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Title: Chart Music Podcast 2 (Man Sound) - ITS PIPOU TIME!
Post by: dr beat on August 11, 2020, 09:55:15 PM
And so a glorious new chapter begins in our discussion of quite frankly, the greatest podcast ever.  Possibly the greatest thing ever.

Tell all them folks over in General Bullshit with their Labours and their Glinners there's a new Sheriff in town - Sheriff Bummerdog.  We got a nice quiet little beach community here and he aims to keep it that way...
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Post by: daf on August 11, 2020, 10:08:18 PM
EEEEEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY UP!!!!! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTULEMU4Cuw)


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link to the old thread (https://www.cookdandbombd.co.uk/forums/index.php/topic,62290.0.html)
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on August 11, 2020, 10:11:51 PM
No one would have believed, in the early-ish years of the 21st century, that a lengthy podcast preoccupied with David Van Day, Simon Bates, B.A. Robertson, Zoo wankers, murky chart rundown publicity stills and a priapic '70s hound would provide bounteous succour for the pop-crazed youngsters of CaB.

Long may it continue.
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Post by: non capisco on August 11, 2020, 10:12:12 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/QJc8qJy/53851809-p.jpg) (https://ibb.co/QJc8qJy)

PIPOU APPROVES!
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on August 11, 2020, 10:15:04 PM
EEEEEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY UP!!!!! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTULEMU4Cuw)

It's impossible to listen to that without expecting Al's patented and rather joyous ejaculation.
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Post by: Brundle-Fly on August 11, 2020, 10:17:47 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/QJc8qJy/53851809-p.jpg) (https://ibb.co/QJc8qJy)

PIPOU APPROVES!



B..A  CUNTERSON DOES NOT!

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Title: Re: Chart Music Podcast 2 (Man Sound) - ITS PIPOU TIME!
Post by: non capisco on August 11, 2020, 10:21:34 PM
I'm honestly bloody glad there's a small community here that's as outright obsessed and in love with this podcast as I am. I relistened to the Neil and Sarah Q&A recently and half the questions are from usernames off here. In all sincerity the first post-lockdown episode where they all go nuts for the Meatloaf and Cher video lifted me out of a serious 'fuck this, the world is ending' slump. If I ever met Al I think I'd melt with gratitude, all power to the man for holding this all together.
Title: Re: Chart Music Podcast 2 (Man Sound) - ITS PIPOU TIME!
Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on August 11, 2020, 10:23:32 PM
Fozzie Bear motherfucker welcomes this new dawn in typically wry Manhattanite style.

(https://img.discogs.com/lPeMajTfjH_kWvZlIHqXukgaREM=/600x500/smart/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/A-288507-1424284767-4928.jpeg.jpg)
Title: Re: Chart Music Podcast 2 (Man Sound) - ITS PIPOU TIME!
Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on August 11, 2020, 10:32:50 PM
I'm honestly bloody glad there's a small community here that's as outright obsessed with this podcast as I am. I relistened to the Neil and Sarah Q&A recently and half the questions are from usernames off here. In all sincerity the first post-lockdown episode where they all go nuts for the Meatloaf and Cher video lifted me out of a serious 'fuck this, the world is ending' slump. If I ever met Al I think I'd melt with gratitude, all power to the man for holding this all together.

Absolutely, couldn't agree more. It's a much-needed source of respite and joy. The arrival of a new CM episode genuinely lifts my spirits.

I'd love to send a tweet to Al expressing how much his podcast means to me, and to all of us, but I'm too shy (shy, hush-hush, eye to eye) and it would just be plain embarrassing. I hope he knows, though.
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Post by: Neomod on August 11, 2020, 10:39:31 PM
I'd love to send a tweet to Al expressing how much his podcast means to me, and to all of us, but I'm too shy (shy, hush-hush, eye to eye) and it would just be plain embarrassing. I hope he knows, though.

I'm guessing as the CAB Chart Music thread is on the first page of results for 'Chart Music Podcast' Al and the panel are probably aware of the affection. 
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Post by: dr beat on August 11, 2020, 10:41:48 PM
Absolutely, couldn't agree more. It's a much-needed source of respite and joy. The arrival of a new CM episode genuinely lifts my spirits.

I'd love to send a tweet to Al expressing how much his podcast means to me, and to all of us, but I'm too shy (shy, hush-hush, eye to eye) and it would just be plain embarrassing. I hope he knows, though.

I can only echo this.  CMP is an absolute tonic, and has been particularly so over the last few months.
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Post by: non capisco on August 11, 2020, 10:44:38 PM
I'd love to send a tweet to Al expressing how much his podcast means to me, and to all of us, but I'm too shy (shy, hush-hush, eye to eye) and it would just be plain embarrassing. I hope he knows, though.

Do it. I've blown plenty of smoke up his arse via social media and he's always gracious about it and happy to engage, as is Simon.
Title: Re: Chart Music Podcast 2 (Man Sound) - ITS PIPOU TIME!
Post by: Seedsy on August 11, 2020, 10:59:20 PM
No one would have believed, in the early-ish years of the 21st century, that a lengthy podcast preoccupied with David Van Day, Simon Bates, B.A. Robertson, Zoo wankers, murky chart rundown publicity stills and a priapic '70s hound would provide bounteous succour for the pop-crazed youngsters of CaB.

Long may it continue.



It's the reason I joined this forum. Started listening to the podcasts, and thought there has to be some like minded individuals
The greatest podcast ever.  I Dont have the most glamorous of jobs, but it's a driving job. Im a pharmaceutical delivery driver, for a well known chemists. Plenty of time to listen, and relisten to CM.
Title: Re: Chart Music Podcast 2 (Man Sound) - ITS PIPOU TIME!
Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on August 11, 2020, 11:01:21 PM
I'm guessing as the CAB Chart Music thread is on the first page of results for 'Chart Music Podcast' Al and the panel are probably aware of the affection.

Ah, that's good to know. Plus they presumably have a few thousand regular listeners? It's a copper-bottomed success.

I can only echo this.  CMP is an absolute tonic, and has been particularly so over the last few months.

Relistening to old eps of CM in the insomniac dead of anxious lockdown night has been so comforting. They've kept me going. Laughing out loud, in the dark, at a brilliant Taylor quip about Noel Edmonds or whoever has served as a distraction. I know we all feel the same way.

Do it. I've blown plenty of smoke up his arse via social media and he's always gracious about it and happy to engage, as is Simon.

I sent him a nice tweet a couple of years ago. Anything more than that and I'll feel like Rupert Pupkin.
Title: Re: Chart Music Podcast 2 (Man Sound) - ITS PIPOU TIME!
Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on August 11, 2020, 11:02:16 PM


It's the reason I joined this forum. Started listening to the podcasts, and thought there has to be some like minded individuals
The greatest podcast ever.  I Dont have the most glamorous of jobs, but it's a driving job. Im a pharmaceutical delivery driver, for a well known chemists. Plenty of time to listen, and relisten to CM.

That's lovely. Welcome aboard!
Title: Re: Chart Music Podcast 2 (Man Sound) - ITS PIPOU TIME!
Post by: Brundle-Fly on August 11, 2020, 11:05:31 PM
Only another 1,707 TOTP episodes to go. Come on Al, pull your finger out.
Title: Re: Chart Music Podcast 2 (Man Sound) - ITS PIPOU TIME!
Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on August 11, 2020, 11:07:06 PM
The man is a bloody disgrace.
Title: Re: Chart Music Podcast 2 (Man Sound) - ITS PIPOU TIME!
Post by: non capisco on August 11, 2020, 11:11:49 PM
Only another 1,707 TOTP episodes to go. Come on Al, pull your finger out.

I think I've now seen all the surviving ones from '67-'89 and they can definitely keep it going without the well running dry and the format bumping up against itself for a long while yet without even having to address the obvious elephant in the room.
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Post by: buzby on August 11, 2020, 11:22:10 PM
My god, she was as ubiquitous as Afrodiziak back in the day.
She was, usually as a duo act with Linda Taylor, as she was on Sharpe's Famous People album. He husband Richard Niles did the brass and string arrangements on the album too.

Can that Smash Hits 'Bits' story be verified about Gaz Numan happening to be booked in the studio next door to Bill Sharpe
Not quite true, I'm afraid  Sharpe was recording his solo album at Numan's Rock City Studios in Shepperton (where Shakatak had recorded 3 albums). He had written Change Your Mind and had a go at singing it himself, when the house engineer Nick Smith suggested it might suit Gary's voice. Smith gave a tape of the track to Gary's dad, and Gary said he was interested in doing it.

It was more an "obvious thing I've just realised" than a "fuck my hat I never knew that". I was aware it was Benny and Bjorn and thus all sounded quite ABBAesque, I was 9 and everyone's mum seemed to have the album then. Just never occured that it might actually be a leftover ABBA number. ONIB was surely written from scratch for the show though, I'm guessing.
Again, not quite. It bears some similarity to the full length version (https://youtu.be/TuZEVL61uFI) of ABBA's Summer Night City, including having an orchestral overture before the main part of the song starts (the full length version was unreleased until it was included on 1994's Thank You For The Music rarities compilation).

As was pointed out in the podcast, only the chorus melody of I know Him So Well was recycled from I Am An A (https://youtu.be/nFaqwV5Pz0A?t=44). The rest of the song was new (or previously unused) material.
Title: Re: Chart Music Podcast 2 (Man Sound) - ITS PIPOU TIME!
Post by: buzby on August 11, 2020, 11:31:05 PM
I'm guessing as the CAB Chart Music thread is on the first page of results for 'Chart Music Podcast' Al and the panel are probably aware of the affection.
And at least one of them has joined the site, but has not posted (hello, KaptainKulk - he has the same handle on twitter).
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on August 11, 2020, 11:32:53 PM
Out of interest, are there any Major Artists they haven't covered yet? They covered The Smiths in the latest episode, the first time they've ever talked about them at length, but who's left? U2? Bowie? They've not had an opportunity to talk about Prince in any depth, have they?

Not that yakking about the big guns is the point of this podcast; 15 minutes devoted to the obscure likes of Two Man Sound is what makes the show so special. But it's always so interesting whenever they talk about artists who frequently appear on the cover of Mojo et al.

Neil being a massive fan of the Stones, for instance, or Pricey being an ELO devotee; you just never know which way they're going to go. And I always love that moment of tension whenever Al hands over to Taylor following one of those spirited celebrations. Will he agree, or won't he?

Now THAT'S drama.
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Post by: Seedsy on August 11, 2020, 11:42:40 PM
Out of interest, are there any Major Artist they haven't covered yet? They covered The Smiths in the latest episode, the first time they've ever talked about them at length, but who's left? U2? Bowie? They've not had an opportunity to talk about Prince in any depth, have they?

Not that yakking about the big guns is the point of this podcast; 15 minutes devoted to the obscure likes of Two Man Sound is what makes the show so special. But it's always so interesting whenever they talk about artists who frequently appear on the cover of Mojo et al.

Neil being a massive fan of the Stones, for instance, or Pricey being an ELO devotee; you just never know which way they're going to go. And I always love that moment of tension whenever Al hands over to Taylor following one of those spirited celebrations. Will he agree, or won't he?

Now THAT'S drama.

Taylor im sure ripped "ask" by the smiths to shreds. I actually really like that single. He thought it was throaway pap

beastie boys? I'd love to hear their thoughts on them. But alot of the big hitters have been covered I'm sure
Title: Re: Chart Music Podcast 2 (Man Sound) - ITS PIPOU TIME!
Post by: dr beat on August 11, 2020, 11:46:09 PM
Going from memory Bowie featured with Ashes to Ashes in the infamous Roger Daltrey "mind yer backs" episode. Smiths have featured a couple of times, but no U2 as far as I recall.
Title: Re: Chart Music Podcast 2 (Man Sound) - ITS PIPOU TIME!
Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on August 11, 2020, 11:50:17 PM
Dr Beat's link to Al's lovely wee guide to Northampton, from the vinegar strokes of the original thread.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqZTP8-8wIs
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Post by: Brundle-Fly on August 12, 2020, 12:11:57 AM
Out of interest, are there any Major Artists they haven't covered yet? They covered The Smiths in the latest episode, the first time they've ever talked about them at length, but who's left? U2? Bowie? They've not had an opportunity to talk about Prince in any depth, have they?

Kate Bush been covered yet?  I'd love to hear them cover more sixties episodes. Those idiots who wiped those early tapes of TOTPs can now be doubly ashamed because of what we've been deprived of.

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Post by: buzby on August 12, 2020, 12:34:27 AM
Kate Bush been covered yet?
Yes, twice I think Wow was featured all the way back in Episode 4 (https://chartmusiccouk.wordpress.com/2017/05/12/chart-music-4-april-12th-1979-the-rabbity-angel-of-death-2/), where I think Simon mentioned about being terrified of her as a kid due to her ability to make her eyes very wide. Running Up That Hill was then featured in Episode 7 (https://chartmusiccouk.wordpress.com/2017/07/17/chart-music-7-august-22nd-1985-nobody-ever-said-oh-no-jaws-is-coming/).

Even if more of the Sixties episodes still existed they would most likely feature Jim'll, and they have steadfastly refused to go near any of his episodes yet.
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Post by: Egyptian Feast on August 12, 2020, 12:39:44 AM
Yes, twice I think Wow was featured all the way back in Episode 4 (https://chartmusiccouk.wordpress.com/2017/05/12/chart-music-4-april-12th-1979-the-rabbity-angel-of-death-2/), where I think Simon mentioned about being terrified of her as a kid due to her ability to make her eyes very wide. Running Up That Hill was then featured in Episode 7 (https://chartmusiccouk.wordpress.com/2017/07/17/chart-music-7-august-22nd-1985-nobody-ever-said-oh-no-jaws-is-coming/).

It was Neil who was scared of Kate Bush as a child and his older sister (who sounds cool) used to do the face to freak him out.
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Post by: hummingofevil on August 12, 2020, 03:00:28 AM
This worth a listen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoxEcD4PCco

I too like most of you didn't get this song but it's made me listen to A King At Night a dozen times tonight. x

This is the best version I found. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQzK1rbgOJo
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Post by: The Roofdog on August 12, 2020, 09:49:03 AM
Taylor im sure ripped "ask" by the smiths to shreds. I actually really like that single. He thought it was throaway pap

A highlight of the last episode was the incredulity in his voice with "They released Shakespeare's Sister as a single. What do you think you're doing? Do you think this is going to be number one? - No!"

(I like Ask too. Shakespeare's Sister is utter dogshit though.)
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Post by: Brundle-Fly on August 12, 2020, 10:32:56 AM
Yes, twice I think Wow was featured all the way back in Episode 4 (https://chartmusiccouk.wordpress.com/2017/05/12/chart-music-4-april-12th-1979-the-rabbity-angel-of-death-2/), where I think Simon mentioned about being terrified of her as a kid due to her ability to make her eyes very wide. Running Up That Hill was then featured in Episode 7 (https://chartmusiccouk.wordpress.com/2017/07/17/chart-music-7-august-22nd-1985-nobody-ever-said-oh-no-jaws-is-coming/).

Even if more of the Sixties episodes still existed they would most likely feature Jim'll, and they have steadfastly refused to go near any of his episodes yet.

Ah yes, that's right. Unless, I've forgotten their inclusion over all the episodes, I'm waiting for the coat downs/ celebrations of XTC, Bad Manners, Squeeze, Busta Rhymes, Lene Lovich, Ian Dury & The Blockheads, Thomas Dolby, The Divine Comedy, Landscape, Sugar Minnot, Telex, Morris & The Minors, Pikketywitch, White Town, Milli Vanilli, The Piranhas, Blue Rondo a la Turk, Tonight, Def Leppard, The Exploited, Kissing The Pink, Mirage, Divine, Colour Me Badd, Flash & The Pan, Crazy Frog, Big Fun, And Why Not? and Gimme Dat Ding by The Pipkins,
Title: Re: Chart Music Podcast 2 (Man Sound) - ITS PIPOU TIME!
Post by: dr beat on August 12, 2020, 12:17:10 PM
Thinking about years they haven't covered, I think they've pretty much done all the 70s, although not sure if they've covered 1972.

Also not covered yet as far as I'm aware: 1988, 1990, 1992, 1993, 1997 to 1999, and anything after 2000 (but would understand if they might not find any mileage in the 20th century TOTPs).

1988 might be a decent-ish year to look at, although that was my prime TOTP time so might be a little biased, but I recall plenty of decent dancey stuff even before that year's summer - Coldcut, Bomb the Bass etc.
Title: Re: Chart Music Podcast 2 (Man Sound) - ITS PIPOU TIME!
Post by: daf on August 12, 2020, 12:47:15 PM
Thinking about years they haven't covered, I think they've pretty much done all the 70s, although not sure if they've covered 1972.

There aren't that many to choose from -

22 June 1972 : Presenter: Ed Stewart
16 November 1972 : Presenter: Jimmy Savile   
28 December 1972 : Presenters: Noel Edmonds & Tony Blackburn

Unfortunately, all three are problematic - as Glitter features in the two non-Savile editions!



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Post by: dr beat on August 12, 2020, 01:06:58 PM
Oof yes, I can see why now!
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Post by: Nice Relaxing Poo on August 12, 2020, 03:19:11 PM
I think they should let bygones be bygones and give old Jimmy a chance.
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Post by: dr beat on August 12, 2020, 03:35:52 PM
They have had to deal with Glitter before, and I think they did a good job.  Ed Stewart though...
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Post by: Brundle-Fly on August 12, 2020, 03:44:37 PM
I think they can more than deal with Savile sensitively and forensically, although I think that might be the longest podcast ever, let alone CMP.
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Post by: Rizla on August 12, 2020, 03:56:17 PM
I'm sure they could, but I applaud them for choosing to steer clear of those episodes wholesale. It's one thing joking around DLT's workplace bullying and handsiness, quite another when it's one of the most evil sick abusive monsters this country has ever produced, a Giles De Rais wannabe nightmare who basically groomed a nation. Far far too traumatic a subject for a funny podcast. If they run out of episodes of TOTP there's always the Tube, or a Live Aid special, or Saturday Swapshop etc etc.
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Post by: Satchmo Distel on August 12, 2020, 03:59:20 PM
I don't think they've done a proper T Rex or Roxy Music analysis, partly because of the 1972 problem.

What's missing with The Smiths is Simon Price's perspective, although I appreciate the jokes Taylor throws in at Morrissey's expense.
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Post by: Camp Tramp on August 12, 2020, 04:17:34 PM
I don't believe that Wham have been covered yet. At least according to Al when I asked him on Twitter.
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Post by: DrGreggles on August 12, 2020, 04:53:38 PM
Erasure?
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Post by: dr beat on August 12, 2020, 05:00:19 PM
No she deleted herself![1]
 1. sorry
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Post by: justin_bennett on August 12, 2020, 05:02:22 PM
The Cure? Not yet I don't think.

Just finished the latest - up there with the best yet (I say that every time), but a particularly good Easter Egg at the end.

Long may it continue...
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Post by: badaids on August 12, 2020, 05:03:12 PM
They have to cover Savile at some point. 1. He was a key part it totp for most of its existence. 2. There is so much of interest to cover there And we know they would treat it with the incisiveness and intellect that it deserves.. 3. Why the fuck not - if nonces, pervs and cunts are out of bounds then they have already broken that rule on half a dozen or so presenters and performers.

And as for the Smiths - I also remember Stubbs claiming that he didn’t like them because there is no blackness in their music - which is a big dollop off wrong from him. And Taylor describing Mike Joyce as a groovless clod hopping oaf of a drummer which is unnecessarily harsh but also true.

And as for Bowie - there is Taylor’s typically acidic but honest put down of Ashes to Ashes; that it’s his best song but the video - man reacting to a paparazzi like he’s been shit and a Pierrot walking down a beach is Bad Art.

Erasure and The Cure were the two band that I’m hoping they’ll cover soon.

And I love Neil but please if he is reading this - please stop qualifying every statement  with ‘in a sense’, or ‘in a very real way,.
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Post by: Rizla on August 12, 2020, 05:24:25 PM
Why the fuck not - if nonces, pervs and cunts are out of bounds then they have already broken that rule on half a dozen or so presenters and performers.

The closest they've come to discussing an actual wrong 'un, (Glitter aside and I don't think they went into much detail did they?) was Tam Paton and J King, and they made the point that as much of a cunt as both men undoubtedly were, they drew much more fire due to their sexuality than say Jimmy Page or any other sexual exploiter of minors, esp given the difference in age of consent laws. But to reiterate, Savile wasn't *just* a nonce, he was a serial, systematic exploiter, a hugely sinister and violent figure, picking the most vulnerable victims imaginable, not to mention a fucking necrophile. There is no comparison between his crimes and the others. No-one else even comes close.
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Post by: dr beat on August 12, 2020, 05:27:58 PM
There's a relatively lengthy discussion about Glitter in one of the earliest episodes, where Simon talks about DJing his stuff.
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Post by: Rizla on August 12, 2020, 05:31:08 PM
There's a relatively lengthy discussion about Glitter in one of the earliest episodes, where Simon talks about DJing his stuff.
The other thing is, it's up for discussion whether or not we can distinguish the man from the artist, and Glitter made some undeniably excellent records. Johnathan King, not so much. But Jimmy Savile? Happily erase that cunt from history entirely, except as a cautionary tale. He contributed nothing of worth.
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Post by: badaids on August 12, 2020, 05:54:20 PM
The closest they've come to discussing an actual wrong 'un, (Glitter aside and I don't think they went into much detail did they?) was Tam Paton and J King, and they made the point that as much of a cunt as both men undoubtedly were, they drew much more fire due to their sexuality than say Jimmy Page or any other sexual exploiter of minors, esp given the difference in age of consent laws. But to reiterate, Savile wasn't *just* a nonce, he was a serial, systematic exploiter, a hugely sinister and violent figure, picking the most vulnerable victims imaginable, not to mention a fucking necrophile. There is no comparison between his crimes and the others. No-one else even comes close.

I quite agree.  But let's talk about the cunt.

There's a recent episode where Neil basically sails very close to accusing Cliff Richard of being another Savile, and in some detail.

But I'm fascinated by Savile as I grew up in Walton on Thames in the 1980s just a street away from the Walton Hop, and can remember my Dad warning me everytime that Savile or King appeared on TV never to play anywhere near there.  It was common knowledge that it was nonce central over there.
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Post by: Rizla on August 12, 2020, 06:15:54 PM
Yet another thing to bear in mind, which I'd guess is why they want to steer clear of discussing JS - all of the other nonces mentioned faced justice in their lifetimes, whilst he went to the grave having never answered to a single one of his terrible crimes. His many many victims were denied closure. Discussing him be seen as insensitive to said victims, as well as raking over ashes that have been raked enough. Consign the evil cunt to history's dustbin, I say.
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on August 12, 2020, 06:25:07 PM
Yet another thing to bear in mind, which I'd guess is why they want to steer clear of discussing JS - all of the other nonces mentioned faced justice in their lifetimes, whilst he went to the grave having never answered to a single one of his terrible crimes. His many many victims were denied closure. Discussing him be seen as insensitive to said victims, as well as raking over ashes that have been raked enough. Consign the evil cunt to history's dustbin, I say.

I agree with this. Imagine the juddering gear-shift required to go from a lengthy, sombre discussion about one of Britain's worst serial sex offenders to a funny segment on, I dunno, Chicory Tip. It wouldn't work, it'd be like those painful moments in That's Life! where Esther would end that week's deadly serious item by handing over to Doc Cox for a bit of light relief. But a million times more insensitive.
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Post by: Seedsy on August 12, 2020, 07:05:14 PM
Yeah, but the gang are intelligent, thoughtful and skillful wordsmiths. They wouldn't do it in a way which is insensitive. And Al is there to completely draw a line under such a subject like Saville and move on. I personally think Saville has to be discussed.

Sorry if this has already been asked, The most obvious wow factor totp moment that hasn't been done is bowie and star man. I take it that was a Saville episode?
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Post by: badaids on August 12, 2020, 07:27:04 PM
Yeah, but the gang are intelligent, thoughtful and skillful wordsmiths. They wouldn't do it in a way which is insensitive. And Al is there to completely draw a line under such a subject like Saville and move on. I personally think Saville has to be discussed.

Sorry if this has already been asked, The most obvious wow factor totp moment that hasn't been done is bowie and star man. I take it that was a Saville episode?

This is my standpoint totally.  Nostalgia is such a big part of the podcast, and Savile such a big part of TOTP that Savile can't be avoided. They have to discuss this at some point and they are totally equipped to do it in the right way, as for every other topic they will have much to say that has never been said before too. I don't see how it is insensitive to the victims to do that. 

As for how it is handled next to other lighthearted elements, it can be easily treated by Al; for instance saying that this is the episode in which they well do it (they've 50 episodes under the belt), they've always known that they will have to address it at some point and this will be it, after that never speak of it again. 

I do understand the argument that he should be ignored, but in any case Savile is already consigned to the dustbin of history - nothing they say or do can change that. 
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Post by: daf on August 12, 2020, 07:35:38 PM
Sorry if this has already been asked, The most obvious wow factor totp moment that hasn't been done is bowie and star man. I take it that was a Saville episode?

Sort of - It was shown twice in 1972 -

6 July 1972 : Presenter: Tony Blackburn
20 July 1972 : Presenter: Noel Edmonds (repeat performance)

Though both shows have been wiped, that performance survived - thanks to it's inclusion in the 27 December 1973 "10 Years of Pop" edition - which WAS presented by Jimmy Savile.
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Post by: grainger on August 12, 2020, 07:41:58 PM
A highlight of the last episode was the incredulity in his voice with "They released Shakespeare's Sister as a single. What do you think you're doing? Do you think this is going to be number one? - No!"

(I like Ask too. Shakespeare's Sister is utter dogshit though.)

I can't comment on the number-1-worthiness of the two songs, but Shakespeare's Sister is miles better than Ask.
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Post by: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on August 12, 2020, 10:47:59 PM
Listening to an episode of this for the first time (February 1985). Enjoying it despite the thermonuclear bad takes of slagging off The Smiths for 30 minutes shortly after glowing praise for The Colourfield (!?)
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Post by: DrGreggles on August 12, 2020, 11:00:52 PM
It's almost as if Morrissey is a massive cunt and Terry Hall isn't!
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Post by: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on August 12, 2020, 11:07:31 PM
It's almost as if Morrissey is a massive cunt and Terry Hall isn't!

Doesn't really change the respective merits of the music in question.

(And one of them just took a dig at Billy Bragg!)
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on August 12, 2020, 11:10:43 PM
And that Colourfield record is so much better than How Soon is Now?

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Post by: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on August 12, 2020, 11:18:12 PM
And that Colourfield record is so much better than How Soon is Now?

Hey I said I was still enjoying the show regardless, no need to double down on this truly ludicrous take.
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Post by: non capisco on August 12, 2020, 11:40:53 PM
Doesn't really change the respective merits of the music in question.

Taylor acknowledged that he thought How Soon Is Now is one of their best songs. Neil quite rightly went all in with fists and feet on their racist cunt of a frontman. I think Morrissey proving beyond all doubt that he's an out and out bigot has pretty much poisoned the well when it comes to evaluating The Smiths. I think How Soon Is Now is a sonic marvel, love that tremolo and weird mewling guitar line. Unfortunately it has that poxy twat having a moan all over the top of it.
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Post by: Seedsy on August 13, 2020, 12:01:17 AM
I love how Neil is just fucking straight down the hard-line, if you like morrissey you are a racist cunt. If you like oasis you are a union flag waving brexiter.
He has lived a life in the UK I could never imagine living.
It does take over his critical analysis of the actual music in hand.
Saying that, I do genuinely believe he hates indie white rock music on its musical merits.
I think I'm just a bit touchy as I like alot of that music and i
like to think I'm not a big racist apologist
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on August 13, 2020, 12:39:34 AM
Hey I said I was still enjoying the show regardless, no need to double down on this truly ludicrous take.

No offence intended, I hope you enjoy the podcast!
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Post by: Rizla on August 13, 2020, 12:44:47 AM
I love how Neil is just fucking straight down the hard-line, if you like morrissey you are a racist cunt. If you like oasis you are a union flag waving brexiter.

It does take over his critical analysis of the actual music in hand.

Morrissey's music is racist though, lyrically certainly. And the music of Oasis, I would argue, is backward looking, unimaginitive and exceptionalist.
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Post by: Seedsy on August 13, 2020, 01:04:33 AM
Morrissey's music is racist though, lyrically certainly. And the music of Oasis, I would argue, is backward looking, unimaginitive and exceptionalist.

Of course. And as I said maybe I'm being overly touchy.
I think all four of the smiths studio albums are class.

As for oasis, they are the first band I fell In love with when I was 13 in 1994. I still love their first 2 albums.
To me now, noel gallagher now is just a tory cunt. Hiding behind a very fading  (new) Labour Red flag
And recently Liam has showed a different side to his musical output. Voting green, and being in the early days of lockdown good craic.
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Post by: Dusty Substance on August 13, 2020, 01:31:09 AM

Just want to briefly echo the praise for the outstanding Chart Music podcast. I often argue that podcasts need to be shorter to get me to listen to them but these recent four hour episodes have been absolutely wonderful. Although I don't always agree with everything they have to say, their descriptions, zingers, observations and remarks are always beautifully put. Which makes it only more depressing that the Melody Maker has long ceased to be and none of them seem to have a steady music writing job any more.
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Post by: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on August 13, 2020, 02:07:30 AM
Liked the first episode I listened to. But in foolishly keeping with my normal podcast routine I'm currently in the emergency room after continuously running on the treadmill for five hours.

Morrissey's music is racist though, lyrically certainly.

That seems a bit of a stretch. He has a couple ill advised solo tracks that become much more problematic in light of political views that he only clearly started espousing decades later in the mid 2000s, but the Smiths?

I've always found the controversy about "Panic" to be fairly ridiculous.

(Though at the same time I assume he was privately a bit of a xenophobic bigot all along, which having passed through the grapevine is probably why Morrissey-being-racist became a thing as early as the late 80s/early 90s despite very tenuous evidence at the time. No smoke without fire et cetera)
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Post by: Brundle-Fly on August 13, 2020, 11:12:54 AM
I find it fascinating how precocious they were at twelve years old about pop music. "I preferred the early Smiths singles". Really?  At that age, I pretty much liked everything in the charts and had no opinion one way or the other. True, my music tastes were finding their feet then but I was more interested in Curlywurlies, Atari, Letraset transfers and Tania James from 2B in 1978. I was more discerning about stuff going on in my favourite comics, films and tv programmes than pop, I suppose? eg 1960s Tom & Jerry not being as good as 1950's Tom & Jerry and the efficiency of new Doctor Who assistants.
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Post by: shiftwork2 on August 13, 2020, 01:41:26 PM
I was looking forward to Neil's take on The Smiths.  It was a hard listen though.  He's around my age but he obviously didn't have my simple privilege of being white in the 1980s.  To hear that he liked the very early Smiths but then quickly realised he was excluded, or at the very least not actively included, was just painful.  Like a lot of people I'm having to now try and reconcile how much that band meant to me with the realisation that the singer had a hateful vision of Britain, of which Bengali In Platforms and Asian Rut were just the start.
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Post by: Brundle-Fly on August 13, 2020, 02:56:15 PM
I was looking forward to Neil's take on The Smiths.  It was a hard listen though.  He's around my age but he obviously didn't have my simple privilege of being white in the 1980s.  To hear that he liked the very early Smiths but then quickly realised he was excluded, or at the very least not actively included, was just painful.  Like a lot of people I'm having to now try and reconcile how much that band meant to me with the realisation that the singer had a hateful vision of Britain, of which Bengali In Platforms and Asian Rut were just the start.

Not forgetting The National Front Disco that he performed at Madstock 1992 draped in a Union Jack with a huge projection of two skinhead girls behind him. If only he draped himself in a black & white chequered 2Tone cape, how things might have been different. He was not bottled off stage though. Complete mythness. 
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Post by: shiftwork2 on August 13, 2020, 03:15:47 PM
The National Front Disco that he performed at Madstock 1992 draped in a Union Jack with a huge projection of two skinhead girls behind him.

Ha, that was when he sang 'London is dead' to a Finsbury Park-full of Madness fans.  Quack quack oops.

I saw him in 1992 at Alexandra Palace and those same backdrops were used.  Others included Charlie Richardson of the charming Richardson family.  What a nob.
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Post by: Rizla on August 13, 2020, 03:25:01 PM
I may just possibly be generalising somewhat here, but show me a fully grown adult who lists Madness, The Smiths or the The Jam as their favourite band(s) and I'll show you someone who's either a racist or an unimaginitive thicko.
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Post by: famethrowa on August 13, 2020, 03:30:00 PM
I was desperately trying to remember the word they had for flared trousers from the early episodes, luckily the latest 1975 episode set me straight. SAXONS! Actually I guess the correct use is "a massive pair of saxons".

https://twitter.com/simon_price01/status/1279025552968597504
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Post by: Neomod on August 13, 2020, 03:59:15 PM
I may just possibly be generalising somewhat here, but show me a fully grown adult who lists Madness, The Smiths or the The Jam as their favourite band(s) and I'll show you someone who's either a racist or an unimaginitive thicko.

Did you get beaten up by someone with a quiff wearing a parka who then proceeded to 'Nutty Walk' down the street?
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Post by: Brundle-Fly on August 13, 2020, 04:57:37 PM
I may just possibly be generalising somewhat here, but show me a fully grown adult who lists Madness, The Smiths or the The Jam as their favourite band(s) and I'll show you someone who's either a racist or an unimaginitive thicko.

I think you’re massively generalising. I’m an adult fan of two of the Southern bands In your trio and like to think of myself of neither being a racist or unimaginitive thicko, and I suspect several of the CMP team would similarly defend themselves.
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Post by: Rizla on August 13, 2020, 05:22:06 PM
I think you’re massively generalising. I’m an adult fan of two of the Southern bands In your trio and like to think of myself of neither being a racist or unimaginitive thicko, and I suspect several of the CMP team would similarly defend themselves.
Hmm. To back down...or to DOUBLE DOWN? Fuck it, THE SAME GOES FOR OASIS, FIGHT ME YOU BASTARDS
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Post by: Crabwalk on August 13, 2020, 06:13:39 PM
It does take over his critical analysis of the actual music in hand.
Saying that, I do genuinely believe he hates indie white rock music on its musical merits.

He loves or hates white indie music on merit. He hero-worships Throwing Muses, for example.
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Post by: Satchmo Distel on August 13, 2020, 06:17:10 PM
I love how Neil is just fucking straight down the hard-line, if you like morrissey you are a racist cunt. If you like oasis you are a union flag waving brexiter.
He has lived a life in the UK I could never imagine living.
It does take over his critical analysis of the actual music in hand.
Saying that, I do genuinely believe he hates indie white rock music on its musical merits.
I think I'm just a bit touchy as I like alot of that music and i
like to think I'm not a big racist apologist

But it leads him to make basic errors like not knowing that Johnny Marr was strongly influenced by Chic (one of his sons is called Nile).
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Post by: Brundle-Fly on August 13, 2020, 06:19:43 PM
He loves or hates white indie music on merit. He hero-worships Throwing Muses, for example.

And Neil even conceded once that he probably missed out some good stuff in indie rock during the mid nineties because he was such a bloody-minded angry hip-hop head. I remember Neil's writing back then and he regularly had steam coming out his ears in his pieces. I think this was when they were discussing Blur's Girls And Boys on the 94' ep.
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Post by: jamiefairlie on August 13, 2020, 06:44:24 PM
And Neil even conceded once that he probably missed out some good stuff in indie rock during the mid nineties because he was such a bloody-minded angry hip-hop head. I remember Neil's writing back then and he regularly had steam coming out his ears in his pieces. I think this was when they were discussing Blur's Girls And Boys on the 94' ep.

Quite. Having a blanket hatred of a genre just because a tiny minority of its artists have dodgy views is absurd. It would be easy to point to the crass misogyny of some rap artists but what’s the point in painting them all as a result? You’d have to also hate all classic rock artists due to widespread sexual predator behaviours of many.

I think The Jam stuff still stands up today (anyway as far as I know Weller’s been pretty sound in his views), The Smiths have fallen in my estimation based on their music and Oasis were always awful.
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Post by: Johnboy on August 13, 2020, 07:34:09 PM
another great episode, I remember this totp well

Neil and Taylor work really well together don't they, I know that's bloody obvious but I'm just realising it now plus they're just about a year younger than me so it's resonance all round.

I reckon if I do a relisten which I know will be fruitful, I'm going to do episodes with Taylor, he's just a goldmine.

Have to say Neil's anecdote about what someone said at the cinema in the 80s was compelling, that's the sort of stuff I keep listening for, these priceless slivers of social history.

Anyway not only am i grateful that Chart Music exists and is mint - it was Chart Music that led me to this forum where I feel very at home.

*(lines up a playlist of leader of the gang, rock with you and the headmaster ritual)*
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on August 13, 2020, 08:07:55 PM
He loves or hates white indie music on merit. He hero-worships Throwing Muses, for example.

Exactly. Neil doesn't hate white indie rock music on general principle, that's an absurdly reductive suggestion.

But it leads him to make basic errors like not knowing that Johnny Marr was strongly influenced by Chic (one of his sons is called Nile).

So? The CM gang aren't infallible, they get things wrong sometimes as we all do. I don't mean WRONG in terms of their opinions; even when I disagree with them, I enjoy hearing what they have to say. The occasional factual error is allowable, and there's often someone on hand to politely correct them.
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Post by: dr beat on August 13, 2020, 09:27:10 PM
And Neil even conceded once that he probably missed out some good stuff in indie rock during the mid nineties because he was such a bloody-minded angry hip-hop head. I remember Neil's writing back then and he regularly had steam coming out his ears in his pieces. I think this was when they were discussing Blur's Girls And Boys on the 94' ep.

Ah yes, memories of that Neds Atomic Dustbin review.
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Post by: McChesney Duntz on August 14, 2020, 07:12:23 PM
That seems a bit of a stretch. He has a couple ill advised solo tracks that become much more problematic in light of political views that he only clearly started espousing decades later in the mid 2000s, but the Smiths?

Certainly "A Rush and A Push and the Land Is Ours" is pretty barefacedly dodgy in retrospect:

A rush and a push and the land that
We stand on is ours
It has been before
So it shall be again
And people who are uglier than you and I
They take what they need, and just leave
...
A rush and a push and the land that
We stand on is ours
It has been before
So why can't it be now?
And people who are weaker than you and I
They take what they want from life
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Post by: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on August 14, 2020, 07:48:39 PM
Certainly "A Rush and A Push and the Land Is Ours" is pretty barefacedly dodgy in retrospect:

Much less dodgy if you actually read the lyrics in context.

I've always interpreted that song as another veiled jab at societal homophobia. The title/chorus that makes it even arguably dodgy is a modified quote from Oscar Wilde's mother.
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Post by: McChesney Duntz on August 14, 2020, 09:49:56 PM
Ah. Well, corrected I seem to stand, then. Still, not hard to read some of his future unsavoriness into it, for whatever that's worth.
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Post by: grainger on August 14, 2020, 11:23:10 PM
But it leads him to make basic errors like not knowing that Johnny Marr was strongly influenced by Chic (one of his sons is called Nile).

The Chart Music critics do sometimes (or maybe often) make errors in the "facts" that justify their passionate views. It's sometimes frustrating when they "coat down" something I like with "reasons" that are just factually wrong. I still greatly enjoy listening to them though. Chart Music is one of the best things ever. For me, it's about the articulation, not the rightness or wrongness of the opinions. But when I agree with them, then they are definitely right.

Arguably, we all just like or dislike stuff and then justify it with rationale. But that doesn't make the likes of Taylor any less compelling to listen to. Life would be much worse if there weren't people doing this.
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Post by: dr beat on August 14, 2020, 11:40:53 PM
I read the MM in the mid-90s and I found the CMP gang infuriating, incorrigible and entertaining in equal measure (also was a fan of the sadly short-lived Bang! magazine).  I'll thank them for framing how I thought about music then, and through the podcast, now.  I feel I owe them a lot.
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Post by: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on August 15, 2020, 12:18:20 AM
Ah. Well, corrected I seem to stand, then. Still, not hard to read some of his future unsavoriness into it, for whatever that's worth.

Just my interpretation of the song, not necessarily definitive. And it's a Jane Wilde quote about expelling the English from Ireland, so not really sure which way that would cut...

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Post by: Brundle-Fly on August 15, 2020, 12:19:43 AM
I read the MM in the mid-90s and I found the CMP gang infuriating, incorrigible and entertaining in equal measure

What leavens their forthright opinions today from the acid-tongued young scribes of a quarter of a century ago is that they are constantly coating down themselves. There seems more humility now. 
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Post by: dr beat on August 15, 2020, 12:34:41 AM
Yes, big part of what makes this podcast.
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Post by: dr beat on August 15, 2020, 02:50:46 AM
What I liked about the CMP gang was that at a time of major indie orthodoxy, they made it clear it was ok to like all kinds of pop music.  And at that point, that was a view very much ahead of its time, before the more wider critical acceptance of Liberty X, Girls Aloud, Taylor Swift etc

Apropos of nothing I bloody love this, following on from the last thread - Norway 1985.  Best Eurovision ever. I've already listened to this 10 times in one sitting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6h2-QFbtXtM
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Post by: Blinder Data on August 15, 2020, 11:43:25 AM
As someone who was born in 1990, has never read Melody Maker and barely watched TOTP, will I get much out of this of podcast? The reviews have been glowing but I worry I might be a generation or two beyond the target audience.

Also , just by the by, Ask" is a great song. "Spending warm sunny days indoors/Writing frightening verse to a buck-toothed girl in Luxembourg". The racist wanker was a genius lyricist, that can't be denied.
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Post by: Satchmo Distel on August 15, 2020, 01:21:51 PM
I feel that on "Strangeways" generally the lyrics are more ambiguous than on the earlier albums, as if two or three different songs have been spliced together, but he lyric above is in my mind an echo of his much earlier "England is mine and it owes me a living" and "life is taking and not giving" from Still Ill. It's about an outcast who defiantly claims ownership of a land from which he has actually been excluded due to his sexuality (ill = gay, as defined by society).
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Post by: rilk on August 15, 2020, 01:25:20 PM
As someone who was born in 1990, has never read Melody Maker and barely watched TOTP, will I get much out of this of podcast? The reviews have been glowing but I worry I might be a generation or two beyond the target audience.


I was also born in 1990, never read Melody Maker at the time (though have since been buying up 90s back issues on ebay) and...well always loved Top of the Pops but yes, you'll get a lot out of this if you're into yer pop music, social history, language, idiot joy... Chart Music's honestly one of the greatest pleasures in life for me at the moment.
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Post by: Brundle-Fly on August 15, 2020, 02:01:37 PM
I agree. If you have even a passing interest in the history of popular culture and British society it would do you no harm to have a listen. I used to enjoy Looks Familiar on ITV (namechecked in Al's TV listings in this most recent ep) when I was a teenager because I wanted to hear about the past. I didn't have a bastard clue what powdered egg was, or ITMA or Gracie Fields but I soon did. You'll learn shit and one will almost definitely be discovering music and more by the end of CMP.

"And now on Top Of The Pops, coming in at number two, it's Kid Creole & those lovely ladeez, The Coconuts with a sensational song called Annie, I'm Not Your Daddy which isn't about Annie Nightingale." *smirks to camera
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Post by: Egyptian Feast on August 15, 2020, 03:16:36 PM
The video playlists for each episode provide a lot of context for things younger viewers and Americans would be unfamiliar with, so there's no need to worry about it being before your time, Blinder. The farthest back I can remember is around 1984 (I was born a few months after the youngest contributor Sarah Bee in 1978), so a lot of the 70s/early 80s references were new to me too but I now know who, say, Ludwig and Little Blue are and I can hum the theme from Murphy's Mob.

I got up to CM#16 and am finally aware what "Hold on, here comes Jism" refers to, so I've jumped forward to #49 and will probably work forward to the new episode before going back to where I left off. It has come a long way from those early episodes; much better sound and editing for a start. I like the feature where Al reads through the contemporary issue of Melody Maker and lists the gigs each contributor could've attended. Good bit of extra scene setting.

At this stage, my ideal lineup is any combination of Parkes, Price and Kulkarni, but Taylor is the one who always makes me hiss "Yesss!" when his name is announced. I've really enjoyed every episode I've heard so far, but his appearances are on another level. I re-read that Quietus piece about Parklife for about the fourth or fifth time off the back of a 90s episode and it made me wish I had the financial power to commission a book about whatever the fuck he wanted to write about.
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Post by: Egyptian Feast on August 15, 2020, 05:02:00 PM
Just finished the Shakatak discussion in #49 that led to Al's story about fishing cock pictures out of the bin at the wank factory and leaving them under his flatmate's pillow. Hysterical.

It reminded me of a crap prank pulled on me the Sunday after Diana died. I was at work while a couple of mates who'd stayed over cut out dozens of pics of her from a commerative magazine they'd got with News Of The World (some of which they married with tit pics from an old issue of Loaded or Front) and hid them in various places around the flat. I found most when I got back and was made to do a treasure hunt, but some were so well hidden I didn't find them until I was moving out, and I probably didn't catch them all. Daft twats, but there was no telly in the flat so they had to make their own entertainment.
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Post by: dr beat on August 15, 2020, 07:33:45 PM
As someone who was born in 1990, has never read Melody Maker and barely watched TOTP, will I get much out of this of podcast? The reviews have been glowing but I worry I might be a generation or two beyond the target audience.


I've sometimes taken to listening to CMP while watching along with the relevant TOTP episode if available (most of them seem to be).
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Post by: badaids on August 15, 2020, 07:55:45 PM
it made me wish I had the financial power to commission a book about whatever the fuck he wanted to write about.

You know what I have had exactly the same thought.  Can we get together some kind of crowdfunder to fuel Taylor writing about whatever the fuck he wanted to?
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Post by: Johnboy on August 16, 2020, 07:54:30 AM
I'd welcome a transcript of everything he's said on CM so far.
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Post by: Brundle-Fly on August 16, 2020, 10:04:03 AM
The audiobook* I'd like to hear from Taylor would be an analysis of 20th-century terrestrial television during the 50s/60s/70s/80s before satellite dishes came along. There would be individual chapters on drama, comedy, news, science, music etc. It could be called Taylor Parkes' Aerial View. Would you read that?

To be honest, I read books by any of them. Stubbsy's tome is very good.



*I say audiobook because you have to have his dour tones for the full Parkes effect. Like the way, he emphasises any alternative with a pronounced 'OR'
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Post by: Johnboy on August 16, 2020, 12:24:09 PM
Dunnon, it might be a bit specialist.

I'm coming back round to Stubbs having gone off him for a while, his last one really is well written and I'm thinking of getting Pricey's Manic Street Preachers one through my library even though I'm not much of a fan of them.
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Post by: non capisco on August 17, 2020, 12:01:31 AM
Ah yes, that's right. Unless, I've forgotten their inclusion over all the episodes, I'm waiting for the coat downs/ celebrations of XTC, Bad Manners, Squeeze, Busta Rhymes, Lene Lovich, Ian Dury & The Blockheads, Thomas Dolby, The Divine Comedy, Landscape, Sugar Minnot, Telex, Morris & The Minors, Pikketywitch, White Town, Milli Vanilli, The Piranhas, Blue Rondo a la Turk, Tonight, Def Leppard, The Exploited, Kissing The Pink, Mirage, Divine, Colour Me Badd, Flash & The Pan, Crazy Frog, Big Fun, And Why Not? and Gimme Dat Ding by The Pipkins,

Big Fun have definitely been covered because Al dug up an interview where they said they got off their tits with Sinitta during a TOTP recording and called Jimmy Somerville 'Mr. Potato Head'. The episode that must have taken place during aired on BBC4 fairly recently.

The eighventies songs I most want them to cover are my two main discoveries from the BBC4 repeats, 'Twilight Cafe' by Susan Fassbender and 'Heartache Avenue' by The Maisonettes. The latter has already been proclaimed a 'tune!' by Pricey during one episode. Would also love to hear Taylor describing the lead singer of Coast To Coast, please.
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Post by: dr beat on August 17, 2020, 12:28:39 AM
Yes! I bloody love those tunes.  Yer man from the Maisonettes had a bit of a 'Peter Withe' vibe about him.
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Post by: non capisco on August 17, 2020, 12:38:19 AM
Yes! I bloody love those tunes.  Yer man from the Maisonettes had a bit of a 'Peter Withe' vibe about him.

Ha ha, absolutely! As John Peel said after one appearance "They look like a bunch of bailiffs".
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Post by: Neomod on August 17, 2020, 12:38:37 AM
Have they covered Strawberry Switchblade yet? A near miss this episode when Since Yesterday was mentioned on the chart rundown.
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Post by: dr beat on August 17, 2020, 12:56:29 AM
Ha ha, absolutely! As John Peel said after one appearance "They look like a bunch of bailiffs".

As our alumnus lfbarfe might say (hi mate), Lol Mason, at that point in time, is a bit rather David Peace-esque.
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Post by: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on August 17, 2020, 02:54:33 AM
As someone who was born in 1990, has never read Melody Maker and barely watched TOTP, will I get much out of this of podcast? The reviews have been glowing but I worry I might be a generation or two beyond the target audience.

As a new listener in a similar position to you, I would say yes. In fact I'm enjoying the show much more the further back in time they go and the further away from pop music I am familiar with.
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Post by: buzby on August 17, 2020, 11:57:09 AM
Big Fun have definitely been covered because Al dug up an interview where they said they got off their tits with Sinitta during a TOTP recording and called Jimmy Somerville 'Mr. Potato Head'. The episode that must have taken place during aired on BBC4 fairly recently.
None of the three ever appeared on the same episode of TOTP. They did however all appear on the Christmas 1989 episode (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11863392/) of Eggs 'n' Baker.

It was from a (rather candid) interview with Phil Creswick from Hate Magazine (https://mrsleaze.tumblr.com/post/95360186639/big-fun-did-bongs-with-sinitta) (shortly before he got done for being in posession of a large amount of chemsex drugs in his Vauxhall flat that was set up to stream gay sex shows).

It was two separate events. They did bongs with Sinitta while on the Hitman & Her tour with her, and the Somervillle incident was while recording a TV spot in Europe after he chided them for not coming out (and after being up all night after taking acid with the post-Betty Boo She Rockers).
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Post by: edon on August 18, 2020, 02:07:05 AM
I have some kinship with Seedsy here, as I've just joined only to wax lyrical about CM. Tried to get my friends into it and they're not as bothered, so this is my only vessel for going on about this glorious podcast

As someone who was born in 1990, has never read Melody Maker and barely watched TOTP, will I get much out of this of podcast?

I would hope so. I too haven't read MM and only ever got to see TOTP at its very end until the BBC4 repeats started (god help them if they do end up covering one of the Andi Peters shows), but it's been absolutely essential for me in the past few months. Your own knowledge of music and culture doesn't matter, the podcast is a delight to listen to, and I applaud Al and co for managing to create something so entertainingly examinative and celebratory of old pop culture/music. Will be gutted when they stop doing this.
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Post by: edon on August 18, 2020, 02:41:44 AM
In fact I'm enjoying the show much more the further back in time they go and the further away from pop music I am familiar with.

I think the most mileage can be had out of the Eighventies episodes, with it being an odd transitional period for the show and the charts generally having quite good stuff in them, although a TOTP from the early 70s is bound to be even more compelling as well. #43, where they covered one of the only existing shows from the 60s, was excellent.

The later they go, the less consistently interesting some of the talk is (though that's not to say it's bad either), and Al probably should be careful about which shows he chooses from the 90s and such. That 1991 episode they did suffered a little from having no properly big acts or notable performances to speak of, but I do suppose it also depends on what few later period TOTPs are available.
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Post by: Brundle-Fly on August 18, 2020, 10:41:10 AM
Tried to get my friends into it and they're not as bothered, .

One podcast loving mate switched it off in disgust because they got a fact wrong and made a tiny criticism of his favourite band in an otherwise glowing appraisal of the song. The other friend commented it was good but the episodes are too long. I said that you're not required to listen to it all in one sitting.
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Post by: dr beat on August 18, 2020, 10:56:30 AM
I have some kinship with Seedsy here, as I've just joined only to wax lyrical about CM. Tried to get my friends into it and they're not as bothered, so this is my only vessel for going on about this glorious podcast


Welcome! Hopefully plenty to enjoy elsewhere on CaB in addition to this thread.
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Post by: Nice Relaxing Poo on August 21, 2020, 12:40:59 PM
I said that you're not required to listen to it all in one sitting.

I enjoy it in little 30 minute chunks and because of this have only just made past the utterly deserved shellacking they dish out to Jonathan King. I has to be one of the most vicious coat downs dished out  so far on CM. I too can remember hating the sight of his wonky smug face all through the 80s.
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Post by: Egyptian Feast on August 21, 2020, 03:11:43 PM
I'm working my way through the post-COVID episodes so I can enjoy the thrill of catching a new one (hopefully with my name in the intro) on release. CM#50 was my favourite episode so far: while I don't hate Oasis quite as much as Neil (or my partner), that was a riveting coat-down, as were the pastings doled out to Jo Whiley, Madonna and Shed Seven. I always felt a bit sorry for Rick Witter for the things the press said about him, but that didn't stop it being very funny. It appears it didn't do any damage to their career either, so Witter is having the last laugh and stinking of piss.

I've only just got through the preamble for #51, but already it's given me Al's incredible story about spending a year convinced he was going to die and Taylor's well-deserved coat-down of COVID-19 ("spiteful armoured bollock" indeed), so I may have a new favourite episode by the time it's done. That money down the g-string has really paid off, I almost didn't recognise Taylor's voice with a decent mic.

The length of these was always an intimidating factor in jumping in, but the time just flies by. I wish I'd got stuck in earlier, but I've got #17 - #48 to keep me sane over the next few months, so better late than never.
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Post by: Dusty Substance on August 22, 2020, 03:25:37 PM

Have they covered any bands like Deacon Blue or Del Amitri, yet? You know - Those kind of bands who never quite put out an essential LP but had enough singles scattered over the 80s to warrant buying the Greatest Hits when it came out on CD. See also Sheryl Crow in the 90s.

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Post by: edon on August 24, 2020, 07:37:15 PM
I'm convinced this podcast has the best fans possible

https://twitter.com/PegsPrints/status/1297839828000804864 (https://twitter.com/PegsPrints/status/1297839828000804864)

On a similar note, I hope they do cover PE sooner than later. Surely they did one or two TOTP performances?
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Post by: Better Midlands on August 24, 2020, 07:46:01 PM
On a similar note, I hope they do cover PE sooner than later. Surely they did one or two TOTP performances?

Shut 'Em Down 1992 (https://youtu.be/5tsEsZ6sTpc)
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on August 24, 2020, 09:15:30 PM
I'm convinced this podcast has the best fans possible

https://twitter.com/PegsPrints/status/1297839828000804864 (https://twitter.com/PegsPrints/status/1297839828000804864)

On a similar note, I hope they do cover PE sooner than later. Surely they did one or two TOTP performances?

That's great. And I eagerly agree with one of the replies to that tweet, I'd love to see a cover for Taylor Parkes' 20 Romantic Moments.
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Post by: RickyHamster on August 25, 2020, 01:48:55 PM
Like finding out daddy wasn't away working on the rigs after all.

(https://i.imgur.com/xrV2YqU.png)
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Post by: beanheadmcginty on August 26, 2020, 11:08:38 PM
I was so surprised by that I just Googled Taylor and Laverne and one of the first results is this very website because it turns out he used to post here. He even threatened to dish the dirt on Moran at one point. Here's all his posts:

https://www.cookdandbombd.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=11311
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on August 29, 2020, 04:00:12 PM
I was so surprised by that I just Googled Taylor and Laverne and one of the first results is this very website because it turns out he used to post here. He even threatened to dish the dirt on Moran at one point. Here's all his posts:

https://www.cookdandbombd.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=11311

Blimey. It would be nice if Taylor had stuck around, his hauntology posts were quality CaB contributions, but, err, yeah. Parroting nasty gossip wasn't the best way to draw him out of the lurking shed.
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Post by: Rizla on August 29, 2020, 07:11:56 PM
Yes, it was interesting (re)reading that hauntology thread - I've been thinking about the subject a fair bit recently, my generation's formative cultural experiences being repackaged in recent years as hacky comedy fodder. That thing of "haha what was going on in the 70s? lol why did people need films to tell them not to put rugs on polished floors and swim in disused quarries lmfao" I think it's a good way to introduce some people to the concept of what neoliberalism and the end of the postwar concensus means in practice in the UK, ie there was probably an uptick in head injuries due to it being fashionable to have polished tile floors in your hall, an increase in traffic accidents due to the introduction of box junctions, etc, so the government swung into action with a PIF to help keep everyone safe, because that was their job. Cut to the 80s and all you got was "plz don't get AIDS cos we can't afford to lose half our workforce". Cut to now and it's just facebook ads saying BACK TO WORK BUY PRET SARNIES U SCUM and WE ARE SENDING THEM ALL BACK DON'T WORRY! Good times.
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Post by: Brundle-Fly on August 30, 2020, 01:56:34 AM
Yes, it was interesting (re)reading that hauntology thread - I've been thinking about the subject a fair bit recently, my generation's formative cultural experiences being repackaged in recent years as hacky comedy fodder. That thing of "haha what was going on in the 70s? lol why did people need films to tell them not to put rugs on polished floors and swim in disused quarries lmfao" I think it's a good way to introduce some people to the concept of what neoliberalism and the end of the postwar concensus means in practice in the UK, ie there was probably an uptick in head injuries due to it being fashionable to have polished tile floors in your hall, an increase in traffic accidents due to the introduction of box junctions, etc, so the government swung into action with a PIF to help keep everyone safe, because that was their job. Cut to the 80s and all you got was "plz don't get AIDS cos we can't afford to lose half our workforce". Cut to now and it's just facebook ads saying BACK TO WORK BUY PRET SARNIES U SCUM and WE ARE SENDING THEM ALL BACK DON'T WORRY! Good times.

Thirty years ago, my father used to get pissed off with The Staggering Stories of Ferdinand de Bargos because he found it patronising to his past. I wonder if he still feels the same about Rhys Thomas and Harry Hill's similar old footage piss-taking clip show fayre?
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Post by: Brundle-Fly on August 30, 2020, 02:06:00 AM
Blimey. It would be nice if Taylor had stuck around, his hauntology posts were quality CaB contributions, but, err, yeah. Parroting nasty gossip wasn't the best way to draw him out of the lurking shed.

Pricey also used to post here but jumped ship because of the usual boring antagonism.

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Post by: Rizla on August 30, 2020, 03:32:20 AM
Thirty years ago, my father used to get pissed off with The Staggering Stories of Ferdinand de Bargos because he found it patronising to his past. I wonder if he still feels the same about Rhys Thomas and Harry Hill's similar old footage piss-taking clip show fayre?
I'd forgotten that show ever existed. I think at the time I found it occasionally funny but watching a bit there, it's humour on a par with those "1950s housewife swearing and drinking gin" greeting cards they have now. Old footage has a power to it, and to use it to make shit half arsed jokes seems a bit sad and wrong, when it can be respectfully used to devastating effect like this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omEX35pbelI).
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Post by: jamiefairlie on August 30, 2020, 05:58:31 AM
Blimey. It would be nice if Taylor had stuck around, his hauntology posts were quality CaB contributions, but, err, yeah. Parroting nasty gossip wasn't the best way to draw him out of the lurking shed.

Indeed. I actually quoted his post about how our generation were sold one life and got another to many people in conversations. the thing was though that it was just some anonymous CAB poster to me, I wasn't aware of him until I started to listen to the CMPs (I was an NME boy).
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Post by: Satchmo Distel on August 31, 2020, 12:17:18 AM
Like finding out daddy wasn't away working on the rigs after all.

(https://i.imgur.com/xrV2YqU.png)

It's almost like a "before and after" frame. Laverne is the most appealing in those pictures and, although looks can be deceiving, probably has the sounder character and politics, AFAIK. I think Taylor is sufficiently self-aware to know what he lost and shoulder some of the blame, just as any single bloke in his late 40s must be honest with himself if he wants to move on.
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Post by: Camp Tramp on August 31, 2020, 09:16:42 AM
It's almost like a "before and after" frame. Laverne is the most appealing in those pictures and, although looks can be deceiving, probably has the sounder character and politics, AFAIK. I think Taylor is sufficiently self-aware to know what he lost and shoulder some of the blame, just as any single bloke in his late 40s must be honest with himself if he wants to move on.

... and it was almost 25 years ago. I think Taylor only mentioned it because the topic was brought up.
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Post by: Nice Relaxing Poo on September 09, 2020, 08:17:47 AM
Laverne has Moran as a guest on her show this morning. Wonder if Taylor's ears will be burning when they chat off mic?
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Post by: daf on September 09, 2020, 11:28:21 AM
Laverne has Moran

A potential H bomb!
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Post by: Satchmo Distel on September 09, 2020, 12:43:20 PM
She ain't no human bean.
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Post by: famethrowa on September 09, 2020, 01:04:46 PM
She ain't no human bean.

(https://i.imgur.com/VypMzx0.jpg)
             \
           well, that is true, I suppose
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Post by: Satchmo Distel on September 09, 2020, 09:40:19 PM
I might as well be a Leonard Cohen record.
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Post by: phantom_power on September 10, 2020, 08:10:08 AM
Has anyone heard the Back to NOW podcast? It is similar to CM but with the NOW albums
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Post by: justin_bennett on September 12, 2020, 07:41:54 PM
Update from Al:

AAAAAAAAYUUUUP, etc,

You may have noticed that the next episode is long overdue, and that's my fault, alas. A combination of someone in the family being badly (not Coronavirus), being stuck in a house without a computer for a few weeks, and then being badly myself (not Coronavirus) has pissed all over the schedule, and the ship is being righted. So;

* We're aiming to record at some point next week and get it out ASAP (it's from a year we haven't done yet)

* Then we're aiming to pile straight into the next one as soon as we can

* If we can't, I'll get me arse in gear on the long-overdue Q&A, or do a Here Comes Quizm.

Massively soz for keeping you waiting, as I hate to let down the Pop-Crazed Youngsters down, especially as they've had our back throughout this unwiped arse of a year. Sit tight, normal service will be resumed...

Al
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Post by: edon on September 13, 2020, 01:43:40 AM
I do hope Al and co are staying as well as they can, absolutely understandable if they have a break.

Years they haven't done yet, off the top of my head (at least those with viable episodes):

1972
1988
1990
1992
1993
1997
1998
1999

and 2001-06. 1988 is one they should get round to covering soon, but seeing as they just did a show from the other half of the 80s I'm not sure it'll be that. Early or late 90s, perhaps?
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Post by: Egyptian Feast on September 13, 2020, 12:56:21 PM
I'm still catching up with older episodes, but I've been really looking forward to catching a new one as it drops for the first time. It was weird going back to the earlier ones after hearing their post-COVID episodes (#52 being my favourite episode so far). The preambles fly past in a matter of minutes and their mics really are shit.

I've recently experienced the joys of Two Man Sound for the first time, heard Simon's 'Careless Whisper' story and have just done my homework for 'Soul Rail Replacement Service', so I still have plenty to catch up with. It's been provoking some fascinating before-my-time memories from my other half, who is Al & Simon's age and experienced some stuff similarly and some very differently. It really is an education.
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Post by: shiftwork2 on September 13, 2020, 01:39:34 PM
Please let it be ‘72.  Although didn’t we collectively (by that I probably mean daf) work out that there were virtually no jingle-jangle-free episodes surviving?
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Post by: dr beat on September 13, 2020, 01:48:29 PM
Yes there was mention of 1972 a while back. If memory serves there are only 3 surviving episodes - one helmed by jingle-jangle, another featuring Jonathan King, and the other presented by Ed Stewart.
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Post by: daf on September 13, 2020, 02:07:49 PM
Pretty much, though it's Gary Glitter that features in the two non-Savile editions. #bargepole
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Post by: Nice Relaxing Poo on September 13, 2020, 05:07:24 PM
Little did the oiks tasked with wiping all the tapes back then realise that they would be creating a huge moral dilemma for a Dave Lee Travis hating podcast many decades later.
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Post by: edon on September 13, 2020, 06:13:11 PM
Don't think it'll be 1972 either, unfortunately. Having taken a closer look at the state of the archival status of that year, unless they take the plunge and go for a Savile ep, the only viable edition from that year is the 28/12 Christmas special with Gary Glitter on it, which they presumably would only cover in December. Hopefully they will do that one at some point though.

And Ed Stewart's existing show would've also had a GG performance, but the bigger issue at hand with that one is the fact that his performance + the charts/crowd dancing sequence backed by The Sweet's 'Little Willy' seem to be missing from the BBC's copy- it starts midway through an Elvis video instead. God knows what problems the wipers had with that year in particular, both 71 and 73 have more episodes still in existence.

I'm thinking Al might've had a 1990 episode lined up for the second half of the year, as it would've made for some nice synchronization with the BBC4 repeats, but scheduling issues have of course thrown that up in the air (on both ends, by the looks of things).
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Post by: non capisco on September 13, 2020, 11:26:14 PM
Just do one of the two Joy Sarney episodes, Al, you know you want to.
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Post by: shiftwork2 on September 14, 2020, 12:14:37 AM
The Christmas '72 episode is out I would say as they've traditionally been retained for Christmas podcasts.  I am hoping this lands this year as it appears to be chart music gold.  Glitter was expunged from the Xmas '73 episode so no problems removing artists (or Steve Priest's blurred out swastika); a bit more problematic if it's the host.
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Post by: Jockice on September 14, 2020, 07:58:14 AM
Just do one of the two Joy Sarney episodes, Al, you know you want to.

Obligatory mention of meeting Joy Sarney's son.
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Post by: edon on September 14, 2020, 07:55:03 PM
Joy Sarney is unavoidable, I really do hope they get round to that song before packing in. That, and the Shakin' Stevens Hi-NRG Gary Glitter cover.
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Post by: Oz Oz Alice on September 15, 2020, 07:54:09 AM
Yes! Shakey, looking as coked up as Pacino at the end of Scarface, doing his infamous Stevens jump before cavorting with go go dancers needs to be described by Al and Taylor. Heterosexual rock'n'roll indeed.
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Post by: edon on September 16, 2020, 12:40:25 PM
There's so much going on there, it's as if it was made for them. Shaky's own hot dance moves, the "basted torsos" of his backing group (to borrow Sarah Bee's words), the fact he's singing a song written by Gary Glitter with lyrics such as "I'm turning out the light and locking up that door / You might put up a fight". Doubtless one of the few astonishing things to actually get into the charts in 1987.
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Post by: Egyptian Feast on September 17, 2020, 02:20:33 PM
They've started listing Patreon supporters on the ones I'm up to now and I can't help but wonder how many are CaBbers. When Al listed Golden E Pump and Bobby Treetops in #23 and #24 respectively, I admit I did a little cheer like a twat.
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Post by: Bobby Treetops on September 17, 2020, 07:44:19 PM
They've started listing Patreon supporters on the ones I'm up to now and I can't help but wonder how many are CaBbers. When Al listed Golden E Pump and Bobby Treetops in #23 and #24 respectively, I admit I did a little cheer like a twat.


It did make my day when I got a mention from Al and I excitedly told Ms Treetops of my new found fame, but she was unimpressed. I've tried to get her into the podcast, but she says she can't be arsed to listen to middle aged men swearing and moaning for four hours  (and she gets enough of that at home...boom, boom). Still she's always up for watching a random episode of Top Of The Pops (thanks to Daf for the link) so she's a keeper.
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Post by: justin_bennett on October 02, 2020, 08:10:45 PM
Wonder what Twitter-hashtag-game-loving dick Quantick said to our Simon Price that he’s publicly apologising for: https://twitter.com/quantick/status/1312071611093266434?s=21
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on October 02, 2020, 08:53:13 PM
Are Simon seems like a lovely bloke, so God only knows.
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Post by: DrGreggles on October 03, 2020, 07:38:49 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/ZJCEXfp.jpg)
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Post by: dr beat on October 03, 2020, 08:12:24 AM
Wonder what Twitter-hashtag-game-loving dick Quantick said to our Simon Price that he’s publicly apologising for: https://twitter.com/quantick/status/1312071611093266434?s=21

I thought they were good mates? Simon said he DJed at Quantick's wedding and enjoyed the NME-MM ribbing by the latter.
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Post by: dr beat on October 03, 2020, 08:13:11 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/ZJCEXfp.jpg)

Yes! You beauties!
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Post by: edon on October 03, 2020, 04:15:07 PM
By previous process of elimination we know it's probably a post-1989 edition, so god knows how they've managed to weed nearly 6 hours of discussion out of it. Unless, perhaps, there's a particularly big act in the lineup - maybe they've got Pricey on a Manics performance, or possibly Prince, as he did one or two studio appearances for TOTP in the 90s.

Only other explanation is if they've took the plunge and decided to tackle Savile, of course.
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Post by: DrGreggles on October 03, 2020, 06:05:46 PM
The debate could easily have veered on to something off-topic.
They did once talk about flares for 20 minutes.
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Post by: non capisco on October 03, 2020, 06:09:24 PM
Only other explanation is if they've took the plunge and decided to tackle Savile Joy Sarney, of course.
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Post by: JohnnyYen on October 05, 2020, 10:36:22 AM
Facebook detective work - Al just liked a comment I made several months ago concerning Britpop, specifically The Lightning Seeds; could be a clue as to the episode?
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Post by: edon on October 05, 2020, 06:17:11 PM
These are the options for a TOTP both featuring Lightning Seeds and from a year they haven't covered yet, thanks to the TOTP Popscene forum's episode guide:

17-1-97:   Presenter:  Rhona Cameron

(12) THE LIGHTNING SEEDS – Sugar Coated Iceberg
(3) EAST 17 – Hey Child
(4) LISA STANSFIELD versus DIRTY ROTTEN SCOUNDRELS – People Hold On (video)  (and charts)
(10) NO MERCY – Where Do You Go
(7) TEXAS – Say What You Want
(5) MADONNA – Don’t Cry For Me Argentina  (video)
(2) BACKSTREET BOYS – Quit Playing Games (With My Heart)
(NEW) PLACEBO – Nancy Boy
(1) TORI AMOS – Professional Widow (It’s Got To Be Big)  (video)
(TOTP2) ALVIN STARDUST – My Coo-Ca-Choo  (clip of TOTP 15-11-73)  (and credits)


25-4-97:   Presenter:  Dannii Minogue

(2) ROBBIE WILLIAMS – Old Before I Die
(32) DAVID BOWIE – Dead Man Walking
(7) SHOLA AMA – You Might Need Somebody
(17) TEXAS – Halo  (and charts)
(6) BLACKSTREET – Don’t Leave Me
(8) THE LIGHTNING SEEDS – You Showed Me
(14) MICHELLE GAYLE – Sensational
(1) R. KELLY – I Believe I Can Fly  (video)  (and credits)


19-6-98:   Presenter:  Jayne Middlemiss

(3) FIVE – Got The Feeling
(22) PULP – A Little Soul
(8) DES’REE – Life
(20) SILVER SUN – Too Much, Too Little, Too Late
(21) IAN BROWN – Can’t See Me
(5) DARIO G – Carnaval De Paris
(2) FAT LES – Vindaloo
(1) BADDIEL, SKINNER & THE LIGHTNING SEEDS – Three Lions ’98  (and credits)


25-6-98:   Presenter:  Jamie Theakston

(2) FAT LES – Vindaloo
(24) TINA ARENA – Whistle Down The Wind
(23) IMAJIN – Shorty
(11) DANA INTERNATIONAL – Diva
(9) KAREN RAMIREZ – Looking For Love
(6) LIGHTHOUSE FAMILY – Lost In Space
(4) B*WITCHED – C’est La Vie
(26) LIONEL RICHIE – Closest Thing To Heaven
(1) BADDIEL, SKINNER & THE LIGHTNING SEEDS – Three Lions ’98  (and credits)


3-7-98:   Presenter:  Kate Thornton

(6) EAGLE-EYE CHERRY – Save Tonight
(23) HANSON – Thinking Of You
(21) SPACE – Begin Again
(10) 911 – How Do You Want Me To Love You?
(16) ULTRA – Say It Once
(18) AARON CARTER – Surfin’ U.S.A.
(5) BEASTIE BOYS – Intergalactic  (video)
(1) BADDIEL, SKINNER & THE LIGHTNING SEEDS – Three Lions ’98 (and credits)


Out of that dodgy lot, I hope it's the one with Pulp and Ian Brown - I assume there'll be some good appreciation from the MM contributors of the former, and a severe ravaging of the latter after recent tweets will be so sweet. Especially if it's by Neil.
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Post by: Egyptian Feast on October 05, 2020, 06:43:17 PM
If he's only just liked JohnnyYen's post, perhaps he's researching a future episode since #53 is already being edited.

I'm still only up to #31, but it's been a hell of a journey so far. It's had me in tears of laughter on frequent occasions (most recently throughout Al's version of 'Darling Nikki' at the end of #30), which nothing else has managed to do in recent months. It's still getting me into loads of great stuff too. After a late summer binging on Sweet, I'm now addicted to Giorgio Mordoer's utterly wonderful From Here To Eternity album (which has additionally got me back into the similarly wonderful No. 1 In Heaven) and 'C.F. Kane' by Delicatessen (their debut Skin Touching Water is an overlooked gem, well worth a couple of quid on eBay).

I still enjoy hearing Al reading out the Patreons and recognising the odd name; Ballad of Ballard Berkeley popped up in a recent episode and I said "Hello" out loud like a twat.
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Post by: Seedsy on October 06, 2020, 12:27:54 AM
Please let it be the beastie boys episode. I had outgrown totp by summer 98, but I remember this episode. Aaron Carter er al
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Post by: boki on October 06, 2020, 09:43:00 AM
I doubt it will be that one if it's nearly six hours long, as there's only two or three songs on there they could really get their teeth into.  It's mostly lesser hits by lesser acts.
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Post by: Crabwalk on October 06, 2020, 09:49:13 AM
I could see the 19/6/98 one running to 6 hours. Plenty to get into there.
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Post by: Satchmo Distel on October 06, 2020, 10:39:16 AM
Was 8 tracks per episode the standard throughout the 90s? In the 1985 one they could get through far more with all the Jonathan King ones, etc.
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Post by: boki on October 06, 2020, 01:15:43 PM
I could see the 19/6/98 one running to 6 hours. Plenty to get into there.

Yeah, that's got a bit of everything, including toast.
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Post by: Satchmo Distel on October 06, 2020, 03:39:40 PM
I would think that half of any 1997-98 episode is going to be talking about the general culture rather than the acts. The real action, such as Roni Size's great album, is well away from the charts by this time. How was New Labour's honeymoon period reflected in culture? It would make sense for Neil and Sarah to be the guests.

I'm holding on to hope that it is 1972 but I think if they were ever going to do Savile, they'd have already got it out of the way by now. They've managed four years dodging him.
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Post by: jamiefairlie on October 06, 2020, 04:54:28 PM
They should tackle Savile and get it out of the way. We’re adults and can handle the separation of the show from the person presenting it.
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Post by: daf on October 06, 2020, 05:05:56 PM
It'd be easy to pretend to have always hated him, but to be honest, he was my favourite presenter during the 1976 & 1977 BBC4 shows (before it all came out) - always good value for money with his daft costumes and barmy "Percy" links.

And you can probably guess who my second favourite presenter was!

Ah, well . . .
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Post by: edon on October 06, 2020, 05:43:07 PM
If he is ever going to be covered, it'll probably either be the Christmas 1967 edition (the oldest TOTP show in full existence), or the 1984 special where he's out of the studio and on a Intercity train, which I think Taylor said was his favourite episode of all time at one point.

You can make a case for both, but the latter one is worth it for the amount of utterly incredible stuff that goes on - Pigwanker General's hapless attempt at interviewing a signalman, Bucks Fizz having their performance interrupted by the train arriving at Bristol, Morrissey ripping open his shirt for the nation, only for Mike Smith to then take the piss out of it and have Richard Skinner kiss his nipple while doing so. Chart Music Gold right there.
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Post by: Crabwalk on October 06, 2020, 06:14:23 PM
It’s up for Patreons...
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Post by: The Roofdog on October 06, 2020, 06:17:46 PM
Oooo, is this the first episode to pair   Sarah and    Simon  ?
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Post by: edon on October 06, 2020, 06:26:58 PM
They've definitely done a couple of 90s episodes together previously, however I think this might be their first not from that decade.

Not listened yet but it's May 1988.
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Post by: edon on October 06, 2020, 07:03:46 PM
Jesus this particular TOTP episode is ghastly. I can see why they've managed to get such a long podcast out of it as Loadsamoney is discussed, Pricey finally gets a good Prince song to talk about, and a decent amount of music is crammed in during the 30 minute runtime of the show, but it is pretty desolate.

"Pump Up The Bitter" by Star Turn On 45 Pints, ffs.

Doesn't make a very good case for that year being an improvement on the preceding one, although I do remember there were better shows around the same time as it during the repeats.
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Post by: Satchmo Distel on October 06, 2020, 08:02:11 PM
How did this TOTP episode manage to squeeze 12 tracks into 29 minutes (according to the web)?

I was studying for exams at university at this time, with no TV in the student housing, so have no memory of many of these songs even though I was only 21.
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Post by: edon on October 06, 2020, 08:22:37 PM
I'm looking at clips of it right now and they cut all of the videos very short - the four Breaker clips all barely get 20 seconds each, Alphabet Street clocks in at about 2 minutes, Kylie on playout is faded out immediately after the credits have finished rolling. All to give such delicacies as The Adventures and Wet Wet Wet more time to perform, I suppose.
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Post by: Satchmo Distel on October 06, 2020, 08:35:24 PM
Whereas the 90s episodes are eventually down to just 8 tracks. 50% difference.
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Post by: Satchmo Distel on October 06, 2020, 08:48:51 PM
Oooo, is this the first episode to pair   Sarah and    Simon  ?

They are excellent in the first hour of this episode (which is as far as I am in so far) so it's long overdue.
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Post by: Epic Bisto on October 06, 2020, 08:56:05 PM
Listening right now but already got a big laugh from Priapic Price - he'll knock the cockles straight off your platter!
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Post by: non capisco on October 06, 2020, 09:50:13 PM
Listening right now but already got a big laugh from Priapic Price - he'll knock the cockles straight off your platter!

Self Price-olating.
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Post by: edon on October 07, 2020, 01:33:05 PM
"Boing boing boing" indeed.
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Post by: DrGreggles on October 07, 2020, 03:46:09 PM
Worst TOTP episode they've covered?
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Post by: edon on October 07, 2020, 04:26:37 PM
The 90s shows they've done have all been worse than that (especially the most recent 1996 one), but it's still pretty terrible. When Prefab Sprout are one of the best things going for it, you know you're in trouble.
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Post by: Epic Bisto on October 08, 2020, 09:23:52 AM
"Pump Up The Bitter" by Star Turn On 45 Pints, ffs.

Jesus wept.  That was one of the low points of humanity.
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Post by: Better Midlands on October 08, 2020, 11:02:57 AM
Jesus wept.  That was one of the low points of humanity.

They were mentioned in this thread last year.

Star Turn on 45 Pints

Live at The Whitley Bay Social Club:

https://youtu.be/iHRB3Hy0Xu0
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Post by: Egyptian Feast on October 08, 2020, 08:57:28 PM
Al got my name wrong! He muckled where he should've mackled, but I've heard worse over here, so I'll let him off. I've been mucklaüted before by a little bearded egg of a lecturer. Sounds messy.

I've only listened up to the telly listing, but great episode so far. I really liked Al's verse after he explained why the episode took so long. Good pairing of guests too, I'm surprised they hadn't done one together before.
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Post by: edon on October 08, 2020, 09:29:48 PM
I'm fairly sure they did the August 1995 and April 1991 shows together as well, but they were good on those too in any case. I do think Sarah does better with Neil or Taylor though to be honest; with the former things are a bit more upbeat on the whole, and with the latter they do kind of butt heads sometimes, which is interesting to hear - specifically when he wasn't lavishing much praise on Bad, both the album and the song, during the 1987 edition, and she stuck up for it by basically just saying she'd argue with him but doesn't give a fuck.
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Post by: buzby on October 08, 2020, 10:44:21 PM
Only on the first part so far. If it is the real Ricardo Autobahn then it's John Matthews, one half of Peel favourites The Cuban Boys. He's a nice chap - I met him once at an in-store in HMV Manchester where he was accompanying NotBBC's flamingkitties (I think they were an item - she moved up to Preston to live with him, and did vocals on some of his later tracks).

I've already spotted a mistake, though, When Al was reading out the contents of the NME and mention was made of the Blue Monday Sunkist Ad. Sumner did indeed record a vocal track for the ad at the same time as the new vocal take for Blue Monday 88 (which Jones ultimately never used - vocals from the 1988  'Sunkist' session crop up in the BM95 remixes). The advert shown in NewOrderStory (https://youtu.be/O2g9UJdH4MM?t=37) wasn't a mockup made for the documentary - it was the treatment rough cut made by the advertising agency to present to Sunkist in 1988, using footage that would go on to be used in the 1989 'Drink In The Sun' campaign (this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfNjfT9eWwQ) and this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6z40_qwjlM)) intercut with clips from Kathryn Bigelow's video for Touched By the Hand Of God from the previous year.

The ad agency account manager for the campaign, Cary Raffle (who is now a personal trainer in New York), =https://www.caryraffle.com/p/blog-page.htmlhas posted about it on his website (http://=https://www.caryraffle.com/p/blog-page.htmlhas posted about it on his website). His version of the story is that they had signed up both New Order and INXS (who they discovered while out in Australia shooting the footage) but Sunkist's board decided to go with the AOR-sounding jingle they had initially used as a temp track (he also mentions that they could no longer afford to pay the royalties for the use of Good Vibrations from their previous campaign, so that may have been a factor). Like any story relating to New Order, there are numerous versions of the truth.
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Post by: edon on October 08, 2020, 11:13:28 PM
Pretty sure that genuinely is Matthews, have seen him around on Twitter commenting on the TOTP repeats recently so he probably found CMP through there.
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Post by: Satchmo Distel on October 09, 2020, 12:21:49 AM
Was The Best by Tina Turner (1988) really the last hit to feature a prominent sax? Simon thought it was Curtis Stigers (1992), which seems more likely (but was Stigers + sax ever on TOTP?).
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Post by: buzby on October 09, 2020, 12:41:49 AM
Was The Best by Tina Turner (1988) really the last hit to feature a prominent sax? Simon thought it was Curtis Stigers (1992), which seems more likely (but was Stigers + sax ever on TOTP?).
Yes he was (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dtHqChPzbI)
Kenny G and Toni Braxton got to #22 with How Could An Angle Break My Heart in 1997.
also, off the top of my head, the Zutons records featured prominent sax courtesy of Abi Harding
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Post by: Egyptian Feast on October 09, 2020, 01:49:32 AM
Star Turn On 45 Pints is possibly the worst TOTP performance I've ever witnessed. The worst in recent memory at least. Since last year's repeat I'd forgotten how appalling it was and how dodgy that bit is. I can't wait to hear them get stuck into it. They should have patched Neil and Taylor in to give it a kicking as well.
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on October 09, 2020, 04:31:42 AM

I still enjoy hearing Al reading out the Patreons and recognising the odd name; Ballad of Ballard Berkeley popped up in a recent episode and I said "Hello" out loud like a twat.

Hello! We're all twats. I emit a sort of "hooray!" noise whenever I recognise someone from here being bigged up by Al too. It's all rather lovely.

A few months ago, during lockdown, Danny Baker read out a very funny email from Pricey. I was cowering underneath my duvet at the time, and it just made me feel a wee bit better.
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Post by: buzby on October 09, 2020, 07:58:09 AM
Just noticed I fucked up the link to Cary Raffle's blog page:
https://www.caryraffle.com/p/blog-page.html (https://www.caryraffle.com/p/blog-page.html)

Hmm, onto part 2 now. I think Simon is stretching saying that Doin up The House and Pump Up The Bitter are Hip Hop parodies - they are are quite clearly parodies of Pump Up The Volume which is House (I wouldn't really class the Coldcut 'Paid in Full' remix as Hip Hop either - Eric B and Rakim certainly didn't).

He's also downplaying Whitehouse and Higson's contribution to the record in an effort to lay into Enfield - Higson & Whitehouse were the members of the trio with the backgrounds in music (in Higson's bands The Higsons and their UEA punk band Right Hand Lovers alongside Dave Cummings). I'm sure that Orbit also had a significant contribution during the recording session over what tracks to pastiche, given he got a writer's credit. The blame needs to be equally shared.
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Post by: Better Midlands on October 09, 2020, 11:05:35 AM
I wouldn't really class the Coldcut 'Paid in Full' remix as Hip Hop either - Eric B and Rakim certainly didn't.

Rakim came round to it eventually and now says it's his favourite remix of their work.

https://www.passionweiss.com/2020/10/07/the-visionary-depth-of-coldcuts-paid-in-full-remix/
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Post by: beanheadmcginty on October 09, 2020, 11:48:53 AM
Always love it when Al introduces a football team in exactly the manner as a band, as he does particularly well in this episode i.e. "Formed in 1892, Liverpool Football Club...etc"
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Post by: Crabwalk on October 09, 2020, 12:35:49 PM
Just noticed I fucked up the link to Cary Raffle's blog page:
https://www.caryraffle.com/p/blog-page.html (https://www.caryraffle.com/p/blog-page.html)

Hmm, onto part 2 now. I think Simon is stretching saying that Doin up The House and Pump Up The Bitter are Hip Hop parodies - they are are quite clearly parodies of Pump Up The Volume which is House (I wouldn't really class the Coldcut 'Paid in Full' remix as Hip Hop either - Eric B and Rakim certainly didn't).

He's also downplaying Whitehouse and Higson's contribution to the record in an effort to lay into Enfield - Higson & Whitehouse were the members of the trio with the backgrounds in music (in Higson's bands The Higsons and their UEA punk band Right Hand Lovers alongside Dave Cummings). I'm sure that Orbit also had a significant contribution during the recording session over what tracks to pastiche, given he got a writer's credit. The blame needs to be equally shared.

I've never even thought of 'Doin Up the House' as a pisstake of the genre. Just a slightly cheesy cash-in, which seems entirely apt for the character. There's no way that Orbit (at least) doesn't have massive respect for the music its parodying, is there?

I mean, it's not particularly funny or enjoyable, but I don't think it's the cultural holocaust that Pricey made it out to be.

Starturn on 45 Pints, however...
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Post by: Satchmo Distel on October 09, 2020, 12:37:24 PM
Is it possible to say whether there's a correlation between date and crapness for 80s TOTP episodes - i.e. each year is automatically worse than the preceding one? From the CM ones, I think the 1989 episode was better than this one, and the 1994-95 ones arguably were. It could also be related to month - May will tend to have a football club song and the dregs of the spring releases. Who brings out their best material in May?

Three politically reactionary songs* in one episode might be a record, and clearly was a pushback against black music in favour of Enoch Powell values.

*Not reactionary in intent but in how they were adopted by the white audience. And, as Sarah noted, Enfield et al must have been tone deaf not to anticipate that some buyers would embrace the character and start waving tenners at northerners.
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on October 09, 2020, 02:44:59 PM
Always love it when Al introduces a football team in exactly the manner as a band, as he does particularly well in this episode i.e. "Formed in 1892, Liverpool Football Club...etc"

That never fails to make me laugh, it's a great running gag. You can hear Sarah chuckling at it too in the latest episode.
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on October 09, 2020, 02:57:32 PM
I thought they were a bit harsh on Enfield and Loadsamoney in the most recent episode. The record is shit, but there was no mention of the fact that Enfield, Whitehouse and Higson were so mortified by the success of that character, they killed him off a year later.

Yes, they milked him (urgh) for a bit, but when he became unexpectedly successful on Friday Night Live they introduced the character of Buggerallmoney - a Geordie bloke who was the antithesis of everything Loadsamoney stood for.

Also, Paul Whitehouse was an actual working-class plasterer, he was taking the piss out of the awful people he'd encountered - no mention of that either.
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Post by: Egyptian Feast on October 09, 2020, 03:16:22 PM
Nothing related to the latest episode, but I'm listening to The Jam's Snap!, have just heard 'English Rose' for the first time and, like Taylor's homophobic classmate, I clearly heard Weller sing "For no bums shall ever tempt me from she". OK, I looked it up and it's "bonds", but my ears still aren't having it and I don't want them to. Biggest laugh I've had all week, I'm so glad I put it on now.
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Post by: dr beat on October 09, 2020, 05:01:55 PM


Hmm, onto part 2 now. I think Simon is stretching saying that Doin up The House and Pump Up The Bitter are Hip Hop parodies - they are are quite clearly parodies of Pump Up The Volume which is House (I wouldn't really class the Coldcut 'Paid in Full' remix as Hip Hop either - Eric B and Rakim certainly didn't).

.
Yes surely the existence of that remix goes against Simon's claim that hip-hop and house existed without any crossover during that period.  I'm thinking also about Bomb the Bass as well.

I thought they were a bit harsh on Enfield and Loadsamoney in the most recent episode. The record is shit, but there was no mention of the fact that Enfield, Whitehouse and Higson were so mortified by the success of that character, they killed him off a year later.

Yes, they milked him (urgh) for a bit, but when he became unexpectedly successful on Friday Night Live they introduced the character of Buggerallmoney - a Geordie bloke who was the antithesis of everything Loadsamoney stood for.

Also, Paul Whitehouse was an actual working-class plasterer, he was taking the piss out of the awful people he'd encountered - no mention of that either.


Seconded.  And even if Enfield has said a few questionable things recently, I'd be surprised if the CMP team can't see any value in something like Smashey and Nicey - The End of an Era, which I thought would be right up their street.
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Post by: edon on October 09, 2020, 05:31:00 PM
I've never even thought of 'Doin Up the House' as a pisstake of the genre. Just a slightly cheesy cash-in, which seems entirely apt for the character. There's no way that Orbit (at least) doesn't have massive respect for the music its parodying, is there?

I mean, it's not particularly funny or enjoyable, but I don't think it's the cultural holocaust that Pricey made it out to be.

Starturn on 45 Pints, however...

I dunno - there is the dig at Derek B in there, but then there's also one aimed at SAW soon afterwards, so I don't think it was that much of an intentional pisstake of either house or hip hop, nor did Enfield look down on them. Just a novelty song taking advantage of what were the biggest trends in UK music at that time - imagine if Britpop happened in the late 80s instead and we had a Loadsamoney take on that.
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Post by: edon on October 09, 2020, 05:50:32 PM
Is it possible to say whether there's a correlation between date and crapness for 80s TOTP episodes - i.e. each year is automatically worse than the preceding one? From the CM ones, I think the 1989 episode was better than this one, and the 1994-95 ones arguably were. It could also be related to month - May will tend to have a football club song and the dregs of the spring releases. Who brings out their best material in May?

Having sat through some of the repeats, there has been a detectable decline ever since 1981-82. But 88 and 89 were definite improvements on the nadir that is 1987 for sure. It didn't help matters much that they'd got possibly the worst episode of the year anyway; S'Express were still #1 the week before, and before them it was the Pet Shop Boys, so the top end of the charts were by no means entirely awful at that point.
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Post by: dr beat on October 09, 2020, 07:25:43 PM
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 And even if Enfield has said a few questionable things recently, I'd be surprised if the CMP team can't see any value in something like Smashey and Nicey - The End of an Era, which I thought would be right up their street.


And of course there's a whole bit in that programme where they address the issue...you wouldn't believe...
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on October 09, 2020, 09:10:04 PM
And of course there's a whole bit in that programme where they address the issue...you wouldn't believe...

Indeed. End of an Era is the perfect Chart Music companion piece, but I guess they - Simon, Sarah and possibly Al - haven't seen it. The latest episode did reveal some curious gaps in Simon's pop culture knowledge. He's never seen Monkey or The Wonder Years!

The latter I can sort of understand, as he was a busy music journalist in his twenties when it first went out on Channel 4, but Monkey?! For shame, Simon.
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Post by: jamiefairlie on October 09, 2020, 11:45:13 PM
My heart did sink a bit when I heard it was Price, Bee and 1988. My two least favourite contributors and an awful year.

Price slagging off Enfield & co just felt like modern day sensibilities digging up stuff from the past to be offended by. Enfield was totally one of the alternative comedy crowd at the time and nobody thought 'Loads' was anything but an appalled reaction to the frankly loathsome creatures who took advantage of Thatcher's brave new world and did in fact talk and behave just like that. Price has a bee (ha ha) in his bonnet about 'punching down' but these people were arseholes who's actual punching was mostly delivered to innocent bystanders. Think Begbie and you'll be close.

I can't stand the deification of Prince, so any discussion of him just pisses me off too. He's become like ABBA, a 'classic' artist who is beyond criticism.

Never heard of The Adventures and I know why, godawful shit.

Yeah, so going well so far :-(
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on October 10, 2020, 12:19:27 AM
To be fair, jamie, Simon did say that he thought Alphabet Street by Prince was merely 'okay'. He's a massive Prince fan, but he's not uncritical.

ABBA don't get a completely free ride on Chart Music either. Stubbsy doesn't get them at all, and the rest of the gang - while obviously fans - never idly blow smoke up their pert Swedish arses.

Did Benny have a pert arse? I'm not sure. I've always been too busy looking at Bjorn's.
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Post by: non capisco on October 10, 2020, 12:25:31 AM
I can't stand the deification of Prince, so any discussion of him just pisses me off too. He's become like ABBA, a 'classic' artist who is beyond criticism.

'Beyond criticism'? Price starts off with "Can I shock you....I don't love this" about Alphabet Street and goes on to describe Lovesexy as "the start of his bullshit". (Whilst correctly citing deep cut 'Anna Stesia' as one of the best things Prince ever did, which is stone cold fucking true). If you don't like Prince at all, accchhh, your loss man, he was amazing.

The vitriol directed at Harry Enfield threw me for a bit of a loop. I love a lot of his stuff, 'End Of An Era' and 'Norbert Smith' especially, but Pricey's diatribe didn't even mention two of the dodgiest things in the 'Harry and Paul' series. Parking Pateweo never sat especially well with me and there's that 'Ricky Gervais' sketch which ends with an on-screen appearance by Nigel Farage himself, in on whatever the "joke" was. I don't think Enfield is "despicable" but I've never understood why they let that cunt on to help legitimize himself. I guess for the same reason HIGNFY kept unveiling Boris Johnson as a star attraction. A smug centrist assumption that the war was over.
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Post by: edon on October 10, 2020, 12:51:03 AM
Not too fair to accuse Al and co of worshipping Prince. He didn't get off too lightly in the 1989 episode either, which was fair enough as it was the Batman era, summarised by Pricey as him walking up to a blank canvas and drawing a cock and balls or something like that. When there's criticism to be made of him, he still deals it of course. Obviously you can treat him like a god, and you'd be very well justified in doing that for many reasons, but shortcomings must be remembered, and I think Al and co have acknowledged them well enough.
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on October 10, 2020, 01:04:01 AM
The vitriol directed at Harry Enfield threw me for a bit of a loop. I love a lot of his stuff, 'End Of An Era' and 'Norbert Smith' especially, but Pricey's diatribe didn't even mention two of the dodgiest things in the 'Harry and Paul' series. Parking Pateweo never sat especially well with me and there's that 'Ricky Gervais' sketch which ends with an on-screen appearance by Nigel Farage himself, in on whatever the "joke" was. I don't think Enfield is "despicable" but I've never understood why they let that cunt on to help legitimize himself. I guess for the same reason HIGNFY kept unveiling Boris Johnson as a star attraction. A smug centrist assumption that the war was over.

Pricey loves his comedy, but I get the impression that he doesn't really know much about Enfield and Whitehouse. So he probably hasn't seen those dodgy sketches or, more importantly, the brilliant stuff they've done. I guess he just took against Enfield in the '80s and hasn't altered his opinion since. We're all a bit like that regarding certain things.
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Post by: Nelson on October 10, 2020, 10:51:38 AM
I thought they were a bit harsh on Enfield and Loadsamoney in the most recent episode. The record is shit, but there was no mention of the fact that Enfield, Whitehouse and Higson were so mortified by the success of that character, they killed him off a year later.

Yes, they milked him (urgh) for a bit, but when he became unexpectedly successful on Friday Night Live they introduced the character of Buggerallmoney - a Geordie bloke who was the antithesis of everything Loadsamoney stood for.

Also, Paul Whitehouse was an actual working-class plasterer, he was taking the piss out of the awful people he'd encountered - no mention of that either.
I'm reassured that it wasn't just me who thought this. Buzby is right too when he mentions how the (fundamental) roles of PW and CH were skirted around. That said, I do think there's something in the point about the Loadsamoney punching down on working class people (something also seen with the Slobs and the Scousers, with PW, Kathy Burke and whichever McCann it was, all providing useful cover for the nastiness). And the record was shit.

McGann not McCann
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Post by: edon on October 10, 2020, 02:37:25 PM
I do think Bee and Pricey were a bit soft on Wet Wet Wet and Fairground Attraction, but then again they probably did seem a lot better coming after Pump Up The Bitter. It was good to hear Kylie get a fair amount of appreciation at the end though - there are some nice elements in Got To Be Certain, but the production naturally lets it down. Never knew that about it being originally given to Mandy Smith either.
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Post by: dr beat on October 10, 2020, 05:05:42 PM
Yeah I'm glad they finally had a chance to appraise Kylie, a fantastic pop star a million times more so than Madonna.  I do think Can't Get You Out of My Head is a hugely influential record that helped redefine pop and reintroduce it as a genre worthy of serious consideration.  Alongside stuff like Overload by Sugababes.

I do agree with Simon that Paul Calf's Video Diary is worthy and doesn't punch down - as our very own Blue Jam has said elsewhere, Calf is the exception in that he's surrounded by people who are hardworking and holding down steady jobs.
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Post by: dr beat on October 10, 2020, 05:12:59 PM
1988 was a good year for Anglo-Australian relations due to it being the 200th anniversary of the colonisation of the continent, well at least for an English point of view.  Gave lots of telly people excuses to head over there, I remember TV-AM doing a week presenting from Sydney.

Probably reflective more of English triumphalism, but it was a respite from arguments about sledging and ball-tampering.
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Post by: edon on October 10, 2020, 05:42:13 PM
I'm not sure both Enfield and Star Turn getting on the same show exemplifies it, but I do think there may be a bit of truth in that the people working on TOTP in 1988 looked down upon dance music and particularly hip hop - there was the brief ban on the former later in the year, despite Radio 1 still opting to play it, and even with performances by the likes of Derek B and the Wee Papa Girl Rappers, highly charting examples of the latter would sometimes get little to no time on.

The one that really sticks out to me is Don't Believe The Hype by Public Enemy getting completely snubbed, despite being the highest new entry at #23 the week it charted and then peaking at #18 the week after. Don't know if it just fell foul of a PE unavailable for performing and the video not being ready yet, but that does seem strange considering how the show would always play the highest new chart entry if possible, to the best of my knowledge.
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Post by: jamiefairlie on October 10, 2020, 08:11:18 PM
So Belinda Carlisle looks great because of her awesome attitude to life? I'm sure the plastic surgeons who basically restructured her entire face might disagree.
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Post by: jamiefairlie on October 10, 2020, 10:20:11 PM
I'm just not getting on with this episode at all. It's as if everything they say is the diametric opposite of what I think and that's never happened before.

All the lavish praise for Prefab Sprout? The essence of 80s awful MOR production, bland adult oriented mush, the safe indie band with great 'craft', alongside Aztec Camera.

Pump up the bitter? It was shite then it's shite now but it's no different to Cannon and Ball or Little and Large, it was mainstream 'northern club' type comedy, it wasn't for us so we could just ignore it. It's not the great offense to civilization that Bee seems to be saying through her fury.

The Wets? Fucking dreadful cheese. The fact that Pellow is enjoying it is neither here nor there, it's shite. Robbie Williams is shite too. Don't give me this crap that they're great entertainers and know how to give a great show, that's irrelevant if they're peddling shit wares.
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Post by: Seedsy on October 10, 2020, 10:39:27 PM
Can I be honest pop crazed youngsters. I didn't care for this episode at all.
Pricey seemed out of sorts, granted it was a shit show of an actual totp episode, but his whole mood seemed half arsed and a bit down. Al even seemed a bit offended when Simon relayed how shit the episode they had to dissect was.
However, and I'm sorry for saying this, I just can't really get on board with Sarah Bee. I don't find her engaging at all. Her musings often just trail off and go nowhere. , and her opinion on the wet wet wet performance, I just switched off. It went nowhere.

I like how Simon has such a visceral firebrand opinion on music and politics. I agree with him on alot of things but not all, but Sarah Bee is just so, "hey ho, it is what it is" on music To the point I actually was thinking. Are you sure you are on the right podcast.
I don't mean to be a prick or overly harsh.
Still love chart music.
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Post by: Satchmo Distel on October 10, 2020, 10:44:05 PM
Sarah is surely a welcome and necessary contrast to the negativity that sometimes comes from the male journalists? She also prevents the atmosphere becoming too sexist. The downside is that she only gets seems to be given episodes that are dated after my interest in TOTP tailed off.

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Post by: jamiefairlie on October 10, 2020, 10:46:46 PM
Yeah, you need the varying cynicism of at least one of the other three to balance the chemistry. Price is just scattergun hyperbole and Bee doesn't want to offend anyone and, honestly, doesn't seem to see music as a vital thing, seeming to like the spectacle, the rave, the live interactive experience more. Which is all fine but this works best when there's forensic analysis of the song, the band, the social context of the time, that's when it's really engaging. That's what the other three bring to varying degrees (Taylor being the best at it).
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Post by: Satchmo Distel on October 10, 2020, 10:47:51 PM
Meanwhile, Al has informed me via Facebook PM that they still plan to cover Savile but are working out how to tackle it.
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Post by: Rizla on October 10, 2020, 10:54:40 PM
Yeah, I'll chime in and say I wasn't exactly riveted by this, despite the ep in question being one I vividly remember, and remember hating, as at 12 years old I was regularly affronted by the state of the programme which never seemed to feature the stuff I liked in the charts (Tango in the Night would have been my fave album at the time, I remember getting the cassette along with Graceland and the current Shadows release using the old Britannia Music Club scam - older readers will know what I'm talking about here).

Very few laughs, zero social history, a palpable mood of despondency from Pricey and Sarah being a bit too Pollyanna-ish, as others have pointed out. Can't win em all I guess. That recent Parkes/Stubbs episode may have spoiled me a bit.
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Post by: jamiefairlie on October 10, 2020, 10:55:19 PM
Sarah is surely a welcome and necessary contrast to the negativity that sometimes comes from the male journalists? She also prevents the atmosphere becoming too sexist. The downside is that she only gets seems to be given episodes that are dated after my interest in TOTP tailed off.

Is it sexist? I've never really noticed anything that would qualify for that to be honest. Certainly male, in the way they tend to approach things but I'm not sure if they've ever been downright sexist.
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Post by: Neomod on October 10, 2020, 11:00:33 PM
A very disappointing episode but whoever dissed Prefab Sprout and Aztec Camera upthread is on fucking glue.
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Post by: jamiefairlie on October 10, 2020, 11:10:46 PM
A very disappointing episode but whoever dissed Prefab Sprout and Aztec Camera upthread is on fucking glue.

That was me and I stand by it. Bland, tasteful, worthy stuff that's well crafted and won't upset the oldies. You can add Elvis Costello from that period in too, ach may as well go the whole hog....later Orange Juice, later Squeeze, The Beautiful South, Deacon Blue, The Kane Gang, Del Amitri, Then Jerico, Danny Wilson, Hue and Cry, Fairground Attraction, Texas, The Christians....

I mean I could go on but  it's like shooting fish in a barrel.
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Post by: edon on October 10, 2020, 11:27:54 PM
That was me and I stand by it. Bland, tasteful, worthy stuff that's well crafted and won't upset the oldies. You can add Elvis Costello from that period in too, ach may as well go the whole hog....later Orange Juice, later Squeeze, The Beautiful South, Deacon Blue, The Kane Gang, Del Amitri, Then Jerico, Danny Wilson, Hue and Cry, Fairground Attraction, Texas, The Christians....

I mean I could go on but  it's like shooting fish in a barrel.

Pretty much all the acts listed there do deserve some stick for most of the safe stuff they peddled, but The King Of Rock 'N' Roll and Somewhere In My Heart genuinely were two of the better songs in the Top 40 around the May 1988 period. Although that may say something about the state of both songs and the charts at the same time.

I did say Al should be careful in which TOTPs he picks after 1985, and I think this is a good example of why - they should've gone for one with Bros or S'Express on or something. I don't really agree with all of the criticisms that have been levelled at this episode, but the actual show's content and sheer amount of crap on kind of hindered the quality of the discussion in places. A good deal of it could've just been edited out, no real loss would've been made; it was the longest episode thus far after all.
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Post by: edon on October 10, 2020, 11:33:52 PM
I already hope they can get another one out sooner than later, a 70s TOTP must be on the cards next. A new Here Comes Quizim wouldn't go amiss either.
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Post by: kidsick5000 on October 10, 2020, 11:37:06 PM
I loved the story of that struggling band Liverpool FC.

But the hatred of Loadsamoney and Star Turn was, in a word, weird.
Especially the reading of some insidious masterplan in Star Turn's chancerish cash-in.
The performance is a huge turd of a thing, but its also a sketch more than a song and they'd not figured how that would look on TV.
(Also, Are You Affiliated? is a corker. I had no idea it was so old)

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Post by: non capisco on October 11, 2020, 09:37:45 PM
It definitely felt like a comparatively low octane episode (I got the sense that neither of the guests were in the right mood for it, Simon especially) but I did really enjoy Al's unexpected genuine love and enthusiasm for 'Anfield Rap'. And although I don't love the sound of 'King Of Rock And Roll' I wholeheartedly agree with Simon that the opening lyrics to that first verse are utterly wonderful. That "All my lazy teenage boasts/Are now high precision ghosts/And they're coming round the track to haunt me" bit, that jumped out at me on the contemporaneous TOTP repeat when they were in the studio.
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Post by: Better Midlands on October 11, 2020, 09:49:33 PM
"All my lazy teenage boasts/Are now high precision ghosts/And they're coming round the track to haunt me"

Those lines have brought tears to my eyes a few times, they're too on the nose. For McAloon to have written them at 30 years old is impressive, it took me 15 years longer before I got it.
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Post by: kidsick5000 on October 11, 2020, 10:06:23 PM
While I really can't do the full Heimat of 5.5 hours, but it's still entertaining split into segments.

Quick question. Which was the episode where they went at the last years of Melody Maker?
I think it was another Sarah Bee and Simon Price ep I think
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Post by: non capisco on October 11, 2020, 10:21:41 PM
While I really can't do the full Heimat of 5.5 hours, but it's still entertaining split into segments.

Quick question. Which was the episode where they went at the last years of Melody Maker?
I think it was another Sarah Bee and Simon Price ep I think

Sarah and Neil, episode 37, 'ITV Digital And Chill'
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Post by: kidsick5000 on October 11, 2020, 10:25:31 PM
Sarah and Neil, episode 37, 'ITV Digital And Chill'

Thank you
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Post by: Seedsy on October 11, 2020, 11:16:14 PM
When, rather than if there's a Saville episode. They should make it a clash of the titans, all 5 contributers involved
A 10 hour extravaganza. Al as always keeping things under control
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Post by: non capisco on October 11, 2020, 11:42:48 PM
It surely can't have the usual CSS theme music, "EHHHH UP" and 'pop and interesting' chat preamble. It will have to be almost a seperate one-off podcast with a tacit understanding that you won't be getting any levity this time. I don't even think it should necessarily be an analysis of a particular episode that Savile hosted as then there'd be uncomfortable tonal shifts between discussing that evil cunt and then whatever acts he was introducing that week. If they're ever going to do it then it should probably be a deck clearing special analysis of the elephant in the room, the effects of that morally diseased indvidual's nation grooming starting with Top Of The Pops and broadening out to all of UK culture.

Taylor has to be one of the guests for this, natch.
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Post by: edon on October 12, 2020, 12:19:28 AM
They could always go for a show where Savile appears but is among several other R1 DJs, so that his shadow isn't looming over things too much. He definitely only pops up in one or two links during the Christmas 1981 special, which would be an amazing one for them to do:

Quote
25/12/81  (Radio 1 DJs)
The Teardrop Explodes – “Reward”
Ultravox – “Vienna”
Kim Wilde – “Kids In America”
The Human League – “Love Action (I Believe In Love)”
Godley & Crème – “Under Your Thumb”
Kirsty MacColl – “There’s A Guy Works Down The Chip Shop Swears He’s Elvis”
Dave Stewart & Colin Blunstone – “What Becomes Of The Broken Hearted?”
The Jacksons – “Can You Feel It?” (Zoo)
Linx – “Intuition”
The Beat – “Too Nice To Talk To”
Spandau Ballet – “Chant No.1 (I Don’t Need This Pressure On)”
Toyah – “It’s A Mystery”
Laurie Anderson – “O Superman” (Zoo)
Altered Images – “Happy Birthday”
Depeche Mode – “Just Can’t Get Enough”
OMD – “Souvenir”
Shakin’ Stevens – “You Drive Me Crazy”
The Beatles – “All You Need Is Love” (audience singalong + credits)

Other options include the 1000th episode and Radio 1 15th Anniversary show (which has the Dexys Jocky Wilson performance, and I think was previously briefly discussed on CMP for the scene of the DJs dancing to Friend Or Foe by Adam Ant).
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on October 12, 2020, 09:33:27 AM
It surely can't have the usual CSS theme music, "EHHHH UP" and 'pop and interesting' chat preamble. It will have to be almost a seperate one-off podcast with a tacit understanding that you won't be getting any levity this time. I don't even think it should necessarily be an analysis of a particular episode that Savile hosted as then there'd be uncomfortable tonal shifts between discussing that evil cunt and then whatever acts he was introducing that week. If they're ever going to do it then it should probably be a deck clearing special analysis of the elephant in the room, the effects of that morally diseased indvidual's nation grooming starting with Top Of The Pops and broadening out to all of UK culture.

Taylor has to be one of the guests for this, natch.

But wouldn't that be a bit of a 'very special episode' of Chart Music? I think they're far too self-aware to put out something like that. Not that your idea is bad, but I just can't imagine them feeling comfortable with an episode in which avuncular Al basically says, "And now the laughter stops, let's get serious."

They did a great job of discussing Glitter in one of the early podcasts, but he was just one act during an otherwise inoffensive episode. I dunno. I think they could do it, but I get why they've held off on it. The Savile story is grim beyond belief. So is the Glitter story, but you know what I mean.
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Post by: Neomod on October 12, 2020, 10:57:53 AM
I think now they need to take a bit of time with the episode selection (still haven't got through the present one switching to the Smash Hits pod instead).

Personally I don't care if they have several eps from the same year as long as the majority of bands appearing are:

1. Worth talking about
2. Haven't been covered before

Not that difficult I would have thought with one ep a month.

I mentioned an all contributor edition before. Can't remember if it was for the birthday/christmas ep but they should defo do that this christmas[1].

Anyone else hoping/waiting for the inevitable pop culture smorgasbord pod presented by Taylor and friends. I hope his people i.e. him are in talks as we speak.
 1. not for Saville though
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Post by: Seedsy on October 12, 2020, 04:37:50 PM
Absolutely, now they have the backing of great big owl. I'd like them to really get some more iconic episodes instead of the random ones.
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Post by: edon on October 12, 2020, 05:17:48 PM
I'd like them to really get some more iconic episodes instead of the random ones.

But they're the problem, Savile's on so many of the particularly notable editions, and I presume they only want to do him once or twice. I know the contributors still haven't covered some of their personal favourite chart acts yet though - Pricey's still not talked about the Manics or Dexys (the former's IRA complaint baiting performance of Faster would be a good one to hear him on), Neil and Al haven't had many proper chances to talk about rap so Public Enemy would be ideal soon, etc.

I notice Stubbsy hasn't been on a 1982 episode yet, even though I'm sure he's said in his writing before that he considers it to be a zenith of sorts for UK pop. Would've thought he preferred 79, but that year does have popular stuff like ABC, The Associates, and New Gold Dream era Simple Minds going for it, among more, so I can see why he likes it so much.
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Post by: DrGreggles on October 12, 2020, 05:53:32 PM
Absolutely, now they have the backing of great big owl. I'd like them to really get some more iconic episodes instead of the random ones.

Not for me. The random aspect is part of the appeal.
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Post by: edon on October 12, 2020, 06:35:47 PM
A random, unremarkable episode of TOTP can sometimes say a lot more about the state of pop music and culture at that time than some of the ones built up as 'iconic', but at the same time a lot of the post 1985 ones are either just shit or dull - sometimes down to the show's own format, not even the songs on. I don't see CMP running out of steam any time soon, but Al probably should have some level of awareness over what editions he chooses instead of it being completely random, especially with the ones from after 1987 or so.
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Post by: kidsick5000 on October 12, 2020, 10:52:28 PM
But they're the problem, Savile's on so many of the particularly notable editions, and I presume they only want to do him once or twice. I know the contributors still haven't covered some of their personal favourite chart acts yet though - Pricey's still not talked about the Manics or Dexys (the former's IRA complaint baiting performance of Faster would be a good one to hear him on), Neil and Al haven't had many proper chances to talk about rap so Public Enemy would be ideal soon, etc.

I notice Stubbsy hasn't been on a 1982 episode yet, even though I'm sure he's said in his writing before that he considers it to be a zenith of sorts for UK pop. Would've thought he preferred 79, but that year does have popular stuff like ABC, The Associates, and New Gold Dream era Simple Minds going for it, among more, so I can see why he likes it so much.

And for all the references, no Man 2 Man meets Man Parrish
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Post by: kidsick5000 on October 12, 2020, 11:08:55 PM
Sarah and Neil, episode 37, 'ITV Digital And Chill'

Listening back to their recounting of MM’s last days is fascinating. Sarah’s dawning realisation that utopia isn’t what it’s meant to be. The panicked pandering to PR firms, focus groups and an increasingly narrow audience. Plus the mothership giving more power and resources to the NME.
But it’s also funny (in an odd way) that Neil’s argument goes awry due to his loathing of Mark Sutherland - refused to do his job properly, caused £3k damage to a hotel, went off to get high while he was meant to be working, fabricated the facts in his column - and then feeling aggrieved when Sutherland has a go at him for it.
I know Sutherland led the final spiral down the bowl, and that Anti-garage manifesto is appalling, but there’s a touch of the Vicky Pollard to some of his anger
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on October 12, 2020, 11:20:34 PM
I know what you mean, but it's important to remember that Mark Sutherland was an intimidating ox of a man who didn't have a fucking clue. He couldn't write, he had terrible taste in music (I don't think he had any actual interest in music), and he had absolutely no idea how to deal with people in a reasonable, sympathetic way.

He was a company man through and through.
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Post by: Jockice on October 13, 2020, 03:58:51 AM
(Also, Are You Affiliated? is a corker. I had no idea it was so old)

As mentioned on the musical opinions you don't understand thread, a group of friends and I had a virtual jukebox night recently. This was the opening track. Because the bloke who set the whole thing up likes it. I hadn't heard it for many a year though. Apart from that and the closing track (Zoom by Fat Larry's Band. Because we all used to sing along to the chorus in the pub) it was all done at random though. And I'll just repeat it was the best night out or in I've had all year.
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Post by: kidsick5000 on October 13, 2020, 06:56:27 AM
Mark Sutherland was an intimidating ox of a man

Look more like Peter Egan here https://www.musicweek.com/user/read/99944 (https://www.musicweek.com/user/read/99944)

He might want to boost his online profile. The first search for Mark Sutherland does not get favourable results.
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Post by: Jockice on October 13, 2020, 07:59:35 AM
Look more like Peter Egan here https://www.musicweek.com/user/read/99944 (https://www.musicweek.com/user/read/99944)

He might want to boost his online profile. The first search for Mark Sutherland does not get favourable results.

Are him and Steve Sutherland brothers? Do they make others quiver?

(I have a cousin whose surname is Sutherland incidentally. But he's an only child.)
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Post by: buzby on October 13, 2020, 09:16:32 AM
Got through the next part with the Anfiled Rap in. Christ, Price seems to have a sense of humour failure in this episode, and it was inevitable that Bee was going to dismiss it out of hand. Thank God that Al took it in the spirit it was created - both Johnston and Barnes were big rap fans. Also, Simon - keep your 'Uncle Tomming' aspersions to yourself - have you ever heard John Aldridge talk?

Moved onto the next part with Pump Up The Bitter. Now, the record is audio cancer, but it's clear that neither Price or Bee have ever been in a working men's club, the 'wheeltappers and shunters' vibe continued well into the 90s. Then we get onto the horrific 'Mrs Patel' segment, which is by far the worst crime on the record. However, it then becomes a 10-minute discussion about how it's a slight on Ofra Haza - IT'S NOT EVEN HER ON PUMP UP THE VOLUME! The bit they are 'parodying' is a sample from 'Abu Zeluf ' by Dunya Yunis (a Lebanese singer) from a 1976 compilation of Islamic songs, which had previously been sampled on Byrne & Eno's Regiment from My Life In The Bush Of Ghosts.

That's what happens when you use Wikipedia for research - the Wiki article still maintains Pump Up The Volume sampled Im Nin'Alu, despite the Dunya Yunis sample being known for years. Ofra Haza was sampled on Coldcut's remix of Paid In Full, which is why Im Nin'Alu has been rereleased and is in the charts. Al must have realised the mistake and tries to mention how influential Eric B and Rakim were in the charts at the time, but again it's use on Paid In Full was totally down to Coldcut.

We then get Bee's piss weak defence of how lovely the lyric thief and preening fuck Pellow is and his band's insipid rendition of a Beatles song is is after Star Turn and the same level of praise for the bland, twee shite of Fairground Attraction. This episode is making me actively angry. I figured it was going to be trouble from the start as I've never really got on with the opinions of one of the contributors.

The I Want You Back 88 Remix was by PWL's 'Mixmaster' Phil Harding. It had been remixed and rereleased due to it's use as the basis for Dancin' Danny D and Norman Cook's 'Six Minutes Of Soul' remix of I Know You Got Soul that had been put out the previous February following the success of Coldcut's Paid In Full remix.

The superfluous 1988 remix of Blue Monday originated from Quincy Jones (they were signed to his QWest label in the US) and them getting a massive tax bill after finally getting some money from the royalties off the sales of the Substance compilation album.
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Post by: grainger on October 13, 2020, 01:43:08 PM
I've had similar issues with CM in the past. Savaging a performance for factually-incorrect reasons. (I'm not going to bother saying which one, because I don't want to argue over the specifics). Admittedly, the performance in question was something they'd diss for other reasons anyway, but...

I still love CM. It's great to hear hatred or love of a track expressed so articulately, even if I often disagree.

I really hate the Blue Monday 88 remix. Pointless twiddly overdubs, when the original's minimalism is a central pillar of the track. Also, those twiddly noises are hard to un-hear: it was years before I could listen to the original without my brain "drawing them in".

I enjoyed this episode though.
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Post by: Better Midlands on October 13, 2020, 02:03:01 PM

I really hate the Blue Monday 88 remix. Pointless twiddly overdubs, when the original's minimalism is a central pillar of the track. Also, those twiddly noises are hard to un-hear: it was years before I could listen to the original without my brain "drawing them in".

I quite like the 88 remix, I was a bit young to be over familiar with the original so it was only over subsequent years that I realised what had been overdubbed. I like the added percussion and the bassline is nice and squelchy, as mentioned it's all pretty unnecessary. I read an interview with Mark Kamins (Dancetreria DJ, New York) where he said that he did a lot of US mixes of UK bands of the time and basically just beefed up the bottom end/drums for American dancefloors - so I guess it's following that trend really.
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Post by: buzby on October 13, 2020, 02:47:13 PM
I quite like the 88 remix, I was a bit young to be over familiar with the original so it was only over subsequent years that I realised what had been overdubbed. I like the added percussion and the bassline is nice and squelchy, as mentioned it's all pretty unnecessary. I read an interview with Mark Kamins (Dancetreria DJ, New York) where he said that he did a lot of US mixes of UK bands of the time and basically just beefed up the bottom end/drums for American dancefloors - so I guess it's following that trend really.
It was the first New Order CD single I bought, having just got a CD player.

John Potoker did the legwork for Jones in the remix - he also did loads of US mixes of British artists, but was was mostly known for his Phil Collins remixes, FFS!. Bernard did record a new vocal take for it (at the same time as the aborted Sunkist ad) but they decided not to use it. It's the 'incogruous vocal sample scattergun' method that was the style at the time that made it sound dated really quickly. There is a demo version (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDzced3z_Z8) that's the same mix minus most of the vocal samples that sounds a lot better (there were also two alternative demo versions with samples that sound even worse than the released version).
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Post by: Jockice on October 13, 2020, 03:21:54 PM
I quite like the 88 remix, I was a bit young to be over familiar with the original so it was only over subsequent years that I realised what had been overdubbed. I like the added percussion and the bassline is nice and squelchy, as mentioned it's all pretty unnecessary. I read an interview with Mark Kamins (Dancetreria DJ, New York) where he said that he did a lot of US mixes of UK bands of the time and basically just beefed up the bottom end/drums for American dancefloors - so I guess it's following that trend really.


They've literally just played it on Six Music as I was reading this thread. Didn't like the original much, don't like the remix. Although the video for it features an identical wind-up frog to the one I had in my teens. Which I shoplifted from Redgates in Sheffield.
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Post by: grainger on October 13, 2020, 04:53:33 PM
ISTR if you ask Alexa to play Blue Monday, she plays the remix, so I wonder if that will become the defacto "standard version" over time?
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Post by: Better Midlands on October 13, 2020, 05:30:33 PM
There is a demo version (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDzced3z_Z8) that's the same mix minus most of the vocal samples that sounds a lot better

You're quite right, I'd never heard that - sounds really good to me. I like John Potoker's work, he did a lot of remixes with Francois Kervorkian and Jellybean. His remix of Sledgehammer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7Ri5FgobIs) is excellent, one of the first 12"s I bought and definitely got me into remixes - I like the Phil Collins ones. To bring things back round to New Order it's got a nice Peter Saville cover.

(https://petergabriel.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/sledge_ltd12_front.jpg)
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Post by: Better Midlands on October 13, 2020, 05:41:04 PM
That's what happens when you use Wikipedia for research - the Wiki article still maintains Pump Up The Volume sampled Im Nin'Alu, despite the Dunya Yunis sample being known for years.

Just remembered 'cos I mentioned him earlier, Mark Kamins reckons he was responsible for that vocal ending up on PUTV.

https://daily.redbullmusicacademy.com/2014/02/mark-kamins-interview

Quote
How did things come to a close at Danceteria?

I went to open my own club, which was called the Harem, and I rented out a belly dance studio in Time Square at 48th Street and Eighth Avenue. God, why did I leave? I just think I got fed up. Well, actually, I started getting a lot of work in the studio and I wanted to DJ something new. I started this club called the Harem where I had five Turkish musicians behind me who played live with instrumental house tracks that I would play. It was completely spontaneous. It was about me being more of an artist than a DJ. There was an English band came down – “pump up the volume, pump up the volume, dance” – remember those guys?

M/A/R/R/S.

M/A/R/R/S, OK. They came one night with a white label. And I played the white label, and then I would play an Egyptian singer, a cappella on top of M/A/R/R/S. So they went back to London and remixed it with my Arabic a cappella.
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Post by: edon on October 13, 2020, 08:15:51 PM
I'm not sure Bee or Pricey themselves are at fault too much for the latest episode not being of the same standard of the last couple. They did alright on that August 1995 one previously, mainly because there was mileage to be had out of Britpop, Romo, etc. It's just a terrible episode of TOTP that happened to bring out some of the worst we've seen in them, and I doubt any of the other contributors would have improved things if they were on instead, even Taylor.

Al could've easily done better; 1988 would've been seen in a more genuinely positive light if they'd just covered a different show from that year. There was still stuff around which created notable TOTP moments. We Call It Acieed and Steve Wright in a smiley face shirt contributing to the tabloid panic, All About Eve and their adventures in miming technical issues, there was so much more that could've been done.
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Post by: Nelson on October 13, 2020, 08:31:13 PM
I'm a bit surprised at the stick this episode is getting. Maybe it's because I was 14 when this episode went out but I enjoyed it. But my delight at hearing Prefab Sprout getting unanimous praise might have coloured my response.  I was a bit worried that TKORAR would get a lukewarm reaction.

I suppose some of the chat (Wet Wet Wet) was forgettable and I'm a bit surprised that they skipped over Sgt Pepper Knew My Father so dismissively.
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Post by: Brundle-Fly on October 13, 2020, 09:55:14 PM
That was me and I stand by it. Bland, tasteful, worthy stuff that's well crafted and won't upset the oldies. You can add Elvis Costello from that period in too, ach may as well go the whole hog....later Orange Juice, later Squeeze, The Beautiful South, Deacon Blue, The Kane Gang, Del Amitri, Then Jerico, Danny Wilson, Hue and Cry, Fairground Attraction, Texas, The Christians....

I mean I could go on but  it's like shooting fish in a barrel.

Costello in the late eighties recorded two quite difficult and political albums at this point in his career:,Spike and Mighty Like The Rose. Hardly bland. Given, the singles Veronica and The Other Side Of Summer were quite poppy but also bloody good. Count me as another fan of Prefab Sprout here and I wasn't an oldie in 1988.  Also Hourglass by Squeeze was a TUNE!
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Post by: dr beat on October 13, 2020, 10:03:15 PM
Also, Simon - keep your 'Uncle Tomming' aspersions to yourself - have you ever heard John Aldridge talk?


Yeah, as someone of that vernacular persuasion (well a bit) I didn't care for that either - are we all meant to get elocution lessons? Is that not code-switching?

To be fair though I did think that while there was an unusually angry vibe in some of this episode, I've heard it in full a couple of times now and it was absent in plenty of other bits. I do wonder if it might be down to a bit of covid-related ennui and perhaps feeling pressure to get the thing done.  It sounds like Al and Simon in particular have had a hard time of it recently.
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Post by: edon on October 13, 2020, 11:26:42 PM
I dunno, I think we've seen that level of vitriol from Taylor before sometimes (Toyah and Geldof spring to mind), but it did seem odd coming from Simon at certain points. I remember him mentioning having a real distaste for Loadsamoney in one of his previous episodes, so I wasn't surprised Enfield got it in the neck over both fair and unfair issues, but the contempt for Star Turn really was considerable. Appalling, most definitely, but it surely isn't the worst thing they've covered so far, and can't be among the lowest lows of TOTP either?
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Post by: buzby on October 14, 2020, 12:43:06 AM
To bring things back round to New Order it's got a nice Peter Saville cover.
(https://petergabriel.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/sledge_ltd12_front.jpg)
Saville's work on Gabriel's So and it's singles was largely recycled from what he did for New Order's Low Life the year earlier.

Just remembered 'cos I mentioned him earlier, Mark Kamins reckons he was responsible for that vocal ending up on PUTV.

https://daily.redbullmusicacademy.com/2014/02/mark-kamins-interview

The club night that Kamins is taking about was The Harem, which he started after leaving the Danceteria in 1985. Kamins was well known at that time for his use of the Im Nin'Alu acapella in particular, which led to him producing the Gates Of Heaven remix (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lO_-lQwy9GQ) (which uses the Eric B and Rakim 'Dance' sample from Pump Up The Volume) for the US re-release of the track in 1988. Given his friendship with New Order, and that timeframe, I can well believe he may have been the influence behind Abu Zeluf being sampled on Angel Dust (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGIc5JAHHHU) on the Brotherhood album from 1986. Mike Pickering had also heard Kamins play Fadela's N'Sel Fik (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nvfphUNGog) there and convinced Tony Wilson to licence it for release on Factory in November 1987.

Dave Dorrell had been over to New York in 83-84 and met Mark Kamins when he was DJing at Save The Robots, but that was long before he and CJ Mackintosh got involved with MARRS. In 1987 Dorrell was busy running his Love At The Wag and RAW club nights (with Mackintosh DJing).

Their initial work on the track took one day (after getting the phone call in the morning to come to Blackwing where the Youngs were working on it - Martin Young had worked with Dorrell previously on his MTV idents) for which they were paid £200. That was the original 5:08 12" mix that got test pressed and promoed in July 1987. The feedback it was getting in clubs led to them being asked back to produce the remix that added a lot more samples and scratching (including the sample of Abu Zeluf) and 7" edit. The original 12" mix was released on the 24th of August with the remix and 7" edit a week later.

The 'Music In The world Of Islam' series and the volume the sample comes from was only released in the UK. When asked about it in a recent interview, Mackintosh said:
Quote from: CJ Mackintosh
Somebody – probably Dave – gave me the record and told me to give it a listen. I found that sample, and it sort of worked. It’s actually sped up, the original track was at 33rpm, but on Pump Up The Volume, it’s at 45.
There is an excellent article on Dounia Younes, the history of the recording and how she never saw a penny from it here (https://projectrevolver.org/features/articles/the-story-of-dounia-younes-and-the-lost-recording/).
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Post by: Egyptian Feast on October 14, 2020, 10:00:08 AM
I dunno, I think we've seen that level of vitriol from Taylor before sometimes (Toyah and Geldof spring to mind), but it did seem odd coming from Simon at certain points. I remember him mentioning having a real distaste for Loadsamoney in one of his previous episodes, so I wasn't surprised Enfield got it in the neck over both fair and unfair issues, but the contempt for Star Turn really was considerable. Appalling, most definitely, but it surely isn't the worst thing they've covered so far, and can't be among the lowest lows of TOTP either?

I've been trying to think of a TOTP performance I've hated more since the repeats started and still can't think of an alternative. What do you regard as the lowest lows of TOTP or acts discussed on Chart Music?
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Post by: DrGreggles on October 14, 2020, 10:09:24 AM
I think it's definitely the worst one CM has covered, but that's the random nature of it I suppose. There's plenty of gold in discussing shit acts/performances, but some things are just too shit.
I suppose the 2 Man Sound episode would have looked fairly non-descript upon initial inspection.
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Post by: edon on October 14, 2020, 10:20:51 AM
Have to say, I think Convoy G.B. is probably worse than Pump Up The Bitter. Out of pure failure at what it's attempting to do, it eclipses the latter in my mind.

And that 1996 episode they covered this year was truly dreadful. At least this May 88 edition had a decent Prince single going for it, and one or two other things if you can enthuse yourself enough. The high point of the 96 one was a weak Menswear ballad, whilst the lowest low was Oasis getting on, even weeks after they'd already dropped from the #1 spot. Summed up everything that can be hated about the period.
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Post by: Brundle-Fly on October 14, 2020, 11:59:29 AM
I like the way they cover random nondescript TOTP episodes. It gives a more honest perspective on pop music and we are only getting the perspective from ex-Melody Maker journalists here. One Two man's Fish from Marillion, is another man's Poison.
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Post by: Norton Canes on October 14, 2020, 12:40:01 PM
Never listened to any of these - has Taylor ever had a chance to comment on The The? Seem to remember a Facebook post of his really laying into Matt Johnson.

[Edit: Not personally - just his over-earnest lyrics]
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Post by: kidsick5000 on October 14, 2020, 05:06:12 PM
I've been trying to think of a TOTP performance I've hated more since the repeats started and still can't think of an alternative. What do you regard as the lowest lows of TOTP or acts discussed on Chart Music?

I'll be interested to see what they make of Shut Up And Dance's exclusive remix of Raving I'm Raving.
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Post by: edon on October 14, 2020, 08:56:49 PM
I notice the BBC have now just announced a drama series about Savile's life, death, and the fallout from it. Wonder if that's going to make any difference or influence on Al's intent to cover an episode with him in it.
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Post by: Natnar on October 14, 2020, 09:50:53 PM
I do hope Sarah does end up being on an episode with a Tango In The Night hit on it as she's quite clearly a fan of the album.
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Post by: Satchmo Distel on October 15, 2020, 11:50:42 PM
The worst ever track covered so far must be the homophobic one from the mid-70s: If by Yin and Yan 10.4.75
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Post by: buzby on October 16, 2020, 12:02:44 AM
The worst ever track covered so far must be the homophobic one from the mid-70s.
The Lone Ranger (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fM8Hf5NIOmY&feature=emb_logo) by Quantum Jump from 1979?
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Post by: Satchmo Distel on October 16, 2020, 12:11:22 AM
Yin and Yan was worse because the whole premise was ridiculing gay men.
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Post by: Egyptian Feast on October 16, 2020, 01:18:42 AM
I'd completely forgotten about Yin and Yan and had to look it up. That is worse than Pump Up The Bitter, agreed. After hearing enough of it to remember, I need to cleanse my ears by listening to that discussion again.

The YouTube video (https://youtu.be/RcvnxsJJ7bQ) of their TOTP appearance has no sound for most of it, which was the ideal way to experience it. I watched the silhouette mincing in silence for a couple of minutes then switched off immediately when the repressed memory resurfaced after a few seconds of bad Telly.

The Lone Ranger (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fM8Hf5NIOmY&feature=emb_logo) by Quantum Jump from 1979?

I haven't got to that yet, but having watched 20 seconds of it  I need to know...is Taylor on that episode? That video should have a warning. Even if I'd known it was BA Cunterson beforehand, I couldn't have expected that. Jesus fuck.

I must've missed that repeat. Who could forget that? I'll be surprised if a lank haired Japanese girl doesn't climb out of my phone within a week.
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Post by: Egyptian Feast on October 16, 2020, 01:24:13 AM
I stared back into the abyss for a further few seconds and realised that isn't BA Cunterson but a different foot-faced cunt. They could be brothers though. Eurrgh.
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Post by: Johnboy on October 16, 2020, 11:01:32 AM
I enjoyed this episode, though I did have to fast forward Sarah a bit towards the end.
 I got good mileage out of Simon especially re Prefab Sprout and I was glad he didn’t bang on about the Beatles
– I wonder does he realise Electric Guitars is almost certainly based on the Fabs.
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Post by: edon on October 16, 2020, 06:19:37 PM
I still liked some of the chat of course. The preamble and dissection of an NME issue from that month was interesting as always, the coverage of Prince and Kylie was good, etc. A slightly below average episode of Chart Music is so, so much better than no Chart Music at all.
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Post by: Bernice on October 16, 2020, 06:22:48 PM
One Two man's Fish from Marillion, is another man's Poisson.
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Post by: Seedsy on October 18, 2020, 06:15:23 PM
 Has there been any tunes that the gang has coated down and you just didn't see it coming?
I couldnt believe the scathe KC got for "give it up". Is it maybe a nostalgia thing from me, as it reminds me of being a littlun, but it's a great tune. I thought it would have been right up CMP street too.
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Post by: Better Midlands on October 18, 2020, 08:36:13 PM
Has there been any tunes that the gang has coated down and you just didn't see it coming?
I couldnt believe the scathe KC got for "give it up". Is it maybe a nostalgia thing from me, as it reminds me of being a littlun, but it's a great tune. I thought it would have been right up CMP street too.

That surprised me when I heard it too, it's great and I thought it was the sort of feel good, upbeat tune they would have loved
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Post by: edon on October 18, 2020, 09:02:30 PM
I was surprised Play To Win by Heaven 17 got slated to the extent it did by Parkes and Price in one of the earlier episodes, it's by no means their best work but never had much of a problem with it.
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Post by: SteveDave on October 21, 2020, 12:01:21 PM
I'm late to this episode but Simon Price is a proper twat. Never trust a goth.
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Post by: phantom_power on October 21, 2020, 02:33:03 PM
I think they are unfair to Enfield in two ways. Firstly I don't think Loadsamoney is attacking working class people. It is attacking a specific sort of person that just happens to be mainly working class. Secondly I don't think it is being dismissive of dance or hip hop. I am not sure how they could keep talking about William Orbit being involved and then saying that it was anti-dance. Surely the former suggests the latter isn't true.

Hard agree with what they said about Prefab Sprout though. I have recently just (re)discovered them and was quite scared that they were going to coat them down. I think Paddy McAloon is a bit of a genius and it was good to see that they thought so too.
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Post by: Brundle-Fly on October 21, 2020, 02:56:43 PM
I was surprised Play To Win by Heaven 17 got slated to the extent it did by Parkes and Price in one of the earlier episodes, it's by no means their best work but never had much of a problem with it.

Agree TF. It's one of my favourite singles of that era. I don't know how much of that is tinged with nostalgia though. I'll always associate it with watching the girl of my dreams at the local disco dressed in a purple leather jumpsuit and knee-high boots dancing to Play To Win in a fug of dry ice.
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Post by: SteveDave on October 22, 2020, 09:10:57 AM
HOW CAN YOU HATE "THE ANFIELD RAP"? Fucking idiots. Thank God for Al.
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Post by: Seedsy on October 22, 2020, 10:26:45 AM
HOW CAN YOU HATE "THE ANFIELD RAP"? Fucking idiots. Thank God for Al.

Totally to give it a joyless po faced critique is pointless.
Well done Al. This episode really did grind my gears.
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Post by: edon on October 22, 2020, 12:03:48 PM
Perhaps if it was the only pisstake record on and not one of three, they would've gone more easy on Anfield Rap? Or maybe that would've made it a bigger target. Either way a lot of the criticisms made about it weren't too valid either.

Price and Bee not liking it could be seen coming from a mile away though. Of course they like World In Motion more.
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Post by: Brundle-Fly on October 22, 2020, 01:52:10 PM
CMP or the music press in general, hardly ever approve of an outright 'played for laughs' comedy record though. Toast by Streetband is the closest but that's more novelty pop as opposed to the Barron Knights/ Morris & The Minors brigades' output. I can't speak for Star Turn On 45 Pints but there seems to be the assumption that parodists are always sneering at their targets but I reckon it's because these comedy acts just enjoy making pop parodies and want to remain current. I can't imagine The Evasions were trying to take down 'this awful new rapping music' in 1981 with The Whicker Rap.
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Post by: DrGreggles on October 22, 2020, 03:21:01 PM
HOW CAN YOU HATE "THE ANFIELD RAP"? Fucking idiots. Thank God for Al.

It did pretty much destroy the trad football song forever though.
I know they were all terrible, but... I'm not sure what my point is.
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Post by: OnlyRegisteredSoICanRead on October 22, 2020, 04:10:01 PM
I still liked some of the chat of course. The preamble and dissection of an NME issue from that month was interesting as always,

Oh, when's that, which episode about how far in? I'm finding it hard work to wade through the full 23 hours episodes of all this these days.
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Post by: kidsick5000 on October 22, 2020, 04:13:02 PM
On Saint & Greavsie, Jimmy Greaves called The Anfield Rap "rap with a capital C" - pretty risque joke for afternoon telly in 88.
After feeling hurt that he was insulting the mighty Reds, I also realised that it was the greatest joke I had heard.
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Post by: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on October 22, 2020, 04:39:40 PM
I think they are unfair to Enfield in two ways. Firstly I don't think Loadsamoney is attacking working class people. It is attacking a specific sort of person that just happens to be mainly working class. Secondly I don't think it is being dismissive of dance or hip hop. I am not sure how they could keep talking about William Orbit being involved and then saying that it was anti-dance. Surely the former suggests the latter isn't true.

They have a weird tendency on this show to say that the people who made any record they don't like were "anti-pop" or "anti-dance" or "anti-hop-hop." I mean, shit songs on the merits or not, they were hip hop songs that went to top 10 in the charts. Were hordes of anti-hop-hop gammons buying the records just to throw them on a bonfire somewhere?

I just put it down to a Music Critic thing.
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Post by: edon on October 22, 2020, 04:52:03 PM
Oh, when's that, which episode about how far in? I'm finding it hard work to wade through the full 23 hours episodes of all this these days.

Don't remember when they started doing the feature regularly, but during the first hour or so, all of the recent ones have had Al and co briefly picking apart an issue of the music press from the very same week or month as the TOTP episode. The 1988 one in particular covered an NME, although they've also gone over issues of Smash Hits, Record Mirror, and Melody Maker of course.
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Post by: SteveDave on October 23, 2020, 09:26:45 AM
On Saint & Greavsie, Jimmy Greaves called The Anfield Rap "rap with a capital C" - pretty risque joke for afternoon telly in 88.
After feeling hurt that he was insulting the mighty Reds, I also realised that it was the greatest joke I had heard.

I remember this too and I said "You're WRONG!" at the telly.
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Post by: Phil_A on October 23, 2020, 09:33:29 AM
They have a weird tendency on this show to say that the people who made any record they don't like were "anti-pop" or "anti-dance" or "anti-hop-hop." I mean, shit songs on the merits or not, they were hip hop songs that went to top 10 in the charts. Were hordes of anti-hop-hop gammons buying the records just to throw them on a bonfire somewhere?

I just put it down to a Music Critic thing.

They even accused Garbage of being anti-pop - regardless of whether you think they're any good or not, Garbage are very definitively a pop group! The reasoning being they acted a bit aloof and thought they were better than normal pop bands, because of course no "real" pop group have ever done that, have they.
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Post by: phantom_power on October 23, 2020, 11:30:31 AM
I think the criticism was that they wanted to have their cake and eat it; be underground/cool and pop/successful at the same time. This may well be true but is the sort of thing music journalists care about more than punters do
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Post by: edon on October 23, 2020, 12:30:49 PM
To be fair, a lot of the stuff they were quoting them as saying themselves seemed pretty bleak - stuff like taking pop and making it as awful sounding as possible, hating the Pet Shop Boys and Erasure, etc. And then the whole thing about not wanting to pay one of MM''s photographers for the reuse of his work either.
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Post by: OnlyRegisteredSoICanRead on October 23, 2020, 12:41:01 PM
Don't remember when they started doing the feature regularly, but during the first hour or so, all of the recent ones have had Al and co briefly picking apart an issue of the music press from the very same week or month as the TOTP episode. The 1988 one in particular covered an NME, although they've also gone over issues of Smash Hits, Record Mirror, and Melody Maker of course.

Found it, I think they're right about giving scores to albums, but the rest seemed to consist of reading out bits from the NME.

It was never the tightest edited show, but the dilution of the material in these multipart shows, it's not for me anymore.
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Post by: edon on October 23, 2020, 01:15:11 PM
Found it, I think they're right about giving scores to albums, but the rest seemed to consist of reading out bits from the NME.

It was never the tightest edited show, but the dilution of the material in these multipart shows, it's not for me anymore.
I thought there was a good bit of insight from Simon on the whole hip hop wars thing that was going on behind the scenes, which in the end pretty much precipitated the MM's demise after IPC conducted research which found black artists on the cover didn't sell as well, and they placed a veto on putting them there.
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Post by: Brundle-Fly on October 23, 2020, 01:30:46 PM
They have a weird tendency on this show to say that the people who made any record they don't like were "anti-hop-hop."

I thought they liked that Prefab Sprout song though?
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Post by: famethrowa on October 23, 2020, 01:55:58 PM
A Pipou sighting in the wild! Some herbert on my facebook has been posting "funny" album covers for the last 6 months, today's offering served up old friends Lou DePrick and his mate, and PIPOU looking rather restrained on the congas, keeping them upright at least.

(https://i.imgur.com/tWJdTrW.jpg)
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Post by: grainger on October 23, 2020, 07:43:54 PM
To be fair, a lot of the stuff they were quoting them as saying themselves seemed pretty bleak - stuff like taking pop and making it as awful sounding as possible,

If that was their aim, then they succeeded admirably.
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Post by: grainger on October 23, 2020, 07:53:09 PM
I remember them dissing a Howard Jones performance, partially on the grounds that he had multiple synths on stage (!?). Again, no matter what you think of him or his song, this criticism was pure bollocks. First of all, it was his live setup. He was (basically) a one-man show and he brought with him what he had when he played live. True, he didn't have to do that to mime, but then you might as well say that of pretty much any band that comes on.

Secondly, one of the panellists said that you didn't need multiple synths by this point - you could do it all on one synth. Factually, that reasoning was such utter bollocks that it's laughable.

It was all some anti-prog bollocks basically - one synth = new wave, more than one = prog. Whatever. They basically didn't like Jones (rightly or wrongly) and manufactured an argument to justify it, and in doing so exposed their lack of technical knowledge.

We all essentially manufacture arguments to justify our opinions, but the CM crew normally sound a lot more convincing than this. This just made me doubt all their other opinions.

I didn't get the same feelings with the latest episode that some of you did, but I can see how it's the same thing going on, really: spotting some utter bollocks and feeling that the curtain's been pulled back.
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Post by: grainger on October 23, 2020, 07:54:42 PM
Re. Two Man Sound.

I really like the America track, but their other stuff I found was horrible novelty bollocks. Sadly, because I was hoping for some more stuff in that vein to enjoy.
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Post by: grainger on October 23, 2020, 08:29:22 PM
I should add that I really like CM crew. They're some of the good guys, as it were, and I usually enjoy hearing their opinions even if I don't agree with them.
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Post by: Camp Tramp on October 23, 2020, 10:54:47 PM
I should add that I really like CM crew. They're some of the good guys, as it were, and I usually enjoy hearing their opinions even if I don't agree with them.

I sometimes disagree with them as well. For example, I like Head Over Heels by Tears For Fears and they coated it down.
Unlike many other shows, I get the impression that it is OK to disagree with them though. They don't claim to be the ultimate arbiters of taste (With a few exceptions like Oasis)
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Post by: Nice Relaxing Poo on October 23, 2020, 11:17:26 PM
I sometimes disagree with them as well. For example, I like Head Over Heels by Tears For Fears and they coated it down.
Unlike many other shows, I get the impression that it is OK to disagree with them though. They don't claim to be the ultimate arbiters of taste (With a few exceptions like Oasis)

Yeah Head Over Heels is fucking great. Tears For Fears may well have been "Lemon sucking cunts" as Taylor says but it does not mean they did not some fantastic tunes of which HOH is the best of them IMO.
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Post by: grainger on October 24, 2020, 12:08:40 AM
Quite a lot of Songs from the Big Chair is good. All of The Hurting is good.
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Post by: non capisco on October 24, 2020, 12:10:53 AM
Head Over Heels is a ridiculously good song. Chorus the size of Bollockdog's swingers.
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Post by: grainger on October 24, 2020, 12:18:42 AM
I prefer the verses. But then I often do.

Don't bore me, just use verses in your songs, thanks.
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Post by: jamiefairlie on October 24, 2020, 12:23:35 AM
TFF are not cool enough to be immune to their criticism. I'm a huge fan of The Hurting era but found their other stuff to be a tad MOR bland for my tastes. Inoffensive though and not deserving of the abuse they got.

Something that bugs me about this lot is the received wisdom that indie guitar music is something you should grow out of and leave behind after you take drugs and see the light that dance music is the true art of pop music. Stubbs might be the exception there but the others seem to share that. I often wonder what kind of Goth Price was/is, he certainly doesn't seem to like any of the music I associate with the genre.
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Post by: Crabwalk on October 24, 2020, 12:31:16 AM
He might not love all of this, but probably a pretty fair reflection.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/nKA2WQqm6cFWeZjM0weYD13Lx8oLmXKED7Z5QdC2HNLRfpqNGRJJaLAo4rLMMUNS_4ro0ldPCOdf1f2RS2ym_sQUIo9LEbms)
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Post by: Seedsy on October 25, 2020, 10:06:01 AM
TFF are not cool enough to be immune to their criticism. I'm a huge fan of The Hurting era but found their other stuff to be a tad MOR bland for my tastes. Inoffensive though and not deserving of the abuse they got.

Something that bugs me about this lot is the received wisdom that indie guitar music is something you should grow out of and leave behind after you take drugs and see the light that dance music is the true art of pop music. Stubbs might be the exception there but the others seem to share that. I often wonder what kind of Goth Price was/is, he certainly doesn't seem to like any of the music I associate with the genre.

Yeah, indie guitar music does get kicking from the gang.  I quite like it myself. Alot of dross, but it's my go to favourite genre of music if I'm being honest with myself.
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Post by: edon on October 25, 2020, 01:37:08 PM
Yeah, indie guitar music does get kicking from the gang.  I quite like it myself. Alot of dross, but it's my go to favourite genre of music if I'm being honest with myself.
I don't get the feeling that they all believe you should grow out of 'indie' music - lots of it probably doesn't hold up well in their minds, but I think at least some of the MM lot probably could give you many examples of it that they absolutely love. I know Neil adored stuff like Throwing Muses, Disco Inferno and Come in the 90s at the same time as your Wu-Tang Clans and Mobb Deeps, as he's always written about them very favourably.
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Post by: OnlyRegisteredSoICanRead on October 26, 2020, 01:16:14 PM
Wouldn't say Disco Inferno were a typical Indie guitar group.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7Mzd0XwaLU
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Post by: edon on October 26, 2020, 03:44:52 PM
Fair point, but before DI started using samples they pretty much were that, or post punk at the very least.
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Post by: Brundle-Fly on October 26, 2020, 06:06:56 PM
In the last episode, both Al and Simon were pretty candid that they were quite green when it came to house music in the eighties. I could dine out that I was taking E and attending Boy's Own raves near my hometown back then but truth be told, I was mainly listening to sixties psychedelia compilations and drowning in cheap lager.

This pretty much sums up my 1988

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14tCjZzQ7ow
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Post by: edon on October 26, 2020, 06:41:58 PM
Simon I think said he did like some examples of it, particularly the 808 State and Guy Called Gerald side of things in 1988-89, but just listened to it all at home alongside all the goth stuff. Al meanwhile seems to have been fully immersed in hip hop from about 1986 to the next decade with little attention to much else.
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Post by: OnlyRegisteredSoICanRead on October 27, 2020, 11:01:38 AM
Fair point, but before DI started using samples they pretty much were that, or post punk at the very least.

Just dug out the first album (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_6tCf2eWUE), it is a bit The Durutti Column but even by '92  Summer's Last Stand  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_6tCf2eWUE) they'd got a lot more interesting, texturally that is, I guess in someway the actual songs are similar, it's all about the beats and sounds by 92 innit?

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Post by: Better Midlands on October 27, 2020, 11:28:39 AM
attending Boy's Own raves near my hometown back then

East Grinstead?
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Post by: Satchmo Distel on October 28, 2020, 10:02:00 PM
re. Belinda Carlisle: I saw the reformed Go-Gos play at Disney in Orlando (their pension tour, as it were) a few years ago, and Belinda Carlisle was the only one whose heart seemed to be in it. I think she still enjoyed performing those songs in a way the others had stopped doing.
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Post by: DrGreggles on October 28, 2020, 10:28:51 PM
Not being in a coke-fuelled haze these days might help her appreciate it more.
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Post by: DrGreggles on October 31, 2020, 07:32:24 AM
(https://im6.ezgif.com/tmp/ezgif-6-764b17dd104c.gif)

*NOT A NEW EPISODE*
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Post by: edon on November 07, 2020, 09:38:57 PM
The moment I'm sure at least some have been waiting for has come

(https://i.ibb.co/Kq2BC91/output-onlinepngtools.png) (https://imgbb.com/)
 (https://imgbb.com/)

https://twitter.com/ChartMusicTOTP/status/1325168400600092672?s=20
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Post by: dr beat on November 10, 2020, 03:28:37 PM
Watch the skies High Flying Cats, Al's just sent a message on Patreon.

CMP54 'soon'...
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Post by: DrGreggles on November 10, 2020, 03:36:52 PM
Al:

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Fuck it, I AM saying it's the longest ever
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Post by: edon on November 11, 2020, 01:29:58 PM
Fingers crossed for a 70s episode after two post-84 ones in a row now.
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Post by: Johnboy on November 11, 2020, 05:00:14 PM
Taylor and Neil late '70s i'm guessing
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Post by: dr beat on November 11, 2020, 05:13:59 PM
Yeah I'd go with that lineup - maybe 1977?
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Post by: non capisco on November 11, 2020, 06:14:48 PM
Relistened to the preamble section of 'Soul Rail Replacement Service' earlier today so bang up for another Taylor and Neil episode. Forgot just how funny the Bollockdog story is. "By the LOOK on its FACE?!!"

 
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Post by: Epic Bisto on November 11, 2020, 06:22:25 PM
"He was smiling...he was one of those happy dogs..." - relistening to that episode recently, I did a proper guffaw in public when Bollockdog waddles into view wearing a pair of Y-fronts.

Bring on another 70s episode.  It may be Sarney Time!
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Post by: non capisco on November 11, 2020, 07:15:16 PM
Just landed on Patreon, Taylor and Neil, 1978, six hours and eleven minutes! Get the fuck in!
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Post by: The Roofdog on November 11, 2020, 07:17:30 PM
How come the file's only 298MB? IS AL COMPROMISING ON AUDIO QUALITY
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Post by: DrGreggles on November 11, 2020, 07:21:22 PM
Better than (Geoff) Sex!
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Post by: DrGreggles on November 11, 2020, 07:22:39 PM
How come the file's only 298MB? IS AL COMPROMISING ON AUDIO QUALITY

Al:
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Right then, this has taken me a day and a half to sort out, due to its massiveness - have had to try all sorts of things to get it to fit, and I've just noticed how low the bitrate is - have accidentally exported a lower version than usual. So consider this as a flexidisc preview for now, and I'll try to sort out a better version... 
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Post by: Epic Bisto on November 11, 2020, 08:56:31 PM
Neil? Tay-Tay? Al? The dawn of the Eighventies? GET IN!!!
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Post by: Satchmo Distel on November 11, 2020, 09:36:35 PM
"dripping like a broken freezer"
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Post by: dr beat on November 11, 2020, 10:51:52 PM
Everett True and Simon Price fighting over who is the bigger Dexys fan
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Post by: dr beat on November 11, 2020, 10:53:57 PM
I want a Rocky final fight sequence superimposed with the heads of the relevant parties on my Teams calendar by 10am tomorrow pls.

Ta
Mark Sutherland
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on November 11, 2020, 11:17:47 PM
Neil? Tay-Tay? Al? The dawn of the Eighventies? GET IN!!!

YES!!!
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Post by: non capisco on November 11, 2020, 11:26:52 PM
I'm going to savour this one over the week but the preamble already had me laughing like a drain. One of Al's brilliant off the cuff similes has already been quoted. Love the combination of these three. 
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Post by: edon on November 12, 2020, 12:58:47 AM
Fucking yes. Saving a proper listen until the weekend but Taylor and Neil always pull the most interesting episodes out of their arses. Looking at that show's running order there's at least one act in there I'd been hoping one of them would get to cover at some point, so that should be particularly good. Joy Sarney, sadly, is not in the vicinity. One day we will get there.

"He was smiling...he was one of those happy dogs..." - relistening to that episode recently, I did a proper guffaw in public when Bollockdog waddles into view wearing a pair of Y-fronts.

It was Taylor's description of the "my computing teacher shags his dog in his spare room" incident that got me in that one. Almost sounded too good to be true, but the level of detail he told it in was incredible.
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on November 12, 2020, 01:30:20 AM
Tony Blackburn: "The thinking man's dead air."

I love how, even after all this time, they can still come up with pithy descriptions of hosts they've discussed so many times before.
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on November 12, 2020, 01:46:28 AM
Their analysis of disco-era Bee Gees is yet another great Chart Music moment. Passionate, insightful, funny, all the adjectives.
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on November 12, 2020, 03:54:03 AM
Already one of my favourite episodes. Al, Neil and Taylor at their bestest.
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Post by: HAVANAGILA on November 12, 2020, 08:42:55 AM
Neil, Taylor and Al have such a great dynamic - listening to them crack each other up provides so many warm and funny moments. Only a couple of hours in but I was surprised to find the gig listings readout absolutely destroyed me - the Panties discussion was funny enough, but the corpsing at Fred Rickshaw's Hot Goolies straight after had me roaring, with David Price And The Galactic Symposium at The Packhorse in Leeds providing the knockout punch.

So grateful to have finally stumped up for the full five dollars too - nice to have my name read out, and those extra two days of waiting for the three dollar episode drop were proving tortuous!
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Post by: JohnnyYen on November 12, 2020, 09:17:07 AM
Neil and Taylor, the Dream Team! Might save it for the weekend and do the CM drinking game - shot every time NK says "in a sense", swig every time TP tells someone to Get Fucked, down a pint for every mention of Nottingham.
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Post by: edon on November 12, 2020, 09:50:28 AM
When Team ATVland are on form they really do make for some of the best moments of CM. Don't know if it's cause of that Midlands kinship or the combination of both Taylor and Neil's particularly exemplary knowledge of culture and Al's brilliance in commandeering the podcast, but they're bloody great.
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Post by: JohnnyYen on November 12, 2020, 10:49:00 AM
What date is this one? My Patreon fucked up again so I won't be getting it for a day or two
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Post by: rilk on November 12, 2020, 12:24:08 PM
Everett True and Simon Price fighting over who is the bigger Dexys fan

Here's Everett True's account of said incident  https://www.thestranger.com/seattle/dexys-midnight-runners/Content?oid=962   (https://www.thestranger.com/seattle/dexys-midnight-runners/Content?oid=962)
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Post by: dr beat on November 12, 2020, 12:35:46 PM
What date is this one? My Patreon fucked up again so I won't be getting it for a day or two

May 25th 1978

Also...

'Gammon and Spinach'
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Post by: non capisco on November 12, 2020, 02:17:10 PM
Here's Everett True's account of said incident  https://www.thestranger.com/seattle/dexys-midnight-runners/Content?oid=962   (https://www.thestranger.com/seattle/dexys-midnight-runners/Content?oid=962)

Ha ha, "I punched out a fellow music critic" is hardly how it's remembered by the CM crew.
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Post by: Satchmo Distel on November 12, 2020, 04:32:43 PM
There was no episode the week after this due to it clashing with the World Cup opening game. I wonder how often a week was missed in the show's history (excluding Xmas/New Year) and if acts on the 1.6.78 chart missed out on their only chance of appearing on the programme.
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Post by: boki on November 12, 2020, 05:00:03 PM
I was exactly four years and one week old when this episode aired.  It's unlikely that I watched it.
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Post by: Natnar on November 12, 2020, 09:20:48 PM
I thought Al might be doing 1978 for the xmas episode this year since he did 76 in 2018 and 77 last year but i guess he won't be now.
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on November 12, 2020, 11:20:06 PM
I will never tire of the running joke of Al introducing football teams in the same way he introduces pop artists. "Scotland... were very much an albums act."
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Post by: DrGreggles on November 12, 2020, 11:53:10 PM
Cracking episode.
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on November 13, 2020, 12:04:10 AM
Cracking episode.

And the episode they were reviewing was pretty great too*, which tends to make a difference. As much fun as it is to hear them coating down shite, the best episodes are those in which they're also given the opportunity to enthuse about stuff. This episode struck the ideal balance.

*
Black Sabbath
Blondie
Boney M
Ian Dury & The Blockheads
Yvonne Elliman
Heatwave
Rod Stewart
Tavares
Thin Lizzy

That's quite a line-up.
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Post by: Epic Bisto on November 13, 2020, 11:29:50 AM
Agreed.  It was a top notch TOTP and it was lovely to hear the praise for Lizzy and The Sabs, but even a fool would admit the Eurovision 1978 capsule reviews and James Gulloway pasting were fucking hilarious.  Also they were right, A Ba Na Bi will get stuck in your head.
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Post by: Crabwalk on November 13, 2020, 04:02:01 PM
Fantastic episode. The highlight for me was when the sublime intro to 'What a Waste' drifted in and I knew I was in for some well-deserved rhapsodising over Ian Dury.

What a coda to the episode too. An absolute treat.
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Post by: edon on November 13, 2020, 05:49:19 PM
The highlight for me was when the sublime intro to 'What a Waste' drifted in and I knew I was in for some well-deserved rhapsodising over Ian Dury.

Absolutely. I remember it was either Neil or Taylor who briefly mentioned him favourably in one of the previous recent episodes, and it's those off the cuff mentions of other acts yet to be covered and praised that get me hoping CMP continue for a long time to come. Al's right to think they've only just begun.
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Post by: non capisco on November 13, 2020, 06:10:56 PM
If there actually is ever a live episode of Chart Music (which Al appears to be seriously considering post-COVID going by his Twitter) what's the percentage of the audience that will be us lot? It'll be like that Sparks gig that was meant to happen last month that the entirety of Oscillations regulars seemed to be going to.

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Post by: Rizla on November 13, 2020, 06:17:43 PM
Superb episode, and so great to listen to all the 1978 world cup chat last night after the Scotland game, amazing timing there.
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Post by: Satchmo Distel on November 13, 2020, 06:20:28 PM
I will never tire of the running joke of Al introducing football teams in the same way he introduces pop artists. "Scotland... were very much an albums act."

Very oddly, the squad's album got to No. 3 in 1974* but the single only made #20. 'We Have A Dream', 1982, was their only Top 10 single, and that only reached #5.

*Track listing

A1   –Scotland World Cup Squad   Scotland, Scotland   
A2   –Junior Campbell   Hallelujah Freedom
Written-By – Junior Campbell
A3   –Scotland World Cup Squad   Lend A Helping Hand   
A4   –Lulu   Shout
Written-By – O'Kelly Isley, Ronald Isley, Rudolph Isley
A5   –Scotland World Cup Squad   Back Home   
B1   –Scotland World Cup Squad   Easy, Easy   
B2   –J.S.D. Band   Ormond's Favourite / World Cup Reel
Written-By – C. Fleming*, D. Coffield*
B3   –Gallagher & Lyle   When I'm Dead And Gone
Written-By – B. Gallagher/G. Lyle*
B4   –Scotland World Cup Squad   Bremner's Volunteers   
B5   –Middle Of The Road   Chirpy Chirpy Cheep Cheep
Written-By – Cassia*, Stott*
B6   –Bay City Rollers   Remember (Sha La La La)   
B7   –Scotland World Cup Squad   Scotland The Brave
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Post by: non capisco on November 13, 2020, 06:36:33 PM
What a coda to the episode too. An absolute treat.

Ha ha, just got to it! That's me with ROOOOOOCK EXPERT DAVID STUUU-U-UUBBS! in my head all weekend, then.
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Post by: Egyptian Feast on November 13, 2020, 08:45:44 PM
I once worked with a bloke called James Henderson. He was a cunt.
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Post by: shiftwork2 on November 13, 2020, 10:33:26 PM
An absolute cracker, into my top five CMP episodes
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Post by: non capisco on November 13, 2020, 11:03:01 PM
"I'll give you 200 perforations, motherfucker!"
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on November 13, 2020, 11:42:35 PM
"James Galway and his flute of V.D."
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Post by: dr beat on November 14, 2020, 02:45:50 AM
Congratulations Scotland

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32wDFCM7iSI


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Post by: SteveDave on November 14, 2020, 05:38:24 PM
I laughed more at Taylor Parkes in the opening 7 minutes of this episode than anything else in the last few months. Him saying his hair was "Series 3 of Monty Python" created the perfect visual image.
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Post by: Camp Tramp on November 14, 2020, 06:35:17 PM
I loved the Coatdown of Cilla Black, especially the comment about her being a collective punishment for being British.
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Post by: boki on November 15, 2020, 09:44:16 AM
On a vaguely CM-adjacent note, Leee John is the guest on the latest episode of Off The Beat & Track (https://pca.st/episode/267d0087-b31b-4050-9ee4-a6109a0ac935)
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Post by: edon on November 15, 2020, 07:04:36 PM
Apparently there's been some issues with the sound editing of the three available parts for the non-Patreon Crazed Youngsters, though according to Al on Twitter its all fixed now.
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Post by: SteveDave on November 16, 2020, 02:04:24 PM
I hope Neil was reprimanded for claiming that "(I'm Always Touched By Your) Presence Dear" was on "Parallel Lines"
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Post by: Neomod on November 16, 2020, 02:14:26 PM
Apparently there's been some issues with the sound editing of the three available parts for the non-Patreon Crazed Youngsters, though according to Al on Twitter its all fixed now.

nah they were fine. Not like the time great big owl ads would superimpose themselves over the top of the panel talking.

I feel sorry that Patreon bods miss out on the truly terrible ads for that brit-crim wankathon podcast. "Tell me of some of the things you done" "I kicked a nonce in the balls when I was 5"

Edit. On part 3 and there does seem to be an edit jump after the Thin Lizzy discussion.
   
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Post by: daf on November 16, 2020, 03:11:52 PM
They all sound bloody awful bargepole material - it's like having Dave Clark pop up during The White album.
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Post by: SteveDave on November 16, 2020, 06:24:53 PM
It’s thanks to this edition that I finally understand what Les McQueen was talking about when he sang “Ah Barney Bee Ah Barney Bear”
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Post by: daf on November 16, 2020, 06:56:56 PM
Edit. On part 3 and there does seem to be an edit jump after the Thin Lizzy discussion.

Seems fine on the one I downloaded from the Chart Music website (https://chartmusiccouk.wordpress.com/) (rather than the patreon page) : fades out during the post Rosalie applause, and then back in again after the adverts for Blackburn's outro - or is the edit jump somewhere else?
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Post by: Neomod on November 16, 2020, 09:40:29 PM
Seems fine on the one I downloaded from the Chart Music website (https://chartmusiccouk.wordpress.com/) (rather than the patreon page) : fades out during the post Rosalie applause, and then back in again after the adverts for Blackburn's outro - or is the edit jump somewhere else?

Yeah I deleted, downloaded again and it was fine. I think it was where an ad was supposed to be placed but was missing.

That World Cup talk brought back memories and so I checked my archive[1] and found these pertinent documents..

(https://i.imgur.com/8y28RIK.jpg)

Bottom two are Paninis and a superior product but that Scoop cover is the best. Not so sure about their flag research though.

(https://i.imgur.com/j72D4NL.jpg)

My mum went to visit my Auntie in L.A. in 78 and bought my sister's the Grease soundtrack. The double LP with all the sha na na stuff as well. I got a Han Solo laser pistol not available in the UK. I think I know who was winning.
 1. the loft
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Post by: dr beat on November 17, 2020, 09:32:36 PM
Yeah probably one of my favourite CMP episodes, helped by an absolutely incredible TOTP line-up. 

I agree with Al, there is loads to like on the Saturday Night Fever album beyond Stayin Alive.  That album got regular play in our house as a kid but Yvonne Ellerman and Tavares got many more spins than the Gibb Bros.

Alongside stuff like Walter Murphy you've also got 'K-Jee' by MFSB which is sublime and the 7:30 full version of Disco Inferno which locks itself stubbornly and relentlessly into the bass groove, building up the tension before finally, right at the end, releasing the chorus.  Great version to DJ with.
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Post by: grainger on November 17, 2020, 11:32:49 PM
The description of Cilla's "storing food for the winter" face had me laughing for ages.
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Post by: jamiefairlie on November 18, 2020, 05:37:04 AM
Fantastic episode. This really is the A-team lineup isn't it? Taylor has such a wonderful rhythm and flow to his rants, almost musical and he is so precise with his selection of words and imagery. I could have had a few more hours of this.
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Post by: grainger on November 18, 2020, 11:57:53 AM
Yeah, I love Taylor's rants. He's always a pleasure to listen to, and I like his world-weary - without being reactionary - dismay at the modern world.
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Post by: shiftwork2 on November 18, 2020, 01:43:16 PM
I completely agree.  He's endearing rather than wearying.  The stuntman career change recommendation had me in bits (despite it being partly based on him supposedly having nothing to live for).
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Post by: daf on November 18, 2020, 01:57:48 PM
This really is the A-team lineup isn't it?

I love it when a podcast comes together!
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Post by: Cottonon on November 20, 2020, 09:05:38 AM
Not finished this yet but Taylors early description of Blackburn as the thinking mans dead air got a huge laugh from me. He always delivers something so perfectly economical.

The idea of going to a live episode of CM, ideally where they screen the episode first, is impossibly exciting.
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Post by: gilbertharding on November 20, 2020, 12:29:22 PM
"Dusty Shelbyville" was a nice throwaway from a few podcasts back.


I'm re-listening to CM#6, and it's amazing how quiet and restrained it all is compared to the chaos of recent episodes. And it's only 2h25m long!
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Post by: Natnar on November 20, 2020, 12:41:25 PM
IT'S MA BAKER NOT MA BARKER LADS!!!
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Post by: shiftwork2 on November 20, 2020, 11:52:04 PM
Pop Crazed Youngsters might be interested in Dr Greggles's Lockdown Pub Pop Quiz tomorrow.  It's slightly less effin hard than Here Comes Quizzm and it comes out on time.  Mid chart placing in Oscillations.  See ya there
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Post by: Brundle-Fly on November 21, 2020, 12:02:50 AM
Absolutely brilliant episode.

P.S. The only error I spotted was Neil getting I'm A Believer mixed up with Daydream Believer when referring to Robert Wyatt's TOTP appearance.

In fact. let's enjoy that again now?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5hPENM6h78
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Post by: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on November 21, 2020, 12:11:15 AM
Good episode slightly tarnished by their inexplicable failure to recognize that "Rivers of Babylon" is one of the best #1s they've ever had on the podcast.
Title: Re: Chart Music Podcast 2 (Man Sound) - ITS PIPOU TIME!
Post by: Johnboy on November 23, 2020, 02:28:53 PM
loved hearing Neil's praise of Grease - I too was happy to have it juggernaut over me as a kid
Title: Re: Chart Music Podcast 2 (Man Sound) - ITS PIPOU TIME!
Post by: dr beat on December 10, 2020, 01:17:11 AM
Ok so far I'm calling it for 23rd December 1982

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Post by: dr beat on December 10, 2020, 01:26:49 AM
Join me people. *You will* *You won't!*
Title: Re: Chart Music Podcast 2 (Man Sound) - ITS PIPOU TIME!
Post by: dr beat on December 10, 2020, 01:34:53 AM
To Chart Music Podcast: Sarah Bee, David Stubbs, Taylor Parkes, Simon Price, Neil Kulkarni, and, of course, Al Needham.  From us - to all of you - from CaB! Merry Xmas and a Happy New Year!!!

Thank you for so much!

We wish you all the very best, lets keep talking on the other side 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8C2dglFGlL8
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Post by: DrGreggles on December 10, 2020, 07:16:04 AM
Ok so far I'm calling it for 23rd December 1982

Haven't they done a normal episode followed shortly afterwards with an Xmas episode for the last couple of Decembers?

That's what I want under my tree right now please.
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Post by: Neomod on December 10, 2020, 10:45:51 AM
Ok so far I'm calling it for 23rd December 1982

I hope not. That's quite a mediocre episode with no real highs or lows to coat down/get passionate about. I'm sure I remember them talking about Heartbreak Avenue already or did I dream it.
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Post by: SteveDave on December 10, 2020, 10:47:46 AM
Whatever Christmas episode they did in December 2017 was the one that finally hooked me into this world. I was waiting to be operated on on the 30th of December and I remember having to suppress my laughter at Al's introduction to Little Jimmy Osmond "THIS CUNT!"
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Post by: Uncle TechTip on December 10, 2020, 11:15:24 AM
To Chart Music Podcast: Sarah Bee, David Stubbs, Taylor Parkes, Simon Price, Neil Kulkarni, and, of course, Al Needham.  From us - to all of you - from CaB! Merry Xmas and a Happy New Year!!!

Thank you for so much!

We wish you all the very best, lets keep talking on the other side 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8C2dglFGlL8

What's this about, have i missed something?
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Post by: edon on December 10, 2020, 02:58:31 PM
I hope not. That's quite a mediocre episode with no real highs or lows to coat down/get passionate about. I'm sure I remember them talking about Heartbreak Avenue already or did I dream it.
Heartache Avenue has been mentioned favourably in passing at least once or twice, but I don't think they've actually covered it.

As much as it'd be good to hear them rhapsodising proper about that song, it kind of is the one small highlight of that weak episode, and they only did 1982 last in March, so I reckon they're going to pick an 80s Christmas show from a year that hasn't been covered quite so recently.

Either way though, Merry Christmas to Al and all else of course
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Post by: Brundle-Fly on December 10, 2020, 03:01:35 PM
To Chart Music Podcast: Sarah Bee, David Stubbs, Taylor Parkes, Simon Price, Neil Kulkarni, and, of course, Al Needham.  From us - to all of you - from CaB! Merry Xmas and a Happy New Year!!!

Thank you for so much!

We wish you all the very best, lets keep talking on the other side 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8C2dglFGlL8

*raises a polystyrene cup of mulled wine.

Hear hear!
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Post by: dr beat on December 10, 2020, 03:04:58 PM
Sorry was getting my festive on last night, I did enjoy that episode of ToTP though.
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Post by: non capisco on December 10, 2020, 03:27:10 PM
Last year's Christmas episode, where Taylor got all existential about how sexy he found that Legs and Co routine where they're dressed as reindeer, was one of my favourites. 
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Post by: boki on December 10, 2020, 04:12:06 PM
It'd be just Taylor's luck for him to become a Furry against his will.
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Post by: Rizla on December 10, 2020, 04:25:23 PM
Last year's Christmas episode, where Taylor got all existential about how sexy he found that Legs and Co routine where they're dressed as reindeer, was one of my favourites.
Indeed, that was one of the most insightful musings on the mechanisms of desire and sexuality I've ever come across[1].
 1. phwoooar
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Post by: shiftwork2 on December 10, 2020, 08:39:48 PM
Haven't they done a normal episode followed shortly afterwards with an Xmas episode for the last couple of Decembers?

That's what I want under my tree right now please.

Yeah.  For all that Al professes to hate Christmas he really pulls out the stops in December.  I'm vainly hoping for Christmas Day '72, although we (Daf) may have already shown that to be unlikely earlier in the thread.  I can dream.
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Post by: edon on December 10, 2020, 09:34:34 PM
Xmas 72 does have two of the Yewtree lot stinking the place up (and it's not Savile and DLT either), but here's hoping they do go for it. As for the other one I'm thinking it'll be in the 84-86 vicinity, or perhaps an early 90s edition.
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Post by: JohnnyYen on December 14, 2020, 11:18:02 AM
There is definitely a glitch in the simulation.

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2020/nov/22/tayla-parx-coping-mechanisms-review-ariana-grande
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Post by: Satchmo Distel on December 15, 2020, 07:50:58 PM
Patreon message by Al suggests the December episode may drop closer to New Year's Eve than Xmas Eve. Only 2% of the show notes have been done so far and the recording has not been done yet.
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Post by: Bernice on December 15, 2020, 08:58:42 PM
That's fine. A lovely festive egg for the Christmas gooch.
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Post by: Egyptian Feast on December 15, 2020, 09:08:47 PM
Patreon message by Al suggests the December episode may drop closer to New Year's Eve than Xmas Eve. Only 2% of the show notes have been done so far and the recording has not been done yet.

There will be one before that to tide us over at least. I finally finished catching up with the pre-COVID episodes the other day and now it feels like something key is missing in my life. I've even listened to another podcast (Alexei Sayle), but it barely touched the sides.
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Post by: edon on December 16, 2020, 01:53:39 AM
For anyone wanting to fill the CMP void with something Pop-Crazed, there is of course The Giddy Carousel of Pop (the decent Smash Hits magazine podcast which I'm sure has been mentioned both here and by Al himself at some point), and the Bigmouth episode that both Simon and David appeared on to discuss TOTP a few years ago. Not the very same of course but good further listening.
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Post by: DrGreggles on December 16, 2020, 12:46:44 PM
Attention Cats!
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Post by: Camp Tramp on December 16, 2020, 01:10:52 PM
It is a good time to be a cat.
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Post by: dr beat on December 16, 2020, 01:24:41 PM
bloody hell I did call it!
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Post by: JohnnyYen on December 16, 2020, 01:30:36 PM
Dr Beat was on the money. Kulk and RAAAAAAAAWK EXPERT, DAVID STUBBS
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Post by: Natnar on December 16, 2020, 01:41:33 PM
Dr Beat was on the money. Kulk and RAAAAAAAAWK EXPERT, DAVID STUBBS
Blimey have we finally got a Kulkani/Stubbs pairing for the first time?
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Post by: Neomod on December 16, 2020, 02:10:01 PM
So no festive 'all the gang are here' special then.

Humbug.
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Post by: shiftwork2 on December 16, 2020, 02:51:09 PM
Ok so far I'm calling it for 23rd December 1982

Er...how the fuck did you manage that?  Inside job!
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Post by: Johnboy on December 16, 2020, 03:24:36 PM
Two Neils in a row, is that also a first?
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Post by: edon on December 16, 2020, 04:41:28 PM
Er...how the fuck did you manage that?  Inside job!

Christ. The Chart Music Oracle.

I was kind of hoping Kulkarni and Stubbs would get to do a really good 82 episode at some point with the great side of that year shown, but ho-hum. If little else the desecration of the Zoo twats in the Christmas one will be decent to hear.
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Post by: DrGreggles on December 16, 2020, 07:02:18 PM
One of the best chats about a #1 single on any CM so far.
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Post by: Beep Cleep Chimney on December 16, 2020, 07:27:38 PM
Stubbs nowhere near as annoying on this episode as he was on his last one.
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Post by: beanheadmcginty on December 16, 2020, 07:46:47 PM
Tut tut. Al got his onomatopoeic mixed up with his alliterative there.

Also felt that David's "fuck a duck" comment deserved more recognition.
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Post by: Campbell Soupe on December 16, 2020, 09:52:36 PM
Is kulkarni recording in his khazi?
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Post by: bigfatheart on December 16, 2020, 10:54:01 PM
Also felt that David's "fuck a duck" comment deserved more recognition.

Felt that REDS (as all the cool kids are calling him) was on good form throughout.

Al's Shakey introduction had me howling.
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Post by: shiftwork2 on December 17, 2020, 12:19:15 AM
Is kulkarni recording in his khazi?

It's like Chart Music #2 all over again!
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Post by: dr beat on December 17, 2020, 12:01:46 PM
Quote
Quote from: dr beat on December 10, 2020, 01:17:11 AM
Ok so far I'm calling it for 23rd December 1982

Er...how the fuck did you manage that?  Inside job!

It may or may not surprise you that I was somewhat 'refreshed' the other night and, as is my wont sometimes, I vanished down a ToTP Youtube rabbit hole.  Stumbled across this episode entirely by chance (or by algorithms).  In the cold light of day, yes now I can see its a tawdry line-up of artistes, but my thinking at the time was that it would nonetheless make for a great CMP discussion.
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Post by: buzby on December 17, 2020, 02:31:16 PM
Only on part 1 so far, but enjoying it a lot more than the last couple. I agree that Stubbsy is on form in this episode so far (the reading of the last few pages of his comedy book was hilarious).

However - point of order, Al. M&Ms had nothing to do with ET. Although they appeared in the original script and it's novelisation, Mars turned down Spielberg's approach for product placement and so he went to Hersheys, who jumped at the chance to promote their Reeses Pieces.

Even if it had been M&Ms, the analogy of it being Revels for the UK version is off. Mars' Treets were the UK equivalent of M&Ms and were discontinued when M&Ms were launched in the UK in late 1988 (as mentioned in this thread (https://www.cookdandbombd.co.uk/forums/index.php/topic,78439.msg4117795.html#msg4117795) from earlier in the year), long after ET came out.
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Post by: beanheadmcginty on December 17, 2020, 03:44:33 PM
Yeah but who remembers Mars Treets (apart from you obviously)?
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Post by: Satchmo Distel on December 17, 2020, 04:18:41 PM
I can't remember ever seeing Pat Sharp present TOTP but apparently he did a few in 1982-83 and a spot on the last ever one.

(It seems that on 2.12.82 Peter Powell "introduced" Sharp, Janice Long (his later girlfriend) and Gary Davies https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0730594/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cl_i653; the Top of the Pops on BBC Four thread also confirms this.)
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Post by: DrGreggles on December 17, 2020, 04:21:57 PM
I can't remember ever seeing Pat Sharp present TOTP but apparently he did six in 1982-83 and a spot on the last ever one.

He was rotten.
Seemed dead inside every time he wasn't talking.
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Post by: justin_bennett on December 17, 2020, 05:21:02 PM
I'm up to Imagination so far and it's had me howling while walking around the park.  Agree with the above Stubbs comment - he is much more on form so far.  Early Xmas pressie - just what the good doctor ordered...
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Post by: JohnnyYen on December 17, 2020, 05:28:16 PM
Apparently Pat Sharp's got a book out and it's incredible. Just flat-out barefaced enormous lying throughout.
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Post by: Epic Bisto on December 17, 2020, 06:22:29 PM
I didn't have high hopes for this episode, but it was wonderful.  The Grandmaster Flash bidet confusion and the discussion of Renne & Renato's posse cut was exemplary and Stubbs in particular was brilliant (his comedy book epilogue in particular)

Has anyone checked out the easter egg yet? The Pigwanker General's ET impersonation almost made me keel over in hysterics
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Post by: Epic Bisto on December 17, 2020, 06:25:51 PM
I can't remember ever seeing Pat Sharp present TOTP but apparently he did a few in 1982-83 and a spot on the last ever one.


Oh, if only Pat Sharp & Andy Peebles teamed up to host an episode.  One can only imagine the full-on Taylorpocalypse that would ensue if they covered that one.
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Post by: Crabwalk on December 17, 2020, 11:53:23 PM
What the hell was up with Smash Hits readers in ‘82? I mean, voting beast-tier banger ‘Wot’ by Captain Sensible worst song???
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Post by: famethrowa on December 18, 2020, 01:20:42 AM
What the hell was up with Smash Hits readers in ‘82? I mean, voting beast-tier banger ‘Wot’ by Captain Sensible worst song???

Yeah come on. But, I love "the Captain" and I think he's great, but I turned on the car radio the other day and Wot was playing, but from about halfway through. And it got kind of annoying, it was a really long repetitive playout. I was pleased that the CM chaps (sort of) acknowledged Captain as a pioneer of rap though, in a previous episode.
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Post by: Bobby Treetops on December 18, 2020, 08:32:15 AM
"Ready, Steady, Cunt"
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Post by: non capisco on December 18, 2020, 11:05:38 AM
ROCK EXPERT DAVID STU-U-UBBS' imaginary letter to his 'son' Renato was the highlight for me. Another great episode. Glad 'Heartache Avenue' got a relatively warm reception, love that record.
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Post by: gilbertharding on December 18, 2020, 01:35:21 PM
He was rotten.
Seemed dead inside every time he wasn't talking.

If Dafposter was feeling very kind, he could probably link to the CaB TotP thread posts where Shat Parp is discussed. I can remember him being *utterly* useless at it, as you have said.
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on December 18, 2020, 03:47:41 PM
Another thumbs up for REDS in that episode, he was very funny. And not just because of his scripted material, he was on top form throughout.
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Post by: daf on December 18, 2020, 04:17:12 PM
If Dafposter was feeling very kind, he could probably link to the CaB TotP thread posts where Shat Parp is discussed. I can remember him being *utterly* useless at it, as you have said.

Think this is the lot -
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
2 December 1982 (https://www.cookdandbombd.co.uk/forums/index.php/topic,31884.msg3014956.html#msg3014956) : Peter Powell, Gary Davies, Janice Long & Pat Sharp
30 December 1982 (https://www.cookdandbombd.co.uk/forums/index.php/topic,31884.msg3020678.html#msg3020678) : Jimmy Savile, Pat Sharp, Janice Long & Gary Davies (Live)
10 February 1983 (https://www.cookdandbombd.co.uk/forums/index.php/topic,31884.msg3046957.html#msg3046957) : Janice Long & Pat Sharp
26 May 1983 (https://www.cookdandbombd.co.uk/forums/index.php/topic,31884.msg3078269.html#msg3078269) : Peter Powell & Pat Sharp
2 July 1983 (https://www.cookdandbombd.co.uk/forums/index.php/topic,31884.msg3094729.html#msg3094729) : Jimmy Savile & Pat Sharp
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

The Pat chat is only in a couple - (following 10 February 1983 & 26 May 1983) - but I thought I'd include all of his appearances anyway.
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Post by: Dusty Substance on December 20, 2020, 01:23:44 PM


Also felt that David's "fuck a duck" comment deserved more recognition.

I came to this thread to say the very same thing.
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Post by: edon on December 20, 2020, 01:39:25 PM
Loving the Parappa The Rapper references by Al in the non-Patreon Crazed Youngster parts as well

Been pointed out to them on Twitter that they failed to mention Simon Groom and Peter Duncan lurking in the opening shot of the Shaky performance - amazingly, they are there:

https://twitter.com/ChartMusicTOTP/status/1340284839497445376?s=20
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Post by: SteveDave on December 22, 2020, 11:23:52 AM
I'm partway through episode 3 and, like Neil says, Al's tainting songs left, right and centre this episode. I'd never put two and two together about Bowie's dislike for "Little Drummer Boy" before. It makes sense though.
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on December 22, 2020, 11:32:31 AM
I'm partway through episode 3 and, like Neil says, Al's tainting songs left, right and centre this episode. I'd never put two and two together about Bowie's dislike for "Little Drummer Boy" before. It makes sense though.

I don't really want to look into the Ian Brady Little Drummer Boy business, it sounds too upsetting. Cheers, Al!
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Post by: Egyptian Feast on December 22, 2020, 06:58:41 PM
I always hated that song. It evokes memories of a fat kid at Christmas doing my head in with their high-pitched pa rum pum pum pums. I can bear this version as soon as Bowie starts singing 'Peace on Earth', but like everyone else, he has no business letting the words pa rum pum pum pum escape his mouth in the first place.
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Post by: Johnboy on December 23, 2020, 08:02:57 PM
"Kid Creole and the Cunts."
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Post by: Levi on December 24, 2020, 09:57:50 AM
I don't really want to look into the Ian Brady Little Drummer Boy business, it sounds too upsetting. Cheers, Al!

 I Googled it.
 
 Wish I hadn't.
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Post by: SteveDave on December 24, 2020, 02:30:34 PM
A wonderful episode but I still really like “Save Your Love” for some reason.
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on December 24, 2020, 03:32:19 PM
A wonderful episode but I still really like “Save Your Love” for some reason.

I've always been quite fond of it too. Harmless kitsch.
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Post by: edon on December 28, 2020, 09:03:09 PM
If they do end up covering Savile, I imagine Pricey will be counted out of it - just seen his tweets about not being able to stomach him on the Boxing Day TOTP from 1967 even after psyching himself up. If there's any contributors who'd manage it I think it'd be Parkes with either Bee or Kulkarni.

https://twitter.com/simon_price01/status/1343009441235537920?s=20

Incidentally he also mentions he did a binge watch of several Xmas editions from 72, 73, 79, 82, 83, 85, 86, and 93 - barring 73 which has been done already, potential candidates for the next episode?
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Post by: Bernice on December 28, 2020, 09:05:03 PM
79 has Cunterson doing Bang Bang but TWO Blondie tunes.


Edit: See Simon Price covered that in his tweet - it is a great ep and I had the same observation about fidget spinner backgrounds.
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Post by: Blue Jam on December 28, 2020, 11:50:44 PM
Please could someone confirm or deny this for me: In the 1990's I put a load of stickers on my bedroom door with slogans like "WHERE'S ME WASHBOARD?" and "Anyone fancy a pint?" and "Niiiiice". I swear they came from a free sheet of stickers given away with Melody Maker in the late 90's which included a fuckload of Fast Show quotes- anyone else remember this?

I remember the Christmas issue where Brilliant and Rubbish did their summaries of Christmas:

Quote
BRILLIANT: Christmas crackers are BRILLIANT! Posh people's crackers really are BRILLIANT, they've got Rolls Royces and things in them! BRILLIANT!

Quote
RUBBISH: Nativity plays are RUBBISH! It's the same story every year, and the acting is very amateurish. They're RUBBISH!

I'm not sure about the stickers but BRILLIANT and RUBBISH in the Christmas issue definitely happened.
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Post by: non capisco on December 29, 2020, 12:07:34 AM
Please could someone confirm or deny this for me: In the 1990's I put a load of stickers on my bedroom door with slogans like "WHERE'S ME WASHBOARD?" and "Anyone fancy a pint?" and "Niiiiice". I swear they came from a free sheet of stickers given away with Melody Maker in the late 90's which included a fuckload of Fast Show quotes- anyone else remember this?
I'm not sure about the stickers but BRILLIANT and RUBBISH in the Christmas issue definitely happened.

Yeah, definitely happened in the shite reformatted 'Craig David lookalike on the toilet' years. 'I love Liam' with a shamrock was one of the other stickers, as if Oasis were The Dubliners or something.
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Post by: SteveDave on December 29, 2020, 05:41:03 PM
79 has Cunterson doing Bang Bang but TWO Blondie tunes.

As a long-faced man, I feel some affinity with BA Cunterson. "Bang Bang" is a tune.
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Post by: Brundle-Fly on December 29, 2020, 05:54:13 PM
I forgot about all that horrible stuff about Bing Crosby. I remembered that he had a reputation of being a crotchety lush but he appears to have been a proper icy sadist to his kids. This South Bank Show on him is worth a watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aY_l91ex-X8
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Post by: Blue Jam on December 29, 2020, 06:09:52 PM
Yeah, definitely happened in the shite reformatted 'Craig David lookalike on the toilet' years. 'I love Liam' with a shamrock was one of the other stickers, as if Oasis were The Dubliners or something.

I suspect that was nothing to do with Plastic Paddiness and was a reference to the design Patsy Kensit had tattooed on her ankle at the time.

She's since had it lasered off.
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Post by: SteveDave on December 30, 2020, 12:56:26 PM
I suspect that was nothing to do with Plastic Paddiness and was a reference to the design Patsy Kensit had tattooed on her ankle at the time.

She's since had it lasered off.

She's had her ankle lasered off? That's a bit drastic.
Title: Re: Chart Music Podcast 2 (Man Sound) - ITS PIPOU TIME!
Post by: Crabwalk on December 31, 2020, 06:44:10 PM
HOLY F’ING CUNT, Al has dropped a sweet surprise on us
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Post by: Egyptian Feast on December 31, 2020, 06:44:36 PM
Hooray! Just in time to save New Year's Eve. Seven hours!
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Post by: DrGreggles on December 31, 2020, 06:49:07 PM
HOORAY!
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Post by: Beep Cleep Chimney on December 31, 2020, 06:51:53 PM
Christ, this was a pleasant surprise.  Absolute heroes. 
SEVEN BLOODY HOURS!  Get in there. 
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Post by: non capisco on December 31, 2020, 06:53:09 PM
Gawd luv ya, Mr. Needham, sir!
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Post by: Campbell Soupe on December 31, 2020, 09:21:29 PM
Wonderful new year surprise. A bottle and a half of cheap red already under the belt, and my evening is now complete... gawd bless you mr needham, and fuck you 2020
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Post by: justin_bennett on December 31, 2020, 09:53:49 PM
FINALLY THEY ARE ALL THERE
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Post by: shiftwork2 on December 31, 2020, 09:55:34 PM
Heh heh, lovely shit.  Happy new year Al.
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Post by: Satchmo Distel on January 01, 2021, 12:16:20 AM
FINALLY THEY ARE ALL THERE

I am nearly three hours in and it's great except that it's confusingly Al and Taylor with the others flown individually into certain segments and then disappearing without explanation
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Post by: dr beat on January 01, 2021, 12:44:40 AM
I'll get round to hearing the new one ASAP but for now I just want to wish everyone at CMP all the very best for 2021 and thank you so, so much for the joy and the pop-crazed brilliance.  A tonic, in fact much, much more so in what has been some particularly weird and insomniac times.  Thanks, many thanks to you all, and take care.
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Post by: edon on January 01, 2021, 02:27:51 AM
Hate the label national treasures but these lovely lovely people are pretty much exactly that. Bless them

Happiest of new years to all of the CMP team and cannot wait to listen to the new one later on today.
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Post by: Satchmo Distel on January 01, 2021, 11:29:04 AM
LOL at the Saddam Hussein and Thora Hurd jokes (just after the 5 hours mark).
Title: Re: Chart Music Podcast 2 (Man Sound) - ITS PIPOU TIME!
Post by: non capisco on January 01, 2021, 04:43:43 PM
Only partway in to the mammoth running time of this epic beast but I laughed more than is necessary at this classic bit of immaturity from Taylor. "The Fraggles Are Coming." "Ugh."

Let out a little "Yes!" when it became evident that all the team are going to be showing up in this one
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on January 01, 2021, 04:48:59 PM
Let out a little "Yes!" when it became evident that all the team are going to be showing up in this one

Me too. I love the whole knowingly fabricated "a Chart Music Christmas at Al's house" vibe. I hope they do this every year from now on.
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Post by: non capisco on January 01, 2021, 05:24:35 PM
"This must be the first time that sex has reared its head in the Michael Jackson catalogue. Although I don't want to look too deeply into Ben."

"That's not what he said."


Fucking hell, that just made me roar the house down. I love you, Chart Music.
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on January 01, 2021, 05:29:38 PM
Likewise! We must be listening to this episode in sync.

Also, I love the fact that Comrade Shaky has - I think? - been covered more frequently than any other artist on CM. And they've never run out of things to say about him. "Quizzlin' Stevens".
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Post by: Beep Cleep Chimney on January 01, 2021, 05:41:17 PM
Video featuring a playthrough of 'The Shaky Game'.   God, it's rotten.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gio1JJDfARs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gio1JJDfARs)
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on January 01, 2021, 06:23:13 PM
Sarah's 'slam poetry' dissection of the Total Eclipse of the Heart video has been one of the highlights so far.
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Post by: DrGreggles on January 01, 2021, 08:45:26 PM
Wonderful stuff. 7 hours flew by!
When I can fly long haul again, I'll cue this episode up.
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Post by: SteveDave on January 01, 2021, 09:13:31 PM
Is this one for Patreons only?
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Post by: DrGreggles on January 01, 2021, 09:17:23 PM
I assume the plebs will get it soon.
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on January 02, 2021, 02:08:17 AM
"You know that song, Biko? A lot of people don't realise that its real title is The Phil Sivers Show."

Happy new year, Taylor, you funny bugger.
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Post by: bigfatheart on January 02, 2021, 06:31:03 PM
Absolutely cracking episode that, it seems daft after 7+ hours to say this, but I'm just left wanting even more.

A bit surprised that after comparing the Flying Pickets to the Young Ones, there was no mention of the fact that Christopher Ryan had been in the Pickets pre-fame. Although I can't remember if that came up when they covered them before?

Also, loved Neil sticking up for 'Give It Up', seeing as I love that song, and even if they never forget that K.C. has been on Top of the Pops more times than they have, the coating down he got the other time that song came up did make me question whether there was something wrong with my taste. Ta, Neil!
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Post by: Camp Tramp on January 02, 2021, 07:08:11 PM
They only mentioned it briefly but I felt vindicated when they said that Southern Freez by Freez is a great song
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Post by: Beep Cleep Chimney on January 02, 2021, 11:19:11 PM
Fucking glorious episode. 
The bit near the end when Toyah turned up at Al's door creased me up. 
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Post by: non capisco on January 02, 2021, 11:42:54 PM
Fucking glorious episode. 
The bit near the end when Toyah turned up at Al's door creased me up.

That wrongfooted me, I thought it was going to be Bummerdog.

Second episode in a row that at least one of the team have mentioned "When we get to do a live episode", by the way. Sounds like something they're seriously considering once the spiteful armoured bollock has been vanquished. 
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Post by: boki on January 03, 2021, 11:56:42 AM
Loved this bit on 'All Night Long'

Neil: You can't get upset with it.
Al: No. Taylor?
Title: Re: Chart Music Podcast 2 (Man Sound) - ITS PIPOU TIME!
Post by: dr beat on January 03, 2021, 03:46:14 PM
I normally have a strict rule that I only listen to the CMP Christmas shows in December, but I'm going to make an exception for this.  Great stuff, 7 hours but it flew by.
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Post by: JohnnyYen on January 05, 2021, 10:38:09 AM
Have to admit that before I'd quite twigged to the tag-team nature of it, I was getting very upset on Sarah's behalf thinking everyone was just blokeblocking and ignoring her. I'd mentally half-written the snotty complaint email ("Sir, As a High-Flying Cat in good standing...) before she came back with an absolute showstopper.
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Post by: non capisco on January 05, 2021, 10:59:19 AM
Have to admit that before I'd quite twigged to the tag-team nature of it, I was getting very upset on Sarah's behalf thinking everyone was just blokeblocking and ignoring her. I'd mentally half-written the snotty complaint email ("Sir, As a High-Flying Cat in good standing...) before she came back with an absolute showstopper.

Ha ha, same! Was wondering why she'd gone quiet and Al wasn't then directing the conversation her way.
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Post by: dr beat on January 05, 2021, 11:26:29 AM
Must have been one hell of an edit job - big up to Al and the gang.
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Post by: kidsick5000 on January 05, 2021, 01:19:54 PM
"You know that song, Biko? A lot of people don't realise that its real title is The Phil Sivers Show."

Happy new year, Taylor, you funny bugger.

Bloody loved that.

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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on January 05, 2021, 04:49:56 PM
I find it strange that The King of Comedy received its UK TV premiere on Christmas Day 1983, as it only came out at the cinema in 1982. Generally speaking, in those days you'd have to wait four or five years for a film to turn up on telly for the first time. I can only assume that, because TKOC was such a massive flop, the distributors weren't particularly arsed. Channel 4 probably bought it off them for a fiver.
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Post by: JohnnyYen on January 05, 2021, 06:14:53 PM
Feels a bit like TP has been promoted to co-host, him being the only one there throughout. Which is fine by me, I'd happily listen to his lugubrious musings every week.
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on January 05, 2021, 06:21:14 PM
Loved this bit on 'All Night Long'

Neil: You can't get upset with it.
Al: No. Taylor?


That was great. Al's nano-pause and nervous intonation were perfectly timed and delivered. Sighs of relief all round when it became clear that Taylor loves All Night Long too. As much as I love his deadpan coat-downs, I didn't want to hear him tear such a banging record apart. Especially at Christmas.
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Post by: Neomod on January 06, 2021, 12:34:36 PM
Feels a bit like TP has been promoted to co-host, him being the only one there throughout. Which is fine by me, I'd happily listen to his lugubrious musings every week.

If there is a 'breakout' star from CMP it's our Taylor and obviously Al recognises that.[1]
 1. Not denigrating the other CM Panel members. They each bring something unique to the table and I enjoy them all. Even droning David
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Post by: Bernice on January 06, 2021, 12:57:51 PM
Wasn't it originally conceived of with Stubbs as co-host, or am I misremembering?
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Post by: Egyptian Feast on January 06, 2021, 04:44:25 PM
Al refers to Stubbs as his 'wing man' in episode 2.

Taylor saying Ali Campbell looks like he should be in a sausage was unfortunately timed as I was just inhaling a lungful of smoke which went down the wrong hole and caused me to splutter like I was choking to death. I had to pause for 5 minutes until my chest went back to normal. Funny cunt.
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Post by: SteveDave on January 08, 2021, 09:07:29 AM
I'm listening to this episode by episode and Lord almighty, those Tik-Tok adverts voiced by Idris Elba are making me rage. Before I turned it off this morning there was also an advert for a podcast discussing S Club 7's TV series. Sweet Jesus.
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Post by: buzby on January 08, 2021, 09:44:58 AM
It's not Arthur Baker on keyboards with Freeez for IOU btw - it's Freeez' keyboard player Andy Stennett (the band at this point was basically John Rocca, Andy Stennett and Peter Maas on bass). Here's what Arthur Baker looked like in 1983 (though he doesn't look much different now) - a lot fatter, hairier and beardier than Stennett:
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/68/d8/07/68d807433b3af39cc2c8f828e1b29d29.jpg)
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Post by: shiftwork2 on January 08, 2021, 11:44:07 AM
I was perusing the video playlist and I recognise the ceefax Shaky saying 'Oh dear, a bat bit you' despite never owning the game.  It was on the forum wasn't it, and not that long ago?  Someone's avatar maybe.
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Post by: JohnnyYen on January 08, 2021, 03:18:35 PM
If anyone needs any more excuse to drink, I've come up with the Chart Music drinking game. Any time one of these happens, do a shot.

NK: "In a sense"
REDS: "Or whatever"
TP: calls someone a motherfucker
SP: "yeahyeahyeah"
SB: [resigned sigh at Bad Joke, usually from Taylor]
AN: "First Name surname IS FIRSTNAME FUCKING SURNAME"
BUMMERDOG!

Pissed by the second hour.
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Post by: non capisco on January 08, 2021, 05:17:00 PM
Stubbsy: 'etc., etc.'

Taylor: 'Know what I mean?'
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Post by: Camp Tramp on January 08, 2021, 06:34:55 PM
SB: My bloke
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Post by: non capisco on January 08, 2021, 06:50:39 PM
One of the guests : 'Did I tell you about the time when..' (insert outline of an anecdote)

Al: (excitedly) : NO!!!!

You can hear it, can't you? They're in my head, this bunch.
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Post by: Nelson on January 08, 2021, 07:09:07 PM
When Taylor did that Noo Joisey accent at the end of the discussion of Uptown Girl, what was he referring to?
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Post by: Nice Relaxing Poo on January 08, 2021, 07:49:29 PM
Here's a CM drinking game I've just thought of:

Line up shots and cue a DLT or Noel Edmonds episode. You must down one for every insult or slur directed their way.


Dead before the first song even starts.
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Post by: Neomod on January 08, 2021, 07:54:32 PM
Frankly Mr Shankly is the Smith's song I think Sarah was grasping for Down Under.
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Post by: rilk on January 09, 2021, 01:13:49 AM
(new page chirpy chirpy cheep cheep by the jay boys)
 (https://youtu.be/RXKjhlwNxo4)
david stubbs mentioned a reggae version of slade's cum on feel the noize on that last ep - al got as excited as i did at the prospect of it -i've tried googling, no luck, it's not on the video playlist - anyone know what he was talking about or was it misremembered bollocks?
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Post by: shiftwork2 on January 09, 2021, 01:32:21 AM
I had only vague recollections of the video for Total Eclipse of the Heart (https://youtu.be/lcOxhH8N3Bo) but fuck me every frame delivers.
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Post by: easytarget on January 09, 2021, 06:23:52 AM
Chart Music drinking game.

TP: flat (as a description)
TP: flat (referring to his flat)


Loved the 7+hour monstercast, I'm glad they kept Taylor as the permanent guest - he's my favorite one. AND it was great to hear from every contributor in this episode, they're all superb.
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Post by: Egyptian Feast on January 09, 2021, 12:33:26 PM
I had only vague recollections of the video for Total Eclipse of the Heart (https://youtu.be/lcOxhH8N3Bo) but fuck me every frame delivers.

It's a work of art. There's a video (https://youtu.be/fsgWUq0fdKk) in the playlist with some American singing a literal description of the onscreen action, which is very funny and well done, but kinda unnecessary. Every time I watch it I've forgotten how dense with absurdity it is and am astonished anew.

Sarah's slam poetry description was great. I love how Al barely had the time to edit the episode, compile the playlist and write the blurb before 2020 ran out, but he still ensured that bit was given the soundtrack of ridiculous sound effects it deserved.
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Post by: Dusty Substance on January 10, 2021, 11:04:09 AM
What a stupendous episode! I loved every single second of it. I usually find Stubbs a bit of a bore but I enjoyed his review of TOTP 2020 Christmas spesh and the story of Stockhausen prank.

What with it being an end of year TOTP, there was oodles of great music for them to discuss. I turned five in 1983 and I have pretty vivid memories of hearing songs for the first time in that year, especially Eurythmics, Billy Joel and Bonnie Tyler (the video for the latter might as well have been a full length film as far as I was concerned at the time).

I love Chart Music so very much. Their ability to coin phrases astounds me. I particularly liked Al's use of "Huxtable disco" to describe Lionel Richie's music.

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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on January 10, 2021, 08:27:46 PM
Here's a CM drinking game I've just thought of:

Line up shots and cue a DLT or Noel Edmonds episode. You must down one for every insult or slur directed their way.


Dead before the first song even starts.

I wonder if they'll ever run out of funny and inventive ways of slagging that pair off? It seems unlikely.
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Post by: bigfatheart on January 10, 2021, 08:37:20 PM
I watched the 1974 Christmas special hosted by those two cunts earlier, and which hasn't been covered yet - there's plenty of fuel for that particular fire in that episode.
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Post by: EOLAN on January 11, 2021, 09:20:18 AM
Great episode. Full of nostalgia for me covering the year I was born. Mainly because one of our main taped off the TV VHS tapes was of MTV USA on Irish TV around end of 83/ early 84 which had so many of these songs.

Was really caught off guard with Janice Long little joke about All Night Long (All Night); and also loved what Al reasonably explained as a misread line apart Tina Turner.
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Post by: boki on January 12, 2021, 12:26:55 PM
Anyone else get halfway through their second listen before realising that the doorbell was playing the Whole Lotta Love riff?
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Post by: Dusty Substance on January 15, 2021, 09:16:02 PM
Anyone else get halfway through their second listen before realising that the doorbell was playing the Whole Lotta Love riff?

Fuck my hat, I didn't realise that.
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Post by: gilbertharding on January 18, 2021, 11:14:44 AM
Sharp intake of breath hearing Sarah Bee's Corbyn misgivings in the final part.
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Post by: Seedsy on January 18, 2021, 11:55:49 AM
Absolutely fantastic episode. Al Needham you are a wonderful human being
Totally agree with Neil at the end, that was a great episode of totp, the year very well represented with hit after hit. Most of them I love.
I'm glad he put right the wrong, the pasting KC and the Sunshine band got on a previous CM

Do we all hope that will be Taylor now in every show? A sort of promotion to be Als right hand man, or should he not mess with any molecules, keep it as is

I still find Sarah Bee to be quite flat, and David stubbs to be rather tedious, a drinking game could be all the cool bands he name drops he was into as a youth, amd how he flat out seems to hate nearly all pop. He can be quite joyless. Sorry for the negative last paragraphs folks. On a whole I loved it, and will make it a Xmas tradition going forward to listen to this particular episode.
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Post by: Seedsy on January 18, 2021, 11:57:23 AM
Sharp intake of breath hearing Sarah Bee's Corbyn misgivings in the final part.

I must have missed this. What did she say.
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Post by: phantom_power on January 18, 2021, 12:43:21 PM

I still find Sarah Bee to be quite flat, and David stubbs to be rather tedious, a drinking game could be all the cool bands he name drops he was into as a youth, amd how he flat out seems to hate nearly all pop. He can be quite joyless. Sorry for the negative last paragraphs folks. On a whole I loved it, and will make it a Xmas tradition going forward to listen to this particular episode.

He is very aware of this though I think, at is pretty self-deprecating about it
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Post by: non capisco on January 18, 2021, 03:24:54 PM
I've thought that before about Rock Expert David Stubbs (mainly during that one uncharacteristically flat 90s-covering episode when he went on and on about Young Gods) but his last three appearances have all been great, particularly the Ugly Duckling anecdote and the letter to his 'son' Renato. I've really warmed to him. He's especially good when he's paired with Taylor and they both get crazily in depth. Just keep him away from the 90s, I reckon. And the only weakest two episodes are him and Sarah, they don't seem to gel as guests together as well as the other combos.

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Post by: JohnnyYen on January 18, 2021, 04:12:53 PM
Sharp intake of breath hearing Sarah Bee's Corbyn misgivings in the final part.

Probably best you don't read TP's feature on him in the Quietus then...
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Post by: Brundle-Fly on January 18, 2021, 05:56:11 PM
I've thought that before about Rock Expert David Stubbs (mainly during that one uncharacteristically flat 90s-covering episode when he went on and on about Young Gods) but his last three appearances have all been great, particularly the Ugly Duckling anecdote and the letter to his 'son' Renato. I've really warmed to him. He's especially good when he's paired with Taylor and they both get crazily in depth. Just keep him away from the 90s, I reckon. And the only weakest two episodes are him and Sarah, they don't seem to gel as guests together as well as the other combos.

Stubbs is very self-deprecating about his younger snobby self. There's a lot of humility with him.

I also admire Price's honesty about owning No Parlez by Paul Young and UB40's Labour Of Love. That took courage,
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Post by: Johnboy on January 20, 2021, 02:05:09 PM
What a great episode.

I know it's relatively long but it's surely the perfect Chart Show primer.
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Post by: JohnnyYen on January 22, 2021, 10:15:47 AM
Bit late to the party but if anyone needs a Taylor fix while we wait for the next one, he's on this doing his usual forensic and sweary demolition on an episode of the One Show:

https://open.spotify.com/episode/5eJH6DpgqvvEF0nllwDj4P?si=oEXqINgFQfOr8Ojxnzs18g
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Post by: DrGreggles on January 22, 2021, 08:53:45 PM
Any CM fans missing Here Comes Quizm may be interested to learn that the latest instalment of my own Saturday night pop quiz* is tomorrow at 7:30pm.

Come and join the 'fun'!


*endorsed with a book with a foreword by Paul Gambaccini
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Post by: hummingofevil on January 23, 2021, 01:21:13 AM
Any CM fans missing Here Comes Quizm may be interested to learn that the latest instalment of my own Saturday night pop quiz* is tomorrow at 7:30pm.

Come and join the 'fun'!


*endorsed with a book with a foreword by Paul Gambaccini

I am really missing being shamed to fuck by getting 3/100 on pop quiz on podcast that I have spent +100 hours investing in. How do I sign up?*

*Seriously I want in if possible. :)
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Post by: hummingofevil on January 23, 2021, 01:24:52 AM
Oh I am sorry I can't be arsed reading the whole thread but did you all discuss how funny as fuck David Stubbs was on the last podcast proper? And how it was such a joy listening to Neil giggling throughout at his craic? I know Taylor is supposed to be the funny one but I find the Rock Expert himself so amusing.  A comedy muscadet to Taylor's Reisling.
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Post by: DrGreggles on January 23, 2021, 07:51:32 AM
I am really missing being shamed to fuck by getting 3/100 on pop quiz on podcast that I have spent +100 hours investing in. How do I sign up?*

*Seriously I want in if possible. :)

I'll post the exciting details in the 'Saturday Night Pop Quiz LIVE!' thread.
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Post by: non capisco on January 23, 2021, 09:51:32 AM
Oh I am sorry I can't be arsed reading the whole thread but did you all discuss how funny as fuck David Stubbs was on the last podcast proper? And how it was such a joy listening to Neil giggling throughout at his craic? I know Taylor is supposed to be the funny one but I find the Rock Expert himself so amusing.  A comedy muscadet to Taylor's Reisling.

Yep, agreed. His last thee appearances have all been great. I also find it endearing how much he clearly enjoys the whole "Rock expert...David Stu-u-ubbs!" bit.

"Fuck a duck!"
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Post by: DrGreggles on January 23, 2021, 09:52:59 AM
I've always been on #TeamStubbs.
Glad so many of you have agreed that I was right all along.
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Post by: DrGreggles on January 23, 2021, 01:24:16 PM
Pop quiz link for tonight:
https://www.cookdandbombd.co.uk/forums/index.php/topic,83394.msg4442717.html#msg4442717

hummingofevil will be pleased to know that it's much easier (and, lets face it, better) than Here Comes Quizm.
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Post by: Nice Relaxing Poo on January 23, 2021, 01:36:51 PM
Whilst on the plop just now reading Viz, I noticed that podcasts have started advertising in it (no Aqua Velvas advert this month thankfully) I reckon Al should fetch a few quid from out of his G-string and use it to spread the word. The Viz readership is an ideal breeding ground for potential CM fans.
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Post by: Neomod on January 23, 2021, 02:26:54 PM
I've always been on #TeamStubbs.
Glad so many of you have agreed that I was right all along.

Nah. He's not a natural wit. Which is not to say I don't enjoy his contributions but he's definitely the most stilted panel member.
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Post by: Camp Tramp on January 23, 2021, 03:29:45 PM
Nah. He's not a natural wit. Which is not to say I don't enjoy his contributions but he's definitely the most stilted panel member.

One of the many things I like about the pod is that it achieves a nice balance between humour and being informative. Taylor is a good example of this. he has a fantastic turn of phrase, but also knows so much about the subject. The other contributors are the same to a varying degree. I like that each contributor is very different from the others.
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Post by: Neomod on January 23, 2021, 03:58:17 PM
One of the many things I like about the pod is that it achieves a nice balance between humour and being informative. Taylor is a good example of this. he has a fantastic turn of phrase, but also knows so much about the subject. The other contributors are the same to a varying degree. I like that each contributor is very different from the others.

Indeed.
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Post by: Brundle-Fly on January 23, 2021, 06:05:16 PM
One of favourite CMP moments was in a recent ep when they were discussing the unfitness of old school footballers. Al mentions he met either the Scotland squad manager or a player and asked him if ever thought the team had a chance of getting to the finals. It’s the way Al recounts the brutally candid and matter of fact reply.

 “No.”
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Post by: edon on February 04, 2021, 08:07:29 PM
New episode imminent depending on how quick it can get edited down (https://twitter.com/ChartMusicTOTP/status/1356637629287178245?s=20)
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Post by: DrGreggles on February 06, 2021, 11:52:41 AM
Any CM fans missing Here Comes Quizm may be interested to learn that the latest instalment of my own Saturday night pop quiz* is tomorrow at 7:30pm.

Come and join the 'fun'!


*endorsed with a book with a foreword by Paul Gambaccini
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Post by: cosmic-hearse on February 06, 2021, 07:44:43 PM
(new page chirpy chirpy cheep cheep by the jay boys)
 (https://youtu.be/RXKjhlwNxo4)
david stubbs mentioned a reggae version of slade's cum on feel the noize on that last ep - al got as excited as i did at the prospect of it -i've tried googling, no luck, it's not on the video playlist - anyone know what he was talking about or was it misremembered bollocks?

There is a reggae cover of 'Mama We're All Crazee Now' by Denzil Dennis, maybe it was that?
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Post by: dr beat on February 07, 2021, 11:57:10 PM
Watching BBC coverage of the Super Bowl.  They have something called the 'Romo Report'.
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Post by: famethrowa on February 08, 2021, 01:44:37 AM
Watching BBC coverage of the Super Bowl.  They have something called the 'Romo Report'.

So they're just playing a random Pricey episode? ehehehe
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Post by: edon on February 08, 2021, 03:29:20 AM
Or this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kj9k4ZP2e7U)
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Post by: justin_bennett on February 10, 2021, 05:59:40 PM
All quiet on the CM front - is this the longest gap between episodes yet?  Hope all is well at Al Towers.

Keep refreshing the Twitter to see if Bates is flying past on his broomstick to no avail.  Maybe this post will tempt fate...
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Post by: shiftwork2 on February 10, 2021, 07:15:33 PM
I think January is usually a fallow month as December contains two.  I was re-listening to the Christmas epic until a couple of weeks ago so it doesn't seem long since we heard from them.
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Post by: edon on February 10, 2021, 09:10:32 PM
Both Al and Pricey have alluded to it coming soon when asked on Twitter, so I would expect the next one to come in a week or two's time
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Post by: edon on February 13, 2021, 06:03:43 PM
Al says next week and it's an episode from "The Golden Age" - should be interesting
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Post by: Seedsy on February 14, 2021, 11:32:59 PM
Al says next week and it's an episode from "The Golden Age" - should be interesting

79-81
Bring it
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Post by: non capisco on February 14, 2021, 11:53:49 PM
Al's linked to the Legs & Co routine to 'Hooked On Classics' on Facebook today so I'm gonna guess that episode from July '81. Which would possibly mean a coatdown for Bill Wyman's 'Si Si, Je Suis Un Rock Star'.
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Post by: bigfatheart on February 15, 2021, 10:25:37 AM
Also hosted by Steve Wright in the afternoon, one of the hosts they've not covered much, comparative to how often they hosted.

Worth noting that episode also has Depeche Mode and Comrade Shakey, both of whom they've covered a fair few times. Not that I'm complaining with the latter, I don't think the well will ever run dry with him.
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Post by: matjam13 on February 15, 2021, 04:54:50 PM
Al's linked to the Legs & Co routine to 'Hooked On Classics' on Facebook today so I'm gonna guess that episode from July '81. Which would possibly mean a coatdown for Bill Wyman's 'Si Si, Je Suis Un Rock Star'.
This may be the reason why they posted that.
https://ultimateclassicrock.com/louis-clark-elo-dies/
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Post by: shiftwork2 on February 15, 2021, 05:52:26 PM
July '81. Which would possibly mean a coatdown for Bill Wyman's 'Si Si, Je Suis Un Rock Star'.

I don't have the episode list to hand but that beaster was high in the charts in a recent-ish episode and I was gutted it didn't feature.
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Post by: edon on February 15, 2021, 07:35:50 PM
Pretty sure that was the episode which Neil chose with Rolling Stones, Soft Cell, Cliff etc on it. Looking at the running order of that episode it's nearly all acts that they've done at least a few times before, including in the previous 81 editions covered, so not as sure about that one

I think Al also referred to the Eighventies era as the "silver age" in one of the other shows, so I was kind of assuming we'd be getting one of the few viable early TOTPs that are available - either are fine though.
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Post by: non capisco on February 15, 2021, 08:05:52 PM
Ah yes, makes sense. Should be early to mid 70s then, don't think we've had one of those in quite a while.
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Post by: Brundle-Fly on February 15, 2021, 08:57:36 PM
Al's linked to the Legs & Co routine to 'Hooked On Classics' on Facebook today so I'm gonna guess that episode from July '81. Which would possibly mean a coatdown for Bill Wyman's 'Si Si, Je Suis Un Rock Star'.

Coatdown Bill's agenda but not the record. I bloody love it!
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Post by: shiftwork2 on February 15, 2021, 09:10:23 PM
That's it.  There was an allusion to Bill at the start but TOTP had gone with the Start Me Up (https://youtu.be/SGyOaCXr8Lw) video instead of Bill and his fingers that were possibly illegally sticky.

The last great Stones single so who can question that judgment.  The video is brilliant and fascinating by the way, but I've tried to work out what's so off about it (lighting, perspective, the direction that allows Wood and Richards to loom in and dominate the shot out of nowhere?) with no satisfactory answer.
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Post by: edon on February 15, 2021, 10:48:03 PM
The TOTP performance of Je Suis un Rock Star itself is odd (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4qffwafDXI) - they must've recorded two separate takes, as in some shots Wyman's brandishing a guitar but others have him hunched over at a Moog with completely different lighting. Can't think of any other times they cut two performances together?

It also looks like it was shown a second time on the 13/08/81 show, where Simon Bates is later accidentally recorded getting down to Shaky on the studio projector screen as if he's some sort of Big Brother dictator figure (see below gif). God knows what would be made of that on CMP

(https://i.ibb.co/MRkVxcD/ezgif-com-gif-maker.gif) (https://imgbb.com/)
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Post by: non capisco on February 16, 2021, 12:35:07 AM
^ I've always wanted them to cover that, it's one of my favourite TOTP moments. Laughed like a drain when I first saw it on the repeats. He's up on the screen clapping and looking like a dick for what seems like ages.

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Post by: non capisco on February 16, 2021, 12:39:34 AM
The TOTP performance of Je Suis un Rock Star itself is odd (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4qffwafDXI) - they must've recorded two separate takes, as in some shots Wyman's brandishing a guitar but others have him hunched over at a Moog with completely different lighting. Can't think of any other times they cut two performances together?

They did it a few times in the 70s I think. Hot Chocolate doing 'No Doubt About It', a completely sincere top 10 hit about the band encountering what they believed to be a UFO, is made up of two different takes where the audience keep disappearing and reappearing. There's definitely a Showaddywaddy one where they change costumes in-performance as well.
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Post by: Phil_A on February 16, 2021, 11:19:19 AM
That's it.  There was an allusion to Bill at the start but TOTP had gone with the Start Me Up (https://youtu.be/SGyOaCXr8Lw) video instead of Bill and his fingers that were possibly illegally sticky.

The last great Stones single so who can question that judgment.  The video is brilliant and fascinating by the way, but I've tried to work out what's so off about it (lighting, perspective, the direction that allows Wood and Richards to loom in and dominate the shot out of nowhere?) with no satisfactory answer.

And of course the St Sanders "shreds" version is legendary:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61RtfAqxCbg
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Post by: dr beat on February 16, 2021, 11:30:14 AM
The TOTP performance of Je Suis un Rock Star itself is odd (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4qffwafDXI) - they must've recorded two separate takes, as in some shots Wyman's brandishing a guitar but others have him hunched over at a Moog with completely different lighting. Can't think of any other times they cut two performances together?



That song is something of a blind spot for me.  Sounds like Joe Cornish doing Songwars.
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on February 16, 2021, 11:51:26 AM
I dig the fat, squelchy Moog bassline, but yeah, it sounds exactly like what it is: a tossed-off trifle from the most boring member of The Rolling Stones.
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Post by: batwings on February 19, 2021, 04:25:24 PM
New ep up on Patreon:

Chart Music #57: October 11th 1973 – A Balloon Full Of Gravy
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Post by: DrGreggles on February 19, 2021, 05:15:41 PM
That's 5 hours of tomorrow sorted!
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Post by: dr beat on February 19, 2021, 05:19:09 PM
Ooh this sounds good.

Cool, Simon and Neil - don't think we've had that combo for a while have we?
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Post by: Rizla on February 19, 2021, 05:23:19 PM
Sweet! Have they done a cuddly Ken-fronted ep before? I can't remember.
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Post by: dr beat on February 19, 2021, 05:27:11 PM
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Sweet! Have they done a cuddly Ken-fronted ep before? I can't remember.

Yes they have - similar era, think it was Stubbs and Price who covered it.

Edit: Bummer!(Dog) New page.
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Post by: bigfatheart on February 19, 2021, 05:28:26 PM
Yeah, episode #25. I remember Al making a point of saying 'it's not the one where he's dressed as a country bumpkin' or something on that one.

40 minutes in, it's more Chart Music goodness. Felt like punching the air at Neil's off-handed gripe about the sort of people who say 'cockwomble'.
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Post by: boki on February 19, 2021, 05:56:33 PM
You're damn right I immediately hit pause and listened to it (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCL96MvSj9U)
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Post by: edon on February 19, 2021, 06:12:05 PM
Chart Music #25: June 22nd 1973 – Peppa Pig Versus The IRA Pub Bombers was one Everett hosted I think. Looking forward to hearing their take on him this time though, as well as the rest of the discussion
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Post by: justin_bennett on February 19, 2021, 06:33:01 PM
Neil had a late night radio show shocker!
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Post by: bigfatheart on February 19, 2021, 06:37:17 PM
CaBbers (and anyone of a sound mind) will also love Pricey's dig at Glinner et al.
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Post by: Rizla on February 20, 2021, 01:06:11 AM
Guess he’s not much of a c&w head but I’m still surprised Pricey didn’t know who “Nudie” was. My teeth were itching when they didnt go further into the Sparks drummer small ad-I’m assuming that ended up being the ill-fated Dinkie Diamond.
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Post by: bigfatheart on February 20, 2021, 11:57:21 AM
Having finished it now, that was a great episode. Jesus Price surely nailed on for the next Chart Music number one?

At the risk of being That Cunt™ though, I have to correct Neil's assertion that Guy Darrell was a run of the mill singer-songwriter, if only because I was reading up on him the other day and it's the sort of weird story that Chart Music thrives on. In the 60s he was a journeyman singer on the cabaret circuit who'd recorded a few singles without any success, before deciding to jack that in and join a prog band. However, one of his old songs took off on the northern soul scene, got re-released and became a minor hit, so he appeared on Top of the Pops to perform it, looking more like Lemmy's stunt double than the clean-cut crooner he'd been when he cut the actual track. Sadly, the episode only partially exists, so I doubt it'll be showing up on Chart Music anytime soon, but it's an amusing incongruous clip. (https://youtu.be/wr2RaSpGGyY)
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Post by: Egyptian Feast on February 20, 2021, 01:02:43 PM
CaBbers (and anyone of a sound mind) will also love Pricey's dig at Glinner et al.

That was great. I loved the bit afterwards where they talked about falling down rabbit holes reading old music papers. I might take his advice and pick up some back issues from that era. I have some of my brother's NMEs and Sounds from  the eighventies (he moved onto Kerrang! when that came out, but sadly cut every issue to ribbons filling every inch of his bedroom wall with terrifying imagery - the worst for infant me being some NWOBHM compilation sleeve where a fellas head was getting crushed by blaring speakers), but I haven't seen anything from earlier than that. It'd be worth it just for the ads. When I look back at old mags I bought in the 90s (or see old copies of Smash Hits my sister bought again courtesy of daf's TOTP posts), ads I probably flicked past without paying any attention are the things that fascinate me most.
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on February 20, 2021, 01:08:32 PM
Another CMP drinking game: down a shot whenever Pricey mentions Alan Partridge, Chris Morris, Limmy or any other CaB comedy favourite. Such a lovely moment in the latest episode when he referenced the Millport sketch. You can never go back.

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Post by: bigfatheart on February 20, 2021, 02:05:17 PM
That was great. I loved the bit afterwards where they talked about falling down rabbit holes reading old music papers. I might take his advice and pick up some back issues from that era. I have some of my brother's NMEs and Sounds from  the eighventies (he moved onto Kerrang! when that came out, but sadly cut every issue to ribbons filling every inch of his bedroom wall with terrifying imagery - the worst for infant me being some NWOBHM compilation sleeve where a fellas head was getting crushed by blaring speakers), but I haven't seen anything from earlier than that. It'd be worth it just for the ads. When I look back at old mags I bought in the 90s (or see old copies of Smash Hits my sister bought again courtesy of daf's TOTP posts), ads I probably flicked past without paying any attention are the things that fascinate me most.

Someone I know's been uploading old copies of Kerrang to a Google Drive (https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fdrive.google.com%2Fdrive%2Ffolders%2F19fp1KDO6A863Djp1t4dvXadCyU_sKI9a%3Fusp%3Dsharing%26fbclid%3DIwAR2GH4r6m6OmuRAIts0wSkJz9C13HPHAFY3lkJt3TREOLu6ZVHtlis4zm6c&h=AT2YbZbEMz2DO4KbBCunjVbQY88PIgygoYOz3ft9Z670b71hO3soDTK3il5y8NxC8i1NFycRj5HVDAchsg44kelmzKdOhRFPaqq0e9ZWioDEaLrNmetHOM9ss4VxipHywwRyCofJznBZsdiRmrU), he's up to 1997 so far - it's a fascinating wormhole to fall down. Having just pulled up a random issue, there's a reference to 'the ever fleshy Tina Turn-On', aptly enough considering the Nutbush City Limits discussion on the latest ep.
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Post by: non capisco on February 20, 2021, 09:31:57 PM
Another fantastic episode. The whole Ed Case thing in the preamble section and Al's description of the love song sent in by the wank mag reader rivals the original Bollockdog/Bummerdog stories for CMP belly laughs. Lovely to hear the biggest ever list of Patreon donors as well. Shout out to boki!

Also Al's impassioned rendition has reminded me just what an absolute heater 'Whatcha See Is Watcha Get' by The Dramatics is.
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Post by: Rizla on February 20, 2021, 09:46:19 PM
falling down rabbit holes reading old music papers

One of my favourite wastes of time when I was a teenager in the early 90s was going to the big central library's reference hall and requesting all the NMEs and MM's from the eighventies in their massive binders, captivated as I was with all kinds of new wave/punk/2tone stuff, and sitting there at the big table going through the letters pages and reviews. I was particularly obsessed with LA pop-punk jokers The Dickies at the time, and I found the lead singer's petty and resentful campaign of correspondence against the rock snob critics of the NME (who wrote the band off as fluff for kids, yet clearly took great pleasure in printing his absurdly self-regarding diatribes in full) utterly absorbing.
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Post by: batwings on February 21, 2021, 12:07:09 PM
Still working my way through the ep and loving it so far. Not sure why, but that young girl's poem, Brown Is All Around, had me crying with laughter. Must be Al's delivery.
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Post by: jamiefairlie on February 21, 2021, 05:02:15 PM
One of my favourite wastes of time when I was a teenager in the early 90s was going to the big central library's reference hall and requesting all the NMEs and MM's from the eighventies in their massive binders, captivated as I was with all kinds of new wave/punk/2tone stuff, and sitting there at the big table going through the letters pages and reviews. I was particularly obsessed with LA pop-punk jokers The Dickies at the time, and I found the lead singer's petty and resentful campaign of correspondence against the rock snob critics of the NME (who wrote the band off as fluff for kids, yet clearly took great pleasure in printing his absurdly self-regarding diatribes in full) utterly absorbing.

It’s the written equivalent of watching old episodes of 70s TV shows and spending more time on the exterior location shots than watching the actors.
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Post by: Rizla on February 21, 2021, 05:10:22 PM
It’s the written equivalent of watching old episodes of 70s TV shows and spending more time on the exterior location shots than watching the actors.
Ha! I started watching the 1976 second-division british sex-romp "Adventures Of A Taxi Driver" on Amazon Prime recently and spent an absurd amount of time on the pause button - not on Judy Geeson's bits, but on the credits sequence as Barry Evans drives past a Woolworths, trying to clock all the consumer electronics and musical equipment in the window.
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Post by: Epic Bisto on February 21, 2021, 05:22:23 PM
Having finished it now, that was a great episode. Jesus Price surely nailed on for the next Chart Music number one?

Between that, THE SWEET ARE SOFT CUNTS WHO AREN'T FUCKING REAL and Al's letter to 1973 Daily Mirror from the future I was in fits of hysterics.  Another top episode, lads.
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Post by: Epic Bisto on February 21, 2021, 05:26:34 PM
Another fantastic episode. The whole Ed Case thing in the preamble section and Al's description of the love song sent in by the wank mag reader rivals the original Bollockdog/Bummerdog stories for CMP belly laughs.
I would buy a 'East End Tune'/'Tender Heart' 7"
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Post by: edon on February 21, 2021, 09:23:32 PM
One can only imagine what Jesus Price would actually sound like - I'm thinking a Pricey-type goth band except creepily religious (and not just part of their image) like Cliff. In a Bat Cave in Borneo, surely another contender for the Top 10 next time, would probably be similar too.
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Post by: non capisco on February 21, 2021, 11:04:50 PM
MOI NAME'S GRANT MITCHELL
SHARON'S ME LOVAHHHHHH!
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Post by: shiftwork2 on February 21, 2021, 11:57:15 PM
Really terrific episode about my favourite TOTP era, and I'm looking forward to the video playlist.  But I can't have been the only one whose heart sank at both Neil's ongoing axe-grind towards his former boss and Simon's account of tweeting his opinion as to why Oasis were shit (covered elsewhere in Oscillations)?  Thankfully both were put to bed in the first 20 mins.

Needed Taylor to point out Van Der Valk went through several iterations including a Euston Films incarnation, which had all of the grit.  But I suppose that wasn't the 1973 version.
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on February 22, 2021, 12:20:29 PM
MOI NAME'S GRANT MITCHELL
SHARON'S ME LOVAHHHHHH!

No wonder Pricey has never forgotten it - an earworm for the ages.
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on February 22, 2021, 12:31:57 PM
Really terrific episode about my favourite TOTP era, and I'm looking forward to the video playlist.  But I can't have been the only one whose heart sank at both Neil's ongoing axe-grind towards his former boss and Simon's account of tweeting his opinion as to why Oasis were shit (covered elsewhere in Oscillations)?  Thankfully both were put to bed in the first 20 mins.

I can't get enough of them slagging off Cunterland (he really was/is as egregious as they say), and I liked hearing Pricey's account of The Oasis Incident. He was definitely trolling, he admitted as much, but you can tell that he was slightly shaken and perturbed by the whole thing. Being constantly harangued with angry tweets from Oasis fans can't be much fun.

I suppose you could argue that he only has himself to blame, but the response was disproportionate. He* was trending on Twitter for 24 hours, FFS. Lunacy.

* Well #Oasis were, but it was all based on the stuff he wrote.
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Post by: non capisco on February 22, 2021, 01:24:37 PM
No wonder Pricey has never forgotten it - an earworm for the ages.

Haven't been able to get it out of my head all weekend!

MOI NAME'S RICHARD.........TRICKY DICKYYYYYYYYYYY!
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on February 22, 2021, 02:38:34 PM
That fact that TRICKY DICKY was one of the shittest 'stenders villains makes it even funnier. He was no Dirty Den or Wilmott-Brown.
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Post by: Satchmo Distel on February 22, 2021, 04:08:46 PM
What does the title "A Balloon Full Of Gravy" refer to?

Is the section that BBC4 cut out available online? ("lad off Opportunity Knocks who isn’t Neil Reid")
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Post by: Chriddof on February 23, 2021, 12:06:05 AM
I'd like to see the cut section as well, because the edited BBC4 one seems to edit out a chunk of that fascinatingly odd semi-video for Goodbye Yellow Brick Road. It ends at the clock going backwards and Al described more stuff happening after that, unless I've got confused.
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Post by: non capisco on February 23, 2021, 12:20:16 AM
I'd like to see the cut section as well, because the edited BBC4 one seems to edit out a chunk of that fascinatingly odd semi-video for Goodbye Yellow Brick Road. It ends at the clock going backwards and Al described more stuff happening after that, unless I've got confused.

I think the version of Goodbye Yellow Brick Road on the BBC4 edit is the whole thing. That clock's in it twice, as they speculate Elton John probably fucked off early to dive into a bowl of gak and they had to do some padding.
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Post by: Satchmo Distel on February 23, 2021, 12:28:41 AM
On the label, the 'N's in My Friend Stan are printed backwards (И)

https://rateyourmusic.com/release/single/slade/my_friend_stan___my_town/
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Post by: sweeper on February 23, 2021, 10:43:38 AM
I can't get enough of them slagging off Cunterland (he really was/is as egregious as they say), and I liked hearing Pricey's account of The Oasis Incident. He was definitely trolling, he admitted as much, but you can tell that he was slightly shaken and perturbed by the whole thing. Being constantly harangued with angry tweets from Oasis fans can't be much fun.

I suppose you could argue that he only has himself to blame, but the response was disproportionate. He* was trending on Twitter for 24 hours, FFS. Lunacy.

* Well #Oasis were, but it was all based on the stuff he wrote.

It also demonstrated something, I think, about how certain aspects of culture are starting to coalesce - online bullying, Brexityness, 'anti-woke', anti-lockdown and Oasis are being shuffled into the same manilla folder.

I find this enormously heartening. In the near future, Oasis will become widely accepted shorthand for the worst aspects of life.     
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Post by: SteveDave on February 24, 2021, 01:16:42 PM
It also demonstrated something, I think, about how certain aspects of culture are starting to coalesce - online bullying, Brexityness, 'anti-woke', anti-lockdown and Oasis are being shuffled into the same manilla folder.

I find this enormously heartening. In the near future, Oasis will become widely accepted shorthand for the worst aspects of life.     

It's just another form of racism.

Like from Brasseye. Member? Member? MEMBER!? I fucking hate Simon Price.
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Post by: Crabwalk on February 25, 2021, 06:27:32 AM
No fast songs mate
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Post by: sweeper on February 25, 2021, 02:21:57 PM
It's just another form of racism.

Like from Brasseye. Member? Member? MEMBER!? I fucking hate Simon Price.

I have no idea what this means.

Often, on this forum, I read posts like this and feel like I'm slipping into early onset dementia.

And on a related note, I've been thinking about this 'no fast songs' thing, and have come to the conclusion that the pace of their music carries the same sensation as being drunk on beer. Oasis sound like what it feels like to be pissed. The world's only synesthesic band. I think this has lot to do with their success, and continued adoration from a certain kind of beery male.   
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Post by: SteveDave on February 25, 2021, 05:21:07 PM
I have no idea what this means.

It means I hate Simon Price and I can't listen to any Chart Music podcast with him on. 
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Post by: sweeper on February 25, 2021, 06:19:51 PM
Great!

Thanks for clearing that up.

Great.
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Post by: DrGreggles on February 27, 2021, 09:40:17 AM
Not sure how many delve into the YouTube playlists, but they're full of gold.
The latest one includes that OGWT Reggae special from the 1973 Edinburgh Festival, which is fantastic.
https://youtu.be/1gtiqhTL7JM
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Post by: Satchmo Distel on February 27, 2021, 10:50:53 AM
Nicky Thomas - wow. Many thanks for posting that.
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Post by: Dusty Substance on February 28, 2021, 06:50:06 PM
Wasn't massively keen on the latest episode. Didn't hate it, but it lacked a certain something that almost all of the previous episodes have had.

It might be that as we're over the 50 episode mark, it's inevitable that some episodes are going to cover familiar ground - A seventh appearance for Slade, fifth for E.L.O, third for Elton John and second for David Cassidy, Quo and Simon Park Orchestra.

I'm also going off Simon Price quite a bit. As much as I admire his passion and enthusiasm, it can sometimes get a bit too much. Did I imagine it, or did he talk a lot more than Neil in this latest episode?

Surprised that they laid into Eye Level so much. Sure, it's not representative of the soul, funk and glam of 1973 but it's not a horrible tune - I bet Taylor would've been more positive about it.

EDIT: Having said that, it was nice to hear Pricey laying into Graham Linehan.

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Post by: edon on March 01, 2021, 12:06:19 AM
I thought we got a fair bit of Kulkarni, but to be fair he was the youngest out of all of the contributors in 1973 so didn't have much to say in the way of anecdotes, brief memories from the time, etc

Interesting to see how well they're doing in the Apple podcast charts though - #5 out of all of them in the UK is really quite something for something backed by people who aren't a part of the mainstream media in any way.
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Post by: Satchmo Distel on March 01, 2021, 11:15:46 AM
Simon Price is spending too much time talking about himself rather than the music, I would say. Al needs to cut a lot of it out in the edit because it gets tedious. I don't think he's necessarily arrogant but if you ask him to talk about himself, he'll go on and on. I don't give a fuck about his Twitter wars over Oasis. Indeed, if the podcast has a fault, it's becoming too much about the biographies and current activities of the contributors. The music press reading is also probably rather too long. It's a podcast about TOTP not MM and NME.
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Post by: bigfatheart on March 01, 2021, 11:50:00 AM
Personally I like the music press reading - it adds a lot of historical context to the episodes, and I like hearing how certain artists, songs, etc were viewed differently at the time to how they are today, now that a critical consensus has formed.
The stuff about their current activities I can take or leave, but it's not exactly like the contributors are crowbarring it in - Al starts off by asking them what they've been up to, presumably to warm them up. It's probably a bit more repetitive than usual at the moment because, well, there's a lot less variety as to what people are getting up to.
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Post by: Seedsy on March 01, 2021, 10:42:44 PM
Simon Price is spending too much time talking about himself rather than the music, I would say. Al needs to cut a lot of it out in the edit because it gets tedious. I don't think he's necessarily arrogant but if you ask him to talk about himself, he'll go on and on. I don't give a fuck about his Twitter wars over Oasis. Indeed, if the podcast has a fault, it's becoming too much about the biographies and current activities of the contributors. The music press reading is also probably rather too long. It's a podcast about TOTP not MM and NME.

I agree with this actually
The last two epsides pricey have been on, have been very bitter. The 1988 one with Sarah Bee was fucking rubbish

Simon, I think is getting away from what this podcast was originally all about, a bunch of mates slagging off a random episode of totp. He gets quite bitter.

Saying all that, I thought he wasn't on bad form at all this episode. Despite the fact I t take it a bit personally the kicking both he and Neil give oasis.
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Post by: phantom_power on March 02, 2021, 10:28:56 AM
I could listen to any of them talking about music related stuff all day, regardless of whether I agree with them or not. That said, I got quite annoyed at Price's bizarre dissing of Nutbush City Limits because he has never been to Nutbush. Apart from the fact that you can like a song without liking the lyrics, or even knowing them, surely Nutbush is just a placeholder for any shitty town you grew up in and never want to go back to. The specificity helps make it universal. I would have thought Price would be aware of that

I like early Oasis but Oasis fans are the fucking worst
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Post by: Egyptian Feast on March 02, 2021, 10:44:40 AM
I could listen to any of them talking about music related stuff all day, regardless of whether I agree with them or not. That said, I got quite annoyed at Price's bizarre dissing of Nutbush City Limits because he has never been to Nutbush. Apart from the fact that you can like a song without liking the lyrics, or even knowing them, surely Nutbush is just a placeholder for any shitty town you grew up in and never want to go back to. The specificity helps make it universal. I would have thought Price would be aware of that


Yeah, that whole section was complete bollocks for the incredibly obvious reason you stated (bolded above). I thought some of his observations on Kenny Everett's presenting style in the intro to the Michael Ward performance skated perilously close to homophobia too, but thankfully Al stepped in before things got too contentious.
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Post by: edon on March 02, 2021, 11:06:55 AM
Out of all of the CMP contributors Pricey's undoubtedly the most well-known, and even though he does have some level of self-awareness of his more ridiculous moments like some of Romo, the Twitter checkmark and 20k followers must've gone to his head a bit in recent years. Hopefully after causing the unpleasant shitstorm of Brexity Oasis fans and bots he has the sense to just go work on that Cure book of his for a while.
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Post by: Neomod on March 02, 2021, 11:10:28 AM
I enjoyed the latest episode. I think the music press round up gives context for listeners who maybe weren't around at the time of the episode as does the contributors own relevant experiences. Not fussed with the Pricey haters.

Only thing I missed was Taylor (probably) using David Cassidy to go down the rabbit hole of the Partridge Family and The Cowsills. I'd love to have heard his take on them and the documentary he would have inevitably found late at night.
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Post by: phantom_power on March 02, 2021, 11:45:50 AM
Yeah, that whole section was complete bollocks for the incredibly obvious reason you stated (bolded above). I thought some of his observations on Kenny Everett's presenting style in the intro to the Michael Ward performance skated perilously close to homophobia too, but thankfully Al stepped in before things got too contentious.

I think Price would be the last person to be homophobic. I think it was more that it was seen now through the prism of Saville, Yewtree etc
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Post by: Nice Relaxing Poo on March 02, 2021, 11:48:44 AM
They're right about how bad a fit Everett's style was for TOTP. Toe curling awful stuff.
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Post by: Egyptian Feast on March 02, 2021, 11:50:44 AM
I think Price would be the last person to be homophobic. I think it was more that it was seen now through the prism of Saville, Yewtree etc

I agree Price is no homophobe, but I was glad for Al's intervention.

They're right about how bad a fit Everett's style was for TOTP. Toe curling awful stuff.

Agreed. We watched this episode on YouTube a couple of months back and couldn't bear revisiting it, so just watched some highlights from the playlist. The interview he did with the two kids on the same day was pretty excruciating too.
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Post by: Pete23 on March 02, 2021, 12:06:16 PM
I was a bit taken aback at how serious they got that Kenny Everret wasn't paying TOTP enough respect (or however they worded it). I get that his style didn't fit, but do any of the DJ's actually pay it any respect? Seems to me that actually putting some effort in the links, even though they may not be funny and feel like they are from a different show, is much more than the usual suspects do when they continually get bands and song names wrong and look like they'd rather be anywhere else. I totally get that one of the appeals of the podcast is that they take TOTP seriously, but that bit seemed a bit over earnest to me - just say he was crap and drop the "how dare he sully the good name of all those that came before" bollox.
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Post by: OnlyRegisteredSoICanRead on March 02, 2021, 05:34:28 PM
I kinda gave up on this when the shows started to vacuolate and the running times went over 4 hours, also I was getting bored of them covering the same ground, oh, Eighventies again.

Tried that last one, I only got as far as the 'Ooh the Daily Mail' bit, I know it was the Mirror fluff piece or something, but it just seemed to take about 3 hours to even get to talking about Top of the Pops.

But then I never used to hang out with Marilyn Mason, so what would I know, Neil?
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Post by: dr beat on March 02, 2021, 05:54:10 PM
The great lost version of Heartache Avenue?
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Post by: Campbell Soupe on March 03, 2021, 12:57:49 AM
But then I never used to hang out with Marilyn Mason, so what would I know, Neil?

#kulkarnikancelled ?
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Post by: justin_bennett on March 03, 2021, 10:50:34 AM
I am happy to listen to the chat about themselves, in pre-Covid times it would have been what they have been up to that is pop and interesting (ie gigs etc) - now translates to whatever social media pish has been trending which is fine by me, even if it feels a bit old by the time it comes out.  Al certainly seems to have got a bounce off it in terms of dollar-in-the-g-string so fair fucks to 'em.

Still the best podcast out there as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by: dr beat on March 03, 2021, 10:59:21 AM
While I'm as fed up as anyone about the current situation, I think they've dealt with talking about lockdown pretty well, and its made them more relatable if anything.  It sounds like Simon in particular seems to have taken a bad hit with the situation. 
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Post by: Satchmo Distel on March 03, 2021, 11:44:24 AM
Yeah, that whole section was complete bollocks for the incredibly obvious reason you stated (bolded above). I thought some of his observations on Kenny Everett's presenting style in the intro to the Michael Ward performance skated perilously close to homophobia too, but thankfully Al stepped in before things got too contentious.

It was extraordinary that Price assumed everyone knew in 1973 that Everett was gay. It wasn't even common knowledge in 1983. Everett was engaging in double entendre much like any Carry On film would have done at the time but was going over the line by doing it with a kid, but nobody would have seen it as paedo behaviour (nor should they) but as exploiting for comic effect the fact that the kid and most kids in the audience would not get the sexual references whereas the adults would. Everett did similar stuff on his subsequent Thames series (interspersed with incredibly erotic dance routines by Hot Gossip) but not using a child as a prop.

His sexual harassment of the young females may have been an attempt to parody ironically the leering that was done non-ironically by other presenters; but clearly the girls would have felt it was harassment so so should we in hindsight. There's an unsettling lack of empathy in the willingness of Everett to use young people as unwitting props, but that was common to almost all hosts in the 70s and 80s, albeit with adults: look at the Generation Game, Noel's House Party, etc.

I think Everett got away with stuff because the clown/Mr. Claypole figure he resembles here is traditionally non-sexual and given a license to say the unsayable, which puts him outside the bounds of sexual threat. Savile, DLT, Stuart Hall and Rolf Harris all exploited that license with predatory and criminal results but there's no evidence of Everett doing so or implying he wanted to do so.
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Post by: phantom_power on March 03, 2021, 11:47:53 AM
While I'm as fed up as anyone about the current situation, I think they've dealt with talking about lockdown pretty well, and its made them more relatable if anything.  It sounds like Simon in particular seems to have taken a bad hit with the situation. 

Until he got that sweet, sweet Cure book dollar.

It is always a thrill to hear your name mentioned on a podcast you like, sad though that is*



*Yes, I am Neil Reid
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Post by: Satchmo Distel on March 03, 2021, 12:01:22 PM
To be fair to him, the deadline for that book seems to be intensely stress-inducing. OTOH if you're trying to hit a deadline, why are you messing with Twitter trolls? Wouldn't that be the first activity you'd ditch?

Simon can sometimes be warmly and endearingly self-aware and open, as when talking about his childhood, but, when challenged on his own turf, he becomes "so how many boooks have you had published, then?" He's a bit of a Maconie in that respect: he wants you treat him as an expert in the field rather than a fellow fan whose opinions can be shit and ill-informed. Hence he'll get very defensive if you point out a gaffe.
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Post by: buzby on March 03, 2021, 03:51:43 PM
On a related note, the way they were talking about Kenny Everett does make me apprehensive that he's in for a mauling in a future show, possibly one of shows from 1973 during his brief stint as a presenter.
Is it going to be the episode where Everett is dressed in a sort of bumpkin/yokel costume and blacks more of his teeth out incrementally throughout the show?
This one (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ds5-ew9ilJY)? Most probably, as it's the only one of his 6 1973 shows that still exists, and it's marvellous. The unedited studio rushes version that was shown on BBC4's Kenny Everett night was even better. Here's the "Meet Kenny Everett' segment that accompanies that episode, with him giving a tour of the studio and answering some children's questions, There's some telling comments from Ev in his answers that highlight why he didn't do more episodes.

Called it 3 years ago.

As mentioned upthread, in 1973 Everett was still firmly in the closet and married to Lee. He only started coming to terms with his sexuality when they divorced in 1979, and only publically came out after Lee's autobigraphy was published in 1987 where she outed him (something he never forgave her for, and they never spoke again after that).

I wish Simon would keep his window shut so we didn't have to listen to Brighton's seagull population in the background.
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Post by: badaids on March 03, 2021, 04:13:47 PM

This episode did feel a little tiresome, but inevitable with a year of lockdown and fuck all to do.

I think we all knew that the format would tire a bit at some point, and until they can do the live episode  I think it’s the right moment to do an episode of The Tube or Revolver of or OGWT, which they’ve already talked about a fair bit.

Oh, and Taylor has already covered Eye Level and Simon Park. As I recall he hated it and the bbc orchestra in their mustard yellow roll necks. I think they are all wrong - I love Eye Level mainly because it reminds me of that Oranjeboom beer advert in the 80s and the sort oh homage that Gorky’s did on their album Bwyd Time.
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Post by: Rolf Lundgren on March 03, 2021, 11:50:37 PM
I think Pricey's great, not really sure why he seems to be disliked by a few on here.
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Post by: Satchmo Distel on March 04, 2021, 01:06:37 AM
I look forward to him being on because he's interesting and knowledgeable but he's also hit and miss with me because he can assert something totally wrong with total confidence such as (see above) Kenny Everett being known to be gay in 1973. I think Sarah is actually the best on the podcast at not stating something bollocks as fact.
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Post by: Campbell Soupe on March 04, 2021, 08:58:45 AM
I think Pricey's great, not really sure why he seems to be disliked by a few on here.

I'm in the Pricey fanclub too, he's got a overgrown, enthusiastic Popkid sensibility that I find endearing.  The only time he's actively annoyed me was a few episodes ago, when banging-on about Harry Enfield instigating some kind of culture war, with his rubbish Loadsamoney cash-in single.

Neil does come across as genuinely a bit damaged by his crap boss of 20-odd years ago.

Learned to play Eye-Level on the xylophone at primary school: won't hear a word said against it - fucking choon!
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Post by: phantom_power on March 04, 2021, 09:44:55 AM
Price is good but like all music journalists he has his pet theories borne of thinking about music too much and having a view on the whole thing different to creators or consumers. The Harry Enfield thing is a case in point, as is the "not liking songs where you haven't been to the place named in the title" bollocks
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Post by: Natnar on March 04, 2021, 09:52:58 AM
This episode did feel a little tiresome, but inevitable with a year of lockdown and fuck all to do.

I think we all knew that the format would tire a bit at some point, and until they can do the live episode  I think it’s the right moment to do an episode of The Tube or Revolver of or OGWT, which they’ve already talked about a fair bit.

Oh, and Taylor has already covered Eye Level and Simon Park. As I recall he hated it and the bbc orchestra in their mustard yellow roll necks. I think they are all wrong - I love Eye Level mainly because it reminds me of that Oranjeboom beer advert in the 80s and the sort oh homage that Gorky’s did on their album Bwyd Time.

I think it's all down to Al not wanting to go out of his "everything after Live Aid is crap" comfort zone. Why not cover more post 2000 episodes, they may be crap but at least they won't be covering Shaky for the 20th time.

I still think they need a bit of fresh blood, surely now the podcast has taken off Al can get the odd guest reviewer in.
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on March 04, 2021, 09:57:08 AM
I'm always delighted whenever Comrade Shaky and his heterosexual rock 'n' roll turn up, he's a comforting CMP regular. And they still haven't run out of things to say about him.
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Post by: Egyptian Feast on March 04, 2021, 10:20:15 AM
I think we could do with more 60s and early 70s episodes, though that would eventually require addressing the jingling elephant in the room.

I think it's all down to Al not wanting to go out of his "everything after Live Aid is crap" comfort zone. Why not cover more post 2000 episodes, they may be crap but at least they won't be covering Shaky for the 20th time.

I'd be interested in hearing them tackle some post-2000 episodes as well. We've only had one from this century so far and TOTP ran to 2006.

The first and last editions are both intact, aren't they? They'd both be fascinating to discuss, but Jingle Cunt makes it unlikely they'd bother.
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Post by: Egyptian Feast on March 04, 2021, 10:24:50 AM
Some of the recent 1990 repeats would make for a good episode. I'd love to hear their thoughts on Nicky Campbell's presenting style.
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Post by: non capisco on March 04, 2021, 10:30:19 AM
I'm always delighted whenever Comrade Shaky and his heterosexual rock 'n' roll turn up, he's a comforting CMP regular. And they still haven't run out of things to say about him.

They still haven't covered 'A Little Boogie Woogie In The Back Of My Mind'. There's probably two hours worth of chat they can get out of that....abberation in the Shakeular canon.
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Post by: phantom_power on March 04, 2021, 10:53:07 AM
Some of the recent 1990 repeats would make for a good episode. I'd love to hear their thoughts on Nicky Campbell's presenting style.

Or Anthea "saucer-eyes" Turner
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Post by: SteveDave on March 04, 2021, 11:25:33 AM
Post-2000 episodes would be interesting as I presume there’d be a lot of acts they had no history with or interest in, which could lead to them (Taylor) going into a flight of fancy about the Vengaboys or sutin.
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Post by: OnlyRegisteredSoICanRead on March 04, 2021, 12:31:03 PM
I did see it suggested that they did one of those modern Xmas specials, and the reply was 'it would just be us going Who?'
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Post by: boki on March 04, 2021, 01:52:24 PM
They still haven't covered 'A Little Boogie Woogie In The Back Of My Mind'. There's probably two hours worth of chat they can get out of that....abberation in the Shakeular canon.

They're definitely saving that one for a rainy day.
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Post by: edon on March 04, 2021, 02:00:35 PM
It would be interesting to hear their take on the final attempt to revive TOTP in 2003 by Andi Peters, but I think the main problem with the 2000s episodes is that Al probably doesn't even have any of them in his possession, considering what he's said about the scarcity of 90s ones (although I know he's been aided by a few people on those). Who was even bothering to tape the show by that point?

Another era they still haven't done anything on is the one between acid house + Madchester influencing the charts and Britpop, i.e. late 91ish to 93. Which is understandable, as it's a no-mans land of late 80s leftovers and TOTP itself goes through a real rough spot around that time with the miming ban, but it'd be a bit of a shame if they never cover it even once.
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Post by: Egyptian Feast on March 04, 2021, 02:06:49 PM
It would be interesting to hear their take on the final attempt to revive TOTP in 2003 by Andi Peters, but I think the main problem with the 2000s episodes is that Al probably doesn't even have any of them in his possession, considering what he's said about the scarcity of 90s ones (although I know he's been aided by a few people on those). Who was even bothering to tape the show by that point?

There are still quite a few on the TOTP Mega archive, which I believe Al has access to. At least half a dozen for each year 2000 - 2006 on checking. There are seemingly more episodes from that era available than there are for the 'golden age', few of which are tainted by Yewtree cunts.
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Post by: OnlyRegisteredSoICanRead on March 04, 2021, 02:10:09 PM
It would be interesting to hear their take on the final attempt to revive TOTP in 2003 by Andi Peters, but I think the main problem with the 2000s episodes is that Al probably doesn't even have any of them in his possession, considering what he's said about the scarcity of 90s ones (although I know he's been aided by a few people on those). Who was even bothering to tape the show by that point?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7_SKjAe3oc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6-zrh66XjQ
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Post by: Johnboy on March 04, 2021, 02:31:19 PM
I like Pricey as much as the next person but I can't relate to the constant airing of his thoughts across his social media platforms.
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Post by: SteveDave on March 04, 2021, 02:36:31 PM
That version of “Crazy” is awful (from the first link two posts up). Is the drummer the same fellow drumming with tyat Japanese woman singing “My Way”?
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Post by: Bernice on March 04, 2021, 02:51:24 PM
Jesus Christ, I'd forgotten about that Daz Sampson Eurovision track (also from the first link above). A cunt called Daz in a £20 H&M polo doing a sort of Great Shitish blend of Black Eyed Peas/early Kanye about how we all used to go to school, when you think about it.

Daz.
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Post by: edon on March 04, 2021, 03:35:01 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7_SKjAe3oc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6-zrh66XjQ

Yeah those are pretty desolate. If they're going to tackle that era at any point it'd have to be one of the special editions - I vaguely remember them doing entire shows from outside locations a few times to try and get people interested again. Of course there was no saving it or virtually all of the charts by that point, but it'd at least give CMP more to work with from that time.
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on March 04, 2021, 03:46:12 PM
They still haven't covered 'A Little Boogie Woogie In The Back Of My Mind'. There's probably two hours worth of chat they can get out of that....abberation in the Shakeular canon.

Even without the benefit of hindsight, Shaky covering a G. Glitter tune was neither a good look nor sound.

Shakin' Leader.
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on March 04, 2021, 03:57:06 PM
Neil does come across as genuinely a bit damaged by his crap boss of 20-odd years ago.

Neil's anger is valid and has wider-reaching meaning, as his dunderheaded former boss symbolises so much of what went wrong in popular culture at the turn of the century. Dumb it down, treat your audience like idiots, polarise everything: judge art and politics with a binary YAY or NAY. Celebrate mediocrity, sneer at 'weird' marginal stuff. Let's all chill out and have a lager wank.
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Post by: bigfatheart on March 04, 2021, 06:05:34 PM
The other day I was looking around some of the post-2000 episodes, thinking what CM would have to say about them. Saw that the '1981 Reunion Party' episode is on Mega, thought that would be an interesting one for them to dissect, thought I'd skim through it... 30 seconds in, guess who should jingle-jangle into sight?

You just can't avoid the cunt.
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Post by: Satchmo Distel on March 04, 2021, 08:06:36 PM
They should cover it just to get that cunt out of the way without having to do one of his full episodes.
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Post by: Dusty Substance on March 04, 2021, 08:14:07 PM
Who was even bothering to tape the show by that point?


I'll have a word with my mate. He made a point of collecting every Smash Hits and taping every TOTP throughout the 90s and into the 2000s.
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Post by: bigfatheart on March 04, 2021, 08:35:57 PM
They should cover it just to get that cunt out of the way without having to do one of his full episodes.

It's a Mr Benn parody with Jamie Theakston as Mr Benn and Savile as the shopkeeper, ending with Theakston dressed as Adam Ant. Sod the rest of the show, that minute or so deserves an entire six hour episode.
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Post by: Natnar on March 04, 2021, 09:16:32 PM
Is there a really noncey episode of Top Of The Pops from the 70's or 80's with Saville, Glitter, Jonathan King and Rolf Harris on so we can get them all out of the way in one go.

What was the nonciest episode of Top Of The Pops anyway?
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Post by: edon on March 04, 2021, 10:40:38 PM
I believe Savile, Glitter and King all appeared together on the 1000th episode, as well as DLT and extra BBC4 repeats spoilsport Mike Smith, so there's no chance in hell that show's ever seeing the light of day again on TV. VHS recordings are of course plentiful of that one though (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DFa74sNgns), and the nonces are confined to only one or two links with everyone else on Radio 1 appearing too, so there at least won't be the shadow of Yewtree hanging over the entire show in that case.
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Post by: jamiefairlie on March 04, 2021, 11:29:34 PM
They should just grasp the nettle and get it done. It's ludicrous that you must ignore a cultural artifact simply because a person associated with it was a criminal. talk about it once if they must and then ignore them and talk about the music and the rest of the show/year as usual. It's not helping anyone by pretending it didn't happen.

On the subject of Price, I'd be less inclined to find him less annoying if he wasn't often wrong in his rants. The Nutbush business and KE both in the last episode were fairly absurd. He seems to be the one most likely to apply modern sensibilities to the past and get annoyed that they're not the same.
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Post by: Johnboy on March 05, 2021, 09:05:08 AM
Yes, I find the over analysis of the presenters' links a bit wearing and this has been going on since 2011 on blogs and so forth

These were links that were given no thought and weren't designed to be analysed 40-50 years later, it just doesn't fit.
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Post by: dr beat on March 05, 2021, 09:19:03 AM
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Yes, I find the over analysis of the presenters' links a bit wearing and this has been going on since 2011 on blogs and so forth

These were links that were given no thought and weren't designed to be analysed 40-50 years later, it just doesn't fit.

Perhaps its the nature of my line of work (interactional sociology), but I find that all quite fascinating, like analyzing an actor's delivery of lines or something.
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Post by: edon on March 05, 2021, 12:34:54 PM
Overanalysing the presenters is what has sometimes creates the best moments of the podcast though - Taylor's description of Noel Edmonds' hair, the examination of DLT's ego, Simon Bates' High-Flying Cats, etc, and they still haven't had a go at Nicky Campbell or some of the more outlandish choices of the mid 90s guest presenter era either. I'm all for that continuing as long as there's something to be said, which there usually is.
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Post by: Camp Tramp on March 05, 2021, 04:37:23 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7_SKjAe3oc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6-zrh66XjQ

Preston was dire in that second episode. He also said that Corinne Bailey Rae was too happy and he wanted something to wipe the smile off her face.

...and the monkey paw curls...
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Post by: DrGreggles on March 06, 2021, 11:22:48 AM
Anyone missing Here Comes Quizm may be interested to learn that the glorious return of Saturday Night Pop Quiz LIVE (https://www.cookdandbombd.co.uk/forums/index.php/topic,83394.0.html) is tonight.
Or may not...
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Post by: Satchmo Distel on March 07, 2021, 11:06:32 AM
The Nicky Campbell episode just shown on BBC4 would easily justify five hours of CM.
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Post by: Seedsy on March 17, 2021, 09:44:44 PM
Went down a rabbit hole after watching those 2006 episodes posted here.
Now I am not giving any merit to any of the music on display from those episodes or the ones I watched.

But I think the chart music gang are missing a trick.
At the very least it's a varied selection. Just watched a performance from electric 6 doing high voltage. Very entertaining. Richard bacon presenting. Again, loads of ammo for the gang.
They should maybe step out of their comfort zone.
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Post by: Wacky Homemade Badges on March 18, 2021, 10:08:36 AM
I think Pricey's great, not really sure why he seems to be disliked by a few on here.

His writing in Melody Maker often had quite a bullying style. I think he was actually going for a Chris Morris-ish bite, but often it seemed to fall the wrong side into spite. This sort of thing (below), where he's having a go at the band but in ways that for me are problematic - the band get a lot of joyful stick, but in the process so do the non-neurotypical, people who write about music but don't get paid for it, and women who want to choose the way they express their sexuality.

http://sarahrecords.org.uk/le-jardin-de-heavenly/
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Post by: phantom_power on March 18, 2021, 10:35:08 AM
He does that thing of judging them on terms that are not what the band are operating from as well. Why criticise a Sarah Records band for not rocking out? That isn't the purpose they serve. Not everything has to rock and I am sure there are examples that Price likes that don't. It is that music critic thing of having a visceral reaction to something and then trying to justify it intellectually or from some sort of ideological standpoint. Why even review something you were never going to like anyway? (I know the answer to this, obv)
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Post by: dr beat on March 18, 2021, 10:44:57 AM
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His writing in Melody Maker often had quite a bullying style.

You really don't want to read what Neil had to say about Neds Atomic Dustbin ;)

Team Pricey here.  Team all of them in fact.
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Post by: dr beat on March 18, 2021, 10:56:46 AM
He does that thing of judging them on terms that are not what the band are operating from as well. Why criticise a Sarah Records band for not rocking out? That isn't the purpose they serve. Not everything has to rock and I am sure there are examples that Price likes that don't. It is that music critic thing of having a visceral reaction to something and then trying to justify it intellectually or from some sort of ideological standpoint. Why even review something you were never going to like anyway? (I know the answer to this, obv)

I was an avid MM reader around 94-97 and I found Price, Parkes and Kulkarni infuriating and entertaining in equal measure.  They often slagged off things I liked and it made me think very deeply about what I liked and why I did.  And I owe them for that.

Or its like what Sarah said in one episode about people like Steven Wells.  You saw a writer's byline and you knew what to expect, and you used their reaction as a measure for what your own preferences might be. 

Much like CaB in some ways.
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Post by: Wacky Homemade Badges on March 18, 2021, 11:24:25 AM
I was an avid MM reader around 94-97 and I found Price, Parkes and Kulkarni infuriating and entertaining in equal measure.  They often slagged off things I liked and it made me think very deeply about what I liked and why I did.  And I owe them for that.

Or its like what Sarah said in one episode about people like Steven Wells.  You saw a writer's byline and you knew what to expect, and you used their reaction as a measure for what your own preferences might be. 

Much like CaB in some ways.

Oh yeah, agree totally with all of that. Just ideally without pops at the autistic...
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Post by: Wacky Homemade Badges on March 18, 2021, 11:27:37 AM
(or anyone else who doesn't deserve it, really).
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Post by: sweeper on March 18, 2021, 04:26:59 PM
Is it entirely fair to criticise this kind of thing at a distance of 30 years, using today's measures?

I agree it looks pretty grim now, but something this old probably should. In terms of humour of the time, this would be considered fairly mild.

Everyone bullied everyone in the 90s, if they were capable of it. It was horrendous. I think that's partly why Sarah bands etc. tended to avoid the press. I remember finding out about such music from means other than the papers. I remember that Belle and Sebastian completely ignored the whole thing, much to anger of the press, which was of course hilarious.

Anyway, being a cock and sort of owning it and being proud of it was kind of the flavour of 90s music journalism. For what it's worth, when Neil or someone pats themselves on the back for the Neds review they wrote back in the day, in find myself cringing. If I'd had writing that shit published I'd want it buried at sea.

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Post by: dr beat on March 18, 2021, 04:57:30 PM
From what they say quality control didn't really exist at the MM, but then again that allowed the honesty of their opinions to come through warts and all, in contrast to what seems to be a too close and very controlled relationship between artists and writers these days.  Neil sounded like he couldn't believe he'd gotten away with it. 
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Post by: Wacky Homemade Badges on March 18, 2021, 06:18:19 PM
Is it entirely fair to criticise this kind of thing at a distance of 30 years, using today's measures?

I agree it looks pretty grim now, but something this old probably should. In terms of humour of the time, this would be considered fairly mild.

Everyone bullied everyone in the 90s, if they were capable of it. It was horrendous. I think that's partly why Sarah bands etc. tended to avoid the press. I remember finding out about such music from means other than the papers. I remember that Belle and Sebastian completely ignored the whole thing, much to anger of the press, which was of course hilarious.

Anyway, being a cock and sort of owning it and being proud of it was kind of the flavour of 90s music journalism. For what it's worth, when Neil or someone pats themselves on the back for the Neds review they wrote back in the day, in find myself cringing. If I'd had writing that shit published I'd want it buried at sea.

Yeah, I think your last point relates to the first - I'd be happier about cutting them some slack for that sort of thing if they weren't so proud of it all! It is a fun podcast tho.
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on March 19, 2021, 08:23:22 AM
Last night I listened again to episode #36, towards the end of which Taylor mentions Wikipedia's hypnotically dry and detailed synopses of every single Terry and June episode.

"Sometimes when it's really cold in my flat, I read through it all while listening to a recording of a distant church bell tolling."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Terry_and_June_episodes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Terry_and_June_episodes)

That episode was also recorded around the time when Taylor's toilet exploded. I hope his life isn't actually as miserable as it sounds, he's presumably exaggerating for comic effect, but I can relate to his very funny descriptions of a lonely, despondent middle-aged man pointlessly watching old episodes of World in Action on YouTube at 3am.

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Post by: dr beat on March 19, 2021, 10:06:07 AM
I'd buy an audiobook of Taylor reading out all those.
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Post by: dr beat on March 19, 2021, 05:13:22 PM
Listening again to the most recent one again and got to the bit where they talk about Michael Ward, the child star from Workington, Cumbria, and I think Pricey is great there.
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Post by: non capisco on March 19, 2021, 10:48:41 PM
How many weeks ago was the last one? I'm still finding myself stomping around my quarters singing East End Tune of an evening.

MY NAME IS PHIL
I LOVE KATHY
I'M A MOTOR MECHANIC
SHE WORKS IN THE CAFFY
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Post by: shiftwork2 on March 19, 2021, 11:52:59 PM
We are due.  9 months pregnant-due.

I’ve been well served recently so braced for a post-1986 episode that, while still delightful, I don’t listen to four times immediately.
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Post by: Camp Tramp on March 20, 2021, 12:41:51 PM
We are due.  9 months pregnant-due.

I’ve been well served recently so braced for a post-1986 episode that, while still delightful, I don’t listen to four times immediately.

I think some of the recent 1990 episodes on BBC4 have been well worthy of coverage and have had a good mix of bad and great songs.
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Post by: boki on March 20, 2021, 01:03:18 PM
Apologies for forgetting who, but someone on here recommended the Back To Now podcast, which I've dipped in and out of. Anyway, the latest one has Alexis Petridis guesting, so has plenty of crossover appeal with our favourite pop crazed pod.
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Post by: non capisco on March 20, 2021, 01:37:00 PM
Alexis Petridis independently had exactly the same idea as me for a club that only plays songs you hear at 3 in the morning in mini cabs. Only he had the sense to actually put it into practice rather than just 'do a thread on Cookd and Bombd'.
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Post by: Camp Tramp on March 20, 2021, 02:15:40 PM
Alexis Petridis independently had exactly the same idea as me for a club that only plays songs you hear at 3 in the morning in mini cabs. Only he had the sense to actually put it into practice rather than just 'do a thread on Cookd and Bombd'.

Isn't that the event that Simon DJ'd on?
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Post by: dr beat on March 20, 2021, 04:44:31 PM
How many weeks ago was the last one? I'm still finding myself stomping around my quarters singing East End Tune of an evening.

MY NAME IS PHIL
I LOVE KATHY
I'M A MOTOR MECHANIC
SHE WORKS IN THE CAFFY

Last one was Feb 19th.  Average seems to be about 5-6 weeks between episodes so hopefully we'll get a new one end of this month/early next.
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Post by: boki on March 20, 2021, 07:17:18 PM
Isn't that the event that Simon DJ'd on?
Yeah, they do it together (fnarr)
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Post by: boki on March 20, 2021, 07:20:04 PM
Last one was Feb 19th.  Average seems to be about 5-6 weeks between episodes so hopefully we'll get a new one end of this month/early next.

Patreon update just landed - recording next week and Al's also going to start uploading previous episodes without ads to the Patreon
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Post by: Chicory on March 20, 2021, 07:30:34 PM
Patreon update just landed - recording next week and Al's also going to start uploading previous episodes without ads to the Patreon

Excellent. As a fully paid up HFC, it hacks me right off when I go to listen to an old full length episode and Great Big Bowel have retro-inserted adverts left right and centre.
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Post by: bigfatheart on March 20, 2021, 07:48:33 PM
Al also says:

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Rest assured that you will get the next episode soon (spoiler: it's a fucking batshit TOTP)

so let's all get speculating which particular batshit episodes we'd love to see covered!

First one that comes to mind for me is Garth Crooks introducing Killing Joke, sans Jaz Coleman. Just a perfect storm of weirdness in that moment alone.
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Post by: Dusty Substance on March 20, 2021, 08:10:14 PM
His writing in Melody Maker often had quite a bullying style. I think he was actually going for a Chris Morris-ish bite, but often it seemed to fall the wrong side into spite. This sort of thing (below), where he's having a go at the band but in ways that for me are problematic - the band get a lot of joyful stick, but in the process so do the non-neurotypical, people who write about music but don't get paid for it, and women who want to choose the way they express their sexuality.

http://sarahrecords.org.uk/le-jardin-de-heavenly/

Can anyone remember if Melody Maker stopped censoring swear words?

David Stubbs' Wiki entry mentions that Mr. Agreeable's swear words were asterisked out to comply with IPC Media regulations [citation needed], but I have a memory of seeing full uncensored 'fucks' in MM in the last few years of its existence. Or have I muddled it up with NME?

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Post by: edon on March 20, 2021, 08:52:35 PM
First one that comes to mind for me is Garth Crooks introducing Killing Joke, sans Jaz Coleman. Just a perfect storm of weirdness in that moment alone.

I'm kind of hoping they've pulled the trigger on one of the 2000s editions - so many strange choices, especially when looked at from the perspective of what the show had been like for years by that point. I vaguely remember they tried to compete with CD:UK by adding interviews done in one of the bars at TV Centre, as well as filming performances on the roof of the building.

edit (new page bummerdog): or possibly one of the 1990s shows with equally strange moments involving the guest hosts. Lots to work with the more unusual cases of those, e.g. the cast of The Fast Show, Hale and Pace, Paul Kaye in full Dennis Pennis mode (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uR8HuwgLvDw), etc
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Post by: OnlyRegisteredSoICanRead on March 20, 2021, 09:27:31 PM
Can anyone remember if Melody Maker stopped censoring swear words?

David Stubbs' Wiki entry mentions that Mr. Agreeable's swear words were asterisked out to comply with IPC Media regulations [citation needed], but I have a memory of seeing full uncensored 'fucks' in MM in the last few years of its existence. Or have I muddled it up with NME?

I do remember one week they repeated a whole Mr. Agreeable a couple of months after it was originally printed, only with uncensored sweares.


It was funnier with the F***ing Cenorship
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on March 23, 2021, 08:58:30 AM
Listening back to episode #51. I love Taylor's affectionate description of Graeme Garden as "the Mike Nesmith of The Goodies, he's got that same knack of being able to behave absurdly while maintaining a basic dignity."
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Post by: non capisco on March 23, 2021, 09:33:54 AM
Listening back to episode #51. I love Taylor's affectionate description of Graeme Garden as "the Mike Nesmith of The Goodies, he's got that same knack of being able to behave absurdly while maintaining a basic dignity."

Can't remember the exact details but remember laughing at the bit about the strident revolutionary workers' song that had the same tune as the chorus of 'The Funky Gibbon'.
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Post by: Chicory on March 23, 2021, 10:10:05 AM
Smash, smash, smash the social contract (social contract!)
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on March 23, 2021, 10:17:21 AM
Smash, smash, smash the social contract (social contract!)

That's the one!
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Post by: boki on March 23, 2021, 12:21:34 PM
edit (new page bummerdog): or possibly one of the 1990s shows with equally strange moments involving the guest hosts. Lots to work with the more unusual cases of those, e.g. the cast of The Fast Show, Hale and Pace, Paul Kaye in full Dennis Pennis mode (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uR8HuwgLvDw), etc
Ooh, good point.  Chubby Brown at number one with Mark Lamarr and Jo Brand presenting, maybe?

I do remember one week they repeated a whole Mr. Agreeable a couple of months after it was originally printed, only with uncensored sweares.

It was funnier with the F***ing Cenorship
Agreed.  The flurry of asterisks only added to the impact of the OTT cussing.
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Post by: DrGreggles on March 27, 2021, 12:15:35 PM
Any CM fans missing Here Comes Quizm may be interested to learn that the latest instalment of my own Saturday night pop quiz* is tonight at 7:30pm.

Better quiz, worse host.

Come and join the 'fun'!


*endorsed with a book with a foreword by Paul Gambaccini
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Post by: dr beat on March 28, 2021, 04:39:37 PM
I've been thinking about which acts haven't featured on CMP so far - two that spring to mind, unless I'm mistaken, are Wham! and The Cure.  Also Talking Heads, who might be considered more of a Whistle Test band, but Once in a Lifetime and Road to Nowhere, were big UK hits, top 20 and top 10 respectively.
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Post by: Egyptian Feast on March 28, 2021, 04:51:41 PM
I'd love to hear their thoughts on one of the Associates appearances.

Have Roxy Music been discussed other than having a dalmatian that can write novels?
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Post by: bigfatheart on March 28, 2021, 04:58:01 PM
They've been mentioned briefly but they've never covered an episode with Dexys on.
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Post by: edon on March 28, 2021, 05:26:44 PM
I'd love to hear their thoughts on one of the Associates appearances.

The famous chocolate guitar performance of 18 Carat Love Affair would be the best Associates appearance for them to cover (and upon looking is also on an episode with Dexys, Yazoo, and Fun Boy Three, who all haven't been discussed either/only mentioned in passing), though Club Country and Party Fears Two are probably the better records.

It'd be good if Neil and Al were let rip on some more hip hop stuff, both the good and the bad. A takedown of Tupac would be even better than the Toyah one which I think he was briefly mentioned in, especially since he's still remembered pretty fondly by a fair amount of people involved in that music.
Title: Re: Chart Music Podcast 2 (Man Sound) - ITS PIPOU TIME!
Post by: Neomod on March 28, 2021, 07:36:06 PM
The famous chocolate guitar performance of 18 Carat Love Affair would be the best Associates appearance for them to cover.

Or the Club Country appearance where three violin toting zoo wankers try to outshine a glossy swim suited Martha Ladly and fail miserably.

By the by I always loved how the bass player extravagantly played those mad bass lines in their totp appearances.
Title: Re: Chart Music Podcast 2 (Man Sound) - ITS PIPOU TIME!
Post by: edon on March 29, 2021, 03:37:45 AM
Or the Club Country appearance where three violin toting zoo wankers try to outshine a glossy swim suited Martha Ladly and fail miserably.

IIRC that was on a Savile ep, so out of bounds for now unfortunately. The other performance of Club Country is a great one too though (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37xfcIZL0TU) - Billy and Martha dicking about with the prop microphones at the end, nice touches in the direction like the video effects after the "someone there" line, etc. Definitely would love them to cover the Associates now.
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Post by: Jockice on March 29, 2021, 09:07:31 AM
The famous chocolate guitar performance of 18 Carat Love Affair would be the best Associates appearance for them to cover (and upon looking is also on an episode with Dexys, Yazoo, and Fun Boy Three, who all haven't been discussed either/only mentioned in passing), though Club Country and Party Fears Two are probably the better records.

18 Carat Love Affair is my favourite Associates single. Not that the other two you've mentioned weren't fantastic as well. God, they were brilliant around that time. Sulk is still in my top ten albums ever.
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Post by: Crabwalk on March 29, 2021, 10:53:41 AM
Simon and Taylor on an Associates performance please. I would pay £20 on Patreon just for that to happen.
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Post by: Egyptian Feast on March 29, 2021, 03:00:44 PM
Associates truly are fucking mint. I've got 'Skipping' on at the moment and Billy's underwater Sean Connery impression is making me grin as ever.
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Post by: Neomod on March 29, 2021, 04:06:33 PM
I'm sure most of you have already but the Glamour Chase doc on Billy/The Associates is well worth a watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnSi2MNYYRA

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Post by: Egyptian Feast on March 29, 2021, 04:14:34 PM
I wasn't aware of it, so thanks for that!
Title: Re: Chart Music Podcast 2 (Man Sound) - ITS PIPOU TIME!
Post by: anxiousmofo on March 31, 2021, 12:17:08 PM
Rock expert David Stubbs

https://youtu.be/qkLeh-oOfd8

Marvellous bit of luck to retain that drop of “booze” on his chin.

Profoundly bald.
Title: Re: Chart Music Podcast 2 (Man Sound) - ITS PIPOU TIME!
Post by: sutin on March 31, 2021, 02:29:20 PM
Just started this from episode 1. The main host's accent is really weird but I like the show!
Title: Re: Chart Music Podcast 2 (Man Sound) - ITS PIPOU TIME!
Post by: famethrowa on March 31, 2021, 11:13:09 PM
Just started this from episode 1. The main host's accent is really weird but I like the show!

Well for future reference, consider how to pronounce the following bands:

Racey
Spandau Ballet
Tony Hadley
Title: Re: Chart Music Podcast 2 (Man Sound) - ITS PIPOU TIME!
Post by: edon on March 31, 2021, 11:19:57 PM
18 Carat Love Affair is my favourite Associates single. Not that the other two you've mentioned weren't fantastic as well. God, they were brilliant around that time. Sulk is still in my top ten albums ever.

It's still great but I've always thought it felt a little disjointed compared to the other two hits - that could have something to do with it only existing as a shorter instrumental track on Sulk beforehand, but then I also don't know if they already had it planned for a single release with added lyrics that far back. Either way, bloody love that album all the same too. Rankin and Mackenzie are absolutely due a glowing appraisal from CMP
Title: Re: Chart Music Podcast 2 (Man Sound) - ITS PIPOU TIME!
Post by: sweeper on April 01, 2021, 10:05:59 AM
Well for future reference, consider how to pronounce the following bands:

Racey
Spandau Ballet
Tony Hadley

Not forgetting Shah Waddeh Waddeh
Title: Re: Chart Music Podcast 2 (Man Sound) - ITS PIPOU TIME!
Post by: Brundle-Fly on April 01, 2021, 10:12:25 AM
And 'waistcoat' is pronounced 'weskett'.  Imagine never hearing CMP before and starting from ep 1 this week. The treasures that await!
Title: Re: Chart Music Podcast 2 (Man Sound) - ITS PIPOU TIME!
Post by: Camp Tramp on April 01, 2021, 02:22:23 PM
And 'waistcoat' is pronounced 'weskett'.  Imagine never hearing CMP before and starting from ep 1 this week. The treasures that await!

..and the quality of the show drastically improves after the first two episodes (and I enjoyed both of them)
Title: Re: Chart Music Podcast 2 (Man Sound) - ITS PIPOU TIME!
Post by: Uncle TechTip on April 01, 2021, 02:48:47 PM
"The Old Sailor". Took me several episodes to work this out, i missed the original reference.
Title: Re: Chart Music Podcast 2 (Man Sound) - ITS PIPOU TIME!
Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on April 01, 2021, 03:51:56 PM
Same here. I remember laughing to myself when the penny eventually dropped. I love how whenever Leo Sayer crops up, they just automatically refer to him as The Old Sailor without any explanation. The same goes for Comrade Shaky and his heterosexual rock and roll. And BA Cunterson, of course, although that one's self-explanatory.

I've spoilered all of that as I don't want to ruin the fun for CMP newcomers!
Title: Re: Chart Music Podcast 2 (Man Sound) - ITS PIPOU TIME!
Post by: DrGreggles on April 01, 2021, 03:57:15 PM
Because we all got on board at different times, we should do a CM Listen-Again-a-thon, starting with e1 and doing one or two a week.
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Post by: badaids on April 01, 2021, 07:20:02 PM
..and the quality of the show drastically improves after the first two episodes (and I enjoyed both of them)

Having listened to them all 5 times through now, the show doesn't work out what it is until about episode 5 and then really hits its stride about episode 13.  But imagine getting to start from episode 1 again with totally fresh ears!  Chart Music has become my most favorite thing in the world, just above On Cinema.
Title: Re: Chart Music Podcast 2 (Man Sound) - ITS PIPOU TIME!
Post by: Nice Relaxing Poo on April 01, 2021, 07:37:35 PM

Profoundly bald.

If he's got phimosis then he's a shoo in for a login on C&B.
Title: Re: Chart Music Podcast 2 (Man Sound) - ITS PIPOU TIME!
Post by: Neomod on April 01, 2021, 09:05:38 PM
Just started this from episode 1. The main host's accent is really weird but I like the show!

Just wait until you google what Al looks like. You will be SHOCKED!!
Title: Re: Chart Music Podcast 2 (Man Sound) - ITS PIPOU TIME!
Post by: sweeper on April 02, 2021, 10:35:41 AM
The 'Sikh lad out of Shah Waddeh Waddeh' is an early anecdote, isn't it? That remains my favourite CM thing.

I would happily Patreon a spinoff pod of Al describing his most vivid dreams.
Title: Re: Chart Music Podcast 2 (Man Sound) - ITS PIPOU TIME!
Post by: non capisco on April 02, 2021, 10:40:32 AM
The 'Sikh lad out of Shah Waddeh Waddeh' is an early anecdote, isn't it? That remains my favourite CM thing.

I would happily Patreon a spinoff pod of Al describing his most vivid dreams.

Still waiting on that Neil spin off podcast about crisps. I genuinely would listen to that, CMP crew, if you're reading.
Title: Re: Chart Music Podcast 2 (Man Sound) - ITS PIPOU TIME!
Post by: famethrowa on April 02, 2021, 01:29:19 PM
Still waiting on that Neil spin off podcast about crisps. I genuinely would listen to that, CMP crew, if you're reading.

Love our guy Neil, but I also love how he doesn't realise when rock stars are stringing him along in interviews or whatever. Like when he was convinced that some song was about him, had to ask the band years later, and took their jocular response as proof. Also when he was interviewing Slipknot fella on the phone, who "had a car accident" as he was talking to Neil. Yeah sure he did buddy, that's certainly not a wind-up.
Title: Re: Chart Music Podcast 2 (Man Sound) - ITS PIPOU TIME!
Post by: Brundle-Fly on April 05, 2021, 01:32:22 PM
Music cue query.

Does anybody know what music is used by Cuddly Ken when he introduces the New Releases section just after The DEEE-troit Spinners number? You only hear a brief snippet of psychedelic sounding rock but it sounds awesome. Probably another library track or maybe even CCS?

Thanks and an inappropriate arm around your shoulder and some innuendo in advance.
Title: Re: Chart Music Podcast 2 (Man Sound) - ITS PIPOU TIME!
Post by: boki on April 06, 2021, 11:07:54 AM
Like when he was convinced that some song was about him, had to ask the band years later, and took their jocular response as proof.

That wasn't a real band, it was a sketch on Goodness Gracious Me, and I think his case is pretty much rock solid if you go back and listen to it again.
Title: Re: Chart Music Podcast 2 (Man Sound) - ITS PIPOU TIME!
Post by: non capisco on April 06, 2021, 12:55:34 PM
Ha, yeah, I'm pretty certain that sketch is referencing Neil. They stopped just short of showing Sanjeev Bhaskar tanning a massive packet of Bobby's BBQ Sauce Snack Mix but otherwise....
Title: Re: Chart Music Podcast 2 (Man Sound) - ITS PIPOU TIME!
Post by: Shameless Custard on April 06, 2021, 01:22:28 PM
There must be a new one about to bubble to the surface? Seems like aaaaages since the last one!

In reality, it was probably about a month, but still
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Post by: DrGreggles on April 06, 2021, 03:13:50 PM
#58 was being recorded last week (according to Al's last Patreon update), so hopefully we'll be seeing that HFC gif very soon!
Title: Re: Chart Music Podcast 2 (Man Sound) - ITS PIPOU TIME!
Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on April 06, 2021, 04:53:47 PM
There must be a new one about to bubble to the surface? Seems like aaaaages since the last one!

In reality, it was probably about a month, but still

I'm jonesing for another episode too. Which is selfish and greedy of me, I know, as it must take Al ages to put these together.
Title: Re: Chart Music Podcast 2 (Man Sound) - ITS PIPOU TIME!
Post by: Brundle-Fly on April 06, 2021, 06:03:11 PM
It's because they are so long. In reality, we're getting anything up to four average length podcasts an episode.
Title: Re: Chart Music Podcast 2 (Man Sound) - ITS PIPOU TIME!
Post by: non capisco on April 06, 2021, 06:09:55 PM
I've started watching the TOTP episode in question before listening in preparation, can thoroughly recommend this method. The deferred gratification is worth it as you get extra yuks imagining what the contributors might have to say about some of the acts.
Title: Re: Chart Music Podcast 2 (Man Sound) - ITS PIPOU TIME!
Post by: dr beat on April 06, 2021, 06:14:57 PM
I like that idea!
Title: Re: Chart Music Podcast 2 (Man Sound) - ITS PIPOU TIME!
Post by: DrGreggles on April 06, 2021, 09:55:32 PM
I've started watching the TOTP episode in question before listening in preparation, can thoroughly recommend this method.

I've been doing this too and it's definitely worthwhile, but I kind of miss not knowing which acts are covered.
Title: Re: Chart Music Podcast 2 (Man Sound) - ITS PIPOU TIME!
Post by: DrGreggles on April 09, 2021, 10:18:41 AM
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/224412799900
Title: Re: Chart Music Podcast 2 (Man Sound) - ITS PIPOU TIME!
Post by: Satchmo Distel on April 09, 2021, 10:58:18 AM
I infer from the badge that Shaky is quite camp in how he plays the heterosexual rocker role to such an exaggerated degree. I can see how he was seen as a throwback antidote to the gender bending Human League et al, but it's pantomime.

Elvis originally was more ambiguous in gender and racial terms. He wore eyeliner (a trick borrowed from Tony Curtis) and bought his clothes from stores that catered mainly to black churchgoers like Lansky's.
Title: Re: Chart Music Podcast 2 (Man Sound) - ITS PIPOU TIME!
Post by: bigfatheart on April 09, 2021, 11:05:37 AM
Isn't the badge from his pre-fame days, early 70s? I think it's most likely an ill-advised backlash against glam.

Incidentally, pop-crazed youngsters, I had a very vivid dream about Simon Bates last night. I think[1] it's an omen that the Bates-signal could be in the sky very soon...
 1. or hope, I'm jonesing for Chart Music
Title: Re: Chart Music Podcast 2 (Man Sound) - ITS PIPOU TIME!
Post by: boki on April 09, 2021, 05:11:31 PM
What could it mean? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkMMJ5lWfIk)
Title: Re: Chart Music Podcast 2 (Man Sound) - ITS PIPOU TIME!
Post by: DrGreggles on April 10, 2021, 10:07:34 AM
BATES!
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Post by: non capisco on April 10, 2021, 10:08:26 AM
It's just dropped! Get in!

Oct 1980 ep, Taylor and ROCK EXPERT DAAAAAAVID STUUUUUUUUUBS!

Couldn't have come at a better time. I'm in dire need of a scabrous antidote to all this royal arse licking.
Title: Re: Chart Music Podcast 2 (Man Sound) - ITS PIPOU TIME!
Post by: OnlyRegisteredSoICanRead on April 10, 2021, 10:52:09 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4LXgIcbvME

Wonder if they could get a whole hour of top quality entertainment out of this guy's attire and attitude:

(https://i22.servimg.com/u/f22/19/92/48/87/screen93.png)


Oh, of course they can!


Title: Re: Chart Music Podcast 2 (Man Sound) - ITS PIPOU TIME!
Post by: non capisco on April 10, 2021, 10:54:52 AM
Oh jeez, it's that episode where Dave Lee Travis turns the studio floor into a car show, which seems to have the effect of making his hairy libido go off the scale and he's sexually inappropriate throughout, manhandling a disgusted looking Elkie Brooks and demanding "kissy-poo"s from audience members. Yeah, rich pickings for the gang in this one.
Title: Re: Chart Music Podcast 2 (Man Sound) - ITS PIPOU TIME!
Post by: Nice Relaxing Poo on April 10, 2021, 12:31:15 PM
If there's one thing that's guaranteed to cheer me up, it's 5 hours of Al, Taylor and Rock Expert David Stubbs verbally eviscerating the Hairy Cornflake. Surely their most broken in TOTP presenter punchbag or is that Edmonds?
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Post by: dr beat on April 10, 2021, 12:46:12 PM
3 minutes in and I've already loved David's Robin Askwith anecdote.  'Every morning he does a twitter search for 'Foucault'
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Post by: Chicory on April 10, 2021, 03:15:05 PM
It's just dropped! Get in!

This has saved a very depressing weekend. No TOTPs, no Pick of the Pops, no decent telly or radio, weather appalling, pubs still shut. Was considering putting together a petition to get dear old Greggles out of quiz retirement. Thank you Al, you beautiful bald bastard. The year they're covering seems to be an era they all have a natural affinity for.  Mint and indeed, skill.
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Post by: boki on April 10, 2021, 03:42:35 PM
Fuck me, this really is peak DLT. Just the audio from these links is making my skin crawl.
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on April 10, 2021, 03:43:00 PM
Yeah, this is a perfectly timed gift. Cheers, Al!
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Post by: shiftwork2 on April 10, 2021, 04:08:50 PM
A ray of sanity breaks through the clouds.  Hosts and vintage are exquisite, and the motor show bollocks on top oh this is going to be one to savour.
Title: Re: Chart Music Podcast 2 (Man Sound) - ITS PIPOU TIME!
Post by: non capisco on April 10, 2021, 05:04:19 PM
Especially enjoyed Taylor's glee about how short the singer of Air Supply is. "I found out his name is Russell, like the noise from the long grass that lets his bandmates know he's approaching."
Title: Re: Chart Music Podcast 2 (Man Sound) - ITS PIPOU TIME!
Post by: DrGreggles on April 10, 2021, 05:05:58 PM
Slating DLT will never get boring.
Title: Re: Chart Music Podcast 2 (Man Sound) - ITS PIPOU TIME!
Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on April 10, 2021, 05:20:08 PM
Slating DLT will never get boring.

He's the hairy gift that keeps on giving. As mentioned on the previous page, he's particularly vile in this episode. When he started speaking in a sleazy French accent to those women, I automatically shouted "FUCK OFF" at an empty room. Talk about hiding in plain sight, his 'handsiness' was always there for all to see.
Title: Re: Chart Music Podcast 2 (Man Sound) - ITS PIPOU TIME!
Post by: DrGreggles on April 10, 2021, 05:21:51 PM
Great line from Taylor about Andy McClusky dancing like "he'll lose money if anyone thinks he's cool".
Title: Re: Chart Music Podcast 2 (Man Sound) - ITS PIPOU TIME!
Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on April 10, 2021, 05:37:58 PM
Their evisceration of that nauseating moment where DLT sexually harasses Elkie Brooks (and all her looks) is great.
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on April 10, 2021, 06:55:04 PM
Matthew Waterhouse!!
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Post by: non capisco on April 10, 2021, 07:04:21 PM
Their evisceration of that nauseating moment where DLT sexually harasses Elkie Brooks (and all her looks) is great.

Elkie Brooks and all her yeuuuuchhhhs

Title: Re: Chart Music Podcast 2 (Man Sound) - ITS PIPOU TIME!
Post by: bigfatheart on April 10, 2021, 07:23:36 PM
Lovely episode. Always good to hear DLT get the shoeing he so richly deserves, and it was funny how surprised Rock Expert David Stubbs sounded when he realised he was the one defending OMD. Nice running theme of Taylor defending things that nobody was expecting him to defend (Streisand, Ottawan, Kelly Marie), although it might be one of his bleakest contributions yet. I do hope he's OK.
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on April 10, 2021, 07:44:45 PM
it might be one of his bleakest contributions yet. I do hope he's OK.

I hope so too, he's a good and incredibly funny person, but he definitely exaggerates his - clearly genuine - misery for comic effect, e.g. "It's a funny old world, I'll be glad to leave it."

It's something most of us do on here, really. Making dark, self-deprecating jokes as a way of coping with the grinding futility and madness of it all. That said, I hope Taylor is aware that his brilliant writing and hilarious contributions to Chart Music have brought a lot of pleasure to people. He's both mint and skill.


This post looks like a redacted FBI file. Sorry about that.
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Post by: Satchmo Distel on April 10, 2021, 09:09:56 PM
Their evisceration of that nauseating moment where DLT sexually harasses Elkie Brooks (and all her looks) is great.

But if they are going down that dark road, why still ignore Saville because he's too dark a topic to touch? If they can adapt their conversation to DLT essentially committing sexual assault on air, they can adapt to the elephant in the room when they do a Saville episode, especially when Parkes and Stubbs are the guests (I can fully understand Sarah not wanting to go there).
Title: Re: Chart Music Podcast 2 (Man Sound) - ITS PIPOU TIME!
Post by: bigfatheart on April 10, 2021, 09:36:47 PM
I hope so too, he's a good and incredibly funny person, but he definitely exaggerates his - clearly genuine - misery for comic effect, e.g. "It's a funny old world, I'll be glad to leave it."

It's something most of us do on here, really. Making dark, self-deprecating jokes as a way of coping with the grinding futility and madness of it all. That said, I hope Taylor is aware that his brilliant writing and hilarious contributions to Chart Music have brought a lot of pleasure to people. He's both mint and skill.


This post looks like a redacted FBI file. Sorry about that.

Oh, of course, I do so too. It's mostly that some of it - stuff like sitting in his flat reflecting on everything he'd ever done wrong - hit a bit close to home, I suppose.

FWIW I love spoilering the fuck out of my Chart Music posts, because it lends them an import they wouldn't otherwise have.

But if they are going down that dark road, why still ignore Saville because he's too dark a topic to touch? If they can adapt their conversation to DLT essentially committing sexual assault on air, they can adapt to the elephant in the room when they do a Saville episode, especially when Parkes and Stubbs are the guests (I can fully understand Sarah not wanting to go there).

I do wonder if this episode was a tentative step in that direction - seeing how well they coped with something that's a bit Savile-lite. I think it is doable, but it's a very fine needle to thread - as people have said, when you're watching a Savile episode you're possibly watching a crime scene. They'd have to absolutely hit the right tone, and Savile does cast a shadow over any episode he hosts. Like I say, it can be done - I thought they did a good job of identifying Travis' 'moves', and when you watch Savile you can see similar techniques that they could discuss - but I can understand why it'd be a daunting task for them.
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on April 10, 2021, 10:52:21 PM
Oh, of course, I do so too. It's mostly that some of it - stuff like sitting in his flat reflecting on everything he'd ever done wrong - hit a bit close to home, I suppose.

It does hit close to home, I agree. As a washed-up middle-aged journalist myself, I relate to Taylor's grimly amusing tales of living alone with a cat while watching episodes of obscure German '70s pop shows in the regrets-fueled dead of night. He always makes me laugh whenever he describes his miserable life; catharsis, I suppose.
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Post by: Johnboy on April 11, 2021, 03:13:24 AM
Haven't dived in yet but.. Parkes and Stubbs - just the tonic.
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Post by: beanheadmcginty on April 11, 2021, 03:59:17 AM
I think Stubbsy has really warmed into his role in the past few appearances. Understands and plays to his strengths.
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Post by: Epic Bisto on April 11, 2021, 08:52:12 AM
Bloody hell!  DLT at his worst, Ottawan and Matthew Waterhouse!  We’ve been spoilt with this episode.
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Post by: Satchmo Distel on April 11, 2021, 10:32:29 AM
It does hit close to home, I agree. As a washed-up middle-aged journalist myself, I relate to Taylor's grimly amusing tales of living alone with a cat while watching episodes of obscure German '70s pop shows in the regrets-fueled dead of night. He always makes me laugh whenever he describes his miserable life; catharsis, I suppose.

But neither you nor Taylor could have known when you chose it that journalism was a career that would be killed by digital media, and the political climate would shift so far rightwards that there would be few financially viable outlets for good writing. We all make mistakes but beating ourselves up for being born in the wrong time and place is pointless. I think fretting over the past is how I try to displace current anxieties but it never works, just creates more ulcers.

Sorry if that sounds like unwanted advice but it's germane to the issues Taylor's contributions throw up, as you point out.
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Post by: rilk on April 11, 2021, 12:05:13 PM
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/224412799900

This went for £33 in the end! Hope it's gone to a good home
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Post by: Better Midlands on April 11, 2021, 02:25:25 PM
But (no Gen X'ers) could have known when (they) chose ......a career that (it) would be killed by digital.

Sadly this is coming home to roost for too many.
Title: Re: Chart Music Podcast 2 (Man Sound) - ITS PIPOU TIME!
Post by: Rizla on April 11, 2021, 03:19:25 PM
But if they are going down that dark road, why still ignore Saville because he's too dark a topic to touch? If they can adapt their conversation to DLT essentially committing sexual assault on air, they can adapt to the elephant in the room when they do a Saville episode, especially when Parkes and Stubbs are the guests (I can fully understand Sarah not wanting to go there).
This again! Do you honestly not see the difference? Allow me to quote myself here

...all of the other nonces mentioned faced justice in their lifetimes, whilst he went to the grave having never answered to a single one of his terrible crimes. His many many victims were denied closure. Discussing him might be seen as insensitive to said victims, as well as raking over ashes that have been raked enough. Consign the evil cunt to history's dustbin, I say.

It's one thing joking around DLT's workplace bullying and handsiness, quite another when it's one of the most evil sick abusive monsters this country has ever produced, a Giles De Rais wannabe nightmare who basically groomed a nation. Far far too traumatic a subject for a funny podcast.

There are no yuks to be mined about this horrific monster. None. A huge number of his victims, and their families, are still dealing with the trauma he inflicted.
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Post by: Brundle-Fly on April 11, 2021, 03:54:56 PM
It's more than just a 'funny podcast'. I think Savile should be covered in just one episode as I want to hear their take on it. Get the bastard out the way, and move on. They can signpost the episode with a Savile warning if people don't want to listen to hear him being discussed.
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Post by: Satchmo Distel on April 11, 2021, 06:20:42 PM
Do a special edition on him, not a TOTP episode coat-down but a serious discussion between Al, Taylor and Stubbs.
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Post by: Rizla on April 11, 2021, 06:25:18 PM
I dunno. What possible new angle is there to be gleaned? It's a question of taste, decency and respect, for the victims, their families, not to mention us, the audience.

Round the time that DLT was done for indecent assault (of a researcher on the Mrs Merton Show), my band were doing an interview thing at a small BBC studio local to where we were playing that night. We were discussing the case (off air) amongst ourselves, and the studio manager, a guy of around Travis's vintage who was clearly as much a built-in feature of the place as the GPO-style patchbays, weighed in to inform us that transgressions such as those of which the hairy cornflake had just been found guilty, were, in their day, very much par for the course and, for women in the workplace, to be expected and put up with. We got the distinct impression that the guy rather missed those halcyon days, before political correctness went mad. To his credit, however, he took pains to point out out that Savile was a horse of a different colour, whose particular indiscretions, whilst an open secret, were deemed "a bit much, even back then".
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Post by: Brundle-Fly on April 11, 2021, 06:53:40 PM
I dunno. What possible new angle is there to be gleaned? It's a question of taste, decency and respect, for the victims, their families, not to mention us, the audience.


If they were being glib about his depravity, then yes it would be insensitive but the memory of Top Of The Pops has been tarnished (not just by Savile) and I think this issue should finally be addressed by them. They often show such insight into the culture of the time and I'd be fascinated to hear someone like Tayler Parkes eloquently dismantle that toxicity.
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Post by: Satchmo Distel on April 11, 2021, 07:05:25 PM
Rizla, your argument is strong and powerful but I can see ways of analyzing Savile without injuring his victims. Make it a Patreon only special and clearly state a content warning. Obviously, don't have the usual features like the eeey-ooop intro and the Top 10. Discuss why nobody sussed out what he was doing, and, if they did, why they didn't come forward. Ask to what extent the culture of the time enabled Savile's crimes. Analyze whether this tarnishes the whole legacy of TOTP rather than just the episodes he hosted. If those questions are never discussed, I do feel that we have an elephant in the room that won't go away and it will seem as though the podcast has bottled it on the most crucial issue in the history of the programme.

Back to this episode: I'm an hour in (I have reached the Burchill singles review) and it's easily been the most enjoyable preamble I can ever remember. Taylor is absolutely magnificent and Stubbs is happy to play second fiddle but still has some great observations. Sadly, however, this is clearly a painful moment for Taylor, as he notes how Burchill et al were raking in tons of cash for taking a contrarian stance (which is like a license to print money for not much work) whereas now they'd be on the dole.

Episode: https://mega.nz/folder/h0snQACa#uiNNqosfbdrfzODHsE1clw/folder/ZgcFgCqJ
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on April 11, 2021, 10:17:17 PM
But neither you nor Taylor could have known when you chose it that journalism was a career that would be killed by digital media, and the political climate would shift so far rightwards that there would be few financially viable outlets for good writing. We all make mistakes but beating ourselves up for being born in the wrong time and place is pointless. I think fretting over the past is how I try to displace current anxieties but it never works, just creates more ulcers.

Sorry if that sounds like unwanted advice but it's germane to the issues Taylor's contributions throw up, as you point out.

No, it's fine, you're absolutely right. Getting into music journalism* in the mid-90s seemed like a good idea at the time, and I know I'm very fortunate to still be making some sort of living from it in 2021. And I don't really dwell negatively on the fact that I backed the wrong horse, because for the most part I enjoy what I do and, to be perfectly honest, I'm in no way equipped to do anything else.

Thank you, though, I appreciate that post.

* And, since 2006, TV criticism.
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on April 11, 2021, 10:26:03 PM
Rizla, your argument is strong and powerful but I can see ways of analyzing Savile without injuring his victims. Make it a Patreon only special and clearly state a content warning. Obviously, don't have the usual features like the eeey-ooop intro and the Top 10. Discuss why nobody sussed out what he was doing, and, if they did, why they didn't come forward. Ask to what extent the culture of the time enabled Savile's crimes. Analyze whether this tarnishes the whole legacy of TOTP rather than just the episodes he hosted. If those questions are never discussed, I do feel that we have an elephant in the room that won't go away and it will seem as though the podcast has bottled it on the most crucial issue in the history of the programme.

I agree with this.
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Post by: non capisco on April 11, 2021, 11:14:30 PM
I don't see how they can't eventually deal with Savile in some form, a Patreon extra outside of the usual format could well be the way to go. They nearly went there when they discussed the suicide of Claire McAlpine which was sensitively done. But, yeah, you wouldn't want all the usual light hearted 'eyyyy up you pop crazed youngsters' stuff going side by side with a detailed discussion of what that evil cunt did.
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Post by: Satchmo Distel on April 12, 2021, 12:26:32 AM
The Claire McAlpine episode is difficult but, yes, I think they got that right by separating it from the rest of the content quite neatly. It also helps that Blackburn was quite restrained in his presenting style in that period and doesn't come across even now as pervy in his approach to female audience members (patronizing certainly but in more of a Noel Edmonds way than a DLT gropey one). Blackburn exploited the sexual opportunities his fame gave him but there's no evidence that it wasn't with consenting adults only; he didn't seem to use his actual presenting job for grooming minors.
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Post by: Satchmo Distel on April 12, 2021, 02:00:26 PM
The hostility towards OMD is very harsh.
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Post by: DrGreggles on April 12, 2021, 02:42:45 PM
Not if you don't like OMD.
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Post by: Chriddof on April 12, 2021, 04:12:49 PM
I think what Taylor doesn't get about OMD is the whole hauntological creepiness of the band's work from this time. The immense eeriness about "Enola Gay" (and the accompanying video with its endless 16mm clouds and harsh monocolour video overlays) is what drew me to them, and which is fully expressed on Dazzle Ships. (It's further mined by their 21st Century effort, English Electric.) Stuff like the shortwave radio idents and all that, basically, makes them a different proposition to the Human League. Saying that it isn't as slick as Dare misses the point.
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Post by: Satchmo Distel on April 12, 2021, 04:44:43 PM
They're a great singles band at the very least.
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Post by: non capisco on April 12, 2021, 05:38:43 PM
'Telegraph' off Dazzle Ships is a belter. I love 'Souvenir' as well, even though the main thing it reminds me of is that scene in Spaced with Tony Way. 'Oh, go on then, I'll have a half.' 'It's a mint.' 'Yeah, I'll have...half a mint.' I have a soft spot for 'Talking Loud And Clear' as well, once correctly identified by someone on here from my vocaroo impression when I was trying to figure out what it was.

I do concede it's better when you're just listening to them and you can't see Andy McLuskey's antics, though.
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Post by: Seedsy on April 12, 2021, 06:18:30 PM
They're a great singles band at the very least.

Absolutely, not listened to the podcast, but fuck me I thought enola gay would hit the gangs sweet spot.
I think their early singles are up there.
Do you think it's maybe because they all love the human league, and are big fans of Phil oakey, and he has always had a bit of an axe to grind with OMD that's where the hostility is coming from.
I was only born in 1981. I just love both bands. HL have a bit more substance, and a classic album in Dare. But still. Bit disappointed if OMD get a kicking ha
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Post by: Bellalunaesme2 on April 12, 2021, 07:23:07 PM
We probably just got the combination of contributors who would be most likely to give OMD a kicking. I'd imagine that Pricey, and maybe Sarah, would have defended them had they been on this episode.
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Post by: Campbell Soupe on April 12, 2021, 08:02:07 PM
Yeah, I was surprised...and yes, a little disappointed by the slating OMD got.  Their early run of singles were great.  Admittedly they took a turn for the bland after being stung by the failure of Dazzle Ships and started chasing the American buck.  Yes, they were pretentious and never remotely”cool”, but having a go at McClusky’s dancing is very fish/barrel.  It’s hard to fault their knack of crafting catchy, haunting, weird pop songs.  Their recent stuff isn’t half bad either, and a bit of a return to early form...
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Post by: Seedsy on April 12, 2021, 08:20:19 PM
I've alway thought dazzle ships was the 80s "kid A" or much discussed CaB band mansuns "six" 
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Post by: non capisco on April 12, 2021, 11:12:49 PM
I've alway thought dazzle ships was the 80s "kid A" or much discussed CaB band mansuns "six"

Yeah, listened to it again today and Dazzle Ships is pretty fuckin ace. Genetic Engineering is up there with the best career suicide lead off singles. They also let Martha Ladly name two of their albums and she seemed like the coolest woman on the planet to me when I was watching the 1982 TOTP repeats.
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Post by: jamiefairlie on April 13, 2021, 04:20:33 AM
early OMD's image of themselves was always out of kilter with the public's expectations. They saw themselves as art post-punks more akin to Joy Division or Cabaret Voltaire, whereas the public saw them as Depeche Mode. His dancing is no more silly than Ian Curtis but the lens it's viewed through is diametrically opposite.

Everything they did up to and including Dazzle Ships has really great moments, afterwards though....grim.
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Post by: Chicory on April 13, 2021, 10:27:31 AM
There are some gems from their extra uncool period. 'Pandora's Box' is fun sophisto-disco and 'Forever Live And Die' is a lovely bit of proto dream pop.
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Post by: DrGreggles on April 13, 2021, 10:29:37 AM
Dazzle Ships is decent, and they had a few good singles before that, but there's something about OMD that I can't get on board with - even though I love so much Eighventies electronic music.

Not sure McCluskey's dancing is comparable to Curtis' though.
Curtis looked more like he'd been taken over by the song and, like Sister Sledge, was lost in the music.
McCluskey looked like a man who can't dance trying to dance.
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Post by: Seedsy on April 13, 2021, 06:37:25 PM
I really hope Taylor is okay as well. Surely after the exposure of chart music, someone will pay him to write a book on whatever subject he wants to write about.
The guy is a genuine maverick.
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Post by: shiftwork2 on April 13, 2021, 07:36:32 PM
Who doesn't like Enola Gay?  Now they're just being silly.
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Post by: Nice Relaxing Poo on April 13, 2021, 08:25:55 PM
Enola Gay is one of the defining songs of the early 80s. Absolute banger.
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Post by: Campbell Soupe on April 13, 2021, 09:03:53 PM
It’s never ever gonna fade away...
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Post by: Rizla on April 13, 2021, 09:37:46 PM
Come on, that song's so boring and uncool it should be called Enola Straight.
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Post by: bigfatheart on April 13, 2021, 10:09:57 PM
All I know is I've had Enola Gay in my head since Saturday, and every time it leaves I come back to this thread and it plunges, unbidden, like DLT's hand plunging around the waist of a reluctant audience member, back into my psyche. I'm boycotting this thread until it's safe to return.
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on April 13, 2021, 11:28:32 PM
I would just like to add my voice to the chorus of approval for Enola Gay and imperial phase OMD in general. They really were a great singles band. Al and Taylor's blanket dismissal of them was surprising, but that's part of the fun of Chart Music - you just never know what those crazy cats are going to come out with next.

And I agree that OMD would've been more warmly received if Pricey, and possibly Neil or Sarah too, had been on that episode.
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Post by: buzby on April 14, 2021, 11:30:46 AM
Yeah, I was surprised...and yes, a little disappointed by the slating OMD got.  Their early run of singles were great.  Admittedly they took a turn for the bland after being stung by the failure of Dazzle Ships and started chasing the American buck.
I've only heard the first part (and the slating Hazel O'Connor got in the NME Singles Review column irked me, especially when they were pushing fucking Toyah in the same issue), but McCluskey has said that when DinDisc folded after the success of Architecture & Morality and they were moved onto Virgin, they were asked how they worked and basically said, 'we'll contact you when we are ready to record to tell you what studio and engineer we want, you pay for it we'll deliver the album and it will sell millions'. Their new A&R manager said to them  ‘Come on guys, are you Stockhausen or ABBA?’, to which their answer was  ‘Can’t we be both?’.

They then delivered Dazzle Ships, and after the critical mauling it got and it's commercial failure,  Virgin decided some changes were in order and kept them on a shorter leash. The band themsleves also got scared, and decided 'Let's abandon Stockhausen for a bit and become ABBA', which worked  and got them back in the charts, but it was very much a personal and commercial compromise for them.

It also needs to be remembered that they had signed a notoriously poor contract with DinDisc in the first place - a royalty rate of 4% in Europe and 6% elsewhere, and the producer got a 4% royalty that came out of the band's share. They then had to pay back recording costs, advances, tour support, the rest of the band’s wages out of their remaining point(s) - they are quoted as saying 'For every £1 Virgin gave us, they took back £3'. They were still living with their parents and couldn't afford mortgages after Architecture & Morality had sold over 3 million copies.

Virgin did exactly the same thing to The Human League with Crash, which was a Jam & Lewis album that they had very little input on, which they were strongarmed into releasing against their will.
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Post by: badaids on April 14, 2021, 04:39:38 PM
I really hope Taylor is okay as well. Surely after the exposure of chart music, someone will pay him to write a book on whatever subject he wants to write about.
The guy is a genuine maverick.

I've been thinking recently, not for the first time, that I'd like to email Taylor and ask him what book he wants to write :  I'll sort out the crowdfunder for him. But i wonder if there's some issue or blockage which has stopped him from doing it already...  He's often, generically, mentioned his mental health issues, and is the most closed on his (present) private life. When the rest of the gang plug their own books, or club nights or podcasts, Taylor is always quiet, or, worse, bitter. Podcasting it seems is the perfect channel for his talents, but the worst paying and most prostitutional for him. Regarding himself he's a closed book is Taylor.

As for this episode I've seen its got Army Dreamers in it, which I totally love, and I'm a bit afraid that they'll give Kate Bush a good kicking. So im putting off listening as its stressing me a smidge. So ill finish my 5th listen through of all the episodes first.

But basically Chart Music is the best thing ever isn't it ?  My life, genuinely, would be a lot worse without it.
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Post by: Nice Relaxing Poo on April 14, 2021, 05:40:45 PM
I'm about halfway through now and I have had to mute all the DLT interactions with laydeez as they're so teeth grindingly awful that I just can't listen.
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Post by: shiftwork2 on April 14, 2021, 06:06:59 PM
The Hairy Cuntflake is knocking it out of the park on this ep.  Foetid.
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Post by: Camp Tramp on April 14, 2021, 07:23:08 PM
I've been thinking recently, not for the first time, that I'd like to email Taylor and ask him what book he wants to write :  I'll sort out the crowdfunder for him. But i wonder if there's some issue or blockage which has stopped him from doing it already...  He's often, generically, mentioned his mental health issues, and is the most closed on his (present) private life. When the rest of the gang plug their own books, or club nights or podcasts, Taylor is always quiet, or, worse, bitter. Podcasting it seems is the perfect channel for his talents, but the worst paying and most prostitutional for him. Regarding himself he's a closed book is Taylor.

As for this episode I've seen its got Army Dreamers in it, which I totally love, and I'm a bit afraid that they'll give Kate Bush a good kicking. So im putting off listening as its stressing me a smidge. So ill finish my 5th listen through of all the episodes first.

But basically Chart Music is the best thing ever isn't it ?  My life, genuinely, would be a lot worse without it.

Taylor doesn't seem to have much of an online presence.

Maybe get in touch with Al on Facebook and Twitter to ask if Taylor is receptive to the idea? Al is normally very approachable. I'd like to see Taylor write something about British television.
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Post by: jamiefairlie on April 14, 2021, 09:53:05 PM
Taylor doesn't seem to have much of an online presence.

Maybe get in touch with Al on Facebook and Twitter to ask if Taylor is receptive to the idea? Al is normally very approachable. I'd like to see Taylor write something about British television.

I'd love to see him write about the evolution of British culture from the 60s through to the present day.
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Post by: Crabwalk on April 14, 2021, 11:20:17 PM
Taylor doesn't seem to have much of an online presence.

Maybe get in touch with Al on Facebook and Twitter to ask if Taylor is receptive to the idea? Al is normally very approachable. I'd like to see Taylor write something about British television.

Taylor’s active on Facebook too, for the record.
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Post by: non capisco on April 14, 2021, 11:48:32 PM
For anyone who hasn't read it  Taylor's ace Quietus piece about series 1 of The Professionals  (https://thequietus.com/articles/14873-the-professionals). I'd definitely shell out for a Patreon of more of that kind of thing.
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Post by: dr beat on April 16, 2021, 07:52:27 PM
If/when I become Controller of Radio 4, I am absolutely inviting Taylor to read out the Wikipedia entries for Terry and June episodes.  With a tolling bell in the background.  Who needs A Book At Bedtime?
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Post by: Neomod on April 16, 2021, 10:57:10 PM
That's the second time Taylor's used the Freddie and the Dreamers burn.

Fucking hack.

[winking emoji]
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Post by: Egyptian Feast on April 17, 2021, 08:16:04 PM
Great episode, despite OMD wrongness.

I really hope Taylor is present when a Nicky Campbell episode is finally covered. That unearned smugness is long overdue a DLT-style evisceration. Many of the recent 1990 repeats would be rich pickings for the CM crew. They haven't  covered Anthea Turner yet either, have they?
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on April 17, 2021, 08:30:47 PM
For anyone who hasn't read it  Taylor's ace Quietus piece about series 1 of The Professionals  (https://thequietus.com/articles/14873-the-professionals). I'd definitely shell out for a Patreon of more of that kind of thing.

Ta, I've never read that before. Brilliant stuff, as always.

"Since they couldn't yet afford to shoot on location in central London, things keep kicking off in leafy corners of the Home Counties: Amersham, Rickmansworth, Burnham Beeches. You can barely move on the mean streets of Marlow for left-wing extremists with fluttering accents, hanging out the side of Cortinas, pumping bullets into startled golfers."

I'd gladly punt a few quid his way for some more of this stuff too. Just imagine it, an epic sociopolitical post-war history of Britain shot through the prism of Patrick Mower and Rula Lenska.
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Post by: bigfatheart on April 17, 2021, 08:31:26 PM
I really hope Taylor is present when a Nicky Campbell episode is finally covered. That unearned smugness is long overdue a DLT-style evisceration. Many of the recent 1990 repeats would be rich pickings for the CM crew. They haven't  covered Anthea Turner yet either, have they?

Nope - here's a list of presenters who did 10 or more episodes that they haven't covered:
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Post by: Rizla on April 17, 2021, 08:38:05 PM
I really hope Taylor is present when a Nicky Campbell episode is finally covered. That unearned smugness is long overdue a DLT-style evisceration.

Didn't Campbell get mentioned at some point, with one of the hosts opining they suspected him to be "on the side of the angels", or am I thinking of another podcast? Either way, and as irksome a presence as he may have been[1], it's a tad harsh lumping him in with the likes of Travis, fair's fair.

 1. And always was - "an irritating little shit", according to my Granddad, who was his secondary school art teacher.
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Post by: Brundle-Fly on April 18, 2021, 01:11:08 AM
Taylor doesn't seem to have much of an online presence.

Maybe get in touch with Al on Facebook and Twitter to ask if Taylor is receptive to the idea? Al is normally very approachable. I'd like to see Taylor write something about British television.

I suggested this very thing back in August, funnily enough.

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The audiobook* I'd like to hear from Taylor would be an analysis of 20th-century terrestrial television during the 50s/60s/70s/80s before satellite dishes came along. There would be individual chapters on drama, comedy, news, science, music etc. It could be called Taylor Parkes' Aerial View. Would you read that?

To be honest, I read books by any of them. Stubbsy's tome is very good.



*I say audiobook because you have to have his dour tones for the full Parkes effect. Like the way, he emphasises any alternative with a pronounced 'OR'
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Post by: Egyptian Feast on April 18, 2021, 02:20:04 AM
Didn't Campbell get mentioned at some point, with one of the hosts opining they suspected him to be "on the side of the angels", or am I thinking of another podcast? Either way, and as irksome a presence as he may have been[1], it's a tad harsh lumping him in with the likes of Travis, fair's fair.
 1. And always was - "an irritating little shit", according to my Granddad, who was his secondary school art teacher.

I refuse to be fair to Nicky Campbell. I'd offer him a cigarette and punch him in the jaw instead of lighting it. I'd push him over while a mate leant down behind him. I'd pay a desperate tattoo artist to kidnap him and turn him Liberal Democrat yellow so everybody could see his true colours. I'd pretend to recognise him in the street and say "I'm thrilled to meet you, Mr. Leslie". I'd write 'CUNT' on a banana and stick it in the exhaust pipe of his poncy car. I'd lock him in a shipping container and play the Bombalurina album at top volume until he confessed to masterminding 9/11 during his mid-morning phone-in stint at 5 Live.
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Post by: Dusty Substance on April 23, 2021, 11:54:00 AM
Another great episode of CM, even though the episode of TOTP in question was a bit of a stinker. Nothing else to add to DLT's leering and seediness other than how cringingly gross it was, even on an audio medium. And cars can fuck off, too.

Was surprised at the lukewarm response to Enola Gay, a truly brilliant single which still goes down incredibly well all ages whenever I drop it in a DJ set.

D.I.S.C.O is one of my very earliest memories and it's a song that I'll always have a fondness for, even if it's extremely unlikely I'll ever put it on and listen to it out of choice. Never realised there was another Kelly Marie disco tune (and  fucking loooovvveeee Feels Like I'm In Love) so will be sure to keep an eye for that one on 7"/12".

Always great to hear Kate Bush - Army of Dreamers is only two minutes long? Good grief.

Having bought Barbra Streisand's Guilty album last year, I found myself agreeing with Taylor's monologue in defence of Woman In Love.

Now it's the long, long wait until the next episode.
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Post by: boki on April 23, 2021, 03:08:18 PM
Was surprised at the lukewarm response to Enola Gay, a truly brilliant single which still goes down incredibly well all ages whenever I drop it in a DJ set.

I think it's just a bit of a Marmite song. I've always found it annoying in a way I can't quite quantify.  It's objectively very well done and that, but... 

It's him, isn't it?  Must be.
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Post by: non capisco on April 24, 2021, 12:15:59 AM
It's him, isn't it?  Must be.

He does have the face of Keith Harris.

THE FACE OF KEITH HARRIS!
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Post by: dr beat on April 24, 2021, 12:41:04 AM
THE FACE OF KEITH HARRIS
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Post by: Johnboy on April 28, 2021, 02:35:48 PM
I don't mind Andy mccluskey, he was good in the Synth Pop Britannia doc but the only OMD record I have is Souvenir which the other lad sings.

Army Dreamers is a few seconds under 3 minutes.
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Post by: Natnar on April 28, 2021, 03:19:46 PM

Army Dreamers is a few seconds under 3 minutes.

The single version is even longer than 3 minutes since it fades out early on the album. Taylor didn't do his homework on this occasion.
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Post by: Brundle-Fly on April 28, 2021, 05:25:28 PM
I'm with Al on Army Dreamers. One of my favourites by KB but then I'm always a sucker for a pop song in waltz time.

BTW, what was the meaning behind the Air Supply/ Patrick Troughton in-joke Taylor mumbles purely for the Whovian loser massive? The other Matthew Waterhouse in-joke he makes sounded a bit iffy. Was this alluding to that old Doctor Who producer come predator?
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Post by: Camp Tramp on April 28, 2021, 06:11:49 PM
I'm with Al on Army Dreamers. One of my favourites by KB but then I'm always a sucker for a pop song in waltz time.

BTW, what was the meaning behind the Air Supply/ Patrick Troughton in-joke Taylor mumbles purely for the Whovian loser massive? The other Matthew Waterhouse in-joke he makes sounded a bit iffy. Was this alluding to that old Doctor Who producer come predator?

In the "Wheel In Space" there is a flub from Troughton when he mentions turning on the sexual air supply.

With Adric I think he merely had an erection while suspended in a web by The Master.
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Post by: Brundle-Fly on April 28, 2021, 09:56:08 PM
Ha! Thanks Tramp.
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Post by: OnlyRegisteredSoICanRead on April 28, 2021, 09:59:10 PM
(https://i22.servimg.com/u/f22/19/92/48/87/dw-cas10.jpg)

Is that a tissue compression eliminator in your pocket are you just pleased to see me?
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Post by: non capisco on April 28, 2021, 10:25:31 PM
Well, The Master is undeniably well fit.
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Post by: beanheadmcginty on April 29, 2021, 12:41:12 PM
Master baiter
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Post by: Jockice on April 30, 2021, 06:43:59 AM
It does hit close to home, I agree. As a washed-up middle-aged journalist myself, I relate to Taylor's grimly amusing tales of living alone with a cat while watching episodes of obscure German '70s pop shows in the regrets-fueled dead of night. He always makes me laugh whenever he describes his miserable life; catharsis, I suppose.
Have you been spying on me? Again!
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Post by: Jockice on April 30, 2021, 06:49:57 AM
They're a great singles band at the very least.

Great or crap. Only the Pet Shop Boys have swung so much between singles I've absolutely loved and absolutely hated. Incidentally, I've interviewed McCluskey a couple of times and he reckons his dancing is on the beat and just not random flailing. So now you know.
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Post by: Jockice on April 30, 2021, 06:54:16 AM
I've alway thought dazzle ships was the 80s "kid A" or much discussed CaB band mansuns "six"

Yes! It's always been near the top of my most underrated albums ever list. I think it's great, even though a relation of mine who like me was a fan of their earlier stuff, describes it as 'the beginning of the end.'
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Post by: phantom_power on April 30, 2021, 09:33:54 AM
Souvenir is a shimming beauty of a song that stands head and shoulders above the rest of their output. I like some of their other songs but that really is the pinnacle of their icy, haunting style of that period
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Post by: Natnar on April 30, 2021, 10:49:28 AM
Yes! It's always been near the top of my most underrated albums ever list. I think it's great, even though a relation of mine who like me was a fan of their earlier stuff, describes it as 'the beginning of the end.'

If they had released Telegraph as the first single then i think it would have been a big hit.
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Post by: Dusty Substance on April 30, 2021, 07:23:54 PM

If live music ever makes a return to Plague Island (proper live music), I highly recommend catching OMD live. I saw them a few years back and they were excellent. They did all the big singles and, as far as I can remember, there was no "Here's one from our latest album" that we all hate to hear from legacy acts.

As for McCluskey's dancing - Yeah, it was somewhere between Vic Reeves and Ian Curtis  but he kept it up for two solid hours which is pretty good going for a 60 year old.
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Post by: Brundle-Fly on April 30, 2021, 08:29:53 PM
there was no "Here's one from our latest album" that we all hate to hear from legacy acts.

Depends on how much one is a fan of the legacy act, I suppose? Personally, I sometimes prefer hearing the new material more than the old hits.
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Post by: dr beat on May 01, 2021, 12:08:42 AM
CMP people, I'm putting this out here because I feel *you know*.  I'm putting this out here also because the last few CMPs have Quo-heavy.  Y'know, I used to think the greatest thing in Pop was the Quo vs Scooter, and in some ways, I stand by that.  See for yourself:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0DTm_bWEjs

But then, on finding one of my go-to tracks to decompress after a heavy snooker session, I stumbled across Maddy vs Rossi and it lifted my heart with joy.  And I mean that, all around:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVsEJytTP2U

Quo vs...well, who needs the Marvel Comics Universe, when we have the CMP universe! Two Man Sound versus...who? (Not - The Who).


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Post by: Satchmo Distel on May 01, 2021, 12:38:19 AM
The official Quo Youtube site is blocked in the US for some reason.

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The uploader has not made this video available in your country.
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Post by: Jim_MacLaine on May 01, 2021, 01:43:21 AM
Rubbish TOTP article which fails to mention the CMP.
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2021/apr/30/chart-music-top-of-the-pops-nostalgia

Two mentions of it in the comments though. Cabbers?
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Post by: eifion on May 01, 2021, 08:49:09 AM
Two mentions of it in the comments though. Cabbers?

One of them was me. I've not posted on the Guardian website for years but I'll do it for Chart Music.
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Post by: Brundle-Fly on May 01, 2021, 10:17:26 AM
Opening line. 'For many of us, it was the soundtrack to our childhood'

God, I hate that expression with a passion.

 File alongside: 'It was the decade taste forgot', 'What were we thinking?' ' What's not to fucking like? and 'No, right to be that good'
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Post by: badaids on May 01, 2021, 10:24:48 AM
Rubbish TOTP article which fails to mention the CMP.
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2021/apr/30/chart-music-top-of-the-pops-nostalgia

Two mentions of it in the comments though. Cabbers?

The first thing I did when I saw the article was to search it for ‘podcast’ (nothing) and then ‘needham’ (nothing too). Read the article then, it was toss, and straight to the comments and search for chart music. Pleased to see the 6 or so references at least a couple must be cabbers.

Fancy doing an article about TOTP today and not including, or even  knowing about CM.
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Post by: OnlyRegisteredSoICanRead on May 01, 2021, 11:53:47 AM
They don't even know what year they're repeating.
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Post by: justin_bennett on May 19, 2021, 01:30:02 PM
For anyone with Al Needham withdrawal symptoms, he is a guest on the latest episode of a podcast called "David Lichfield's Stormers (https://open.spotify.com/episode/1JhMXJicFGUmlYJyYF1QrP?si=a5e3b18725ad4ea1)". 

Had never heard of it before and no wonder - it is atrocious.  The host has zero presentation skills and it's essentially a Spotify radio show of tracks from 1988.  Al comes in after a bit and his chat is split into 3 parts.  It's painful though - the mumbling, personality-free host talks over him, and there are loads of moments when Al trips up, pauses, and re-does a bit - presumably so that the host cunt can edit it out only he leaves it all in.

The Al chat is in 3 sections: 

- 1988 number ones (painful, goes on too long but Al is great and tolerates the host)
- Chart Music chat for anyone who hasn't heard what it's about
- Al's 90s career in grot-mags and Channel 5 (well worth a listen)

Anyway, worth a punt for the CMP superfans...
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Post by: non capisco on May 19, 2021, 01:51:04 PM
For anyone with Al Needham withdrawal symptoms, he is a guest on the latest episode of a podcast called "David Lichfield's Stormers (https://open.spotify.com/episode/1JhMXJicFGUmlYJyYF1QrP?si=a5e3b18725ad4ea1)". 
Had never heard of it before and no wonder - it is atrocious.  The host has zero presentation skills and it's essentially a Spotify radio show of tracks from 1988.  Al comes in after a bit and his chat is split into 3 parts.  It's painful though - the mumbling, personality-free host talks over him, and there are loads of moments when Al trips up, pauses, and re-does a bit - presumably so that the host cunt can edit it out only he leaves it all in.

Yeah, as much as I love Al I had to bail on this for exactly the reasons stated above. It's a strange mix of 'not edited at all' (as justin says, Al's clearly leaving edit points for the guy after he slightly fluffs a sentence, which if nothing else goes to show how much work is actually involved in editing a podcast so it flows smoothly. This guy has just left everything in so Al sounds like the "I'm gonna get the papers, get the papers" bloke from Goodfellas) and intrusive moments that seem to be mistakes like a song suddenly crashing in mid anecdote and the anecdote never being returned to after the song finishes. Might go back for the grot mag/Channel 5 bit. The 1988 number ones bit was the only bit I heard and that is extremely stilted. After that song crashed in mid-story and then back to more awkward mumbling from his nibs I'd had enough. 
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Post by: sweeper on May 20, 2021, 12:42:01 PM
Do you get the full songs if you're a Spotify subscriber? Because I just got ten second bursts when I listened to this.

Added to the previously mentioned fact that the songs crash in mid-sentence, the unedited edit points, the flatness of the host, the audibly huge delay between him and Al, the palpable lack of any point for the show, and the way it sounds like it was recorded to cassette on an old answering machine, this makes for quite an avant-garde listening experience, except nowhere near as good as that sounds. Just really abrasive and unsettling.

What a strange object.
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Post by: justin_bennett on May 20, 2021, 09:54:45 PM
Do you get the full songs if you're a Spotify subscriber? Because I just got ten second bursts when I listened to this.


Yep - I skipped through all that to get to the Al bits, then hurriedly left.
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Post by: Camp Tramp on May 21, 2021, 08:45:52 AM
I did rather enjoy listening to Sister's Of Mercy and the podcast played Whitney Houston's best tune but yes, the presentation left a lot to be desired.

However, I do bear in mind that good editing equipment might not be available? Chartmusic has become a lot more polished as time has gone by.
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Post by: Better Midlands on May 21, 2021, 07:52:22 PM
However, I do bear in mind that good editing equipment might not be available? Chartmusic has become a lot more polished as time has gone by.

You can make a great sounding podcast using Audacity (https://www.audacityteam.org/download/) which is free. Al's skills have no doubt improved over time now that he has done so many.
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Post by: Egyptian Feast on May 24, 2021, 06:03:55 PM
It's back! No spoilers.
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Post by: Satchmo Distel on May 24, 2021, 06:08:22 PM
Get the fuck in.
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Post by: DrGreggles on May 24, 2021, 06:13:55 PM
Coincidentally I checked if we were due one soon this very morn!
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Post by: shiftwork2 on May 24, 2021, 06:15:04 PM
Will you cunts stop bumping unless there's....ooooohh yes baby
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Post by: Camp Tramp on May 24, 2021, 06:30:09 PM
I'm delighted, absolutely delighted.
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Post by: non capisco on May 24, 2021, 06:36:04 PM
That was out of the blue! Mint and skill!
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Post by: Beep Cleep Chimney on May 24, 2021, 06:38:38 PM
FIVE AND A HALF HOURS.  Fuckin’ get in.
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Post by: Rizla on May 24, 2021, 06:50:09 PM
Yes this looks a good one and no mistake. 2nd (oh, maybe joint 1st on a good day) favourite host combo and prime weekly-watch TOTP era for me.
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on May 24, 2021, 06:59:32 PM
Woohoo!!!
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on May 24, 2021, 09:15:08 PM
Al on that terrible-looking new Sex Pistols drama: "I wonder if there's a bit where they call Bill Grundy a freakin' ass-munch?"
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Post by: Epic Bisto on May 24, 2021, 09:52:12 PM
WAHEY!!

They’re on fire on this one and I’m barely two hours in: Tribal People React To Wagon Wheels, a Major Benest reference and the Finnish lad asking TP “is Paul Lester a twat?”
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Post by: Rizla on May 25, 2021, 12:17:10 AM
Ha! Tim Barr of Dunfermline in the letters page of the MM, I know that bloke, music writer himself (think our Jockice used to work with him?). TP unimpressed by his contribution.
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Post by: Egyptian Feast on May 25, 2021, 12:23:22 AM
I only got about 45 mins in tonight, but watched the TOTP episode just now. Interesting choice with plenty for them to get stuck into. Rarely have I seen such a gulf in quality between two consecutive acts, with one of the worst songs ever recorded followed by one of the very best singles of the 80s, with an awesome studio performance from the Iads. I only discovered tonight that Gary Cooper was Mudbone in Bootsy's Rubber Band, which makes him doubly cool as fuck.

Looking forward to hearing their thoughts on those two and the lesser Fox.
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Post by: Uncle TechTip on May 25, 2021, 08:05:25 AM
No need to use spoilers, I still have no idea which artists you mean.
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Post by: Jockice on May 25, 2021, 08:42:35 AM
Ha! Tim Barr of Dunfermline in the letters page of the MM, I know that bloke, music writer himself (think our Jockice used to work with him?). TP unimpressed by his contribution.

The name doesn't ring a bell I'm afraid. Not to say that our paths haven't crossed at some point but he seems to have left as much of an impression on me as I undoubtedly have on him.

I have been in the same pub as Paul Lester though, although we didn't actually meet as such. I kept quiet while he was telling all and sundry about how he could make or break bands. Hmm. Yes mate, whatever you say.
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Post by: Epic Bisto on May 25, 2021, 09:52:46 AM
Just got to the Top 10 rundown and the disgraceful absence of Nu Shooz on this episode was made up for by “SHARRUP YER BLOOD CLOT!”.  Thanks Al for making me burst out laughing in front of my work colleagues.
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Post by: boki on May 25, 2021, 12:49:17 PM
WAHEY!!

They’re on fire on this one and I’m barely two hours in: Tribal People React To Wagon Wheels, a Major Benest reference and the Finnish lad asking TP “is Paul Lester a twat?”
Not to mention some crisps chat from Neil.
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Post by: non capisco on May 25, 2021, 12:51:52 PM
Only just past the preamble but this is magic so far. Taylor's first crush story is very funny and extremely relatable.
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Post by: Egyptian Feast on May 25, 2021, 01:10:52 PM
Almost too relatable. I could visualise that scene in the bedroom in full HD. "At least I didn't make a fool of myself!" *shudder*
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Post by: boki on May 25, 2021, 01:28:36 PM
It's just occurred to me that I actually saw this TotP episode when it aired.  It was the "suggestive" link that reminded me.
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Post by: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on May 26, 2021, 05:04:13 AM
Was surprised at the lukewarm response to Enola Gay, a truly brilliant single which still goes down incredibly well all ages whenever I drop it in a DJ set.

I just grit my teeth and write it down to them reliving the playground politics of their youth. Imagine being a professional pop music critic and thinking "Enola Gay" is a bad song.
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Post by: boki on May 27, 2021, 10:02:22 AM
Mork & Minder really should have been a thing.
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Post by: non capisco on May 27, 2021, 10:22:42 AM
Glad 'Let's Go All the Way' by Sly Fox got a unanimous thumbs up, cracking tune.

The incredibly grim contents of girls' comics was a classic Taylor episode tangent. The amount of time he spends wading through the detritus of the pop cultural past for this podcast is commendable. Brilliant sung callback from Al as well.
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Post by: phantom_power on May 27, 2021, 10:59:50 AM
Not happy with their Housemartins dismissal. It sort of suggested that neither of them had really listened to any of their songs beyond a couple of singles
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Post by: Neomod on May 27, 2021, 02:01:05 PM
Taylor's 'Indie band's best looking female mate in 60's clothes' did make me chuckle and reminded me instantly of this banger from The Pale Fountains that introduced my teenage self to the charms of Marina Van Rooy...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6RFhVib1uw

 
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Post by: boki on May 27, 2021, 05:02:58 PM
Quite surprised to learn that 70 Gwen Party did three Peel Sessions.  I assumed from the way the lads talked about them bombarding the MM with demos that they never got beyond that stage.
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Post by: OnlyRegisteredSoICanRead on May 27, 2021, 06:35:54 PM
4.

(https://img.discogs.com/-CT6z1ANmFI58bpAwNhIFZ4TpTg=/fit-in/598x600/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-837075-1292223140.jpeg.jpg)
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Post by: Crabwalk on May 27, 2021, 10:57:15 PM
I have been inside Cheryl Baker’s house and can exclusively reveal that

1) It looks like it was decorated in the 90s and
2) She’s a Daily Express subscriber

She is nice though.
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Post by: Rizla on May 27, 2021, 11:05:50 PM
The name doesn't ring a bell I'm afraid. Not to say that our paths haven't crossed at some point but he seems to have left as much of an impression on me as I undoubtedly have on him.
Ah soz. Well I'm sure it was someone on here who used to be a newshound of some description - some joke about his name sounding like a lumberjack's warning cry.
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Post by: buzby on May 28, 2021, 08:57:31 AM
Loved Taylor's TV pitch ideas and his first crush story (which then got a nice callback to Peanuts). Not surprised people from ATVLand don't remember Rock Around The Dock, but it's fondly remembered in Granadaland. It was actually made to celebrate Granada opening their first location Liverpool, when they moved their news studio to the newly-restored Albert Dock, much to Tony Wilson's chagrin (followed a couple of years later by the This Morning studio elsewhere in the dock warehouse). I've mentioned before on here that The Damned's performance of Eloise with the Liverpool Phil orchestra (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPURt3YiIeo) was far superior to to the version they put out, but the audio from it has never been released (presumably because it was owned by Granada).

Granada had put on something similar a couple of years earlier with New Brghton Rock (https://www2.bfi.org.uk/films-tv-people/4ce2b74ba81fe), which was recorded at the New Brighton open-air baths (now a Morrisons, sadly).
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Post by: boki on May 28, 2021, 10:06:35 AM
4.
Fuck my hat.
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Post by: easytarget on May 29, 2021, 07:37:11 AM
As a huge fan of Cathedral it wasn't fun to hear a tale of Lee Dorian threatening to glass our Neil, he seemed to take it well though.
"I've met posher". Indeed.
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Post by: Chriddof on May 29, 2021, 01:35:35 PM
I had to look up the "Disco Joker" comp mentioned by Neil, and found that the Smiths track (which was Panic, as Neil said) is at the start of Side B. The same side ends with... All Night Holiday by Russ Abbot.

Also the artwork reminded me of mediocre to actively bad ZX Spectrum / C64 budget software covers. And I did like the bold choice to basically bisect the second word in the logo with some "As Seen On TV" branding (only in Portuguese, obv.). See it all here:

https://www.discogs.com/Various-Disco-Joker/release/2691275 (https://www.discogs.com/Various-Disco-Joker/release/2691275)
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Post by: jamiefairlie on May 29, 2021, 04:32:19 PM
Another great episode. I genuinely believe Taylor Parkes is the finest and most insightful cultural analyst the UK has. His description of his first crush was so accurate and his dissection of the UK's attitude to sex (as part of the Sam Fox bit) was also bang on. An actual national treasure.

The Housemartins section was a bit of a misfire for me. there seems to be a bit of received wisdom in the group that their shared liking for 80s indie is now something to be embarrassed about and that really it was all about Prince, hip-hop and America. I don't see it that way and, in their own way, Heaton & co were challenging the norms of mid-80s big-hair, leather & lace pomposity in a way that made me feel represented in what felt like a cultural/values battle in which we had few visible symbols to cheer on.
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Post by: phantom_power on May 29, 2021, 04:53:06 PM
They criticised them for almost playing at protest and not being angry enough, or couching their socialism in too much pop but songs like Flag Day, The People Who Grinned Themselves to Death, Build and Sheep are pretty clear in their intentions even if the melodies are poppy. Not every political song has to be McCarthy
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Post by: phantom_power on May 30, 2021, 06:10:24 PM
I think they are completely wrong about Max Headroom, and again in a way that suggests they didn't really watch it. The initial film is a great bit of dystopian sci-fi and the character in the pop video TV series is actually pretty fun, far more than the technological trickery and glitches that they make it out to be. He is wry and funny and most of the criticisms they level at his personality are either completely wrong or deliberately there to be made fun of. It is the curse of the critic, to feel you have to have an opinion on everything, regardless of how ill-remembered it might be to you
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on May 30, 2021, 07:11:08 PM
It was a bit like when Pricey had a go at Loadsamoney, in a way that suggested he either never watched him on Friday Night Live or had completely forgotten what the point of the character was. Which is fine insomuch as the gang can't be expected to hold forth knowledgably on every single aspect of popular culture, that's an unreasonable demand, but it does become a bit irksome when they blatantly get something wrong.

The best thing to do in a situation like that would be to explain why you thought the Loadsamoney record was shite, while also pointing out that you don't really remember the character's other appearances on TV. There's no shame in that!
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Post by: non capisco on May 30, 2021, 07:15:20 PM
I was just slightly surprised that Neil had never heard of the Max Headroom signal hijacking incident. I'm almost jealous, what a fascinating thing to be introduced to.

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Post by: phantom_power on May 30, 2021, 07:20:39 PM
I mean Parkes pretty much admitted he didn't watch Headroom at the time because of a misguided idea that it was just "yank stuff like American football" and then proceeds to discuss him at length.

I imagine if you only saw him on adverts and the odd appearance you might think he was shit but at least say that is what you are basing it on and move swiftly on. Don't come up with a dissertation on why he is shit and what it means in popular culture when you are basing it on totally false research
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Post by: dr beat on May 30, 2021, 07:55:21 PM
I don't think they really talked much about Max Headroom did they? Certainly not a dissertation.  A bit 'yeah he was a bit shit cos he's American', the signal hijacking and then a bit about Art of Noise. 

And The Housemartins? The Tribe of Toffs its ok to like if you ask me ;)
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Post by: DrGreggles on May 30, 2021, 07:57:55 PM
The Housemartins were great and Happy Hour is one of the best indie pop singles of the 80s. #HotTake
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on May 30, 2021, 08:01:50 PM
I don't think they really talked much about Max Headroom did they? Certainly not a dissertation.  A bit 'yeah he was a bit shit cos he's American', the signal hijacking and then a bit about Art of Noise. 

That's true, the Max Headroom chat was quite brief, but I agree with phantom-power in that, whenever they're confronted with something they don't know much about, it's perfectly okay to admit that.

Although to be fair, Taylor, as you say, did admit that he made a snap judgement about Headroom back in the '80s and never paid much attention to him. And Neil obviously wasn't arsed about him either.

I'm not sure what my point is now...
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Post by: dr beat on May 30, 2021, 09:31:02 PM
I'm not sure that admitting a lack of knowledge and saying I don't know makes for entertaining listening though.  I've been put off by more than one podcast when the hosts say something like 'ok so what do we know about such-and-such? Hmm, well according to IMDB (read it off)'...[1]

I much prefer them articulating their responses to something as they view it[2], as they are an eloquent bunch even if we may not always agree.  And you can't accuse them of never doing their research.  Certainly not Taylor with his paper-shuffling.
 1. Ok I know the CMP lot do admit to using Wikipedia but there's much more else going on
 2. (not in 'An American REACTS' way obv)
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on May 30, 2021, 10:44:30 PM
I agree, but the Chart Music format allows plenty of room for discussion of a particular song and performance without them feeling the need to hold forth on tangential aspects they don't know much about. As I say, it's okay to present an opinion while also adding that you're not an expert and as such may have overlooked some wider context.

This is a very minor complaint, and I'm certainly not accusing them of scrimping on research! One of the joys of this podcast is the way they can spark up a conversation about whatever's put in front of them. They never just mumble "Yeah, that was alright I suppose." Heaven forfend.
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Post by: non capisco on May 30, 2021, 10:54:29 PM
Defo think we're due another slightly spiky Sarah and Taylor match up, as much as I love Team ATV and they're pretty much always my favourite episodes the one slight drawback for a historic pop cultural critique podcast is that they agree on everything.
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on May 31, 2021, 12:24:39 AM
Yeah, Sarah disagreeing with Taylor is always great. They obviously all get on, but she's the only one who ever says, "No, that's bollocks."

Taylor's misanthropy and forthright opinions are very funny, and I know it's comedically performative to a certain extent, but Sarah is the only member of the gang who challenges him.
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Post by: Dusty Substance on May 31, 2021, 09:45:56 AM

Got pack from an afternoon on the beach yesterday and thought I'd listen to Part One of #59. Five and a half very quick hours later and I'd binge listened to the whole lot.

Taylor and Neil are (I think) my favourite combination and this was another great episode, even if the music line up was less than stellar. Had no idea the 'Orrible Being Eight and a Half song existed and I must have heard the WHAM song before but don't remember it being a Was Not Was cover.


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Post by: phantom_power on May 31, 2021, 11:01:10 AM
I don't remember that song but they are wrong (again, sorry) about Edge of Heaven. It is a banger
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Post by: Jockice on May 31, 2021, 01:32:39 PM
They criticised them for almost playing at protest and not being angry enough, or couching their socialism in too much pop but songs like Flag Day, The People Who Grinned Themselves to Death, Build and Sheep are pretty clear in their intentions even if the melodies are poppy. Not every political song has to be McCarthy

McCarthy could be very poppy too. Charles Windsor could easily have been a Housemartins song. I do remember back in the day some ultra-indie types went off the 'Martins as soon as they became a chart band and did things like make silly videos and mess around on TV. The likes of McCarthy though were somehow seen as pure because they didn't have hits. Myself, I loved both bands.
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Post by: phantom_power on May 31, 2021, 01:40:30 PM
Oh yeah I love McCarthy but they were very blatant in their agit-pop stylings and though they could be poppy there was always an uncommercial edge to their music. I saw an old interview with them recently where some of the members seemed to be struggling with the idea of being more commercial to get their message across better or to be "ideologically pure" and just preach to the converted. I think in the end they chose the latter and never really let their pop side flourish.
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Post by: EOLAN on May 31, 2021, 02:21:33 PM
Still have to catch up on latest but finished the David Lee Travis one. Sometimes when I did zone out; I got a little confused as for some reason I thought they were telling an anecdote about John Peel, Kylie Minogue and the band (or lead singer) from Travis getting in an elevator. Rightly taking him down but even in audio format the misogynistic groping of DLT on its own was getting quite exhausting. 
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Post by: DrGreggles on May 31, 2021, 05:21:36 PM
Oh yeah I love McCarthy but they were very blatant in their agit-pop stylings and though they could be poppy there was always an uncommercial edge to their music. I saw an old interview with them recently where some of the members seemed to be struggling with the idea of being more commercial to get their message across better or to be "ideologically pure" and just preach to the converted. I think in the end they chose the latter and never really let their pop side flourish.

McCarthy didn't have songs as good as The Housemartins though, which I suspect was the crucial difference.
Heaton has never always played 'populist', but he could churn out a hit when needed.
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Post by: Dusty Substance on May 31, 2021, 06:39:35 PM

Can not believe there's a band calling themselves "Sly And The Family Drone". The fucking audacity.
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Post by: Jockice on May 31, 2021, 07:11:07 PM
McCarthy didn't have songs as good as The Housemartins though, which I suspect was the crucial difference.
Heaton has never always played 'populist', but he could churn out a hit when needed.
Plus The Housemartins really wanted mainstream success, whereas McCarthy didn't. Heaton wanted his band to sound like a poppier version of the Buzzcocks, which they did. Sometimes.
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Post by: OnlyRegisteredSoICanRead on May 31, 2021, 07:13:49 PM
McCarthy were pop, a slightly adult orientated kinda pop, just like the Housemartins, but they just weren't very good at  it.
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Post by: DenzilHolles on May 31, 2021, 10:17:35 PM
Taylor is astonishing. He comes up with about a dozen lines per episode that absolutely floor me and are right up there with the best of all my comic heroes.
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Post by: badaids on May 31, 2021, 10:26:57 PM
Taylor is astonishing. He comes up with about a dozen lines per episode that absolutely floor me and are right up there with the best of all my comic heroes.

I can remember the precise moment that I got hooked on Chart Music.  It was when Taylor, almost apologetically, not unkindly, blurts that Ian Hunter is what Robert Plant looks like to a dog.  There are hundreds of lines now like that of his that kill me, not to mention his rants on the likes of Geldof, Hynde, Toyah, and his amazing cultural verbal-essays.  I often wonder why out of all the contributors he is the one that doesn't have any projects going on.  Maybe it's the mental health issues he references that are blocking, or perhaps it's just that the podcast format is the one best suited to his talents.  Feels mean to say this, but without Taylor Chart Music wouldn't behalf the podcast it is.
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Post by: Auntie Beryl on May 31, 2021, 10:36:54 PM
It's not reflection on the rest of the gang, but if it's a Taylor episode then I'm looking forward to it just that little bit more.
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Post by: famethrowa on June 01, 2021, 01:18:46 AM
His Charlie Brown routine was a properly formed comedy bit, perfectly framed and placed as funny darkness. "Your so-called cry for help..."
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Post by: DenzilHolles on June 01, 2021, 01:54:53 AM
I just got a bit carried away and told Taylor on Facebook that he was ace. I'm a bit embarrassed! I don't remember laughing as much as anything as I did about what he said about Paul Heaton. They're all national treasures.
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Post by: DenzilHolles on June 01, 2021, 01:59:55 AM
Does anyone know of any previous episodes where Taylor talks about being adopted?

He said something in the latest episode about it, about being self-reflective - it was deeply profound, and I'd love to hear more.
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on June 01, 2021, 02:50:02 AM
I loved their discussion about which Monkee should play each character in Monkey.

Dolenz as Monkey
Nesmith (with his 'diagnoburns') as Sandy
Tork as Pigsy
Jones as Tripitaka


Perfect.
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Post by: famethrowa on June 01, 2021, 03:04:45 AM
I can't believe how wrong you all are. Dolenz is an obvious Pigsy, Nez as Monkey, Tork /Sandy and Davy as TT. Their nature was ..... irrepressible!
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on June 01, 2021, 03:20:19 AM
Nooooooo!! Let's not fall out over this, but Dolenz - despite his undeniable resemblance to Pigsy - embodies the anarchic spirit of Monkey. It's a role he was born to play. Sandy was rather acerbic and deadpan, so that's the perfect role for Nez. Tork - the daft one - is a shoe-in for Pigsy. At least we can agree that pretty boy Davy would look rather fetching as Tripitaka.
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Post by: jamiefairlie on June 01, 2021, 03:51:03 AM
No, you’re quite wrong! Dolenz is obviously Pigsy. Nesmith is Monkey, Jones tripeywhatsit and Tork the horse or Sandy.
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on June 01, 2021, 04:08:22 AM
Well this is just a saga now.
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Post by: jamiefairlie on June 01, 2021, 05:16:14 AM
Indeed! I must clarify though that when I say Pigsy, I do of course refer to the proper one and not that awful counterfeit they brought in later.
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Post by: badaids on June 01, 2021, 04:55:45 PM
Does anyone know of any previous episodes where Taylor talks about being adopted?

He said something in the latest episode about it, about being self-reflective - it was deeply profound, and I'd love to hear more.

There’s one from about 1973 where he talks about it being a good year as the UK avoided a military coup and he was adopted thus saving him from the horror of growing up in a 1970s UK institution.
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Post by: boki on June 01, 2021, 04:57:50 PM
Can not believe there's a band calling themselves "Sly And The Family Drone". The fucking audacity.
They're great live, but I think Al's probably wise to give them a wide berth.  I reckon Neil and David might get something out of their mix of skronky sax, noisy electronics and pounding drums, though.
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Post by: Nice Relaxing Poo on June 01, 2021, 04:59:43 PM
I'm only a couple of hours in but the discussion concerning the correct material to tighten around the base of the penis when doing a spot of male stripping is quite something. What a podcast.
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Post by: Jockice on June 01, 2021, 06:41:53 PM
I don't remember laughing as much as anything as I did about what he said about Paul Heaton.

What Shaun Ryder looks like to a dog?
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Post by: jamiefairlie on June 01, 2021, 07:42:33 PM
I'm only a couple of hours in but the discussion concerning the correct material to tighten around the base of the penis when doing a spot of male stripping is quite something. What a podcast.

Had to skip that bit, made me feel a bit faint <shudder>
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Post by: Brundle-Fly on June 01, 2021, 08:10:27 PM
Yeah, Sarah disagreeing with Taylor is always great. They obviously all get on, but she's the only one who ever says, "No, that's bollocks."

Taylor's misanthropy and forthright opinions are very funny, and I know it's comedically performative to a certain extent, but Sarah is the only member of the gang who challenges him.

I think Al stands up to all of them too. He's quite vocal if he still likes things that they're all coating down with the benefit of hindsight or looking through the prism of today's values. He definitely the grit in the oyster.
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on June 01, 2021, 08:26:15 PM
Fair point, yes. Al is always happy to go against the grain if he likes something.
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Post by: Brundle-Fly on June 01, 2021, 09:39:55 PM
Although, 'grit in the oyster' is probably the wrong term for an already quite gritty oyster. I dunno, 'the common touch'? meant in the most complimentary way ever.
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Post by: Johnboy on June 02, 2021, 08:58:51 PM
Great episode. The combination of Neil and Taylor who are the same age doing a year they would remember well is dynamite. And Al is consistently hilarious.

Another up vote for max headroom  played that video a fair bit.
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Post by: non capisco on June 02, 2021, 09:07:05 PM
I've spent so many hours in their audio company now that I laugh out loud fondly at little things like Al sounding genuinely disappointed that Neil doesn't grunt when he plays tennis.

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Post by: buzby on June 03, 2021, 09:17:25 AM
Point of order Al - Force 8, who recorded the original verison of New Beginning, were not a Dooleys spinoff group. Jim Dooley was involved, as were a load of session musicians an a Liverpool band called Spooky. I got the full SP straight from the producer's mouth (https://www.cookdandbombd.co.uk/forums/index.php/topic,68779.msg3629770.html#msg3629770) when this episode cropped up in the TOTP repeats.

I was glad they didn't give Sly Fox a coating down, but can't believe CaptainKulk hadn't noticed Let's Go All The Way was 'heavily influenced' by I Am The Walrus (you need to read the TOTP thread (https://www.cookdandbombd.co.uk/forums/index.php/topic,68779.msg3637792.html#msg3637792) for the episode, Neil!). I was disappointed that Max Headroom and The Art Of Noise got coated down though, with them seemingly missing the point of Max's character entirely.
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Post by: SteveDave on June 03, 2021, 09:19:17 AM
Taylor is astonishing. He comes up with about a dozen lines per episode that absolutely floor me and are right up there with the best of all my comic heroes.

The one that still sticks in my mind is "I've driven more beautiful women away than a Swedish undertaker"
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Post by: non capisco on June 03, 2021, 09:21:22 AM
"Dusty Shelbyville" was another recent all timer.
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Post by: shiftwork2 on June 03, 2021, 09:40:21 AM
Point of order Al - Force 8, who recorded the original verison of New Beginning, were not a Dooleys spinoff group. Jim Dooley was involved, as were a load of session musicians an a Liverpool band called Spooky. I got the full SP straight from the producer's mouth (https://www.cookdandbombd.co.uk/forums/index.php/topic,68779.msg3629770.html#msg3629770) when this episode cropped up in the TOTP repeats.

I remember Force 8 being played a huge amount on Liverpool local radio stations at the time.
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Post by: phantom_power on June 03, 2021, 12:50:26 PM
Point of order Al - Force 8, who recorded the original verison of New Beginning, were not a Dooleys spinoff group. Jim Dooley was involved, as were a load of session musicians an a Liverpool band called Spooky. I got the full SP straight from the producer's mouth (https://www.cookdandbombd.co.uk/forums/index.php/topic,68779.msg3629770.html#msg3629770) when this episode cropped up in the TOTP repeats.

I was glad they didn't give Sly Fox a coating down, but can't believe CaptainKulk hadn't noticed Let's Go All The Way was 'heavily influenced' by I Am The Walrus (you need to read the TOTP thread (https://www.cookdandbombd.co.uk/forums/index.php/topic,68779.msg3637792.html#msg3637792) for the episode, Neil!). I was disappointed that Max Headroom and The Art Of Noise got coated down though, with them seemingly missing the point of Max's character entirely.

I think they also fundamentally get Art of Noise wrong, claiming they are smug and clever, clever when I think they are more playful and fun
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Post by: dr beat on June 03, 2021, 03:25:53 PM
So that Claire and Friends follow-up - a Laurie Anderson cover?
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Post by: dr beat on June 03, 2021, 03:28:09 PM
Fuck me, speaking as a SalSoul disco devotee, Taylor's absolutely spot on about Barbra's Shake Me Wake Me (When Its Over).  Paging discogs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ub1QSoHI9hI
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Post by: non capisco on June 03, 2021, 04:49:04 PM
So that Claire and Friends follow-up - a Laurie Anderson cover?

It's 'orrible being in love when you're eight and a ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Bothering posting this shite mainly to get rid of the edit glitch. Sorry, everyone.
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on June 03, 2021, 05:20:25 PM
The one that still sticks in my mind is "I've driven more beautiful women away than a Swedish undertaker"

That's such a perfectly formed deadpan one-liner, worthy of Les Dawson at his best.
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Post by: non capisco on June 03, 2021, 05:29:30 PM
From when they were talking about possible dodgy themes in Michael Jackson songs.

AL: I don't want to look too closely into 'Ben'.
TAYLOR: That's not what he said.
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on June 03, 2021, 05:37:51 PM
Taylor delivering hokey Trad. Arr. gags is always a hoot.

He did it again in the most recent episode, when they were talking about Samantha Fox: "Sure, she had her knockers..."
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Post by: Chicory on June 05, 2021, 12:54:29 PM
Excellent episode - chalk me up as another ATV Eyes fanboy.  Also, I'm fascinated by Neil's accent.  Is that proper dyed-in-the-wool Cov?  I've known a fair few Coventarians in my time and none of them did that Y for an H thing, where 'humour' becomes "yumour" and 'huge' becomes "yuge". 
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Post by: kidsick5000 on June 05, 2021, 04:19:07 PM
I loved their discussion about which Monkee should play each character in Monkey.

Dolenz as Monkey
Nesmith (with his 'diagnoburns') as Sandy
Tork as Pigsy
Jones as Tripitaka


Perfect.

Absolutely

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Post by: kidsick5000 on June 05, 2021, 04:26:47 PM
The background to Claire and Friends was fascinating.
I surprised there hasn’t been some Peter Morgan style reenactment.
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Post by: Seedsy on June 05, 2021, 09:26:40 PM
Taylor is astonishing. He comes up with about a dozen lines per episode that absolutely floor me and are right up there with the best of all my comic heroes.

He really is. This episode alone, his first crush story and then getting recognised in Finland before the pop stars he was covering were phenomenonal. And that was just in 1 episode.

His reboot of the peanuts comic strip, hilarious, but also worryingly dark. Maybe I'm Looking too much into that tho

I listened to his contribution on a podcast about Jeremy Corbyn. Jesus fucking christ. He spoke, I listened. I was actually in agreement with things I didn't want to admit to myself
This guy needs more exposure
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Post by: Golden E. Pump on June 06, 2021, 04:02:11 PM
Lucky enough to have had a chat with David Stubbs about British Music 1977-79 for my podcast today. Fantastically friendly and knowledgeable, I also managed to refer to him as 'rock expert' David Stubbs. I'm not sure I'll be able to post links to the episode with board rules about self-promotion but in a few weeks it'll be available for everyone to listen to should you so wish.
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Post by: Egyptian Feast on June 08, 2021, 06:17:21 PM
I listened to his contribution on a podcast about Jeremy Corbyn. Jesus fucking christ. He spoke, I listened. I was actually in agreement with things I didn't want to admit to myself
This guy needs more exposure

Which podcast was this? I'd be interested in giving that a listen.
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Post by: badaids on June 08, 2021, 08:57:17 PM
Which podcast was this? I'd be interested in giving that a listen.

+1
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Post by: Seedsy on June 08, 2021, 11:05:11 PM
Defining Corbynism folks. Taylor is on great form
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Post by: Egyptian Feast on June 09, 2021, 12:30:35 AM
Episode 7 (https://podbay.fm/p/corbynism-the-post-mortem/e/1582923724), to save anyone else searching. Thanks for the heads up, will give it a listen. Looking at some of the guests on other episodes, I'm doubtful the series as a whole is going to be the most balanced assessment on Corbynism, so I'll give the rest of it a pass, but I'm interested in hearing his thoughts.
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Post by: Satchmo Distel on June 09, 2021, 01:39:21 AM
You can also read the transcript:

https://corbynismpostmortem.wordpress.com/2020/02/28/episode-7-transcription/
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Post by: Rizla on June 09, 2021, 04:59:02 PM
Quote from: Taylor Parkes
Yeah, from my extensive experience of sitting in my flat looking at social media and reading the internet seems to me that the Corbynites have now been split by the leadership election into the group who were essentially well-meaning and went with Jeremy Corbyn because he seemed nice and because he was the only one you know, pushing an anti-austerity narrative and who seemed to be of the left, and the nuts. And all of the nuts want Rebecca Long-Bailey to be the next leader of the Labour Party, and all of the other lot want Keir Starmer to be the next leader of the Labour Party. So I’m just gonna throw in my lot with Keir Starmer and keep my fingers crossed.

Well. As much as I love Taylor's work (and that Quietus article was pretty bang on, if you cast your mind back to that long ago hazy pre brexit pre Johnson other world we used to live in), that's just asinine. If he couldn't see what Starmer was, even as long ago as february 2020, I really don't know what to say.
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Post by: dr beat on June 09, 2021, 05:53:28 PM
Don't want to come across as the thread police (at least not this time) but I'm not sure I want this to become just another Corbyn thread. Maybe we should get back to priapic dogs?
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Post by: Egyptian Feast on June 09, 2021, 05:59:51 PM
Well. As much as I love Taylor's work (and that Quietus article was pretty bang on, if you cast your mind back to that long ago hazy pre brexit pre Johnson other world we used to live in), that's just asinine. If he couldn't see what Starmer was, even as long ago as february 2020, I really don't know what to say.

That bit made me laugh, I must admit. I only skimmed the transcript myself - I can't say I disagreed with everything he said, but that was total bollocks. If that was his take on the leadership contest and RLB's support, his 'extensive experience of sitting in my flat looking at social media and reading the internet' must've been all of about five minutes.
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Post by: Egyptian Feast on June 09, 2021, 06:05:08 PM
Don't want to come across as the thread police (at least not this time) but I'm not sure I want this to become just another Corbyn thread. Maybe we should get back to priapic dogs?

Soz, won't derail any further.

Relistening to some old episodes and have just enjoyed Taylor's verdict on John & Yoko from episode 10. Amazing how quickly they bang through the old episodes. Before I started listening to Chart Music, 2 and a half hours seemed a bit much for a discussion of a TOTP episode, now it seems stingy.
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Post by: badaids on June 09, 2021, 09:12:09 PM
Lucky enough to have had a chat with David Stubbs about British Music 1977-79 for my podcast today. Fantastically friendly and knowledgeable, I also managed to refer to him as 'rock expert' David Stubbs. I'm not sure I'll be able to post links to the episode with board rules about self-promotion but in a few weeks it'll be available for everyone to listen to should you so wish.

I'd love to hear this podcast GEP.
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Post by: Egyptian Feast on June 09, 2021, 09:28:23 PM
I'd love to hear it too, definitely give us a heads-up when it's available, Golden E. Pump. What if someone else posted a link, would that be a problem? It's definitely on-topic for this thread.
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Post by: Brundle-Fly on June 10, 2021, 02:42:08 PM
I am not affiliated but I do like the Silvery F.Bellows podcast called The Cacophony Sessions.
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Post by: Egyptian Feast on June 10, 2021, 05:02:22 PM
Cheers, Brundle-Fly! I'll guess I'll listen to that mysterious person's podcast instead.
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Post by: dr beat on June 10, 2021, 05:11:26 PM
I'm listening to the 1982 World Cup ep as a sort of warm up for the Euros. I'd missed the bit about making Ken Baily and BA Robertson fight like in the Two Tribes video.
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Post by: badaids on June 14, 2021, 08:38:24 AM
Been saving this up and I have to say it’s the best one for a while. 1986 was the year that I got into music and TOTP so I probably watched this one. Only half way through and I’ve already been told off for laughing too loudly twice by my wife. Too many touchstones for me on Taylor’s first crush story and the Finland story was like something out of Curb.  I do think they were far to generous to the house martins though - for me it was always obvious and inevitable that Heston was really waiting to form the beautiful south and buy a pub near his nice house and shut it down for being too noisy.
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Post by: Johnboy on June 17, 2021, 10:10:42 PM
https://www.britishpodcastawards.com/vote

Cast yer vote for chart music

A load of bollocks yes but why not
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Post by: Uncle TechTip on June 17, 2021, 11:20:20 PM
Not in the list for me

"Unbreak My Chart" has a logo ripped from The Chart Show.
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Post by: non capisco on June 17, 2021, 11:25:33 PM
Voted twice, one from my Gmail and one from my work address. Judy Tzuke tour jacket in the post please, Al.
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Post by: sutin on July 02, 2021, 02:27:32 AM
As someone who was born in 1990, has never read Melody Maker and barely watched TOTP, will I get much out of this of podcast? The reviews have been glowing but I worry I might be a generation or two beyond the target audience.

Also , just by the by, Ask" is a great song. "Spending warm sunny days indoors/Writing frightening verse to a buck-toothed girl in Luxembourg". The racist wanker was a genius lyricist, that can't be denied.

Sorry to reply to a post so old but to add to this, even though I was born in 1982 and occasionally read Melody Maker in the '90s, I never paid any attention to who the writers were and was only familar with Simon Price before listening to Chart Music. As for Top Of The Pops, i'm Northern Irish and had RTE, and in my opinion Irish music programming was *vastly* superior to British shows like TOTP in the '90s. I did watch TOTP from time to time if it was on, but I watched Top 30 Hits, 2TV etc. *way* more intently. Also, i've never liked music radio and haven't listened to Radio 1 in my life, so I had no idea who any of TOTP presenters talked about on the podcast were, except for Noel Edmonds (Dave Lee Travis is a name I knew exclusively from his Yewtree investigation a few years back).

But yes, I love this podcast. It's a fantastic in depth look into late 20th century British culture and social history, and it's so damn funny too (I echo all the praise for Taylor Parkes, a fantastically funny man). I'm so excited to have so many more episodes to get through (just finished number 15).
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Post by: phantom_power on July 02, 2021, 09:03:56 AM
----edit glitch removal as I keep thinking there is a new episode------
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Post by: dr beat on July 02, 2021, 09:10:23 AM
Hopefully we are due one soon.
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Post by: DrGreggles on July 02, 2021, 09:20:34 AM
Usually they're every 6-8 weeks, so fingers crossed.
Last one dropped on 24th May.
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Post by: Johnboy on July 02, 2021, 09:23:18 AM
Pricey will most likely be a guest but who will he be paired with?

new page cripes!
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Post by: Satchmo Distel on July 02, 2021, 12:28:25 PM
Might they be waiting until after the Euros?
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Post by: DrGreggles on July 02, 2021, 02:21:13 PM
Might they be waiting until after the Euros?

Perhaps, but I always think the gap is mainly down to the mammoth edit Al has to do rather than recording schedules.
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Post by: dr beat on July 02, 2021, 04:34:15 PM
I'd imagine the research and prep takes a lot of time as well.  Those facebook profiles of Guys and Dolls members aren't easy to track down ;)
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Post by: Bellalunaesme2 on July 02, 2021, 04:42:45 PM
Pricey will most likely be a guest but who will he be paired with?

new page cripes!

Sarah hasn't done one yet this year, so probably her.
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Post by: Brundle-Fly on July 02, 2021, 05:51:06 PM
It would be amazing if they could persuade old MM editor and raconteur, Allan Jones onto CMP. Him and Stubbsy on a seventies episode would be mint.
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Post by: Dusty Substance on July 03, 2021, 01:52:09 PM
You know how Al will usually introduce an act by saying something along the lines of "Born in Hammersmith in March 1958, Gary Numan is a synthpop artist who began his career as a forklift driver before his father bought him a Les Paul guitar which became his treasured possession and kickstarted his interest in music....."etc....

But for some of the all time greats, he'll do the "Born in Michigan 1958, Steve Wonder is Stevie fucking Wonder". I know he's done it for Stevie, Paul McCartney, Prince and George Michael. I expect Bowie got the exclusive Al introduction but can't remember for definite.

Who else is in Al's Hall of Fucking Fame?

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Post by: Neomod on July 03, 2021, 01:59:08 PM
Shakey?
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Post by: Egyptian Feast on July 03, 2021, 02:06:11 PM
He did it for Michael Jackson in the last one I relistened to, #14 (https://chartmusiccouk.wordpress.com/2017/11/20/14-september-24th-1987-a-grey-and-pink-flecked-gelled-up-nightmare/).
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Post by: Nice Relaxing Poo on July 03, 2021, 02:10:28 PM
Queen got that treatment
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Post by: DrGreggles on July 03, 2021, 02:17:36 PM
Abba

Although his best intro was "Formed in Tito Jackson's bollocks".
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Post by: bigfatheart on July 03, 2021, 04:14:14 PM
I'm fairly certain he did it for Oasis, though, so it's not necessarily all-time greats so much as acts it's assumed the audience will absolutely be familiar with.

Unless I'm getting mixed up with "we've already covered Oasis IN THIS FUCKING EPISODE". It's possible.
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Post by: eifion on July 03, 2021, 04:34:10 PM
Wham got that treatment in the current episode.
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Post by: Crabwalk on July 09, 2021, 09:03:35 AM
ASSEMBLE. THIS IS NOT A DRILL.
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Post by: Beep Cleep Chimney on July 09, 2021, 09:09:11 AM
6 and a half hours!  Get the fuck in.
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Post by: DrGreggles on July 09, 2021, 09:09:32 AM
HFC ALERT!
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Post by: non capisco on July 09, 2021, 09:57:41 AM
YES!!! Even going by just the episode title this ought to be a good one!
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on July 09, 2021, 11:08:12 AM
Get in!!!

This is exactly what I need today.
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Post by: non capisco on July 09, 2021, 11:28:53 AM
Just watched the relevant TOTP episode and if they don't mention how much Nick Heyward looks like a young Nigel Farage I'll be surprised.
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Post by: Satchmo Distel on July 09, 2021, 04:29:03 PM
Another episode from the years Al is probably most comfortable with. Perhaps because Al has been having some stressful times, is he sticking with years that give him the most pleasure? I'm not complaining but there's an obvious signal of being too stressed to want to spend weeks researching a shit year (i.e. any year post-1983). OTOH he knows his audience and we are (mostly) on the same page.
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Post by: non capisco on July 09, 2021, 04:45:57 PM
It's an episode I've been waiting for, where they rhapsodise about Dexys, and it doesn't disappoint. Pricey and Neil both echo my feelings about how amazing that band is and why.
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Post by: Wentworth Smith on July 09, 2021, 05:53:42 PM
Yep, in fact after the Rowlandian Rhapsody I just stopped and have been listening to Dexys. Love them.
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Post by: Golden E. Pump on July 09, 2021, 11:18:52 PM
What a banger of an episode.
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Post by: non capisco on July 09, 2021, 11:34:10 PM
Loved Al's anecdote about his workmate and "Friar David". Always a fan of the comically specific lie.
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Post by: shiftwork2 on July 10, 2021, 12:56:25 AM
This is just a lovely treat for the weekend.  The frequency of episodes is spot on now - a new one is special, and when it arrives there's so much rich stuff to get stuck in to with multiple relistens.
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on July 10, 2021, 05:38:57 AM
I LOL'd at Bates' utterly pointless 'interview' with Gene Anthony Ray from Fame.

Bates: Is there going to be another series, Leroy?

Ray: Yes there is.

Bates: Great!

Such was Bates' commitment to the link, he couldn't even be bothered to learn the actor's real name. What a fucking oaf.
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on July 10, 2021, 06:03:42 AM
Another big laugh from me at Neil describing Dee Snider's face as "eventful". It wasn't intended as an insult either, it's just a succintly accurate description.
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on July 10, 2021, 08:28:47 AM
Pricey often drops Morris and Partridge references into CMP, but it's practically a compulsion in this episode.

Not that I'm complaining, God knows I must do that myself during those rare occasions when I'm chatting to likeminded people.
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Post by: Satchmo Distel on July 11, 2021, 07:02:14 AM
Jo Boxers' follow-up "Just Got Lucky", is wonderful:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2IUDF-p2Ug&ab_channel=JoBoxersVEVO

Razzmatazz performance (better audio):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUXmH-dGxw0&ab_channel=JoBoxersVEVO
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Post by: non capisco on July 11, 2021, 01:48:03 PM
Jo Boxers' follow-up "Just Got Lucky", is wonderful:

Yeah, have loved that one ever since it came up on the BBC4 repeats. It really does sound like an authentic 60s classic soul stomper. In a similar vein thanks to this episode I've only just realised what an absolute heater 'Church Of The Poisoned Mind' is. The best thing Boy George has ever lent his pipes to, I reckon.
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on July 11, 2021, 02:01:29 PM
I've only just realised what an absolute heater 'Church Of The Poisoned Mind' is. The best thing Boy George has ever lent his pipes to, I reckon.

Without a doubt. George had a great voice, but that's the only time he wrapped it around an absolute banger.*

And I bet Dylan wasn't being entirely ironic when he said the only religion he followed was "the church of the poison mind".

* Come on, you're all better than that.
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Post by: An Actual Propeller on July 11, 2021, 05:59:52 PM
Just watched the relevant TOTP episode and if they don't mention how much Nick Heyward looks like a young Nigel Farage I'll be surprised.

Having just listened to the episode, I really hope Neil doesn’t read this.
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Post by: non capisco on July 11, 2021, 06:38:21 PM
^ Ha ha, yeah, wide of the mark on that one, wasn't I?

Each to their own I guess. Is Nick Heyward beautiful, CaB?!
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Post by: buzby on July 12, 2021, 12:25:32 PM
I've only just realised what an absolute heater 'Church Of The Poisoned Mind' is. The best thing Boy George has ever lent his pipes to, I reckon.
Helen Terry's vocal performance in the choruses is the standout on that track for me, rather than George's.

Each to their own I guess. Is Nick Heyward beautiful, CaB?!
My eldest sister certainly thought so, to the point she had a Nick Heyward pillowcase.
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Post by: non capisco on July 12, 2021, 01:13:02 PM
Helen Terry's vocal performance in the choruses is the standout on that track for me, rather than George's.

She's great but I also think George has never sounded better, his voice is proper snaking through that verse melody when it changes up just before the chorus.
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Post by: Neomod on July 12, 2021, 01:36:47 PM
My eldest sister certainly thought so, to the point she had a Nick Heyward pillowcase.

My sister thought so too as she went to see the Haircuts at The Brighton Dome.

She also managed to get me my future wife's autograph who she met in the ladies loos. It read For Nick, Love You, Claire Grogan.
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Post by: buzby on July 12, 2021, 02:11:00 PM
My sister thought so too as she went to see the Haircuts at The Brighton Dome.
Yes, my sister went to see them at the Liverpool Empire on 29/05/82 (I've still got the ticket stub, tucked in the sleeve of her copy of the Fantastic Day (Live) picture disc.
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She also managed to get me my future wife's autograph who she met in the ladies loos. It read For Nick, Love You, Claire Grogan.
Grrrr!<shakes fist>
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Post by: Satchmo Distel on July 13, 2021, 12:07:38 PM
"Create your own ideal episode line-up within the rules" is a great addition at the end. I would have numbers 53 and 99 in there:

https://www.officialcharts.com/charts/singles-chart/19830403/7501/
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Post by: DrGreggles on July 13, 2021, 01:17:45 PM
"Create your own ideal episode line-up within the rules" is a great addition at the end. I would have numbers 53 and 99 in there:

https://www.officialcharts.com/charts/singles-chart/19830403/7501/

There's a few bangers on their way down.
I think a couple of weeks earlier would have had greater potential.
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Post by: Jockice on July 15, 2021, 07:42:51 AM
My sister thought so too as she went to see the Haircuts at The Brighton Dome.

A girl in the year below me at school set up a petition calling for the music reporter at the local paper to be sacked after he gave them a bad review. I think it got over a hundred signatures.

I didn't sign it - I don't think I was even asked - but little did I know I would be the music reporter at that very paper a few years later. And despite my very best efforts, nobody ever set up a petition against me.
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Post by: Jockice on July 15, 2021, 07:44:41 AM
PS, Time (Clock Of The Heart) was the best Culture Club single. And also the only one I owned at the time, although I didn't buy it. It was a borrow and not give back job.
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Post by: SteveDave on July 15, 2021, 09:10:53 AM
Whilst I agree with them that there's no bite in music journalism anymore, why do Simon and Neil constantly go after the low hanging fruit that is Oasis? They know that Radio Sex will repost it and then they'll get awful replies from the Dark Fruit Brigade.
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Post by: famethrowa on July 15, 2021, 11:11:10 AM
Whilst I agree with them that there's no bite in music journalism anymore, why do Simon and Neil constantly go after the low hanging fruit that is Oasis? They know that Radio Sex will repost it and then they'll get awful replies from the Dark Fruit Brigade.

I suspect they don't like Oasis.
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Post by: SteveDave on July 15, 2021, 12:29:40 PM
I suspect they don't like Oasis.

That does seem to be their problem.
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Post by: shiftwork2 on July 15, 2021, 12:39:01 PM
Replace the increasingly tiresome ‘pop and interesting’ preamble with, I don’t know, ‘ways to entice DLT into a Wicker Man’ and straight away you’ve got us by the Jaffas.
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Post by: DrGreggles on July 15, 2021, 01:26:18 PM
That does seem to be their problem.

Not sure it's a problem.
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Post by: SteveDave on July 15, 2021, 01:47:20 PM
Not sure it's a problem.

Hi Simon. Congrats on your wedding.
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Post by: TheMonk on July 15, 2021, 01:51:14 PM
Without a doubt. George had a great voice, but that's the only time he wrapped it around an absolute banger.*

And I bet Dylan wasn't being entirely ironic when he said the only religion he followed was "the church of the poison mind".

* Come on, you're all better than that.
True, but when he sings it these days he sounds like he’s gargling salt.
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on July 15, 2021, 02:01:23 PM
Note my use of "had".
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Post by: Neomod on July 15, 2021, 02:02:15 PM
That does seem to be their problem..

Yeah, not really their problem if their hatred is justified


and perhaps, ancient.
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Post by: DrGreggles on July 15, 2021, 02:15:35 PM
Hi Simon. Congrats on your wedding.

Yes, other than to Simon and Neil, Oasis are universally beloved...
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Post by: OnlyRegisteredSoICanRead on July 15, 2021, 08:18:21 PM
Yeah, not really their problem if their hatred is justified


and perhaps, ancient.

You can have fun kicking old corpses, but it get old real quick. Especially when the people you're kicking went on to be the biggest band in the world UK, and the magazine they wrote for stoped being published 20 years ago.

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Post by: Neomod on July 15, 2021, 09:10:38 PM
You can have fun kicking old corpses, but it get old real quick. Especially when the people you're kicking went on to be the biggest band in the world UK, and the magazine they wrote for stoped being published 20 years ago.

Maybe they do it just to wind up their fans.

As you were.
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Post by: Dusty Substance on July 21, 2021, 02:07:39 PM
why do Simon and Neil constantly go after the low hanging fruit that is Oasis?

Everyone goes after low hanging fruit these days. That's why British satire is in a vegetative state.

Thought it was a great episode. What a cracking line up. Even Simon "Pricey" Price didn't pontificate too much on this episode. Kind of made that they didn't get to properly talk about Kevin until episode 60.

Not surprised that none of them liked Words by F.R David. It's a tune I only discovered within the last couple of years and actually really like it. Hadn't picked up on the Roy Orbison thing until they mentioned but it goes a long way to explain why it's my cup of tea.

More surprising was the love for Big Country. A band I've never dug but may give them another try based on this episode.

Six and half hours is such a treat. Incredible how they pack so much in and still leave me wanting more. If any other podcast dropped an episode that length I doubt I'd give it a listen.

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Post by: phantom_power on July 21, 2021, 02:31:50 PM
Whilst I agree with them that there's no bite in music journalism anymore, why do Simon and Neil constantly go after the low hanging fruit that is Oasis? They know that Radio Sex will repost it and then they'll get awful replies from the Dark Fruit Brigade.

I also think that while I don't doubt their opinions are genuine, which opinions they choose to throw out in the world is often done for effect, or to get a rise, or to be "cool", or whatever they are accused of. They wouldn't get the same response from saying that Kula Shaker or whoever are shit so they don't bother

Also, they talk about how people don't know how to take proper music journalism any more, and that might well be true, but the people they are arguing with on Twitter are probably people who wouldn't read music journalism in the 80s or 90s anyway. I think they are expecting too much from their audience, given that audience is "everyone on Twitter"
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Post by: Levi on July 21, 2021, 03:26:46 PM

Halfway through this episode and it's a banger. I've found Simon's last few appearances to be a little sour, so it's lovely to hear him talking so beautifully about the way Dexys  link to his adolescent loneliness.  Delighted for the Twisted Sister love as well. Thought it was just me.
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Post by: sweeper on July 21, 2021, 05:05:09 PM
Whilst I agree with them that there's no bite in music journalism anymore, why do Simon and Neil constantly go after the low hanging fruit that is Oasis? They know that Radio Sex will repost it and then they'll get awful replies from the Dark Fruit Brigade.

Because almost no one else ever does. There’s something dark about what happened to the accepted perception of reality in the mid-90s. It’s continually refreshing to hear from others who held their nerve, and make their case far more articulately than I’m capable of doing. I could listen to it all day.
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Post by: phantom_power on July 21, 2021, 05:42:28 PM
Isn't that what happens with all cultural history though? Things happen, a consensus forms to make a "narrative" of the times and then over time the real picture emerges and the consensus gets eroded. It is like how in the 80s the 60s was seen as all flower power and hippies and that has slowly been replaced with a more rounded view of the times
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Post by: sweeper on July 21, 2021, 05:48:53 PM
Just because it happens, doesn’t mean it’s a good thing. Doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be resisted. Marginal voices often tell a more balanced, and therefore interesting account.
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Post by: DrGreggles on July 21, 2021, 05:52:25 PM
I can see how having to constantly write about a specific band that you have no interest in can lead to absolutely despising them.
Nothing wrong with them mentioning it.
The only people it will upset are fans of that band - and I'm certain they couldn't care less about them anyway.
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Post by: extraordinary walnuts on July 22, 2021, 06:32:32 PM
So many reasons to be thankful for this absolute diamond of a podcast - today, it's that Al's voice never fails to make me think of MC Pitman