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Title: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: Blue Jam on June 15, 2018, 02:33:50 PM
Cirque de Clunes. Actually, pretty much all of that episode...
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: Utter Shit on June 15, 2018, 02:51:53 PM
Putting chocolate mousse on a person IS demented.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: Sgt. Duckie on June 15, 2018, 03:27:48 PM
Fanny Thomas was too unsavoury.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on June 15, 2018, 04:10:46 PM
Those precocious American film-making kids from KMKYWAP were little shits and I actually felt quite sorry for Alan when they made fun of him.

Quite a few of Alan's guests on that show were objectionable: those kids, Keith Hunt, Gary Barker, and worst of all, obviously, Forbes McAllister.

They all made Alan look relatively sympathetic, which was a nice touch; he's such a richly layered character, your opinion of him can change from one moment to the next. He's fundamentally a rude, ignorant, narcissistic, insensitive, small-minded wally, but he's also vulnerable, needy and weirdly innocent. I always love those moments when Alan's carapace of self-confidence crumbles completely and he turns into a frightened little boy.

Speaking of objectionable guests in the Partridge universe, everyone he interviews in MMM is quite nice really. That should, in theory, alter the dynamic and reduce the joke to "Haha, look at Alan making a fool of himself", but Coogan and the Gibbons always make sure that we're never just laughing at him. Well, we are sometimes, but that underlying pathos and vulnerability is still there.

That was a long post, wasn't it, Andy?

Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: DrGreggles on June 15, 2018, 04:25:24 PM
The child genius on radio KMKYWAP.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: sevendaughters on June 15, 2018, 04:28:46 PM
Owl/bird sanctuaries are good places for dates.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: studpuppet on June 15, 2018, 04:29:47 PM
Every time he's put on the spot by Morris in OTH/TDT, but particularly when his wife rises from the dead (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zg9J8TX1VA).

Edited to say this reanimated wife is obviously Carol, who despite having a bit of a hoy about her, then repays his loyalty by going off with the fitness instructor, which makes "I do love her" in this clip all the more heartbreaking.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: magval on June 15, 2018, 04:36:09 PM
I have a lot of these, but this one is one I kind of have to argue:

Alan saying his favourite Beatles album is 'The Best of The Beatles'.

The way it comes across to me is that when it comes to music, Alan knows his stuff, and can't be bothered with any pretensions that typically come with discussing a band as revered as the Beatles, who he openly eschews in favour of Wings.

I think it comes across like a moment where you're expected to think Alan is an idiot, out of touch maybe, but recently I've taken it much more positively. I'm not saying he's a savant when it comes to music, but he's definitely not stupid. Just honest. No single Beatles album is as good as a collection of the best tracks of each. I feel the same way about Underworld.

As someone above said, the France episode of KMKYWAP is full of these, but for me the peak is the fashion section.

Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: Blue Jam on June 15, 2018, 04:52:38 PM
Owl/bird sanctuaries are good places for dates.

No worse than zoos really, and they probably smell a lot less.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: Blue Jam on June 15, 2018, 04:55:55 PM
Alan saying his favourite Beatles album is 'The Best of The Beatles'.

That's actually a better and less lazy answer than "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band. Best album of all time? It's not even the best album by The Beatles.

As for him saying in I, Partridge: "I realised that no good music had been made since 1987",  while I can't agree with that, I can sort of relate whenever I hear Radio 1 now. Make that 2007?
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on June 15, 2018, 05:01:48 PM
I have a lot of these, but this one is one I kind of have to argue:

Alan saying his favourite Beatles album is 'The Best of The Beatles'.

The way it comes across to me is that when it comes to music, Alan knows his stuff, and can't be bothered with any pretensions that typically come with discussing a band as revered as the Beatles, who he openly eschews in favour of Wings.

I think it comes across like a moment where you're expected to think Alan is an idiot, out of touch maybe, but recently I've taken it much more positively. I'm not saying he's a savant when it comes to music, but he's definitely not stupid. Just honest. No single Beatles album is as good as a collection of the best tracks of each. I feel the same way about Underworld.

Yes, the joke is definitely 'Alan is such a clueless dolt, he can't even name an album by the most famous band of all time', but, with your more positive reading in mind, Magval, it's possible that Alan is actually referring to the famous Red and Blue compilations.

Speaking of that scene, Ben generally comes across as quite self-satisfied, but he does seem to genuinely want to chat about music with this middle-aged DJ. He initially assumes that Alan must know his stuff, seeing as he plays records on the radio for a living. The penny only drops when Alan reveals his ignorance of Nirvana and (allegedly) The Beatles.

You're right, though, Alan actually does like music. He's a big fan of ABBA, ELO, Wings, classic Queen, Kate Bush, Steeleye Span and Gary Numan in particular.

It's quite funny how Alan's love of ABBA and ELO was originally intended to signify how naff and out of touch he was, whereas these days, post critical reevaluation, you wouldn't laugh at the mere idea of someone being a fan of theirs.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: Operty1 on June 15, 2018, 05:17:24 PM
Wasn't Alan referring to the album put out by original fifth Beatle member Pete Best called 'Best Of The Beatles'?

Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: BeardFaceMan on June 15, 2018, 05:20:24 PM
He initially assumes that Alan must know his stuff, seeing as he plays records on the radio for a living. The penny only drops when Alan reveals his ignorance of Nirvana and (allegedly) The Beatles.

No, he says to Alan something like "I didnt know you were into music, I mean, Ive heard your show",it was the B&O stereo that made him think Alan knew his stuff, which he then quickly disproved. I'm pretty sure his music taste is supposed to be shit (or at least seemingly naff) with all the bands he namechecks,  especially thinking Wings were the band The Beatles could have been.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: Brundle-Fly on June 15, 2018, 05:20:30 PM
The funky fretless bass intro of Music For Chameleons by Gary Numan does make me want to play air guitar too.

Oi cackling studio audience! Leave Alan alone in his reverie.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: The Lurker on June 15, 2018, 05:40:16 PM
Not liking cemeteries because they remind him of death
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: kalowski on June 15, 2018, 05:47:40 PM
Not wanting to invite Chris Rea around to a barbecue.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: Angrew Lloyg Wegger on June 15, 2018, 06:58:17 PM
I’ve been to Norwich and I have some very strong views on the pedestrianisation of the city centre.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: Artemis on June 15, 2018, 07:14:01 PM
His account of the first gathering of The Day Today staff. I related to the nervousness and subsequent daft behaviour.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: magval on June 15, 2018, 07:17:21 PM
Further to my post above, I think it's fucking brilliant that Alan has the music from The Return Of The Saint in his car. It's a great piece of music but a really weird niche thing to have and he probably had to go out of his way to get that.

I listen to a lot of game soundtracks and other oddities when I'm driving and really identify with Alan because of this scene. I'm probably more on Alan's side than you're intended to be. Same with Larry David in CYE. I nearly ALWAYS agree with Larry.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on June 15, 2018, 07:21:24 PM
No, he says to Alan something like "I didnt know you were into music, I mean, Ive heard your show",it was the B&O stereo that made him think Alan knew his stuff, which he then quickly disproved. I'm pretty sure his music taste is supposed to be shit (or at least seemingly naff) with all the bands he namechecks,  especially thinking Wings were the band The Beatles could have been.

Ah yes, I forgot about Ben's "I mean, I've heard your show" line. But as you say, when Alan mentions his smart new stereo, Ben reconsiders and thinks, oh, maybe he's an old guy who secretly knows his stuff after all.

Alan's famous Wings and "Come back, ELO" lines are quite obviously intended as a joke at his expense; the fact that Jeff Lynne and McCartney's solo/Wings output are looked upon more kindly these days doesn't alter that. We get the point.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on June 15, 2018, 07:25:13 PM
Wasn't Alan referring to the album put out by original fifth Beatle member Pete Best called 'Best Of The Beatles'?

There is absolutely no way that Alan would be aware of such an obscure record.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: dr beat on June 15, 2018, 09:11:18 PM
What about the retired copper who Lynne dates? Ok so Alan could have treated her better, but it's still a bit much to threaten to knock his block off on a first meeting. Particularly as he's an upholder of the law and supposedly a committed Christian.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: jobotic on June 15, 2018, 09:35:20 PM
He's an arsehole, yeah.

I'm on Alan's side in regards to the fitness instructor. Always with the love underdog.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: holyzombiejesus on June 15, 2018, 09:35:49 PM
Ah yes, I forgot about Ben's "I mean, I've heard your show" line. But as you say, when Alan mentions his smart new stereo, Ben reconsiders and thinks, oh, maybe he's an old guy who secretly knows his stuff after all.

Alan's famous Wings and "Come back, ELO" lines are quite obviously intended as a joke at his expense; the fact that Jeff Lynne and McCartney's solo/Wings output are looked upon more kindly these days doesn't alter that. We get the point.

There's that bit on one of the IAPs where he states that his punk hour will culminate with a track by Madness. He's definitely intended to be naff and a bit clueless when it comes to music, and films and books. Alan doesn't get culture, it makes him feel uncomfortable. I bet he fucking loves Galway Girl though.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: holyzombiejesus on June 15, 2018, 09:42:50 PM
I was glad he took the piss out of Kate Fitzgerald (Needles to say, I took drugs) during that religious programme he guested on.

Can't remember which series it's on, or any other context, but there's a bit on one episode where he's helping a small child and he seems genuinely lovely and kind. He says something like 'go on, my love' in a really sweet voice. I do like it when they show him to be a decent man (occasionally). I remember feeling quite sad at the end of the Christmas special when he said he spent the whole day alone.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: the on June 15, 2018, 09:46:02 PM
What about the retired copper who Lynne dates? Ok so Alan could have treated her better, but it's still a bit much to threaten to knock his block off on a first meeting. Particularly as he's an upholder of the law and supposedly a committed Christian.
He's an arsehole, yeah.

I think it's more that he suffers from the poor/clunky characterisation that crops up a lot in IAP2.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: Blue Jam on June 15, 2018, 09:46:39 PM
It's quite funny how Alan's love of ABBA and ELO was originally intended to signify how naff and out of touch he was, whereas these days, post critical reevaluation, you wouldn't laugh at the mere idea of someone being a fan of theirs.

I remember a time when music journalists started asking if ELO's reputation for naffness was a bit unfair, and wondering why a band with such a strong collection of songs had never been considered one of the greats, up there with The Beatles and the Stones... and that this was in the mid-1990's... Not to mention this excellent use of an ELO sample (https://youtu.be/fnwbmt1BKes).

Didn't Kate Bush also undergo a critical reappraisal around the same time? I was never a fan but I do remember that one minute Adele Murray from Brookside was worried about her classmates seeing her as "that weirdo with her Kate Bush records", and the next John Lydon was on stage at the NME Awards shouting over at her "Your music is BRILLIANT!". In any case, suggesting that anyone might be naff and clueless for liking Kate Bush would seem very weird these days.

John Lydon is also famously a fan of ABBA... I think with Alan Partridge liking ABBA and Queen the joke isn't that they're naff or that their music is bad (because they're not and it isn't) but that they're both camp and loved by a man who describes himself as "homoskeptic". There's a similar joke in Green Wing (possibly a deleted scene) where Guy goes on about being a big fan of Queen and then tries to backtrack when he is told their singer was gay, because he genuinely had no idea (mind you, I've heard that a lot of real-life Queen fans are a bit like that...).

I digress... This is a fun read, with a couple of Spotify playlists:

https://www.theguardian.com/music/musicblog/2013/aug/05/alan-partridge-music-taste-surprisingly-great
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: holyzombiejesus on June 15, 2018, 10:00:34 PM
I think with Alan Partridge liking ABBA and Queen the joke isn't that they're naff or that their music is bad (because they're not and it isn't) but that they're both camp and loved by a man who describes himself as "homoskeptic".

I disagree. And despite Abba's undoubted brilliance, I still think it's a bit naff that Alan likes them to the extent he does. In fact, you could argue that there is something a little comical, even tacky, about aspects of Abba, as great as they were. I wasn't aware he liked Queen either.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: shh on June 15, 2018, 10:04:12 PM
He had the decency to look sheepish at the unasked-for exposure to a lady's breasts.

Didn't Kate Bush also undergo a critical reappraisal around the same time? I was never a fan but I do remember that one minute Adele Murray from Brookside was worried about her classmates seeing her as "that weirdo with her Kate Bush records", and the next John Lydon was on stage at the NME Awards shouting over at her "Your music is BRILLIANT!". In any case, suggesting that anyone might be naff and clueless for liking Kate Bush would seem very weird these days.

I always thought the Kate Bush fanbase was meant to be a bit blokeish anyway - as if being associated with Gilmour & Gabriel somehow gave them permission. The yougov profile isn't a million miles away from Partridge either (although around 200 from Norwich) https://image.ibb.co/nEjSed/katebushyougov.jpg (https://image.ibb.co/nEjSed/katebushyougov.jpg)
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: greencalx on June 15, 2018, 10:42:00 PM
Call me Mr Simple but I thought the ABBA thing in KYMKYWAP was just over-extending the show’s catchphrase to a comically absurd degree. (Like the bit where he says “She’s come from Waterloo, very important that”).
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: Rolf Lundgren on June 15, 2018, 11:05:13 PM
What about the retired copper who Lynne dates? Ok so Alan could have treated her better, but it's still a bit much to threaten to knock his block off on a first meeting. Particularly as he's an upholder of the law and supposedly a committed Christian.

Alan has that coming. He does treat Lynne appallingly so it's nice to see somebody sticking up for her. Knocking his block off is a bit much but it doesn't have much malice considering it's from a middle-aged, church going ex-policeman called Gordon. 
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: Shameless Custard on June 15, 2018, 11:06:14 PM
The hotel staff WERE a bit rude, weren't they? All that sniggering, and talking to him in a sneery way.

These days they'd get a VERY candid Yelp review. Those days it was chaos, mate
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: Nowhere Man on June 16, 2018, 03:37:14 AM
I always thought Sophie from the hotel was quite an arse to Alan a lot of the time. Maybe it's just that smug smirk she often had though.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: clarkgwent on June 16, 2018, 04:15:40 AM
His critique of "Big Yellow Taxi" on MMM....the parking lot would definitely "ease congestion on the outskirts of Paradise." That song as many of Joni's is riddled with rich hippy privilege.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: magval on June 16, 2018, 05:23:59 AM
Call me Mr Simple but I thought the ABBA thing in KYMKYWAP was just over-extending the show’s catchphrase to a comically absurd degree. (Like the bit where he says “She’s come from Waterloo, very important that”).

I've thought about this too. He even says in the radio series that he prefers the Geoff Love Orchestra version of the song itself, which I doubt a true Abba fan would. Yeah, it seems like just an extension of a bad idea beyond its logical stopping point. Total Alan.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: Lemming on June 16, 2018, 06:02:01 AM
Firmly on Alan's side in I, Partridge when he orders his bullies to retrieve his piss-soaked trunks. He was their patrol leader.

His critique of "Big Yellow Taxi" on MMM....the parking lot would definitely "ease congestion on the outskirts of Paradise." That song as many of Joni's is riddled with rich hippy privilege.

For the longest time, I defended Big Yellow Taxi because I thought the crucial line, being the source of the title, was "a big yellow taxi took away my old man", which I'd always interpreted as being the singer's husband/boyfriend. The whining about parking lots and tree museums wasn't meant to be serious, just the narrator lashing out at random to deal with the pain of her significant other walking out on her, which I thought was pretty clever.

Then one day I saw Joni Mitchell directly state that the song was literally about parking lots. Agreed, I'm with Alan.

The hotel staff WERE a bit rude, weren't they? All that sniggering, and talking to him in a sneery way.

These days they'd get a VERY candid Yelp review. Those days it was chaos, mate
I always thought Sophie from the hotel was quite an arse to Alan a lot of the time. Maybe it's just that smug smirk she often had though.

They're dicks, especially Ben and Sophie, but it's easy to see yourself being the same if you were forced to deal with Alan every day for however many days he was stuck there.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: jobotic on June 16, 2018, 06:51:42 AM
Actually the presence of Gordon led to this, which I often sing to myself while chuckling, so I'm reviewing my opinion.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2pa4PcpwdwI#
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: St_Eddie on June 16, 2018, 07:08:43 AM
hey're dicks, especially Ben and Sophie, but it's easy to see yourself being the same if you were forced to deal with Alan every day for however many days he was stuck there.

182 days according to these two quotes from episode 6...

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Alan: "Of course my mind’s flying, Lynn. I’ve been living in a hotel for twenty-six weeks. A hundred and eighty two days in a Travel Tavern."

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Susan: "I’ll tell you what my problem is! Having to listen to your crap for the last six months! You’ve been in this hotel for a hundred and eighty-two days, you little shit!"

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182 days!  Alan could have gone around the world with Jackie Chan, twice over with change to spare, in that amount of time!
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: Cuellar on June 16, 2018, 10:02:41 AM
His critique of "Big Yellow Taxi" on MMM....the parking lot would definitely "ease congestion on the outskirts of Paradise." That song as many of Joni's is riddled with rich hippy privilege.

I don't think it would, because the song specifically states they paved over Paradise. So once the parking lot goes up there wouldn't be any Paradise for traffic to be eased in.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: The Lurker on June 16, 2018, 10:13:24 AM
I also enjoy having the last laugh so I can understand why he'd end every anecdote with it
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on June 16, 2018, 11:17:36 AM
I don't think it would, because the song specifically states they paved over Paradise. So once the parking lot goes up there wouldn't be any Paradise for traffic to be eased in.

Yeah but you wouldn’t pave over the whole of paradise - you’d just pave over a bit if it in order to ease congestion on the outskirts. Joni takes umbrage with the paving of any amount of paradise, which Alan (correctly) concludes is a bit blinkered.

Still, nice song,
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: Kryton on June 16, 2018, 11:35:52 AM
The bit with the fruit sellers in Places of my life (or was it scissored isle) with the fruit sellers. The staff and customers all laugh at his expense - 'Just be yourself, oh actually better not Alan'...
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: New Jack on June 16, 2018, 11:41:10 AM
I have a lot of these, but this one is one I kind of have to argue:

Alan saying his favourite Beatles album is 'The Best of The Beatles'.



You've missed the joke - "Best of the Beatles" is a real album - was Pete Best's cash in album - there is no Beatles comp called "Best of the Beatles"

There is absolutely no way that Alan would be aware of such an obscure record.

So have you - he's blagging, assuming the Beatles have such an album, not knowing the above

Stop getting Partridge wrong!!!
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: kittens on June 16, 2018, 11:45:52 AM
that's not what the joke is at all.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on June 16, 2018, 11:52:23 AM
that's not what the joke is at all.

Kittens bang on the money here. He’s just naming a (fictitious) compilation album, instead of selecting a concept record or whatever. It’s a radio 2 listener’s answer.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: St_Eddie on June 16, 2018, 12:15:22 PM
Kittens bang on the money here. He’s just naming a (fictitious) compilation album, instead of selecting a concept record or whatever. It’s a radio 2 listener’s answer.

Yep, I'm going to have to agree here.  That's clearly what the joke is.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: Blue Jam on June 16, 2018, 12:33:37 PM
Going a bit off-topic, I am generally on Tommy Saxondale's side.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on June 16, 2018, 12:37:10 PM
Going a bit off-topic, I am generally on Tommy Saxondale's side.

I always found him very endearing. Rasmus Hardiker is from the same shit town as me so I like him and all.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: The Lion King on June 16, 2018, 12:51:30 PM
In a way I side with Alan in his comments toward the Norwich farming community, or at least I always felt like they took his first joke way too seriously, phoning in and swearing on his show. Then when Peter Baxendale Thomas comes in to force an apology you can see in Alan's face he was ready to say sorry but wasn't expecting to be treated in such a condescending way so then decided to go full throttle with the insults.

Also at the end of the first episode of series 2, after Lynn draws a chalk penis on that other teacher's back, someone tells him and he immediately flips out and tries to break into the shop. Seems a bit weird that he wouldn't take that as a joke, especially after they made friends and he seemed like a pretty reasonable bloke.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: St_Eddie on June 16, 2018, 01:05:54 PM
Going a bit off-topic, I am generally on Tommy Saxondale's side.

Me too.  I know that he's a pest controller but I didn't like him shooting the pigeon in the first episode.  Aside from that; yeah, I'm absolutely on his side.  I consider him something of a kindred spirit.  I see a lot of myself in him (good and bad).
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: Glebe on June 16, 2018, 02:35:51 PM
Wings.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: Blue Jam on June 16, 2018, 02:59:43 PM
Me too.  I know that he's a pest controller but I didn't like him shooting the pigeon in the first episode.

"If you like killing things so much why don't you join the Army, eh?"
"I don't like the hours."

I was definitely on his side against those twats.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on June 16, 2018, 03:10:04 PM
"If you like killing things so much why don't you join the Army, eh?"
"I don't like the hours."

I was definitely on his side against those twats.

“Ming the merciful”.

Side note - I love your little rabbit avatar. Could watch it for hours. Little rabbit! Lovely.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: St_Eddie on June 16, 2018, 04:39:09 PM
"If you like killing things so much why don't you join the Army, eh?"
"I don't like the hours."

I was definitely on his side against those twats.

Oh, absolutely. I loved Tommy shooting the knife wielding protester; a proper "wheeyyy!" moment. I just didn't like him shooting the pigeon.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: Phoenix Lazarus on June 16, 2018, 04:58:05 PM
When his geordie mate tells him a story whose 'punchline' is a monkey getting thrown in the sea, and presumably drowning, and Alan says, "well that's just upsetting," seemingly with genuine concern for the monkey.

When he escorts Kevin Eldon's character out of the room, after the latter remarks there's a few 'too many blacks," where he lives.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: Bobloblawslawbomb on June 16, 2018, 06:17:55 PM
Absolutely everything re Edmonds

https://www.cookdandbombd.co.uk/forums/index.php/topic,61782.0.html
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: QDRPHNC on June 16, 2018, 06:51:47 PM
The bit with the fruit sellers in Places of my life (or was it scissored isle) with the fruit sellers. The staff and customers all laugh at his expense - 'Just be yourself, oh actually better not Alan'...

Alan in the background of that part is one of the best physical bits of acting he's ever done. Confusion to sheepish laughter to a mocking belm in the space of 2 seconds.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on June 16, 2018, 07:31:55 PM
When he escorts Kevin Eldon's character out of the room, after the latter remarks there's a few 'too many blacks," where he lives.

I recall Coogan once saying something along the lines of Alan being someone who is aware of political correctness, he sort of understands it and wants to go along with it He's right-wing and ill-informed, but he's not an out and out bigot. 
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on June 16, 2018, 07:38:51 PM
Alan in the background of that part is one of the best physical bits of acting he's ever done. Confusion to sheepish laughter to a mocking belm in the space of 2 seconds.

I love how Alan attempts to get his own back in the edit by blatantly implying that the market stall owner would be a menace to society if he didn't have a job to occupy his time.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: the on June 16, 2018, 09:26:58 PM
Also at the end of the first episode of series 2, after Lynn draws a chalk penis on that other teacher's back, someone tells him and he immediately flips out and tries to break into the shop. Seems a bit weird that he wouldn't take that as a joke, especially after they made friends and he seemed like a pretty reasonable bloke.

There's that poor/clunky characterisation in IAP2 again.

That entire scene makes no sense anyway. The teacher turns up unexpectedly, so Alan couldn't have prompted Lynn to draw on his back, and Lynn is stood about 10 feet away from him throughout anyway. It's bizarrely careless. The writing of IAP2 must have been badly rushed.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: Kryton on June 16, 2018, 10:39:08 PM
Alan in the background of that part is one of the best physical bits of acting he's ever done. Confusion to sheepish laughter to a mocking belm in the space of 2 seconds.

One upped by his incomprehensible rivalry with his fellow cashier Pat Bevin in the supermarket.

 also this makes me chuckle:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBEub-kOb2Q

'Hello I'm Alan Partridge and you must be Paul?'
'It's David'

Alan voice over: 'This was store manager David Paul'

Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: Brundle-Fly on June 16, 2018, 11:05:14 PM
Large Toblerones are fucking amazing it has to be said.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: Mobius on June 16, 2018, 11:16:38 PM
Alan couldn't have prompted Lynn to draw on his back, and Lynn is stood about 10 feet away from him throughout anyway. It's bizarrely careless.

I'd always thought he had got her do it earlier at the school and he hadn't noticed because he wouldn't have put his jacket on until the end of the day.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: The Lurker on June 17, 2018, 12:13:28 AM
While I understand that you don’t want a clown, the guy from Dante Fires should’ve allowed him to put a few jokes into his speech.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: St_Eddie on June 17, 2018, 12:47:37 AM
I recall Coogan once saying something along the lines of Alan being someone who is aware of political correctness, he sort of understands it and wants to go along with it He's right-wing and ill-informed, but he's not an out and out bigot.

One of my favourite comments from the commentary for the first series of I'm Alan Partrige is in relation to Bangkok Chickboys; "Alan's not gay but he's afraid that he might be".
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: Kryton on June 17, 2018, 12:55:15 AM
Do we think Lynn is mostly on Alan's side? I have the feeling she was initially subversive but has learned to manipulate him. But often feels pity and a kind of love, when he's not being a shit.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: St_Eddie on June 17, 2018, 01:19:24 AM
Do we think Lynn is mostly on Alan's side? I have the feeling she was initially subversive but has learned to manipulate him. But often feels pity and a kind of love, when he's not being a shit.

I always got the impression that Lynn secretly loved Alan in series 1 of I'm Alan Partridge (a great example of this being the fungal foot powder scene with Jill).  However, I suspect that this was retconned in series 2.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: RedRevolver on June 17, 2018, 01:44:26 AM
Whichever episode he kept on telling everyone not to look in *that* drawer.

We all have *that* drawer, surely?
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: Urinal Cake on June 17, 2018, 01:54:57 AM
Bill Oddie
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: Phoenix Lazarus on June 17, 2018, 06:49:11 AM
One of my favourite comments from the commentary for the first series of I'm Alan Partrige is in relation to Bangkok Chickboys; "Alan's not gay but he's afraid that he might be".

Just thinking of that scene when he says to another man, "I'd really love to have it off with her," in a very forced, stilted way, and those fantasies he has of himself dancing onstage in leather hotpants.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: St_Eddie on June 17, 2018, 08:17:37 AM
Whichever episode he kept on telling everyone not to look in *that* drawer.

We all have *that* drawer, surely?

No word of a lie; my Aunt came over to my flat to tidy up when I was feeling deathly ill.  She opened *that* drawer, said "oh" and promptly closed it again.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: Jockice on June 17, 2018, 12:43:10 PM
That woman on reception at the hotel did have a lovely smile.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: DrGreggles on June 17, 2018, 01:34:59 PM
That woman on reception at the hotel did have a lovely smile.

And an awful singing voice!
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: checkoutgirl on June 17, 2018, 01:49:34 PM
The child genius on radio KMKYWAP.

That's one where you can't be on Alan's side, surely? He smacked the kid and then ganged up on him until he pissed himself.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: St_Eddie on June 17, 2018, 02:08:44 PM
That's one where you can't be on Alan's side, surely? He smacked the kid and then ganged up on him until he pissed himself.

Aye but to be fair, he was a precocious little shit.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: Tombola on June 17, 2018, 02:16:27 PM
With no pubic hair.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: DrGreggles on June 17, 2018, 02:36:55 PM
That's one where you can't be on Alan's side, surely? He smacked the kid and then ganged up on him until he pissed himself.

"You are a little shit."

Too bloody right, Alan.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: Phoenix Lazarus on June 17, 2018, 02:57:36 PM
That time when the studio band does a sudden unexpected flourish of some sort, after Alan thinks they have finished introducing him, throwing him off for a moment as he starts his opening spiel.  "If you're going to surprise me, surprise me in rehearsal, not on the night.  Little bit naughty that," he tells the band, visibly repressing annoyance, while trying to maintain a good-humoured atmosphere.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: Jumblegraws on June 17, 2018, 03:11:51 PM
In KMKYWAP, when he hushes the elderly Olympian for being racist. It’s a bit of a cheat as he’s mainly doing it because he’s broadcasting a live primetime show, but I tend to think older racists get given too much leeway because of their age so would have been heartily applauding him in the audience.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: solidified gruel merchant on June 17, 2018, 04:03:43 PM


Can't remember which series it's on, or any other context, but there's a bit on one episode where he's helping a small child and he seems genuinely lovely and kind. He says something like 'go on, my love' in a really sweet voice. I do like it when they show him to be a decent man (occasionally). I remember feeling quite sad at the end of the Christmas special when he said he spent the whole day alone.


The only bit I can think of that resembles this is his conversation with ‘Sophie’ on MMM regarding the muppet and the bad man.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: Kryton on June 17, 2018, 04:23:39 PM
I always felt sorry for Alan when Michael didn't let him in his house. Even though in previous scenes Alan let Michael stay over in a spare room of the house he was building. Instead Alan is left slightly intimidated by the big bloke who leaves and then he has to just eat the cup of beans and sausage on the front, before sheepishly leaving the cup on the step. All the while, Michael is watching him through the door.

It's a very surreal scene, but I felt sorry for him.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: Gulftastic on June 17, 2018, 04:41:30 PM
In 'I, Partridge' when he's describing the break up with Carol, and his crying. He seemed so sad and pathetic. I just wanted to give him a cracking hug and take him out for a pint.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: Kryton on June 17, 2018, 04:46:01 PM

The only bit I can think of that resembles this is his conversation with ‘Sophie’ on MMM regarding the muppet and the bad man.

It also has the greatest Bill Oddie fantasy ever. Bill Oddie and the RSPCB vs the egg-stealing Russian Oligarchs.

'Bill Oddie goes APESHIT!'

(also Tim Key and Nigel Lindsey barely concealing smiles).
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: Vodka Margarine on June 17, 2018, 05:40:55 PM
When it dawns on Alan that everyone on the French KMKYWAP episode secretly went to the Folies Bergère the night before because Glenn Ponder deliberately engineered it that way. Horrible bunch of bastards. Sadly, Alan loses the moral highground by angrily sacking Ponder on the spot (which he's later forced to retract) but jesus, that's a dreadful thing to do to someone, even when it's Alan - who isn't so much a bully himself at this point, more a tactless ignorant prat. He simply doesn't deserve that level of psychological torture.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: holyzombiejesus on June 17, 2018, 08:09:32 PM

The only bit I can think of that resembles this is his conversation with ‘Sophie’ on MMM regarding the muppet and the bad man.

It's when he's helping the two girls dressed as turtle doves in KMKYule.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on June 17, 2018, 09:00:27 PM
Quote
Yes, the joke is definitely 'Alan is such a clueless dolt, he can't even name an album by the most famous band of all time'

That isn't the joke, that isn't even nearly the joke. Otherwise that would be completely thrown out by him mentioning Wings.

The point of the question posed to Alan is a conversation starter to compare albums in that kind of male oneupmanship way, yet Alan picks the one kind of album where it isn't possible to make a follow up comment about, with the added pathos of by doing so signalling that he is fundamentally middle brow and not an avid or obsessive music fan or collector (counter to the suggestion in the beginning of the scene). This further establishes the fact that Alan's career is as a chat show host/DJ yet doesn't possess the ability to hold anything other than a completely inane conversation.

Quote from: ferris
It’s a radio 2 listener’s answer.

Mmm.

 
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: solidified gruel merchant on June 18, 2018, 05:30:38 PM
It's when he's helping the two girls dressed as turtle doves in KMKYule.

Oh yes.

“You don’t have to flap anymore love, it’s ok”
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: solidified gruel merchant on June 18, 2018, 05:34:41 PM
That isn't the joke, that isn't even nearly the joke. Otherwise that would be completely thrown out by him mentioning Wings.

The point of the question posed to Alan is a conversation starter to compare albums in that kind of male oneupmanship way, yet Alan picks the one kind of album where it isn't possible to make a follow up comment about, with the added pathos of by doing so signalling that he is fundamentally middle brow and not an avid or obsessive music fan or collector (counter to the suggestion in the beginning of the scene). This further establishes the fact that Alan's career is as a chat show host/DJ yet doesn't possess the ability to hold anything other than a completely inane conversation.

Mmm.

I just took it that he couldn’t think of a Beatles album.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: solidified gruel merchant on June 18, 2018, 05:40:11 PM
When it dawns on Alan that everyone on the French KMKYWAP episode secretly went to the Folies Bergère the night before because Glenn Ponder deliberately engineered it that way. Horrible bunch of bastards. Sadly, Alan loses the moral highground by angrily sacking Ponder on the spot (which he's later forced to retract) but jesus, that's a dreadful thing to do to someone, even when it's Alan - who isn't so much a bully himself at this point, more a tactless ignorant prat. He simply doesn't deserve that level of psychological torture.

Yes, that whole episode is interesting in that we are obviously meant to take against Alan’s xenophobia (no French) and general English arrogance, and yet all the guests, with perhaps the exception of the chef, are twats.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: Dr Rock on June 18, 2018, 06:45:55 PM
I just took it that he couldn’t think of a Beatles album.

Compared to the other guy who's never heard of Wings? Alan 1, Sarcy Hotel Fella nil.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: Cuellar on June 18, 2018, 08:18:57 PM
The people at the Norfolk Bravery Awards were ruddy bloody brave.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: Neville Chamberlain on June 18, 2018, 11:26:24 PM
The whole Alan Partridge as a zombie, mainly because that;s the sort of stupid thing I'd try and do.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: kalowski on June 19, 2018, 06:47:55 AM
The Dante's fire scenario. Think about it. He'd lost nearly a pint of blood but rather than quit he soldiered on because "some of these people have come from Stoke."
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: Angrew Lloyg Wegger on June 19, 2018, 02:35:39 PM
I thought he dealt with the Joe Beesley situation with remarkable maturity and level-headedness. And the man's act was indeed very poor.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: Blue Jam on June 25, 2018, 05:00:12 PM
Some sicko probably would buy a video of a helicopter in giant wet underpants. Rule 34 and all that.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on June 26, 2018, 04:36:02 AM
Disliking Noel Edmonds.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: Mobius on June 28, 2018, 01:24:54 AM
When he was shopping in Tandy's and thought that the hifi stereo he was inspecting had a 'very nice action'

I agree that it was a very nice action.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: yesitsme on June 28, 2018, 12:22:21 PM
Of course The Best of the Beatles is his favourite Beatles album.  Why wouldn't it be?  They wouldn't allow it to be called The Best Of.. if it wasn't.

Sure, you can sit down and listen to each and every album from start to finish and decide on a favourite but why would you when someone else has done all the admin for you?

The Best of The Beatles is EXACTLY the album OAP would like best.

It's been touched on a few times but the final day in the Travel Tavern.

Despite being subjected to partially-wanted unfulfilled sexual propositions, having the piss taken out of him by hotel staff (basically his employees), having his Christmas dinner booked months in advance, being given sanitary bags every day along with all the other frustrations of living in a sordid grief hole he's still good enough to throw a going away party.

He's put on food and invited everyone who works there plus a bloke who laughs at lift noises and what does he get for it?

Shouted at by Michael, laughed at by Ben and Sophie and slapped across the face by Susan.

And he still tells Lynn that he thought it went 'quite well'.

How about the bit in the movie where he thinks he might die and he says 'tell my kids I love them'.

Poor Alan.

Plus his solo 'Gold Finger' walk by the side of the dual carriageway.  A long walk to X simply because he's got time to fill and nothing to fill it with.

Who hasn't done that?
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: StuglePStugleton on June 30, 2018, 11:41:01 PM
I'd have reacted the same with a gobful of English Mustard.

Oddly French Mustard...I'm gonna need a bigger spoon.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: Dr Rock on June 30, 2018, 11:56:01 PM
Of course The Best of the Beatles is his favourite Beatles album.  Why wouldn't it be?  They wouldn't allow it to be called The Best Of.. if it wasn't.

There's never been a Beatles compilation released called 'The Best Of The Beatles.'

(Barring some obscure Belgian/unofficial record that possibly exists)
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: StuglePStugleton on July 01, 2018, 12:00:02 AM
There's never been a Beatles compilation released called 'The Best Of The Beatles.'

(Barring some obscure Belgian/unofficial record that possibly exists)

Odd that isn't it?

Although (I may be wrong but) aren't the Red and Blue albums called "The Best of The Beatles 1963-1966", and "1967-1970"?

Like I say could be wrong
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: Dr Rock on July 01, 2018, 12:04:45 AM
Odd that isn't it?

Although (I may be wrong but) aren't the Red and Blue albums called "The Best of The Beatles 1963-1966", and "1967-1970"?

Like I say could be wrong

Just called 'The Beatles/1963-1966' and "The Beatles/1967-1970' but commonly referred to as the Red one or Blue one.

(https://images-eu.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61u5TQPZ2FL._SS500.jpg)
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: StuglePStugleton on July 01, 2018, 12:06:05 AM
Just called 'The Beatles 1963-1966' and "The Beatles 1967-1970'.

Like I said, could be wrong. Haha. I have those albums somewhere too! My bad!
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: QDRPHNC on July 01, 2018, 12:07:00 AM
Might be overthinking this one.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: Dr Rock on July 01, 2018, 12:08:23 AM
Might be overthinking this one.

No, I think it's part of the joke that Alan picks an album that doesn't exist.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: StuglePStugleton on July 01, 2018, 12:09:29 AM
Might be overthinking this one.

What else are internet forums for?

:P
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: petrilTanaka on July 01, 2018, 12:09:56 AM
There's never been a Beatles compilation released called 'The Best Of The Beatles.'

(Barring some obscure Belgian/unofficial record that possibly exists)

it was Pete Best's first album after being sacked. doubt they meant it, but I find it funnier knowing he's gone for a bland, conversation killer of an album to mention, and it's by a different artist
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: Dr Rock on July 01, 2018, 12:10:43 AM
it was Pete Best's first album after being sacked

I know, which is why I chose my words carefully.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: QDRPHNC on July 01, 2018, 01:16:35 AM
No, I think it's part of the joke that Alan picks an album that doesn't exist.

That doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. I always just figured that it marked Alan as one whose tastes in music are mainstream and facile, despite being a djock. "The Best of the Beatles" being the least insightful answer possible to the question.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: Dr Rock on July 01, 2018, 01:22:04 AM
That's the other part of the joke. The joke has two parts.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: QDRPHNC on July 01, 2018, 01:23:44 AM
Alright. Nyeeah... I don't know. Anyway.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: Dr Rock on July 01, 2018, 01:32:25 AM
Maybe it's a three part joke, because it is funny that Alan is revealed to have little knowledge of the Beatles despite being a DJ, as is happy to pick a 'best of', as surely that will contain their best material. The second part of the joke is that he picks an album that doesn't exist.  And further humour is extracted from us the viewer knowing he's done both those things, which are not to his credit, while thinking he's provided a perfectly reasonable answer, so we laugh at his foolish confidence.

There may be a fourth part, that's all i can think of though. Probably when he mentions Wings, the joke gains an extra layer, retrospectively. He's not a complete div about pop music that it seemed.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on July 01, 2018, 01:42:18 AM
There's never been a Beatles compilation released called 'The Best Of The Beatles.'

(Barring some obscure Belgian/unofficial record that possibly exists)

There's a dodgy bootleg here: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Best-Beatles-1962-64-Disc-Set/dp/B014R4LE22
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: QDRPHNC on July 01, 2018, 01:45:14 AM
I prefer the most straightforward interpretations: Naming the Best of the Beatles shows Alan's lack of insight or interest in his own field, and thinking Wings are the "band the Beatles could have been" shows a lack of taste, within the reality of the show at least.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on July 01, 2018, 02:56:22 AM
I prefer the most straightforward interpretations: Naming the Best of the Beatles shows Alan's lack of insight or interest in his own field, and thinking Wings are the "band the Beatles could have been" shows a lack of taste, within the reality of the show at least.

Bang on the money.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: Shaky on July 01, 2018, 02:58:25 AM
I prefer the most straightforward interpretations: Naming the Best of the Beatles shows Alan's lack of insight or interest in his own field, and thinking Wings are the "band the Beatles could have been" shows a lack of taste, within the reality of the show at least.

Yeah, it's definitely this. He likes Wings because they were more comfortably MOR than McCartney's previous band and it ties in with the notion that Alan has/had no genuine interest in music until he reached his late teens/early 20's. He was there when The Beatles were around but somehow they didn't make any impact on him.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: Poison To The Mind on July 04, 2018, 10:01:15 PM
As Dr Rock says, those are also parts of the joke. It is ABSOLUTELY a major part of the overall joke that Alan names an album that does not exist. If you don't get that bit, that's fine, other parts are available.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: neveragain on July 04, 2018, 10:45:11 PM
There's a "best of" cassette album.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: Bad Ambassador on July 05, 2018, 10:32:50 AM
I cannot believe an extremely simple joke has been this carefully dissected, only to reveal that it's an extremely simple joke.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: Chollis on July 05, 2018, 10:47:29 AM
extremely simple joke

but is it?
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: phantom_power on July 05, 2018, 11:39:53 AM
Yes. It is very much a cut-out "unintelligent person unwittingly says something unintelligent to unwittingly show their lack of intelligence" gag
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: Kane Jones on July 05, 2018, 11:48:52 AM
I prefer the most straightforward interpretations: Naming the Best of the Beatles shows Alan's lack of insight or interest in his own field, and thinking Wings are the "band the Beatles could have been" shows a lack of taste, within the reality of the show at least.

^ It's this, plain and simple.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: QDRPHNC on July 05, 2018, 02:56:32 PM
As Dr Rock says, those are also parts of the joke. It is ABSOLUTELY a major part of the overall joke that Alan names an album that does not exist. If you don't get that bit, that's fine, other parts are available.

Do you think the studio audience is laughing because they know there isn't an album called The Best of the Beatles?
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: kalowski on July 05, 2018, 05:46:37 PM
Do you think the studio audience is laughing because they know there isn't an album called The Best of the Beatles?
That's why I was laughing.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: thecuriousorange on July 05, 2018, 09:03:11 PM
I suppose when he defends Lynn in the AP movie, but that doesn't count as it's the least Alan Partridge thing ever. And since when could he play the bass?
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: magval on July 05, 2018, 09:45:53 PM
I think his air bass is good enough to suggest he could actually play.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: Avril Lavigne on July 05, 2018, 09:49:29 PM
I think his air bass is good enough to suggest he could actually play.

Yep. The only people who care about bass enough to ever unironically do air bass for their own enjoyment are bassists.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: magval on July 06, 2018, 08:09:08 AM
Yep. The only people who care about bass enough to ever unironically do air bass for their own enjoyment are bassists.

I can't tell if you're making fun of me or not.

Also worth nothing is Alan's drumming to the Return of the Saint theme also displays his efforts to be reasonably accurate while miming to songs.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: Avril Lavigne on July 06, 2018, 09:56:35 AM
I can't tell if you're making fun of me or not.

I'm not, most people just don't care about bass so I imagine air-bass isn't that popular outside of people who actually play.  On a few occasions when telling people I play bass in a band I've had to explain the difference between a bass and regular guitar and why it's necessary.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: samadriel on July 06, 2018, 10:26:10 AM
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/villains/images/8/84/William_murderface.jng.jpg)
"Bass is the foundation of the band!!!"
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: magval on July 06, 2018, 10:28:49 AM
I'm not, most people just don't care about bass so I imagine air-bass isn't that popular outside of people who actually play.  On a few occasions when telling people I play bass in a band I've had to explain the difference between a bass and regular guitar and why it's necessary.

Good man.

I can't play bass or guitar, but depending what band I'm listening to when I'm walking I'll either be air strumming or air picking with my right hand. Usually bass.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: Poison To The Mind on July 08, 2018, 10:34:12 PM
Do you think the studio audience is laughing because they know there isn't an album called The Best of the Beatles?

I think people in the studio audience are laughing because they know this.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: St_Eddie on July 09, 2018, 12:50:00 AM
I think people in the studio audience are laughing because they know this.

If by "people", you mean 'two', then yes, they were laughing because they knew that.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: magval on July 09, 2018, 06:25:43 AM
While I respect everyone's opinion and am only stating my own, I disagree strongly on two fronts, here -

1) I don't reckon regular people know enough about music to know there isn't a canonically-licensed Beatles album called The Best of the Beatles. Alan could jut have easily said "The Beatles' Greatest Hits" and the joke (if that's what it is) would have landed. When it comes to bands like the Beatles and Abba or performers like Elvis, common folk don't know the names of ANY albums, as the size and success of the songs means they haven't had to.

2) I still think there's more to the joke, and that Alan, who it's worth bearing in mind doesn't like Ben, is refusing to play his game of one-upsmanship. He's not naming The Best of the Beatles as an actual answer - he's expressing his thought that he doesn't care about ANY of the Beatles' albums, because their greatest hits compilation, which he only presumes exists, would suffice. Besides, he prefers Wings. Nothing wrong with that, either.

As far as my second point is concerned, it's been coloured somewhat by the passing 20+ years of getting to know Alan better and learning through various documentaries (in and out of character), the books and subsequent TV series and film what he's like as far as it comes to music.

He is not stupid.

What the original intention was may not matter because the character has evolved to be proven not to be musically as ignorant and so many of you insist. If you want to take it however you imagine Bayham, Iannucci and Coogan intended it in 1997, I'd argue that Alan deserves better.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: Dr Rock on July 09, 2018, 06:50:25 AM
I'd argue it's time for someone to ask Bayham, Iannucci or Coogan and settle this once and for all.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: Chollis on July 09, 2018, 11:04:54 AM
I'd argue it's time for someone to ask Bayham, Iannucci or Coogan and settle this once and for all.

Not a bad suggestion for any of you hip kids on Twitter or the like. I always open this thread hopefully expecting some funny Partridge recollections and find this fucking Beatles argument instead. It's deeply upsetting and must be resolved once and for all.

Obviously we shouldn't have to contact the writers of the show because the answer is very fucking clearly that Alan either doesn't know or doesn't care about any Beatles album, especially as a greatest hits compilation is more than adequate for a band he considers inferior to Wings.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: magval on July 09, 2018, 12:54:00 PM
I know, I wish I'd never mentioned it in the first place.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: Spudgun on July 09, 2018, 05:15:47 PM
Isn't the joke that every music fan knows that in such debates compilations don't count? Greatest Hits and Best of... collections are a cheap and obvious answer that don't tell you anything about the musical opinions of the person (which is the real point of discussing the question), they can't really be argued against, and ultimately leave the conversation nowhere to go.

Alan either doesn't realise this unwritten rule or ignores it and 'wins' the non-competitive debate on a subject he knows nothing about by basically cheating - as he would do with any act. (Favourite Queen album? The Best of Queen. Favourite Frank Zappa album? The Best of Frank Zappa, etc. etc.) Pulling that stunt for the biggest band ever underlines (a) how little knowledge he has of music, and (b) that he's more interested in giving an undisputed 'correct' answer and 'winning' than discussing opinions on an equal footing and potentially disagreeing.

Or have I been wrong all these years too?
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: gilbertharding on July 09, 2018, 05:37:51 PM
Does this debate define the concept of duality?

On the one hand, if there were an album called The Best of the Beatles, and it counted as an album (and had been compiled properly), it would be a legitimate shout for the 'best Beatles album'.

On the other hand... 
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: Twed on July 09, 2018, 06:34:28 PM
Isn't the joke that every music fan knows that in such debates compilations don't count? Greatest Hits and Best of... collections are a cheap and obvious answer that don't tell you anything about the musical opinions of the person (which is the real point of discussing the question), they can't really be argued against, and ultimately leave the conversation nowhere to go.
Yes. I feel that is exactly the joke and it surprises me that people are looking for more complex explanations. For most mainstream music enthusiasts, Beatles albums are a cultural touchstone, and there's always one that directly appealed to you and stands out as special. For Alan, it's a Best Of, a logical corporate exercise as opposed to Abbey Road or Sgt. Pepper's which were motivated by artistic expression.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: Dr Rock on July 09, 2018, 06:37:42 PM
I phoned up Almando and he says it was definitely an important part of the joke that there has never been an album called The Best Of The Beatles.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: St_Eddie on July 09, 2018, 08:22:27 PM
Isn't the joke that every music fan knows that in such debates compilations don't count? Greatest Hits and Best of... collections are a cheap and obvious answer that don't tell you anything about the musical opinions of the person (which is the real point of discussing the question), they can't really be argued against, and ultimately leave the conversation nowhere to go.

Alan either doesn't realise this unwritten rule or ignores it and 'wins' the non-competitive debate on a subject he knows nothing about by basically cheating - as he would do with any act. (Favourite Queen album? The Best of Queen. Favourite Frank Zappa album? The Best of Frank Zappa, etc. etc.) Pulling that stunt for the biggest band ever underlines (a) how little knowledge he has of music, and (b) that he's more interested in giving an undisputed 'correct' answer and 'winning' than discussing opinions on an equal footing and potentially disagreeing.

Or have I been wrong all these years too?

You're not wrong.  Some people are just reading too much into it.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: New Jack on July 09, 2018, 08:28:20 PM
I enjoy the double meaning of knowing it's also a Pete Best album, and the canon being flawed can't take it away!!

Anywho, a new one: I also get annoyed when I want a rail ticket and I'm behind someone buying a travel pass which involves photographs and scissors and forms and his access won't wipe
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: Zetetic on July 09, 2018, 10:58:50 PM
I phoned up Almando and he says it was definitely an important part of the joke that there has never been an album called The Best Of The Beatles.
That's odd - he told me that in the Partridgeverse, there was a The Best of the Beatles compilation album and it was actually a pretty good overview of their oeuvre.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: asids on July 10, 2018, 12:24:15 AM
I know this isn't exactly relevant to the original question of this thread, but when Alan goes to the arcade and shouts "Shitty zombies!", he's actually playing Crisis Zone, a spin-off of Time Crisis which contains terrorists, not zombies, so in fact he is fighting "shitty terrorists" instead. Alan's actually incorrect there. Other games he plays in the first sequence and then a repeat of it at the end of the episode include some fairly obscure mid-90s SEGA games - Manx TT SuperBike and WaveRunner. Alan is clearly a cultured arcade player who goes beyond the traditional cabinets.

Also someone brought up Gordon the retired police officer earlier as a time you were on Partridge's side, and I agree with that. Not with their initial meeting where he threatens him to treat Lynn better but the next time where Alan sees them together in the caravan and has to bump up Lynn's annual salary by a whole £1500 to keep him on his good side. Even then, after Lynn leaves he says I'm "still watching you". I mean, I know he treats Lynn bad, but come on. You can't still be angry with him after he does that.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: Hecate on July 10, 2018, 12:32:26 AM
The creepy-dad way he says "Julia Bradburry".
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: St_Eddie on July 10, 2018, 12:11:02 PM
Alan is clearly a cultured arcade player who goes beyond the traditional cabinets.

Seeming as it's somewhat related, I may as well post this (in hindsight, not very good) thing that I wrote several years ago.  A Brother Gibbon, I must certainly am not...

(https://i.imgur.com/0DMpGKe.jpg?1)

Interactive Gaming Concepts of Entertainment With Alan Partridge
(Sponsored By Daz)

Greetings self-confessed members of the game community.  I am renowned and respected broadcaster, Alan Partridge.  Whilst I am not a regular user of video-controlled-and-operated-gaming-toys, I did grow up playing the classics such as 'Pong' and 'Puck-Man'.  I have also been known to spend some of my darker moments, blasting the heads off zombies, in training for the inevitable zombie apocalypse, down at my local arcade emporium, ‘A Bunch of Slots’.

‘But why is a high-profile star of your status posting on a site for us computer nerds?’ I hear you ask (obviously, I don’t actually hear you ask that, as I’ve not experienced the voices in my head for some time now, thanks to my lovely prescribed medication; I’m merely being rhetorical).  Well, allow me to explain…

Several years ago (1997 to be precise), I pitched several innovative, ground-breaking TV series to the then chief commissioning editor of the BBC, who I won’t name here but for the sake of this anecdote I’ll simply refer to him by his surname of Hayres. As I pitched my brilliant ideas to Tony, he scoffed at them with the smile of a git. He was a petty, vindictive and petulant man, who lacked the wisdom or foresight to see the brilliance of my concepts.  One such concept was ‘Monkey Tennis’.

Hayres’ is now dead, killed during a roof related incident, which of course is a great tragedy because I was recently informed by my nephew that there is a miniature-game called ‘Monkey Tennis’, as a part of a greater collection of games titled ‘Superb Monkey Balls’.  Apparently, this game was a big hit and if Mr. Hayres was still with us today, he would be able to see just how stupendously moronic he was, to have rejected my ahead of its time pitch.  Alas, Tony is currently six feet under, his brains slowly being consumed by worms.  Considering the man, those worms must be starving from malnutrition.

When my nephew initially informed me of this revelation of simian bat and ball success; I quickly came to realise that, unlike the BBC, the game-video industry must be receptive to the ideas of the great thinkers of our time.  With that in mind (and having perused a catalogue of popular games on Amazon.com for inspiration), allow me pitch some of my concepts for future pixel-polygon entertainment…

Tomb Grader - You control an upper-middle class woman with an eye for architecture, as she strolls through various cemeteries, grading the tombs that she comes across, from ‘sub-par’ to ‘lovely stuff’.  To keep things interesting, occasionally a zombie will emerge from a tomb and the player must quickly phone the relevant emergency services for assistance (which in a zombie based situation; I suspect is probably the police, as the need for an ambulance has long since passed, by the time of zombification).

Resident Weevil - A gigantic mansion in the Cotswolds has been overrun by weevils and you play as an exterminator trying to rid the 16th century county house of the bothersome beetles.  The man who designed the mansion was eccentric to say the least, as you must collect various objects in order to access the different facilities (for example, you must find and combine seven gems to lift the toilet seat, by which point it’s usually too late).

Arm Wrestling With Chas & Dave - This was another pitch I made to the BBC some years ago and another pitch that they idiotically rejected.  Chas and Dave are still keen and a good idea is still a good idea.  Making the experience interactive, would only benefit the high tension stakes.  Also, quite frankly, this needs to happen sooner, rather than later, as Chas' skin has recently turned to the rather icky shade of lime green and he may not be long left for this world.

Day of the Lent Sickle - The player assumes the role of Father Dempsey, a Catholic priest during lent, as he takes a sickle and harvests the crops from the local parish in preparation for the post-lent feast.  The challenge lies in controlling the priest’s urge to gorge himself on the crops and therefore condemning himself to an eternity in hell.  This is based on a real-life Father Dempsey, whom I met on a cruise ship.  He was stricken with remorse for his breaking of lent and convinced he would be tortured in the pits of hell as a result.  I told him he was probably right.  "Honesty is the best policy" as God once said.

Daz Jackrabbit - The player assumes the role of a jackrabbit, whom uses Daz, the UK and Ireland's leading laundry detergent, to rid the land of evil stain monsters.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: Chollis on July 10, 2018, 12:21:03 PM
I phoned up Almando and he says it was definitely an important part of the joke that there has never been an album called The Best Of The Beatles.

Don't listen to him he's nuts!
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: Thomas on July 10, 2018, 12:59:47 PM
I imagine they opted for the fictional The Best of the Beatles because it would have been far less funny for him to say Greatest Hits or The Essential Beatles. It's easy to imagine that The Best of the Beatles would exist, especially in 1997 when it wasn't easy to immediately check, and it's the best arrangement of words for the gag. Even 'The Very Best' would diminish it. I don't know if the pedestrianisation of Norwich city centre was genuinely being considered at the time, and that bloke isn't really the son of the man who invented cats' eyes.

Also worth noting that Pete Best's album is simply titled Best of the Beatles, with no definitive article. Alan says 'The Best'. He's not referring to Pete Best's album, unless, in yet another layer of characterisation, Alan is also getting that wrong - for some reason.

QDRPHNC has it. Elegant and simple, as no doubt would be the tracklist for The Best of the Beatles.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: Fisher Goes Berserk on July 13, 2018, 01:30:21 PM
Isn't the joke that every music fan knows that in such debates compilations don't count?

That's how I've always read it. And the laziness and ignorance is compounded because it's the Beatles. Everybody knows at least one Beatles album.

I imagine they opted for the fictional The Best of the Beatles because it would have been far less funny for him to say Greatest Hits or The Essential Beatles.

I think so too. The alliteration and rhythm of the phrase is funnier than the alternatives.

Back on thread:

"You already ruddy have."
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: gilbertharding on July 13, 2018, 01:51:18 PM
I suppose it might have been funny if instead of 'Best of the Beatles' he knew the actual title of a Beatles compilation album, and remembered it was especially good.

It's the kind of thing he might be obsessive about. 'Beach Boys 20 Golden Greats', 'ChangesOneBowie', Status Quo 12 Gold Bars', 'ChangesTwoBowie'...
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: Blue Jam on February 25, 2019, 10:31:45 PM
"Mickey".
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: gilbertharding on February 26, 2019, 12:09:48 PM
Trudy Sky: "I think the day that it rose in our collective psyche..."

AP: "When you got the idea?

I forgot that a lot of the guests on Knowing Me Knowing You were every bit as dreadful, often worse, than Alan himself. Sometimes he skewered them quite nicely, even if he never had the upper hand for long.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: BritishHobo on February 28, 2019, 06:15:59 PM
Yeah, I'm watching it now and as fun as it is, it's sad to see the punk band in the first episode, and the clowns in episode 3, take over his show and humiliate him. He gets so many little victories though, like over the cunt Keith Hunt, who Patrick Marber plays brilliantly.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: OnlyRegisteredSoICanRead on March 01, 2019, 01:59:56 PM
That time he wasn't impressed by kitsch oversized tomato sauce bottles, unlike those 'two prositutes', Kati Puckrick and 'that lot'
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: ToneLa on March 01, 2019, 08:24:40 PM
Lately I've been really jamming, really digging, really vibing on the little moment when Alan has to sack Peartree Productions staff and picks on a fella because of a tic he has, rolling his eyes up & tutting

It is good when the man does the twitch and Alan points it out as it is truth. Just the crass, almost-casual destruction of this fella who almost certainly has this reflex built into his psyche, perhaps an emotional response that got baked into his routine, and it's too too late to iron out now and Alan just wheels it the fuck out and stamps on it, in front of everyone, bits rolling every which way

"You do *this* all the time"

All. The. Time. Imagine what that's like to do, the freewheeling horribleness of saying it. Imagine what it's like having it pointed oot! You know Alan wasn't making it up. It wasn't quite from the top of his head. And out comes this weird slice of some innocent fella's personal psychological pathos just to be crushed.

Not siding with Alan per se, just respect his argument as it were, the evidence being clear, technically correct again. Oh my god I'm a monster
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: BritishHobo on March 01, 2019, 08:53:48 PM
I love the self-fulfilling nature of him doing the tic in reaction to the firing. "Yeah, see? You did it again! Yeah, you’re definitely sacked."
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: Fisher Goes Berserk on June 04, 2021, 10:08:22 PM
When Seldom died.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: Jackson K Pollock on June 04, 2021, 10:33:54 PM
Funnily enough when I saw this thread had been bumped it would be someone (other than me) saying “when he punched Sidekick Simon”.

When he punched Sidekick Simon.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: Blue Jam on June 04, 2021, 10:44:31 PM
I assumed it had been bumped because of the whole thing of not wanting to hear the worthless views of the general public.

Anyway, that.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on June 05, 2021, 12:13:39 AM
Definitely that for me too. The hypocrisy of Alan criticising the general public for expressing inane viewpoints is funny, obviously, but at the same time I do sort of sympathise with broadcasters who have to pretend that idiotic contributions from their audience are of any value whatsoever.
Title: Re: Times you were on Alan Partridge's side
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on June 05, 2021, 12:56:05 AM
Moment of insanity - I clicked this thread without thinking and read it without watching this weeks episode.

What a fucking plonker.