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Title: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: popcorn on September 27, 2020, 03:09:43 PM
There are a few different threads and posts knocking about regarding guitars, pedals, synths, wanking etc so I thought we could have a go at collecting all the wanking in one spot.

I have recently gone on a purchasing bender and would like to discuss my items with you.

I have just got one of these:

(https://dt7v1i9vyp3mf.cloudfront.net/styles/news_large/s3/imagelibrary/s/strymon_iridium_01-093mjYcZOauq.Nvnsh0z7EQkJlgXR1HQ.jpg)

After years of failing to record my Vox AC15 amp in any way that sounds remotely non-shit I've given up and bought this amp modelling pedal. It's very highly thought of so I'm optimistic. I don't really know anything about amps or tone because I am thick, but so far I'm really pleased with it, because it's lovely and simple and small, and it's so much nicer playing through my monitors (with no Ableton lag!) instead of firing up this massive hissing fizzing box I don't understand. I've yet to do any recording with it, but it is really lovely knowing what the sound coming out of my monitors is exactly the same sound that will end up in Ableton. Goodbye fucking around with mics.

I have also just got one of these - found a bargain and jumped on it:

(https://www.bopdj.com/media/catalog/product/cache/207e23213cf636ccdef205098cf3c8a3/1/_/1_47_17.jpg)

So far I don't really get it. It's satisfying punching in buttons to sequence beats, but my god there's a lot of menu diving and I hate having to memorise combinations of button shortcuts to do various functions. So far I keep thinking I can already do everything it does in Ableton, with a proper mouse-and-screen user interface, and I'm not finding it very inspiring.

I've also got one of these on order:

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/716Ah-FPlKL._AC_SL1000_.jpg)

My Akai Headrush is probably my most used pedal, because loopers just make any bedroom guitar session just infinitely more interesting. I think it's finally time to get something that can record more than 15 seconds of sound, and also you can sync it via midi, which I'm hoping will make my Digitakt more fun.

WOT HAVE YOU WANKED OVER RECENTLY ??
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: Better Midlands on September 27, 2020, 07:01:03 PM

I have also just got one of these - found a bargain and jumped on it:

(https://www.bopdj.com/media/catalog/product/cache/207e23213cf636ccdef205098cf3c8a3/1/_/1_47_17.jpg)

So far I don't really get it. It's satisfying punching in buttons to sequence beats, but my god there's a lot of menu diving and I hate having to memorise combinations of button shortcuts to do various functions. So far I keep thinking I can already do everything it does in Ableton, with a proper mouse-and-screen user interface, and I'm not finding it very inspiring.


I picked up one for €615 a couple of months ago and I've the had the opposite experience - I found incredibly inspiring and a nice change from the Akai MPC type world I was inhabiting previously. I'm not especially musical and use mainly samples so the step sequencing works really well for me. I've found it works best for for micro samples rather than loops, especially as I can't chop and use the 16 pads but vive la difference.
I can't stay off it and have been churning out house and minimal techno like a beast.

It's the best piece of equipment I've come across in years and am impressed by the Electron workflow, quite tempted by an Octatrack or a Digitone TBH.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: hellvetica on September 27, 2020, 07:09:18 PM
I frequently crack one out over my pedalboard, which took about 3 years of buying, trading, manual reading and measuring to get perfect. I then purpose built the board so that it's impossible to change anything so I'm now stuck with these forever. I'm perfectly happy with this though as it does everything I ever wanted. I often turn it on so I can watch the lights blink and pretend I'm being interviewed for a Youtube channel about why each thing is on is there. FUNCTIONAL yet VERSATILE.

(https://i.redd.it/agrfklsyfv351.jpg)

My nipples are also currently erect at the thought of walking into the guitar shop round the corner and picking this up on Wednesday.

(https://d1aeri3ty3izns.cloudfront.net/media/45/457132/600/preview.jpg)

I was looking at getting a bass but now that lockdown's heating back up I've decided I wanna learn classical guitar and the idea of owning something with the word 'Taylor' on the headstock is too tempting. I'm hoping if I at least fail at the skill side, the ladies will still lean in close knowing I'm earning 'Taylor' money.

Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: Better Midlands on September 27, 2020, 07:18:36 PM


(https://i.redd.it/agrfklsyfv351.jpg)


Rubbing through my trousers as I write this, that looks incredible.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: DJ Bob Hoskins on September 27, 2020, 07:43:01 PM
After years of failing to record my Vox AC15 amp in any way that sounds remotely non-shit I've given up and bought this amp modelling pedal.

I had kinda the opposite problem in that I've been playing & recording at home on my laptop using a Focusrite interface -> Native Instruments Guitar Rig for years now (with great results) but I began to hanker after the kind of sound I could usually only get when playing through a proper amp at the local rehearsal rooms. Having never owned a proper amp I recently found a bargain on a mint condition 2nd-hand Vox AC10C1 and I absolutely love it.

Somewhat ironically, I play it via a Boss BC-2 Combo Drive which is a Vox AC30 modelling pedal, but the end result sounds incredible. Sparkly top end aplenty but with plenty of punch and throatiness. I'm a big Peter Buck fan and this setup nails his kind of tones from Murmur to Monster and everything in between. It also looks the tits.

(https://i.imgur.com/Kj1YSR0.jpg)

I've also got one of these on order:
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/716Ah-FPlKL._AC_SL1000_.jpg)

I'm currently getting friction burns over the Electro Harmonix 1440 Looper.

(https://i.imgur.com/5CfKIzm.jpg)

I bought its predecessor (720 Looper) a year ago as a sort of compromise, because what I really wanted was a compact, affordable pedal which had MIDI sync AND could store/recall multiple loops AND had reverse/half-speed playback AND could transfer files via USB. My prayers have finally been answered with the 1440 so I'm going to sell the 720 and get me one of those bad boys.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: DJ Bob Hoskins on September 27, 2020, 07:52:53 PM
I frequently crack one out over my pedalboard, which took about 3 years of buying, trading, manual reading and measuring to get perfect.

Phwooar! Nice board indeed. I've watched demos of that Infinite Jets pedal and it sounds amazing. Jealous.

Also: Jaguars FTW
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: NoSleep on September 27, 2020, 08:14:07 PM
Still diving into microtonal music here (and the playing of it), so I bought myself a super-accurate strobo tuner that can be loaded with my custom microtonal tunings. Cost a lot more than standard tuners but well worth it. You'll find these are the standard tuners found in luthier workshops:

https://www.petersontuners.com/products/stroboplus/

(https://i.imgur.com/rpHVgub.jpg)

I don't know if I posted this before (I've had this for a while whilst the rest have all been bought in the last 6 months) but I bought this box, which completely retunes each note on a MIDI keyboard individually, so I can use tunings like Harry Partch's 43-notes-to-the-octave scale on an ordinary MIDI piano keyboard. They're very limited edition so I grabbed one up as soon as I had the free cash to spare (sod the leccy and council tax bills).

https://hpi.zentral.zone/tbx2

(https://i.imgur.com/p5i41IB.jpg)

Got a bunch of bottlenecks I had cut myself finished professionally by Diamond Bottlenecks (and have one of their fully customisable "Ultimate" lead crystal bottlenecks on its way, too). These are beautiful to play with. The strange-shaped one at the front is the first one I ever cut but the glass it's made of is nice and old so, it's still the sweetest sounding of the bunch.

(https://i.imgur.com/opNChEl.jpg)

And after all the above expense I bought a couple of cheap guitars and did a bit of setting up (new nuts, saddle, etc) on them to make them sound a whole lot more. Both have become surprisingly firm favourites in my collection that get played way more than others.

The one on the left is Thomann's own brand fretless bass that I got for about £100 (as B-stock, albeit I stuck a £40 set of Thomastik-Infeld flatwounds on it with the money I saved) and on the right is an £80 Parlour guitar, which has a more biting midrange sound compared to the standard sized dreadnought style acoustic. Being smaller it's also far more comfortable to play, feeling more like an electric sat in your lap; you don't have sit in a special position like I find you have to with a dreadnought monster to hand.

Oh, and another bargain (£100); an Aslin Dane Stingray:

(https://i.imgur.com/IYIgKqI.jpg)

And let me (re)introduce you to my new drummer (the RD-8; an 808 clone):

(https://i.imgur.com/RBwrEMO.png)
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: NoSleep on September 27, 2020, 08:20:23 PM
(https://www.bopdj.com/media/catalog/product/cache/207e23213cf636ccdef205098cf3c8a3/1/_/1_47_17.jpg)

So far I don't really get it. It's satisfying punching in buttons to sequence beats, but my god there's a lot of menu diving and I hate having to memorise combinations of button shortcuts to do various functions. So far I keep thinking I can already do everything it does in Ableton, with a proper mouse-and-screen user interface, and I'm not finding it very inspiring.

I've played around with one of these too and didn't find it very intuitive or enticing to work with.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on September 27, 2020, 08:44:50 PM
My pedalboard power unit is made by strymon, seems very solid. I also have one of the TC Electronics micro loopers but I am too stupid and busy to work it yet.

Really enamoured by these fuzz pedals - made by an Indonesian outfit called Sehat out of old telephones

(https://images.reverb.com/image/upload/s--eLgHC4AJ--/f_auto,t_large/v1556695975/dfdld9wzibfmwlui8viv.jpg)
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: NoSleep on September 27, 2020, 08:56:20 PM
Can you sing into it?
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on September 27, 2020, 09:49:00 PM
Can you sing into it?

I think so? Their website is complete shite.

Either way, I’m going to try and source one.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: kalowski on September 27, 2020, 10:12:15 PM
I frequently crack one out over my pedalboard, which took about 3 years of buying, trading, manual reading and measuring to get perfect. I then purpose built the board so that it's impossible to change anything so I'm now stuck with these forever. I'm perfectly happy with this though as it does everything I ever wanted. I often turn it on so I can watch the lights blink and pretend I'm being interviewed for a Youtube channel about why each thing is on is there. FUNCTIONAL yet VERSATILE.

(https://i.redd.it/agrfklsyfv351.jpg)


More importantly, is that a Jaguar?
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: kalowski on September 27, 2020, 10:13:30 PM

(https://i.imgur.com/Kj1YSR0.jpg)
Oh baby!
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on September 27, 2020, 10:20:30 PM
More importantly, is that a Jaguar?

I sold my MIJ Jag because the pickups were complete shit and I had a gas bill to pay. Putting humbuckers in like that is definitely the way to go.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: buzby on September 28, 2020, 11:13:32 AM
Really enamoured by these fuzz pedals - made by an Indonesian outfit called Sehat out of old telephones

(https://images.reverb.com/image/upload/s--eLgHC4AJ--/f_auto,t_large/v1556695975/dfdld9wzibfmwlui8viv.jpg)
<sobs>
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: studpuppet on September 28, 2020, 11:56:19 AM
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/gY4AAOSwmuBfWmh5/s-l1600.jpg)

I know, you're thinking, "Where's everything else?". Well, that's it at present. Decided (with no musical experience) to learn the bass at 49 years of age, off free YouTube videos. I've got one of those Vox amplug thingies coming so I can practice while the family are asleep. My daughter is pretty proficient on her Squier Strat so I'm wistfully dreaming about playing along with her without embarrassing myself in the not too distant future.

And like most wanks, it's more fun doing it than letting other people know you're doing it.

Ps. It's a Rocktile copy, not a Hofner. I'm not completely mad...
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: buzby on September 28, 2020, 01:27:21 PM
Can you sing into it?
Yes you can - demo here (https://youtu.be/eZ7r9Lw7hyk?t=172). He also makes the 'Moisture Fuzz' expression pedal (https://reverb.com/item/23665168-sehat-effectors-moisture-fuzz-expression-pedal) out of old keyboard pedals.
(https://images.reverb.com/image/upload/s--rFUvMiYq--/f_auto,t_large/v1557594958/ys1pfuzrphofzrd745mn.jpg)

Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: Spiteface on September 28, 2020, 06:20:43 PM
Somewhat ironically, I play it via a Boss BC-2 Combo Drive which is a Vox AC30 modelling pedal, but the end result sounds incredible. Sparkly top end aplenty but with plenty of punch and throatiness. I'm a big Peter Buck fan and this setup nails his kind of tones from Murmur to Monster and everything in between. It also looks the tits.

(https://i.imgur.com/Kj1YSR0.jpg)


To be fair, the Jag also looks the tits as well. Vintera, innit?

 Matching headstocks should be compulsory on ALL Fender offsets. Got a battered CIJ Jag in Candy Apple Red, with matching headstock and I love that.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: thugler on September 29, 2020, 08:25:32 PM
Ohh, this thread is making me want to start playing bass and guitar again. Only issue is I have no amp/cabs and can't really play out loud here anyway. What's the best and cheapest solution to plug straight into my laptop? (no firewire ports). Doesn't need to be particularly good, I was thinking some behringer shitass thing?
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: DJ Bob Hoskins on September 29, 2020, 08:32:03 PM
To be fair, the Jag also looks the tits as well. Vintera, innit?

 Matching headstocks should be compulsory on ALL Fender offsets. Got a battered CIJ Jag in Candy Apple Red, with matching headstock and I love that.

Cheers! It is indeed a Vintera, although it’s had some work done: I swapped the stock bridge for a Staytrem and the tremolo with a Fender US/AVRI unit (with Staytrem arm). I also had a luthier cut a new Tusq nut for it and give it a proper setup. The neck, pickups etc are terrific so I’m done tinkering with it now, it’s pretty much my perfect dream guitar.

Never been a fan of matching headstocks (or tortoise-shell pickguards for that matter) but with this particular model it was love at first sight. I reckon your CIJ also has a 7.25” radius fingerboard? I find it much nicer to play compared to the 9.25” neck that a lot of recent Jag models have.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: DJ Bob Hoskins on September 29, 2020, 08:38:38 PM
Ohh, this thread is making me want to start playing bass and guitar again. Only issue is I have no amp/cabs and can't really play out loud here anyway. What's the best and cheapest solution to plug straight into my laptop? (no firewire ports). Doesn't need to be particularly good, I was thinking some behringer shitass thing?

I reckon you can’t go wrong with a Focusrite Scarlett USB interface. If you only need one input you can get one for about €100. Goes up to €150 for a 2 input model. There are cheaper solutions but the price:quality ratio is hard to beat.

There are also loads of software FX/cab emulations out there which you can use in addition to the above but they range from free to pricey depending on how fancy/good they are. Most DAWs have some built-in FX / plugins which might serve well enough.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: popcorn on September 29, 2020, 08:45:43 PM
I reckon you can’t go wrong with a Focusrite Scarlett USB interface. If you only need one input you can get one for about €100. Goes up to €150 for a 2 input model. There are cheaper solutions but the price:quality ratio is hard to beat.

I just got a two-input one of these and really love it. Just a really nice simple box that works.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: Spiteface on September 29, 2020, 10:08:16 PM
Never been a fan of matching headstocks (or tortoise-shell pickguards for that matter) but with this particular model it was love at first sight. I reckon your CIJ also has a 7.25” radius fingerboard? I find it much nicer to play compared to the 9.25” neck that a lot of recent Jag models have.

Yeah, my CIJ has a 7.25" radius. It's a 1997-ish one, stock except for a mustang bridge. Want to get a staytrem bridge & trem for mine, as well.

As far as radius goes, I am fine with either one, as I also have a Squier J Mascis Jazzmaster that has the slightly flatter radius. They're essentially Squier versions of the Classic Player JM, down to the P90-ish pickups.

I should get some pics od my gear in here later this week.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on September 29, 2020, 10:46:03 PM
I didn’t even know fender made a 7.25” radius. Been using the 9.25” ones like a CHUMP.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: DJ Bob Hoskins on September 29, 2020, 11:54:22 PM
As far as I know all or most Japanese Jaguars have the 7.25" radius (same as the original 1960s models), but most of the recent Mexican and Squier ones have 9.5" (not 9.25" as I said earlier - that was a typo on my part).

Anyway it's all down to personal preference really. One isn't better than the other. I have long spindly fingers and am used to playing a Strat with a flatter 12" fingerboard, but with a short-scale guitar like a Jag I think the extra curvature helps me wrap my hand around it better, which in turn allows me to pull things off just the way I like it when I make beautiful music alone in my room.*

*Just thought I should keep up the wanking content in the spirit of the thread title.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on September 30, 2020, 01:24:40 AM
My old CIJ jag was ‘97 I think, I’d assumed it was the 9.5” radius but maybe it was super comfortable cos it was the reduced radius. I don’t know.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: NoSleep on September 30, 2020, 09:16:46 AM
Ohh, this thread is making me want to start playing bass and guitar again. Only issue is I have no amp/cabs and can't really play out loud here anyway. What's the best and cheapest solution to plug straight into my laptop? (no firewire ports). Doesn't need to be particularly good, I was thinking some behringer shitass thing?

This would do the trick (£32.99):

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Behringer-U-PHORIA-UM2-Computer-Interface/dp/B00EK1OTZC/cab-21

Or get a Lexicon Alpha if you can find one; they're not sold anymore but you should pick one up for less than £50.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: thugler on September 30, 2020, 09:43:22 AM
This would do the trick (£32.99):

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Behringer-U-PHORIA-UM2-Computer-Interface/dp/B00EK1OTZC/cab-21

Or get a Lexicon Alpha if you can find one; they're not sold anymore but you should pick one up for less than £50.

That's more like the cheapness I require, thanks! I did have a fairly decent one tc electronic interface/mixer, but it's firewire and I can't be arsed getting my PC out of retirement just to noodle around once I've liberated bass and gear from storage.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: Spiteface on September 30, 2020, 06:24:43 PM
My old CIJ jag was ‘97 I think, I’d assumed it was the 9.5” radius but maybe it was super comfortable cos it was the reduced radius. I don’t know.

Some people prefer the rounder 7.25, others like a flatter one. Typically the rounder ones are more comfy for chords, flatter if you do leads. Hence why compound radius necks are also a thing. Best of both worlds.

Then again, Billy Corgan's a bit of a shredder and when he had a signature strat from Fender around the time of the Zeitgeist album, which stock came with a 70-style head, and 9.5" radius. A few years later, when he was touring Oceania, he'd switched the necks out on his live guitars with 57 reissues. He said at the time as the Smashing Pumpkins were playing a lot of old material, he found those necks better for it. then he was bringing out his blue Mellon Collie 70s strat on tour again.

Here's some terrible photos of my guitars, starting with my Jag:

(https://i.imgur.com/I5cbMFg.jpg)

Stock except for a taped-up Mustang bridge. I know the Jaguar bridge is meant to rock back & forth with the strings, but I've found I get on better with a static Tune-O-Matic like my J Mascis Jazzmaster has. Want to get some fuzz & reverb pedals and play some shoegazey stuff on this one.


My most recent one, a Gordon Smith GS-1 60:

(https://i.imgur.com/vgiRQ3k.jpg)

I really wanted a Les Paul Junior-style guitar, and Gibsons were either too expensive, or 2nd hand 2015 models (the ones with the weird necks & robo tuners). Epiphone hadn't unveiled their "Inspired by Gibson" line either, which has a proper set-neck Junior in it. This was £569, which for a hand-made UK guitar, is really good. Great punky machine, this one. Nicknamed "Maiko-chan" because I'm a wanker that named his guitar, after the sticker I got while in Japan earlier this year.


And if course, my pride & Joy, my Edwards Les Paul:
(https://i.imgur.com/sytDbZI.jpg)

Swapped the pickups out a couple of years ago for Bare Knuckle Emeralds, and it became my favourite-sounding guitar. Absolutely nails the Manic Street Preachers & Sex Pistols tones I got it for, plugged into my Tiny Terror (an amp Orange should never have discontinued). Took the pickguard off, have since lost the screws, kinda like it this way.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: Rizla on September 30, 2020, 07:11:04 PM
I think I've got just enough gear to give me constant nagging anxiety about it all, how much room it takes up divided by how much I actually use it times the potential for liquidating it minus the hassle of keeping it all in working order. Amps mainly, several big valve vintage bastards that I'll never again gig with( now I have this little orange boy (https://orangeamps.com/products/guitar-amp-combos/crush-series/crush35rt/)) but not in good enough nick to sell, were I even able to contemplate such an action. Guitars, same thing. I own about 18 but I only really use 3 or 4 and the rest aren't really worth selling without overhauling them, also I would be sad. Synths etc I'm not too bad on, Juno106, Moog Rogue, Korg Poly800 and a few other bits and pieces, they all have their uses. Then there's pedals, must have over 70 by now, keep finding ones I forgot I had. Boss ones you just end up collecting like corgi cars. Pretty colours. Barely use any except the tuner though.

Funnily enough the most useful effect is probably the one I built myself, a Dallas Rangemaster clone in a tobacco tin. Ordered the antique transistor off ebay for about £7, other parts were pennies. As many will know it's the secret sauce in Iommi, Beck, May, Gallagher etc's sound. It's just a treble booster but it has an extraordinary effect both on the sound and the way you play. Very responsive thing.

(https://i.ibb.co/4Yx33DR/IMG-1426.jpg) (https://ibb.co/yYJ77MF)
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: NoSleep on September 30, 2020, 08:14:13 PM
Just realised I'd missed out one of the pics from my earlier post:

And after all the above expense I bought a couple of cheap guitars and did a bit of setting up (new nuts, saddle, etc) on them to make them sound a whole lot more. Both have become surprisingly firm favourites in my collection that get played way more than others.

(https://i.imgur.com/NezoeOg.jpg)
The one on the left is Thomann's own brand fretless bass that I got for about £100 (as B-stock, albeit I stuck a £40 set of Thomastik-Infeld flatwounds on it with the money I saved) and on the right is an £80 Parlour guitar, which has a more biting midrange sound compared to the standard sized dreadnought style acoustic. Being smaller it's also far more comfortable to play, feeling more like an electric sat in your lap; you don't have sit in a special position like I find you have to with a dreadnought monster to hand.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on September 30, 2020, 10:06:51 PM
I mentioned it on here already, but I recently got a Gretsch parlour guitar while all my stuff is in storage and it’s great. Much nicer than my big acoustics to be honest. My father in law got a Simon and Patrick parlour because he liked my Gretsch so much (but he insists on buying Canadian, fair enough it is nicer than mine).
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: popcorn on September 30, 2020, 11:06:45 PM
I've also got one of these on order:

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/716Ah-FPlKL._AC_SL1000_.jpg)


This arrived today. Spent the evening fighting it. I want to sync it to my Digitakt with midi, and the lights are flashing in sync to the clock, but none of my loops are in sync.

ALL GEAR IS SHITE AND DON'T WORK.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on September 30, 2020, 11:54:54 PM
The ditto x1 looper confused me (didn’t read the manual obviously) so multiplying it by four (and it’s popcorn so reducing the user’s IQ by 200) was always going to end in failure.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: Rich Uncle Skeleton on October 01, 2020, 11:37:27 AM
There are a few different threads and posts knocking about regarding guitars, pedals, synths, wanking etc so I thought we could have a go at collecting all the wanking in one spot.

I have recently gone on a purchasing bender and would like to discuss my items with you.

I have just got one of these:

(https://dt7v1i9vyp3mf.cloudfront.net/styles/news_large/s3/imagelibrary/s/strymon_iridium_01-093mjYcZOauq.Nvnsh0z7EQkJlgXR1HQ.jpg)

After years of failing to record my Vox AC15 amp in any way that sounds remotely non-shit I've given up and bought this amp modelling pedal. It's very highly thought of so I'm optimistic. I don't really know anything about amps or tone because I am thick, but so far I'm really pleased with it, because it's lovely and simple and small, and it's so much nicer playing through my monitors (with no Ableton lag!) instead of firing up this massive hissing fizzing box I don't understand. I've yet to do any recording with it, but it is really lovely knowing what the sound coming out of my monitors is exactly the same sound that will end up in Ableton. Goodbye fucking around with mics.

ooo very fancy, never heard of it before, watching a few videos of it now! sounds great

got an AC15C1X so i know your pain recording it. I'm in the middle of a bit of a hefty project and recording guitar with that amp has been an absolute nightmare, not least because having it anywhere near the right volume is out of the question in such a small house with every neighbour working from home. my mum's in the neighbourhood whatsapp group presumably because she just loves conflict and aggro and any time a guitar's been played with anything other than headphones the passive aggressive texts immediately start flying

even if I could get things done lightning quick in one take at the right volume, i'm fucking useless with mic'ing the bloody thing. half the time I end up just sticking my pedalboard through my line 6 pod. feel like a classic example of "all the gear no idea. definitely going to keep the strymon in mind for when I start shitting golden eggs.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: popcorn on October 01, 2020, 09:00:23 PM
Sequential have just announced a reissue of the Prophet-5 (https://youtu.be/1acVKBsctrw).

(https://www.synthanatomy.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Sequential-Prophet-5-1024x510.png)

I had a play on an original Prophet-5 a few years ago and it was the loveliest synth I've ever played. It's been outclassed in a thousand ways since, but for me it was the perfect blend of shape, size, feel, sound and lovely simplicity. Just felt like a nice inviting all-rounder.

Wanking now.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on October 02, 2020, 12:33:59 AM
I’m no good at synths. I’m a half decent piano player - is it worth me trying to learn all the bells and whistles and buttons and that? They look like a right laugh but I worry I’m too dim.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: popcorn on October 02, 2020, 02:02:26 AM
I find synths infinitely more exciting than guitars. I love playing guitars but I can't tell the difference between any of them as instruments. They're different in vague, acoustic, inexact ways to do with string gauges and pickups. It's like picking your favourite brand of tomato ketchup or something, they taste different but it's really hard to know how, or at least to me it is. I know people can wank for hours about the smallest differences between guitars, but to me with my embarrassing IQ it's just an endless grey area.

Whereas a synthesiser is a kind of... device. They have clearly different features, sounds and functions. This one has an arpeggiator. This one has aftertouch. This one is monophonic, this one is polyphonic, etc etc. These are all features that manipulate the sound in obvious, concrete ways, as drastically as a delay pedal might. So for me it's a lot easier to find them interesting. It's like playing with different Transformers.

I also love how with synths and programming it can, if you want, become a purely intellectual exercise. It's less about having keyboard skill (though I have those to pay the bills if necessary) and more about designing sounds in the abstract.

I think the fundamentals of synthesisers, like filters and envelopes and LFOs, are pretty easy to grasp with a good tutorial and some trial and error. The Ableton tutorial (https://learningsynths.ableton.com/) is meant to be good. There are lots of free, good soft synths you can get to fuck around on. I'd highly recommend it, especially if you have a midi keyboard you can wire it up to. Or buy a cheap and cheerful little synth like a Microbrute.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on October 02, 2020, 03:25:35 AM
I had a microKORG and got quite good at making shimmering noises with it, but I remember thinking “oh is that it then?” after a while which speaks to me not putting the time in.

I’m doing the old 1-2 buying a house/resigning from the shit job I hate in the next month so will have the winning combo of more space to put instruments and more time to fiddle about with them, so will see if I can figure a simple synth out.

Just remembered I hate un-weighted keys, I think that might be why I couldn’t be doing with my KORG.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: Better Midlands on October 02, 2020, 08:38:31 AM
I also love how with synths and programming it can, if you want, become a purely intellectual exercise. It's less about having keyboard skill (though I have those to pay the bills if necessary) and more about designing sounds in the abstract.

You sound like someone who would enjoy Eurorack (if you have a money tree in your back garden).
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: NoSleep on October 02, 2020, 10:20:18 AM
I’m no good at synths. I’m a half decent piano player - is it worth me trying to learn all the bells and whistles and buttons and that? They look like a right laugh but I worry I’m too dim.

The best kind of synth to get to start with would be a classic analog one of sorts, with all the knobs and sliders to twiddle. The microkorg can make some good sounds but many of its functions are hidden under the bonnet, so you don't necessarily end up knowing much about what you're doing. Get one of those Behringer clones, or maybe an Arturia, and learn about ADSRs and how to apply them to amplitude and filtering/cutoff/resonance in useful ways (make a synth go "meouw" for the first time from scratch).
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: Petey Pate on October 02, 2020, 10:30:38 AM
Has anyone here had any experience of using Arturia's recent Keystep Pro? It appears more intuitive than the likes of an MPC or Digitakt, as everything on it is clearly labelled, plus as a (shit) keyboard player, having an interface with actual keys is preferable to pads and buttons.

(https://cdn.rekkerd.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Arturia-KeyStep-Pro-700x292.jpg)

The best kind of synth to get to start with would be a classic analog one of sorts, with all the knobs and sliders to twiddle. The microkorg can make some good sounds but many of its functions are hidden under the bonnet, so you don't necessarily end up knowing much about what you're doing. Get one of those Behringer clones, or maybe an Arturia, and learn about ADSRs and how to apply them to amplitude and filtering/cutoff/resonance in useful ways (make a synth go "meouw" for the first time from scratch).

I would second this advice. Creating patches on something like a MicroKorg or MiniNova becomes easier if you've had experience with more hands on, less versatile synths. Speaking of which, I own this 303 clone, which is about as basic as an analog synth you can get. Sounds great though, especially if you run it through FX pedals.

(https://images.musicstore.de/images/0960/mam-systems-mb-33-retro-_1_SYN0004744-000.jpg)
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on October 02, 2020, 11:27:14 AM
Appreciate the advice, thanks!
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: popcorn on October 02, 2020, 12:20:01 PM
Yeah definitely try something that lets you directly twiddle knobs rather than banks of presets and digital effects.

You'll have to stick with the thin keys though, weighted keys are usually fairly crap for synths. Just stop trying to play it like a piano.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: NoSleep on October 02, 2020, 12:29:43 PM
That's the main thing; it isn't a piano, so the lighter keys will give you more expression to emulate other instruments. A synth flute sound needs a certain touch to make it seem like a flautist is playing.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on October 02, 2020, 12:40:13 PM
Yeah it’s totally my fault, I’ve not really approached it with the right mindset before. I like finding a nice sound and going “ok, now what can we play with that” rather than spending time making a nice sound in the abstract, I guess that’s the best way to put it.

Soon! I will have time! I think one of those little boxes that Petey recommended would be a good start, then we’ll move up to something with keys and see how we go.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: Huxleys Babkins on October 02, 2020, 12:48:22 PM
What would people recommend for a complete beginner who wants to make cool electronic noises that might be classed as "music"? I've got no experience of playing anything beyond noodling about in Garageband on my iPad when bored, and playing the recorder at school badly 30 years ago. Don't know any chords on a keyboard even. When lockdown happened, I was looking at MIDI keyboards and thinking it might be a good time to learn, but there's so much choice in a ridiculous spectrum of prices, but everything sold out, plus I didn't get furloughed. And is that even the right thing to get? Should I just forget the synth/DAW aspect and just buy a cheap keyboard to learn to play a note on for now?

Sorry to derail from the gear porn, but Ferris' posts about synths got me craving again. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: popcorn on October 02, 2020, 02:02:25 PM
What would people recommend for a complete beginner who wants to make cool electronic noises that might be classed as "music"?


I would recommend a DAW because you can make complete songs in it. If you just buy an individual synth then you've only really got a lot of synth noises. Harder to make a whole composition. But with a DAW you can bang out Limmy-style techno bangers in an afternoon.

You can get a free three-month Ableton Live trial (https://www.ableton.com/en/trial/) and try following some tutorials. I think Live is really good software and as far as DAWs go is the most inviting and user-friendly, but there's still a lot to learn. Even if you're only doing basic stuff, you can also be comforted in the knowledge that it's used by pros to make seriously complex music, so you're not just using some silly baby thing like Garage Band (apologies to the Garage Band lovers), and you're investing time into something that's worth learning, if you wanted to carry on.

So try getting that and just making some daft loops and whacking loads of effects on things and making bananas noises and see if it's fun for you. Nothing to lose! And if you find that's fun you can buy a cheap midi controller so you can play stuff on keys and twiddle knobs, and that might make it even more fun.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: Sherman Krank on October 02, 2020, 03:37:35 PM
For the Jag fans here, Five Watt World have just uploaded the Jaguar episode of their excellent A Short History series.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUPkmZG2yEk
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: NoSleep on October 02, 2020, 03:47:03 PM
I mentioned it on here already, but I recently got a Gretsch parlour guitar while all my stuff is in storage and it’s great. Much nicer than my big acoustics to be honest. My father in law got a Simon and Patrick parlour because he liked my Gretsch so much (but he insists on buying Canadian, fair enough it is nicer than mine).

The Gretsch ones look like they're veering toward the even-smaller "travel guitar" size; it's short scale and a 12-fret neck. The one I posted above is full-scale and with a 14-fret neck. I want to get a travel guitar, not to travel, but because the sound moves further away from a dreadnought in the same direction as the parlour guitar. I love this video, featuring Richard Bishop talking about the discovery and acquisition of the travel guitar he used to record "The Tangiers Sessions".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2p5j3EajWI

Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on October 02, 2020, 09:32:59 PM
It is a bit bigger than a travel - brother in law has one of the Martin travel guitars and that feels properly small to play. Fun sound though, and much easier to pick up and play.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: easytarget on October 03, 2020, 04:54:16 AM
hello cook, hello bomb,
Any of you have experience with recording from your *real goddamn tube fuckin amp* into your DAW?
There's a cheapish thing called Two Notes Torpedo and a much more expensive thing called Universal Audio OX.
Any opinions on the above?

Current pedal board to keep things on topic:
(http://futurearsonists.com/images/pedal.jpg)

The Revv/Walrus Red combo is 90s death metal as fuck.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: Non Stop Dancer on October 03, 2020, 07:55:23 PM
I discovered the Softube Console 1 recently and now I want one for Christmas. Anyone have anything to say about it?

https://www.softube.com/console1
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: NoSleep on October 03, 2020, 08:12:49 PM
I discovered the Softube Console 1 recently and now I want one for Christmas. Anyone have anything to say about it?

https://www.softube.com/console1

You should check out Airwindows. They do their own console emulation in a variety of flavours and it's free to download (supported by Patreon). They also have a ton of other ways to colour your signal path (all for free). Also the best dither plugins out there. The guy is doing genius work, putting a new plugin out every Monday morning.

http://www.airwindows.com
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: Non Stop Dancer on October 03, 2020, 08:40:26 PM
Thanks, I'll have a look. To be honest though it's the idea of the hardware I find very appealing. It seems like a very intuitive way of working when I'm othwise completely in the box.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: Rich Uncle Skeleton on October 05, 2020, 12:50:08 PM
great stuff!


guitarists, I need to set up my strat a bit after leaving it way too long, thing goes wildly out of tune these days plus just needs a little TLC. anyone here able to recommend any tutorials worth checking out before I start wading through youtube? thinking a home set up might be enough before I go sobbing to a professional...
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: kngen on October 05, 2020, 01:33:48 PM
Genuine gear wanking here, folks.

Managed to snap one of these (http://4114customeffects.co.uk/portfolio/flux-capacitor-delay-pedal/) up on a whim because I'd just got a very generous tax refund, and I thought it looked cool. No real need for it as I've got a resissue Memory Boy, and any number of pretty good analogue delay plug-ins on a cracked version of Amplitube. It does sound nice, though.

(https://images.reverb.com/image/upload/s--GxEn6-Wj--/f_auto,t_large/v1600830907/gfbkhhmyxqiy6kamcuuz.jpg)
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: DJ Bob Hoskins on October 05, 2020, 07:50:42 PM
great stuff!


guitarists, I need to set up my strat a bit after leaving it way too long, thing goes wildly out of tune these days plus just needs a little TLC. anyone here able to recommend any tutorials worth checking out before I start wading through youtube? thinking a home set up might be enough before I go sobbing to a professional...

This is a pretty comprehensive guide. No video but plenty of pics: https://www.premierguitar.com/articles/DIY_How_to_Set_Up_a_Fender_Stratocaster?page=1

Depending on what kind of Strat you have you might need to adjust the truss rod at the heel of the neck (which is a bit of a pain as it involves loosening the neck) as opposed to at the headstock (which is much more convenient).
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: NoSleep on October 05, 2020, 08:20:08 PM
great stuff!


guitarists, I need to set up my strat a bit after leaving it way too long, thing goes wildly out of tune these days plus just needs a little TLC. anyone here able to recommend any tutorials worth checking out before I start wading through youtube? thinking a home set up might be enough before I go sobbing to a professional...

There's an Italian guy on YouTube who's pretty good on Strat stuff. He seems pretty thorough from what I've watched so far.

https://www.youtube.com/user/FruduaTv/videos
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: hellvetica on October 06, 2020, 11:18:13 PM
Thanks for the adoration guys, I'll post a photo of my synth setup when I can be bothered.

Also pulled the trigger on that guitar and it's swell. Got a cute wee Yamaha amp for it too which turns out to be completely pointless as the guitar's louder than it on full blast. Also there anything more embarrassing and awkward than testing a guitar in a guitar shop btw? Knocking out a Sun Kil Moon song then remembering the allegations and clumsily changing it into some pseudo Marr-babble as though anyone was paying attention. Don't understand these guys who live to shred to the staff all day long.

Genuine gear wanking here, folks.

Managed to snap one of these (http://4114customeffects.co.uk/portfolio/flux-capacitor-delay-pedal/) up on a whim because I'd just got a very generous tax refund, and I thought it looked cool. No real need for it as I've got a resissue Memory Boy, and any number of pretty good analogue delay plug-ins on a cracked version of Amplitube. It does sound nice, though.


Whats this? Lovin' the aesthetic.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on October 07, 2020, 12:30:44 AM
Anyone ever given these pedals a go? Grab your soldering iron and get stuck in!

https://www.axeandyoushallreceive.com/brands/byoc-kits?page=9

Look like a fun project (especially the “build by numbers” approach, ideal for an electronics dunce like me).
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: buzby on October 07, 2020, 11:03:15 AM
Sequential have just announced a reissue of the Prophet-5 (https://youtu.be/1acVKBsctrw).

(https://www.synthanatomy.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Sequential-Prophet-5-1024x510.png)

I had a play on an original Prophet-5 a few years ago and it was the loveliest synth I've ever played. It's been outclassed in a thousand ways since, but for me it was the perfect blend of shape, size, feel, sound and lovely simplicity. Just felt like a nice inviting all-rounder.

Wanking now.
Glad to see Dave Smith trying to get in before Ulli Behringer takes all his market away (again), and he's getting his chips from OnChip/Curtis now rather than CoolAudio.  Funny how the list of 'Prophet People' in the video features the likes of OMD & Ultravox but not New Order or Japan (a band whose sound was defined by the P5)
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: popcorn on October 07, 2020, 11:34:08 AM
Yeah I noticed the lack of Japan too.

he's getting his chips from OnChip/Curtis now rather than CoolAudio

What's the significance of that?
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: buzby on October 07, 2020, 12:14:11 PM
Yeah I noticed the lack of Japan too.

What's the significance of that?
CoolAudio is a Chinese chip cloning and fabrication company, originally owned by the US-based IC manufacturer Intersil but was sold to Behringer in 2000. When Dave Smith started making analogue synths again in 2002 (as DSI, before he got the Sequential name back), Curtis/OnChip had long-discontinued their original line of CEM analogue synth and filter chips (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CEM_and_SSM_chips_in_synthesizers#Curtis_Electromusic_Specialties) that Smith's designs were based on, so DSI approached CoolAudio to clone the chips they needed (basically they decap the chips and try to copy the silicon layout).

Fast forward some years and Ulli Behringer sees that there's a market in 'recreating' classic analogue synths (largely based on the success of DSI and Korg's products in that market, and open source-based clones of the TB303 and TR808) and so decided to start cloning old synth designs (including Sequential products like the Pro One), mostly based on the CEM chip technology that DSI had paid CoolAudio to reverse engineer. Smith was understandably not very happy with this, and started negotiations with Doug Curtis' widow to get OnChip to start manufacturing new CEM chips (and designing new ones based on the existing architecture).

After mining the classic Moog and ARP synths and having already done the Pro One, Behringer then announced he was working on to 'recreating' the CEM chips used in the Prophet 5 and Oberheim OB-Xa (Smith also makes the new Oberheim OB synth family, joint-designed with Tom Oberheim,) which prompted comments from Curtis' widow (https://www.synthtopia.com/content/2017/03/21/behringers-synth-clones-bypass-widow-of-doug-curtis/).
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: Rich Uncle Skeleton on October 08, 2020, 01:33:07 PM
This is a pretty comprehensive guide. No video but plenty of pics: https://www.premierguitar.com/articles/DIY_How_to_Set_Up_a_Fender_Stratocaster?page=1

Depending on what kind of Strat you have you might need to adjust the truss rod at the heel of the neck (which is a bit of a pain as it involves loosening the neck) as opposed to at the headstock (which is much more convenient).
There's an Italian guy on YouTube who's pretty good on Strat stuff. He seems pretty thorough from what I've watched so far.

https://www.youtube.com/user/FruduaTv/videos

Cheers guys will give these a look
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: Petey Pate on October 11, 2020, 02:16:09 PM
Has anyone here had any experience of using Arturia's recent Keystep Pro? It appears more intuitive than the likes of an MPC or Digitakt, as everything on it is clearly labelled, plus as a (shit) keyboard player, having an interface with actual keys is preferable to pads and buttons.

So I took the plunge and got one of these. The sole downside of it so far is that you can't use it to program change external synths (though you can assign MIDI CC parameters to 5 different knobs in it's 'control' mode), as you would be able to with a Digitakt or MPC. Fairly minor inconvenience but still a little frustrating. It's a lot of fun otherwise.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: Spiteface on October 11, 2020, 02:43:45 PM
I have to admit, I'm resisting the temptation to stick a humbucker in the bridge position of my Jaguar like the Jag Thurston Moore and Kim Gordon used in Sonic Youth

http://www.sonicyouth.com/mustang/eq/gtr34.html

I don't really use the bridge pickup alone on my Jag, sometimes I use both pickups at once though.

Maybe I should just get a nice set of single coils. The Creamery do the "Extra Width" set which is a little hotter and rounder-sounding. That might be what the bridge position needs on mine. It's a bit too thin by itself.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on October 11, 2020, 03:50:07 PM
You can get single-coil sized humbuckers which save you a bit of aggro installing? I remember the pickup mounts on my old jag were a pain in the arse though so maybe not.

Useless comment.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: Spiteface on October 11, 2020, 04:00:25 PM
I have seen humbucker pickups specifically designed for Jaguars,claw and all:

https://www.sentellpickups.net/Jaguar.html

In all honesty, I think I should stick with single coils unless I buy a Jag with humbuckers as standard. I do like the "middle" position, and maybe a humbucker would ruin that, even if you split it.

Maybe Johnny Marr had the right idea with the pickups in series setting on his signature model, which Fender carried over the the American Professional Jaguars.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on October 11, 2020, 04:02:29 PM
Those look dead good!

Can someone explain to a dunce (me) what the difference between in phase/out of phase/series pickups are and how it works?
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: Spiteface on October 11, 2020, 04:13:32 PM
Those look dead good!

Can someone explain to a dunce (me) what the difference between in phase/out of phase/series pickups are and how it works?

Out-of-phase with pickups, are where certain frequencies cancel each other out, and what's left will lead to a thinner sound, that people like.

The in-between positions on a strat (i.e. Bridge & middle or neck & middle) are cited as an example of this. Another famous "out of phase" sound, is the middle setting on Peter Green's 1959 Les Paul (currently owned by Metallica's Kirk Hammett). A repair gone a bit wrong, resulting in a happy accident.

With series & parallel, I own a Fender Baja Tele, and there's switching on this that does the series/parallel thing as well as phasing.

On a Baja, both pickups, in Parallel, is the classic middle position tele tone everyone knows. Pickups in series, results in a output of combined impedance/output of the two pickups, resulting in a thicker, darker tone, almost humbucker-like. To me it sounds like a beefier version of the parallel version.

Brian May has this kind of stuff on his Red Special, as well.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: Rizla on October 11, 2020, 04:17:34 PM
Out-of-phase with pickups, are where certain frequencies cancel each other out, and what's left will lead to a thinner sound, that people like.


AKA racist-tone. As used by Clapton, Skynyrd et al.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on October 11, 2020, 04:30:44 PM
How do you like the baja telecaster? Was looking at one for a “quit my job” treat.

Would love to replace my mustang as well and I can’t get back into buying hundreds of fucking guitars again.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: Spiteface on October 11, 2020, 05:14:52 PM
The Baja is great. Does what I want a good tele to do. Mostly playing my Jaguar and Les Pauls at the moment, though.

They discontinued it recently, and the Vintera series is what replaced the classic player stuff the Baja was part of.

The current equivalent of the Baja is the Vintera 50s Modified or 60s Modified, as those are the ones that have the switching that used to be on the Baja (4-way switch for pickups in series, S-1 button for out of phase tones).
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: SteveDave on October 12, 2020, 03:46:40 PM
I borrowed one of those Mellotron Mel9 pedals off a rich friend and I've spent most of the time playing the intro to "Strawberry Fields Forever" over and over. I have done some other proper things for some new songs in lieu of figuring out how to get all the violin people I know to get together to record something in these unprecedented times.   
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: Spiteface on October 12, 2020, 05:20:37 PM
Finding myself wanting this:

https://reverb.com/uk/item/36049873-marshall-2525h-silver-jubilee-design-store-navy-blue

Considering my previous experience of the Marshall "Studio" line was the JCM800 version (the SC20H), this might be a bad idea. The JCM800, even on 5 watts, needed to be louder than I or my neighbours would be okay with to sound decent. I'm told the mini Jubilee is better at "Bedroom" volumes though. I do like the Marshall sound, having owned a DSL5C for a few years. But then I've also really got back into my Orange Tiny Terror as well.

Maybe I should get the combo version of the mini Jubilee and have that replace the DSL, that way I have that and I can keep the Orange on top. They don't do the combo in this colour scheme unless I were to custom order it from Marshall or get someone to re-cover it...
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: PlanktonSideburns on October 13, 2020, 10:22:49 AM
just finished moving house, so can get some gear out permanantley, got me guitar and bass amp tower  (some unknown hardwood GDR bass cab/PA speaker with a terrorbass head, some sort of home-made solidstate guitar combo)



(https://i.ibb.co/LpTY6fn/20201013-101259.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vzNVm8Z)

and a pedal board of fuzz/metal distortion/overdrive - that behringer fuzzclone is an absolute monster on bass, and the devi-ever dream mangler is still my favourate instrument i own

(https://i.ibb.co/f4yWrjm/20201013-101337.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Yp1SfHv)
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on October 13, 2020, 02:42:01 PM
Love those behringer fuzz pedals. I used to tour with a pair of UZ400s in my pedalboard mainly to irritate sound engineers at venues.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: drummersaredeaf on October 13, 2020, 07:48:41 PM
Finding myself wanting this:

https://reverb.com/uk/item/36049873-marshall-2525h-silver-jubilee-design-store-navy-blue

Considering my previous experience of the Marshall "Studio" line was the JCM800 version (the SC20H), this might be a bad idea. The JCM800, even on 5 watts, needed to be louder than I or my neighbours would be okay with to sound decent. I'm told the mini Jubilee is better at "Bedroom" volumes though. I do like the Marshall sound, having owned a DSL5C for a few years. But then I've also really got back into my Orange Tiny Terror as well.

Maybe I should get the combo version of the mini Jubilee and have that replace the DSL, that way I have that and I can keep the Orange on top. They don't do the combo in this colour scheme unless I were to custom order it from Marshall or get someone to re-cover it...

I have an original Marshall 2554 (the combo) and it's perfectly serviceable at a social volume at half power. Assuming the reissues are the same circuit of course.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: SpiderChrist on October 14, 2020, 09:06:03 AM
I'd like one of these please. My Pearl Export was second hand when I bought it in 1986, so I'm probably due a replacement

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0277/2835/files/Gen_Chrome.jpg?2876)

Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: SpiderChrist on October 14, 2020, 09:12:07 AM
Or one of these, if anyone has a spare 7 grand floating about the place

(https://www.gak.co.uk/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,width=645,height=280/https://58eca9fdf76150b92bfa-3586c28d09a33a8c605ed79290ca82aa.ssl.cf3.rackcdn.com/roland-td-50kv-flagship-v-drums-kit-375648.jpg)
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: Spiteface on October 14, 2020, 10:19:55 AM
I have an original Marshall 2554 (the combo) and it's perfectly serviceable at a social volume at half power. Assuming the reissues are the same circuit of course.

From what I understand, the studio amps are essentially the same as their bigger ones, just with  scaled-down power section.

A lot of what I've read indicates the Jubilees work "better" at lower volumes, and the 800s are just 800s and still need to be turned up to sound the way people buy them for.

Here's someone demonstrating the combo at "bedroom" level. Lots of Guns n Roses roffs, because Slash uses Jubilees...

https://youtu.be/vonLptTIrWE
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: Spiteface on October 17, 2020, 05:24:23 PM
Changed my mind AGAIN, as I remembered the Victory Sheriff and how much I like what I heard of those amps. THEN, I remebered Victory make these:

https://www.victoryamps.com/v4-the-sheriff-pedal-preamp (https://www.victoryamps.com/v4-the-sheriff-pedal-preamp)

A preamp in pedal format. They currently do 4, three of which are the same housing but based on different amps, in addition to the Marshall-flavoured Sheriff, they make versions of these based on the Jack (formerly the Countess, a high-gain, jack-of-all-trades amp) and the Kraken (A metal amp, designed with Rabea Massad), there's also one based on the Duchess, but that seems to be geared towards people who use their amp as a pedal platform.

Anyway, these can be used like regular distortion pedals, but the proper way to use them is a 4-cable setup using your amp's effects loop. So engaging the pedal means my amp's pre-amp is bypassed and I kind of have the tones of the Sheriff. Turn the pedal off, and I'm back to my amp's normal sound. Handy if you have a Fender with nice cleans but want the drive of a different kind of amp.

Part of me thought these may be a little redundant used with my Marshall DSL5C, but the DSLs seem to be more modern-sounding, whereas the Sheriff is very much in the classic Plexi/JCM800 vein. Cheaper than the grand even the lunchbox versions of these amps cost new (looking at around 350-400 quid). Plus, I get to keep the tones of my DSL5C.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: Sherman Krank on October 21, 2020, 06:15:25 PM
Just bought my first new guitar in about a decade.


Fender Player FSR Plus Top Stratocaster in Blue Burst

(https://i.imgur.com/0JhkxUG.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/niNvUhk.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/wEZqnE7.jpg)

Better pic from website and not my shite phone

(https://i.imgur.com/UYidVTd.jpg)

This Fender Special Run Blue Burst is a Guitar Guitar exclusive and is currently £80 cheaper than the non-FSR Cherry Burst version for some reason.

The main reason I went for this Blue Burst finish is because I was originally looking to put a maple board neck on my Warmoth Swamp Ash Hardtail Strat but the price of second hand Fender MiM necks is silly just now (a lot of them are going for as much if not more than new ones).

(https://i.imgur.com/bhjhKUp.jpg)

The finish on the headstock of the warmoth neck is a good match for this Fender body so I'll likely do a neck swap at some point. I've also been eyeing up some drop in Hipshot staggered locking tuners and maybe a couple of solderless wiring harnesses with a blender mod (Master Vol & Tone for all 3 pickups with the second tone pot converted to blend in the neck or bridge pickup depending on where the selector switch is).

I also got myself a Boss Katana 50 amp and I've a bunch of those £20 Behringer clone pedals on the way (I would have bought more but for some reason Amazon is refusing to deliver some of them in the UK even though they're listed on Amazon UK in Sterling - my best guess is some kind of ongoing lawsuit by Roland or Ibanez).
 
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: Spiteface on October 28, 2020, 12:24:06 PM
Talking about my Baja Tele in here last week made me realise I hadn't touched it in ages - I've been mostly using my Edwards Les Paul or my Fender Jaguar if I wanted single coils. So on Monday, I restrung it and have got back into it all over again:

(https://i.imgur.com/kNeUBPv.jpg)
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: spaghetamine on October 28, 2020, 01:41:59 PM
Buying my first bass this friday off a bloke on gumtree, it's a black P-Bass and the guy is chucking in an amp and a bag for £80 - pretty excited as I've always really enjoyed the few times I've had a go on other people's, such a cool instrument
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: ArtParrott on October 30, 2020, 09:02:13 AM
I was quite taken by this Orville Les Paul Jr. I saw on reverb.com earlier this week - https://reverb.com/item/36245991-scarce-orville-japanese-les-paul-junior-tv-yellow-1991-japan-mij?show_sold=true (https://reverb.com/item/36245991-scarce-orville-japanese-les-paul-junior-tv-yellow-1991-japan-mij?show_sold=true) - Now been sold.

Don't know much about Orville tbh but am very interested in buying a single pick-up guitar and I think the Les Paul and SG shapes suit a single pick-up with minimum controls really well.

There are those Fender Esquire's which are basically single pickup Telecasters but I think they look a bit odd and I'm pretty well covered for Fender shapes in my small collection anyway.

Is there anything else out there sporting a lone pickup for maximum just plug in and play-ability?
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: Sherman Krank on October 30, 2020, 12:56:19 PM
^ Gordon Smith GS1 is worth a look.

(https://i.imgur.com/zRA0FyL.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/VHRDtBc.jpg)

New the basic model is £799 but if you order direct you can spec just about everything.
https://www.gordonsmithguitars.com/shop/guitars/gs/

They don't hold their price as well the big US brands so you can generally pick up a bargain in the second hand market. (Currently going on ebay for around £350-500 mark).

Original owner John Smith retired a few years back and sold the company to Auden Guitars. I haven't played any auden built models but they seem to be carrying on where John left off.
I own a Smith era GS 1.5 thin body and it weighs next to nothing yet resonates like a hollow body. I've also played a few others in the past and was always impressed with them.

Basically they're LP Jr type guitars but with better build quality than Gibson for about half the price.
 
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on October 30, 2020, 02:25:44 PM
I had one of those Gibson melody makers with two pickups and it was pretty obviously finished as cheaply as possible. Swapped it for my Jaguar which I liked a lot more.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: ArtParrott on October 30, 2020, 02:38:49 PM
^ Gordon Smith GS1 is worth a look.

Thanks, will add it to my Reverb feed now. I'm no Fender/Gibson purist, picked up a used Sire jazz bass earlier this year for a few hundred quid less than you could get a similar specced Fender for and it gets the job done.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: Sherman Krank on October 30, 2020, 02:39:20 PM
Don't know much about Orville tbh
Forgot to say....

Orville are named for Gibson founder Orville Gibson. They're basically Gibson's version of Fender Japan, that is to say they produce official licensed copies of the US guitars that are supposed to only be sold in Japan.
In the early eighties as part of a deal between Fuji-Gen gakki and then Fender owners CBS Records, Fuji-Gen were allowed to make Fender branded guitars and basses for the domestic Japanese market (with Fuji-Gen's export guitars being branded as Squier).

A few years later Gibson's Japanese distributors Yamano Gakki wanted to start making 'domestic' Gibsons and Gibson being Gibson initially refused but then said they could use the name Orville instead.

Of course these days it's fairly easy to import Japanese 'domestics' to most countries but brokerage fees, shipping costs and import duty greatly increases the cost to the buyer.

I've noticed recently that the likes of guitar guitar are now punting new Fender Japan imports which are being priced between the Mexican and US models.

I had one of those Gibson melody makers with two pickups and it was pretty obviously finished as cheaply as possible. Swapped it for my Jaguar which I liked a lot more.
If you're buying a guitar to play then a Gibson is the last thing you should buy.
If however you're buying a guitar to stick under your bed for several years then punt to some mug on the net to at least get your money back then a Gibson Ltd edition is the way to go.

Gibson's slogan should be 'For the collectors and speculators not the players'.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on November 14, 2020, 02:32:36 AM
(https://www.stars-music.com/medias/fender/mustang-player-mex-ht-ss-mn-hd-166511.jpg)

Deffo gonna get one and refinish/rewire it to look like David Byrne’s in Stop Making Sense. Don’t care if that’s a shit idea, I need this.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: Sherman Krank on November 14, 2020, 05:59:10 PM
^ Byrne’s was actually a Musicmaster II exactly like this one...
https://guitarchimp.com/products/1966-fender-musicmaster-ii-olympic-white-vintage-electric-guitar
... except he had some kind of humbucker pickup added to the bridge position.

If you're planning to fuck with it yourself then it would make more sense to get a second hand Squier off of ebay or Reverb (you might even get an olympic white one).

If you're getting it modded by someone else then it'll cost at least £500 for a refin, pickup, pickguard and wiring. All the player strats are factory routed for HSH and I've seen some Mustang and Duo-Sonic variants with Humbuckers and P90's so the Mustangs may all be HH routed which would save some time and money.

If you have my luck then 5 minutes after you commit to doing it Fender will announce an FSR Byrne tribute model.




I was so pleased with my Player Strat that I've just bought the short scale Player Mustang bass in FSR metallic lake placid blue.

(https://i.imgur.com/rABdQ2y.jpg)

It's great having a bass I can play for more than 15 minutes without getting overstretching pains in my tiny Trump like hand.
The just about adequate pickup selector switch lets it down though so I'll likely be swapping that out for a mini blend pot.


Even though the Katana has a bazillion built in Boss effects I've also bought some pedals.

(https://i.imgur.com/fV8mJDC.jpg)
Amazon selling these clones for around the same price as 50 grams of Gold Leaf baccy, mad.

(https://i.imgur.com/UpaNwCR.jpg)
The EHX Soul Food is my first Klon clone, I much prefer it to the tube screamer and Boss OD type circuits.

I've got enough left from the money I had saved up to get a cheapish looper pedal.
Currently looking at the £70 Donner Circle which has a decent built in drum machine which would allow me to jam with myself without having to boot up the PC and run a DAW.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on November 14, 2020, 08:15:49 PM
I’d do it myself, orbit sander to take off the finish and respray. Scratch plate replacement off eBay or somewhere (possibly just order the parts from fender), hour with the soldering iron and call it a day.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: Better Midlands on November 14, 2020, 09:00:45 PM
Amazon selling these clones for around the same price as 50 grams of Gold Leaf baccy, mad.

(https://i.imgur.com/dX4hkwZ.jpg)

Amazon have a range of own brand pedals costing around £30-£40 - reviews have them as "not terrible".
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: Sherman Krank on November 14, 2020, 09:33:26 PM
^ yeah seen them, they're just NUX pedals with different printing and they come in some bubble wrap and an envelope rather than a box to keep costs lower. Not as yet available in the UK most likely because they wont fit through UK letter boxes.
The Donner mini pedals are the same thing as are the Kokko pedals although they at least change the colour for them.
TLDR - Pretty much all cheap stomp boxes that aren't behringer are made by a massive Chinese company called Cherub Technology.
Edit - Forgot about Shenzhen Mooer Audio they make a bunch of pedals for other companies (I think they make most of the Donner pedals).
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: kalowski on November 14, 2020, 09:48:44 PM
I have a load of Tone City pedals. Think they're also Chinese built devices and look similar.
But they sound OK to me.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: Sherman Krank on November 14, 2020, 10:44:22 PM
I’d do it myself, orbit sander to take off the finish and respray. Scratch plate replacement off eBay or somewhere (possibly just order the parts from fender), hour with the soldering iron and call it a day.
The scratch plate won't be that easy to get hold of though I just remembered that the Cyclone is a thing that Fender occasionally make. It's a Mustang based model and one variant has the same pickup configuration as Byrne's guitar. Had a look and there's a german ebay lad doing a Cyclone plate that's exactly what you'd want but it looks like he only does them in black or white.
Axesrus (https://www.axesrus.co.uk/ARUPLTEMUSTCYCCON-p/mustcypg.htm) do a Cyclone plate in red tortoise shell but it has the vintage Mustang style slots above the pickups for on/off switches so you'd need to put up with those and drill a hole for the 3 way selector switch.
Fender will be of no use for a non-standard part but there's a bunch of places like Sims that will make a custom plate to order (for about £30-50).

It's weird how Byrne only seems to play that guitar when he's in black and white but I did manage to find a picture where his arm isn't obscuring the added pickup.
It looks to be a bog standard Gibson PAF style covered humbucker in a black plastic mounting ring that's just screwed to the plate. As far as the pickup goes something vintage wound (DC res around 7.5 to 9) would give a more authentic sound.

Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on November 15, 2020, 12:34:53 AM
The scratch plate won't be that easy to get hold of though I just remembered that the Cyclone is a thing that Fender occasionally make. It's a Mustang based model and one variant has the same pickup configuration as Byrne's guitar. Had a look and there's a german ebay lad doing a Cyclone plate that's exactly what you'd want but it looks like he only does them in black or white.
Axesrus (https://www.axesrus.co.uk/ARUPLTEMUSTCYCCON-p/mustcypg.htm) do a Cyclone plate in red tortoise shell but it has the vintage Mustang style slots above the pickups for on/off switches so you'd need to put up with those and drill a hole for the 3 way selector switch.
Fender will be of no use for a non-standard part but there's a bunch of places like Sims that will make a custom plate to order (for about £30-50).

It's weird how Byrne only seems to play that guitar when he's in black and white but I did manage to find a picture where his arm isn't obscuring the added pickup.
It looks to be a bog standard Gibson PAF style covered humbucker in a black plastic mounting ring that's just screwed to the plate. As far as the pickup goes something vintage wound (DC res around 7.5 to 9) would give a more authentic sound.

Appreciate all the research on my behalf! As much as I love Our David, I’d actually prefer a two pickup model so I can do out of phase stuff. Was considering getting the control panel for a Jaguar and trying to incorporate that somehow to remind me of the one I had (and loved) but I’m getting way ahead of myself as I haven’t wielded a soldering iron on a guitar in 10+ years*. I reckon eBay will be my friend but we will see.

Speaking of, I had a look for scratch plates - there are Chinese knockoffs on eBay which might do the job. I could get a big sheet of tortoiseshell from somewhere and borrow a jigsaw from the local tool library to cut and chamfer my own it things got desperate.

This will be a longer project I think to take my mind off the triumvirate stress of graduate school / buying and moving into a house / unemployment from a well paying job (that to be fair I detest), all of which will kick in over the next 6 weeks so I imagine the scope will evolve over time and it likely won’t be done any time soon.

Onwards and upwards!

*Well, a cigarette lighter and the edge of a butter knife + solder, but it’s all the same innit. That was back when I was cool and punk and had an ethos. Now I’ll pop down to the B&Q equivalent and get a soldering iron. Pathetic.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: Sherringford Hovis on November 20, 2020, 01:04:02 AM
Not reading any of this thread, but if your onanism centres around legacy gear in particular, there's a once-in-a-blue-moon fap-goldmine here:

https://www2.ppauctions.com/auction/306/bbc-wales-3-day-sale
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: Nobody Soup on November 20, 2020, 01:34:24 AM
I did something very un-me over lockdown, I got into all these technical dudes and thought instead of just playing vintagey fenders I am going to get a fancy shred style guitar.

(https://i.imgur.com/VSRcY30.jpg)

the roasted maple neck is ridiculously amazing.

I'm kind of interested in the iridium, I own a crappy amp (because my bassist bandmate had a VoxAC15 and I just used that live) but I was thinking of getting a low wattage good amp, but I'm aware that might not fit my needs, I dunno if I'd be able to play it very loud very often and as everyone has mentioned, recording it can be a pain, so the other option is modelling. thing is though, if I did own an iridium for example, would I not need an amp to actually hear it, and if it's a crap amp will it not still be kinda crap?
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: easytarget on November 20, 2020, 04:19:54 AM
so the other option is modelling.
There are some excellent VSTs for free out there.

high gain - one of the four of these : https://ml-sound-lab.com/products/amped-roots
fake Orange : https://blackroosteraudio.com/en/products/cypress_tt-15
various marshalls : https://vst4free.com/dev/258/
more super high gain and an 'impulse response unit' : https://www.stltones.com/products/stl-ignite-emissary-plug-in-bundle?gclid=CjwKCAiAzNj9BRBDEiwAPsL0d9T4FJC-CnN_Djt23MGQItaXXTjomcb6jjSMTvY5_qv1vZHU8ERBQBoCa_4QAvD_BwE

have fun!
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: ArtParrott on November 22, 2020, 03:11:04 PM
Interesting move from BEHRINGER https://youtu.be/Vtwwlv60Vkg (https://youtu.be/Vtwwlv60Vkg) essentially copying Arturias keystep knob for knob.

Thankfully YouTube comments are calling them out for the most part although part of me wonders if this is even real. Post-truth gear.

Edit to add: at the end of the video the host hints at a Behringer DAW, wonder what they’ll base that on.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: grainger on November 22, 2020, 07:58:33 PM
FFS Behringer.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: buzby on November 22, 2020, 09:01:22 PM
Interesting move from BEHRINGER https://youtu.be/Vtwwlv60Vkg (https://youtu.be/Vtwwlv60Vkg) essentially copying Arturias keystep knob for knob.

Thankfully YouTube comments are calling them out for the most part although part of me wonders if this is even real. Post-truth gear.
to the surprise of no-one. Ulli really is shameless. there's some serious cognitive dissonance going on in the comments too - "I was happy with what they were repping off up to now, but not this!"
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: grainger on November 22, 2020, 10:06:41 PM
Well, in the synth world, they hadn't ripped off any modern products, at least not this blatantly. There's arguably a big moral difference between reproducing long out-of-production synths and making a clone of a current product, which will have a cooling effect on innovation.

Of course, Behringer have plenty of form for this in cloning other music tech gear, and they cloned the Mother 32 (somewhat less blatantly). Then there was the obnoxious "cork sniffing" video from last year.. That said, this near 100% copy, down to the locations of logos, does seem to me a step further. Is it a provocation, a test to see what they can get away with?
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: PlanktonSideburns on November 22, 2020, 10:21:09 PM
Fast-fourier Behringer.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: buzby on November 22, 2020, 11:16:33 PM
Well, in the synth world, they hadn't ripped off any modern products, at least not this blatantly. There's arguably a big moral difference between reproducing long out-of-production synths and making a clone of a current product, which will have a cooling effect on innovation.

Of course, Behringer have plenty of form for this in cloning other music tech gear, and they cloned the Mother 32 (somewhat less blatantly). Then there was the obnoxious "cork sniffing" video from last year.. That said, this near 100% copy, down to the locations of logos, does seem to me a step further. Is it a provocation, a test to see what they can get away with?
Behringer's 303 and 808 clones are unlicenced copies of existing open source clone projects. Their ARP Odyssey clone came out 4 years after after Korg re-released it. The Moog Voyager (which is basically an updated Model D) has never been out of production and Moog re-released the Model D as a limited edition in 2016. The DSI Mopho from 2009 is basically the Pro One MkII and Behringer announced they were cloning the Prophet 5 while Dave Smith was working on his reissue. None of these were long out of production.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: grainger on November 23, 2020, 03:53:00 PM
This Keystep rip-off is still much more blatant, being an almost exact copy with a different colour theme applied.

I believe that all the others were machines long out of patent. Moog don't own the patent on the Model D, so Behringer is as entitled to make a Model D reissue as they are.

That's very different from openly copying a current product almost exactly, and is likely to have a cooling effect on innovation in the industry - the others, not so much, I think.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: buzby on November 23, 2020, 09:10:24 PM
This Keystep rip-off is still much more blatant, being an almost exact copy with a different colour theme applied.
The Behringer Odyssey is a virtually exact copy visually of the ARP/Korg original it's cloned from, with the same colour scheme. Same with the panel of their Pro One clone , even to using the same American Uncial font Sequential used for it's nameplates
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I believe that all the others were machines long out of patent. Moog don't own the patent on the Model D, so Behringer is as entitled to make a Model D reissue as they are.
There are two types of patent. A utility patent, which in synths covers how it works and includes things like the circuit designs (such as Moog's filter patent, which ARP fell foul of when they released the Odyssey), and a design patent which covers how it looks. Utility patents are valid for 14 years (in the MiniMoog's case they expired in the late 80s), design patents are valid for 20 years  About the only thing that would still have any legal protection are circuit board artwork and ROM contents, if the original manufacturer bothered to copyright them. However, in the case of Moog and Korg, as they reissued the products before Behringer cloned them, the design patents may have been reapplied (if they thought long enough ahead). There's certainly enough there to form the basis of a 'passing off' case.

Roland did successfully sue Behringer (to the point of an out of court settlement and forcing them to change their designs) for visually and functionally cloning their Boss effects pedals in 2005.  However, the problem for anyone wanting to sue Behringer now is that the company moved it's headquarters to China in 2018. I don't think any foreign company has ever been successful in pursuing an IP protection case through the Chinese courts.
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That's very different from openly copying a current product almost exactly, and is likely to have a cooling effect on innovation in the industry - the others, not so much, I think.
The cloning of the Odyssey and their announcement of their (yet to appear) ARP 2600 clone certainly seems to have put the brakes on Korg's own ARP 2600 reissue plans. Ulli's bragging about cloning the Prophet 5 is probably what led Dave Smith to get his out first, using development time that DSI could have been using on something else. Arturia did make their name through making VST clones of classic synths, so you could say there's an element of what comes around goes around.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: grainger on November 24, 2020, 07:54:22 PM
The Behringer Odyssey is a virtually exact copy visually of the ARP/Korg original it's cloned from, with the same colour scheme. Same with the panel of their Pro One clone , even to using the same American Uncial font Sequential used for it's nameplates

Yes, I know, but those are ancient products, out of patent. If you're remaking an old product, you arguably should make it look the same: a big part of the appeal is nostalgia. That's very different from cloning a current product. Clearly you don't agree, but we'll have to agree to differ.

Arturia did make their name through making VST clones of classic synths, so you could say there's an element of what comes around goes around.

OK... So you think any remake or a hardware synth - in hardware or software - is immoral if it isn't by the original manufacturer? And what constitutes the original manufacturer anyway?

Look, I'm starting to sound like I agree with those weird Behringer apologists who very quickly start chanting "Capitalism hell yeah" and punching the air, when actually I despise the scummy moves made by Behringer. But neither am I going to take the opposite extreme position. Copying a current product almost identically, even to the point where it seems they're testing the waters of how much further they can push this, is not even remotely the same as cloning a classic synth from several decades before. This is an attack on a relatively small innovator in the market, could also have a huge chilling effect on R&D in the market, and also might be a sign of worse to come.

As you will know, a few years Behringer made a big deal about turning over a new leaf, buying up reputable companies that actually develop new stuff, then coming out with their own, quality new synths. That's why people might be legitimately surprised and pissed off now. True, the signs have been there for a while, but I'm not going to be surprised if people pick up on some things and not others.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: ArtParrott on November 25, 2020, 09:53:32 AM
I'm feeling preeeetty bad about fouling up this thread with this Behringer business now, when there's a perfectly good Behringer thread it could have been dumped in. To get back on with the gear wanking, here's a picture of my "studio".

Sidenote - Also posting this here for posterity, got a baby due next year and will be slimming this setup down somewhat.

(https://i.imgur.com/IKzQv9q.jpg?1)
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: Better Midlands on November 25, 2020, 11:06:56 AM
Nice Spaceman 3 - Big City artwork - I love that track.

You gonna leave it there for the baby?

Do you find you use the OP-1 much?
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on November 25, 2020, 11:35:08 AM
How do you like the danelectro xii? Wonderfully underrated guitars I reckon.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: buzby on November 25, 2020, 12:05:18 PM
In light of Art's post, I've taken it to DMs. Ultimately you are probably right in that we will have to agree to disagree.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: popcorn on November 25, 2020, 12:06:58 PM
I thought the Behringer chat was quite interesting.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: ArtParrott on November 25, 2020, 01:37:24 PM
Nice Spaceman 3 - Big City artwork - I love that track.

You gonna leave it there for the baby?

Do you find you use the OP-1 much?

Currently the mrs. has her stuff in what will be the baby's room, so it's actually her stuff I'm making way for. Might suggest moving the painting in to the soon-to-be nursery though. 

Re: the OP-1, I've used it pretty on and off over the years. It's good at lots of stuff, but not especially great at anything either. I've been mucking about in the evenings doing a lot of sequenced synth/loop stuff so have bought it back out recently for sampling and drum duties. I bought it used for about £450 6 or 7 years ago but it's taken some knocks and is a bit filthy, so I don't think I could sell it and capitalise on the high prices they go for now.

How do you like the danelectro xii? Wonderfully underrated guitars I reckon.

It's good. I'd wanted a 12 string for years and picked it up just before the first lockdown. It's easy to play and sounds good to me, although it doesn't go through distortion pedals particularly nicely. Maybe that's something all 12's struggle from a little bit due to the slight pitch differences between the two strings, I'm not sure.

In light of Art's post, I've taken it to DMs. Ultimately you are probably right in that we will have to agree to disagree.

Sorry Buzby, I didn't mean to offend. Have definitely appreciated all your comments on the Behringer issues in this and the other thread.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on November 25, 2020, 01:44:56 PM
Yeah the effects pedals is what I was wondering about (and why I’ve held off on an electric 12 string for the time being). I’d guess echo/chorus type effects would be alright?

Congrats on the nipper! Forgot to say it earlier, you’ll be amazed how much spare time you have now vs in 6 months time. Just remember the first 6 weeks is hard going but it ends and gets so much better.

I’ve also been enjoying the Behringer chat for what it’s worth.

My local guitar store has run out of Fender Mustangs for anyone who is following along with my tedious guitar buying plans (sorry), but the second hand place down the road has this absolutely beautiful 1965 one (in the right colours!) for about 1100 quid (https://halifaxfolklorecentre.ca/project/1965-fender-mustang/) which I’m trying very hard to convince myself not to buy as it’s about twice my original budget.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: ArtParrott on November 25, 2020, 02:21:58 PM
Yeah the effects pedals is what I was wondering about (and why I’ve held off on an electric 12 string for the time being). I’d guess echo/chorus type effects would be alright?

Congrats on the nipper! Forgot to say it earlier, you’ll be amazed how much spare time you have now vs in 6 months time. Just remember the first 6 weeks is hard going but it ends and gets so much better.

I’ve also been enjoying the Behringer chat for what it’s worth.

My local guitar store has run out of Fender Mustangs for anyone who is following along with my tedious guitar buying plans (sorry), but the second hand place down the road has this absolutely beautiful 1965 one (in the right colours!) for about 1100 quid (https://halifaxfolklorecentre.ca/project/1965-fender-mustang/) which I’m trying very hard to convince myself not to buy as it’s about twice my original budget.

Well I assume it's either the strings or the lipstick pickups, but I know even less about that sort of thing to speculate on whether they could be to blame. But yeah, sounds great through your delays, 'verbs and mods though.

And thanks, whatever I'm left with after I take this setup down will be centered around making the most of a spare 10-15 minutes to turn everything on just to make something. Obviously I've had buckets of extra spare time to do music this year so I won't hold too much resentment against the baby once they're here taking up all our time.

Says '95 Mustang in that links title btw, and '65 in the URL. Looks nice but I always find those Mustang pickups quite strange looking.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: DJ Bob Hoskins on November 26, 2020, 08:55:06 PM
Yeah the effects pedals is what I was wondering about (and why I%u2019ve held off on an electric 12 string for the time being). I%u2019d guess echo/chorus type effects would be alright?

...

My local guitar store has run out of Fender Mustangs for anyone who is following along with my tedious guitar buying plans (sorry), but the second hand place down the road has this absolutely beautiful 1965 one (in the right colours!) for about 1100 quid (https://halifaxfolklorecentre.ca/project/1965-fender-mustang/) which I%u2019m trying very hard to convince myself not to buy as it%u2019s about twice my original budget.

I also have a Danelectro 12-string (the version with f-hole) and it is terrific but if you've never played one it's worth pointing out that the body is basically made from fibreboard so feels a bit cheap and tacky (and headstock-heavy), but ultimately it plays very nicely (great neck) and nails that Mr Tambourine Man type sound just like a Rickenbacker costing 5 times as much.

I also agree with ArtParott - they pair really well with reverbs, modulations, delays (a bit of overdrive/compression also doesn't hurt), but not with full-on distortion type pedals. But then, I always wanted a 12-string for that classic 12-string sound and didn't really expect that it would cover many other bases.

...

As for that Mustang, I'm no expert but given the crazy prices for vintage ones on Reverb.com that seems like a decent price for a refinished model. The closest thing I've seen in real life was on a trip to the USA last year where I played a lovely 1974 Mustang (also refinished, but not in great condition cosmetically) which was going for about USD 1200 plus tax. I assume even a refinished 60s model will only ever appreciate in value. If you have the chance to try it out and it feels right, then it's definitely worth considering.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on November 26, 2020, 10:26:16 PM
Cheers for encouraging me to spend $2k on nonsense 2 days before moving into a house and 4 days before resigning from my overpaid job to become a do-nothing student. My wife thanks you for it. Still a question on whether it is a ‘65 vs a ‘95 but either way I want the bastard.

I had a danelectro U2 and I loved it to bits so suspect I’m be market for the 12 string version. Should have kept it really.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: popcorn on November 26, 2020, 10:35:03 PM
Synthesisers are better than guitars!!!!!!
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: PlanktonSideburns on November 26, 2020, 10:36:35 PM
whats wrong with a contact mic stuffed into a swansealoaf
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on November 27, 2020, 12:10:52 AM
Synthesisers are better than guitars!!!!!!

Is this the most absurd thing you’ve ever posted on here? It must be top 5.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: Spiteface on November 27, 2020, 12:18:47 PM
Synthesisers are better than guitars!!!!!!
Take 2 instruments into the shower?

Keytar, mate.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: grainger on November 27, 2020, 12:25:19 PM
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Edit: I was posting bullshit, so I removed it.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: buzby on November 27, 2020, 01:17:28 PM
Take 2 instruments into the shower?

Keytar, mate.
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/JqdVQ9VdoAg/hqdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: Marner and Me on November 27, 2020, 01:44:00 PM
Just brought myself a Native Instruments Tractor Z2 Mixer. For someone who has fuck all storage space being able to use my digital music collection as opposed to buying singles and also having to find duplicates in some cases, this is a game changer.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on November 27, 2020, 02:05:41 PM
Edit: I was posting bullshit, so I removed it.

It’s never stopped me.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: NattyDread 2 on November 28, 2020, 09:20:48 PM
For about the past 20 years I've only occasionally picked up a cheap old Argos classical guitar we have lying about the house. Always thought it actually sounded half decent, although after spending more time with it than usual on a rainy holiday in the Hebrides, I started thinking about getting something a wee bit better and getting more into playing again.

I was really only thinking about getting an acoustic, but when I mentioned it to a mate he handed me the guitar on the right. It's one of his early own builds which he wasn't happy with, said I was welcome to it for the price of the pickups as he wanted them for his next build. Since then I've been right back into it and it's thanks to this great wee guitar. Love it.

I still fancied an acoustic though and just this week took delivery of the £70 'Delta Blues' Harley Benton on the left. It's far better than I expected for the money. Granted I've never played a properly fancy acoustic, but this has the sort of sound I'm after as I'd like to get into playing some folky country blues sort of stuff (wrong thread, but any pointers appreciated) The action could be better, but compared to what I was used to it's superb. Might have to try one of their pricier numbers further down the line.

TL;DR got right back into the guitar lark for buttons. Just need a nicer amp for the leccy one now.

(https://i.imgur.com/9gVHbOn.jpg)



Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: NoSleep on November 29, 2020, 10:37:17 AM
I still fancied an acoustic though and just this week took delivery of the £70 'Delta Blues' Harley Benton on the left. It's far better than I expected for the money. Granted I've never played a properly fancy acoustic, but this has the sort of sound I'm after as I'd like to get into playing some folky country blues sort of stuff (wrong thread, but any pointers appreciated) The action could be better, but compared to what I was used to it's superb. Might have to try one of their pricier numbers further down the line.

You could improve the action with some emery cloth (not too rough or smooth). Take the nut and the saddle off and sand the bases of both down evenly so that they sit lower. If it goes tits up and you take too much off, just buy replacements (lots of cheap options). A cheap guitar is ace for trying out your luthier skills with no regrets. Or get it done by a professional.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: NattyDread 2 on November 29, 2020, 12:00:49 PM
You could improve the action with some emery cloth (not too rough or smooth). Take the nut and the saddle off and sand the bases of both down evenly so that they sit lower. If it goes tits up and you take too much off, just buy replacements (lots of cheap options). A cheap guitar is ace for trying out your luthier skills with no regrets. Or get it done by a professional.

Thanks for that. My guitar building mate did mention that it could be improved and lots of new guitars will sit too high. Sounds quite easy to sort it.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: NoSleep on November 29, 2020, 02:08:56 PM
Just make sure you make the base of the nut and saddle absolutely flat, as the more solidly they contact the guitar the better the resonance; they are the two places where the vibrating string is in physical contact with the rest of the guitar. I usually lay out the emery cloth on a solid flat surface and just the press the saddle or nut's base down evenly as I rub them over the emery cloth. If you use a marker to the show the limit of how far you have to go you can avoid making it too low.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: NattyDread 2 on November 29, 2020, 04:12:29 PM
Nice one. Might buy some spares just in case I bugger it up.
Cheers!
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on December 21, 2020, 02:16:43 AM
My local guitar store has run out of Fender Mustangs for anyone who is following along with my tedious guitar buying plans (sorry), but the second hand place down the road has this absolutely beautiful 1965 one (in the right colours!) for about 1100 quid (https://halifaxfolklorecentre.ca/project/1965-fender-mustang/) which I’m trying very hard to convince myself not to buy as it’s about twice my original budget.

Wife has agreed I can buy this. Going to go look at it tomorrow.

Could be good lads. Could be very good.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on December 22, 2020, 06:44:14 PM

My local guitar store has run out of Fender Mustangs for anyone who is following along with my tedious guitar buying plans (sorry), but the second hand place down the road has this absolutely beautiful 1965 one (in the right colours!) for about 1100 quid (https://halifaxfolklorecentre.ca/project/1965-fender-mustang/) which I’m trying very hard to convince myself not to buy as it’s about twice my original budget.

Bought it, it is lovely. Original ‘65, serial number has it pre-CBS out of the Fullerton, CA plant.

No more posting for your boy Ferris today, gotta play the shit out of this.

Ok cheers.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on December 22, 2020, 11:48:17 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/hR3b9Nk/8-D992-CB4-9299-4545-878-A-6-ADBB7-A84-D22.jpg)
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: popcorn on December 22, 2020, 11:55:36 PM
?

Not sure what kind of synth that is.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on December 23, 2020, 12:04:55 AM
?

Not sure what kind of synth that is.

The man at the shop said “it’s the best one” and why would he lie?

Exactly.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: popcorn on December 23, 2020, 12:10:02 AM
:-O
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on December 23, 2020, 12:20:13 AM
pwned lmao
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: popcorn on December 23, 2020, 12:35:23 AM
:-|
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on December 24, 2020, 07:14:55 PM
To go back to musical gear wanking, has anyone tried out these Amazon basic pedals Bezos et al seem to be flogging?

I’ve been looking at compressor pedals and that one came up on google for $38 (22 quid?) which seems too good to be true. Looks like they have a whole line, I’m assuming they bought a factory and are churning them out at cost to knacker the sales of competitors. It’s also Amazon, and fuck Amazon (for real though).
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: NoSleep on December 24, 2020, 07:38:23 PM
Not sure whether this is the right place for this, but it is a rather impressive bit of gear:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvUm0KbeO-E

And it looks like there's (at least) one in the UK (in Kingston-Upon-Thames): https://ccgx.co.uk/plek/
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: Bently Sheds on December 27, 2020, 12:56:46 PM
To go back to musical gear wanking, has anyone tried out these Amazon basic pedals Bezos et al seem to be flogging?
I know the 60 Cycle Hum guy did a review of a load of them on his YouTube channel (https://youtu.be/BHjoHu5ou3Q), can't remember what his thoughts were.

I think they're rebranded Joyo pedals. I bought a Joyo Compressor pedal a long while back and, after a few months, the originally silent switch became a massively audible CLUNK in the output signal whenever it was stepped on.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: Nobody Soup on December 29, 2020, 12:11:00 PM
I know the 60 Cycle Hum guy did a review of a load of them on his YouTube channel (https://youtu.be/BHjoHu5ou3Q), can't remember what his thoughts were.

I think they're rebranded Joyo pedals. I bought a Joyo Compressor pedal a long while back and, after a few months, the originally silent switch became a massively audible CLUNK in the output signal whenever it was stepped on.

pretty sure they're rebranded Nux pedals.

They'll work, I guess, I don't use amazon on principal and there are plenty of other budget brand pedals, not to mention a used market where you could pick up an industry standard MXR dynacomp for £40 easy.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: Nobody Soup on December 29, 2020, 01:29:15 PM

as an aside, the pedal market is almost comically piss taking when it comes to price, especially overdrives, there are ethical considerations you can take into account, such as where they're built and who came up with the circuit, but these are still essentially small circuit boards with less than 10 quids worth of components in them. yet you get companies like Vemuram that just copied the timmy circuit and stuck a £350 price tag on it.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: the on December 29, 2020, 04:15:20 PM
as an aside, the pedal market is almost comically piss taking when it comes to price, (...) but these are still essentially small circuit boards with less than 10 quids worth of components in them.

I've often felt this way about certain controllers for music software, where you might be expected to pay many hundreds for an array of buttons and sliders that only send out control information, and contain no actual sound generation or amplification components. I think there's a lot of 'gullibility/affluence marketing' going on in music equipment price points.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: Rizla on December 29, 2020, 04:46:55 PM
Yeah, pedals are really the wild west of gear, so much of the market is snake oil and go faster stripes. I had a brief interest in modding some of my Boss lads but I never got round to it - does the Keeley mod really make your SD-1 sound like a vintage tubescreamer? Sounds alright as it is, why sink £30 into a pedal that cost £20 s/h? Blue LEDs innit (lol brexit).

An aside re pedals - there's an interview with Chris Spedding from about 1973, when he was the no1 session man in london, where the interviewer asks him why he gets so much work, and he goes into an incredibly circumspect description of this magic orange box that only he owns that makes the guitar sound like an organ, which producers are prepared to pay him extra to use on sessions. It must be an MXR phase90 he's describing - it reminded me of the Sound On Sound article about Cher's "Believe", where the producers span some bullshit explanation of the vocal sound being achieved with a vocoder and talkbox, because they didn't want to spill the beans about autotune, it being a sort of dirty little secret of the industry at the time. Or my theory that Dave Davies bullshat the story about slashing the speaker cone because they didn't want other groups to copy their guitar sound, probably achieved with an early fuzzbox or  rangemaster, and liked the idea of them carving up their costly equipment to no avail. But I fear we've been through this before and it all got quite heated, so I'll stop now bye.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: the on December 29, 2020, 10:17:27 PM
No-one said you have to tell the truth in interviews. :)
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on January 09, 2021, 06:51:36 PM
Talk to me about tiny guitar amps.

I want a new tube amp to replace the old solid state amp I’ve been using as a placeholder for years. I think something in the 5-10w range is about right - I’ll be playing in the basement after the nipper has gone to bed and I’m not going to be playing wembley any time soon.

I like the look of the orange micro terrors. Will be borrowing a friends fender blue junior for a little while also because he doesn’t have space to keep it.

Anyone have such an amp? Or any recommendations?
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: NoSleep on January 09, 2021, 06:54:23 PM
Wouldn't an amp modeller plugged into the hifi be sufficient/better?
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on January 09, 2021, 07:09:26 PM
Wouldn't an amp modeller plugged into the hifi be sufficient/better?

Would it? I have no idea at all - I am profoundly amplifier ignorant.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: Rizla on January 09, 2021, 07:24:30 PM
These are the small amps I own

VOX Pathfinder 15r - Very nice sounding amp, the dirty channel's a bit much for me but it can be modded easily to make it less metal. Real spring reverb is pretty nice.
(https://static.turbosquid.com/Preview/001221/503/DR/vox-pathfinder-15r-guitar-model_600.jpg)

Ampeg GVT5H (with a 1x12 cab) - Looks better than it sounds tbh, never had a good time trying to use it live. Has weird bass/tone system (baxandall, look it up), can be switched between 2.5 and 5 watts.
(https://media.musiciansfriend.com/is/image/MMGS7/H75417000000000-06-500x500.jpg)

Orange Crush 35RT - 35 watt solid state amp, maybe a bit overkill for your needs but honestly the best of the 3, very easy to get a great sound, loud or quiet. Built in tuner, great dirty channel, fx loop. Have gigged loads with this, it's really flexible and looks ace imo. Also the only one still in production (there's a new version of the VOX out, don't know how good it is). Superb amp, £230 odd new, I got mine for £120 in cash converters.
(https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/4adbffa418428048fa80e7470b97d9be.jpg)

My mate has one of the little Orange tiny terror jobs, he's very enamoured with it. The little speaker cab doesn't look up to much but apparently can sound great.


Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: NoSleep on January 09, 2021, 07:31:53 PM
Would it? I have no idea at all - I am profoundly amplifier ignorant.

Have you never tried a Line 6 Pod or similar?

If you have a computer and an audio interface you can get software modellers too. And they would give you a lot more versatility (under strict volume control) if you just want to have some fun after the kids are asleep. Modellers will allow you to pick from a wide range of classic amp tops and then pair them up with whatever speaker cabinet you choose (I find the speaker choice is more important than the amp for a variety of sounds, once you get over the amount of overdrive or cleanness you need from the amp you are modelling). Basically most modellers will include a huge range of amps and speakers as well as pedals and rack effects.

Amplitube is a really good software one, even allowing you to choose the room and the placement of mics on the speaker cab (if you can be arsed). And works both as a plugin for DAW or as a standalone app.

https://www.ikmultimedia.com/products/amplitube4/

www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9854a2Nwc8

Review/Demo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65gYubeecac

I use it for way more than guitars or basses. The speaker choices are huge including leslie cabinets of all vintages.

I'm not so sure about the lay of the land for hardware modellers, but Line 6 used to be a leading manufacturer. But Boss and everyone else are in there nowadays.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: popcorn on January 09, 2021, 08:31:06 PM
Hey Ferris remember when I began this brilliant thread with this brilliant post ????


I have just got one of these:

(https://dt7v1i9vyp3mf.cloudfront.net/styles/news_large/s3/imagelibrary/s/strymon_iridium_01-093mjYcZOauq.Nvnsh0z7EQkJlgXR1HQ.jpg)

After years of failing to record my Vox AC15 amp in any way that sounds remotely non-shit I've given up and bought this amp modelling pedal. It's very highly thought of so I'm optimistic. I don't really know anything about amps or tone because I am thick, but so far I'm really pleased with it, because it's lovely and simple and small, and it's so much nicer playing through my monitors (with no Ableton lag!) instead of firing up this massive hissing fizzing box I don't understand. I've yet to do any recording with it, but it is really lovely knowing what the sound coming out of my monitors is exactly the same sound that will end up in Ableton. Goodbye fucking around with mics.

I haven't touched my amp since. It's just really nice plugging a guitar into a really tiny box and listening through my monitors or headphones instead. £400ish.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: NoSleep on January 09, 2021, 09:24:15 PM
That reminds me. On the Thomann site there is a range of extremely cheap modeller stomp boxes in their own Harley Benton True Tone range; one for each of 4 famous amp manufacturers; Marshall, Fender, Vox & Mesa. The Vox AC30 one is different to the others inasmuch as it uses no digital modelling i.e. it's analog.

https://www.thomann.de/gb/harley_benton_california_truetone.htm
https://www.thomann.de/gb/harley_benton_britsh_truetone.htm
https://www.thomann.de/gb/harley_benton_ac_truetone.htm
https://www.thomann.de/gb/harley_benton_american_truetone.htm



Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on January 09, 2021, 09:39:34 PM
Hey Ferris remember when I began this brilliant thread with this brilliant post ????

I haven't touched my amp since. It's just really nice plugging a guitar into a really tiny box and listening through my monitors or headphones instead. £400ish.

400 quid?! On yer fuckin bike you ham merchant.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on January 09, 2021, 09:43:49 PM
That reminds me. On the Thomann site there is a range of extremely cheap modeller stomp boxes in their own Harley Benton True Tone range; one for each of 4 famous amp manufacturers; Marshall, Fender, Vox & Mesa. The Vox AC30 one is different to the others inasmuch as it uses no digital modelling i.e. it's analog.

https://www.thomann.de/gb/harley_benton_california_truetone.htm
https://www.thomann.de/gb/harley_benton_britsh_truetone.htm
https://www.thomann.de/gb/harley_benton_ac_truetone.htm
https://www.thomann.de/gb/harley_benton_american_truetone.htm

Oh those look dead good actually, thanks!

I’m no good at this so here’s a stupid question - can I get one of those, use it as a stompbox and play through my fairly neutral acoustic amp and achieve a similar fender/ vox tone without the need for monitors/computers? I don’t like playing with headphones on because I’m a fucking prima donna
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: NoSleep on January 09, 2021, 09:48:07 PM
I think that's the general idea. If you use a fairly clean amp setting you should be good to go. They have speaker modelling incorporated too so they should sound pretty good DI'd and sent to your monitors too.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on January 09, 2021, 10:19:49 PM
I think that's the general idea. If you use a fairly clean amp setting you should be good to go. They have speaker modelling incorporated too so they should sound pretty good DI'd and sent to your monitors too.

Oh right, nice one! Thanks for that, appreciate the info.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: popcorn on January 09, 2021, 10:26:36 PM
Thanks for that, appreciate the info.

what about my info. ?
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on January 09, 2021, 11:15:09 PM
what about my info. ?

Not worth the paper it was written on, and it wasn’t written on any paper.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: popcorn on January 09, 2021, 11:25:15 PM
I do actually write all my posts down on paper by hand in addition to writing them "virtually" on the www so that's bad news for me.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: drummersaredeaf on January 10, 2021, 12:46:39 AM
I have the Joyo thing that looks a lot like the Harley Benton pedal above - Fender clone. Assuming it's the same circuit, and it's certainly the same case, then they are rips of the Tech 21 amp sims. Really happy with mine. Used it as a means of getting some consistency in practice rooms with crap amps and for mucking about at home. Increasingly they work in lieu of a plugin into the PC too.

Here's a comparison with the amp it's modelling - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwoTIRPkfhE&ab_channel=intheblues

Definitely worth £22.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: NoSleep on January 10, 2021, 01:19:07 AM
I see, they are just clones of the Joyo range for a few quid less. As I tried to place an order with Thomann this week and discovered they no longer include VAT and there'll now be customs charges and leave the delivery company to hold you hostage with these (and probably add a "handling" charge) I've cancelled the order today. It's probably swings and roundabouts price-wise.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: easytarget on January 11, 2021, 03:46:43 AM
Talk to me about tiny guitar amps.
I just got a Revv D20, generally thought of as a pedal platform because it doesn't have much gain and it's pretty fucking clean. It's tubes*, 20W switchable to 4W, headphone out, XLR out for yer DAW, cab simulation for them AND real, fucking speaker out which can get loudish depending on what you plug into it (I reckon you could get a nice broken up tone from a 1x12 or 1x10 on the 4W setting, 20W into a 2x12 can rattle windows). I like it.

by day
(http://futurearsonists.com/images/day.jpg)

by night
(http://futurearsonists.com/images/night.jpg)

*valves in standard RP EEnglish.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: NoSleep on February 11, 2021, 06:28:16 PM
I have the Joyo thing that looks a lot like the Harley Benton pedal above - Fender clone. Assuming it's the same circuit, and it's certainly the same case, then they are rips of the Tech 21 amp sims. Really happy with mine. Used it as a means of getting some consistency in practice rooms with crap amps and for mucking about at home. Increasingly they work in lieu of a plugin into the PC too.

Here's a comparison with the amp it's modelling - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwoTIRPkfhE&ab_channel=intheblues

Definitely worth £22.

Looks like the Joyo and Thomann ones, as well as the Caline ones are all clones of the Tech-21 Sans Amp range.

Anyway I bought one the Joyo AC Tone, the only one in the series that is all analog (which is interesting for an amp modeller) and it's a really versatile tone-shaper, from super clean to full blast distortion. First off it just makes your guitar sound better going through it; it's a guitar conditioner! I found a some people online giving advice on how to make it sound like a lot of different models of AC30 (the "voice" is all important here; full anticlockwise to full clockwise takes you through a history of the AC30, then you have to tweak the tone controls to tune in further). But just playing around with the controls looking for sounds is what it's about. Apparently Joe Walsh uses the Tech 21 Liverpool, which this is based on, in front of his amp and calls it his secret weapon.

Also bought the Behringer BDI21; a clone of the Tech-21 bass DI/amp emulator box , which is OK-ish but sounds better if I go through the AC Tone first and introduce some dirt into the sound (a bit too midrangy to use on its own for bass), then the bass amp emulator brings back the warmth. Instant Tim Bogert/Jannick Top drive.

Also got myself a Caline Pegasus (another Klon Centaur clone) which also sounds nice on bass in front of the BD121. Sounds good in front of the AC Tone too.

And what got me into a pedal frenzy in the first place was my need for a wah pedal. I wanted something with control over the sweep and saw that there's Cry Baby model that would do the trick for around £140 but for £40 the Behringer copy of the same pedal (the Hellbabe) was hard to resist. It's even got an optical controller for the pedal movement, so it'll never start crackling.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on February 11, 2021, 06:38:31 PM
I have a Morley fuzz wah which I quite like - the treble gets a bit tinny if you leave it all the way forward but it was a very big sweep.

I’m shit at wah pedals though.

Edit: I’ve got that Joyo AC Tone pedal in my sights on the basis of your review NS. Might go for it, never got round to picking up a modelling pedal earlier.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: NoSleep on February 11, 2021, 07:30:50 PM
I’m shit at wah pedals though.

So was I, but my main problem is controlling it to stay around the frequencies that I want. That's what's so good about the Hellbabe as you can zero in on the area you want to use (one control for the bottome of the sweep and another for the top) and how wide/narrow and how shallow/deep is the frequency you're on. After playing with the controls I can just happily move my foot up and down on the pedal and it all sounds good, never goes past the sweet spot I've tuned into.

I actually bought it for my Yamaha CP33 Stage Piano, which has an excellent Hohner Clav sound but without some wah it was too static. So I put it through the Hellbabe and then add some dirt through the Joyo AC Tone; perfect.

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Edit: I’ve got that Joyo AC Tone pedal in my sights on the basis of your review NS. Might go for it, never got round to picking up a modelling pedal earlier.

It sounds good going direct into my audio interface and I see people online talking about using it instead of an amp onstage by tapping straight into the PA. And it sounds good through an amp set on a clean setting (probably a whole lot more sounds to be had from it through a driven amp, too).

Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: ArtParrott on February 27, 2021, 10:35:40 PM
Has anyone ever used a zoom h6 or similar as an audio interface? I’ve been looking at the Tascam model 12 mixer/interface/recorder as I’ve been doing a lot of live sequenced stuff recently and need more inputs and a way of recording music without turning on the computer. 

The tascam seems like overkill though and while not massive is still going to take up a big chunk of available space. There’s also the zoom L-12 and R series digital recorders but the latter seem quite overpriced considering they’re 10 years old now.

I’d thought that given the explosion in podcasting that there would be plenty of used zoom recorders out there, and there are, but the used prices are all over the place and I’m not really sure why.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: popcorn on April 27, 2021, 11:45:46 AM
Focusrite have bought Sequential. Weird!
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on April 27, 2021, 12:53:09 PM
Focusrite have bought Sequential. Weird!

Where will I buy discount carpets now?
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: popcorn on April 27, 2021, 12:53:51 PM
Oh Ferris you don't understand synthesisers at all !!
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: popcorn on April 28, 2021, 12:56:44 PM
I have bought this.

(https://static.roland.com/assets/images/products/gallery/td-1dmk_with_cymbal_gal.jpg)

I've long dismissed digital kits - they seem to be the domain of crap YouTube drum covers, DIY metal videos and church bands. But I've always wanted to learn to play drums and I thought this would be kinder on the neighbours.

Observations:

- Took absolutely ages to unpack and assemble. Never had so many boxes.

- Really like the simple set of sounds and how the interface doesn't invite me to spend hours adjusting the level of room ambience etc. I know I'd waste hours on that otherwise.

- Having the ability to pipe in audio from a laptop or whatever makes practicing nice and easy.

- The more I play it, the more I'm impressed with the design and build quality. It's all plastic and mesh, but as soon as you put the headphones on, it feels convincingly real - especially the hihat and pedal, your brain really does forget there's no physical mechanism involved.

- It's not actually that quiet - you're still smacking plastic boxes with sticks, which isn't exactly silent. The neighbour below me complained, so I've pushed it into the corner of the bedroom (with a hallway below instead of a living room). I think that's less likely to annoy people, plus it now doubles as somewhere to throw pants and t-shirts, rock and roll.

So far I'm very satisfied with it as a practice instrument, which is exactly what I wanted from it. I doubt I'll be doing any recording with it. Maybe some demos?!
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: NoSleep on April 28, 2021, 01:22:00 PM
Do you think your neighbours below could actually hear you hitting all the pads or could it just be the kick and hihat foot pedals making it sound like you're keeping time on the floor (ask them what it sounded like)? Maybe you could make a riser to isolate you from the floor. Perhaps a couple of self-inflating mats[1] with a sheet of plywood on top.
 1. Tesco's were selling these off for £3 because their camping gear wasn't selling anymore
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: popcorn on April 28, 2021, 01:22:59 PM
I suspect it was likely the pedals, yeah. I did look into risers/mats/etc but moving them into another room is a cheaper solution for now. If they complain again I'll do some more forensics. edit: on the corpses of my neighbours.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: popcorn on May 01, 2021, 07:48:57 PM
I'm so fucking good at drums. I can do it so my right arm is going 1-and-2-and-3-and-4 but my left arm is going 1-2-3-1-2-3-1-2-3. Never been done before.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on May 01, 2021, 09:47:55 PM
I'm so fucking good at drums. I can do it so my right arm is going 1-and-2-and-3-and-4 but my left arm is going 1-2-3-1-2-3-1-2-3. Never been done before.

Where will I buy discount carpets now?
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on May 15, 2021, 01:59:47 AM
My Boss DD-3 has been slowly decaying for about 5 years. How feasible is it for an idiot (me) to fix it?

It powers on fine but only works in “hold” mode. It used to only impact the highest delay setting (so hold the pedal down and it seems alright), but it’s been creeping along one notch at a time and this afternoon I could only use the very close echo-type setting - anything else requires me to hold the pedal down with my foot. It works as a “hold”, so it’s not a case of holding the pedal down and carrying on as normal because the sound doesn’t decay.

Anyone else heard of this, or any ideas on what’s gone wrong and how easy it would be for a simpleton to fix? I don’t really want to buy another delay pedal.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: NoSleep on May 15, 2021, 05:23:39 AM
I'm not sure I understand what's wrong.
It powers on fine but only works in “hold” mode.

So it only works when you have "Hold" selected on the right hand control? Isn't that some sort of looping effect?

Or do you mean it only works if you keep your foot down on the pedal?

I think it sounds like you've worn some moving parts out. Or maybe the circuit board has collapsed inside the pedal. Best thing to do is open it up and check for damage.

There's plenty of cheap options for delay pedals out there these days.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on May 15, 2021, 01:26:15 PM
Yeah probably did a shit job of explaining that.

Basically, it only works as a hold/looper pedal (ie you have to keep your foot on it, and it loops the signal forever) on all but the smallest delay time setting. It’s been like that for years on the biggest delay time setting in the far right (next to the hold setting), but the issue seems to be migrating along the time settings and pretty soon I’ll just have a second looper pedal that I don’t want.

Google had nothing for me - I think taking it apart and having a look is probably my best bet. Considering I only have time to play properly once or twice a week these days, fuck knows when that will be. I’m not particularly pedal-loyal, boss delays are probably the only ones I’ve always used and will continue to use because I’m a dunce and I don’t want to learn a new interface.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: drummersaredeaf on May 15, 2021, 09:52:46 PM
Rewiring a guitar - pain in the arse or not?

Got a Schecter with a 2xHB both coil split set up that has been done by some sort of idiot. I have a wiring diagram from Seymour Duncan, and started trying to work out what has snapped, but it's a real mess in there. Think I'd probably have to have it all out and do it from scratch as the original job is such a shocker.

Easier to pay someone?
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: popcorn on May 15, 2021, 11:25:41 PM
I'm also facing technical difficulties. Trying to sell my old Vox AC15 amp, spent some time last night cleaning all the bits and pieces and checking it over. Someone came round to try it this morning and immediately discovered the reverb is broken, which I'd somehow missed, great. After he'd scoffed himself home I took the back off and poked at it with a wooden spoon but couldn't see anything wrong. Might try and borrow a wheely cart thing from the pub next door to take it down the guitar shop.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on May 16, 2021, 12:11:58 AM
I’d probably buy that off you because who buys an amp for the pre-installed effects? A clown, that’s who.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: popcorn on May 16, 2021, 12:16:30 AM
It's a proper classic feature though, it's an actual physical reverb tank full of springs and reverb inside the box.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on May 16, 2021, 12:49:44 AM
It's a proper classic feature though, it's an actual physical reverb tank full of springs and reverb inside the box.

Is it?!

Well, what kind of clown wouldn’t know that? A very foolish one, that’s who.[1]
 1. I think I’ve used Fender black face amps exclusively for about... 12 years at this point? I had a Marshall 15w tube amp in 2009 I used for recording but even then I preferred the Fender super champ I had at the time. Like I say, I’m a dunce and refuse to learn new interfaces.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: NoSleep on May 16, 2021, 06:08:32 AM
Rewiring a guitar - pain in the arse or not?

Got a Schecter with a 2xHB both coil split set up that has been done by some sort of idiot. I have a wiring diagram from Seymour Duncan, and started trying to work out what has snapped, but it's a real mess in there. Think I'd probably have to have it all out and do it from scratch as the original job is such a shocker.

Easier to pay someone?

If you're up to soldering and you're tidy up after somebody else's mess that already fits in the space provided, it can't be too difficult, unless the space provided under the pick guard is insufficient for what's crammed there. Then you'd have to be up for some carpentry (making the cavity larger).
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: DJ Bob Hoskins on May 23, 2021, 03:21:23 PM
For anyone making music with an iOS device: a few Moog apps are currently free on the App Store. I nabbed the Model D last year when it was made free for a short time and it’s pretty decent. Download ‘em while you can.

https://www.musicradar.com/news/all-of-moogs-ios-synth-apps-are-currently-free-get-the-minimoog-model-15-animoog-and-filtatron-for-nothing
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: Better Midlands on May 24, 2021, 12:29:16 PM
For anyone making music with an iOS device: a few Moog apps are currently free on the App Store. I nabbed the Model D last year when it was made free for a short time and it’s pretty decent. Download ‘em while you can.

https://www.musicradar.com/news/all-of-moogs-ios-synth-apps-are-currently-free-get-the-minimoog-model-15-animoog-and-filtatron-for-nothing

I got that Model D too last year when it was free, its really good.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on June 01, 2021, 12:31:48 AM
What courier/postal service are people using for guitars these days in the UK?

I’m getting my old tele shipped across the Atlantic and am having to direct my parents despite being entirely clueless myself. I suspect Royal Mail are hopeless but have no idea on alternatives.

It’ll go in a hardcase (but it’s the original fender hardcase, not a big plastic clamshell flightcase type thing) and I’ve told my dad to wrap it in “shitloads” of cardboard (and he’s good value for wrapping stuff in cardboard) so not too worried there. Just want it to be a halfway reliable service for international shipping.

My go-to is fedex - are they any use? Google doesn’t have a clear answer really. I’d guess it’s worth ~£800 so some level of insurance would probably be useful and any personal recommendations on reliability will be gladly received.

(Sorry for using this thread like a personal advice column. I am duly embarrassed at my lack of knowledge.)
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: drummersaredeaf on June 03, 2021, 11:18:09 PM
I worked for Fedex (spit) and the induction contained a tit load of propaganda about how brilliant they are. They asked the group how much a hardback book from Paris to NY would cost - about £50 I recall because we all guessed about a third of that. They boast that they have the best quality and can move a frozen T Rex across the US. But they treat the staff like shit and there's nothing like a self employed van driver to ignore a handle with care sign when loading up a van.

They might well be a bit better in terms of service, but I get the impression it will cost you through the arse.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on June 03, 2021, 11:32:21 PM
(Again - sorry everyone for turning this thread into a Ferris advice column.)

I think the bit I’m concerned about is the “over the ocean and ooh it’s gone missing tough luck pal hahaha” bit. I was talking to my dad about it a few hours ago actually, as I said then, it’s basically tough as nails and would need a shipping crate to land on it to cause issues, and even so I’d be able to replace parts fairly easily. If the case gets beat up, well whatever.

If the actual guitar gets dinged, well... I’ll post a picture if/when it ever arrives, but suffice to say I used it to smash the *fuck* out of cymbals when playing in a punk band as a teenager and I stubbed out cigarettes on it on stage more than once (which ages me a bit).

I’m worried about some sticky fingered cunt nicking it, basically. It’s looking like fedex will get the nod (though I’ll likely pay £200 for it all) and I’ll report back when done. Suspect it’ll be alright? Fucking hope so anyway.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: Spiteface on July 27, 2021, 09:45:19 PM
Talking about my Baja Tele in here last week made me realise I hadn't touched it in ages - I've been mostly using my Edwards Les Paul or my Fender Jaguar if I wanted single coils. So on Monday, I restrung it and have got back into it all over again:

(https://i.imgur.com/kNeUBPv.jpg)

I have a strange relationship with teles, in that I can go months without touching one, but then pick one up and wonder why I dont use one more often. I actually got round to lowering the action on this today, so it's actually easier to play again.

Also, recently saw that Fender is making these:

https://www.fender.com/en-GB/electric-guitars/telecaster/j-mascis-telecaster/0140262326.html (https://www.fender.com/en-GB/electric-guitars/telecaster/j-mascis-telecaster/0140262326.html)

Now, I've had a Squier J Mascis Jazzmaster for years, and really like Dinosaur Jr. This isn't as much of a shock to me as I knew J had used teles for recording since the Green Mind album (this sig model is based on the tele he got around that time and still uses). I'm tempted by it, I must admit, or maybe ordering a blue sparkle tele body from Warmoth and a mirror pickguard for my Baja.


There's also a tasty-looking purple thinline he's been using live in recent years, too.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: ArtParrott on July 28, 2021, 09:58:08 AM

Also, recently saw that Fender is making these:

https://www.fender.com/en-GB/electric-guitars/telecaster/j-mascis-telecaster/0140262326.html (https://www.fender.com/en-GB/electric-guitars/telecaster/j-mascis-telecaster/0140262326.html)


That's nice but why not spend another £17,800 quid and get a proper player's guitar

(https://i.imgur.com/wI06XMg.jpg)
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: popcorn on July 28, 2021, 11:00:43 AM
Went mental and bought a Strymon Timeline. Sounds nice and it has lots of lovely features (including midi sync) but is it worth £430?! what have I done?????
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on July 28, 2021, 11:18:25 AM
430 quid! What on earth were you thinking?!
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: popcorn on July 28, 2021, 11:30:27 AM
it's got midi sync!!!!!
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on July 28, 2021, 11:39:59 AM
christ.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: popcorn on July 28, 2021, 11:48:28 AM
I wish ferris had midi sync.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on July 28, 2021, 12:32:27 PM
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Inspiration Machine.
When we decided to create a studio-class stereo delay effects pedal, we knew we must go well beyond what has been done in the past—in sound quality, sonic flexibility, hardware design, and processing power. We spent months locked up in the Strymon sound design labs dreaming up the most spacious, lush, creative, and tweakable delay effects ever heard.

That’s you, that is.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: popcorn on September 15, 2021, 11:39:45 AM
Went mental and bought a Strymon Timeline. Sounds nice and it has lots of lovely features (including midi sync) but is it worth £430?! what have I done?????

Turns out this was a great purchase and I'm really happy with it. I'm a fucking nut about delay effects and this can just do everything imaginable and then some.

The looper function is also so good it has made my previous looper (Akai Headrush A2) obsolete, which I wasn't expecting. The looper isn't midi-clocked but I've discovered that you can hack that by sending loop start/stop instructions via midi instead, so a robot is activating the loop period perfectly in time with the clock.

In other happy pedal news, I just replaced my ancient Whammy 4 with a Whammy 5. It's the same thing but 1) accepts standard 9v power instead of the Whammy 4's fucking awkward bastard special power cable and 2) has a greatly improved tracking functionality so now you can actually play more than one note at a time without sounding like a robot death rattle. And you can switch it back to robot death rattle mode at any time you like!  An unambigous improvement, Whammy 4 can get down the Cash Converters. If only all of life's decisions were this easy.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: DJ Bob Hoskins on September 15, 2021, 03:01:17 PM
The looper isn't midi-clocked but I've discovered that you can hack that by sending loop start/stop instructions via midi instead, so a robot is activating the loop period perfectly in time with the clock.

Just curious: when you say 'a robot' do you mean a script that runs on the same computer as your DAW/MIDI clock output? My bandmate has a DigiTech JamMan looper and actually went to the bother of building his own gizmo which converts MIDI clock into the proprietary 'JamSync' clock signal which the looper requires (he used an Arduino processor in a metal case to which he added MIDI in and 1/4" jack out sockets). Would be interesting to know if there's a software solution for this. The clock is coming from GarageBand on an iPad, incidentally, so not sure what scope there is within iOS for creating something to handle the MIDI to JamSync conversion.

I just recently bought one of these babies: https://www.disasterareadesigns.com/shop/p/smart-clock-gen-3. Using this I can take the MIDI clock from the iPad, send it onwards to my EHX 1440 looper, and simultaneously send 'tap tempo' signals to my Boss SY-1 Synthesizer and DD-5 Delay pedals so that everything is tempo sync'd. And there's still another 2 ports I'm not currently using which can provide either MIDI or tap tempo outputs. So in other words I can still expand the setup and add another 2 pedals with MIDI or tap inputs. It's a really clever and comprehensive little device and it works like a charm. Highly recommended, although it's not exactly cheap.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: popcorn on September 15, 2021, 04:46:44 PM
Just curious: when you say 'a robot' do you mean a script that runs on the same computer as your DAW/MIDI clock output? My bandmate has a DigiTech JamMan looper and actually went to the bother of building his own gizmo which converts MIDI clock into the proprietary 'JamSync' clock signal which the looper requires (he used an Arduino processor in a metal case to which he added MIDI in and 1/4" jack out sockets). Would be interesting to know if there's a software solution for this. The clock is coming from GarageBand on an iPad, incidentally, so not sure what scope there is within iOS for creating something to handle the MIDI to JamSync conversion.

Nothing as sophisticated as this.

The Timeline has a midi in and accepts midi notes for the looper stop/start functions. I wanted to sync my guitar loops to drum loops in Ableton, so I just use Ableton clips to start and stop the loop at the right moment, in time with the drum loops.

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I just recently bought one of these babies: https://www.disasterareadesigns.com/shop/p/smart-clock-gen-3

As my schemes develop I am definitely going to need something like this eventually.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on September 15, 2021, 05:15:27 PM
Just remembered you spent 430 quid on this. I needed a bit of cheering up so the laugh was very welcome, cheers.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: DJ Bob Hoskins on September 15, 2021, 05:59:25 PM
Nothing as sophisticated as this.

The Timeline has a midi in and accepts midi notes for the looper stop/start functions. I wanted to sync my guitar loops to drum loops in Ableton, so I just use Ableton clips to start and stop the loop at the right moment, in time with the drum loops.

As my schemes develop I am definitely going to need something like this eventually.

Right, I’m with you now. Smart workaround, by the way!

If you do reach the point where you need a device like the SmartClock, you should check out its little sibling, the MicroClock. It’s less flexible but it’s also a fair bit smaller and cheaper.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: Petey Pate on October 01, 2021, 11:31:25 AM
Doesn't exactly warrant a new thread but has anyone else seen the 'leak' of Roland's SP-404 MKII sampler? Here's a list of the specs. (https://i.redd.it/iy1axmowbtq71.jpg)

(https://preview.redd.it/zh7sq2vvjoq71.jpg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e0c135a49a4378e767fcc87b5484f037e1db844e)

I'm definitely intrigued but doubt I'll be rushing to buy one, nor could I really justify purchasing one at this point. While perhaps not the case here, Roland has a tendency to miss out on one of the best features of past gear when upgrading it. One annoying thing about the SP-404 is that you can't sample from an external source and pre-existing samples on the pads at the same time, yet this was a feature of the older SP-303.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: earl_sleek on October 01, 2021, 12:40:38 PM
That looks sweet, but I don't think it's enough of an upgrade to justify $500 for me. Depends how much I can get for my 404A, maybe.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: peanutbutter on October 01, 2021, 01:12:45 PM
music gear nerds, have you any visualiser tools you especially like? Software or hardware.

Would kinda really like some kind of laser thing but they seem mad expensive (LaserCube) or really underwhelming (anything I've seen under  like... 200). Got a whole bunch of LED things that either have basic sound responsiveness built in via mic or have software pushing colors to them.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: Spiteface on October 02, 2021, 10:55:01 AM
My most recent one, a Gordon Smith GS-1 60:

(https://i.imgur.com/vgiRQ3k.jpg)

I really wanted a Les Paul Junior-style guitar, and Gibsons were either too expensive, or 2nd hand 2015 models (the ones with the weird necks & robo tuners). Epiphone hadn't unveiled their "Inspired by Gibson" line either, which has a proper set-neck Junior in it. This was £569, which for a hand-made UK guitar, is really good. Great punky machine, this one. Nicknamed "Maiko-chan" because I'm a wanker that named his guitar, after the sticker I got while in Japan earlier this year.

I like this guitar, but the hum is annoying me. So I'm looking into solutions, i.e. swapping the pickup out for a noiseless one or even a humbucker like this one:

https://www.creamery-pickups.co.uk/custom-13-dirty-northern-p90-dogear-bridge.html (https://www.creamery-pickups.co.uk/custom-13-dirty-northern-p90-dogear-bridge.html)

This makes sense seeing as it's basically designed for Juniors anyway. Would prefer something closer to a P90 so I need to weigh up those tradeoffs.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: NoSleep on October 02, 2021, 11:08:30 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/vgiRQ3k.jpg)

What's going on with the bridge there? Looks like there's a stage missing on that model. That looks like an Epiphone tailpiece compared to the usual bridge you see on that model:

(https://images.richtonemusic.co.uk/product/YGORDONSMITH9556302.jpg)
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: Spiteface on October 02, 2021, 01:22:11 PM
It's a standard wraparound bar tailpiece. Much like how it was done on vintage Gibson Juniors, and on the current production-model Gibson Les Paul Juniors. Gordon Smith offers a few different options if you order direct from them, including a "Lightning" bar, which is essentially a compensated version offering slightly better intonation, a gotoh wraparound with adjustable saddles as well as the classic "Tune-O-Matic"

I have no issue with the regular wraparound, as I tend to play a lot of rhythm and nothing much up the dusty end where you'd notice if the intonation was off. It works fine. I am considering swapping that out if it proves problematic later on, but it's far from urgent for me at this point.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on October 02, 2021, 05:42:47 PM
I’ve had a les Paul jr with the same one piece wrap around style bridge piece. I think there was some guff about brighter tones but I suspect it’s because it was much cheaper for them to produce.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: Spiteface on October 03, 2021, 10:07:09 AM
I’ve had a les Paul jr with the same one piece wrap around style bridge piece. I think there was some guff about brighter tones but I suspect it’s because it was much cheaper for them to produce.

That is almost certainly more likely than any tonal reasons, from a manufacturing perspective.

Juniors were, back in the 50s, "student" or budget versions. I can imagine the one-piece wraparound was easier to fit, keeping cost down. It just happened that people like Juniors as guitars in their own right.
Title: Re: Musical gear wanking thread
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on October 03, 2021, 11:07:10 AM
I tell a lie, mine was a melody maker but same difference innit.