the answer.
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Post by: thecuriousorange on September 28, 2019, 06:59:18 AM
Marilyn Manson was originally a band, fronted by Marilyn Manson.
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Post by: jenna appleseed on October 04, 2019, 02:22:10 AM
There was a real Mean Mr. Mustard.
The Beatles - Mean Mr. Mustard (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ts8L-6ghQuA) youtube
(https://i.imgur.com/VaKXIqB.jpg)
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Post by: jenna appleseed on October 04, 2019, 02:23:04 AM
Marilyn Manson was originally a band, fronted by Marilyn Manson.

Wait til you find out about Alice Cooper.
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Post by: Satchmo Distel on October 10, 2019, 12:47:23 PM
Kenny Lynch and Tubby Hayes filmed this scene together:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AS5Kdy0XxQ
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Post by: Satchmo Distel on October 15, 2019, 12:22:24 AM
Wailers rape allegations:

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Rita's is the voice we'd like to hear more of. In one incredibly painful story, Wailers singer Beverley Kelso describes witnessing Tosh raping the future Rita Marley. Kelso didn't tell the story to anyone until she spoke with Steffens in 2003. (In her own memoir, Rita Marley would write that Bob Marley also forced himself on her.)

https://www.thecurrent.org/feature/2018/11/06/bob-marley-so-much-things-to-say
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Post by: jenna appleseed on October 15, 2019, 09:08:24 PM
The dog that said SAUSAGES got its own song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQEaFrHZEVM&t=147s
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Post by: buzby on October 15, 2019, 09:42:18 PM
erm... so what the fuck was he on about when he wrote the song? irony? had he heard some roadie bitching, & this was his response? buzby'll be along in a minute with the answer.
It was based on actual comments from a delivery man Knopfler overheard in a New York electrical store. There was a bank of TVs tuned to MTV at the back of the store, and the delivery man was stood watching making disparaging comments about the bands in the videos. Knopfler asked the person at the till for a pen and paper so he could write them down, and wrote the song around them. He even based his guitar tone on Billy Gibbons, as ZZ Top were MTV staples at the time.
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Post by: Artie Fufkin on October 18, 2019, 03:37:50 PM
Tell me why.
I don't like Mondays.

NOT

Tell me why I don't like Mondays.
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Post by: phantom_power on October 25, 2019, 09:20:09 AM
Chaka Khan was in the Black Panthers
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Post by: stranger on November 07, 2019, 03:55:42 PM
Alison "Where Love Lives" Limerick sang on the Blackadder the Third closing theme song
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Post by: pupshaw on November 08, 2019, 09:03:40 AM
The Bee Gees were formed in 1958
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Post by: thecuriousorange on November 08, 2019, 12:34:53 PM
You're thinking of Les Tossers.
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Post by: Satchmo Distel on November 08, 2019, 12:54:04 PM
Three brothers can form a band in their living room without it really being a band that does gigs and tries to get recording contracts
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Post by: pupshaw on November 09, 2019, 08:33:55 AM
Three brothers can form a band in their living room without it really being a band that does gigs and tries to get recording contracts

Out of the living room...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQrvo50eTrg
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Post by: a duncandisorderly on November 09, 2019, 10:28:29 AM
the small child speaking at the end of 'america' by the nice is PP Arnold's young 'un, aged three.

still on the nice, the suggestion for them to adapt sibelius' 'karelia suite' came from roy harper.

& I thought I knew a bit about this band. hat & a half fucked there.
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Post by: pupshaw on November 09, 2019, 11:13:34 AM
the small child speaking at the end of 'america' by the nice is PP Arnold's young 'un, aged three.

still on the nice, the suggestion for them to adapt sibelius' 'karelia suite' came from roy harper.

& I thought I knew a bit about this band. hat & a half fucked there.

Possibly same sprog here https://youtu.be/ZJcqE-xiy_s?t=129 in "Daddy Where Did I Come From"

Not quite deep into hat violation there though
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Post by: DrGreggles on November 09, 2019, 11:34:18 AM
30 years ago today about 2000 Berliners were first informed that the wall had come down by Mike Patton during a FNM gig.
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Post by: NJ Uncut on November 09, 2019, 11:54:45 AM
Nick Miniski is Edgar Summertyme's nephew!
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Post by: Twed on November 14, 2019, 07:15:18 PM
The harmonics at the beginning of Birdland are bass, not guitar (as demonstrated by this child)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WW3fcR_QUiI
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Post by: momatt on November 15, 2019, 07:47:53 AM
The harmonics at the beginning of Birdland are bass, not guitar (as demonstrated by this child)

I don't know loads about bass playing, but I know Weather Report's Jaco Pastorius is a genius and pioneered that sort of thing.
Check out his first solo album if you like that stuff, it's amazing!  Especially Portrait of Tracy, loads of lovely bass harmonics.
https://open.spotify.com/album/47nWcb5GzhgGNzJuCJgiPN
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on November 15, 2019, 09:23:51 AM
Elton John and Ringo Starr play on "Children Of The Revolution" by T Rex.

They certainly played on the version featured in the Born to Boogie film, but I don't think they were involved with the recording Bolan released as a single. There's no piano on it, for a start.
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Post by: buzby on November 15, 2019, 10:21:23 AM
They certainly played on the version featured in the Born to Boogie film, but I don't think they were involved with the recording Bolan released as a single. There's no piano on it, for a start.
Yes, the single version of Children Of The Revolution was recorded during the sessions for the Tanx album at AIR Studios in August 1972 with the T.Rex's regular drummer Bill Legend, and as you say no piano. It was released in September.

The version from Born To Boogie featuring Elton and Ringo was recorded at Ascot Sound Studios (the studio in Lennon's Tittenhurst mansion) on the 21st of March 1972 (a couple of days after the Wembley concert) for the film soundtrack (the film was not released until December 1972, so a few months after the single). The Ascot Studios version was unreleased until the 2005 2-CD expanded editon of the soundtrack album (it was not included on the original release in 1991, presumably due to rights issues)

There was also a 12-minute jam version recorded at Rosenberg Studios in Copenhagen at the end of March 1972 during the sessions for The Slider that was eventually released as a bonus track on the Bump & Grind collection of demos and works in progress in 2000.

Elton had also previously appeared with T.Rex on the 1971 Christmas TOTP, miming to Blue Weaver and Rick Wakeman's piano parts on Get It On.
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Post by: SteveDave on November 15, 2019, 01:31:10 PM
Elton had also previously appeared with T.Rex on the 1971 Christmas TOTP, miming to Blue Weaver and Rick Wakeman's piano parts on Get It On.

This is my favourite TOTP clip because of the two old boys in denim who appear in the background for one shot grooving like nobody's business.
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Post by: thecuriousorange on November 15, 2019, 02:25:29 PM
I used to think that Pete Townsend's daughter wrote Adrian Mole.
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Post by: Better Midlands on November 15, 2019, 02:40:40 PM
I used to think that Pete Townsend's daughter wrote Adrian Mole.

Easily confused, she was just researching Norwegian leather exports for a future book.
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Post by: the on December 06, 2019, 10:36:16 AM
Quote from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Injected_with_a_Poison#Music
The vocals "Injected with a Poison" where sampled from televangelist Robert Schambach.[4]

I've spent the last 25+ years thinking that the voice on Injected With A Poison was Patrick Allen :)
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Post by: phantom_power on December 06, 2019, 11:48:35 AM
Silver by The Pixies was originally a Breeders song, at least according to the demos that I am currently listening to
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Post by: Lordofthefiles on December 07, 2019, 08:34:10 AM
Shane MacGowan is still alive.
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Post by: All Surrogate on December 07, 2019, 02:39:16 PM
I've spent the last 25+ years thinking that the voice on Injected With A Poison was Patrick Allen :)

I've not heard Injected with a Poison (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_-wsVJnWPE) before; now I know that Cockwolves by Kids On TV (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9suuKX7qkI) was ripping it off.
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Post by: jobotic on December 07, 2019, 02:49:35 PM
This is my favourite TOTP clip because of the two old boys in denim who appear in the background for one shot grooving like nobody's business.

The chaps at 1:54?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-v9kw-rCmWg
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Post by: jamiefairlie on December 07, 2019, 06:31:07 PM
Probably only mid 20s given how prematurely middle aged everyone looked in the 70s
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Post by: icehaven on December 18, 2019, 01:31:20 PM
The US has a totally separate version of the Now! compilation series that's way behind the UK one (theirs started in 1998 and they're only up to 60, whereas ours started in 1983 and we're up to 104).
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Post by: Dewt on December 18, 2019, 09:02:33 PM
Kirsty MacColl's dad wrote Dirty Old Town.
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Post by: Pseudopath on December 18, 2019, 10:00:16 PM
Kirsty MacColl's dad wrote Dirty Old Town.

As well as The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face
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Post by: The Culture Bunker on December 18, 2019, 10:40:38 PM
Kirsty MacColl's dad wrote Dirty Old Town.
A lot of people I've known seem very surprised to know it's not an Irish song and was written about Salford, but the Pogues did do the famous version.
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Post by: Jockice on December 19, 2019, 05:14:59 AM
I can't think of a new one so I'll just repeat my favourite strange pop fact. Which is that unbearable 70s child star/later sad psychological case Lena Zavaroni was signed to Stax Records in America.
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Post by: George White on December 19, 2019, 08:46:02 AM
A lot of people I've known seem very surprised to know it's not an Irish song and was written about Salford, but the Pogues did do the famous version.
The Dubliners before that.
A similar case is Whiskey on a Sunday, also covered by the Dubliners, but the most famous version in Ireland being by Danny Doyle, which is actually about a real-life figure, Seth Davey of Liverpool, but the Irish versions change the setting to Dublin via changing Bevington Bush to Beggar's Bush.
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Post by: George White on December 19, 2019, 08:46:41 AM
I can't think of a new one so I'll just repeat my favourite strange pop fact. Which is that unbearable 70s child star/later sad psychological case Lena Zavaroni was signed to Stax Records in America.
Similarly, Albert Finney released an album on Motown. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuwXH_1CaRU
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Post by: studpuppet on December 19, 2019, 01:17:46 PM
Similarly, Albert Finney released an album on Motown. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuwXH_1CaRU

Motown, who of course nearly signed The Fall (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hex_Enduction_Hour#Reception).

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Post by: The Culture Bunker on December 19, 2019, 02:24:00 PM
Similarly, Albert Finney released an album on Motown. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuwXH_1CaRU
Jack Soo, who played Nick Yemana in 'Barney Miller', was also briefly signed to Motown, though I'm not sure they released anything.
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Post by: studpuppet on December 28, 2019, 08:43:16 PM
Discovered that BA Cunterson's lyric is 'Bang Bang, the mighty fall' rather than 'Bang Bang, the mightiful' like I thought, and is the reason that John Peel always called The Fall 'The Mighty Fall'.
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Post by: xxxx xxx x xxx on December 28, 2019, 09:11:07 PM
Discovered that BA Cunterson's lyric is 'Bang Bang, the mighty fall' rather than 'Bang Bang, the mightiful' like I thought, and is the reason that John Peel always called The Fall 'The Mighty Fall'.

MES quotes the song in the intro to 'Fiery Jack' on the 'Totale's Turns' live album

Bang Fuckin' Bang, The Mighty Fall (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYUIR8Qb568)
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Post by: Jockice on January 06, 2020, 02:06:49 PM
Gerard Kenny, of New York New York (So Good They Named It Twice And Which Is Infinitely Better Than The Sinatra Song Of The Same Title) fame also wrote the Minder theme tune.
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Post by: Rizla on January 06, 2020, 02:14:54 PM
Gerard Kenny, of New York New York (So Good They Named It Twice And Which Is Infinitely Better Than The Sinatra Song Of The Same Title) fame also wrote the Minder theme tune.

He also wrote the opening theme for the 1986 Commonwealth Games - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luzO1mL6x7o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luzO1mL6x7o)
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Post by: buzby on January 06, 2020, 02:32:43 PM
Gerard Kenny, of New York New York (So Good They Named It Twice And Which Is Infinitely Better Than The Sinatra Song Of The Same Title) fame also co-wrote the Minder theme tune.
FTFY
It was co-written by Kenny and Patricia Waterman (nee Maynard), Dennis Waterman's then-wife (who was also an actress, and kept her maiden name as her stage name). The song was credited on the show's end titles and the single's label as 'Waterman-Kenny', leading many people to think Dennis had a hand in writing it. This obviously renders an entire series of Little Britain sketches redundant.
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Post by: Jockice on January 06, 2020, 10:41:48 PM
Thanks Buzby. I can always rely on you to know more than me.
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Post by: Glebe on January 08, 2020, 12:50:11 AM
Mentioned it before in other thread but Ph.D. keyboardist Tony Hymas wrote the Mr. Men theme (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xv0b0m2rqyc).

Trawling through the thread, a post about David Niven attending an early Can show truly f***ed my hat (I'm not au fait with Can's music tbh, but I'm aware of them and the idea of Niven being in attendance is akin to Richard Burton going to a Sonic Youth gig or summit)... anyway it brought to mind Alice Cooper's friendship with Groucho, apparently Grouch used to bring old showbiz pals to Cooper's shows to freak them out and that... I think he felt a connection because he related Cooper's theatricality to old vaudeville.
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Post by: Norton Canes on January 29, 2020, 03:23:55 PM
Katie Stelmanis' middle name is Austra.
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Post by: Satchmo Distel on January 30, 2020, 01:50:12 AM
The Drifters' "Up On The Roof" has never charted in the UK but Kenny Lynch had a Top 10 hit with it and Robson & Jerome took it to No. 1. From the "record buyers are cunts" file.
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Post by: kidsick5000 on January 30, 2020, 02:22:41 AM
Kirsty MacColl's dad wrote Dirty Old Town.

That has done terrible things to my hat.
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Post by: kngen on January 30, 2020, 04:29:58 AM
Joan Jett and Nick Cave have the same birthday (last Sunday), but Nick Cave is OLDER than JJ. She was 16 when the Runaways formed.

Also my birthday. An attractive young lady ID'd me at a gig at the semi-famous Middle East in Cambridge, Massachusetts - and said 'Oh wow, you have the same birthday as me!' And I said, 'Then you have the same birthday as Joan Jett and Nick Cave,' which she was extremely chuffed about - not chuffed enough to sleep with me. But then I don't look like either of them. However, I'd like to think I'm slightly more attractive than Fat Ronaldo the Brazilian Fascist Sympathiser, who also shares the same birthday. But I doubt she'd heard of him - and it's not really a great pick-up line, either.
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Post by: Johnboy on January 30, 2020, 02:31:11 PM
My copies of Tommy and Music In the Key of Life which have side 1 and 4 on one record and side 2 and 3 on the second record aren't mispressings - they are designed for that automatic record falling onto deck one after the other thingy what you used to get in the old days. Imagine that - sitting still for 43 minutes.
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Post by: gilbertharding on January 30, 2020, 03:50:23 PM
My copies of Tommy and Music In the Key of Life which have side 1 and 4 on one record and side 2 and 3 on the second record aren't mispressings - they are designed for that automatic record falling onto deck one after the other thingy what you used to get in the old days. Imagine that - sitting still for 43 minutes.

I think... I think, that was quite a common thing in those days.
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Post by: phantom_power on January 30, 2020, 04:24:11 PM
Yeah, my SITKOL and The Secret Life of Plants both have that side 1&4, 2&3 thing.
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Post by: lebowskibukowski on January 31, 2020, 04:22:10 PM
The Carpenters "It's Only Just Begun" was co-written by Little Enos Burdette from Smokey & The Bandit.
Although it seems every fucker from those films was some sort of Country & Western style singer so my hat may only be half-fucked.
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Post by: gilbertharding on January 31, 2020, 05:18:35 PM
Yeah, my SITKOL and The Secret Life of Plants both have that side 1&4, 2&3 thing.

I was going to say something about not really knowing for certain what order the sides of the White Album or Electric Ladyland were supposed to be played until I bought them on CD (though the White Album does have quite a clear tracklisting, to be fair...).

Mind you, until recently I was similarly 'confused' about which side of Abbey Road was supposed to be played first. Starts with Come Together, right? And, of course - 'The End' is at the end, which would be a clue for most people...
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Post by: Pseudopath on January 31, 2020, 05:29:58 PM
Mind you, until recently I was similarly 'confused' about which side of Abbey Road was supposed to be played first. Starts with Come Together, right? And, of course - 'The End' is at the end, which would be a clue for most people...

**QI Klaxon**

"Her Majesty" is the final track on Abbey Road. Although fuck knows why.
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Post by: gilbertharding on January 31, 2020, 05:31:15 PM
Well, obviously. But that wouldn't be as much of a clue about which was the b side.

Thanks anyway ;)

Oh - and the answer to 'why' would seem to be because Paul 'Macca' McCartney, for all his many good points, seems unable to resist undercutting anything he does with an annoying jocularity.
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Post by: pupshaw on January 31, 2020, 06:45:58 PM
Kate Bush was backed on her first two albums by an ex-member of the Bay City Rollers

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Paton
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Post by: Satchmo Distel on February 01, 2020, 11:10:06 AM
'Her Majesty' is not listed though. Technically it's a hidden track:

https://ultimateclassicrock.com/beatles-original-abbey-road-medley/
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Post by: Better Midlands on February 01, 2020, 11:18:26 AM
Kate Bush was backed on her first two albums by an ex-member of the Bay City Rollers

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Paton

Rob Davis from Mud went on to write vocals on several 90's dance hits including #1s Fragma - Toca's Miracle and Spiller - If This Ain't Love as well as cowriting Can't Get You Out Of My Head with Cathy Dennis.
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Post by: famethrowa on February 01, 2020, 12:00:04 PM
Kate Bush was backed on her first two albums by an ex-member of the Bay City Rollers

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Paton

But to be fair, that guy's a bit of a journeyman gun for hire by anyone. Interesting that he appeared on both Elton's worst album and best album, quite an achievement!
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Post by: famethrowa on February 13, 2020, 03:00:51 PM
Thanks to the Chart Music chaps, I found out something today: Joe Jackson (early 80's singer, not Tito's dad) is not American, did not grow up in America but rather in Portsmouth UK. I always assumed he was from Noo York and was signed as a USA answer to Elvis Costello. Guess not!
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Post by: Artie Fufkin on February 13, 2020, 03:09:12 PM
Thanks to the Chart Music chaps, I found out something today: Joe Jackson (early 80's singer, not Tito's dad) is not American, did not grow up in America but rather in Portsmouth UK. I always assumed he was from Noo York and was signed as a USA answer to Elvis Costello. Guess not!
Field Of Dreams, anyone?
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Post by: phantom_power on February 13, 2020, 03:19:55 PM
The Carpenters "It's Only Just Begun" was co-written by Little Enos Burdette from Smokey & The Bandit.
Although it seems every fucker from those films was some sort of Country & Western style singer so my hat may only be half-fucked.

He also wrote the songs for Bugsy Malone and loads of other great songs as well as being in Baby Driver
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Post by: Satchmo Distel on February 16, 2020, 07:19:04 PM
"When A Man Loves A Woman" by Percy Sledge was recorded with out of tune horns. Jerry Wexler had a corrected version recorded, but the first recording was released in error.

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Trained musicians can tell that the horns on this song are out of tune, and this didn't escape the ear of Jerry Wexler at Atlantic Records. He sent back the original version so this could be fixed, but the fix never made it to the shelves. David Hood, who became the bass player in the Muscle Shoals Rhythm Section, told us: "Wexler thought the horns on the original version were out of tune - and they were - and he wanted them to change the horns. They went back in the studio and changed the horns, got different horn players to play on it. But then the tapes got mixed up and Atlantic put out their original version. So that's the hit."

https://www.songfacts.com/facts/percy-sledge/when-a-man-loves-a-woman
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Post by: alan nagsworth on March 11, 2020, 07:43:00 AM
Daniel Lopatin (Oneohtrix Point Never) played the synths on “Out of Tune” by Real Estate. Just one of the many wonderful little nuggets of info that are a joy to discover in the sleeve notes of your favourite albums.
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Post by: non capisco on March 12, 2020, 12:37:49 AM
I'm also going to pretend he played lead guitar on that album.
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Post by: kalowski on March 28, 2020, 09:49:53 PM
Might only be me who cares about this. Three surprises I got today.
Bob and Earl, who had a big hit with Harlem Shuffle were originally Bobby Byrd and Earl Nelson. Not Bobby Byrd of James Brown fame, a different guy altogether who also called himself Bobby Day, and had a big hit with Rockin' Robin.
Earl also performed under the name Jackie Lee, singing The Duck and Do The Temptation Walk.
Amazingly (to me) Byrd was replaced by another Bob, Bob Relf who also recorded the Northern Soul stomper, Blowing My Mind to Pieces.

Hat is fucked here.
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Post by: Bobby Treetops on March 29, 2020, 12:47:56 AM
Might only be me who cares about this. Three surprises I got today.
Bob and Earl, who had a big hit with Harlem Shuffle were originally Bobby Byrd and Earl Nelson. Not Bobby Byrd of James Brown fame, a different guy altogether who also called himself Bobby Day, and had a big hit with Rockin' Robin.
Earl also performed under the name Jackie Lee, singing The Duck and Do The Temptation Walk.
Amazingly (to me) Byrd was replaced by another Bob, Bob Relf who also recorded the Northern Soul stomper, Blowing My Mind to Pieces.

Hat is fucked here.

A whole plethora of fuck my hat there.
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Post by: Dewt on April 07, 2020, 03:58:01 AM
Apparently Walk On Water by Ozzy isn't an old song just included in Beavis and Butthead Do America, it was actually exclusive to the movie.
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Post by: lazyhour on April 29, 2020, 10:38:14 AM
Brian Eno's full name is...

Brian Peter George St John le Baptiste de la Salle Eno
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Post by: Pseudopath on April 29, 2020, 10:41:26 AM
Brian Eno's full name is...

Brian Peter George St John le Baptiste de la Salle Eno

To be fair to his parents, he was born Brian Peter George Eno and added the other bits as his confirmation name. De La Salle was the name of the Catholic order who founded his college.
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Post by: lazyhour on April 29, 2020, 10:42:58 AM
Oh, that's cheating!
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Post by: Pseudopath on April 29, 2020, 10:47:53 AM
Still a lot better than Dido's real name Florian Cloud de Bounevialle O'Malley Armstrong.

Quote from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dido_(singer)
Dido considers hers as her real name, not simply a stage name or nickname.

No shit.
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Post by: Better Midlands on April 29, 2020, 12:15:25 PM
Still a lot better than Dido's real name Florian Cloud de Bounevialle O'Malley Armstrong. Q

And her brother Rowland Constantine O'Malley Armstrong from Faithless.
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Post by: famethrowa on April 29, 2020, 01:37:01 PM
Fair dos, because cool-named dude Aloe Blacc is actually Egbert Nathaniel Dawkins III.
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Post by: non capisco on May 03, 2020, 08:33:09 PM
Never knew before he died this week that Tony Allen played drums on Sebastien Tellier's 'La Ritournelle'. Seems so obvious now!
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Post by: Hand Solo on May 04, 2020, 10:37:10 AM
Venus by The Shocking Blue (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPEhQugz-Ew) is just a new lyrics  to The Big Three's Oh Susanna (aka The Banjo Song) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uqnN3ek2vI), itself a major re-working of an old folk song.
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Post by: DJ Bob Hoskins on May 04, 2020, 03:25:37 PM
Never knew before he died this week that Tony Allen played drums on Sebastien Tellier's 'La Ritournelle'. Seems so obvious now!

Same here. My hat was similarly fucked a few years ago when I heard this track for the first time and realised that Radiohead's Reckoner is similar to the point of sounding like a shameless rip off. Always wondered how they got away with that.
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Post by: famethrowa on May 04, 2020, 04:26:28 PM
Venus by The Shocking Blue (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPEhQugz-Ew) is just a new lyrics  to The Big Three's Oh Susanna (aka The Banjo Song) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uqnN3ek2vI), itself a major re-working of an old folk song.

Good lord. What a ripoff!
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Post by: Pseudopath on May 07, 2020, 09:19:37 AM
The Farm's All Together Now was produced by none other than Suggs.
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Post by: buzby on May 07, 2020, 12:10:26 PM
The Farm's All Together Now was produced by none other than Suggs.
Suggs produced (and sang backing vocals on) three tracks from their debut Hearts and Minds EP in 1984, which was recorded in Madness' Liquidator Studio (the fourth track, Same Old Story, was produced by Heaton & Cullimore of the pre-fame Housemartins). He had met the band and their manager (Kevin Sampson, who had been a Madness fan since they first played Eric's - Suggs had lived in Liverpool for a while in his childhood) when The Farm and Madness both appeared on the same episode of The Oxford Road Show in 1983. After that, The Farm petered out for a few years and Sampson moved down to London and became a close friend of Suggs.

Suggs had a starring role in the 1989 Channel 4 film The Final Frame (as a rock star who gets murdered onstage at an animal rights benefit gig). The film was  produced by Sampson and filmed in Manchester, and needing a band to play onstage for one of the scenes Sampson asked his old friend Peter Hooton, as The Farm had recently reformed. The band and Suggs were reaquainted on the set, and at the beginning of 1990 the band travelled to London to see Suggs and Sampson. They agreed to become the band's co-managers, set up their own label Produce and Suggs would produce their records at Liquidator. Terry Farley was signed up to produce the club remixes.

They first recorded a cover of Stepping Stone and one of their own songs Family Of Man. These were produced by Suggs and Terry Farley, and released as a double A-side single in April 1990. It never made the Top 40 but did well in the indie charts and clubs (it was the prime 'Baggy' period), so they then decided to recorded a full album, again with Suggs at Liquidator.

The album Spartacus was released in March 1991 and got to #1 in the album charts, and was preceded by two singles that were Top Ten hits, Groovy Train (#6 in August 1990) and Altogether Now (#4 in Novemeber 1990), and a Top 40 single after it's release (Don't Let Me down, #36 in May 1991). The album also included remixed versions of Hearts And Minds and Same Old Story (renamed Tell The Story) from their debut EP.

For their second album Love See No Colour in 1992 Suggs co-produced with Mark Saunders, but they decided to licence their output to Sony (instead of selling out the Produce label they reactivated the End Product label that their first EP had been self-released on). By this time 'Baggy' was on it's way out though, and none of the singles got into the Top 30 except their Saunders-produced cover of The Human League's Don't You Want Me (#18 in October 1992). The album failed to chart.

They went on to record a third album, Hullabaloo, for WEA/Sire in 1994 with dance producer Gary Wilkinson (who had been engineer on Groovy Train)but it was not a success, and promotion was stopped after the first single Messiah stalled at #94 in August, and the band petered out again.
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Post by: Pseudopath on May 07, 2020, 03:46:44 PM
#TheMoreYouKnow

Cheers (as ever), the mighty buzby.
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Post by: The Culture Bunker on May 07, 2020, 04:59:07 PM
I'm sure it wouldn't fuck anyone's hat to know their version of 'Don't You Want Me' was crap.

I wasn't mad keen on Sampson's Britpop novel 'Powder' either, or that nonsense about football thugs.
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Post by: Fr.Bigley on May 07, 2020, 05:05:55 PM
Bryan ferry doesn't work for P&O
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Post by: MiddleRabbit on May 08, 2020, 01:02:24 AM
Suggs produced (and sang backing vocals on) three tracks from their debut Hearts and Minds EP in 1984, which was recorded in Madness' Liquidator Studio (the fourth track, Same Old Story, was produced by Heaton & Cullimore of the pre-fame Housemartins). He had met the band and their manager (Kevin Sampson, who had been a Madness fan since they first played Eric's - Suggs had lived in Liverpool for a while in his childhood) when The Farm and Madness both appeared on the same episode of The Oxford Road Show in 1983. After that, The Farm petered out for a few years and Sampson moved down to London and became a close friend of Suggs.

Suggs had a starring role in the 1989 Channel 4 film The Final Frame (as a rock star who gets murdered onstage at an animal rights benefit gig). The film was  produced by Sampson and filmed in Manchester, and needing a band to play onstage for one of the scenes Sampson asked his old friend Peter Hooton, as The Farm had recently reformed. The band and Suggs were reaquainted on the set, and at the beginning of 1990 the band travelled to London to see Suggs and Sampson. They agreed to become the band's co-managers, set up their own label Produce and Suggs would produce their records at Liquidator. Terry Farley was signed up to produce the club remixes.

They first recorded a cover of Stepping Stone and one of their own songs Family Of Man. These were produced by Suggs and Terry Farley, and released as a double A-side single in April 1990. It never made the Top 40 but did well in the indie charts and clubs (it was the prime 'Baggy' period), so they then decided to recorded a full album, again with Suggs at Liquidator.

The album Spartacus was released in March 1991 and got to #1 in the album charts, and was preceded by two singles that were Top Ten hits, Groovy Train (#6 in August 1990) and Altogether Now (#4 in Novemeber 1990), and a Top 40 single after it's release (Don't Let Me down, #36 in May 1991). The album also included remixed versions of Hearts And Minds and Same Old Story (renamed Tell The Story) from their debut EP.

For their second album Love See No Colour in 1992 Suggs co-produced with Mark Saunders, but they decided to licence their output to Sony (instead of selling out the Produce label they reactivated the End Product label that their first EP had been self-released on). By this time 'Baggy' was on it's way out though, and none of the singles got into the Top 30 except their Saunders-produced cover of The Human League's Don't You Want Me (#18 in October 1992). The album failed to chart.

They went on to record a third album, Hullabaloo, for WEA/Sire in 1994 with dance producer Gary Wilkinson (who had been engineer on Groovy Train)but it was not a success, and promotion was stopped after the first single Messiah stalled at #94 in August, and the band petered out again.

Stepping Stone also had a sample from Snap's The Power, and was a hit prior to Snap's re-release.  I wonder if that’s happened since?
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Post by: the on May 08, 2020, 02:04:38 AM
Stepping Stone also had a sample from Snap's The Power, and was a hit prior to Snap's re-release.  I wonder if that’s happened since?

It's not a sample from The Power, it uses the same beat that was also sampled in The Power. It's from King Of The Beats by Mantronix, and the beat itself is mostly a cut-up of the Take Me To The Mardi Gras break (Bob James).
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Post by: buzby on May 08, 2020, 04:05:39 AM
Stepping Stone also had a sample from Snap's The Power, and was a hit prior to Snap's re-release.  I wonder if that’s happened since?
The Farm's cover of Stepping Stone was released in April 1990 and first charted on the 5th of May. the Arista-re-recorded version of The Power with Turbo B and Penny Ford replacing the samples of Chill Rob G and Jocelyn Brown was released on the 12th of March 1990 and went to Number 1 at the end of that month, so it had already bee naa hit before Stepping Stone was released.

The original Logic Records import from Germany with the offending samples had been doing the rounds in the clubs since late 1989. Terry Farley's Ghost Dance mix of Stepping Stone that uses the drum loop was recorded in February 1990.

It's not a sample from The Power, it uses the same beat that was also sampled in The Power. It's from King Of The Beats by Mantronix, and the beat itself is mostly a cut-up of the Take Me To The Mardi Gras break (Bob James).
I'm not so sure. The loop on Stepping Stone has got the same orch hit/stab at the end of the second bar that appears in it's use on The Power, but I can't hear it anywhere onthe original Mantronix source. I've also seen it stated in multiple books and articles on The Farm and Suggs' involvement with them that Farley sampled it from The Power, including one that specifically states he sampled if off the German import Logic release (in this December 1990 edition of the NME's Juke Box Jury (https://thefall.org/gigography/90dec2229.html), Peter Hooton was on the panel and The Power is discussed, and Hooton says he first heard it when Farley started playing the German import in clubs).

There's also  this 1991 MT interview (http://www.muzines.co.uk/articles/life-on-the-farm/886) with the band too, which despite getting the name of the track wrong also says the break was sampled from The Power.
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Post by: Dewt on May 08, 2020, 04:23:00 AM
That interview is great.
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Post by: the on May 08, 2020, 04:25:33 AM
I'm not so sure. The loop on Stepping Stone has got the same orch hit/stab at the end of the second bar that appears in it's use on The Power, but I can't hear it anywhere onthe original Mantronix source.

Ah yeah, you're right, I didn't spot the stab on my spin through. It most probably is taken from The Power then.

The stab is the horn/bass one from the start of the Ashley's Roach Clip break.
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Post by: Better Midlands on May 08, 2020, 06:48:38 AM
The re-release still contains the Jocelyn Brown sample, it was cleared in the end .

The King Of The Beats loop is a thing of beauty, I think Kurtis Mantronik is using the tiniest triangle (?) hit at that point from TMTTMG as a percussive element and the bass drum/snare/hats are all programmed as you can hear then clean in other points in KOTB.
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Post by: Norton Canes on May 08, 2020, 10:06:17 AM
Cumberland Gap is nowhere near the Lake District
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Post by: The Culture Bunker on May 08, 2020, 11:16:28 AM
Cumberland Gap is nowhere near the Lake District
Although there is (or was) a Cumberland Gap near the Lake District, albeit it might just be something locals called it after the song was a hit: 'twas the bit of road as the M6 becomes the A74 as you head North from Carlisle and into Scotland.
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Post by: Johnboy on May 08, 2020, 11:56:51 AM
Just found out that that's Howard Devoto singing Holocaust on that This Mortal Coil album.

Chapeau fuckityed
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Post by: the on May 08, 2020, 06:36:56 PM
The King Of The Beats loop is a thing of beauty, I think Kurtis Mantronik is using the tiniest triangle (?) hit at that point from TMTTMG as a percussive element and the bass drum/snare/hats are all programmed as you can hear then clean in other points in KOTB.

I think they're agogo bells (https://youtu.be/CJ78wSm9SUs?t=23).

It sounds to me like he's triggering little pieces of the first half of the bar in the Mardi Gras break (before the lower agogo is heard), because you can hear the snare and kick from the Mardi Gras break as well. But yeah, he's used velocity to give it a groove, and layered it up with the other programmed drums (plus the break is crumbled a bit by the low sampling rate).

He might've layered up the same drum hit samples on top of each other at various points because you sometimes hear them phasing.
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Post by: Better Midlands on May 08, 2020, 10:09:08 PM
I think they're agogo bells (https://youtu.be/CJ78wSm9SUs?t=23).

It sounds to me like he's triggering little pieces of the first half of the bar in the Mardi Gras break (before the lower agogo is heard), because you can hear the snare and kick from the Mardi Gras break as well. But yeah, he's used velocity to give it a groove, and layered it up with the other programmed drums (plus the break is crumbled a bit by the low sampling rate).

He might've layered up the same drum hit samples on top of each other at various points because you sometimes hear them phasing.

I think you're right, there's three hits of the higher agogo with the third falling just after the first snare on TMTTMG, he's probably re-triggering the sample each time to avoid the lower agogo and then layered other drum sounds on top. Apprently The Meters - Look-Ka Py Py (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYfCTHf2ne4)break is in there too, so maybe they come from that. He probably used SP12(00) that bit crushed it as you say, pretty advanced stuff for 1988.
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Post by: thecuriousorange on May 10, 2020, 02:26:51 PM
Edit: Nevermind.
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Post by: lazyhour on May 10, 2020, 02:59:22 PM
The Only Way Is Up by Yazz is a cover!

https://youtu.be/0zf0rMfTeaI (https://youtu.be/0zf0rMfTeaI)

A touch of Silly Love Songs in the arrangement there?
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Post by: Better Midlands on May 10, 2020, 03:28:52 PM
The Only Way Is Up by Yazz is a cover!

https://youtu.be/0zf0rMfTeaI (https://youtu.be/0zf0rMfTeaI)

A touch of Silly Love Songs in the arrangement there?

I'm always surprised the Otis Clay version is from 1980, feels like a it should be from the early 70's.
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Post by: Dewt on May 10, 2020, 03:43:52 PM
The Only Way Is Up by Yazz is a cover!

Jesus Christ!
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Post by: Fr.Bigley on May 10, 2020, 04:27:53 PM
Alexander O'Neal wrote Criticise in response to his missus who was fed up with him doing crack; he's shown sweating profusely in the video after just having a toke also.
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Post by: Captain Crunch on May 10, 2020, 09:45:07 PM
Reef called themselves Reef because it’s an anagram of Free. 
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Post by: popcorn on May 10, 2020, 10:27:38 PM
Didn't know Guy Pratt (session bassist for a thousand major acts, including Pink Floyd and Madonna) wrote the Spaced soundtrack.

Also: when I realised Like Spinning Plates by Radiohead samples Isaac Hayes my hat was pretty thoroughly fucked.

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Post by: phantom_power on May 11, 2020, 08:50:25 AM
That's like when I heard the original version of Aftermath by Tricky and realised he had sampled The Specials
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Post by: Better Midlands on May 11, 2020, 09:09:18 AM
That's like when I heard the original version of Aftermath by Tricky and realised he had sampled The Specials

There's an interesting Sound On Sound interview (https://www.soundonsound.com/techniques/classic-tracks-tricky-black-steel) with Mark Saunders the producer of Maxinquaye where he talks about how Island had set up a home studio in Tricky's flat to record the album and there was records all over the floor, Tricky would pick something randomly up for them to sample then just chuck it back on the floor.
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Post by: Nice Relaxing Poo on May 12, 2020, 07:28:25 PM
The incidental music in Seinfeld was played on a keyboard not on bass.
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Post by: Pseudopath on May 12, 2020, 09:23:54 PM
Also: when I realised Like Spinning Plates by Radiohead samples Isaac Hayes my hat was pretty thoroughly fucked.

Apparently there are quite a few uncredited samples on Kid A/Amnesiac-era songs, including a bit of Miles Davis on Pyramid Song CD2 track Kinetic (https://www.whosampled.com/sample/72361/Radiohead-Kinetic-Miles-Davis-Miles-Runs-the-Voodoo-Down/) and some Paul Lansky and Arthur Krieger snippets in Idioteque (https://www.whosampled.com/Radiohead/Idioteque/).

EDIT: Ah...sorry. Lansky and Krieger are listed as songwriters on Idioteque.
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Post by: the on May 12, 2020, 10:09:33 PM
This is more of a musical 'obvious things you've just realised', but today it occurred to me that Back For Good by Take Shat was a brazen guaranteeing of a big number 1* by using the chords and mood of Wet Wet Wet's cover of Love Is All Around.

Yes it's a well used chord sequence anyway yadda yadda, but at the time it never occurred to me that it was such a shameless photocopying of a recent chart phenomenon.

* it was also a big number 2
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Post by: DrGreggles on May 12, 2020, 10:15:08 PM
This is more of a musical 'obvious things you've just realised', but today it occurred to me that Back For Good by Take Shat was a brazen guaranteeing of a big number 1* by using the chords and mood of Wet Wet Wet's cover of Love Is All Around.

Wasn't it Bee Gees' 'I Started A Joke'?
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Post by: the on May 12, 2020, 10:24:20 PM
Did that get to number 1 for 15 weeks the year before
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Post by: ollyboro on May 12, 2020, 11:50:04 PM
The incidental music in Seinfeld was played on a keyboard not on bass.
Every opening and closing theme tune in the show was a unique composition. In effect Seinfeld didn't have a theme tune, it had loads of different ones.
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Post by: crankshaft on May 12, 2020, 11:56:31 PM
Didn't know Guy Pratt (session bassist for a thousand major acts, including Pink Floyd and Madonna) wrote the Spaced soundtrack.

He also co-wrote Jimmy Nail's "Ain't No Doubt" and fucking "Vindaloo" by Fat Les.
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Post by: DrGreggles on May 13, 2020, 12:14:10 AM
Did that get to number 1 for 15 weeks the year before

No, but that's the song BFG ripped off.
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Post by: Pingers on May 13, 2020, 12:24:01 AM
There's an interesting Sound On Sound interview (https://www.soundonsound.com/techniques/classic-tracks-tricky-black-steel) with Mark Saunders the producer of Maxinquaye where he talks about how Island had set up a home studio in Tricky's flat to record the album and there was records all over the floor, Tricky would pick something randomly up for them to sample then just chuck it back on the floor.

Great article, thanks for that
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Post by: Clatty McCutcheon on May 13, 2020, 12:47:37 AM
One thing I definitely didn’t know was that Martin ‘Tim from The Office’ Freeman features in the promo video for Faith No More’s cover version of ‘I Started a Joke.’

https://youtu.be/JKDo6g4CCeU
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Post by: the on May 13, 2020, 01:21:26 AM
No, but that's the song BFG ripped off.

So musically speaking, what does Back For Good have more in common with I Started A Joke than it does with Love Is All Around? (All three use the same chord progression.)

(Incidentally, The Troggs original of Love Is All Around predates I Started A Joke.)
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Post by: Hundhoon on May 13, 2020, 01:57:00 AM
 Curve

You get bands where they are a great idea half formed.
Mind blowing musicianship, great vocalists, great production, you can hear something amazing in there, it just needs to be more coherent.
if they got their sound together they would be one of the best bands in the world. 
Curve's first album Public Fruit from 1991 is a collection of their first few EPs, you hear so many ideas and flashes of greatness, a couple of awesome tracks, really great album, you get the vibe this band have the potential to sell out stadiums,  but it never really comes together in the way it should, John Peel played it loads.
Garbage ripped them off formed a sort of commercial form of Curve,
they are the most early 90s bands ever, shoegaze, industrial, with hip hop influences. Alan Moulder and Flood producing.
I love some of their tracks, just always want to readjust things a bit.








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Post by: famethrowa on May 13, 2020, 05:27:01 AM
So musically speaking, what does Back For Good have more in common with I Started A Joke than it does with Love Is All Around? (All three use the same chord progression.)

(Incidentally, The Troggs original of Love Is All Around predates I Started A Joke.)

If I may clarify this chord business:

Back For Good:  G   Am   C    D
Love Is All Around:   G   Am   C   D
I Started A Joke: G   Bm    C   D
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Post by: buzby on May 13, 2020, 10:48:51 AM
Curve

You get bands where they are a great idea half formed.
Mind blowing musicianship, great vocalists, great production, you can hear something amazing in there, it just needs to be more coherent.
if they got their sound together they would be one of the best bands in the world. 
Curve's first album Public Fruit from 1991 is a collection of their first few EPs, you hear so many ideas and flashes of greatness, a couple of awesome tracks, really great album, you get the vibe this band have the potential to sell out stadiums,  but it never really comes together in the way it should, John Peel played it loads.
Garbage ripped them off formed a sort of commercial form of Curve,
they are the most early 90s bands ever, shoegaze, industrial, with hip hop influences. Alan Moulder and Flood producing.
I love some of their tracks, just always want to readjust things a bit.
I'n not sure I quite agree about the lack of coherency. Their albums can be a little bit patchy, but their best tracks when they were firing on all cylinders always hit the spot for me. One thing I will say is that their early records (up to the first breakup after Cuckoo, at least) need to be listened to on vinyl, CD or FLAC/lossless as the sound is so dense and layered it does not take well to compresson, even at high bitrates. Garcia did say in an interview around the time of Come Clean's release though that after they decided to get back together, they resolved to try a less dense and opaque sound - "We wanted it to be more open and expose the songs more, and not be so scared and camouflaged in 500 layers of guitars,”.

Their EPs & albums were self-produced, with assistance from Steve Osborne (all albums up to Gift), Flood (Doppelganger and Cuckoo), Tim Simenon (Come Clean) and Ben Grosse (Gift). Alan Moulder was their regular choice as mixer and was basically a member of the band (he has a few co-write credits on thier songs), due to being Toni's husband (I think they met when he engineered State Of Play's album). Moulder was a key influence in their early sound, through his work on MBV's Glider and Tremolo EPs and Loveless, JAMC's Psychocandy and Automatic and Ride's Nowhere (they even had Kevin Shields on guitar on Perish and Want More Need Less from Gift)

Osborne and Flood's involvement presumably also came about through them being friends and colleagues of Moulder from when he was a house engineer at Trident Studios. Moulder and Flood have co-owned a few studios over the years, the latest one being their Assault & Battery Studios in Willesden Green.

If you read interviews with Toni Halliday, they never wanted to sell out stadiums or top the charts. They were both industry veterans by that point and had been though the major label pop grinder with their previous project State Of Play that left them disillusioned and £100k in debt with nothing to show for it other than a record they hated. One of the reasons for their first split was the stress of touring, in paticularly on the tour to support Cuckoo in 1994 where they had a major falling out  and decided to put the band on hiatus to preserve their friendship. The music press had also turned on them pretty quickly after those first few EPs too, bringing up their past lives in State Of Play and accusing them of being a couple of industry has-beens who were cashing in on Shoegaze.

They turned down loads of opportunities that would have got them more exposure (and what exposure they did get, particularly in their second phase, was mostly due to their tracks being licenced for film and TV soundtracks).

After they reformed for Come Clean (for which the moved from Dave Stewart's Anxious label to Universal) and started getting some traction again (though again falling foul of the press, who now accused them of trying to cash in on Garbage's success), they then fell victim to major label politics - Gift was recorded a year after Come Clean, but a series of mergers and reorganisations at UMG pushed it's release to the bottom of the list and it ended up coming out 4 years later. After the internet-only self-released The New Adventures Of Curve in 2003 Halliday decided she'd had enough and called it a day.
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Post by: Glitch King on May 13, 2020, 12:42:17 PM
Glitch King!
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Post by: The Culture Bunker on May 13, 2020, 12:58:30 PM
Re Curve - I'll always rep for 'Doppelganger', which I think is a very good album, and I like what I've heard of those early EPs. 'Coast is Clear' may be my favourite song of theirs.

The follow up album had it's moments, but I've never got my head into anything beyond that point. When I play Curve to people unaware of them, it's true that most spot the Garbage connection right away, but I think Garbage took the template and made it a lot more commercial. Curve made some brilliant songs, but I'm not sure I hear anything and think "yeah, I could see that crossing over into mainstream American radio or MTV (as it was then, not now)".

I guess their past as backing musicians for Eurythmics was always going to get them slagged by the press at that time, while Garbage could at least say their drummer produced a Nirvana album, which is a lot more 'credible'.
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Post by: buzby on May 13, 2020, 01:33:19 PM
Re Curve - I'll always rep for 'Doppelganger', which I think is a very good album, and I like what I've heard of those early EPs. 'Coast is Clear' may be my favourite song of theirs.

The follow up album had it's moments, but I've never got my head into anything beyond that point. When I play Curve to people unaware of them, it's true that most spot the Garbage connection right away, but I think Garbage took the template and made it a lot more commercial. Curve made some brilliant songs, but I'm not sure I hear anything and think "yeah, I could see that crossing over into mainstream American radio or MTV (as it was then, not now)".
The singles off the post-first split Come Clean did well on College radio in the US, but never crossed over to the mainstream (the same was true over here as well), mostly due to their reluctance to tour there after what had happened in 1994. As I said, people will have heard the songs from their use on TV and film (Chinese Burn was used on a high profile Sony Minidisc ad (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEtLV0o4MTw), and in the famous 'Bad Girls' episode of Buffy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSIPzIE0EO0), for example), but wouldn't have known it was them. It wasn't helped by the fact that UMG released it in the UK as the lead single to promote the album, but as a 7-track maxi single with a load of remixes instead of 2 separate CDs, which made it ineligible for the chart.
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I guess their past as backing musicians for Eurythmics was always going to get them slagged by the press at that time, while Garbage could at least say their drummer produced a Nirvana album, which is a lot more 'credible'.
And Manson was the keyboard player for Goodbye Mr Mackenzie and singer in Angelfish (where she was poached from to join Garbage). Doug Erikson, had been the bassist with Vig in Spooner (in 1974!) and Fire Town, and Steve Marker had been a producer since the mid-80s and was Vig's business partner in Smart Studios. They were even more industry veterans than Garcia and Halliday had been. As you say though, Vig's Nirvana connection seemed to get them an easier ride in the press, despite their records being more commercially-oriented than Curve's were.
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Post by: Glitch King on May 13, 2020, 08:59:24 PM
Strike two!
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Post by: popcorn on May 13, 2020, 09:01:54 PM
Apparently there are quite a few uncredited samples on Kid A/Amnesiac-era songs, including a bit of Miles Davis on Pyramid Song CD2 track Kinetic (https://www.whosampled.com/sample/72361/Radiohead-Kinetic-Miles-Davis-Miles-Runs-the-Voodoo-Down/) and some Paul Lansky and Arthur Krieger snippets in Idioteque (https://www.whosampled.com/Radiohead/Idioteque/).

EDIT: Ah...sorry. Lansky and Krieger are listed as songwriters on Idioteque.

Does anyone know why samples of famous acts like Miles Davis and Isaac Hayes would not be credited on a Radiohead song but obscure 1960s electronic composers would?
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Post by: Fr.Bigley on May 13, 2020, 09:09:24 PM
Does anyone know why samples of famous acts like Miles Davis and Isaac Hayes would not be credited on a Radiohead song but obscure 1960s electronic composers would?

Because Thom Yorke doesn't need to credit anyone. He is musical Shaft innit
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Post by: buzby on May 13, 2020, 09:44:46 PM
Does anyone know why samples of famous acts like Miles Davis and Isaac Hayes would not be credited on a Radiohead song but obscure 1960s electronic composers would?
In the case of Idioteque's samples of Mild Und Leise by Paul Lansky and Short Piece by Arthur Kreiger, Johnny Greenwood had sampled them both off the same 1976 experimental electronic music LP First Recordings – Electronic Music Winners to use as a temp track over a sequenced drum pattern from his analogue drum synth. He the sent the piece to Thom, who looped a section of it to use as the basis for the song and it grew from there. As the song developed, he remembered he had sampled the 4 chord loop from the sampled melody from Lansky's piece, so he wrote a letter to Lansky (http://paul.mycpanel.princeton.edu/radiohead.ml.html) with a copy of the track, asking if they could have permission to use it (and as it was a melodic element, presumably offering a writing credit).

In the case of the Miles Davis drum sample on Kinetic, it's a rhythmic element, so no writing credit is needed (they only cover words and melody). They may have cleared it, but we will never really know. The Isaac Hayes sample on Like Spinning Plates is probably uncleared ,as from this 6 Music interview (https://www.facebook.com/BBCRadio6Music/videos/2654961181234780/) (warning - contains Shaun Keaveny) it seems Thom did not know it was a sample:
Quote from: Thom Yorke
I've been looking back a bit at the sort of Kid A stuff, because the anniversary is coming up, going through the tapes a bit with Nigel. That's pretty crazy. Mostly it's crazy because you're like, how? How did we get that? How? I was listening to Spinning Plates going, "How did we get there?" and then I remember, oh yeah I know, I recorded something on a little sequencer, and then Nigel was spinning it backwards on the tape, and I went, "Wait, wait that's it!" So we turned the tape over, then I remember Colin just put in this weird Rhodes thing on it, and then deciding to record the vocal backwards then spin 'em forwards and then learn it, blah blah blah. How? Why? How? How did we get there? Mental.

Colin was probably behind the Miles Davis sample too, as he was using samples of old jazz and soul records on their work around the Kid A period. In a 2001 interview with Jazz Times, Jonny said Colin did the same thing with an Alice Coltrane record (Journey In Satchindananda) on Dollars and Cents, which inspired him to write the string section.
Quote from: Johnny Greenwood
Colin will come in with a Coltrane album, and say: ‘lsn’t this amazing?’ And he’ll play it alongside what we’ve recorded. For ‘Dollars & Cents’ he brought an Alice Coltrane with strings album into the studio, He played it alongside what we’d recorded. And we kept turning down what we’d done, and kept turning up the Coltrane album, until that was all you could hear. We wanted strings and harps, but we didn’t have a harp and I don’t play double bass.
Quote from: Colin Greenwood
So I had to put electrical tape strips where the notes I needed to play are. It was a rough attempt to copy what Coltrane did on her Journey in Sotchidananda and Ptah, the El Daoud albums. There’s something great about aiming to get the same effect on our songs.
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Post by: the on May 13, 2020, 09:49:13 PM
Does anyone know why samples of famous acts like Miles Davis and Isaac Hayes would not be credited on a Radiohead song but obscure 1960s electronic composers would?

Broadly speaking, you can clear a sample yet not have to credit it. Whether it must be credited as a sample will be a stipulation in the licencing agreement (along with any other legal agreements - whether the originators of the sampled work get a writing credit, whether they get a percentage royalty cut, what the publisher's terms are etc etc).

And he certainly is a shaft.
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Post by: buzby on May 13, 2020, 09:56:06 PM
Broadly speaking, you can clear a sample yet not have to credit it. Whether it must be credited as a sample will be a stipulation in the licencing agreement (along with any other legal agreements - whether the originators of the sampled work get a writing credit, whether they get a percentage royalty cut, what the publisher's terms are etc etc).
See above. In the Idioteque case it was a melodic element which Johnny sought to get cleared, and as a result Lansky got a writing credit. In the Kinetic case, it's a drum loop which meant even if it was cleared with the recording copyright holder there's no writing credit required.
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Post by: popcorn on May 13, 2020, 09:56:57 PM
Didn't know that about rhythm samples, ta.
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Post by: the on May 13, 2020, 11:20:49 PM
See above. In the Idioteque case it was a melodic element which Johnny sought to get cleared, and as a result Lansky got a writing credit. In the Kinetic case, it's a drum loop which meant even if it was cleared with the recording copyright holder there's no writing credit required.

We're talking at cross purposes slightly - there's one issue of an individual receiving a writing credit (effectively making them a co-writer of the track that sampled them), and there's another issue of whether the sampled track must be credited/declared in the sleevenotes, which was what popcorn was asking about. (That's how I interpreted it when I replied anyway.)
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Post by: buzby on May 14, 2020, 08:19:07 AM
We're talking at cross purposes slightly - there's one issue of an individual receiving a writing credit (effectively making them a co-writer of the track that sampled them), and there's another issue of whether the sampled track must be credited/declared in the sleevenotes, which was what popcorn was asking about. (That's how I interpreted it when I replied anyway.)
Ah, right -  I was talking purely from the songwriting credit perspective.

Idioteque ticks both boxes - on the original release of Kid A the Lansky and Krieger samples are fully credited, but there are no songwriting credits at all in the booklet. In the rights databases Lansky is credited as a co-writer though. Krieger's brief sample (which is only used once, as a sound effect at the beginning of the track) presumably wasn't enough to get him a full songwriting credit.

For the sleevenotes on the I Might Be Wrong live album there is no sample attribution but there are songwriting credits and Lansky is credited for that track. For live performances the Lansky sample is replaced with a similar-sounding synth patch (played by Colin) and the sample from Krieger's track isn't used. There is no attribution for the Hayes or Davis samples on the other tracks, which leads me to think they are probably uncleared.
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Post by: popcorn on May 14, 2020, 12:27:00 PM
Thanks both of youse, the legal wranglings about sampling is very interesting to me.

There is no attribution for the Hayes or Davis samples on the other tracks, which leads me to think they are probably uncleared.

Why do you think that? As I have now learnt, you can use samples (particularly rhythmic ones) without crediting the owners but still clearing them. So why do you reckon they're probably uncleared? It seems a weird thing to do for such a high-profile act, at least in the 21st century.
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Post by: buzby on May 14, 2020, 02:12:26 PM
Thanks both of youse, the legal wranglings about sampling is very interesting to me.

Why do you think that? As I have now learnt, you can use samples (particularly rhythmic ones) without crediting the owners but still clearing them. So why do you reckon they're probably uncleared? It seems a weird thing to do for such a high-profile act, at least in the 21st century.
As the said, you still usually have to attribute that the track contains someone else's sample in the sleevenotes, even if it doesn't necessitate a writing credit - Art Krieger's sample was credited alongside Lansky's in Idioteque, but it wasn't enough to warrant a writing credit.

In the Kinetic/Miles Davis case, even though sampling drum loop doesn't (usually) warrant a songwriting credit, I would probably have expected a major label like Sony/CBS (the copyright holder of Davis' recording) to ask for an attribute in the sleeve notes as part of the clearance agreement. However, the fact that it was used on a track left over from the Kid A sessions that resurfaced as a B-side that was only released on the second CD of the Pyramid Song single a year later means they probably either forgot to clear it or thought nobody would notice.

In that same 2001 Jazz Times interview (https://jazztimes.com/archives/radioheads-jazz-frequencies/) with Johnny Greenwood I quoted earlier, he does make reference to stealing from Miles Davis:
Quote from: Johnny Greenwood
Discussing Miles makes you feel like a dimestore novelist talking about Shakespeare. We feel uncomfortable talking about Miles as any kind of influence, because what he did is so much greater and different than anything we do. We’ve taken and stolen from him shamelessly, not just musically, but in terms of his attitude of moving things forward.”
The use of samples on Kinetic was also mentioned in Ed O'Brien's diary entry on their website during the recording of Kid A:
Quote from: Ed O'Brien
thursday, february 3rd 2000
bits and pieces are added to 'kinetic' - phil sets up his electric kit triggering samples, it works well and could be the basis of an interesting backing track. most of the day is spent preparing for tomorrow's string day.

In the Like Spinning Plates/Isaac Hayes case, Thom's comments from that 6 Music interview does sound more like they either forgot it was a sample, or they didnt' know because Colin forgot to tell them. The Fender Rhodes riff from the intro to Windows Of The World that was sampled isn't part of Bacharach & David's song, it was part of Hayes' arrangment that was recorded for the Live At The Sahara Tahoe album so it should have been attributed to him in the sleevenotes, even if Bacharach & David didn't warrant a writing credit.

The mechanical copyright of the Live At The Sahara Tahoe album originally belonged to Enterprise, Stax's Jazz & Soul sublabel. Stax went bust in 1975 and their post-1968 catalogue was bought by the US independent jazz label Fantasy Records, who owned it at the time Amnesiac was released. If the band hadn't notified EMI that the track contained a sample, then EMI would not have sent a sample clearance request to Fantasy so they probably wouldn't be any the wiser.
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Post by: popcorn on May 14, 2020, 02:27:05 PM
All fascinating and informative as ever, cheers.

Regarding this Greenwood quote though:

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Discussing Miles makes you feel like a dimestore novelist talking about Shakespeare. We feel uncomfortable talking about Miles as any kind of influence, because what he did is so much greater and different than anything we do. We’ve taken and stolen from him shamelessly, not just musically, but in terms of his attitude of moving things forward.

The "in terms of his attitude" is presumably what he meant about stealing from him, not sampling.
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Post by: buzby on May 14, 2020, 02:35:56 PM
All fascinating and informative as ever, cheers.

Regarding this Greenwood quote though:

The "in terms of his attitude" is presumably what he meant about stealing from him, not sampling.
He says they have "stolen from him not just musically, but in terms of attitude", which I would take to mean in both senses. That interview dates from just after the release of Amnesiac, so Phil's use of Miles Davis samples on Kinetic may have still been in his mind.

The "in terms of his attitude" part has also been brought up by Thom, who said the feel of OK Computer was partly inspired by listening to Bitches Brew.
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Post by: the on May 14, 2020, 02:36:14 PM
As the said, you still usually have to attribute that the track contains someone else's sample in the sleevenotes, even if it doesn't necessitate a writing credit

Ha, no, that's what I was de-emphasising. Whether you have to credit the sample or not is purely based on the legal agreement drawn up in the process of getting the sample cleared. Sometimes you do, sometimes you don't.

There's often a misconception that no credit = it's uncleared, that's what I was trying to clarify. A sample could be uncredited yet cleared.

Clearing a sample isn't like phoning someone up and they say 'yeah OK' or 'no', it goes through lawyers who are obviously trying to get an agreeable deal for their respective clients (both corporate and individual - writers, publishers, master rights holders), so the final terms and conditions agreed on are specific to each individual clearance. Every clearance is a new legal transaction.
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Post by: Better Midlands on May 14, 2020, 02:52:13 PM
Every clearance is a new legal transaction.

This is the main thing, a sampled artist/label etc can ask for sole writing credit just for using a snare hit if they wish or alternatively let you use quite an extensive musical sample for free - it's all negotiable as you have no right to sample.
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Post by: popcorn on May 14, 2020, 03:03:13 PM
He says they have "stolen from him not just musically, but in terms of attitude", which I would take to mean in both senses. That interview dates from just after the release of Amnesiac, so Phil's use of Miles Davis samples on Kinetic may have still been in his mind.

Yeah, but it seems more likely that he meant "we steal musical ideas from him (stealing musically) and we also steal from his attitude (musical approach)". Of course he might have been thinking "tee hee we also literally sampled him" in the back of his mind but that doesn't seem to be the most obvious interpretation of what he was saying in that quote.
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Post by: buzby on May 14, 2020, 04:42:10 PM
Clearing a sample isn't like phoning someone up and they say 'yeah OK' or 'no', it goes through lawyers who are obviously trying to get an agreeable deal for their respective clients (both corporate and individual - writers, publishers, master rights holders), so the final terms and conditions agreed on are specific to each individual clearance. Every clearance is a new legal transaction.
I appreciate that. It is unusual these days for an artist to get a sample cleared without having an attribution clause such as 'Contains portions of <song> by <artist> used by permission of <copyright holder>' in the contract though. It's become part of the boilerplate of the 'standard' sample clearance agreements used by major labels for their recordings, at least. This DJ Shadow box set (https://www.discogs.com/DJ-Shadow-Reconstructed-The-Definitive-DJ-Shadow/release/4024211) from 2012 being an extreme example.

The fact you don't see it as much as you would think these days is probably more to do with the use of replays as substitutes for samples, to reduce the amount of royalty loss by avoiding having to get clearance from the owner of the master recording (though obviously you still have to get clearance from the publisher).

This is the main thing, a sampled artist/label etc can ask for sole writing credit just for using a snare hit if they wish or alternatively let you use quite an extensive musical sample for free - it's all negotiable as you have no right to sample.
The original artist and their publisher might be happy to let you use their work without wanting writing credit (or even a one-off fee), but the label/owner of the master recording you sampled might still want their slice and the artist usually has no control over that aspect.
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Post by: the on May 14, 2020, 05:00:22 PM
I appreciate that. It is unusual these days for an artist to get a sample cleared without having an attribution clause such as 'Contains portions of <song> by <artist> used by permission of <copyright holder>' in the contract though.

I expect you see sample attribution a lot more nowadays as it's probably regarded as a form of publicity, which is ever more important in the fragmented dispersed internetland of music.

Also it effectively acts as a citation, and things like search engine algorithms will form an association between the sampling artist and the sampled artist. Again, more notoriety, more publicity for the sampled artist.
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Post by: ollyboro on May 15, 2020, 10:34:52 PM
Celine Dion won the Eurovision song contest. I don't know much about Celine Dion, or have much interest in the Eurovision song contest, but I feel I should have known this.
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Post by: Pseudopath on May 17, 2020, 02:19:53 AM
Celine Dion won the Eurovision song contest. I don't know much about Celine Dion, or have much interest in the Eurovision song contest, but I feel I should have known this.

Just wait until you find out who represented the UK in 1974.

If that doesn't work, your hat will be well-and-truly fricked when you find out which two multimillion-selling songwriting partnerships had their songs rejected as the UK entry in 1969. Good job we went on to win.
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Post by: popcorn on May 23, 2020, 09:36:26 PM
I didn't know how much I loved Music Sounds Better With You by Stardust (aka one half of Daft Punk + some mates). It's taken me 20 years to disassociate the track from the memory of being driven to school on a crap drizzly morning - but it's dreamy.
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Post by: Better Midlands on May 24, 2020, 08:52:44 AM
I didn't know how much I loved Music Sounds Better With You by Stardust (aka one half of Daft Punk + some mates). It's taken me 20 years to disassociate the track from the memory of being driven to school on a crap drizzly morning - but it's dreamy.

It's simple, timeless genius produced with such a light touch, better than any Daft Punk release (IMHO) closely followed by Together- Together (https://youtu.be/ypJhFJKyVQk) (Thomas Bangalter & DJ Falcon).
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Post by: Jockice on May 24, 2020, 12:37:21 PM
I didn't know how much I loved Music Sounds Better With You by Stardust (aka one half of Daft Punk + some mates). It's taken me 20 years to disassociate the track from the memory of being driven to school on a crap drizzly morning - but it's dreamy.

It's okay for you. I'm In Love With A German Filmstar by The Passions is a cracking single. Which will always be connected in my head with looking out of the window in sheer boredom during an art lesson on a freezing day. I don't even know why. It's not as if Mr Gledhill or Miss Tricker played it during the lessons. I might have taken the slightest bit of interest if they had.
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Post by: DJ Bob Hoskins on May 24, 2020, 12:48:03 PM
It's simple, timeless genius produced with such a light touch

A light touch? It's crammed full of all those flashy tricks that French producers became famous for - the pumping side-chain compression, the breakdown bit where it goes all bassy and then a slow filter sweep brings the treble back in, the treated vocals (autotune or possibly vocoder?).

Personally I loved the first Daft Punk album but can't stand this sort of Gallic disco house stuff, a few Justice tracks aside. It all sounds so flashy and samey to me.
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Post by: Pseudopath on May 27, 2020, 08:37:53 PM
I didn't know how much I loved Music Sounds Better With You by Stardust (aka one half of Daft Punk + some mates). It's taken me 20 years to disassociate the track from the memory of being driven to school on a crap drizzly morning - but it's dreamy.

There's a reason why Daft Punk ended their Alive 2007 set with it even though it's not a Daft Punk song. Because it's fucking brilliant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQibjGnn6TE
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Post by: Voltan (Man of Steel) on May 28, 2020, 01:54:29 PM
Paul Birch, my local councillor was (is?) the boss of the Revolver Records whose offices were splashed with paint by those playful Stone Roses scamps in 1990.

(https://i.postimg.cc/FRL6GcJP/2-C0-B3411-1633-4-FB7-B1-B3-B3-F6-AEAA7-D3-F.jpg)  (https://i.postimg.cc/LXxSKjsm/C4456-CFC-8792-47-EF-887-A-E9697-BEB1204.jpg)
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Post by: Better Midlands on May 28, 2020, 04:07:21 PM
A light touch? It's crammed full of all those flashy tricks that French producers became famous for - the pumping side-chain compression, the breakdown bit where it goes all bassy and then a slow filter sweep brings the treble back in, the treated vocals (autotune or possibly vocoder?).

I guess I meant it doesn't have all the bells & whistles that a lot of late 90's club music used, if you listen to this Spacedust bootleg remix (https://youtu.be/SSlwAtwh8JU) that appeared a month after the original Stardust you might get what I mean - it's full of snare rolls/heavier beats/half bar loops that filter sweep etc.
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Post by: buzby on May 28, 2020, 04:13:18 PM
I guess I meant it doesn't have all the bells & whistles that a lot of late 90's club music used, if you listen to this Spacedust bootleg remix (https://youtu.be/SSlwAtwh8JU) that appeared a month after the original Stardust you might get what I mean - it's full of snare rolls/heavier beats/half bar loops that filter sweep etc.
That's because Glasson & Glancy were bandwagon-jumping hacks, and they did it again to Bangalter with Gym Tonic.
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Post by: MiddleRabbit on May 28, 2020, 04:38:33 PM
Paul Birch, my local councillor was (is?) the boss of the Revolver Records whose offices were splashed with paint by those playful Stone Roses scamps in 1990.

(https://i.postimg.cc/FRL6GcJP/2-C0-B3411-1633-4-FB7-B1-B3-B3-F6-AEAA7-D3-F.jpg)  (https://i.postimg.cc/LXxSKjsm/C4456-CFC-8792-47-EF-887-A-E9697-BEB1204.jpg)

Ask him if he's done much canvassing recently.
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Post by: popcorn on May 28, 2020, 04:39:00 PM
That's because Glasson & Glancy were bandwagon-jumping hacks, and they did it again to Bangalter with Gym Tonic.

Where can I read about all this stuff? I don't get what this Music Feels Good With You remix is, or what happened with Gym Tonic.
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Post by: Better Midlands on May 28, 2020, 04:48:58 PM
That's because Glasson & Glancy were bandwagon-jumping hacks, and they did it again to Bangalter with Gym Tonic.

I'm sure a distributor told me they did 20k+ copies of Spacedust - Music Sounds at the time a decent selling UK house track was pushing 5k.
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Post by: Better Midlands on May 28, 2020, 04:52:51 PM
Where can I read about all this stuff? I don't get what this Music Feels Good With You remix is, or what happened with Gym Tonic.

(https://i.imgur.com/6KH296I.jpg)


"We were erroneously credited as the writers on the CD"

Yeah right.
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Post by: popcorn on May 28, 2020, 05:07:15 PM
That's really interesting, thanks a lot for that.

Definitely a hugely suspect story - they named themselves Spacedust after a sweet? uh huhhhhh

But what a badly written article that is though. Sentence subjects get confused all over the place. For example, it describes Chris recording an album and says:

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He borrowed, without permission, some samples from the Jane Fonda album for a track called Gym Tonic and asked Daft Punk’s keyboard player, Thomas Bangalter, who had written the song, to remix it.

Had written what song? Gym Tonic? How did Bangalter get involved?
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Post by: buzby on May 28, 2020, 10:37:06 PM
That's really interesting, thanks a lot for that.

Definitely a hugely suspect story - they named themselves Spacedust after a sweet? uh huhhhhh
We covered the situation with Soacedust ripping off Bangalter & Sinclar's Gym Tonic in this thread (https://www.cookdandbombd.co.uk/forums/index.php/topic,69079.msg3624640.html#msg3624640) back in October 2018. It also mentions  the third Bangalter bootleg collaboration that Glancy was involved with ripping off, Call Me (which was covered in the Winwood 'Valerie' thread (https://www.cookdandbombd.co.uk/forums/index.php/topic,69815.msg3647159.html#msg3647159) around the same time).
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But what a badly written article that is though. Sentence subjects get confused all over the place. For example, it describes Chris recording an album and says:

Had written what song? Gym Tonic? How did Bangalter get involved?
Bangalter recorded the original track for Christophe 'Bob Sinclar' Le Friant's debut album (he has 100% of the publishing rights on the BMI database) on the condition that his name wouldn't be used and that it wasn't released as a single. Here's a translation of  the story from this article on the samples.fr website (http://www.samples.fr/ce-sample-a-lorigine-du-clash-entre-thomas-bangalter-et-bob-sinclar/):
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Back in 1998, on a flight to the Winter Music Conference, Christophe le Friant (Bob Sinclar) met Thomas Bangalter. They hit it off immediately even though they have two very different personalities (Thomas being more introvert and Sinclar being very extrovert). Sinclar with his natural charisma proposes to Thomas to work on a piece together. Sinclar talks to Thomas about his album and the idea seduces Thomas enough for him to accept the proposition. Back in Paris, Sinclar sends a piece of "Bad Mouthin" from Motown Sounds while showing him samples so that he can work on it.

Thomas works on the piece all night and samples and puts over the vocals from Jane Fonda's "Arms". Thomas had this vocal back in his stock for quite awhile. He even thought about using it in one of his own production for the label Roulé. And thus, "Gym Tonic" was born.

To protect his creation, and for form, Thomas whips up a paper that he makes Sinclar sign. Thomas does not even have the rights on the samples from Jane Fonda and Motown Sound... the deal between both of them is this: Thomas gives the piece to Sinclar for his upcoming album under condition that his name does not appear anywhere and, Thomas cannot emphasize this more, that the piece must not be a single. And yet...

A couple months go by, the first feed backs for Sinclar's album arrive. It is a hit within the industry! Only one small problem, it's "Gym Tonic" that makes a hit and not the album.

Taken aback by the success and numerous solicitations, Alain Hô (From Sinclar's label Yellow) explains that Warners (who distributes Yellow's CD's) notices the power of the hit in their music catalogue.

Sinclar feels bad. Not a single but an EP? Why not? He tries - but in vain- to reach Thomas in LA. Same thing with Pedro Winter (Daft Punk's manager at the time): no answer.

Following the pressure from record company, Sinclair cracks under the pressure and release about a 100 EP's destined for "promo only". They will still found themselves on the store shelves and with a big cherry on top, Bangalter's name is features in the credits of "Gym Tonic".

The two new friends start to settle things with lawyers and of course the press eats it up. The clash between both producers is there.

Warner will finally release a "Gym Tonic" on sale, by the producer of Space Dust (sic). the rumour is that Yellow is at the origin of everything that has come to pass. To note that, Bangalter had other samples nabbed from him in the beginning of the early 2000's... Which has been used in another house music hit known by all. Another occasion for another article!

The bit at the end is referring to Warners hearing about Glancy & Glasson's bootleg ripoff (which also incorporates elements of their Stardust ripoff too) and pickingit up to release instead. Sinclar did eventually get the Fonda samples cleared and included the track on his debut album Paradise without Bangalter's permission, and Bangalter hasn't spoken to him since. The other track it alludes to having samples stolen ffom Bangalter is Call Me.
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Post by: popcorn on May 28, 2020, 11:50:26 PM
Thanks Buzby! I forgot the Gym Tonic discussion from that other thread.
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Post by: popcorn on May 29, 2020, 12:23:37 AM
One thing that intrigues me about Music Sounds Better is that there's some sort of disco string element that comes in halfway through, but it's only kind of half-there. It's quite lovely, it's like a sort of vanishing dream of a string element, just little smudges and smears of it.

It sounds like part of a sample but it's not in the main track they sampled (I think), and no other samples are credited. they could have added it through a synth but it doesn't sound like it, and there's quite a detailed interview where one of the guys says exactly what they did for the track and it doesn't sound like they added much to it beyond the vocals, bassline, and 909 drums.
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Post by: buzby on May 29, 2020, 01:30:19 AM
One thing that intrigues me about Music Sounds Better is that there's some sort of disco string element that comes in halfway through, but it's only kind of half-there. It's quite lovely, it's like a sort of vanishing dream of a string element, just little smudges and smears of it.

It sounds like part of a sample but it's not in the main track they sampled (I think), and no other samples are credited. they could have added it through a synth but it doesn't sound like it, and there's quite a detailed interview where one of the guys says exactly what they did for the track and it doesn't sound like they added much to it beyond the vocals, bassline, and 909 drums.
I've heard people suggest that the string stabs you are talking about are actually pitched and treated samples of the guitar notes from the main Chaka Khan sample, which I think might be right.
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Post by: the on May 29, 2020, 01:58:20 AM
I've heard people suggest that the string stabs you are talking about are actually pitched and treated samples of the guitar notes from the main Chaka Khan sample, which I think might be right.

I just did a bit of stereo phase cancellation to hear it better (with you), and they're definitely Philly-esque strings, I'd say it's very likely they're liberated from some disco record. If you pitch the guitar up it doesn't really come anywhere near the sound, the texture is very different and it doesn't hit those stringy frequencies.
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Post by: Jockice on May 29, 2020, 05:57:16 AM
The singer with early 90s Irish comedy band Sultans Of Ping FC is now this.  https://www.kcl.ac.uk/people/niall-oflaherty
As someone who totally fucked up a politics PhD this has plunged me into depression.

And here's Fatima Mansions' drummer. https://www.essex.ac.uk/people/allum73209/nick-allum
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Post by: Jockice on May 29, 2020, 07:03:42 AM
Paul Birch, my local councillor was (is?) the boss of the Revolver Records whose offices were splashed with paint by those playful Stone Roses scamps in 1990.

(https://i.postimg.cc/FRL6GcJP/2-C0-B3411-1633-4-FB7-B1-B3-B3-F6-AEAA7-D3-F.jpg)  (https://i.postimg.cc/LXxSKjsm/C4456-CFC-8792-47-EF-887-A-E9697-BEB1204.jpg)

Which one is he on that second photo?
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Post by: buzby on May 29, 2020, 09:22:43 AM
I just did a bit of stereo phase cancellation to hear it better (with you), and they're definitely Philly-esque strings, I'd say it's very likely they're liberated from some disco record. If you pitch the guitar up it doesn't really come anywhere near the sound, the texture is very different and it doesn't hit those stringy frequencies.
Yeah, I could see that too. It's such a common string phrase from the Philly/early disco era it would be pretty hard to identify the source. Have you seen that video of some bloke recreating the song in Ableton? It's quite funny as they get to 20-odd minutes in (https://youtu.be/XhTe3XJOHic?t=1407) after adding all the other elements when his mate points out that the beat is off because he's truncated the main loop a tad too much.
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Post by: Voltan (Man of Steel) on May 29, 2020, 10:12:08 AM
Which one is he on that second photo?

I’ve just checked and apparently he’s the one on the left. The young lady next to him was his then girlfriend, now his wife and fellow Labour councillor, Olivia Birch.
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Post by: Better Midlands on May 29, 2020, 10:35:44 AM
they're definitely Philly-esque strings, I'd say it's very likely they're liberated from some disco record.

That's what I've always thought, maybe they played from a keyboard and sampled. Everything sounds very SP1200.
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Post by: the on May 29, 2020, 11:45:46 AM
That's what I've always thought, maybe they played from a keyboard and sampled. Everything sounds very SP1200.

Just sounds like four sampled stabs to me. Also they were using bitcrushers (https://youtu.be/9hhVnRTNVmM?t=133) in their effects around then (along with their beloved flanging).
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Post by: buzby on May 29, 2020, 01:24:34 PM
That's what I've always thought, maybe they played from a keyboard and sampled. Everything sounds very SP1200.
The main loop was sampled on Braxe's SP1200:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_GsiAf2qj8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_GsiAf2qj8)
it was sampled from the record played on 45 and pictched up to increase the sampling time, so it gets the SP1200 'crunch' when played back at normal speed. Drums from a 909 (as the sample memory on the SP1200 was full), bassline from a Korg Trident and a bit of Rhodes. The sections were then sampled into an Ensoniq ASR-10 and triggered manually from the keys to sequence the track. Benjamin Diamond's vocals were put through an Alesis 3630 compressor and the final mix out was put through another 3630.
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Post by: popcorn on May 29, 2020, 03:48:59 PM
I just did a bit of stereo phase cancellation to hear it better

Is there an easy way to do that? Like a VST you can get or something? Whenever I've tried doing it to listen to little bits of music isolated I just find fiddly Audible tutorials. I'm sure there used to be a Winamp plug-in that did it.
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Post by: the on May 29, 2020, 04:32:04 PM
Is there an easy way to do that? Like a VST you can get or something? Whenever I've tried doing it to listen to little bits of music isolated I just find fiddly Audible tutorials. I'm sure there used to be a Winamp plug-in that did it.

I'm sure there are many ways to do it, I just used the Utility device in Ableton which seems to be a quick and adjustable way. Turn the stereo width up to 200%, then if necessary phase invert one channel or isolate the left or the right, depending on where the sound you're interested in seems to be clearer.
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Post by: Better Midlands on May 29, 2020, 04:55:41 PM
I'm sure there are many ways to do it, I just used the Utility device in Ableton which seems to be a quick and adjustable way. Turn the stereo width up to 200%, then if necessary phase invert one channel or isolate the left or the right, depending on where the sound you're interested in seems to be clearer.

Have you tried using Spleeter yet the?
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Post by: the on May 29, 2020, 05:21:41 PM
Have you tried using Spleeter yet the?

Considering I've never heard of it until now, no. :)

For production I have methods for isolating stuff and picking apart sounds, these are usually when I'm dealing in samples though. Not really arsed about pulling apart whole tracks (remixes tend to use up ideas you could use for your own stuff, and I'm not that keen on stuff that just leads to more derivatives of established songs).
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Post by: Head Gardener on May 30, 2020, 10:35:05 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/iXtVhTJ.jpg)

The Breeders' Pod album (http://drownedinsound.com/in_depth/4151325-the-fangasm--pod-by-the-breeders) is 30
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Post by: Prison Biscuits on May 30, 2020, 04:16:42 PM
^ Ha, always wondered what the hell that was on the cover.

Was just reading the wikipedia on Mark Oliver Everett (inspired by the ha ha responses in the 'where do eels come from' thread) and this bit, I knew the first part about his dad and sister, but the second paragraph, fuck

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Everett's father, Hugh, died of heart failure when Everett was 19. Mark was the one to find him. His sister, Elizabeth, died by suicide in 1996, and in 1998 his mother, Nancy Everett née Gore, died of lung cancer. Following these tragedies, Everett and the Eels released Electro-Shock Blues in 1998.

His cousin, Jennifer Lewis née Gore, was a flight attendant on the plane that struck The Pentagon during the September 11, 2001 attacks. The plane struck the side of the Pentagon where his father had worked, and Everett remarks in his autobiography that he wonders whether the plane hit his father's old office.
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Post by: pigamus on June 02, 2020, 02:43:14 PM
Robert Palmer was briefly in a supergroup with half of Duran Duran. I always assumed Some Like It Hot was just your common or garden Robert Palmer single, but apparently not. What on earth was the point of that?
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Post by: Better Midlands on June 02, 2020, 04:48:50 PM
What on earth was the point of that?

Cocaine.
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Post by: Artie Fufkin on June 08, 2020, 11:09:12 AM
Ian Broudie from Lighting Seeds and Holly Johnson were in Big In Japan together. I did not know that.
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Post by: buzby on June 08, 2020, 11:41:47 AM
Ian Broudie from Lighting Seeds and Holly Johnson were in Big In Japan together. I did not know that.
Alongside Bill Drummond and Budgie. Clive Langer was also a member before Holly joined, and Holly's role on bass was eventually taken over by David Balfe.
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Post by: Artie Fufkin on June 08, 2020, 02:32:17 PM
Alongside Bill Drummond and Budgie. Clive Langer was also a member before Holly joined, and Holly's role on bass was eventually taken over by David Balfe.
Yes. Meant to mention Budgie. Wowzer! A supergroup that people left to be super.
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Post by: Captain Z on June 08, 2020, 03:38:44 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/6KH296I.jpg)

That's funny, I spent years trying to find out who was behind 'Trailer Trash' to see if I could get hold of an unreleased remix he did, no producer name was ever credited on any of the Perfecto records releases. It was only about 2 years ago that Duncan Glasson's name came up in my searching and I emailed him to ask. He didn't still have it, sadly.
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Post by: Crabwalk on June 15, 2020, 08:52:22 PM
My hat got fucked today when I found out that ‘Superman’ by Black Lace was co-written by a member of Goblin. Keyboardist Claudio Simonetti, to be precise.

Here’s the original that Black Lace covered:

https://youtu.be/wGvUNaZwoy8
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Post by: thecuriousorange on June 15, 2020, 11:10:09 PM
Ian Broudie from Lighting Seeds and Holly Johnson were in Big In Japan together. I did not know that.

Other acts who were big in Japan include The Nolan Sisters and Edward Furlong.
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Post by: JesusAndYourBush on June 18, 2020, 01:41:17 AM
Watching tonights Big Brother best-of thing I learned that "Gangsters Paradise" borrows heavily from a Stevie Wonder song called Pastime Paradise (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H3Sv2zad6s).  Well I never... hat f***ed, etc...
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Post by: kidsick5000 on June 18, 2020, 06:05:41 AM
My hat got fucked today when I found out that ‘Superman’ by Black Lace was co-written by a member of Goblin. Keyboardist Claudio Simonetti, to be precise.

Here’s the original that Black Lace covered:

https://youtu.be/wGvUNaZwoy8

My poor hat!

(also feels like a very My Lovely Horse moment)
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Post by: famethrowa on June 21, 2020, 03:17:19 PM
Drummer for Lou Reed's Transformer? Barry Wom.
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Post by: Ambient Sheep on June 21, 2020, 06:37:24 PM
Wuh?!
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Post by: daf on June 21, 2020, 07:08:43 PM
John Halsey (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Halsey_(musician))

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Best known for his appearance in the television film All You Need is Cash (1978) as Barrington Womble ("Barry Wom") of The Rutles.

In 1972 Halsey played drums on the Lou Reed album Transformer and recorded as a session musician on albums including Mind Your Own Business by Henry McCullough (1975), Back to the Night by Joan Armatrading (1975), Bullinamingvase by Roy Harper (1977), Woman in the Wings by Maddy Prior (1978), and Mail Order Magic by Roger Chapman (1980). He toured with others including Joe Cocker, The Scaffold, Grimms, Chris Jagger, Neil Innes, Viv Stanshall, and Joe Brown.
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Post by: lazyhour on June 21, 2020, 10:25:22 PM
The lyric "I'm as serious as cancer" dates back much further than Snap's "Rhythm Is A Dancer". Can any reader tell me who said it on record about 15 years before this?
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Post by: the on June 21, 2020, 10:33:11 PM
The lyric "I'm as serious as cancer" dates back much further than Snap's "Rhythm Is A Dancer". Can any reader tell me who said it on record about 15 years before this?

Hip hop wise, I know there were lines about "serious as cancer" in Strong Island by JVC Force before Snap!, and in I Ain't No Joke by Eric B & Rakim before that.
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Post by: lazyhour on June 21, 2020, 10:41:47 PM
It can be heard on a track on the mid-70s LP Sex Machine Today by James Brown. There may be an earlier instance but that's the earliest I've heard it!
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Post by: thecuriousorange on June 21, 2020, 11:04:27 PM
I learned today that on Radiohead's first album Pablo Honey, Thom Yorke is credited as Thom E Yorke. Like Mark E Smith. I've never owned an official version with liner notes. Thomas Edward Yorke must have quietly dropped that affectation some time before The Bends.
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Post by: Satchmo Distel on June 23, 2020, 12:14:37 AM
Irene Handl wrote one of the tracks on Songs For Swingin' Sellers, produced by George Martin

https://www.discogs.com/Peter-Sellers-Songs-For-Swingin-Sellers/release/1199826
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Post by: kalowski on June 23, 2020, 07:01:33 AM
I learned today that on Radiohead's first album Pablo Honey, Thom Yorke is credited as Thom E Yorke. Like Mark E Smith. I've never owned an official version with liner notes. Thomas Edward Yorke must have quietly dropped that affectation some time before The Bends.
Joe E Brown (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_E._Brown)
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Post by: phantom_power on June 26, 2020, 07:54:13 PM
Thomas Dolby produced and played on Magic's Wand by Whodini, as well as doing the intro to Waiting For a Girl Like You by Foreigner

The Cedar Room by Doves was heavily influenced by a dance track VSLI Heaven by Epoc 90

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zW-z2N21AJc
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Post by: Fr.Bigley on June 26, 2020, 08:00:34 PM
James Taylor is very close friends with Dennis Taylor.
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Post by: The Culture Bunker on June 26, 2020, 09:02:53 PM
James Taylor is very close friends with Dennis Taylor.
Which one? Ex-junkie wimpy American singer/songwriter, or the English jazz-funk Hammond organ botherer?
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Post by: jenna appleseed on June 30, 2020, 08:08:46 PM
The same people who sang 'Woh we're going to Barbados', wrote I Lost My Heart To A Starship Trooper. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typically_Tropical
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Post by: Dr Rock on June 30, 2020, 08:19:06 PM
My hat got fucked today when I found out that ‘Superman’ by Black Lace was co-written by a member of Goblin. Keyboardist Claudio Simonetti, to be precise.

Here’s the original that Black Lace covered:

https://youtu.be/wGvUNaZwoy8

It may be a miserable Covidean hellscape where the living are envying the dead, but that's cheered me right up.
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Post by: phantom_power on July 01, 2020, 07:18:24 PM
The woman who sang on Cola Boy's 7 Ways To Love is the woman who was (is?) one of Steve Wright's posse on radio 2 (Jamie Lee Grace)
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Post by: Better Midlands on July 01, 2020, 07:27:47 PM
The woman who sang on Cola Boy's 7 Ways To Love is the woman who was (is?) one of Steve Wright's posse on radio 2 (Jamie Lee Grace)

Yep, Cracknall sings on the original (https://youtu.be/0vd0SSRThtA) but it had to be re-recorded for contractual reasons.

Cola Boy seemed like a good sort, he died 10 years ago.

https://heavenly-jukebox.com/2010/11/06/bob-stanley-pays-tribute-to-his-friend-andrew-midgley/
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Post by: George White on July 01, 2020, 08:42:24 PM
My hat got fucked today when I found out that ‘Superman’ by Black Lace was co-written by a member of Goblin. Keyboardist Claudio Simonetti, to be precise.

Here’s the original that Black Lace covered:

https://youtu.be/wGvUNaZwoy8
Similarly, another Italian horror composer, Pino Donaggio wrote and sang, ""Io che non vivo (senza te)" which was heard by Dusty Springfield at the SanRemo festival, and became "You Don't Have to Say You Love Me".
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Post by: Pingers on July 02, 2020, 10:40:49 PM
The Spiders From Mars were actually from Hull. Mick Ronson, Woody Woodmansey and Trevor Bolder (Berlder, presumably). Fuck my hat.

Any sound intel as to whether this is the root of the name for Spiders nightclub much appreciated
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Post by: Fr.Bigley on July 03, 2020, 07:31:57 PM
The Spiders From Mars were actually from Hull. Mick Ronson, Woody Woodmansey and Trevor Bolder (Berlder, presumably). Fuck my hat.

Any sound intel as to whether this is the root of the name for Spiders nightclub much appreciated

I used to live in hull with my ex and I can confirm that spiders was named after the band aye. Those knuckle dragging cunts never stopped banging on about it. I also lived opposite Dave from the housemartins and one NYE pissed him off by whistling caravan of love everytime I went out for a fag and he was out.
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Post by: The Culture Bunker on July 03, 2020, 07:46:35 PM
I used to live in hull with my ex and I can confirm that spiders was named after the band aye. Those knuckle dragging cunts never stopped banging on about it. I also lived opposite Dave from the housemartins and one NYE pissed him off by whistling caravan of love everytime I went out for a fag and he was out.
Given he didn't even perform on 'Caravan of Love', I could understand his irritation for extra reasons.

I worked with a chap who was at Hull uni in the early/mid 80s (who says the Housemartins were probably were probably the 2nd, not 4th, best band in Hull, as he rated Red Guitars higher) and recalled a situation where some Tory oik and his crew were holding some kind of protest on campus. It may have been anti-Mandela, that kind of thing. Heaton strolls into the vicinity for whatever reason, I don't think he was a student, clocks the events and walks over to lamp Tory Boy clean out with one punch.
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Post by: Egyptian Feast on July 04, 2020, 04:00:02 PM
I worked with a chap who was at Hull uni in the early/mid 80s (who says the Housemartins were probably were probably the 2nd, not 4th, best band in Hull, as he rated Red Guitars higher) and recalled a situation where some Tory oik and his crew were holding some kind of protest on campus. It may have been anti-Mandela, that kind of thing. Heaton strolls into the vicinity for whatever reason, I don't think he was a student, clocks the events and walks over to lamp Tory Boy clean out with one punch.

I've heard other stories about his rep for literal Tory bashing. Ledge.
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Post by: Satchmo Distel on July 06, 2020, 02:27:49 PM
I think Ben Watt and Tracey Thorn also went to Hull Uni around 1981-82 and may even have bumped into Philip Larkin in the library.

For many years, I've been confusing the backing track of "This Must Be the Place (Naive Melody)" by Talking Heads with the one for "Rip It Up" by Orange Juice. Both from 1983.
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Post by: studpuppet on July 06, 2020, 03:31:04 PM
I think Ben Watt and Tracey Thorn also went to Hull Uni around 1981-82...

True - my brother's mate was there around that time.

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a6/f4/9a/a6f49a603657097a296330f7141be0ed.jpg)
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Post by: Crabwalk on July 06, 2020, 04:50:20 PM
It's fingered my hat rather than fucked it, but I didn't know that John Leckie produced Mark Owen's 'Green Man', with Dave Gregory of XTC contributing axework.
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Post by: Jockice on July 07, 2020, 08:04:36 PM
David Bowie's dad was from Doncaster.

New page it's a godawful smalltown affair.
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Post by: Artie Fufkin on July 13, 2020, 12:55:51 PM
It's fingered my hat rather than fucked it, but I didn't know that John Leckie produced Mark Owen's 'Green Man', with Dave Gregory of XTC contributing axework.
Please do bow down for the one called the green man
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Post by: SteveDave on July 13, 2020, 01:24:28 PM
It's fingered my hat rather than fucked it, but I didn't know that John Leckie produced Mark Owen's 'Green Man', with Dave Gregory of XTC contributing axework.

Clem Burke drummed on it too.
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Post by: thecuriousorange on July 15, 2020, 09:36:13 PM
I just learned that Rockin Robin wasn't a Jackson 5 record. It was a very early solo Michael Jackson hit.
Fuck my hat.
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Post by: Seedsy on July 15, 2020, 10:09:06 PM
I am utterly ashamed to admit, blinded by the light by mandfed manns earth band is infact a fucking Bruce springsteen song.
Never knew that at all. I hang my head in shame
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Post by: kalowski on July 15, 2020, 10:20:36 PM
I just learned that Rockin Robin wasn't a Jackson 5 record. It was a very early solo Michael Jackson hit.
Fuck my hat.
Originally by Bobby Day (real name Bobby Byrd) but couldn't use his ideal surname as it was already taken by Bobby Byrd (real name Bobby Byrd)
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Post by: Lordofthefiles on August 08, 2020, 09:16:35 PM
This might be an old one, but it's a new one on me...


The beginning of Ted, Just Admit It by Jane's Addiction

https://youtu.be/1CpRCc4Jre8

...is a lift from the beginning of Slightly All The Time by Soft Machine

https://youtu.be/4RwLgA9U_3I
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Post by: Rizla on August 10, 2020, 01:28:45 AM
I only just learned that David "sausage brigade" Bowie's 1967 song The Laughing Gnome wasn't a minor top 20 novelty hit at the time like I thought, but in fact massively flopped on release (ooer)but got to No5 when reissued in 1973 in the wake of Life On Mars being a huge hit. 
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Post by: Norton Canes on August 13, 2020, 10:53:04 AM
Hadn't clocked this, despite having heard the song many times - Manic Street Preachers quote Pat Mills in PCP:

Ten foot sign in Oxford Street
Be pure - be vigilant - behave
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Post by: Glyn on August 13, 2020, 03:06:13 PM
Hadn't clocked this, despite having heard the song many times - Manic Street Preachers quote Pat Mills in PCP:

Ten foot sign in Oxford Street
Be pure - be vigilant - behave


There are a few other 2000 AD Manics cross overs too :
http://jetsimian.blogspot.com/2014/07/comic-strip-reachers.html?m=1
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Post by: Johnboy on August 13, 2020, 09:33:12 PM
Watched disc 4 of live aid last night and hall and oates bring on Eddie Kendricks and Dave Ruffin for a few temptations tunes and it's fucking ace
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Post by: Annie Labuntur on August 14, 2020, 12:36:50 AM
Watched disc 4 of live aid last night and hall and oates bring on Eddie Kendricks and Dave Ruffin for a few temptations tunes and it's fucking ace

They did a pretty good album together.
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Post by: Artie Fufkin on August 19, 2020, 12:43:06 PM
There are a few other 2000 AD Manics cross overs too :
http://jetsimian.blogspot.com/2014/07/comic-strip-reachers.html?m=1
Awesome!
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Post by: Nice Relaxing Poo on August 19, 2020, 03:07:54 PM
I am utterly ashamed to admit, blinded by the light by mandfed manns earth band is infact a fucking Bruce springsteen song.
Never knew that at all. I hang my head in shame

I too had my hat sexually assaulted by this fact and I only discovered it because of the title of the recent film about a young lad who really likes The Boss a lot and finds inspiration in him.
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Post by: Peru on August 20, 2020, 12:56:30 PM
Sally Timms from Mekons used to be married to Fred Arminsen.
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Post by: Artie Fufkin on August 24, 2020, 01:00:22 PM
I too had my hat sexually assaulted by this fact and I only discovered it because of the title of the recent film about a young lad who really likes The Boss a lot and finds inspiration in him.
And what a lovely film it is!
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Post by: Crabwalk on August 25, 2020, 08:12:50 AM
One of the backing singers on Tina Turner’s ‘We Don’t Need Another Hero’ is Lawrence Dallaglio.
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Post by: George White on August 25, 2020, 09:19:26 AM
Paul Shane only sang holiday Rock on the record release.
the version used on Hi-de-Hi was by Ken Barrie, the voice of Postman Pat.
Barrie being a top vocal double/vocal mimic used for various soundalikes.
Barrie also sang the theme to 1980 slasher Silent Scream https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8TQ2s1IfpE&pbjreload=101 doing a very capable impression of 50s black doo-wop/blues.
and more recognisably, the theme to 70s Cornel Wilde gay sharksploiter Sharks' Treasure,  https://youtu.be/RpWjiGm_8Ow?t=5626
he also provided the singing voice of George C Scott in jane Eyre.
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Post by: phantom_power on August 25, 2020, 10:05:43 AM
Sylvia Robinson, who ran the record company that released Rapper's Delight, is the Sylvia from Mickey & Sylvia who sang Love is Strange
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Post by: Better Midlands on August 25, 2020, 10:28:29 AM
Sylvia Robinson, who ran the record company that released Rapper's Delight, is the Sylvia from Mickey & Sylvia who sang Love is Strange

She also had a solo hit with Pillow Talk (https://youtu.be/7JMuh7jFsHA), which is the sexiest song ever.
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Post by: Egyptian Feast on August 25, 2020, 12:49:19 PM
Sylvia Robinson, who ran the record company that released Rapper's Delight, is the Sylvia from Mickey & Sylvia who sang Love is Strange

Hat fucked.

She also had a solo hit with Pillow Talk (https://youtu.be/7JMuh7jFsHA), which is the sexiest song ever.

Jesus, you're not wrong, that is potent! I think I may have to lie down for a bit.
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Post by: phantom_power on August 27, 2020, 03:09:08 PM
St Vincent was in the Polyphonic Spree
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Post by: famethrowa on August 27, 2020, 03:17:38 PM
As of last year, there (was) a Local Hero west end musical with a bunch of new Knopfler songs. I just assumed he was doing bugger all except noodling around on expensive guitars for the last 5 years.
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Post by: Satchmo Distel on September 01, 2020, 09:46:18 PM
"Apple" is pronounced "Ringo" in Japanese

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-Japanese-word-for-apple-What-is-the-correct-pronunciation-for-it
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Post by: popcorn on September 01, 2020, 10:00:33 PM
"Apple" is pronounced "Ringo" in Japanese

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-Japanese-word-for-apple-What-is-the-correct-pronunciation-for-it

so what?

Ringo Starr didn't get his name from that if that's what you're thinking.
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Post by: The Culture Bunker on September 01, 2020, 10:50:56 PM
so what?

Ringo Starr didn't get his name from that if that's what you're thinking.
I'm wondering if he thinks the Beatles called their company Apple because of that, given the John/Yoko connection.
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Post by: Hand Solo on September 01, 2020, 11:13:56 PM
It was John Lennon who used to stupidly say this about Yoko only heard of Ringo because it was Japanese for apple.

She apparently never heard of the Beatles until after she met John, so the meeting at the art gallery wasn't entirely engineered by her to score a Beatle.

John was a stupid cunt.
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Post by: Satchmo Distel on September 01, 2020, 11:24:22 PM
The Beatles called their company Apple and at the press conference in New York, John mentioned that Apple was Ringo in Japanese. And this was around the time the affair with Yoko went public. Basically some amusing coincidences. It fucked my hat when I read about it but obviously other people's hats could stay unfucked - these things are subjective.
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Post by: Hand Solo on September 01, 2020, 11:37:38 PM
Paul named Apple because he said it's the first thing kids learn in school.. A is for apple.

John just added the coincidence that it was Ringo in Japanese because Yoko told him that, as that's the only way she'd have heard of the name Ringo because of course she'd never heard of the world famous Beatles while she was in the central Bohemian art hub of the world in New York or London for years and they were always on TV or in the media. No, she only heard of them after meeting John Lennon purely by chance and him telling her. Lennon was still repeating all this in the mid 70s on chat shows, stupid cunt.
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Post by: popcorn on September 01, 2020, 11:41:04 PM
The Beatles called their company Apple and at the press conference in New York, John mentioned that Apple was Ringo in Japanese. And this was around the time the affair with Yoko went public. Basically some amusing coincidences. It fucked my hat when I read about it but obviously other people's hats could stay unfucked - these things are subjective.

Well just so long as you know it's all just a coincidence and don't go around telling people LIES that it's ALL CONNECTED you can do what you like with your hat.
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Post by: famethrowa on September 02, 2020, 01:01:30 AM
Pretty sure that John had been sitting on the "Apple Corps" joke for years, him and Paul could not resist a shit gag, and here was the big chance to force everyone to laugh at their lame pun.
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Post by: Twonty Gostelow on September 02, 2020, 01:34:53 AM
Paul coined it as a reference to the "Michelle, m'apple" line, you idiots.
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Post by: Hand Solo on September 02, 2020, 01:46:30 AM
Just as long as everyone is on the same page Yoko is a talentless cunt who manipulated a post-cynical LSD-ego destruction John Lennon into a motherless babyman who went along with anything that she said despite it being obvious horseshit to manipulate her career.
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Post by: Twonty Gostelow on September 02, 2020, 02:03:30 AM
I think "talentless cunt" is unfair, but I recently watched both the Dick Cavett shows they were on, and the combination of Cavett trying a little too hard to accommodate her and even Lennon's occasional barely suppressed discomfort at some of her contributions makes it awkward viewing.
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Post by: DrGreggles on September 02, 2020, 09:26:31 AM
John just added the coincidence that it was Ringo in Japanese because Yoko told him that, as that's the only way she'd have heard of the name Ringo because of course she'd never heard of the world famous Beatles while she was in the central Bohemian art hub of the world in New York or London for years and they were always on TV or in the media. No, she only heard of them after meeting John Lennon purely by chance and him telling her. Lennon was still repeating all this in the mid 70s on chat shows, stupid cunt.

Some people have never heard of George Ezra, y'know.
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Post by: JaDanketies on September 02, 2020, 03:04:23 PM
"You're making me dizzy, my head is spinning..."

The version I'm most familiar with was sang by none other than Vic Reeves, alongside some britrock band I've never heard of. It's a cover.
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Post by: The Culture Bunker on September 02, 2020, 03:10:42 PM
"You're making me dizzy, my head is spinning..."

The version I'm most familiar with was sang by none other than Vic Reeves, alongside some britrock band I've never heard of. It's a cover.
At the time, I remember a friend's dad telling us about the original, how it was better and then playing the Tommy Roe single that he'd bought as a youth. Nine year old oiks that we were, we rolled our eyes and said we preferred the Vic Reeves version.

30 years on, I'd say the old lad was right.
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Post by: boki on September 03, 2020, 12:22:05 PM
Finally got around to listening to Yellow Magic Orchestra the last couple of days, and halfway through the Solid State Survivor album comes a familiar keyboard line.  Is that Behind The Mask?  Sure enough it is, I'm about to start formulating this post when the next track comes on, a cover of The Beatles Day Tripper.  Oh, so maybe the song's even older and YMO were covering it?  Quick trip to you know where (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behind_the_Mask_(song)) shows that theirs is in fact the original version of the song only known to me as an Enoch Clapton joint. 

But wait - this hat's getting DP-ed!  The Clapton version is a cover of a cover, being his rendition of an unreleased version by Michael Bloody Jackson ffs!
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Post by: boki on September 03, 2020, 12:24:15 PM
At the time, I remember a friend's dad telling us about the original, how it was better and then playing the Tommy Roe single that he'd bought as a youth. Nine year old oiks that we were, we rolled our eyes and said we preferred the Vic Reeves version.

30 years on, I'd say the old lad was right.
Oh, god no!  If ever a recording benefited from the early 90s' abundance of recreational stimulants, it was this version.  Kudos to whoever saw potential in that blummin plodder!
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Post by: daf on September 03, 2020, 12:35:43 PM
unreleased version by Michael Bloody Jackson ffs!

Unreleased 1982 version intended for Thriller (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOFOalCHdb0)  |  Remixed version from 2010 album 'Michael (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bOkWTprifg)' (hee-haw, jambon, etc.)
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Post by: Phil_A on September 03, 2020, 04:19:14 PM
Finally got around to listening to Yellow Magic Orchestra the last couple of days, and halfway through the Solid State Survivor album comes a familiar keyboard line.  Is that Behind The Mask?  Sure enough it is, I'm about to start formulating this post when the next track comes on, a cover of The Beatles Day Tripper.  Oh, so maybe the song's even older and YMO were covering it?  Quick trip to you know where (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behind_the_Mask_(song)) shows that theirs is in fact the original version of the song only known to me as an Enoch Clapton joint. 

But wait - this hat's getting DP-ed!  The Clapton version is a cover of a cover, being his rendition of an unreleased version by Michael Bloody Jackson ffs!

Clapton also decided to turn it into a rip-off of Gimme Shelter for some reason
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Post by: buzby on September 04, 2020, 09:42:53 AM
Finally got around to listening to Yellow Magic Orchestra the last couple of days, and halfway through the Solid State Survivor album comes a familiar keyboard line.  Is that Behind The Mask?  Sure enough it is, I'm about to start formulating this post when the next track comes on, a cover of The Beatles Day Tripper.  Oh, so maybe the song's even older and YMO were covering it?  Quick trip to you know where (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behind_the_Mask_(song)) shows that theirs is in fact the original version of the song only known to me as an Enoch Clapton joint. 

But wait - this hat's getting DP-ed!  The Clapton version is a cover of a cover, being his rendition of an unreleased version by Michael Bloody Jackson ffs!
From the BBC4 TOTP thread when it was repeated last January:
It's a cover of a Ryuichi Sakamoto/Yellow Magic Orchestra song called Behind The Mask, which had English lyrics written by Chris Mosdell (it had started out as a jingle written by Sakamoto for a Seiko advert).  Quincy Jones was a fan of the song and  brought it to Michael Jackson. He recorded a cover with new lyrics he'd written during the Thriller sessions, but it wasn't released as they couldn't come to an agreement with Sakamoto's publishers over royalties.

Greg Phillinganes, Jackson's keyboard player, included a version of Jackson's cover on his Pulse album in 1985 and released it as a single, but it wasn't a hit.  Phillinganes was hired as a session keyboard player on Clapton's 1986 album August, (produced by Phil Collins) and he played his cover to Clapton during the sessions.  Clapton liked it and decided to record a version, with Phillinganes on keyboards and Collins on drums & backing vocals (along with Katie Kissoon & Tessa Niles). Despite only rewriting some of Mosdell's lyrics, Jackson got 50% of the royalties on this cover.
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Post by: studpuppet on September 06, 2020, 06:18:10 PM
Pauline Moran (Ms. Lemon from Poirot with that David Suchet, and scary, screaming Woman In Black from that ITV drama that's just come out on Blu-Ray) was in an all-female band called She Trinity (http://www.marmalade-skies.co.uk/She%20Trinity.htm?LMCL=D48r_W).
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Post by: daf on September 06, 2020, 07:34:19 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/0QfhPpt.jpg)  (https://i.imgur.com/PDccDsd.jpg)
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Post by: shh on September 07, 2020, 09:53:20 AM
Just heard a song with 80s-sounding production values in the co op, with a chorus 'she's an easy lover'. It was a pastiche all along!!
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Post by: Famous Mortimer on September 08, 2020, 02:28:30 PM
En Vogue did a version of "Free Your Mind" for the 1992 Barcelona Olympics tie-in album, with completely different lyrics, and even did a video of them singing it (which is, admittedly, the same as the regular video, but they're definitely singing the other version).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NM6iIF6kyVo
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Post by: sutin on September 08, 2020, 10:44:39 PM
Joe Rooney, AKA Father Damo Lennon was in an Irish c86/jangle pop band called Guernica who released a few records.
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Post by: justin_bennett on September 11, 2020, 11:46:18 AM
Tory cunt Grant Shapps is the brother of Andre Shapps who was in Big Audio Dynamite II, and both are cousins of Mick Jones.
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Post by: Better Midlands on September 14, 2020, 08:20:15 PM
The vocal on novelty UK Garage hit Deekline - I Don't Smoke was a Marcus Brigstocke sample.

https://www.whosampled.com/sample/266788/Deekline-I-Don%27t-Smoke-Barking-Air-Pilot/
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Post by: owlboy on September 29, 2020, 06:18:06 PM
While recording Daydream in 1995, Mariah Carey recorded and released a secret Grunge album under the name Chick.

"I created an alter-ego artist and her Ziggy Stardust-like spoof band. My character was a dark-haired brooding Goth girl who wrote and sang ridiculous tortured songs."

Hat well and truly fucked...: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iV45sHkgwXA
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Post by: Better Midlands on September 29, 2020, 07:28:58 PM
While recording Daydream in 1995, Mariah Carey recorded and released a secret Grunge album under the name Chick.

"I created an alter-ego artist and her Ziggy Stardust-like spoof band. My character was a dark-haired brooding Goth girl who wrote and sang ridiculous tortured songs."

Hat well and truly fucked...: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iV45sHkgwXA

I'm pretty impressed that this was kept under wraps for 25 years.
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Post by: Pingers on October 02, 2020, 11:23:11 PM
House legend Marshall Jefferson lived in Billericay for 5 years. Fucking Jesus Christ.
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Post by: Nice Relaxing Poo on October 20, 2020, 08:26:34 AM
Stevie Wonder's full first name is Stevland. This one fucked my hat like a jackhammer.
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Post by: JesusAndYourBush on October 20, 2020, 12:12:29 PM
Stevie Wonder's full first name is Stevland. This one fucked my hat like a jackhammer.

I was going to reply - "Yes, that sounds like a gag when you first hear it, like when Lenny Henry jokes that his real name is Lenworth" - but then I went to wiki and Lenny Henry's first name really is Lenworth.  Hat Fucked².
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Post by: buzby on October 20, 2020, 08:44:24 PM
Stevie Wonder's full first name is Stevland. This one fucked my hat like a jackhammer.
And his surname is Morris, which once led to Stephen Morris from New Order being mistaken for him in a hotel while on tour in the US.
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Post by: kalowski on October 20, 2020, 09:43:59 PM
And his surname is Morris...
... although he was born Stevland Judkins.

And whilst I can't find a picture of it, he signed the booklet for Songs in the Key of Life as Stevland.
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Post by: Famous Mortimer on October 21, 2020, 09:48:07 PM
While recording Daydream in 1995, Mariah Carey recorded and released a secret Grunge album under the name Chick.

"I created an alter-ego artist and her Ziggy Stardust-like spoof band. My character was a dark-haired brooding Goth girl who wrote and sang ridiculous tortured songs."

Hat well and truly fucked...: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iV45sHkgwXA
Video deleted :(

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1pCtaeo3_0

It sounds nothing at all like her - did she just write and do backing vocals? I could look this up myself, I guess.
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Post by: Satchmo Distel on November 14, 2020, 12:25:43 PM
Harold Wilson's pop royalties (Wiki):

Quote
In 1967, Wilson sued the pop group The Move for libel after the band's manager Tony Secunda published a promotional postcard for the single "Flowers in the Rain", featuring a caricature depicting Wilson in bed with Falkender. Wilson won the case, and all royalties from the song were assigned in perpetuity to a charity of Wilson's choosing.

BBC: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/6960296.stm
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Post by: daf on November 14, 2020, 12:30:12 PM
The Postcard :
(https://i.imgur.com/DYKx5VZ.jpg)  (https://i.imgur.com/WCYN3DO.jpg)

Close up view :
(https://i.imgur.com/PcaN2bg.jpg)
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Post by: sirhenry on November 14, 2020, 03:01:56 PM
Harold Wilson's pop royalties (Wiki):

BBC: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/6960296.stm
Wonderful stuff, Satchmo. More of the story here: https://davidsononline.co.uk/i-shot-the-move/ (https://davidsononline.co.uk/i-shot-the-move/)
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Post by: non capisco on November 14, 2020, 05:39:54 PM
Revealed on this week's episode of The Head Ballet podcast featuring one time CaB regular Braintree as the guest: Destiny's Child's first foray into the UK pop charts was as backing singers on a Hall and Oates cover by Coronation Street actor Matthew Marsden.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phxMeLpTLaM

I wonder if Beyonce still puts that on her CV.

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Post by: studpuppet on November 14, 2020, 06:18:07 PM
Tom 'Inspiral' Hingley's dad, Ronald, was a renowned translator of Russian and an Oxford don. If you've read any Chekhov, Dostoyevsky, Pasternak or Solzhenitsyn you're likely to have read one of his translations.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EWiOfU7XsAAIcik.jpg)
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Post by: phantom_power on November 14, 2020, 09:46:29 PM
Mark Eitzel if American Music Club wrote a song about Mr Humphries from Are You Being Served
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Post by: Better Midlands on November 15, 2020, 01:57:15 AM
Revealed on this week's episode of The Head Ballet podcast featuring one time CaB regular Braintree as the guest: Destiny's Child's first foray into the UK pop charts was as backing singers on a Hall and Oates cover by Coronation Street actor Matthew Marsden.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phxMeLpTLaM

I wonder if Beyonce still puts that on her CV.

Not quite true, they'd got to #5 earlier that year with No No No.
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Post by: thecuriousorange on November 15, 2020, 02:30:44 AM
I was going to reply - "Yes, that sounds like a gag when you first hear it, like when Lenny Henry jokes that his real name is Lenworth" - but then I went to wiki and Lenny Henry's first name really is Lenworth.  Hat Fucked².

I've fucked several people's hats with the Willard Smith fact.
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Post by: Crabwalk on November 16, 2020, 12:07:03 AM
Mark Eitzel if American Music Club wrote a song about Mr Humphries from Are You Being Served

Worth a link to the song, since it's brilliant and only has a few hundred youtube views:

https://youtu.be/sURKO9dY5Ns (https://youtu.be/sURKO9dY5Ns)

Produced by Bernard Butler btw, who also plays lead guitar on the track.
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Post by: The Culture Bunker on November 16, 2020, 11:21:25 AM
I've fucked several people's hats with the Willard Smith fact.
I think I was a bit surprised when I found that out because his character in the Fresh Prince of Bel Air was called William Smith.
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Post by: Artie Fufkin on November 16, 2020, 12:38:53 PM
Apologies if this has already been done; Moby is called Moby because he's related to Herman Melville. Well (whale) I never!
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Post by: Crabwalk on November 16, 2020, 12:40:08 PM
Also: he’s a dick.
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Post by: studpuppet on November 16, 2020, 08:11:09 PM
The Damned wrote ‘Nasty’ specifically for their episode of The Young Ones.

http://www.dirtyfeed.org/2020/11/the-young-ones-music-guide-series-two/ (http://www.dirtyfeed.org/2020/11/the-young-ones-music-guide-series-two/)
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Post by: Brundle-Fly on November 21, 2020, 09:08:09 PM
Tonight, I have discovered that a one-off 7" single I purchased and really enjoyed from 2004 by the terribly monikered, Volcano, I'm Still Excited!! was the brainchild of Mark Duplass who has created my favorite horror film franchise of recent times, Creep (2014) and Creep 2 (2017), Creep 3 in the works.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qchh1maUyzM

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/800x600q90/922/ctgI5G.png)
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Post by: lazyhour on November 22, 2020, 07:44:53 PM
Glad to see another Creep fan!

Not massively hat-fucky, but here's a contribution to the thread: Phil Collins' homelessness hit "Another Day In Paradise" features backing vocals from David Crosby of CSN&Y. Why?!

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Post by: famethrowa on November 22, 2020, 10:41:06 PM
Glad to see another Creep fan!

Not massively hat-fucky, but here's a contribution to the thread: Phil Collins' homelessness hit "Another Day In Paradise" features backing vocals from David Crosby of CSN&Y. Why?!

Love it when rock legends show up as hired gun backing vocals on disparate stuff. How about uber shredder Joe Satriani doing backing vocals on the Crowded House debut album?
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Post by: The Culture Bunker on November 22, 2020, 11:36:26 PM
Love it when rock legends show up as hired gun backing vocals on disparate stuff. How about uber shredder Joe Satriani doing backing vocals on the Crowded House debut album?
Oft-mentioned on here, of course, but such as the Jesus and Mary Chain doing the "guilty!" shouts on Erasure's hit single 'Drama!'
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Post by: buzby on November 23, 2020, 12:21:15 AM
Glad to see another Creep fan!

Not massively hat-fucky, but here's a contribution to the thread: Phil Collins' homelessness hit "Another Day In Paradise" features backing vocals from David Crosby of CSN&Y. Why?!
Because Phil was a fan of Crosby (he wanted him to sing on Face Value in 1981 but Crosby was unavailable). They met when Genesis and CS&N appeared in Atlantic's 40th Anniversary concert in New York in 1988 and became friends..

crosby featured on two tracks on '...But Seriously', the other being That's Just The Way It Is (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zP7pgInSybI&feature=emb_logo). Collins would produce, co-write and duet with Crosby on the track Hero from Crosby's 1993 album Thousand Roads, and in 1994 he paid $3 million for Crosby's liver transplant.
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Post by: Gregory Torso on November 23, 2020, 01:53:10 AM
Tonight, I have discovered that a one-off 7" single I purchased and really enjoyed from 2004 by the terribly monikered, Volcano, I'm Still Excited!! was the brainchild of Mark Duplass who has created my favorite horror film franchise of recent times, Creep (2014) and Creep 2 (2017), Creep 3 in the works.

I really like Mark Duplass and the Creep films and I remember the name "Volcano I'm Still Excited" thus therefore, I enjoyed this hat fucked fact a lot!
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Post by: Gregory Torso on November 23, 2020, 02:24:16 AM
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Post by: famethrowa on November 23, 2020, 10:14:47 AM
Drummer on Leo Sayer's plinky-plonky banjo jam Long Tall Glasses? Prog master Michael Giles, invoker of the Crimson King.
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Post by: JaDanketies on November 23, 2020, 10:51:10 AM
When P!nk tells us she is coming up so you better get this party started, she's not talking about coming up the stairs. It's about drugs.
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Post by: JesusAndYourBush on November 23, 2020, 11:41:33 AM
Conversely when Rachel Sweet introduces the song "Who Does Lisa Like?" in live appearances and mentions "who's taking what?"(as one of the topics of discussion in the school car park) I realised recently she's referring to school subjects not drugs!
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Post by: JaDanketies on November 23, 2020, 12:05:10 PM
And when Blondie released 'I'm on E' as a b-side to Denis, they weren't talking about the drug, although I don't have a clue what they were talking about. I only know they weren't talking about ecstasy because it was released three years before the name was coined.
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Post by: The Culture Bunker on November 23, 2020, 12:23:42 PM
And when Blondie released 'I'm on E' as a b-side to Denis, they weren't talking about the drug, although I don't have a clue what they were talking about. I only know they weren't talking about ecstasy because it was released three years before the name was coined.
Maybe she was dossing round New Jersey, looking for Bruce's mates.
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Post by: SpiderChrist on November 23, 2020, 12:55:53 PM
And when Blondie released 'I'm on E' as a b-side to Denis, they weren't talking about the drug, although I don't have a clue what they were talking about. I only know they weren't talking about ecstasy because it was released three years before the name was coined.

My copy of Denis has Kung Fu Girls and Contact In Red Square on the B-side.

(https://img.discogs.com/ttpYRJqXymSkmS3Z3VEpqJhFHKw=/fit-in/600x592/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-300759-1491711574-1742.jpeg.jpg)
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Post by: phantom_power on November 23, 2020, 01:02:18 PM
ZZ Top started out as a fake version of The Zombies who their American record company set up to promote a single (Time of the Season) that became a hit after they split up
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Post by: Better Midlands on November 23, 2020, 01:04:59 PM
My copy of Denis has Kung Fu Girls and Contact In Red Square on the B-side.


US release has it, even when ecstasy was known as "E" here in America it was shortened to "X".
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Post by: Annie Labuntur on November 23, 2020, 01:11:09 PM
And when Blondie released 'I'm on E' as a b-side to Denis, they weren't talking about the drug, although I don't have a clue what they were talking about.

(https://i.imgur.com/f8EreCo.png)

Something about being out of action because she got rid of her car and is dead on her feet.
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Post by: sirhenry on November 23, 2020, 01:26:00 PM
And Blondie's Heart of Glass is about dumping a guy because of his obsession with anal sex: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56_tMgR3FXw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56_tMgR3FXw)
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Post by: NoSleep on November 23, 2020, 06:44:39 PM
Miles Davis' Live/Evil is my most-played album of all time, and one of the reasons for that is the incredible performance of Keith Jarrett, compelled by Miles Davis to play electric piano and organ rather than his usual acoustic piano. So something unique in its way.

Just today I found out that he and Miles' drummer of that time, Jack Dejohnette, found themselves free to record an album, in between dates, and took the same keyboards (clearly, as the electric piano has the same notes out of tune as on Live/Evil, which Jarrett uses as a feature) with them to the studio, which was later mixed by Manfred Eicher and released in 1973. So more of that same uniqueness after almost 50 years of listening to Live/Evil (the complete Cellar Door sessions aside).

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3f/Ruta_and_Daitya.jpg)
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Post by: Famous Mortimer on November 23, 2020, 10:13:56 PM
When P!nk tells us she is coming up so you better get this party started, she's not talking about coming up the stairs. It's about drugs.
"Everybody's waiting for me to arrive", another lyric in the same song, would seem to argue the "up the stairs" thing.
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Post by: The Culture Bunker on November 23, 2020, 10:23:49 PM
"Everybody's waiting for me to arrive", another lyric in the same song, would seem to argue the "up the stairs" thing.
Maybe the singer is the one with the drugs?

"I'm your operator, you can call anytime
I'll be your connection to the party line"
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Post by: JaDanketies on November 23, 2020, 10:24:24 PM
"Everybody's waiting for me to arrive", another lyric in the same song, would seem to argue the "up the stairs" thing.

Someone on the internet 18 years ago explains:


First of all "coming up" is slang for when you start to get high on ecstasy.

"Everbody's waiting for me to arrive" - because they want to buy some pills.

"I can go for miles if you know what I mean" - ecstasy lets you keep going all night.

"Making my connection as i enter the room" - letting people know there are pills for sale.

"Everybody's chillen as i set up the groove" - people aren't dancing hard, because they're not high yet.

"I'm your operator you can call anytime / I'll be your connection to the party line" - inviting people to phone up and buy pills.
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Post by: famethrowa on November 23, 2020, 10:39:51 PM
ZZ Top started out as a fake version of The Zombies who their American record company set up to promote a single (Time of the Season) that became a hit after they split up

Wow I did not know that, good one. With no keyboard player too, those stinkers!
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Post by: AsparagusTrevor on November 24, 2020, 02:37:00 PM
Someone on the internet 18 years ago explains:


First of all "coming up" is slang for when you start to get high on ecstasy.

"Everbody's waiting for me to arrive" - because they want to buy some pills.

"I can go for miles if you know what I mean" - ecstasy lets you keep going all night.

"Making my connection as i enter the room" - letting people know there are pills for sale.

"Everybody's chillen as i set up the groove" - people aren't dancing hard, because they're not high yet.

"I'm your operator you can call anytime / I'll be your connection to the party line" - inviting people to phone up and buy pills.

Was this somone Tommy Vance?
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Post by: JaDanketies on November 24, 2020, 02:53:30 PM
Was this somone Tommy Vance?

songmeanings.com poster wwwill on July 30, 2002.

The song was written by the frontwoman from Three Non Blondes anyway and I don't think she's confirmed what she was talking about. Maybe she didn't even write the lyrics. It might always be a mystery. I defer to wwwill, he sounds pretty confident.
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Post by: Famous Mortimer on November 24, 2020, 02:54:28 PM
Maybe the singer is the one with the drugs?

"I'm your operator, you can call anytime
I'll be your connection to the party line"
You're probably right.
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Post by: phantom_power on November 25, 2020, 08:51:54 AM
This might be very specific to my spheres of interest but The Flowerpot Men who's Beat City appeared in Ferris Bueller's Day Off later became Sunsonic, who had a minor hit in 1990 with A Kind of Loving. And one of them is one of the main people in Juno Reactor as well
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Post by: Better Midlands on November 25, 2020, 11:02:11 AM
This might be very specific to my spheres of interest but The Flowerpot Men who's Beat City appeared in Ferris Bueller's Day Off later became Sunsonic, who had a minor hit in 1990 with A Kind of Loving. And one of them is one of the main people in Juno Reactor as well

I liked the Oakenfold remixes of A Kind Of Loving, it sounded like a cross between The Shamen & The Beloved.
I didn't know they had a track on FBDO so I mark this post as interesting.
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Post by: Darles Chickens on November 25, 2020, 01:30:37 PM
Today I learnt that George Michael was involved in an album called "Outrageous" by his cousin's band, Boogie Box High, released in 1989.

(https://img.discogs.com/p-v_LdBP-ZIdgTBbNvTDaUSkfdo=/fit-in/600x450/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-3383785-1354731140-6052.jpeg.jpg) (https://img.discogs.com/zZbnNofDf3Qe1iVzJft_CMJ1pks=/fit-in/600x450/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-3383785-1354731150-8643.jpeg.jpg)

He wasn't credited in the album due to contractual obligations to Epic Records, although two songs he wrote for it are variously credited under the pseudonyms "T. Harris" / "H. Hoskyns" / "Harris Hoskyns Music".

Here's their only charting single from 1987, a very straight cover of the Bee Gees' Jive Talkin', definitely not George on vocals, oh no.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aCwjpYOsls

And one of the George-penned songs, "Soul Boy" (not clear if this was its original recording, originally intended for the debut Wham album, or whether this is taken from the Boogie Box High album):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGlgore8LD0

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Post by: Crabwalk on November 25, 2020, 02:05:00 PM
It was the worst-kept secret in pop when 'Jive Talkin'' became a hit!
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Post by: Darles Chickens on November 25, 2020, 02:25:46 PM
Despite being an pop music-obsessed 11-12 year old in 1987, I never, ever heard that Jive Talkin' cover (until today).  Perhaps it was just one of those tracks that my local radio station never picked up, for whatever reason.  It reached number 7 in the charts as well, so hardly obscure.
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Post by: McChesney Duntz on November 25, 2020, 11:08:28 PM
Any story behind the apparent band name change between sides 1 and 2?
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Post by: buzby on November 26, 2020, 01:35:08 AM
Today I learnt that George Michael was involved in an album called "Outrageous" by his cousin's band, Boogie Box High, released in 1989.
[It also featured Nick Heyward on guitar, Mick Talbot on keyboards and Wham!'s bassist Deon Estus. The album was never released in the UK, only in The US and Japan.
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And one of the George-penned songs, "Soul Boy" (not clear if this was its original recording, originally intended for the debut Wham album, or whether this is taken from the Boogie Box High album):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGlgore8LD0
That's not the BBH version of Soul Boy, it's the Wham! demo.  The version on Outrageous sounds more like a Heaven 17 song, with a recurring melody using an Emulator-sampled vocal and it definitely has Andros on vocals, not Georgios (despite what Discogs says - anyone with ears can tell it's not George singing it). The other track George gave him for the the album, Golden Soul, was also a leftover (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sx_AIoSqZMQ) from Wham's debut album sessions (and you can see why, it's pretty rubbish).

George did sing on their second single Gave It All Away (which only reached #88 in the UK charts) but they appeared on TopPop in the Netherlands performing it, obviously minus George but all wearing masks and  T-shirts in the style of Wham's Choose Life shirts:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZQGCgFu_r4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZQGCgFu_r4)
He allegedly appears in the video for the track though, but they deliberately only show glimpses of the band's faces:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_m2hv3TDdUU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_m2hv3TDdUU)
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Post by: The Culture Bunker on November 26, 2020, 09:57:40 AM
It also featured Nick Heyward on guitar
That nearly surprised me, but I think I'm right in saying Heyward supported Wham! at their last gig at Wembley, so there was a prior connection between him and George.
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Post by: Darles Chickens on November 26, 2020, 10:34:07 AM
That's not the BBH version of Soul Boy, it's the Wham! demo.  The version on Outrageous sounds more like a Heaven 17 song, with a recurring melody using an Emulator-sampled vocal and it definitely has Andros on vocals, not Georgios (despite what Discogs says - anyone with ears can tell it's not George singing it).

Right - I thought it sounded very much like other tracks from the Fantastic era, and frankly I'd rather have that track than their cover of Love Machine.  I wonder where it was originally leaked from (everything on YouTube seems to come from the same low quality source).  Meanwhile the BBH version seems to be completely absent from the internet.

The other track George gave him for the the album, Golden Soul, was also a leftover (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sx_AIoSqZMQ) from Wham's debut album sessions (and you can see why, it's pretty rubbish).

Yes, that's a terrible track.  Apparently, before Wham, they were in a band called The Executive, playing Ska/2-Tone type tracks, and that sounds like something of a relic from then.

George did sing on their second single Gave It All Away (which only reached #88 in the UK charts) but they appeared on TopPop in the Netherlands performing it, obviously minus George but all wearing masks and  T-shirts in the style of Wham's Choose Life shirts:

I actually don't think that's George singing, even though it sounds very much like him.  I think it's actually David Austin, a longtime collaborator of his, who happens to have an extremely similar voice and vocal style.  Here's George introducing David Austin doing a song which sounds exactly like a Wham song, with vocals which sound exactly like George Michael's (on Cheggers Plays Pop):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gusIVyLwVFA
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Post by: buzby on November 26, 2020, 10:47:42 AM
Right - I thought it sounded very much like other tracks from the Fantastic era, and frankly I'd rather have that track than their cover of Love Machine.  I wonder where it was originally leaked from (everything on YouTube seems to come from the same low quality source).  Meanwhile the BBH version seems to be completely absent from the internet.
It looks like those two demos leaked around 2010-11 from the same source. From the sound quality I'd say thay came from a nth-generation copy of a  'work in progress' demo cassette that was made while they were doing the prep work for Fantastic.

The BBH album is available from at least one MP3 blog via a Mediafire link. The one I got it from flagged up all kinds of trojan warnings from Avast though, so I wont link to it but seek and ye shall find.
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Post by: Darles Chickens on November 26, 2020, 11:04:19 AM
Got it!  Thanks for the tip (and thanks to Google for the cached version!).
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Post by: JesusAndYourBush on November 26, 2020, 12:24:42 PM
Despite being an pop music-obsessed 11-12 year old in 1987, I never, ever heard that Jive Talkin' cover (until today).  Perhaps it was just one of those tracks that my local radio station never picked up, for whatever reason.  It reached number 7 in the charts as well, so hardly obscure.

I remember that cover of Jive Talkin', and knowing at the time that "Boogie Box High is George Michael under another name" (I can see by recent posts it's more nuanced than that, but that's how I understood it at the time), so George's involvement was definitely no secret.
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Post by: Famous Mortimer on December 07, 2020, 02:05:34 PM
For a lot of years, I assumed the lyric from The Dead Milkmen's "Punk Rock Girl" was either a reference to how naive the narrator was, or was factually incorrect:

"And someone played a Beach Boys song on the jukebox
It it was California Dreamin'
So we started screamin'
On such a winter's day"

But, of course, the Beach Boys recorded a version of it in 1986, for their greatest hits record, and it's even referenced in the Wikipedia article for the song:

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The Beach Boys recorded "California Dreamin'" in 1986 for their greatest hits compilation Made in U.S.A. It was produced by Terry Melcher and featured Roger McGuinn of The Byrds on 12-string guitar. Denny Doherty was on the East coast and declined; Cass Elliot had died in 1974. This version of the song was referenced in the lyrics of the Dead Milkmen's 1988 novelty hit "Punk Rock Girl".

Quite how many jukebox spins this particular version got is a matter for debate, but hat fucked.

EDIT: I also just found out "Punk Rock Girl" has a music video, which manages to add layers to the tale. The couplet "it makes no sense / your Dad is the vice president" is sung while our narrator is at his girlfriend's home, and it's a filthy hovel; and then -

"We got into her car away, we started rollin'
I said how much you pay for this
Said "nothin' man it's stolen"

But he's driving the car, which doesn't really fit the lyrics. Perhaps the punk rock girl they hired for the shoot couldn't drive?
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Post by: Dr Rock on December 07, 2020, 03:49:16 PM
'if you don't got Mojo Nixon then your store could use some fixin'

One of my fave lyrics.
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Post by: famethrowa on December 08, 2020, 01:38:16 AM
'if you don't got Mojo Nixon then your store could use some fixin'

One of my fave lyrics.

From the funny pages:

(https://i.imgur.com/od8yd2Q.jpg)
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Post by: phantom_power on December 08, 2020, 08:39:17 AM
Momus is the cousin of the lead singer of Del Amitri
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Post by: The Culture Bunker on December 08, 2020, 09:08:45 AM
Momus is the cousin of the lead singer of Del Amitri
He (Momus) wrote a bit about their family connection on his blog many years ago:

https://imomus.livejournal.com/200676.html
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Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on December 09, 2020, 08:36:27 AM
He does say in the rant what led to him eventually leaving. He was happy working in the 'dream studio' that he had set up with The Orb's advance but over the last year before he left he grew increasingly tired of Patterson leaving him to do all the heavy lifting but taking half the credit. The final straw was when Patterson moved some hangers-on into the studio who kept disturbing him while he was trying to work, Alex then bought an ARP 2600 and spent ages trying to get a sound of of it without knowing what he was doing, and that was when he snapped and walked out.
It's actually a very similar story to what happened between Alan Wilder and Depeche Mode, but for him it took 13 years to get to that point compared to Thrash's 4.

He also says his publishing contract with Chrysalis/BMG ran out in 2013. Given his grudge against Universal/BMG, I expect he didn't want to give them any more money by releasing anything until he was out of contract. Also, he lost the studio he built and all of his gear (including a lot of stuff that belonged to him personally, bought with his own money earned from doing remixes prior to the formation of The Orb ) when they locked him out of it. He does sound design and writes VST plugins which he sells through his 100 Mountains website, and has a patreon going to get money for equipment to set up another studio.

His rants are also a great way of appreciating that there are usually two sides to every story.
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Post by: buzby on December 09, 2020, 08:49:24 AM
His rants are also a great way of appreciating that there are usually two sides to every story.
Have you been time travelling again Shoulders?
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Post by: willbo on December 13, 2020, 07:40:00 PM
the biggest shock for me recently was that Jeff Soto, currently singing in the prog-metal supergroup Sons of Apollo, did all the metal music and songs for the Biker Mice From Mars cartoon.
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Post by: Gregory Torso on December 13, 2020, 11:14:57 PM
On my copy of Ween's album 12 Golden Country Greats, the song Powder Blue cuts off abruptly right at the end when Gene Ween has just introduced all of the musicians on the song and then says, "And now, ladies and gentlemen, I'd like to present Muhammad Ali". I just thought it was some kind of funny in-joke thing but I've just found out that, according to wikipedia anyway, -

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In the tradition of country music, during the song "Powder Blue" Gene introduces each member of the band who then plays a short solo on their instrument. The original version runs for 4:16 and ends with a sample from Muhammad Ali. Ween were denied permission to use the sample by Ali's lawyers, but Elektra pressed the album accidentally. Repressings of the album contain a cut version, causing the song to abruptly end after the introduction "Ladies & Gentlemen, I'd like to present Muhammad Ali".

I think that's bullshit though, about it being only on the reissue. According to Discogs, that came out in 2010. My copy's the one on Flying Nun from 1996.

It's just done so badly and abruptly I always assumed it was just a bit of randomness and fuckery. That's Ween for you.
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Post by: famethrowa on December 13, 2020, 11:27:10 PM
On my copy of Ween's album 12 Golden Country Greats, the song Powder Blue cuts off abruptly right at the end when Gene Ween has just introduced all of the musicians on the song and then says, "And now, ladies and gentlemen, I'd like to present Muhammad Ali". I just thought it was some kind of funny in-joke thing but I've just found out that, according to wikipedia anyway, -

I think that's bullshit though, about it being only on the reissue. According to Discogs, that came out in 2010. My copy's the one on Flying Nun from 1996.

It's just done so badly and abruptly I always assumed it was just a bit of randomness and fuckery. That's Ween for you.


Yes I always had the cut off version on CD as well, it was like a whispered secret around the indie circles that there was a forbidden version out there somewhere....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SU4DC3fCUjQ
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Post by: MiddleRabbit on December 26, 2020, 10:10:28 PM
Not quite hat fuckery so much as “Madness nicked part of Roxy Music’s Serenade for Uncle Sam, an unfondly remembered anti-American late period single.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v45eYZjdRcA

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jtXoHC9210s

There’s a bit in The Pretty Things In The Square off Parachute that Radiohead took for a section in Paranoid Android. I can’t imagine I’m the only one to have heard this?  Edit - No, I’m not, but it doesn’t seem widely recognised, like say, Karma Police being pretty similar to Sexy Sadie.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q-h8Fc3Wx2k
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Post by: mrClaypole on December 26, 2020, 11:35:23 PM
Not quite hat fuckery so much as “Madness nicked part of Roxy Music’s Serenade for Uncle Sam, an unfondly remembered anti-American late period single.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v45eYZjdRcA

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jtXoHC9210s

There’s a bit in The Pretty Things In The Square off Parachute that Radiohead took for a section in Paranoid Android. I can’t imagine I’m the only one to have heard this?  Edit - No, I’m not, but it doesn’t seem widely recognised, like say, Karma Police being pretty similar to Sexy Sadie.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q-h8Fc3Wx2k

I never realised that.
Still love the demo better than the single

https://youtu.be/DlgExJyr-vY
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: Johnboy on December 28, 2020, 07:29:11 AM
Andy Summers of The Police is older than George Harrison.
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: daf on December 28, 2020, 07:40:13 AM
Andy Summers of The Police is older than George Harrison.

That's a great one!

Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: Jockice on December 28, 2020, 09:36:36 AM
Not quite hat fuckery so much as “Madness nicked part of Roxy Music’s Serenade for Uncle Sam, an unfondly remembered anti-American late period single.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v45eYZjdRcA

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jtXoHC9210s


They also based Grey Day on The Bogus Man.
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: NoSleep on December 28, 2020, 12:03:10 PM
Andy Summers of The Police is older than George Harrison.

And getting older.

Andy Summers was in several bands before joining The Police. I know he was in a very early incarnation of Soft Machine and was also in The Animals for a while.
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: The Culture Bunker on December 28, 2020, 12:41:58 PM
Andy Summers of The Police is older than George Harrison.
Still about four years younger than his fellow punk/New Wave bandwagon jumper Jet Black, who was born prior to WWII kicking off.
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: Satchmo Distel on December 28, 2020, 12:42:16 PM
Mike Post (Rockford Files, Hill Street Blues themes) came fourth in the featherweight division of the 1974 US arm-wrestling championship, according to a contemporary 'America's Top 40' played on Sirius XM yesterday.
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: famethrowa on December 28, 2020, 01:45:52 PM
Andy Summers of The Police is older than George Harrison.

And Mick Jagger! Always a hatfucker, he's going to be 78 in a few days. How is that possible
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: willbo on January 02, 2021, 05:16:04 PM
one little quirk that stays with me, I actually read the Q issue where Robbie Williams was asked if he was "into sodomy". It was one of those "questions sent in by the fans" things, and one of the fans asked "have you ever sodomized a man". He gave some long rambling answer if I recall...I can't remember what he said. The journalist then described being in his studio watching him add a rap onto "kids" and mention the question.
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: icehaven on January 03, 2021, 09:58:32 AM
Hot Chocolate were British.
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: Dusty Substance on January 03, 2021, 07:04:35 PM
Hot Chocolate were British.

I'm always surprised when reminded of this.
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: phantom_power on January 05, 2021, 05:20:41 PM
The "cu-cu-cucumber, ca-ca-ca-cabbage" and "He's the yo-yo man" bits in the Pavement cover of The Killing Moon aren't just Stephen Malkmus doing some wacky ad-libs but are lyrics from other songs on Ocean Rain, the album TKM is from
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: Johnboy on January 06, 2021, 08:11:53 AM
Visage, in their early incarnation, included three members of Magazine.
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: SteveDave on January 06, 2021, 08:49:49 AM
Andy Summers of The Police is older than George Harrison.

*Taps microphone*
*Clears throat*

Punk rocker Jet Black was born in 1938 making him older than all the Beatles, 4 of the original 5 Rolling Stones and he's 37 days older than OG rock n roll star Eddie Cochran.

When he was 80 someone pointed out that there was another punk rocker who was born in 1934 or sutin but I didn't know who she was so dismissed it.
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: NoSleep on January 06, 2021, 01:27:03 PM
There's no dismissing Vi Subversa (20 June 1935 – 19 February 2016) and her band Poison Girls.

Stone cold classic: Persons Unknown - Poison Girls (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xb3hrSSSCQI)

Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: Rizla on January 06, 2021, 01:33:20 PM
Charlie Harper of the UK subs? Born 1944 so a stripling compared to Jet. But (reportedly) a nephew of Cesar Romera aka TV's Batman's The Joker, according to wiki? Well fuck my hat!
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: George White on January 07, 2021, 12:17:36 AM
Alan Vega, also older than Eddie Cochran.
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: thecuriousorange on January 07, 2021, 12:58:03 AM
The DJ member in Limp Bizkit was also the DJ member in House of Pain.
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: NoSleep on January 07, 2021, 02:04:32 AM
Not a punk rocker but remarkably older than any of these was Ed Cassidy (b. May 4, 1923), the drummer of Spirit, who was a professional musician before Eddie Cochran was born. In 1964 he was in a band (The Rising Sons) that boasted both Taj Mahal and Ry Cooder.
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: The Culture Bunker on January 07, 2021, 11:38:10 AM
Not a punk rocker but remarkably older than any of these was Ed Cassidy (b. May 4, 1923), the drummer of Spirit, who was a professional musician before Eddie Cochran was born. In 1964 he was in a band (The Rising Sons) that boasted both Taj Mahal and Ry Cooder.
And he was Spirit frontman Randy California's step-dad, which is certainly an unusual dynamic in a rock band.
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: NoSleep on January 07, 2021, 11:51:01 AM
And another interesting footnote to that would be that he may have been instrumental in not allowing the 15 year old Randy (on the grounds of finishing high school) to go to London with Jimi Hendrix as Chas Chandler (says wiki) had requested. Wiki also says that some other accounts are that Chandler had only wanted Hendrix (and I remember hearing elsewhere it was Hendrix that wanted Randy to come to London with him). So Ed hijacked Randy's chances there to keep him in the band they had formed together when Randy was 14 which went on to become Spirit.
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: studpuppet on January 07, 2021, 12:09:32 PM
And he was Spirit frontman Randy California's step-dad, which is certainly an unusual dynamic in a rock band.

cf. Pete Best's sort-of step-dad Neil Aspinall, who despite becoming the father of Pete's half-brother, three weeks later stuck with the Fab Four when they kicked Pete out.
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: The Culture Bunker on January 07, 2021, 01:22:00 PM
cf. Pete Best's sort-of step-dad Neil Aspinall, who despite becoming the father of Pete's half-brother, three weeks later stuck with the Fab Four when they kicked Pete out.
I spent about a hour trying to think of this indie band who had the singer's pop in the line up - 'twas Mystery Jets, though it appears the old boy just writes lyrics for them these days.
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: Dusty Substance on January 08, 2021, 11:12:02 PM

As a collector of cover versions and of songs that were later sampled, I'm surprised it's taken me until today to discover Yvonne Elliman's cover of I Can't Explain and the sample used in Fatboy Slim's Going Out Of My Head.

Not being the biggest Who head, I think I prefer her version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNG73Tn8WCM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNG73Tn8WCM)
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: Satchmo Distel on January 10, 2021, 02:21:10 PM
Johnny Cash's version of "Ring Of Fire" was a cover of a song written by his future wife, June Carter, and recorded by her sister, Anita.
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: Jockice on January 10, 2021, 04:19:19 PM
Here's a story mentioning my all-time favourite musical bit of hat fucking, Lena Zavaroni being signed by Stax.
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/19000121.spotlight-like-lena-zavaronis-life-stax-tale-triumph-tragedy/
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: willbo on January 10, 2021, 09:26:11 PM
Michael Bolton was considered as a singer for Black Sabbath after Ozzy (he was singing hard rock at the time and hoping for a Bon Jovi/Whitesnake type career I believe)
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Post by: George White on January 11, 2021, 08:53:34 PM
Here's a story mentioning my all-time favourite musical bit of hat fucking, Lena Zavaroni being signed by Stax.
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/19000121.spotlight-like-lena-zavaronis-life-stax-tale-triumph-tragedy/
Reminded that Albert Finney did an album on Motown 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Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: NoSleep on January 11, 2021, 08:58:15 PM
The Fall were set to sign to Motown then the label heard The Classical.
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Post by: Artie Fufkin on January 17, 2021, 03:01:00 PM
Michael Bolton was considered as a singer for Black Sabbath after Ozzy (he was singing hard rock at the time and hoping for a Bon Jovi/Whitesnake type career I believe)
I thought the story was that Bolton sent in an audition tape when Sabbs were looking for a singer after Dio left? IF that was true, it would have been Bolton singing on the über Sabbath album, Born Again. How Can We Be Lovers If We Can’t Be Fiends.
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Post by: McChesney Duntz on January 27, 2021, 06:49:18 PM
Just found out that David Lee Roth was a secret punk acolyte at the height of Vanhalenmania, including putting up a chunk of his own money to finance an LA punk club, eventually getting Henry Rollins to ghostwrite his memoir, Crazy from the Heat.
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Post by: markburgle on January 28, 2021, 09:16:28 PM
On the subject of unexpectedly old punks, here's drummer Penny Rimbaud from Crass! Being given a prize on TV by the Beatles! In 1964!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HS-mzQl2Ra0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HS-mzQl2Ra0)
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Post by: Jockice on January 29, 2021, 11:41:34 AM
On the subject of unexpectedly old punks, here's drummer Penny Rimbaud from Crass! Being given a prize on TV by the Beatles! In 1964!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HS-mzQl2Ra0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HS-mzQl2Ra0)

Penny Rimbaud is a great bloke. You probably don't know that. But he is.

Christ the new page.
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Post by: McChesney Duntz on January 29, 2021, 06:42:43 PM
May or may not be the appropriate place for this, but fuggit:

Stewart Lee, from this article - https://www.dazeddigital.com/film-tv/article/51749/1/stewart-lee-michael-cumming-10-cult-documentaries-king-rocker-interview:

Stewart Lee: I managed to get a ridiculous, made-up story about Mark E. Smith from The Fall into Esquire magazine, which then became part of his biography. He was asked about it in interviews, and didn’t deny it. Then Steve Hanley, the bass player, in his book, wrote about being present when it happened – but I knew I’d made it up (laughs).

Here's the Esquire article in question: https://www.stewartlee.co.uk/written_for_money/mark-e-smith-man-at-his-best/

Does that mean the "Mark Edward Bear" story is Lee-derived bollocks? (It would seem that Stew left himself an out by saying "it was once imagined...") Or is he lying about the fact that he was lying, just like that Elvis Costello song? Is all of life just a self-negating heavy-meta black hole and I'm just finding this out? Or am I?
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Post by: Sean Ymphs on January 29, 2021, 07:38:18 PM

Does that mean the "Mark Edward Bear" story is Lee-derived bollocks? (It would seem that Stew left himself an out by saying "it was once imagined...") Or is he lying about the fact that he was lying, just like that Elvis Costello song? Is all of life just a self-negating heavy-meta black hole and I'm just finding this out? Or am I?

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Franz Kafka, the story goes, encountered a little girl in the park where he went walking daily. She was crying.  She had lost her doll and was desolate.

Kafka offered to help her look for the doll and arranged to meet her the next day at the same spot.  Unable to find the doll he composed a letter from the doll and read it to her when they met.

“Please do not mourn me,  I have gone on a trip to see the world.  I will write you of my adventures.”  This was the beginning of many letters.  When he and the little girl met he read her from these carefully composed letters the imagined adventures of the beloved doll.  The little girl was comforted.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/kafka-and-the-doll_b_981348
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Post by: lazyhour on January 29, 2021, 07:46:36 PM
"Now, that story about Mark E Smith wasn't true..."
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Post by: non capisco on January 29, 2021, 08:52:49 PM
As long as it wasn't the arcade game story from The Big Midweek it's all good. I need that to be true.
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Post by: turnstyle on February 02, 2021, 10:29:34 AM
May or may not be the appropriate place for this, but fuggit:

Stewart Lee, from this article - https://www.dazeddigital.com/film-tv/article/51749/1/stewart-lee-michael-cumming-10-cult-documentaries-king-rocker-interview:

Stewart Lee: I managed to get a ridiculous, made-up story about Mark E. Smith from The Fall into Esquire magazine, which then became part of his biography. He was asked about it in interviews, and didn’t deny it. Then Steve Hanley, the bass player, in his book, wrote about being present when it happened – but I knew I’d made it up (laughs).

Here's the Esquire article in question: https://www.stewartlee.co.uk/written_for_money/mark-e-smith-man-at-his-best/

Does that mean the "Mark Edward Bear" story is Lee-derived bollocks? (It would seem that Stew left himself an out by saying "it was once imagined...") Or is he lying about the fact that he was lying, just like that Elvis Costello song? Is all of life just a self-negating heavy-meta black hole and I'm just finding this out? Or am I?

As any Lee and Herring spod (so, basically this message board) will know, here lies the clue to Lee's deception:

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even though she is now 28 years old
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Post by: markburgle on February 02, 2021, 10:08:05 PM
Penny Rimbaud is a great bloke. You probably don't know that. But he is.

Christ the new page.

I met him once. I interned at Southern records, and he came in one day and I chatted to him a bit in the kitchen. On a later occasion me and a mate took Dial House at their word on the whole open-house thing and turned up somewhat-embarrassingly wielding a half-drunk bottle of wine on a Sunday afternoon, which my mate even-more-embarrassingly managed to spill over the kitchen table. Gee Vaucher (who was the only one home) had to clear it up. She was trying to prepare for an exhibition and let us interrupt her for half an hour to bollock on about Crass and creative ambitions and stuff (well me really, matey didn't know who Crass were)
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Post by: Jockice on February 03, 2021, 12:45:14 PM
I met him once. I interned at Southern records, and he came in one day and I chatted to him a bit in the kitchen. On a later occasion me and a mate took Dial House at their word on the whole open-house thing and turned up somewhat-embarrassingly wielding a half-drunk bottle of wine on a Sunday afternoon, which my mate even-more-embarrassingly managed to spill over the kitchen table. Gee Vaucher (who was the only one home) had to clear it up. She was trying to prepare for an exhibition and let us interrupt her for half an hour to bollock on about Crass and creative ambitions and stuff (well me really, matey didn't know who Crass were)

I've never actually met Penny but my degree dissertation (circa 2003. I was a mature student doing it part-time) was on the politics of punk, so I wrote to him asking for a couple of quotes. I was quite surprised that he rang me at home one evening and we had a chat and a few exchanges of correspondence  He was incredibly helpful. When I got the result - 75% with a rave review from the supervisor - I rang him up to say thanks. I left a message and once more he rang me back and was very nice.

Now, here's the thing. He asked me if I'd mind sending him a copy of my dissertation. I said yes but then didn't. I did have a lot of personal stuff going on at the time and I just never got round to photocopying the thing. I felt shit about that for years. I had help from members of other bands (The Undertones, Buzzcocks, Sham 69 to name but a few, and even Bob Geldof) but Penny was the only one who asked to see what I'd written. I left it so long that I don't even know where my copy is and it would be a bit stupid anyway sending it saying: "Sorry for the decade and a half delay there."

Anyway, about a year ago I discovered he has a personal Twitter page so followed him and sent a message apologising and explaining. I heard nothing back for about three weeks and got this: "Dear Jockice, thanks for the message. No need to apologise. I'm happy that I was able to helpout with you. Love, blessings and joy, Penny."

He now follows me as well, although I rarely tweet. What a guy.
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Post by: Chicory on February 14, 2021, 02:04:40 AM
I've spent the last almost eleven years convinced that 'Sprawl II' by Arcade Fire is a song by The Knife.  Would've put money on it.  Might explain why I always had great difficulty tracking it down.
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Post by: Famous Mortimer on February 15, 2021, 05:34:20 AM
Just found out that David Lee Roth was a secret punk acolyte at the height of Vanhalenmania, including putting up a chunk of his own money to finance an LA punk club, eventually getting Henry Rollins to ghostwrite his memoir, Crazy from the Heat.
I'm not doubting your source, but if there was ever an autobiography that more closely matched its subject's voice, I've yet to read it - plus, Rollins feels like he was a busier guy in the 90s than DLR so it's a weird match. He's listed on some publisher's website as writing the foreword (don't remember the version I read as having a foreword, but maybe it was short).
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: willbo on February 15, 2021, 08:51:52 AM
Van Halen's debut did have a song called Atomic Punk on it...
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Post by: Famous Mortimer on February 16, 2021, 03:21:45 AM
Blue Swede didn't write "Hooked On A Feeling". Hut unfucked at this news, but they didn't even come up with the "ooka-chaka" bit, not present on the original recording. That innovation was courtesy of former CaBber Jonathan King, who recorded a version in 1971!

Also, the B-side of King's 7" is "I Don't Want To Be Gay", whose lyrics appear to use "gay" the old fashioned way, but whose meaning may be slightly earthier.
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: jenna appleseed on February 23, 2021, 04:02:38 AM
Just discovered a folk album with a cover showing people about to get burnt in a wicker man, came out just before they even started thinking about making the film.

Does Jonny Trunk know about this?

(https://img.discogs.com/pHvcQHld86i-084lsa7ARFmtZ6Y=/fit-in/500x500/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-4469871-1365773380-1873.jpeg.jpg)

https://www.discogs.com/The-Druids-Burnt-Offering/release/4469871
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Post by: popcorn on February 23, 2021, 09:59:00 AM
It's based on an 18th-century engraving:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a3/The_Wicker_Man_of_the_Druids_crop.jpg/534px-The_Wicker_Man_of_the_Druids_crop.jpg)
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: kidsick5000 on March 04, 2021, 10:47:30 PM
Many people have wondered why there is no studio version of Elton John's Bennie And The Jets available, only a 'live' version.
But that is the studio version.
Producer Gus Dudgeon faked a live atmosphere using crowd noise from a Jimi Hendrix concert.
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: kidsick5000 on March 05, 2021, 04:14:55 AM
Also, I have literally just discovered that the lyrics in Billie Jean are not
"but the sheriff's not my son."
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: Mr Banlon on March 05, 2021, 05:13:50 AM
The very 60s/British 'Fox on the Run', first recorded by Manfred Mann https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zqFDRA1HY8 has become a Bluegrass standard.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZMVUdHH49E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkgaCW6X_Bo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3VBDOKbuug
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQcp-Kp6StE
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: famethrowa on March 15, 2021, 11:23:08 AM
The last 3 chords of the last chorus of Strawberry Fields Forever? D E D

I buried Paul, indeed
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Post by: pupshaw on March 15, 2021, 06:16:30 PM
From Bev Bevan Wikipedia page
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Bevan rejoined Black Sabbath briefly in 1987, recording percussion overdubs for album The Eternal Idol,
but was replaced by Terry Chimes after refusing to play shows in South Africa, at the time under apartheid rule

Tory Crimes toured apartheid South Africa? Maybe not so suprising.
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: SpiderChrist on March 16, 2021, 12:09:32 PM
From Bev Bevan Wikipedia page
Tory Crimes toured apartheid South Africa? Maybe not so suprising.

From https://www.black-sabbath.com/vb/forum/black-sabbath-discussions/black-sabbath-general/18341-1986-black-sabbath-sun-city-tour (https://www.black-sabbath.com/vb/forum/black-sabbath-discussions/black-sabbath-general/18341-1986-black-sabbath-sun-city-tour)

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Terry Chimes (The Clash) played the drums. Bev who was the drummer refused to play in Sun City
Tony Martin on vocals.
Tony Iommi as always was at the guitar helm.
Geoff Nicholls on keyboards
Bass duties were on Dave Spitz.

Hardly Black Sabbath, is it? Iommi's gone on my shit list, though.

ETA: As a die-hard Headonite, Terry Chimes being a cunt doesn't surprise me in the slightest.
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Post by: popcorn on March 27, 2021, 02:09:48 AM
The video for the Offspring song Hit That was clearly shot in the UK, but seemingly they tried to disguise this by adding US props like a stop sign, trash cans, white picket fence and a US fire hydrant. Even though a UK hydrant is visible in the next shot.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Exc1f3YXMAcGwwT?format=jpg&name=large)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Exc1lMTXMBIwhRl?format=jpg&name=large)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Exc1pozW8AItSq7?format=jpg&name=large)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Exc1u42WEAUOMpO?format=png&name=900x900)

Reading up on the video, it was indeed created a British production company, so my best guess is that the label asked them to try to make it look like America or something since the Offspring have an all-American image.
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Post by: thecuriousorange on March 27, 2021, 10:24:51 AM
former CaBber Jonathan King,

What? You're going to have to explain that.
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: NoSleep on March 27, 2021, 12:46:34 PM
Just search for his name in the members list.
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: OnlyRegisteredSoICanRead on March 27, 2021, 06:08:34 PM
The listing crumbling castle building thingy on Dead can Dance's Spleen and Ideal was one of the Grain lifter silo or suchlike at the Salford docks.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5a/Dead_Can_Dance_-_Spleen_and_Ideal_album_cover.png)
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Post by: Fr.Bigley on March 27, 2021, 06:09:24 PM
The listing crumbling castle building thingy on Dead can Dance's Spleen and Ideal was one of the Grain lifter silo or suchlike at the Salford docks.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5a/Dead_Can_Dance_-_Spleen_and_Ideal_album_cover.png)

Now you have to watch that arsehole Dan Walker from there every morning.
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Post by: studpuppet on March 27, 2021, 06:58:05 PM
What? You're going to have to explain that.

This never gets old - as if the current membership weren't odious enough. It's like being an Arsenal fan and discovering that Osama Bin Laden isn't your most objectionable celebrity fan.

(https://a.espncdn.com/photo/2018/0127/r319736_1222x687_16-9.jpg)
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Post by: JaDanketies on March 28, 2021, 10:04:38 AM
The OMD song Enola Gay was released 35 years after the Hiroshima bombing, and the song itself is 41 years old. So the OMD song was closer to Hiroshima than to the current day.
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: Rich Uncle Skeleton on March 28, 2021, 04:07:19 PM
Talking of OMD, I never knew two of them founded and wrote for Atomic Kitten[1]
 1. probably already mentioned in this thread  but just read it and came racing to post it
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: buzby on March 28, 2021, 08:57:37 PM
The listing crumbling castle building thingy on Dead can Dance's Spleen and Ideal was one of the Grain lifter silo or suchlike at the Salford docks.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5a/Dead_Can_Dance_-_Spleen_and_Ideal_album_cover.png)
Grain Elevator No. 2. see this post (https://www.cookdandbombd.co.uk/forums/index.php/topic,82375.msg4307148.html#msg4307148) for more details.

Talking of OMD, I never knew two of them founded and wrote for Atomic Kitten[1]
 1. probably already mentioned in this thread  but just read it and came racing to post it
I don't consider Stewart Kershaw a proper member of OMD - he was one of the members of Raw Unlimited who McCluskey brought in for his awful early 90s period after he had pissed everybody else off enough that they left.

Atomic Kitten was actually Karl Bartos' suggestion as an outlet for McCluskey's more pop-oriented songs afte OMD were cast onto the chart scrapheap.
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Post by: kngen on March 28, 2021, 11:12:58 PM
I've never actually met Penny but my degree dissertation (circa 2003. I was a mature student doing it part-time) was on the politics of punk, so I wrote to him asking for a couple of quotes. I was quite surprised that he rang me at home one evening and we had a chat and a few exchanges of correspondence  He was incredibly helpful. When I got the result - 75% with a rave review from the supervisor - I rang him up to say thanks. I left a message and once more he rang me back and was very nice.

Now, here's the thing. He asked me if I'd mind sending him a copy of my dissertation. I said yes but then didn't. I did have a lot of personal stuff going on at the time and I just never got round to photocopying the thing. I felt shit about that for years. I had help from members of other bands (The Undertones, Buzzcocks, Sham 69 to name but a few, and even Bob Geldof) but Penny was the only one who asked to see what I'd written. I left it so long that I don't even know where my copy is and it would be a bit stupid anyway sending it saying: "Sorry for the decade and a half delay there."

Anyway, about a year ago I discovered he has a personal Twitter page so followed him and sent a message apologising and explaining. I heard nothing back for about three weeks and got this: "Dear Jockice, thanks for the message. No need to apologise. I'm happy that I was able to helpout with you. Love, blessings and joy, Penny."

He now follows me as well, although I rarely tweet. What a guy.

I interviewed him a while ago, and he really is a lovely bloke. Probably one of the most inspiring interviews I ever did. Came away from it more positive about humanity that I ever thought possible.
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Post by: Jockice on March 29, 2021, 10:17:27 AM
Talking of OMD, I never knew two of them founded and wrote for Atomic Kitten[1]
 1. probably already mentioned in this thread  but just read it and came racing to post it

They sacked McCluskey and Kershaw after reaching number one with Whole Again. Which was co-written by the pair. And was a great single. Silly girls.

New page fuck my hole again.
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Post by: JaDanketies on March 29, 2021, 11:20:00 AM
I thought that perhaps Atomic Kitten were called Atomic Kitten cos OMD are interested in bombs, such as in Enola Gay, but it turns out they were supposed to be called Automatic Kitten, but:

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When Katona went home to tell her mother all about the band, her mother's friend "Bob the Leg" was there. He was unable to pronounce "Automatic Kitten" and kept saying "Atomic Kitten". Katona liked the name and told her bandmates about it—they all felt the same way and the name stuck.
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Post by: Prison Biscuits on March 29, 2021, 11:28:21 AM
Legend Bob The Leg.
Title: Re: Musical 'F*** my Hat, I didn't know that!'
Post by: Rich Uncle Skeleton on March 29, 2021, 12:18:34 PM
New page fuck my hole again.

Ha
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Post by: crankshaft on March 29, 2021, 03:27:06 PM
Grain Elevator No. 2. see this post (https://www.cookdandbombd.co.uk/forums/index.php/topic,82375.msg4307148.html#msg4307148) for more details.
I don't consider Stewart Kershaw a proper member of OMD - he was one of the members of Raw Unlimited who McCluskey brought in for his awful early 90s period after he had pissed everybody else off enough that they left.

Atomic Kitten was actually Karl Bartos' suggestion as an outlet for McCluskey's more pop-oriented songs afte OMD were cast onto the chart scrapheap.

And now Stuart is back in OMD, replacing Mal. Does this make him a "proper" member? Who knows.

Yes, Andy's revelation that Karl Bartos recommended he put together a band to do his songs is terrific - almost as good as the story of him collaborating with Electronic. Barney and Johnny were expecting him to come in and start building snare drums out of white noise; instead, he entered the studio and threw his coat over the computer saying, "we won't be needing this!", then picked up a guitar and started playing bluegrass. Legend.
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Post by: Kankurette on March 31, 2021, 11:16:48 PM
'Not So Manic Now' by Dubstar/Brick Supply is about a grandma being raped. Only found that out recently. I'd never properly listened to the lyrics.
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Post by: Dusty Substance on April 01, 2021, 12:13:22 AM
'Not So Manic Now' by Dubstar/Brick Supply is about a grandma being raped. Only found that out recently. I'd never properly listened to the lyrics.

Just read the lyrics and, well, fucking hell.

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Post by: pigamus on April 01, 2021, 12:36:26 AM
Was it Bob the Leg
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Post by: turnstyle on April 01, 2021, 12:55:59 AM
'Not So Manic Now' by Dubstar/Brick Supply is about a grandma being raped. Only found that out recently. I'd never properly listened to the lyrics.

Hat, and OAP, well and truly fucked.
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Post by: markburgle on April 01, 2021, 06:11:34 AM
That's like that Bananarama Robert Deniro song, which is about a girl trying to disassociate while being raped by focussing on the a film playing on the TV,  not a goofy song about crushing on a Hollywood hunk
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Post by: Artie Fufkin on April 01, 2021, 12:41:20 PM
Hat, and OAP, well and truly fucked.
LOLZ
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Post by: Kankurette on April 01, 2021, 12:50:06 PM
Stove King being a thieving bastard is a Fuck My Hat moment too.
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Post by: Artie Fufkin on April 01, 2021, 03:35:28 PM
Stove King being a thieving bastard is a Fuck My Hat moment too.
I quite liked The Shining
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Post by: icehaven on April 01, 2021, 04:38:14 PM
Stove King being a thieving bastard is a Fuck My Hat moment too.

Also from the Mansun thread, Dominic Chad is now a sports therapist and he looks like a darts player.
https://www.charlottemcdonald.co.uk/meet-the-team (https://www.charlottemcdonald.co.uk/meet-the-team)

Edit: And he used to be a paramedic! (presuming that's what an 'ambulance technician medic' is.)
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Post by: Kankurette on April 01, 2021, 07:10:06 PM
Also from the Mansun thread, Dominic Chad is now a sports therapist and he looks like a darts player.
https://www.charlottemcdonald.co.uk/meet-the-team (https://www.charlottemcdonald.co.uk/meet-the-team)

Edit: And he used to be a paramedic! (presuming that's what an 'ambulance technician medic' is.)
Well fuck my hat. I barely recognise him.
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Post by: Nice Relaxing Poo on April 05, 2021, 07:51:33 AM
On a similar note (although not much of a hat fucking piece of info), Sice from the Boo Radleys is a psychologist these days:

https://www.counselling-directory.org.uk/counsellors/simon-rowbottom
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Post by: Kankurette on April 05, 2021, 12:07:10 PM
And one of the girls from Hepburn joined the fuzz (http://www.bbc.co.uk/nottingham/content/articles/2008/01/18/hepburn_sarah_davies_video_feature.shtml). Sarah, the bassist/the one who looked a bit like a blonde Shirley Manson.
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Post by: turnstyle on April 06, 2021, 10:24:16 AM
Speaking of switching jobs, Maya Rudolph of SNL fame used to be in The Rentals.

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Post by: popcorn on April 06, 2021, 10:31:54 AM
Speaking of switching jobs, Maya Rudolph of SNL fame used to be in The Rentals.

What the fuck?! That's wicked.
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Post by: Better Midlands on April 06, 2021, 12:20:23 PM
What the fuck?! That's wicked.

She's Minnie Riperton's daughter also.
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Post by: popcorn on April 06, 2021, 12:21:50 PM
I knew that. And knew she's Mrs PTA.

What a cool chick.
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Post by: Clatty McCutcheon on April 06, 2021, 01:46:00 PM
Two for the price of one...

Stevie Wonder’s song ‘He’s Misstra Know-It-All’ is not called ’He’s Mister Know-It-All’. It’s called ’He’s Misstra Know-It-All’.

Eric Burdon, lead singer of the Animals, was in the original line-up of War (of ‘Low Rider’ fame).
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Post by: thecuriousorange on April 06, 2021, 05:05:25 PM
Rhys Ifans was in an early line-up of Super Furry Animals. He was the lead singer.
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Post by: Rizla on April 06, 2021, 05:09:55 PM


Eric Burdon, lead singer of the Animals, was in the original line-up of War (of ‘Low Rider’ fame).

Also they were originally called "Our".
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Post by: Special K on April 06, 2021, 06:25:23 PM
Also they were originally called "Our".

Very good.
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Post by: PaulTMA on April 06, 2021, 06:55:50 PM
From Bev Bevan Wikipedia page
Tory Crimes toured apartheid South Africa? Maybe not so suprising.

A great mystery I've never understood is why he was seemingly an in-demand drummer for a while despite his contribution to the Clash's debut being really boring, perhaps as he was just making time he therefore couldn't be arsed much
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Post by: The Culture Bunker on April 06, 2021, 07:15:41 PM
A great mystery I've never understood is why he was seemingly an in-demand drummer for a while despite his contribution to the Clash's debut being really boring, perhaps as he was just making time he therefore couldn't be arsed much
I've actually got no awareness of his drumming beyond what he did in the Clash - presumably he had something about him (and wasn't a complete arsehole) to get asked back when they binned Topper off.
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Post by: NoSleep on April 06, 2021, 09:01:15 PM
Eric Burdon, lead singer of the Animals, was in the original line-up of War (of ‘Low Rider’ fame).

Technically he wasn't in War, the act being named Eric Burdon & War. The band were already together (named Nightshift) before they were picked up by Burdon as his new backing band.

I saw them (with Eric Burdon) at Hyde Park in 1970 and they were very, very good indeed, one of the tightest bands I've ever seen perform live (well, they made every single band I'd seen before then seem amateurish and sloppy in comparison).
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Post by: daf on April 06, 2021, 09:35:42 PM
Barbra Streisand recorded a version of John Lennon's Mother (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZY24u4E1HA)!

(https://i.imgur.com/no6NyjG.jpg)

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Post by: Brundle-Fly on April 06, 2021, 09:50:46 PM
That's like that Bananarama Robert Deniro song, which is about a girl trying to disassociate while being raped by focussing on the a film playing on the TV,  not a goofy song about crushing on a Hollywood hunk

Conversely, I thought L7's Pretend We're Dead had a similar sentiment but apparently it's not.
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Post by: Kankurette on April 06, 2021, 11:20:18 PM
Rhys Ifans was in an early line-up of Super Furry Animals. He was the lead singer.
And Guto and Daf were in Catatonia.
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Post by: Nice Relaxing Poo on April 07, 2021, 06:18:01 AM


Stevie Wonder’s song ‘He’s Misstra Know-It-All’ is not called ’He’s Mister Know-It-All’. It’s called ’He’s Misstra Know-It-All’.


It's like he took inspiration from the oft misconceived spelling of his own first name (which is a previous hat fucking entry on here I think).


"Mr and Mrs Morris, what do you wish to name your son?"

"Stev..."

"Ah Steve, a lovely first name"

"Uh no it's Stevland actually"
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Post by: famethrowa on April 07, 2021, 08:12:48 AM
Barbra Streisand recorded a version of John Lennon's Mother (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZY24u4E1HA)!


Wow! And how awful it is. Why do "people" (geddit) think she's a good singer? Her large serving of ham works even worse on this, I'd rather have poor old John spilling his heart all over the piano while Klaus and Ringo plod away, eyes to the floor.
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Post by: Dusty Substance on April 07, 2021, 09:35:32 PM

According to this Trash Theory video on the legacy of X Ray Spex (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xA-rRijxf70 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xA-rRijxf70)), Poly Styrene was only 4ft5". I mean, she obviously wasn't a giant, but 4ft5" is tiny - Five inches shorter than Danny DeVito.

It's possible that Trash Theory got the wrong info, but his videos are usually well researched.
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Post by: The Culture Bunker on April 07, 2021, 09:40:01 PM
If she was 4ft 5in, then all the lads in the band must have been about 5ft 5in tops.


(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/40a6387484b797e21c473e8ff27eee89636b3b50/0_0_4458_3530/master/4458.jpg?width=700&quality=85&auto=format&fit=max&s=2b8a313f096a086aaabdfb464de1cfc9)
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Post by: Dusty Substance on April 07, 2021, 09:55:24 PM
If she was 4ft 5in, then all the lads in the band must have been about 5ft 5in tops.

Yeah, doesn't ring true. I know someone who was good friends with Poly. I'll ask him next time I see him.
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Post by: bakabaka on April 08, 2021, 04:45:24 PM
Devo recorded Easy Listening versions of their early songs to play over the PA before their gigs in order to stop the venues playing real Muzak. The tracks became so popular that they released them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eULilLiRdv8
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Post by: Dusty Substance on April 17, 2021, 10:02:19 AM
Yeah, doesn't ring true. I know someone who was good friends with Poly. I'll ask him next time I see him.

Had it confirmed - She was probably around 4ft10" at the absolute smallest.

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Post by: Johnboy on April 17, 2021, 08:12:09 PM
From listening to Thomas Dolby's audiobook I have just found out that he is most certainly no relation to the Dolby of Dolby Sound no-tape-hiss crowd which up until now I had thought he was.

He was actually sued by them in the 80s and was berated bitterly by Dolby himself during an out of court meeting.

His real name is Tom Robertson and gained the nickname Dolby because he was musically geeky and carried around a tape recorder when he was younger.

Hat f***d.

(I can't remember whether I read it in the 80s that he was related to Dolby or whether I just made it up then 'cos I wanted it to be true and pre internet you just made your own connections.)
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Post by: pupshaw on April 17, 2021, 08:57:37 PM
From listening to Thomas Dolby's audiobook I have just found out that he is most certainly no relation to the Dolby of Dolby Sound no-tape-hiss crowd which up until now I had thought he was.

He was actually sued by them in the 80s and was berated bitterly by Dolby himself during an out of court meeting.

His real name is Tom Robertson and gained the nickname Dolby because he was musically geeky and carried around a tape recorder when he was younger.

Hat f***d.

(I can't remember whether I read it in the 80s that he was related to Dolby or whether I just made it up then 'cos I wanted it to be true and pre internet you just made your own connections.)

I remember the fracas, and he said something along the lines of "Marilyn Monroe didn't have to get permission from Monroe Shock Absorbers, and that wasn't her real name either" and of course he was right, but lost
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Post by: popcorn on April 17, 2021, 10:04:29 PM
From listening to Thomas Dolby's audiobook I have just found out that he is most certainly no relation to the Dolby of Dolby Sound no-tape-hiss crowd which up until now I had thought he was.

I've listened to that audiobook too, and in fact I wasn't familiar with him until he appeared on the Adam Buxton podcast. I had always assumed he was connected to Dolby the company, and since mentioning the guy and his fascinating life story to other people, it seems to be a widely shared misconception. TBH it makes me think the the company's concern was fairly reasonable.
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Post by: DJ Bob Hoskins on April 18, 2021, 12:40:14 AM
I had always assumed he was connected to Dolby the company, and since mentioning the guy and his fascinating life story to other people, it seems to be a widely shared misconception. TBH it makes me think the the company's concern was fairly reasonable.

Same here. Similarly, Aphex Twin nicked part of his name from Aphex Systems (a maker of pro audio gear) and his album sleeves mention that ‘Aphex’ is a trademark of the latter. Not sure if he has to pay them a licence fee or not but - unlike Dolby - I’d never heard the name prior to the musician using it.
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Post by: Jockice on April 18, 2021, 11:55:25 AM
The Comsat Angels had to become CS Angels, Dream Command and then briefly The Headhunters because the global satellite company Comsat objected to their name. Not sure if they had to pay the company off or what. I'd love to ask but they don't talk to me anymore. Apart from their keyboardist Andy and I haven't seen him for years.

They were also sued by the cast of 70s-80s nursing drama Angels. Possibly.
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Post by: JesusAndYourBush on April 18, 2021, 12:46:31 PM
I'd heard that Thomas Dolby had had legal shenanigans with Dolby Labs so I knew he wasn't related, but I always still assumed it was his real name.

I remember the fracas, and he said something along the lines of "Marilyn Monroe didn't have to get permission from Monroe Shock Absorbers, and that wasn't her real name either" and of course he was right, but lost

The difference being she didn't get the Monroe name as a nickname from her friends because she was always in the back of a car helping to test the shock absorbers!  (At least I assume she didn't!)
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Post by: kalowski on April 18, 2021, 12:52:21 PM
She could test my shock absorbers!

Not now. She's been dead 60 years.
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Post by: studpuppet on April 18, 2021, 07:26:47 PM
She could test my shock absorbers!

Not now. She's been dead 60 years.

If she was embalmed, she could still be used as ballast.
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Post by: Corduroy Castle on April 20, 2021, 11:40:59 AM
Laura Ballance from Superchunk and Pumpkin Wentzel from Guvner appeared in a film* with Naomi Campbell and Donald Trump.

X-Girl (1995) (https://letterboxd.com/film/x-girl/)


*I say 'film', it seems like it was more of a short commercial for Kim Gordon's clothing line, X-Girl. Still pretty weird.
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Post by: Jockice on April 20, 2021, 11:59:27 AM
Damian O'Neill of The Undertones was asked by Kevin Rowland to join Dexys Midnight Runners after the 'tones split up. But he opted to continue working with bassist Mickey Bradley in a short-lived act called Eleven and then team up with his brother John again in what became That Petrol Emotion. I thought I knew my Undertones trivia but I'd never seen that till yesterday.


(Although the song Soul Seven on The Sin Of Pride is apparently about Dexys, I didn't know they were mutual friends/fans.)
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Post by: Fr.Bigley on April 20, 2021, 12:18:13 PM
Patti Smith and Chrissie Hynde are not the same person
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Post by: buzby on April 20, 2021, 03:40:52 PM
I'd heard that Thomas Dolby had had legal shenanigans with Dolby Labs so I knew he wasn't related, but I always still assumed it was his real name.

The difference being she didn't get the Monroe name as a nickname from her friends because she was always in the back of a car helping to test the shock absorbers!  (At least I assume she didn't!)
The issue with Thomas Dolby and Dolby Labs is that they both operated in the same industry (see also the long running Apple Computer vs Apple Corp case, after Apple Computer moved into music distribution). It's harder to sue somebody for trademark infringement if they are using the same name in a completely different sphere of business that the claimant has no interests in.

The Monroe Auto Equipment Company took it's name from the town it was founded (Monroe, Michigan), rather than ther name of it's founder (August F. Meyer), so would also probably have had a hard time in court if they objected to someone else using the name. Monroe was also Norma Jean Baker's mother's maiden name, which is why she chose to use it at the start of her acting career.
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Post by: OnlyRegisteredSoICanRead on April 20, 2021, 09:53:59 PM
Brassy of 'Play Some D' semi-Fame were a Manchester (UK) band.
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Post by: Tokyo van Ramming on April 20, 2021, 10:48:23 PM
Brassy of 'Play Some D' semi-Fame were a Manchester (UK) band.

What led you into finding this out? Consider my hat spunked/gunked.
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Post by: non capisco on April 20, 2021, 11:38:23 PM
Brassy of 'Play Some D' semi-Fame were a Manchester (UK) band.

The singer Muffin Spencer was Jon Spencer of Jon Spencer Blues Explosion's sister, so not entirely.
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Post by: OnlyRegisteredSoICanRead on April 21, 2021, 10:55:19 AM
What led you into finding this out? Consider my hat spunked/gunked.

This video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bw8htwx9CRY where they mention it.

An elegant record of a more simple time when people weren't recording everything on their phones, I wish I could go back blah blah.

Wonder what Muffin is doing now?
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Post by: phantom_power on April 21, 2021, 12:59:45 PM
The last I heard was that she was living with some man on Drury Lane
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Post by: SteveDave on April 21, 2021, 01:00:40 PM
This video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bw8htwx9CRY where they mention it.

An elegant record of a more simple time when people weren't recording everything on their phones, I wish I could go back blah blah.

Wonder what Muffin is doing now?

Here's an interview with her from January 2021 https://www.abc.net.au/doublej/music-reads/features/brassy-muffin-spencer-work-it-out-play-some-d/13083440
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Post by: V on April 22, 2021, 02:36:42 AM
I'd heard that Thomas Dolby had had legal shenanigans with Dolby Labs

Ancient hiss story.
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Post by: holyzombiejesus on April 23, 2021, 09:31:53 AM
This video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bw8htwx9CRY where they mention it.

An elegant record of a more simple time when people weren't recording everything on their phones, I wish I could go back blah blah.

Wonder what Muffin is doing now?

One of them, think she was called Karen, used to work in Cafe Pop on Oldham Street.
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Post by: Kankurette on April 23, 2021, 07:30:16 PM
Yep. Manc band, American singer.

My FMH moment this week: the Smashing Pumpkins were banned from playing Disarm on TOTP because the lyrics were offensive.
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Post by: Chicory on April 24, 2021, 02:48:18 PM
Patti "Because The Night" Smith isn't in fact married to tennis doer John McEnroe.
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Post by: popcorn on April 25, 2021, 09:27:04 AM
Where the fuck is the 1 in Bone Machine?
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Post by: phantom_power on April 26, 2021, 11:16:25 AM
The start of the guitar riff?

The woman speaking Japanese at the start of It's No Game by Bowie is the woman on the front of Kimono My House by Sparks
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Post by: popcorn on April 26, 2021, 11:17:54 AM
The start of the guitar riff?

Is it though?
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Post by: NoSleep on April 26, 2021, 11:42:33 AM
I think it's where the snare hits, but there's some oddness at the pauses and turnarounds between the easily-counted sections. Those turnarounds might be what's throwing you. I didn't count through them but they might not be the same meter as the more straightforward sections.
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Post by: popcorn on April 26, 2021, 11:49:39 AM
I think it's where the snare hits,

Is it though?

I always interpreted the drum/bass intro as a classic metric fakeout - you start off thinking the snare is on the backbeat (per convention), and then when the guitar enters, you realise you've been counting it wrong.

But my professional drummer friend reckons it's the very rarely spotted reverse metric fakeout, where the song starts off having you count in the right place, then wrongfoots you.
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Post by: NoSleep on April 26, 2021, 11:57:26 AM
But my professional drummer friend reckons it's the very rarely spotted reverse metric fakeout, where the song starts off having you count in the right place, then wrongfoots you.

That's what I was trying to say (and the snare is on the one).
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Post by: popcorn on April 26, 2021, 11:58:23 AM
With the snare on the 1? That's not what I'm proposing. I'm wondering if the snare is on the backbeat after all.
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Post by: NoSleep on April 26, 2021, 11:59:32 AM
With the snare on the 1? That's not what I'm proposing. I'm wondering if the snare is on the backbeat after all.

Other things (like the vocals) come in and out on the same 1 as the snare. There are chord changes on that 1.
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Post by: NoSleep on April 26, 2021, 12:03:07 PM
The best track to ponder where the one is must be Heart Of Darkness by Pere Ubu (I don't think the band even know, until about halfway through):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISXBgaXN_Mc
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Post by: popcorn on April 26, 2021, 12:07:55 PM
But my professional drummer friend reckons it's the very rarely spotted reverse metric fakeout, where the song starts off having you count in the right place, then wrongfoots you.

That's what I was trying to say

Quote from: NoSleep
(and the snare is on the one)

Struggling to reconcile these statements. The reverse fakeout theory says the snare is on the backbeat, not the one. How can you agree with both?
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Post by: NoSleep on April 26, 2021, 12:12:28 PM
Surely that's a double negative, so the snare is on the one?
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Post by: NoSleep on April 26, 2021, 12:15:31 PM
If a song really wrongfoots you, you can usually tell because there's something weird about the feel, whereas in this case it feels solid with the snare on the one.
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Post by: popcorn on April 26, 2021, 12:22:36 PM
Surely that's a double negative, so the snare is on the one?

u wot mate??

There are two possibilities:

1) The way I always heard it (which you're arguing is correct): the snare is on the one, but the drum intro makes it sound like it's on the backbeat until the guitar enters.

2) The opposite, and the way my drummer mate argues is correct: the snare is on the backbeat, which is clear until the guitar enters, after which it sounds like it's the one but it actually isn't. I am struggling to feel/hear this version though.
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Post by: Kankurette on April 26, 2021, 12:27:37 PM
The Dreaming was originally going to be called The Abo Song until Kate Bush found out that 'Abo' is a slur.
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Post by: OnlyRegisteredSoICanRead on April 26, 2021, 05:06:07 PM
John Frusciante went Drum 'n Bass.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhacTRyYkOw
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Post by: popcorn on April 26, 2021, 05:55:36 PM
I'm fairly certain that if Kurt Cobain had lived he would have spent the last 20 years making deranged electronic music.
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Post by: NoSleep on April 26, 2021, 06:34:01 PM
u wot mate??

There are two possibilities:

1) The way I always heard it (which you're arguing is correct): the snare is on the one, but the drum intro makes it sound like it's on the backbeat until the guitar enters.

2) The opposite, and the way my drummer mate argues is correct: the snare is on the backbeat, which is clear until the guitar enters, after which it sounds like it's the one but it actually isn't. I am struggling to feel/hear this version though.

On live versions (see youtube) it's more like your drummer mate is right. It sounds genuinely off if you try to count the one on the snare. Not really true of the studio recording.
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Post by: OnlyRegisteredSoICanRead on April 26, 2021, 07:03:34 PM
I'm fairly certain that if Kurt Cobain had lived he would have spent the last 20 years making deranged electronic music.

Yeah, but he wouldn't be ripping off Ian Van Dahl 20 year, errr. yes, sorry he would, wouldn't he?
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Post by: popcorn on April 26, 2021, 07:23:38 PM
On live versions (see youtube) it's more like your drummer mate is right. It sounds genuinely off if you try to count the one on the snare. Not really true of the studio recording.

He cites live versions as evidence for his case but I still can't feel it. My Mind Is Perplexed.

Little by Little by Radiohead is another case of weird secret syncopation that is basically impossible to hear in the studio version but feels very different live.
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Post by: Egyptian Feast on April 26, 2021, 09:35:56 PM
The start of the guitar riff?

The woman speaking Japanese at the start of It's No Game by Bowie is the woman on the front of Kimono My House by Sparks

FMH! Which one, the one who's letting one rip or the one who's horrified?
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Post by: phantom_power on April 26, 2021, 09:42:33 PM
I don't know. Visconti didn't elaborate
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Post by: Egyptian Feast on April 26, 2021, 09:54:20 PM
It's the one on the right, according to this (https://madelinex.com/2014/12/25/sparks-iconic-album-cover-kimono-my-house/). I love that intro and that cover, so this is pleasing news.
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Post by: phantom_power on May 05, 2021, 02:52:16 PM
Bernice Bobs Her Hair by The Divine Comedy is based on an F Scott Fitzgerald short story of the same name. I was a bit disappointed when I found out as I thought it was a really interesting subject matter for a pop song but when it is just cribbed from someone else it is less impressive
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Post by: daf on May 05, 2021, 03:03:17 PM
Plus Lucy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J99TvqY93aw), from the same album, has lyrics penned by your actual factual Wordsworth (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lucy_poems).

(Thinking of it now, didn't Frankie do a similar thing with Coleridge?)
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Post by: phantom_power on May 05, 2021, 03:25:28 PM
Plus Lucy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J99TvqY93aw), from the same album, has lyrics penned by your actual factual Wordsworth (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lucy_poems).


I knew that because I think he is credited as a co-writer, and the words are very "poetic"
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Post by: The Culture Bunker on May 05, 2021, 03:50:02 PM
Plus Lucy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J99TvqY93aw), from the same album, has lyrics penned by your actual factual Wordsworth (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lucy_poems).

(Thinking of it now, didn't Frankie do a similar thing with Coleridge?)
The Waterboys, on the 'Fisherman's Blues' album, did a track - 'The Stolen Child' - that was a Yeats poem set to music. Old WB got a co-credit for it, though I wonder who got the cash?

Years later, there was a whole Waterboys album all on the same idea.
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Post by: daf on May 05, 2021, 04:00:30 PM
And of course Sensual World (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1DDndY0FLI) by Kate Bush - which were originally going to be based on Molly Bloom's soliloquy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molly_Bloom#Soliloquy) from the rollicking trouser-dropping farce Ulysses by James Joyce, but, as she was denied permission by the cloth-eared twats running his estate, she had to make up some of her own in his style.

A few years later on the 2010 album Director's Cut she was finally allowed to record a version, re-titled Flower of the Mountain (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIGGEUUK1-o), featuring the original Joyce lyrics . . . which, ironically, aren't a patch on her own knock-off re-creation!
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Post by: willbo on May 07, 2021, 10:37:33 AM
I don't know how I'm the only person in the world who thinks that Sean Paul's 2002 hit "Get Busy" sounds very similar to the 1990 epic thrash metal album closer "Seasons in the Abyss" by Slayer. When Get Busy first came out I thought the metal fanbase would be full of people shocked and amused at the similarity between the two, but I googled it and there wasn't any mention of it anywhere. I've even played it to Slayer fans who say they can't hear it.
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Post by: PeterCornelius on May 08, 2021, 03:42:08 PM
Jimmy Page played harmonica on Time Drags By by Cliff and The Shadows
Brian Jones plays saxophone on The Beatles’ You Know My Name Look Up The Number
Legendary session drummer Clem Cattini was one of those approached by Peter Grant to join Led Zeppelin
The publishing royalties for Nights in White Satin go to Lonnie Donegan’s estate in perpetuity and not to Justin Hayward
Dave Lee Roth is a trained ambulance paramedic
“Eruption” and “You Really Got Me” - tracks 2 and 3 on the first Van Halen album weren’t recorded separately. The tape was left running after the dying notes of Eruption, and they went straight into the Kinks cover.
The riff of ‘Black Night’ by Deep Purple is directly lifted from ‘(We Ain’t Got) Nothin’ Yet’, recorded by The Spectres (later to become Status Quo) and The Blues Magoos.
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Post by: kalowski on May 08, 2021, 04:32:03 PM
I knew 2, 5 and 6 and had noticed the similarity between the songs mentioned in 7.

But I'd didn't even know Jimmy Page could play harmonica.
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Post by: daf on May 08, 2021, 05:01:27 PM
Brian Jones plays saxophone on The Beatles’ You Know My Name Look Up The Number

Quote
Paul McCartney : "He arrived at Abbey Road in his big Afghan coat. He was always nervous, a little insecure, and he was really nervous that night because he’s walking in on a Beatles session. He was nervous to the point of shaking, lighting ciggy after ciggy. I used to like Brian a lot. I thought it would be a fun idea to have him, and I naturally thought he’d bring a guitar along to a Beatles session and maybe chung along and do some nice rhythm guitar or a little bit of electric twelve-string or something, but to our surprise he brought his saxophone. He opened up his sax case and started putting a reed in and warming up, playing a little bit. He was a really ropey sax player, so I thought, Ah-hah. We’ve got just the tune."
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Post by: JaDanketies on May 13, 2021, 10:35:51 AM
I don't know how I'm the only person in the world who thinks that Sean Paul's 2002 hit "Get Busy" sounds very similar to the 1990 epic thrash metal album closer "Seasons in the Abyss" by Slayer. When Get Busy first came out I thought the metal fanbase would be full of people shocked and amused at the similarity between the two, but I googled it and there wasn't any mention of it anywhere. I've even played it to Slayer fans who say they can't hear it.

Lol now you mention it...

Get busy
And forget your name
When da beat drops
Jus keep swingin' it
Let your thoughts drain

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Post by: Artie Fufkin on May 13, 2021, 12:54:08 PM
Little by Little by Radiohead is another case of weird secret syncopation that is basically impossible to hear in the studio version but feels very different live.
Iirc, there's a documentary about it on YouTube. There's a live concert where Thom completely buggers up the start, because the audience are clapping in the wrong place (bloody punters), and it takes him ages to get back into the groove.
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Post by: popcorn on May 13, 2021, 12:55:49 PM
Iirc, there's a documentary about it on YouTube. There's a live concert where Thom completely buggers up the start, because the audience are clapping in the wrong place (bloody punters), and it takes him ages to get back into the groove.

that's Videotape!
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Post by: Artie Fufkin on May 13, 2021, 12:56:18 PM
that's Videotape!
I stand corrected.
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Post by: JaDanketies on May 13, 2021, 01:54:17 PM
I am strongly opposed to audiences clapping along to the beat during live music events.
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Post by: popcorn on May 13, 2021, 02:04:27 PM
I love this video of Harry Connick Jr pulling a bit of rhythmic sleight of hand (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hYYgz-AJKU&ab_channel=JoshuaSurufka) to get the audience to clap on the right beat.

If you already know what a backbeat is and how time signatures work you can just watch this shorter clip (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UinRq_29jPk&ab_channel=Anton%26ThomasFriis) without all the explanation.
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Post by: famethrowa on May 13, 2021, 02:58:44 PM
I love this video of Harry Connick Jr pulling a bit of rhythmic sleight of hand (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hYYgz-AJKU&ab_channel=JoshuaSurufka) to get the audience to clap on the right beat.

If you already know what a backbeat is and how time signatures work you can just watch this shorter clip (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UinRq_29jPk&ab_channel=Anton%26ThomasFriis) without all the explanation.

I hate that voiceover, but yes Harry is a good egg, a proper musician enjoying himself. There's a good bit from him when he's on the judging panel of one of those shows, and Paula Abdul asks him to explain when he talks about the pentatonic scale. Harry goes "ok, you've got 5 notes.... " and Paula is like "nuh uh, you know too much, forget it then"
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Post by: popcorn on May 13, 2021, 03:02:49 PM
I hate that voiceover,

I should clarify, when I said "I love this video" I meant "I love the video of Harry Connick Jr doing this", I turned off that explanatory video after 10 seconds.
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Post by: jamiefairlie on May 13, 2021, 05:30:58 PM
I am strongly opposed to audiences clapping along to the beat during live music events.

Yes, especially if they then all stand up and sway awkwardly, occasionally putting their hands in the air mouthing ‘oooh’. Sit down (or stand at bar ir sides if no seating) or pogo down the front, the only two acceptable gig behaviours.
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Post by: Famous Mortimer on May 14, 2021, 02:22:09 PM
“Eruption” and “You Really Got Me” - tracks 2 and 3 on the first Van Halen album weren’t recorded separately. The tape was left running after the dying notes of Eruption, and they went straight into the Kinks cover.
Huh. I know that they're always played on US classic rock radio as if they're the same song (you never hear one without the other) but I didn't know that.
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Post by: willbo on May 14, 2021, 02:58:15 PM
I'm fairly certain that if Kurt Cobain had lived he would have spent the last 20 years making deranged electronic music.

I always imagine him just making these rough, primitive acoustic or garage rock albums that no-one buys but a cult following, like Elliot Smith crossed with Ty Seagall and Captain Beefheart.
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Post by: JaDanketies on May 14, 2021, 03:01:46 PM
There's footage of Kurt saying that he would like to become a respected singer-songwriter who can release some solo music on an acoustic guitar and for people to take it seriously. Big loss really.
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Post by: Cuellar on May 14, 2021, 03:20:41 PM
I love this video of Harry Connick Jr pulling a bit of rhythmic sleight of hand (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hYYgz-AJKU&ab_channel=JoshuaSurufka) to get the audience to clap on the right beat.

If you already know what a backbeat is and how time signatures work you can just watch this shorter clip (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UinRq_29jPk&ab_channel=Anton%26ThomasFriis) without all the explanation.

That's great. Thanks to a comment on the second video I noticed the person in the background celebrating just after he does it.
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Post by: JaDanketies on May 20, 2021, 01:02:58 PM
You might think that 'All Summer Long' by Kid Rock only samples Sweet Home Alabama - in fact, just preceding the sample, Mr Rock tells us that they were "singing Sweet Home Alabama all summer long."

However, it also samples Werewolves of London by Warren Zevon, which has a strikingly-similar riff but was released four years later than Sweet Home Alabama.
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Post by: George White on May 23, 2021, 09:13:22 AM
1975 Eurovision vvinner Ding Dong by Teach-in, written by Dutch Elvis mourner Danny Mirror
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Post by: willbo on May 25, 2021, 07:50:47 PM
Thundercat (the modern jazz artist) was in Suicidal Tendencies with his brother
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Post by: famethrowa on May 26, 2021, 05:17:59 AM
What a rip!

(https://i.redd.it/q9t0tt351dm21.jpg)
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Post by: Oz Oz Alice on May 26, 2021, 10:33:04 AM
Lol now you mention it...

Get Busy In The Abyss (http://www.youtubemultiplier.com/60ae150d9b144-get-busy-in-the-abyss.php)

If I was actually good at mash-ups I reckon I'd be able to make it work.
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Post by: popcorn on May 26, 2021, 10:42:37 AM
What a rip!


that's mad. always hated that cover and I can't work out if this makes me like it slightly more or even less.
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Post by: daf on May 26, 2021, 10:51:11 AM
Loads more for me - a proper FMH hiding in plain sight.

Looking at the cover, I previously thought the planets might have been taken from an Old Moore's Almanac or some similar antiquarian wood-cut - but I'd never detected the face and superhero bloke on the other side. *

I wonder how they did it? Easy these days with photoshop, but there's a lot of subtle transparent layers going on - possibly slides projected over each other on a wall, then photographed and airbrushed?

- - - - - - - - -
* Ha! Just spotted the top of the speech bubble on the cover!
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Post by: popcorn on May 26, 2021, 11:10:08 AM
Not musical, but reminds me of this:

Batman comic:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ezrf5KLXoAkewBF?format=jpg&name=large)

Sonic Adventure:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ezrf5KDWEAEO1Tx?format=jpg&name=large)
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Post by: buzby on May 26, 2021, 11:57:54 AM
Loads more for me - a proper FMH hiding in plain sight.

Looking at the cover, I previously thought the planets might have been taken from an Old Moore's Almanac or some similar antiquarian wood-cut - but I'd never detected the face and superhero bloke on the other side. *

I wonder how they did it? Easy these days with photoshop, but there's a lot of subtle transparent layers go