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Title: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: falafel on November 29, 2020, 07:39:02 AM
Contributing to the HA HA TAPE series constitutes my entire creative output for the last decade. It's been so long since the last one I fear if there is any further delay I may need to ritually sacrifice some children in order to get my mojo back.

Anyone interested? In the album, the album, not the ritual sacrifice. Conceits and concepts welcome although at first I'm just wondering if we will get critical mass.

Here's the last one (https://www.cookdandbombd.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=75299.0), for the uninitiated and hard of remembering. Nosleep, our resident production and mastering grandee and all round cunt lovely fella did an outstanding job of shaping these into coherent finished products in the final mix.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: The Mollusk on November 29, 2020, 10:55:19 AM
I’ve been writing more music during the pandemic than I have in many, many years, so I’d definitely be up for it.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: BlodwynPig on November 29, 2020, 10:57:07 AM
I will do a vaporwave remix of the album. HA HA VAPE.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: Non Stop Dancer on November 29, 2020, 11:33:01 AM
I'm in.
Title: Re: HA HA TAPE 5
Post by: the on November 29, 2020, 12:51:42 PM
I'd be up for it.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: spaghetamine on November 29, 2020, 12:55:15 PM
I'd like to take part
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: PlanktonSideburns on November 29, 2020, 01:00:14 PM
ooh didnt know about this
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: Johnny Textface on November 29, 2020, 01:37:27 PM
I'm in! We should probably have a time limit this time.. If you don't deliver you miss your slot? Otherwise it can go on for literally years.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: NoSleep on November 29, 2020, 01:41:54 PM
I'm in.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: NoSleep on November 29, 2020, 01:43:18 PM
We should probably have a time limit this time.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA (tape)
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: NoSleep on November 29, 2020, 02:15:11 PM
Might be worth starting another thread with a less ambiguous title to attract others in that might not understand this is an invitation to make some collective noise with and for CaB.

DONE: https://www.cookdandbombd.co.uk/forums/index.php/topic,83842.0.html

We can probably stay in this thread and I'll bump the other occasionally to attract the uninitiated.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: Non Stop Dancer on November 29, 2020, 03:08:23 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA (tape)

How about just having a loose theme, whatever that may be, and everyone just gets started on theirs ASAP without having to wait for anyone else. There are let's say 13 slots on the album and if you deliver one of the first 13 you're in. Any stragglers could go onto a separate EP perhaps.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: Rich Uncle Skeleton on November 29, 2020, 04:18:59 PM
Sign me up!
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: NoSleep on November 29, 2020, 04:26:30 PM
How about just having a loose theme, whatever that may be, and everyone just gets started on theirs ASAP without having to wait for anyone else. There are let's say 13 slots on the album and if you deliver one of the first 13 you're in. Any stragglers could go onto a separate EP perhaps.

I've thought a race could be an option, but it depends how many people work fast. It could end up that the "winners" would fit on an EP even after a couple of years have gone by.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: drummersaredeaf on November 29, 2020, 06:12:03 PM
In.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: Johnny Textface on November 29, 2020, 10:20:34 PM
Race is fun. Fast and loose.

Covid theme somehow?
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: falafel on November 30, 2020, 09:51:11 AM
Might be worth starting another thread with a less ambiguous title to attract others in that might not understand this is an invitation to make some collective noise with and for CaB.

DONE: https://www.cookdandbombd.co.uk/forums/index.php/topic,83842.0.html

We can probably stay in this thread and I'll bump the other occasionally to attract the uninitiated.

Ah yes, very sensible. I've been malingering here for so long I assumed everyone knew the reference.

I like the idea of a race, but what about incentives? Like so:

Positive: when you submit you get a privilege - eg you can impose a creative constraint of your choice on one of the other participants (subject to agreement), or on the other hand there could be a series of rewards like first in gets to decide what the artwork should be, second in gets a slightly lesser reward and so on

Negative: Every additional month delay adds another constraint

Problem with the negative one is people who take a long time could take even longer...
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: falafel on November 30, 2020, 09:52:45 AM
Or we could just say we've got two months from whichever date, choose a theme and go.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: NoSleep on November 30, 2020, 04:27:28 PM
Or we could just say we've got two months from whichever date, choose a theme and go.

Every device we've used to speed up the process has failed before now, so we could give this a go, but...
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: Phil_A on November 30, 2020, 05:12:58 PM
Ah, go on then. Guess I'm in for this one.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: the on November 30, 2020, 05:52:54 PM
Or we could just say we've got two months from whichever date, choose a theme and go.

Every device we've used to speed up the process has failed before now, so we could give this a go, but...

Yeah, just 'try to get your one song together within a matter of months rather than years' is a pretty reasonable target. If you don't have any convincing semblance of a track together after six months, then it's pretty obvious that you just haven't been working on it.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: Johnny Textface on November 30, 2020, 06:10:45 PM
Tell me when to start 😆
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: NoSleep on November 30, 2020, 06:32:18 PM
Once we have a theme (to unify the tracks) we can start. Any ideas?
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: Viero_Berlotti on November 30, 2020, 07:56:10 PM
I'd be up for this.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: the on November 30, 2020, 08:32:47 PM
Once we have a theme (to unify the tracks) we can start. Any ideas?

Just pissing in the wind:

We could do the film thing again, but being an arsehole who doesn't really like films we could use something more pulpy and trivial like, er, The King Of Kong.

Or take a page of listings like this one I just randomly found (https://archive.list.co.uk/assets/jpg/900/the-list/227/the-list_227_083.jpg), we each pick an item off it to base a song on (it could be completely abstract/tangential, just based on a word or concept in the paragraph).

Covered in piss now.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: falafel on November 30, 2020, 09:43:25 PM
I would gladly go with that second idea.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: Non Stop Dancer on November 30, 2020, 09:45:34 PM
Aye.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: falafel on November 30, 2020, 09:48:39 PM
13 names so far:

falafel
The Mollusk
BlodwynPig (or not???)
Non Stop Dancer
the
spaghetamine
PlanktonSideburns
Johnny Textface
NoSleep
Rich Uncle Skeleton
drummersaredeaf
Phil_A
Viero_Berlotti
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: PlanktonSideburns on November 30, 2020, 09:51:50 PM
im in! will get ons when a theme emerges
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: falafel on November 30, 2020, 09:56:32 PM
Another potential theme - pick a page from the Voynich Manuscript (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voynich_manuscript) and do your worst with it. We could submit tracks alongside the page numbers...

Full scanned version of the book here:
https://brbl-dl.library.yale.edu/vufind/Record/3519597

Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: the on November 30, 2020, 10:09:59 PM
Another potential theme - pick a page from the Voynich Manuscript (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voynich_manuscript) and do your worst with it. We could submit tracks alongside the page numbers...

Full scanned version of the book here:
https://brbl-dl.library.yale.edu/vufind/Record/3519597

Interesting but I'm not really sure how we can extract thematic meaning from something nobody can understand.

I think there is a danger, if the theme is too oblique, that people might just feel stuck and bamboozled for ages before getting anywhere. (And suddenly it's 2023)
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: Flouncer on November 30, 2020, 10:49:01 PM
I'm FUCKING DOWN FOR THIS, please sign me up.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: Petey Pate on November 30, 2020, 11:09:36 PM
13 names so far:

falafel
The Mollusk
BlodwynPig (or not???)
Non Stop Dancer
the
spaghetamine
PlanktonSideburns
Johnny Textface
NoSleep
Rich Uncle Skeleton
drummersaredeaf
Phil_A
Viero_Berlotti


Sign me up please.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: NoSleep on December 01, 2020, 08:41:25 AM
There's really good jpg of Hieronmymus Bosch's Garden Of Earthly Delights on wiki that I could cut up into smaller scenes. Then each of us could pick one to use as a starting point.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/96/The_Garden_of_earthly_delights.jpg/1920px-The_Garden_of_earthly_delights.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/Hieronymus_Bosch_-_The_Garden_of_Earthly_Delights_-_The_exterior_%28shutters%29.jpg/800px-Hieronymus_Bosch_-_The_Garden_of_Earthly_Delights_-_The_exterior_%28shutters%29.jpg)

Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: NoSleep on December 01, 2020, 08:45:42 AM
Or pick another silent film and chop it up again? The Cabinet Of Dr Caligari, maybe. Or Nosferatu? Any suggestions?
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: Petey Pate on December 01, 2020, 10:02:25 AM
Or pick another silent film and chop it up again? The Cabinet Of Dr Caligari, maybe. Or Nosferatu? Any suggestions?

We could each be assigned a short silent film from the same series (e.g. Chaplin, Keaton or even Felix the Cat cartoons) - which would save having to chop anything up, but there would still be a thematic link.

DJ Spooky already did a remix of Birth of a Nation (Rebirth of a Nation (https://vimeo.com/44735602)), so probably not that one. Plus its very racist.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: the on December 01, 2020, 10:44:38 AM
Or pick another silent film and chop it up again?

Sorry to be a dissenting git, but I'd find the use of another dramatic old film to be too aesthetically and sensorily similar to last time. For a theme, can we have a bit of colour and perhaps a bit of modernity this time?

I'm aware that you're keen to keep it timeless and universal, but I'd respond better to a bit of contrast from #4. I'm sure there's a middleground.

FWIW I quite like the Garden Of Earthly Delights idea.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: NoSleep on December 01, 2020, 11:54:37 AM
FWIW I quite like the Garden Of Earthly Delights idea.

It was falafel's idea about the obscure text that brought that to mind, as I had been thinking of making a Ken Burns Effect film of it. There's so much going on in Garden Of Earthly Delights that could be individual paintings.

The wiki has lots of options for looking closely at it.

Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: NoSleep on December 01, 2020, 12:02:21 PM
Plus its very racist.

Like a lot of those old cartoons, too.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: drummersaredeaf on December 01, 2020, 12:53:53 PM
Derke: Music Inspired by TV's 'Derek'.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: falafel on December 01, 2020, 01:55:18 PM
I love the Garden of Earthly Delights idea.

How about we give it another day for ideas then have a poll?
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: Rich Uncle Skeleton on December 01, 2020, 05:12:14 PM
Sorry to be a dissenting git, but I'd find the use of another dramatic old film to be too aesthetically and sensorily similar to last time. For a theme, can we have a bit of colour and perhaps a bit of modernity this time?

I'm aware that you're keen to keep it timeless and universal, but I'd respond better to a bit of contrast from #4. I'm sure there's a middleground.

I'm with the on that. And whoever mentioned a possible covid theme

I also like garden of earthly delights but every time I open this thread I just get the XTC song stuck in my head, which is great
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: Petey Pate on December 01, 2020, 05:18:12 PM
Like a lot of those old cartoons, too.

Indeed.  the has a good point regarding the similarities of the previous album, so I'd be happy with the Garden of Earthly Delights idea too.

Maybe if we're all still around in 2024 we could revisit Aelita for the film's 100th anniversary, though I suspect this project might not even be done by then...
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: NoSleep on December 01, 2020, 05:35:54 PM
Maybe if we're all still around in 2024 we could revisit Aelita for the film's 100th anniversary, though I suspect this project might not even be done by then...

When I have the time (ever) I'll get the improved version of Aelita: The Music Video featuring edits and remixes of the HA HA TAPE 4 music. Once that's done, I might go back in and try to make more of a soundtrack to the film; a bit more minimal with various bits of the different tunes dotted about where they fit most aptly. Also, I've determined that the shorter version of the film doesn't miss much out, if anything. It's simply been made to a more modern idea of editing. There's loads of scenes that drag in the full version. So I'll probably use the shortened version for the final version (or make my own shortened version if I find anything went missing, I've not found anything so far). Maybe that new HD transfer of the film will be around to use by then.

Which reminds me: falafel has still to send me stems from his track. I think he sent me some stems at one point, but he was going to give me the piano parts separated and in full (definitely usable).
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: PlanktonSideburns on December 01, 2020, 05:52:07 PM
Another potential theme - pick a page from the Voynich Manuscript (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voynich_manuscript) and do your worst with it. We could submit tracks alongside the page numbers...

Full scanned version of the book here:
https://brbl-dl.library.yale.edu/vufind/Record/3519597

Love it
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: falafel on December 01, 2020, 06:03:29 PM


Which reminds me: falafel has still to send me stems from his track. I think he sent me some stems at one point, but he was going to give me the piano parts separated and in full (definitely usable).

Ah yes, indeed I do

I'll sort that this week
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: Johnny Textface on December 01, 2020, 06:30:21 PM
Seems an odd choice to willfully ignore a covid theme as we are living it... Although whether it inspires creativity or not is another thing..
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: falafel on December 01, 2020, 06:48:49 PM
Are you thinking a general covid concept (ie write something inspired by the pandemic) or something more specific?
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: the on December 01, 2020, 10:26:23 PM
Seems an odd choice to willfully ignore a covid theme as we are living it... Although whether it inspires creativity or not is another thing..

I'm sure it's going to be the album's elephant in the room, but it doesn't have to be its focal point.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: NoSleep on December 01, 2020, 11:50:04 PM
Yeah, the album can't be anything other than of its time (so maybe more vaccine-then-recovery-themed at our speed).
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: PlanktonSideburns on December 02, 2020, 09:24:26 AM
Covid hauntology

DOYER REMEMBER COVID?!

WHAT WE'RE ALL THAT ABOUT!!!
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: falafel on December 02, 2020, 11:14:15 AM
Right, poll is up, deadline to add any last minute ideas is end of today and I suggest we get the theme sewn up by end of Sunday (allowing for any stragglers to appear)


If a plurality vote for the film or short films, we can go on to pick which one.

Oooh look at me being all domineering
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: Petey Pate on December 02, 2020, 02:08:42 PM
Oooh look at me being all domineering

Hey, who elected falafel as boss of HAHA Tape?

I completely agree, we need to enforce deadlines pronto.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: Rich Uncle Skeleton on December 02, 2020, 05:00:17 PM
cover the white album[1]

or Godley and Creme's Consequences

By Christmas.
 1. a semi serious suggestion for another time perhaps
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: Beagle 2 on December 02, 2020, 05:28:38 PM
Just pissing in the wind:

We could do the film thing again, but being an arsehole who doesn't really like films we could use something more pulpy and trivial like, er, The King Of Kong.

Or take a page of listings like this one I just randomly found (https://archive.list.co.uk/assets/jpg/900/the-list/227/the-list_227_083.jpg), we each pick an item off it to base a song on (it could be completely abstract/tangential, just based on a word or concept in the paragraph).

Covered in piss now.

I like this idea the most, simply because I want to write a song called "The Cook Report" or "Scottish Women".

I'm in again.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: greencalx on December 03, 2020, 09:01:27 PM
I’m in three minds. On the one hand this is something that could gainfully occupy my time while I’m trying to not get sucked into work when I’m on leave. On the other, there’s a strong possibility I might lose momentum and not come up with the goods. On the third hand[1], whatever I do is unlikely to be anywhere near the quality of the tracks on the first four albums.

Technical question - what format are the submissions presented in? If I do join in, I may be using rather bespoke noise generation techniques. I seem to recall talk of submitting separate tracks rather than a mixdown which would be good to know before it’s too late.

I like the TV listings page as source material too. Something immediately jumped out at me so I have the germ of an idea.
 1. that’s enough body parts
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: NoSleep on December 03, 2020, 09:06:01 PM

Technical question - what format are the submissions presented in? If I do join in, I may be using rather bespoke noise generation techniques. I seem to recall talk of submitting separate tracks rather than a mixdown which would be good to know before it’s too late.


If you like the mix you've created then a 24-bit WAV or AIFF file will do nicely. If you think your mixing is a wonky, then talk with me when you've finished and I will tell you what to send me so that I can finish it for you.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: falafel on December 04, 2020, 07:28:18 AM
If I am disciplined I might try doing the main theme and then whatever is in second place as a challenge. If anyone wants to join me in that (and succeeds) then after a time limit they could be released as an EP. Maybe even before the main album as a taster. You usually get four or five that submit pretty quickly. Purely optional of course. Might never come to anything.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: the on December 04, 2020, 01:07:43 PM
And it goes without saying that everyone is free to imbue their track(s) with as much or as little of the central theme(s) as they wish.

The theme is really meant as a springboard for ideas, as well as the vague notion of a glue that binds the album together.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: greencalx on December 04, 2020, 01:13:24 PM
If you like the mix you've created then a 24-bit WAV or AIFF file will do nicely. If you think your mixing is a wonky, then talk with me when you've finished and I will tell you what to send me so that I can finish it for you.

OK. I think I could manage that. What kind of timescale are we talking?
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: the on December 04, 2020, 01:34:05 PM
If you like the mix you've created then a 24-bit WAV or AIFF file will do nicely. If you think your mixing is a wonky, then talk with me when you've finished and I will tell you what to send me so that I can finish it for you.

OK. I think I could manage that. What kind of timescale are we talking?

      (https://i.imgur.com/LRHNu0S.gif)
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: Rich Uncle Skeleton on December 04, 2020, 01:38:58 PM
Was coming to ask that question, is there a particular time frame people had in mind?

I'm aware that even with less going out right now people still have lives/kids but it would be a good challenge to see if we can get this one together a bit quicker than the last! Not to rush it and ruin it but yeah is a couple of months realistic or have these usually taken a while as a rule?
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: the on December 04, 2020, 01:50:16 PM
Was coming to ask that question, is there a particular time frame people had in mind?

I'm aware that even with less going out right now people still have lives/kids but it would be a good challenge to see if we can get this one together a bit quicker than the last! Not to rush it and ruin it but yeah is a couple of months realistic or have these usually taken a while as a rule?

As mentioned up-thread, I think the best rule of thumb is to (obviously) try to get it done ASAP, but preferably within a matter of months.

The initial HHT albums (which I wasn't involved with) had systems where someone would finish their track and send it onto the next person, then they'd start, and so on - which led to the albums taking ages to complete.

For the last one, we avoided having that kind of time-consuming system (although some of us did send drafts to the next person along) - and it took two years anyway!

So, just avoid dragging your feet if you can and try to produce one track within a reasonable amount of time (ie. not years).
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: Beagle 2 on December 04, 2020, 01:56:31 PM
We did manage a Christmas album on time once!

I have less spare time than I've ever had in my life but I'll just do something quick and dirty if I can't manage anything more polished. I have a guitar and a microphone and very little sense of shame.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: the on December 04, 2020, 02:06:09 PM
We did manage a Christmas album on time once!

I have less spare time than I've ever had in my life but I'll just do something quick and dirty if I can't manage anything more polished. I have a guitar and a microphone and very little sense of shame.

Go for it - again, if you want to concentrate on the meat & potatoes of your song but not necessarily polish up the production, NoSleep can assist with your mixdown and final output.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: falafel on December 04, 2020, 02:10:50 PM
If you're really nice he'll give you a massage too
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: NoSleep on December 04, 2020, 02:15:55 PM
OK. I think I could manage that. What kind of timescale are we talking?

That's still under discussion.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: falafel on December 04, 2020, 02:47:40 PM
Here's a covid theme, everyone has to submit by the time they get vaccinated
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: jonnycuba on December 04, 2020, 06:33:18 PM
Count me in. If it's Bosch I would like to claim the big egg in purgatory.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: NoSleep on December 04, 2020, 07:19:03 PM
This one?

(https://i.imgur.com/eI0fHvc.jpg)
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: jonnycuba on December 04, 2020, 07:22:05 PM
"All back in the egg"
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: hummingofevil on December 04, 2020, 11:34:01 PM
+Me please. I like the Bosch idea.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: the on December 04, 2020, 11:43:54 PM
falafel
The Mollusk
BlodwynPig
Non Stop Dancer
the
spaghetamine
PlanktonSideburns
Johnny Textface
NoSleep
Rich Uncle Skeleton
drummersaredeaf
Phil_A
Viero_Berlotti
Flouncer
Petey Pate
Beagle 2
greencalx
jonnycuba
hummingofevil


Still open for more participants
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: Johnny Textface on December 04, 2020, 11:44:21 PM
This one?

(https://i.imgur.com/eI0fHvc.jpg)

Benny Hill theme
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: falafel on December 05, 2020, 09:22:21 AM
Poll closing end of tomorrow...

I think we could say that people are free to join in at any time but just to avoid it going on forever, whatever the list of people is by the end of tomorrow, once they are all in we wrap up and any late joiners have to be done before then.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: NoSleep on December 05, 2020, 10:02:37 AM
+Me please. I like the Bosch idea.

Have you voted in the poll yet?
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: NoSleep on December 05, 2020, 10:07:29 AM
Poll closing end of tomorrow...

I think we could say that people are free to join in at any time but just to avoid it going on forever, whatever the list of people is by the end of tomorrow, once they are all in we wrap up and any late joiners have to be done before then.

I notice there's more votes than there are entrants so far. Perhaps it would be better to vote in the thread to keep it fair.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: Viero_Berlotti on December 05, 2020, 11:23:02 AM
RIGGED ELECTION!
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: NoSleep on December 05, 2020, 11:23:35 AM
We've been Trumped.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: falafel on December 05, 2020, 12:14:48 PM
Is there any way to see who voted for what in a poll or is it all recorded anonymously?
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: falafel on December 05, 2020, 12:18:54 PM
Difference is only one so far. So if the first place is two or more ahead at the end of tomorrow it's still the winner, right?

Alternatively, if you've voted but aren't participating and you're feeling generous, could you own up and say what you voted for?
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: NoSleep on December 05, 2020, 12:34:18 PM
The polls are anonymous I believe.

If somebody who wasn't participating snuck in to vote would you believe what they said they had voted for?
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: falafel on December 05, 2020, 12:50:08 PM
aaah
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: the on December 05, 2020, 01:00:20 PM
I wouldn't get too hung up on the poll. If you want to disbelieve in the poll mechanism then perhaps don't tie yourself to one in the first place :)

If it's a close run thing we could just do both and it's up to the artist to choose what theme they used (or both, or neither). If it results in more inspiration and tracks getting made then all the better.


      'The Garden Of Earthly Transmissions'

(there's your Covid theme)
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Post by: Johnny Textface on December 05, 2020, 02:23:40 PM
What would the Radio Times listings entail? I voted for Bosch.

(https://static01.nyt.com/images/2018/04/14/arts/television/14bosch-print/14bosch-print-jumbo-v2.jpg?quality=90&auto=webp)
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Post by: the on December 05, 2020, 04:48:48 PM
What would the Radio Times listings entail? I voted for Bosch.

(It never said anything specifically about the Radio Times):

Or take a page of listings like this one I just randomly found (https://archive.list.co.uk/assets/jpg/900/the-list/227/the-list_227_083.jpg), we each pick an item off it to base a song on (it could be completely abstract/tangential, just based on a word or concept in the paragraph)
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Post by: Ray Travez on December 05, 2020, 11:38:52 PM
I'd like to be in this as well. Haven't recorded anything since I set one of Glebe's poems to music for the Clowne concept album.
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Post by: PlanktonSideburns on December 06, 2020, 11:42:22 AM
"All back in the egg"

Back In The U.S.S.EGG
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Post by: NoSleep on December 06, 2020, 11:47:29 AM
I question whether they have been in the egg before. Looks more like an excellent attempt at recycling.
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Post by: NoSleep on December 06, 2020, 02:20:06 PM
I'd like to be in this as well. Haven't recorded anything since I set one of Glebe's poems to music for the Clowne concept album.

falafel
The Mollusk
BlodwynPig
Non Stop Dancer
the
spaghetamine
PlanktonSideburns
Johnny Textface
NoSleep
Rich Uncle Skeleton
drummersaredeaf
Phil_A
Viero_Berlotti
Flouncer
Petey Pate
Beagle 2
greencalx
jonnycuba
hummingofevil
Ray Travez
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: Johnny Textface on December 06, 2020, 02:52:19 PM
Looks like a double album 😆
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: falafel on December 06, 2020, 03:13:01 PM
I think if we split into two then there's a better chance one will be finished sooner. Is this the most people we've had involved so far?
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: NoSleep on December 06, 2020, 03:43:18 PM
Let's just call it one project and have two volumes, with volume one being the people who finish first. We can have a natural cut off point whereby the first album does not to go over a CD length, perhaps. There's no real reason that we can't juggle stuff around later, if it makes sense; it's a doddle to do that on bandcamp.
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Post by: falafel on December 06, 2020, 04:46:36 PM
Good plan.
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Post by: greencalx on December 06, 2020, 05:58:55 PM
I've made a start. Written two notes so far.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: NoSleep on December 06, 2020, 06:38:44 PM
I've made a start. Written two notes so far.

Perhaps you'll want to change them after we've decided on the theme.
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Post by: greencalx on December 06, 2020, 06:47:39 PM
Perhaps you'll want to change them after we've decided on the theme.

If truth be told, the pitch, duration, timbre and timing of both are still a work in progress, so I don't think there will be much wasted effort.
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Post by: falafel on December 07, 2020, 06:40:43 AM
Poll locked. If the results are to be believed, it's The Garden of Earthly Delights.

There's an ultra hi-res version here (https://archief.ntr.nl/tuinderlusten/en.html#) but I don't think it's downloadable. Still great for a look at the details.
Edit: didn't realise the Wiki image Nosleep mentioned is 34mp so pretty massive anyway.

There's still a chance that it was swung by an illicit vote but does anyone object strongly enough to the concept to refuse to work towards it?

A very close second place to the telly listings.
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Post by: The Mollusk on December 07, 2020, 08:41:12 AM
I didn’t vote because I’m an indecisive fucker who’s happy to go with whatever everyone else thinks is good. I suffer creatively with too many options and I work much better with imposed limitations, and my mental health issues have generally dictated in recent months that I will run a mile from having to make any decisions if I can help it. Just tell me what to do!
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Post by: PlanktonSideburns on December 07, 2020, 08:48:33 AM
so do we randomy pick an area to work on is it?
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Post by: falafel on December 07, 2020, 08:48:58 AM
Bosch it is.

We have 20 participants, Nosleep what were you thinking in terms of cutting up the image?

I think we want to make sure everyone is doing a different bit so a 'menu' would be good
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Post by: PlanktonSideburns on December 07, 2020, 08:52:13 AM
im sure theres a neat way to chop an image up into segments on GIMP, could look that up, and make an online folder with segments as seerate images on if thats useful?
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Post by: NoSleep on December 07, 2020, 09:26:01 AM
Bosch it is.

We have 20 participants, Nosleep what were you thinking in terms of cutting up the image?

I think we want to make sure everyone is doing a different bit so a 'menu' would be good

jonnycuba has claimed a particular scene from the GOED already, so, following from that, and as there's so many details within the piece, I think everyone should be able to pick a piece for themselves. But I've done a bunch of random selections for starters (mostly from the central panel). There's also @boschbot on twitter https://twitter.com/boschbot

I think it's fair do's if people pick overlapping areas, as one person's single choice might contain within it details that others have individually chosen. Go in close and there's a myriad of details, pull back out and there's another myriad of broader choices.

If anyone is overwhelmed by the choice (hi there, The Mollusk) then I can set up the usual hat to pull names from here and assign you a section.

There's an ultra hi-res version here (https://archief.ntr.nl/tuinderlusten/en.html#) but I don't think it's downloadable. Still great for a look at the details.
Edit: didn't realise the Wiki image Nosleep mentioned is 34mp so pretty massive anyway.

That's quite good in a way, as it explains some of the details and references parts together from across the whole piece. Some might prefer to interpret the symbology for themselves from scratch, so here a massive 650MB version of the painting that I found some years ago:

EDIT: this link should work: https://mega.nz/file/hKZEwRTB#7XFmQjxSzlgzniWXga-sMZMfwc_uvde6YmOZimLkmo8
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Post by: The Mollusk on December 07, 2020, 09:43:31 AM
I was actually gonna suggest doing it more strictly by section, yeah. The image can easily be divided into 20 sections (4 horizontally by 5 vertically) as I've demonstrated here:

(https://i.imgur.com/31f8Vi6.png)

Wouldn't it be more fun this way, if people were pushed to concentrate on one section each, drawn at random from a hat? Again, in going with my previous thoughts, I think the imposed limitations would be a lot more beneficial to the overall piece, as opposed to people being able to pick their favourite parts of the image and the risk of there being a bunch of crossover. I mean, we're all going to choose the egg otherwise, right?

In short, there's so much happening in the image that each section divided as above would give everyone something very detailed to work with.
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Post by: NoSleep on December 07, 2020, 09:53:19 AM
You can't frame some of the details in the piece across any broad division, so that's why I thought picking out random details would be more interesting. The whole thing is a collection of scenes that can be taken alone (like jonnycuba's choice).

Also, we may pick up some more people, so dividing up mathematically will leave us with nothing more.

And it will make a change to let people dive in and pick something they like rather than be assigned it randomly; there's so much to choose from. I think we should let the order of the album sort itself out after the tracks are done, too (we've always determined the order beforehand in the past).
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Post by: falafel on December 07, 2020, 10:03:35 AM
How about people just post whichever bit they have chosen on here as soon as they have decided, checking to make sure loads other people haven't claimed the same bit first, and for anyone who would rather be given the creative constraint maybe Nosleep could assign a section to you at random?

So we can just use our common sense and not all do the egg, though a bit of overlap is fine if you have a good reason
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Post by: The Mollusk on December 07, 2020, 10:10:42 AM
Fair enough yeah, I can see it from both sides and am happy to go with what the two of you have suggested!

Anyway I pick egg
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Post by: NoSleep on December 07, 2020, 10:47:44 AM
Here's 20 random scenes. I'll post another 20 after breakfast. Click to enlarge.
(https://i.imgur.com/lzrsirn.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/8QGiXed.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/SjXuTZo.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/4fqPPvj.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/IxWleaX.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/HrAMwE4.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/k2lxy2H.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/mVIT505.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/0PIm0wW.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/WA6PDmn.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/95VaivL.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/dZ8Xtnw.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/mPu9nOw.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/jYHso4Z.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/dfvTD1G.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/zVQuAW7.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/oXaiINH.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/rnQhrft.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/VSvVlix.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/Eaxvdaf.jpg)
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Post by: NoSleep on December 07, 2020, 11:48:27 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/jpSHJgh.jpg?1)(https://i.imgur.com/C7fykaq.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/3OugA3L.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/tgHYLka.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/itx7pk8.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/rLSwLts.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/x3zdC73.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/mMdybVE.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/GJXhHCf.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/7u0KgIX.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/roddUwz.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/pdhY78u.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/pdhY78u.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/aJ4bqpY.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/YutSkgS.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/4B9OPiR.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/Cczozge.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/7ydxGNG.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/q0cDt2d.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/xx599S9.jpg)
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: NoSleep on December 07, 2020, 11:50:06 AM
You don't have to choose from these. They're just there as an easy option.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: The Mollusk on December 07, 2020, 12:01:25 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/mVIT505.jpg)

You reckon it's cheating if someone uses the shite sheet music on the bloke's arse? I'm pretty sure it's been done a few times before.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: NoSleep on December 07, 2020, 12:02:53 PM
It's probably public domain, so go ahead. And you're right that somebody's done it before.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: Phil_A on December 07, 2020, 12:11:48 PM
Could I make an early claim on the giant flying fish/lizard man combo?

(https://i.imgur.com/4fqPPvj.jpg)
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: NoSleep on December 07, 2020, 12:12:59 PM
This is the 650MB version of the painting that I unsuccessfully linked to upthread:

The Garden of Earthly Delights (https://mega.nz/file/hKZEwRTB#7XFmQjxSzlgzniWXga-sMZMfwc_uvde6YmOZimLkmo8)
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: NoSleep on December 07, 2020, 12:13:56 PM
Could I make an early claim on the giant flying fish/lizard man combo?

(https://i.imgur.com/4fqPPvj.jpg)

That is a marvellous little detail.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: hummingofevil on December 07, 2020, 12:41:52 PM
https://twitter.com/boschbot/status/1263345530593333248?s=21

There is Bosch bot twitter account that randomly posts bits if it out every few hours. Could be handy.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: NoSleep on December 07, 2020, 02:39:12 PM
Ahem

There's also @boschbot on twitter https://twitter.com/boschbot
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: greencalx on December 07, 2020, 03:53:58 PM
Phil A grabbed the one that jumped out at me. No matter. I'll take this one.

(https://i.imgur.com/HrAMwE4.jpg)
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: falafel on December 07, 2020, 04:09:33 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/8QGiXed.jpg)
Mine
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Post by: Petey Pate on December 07, 2020, 05:42:16 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/pdhY78u.jpg)
Mine
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Post by: falafel on December 07, 2020, 06:05:57 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/pdhY78u.jpg)
Mine

That one is quite breathtaking
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: NoSleep on December 07, 2020, 06:30:55 PM
No need to use the ones I posted if you see a bit of it you like that I didn't post and you need assistance. Just let me know and I will chop it out for you and post it up here.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: hummingofevil on December 07, 2020, 06:35:16 PM
Ahem

Sorry man. Got the covid. Not thinking straight. :)
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Post by: NoSleep on December 07, 2020, 07:31:02 PM
I've got another 40 or so choice cuts that I'll post tomorrow.

Sorry man. Got the covid. Not thinking straight. :)

I should have known there'd be some kind of excuse. (get better)
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: spaghetamine on December 07, 2020, 08:12:19 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/YutSkgS.jpg)

taking this
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Post by: drummersaredeaf on December 07, 2020, 08:50:07 PM
Should have been quicker. I quite fancied owl goblin or pierced berry bird bollocks.
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Post by: NoSleep on December 08, 2020, 08:39:26 AM
Check these out:

(https://i.imgur.com/pFkt9Dd.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/uM2A5y4.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/u6GHHY4.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/7gfXFFU.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/Bf0SxqP.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/tKhY90v.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/nfmOHqw.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/ChZetzn.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/fbv34ak.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/LFollIP.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/lwfGGnK.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/PFvYPjX.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/2Tt6mBm.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/n9a9uop.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/g5ApYfV.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/N8d2x3F.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/i5Lzggm.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/XBeOvFo.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/7ieu8eY.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/MxEPH3N.jpg)

More to follow.

Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: NoSleep on December 08, 2020, 09:38:35 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/uXmI1G9.jpg?1)(https://i.imgur.com/xc2SVKP.jpg?1)(https://i.imgur.com/tL0FiVH.jpg?1)(https://i.imgur.com/BnjHIbk.jpg?1)(https://i.imgur.com/SJQ7yWN.jpg?1)(https://i.imgur.com/iUYetFT.jpg?1)(https://i.imgur.com/0qyw4oH.jpg?1)(https://i.imgur.com/crCGwXD.jpg?1)(https://i.imgur.com/qeAg4zC.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/KPtHexq.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/2j69TmG.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/XqoGTWn.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/4nKXxhY.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/83jlXgV.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/i0WRRgg.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/oVCCM0Z.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/6ARgs3Z.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/XvNStNF.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/IlpNt1t.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/UE1eT3Y.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/H2J9qgP.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/lzrsirn.jpg)
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: NoSleep on December 08, 2020, 09:39:10 AM
I'm grabbing this one:

(https://i.imgur.com/H2J9qgP.jpg)
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: drummersaredeaf on December 08, 2020, 11:26:58 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/XvNStNF.jpg)

I'll have this.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: falafel on December 08, 2020, 12:59:19 PM
The outer panel has its own charm by the way, not just the triptych. But probably better taken as a whole if anyone wants to, there isn't much by the way of detail.
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Post by: hummingofevil on December 08, 2020, 02:31:58 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoofgKJXIAMh1O9?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)

I think I am first to have this.
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Post by: Rich Uncle Skeleton on December 08, 2020, 03:10:23 PM
didn't mollusk have the deceny to resize it take that one already?

edit - sorry, just seen your chunk has more going on below what they've got
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: falafel on December 08, 2020, 04:20:25 PM
I've got a bit of it too but i think it's fine

What does it say if we almost all choose scenes from hell?
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Post by: Rich Uncle Skeleton on December 08, 2020, 04:54:41 PM
One hell of a double album!
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Post by: greencalx on December 08, 2020, 08:28:34 PM
Up to four notes now. Might be done by the time I retire. 
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Post by: Viero_Berlotti on December 08, 2020, 09:20:35 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/N8d2x3F.jpg)

I'll take this one.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: NoSleep on December 09, 2020, 09:12:50 AM
didn't mollusk have the deceny to resize it take that one already?

edit - sorry, just seen your chunk has more going on below what they've got

The Mollusk didn't choose an image; just commented on the music written on somebody's buttocks.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: NoSleep on December 09, 2020, 09:20:59 AM
So far:

falafel
(https://i.imgur.com/8QGiXed.jpg?2)

spaghetamine
(https://i.imgur.com/YutSkgS.jpg)

NoSleep
(https://i.imgur.com/H2J9qgP.jpg)

drummersaredeaf
(https://i.imgur.com/XvNStNF.jpg)

Phil_A
(https://i.imgur.com/4fqPPvj.jpg)

Viero_Berlotti
(https://i.imgur.com/N8d2x3F.jpg)

Petey Pate
(https://i.imgur.com/pdhY78u.jpg)

greencalx
(https://i.imgur.com/HrAMwE4.jpg)

jonnycuba
(https://i.imgur.com/eI0fHvc.jpg)

hummingofevil
(https://i.imgur.com/bhmCPnW.jpg?1)

Still to go:

Beagle 2
BlodwynPig
Flouncer
Johnny Textface
Non Stop Dancer
PlanktonSideburns
Ray Travez
Rich Uncle Skeleton
the
The Mollusk
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: Ray Travez on December 09, 2020, 01:28:45 PM
sorry, I'm not 100% sure what the brief is?
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: NoSleep on December 09, 2020, 01:33:52 PM
There's not really any plan as such. Pick a section of the painting as inspiration for your track. You are not restricted to the readymade sections I have posted above; you can find something in the painting for yourself and post it here (as hummingofevil has done). If you can't post it, a description will do (I can find the section and post it for you).

And the project is probably going to be broken into two volumes; those who finish on time and those who lag behind. There has been no time limit set, and, judging by earlier attempts to shorten the time taken on these projects, this would be futile anyway.
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Post by: the on December 09, 2020, 01:47:14 PM
sorry, I'm not 100% sure what the brief is?

There's not really any plan as such. Pick a section of the painting as inspiration for your track. You are not restricted to the readymade sections I have posted above; you can find something in the painting for yourself and post it here (as hummingofevil has done). If you can't post it, a description will do (I can find the section and post it for you).

In addition to what NoSleep said, I found this tour page (https://archief.ntr.nl/tuinderlusten/en.html#) to be easier for browsing around the painting.

I'm gathering some ideas just from my mind at the moment, so I probably won't pin myself to a region until later - something that complements where it's going. Don't let my delay in selection hold anything up.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: NoSleep on December 09, 2020, 01:52:33 PM
Unsurprisingly large amount of the painting is not annotated on that tour. Which is how it should be.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: Non Stop Dancer on December 09, 2020, 02:33:01 PM
Any chance someone can assign me a random bit please.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: NoSleep on December 09, 2020, 02:34:06 PM
Pick a number between 1 and 80.
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Post by: Non Stop Dancer on December 09, 2020, 03:15:27 PM
42,my soon to be age *weeps*
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: NoSleep on December 09, 2020, 03:56:35 PM
42,my soon to be age *weeps*

Happy birthday, whenever:

(https://i.imgur.com/pFkt9Dd.jpg)
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: Flouncer on December 09, 2020, 05:04:02 PM
I'll have this bit please.

(https://i.imgur.com/lMXWLjg.jpg)
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: NoSleep on December 09, 2020, 05:21:26 PM
Happy birthday, whenever:

(https://i.imgur.com/pFkt9Dd.jpg)

Is this OK, Non Stop Dancer? I can pick another if you want.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: Non Stop Dancer on December 09, 2020, 07:37:16 PM
Is this OK, Non Stop Dancer? I can pick another if you want.
No that's fine, thank you.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: Johnny Textface on December 10, 2020, 05:22:33 PM
Funny if the picture selection took at least year. I'm still mulling over this headfuck of a painting. My initial thought is always to go dark, but I quite like the look of those towers.

Yep I'll go for this one please - I like the idea of bongs being on the floor.

(https://i.imgur.com/XqoGTWn.jpg)
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: NoSleep on December 10, 2020, 05:45:40 PM
If you clear the cache in your browser you'll see I've edited the size of that image down to sensible. I'm not sure what my bandwidth limit is on imgur.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: NoSleep on December 10, 2020, 05:50:58 PM
Still awaiting:

Beagle 2
BlodwynPig
PlanktonSideburns
Ray Travez
Rich Uncle Skeleton
the
The Mollusk
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: QtheRaider on December 11, 2020, 12:13:06 PM
I'm in
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Post by: QtheRaider on December 11, 2020, 12:26:08 PM
I choose this iUYetFT

I cant remember how to copy and save images on here
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: NoSleep on December 11, 2020, 12:54:33 PM
I choose this:

(https://i.imgur.com/iUYetFT.jpg?1)
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: NoSleep on December 12, 2020, 02:40:53 PM
Update:

falafel
(https://i.imgur.com/8QGiXed.jpg?2)

spaghetamine
(https://i.imgur.com/YutSkgS.jpg)

NoSleep
(https://i.imgur.com/H2J9qgP.jpg)

drummersaredeaf
(https://i.imgur.com/XvNStNF.jpg)

Phil_A
(https://i.imgur.com/4fqPPvj.jpg)

Viero_Berlotti
(https://i.imgur.com/N8d2x3F.jpg)

Petey Pate
(https://i.imgur.com/pdhY78u.jpg)

greencalx
(https://i.imgur.com/HrAMwE4.jpg)

jonnycuba
(https://i.imgur.com/eI0fHvc.jpg)

hummingofevil
(https://i.imgur.com/bhmCPnW.jpg)

QtheRaider
(https://i.imgur.com/iUYetFT.jpg)

Flouncer
(https://i.imgur.com/W3UtkfJ.jpg)

Johnny Textface
(https://i.imgur.com/XqoGTWn.jpg)

Non Stop Dancer
(https://i.imgur.com/pFkt9Dd.jpg)


Still to go:

Beagle 2
BlodwynPig
PlanktonSideburns
Ray Travez
Rich Uncle Skeleton
the
The Mollusk

Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: PlanktonSideburns on December 12, 2020, 07:30:47 PM
Still awaiting:

Beagle 2
BlodwynPig
PlanktonSideburns
Ray Travez
Rich Uncle Skeleton
the
The Mollusk

on it
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: PlanktonSideburns on December 12, 2020, 07:45:17 PM
can i have this

(https://imgur.com/g1OcRGi.jpg)
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: NoSleep on December 12, 2020, 08:18:46 PM
Update:

falafel
(https://i.imgur.com/8QGiXed.jpg?2)

spaghetamine
(https://i.imgur.com/YutSkgS.jpg)

NoSleep
(https://i.imgur.com/H2J9qgP.jpg)

drummersaredeaf
(https://i.imgur.com/XvNStNF.jpg)

Phil_A
(https://i.imgur.com/4fqPPvj.jpg)

Viero_Berlotti
(https://i.imgur.com/N8d2x3F.jpg)

Petey Pate
(https://i.imgur.com/pdhY78u.jpg)

greencalx
(https://i.imgur.com/HrAMwE4.jpg)

jonnycuba
(https://i.imgur.com/eI0fHvc.jpg)

hummingofevil
(https://i.imgur.com/bhmCPnW.jpg)

QtheRaider
(https://i.imgur.com/iUYetFT.jpg)

Flouncer
(https://i.imgur.com/W3UtkfJ.jpg)

Johnny Textface
(https://i.imgur.com/XqoGTWn.jpg)

Non Stop Dancer
(https://i.imgur.com/pFkt9Dd.jpg)

PlanktonSideburns
(https://i.imgur.com/NgxBMPm.jpg)

Still to go:

Beagle 2
BlodwynPig
Ray Travez
Rich Uncle Skeleton
the
The Mollusk

Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: PlanktonSideburns on December 13, 2020, 05:05:05 PM
got my tune written

got about another day of fiddling with it and then i suspect i will be done with it

where do you want it and in what format?
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: NoSleep on December 13, 2020, 05:19:58 PM
Send me a 24-bit version of the mix. Don't use any limiters or compressors to loudenate it on the final buss, as I'll be doing that stuff when I have all the tracks gathered. Basically, don't let your mix touch 0dB.

If you want to go the whole 9 then send me some sensible stems, i.e. 4 or 5 stems, grouped into, say; drums, bass, music, vocals; that sort of thing. This will make it easier to master than a single "final mix" file.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: drummersaredeaf on December 13, 2020, 05:32:08 PM
No starting pistol or anything this time then? Just get on with it and the quickest get on 'disc 1'?
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: PlanktonSideburns on December 13, 2020, 06:01:00 PM
Send me a 24-bit version of the mix. Don't use any limiters or compressors to loudenate it on the final buss, as I'll be doing that stuff when I have all the tracks gathered. Basically, don't let your mix touch 0dB.

If you want to go the whole 9 then send me some sensible stems, i.e. 4 or 5 stems, grouped into, say; drums, bass, music, vocals; that sort of thing. This will make it easier to master than a single "final mix" file.

nice one

will send you a pre-master mix and a stemmed version tommorow

Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: Johnny Textface on December 13, 2020, 07:06:24 PM
got my tune written

Wow that's Haha Tape record I reckon.  Nice one!
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: falafel on December 13, 2020, 07:16:40 PM
Shame on you Plankton

I feel as the initiator of this thread I may have neglected my duty in part days so thanks Nosleep for keeping on top of it.

Targeting my track to be done by January 1st. I've got lyrics and everything this time
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: NoSleep on December 13, 2020, 07:24:46 PM
Can't even contemplate mine till I get work out of the way before the end of next week and have several other things it will have to get in line behind when that happens.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: Non Stop Dancer on December 13, 2020, 09:41:13 PM
Send me a 24-bit version of the mix. Don't use any limiters or compressors to loudenate it on the final buss, as I'll be doing that stuff when I have all the tracks gathered. Basically, don't let your mix touch 0dB.

If you want to go the whole 9 then send me some sensible stems, i.e. 4 or 5 stems, grouped into, say; drums, bass, music, vocals; that sort of thing. This will make it easier to master than a single "final mix" file.

Can I ask a quick question? In general, is it best to leave a few dB headroom for the mastering stage? That seems to be the general advice as far as I can gather. Ta.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: NoSleep on December 13, 2020, 11:30:13 PM
That's what I meant by:

Quote
Basically, don't let your mix touch 0dB.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: Ray Travez on December 14, 2020, 09:28:01 AM
There's not really any plan as such. Pick a section of the painting as inspiration for your track.

Cheers for the clarification. I choose-

(https://i.imgur.com/oVCCM0Z.jpg)
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: NoSleep on December 14, 2020, 10:07:32 AM
Beagle 2
BlodwynPig
Rich Uncle Skeleton
the
The Mollusk

Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: Johnny Textface on December 14, 2020, 12:30:35 PM
Headroom is good otherwise there won't be any room to work in.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: the on December 14, 2020, 12:57:34 PM
Fuck it, may as well be obvious

I chop-chop choose you:

      (https://i.imgur.com/gyK8FEt.png)
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: Non Stop Dancer on December 14, 2020, 05:11:51 PM
That's what I meant by:

Sorry for not clarifying, but I meant is it worth leaving more than just a dB or so? I try to not peak above much more than -10dB. Is that just taking the piss?
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: NoSleep on December 14, 2020, 05:23:17 PM
Sorry for not clarifying, but I meant is it worth leaving more than just a dB or so? I try to not peak above much more than -10dB. Is that just taking the piss?

Without using limiters there's going to be a huge dynamic range. Not touching 0dB is going to be mostly way below -10db. If it's 24-bit there's no real loss in the quality even if it's lowish, but my only rule is don't reach 0dB (or use limiters on the main buss). Anything below that is fine, as I'll be determining the overall final levels.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: Beagle 2 on December 14, 2020, 11:10:48 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/7gfXFFU_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=)

I'll take this one please!
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: Non Stop Dancer on December 15, 2020, 05:03:03 PM
Without using limiters there's going to be a huge dynamic range. Not touching 0dB is going to be mostly way below -10db. If it's 24-bit there's no real loss in the quality even if it's lowish, but my only rule is don't reach 0dB (or use limiters on the main buss). Anything below that is fine, as I'll be determining the overall final levels.

Nice one, thanks.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: Johnny Textface on December 18, 2020, 04:06:17 PM
Guys?

BlodwynPig
Rich Uncle Skeleton
the
The Mollusk
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: the on December 18, 2020, 09:34:13 PM
Guys?

BlodwynPig
Rich Uncle Skeleton
the
The Mollusk

I FUCKING PICKED MINE see above
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: greencalx on December 21, 2020, 08:44:44 PM
Turns out that working on this track and marking exam scripts are mutualistic displacement activities.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: falafel on December 26, 2020, 09:02:36 PM
Targeting my track to be done by January 1st. I've got lyrics and everything this time

yeah no
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: NoSleep on December 26, 2020, 11:15:22 PM
I've thought about mine quite a lot.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: Phil_A on December 26, 2020, 11:23:42 PM
I've done a bit of the groundwork on mine, hoping to get properly cracking during my Christmas week off.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: Viero_Berlotti on December 27, 2020, 02:45:06 AM
So what is the deadline for this? I've got a rough idea down, and if pushed could turn it into something finished in a few days. I'm kind of on a late career learning curve with all this though and teaching myself new things all the time and I'm investing in some new software after Xmas. So if the deadline is significantly further down the line I'd prefer to keep my powder dry and submit closer to the deadline as my idea could evolve into something quite different/better given more time.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: Rich Uncle Skeleton on December 27, 2020, 03:10:46 AM
Been way too busy[1] but will actually put some thought into this soon. Need to pick my bloody piece of painting for a start, sorry!! Tomorrow.
 1. I did make a track for the oscillations advent calendar but that was just made that day
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: NoSleep on December 27, 2020, 09:25:06 AM
So what is the deadline for this? I've got a rough idea down, and if pushed could turn it into something finished in a few days. I'm kind of on a late career learning curve with all this though and teaching myself new things all the time and I'm investing in some new software after Xmas. So if the deadline is significantly further down the line I'd prefer to keep my powder dry and submit closer to the deadline as my idea could evolve into something quite different/better given more time.

No need to rush it. Anyone who doesn't make volume 1 will be in volume 2.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: greencalx on December 27, 2020, 08:33:12 PM
I have a first draft, but am happy to tinker for a while yet.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: The Mollusk on December 29, 2020, 05:17:53 PM
It should come as no surprise to anyone who knows me at all that I've not even picked the part of the painting I want to theme my song around yet. To be honest, I don't really feel like I can get around to even considering it any time soon. I've been very absent from the forum and social media over Christmas as I have so much going on in my personal life - moving house next week, trying to return to work after a year of furlough and sudden redundancy, the embittered disintegration of one of my closest and longest friendships, plus all the usual horrible mental health gubbins which has only been exacerbated by the festive period - so realistically even though I know this project takes fucking ages I think it's best I duck out now to avoid making any further promises I might not ever deliver. Sorry everyone.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: NoSleep on December 29, 2020, 05:27:43 PM
No worries. Because of the way this one's been set up, you can always change your mind and join in if you find you have the time. It's still possible for us to allow more people to join in if they want to. The only thing for sure is that the first finished will be on volume 1.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: NoSleep on December 30, 2020, 09:40:33 AM
Update:

falafel
(https://i.imgur.com/8QGiXed.jpg?2)

spaghetamine
(https://i.imgur.com/YutSkgS.jpg)

NoSleep
(https://i.imgur.com/H2J9qgP.jpg)

drummersaredeaf
(https://i.imgur.com/XvNStNF.jpg)

Phil_A
(https://i.imgur.com/4fqPPvj.jpg)

Viero_Berlotti
(https://i.imgur.com/N8d2x3F.jpg)

Petey Pate
(https://i.imgur.com/pdhY78u.jpg)

greencalx
(https://i.imgur.com/HrAMwE4.jpg)

jonnycuba
(https://i.imgur.com/eI0fHvc.jpg)

hummingofevil
(https://i.imgur.com/bhmCPnW.jpg)

QtheRaider
(https://i.imgur.com/iUYetFT.jpg)

Flouncer
(https://i.imgur.com/W3UtkfJ.jpg)

Johnny Textface
(https://i.imgur.com/XqoGTWn.jpg)

Non Stop Dancer
(https://i.imgur.com/pFkt9Dd.jpg)

PlanktonSideburns
(https://i.imgur.com/NgxBMPm.jpg)

Ray Travis
(https://i.imgur.com/oVCCM0Z.jpg)

the
(https://i.imgur.com/IFE7wcG.png?1)

Beagle 2
(https://i.imgur.com/7gfXFFU.jpg)

That just leaves:


BlodwynPig
Rich Uncle Skeleton

Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: Ray Travez on December 30, 2020, 11:54:18 AM
mine's largely done, though I couldn't get my headphones to work so there's bleed through on every track. Frankly it's a mess but according to my wife it sounds 'spooky' so I will consider it a SUCCESS



Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: Ray Travez on December 30, 2020, 11:55:26 AM
I've made a video for it as well. Here it is-

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Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: Viero_Berlotti on January 22, 2021, 09:40:51 AM
OK I think I may have finished my track now. I could've tinkered further, but didn't want to over egg the pudding.

NoSleep I will send you a link to download the stems + pre master mix.

Let me know if all is ok with these.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: NoSleep on January 22, 2021, 09:47:13 AM
You've got a lot further than me. Look forward to receiving it.

Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: NoSleep on January 22, 2021, 12:56:25 PM
Viero_Berlotti is first over the finishing line.

1. Viero_Berlotti (5:28)
(https://i.imgur.com/N8d2x3F.jpg)
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: NoSleep on January 22, 2021, 01:00:01 PM
Been way too busy[1] but will actually put some thought into this soon. Need to pick my bloody piece of painting for a start, sorry!! Tomorrow.
 1. I did make a track for the oscillations advent calendar but that was just made that day

Any progress?
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: NoSleep on January 22, 2021, 01:09:29 PM
will send you a pre-master mix and a stemmed version tommorow

How's it developing?
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: NoSleep on January 25, 2021, 09:46:48 PM
Viero_Berlotti is first over the finishing line.
...followed by greencalx.

1. Viero_Berlotti (5:28)
(https://i.imgur.com/N8d2x3F.jpg)

2. greencalx (3.01)
(https://i.imgur.com/HrAMwE4.jpg)
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: greencalx on January 26, 2021, 07:52:31 AM
Are we wanting titles or will we be using the images as titles, Aphex Twin style (which could be confusing given my user name).
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: PlanktonSideburns on January 26, 2021, 09:45:49 AM
How's it developing?

sorry, bounced the stems ready to go, got distracted by squirrel outside before uploading them and sending, will get on it prontonomously
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: NoSleep on January 26, 2021, 09:48:21 AM
Are we wanting titles or will we be using the images as titles, Aphex Twin style (which could be confusing given my user name).

Titles would be useful as Bandcamp requires them, but I like the idea of the images instead of titles all the same. I think we can possibly wangle both on Bandcamp.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: NoSleep on January 26, 2021, 10:02:34 AM
I usually wait until near release before firming up on the titles. Mainly just to make sure that they're titled correctly, because sometimes the files sent to me have been given working titles only. Getting the punctuation and spelling correct is important too, of course. As is whether people wants their track credited to a name other than their forum moniker.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: falafel on February 17, 2021, 06:13:16 AM
Is anyone any closer to having finished their track? My life has gone nuts in the last couple of months but I may now have a 10 day window.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: RenegadeScrew on February 17, 2021, 12:21:18 PM
Is it too late to participate?  If not, I'd like to do this:

(https://i.imgur.com/crCGwXD.jpg?1)

I can work relatively quickly and have it done it in a day or two.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: NoSleep on February 17, 2021, 01:10:25 PM
You're in.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: RenegadeScrew on February 17, 2021, 01:39:25 PM
Wonderful - music laptop is getting switched on now!

Well, after I roll a joint!
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: falafel on February 17, 2021, 07:40:51 PM
See you in a "day or two"








right everyone you all remember the incantation yeah?
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: NoSleep on February 17, 2021, 07:56:04 PM
See you in a "day or two"








right everyone you all remember the incantation yeah?

Wonderful - music laptop is getting switched on now!

Well, after I roll a joint!

Whilst "switched on" and "now" show promise, "after" and "joint" recall this exchange:

will send you a pre-master mix and a stemmed version tommorow

How's it developing?

sorry, bounced the stems ready to go, got distracted by squirrel outside before uploading them and sending, will get on it prontonomously

...still nothing up till now.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: RenegadeScrew on February 17, 2021, 09:52:55 PM
Whilst "switched on" and "now" show promise, "after" and "joint" recall this exchange:

...still nothing up till now.

Ha ha - laughed more than I should've at this!  But not to worry I made two little tunes, one more weird and atonal than the other.

Not to worry, I made two tunes as the first was a bit too bonkers, although it sounds better now.  I really just need the day or two to assess, doubt, etc.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: greencalx on February 18, 2021, 09:50:06 AM
I know that feeling. Sat on mine for a about two weeks before having the courage to hand over to NoSleep, who was very nice about it so I say go for it.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: Ray Travez on March 04, 2021, 02:43:25 PM
mine is done[1]. What do I need to send, a finished MP3?

how do you send a MP3?
 1. not finished, I'm just sick of it
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: NoSleep on March 04, 2021, 02:59:46 PM
I need a 24-bit wav or aiff file from you, please. Should be the default of whatever DAW you're using.

You can send via WeTransfer, Dropbox (if you have it),Google or Mega. There's lots of options but maybe WeTransfer is the most straightforward if you haven't done this before. Email it to yourself and PM me the WeTransfer link you receive.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: Ray Travez on March 04, 2021, 10:11:22 PM
thanks, I'll get working on it. Not used any of those to send files before.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: NoSleep on March 09, 2021, 09:38:40 AM
So far:

1. Viero_Berlotti (5:28)
(https://i.imgur.com/N8d2x3F.jpg)

2. greencalx (3.01)
(https://i.imgur.com/HrAMwE4.jpg)

3.QtheRaider (4.25)
(https://i.imgur.com/iUYetFT.jpg)
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: NoSleep on March 10, 2021, 07:35:11 AM
Almost forgot:

So far:

1. Viero_Berlotti (5:28)
(https://i.imgur.com/N8d2x3F.jpg)

2. greencalx (3.01)
(https://i.imgur.com/HrAMwE4.jpg)

3. RenegadeScrew (4.03)
(https://i.imgur.com/crCGwXD.jpg?1)

Quote
4. QtheRaider (4.25)
(https://i.imgur.com/iUYetFT.jpg)
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: gabrielconroy on March 23, 2021, 02:21:11 PM
I'm guessing I'm too late to get involved in this, right?
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: Rich Uncle Skeleton on March 23, 2021, 02:32:35 PM
I'm "involved" in this but haven't managed a note of music or even chosen my image so I'd be surprised if you can't join, even if it's just to replace me with someone who has their shit together if it's a question of numbers??
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: NoSleep on March 23, 2021, 03:55:28 PM
I'm guessing I'm too late to get involved in this, right?

You are welcome to join in. Pick a portion (or detail) of Bosch's Garden Of Earthly Delights to act as your inspiration (some ready-cut unclaimed portions earlier in the thread, but you can edit one of your own if you choose). Then start building your track. The first people to finish will end up on HHT5 Volume 1 and the rest will eventually appear on HHT5 Volume 2 both of which will probably be roughly CD length (or not).
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: purlieu on March 25, 2021, 10:18:29 PM
Ok I'm in and will start work on this. My girlfriend recently bought a huge fabric print of The Garden of Earthly Delights which now adorns our bedroom wall, which should no doubt help with inspiration.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: NoSleep on March 25, 2021, 11:23:30 PM
Pick a detail from the painting and upload it here, or choose one of the readymade ones earlier in the thread. There's also a nice huge jpg version of the painting linked to earlier in the thread: https://mega.nz/file/hKZEwRTB#7XFmQjxSzlgzniWXga-sMZMfwc_uvde6YmOZimLkmo8

And the readymades are here:
https://www.cookdandbombd.co.uk/forums/index.php/topic,83837.msg4397933.html#msg4397933
https://www.cookdandbombd.co.uk/forums/index.php/topic,83837.msg4397999.html#msg4397999
https://www.cookdandbombd.co.uk/forums/index.php/topic,83837.msg4398892.html#msg4398892
https://www.cookdandbombd.co.uk/forums/index.php/topic,83837.msg4398928.html#msg4398928

Some of which are taken (check here): https://www.cookdandbombd.co.uk/forums/index.php/topic,83837.msg4418740.html#msg4418740
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: falafel on May 03, 2021, 01:06:12 AM
I have finally been working on mine. I think it might actually be evil. Should be done tomorrow.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: falafel on May 03, 2021, 08:19:10 AM
False alarm, sounds great on my monitors and dogshit on everything else.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: NoSleep on May 03, 2021, 08:52:34 AM
Probably less to do with your monitors than the room they are situated, where they positioned and where you're sitting in it. Always worth having a decent set of headphones handy to eliminate the room.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: falafel on May 03, 2021, 03:58:09 PM
When I say monitors I don't really mean monitors, I mean my K702s which are the closest thing I've got...

I've said this before, this compilation is literally the only thing that gets me back into this for the past nine or ten years and every time I get back the mixing part gets harder and harder... It used to be second nature and I think I used to account for it as a matter of course in the production process. Now I get to the end and I listen back and it's almost like it was designed to sound different on earbuds, speakers, soundbars, you name it. All shit in a different way! It's gonna take time, a whole lot of precious time.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: gabrielconroy on May 03, 2021, 07:33:55 PM
I'm doing this one at the moment:

(https://i.ibb.co/SJdL374/River-Scene-Right.jpg)

It's about 80% done I'd say, so hopefully will finish it soon. Possibly even tonight!
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: NoSleep on May 04, 2021, 08:30:26 AM
When I say monitors I don't really mean monitors, I mean my K702s which are the closest thing I've got...

I've said this before, this compilation is literally the only thing that gets me back into this for the past nine or ten years and every time I get back the mixing part gets harder and harder... It used to be second nature and I think I used to account for it as a matter of course in the production process. Now I get to the end and I listen back and it's almost like it was designed to sound different on earbuds, speakers, soundbars, you name it. All shit in a different way! It's gonna take time, a whole lot of precious time.

Ah, so your monitors are headphones (fairly decent ones). What's your audio interface? I only ask because I recently came across a client who wasn't using one, which explained a lot about the difficulties we'd been having getting things to sound right; I'd always assumed that everyone knew you must use an audio interface, not the line in/headphone out of your computer. I'm guessing that isn't the issue here.

If you're mostly working on headphones I recommend that you go over to Airwindows and grab and install their plugin Monitoring.

http://www.airwindows.com/monitoring-redux/

Put it on your main buss right at the end of the chain. It has a pulldown menu that gives you a variety of options which you can explore the four "Cans" are what will interest you for your mixing difficulties:

Out24: superb 24-bit dithering; leave it in place on this when you do your final mix for me, please.
Out16: superb 16-bit dithering
Peaks: Hard to explain; this does something horrible to the music on purpose, so that you can discern issues about the overall balance of the mix. It's particularly good for checking if you've gone too far with the bass end. I have to stress that this is for checking only, as are all the other options aside from Out24 and Out16.
Slew: check the top end only
Subs: check the bottom end only
Mono: see what the mix sounds like in mono
Side: hear only the stuff in the mix that only comes exclusively from the left or right, i.e., minus the centre of the mix.
Vinyl: hear what it would sound like mastered for and played back on vinyl (removes some frequencies, etc)
Aurat: emulates the sound of a pair of Auratone Cubes (Auratones used to be used in studios to hear what music would sound like on small radios or television speakers).
MonoRat: this emulates a single Auratone coming from the right speaker. Usually there would only be a single Auratone in the studio to more accurately emulate those small radios and tv speakers. It is nonetheless the full mix (L+R) in mono, not just the right hand channel.
MonoLat: Same from the L.
Phone: hear what your mix sounds like coming from a smartphone.
Cans A, B, C, D: All of these are designed to give you a sound in your headphones that is more like listening through speakers in a room. A is the lightest, through to D, the heaviest. I'd recommend to try B.
Voice Trick: Mono mix is sent to both speakers and they are put out of phase with one another by 180°. If you put a microphone equidistant from both speakers the music will cancel out, meaning a vocalist can theoretically sing without wearing headphones and the subsequent recording will not have spill from the mic.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: falafel on May 04, 2021, 01:53:27 PM
Can't thank you enough. Anything that helps me get past my faulty ears and do a bit of objective listening will be a godsend.

Interface is pretty cheap and old but has served me well - Tascam US122 mkII.  I used to have a really nice one which gave a lovely tone to the mic input (I believe valves were involved) but this is OK. It's my ears. Honestly, even when I was OK at it I would sometimes kind of amplify things I couldn't fix to turn the bug into a feature (like the weird sub bass on my very first ha ha track).


Edit: it was a preamp, it turns out, not my interface - ART Tube MP. Lovely for the price.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: NoSleep on May 04, 2021, 05:27:55 PM
I have a Tascam US122L (also a MKII) and an ART Tube MP knocking around here. Those ART preamps are useful as you can plug anything into them and they're good to go; they seem to adapt to anything. You can still find them on ebay. ART still make an upgraded version of them and have upgraded the price, too.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: spaghetamine on May 25, 2021, 07:00:38 PM
hey all, haven't been very active on the forum lately for various reasons but i haven't forgotten about this, track is still very much in the works - peace and love - Yung Spagbol (esq.)
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: spaghetamine on May 25, 2021, 07:01:08 PM
. drunken double post pls delete
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: NoSleep on May 25, 2021, 07:48:38 PM
I think I've had some more finished tracks sent to me and haven't updated the progress on here. Watch this space.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: NoSleep on June 02, 2021, 08:01:57 AM
Update:

1. Viero_Berlotti (5:28)
(https://i.imgur.com/N8d2x3F.jpg)

2. greencalx (3.01)
(https://i.imgur.com/HrAMwE4.jpg)

3. RenegadeScrew (4.03)
(https://i.imgur.com/crCGwXD.jpg)

4.QtheRaider (4.25)
(https://i.imgur.com/iUYetFT.jpg)

5. Ray Travez (5.05)
(https://i.imgur.com/oVCCM0Z.jpg)

6. gabrielconroy (4.16)
(https://i.imgur.com/wASUaE3.jpg)

EDIT: Also:

viii PlanktonSideburns (6.17) but still waiting for finalised version.
(https://i.imgur.com/NgxBMPm.jpg)

Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: NoSleep on June 02, 2021, 08:06:50 AM
Cans A, B, C, D: All of these are designed to give you a sound in your headphones that is more like listening through speakers in a room. A is the lightest, through to D, the heaviest. I'd recommend to try B.

I should make it clear that you should only use this effect while you are listening on headphones as you work on your track. Once you're done with working on headphones turn that shit off. Definitely do not leave it on for the final mix, it's only a working tool, like wearing protective goggles while you're welding. Think of it as ear goggles.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: NoSleep on June 28, 2021, 10:36:43 AM
Update:

1. Viero_Berlotti (5:28)
(https://i.imgur.com/N8d2x3F.jpg)

2. greencalx (3.01)
(https://i.imgur.com/HrAMwE4.jpg)

3. RenegadeScrew (4.03)
(https://i.imgur.com/crCGwXD.jpg)

4. QtheRaider (4.25)
(https://i.imgur.com/iUYetFT.jpg)

5. Ray Travez (5.05)
(https://i.imgur.com/oVCCM0Z.jpg)

6. gabrielconroy (4.16)
(https://i.imgur.com/wASUaE3.jpg)

7. purlieu (5.58)
(https://i.imgur.com/MZ2YAcm.jpg)

Also:

viii PlanktonSideburns (6.17) but still waiting for finalised version.
(https://i.imgur.com/NgxBMPm.jpg)

ix Mine's nearing completion, too (5.20)
(https://i.imgur.com/H2J9qgP.jpg)

(that's 43m48s so far)
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: Petey Pate on July 18, 2021, 12:57:11 PM
I've not yet finished my track but I am giving this thread a bump so that others involved are reminded of it.
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: Rich Uncle Skeleton on July 18, 2021, 04:13:17 PM
How dare you
Title: Re: 5A 5A 5APE?
Post by: NoSleep on July 19, 2021, 09:25:49 AM
How dare you

Have you made your selection from the painting yet?