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Title: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 08, 2021, 11:12:10 PM
Last year I re-watched all of The Simpsons that I had on DVD and made it through to the movie. I now have Disney+ so will be watching the next 13 seasons. I thought I would start a thread to document my descent into madness.

Season 19 - Episode 1 - He Loves to Fly and He D'ohs

Homer saves Mr Burns from drowning so as a reward Mr Burns takes him for a meal on his private plane. Homer becomes obsessed with private planes.

The entire conceit of the episode is that Homer wants to ride a private plane again so has to get life coaching to improve his life and then he realises he is really confident when he wears bowling shoes. I know they are probably short of ideas after 19 years but this is painfully weak.

You have Stephen Colbert providing a voice for a character who has absolutely no scripted jokes. I'm serious, they have hired a comedian and given him loads of dialogue but not a single actual joke or even vaguely funny line.

The episode ends with Homer flying a private plane when the pilot gets sick.

It may be unfair to compare to earlier episodes but I watched my favourite episode earlier today (Mr Plow) and epsidoes back then were so dense with ideas and plot. This was just woeful in direct comparison.

3/10 - As bad as it was, it had enough jerk ass Homer to give it a few funny bits and raise it above the very worst even if they were generic gags.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: DrGreggles on January 08, 2021, 11:20:19 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on January 08, 2021, 11:12:10 PM
I watched my favourite episode earlier today (Mr Plow)

There's a strong argument for that being the best episode ever.

Even just reading "Mr Plow" made my smile, then think of the jingle, then laugh.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on January 08, 2021, 11:24:06 PM
put it in H!
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: jake thunder on January 08, 2021, 11:34:07 PM
She'll go 300 hectares on a single tank of kerosene. But take her for a test drive and you'll agree - zagreb evnan zlotnik diev!

Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 08, 2021, 11:39:09 PM
Season 19 - Episode 2 - The Homer of Seville

The episode opens with the family accidentally crashing a funeral. Bart convinces the grieving grandson of the deceased that he must pay him $10 every week from now on. Bart is now a reprehensible human being.

Homer mishears pallbearer as "polar bear" and falls into a grave. This causes him to become really good at opera singing when he is lying down which is what the episode is about.

Lenny and Carl have sex with some old women before a fan of Homer rescues him from some old people a bit like that Father Ted episode. The fan takes off her clothes in front of Homer and tells him he can have her at any time but if he tells Marge then she will say he attacked her. Jesus fucking Christ, Homer is being threatened with false sexual assault claims. Oh great. Splendid. Well done.

The resolution is that the crazy fan has a chandelier fall on her and then Homer decides to stop being an opera singer because... erm... because.. erm... I dunno. But he can paint now. Roll credits.

1/10 - Shite.

EDIT - Forgot to say, Lenny and Carl have sex with the old ladies just a few seconds after the ladies say they aren't interested. All a bit rapey.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: QDRPHNC on January 08, 2021, 11:53:15 PM
I've only seen a few scattered episodes since stopping at season 7. These sound abysmal.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: dead-ced-dead on January 08, 2021, 11:53:41 PM
Homer's Brain: Don't tell him you were at a bar. But what else is open at night?

Homer: It was a pornography store. I was buying pornography.


My favourite episode is Homer Goes to College. Every moment a perfect one.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 08, 2021, 11:56:12 PM
Quote from: dead-ced-dead on January 08, 2021, 11:53:41 PM

My favourite episode is Homer Goes to College. Every moment a perfect one.

NERD

By sheer coincidence I have just started that very episode. Need a cleanse.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Leo2112 on January 08, 2021, 11:59:39 PM
People rarely seem to make it through these Simpsons marathons.  Of the few that do, I remember that 'Me Write Blog Good' guy's brain turning to mush after he got to a certain stage.  I wish you luck anyway!
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on January 08, 2021, 11:59:48 PM
funnily enough I looked through all of Homer Goes to College on Friniac today (was looking for the wallet inspector). wonderfully constructed, how each scene is based around a gag but also moves the plot forward. somehow I cracked up multiple times just reading the dialogue.

how on earth the writers think they are making anything more than vague pastiches these days is beyond me. I think the last ones that get any sort of meme-potential are like 15-20 years old now (old man yells at cloud, at least you tried cake).

i will happily read all of JamesTC's miserable write-ups of these episodes until they cause him to die though.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 09, 2021, 12:03:51 AM
Quote from: Leo2112 on January 08, 2021, 11:59:39 PM
People rarely seem to make it through these Simpsons marathons.  Of the few that do, I remember that 'Me Write Blog Good' guy's brain turning to mush after he got to a certain stage.  I wish you luck anyway!

I honestly didn't think it would get this bad so fast. I like the movie despite huge flaws. But Homer has just been threatened with false sexual assault claims, Bart extorted money from a grieving boy and Lenny and Carl kind of raped two old women.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: dead-ced-dead on January 09, 2021, 12:03:56 AM
Quote from: JamesTC on January 08, 2021, 11:56:12 PM
NERD

By sheer coincidence I have just started that very episode. Need a cleanse.

It may be the best animated episode. So fluid and brimming with visual comedy. Homer's confident swagger and jump kick are just perfect.

(https://frinkiac.com/video/S05E03/ZCVBBAGazINnsFqNzatJlT4KyeQ=.gif)

And this moment is so funny.

(https://frinkiac.com/video/S05E03/NTPdYutgvmFIUdrGo3rlJnNSk6M=.gif)
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 09, 2021, 12:09:13 AM
Quote from: dead-ced-dead on January 09, 2021, 12:03:56 AM
It may be the best animated episode. So fluid and brimming with visual comedy. Homer's confident swagger and jump kick are just perfect.


I was really taken with this shot for some reason. The animation style really enhanced the show. The more clean and HD it became, the more it lost its soul.

(https://frinkiac.com/video/S05E03/cDyTeA3JuFyDBD6Vmxnsnbl9QIk=.gif)
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 09, 2021, 12:48:37 AM
Season 19 - Episode 3 - Midnight Towboy

Maggie is clingy to Marge. Convoluted sequence leads to Homer literally crying over spilt milk and the joke is hammered home by Homer pointing out it is spilt milk. Homer goes on an adventure for milk, drinks paint and then gets his car towed. Homer then decides to become a tow truck driver which is the plot of the episode.

As a side note, as I watch the episode I am pondering why we don't see Santa's Little Helper anymore. I adore greyhounds and would love to adopt one at some point in the future. I miss that little guy.

I guess there are a few funny bits with Homer towing cars and then a helicopter. The crazy Texan shoots some Santas because he has a fear of beards.

Subplot set up about how Marge is causing Maggie's dependence by paying attention to her when she cries. Maggie is left alone and then becomes really smart. This leads to a really depressing bit with Marge coddling a bag of potatoes. Loving this.

The town's people get sick of Homer's towing antics so set up a trap which leads to his tow truck getting towed and Homer is thrown into a basement with many other tow truck drivers. Sadly society descends into madness without Homer to tow cars. This plot is now over.

"Once upon a time there was a hilarious ogre named Shrek 3..." - Not proud to say I audibly laughed at this line. Homer phones home with a gun pointed to him to tell them not to look for him. Marge is worried and speaks about this in front of the super smart baby.

He's back! That lovable noodle Santa's Little Helper teams up with Maggie to locate and rescue Homer. Homer and Maggie then return home and Maggie knocks over the sack of potatoes. Credits role.

4/10 - Somehow an improvement. Sadly I fear this is the high ceiling of what I can expect from The Simpsons going forward.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: dead-ced-dead on January 09, 2021, 01:14:39 AM
Quote from: JamesTC on January 09, 2021, 12:48:37 AM
Season 19 - Episode 3 - Midnight Towboy

Maggie is clingy to Marge. Convoluted sequence leads to Homer literally crying over spilt milk and the joke is hammered home by Homer pointing out it is spilt milk.

New Simpsons have a big problem with this. Every joke is explained about a dozen times. If it ever was funny the first time, it's certainly not by the second or third.

A good example from a newish episode (I can't recall):

Homer: "And I swore never to read again after To Kill a Mockingbird gave me no useful advice on killing mockingbirds.."

Alright, not the best joke ever, but I snort-chuckled.

"...It did teach me not to judge a man based on the colour of his skin, but what good does that do me?!"

Joke sunk, and it makes the first punchline retroactively not funny.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Glebe on January 09, 2021, 01:16:29 AM
I've paid for Disney+ for another month but I can't be arsed catching up on years of sub-par later Simpsons.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Ferris on January 09, 2021, 01:47:45 AM
Quote from: Leo2112 on January 08, 2021, 11:59:39 PM
People rarely seem to make it through these Simpsons marathons.  Of the few that do, I remember that 'Me Write Blog Good' guy's brain turning to mush after he got to a certain stage.  I wish you luck anyway!

What he said. These sound absolute tripe but I'll happily read along until you can't takes no more.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 09, 2021, 01:54:52 AM
Genuinely got joy from Marge coddling a sack of potatoes like a baby. Absolute madness. How did we get here?

(https://data.whicdn.com/images/72702146/original.png)
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Ferris on January 09, 2021, 01:56:07 AM
Quote from: JamesTC on January 09, 2021, 01:54:52 AM
Genuinely got joy from Marge coddling a sack of potatoes like a baby. Absolute madness. How did we get here?

(https://data.whicdn.com/images/72702146/original.png)

Presumably one of the writers noticed that people still chuckle over Marge's "I just think they're neat" potato line and thought "ooh we could do that joke again, that'd use up 20 seconds of air time and require no effort".
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on January 09, 2021, 02:00:02 AM
Reminds me of this superior moment from Summer of 4 ft 2:
(https://frinkiac.com/meme/S07E25/524357.jpg?b64lines=IFlvdSdsbCBiZSBteSBmcmllbmQhCkknbSBuZXZlciwgbmV2ZXIgZ29pbmcgdG8KIGxldCB5b3UgZ2V0IGF3YXku)
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: phes on January 09, 2021, 02:12:56 AM
Quote from: JamesTC on January 08, 2021, 11:39:09 PM
Homer mishears pallbearer as "polar bear" and falls into a grave

Sounds like the inspiration for Derke
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: easytarget on January 09, 2021, 06:03:21 AM
Quote from: phes on January 09, 2021, 02:12:56 AM
Sounds like the inspiration for Derke

Sounds like Richard Herring's next Edinburgh show
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Sonny_Jim on January 09, 2021, 07:08:09 AM
Ctrl-Fs for 'Large marge'

Watched that one recently with the wife and kid.  It was 'the straw that broke the camels back' so to speak, in that we stopped our Simpsons watchthrough shortly after and started watching Futurama instead.  Cannot be fucked to watch it again, so details are hazy, but I remember it being misogynist as fuck, with really poor jokes with 2 legitimately funny moments.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Ornlu on January 09, 2021, 09:51:38 AM
You could genuinely just be making these synopses up for all we know
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on January 09, 2021, 10:05:30 AM
Quote from: Ornlu on January 09, 2021, 09:51:38 AM
You could genuinely just be making these synopses up for all we know
No, he's not. I recognise them. They're giving me shit television flashbacks.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Lungpuddle on January 09, 2021, 01:01:17 PM
Quote from: Sonny_Jim on January 09, 2021, 07:08:09 AM
Ctrl-Fs for 'Large marge'

Watched that one recently with the wife and kid.  It was 'the straw that broke the camels back' so to speak, in that we stopped our Simpsons watchthrough shortly after and started watching Futurama instead.  Cannot be fucked to watch it again, so details are hazy, but I remember it being misogynist as fuck, with really poor jokes with 2 legitimately funny moments.

Stampy is in that one, yeah? Awful. They keep bringing back characters from classic seasons and doing utter shit with them. Then again, compared to Sebastian Cobb, Stampy gets off lightly. What were the 2 legitimately funny moments, unless it's too depressing remembering details?
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 09, 2021, 02:49:27 PM
Quote from: Sonny_Jim on January 09, 2021, 07:08:09 AM
Ctrl-Fs for 'Large marge'

Is that the one where Marge gets a big pair of knockers, the one where she starts an OnlyFans or the one where she rapes Homer?


I only made one of those up.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on January 09, 2021, 02:52:27 PM
One of them is a topical reference so expect the simpsons to make it in 3-5 years
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 09, 2021, 04:35:25 PM
Strapping in for a day of watching loads.

My idea of watching an earlier good episode to start me off wasn't a good idea in the end. I wanted a Santa's Little Helper episode because I love greyhounds but then I chose The Canine Mutiny from Season 8. Santa's Little Helper is a little dopey but just like most greyhounds he is unendingly loving including waiting patiently after Bart locked him out once the new dog Laddie arrived. Laddie is a snooty know-it-all prick. Anyway it wasn't the best so maybe it will help to not have direct comparison with a real classic...

Season 19 - Episode 4 - I Don't Wanna Know Why the Caged Bird Sings

The episode opens with Homer talking to himself which is funny, even if it was done better before, but is then ruined by Homer trying to strangle his own head.

Marge insists Homer mustn't let Lisa down by missing her award ceremony for being Student of the Millennium or something. Funny exchange were Homer and Marge negotiate on how sober he must be. To his credit, Homer prepares and makes it over an hour early which leads to a joke about him writing a Superman novel for some reason.

Joke about some armed robbers being gay. Gil gets shot about 20 times and is clearly dead. Anyway Marge agrees to visit the armed robber, Dwight, once he is in prison which is the plot of the episode.

Nice bit of continuity with a cameo from Snake's girlfriend (who went out with Mr Burns) from Season 13.

Marge keeps making excuses to not go to the prison as she is too nervous. This leads to Dwight escaping in a parody of The Shawshank Redemption (the waste pipe he climbs through is adjacent to a spring water pipe which he didn't notice).

Moe tries to peep on Marge while she is in the changing room.

Dwight takes Marge hostage, but it turns out he just wants his mummy who abandoned him. Chief Wiggum tries to rescue Marge but gets trapped in a fairground ride leading to Dwight saving him and giving himself up. Joke about knifing a prison guard. Credits roll.

3/10


Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 09, 2021, 05:02:51 PM
Season 19 - Episode 5 - Treehouse of Horror XVIII

I regularly hear about people who watch through all the Treehouse of Horror episodes and that they feel that the standard is always high with these even going into the later years. To be honest I don't remember later Treehouse of Horror episodes being quite as bad as those episodes around them in the previous few seasons. Let's see shall we...

E.T., Go Home

This section is ET but Kodos is the alien and Bart is the kid.

Homer showers with Kodos because he thought it was Marge. Kodos massages his buttocks with his tentacles.

Turns out the aliens are evil so the government were right to judge the book by the cover which is pretty funny. Then Homer murders Kodos with a pillow.

5/10 - Vapid parody and does nothing special but it was entertaining and had some laughs. Basically fine.

Mr. & Mrs. Simpson

Parody of the film Mr and Mrs Smith. Remember that? This aired two years after that film came out and I'm not sure most viewers at the time would have remembered it never mind the viewers now.

Homer eats poison lasagna while telling himself not to eat it and then asks for seconds. I didn't laugh but it was okay. A real highlight of the section. Fucking hell.

Homer and Marge do a fight because they are both spies. That is the plot. Then they have sex on Chief Wiggum's corpse.

2/10 - Weak as piss and just fucking lazy but it wasn't offensive.

Heck House

Bart, Milhouse, Nelson and Lisa go on a prank spree because they realise it is more fun than trick or treating. The town don't like this so Flanders agrees to sort it.

Flanders tries to scare the kids straight with a "Heck House" but the gang scoff at his attempts so Flanders prays to God for help in psychologically torturing the kids and he is transformed into the Devil. Then shit gets real... oh wait it doesn't because they just run through the seven deadly sins and the kids agree not to sin anymore. Then Flanders says everybody watching is a sinner and the credits roll.

2/10 - Zero plot and nothing amusing. It was fucking nothing... but it wasn't offensive so well done guys.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Ferris on January 09, 2021, 05:07:50 PM
^flanders as the devil? During a treehouse of horror?

What a fresh idea![nb]in 1993[/nb]!
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on January 09, 2021, 05:09:15 PM
No interest in watching new episodes but the classics I'll watch any time.

A show that's been shit for longer than it has been great, and presumably 'shit old people watch' in the eyes of young people. But when it was good it was amazing.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: dead-ced-dead on January 09, 2021, 07:56:05 PM
I've been watching several episodes from season 5 and it's just brilliant. I think in its peak it was my favourite show.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 09, 2021, 08:23:34 PM
Season 19 - Episode 6 - Little Orphan Millie

I'm not sure if this has been the case for the previous episodes but they have added a few new reactions to the opening titles such as Bart laughing or Wiggum saying "hey" as Bart speeds past him on the skateboard. Shite.

The episode opens with Homer getting his head stuck in a bee hive, getting covered in blue paint and falling into a green picnic sheet which makes him look like Marge and then he does Marge sounds when the bees are stinging him.

Glinner Kirk and Luann announce they are getting remarried. They do this and then go on their honeymoon on a cruise. They fall off the boat and are presumed dead which is the plot of the episode.

A subplot involves Marge wearing glasses because she is angry at Homer who can't remember the colour of her eyes.

Milhouse is depressed because his parents are dead but then Maggie convinces him he needs to be a man so he gets a leather jacket. Lisa now likes Milhouse in his bad boy persona but Bart is jealous because of all the attention he is getting. Bart does the crump and then Marge does the crump and so a meme is born.

Bart realises in order to solve his problem he needs to make Milhouse happy again so he tracks down his uncle who is basically Indiana Jones for some reason. Unfortunately making Milhouse happy does not make Milhouse unpopular again.

Homer is reminded of an old song he written about Marge and she overhears which resolves this subplot.

Milhouse announces he is leaving with Uncle Indiana Jones but then Bart tells him he doesn't want to go. This leads to Bart climbing onto the hot air balloon which they are on for some reason. They then end up flying to a desert island where Milhouses parents are for some reason and then they crash and then Indiana Jones and Glinner Kirk have a fight. Credits roll.

4.5/10 - Felt much funnier than the rest of the season up to now. The main plot let it down really.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 09, 2021, 08:53:06 PM
Season 19 - Episode 7 - Husbands and Knives

A new comic book store opens and it is owned by Jack Black. Marge compares herself to a Wonder Woman cut-out and decides she needs to go to the gym. Comic Book Guy trashes the new comic book store but gets beat up by some comic book artists led by Alan Moore. He then closes his store.

Marge hates the gym so opens a women's only gym in the location the old comic book store was and it becomes really successful which is the plot of the episode.

Homer initially enjoys the newfound success but is then convinced by some men on "wife support" that she will trade him in for a better man. He realises he needs his stomach stapled in order to keep Marge. Newly thin Homer now needs more plastic surgery which turns him into Frankenstein's monster. Jesus fucking Christ just look at this.

(https://i.imgur.com/l4BsEqT.jpg)

Turns out it was a dream and he never got the surgery. A meteor heads for the earth. Credits roll.

I honestly thought I had missed a line of dialogue about Marge's successful business ending but I didn't. They just completely ignore it at the end. They also ignore Comic Book Guy losing his store. You had 15 seconds for an Ok Go reference but none for a couple of lines of dialogue to resolve the plot of the episode?

2/10 - Baffling. They just don't give a shit.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 09, 2021, 09:15:57 PM
Season 19 - Episode 8 - Funeral for a Fiend

Homer gets Tivo free with some batteries. Poochy reference. Mr Sparkle reference. Marge (!) becomes obsessed with Tivo and coddles the remote. Then she has a nightmare about skipping the adverts so feels bad and has to watch all the adverts she skipped. They see an advert for a restaurant and decide to go.

Turns out the restaurant is specifically tailored to entice the Simpson family and that is because it is owned by Sideshow Bob which is the plot of the episode.

Sideshow Bob fails in his plan to kill the family due to being distracted by Lisa correcting him and then he gets arrested.

Bob tries to get off the charges by pleading insanity. Bob then pulls out some Nitroglycerin which Bart thinks is a weapon so he steals it and throws it away but Bob then pretends to die of a heart problem and is helped in the plot by his mother and father. Bart is blamed for his death because the Nitroglycerin was his "heart medicine".

Sideshow Bob is now a hero in death and Bart is hated by the town. Cecil returns for some reason. Bart goes to the funeral parlour to pay his last respects to Sideshow Bob.

Lisa figures out the plot and the family rescue Bart who is about to be burned alive. The Sideshow Bob family are sentenced to 87 years in prison. Credits roll.

3/10.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 09, 2021, 09:47:05 PM
Season 19 - Episode 9 - Eternal Moonshine of the Simpson Mind

Before watching this, I note that Al Jean referred to this as one of the five most essential episodes of The Simpsons of all time in 2014. Hmm...

They have switched back to the opening titles without the extra reaction sounds. We are off to a good start.

The episode opens with Groundskeeper Willie in a parody of the Ice Age film and then he gets attacked by squirrels.

Homer wakes up in a big pile of snow after a night out. He returns home to find the family gone and Santa's Little Helper hates him. After asking Moe for help it turns out he has drank a some drink that Moe came up with which makes you forget the last day. This leads to Homer begin to piece together the day before.

Homer's patchy memory indicates he punched Marge in the fucking eye. I don't particularly like this but at least as an audience member you know that it is all just misleading and he didn't really beat his wife.

Homer punches a guy in the face. He then goes to see Professor Frink who has a machine to make him remember stuff. He sees Marge with another man who is clearly Duff Man but we are supposed to not know that yet. He then visits Lisa in an earlier memory for advice. He begins smashing through old memories including his first kiss so now he thinks his first kiss was with Apu. Homer goes back to the memory of Marge with another man and he realises it was Duff Man.

Homer is on the edge of the bridge about to commit suicide and Patty and Selma try to convince him to do it. Homer decides not to jump but Patty and Selma commit attempted murder and push him off (to be fair this leads to a funny joke later). Homer's entire life flashes before his eyes. While falling he realises that Marge was organising a surprise party with Duff Man and that Marge got hurt by the cork of a Duff Champagne bottle.

Homer lands on an inflatable castle on a big boat and it is actually his surprise party. Turns out it was all Homer's plan to make the surprise part a surprise.

4.5/10 - There is a smugness to the episode that puts me a little off. By the end they kind of feel they have a pretty good episode by later Simpson standards and it reeks of self congratulating by the end. Still it is probably the best episode of the season so far. If only there were more really good films they could just condense into 22 minutes every week then they'd be set.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 09, 2021, 11:42:06 PM
I've still not seen The Mandalorian. I've still not seen Agent Carter. I choose to continue to do this.

Season 19 - Episode 10 - E Pluribus Wiggum

Ralph wants to make America great again according to the blurb on Disney+. This was aired in 2008.

Homer starts a diet by eating loads of fast food. He discards the wrappers in a bin along with an old car battery which leads to a huge explosion and likely led to a fair few deaths. I don't think Homer is on a diet anymore and he is leading a campaign to rebuild the fast food district.

The explosion leads Mayor Quimby to move the primaries forward so now they are the first in the country. The media descend on Springfield.

Moe announces he is a registered sex offender. He doesn't actually say "sex offender" but the insinuation is there.

This is all rather tame generic political humour. Jon Stewart. This is boring more than anything. But after 5 tedious minutes it leads to the townspeople deciding they are sick of all the candidates and that they will write in the most ridiculous candidate, so they decide to write in Ralph Wiggum which is the plot of the episode.

Ralph is taken serious as a candidate. The republicans and the democrats both want him to represent them which is a bit like that one really great episode of Designated Survivor except with a moronic child instead of Ralph Wiggum. Hahaha I am funny.

Wait what? It is over? What? I am seriously fucking aghast. It just fucking ends with nothing. No resolution. Nothing. Fucking hell. Shite. Lazy fucking hacks. Fuck off.

2/10 - Don't end the episode, get a couple of points knocked off. Fuck you.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Ferris on January 09, 2021, 11:45:47 PM
Every episode synopsis seems to have a sentence that does not follow at all (marge wearing glasses because homer forgets her eye colour). The below is a great example:

Quote from: JamesTC on January 09, 2021, 11:42:06 PM
The explosion leads Mayor Quimby to move the primaries forward so now they are the first in the country.

Like... what? Am I missing something?

Just lazy, lazy bullshit.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 10, 2021, 12:13:46 AM
Quote from: FerriswheelBueller on January 09, 2021, 11:45:47 PM
Every episode synopsis seems to have a sentence that does not follow at all (marge wearing glasses because homer forgets her eye colour). The below is a great example:

Like... what? Am I missing something?

Just lazy, lazy bullshit.

Something about voting a bill through to have a bond to pay for the fast food sector to be rebuilt.

Season 19 - Episode 11 - That '90s Show

Homer hasn't paid for the heating bill because of global warming. Bart rummages through old stuff to burn and finds Marge's University certificate which it turns out she went to but never mentioned. Turns out they grew up in the 90s. Matt Groening and Futurama mention.

Homer got a job as laser tag to pay for Marge's university fees. A liberal History professor fancies Marge. This is uncomfortable as it really comes across as a bunch of right-wingers making fun of liberals a bit like that robot from Star Wars Rogue One. The professor convinces Marge that Homer is oppressing her.

We tread on a little bit of ground from Homer Goes to College about how it isn't like Animal House. Not best to remind me of a far better episode, particularly one I watched yesterday.

Homer starts a grunge band. Back to the Future reference. Homer and Marge breakup. Bittersweet Symphony plays. Marge dates the professor. Homer hates being a successful grunge singer.  The professor turns out to be a mysogynist jerk, so Marge goes back to Homer.

Marge finds a Homer a wreck with a heroin needle in his arm. It is then revealed that he is diabetic and that the needle was insulin. Ha ha. Ha. Credits roll.

You've undermined a fair few episodes of classic Simpsons and have completely destroyed Homer and Marge's backstory in order to turn Homer into Kurt Cobain for some reason. Well done.

2/10
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: neov1974 on January 10, 2021, 12:54:22 AM
so much about That 90s Show episode is utter sacrilege, it enraged me when I saw it (my daughter watches them, she is a small child, so is forgiven)

the throwback episodes from the classic era are nearly all great, and this is just a criminally poor copy

This thread is great btw, do keep going as long as you have the will
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Ferris on January 10, 2021, 01:05:18 AM
So 2 episodes have homer becoming a successful singer (opera, grunge) in a 9 ep span?

Sorry, I don't mean to swamp this thread with my predictable opinions but like, wow, man. That's just so lazy.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 10, 2021, 01:09:23 AM
Quote from: FerriswheelBueller on January 10, 2021, 01:05:18 AM
So 2 episodes have homer becoming a successful singer (opera, grunge) in a 9 ep span?

Sorry, I don't mean to swamp this thread with my predictable opinions but like, wow, man. That's just so lazy.

He also remembers a song he wrote for Marge in another episode. I noticed this too.

I'd let them off if the Nirvana thing wasn't so awful.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Ferris on January 10, 2021, 01:11:31 AM
Quote from: JamesTC on January 10, 2021, 01:09:23 AM
He also remembers a song he wrote for Marge in another episode. I noticed this too.

I'd let them off if the Nirvana thing wasn't so awful.

Well, and the resolution seems to be the same for both storylines "oh I'm successful at this thing now, oh actually I don't like being successful so I'll just stop".

I got disney plus the other month, I'm strangely tempted to get in on this. If I wasn't terrified of what it would do to my algorithms, I'd be straight in there.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 10, 2021, 01:13:31 AM
Quote from: neov1974 on January 10, 2021, 12:54:22 AM

the throwback episodes from the classic era are nearly all great, and this is just a criminally poor copy


I always felt like the classic ones were a bit underrated. Lisa's First Word is one of the very best episodes in my eyes.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: DrGreggles on January 10, 2021, 01:17:17 AM
Even these synopses are depressing me.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 10, 2021, 01:20:42 AM
Quote from: FerriswheelBueller on January 10, 2021, 01:11:31 AM
Well, and the resolution seems to be the same for both storylines "oh I'm successful at this thing now, oh actually I don't like being successful so I'll just stop".

I got disney plus the other month, I'm strangely tempted to get in on this. If I wasn't terrified of what it would do to my algorithms, I'd be straight in there.

Disney+ seems to have very rudimentary algorithms. And it certainly doesn't differentiate between good Simpsons and bad Simpsons so if you watch a classic on there then it'll be the same as if you watched the one where Lenny and Carl date rape some old women.

The most important thing about watching on Disney+ is that you go into the settings and click the switch to go to the original aspect ratio rather than the fucking awful zoomed in widescreen.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Ferris on January 10, 2021, 01:26:30 AM
Quote from: JamesTC on January 10, 2021, 01:20:42 AM...doesn't differentiate between good Simpsons and bad Simpsons so if you watch a classic on there then it'll be the same as if you watched the one where Lenny and Carl date rape some old women.

What a sentence!

I might watch a few tonight or tomorrow and just see how long I can stand it.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 10, 2021, 01:36:14 AM
I'll be positive by sharing this picture of a real life Santa's Little Helper and Snowball 2 as it made me smile.

(https://i.redd.it/drmnljt9r7641.jpg)
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: neov1974 on January 10, 2021, 01:53:06 AM
Quote from: JamesTC on January 10, 2021, 01:13:31 AM
I always felt like the classic ones were a bit underrated. Lisa's First Word is one of the very best episodes in my eyes.

yeah that's a firm favourite here too, crammed full of great stuff, Krusty LA Olympics subplot & relentless mini Bart etc
I note it's right next to Mr Plow so they were really hitting a stride by then
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Sonny_Jim on January 10, 2021, 04:11:34 AM
Quote from: Lungpuddle on January 09, 2021, 01:01:17 PM
What were the 2 legitimately funny moments, unless it's too depressing remembering details?
Honestly, I just put 2 because usually there's at least 2 jokes even in the shit episodes.  But I'll try and recite the plot from memory:

Large Marge S14E3
Marge goes to hospital for some reason, but there's a mixup and instead of getting her tonsils removed (or whatever), she ends up getting breast implants that were supposed to go into Mayor Quimbys secretary.  I think one of the jokes is there ('They turned my maguppies into bazingas!')  but from here on out it's a misogynist nightmare.

Marge really enjoys the new attention her amble boobs provide, but oh no, there's drawbacks!  Her back hurts!  The final straw is when she goes to pick up Maggie but for some inexplicable reason keeps on bashing her into her jubblies.  Then she gets them removed and there's a lesson to be learned?  I don't fucking know.  It's shit.  Watch and find out for yourself.

2/10

EDIT:  Just read the synopsis on Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Marge).  Yeah it's the one with Stampy.  And the lesson learned for Marge is that men like tits?
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Carpool Dragon on January 10, 2021, 04:42:54 AM
The 90's episode is where I gave up any hopes of it being good again. There have been so many great episodes making reference to Marge and Homer growing up in the 70's (plus Homerpalooza showing that Homer was out of touch with grunge), for them to make a show that throws that all away for the sake of base, hack jokes that anyone could write screamed of completely not giving a fuck about the characters or the fans anymore. "We need to write 22 minutes of material - what if Homer was in Nirvana? Sure, whatever".

Although the episode that made me stop watching was season 18's Rome-Old and Juli-Eh where Selma shags Grandpa Simpson. To think that thats not even close to the nadir of the show is astounding.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on January 10, 2021, 11:21:03 AM
Remember how Selma went to China to adopt a baby and now we hardly ever see the baby any more?
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: dead-ced-dead on January 10, 2021, 11:25:41 AM
Quote from: JamesTC on January 10, 2021, 01:20:42 AM


The most important thing about watching on Disney+ is that you go into the settings and click the switch to go to the original aspect ratio rather than the fucking awful zoomed in widescreen.

I didn't know this was an option. Is there a guide to doing this or is it straightforward?
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: mippy on January 10, 2021, 12:34:48 PM
If I'm catching episodes on TV, usually the length of the couch gag is a good indication of whether to keep watching. Later episodes seem to get longer and more gimmicky.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: checkoutgirl on January 10, 2021, 12:50:12 PM
Quote from: FerriswheelBueller on January 10, 2021, 01:05:18 AM
That's just so lazy.

Could you please put a bit more effort into your descriptive text please? So lazy.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Ferris on January 10, 2021, 01:10:33 PM
Quote from: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on January 10, 2021, 11:21:03 AM
Remember how Selma went to China to adopt a baby and now we hardly ever see the baby any more?

Can't tell if that's a real storyline or not.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: thr0b on January 10, 2021, 01:13:50 PM
Quote from: FerriswheelBueller on January 10, 2021, 01:10:33 PM
Can't tell if that's a real storyline or not.

Lucy Liu is in it.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 10, 2021, 01:17:32 PM
Every wacky ridiculous storyline that would never happen that they mentioned in 2002 (https://youtu.be/1oUXUn30hts?t=24) has subsequently happened in one form or another. Although it was Maggie who got a bear instead of Bart.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Ferris on January 10, 2021, 01:21:19 PM
Quote from: thr0b on January 10, 2021, 01:13:50 PM
Lucy Liu is in it.

Blimey.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 10, 2021, 01:25:29 PM
It is the episode where Homer becomes a Chinese acrobat.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: gib on January 10, 2021, 01:29:39 PM
The only way you're allowed to stop watching these is when you home a retired greyhound.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JaDanketies on January 10, 2021, 02:16:23 PM
Funeral for a Fiend and Eternal Moonshine were some of the episodes that stand out in my memory, so by being memorable they are better than most later-era Simpsons.

There's a period where the animation is occasionally technically gorgeous, even of the jokes are shit. Vague memories of an episode about CCTV and one where Bart and Lisa chase their parents around as they try to have a romantic holiday as examples of this.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Pink Gregory on January 10, 2021, 02:18:39 PM
The Catch me if You Can pastiche?  I'm sure that was pre-movie, I remember liking it enough, though that sequence is good in itself.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Pink Gregory on January 10, 2021, 02:19:38 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on January 10, 2021, 01:17:32 PM
Every wacky ridiculous storyline that would never happen that they mentioned in 2002 (https://youtu.be/1oUXUn30hts?t=24) has subsequently happened in one form or another. Although it was Maggie who got a bear instead of Bart.

did they manage to write an episode around 'doo doo doo doo doo'?
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Marner and Me on January 10, 2021, 02:21:29 PM
Why are you putting yourself through this? Series 8 of Red Dwarf sounds better.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Pink Gregory on January 10, 2021, 02:25:02 PM
I think the most recent episode that I've seen (must have been in the 20s, season-wise) the actual gags were fairly decent, but the characters are basically wafer thin at this point, almost like trying to shoehorn sketch humour into what is nominally a sitcom. 
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Shit Good Nose on January 10, 2021, 02:41:29 PM
I stopped watching at the end of season 11 as I thought it had well worn out its welcome by then but, from memory, the only episode I actually thought was any good in that season (bar the odd gag here and there) was the one with the monkey knife fight.

Reading this thread is quite something, to the point where, in retrospect, JamesTC's episode overviews make The Movie seem like a completely decent entry rather than the ho-hum-shrug-shoulders-it's-alright-I-guess-but-I-doubt-I'll-watch-it-again feeling that most people had when it came out.


Quote from: JamesTC on January 09, 2021, 08:53:06 PM
Season 19 - Episode 7 - Husbands and Knives

A new comic book store opens and it is owned by Jack Black. Marge compares herself to a Wonder Woman cut-out and decides she needs to go to the gym. Comic Book Guy trashes the new comic book store but gets beat up by some comic book artists led by Alan Moore. He then closes his store.

Marge hates the gym so opens a women's only gym in the location the old comic book store was and it becomes really successful which is the plot of the episode.

Homer initially enjoys the newfound success but is then convinced by some men on "wife support" that she will trade him in for a better man. He realises he needs his stomach stapled in order to keep Marge. Newly thin Homer now needs more plastic surgery which turns him into Frankenstein's monster. Jesus fucking Christ just look at this.

(https://i.imgur.com/l4BsEqT.jpg)

Turns out it was a dream and he never got the surgery. A meteor heads for the earth. Credits roll.

I honestly thought I had missed a line of dialogue about Marge's successful business ending but I didn't. They just completely ignore it at the end. They also ignore Comic Book Guy losing his store. You had 15 seconds for an Ok Go reference but none for a couple of lines of dialogue to resolve the plot of the episode?

2/10 - Baffling. They just don't give a shit.

This is pure desolation.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on January 10, 2021, 03:17:10 PM
Quote from: FerriswheelBueller on January 10, 2021, 01:10:33 PM
Can't tell if that's a real storyline or not.
It is. Selma starts having hot flushes and realises the menopause is imminent, so she tries to adopt from China but they won't give a single woman a baby. She and Marge get Homer to pretend to be her husband. The ruse falls apart and Selma appeals to the woman in charge of the adoption agency "bureaucrat to bureaucrat" with a line that seems like it belongs in Futurama. The adoption woman was raised by a single mother and lets Selma take the baby whose name escapes me, she's that forgettable. They go home and three Chinese dragons that Homer hallucinated earlier sing

"American jerks are going home
Now we sleep for a thousand years
When we wake the world will end"
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Wonderful Butternut on January 10, 2021, 03:42:11 PM
There are worse things than death.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 10, 2021, 03:53:02 PM
Quote from: gib on January 10, 2021, 01:29:39 PM
The only way you're allowed to stop watching these is when you home a retired greyhound.

If I keep overpaying my mortgage at the current rate then I should be able to afford it in 4 years time...
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: ajsmith2 on January 10, 2021, 03:53:12 PM
Wonder if The Simpsons will make it to season 50 now.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Shit Good Nose on January 10, 2021, 04:00:31 PM
Quote from: ajsmith2 on January 10, 2021, 03:53:12 PM
Wonder if The Simpsons will make it to season 50 now.

They've been losing about half a million viewers per season for the last 10 years or so and numbers are at an all-time low, but that's only relative to current viewing habits with streaming and on-demand - audiences are spread so thin now, I'm pretty sure the average is still good enough to carry on flogging the horse for a while yet.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 10, 2021, 04:20:59 PM
Season 19 - Episode 12 - Love, Springfieldian Style

"For the next two hours we'll be kid free. It'll be just like the time we lost them at the mall. That was the best Christmas ever" - I liked that line enough to quote it... good start.

The family visit a fair for Valentine's Day. After Bart plays a prank on Homer and Marge, they are trapped in a love tunnel and they must tell three tales of love. It is a Treehouse of Horror but with valentines stories.

Bonnie and Clyde

Marge and Homer are cast in the roles of Bonnie and Clyde. That is it. Nothing else happens of note.

Homer finishes telling the story with everyone getting shot. Marge tells the next story...

Shady and the Vamp

Marge and Homer are cast in the roles of Lady and the Tramp. Goofy gets murdered in a gas chamber. Oh actually he's okay and makes a joke about working for Disney.

They've already done this with Santa's Little Helper so why are they doing it again but turning actual humans into dogs? Baffling.

Homer gets bored with the story so Bart tells the next story.

Sid and Nancy

Lisa is Nancy Spungen and Nelson is Sid Vicious with a bunch of other kids as the rest of the Sex Pistols. Nancy and Sid have a chocolate addiction. Bart (Johnny Rotton) says bollocks a lot. What is the point in this segment? Why is Bart telling this story?

2/10 - They are running out of ideas at such an alarmingly bad rate. 
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Leo2112 on January 10, 2021, 04:33:51 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on January 09, 2021, 08:53:06 PM

(https://i.imgur.com/l4BsEqT.jpg)


Dear god.  Keep posting more horrific screengrabs like this where necessary James.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 10, 2021, 04:45:55 PM
Season 19 - Episode 13 - The Debarted

Marge murders Hans Moleman in a car crash while driving Homer's car. Bart is concerned when a new kid called Donny (played by Topher Grace) arrives and is really cool which is the plot of the episode.

Homer gets a loaner car while his is repaired. He loves his new car.

Bart plays a prank to try to convince the school that he is still cool. This involves some magnets in Skinner's shoes which lead to him doing a funny dance. The new kid takes the blame for the prank but it is then revealed that the new kid is a spy. Bart then befriends the new kid without knowing he is a snitch.

Homer takes Marge on a romantic drive but the evening is ruined by a call saying the repairs are finished on his car so he can now return the loaner car. Homer refuses to bring back the loaner car.

All of Bart's pranks are foiled in a montage. Groundskeeper Willie reveals to Bart that there is a snitch. Bart suspects Millhouse, so he locks him in a locker which Cletus mistakes for a futuristic outhouse. Celtus does a big poo and wee on Millhouse.

Homer sees his old car getting sold for $99 and about to be sold so he realises he loves the car and that is the end of that plot.

Bart realises Donny is the rat so reveals his going to do a huge prank involving mentos and Diet Coke but then it turns out that Groundskeeper Willie is a double spy and was actually working for Skinner the whole time. Bart is going to be sent to juvie but then Donny feels bad so he blows up the mentos and Diet Coke so Bart can escape. Donny and Bart say goodbye. Joke about Ralph in a bin and a rat which is a reference to a film from 2006 which I've not seen.

3/10
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 10, 2021, 04:47:34 PM
Quote from: Leo2112 on January 10, 2021, 04:33:51 PM
Dear god.  Keep posting more horrific screengrabs like this where necessary James.

I was going to say it is a shame that the Frinkiac doesn't go past Season 17 but actually it isn't.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 10, 2021, 05:13:42 PM
Season 19 - Episode 14 - Dial "N" for Nerder

Homer is too fat to have sex so Marge puts him on a diet. He was put on a diet a few episodes ago. Marge gets him a nutritionist who suggests replacing everything he eats with bell peppers. Homer ends up putting on weight, so Marge thinks he is cheating on his diet. Marge calls a TV show designed for people to find if their spouses are cheating on them.

Bart and Lisa go to the Springfield National Park and find Martin on the top of the mountain. Gay joke. Bart plays a prank on Martin which leads to him falling off the mountain. The police believe he fell and was eaten by a cougar so Bart and Lisa are off the hook. Bart wants to turn himself in but Lisa is worried about going to prison so convinces him not to.

The TV show find that Homer is cheating on his diet.

Bart recovers all of Martin's old stuff which Groundskeeper Willie threw out. Nelson suspects foul play in Martin's death. Bart acts really weird as he is feeling guilty about the whole murder thing. Eventually Bart leaves a note saying he is going to end it all at Martin's house so Lisa goes to stop him committing suicide but it turns out that he is just finishing some of Martin's old projects that he found earlier mongst Martin's things.

Marge realises that the TV show is just trying to break them up so she tells them she doesn't care that Homer is overweight. The TV show say they will edit the show to make Marge look insane.

Lisa goes crazy and admits she committed murder which Nelson gets on tape. Then Martin arrives because he didn't die and had just spent three days crafting a skirt. Credits roll.

3/10
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Phil_A on January 10, 2021, 05:14:45 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on January 09, 2021, 08:53:06 PM
Season 19 - Episode 7 - Husbands and Knives

A new comic book store opens and it is owned by Jack Black. Marge compares herself to a Wonder Woman cut-out and decides she needs to go to the gym. Comic Book Guy trashes the new comic book store but gets beat up by some comic book artists led by Alan Moore. He then closes his store.

Marge hates the gym so opens a women's only gym in the location the old comic book store was and it becomes really successful which is the plot of the episode.

Homer initially enjoys the newfound success but is then convinced by some men on "wife support" that she will trade him in for a better man. He realises he needs his stomach stapled in order to keep Marge. Newly thin Homer now needs more plastic surgery which turns him into Frankenstein's monster. Jesus fucking Christ just look at this.

(https://i.imgur.com/l4BsEqT.jpg)


I saw that episode once, years ago, but I still remember how creepy the design of that beefed-up Homer was.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 10, 2021, 05:53:51 PM
Season 19 - Episode 15 - Smoke on the Daughter

I saw this episode when it went out in 2008. I remember nothing aside from that.

A ballet academy is coming to Springfield and Marge reveals her shattered dreams of being a ballerina because her boobs came in disproportionately. Marge reassured Lisa that she will have her father's boobs. Lisa accompanies Marge to the ballet academy.

While Marge and Lisa are out, Homer takes Bart to the basement to show him a secret. Gay joke. Turns out Homer makes jerky in the basement.

Marge isn't limber enough to be a ballet dancer. Turns out Lisa could be one though so Marge forces her into it. Remember when Bart became a ballet dancer? I do. Remember when Lisa became a tap dancer? I do.

Turns out all the ballet dancers smoke and Lisa becomes addicted to the second hand smoke which also helps her become a better dancer and this is the plot of the episode.

All of Homer's home-made jerky is missing. Homer initially blames Flanders but it turns out it was some racoons. Homer and Bart try to trap the racoons with jerky laced with sleeping pills but Homer eats it leading to him shooting a crossbow close to a truck transporting archery targets which leads to the truck crashing into a tree and going on fire, presumably killing the driver.

Turns out the racoons are all just like the Simpson family including a Homer racoon, a Marge racoon, a Bart racoon and a Lisa racoon. Homer decides to be friends with the racoons.

Lisa nearly starts to smoke but Homer catches her and thrown the cigarette to the ground and shoots it. He goes home to tell Marge he is pulling her out of the dance class but Marge says Lisa is making her so happy so he can't do it. Homer enlists Bart to stop Lisa smoking. Lisa becomes uncoordinated without the second hand smoke and gives in to peer pressure, so Bart informs Homer.

Homer uses the help of a racoon to steal all of the cigarettes. All the ballet dancers desperately try to smoke random stuff like their own hair or the programme for the ballet show. Lisa quits ballet as she considers it oppressive to women (wait what?). Credits roll.

3/10

Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: C_Larence on January 10, 2021, 06:01:09 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on January 10, 2021, 05:53:51 PM
Season 19 - Episode 15 - Smoke on the Daughter

I saw this episode when it went out in 2008. I remember nothing aside from that.

Christ, you're talking about them running out of ideas and these were 13 years ago?
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 10, 2021, 06:04:30 PM
Quote from: C_Larence on January 10, 2021, 06:01:09 PM
Christ, you're talking about them running out of ideas and these were 13 years ago?

Don't worry, loads of films and memes have come out since then which they can copy a year or two too late.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Blumf on January 10, 2021, 07:03:45 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on January 10, 2021, 01:17:32 PM
Every wacky ridiculous storyline that would never happen that they mentioned in 2002 (https://youtu.be/1oUXUn30hts?t=24) has subsequently happened in one form or another. Although it was Maggie who got a bear instead of Bart.

I was going to say not the Marge becomes a robot idea (at least outside of Treehouse eps) but no, S31E11 Hail to the Teeth (https://simpsonswiki.com/wiki/Hail_to_the_Teeth) did.

Glad I swore off the show at the Lady Gaga episode.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 10, 2021, 07:06:50 PM
Season 19 - Episode 16 - Papa Don't Leech

Grandpa crashes the car which has happened in an earlier episode. Homer murders Grandpa to stop his death costing him money. Oh it was all a dream and Homer had fallen asleep while driving Lisa to sell Girl Scout cookies.

Lisa tries to sell cookies to Mayor Quimby but they are out of money in the Springfield Treasury. Mayor Quimby organises a meeting to raise money... for the second time this season. Homer suggests faking a national disaster for relief money which the town agrees to but then they get scammed for even more money. Lisa discovers that the town has uncollected taxes in their history so Quimby says they should collect all the tax. One of the people who owes tax is Lurleen Lumpkin who the town are now searching for.

Lurleen seeks out Homer's help to hide her from the town. Marge is not happy and says she must go to her own home, but it turns out she is homeless so Marge lets her stay. Chief Wiggum arrests Lurleen and she is told to pay off her debts. Lurleen has no money as it all went to her ex-husbands (who all look like Homer). Lurleen gets a job at Moe's and turns down advances from Lenny and Carl.

Marge works out that Lurleen has father issues somehow and goes to find her father. She tracks him down. They reunite and Lurleen writes a song. Then her father leaves her again and passes off the song as his own by selling it to the Dixie Chicks. Homer dons his Colonel Homer outfit to inspire Lurleen. Lurleen informs the Dixie Chicks of the plagarism so they attack Lurleen's father and offer Lurleen a job as an opening act. Lurleen marries another man who looks like Homer. Marge threatens to strangle Lurleen if she ever comes near Homer again. Credits roll.

3/10 - Really worth bringing Lurleen back for THAT.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: mr. logic on January 10, 2021, 07:30:11 PM
Thanks for these. Loving them, especially the withering 'and this is this is the plot of the episode'
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 10, 2021, 07:34:06 PM
Season 19 - Episode 17 - Apocalypse Cow

Bart accompanies Homer to the beanbag store. On the way they encounter Martin Prince driving a combine harvester as part of the "4-H Club" so Bart joins.

Bart learns how to be a farmer. The club are all told about a competition to take care of a cow over Summer so Bart takes care of a bull named Lou and meets a girl called Mary which is the plot of the episode.

Bart wins the competition but that means Lou will go to the slaughterhouse. Gay cowboy joke. Bart wants to save Lou so enlists Lisa's help. They rescue Lou using a forklift.

Bart takes Lou to Mary's farm which is owned by her father Cletus. Cletus takes this is a formal proposal of marriage due to the rules of the hill folk. Lisa tells Bart to go along with it for the time being so Lou will be okay. Lisa asks for Marge and Homer's help.

Marge stops the marriage so Cletus sends Lou to the slaughterhouse, but it is actually Homer in a suit. Lou has been sent to India to be treated like a god.  Homer is rescued just before being minced. Bart reflects that he "had a cow, man".

3/10
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on January 10, 2021, 07:42:38 PM
I'm getting flashbacks from all of these

please continue
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 10, 2021, 07:57:41 PM
Season 19 - Episode 18 - Any Given Sundance

The family go to a BBQ in the parking lot if the football stadium. Ralph eats his hand. Homer asphyxiates Hans Moleman while stealing his chops. Lisa begins recording the BBQ and believes it makes her a born filmmaker. Skinner takes an interest in Lisa's filmmaking and gives her access to the school equipment to do a film about her family which is the plot of the episode.

Lisa starts recording her film with a montage. Super Nintendo Chalmers takes interest in the film and wants the film to be shown at Sundance. Sundance agree to show the film so The Simpsons are going to Utah. The crowd make horrible remarks about the family ("DEATH TO MAGGIE") but give the film a standing ovation. The family are appalled by how they are portrayed. Comic Book Guy posts a glowing review.

Skinner and Chalmers sell the rights to the film. Lisa feels bad. Skinner and Chalmers' follow-up film is by Nelson and it convinces Lisa that other families have bigger problems so I guess that makes things okay. Marge asserts that there will be no more Simpsons movies as one was plenty.

John C. Reilly auditions for the part of "Ghost Willie". Credits roll.

3/10.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: DrGreggles on January 10, 2021, 08:13:18 PM
These pun titles are shit too.
And I bet a lot of these were written 'title first'.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 10, 2021, 08:26:42 PM
Season 19 - Episode 19 - Mona Leaves-a

Second episode of The Simpsons to have a Mona Lisa pun in the title. The well is dry.

The Simpsons are at the mall. Maggie wants to go to a build-a-bear style store. Homer murders some bears.

The family return home to find the front door open and somebody is in the kitchen. Homer's mother is back... again... which is the plot of the episode. Homer refuses to forgive his mother as he does not want to be disappointed by being abandoned again. After rejecting his mother again he feels bad and makes her a card but when he goes down to give it to her she is dead.

The family find a video will from Mona. She leaves an item to each member of the family. She wants Homer to release her ashes from the top of Springfield Monument Park. Homer does it but it turns out it is part of another protest from Mona which disappoints Homer.

The ashes disrupt a nuclear missile launch from Mr Burns which was to send some waste into the Amazon Rainforest. Mr Burns captures Homer. The family rescue Homer using the items left by Mona. Homer stops the launch and causes the missile to self-destruct.

Montage of clips of Mona and Homer from earlier episodes. Credits roll.

3/10

They couldn't make something with one tenth of the emotion of this if they tried...
(https://frinkiac.com/img/S07E08/1313394.jpg)

Oh and by the way, this episode guest starred Lance Armstrong.

(https://i.imgur.com/a25s1uC.png)
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 10, 2021, 08:56:32 PM
Season 19 - Episode 20 - All About Lisa

We are at an awards show with Sideshow Mel narrating. Lisa is getting an entertainer of the year award. Flashback to the beginning and the Simpsons are in the audience of the Krusty show. Krusty is searching for a new Krustkateer so all the kids audition. Nelson is chosen over Bart despite the fact that Bart is the best. Lisa complains to Krusty but he ends up hiring her as his new unpaid intern which is the plot of an earlier episode except that episode was with Bart instead.

Lisa is bullied by Krusty but Mel gives her advice which makes Krusty praise her.

Bart and Homer sell all of Bart's Krusty toys. They trade them for a guide to antique coins and start collecting. They collect all the coins aside from a 1917 Kissing Lincoln coin. Riveting stuff.

Lisa appears on the Krusty show and instantly takes over and it becomes The Lisa Show. Krusty becomes a late night talk show host.

Homer and Bart find the coin at an auction, but Mr Burns buys it. Homer fools Mr Burns to give him the coin by asking him for change for a nickel. What will the zany Simpsons family do next? Collect stamps?

Lisa is set to win an award around two minutes after taking over the Krusty show. Sideshow Mel explains that everybody who wins the award goes on to become a failure so Lisa quits the industry and gets Krusty his show back. Credits roll.

3/10 - Honestly I feel bad about giving them all 3/10 but they aren't actively offensive so don't fall down any lower but are just too shit for any higher. I guess they've just become consistently inoffensively bad.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 10, 2021, 08:58:19 PM
Ode to Season 19

Now I have Disney Plus
Later Simpsons, time to see what is all the fuss

Homer becomes Kurt Cobain
And he has to fly a private plane

Lenny and Carl date rape some old women
Sideshow Bob returns for murder attempt number ten

Marge coddles a potato sack
Lurleen Lumpkin has come back

Millhouse is pooed on by Cletus
Homer reveals he has diabetus

Time to head for Season Twenty
Hope is not aplenty
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: C_Larence on January 10, 2021, 09:27:29 PM
Someone in a recent Simpsons thread was talking a big game about how people who deride newer episodes don't know what they're talking about because they've never seen them. Glad to have further confirmation that it was just a bunch of gaslighting, and that they're truly shit.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: checkoutgirl on January 10, 2021, 10:31:40 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on January 08, 2021, 11:12:10 PM
Season 19 - Episode 1 - He Loves to Fly and He D'ohs

they have hired a comedian and given him loads of dialogue but not a single actual joke or even vaguely funny line.

Not true. At one point he does three jokes in a roughly one minute period, when Homer is caught in the bannister. They may be such rubbish nothing jokes they barely register but they are jokes nonetheless. Deadpan, badly written, unfunny jokes.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 10, 2021, 10:33:31 PM
Quote from: checkoutgirl on January 10, 2021, 10:31:40 PM
Not true. At one point he does three jokes in a roughly one minute period, when Homer is caught in the bannister. They may be such rubbish nothing jokes they barely register but they are jokes nonetheless. Deadpan, badly written, unfunny jokes.

Is it three? I remember the bit about him needing to record background noise from behind Homer and that is it. Argh.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: checkoutgirl on January 10, 2021, 10:35:55 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on January 08, 2021, 11:39:09 PM
Season 19 - Episode 2 - The Homer of Seville

Lenny and Carl have sex with the old ladies just a few seconds after the ladies say they aren't interested.

Not true. They never say they're not interested. They roll their eyes and the next frame is the limousine rocking as it drives off. They never verbally respond to Carl's indirect suggestion of sex or "hooking up" as it's referred to by the old woman. Whether that's "rapey" or not is a personal opinion I suppose.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: checkoutgirl on January 10, 2021, 10:39:56 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on January 10, 2021, 10:33:31 PM
Is it three? I remember the bit about him needing to record background noise from behind Homer and that is it. Argh.

I counted three. Another one from the same scene is a three letter acronym, Never Notbe Whatever, can't remember the gag. You could interpret that as not being a joke because it's rubbish but it is an attempt at a joke.

Another joke later is him eating a TV dinner in his underpants and saying he's with a client, that one is a lot more debatable as to whether it's a joke. I'm not sure. I can imagine the studio audience of Three and a Half Men cracking up at that one but does that make it a joke?
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: checkoutgirl on January 10, 2021, 10:41:15 PM
Quote from: checkoutgirl on January 10, 2021, 10:35:55 PM
Not true. They never say they're not interested. They roll their eyes and the next frame is the limousine rocking as it drives off. They never verbally respond to Carl's indirect suggestion of sex or "hooking up" as it's referred to by the old woman. Whether that's "rapey" or not is a personal opinion I suppose.

I've just realised I might have downloaded episodes that are differently edited, possibly?
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 10, 2021, 11:00:13 PM
Now onto Season 20 which is exciting. I bet they pull out all the stops for the big anniversary year.

Season 20 - Episode 1 - Sex, Pies and Idiot Scrapes

The family are celebrating St Patrick's Day. Bart makes an IRA joke. A brawl erupts between Nationalist Irish and Unionist Irish. Lisa temporarily resolves the troubles with a song. Marge has her cupcakes stolen by toothless Irish orphans but an Irish guy called Patrick recovers the cupcakes and offers her a job at a bakery. Homer gets arrested for fighting and then he gets bail and takes up a job as a bounty hunter which is the plot of the episode.

Homer tries to capture Snake who is passing by but Snake pulls out a gun and tries to shoot him in the head. Flanders puts some bulletproof glass in front of Homer's head to save his life. Flanders unintentionally distracts Snake while Homer sneaks up on him and asphyxiates him with a bag to knock him out and take him in. Homer asks Flanders to work with him as a bounty hunter.

Marge realises she is working for an erotic bakery with Patty and Selma buying an arse cake. Marge is convinced by Patrick that erotic bakery doesn't harm anybody. Dr Hibbert's penis as a cake.

Homer tases his balls but doesn't die from a heart attack like that MAGA guy. Homer and Flanders are very successful at catching criminals in a montage. Homer gives Lisa evidence from a meth lab. They now need to capture Fat Tony. Homer is reckless, so Flanders tells him he won't do it anymore. Flanders goes to quit, but they ask him to bring in Homer as he has jumped bail. An extended chase sequence follows involving numerous buildings exploding. Homer and Flanders fall into wet cement and get stuck.

Homer is now in prison but will apparently be released in a day and had been given a non-erotic cake from Marge. Credits roll.

No resolution to Marge's job as a baker. Standard.

3/10
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 10, 2021, 11:02:56 PM
Quote from: checkoutgirl on January 10, 2021, 10:35:55 PM
Not true. They never say they're not interested. They roll their eyes and the next frame is the limousine rocking as it drives off. They never verbally respond to Carl's indirect suggestion of sex or "hooking up" as it's referred to by the old woman. Whether that's "rapey" or not is a personal opinion I suppose.

There is barely a couple of seconds between them saying they aren't interested and the limo rocking. It is dodgy as can get and date rape in my book. YMMV
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: mippy on January 10, 2021, 11:41:33 PM
I believe Bart's line about the IRA in that episode that gets cut for TV in the UK. (As does, now, "I've reviewed the latest tractors....and they're all shite!!")I always hated the lazy stereotypes of The Simpsons Are Going To... episodes, but that one went quickly from "a bit plastic" to "actually offensive now"
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 10, 2021, 11:53:54 PM
Quote from: mippy on January 10, 2021, 11:41:33 PM
I believe Bart's line about the IRA in that episode that gets cut for TV in the UK. (As does, now, "I've reviewed the latest tractors....and they're all shite!!")I always hated the lazy stereotypes of The Simpsons Are Going To... episodes, but that one went quickly from "a bit plastic" to "actually offensive now"

When there is a "Controversy" section on the episode's Wikipedia page then you know you are onto a winner.

Shortly before I got Disney+ I was speaking to a friend and asked him if all the episodes are on there and unedited (aside from Stark Raving Dad of course) and he confirmed they were including the marijuana episode. This really surprised me.

He felt that the show in general is a little ill-suited to the platform (before the new adult orientated selection arrives in February) whereas I said that they just need to take a few episodes out of the selection and lock them for children but by and large The Simpsons is suitable as a family show. In general The Simpsons has always been good at appealing to kids and adults at the same time with only a few exceptions. The episodes I've watched over the past few days seem decidedly more adult with jokes that push the boundaries. Stuff like Homer having a needle in his arm which is initially assumed to be a heroin needle is the type of thing I really look at and think shouldn't be open to all on Disney+ if they care about locking unsuitable content.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: neov1974 on January 11, 2021, 12:02:47 AM
there's loads in the zombie era that's just tonally doesn't fit with what came before and the rise in depicting sexual scenarios in jokes is probably the most obvious and unnecessary.

Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: checkoutgirl on January 11, 2021, 01:40:16 AM
Quote from: JamesTC on January 10, 2021, 11:02:56 PM
There is barely a couple of seconds between them saying they aren't interested

Must be a different edit I have because they never say anything at all, positive or negative, after Carl hints at sex in the version I saw. Can you provide a link or download of what you watched? Mileage can vary but if we're not comparing the same thing that's à moot point.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 11, 2021, 01:46:10 AM
Quote from: checkoutgirl on January 11, 2021, 01:40:16 AM
Must be a different edit I have because they never say anything at all, positive or negative, after Carl hints at sex in the version I saw. Can you provide a link or download of what you watched? Mileage can vary but if we're not comparing the same thing that's à moot point.

I'm watching on Disney+.

The women say they are interested in Homer so Carl makes a comment (something along the lines of Homer not being there from what I remember) and then the limo is rocking. Honestly with all these sorts of jokes it is just dodgy naughties sex jokes that have aged very very badly. Thankfully there only seemed to be two or three early on in the season and there hasn't been any since.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: checkoutgirl on January 11, 2021, 02:18:29 AM
Quote from: JamesTC on January 11, 2021, 01:46:10 AM
I'm watching on Disney+.

The women say they are interested in Homer so Carl makes a comment (something along the lines of Homer not being there from what I remember) and then the limo is rocking.

I agree with that synopsis. They say they want to "hook up" with Homer who is standing outside the limo with Marge. Carl says "That's not going to happen......but I'm here" *hint hint*. The woman rolls her eyes, cut to limo rocking. If that's rapey I'm a Dutchman. Although I will fully agree your mileage may vary.

It's just a lame joke about famous musicians and their groupie cast offs. For instance the Memphis Mafia took full advantage of being around Elvis by boffing the groupies Elvis didn't want or hadn't time to have sex with. The twist is Homer is an opera singer (for an hour) so the groupies are more mature. It's a pretty rubbish bit of humour and probably quite outdated, also a bit tawdry and not worth it for the quality of joke but rapey is a bit strong I think. Then again groupie culture has been recontextualised years later by people but these women are at least three times the age of consent so can presumably make their own mind up. And there's no verbal indicator that they were unwilling participants so I would assume consent unless otherwise indicated.

Anyway that's all I have to say on it I reckon.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Lemming on January 11, 2021, 03:58:21 AM
Some of these plots have to have been written by a cursed AI or something.

Tempted to watch Sex, Pies and Idiot Scrapes just to see if it really is as much of a nonsense-barrage as it sounds.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Mister Six on January 11, 2021, 04:51:04 AM
At what point did every episode title have to be a shit pun? I liked the old "X vs Y" and X the Y" formulas, and the flatly descriptive ones like "Bart Gets an F" and "Whacking Day" - seems like the actions of a much more confident show.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: thr0b on January 11, 2021, 09:40:37 AM
There's a lot in current Simpsons which makes it no longer a safe family show.

An episode on Sky One recently, post season-20 (could be season 30) featured Reverend & Helen Lovejoy in a sex shop (him in a gimp suit) and the resolution of the episode featured Homer & Marge having a selection of sex toys in the garden, including a queening stool with the heavy implication that Marge likes like and powerful dildos ("I want the one which takes sixteen batteries!").
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 11, 2021, 09:50:18 AM
She just thinks powerful dildos are neat.

One thing I've noticed over the past season is how much dumber Marge has gotten. The deterioration to her intelligence is happening much faster than it happened for Homer. Weird that it happens in a season which confirms she is a university graduate.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 11, 2021, 09:56:03 AM
Definitely think my Marge starts an OnlyFans idea will happen soon. Moe will be her pay pig and there will be a hilarious sequence where Moe pays Marge, Marge gives money to Homer, Homer goes to Moe's and then the cycle repeats.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: St_Eddie on January 11, 2021, 10:23:07 AM
Quote from: thr0b on January 11, 2021, 09:40:37 AM
...sixteen batteries

John Hughes considers rewrite.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: St_Eddie on January 11, 2021, 10:25:04 AM
Quote from: JamesTC on January 11, 2021, 09:50:18 AM
One thing I've noticed over the past season is how much dumber Marge has gotten.

That and how much coarser Julie Kavner's voice has gotten.  It's like taking a cheese grater to the ears.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: the on January 11, 2021, 10:36:01 AM
I'm enjoying these synopses JamesTC. Just make sure you don't accidentally drive yourself insane.

Something that's striking when you see these written down is, there's often a complete disconnection between what's happening at the start of the show and what the main plot is. Not in a sort of "that surprised you!" way, but more like "we took 2-3 separate bits and glued them together to get an episode in the can".

St Patrick's Day leads to a career as a bounty hounter plus bakery. A comic shop opening and closing leads to stuff about gyms and plastic surgery. Litres of glue holding these together.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Gregory Torso on January 11, 2021, 10:49:13 AM
Not having watched Red Dwarf since the early 90s, I thought Lemming's descriptions for the series 8 episodes were mad enough, but these are on a whole other level of what?? These synopses read like some kind of HS Art thread. Just insane, and probably not even half as bad as whatever the Simpsons is now. Don't think I've ever knowingly gone beyond series 11. Loving the thread though - the descriptions are far funnier than the experience of watching the episodes would be!
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Ham Bap on January 11, 2021, 10:54:11 AM
The Simpsons is a strange beast these days. Any time I flick the channel and there's a newer episode on, anything from season 12 onwards, I usually find myself apologising to the people in the room for how bad it is and usually mutter 'it used to be good'.

By and large the only time I go and seek these out now is to watch the old Halloween episodes at Halloween and the old Christmas episodes at Christmas.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Mango Chimes on January 11, 2021, 11:01:05 AM
Quote from: the on January 11, 2021, 10:36:01 AMSomething that's striking when you see these written down is, there's often a complete disconnection between what's happening at the start of the show and what the main plot is.

That's a Simpsons trademark as much as interweaving stories is a Seinfeld one. I don't know when it began, but it's a classic era thing.

Thanks for this thread, James, it's excellent. It reads a much richer version of  those Seinfeld and TNG imaginary season Twitter accounts.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Phil_A on January 11, 2021, 11:07:03 AM
Quote from: thr0b on January 11, 2021, 09:40:37 AM
There's a lot in current Simpsons which makes it no longer a safe family show.

An episode on Sky One recently, post season-20 (could be season 30) featured Reverend & Helen Lovejoy in a sex shop (him in a gimp suit) and the resolution of the episode featured Homer & Marge having a selection of sex toys in the garden, including a queening stool with the heavy implication that Marge likes like and powerful dildos ("I want the one which takes sixteen batteries!").

Something I've noticed in recent episodes is a tendency towards casual gore and gross-out stuff, way beyond the point where it feels appropriate for this kind of show. I think the most recent one I've seen was a "Homer in Roman times" episode which just had maiming and slaughtering all over the shop. Not to say comedy gore can't be funny, but it feels weird and unpleasant in The Simpsons.

That kind-of stuff had started to creep in more during the years when the series was declining but not yet completely unredeemable - I can't remember which episode it is but there's definitely one that ends with a guy's severed leg flying off (checked, it was "Faith Off" from Season 11).
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: dead-ced-dead on January 11, 2021, 11:14:49 AM
Quote from: Phil_A on January 11, 2021, 11:07:03 AM
Something I've noticed in recent episodes is a tendency towards casual gore and gross-out stuff, way beyond the point where it feels appropriate for this kind of show. I think the most recent one I've seen was a "Homer in Roman times" episode which just had maiming and slaughtering all over the shop. Not to say comedy gore can't be funny, but it feels weird and unpleasant in The Simpsons.

That kind-of stuff had started to creep in more during the years when the series was declining but not yet completely unredeemable - I can't remember which episode it is but there's definitely one that ends with a guy's severed leg flying off (checked, it was "Faith Off" from Season 11).

I think in seasons 8-11 (when the wheels were first starting to come off but the show was still funny), they started to over rely on Homer getting hit in the head or beat up or having cars drive over his head and stuff. That was the point they started to fall into that gimmick.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: thr0b on January 11, 2021, 11:33:21 AM
It's like they're trying to do Family Guy jokes, but not even good Family Guy jokes. And they wouldn't work with Simpsons characters, even if they were good jokes.

(I like Family Guy; it's a sketch show with linking plot devices. The Simpsons isn't.)

Also, any Trilogy episode is terrible. I don't want three separate stories putting the characters in the place of character from other shows/novels/films. They don't have the skill to write their own plots these days, I get it. But a weak parody is lazy. Three weak parodies is terrible. I'd prefer a clip show with two minutes of new material (e.g. Bart paralyses Homer by shaking a can of beer, causing the house to explode. Cartoony, but done and dusted in under three minutes.)
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Pink Gregory on January 11, 2021, 12:38:57 PM
Someone I worked with once stated that he preferred later Simpsons because it was more like Family Guy.

Ye gods.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 11, 2021, 12:58:03 PM
I only like the later Simpsons when they go widescreen. The black bars on the side of earlier episodes confuse and distress me.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: St_Eddie on January 11, 2021, 01:07:04 PM
One of the traits of Zombie-Simpsons is the writers' reliance upon anthology shows; this week the Simpsons tell tales based upon classic literary characters; this week the family tell tales based upon sea shanty origins; this week the fucking cunts tell tales of being alternate dimension cunts... ad nauseam, ad infinitum.  A clear sign of the writers running out of original ideas and they always made for the most boring episodes.  Even the dreaded clip shows were preferable by comparison.

Quote from: Phil_A on January 11, 2021, 11:07:03 AM
Something I've noticed in recent episodes is a tendency towards casual gore and gross-out stuff, way beyond the point where it feels appropriate for this kind of show. I think the most recent one I've seen was a "Homer in Roman times" episode which just had maiming and slaughtering all over the shop. Not to say comedy gore can't be funny, but it feels weird and unpleasant in The Simpsons.

The first time I recall seeing this was in an episode where Homer had his guts disemboweled by a badger in a throwaway joke, which was magically healed by cartoon logic in the very next scene.  Every bit as revolting, as it was nonsensical.

Quote from: thr0b on January 11, 2021, 11:33:21 AM
...good Family Guy jokes.

That's an oxymoron, if I ever saw one.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on January 11, 2021, 01:17:02 PM
Quote from: St_Eddie on January 11, 2021, 01:07:04 PM
The first time I recall seeing this was in an episode where Homer had his guts disemboweled by a badger in a throwaway joke, which was magically healed by cartoon logic in the very next scene.  Every bit as revolting, as it was nonsensical.


that was twenty years ago! as evidenced by the ask jeeves parody site they put up

https://web.archive.org/web/20010223210106/http://thesimpsons.com/badgers/
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Blumf on January 11, 2021, 01:48:13 PM
Have The Simpsons done a Family Guy style cutaway gag yet? I'm sure they have, but can't think of one.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Dayraven on January 11, 2021, 02:38:15 PM
Quote from: Mister Six on January 11, 2021, 04:51:04 AM
At what point did every episode title have to be a shit pun? I liked the old "X vs Y" and X the Y" formulas, and the flatly descriptive ones like "Bart Gets an F" and "Whacking Day" - seems like the actions of a much more confident show.

They've always done plays on other things, but every title being a desperate pun seems to set in round about season 10 or 11.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Simpsons_episodes_(seasons_1–20)
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: St_Eddie on January 11, 2021, 02:56:19 PM
Quote from: Blumf on January 11, 2021, 01:48:13 PM
Have The Simpsons done a Family Guy style cutaway gag yet? I'm sure they have, but can't think of one.

Well, they did a pathetic crossover episode, so there's that.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 11, 2021, 03:08:25 PM
It wasn't a cutaway gag but Goofy getting put in a gas chamber is as Family Guy as The Simpsons has gotten up to now.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Ferris on January 11, 2021, 03:38:34 PM
Quote from: St_Eddie on January 11, 2021, 02:56:19 PM
Well, they did a pathetic crossover episode, so there's that.

What?

Quote from: JamesTC on January 11, 2021, 03:08:25 PM
It wasn't a cutaway gag but Goofy getting put in a gas chamber is as Family Guy as The Simpsons has gotten up to now.

What?
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: thr0b on January 11, 2021, 04:00:00 PM
Quote from: St_Eddie on January 11, 2021, 02:56:19 PM
Well, they did a pathetic crossover episode, so there's that.

Lots of Simpsons fans criticised it for not being like the Simpsons. But it was a Family Guy episode, not the other way around. I thought it worked very well, and was much funnier than anything put out by the Simpsons proper in a very long time.

The exchange between Peter and Homer toward the end tickles me every time.

Peter: Homer, I'm a Family Guy.
Homer: I'm a The Simpsons.

It's stupid, but it makes me laugh.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Ornlu on January 11, 2021, 06:20:18 PM
Quote from: St_Eddie on January 11, 2021, 01:07:04 PM
The first time I recall seeing this was in an episode where Homer had his guts disemboweled by a badger in a throwaway joke, which was magically healed by cartoon logic in the very next scene.  Every bit as revolting, as it was nonsensical.


Oh god, I took a bit of a dive into the unnecessary Zombie-era gore recently. One such being an episode where a tonic for all Springfield's elderly residents or something causes their eyes to dangle out of their sockets(??) (click here (https://puzzledpagan.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/073.png) for nightmares)

Also, that Halloween episode from god knows when that has Sideshow Bob engage in a crude Face/Off parody by SLICING HIS FACE OFF and swapping it with his cellmate. Apparently that's now one of the character's official running gags too?? Where his face UPROARIOUSLY slips back off his skull and exposes the horrific muscle & sinew underneath. I'm not even linking that one. Fuck all the way off.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: St_Eddie on January 11, 2021, 06:24:52 PM
Quote from: thr0b on January 11, 2021, 04:00:00 PM
Lots of Simpsons fans criticised it for not being like the Simpsons. But it was a Family Guy episode, not the other way around. I thought it worked very well, and was much funnier than anything put out by the Simpsons proper in a very long time.

The exchange between Peter and Homer toward the end tickles me every time.

Peter: Homer, I'm a Family Guy.
Homer: I'm a The Simpsons.

It's stupid, but it makes me laugh.

Nah, mate.  It was shit.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Consignia on January 11, 2021, 07:13:06 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on January 11, 2021, 03:08:25 PM
It wasn't a cutaway gag but Goofy getting put in a gas chamber is as Family Guy as The Simpsons has gotten up to now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5El0ypdADg8 Jesus, it's just bloody awful. And that's about over ten years old as well!
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 11, 2021, 07:22:58 PM
To warm up I watched a classic episode. The last classic episode to be exact. Season 15's I, (Annoyed Grunt)-bot is the last episode that reaches well above average and could sit in a classic season without seeming too out of place. Who knows, will there be another classic amongst the next thirteen seasons?

Season 20 - Episode 2 - Lost Verizon

Skinner runs out of fuel so needs to walk to the gas station. On the way back, Barney is doing community service and believes Skinner is a huge beer can and attacks him whilst the school children watch on. Bart misses out on the hilarity so asks Marge for a cell phone, so he doesn't miss out on funny happenings in the future, but she declines as the family don't have the money.

Bart tries to make the money for the phone by collecting balls on the golf course, but he steps on the toes of Greenskeeper Willie. Bart is dejected until Denis Leary throws his phone in anger and Bart takes it. Bart starts getting phone calls for Denis Leary so starts using the phone for pranks. Marge takes the phone from Bart and speaks to Leary who suggests handing the phone back with the GPS on, so she can track his movements.

Homer and Marge track Bart on the computer and start to stop all of his mischief such as watching an R rated movie and digging up a grave. Lisa discovers the charade so tells Bart. Bart attaches the tracking chip to a bird and the family chase it to the Shelbyville Bird Sanctuary.

The family have now been gone for three days with Bart home alone and a bit lonely. The family track down the bird and Lisa checks the internet to see that the bird is flying south and is heading for Machu Picchu but chooses not to mention it to Marge and Homer. The family are now at Machu Picchu. Marge has a dream at Machu Picchu which encourages her not to be so overbearing. The bird lands on the laptop and they figure out what happened. The family return home after two weeks and Bart acts cool for a few seconds until he begs Marge never to leave again. Joke about Maggie being left at Machu Picchu and being worshipped as a god. Credits roll.

5/10 - Maybe I am in a good mood, but I rather enjoyed that. A good improvement.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: dissolute ocelot on January 11, 2021, 07:37:16 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on January 11, 2021, 07:22:58 PM
Season 20 - Episode 2 - Lost Verizon

5/10 - Maybe I am in a good mood, but I rather enjoyed that. A good improvement.
This is definitely one of the better ones: it combines utter awfulness (nobody has ever given a fuck about Dennis Leary), with a rather sweet plot about Lisa visiting Macchu Picchu, as well as some nice stuff about Bart being home alone, which is IIRC quite impressively animated with its mix of fun and terror. It scores by actually having some proper characterisation of Bart and Lisa, allowing them to be more than one-dimensional caricatures: it's great when Lisa realises she can get the family to go to Peru, and it's also fun watching Bart on his own. Shame the first half is very weak.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 11, 2021, 08:02:31 PM
Season 20 - Episode 3 - Double, Double, Boy in Trouble

Homer is distracted from buying a lottery ticket by Bart messing around, so Lenny buys the ticket and wins $50,000. Lenny spends the money on a party. Bart ruins Marge's dress with some mischief, so she has to wear her backup dress. Marge worries that Bart's bad behaviour isn't a phase. Lenny is planning on giving everybody at the party one of those vacuuming robots, but Bart switches them all on which wreaks havoc. Bart is punished by Marge. Bart finds his posh twin Simon and switches places which is the plot of the episode.

Bart has everything he ever wanted (just like he did in that episode when he was Burns' heir). Bart has a racecar bed. Simon hates living amongst the Simpson family and Lisa suspects something is up. Bart realises Simon's half brother and sister are horrible people and Simon reveals they resent him. Bart bumps into Mr Burns who reveals how all of his older relatives died, so he got the family fortune. Bart worries that Simon's brother and sister will try to kill him on a ski trip and Simon feels the same. Simon reveals the swap to the family and warns them of what might be happening...

Homer: Thank you future Bart for travelling back in time to warn us.

Well that line made me laugh. Homer rescues Bart. Simon returns to his rich life. Marge tucks Bart into bed. Credits roll.

4/10 - All a bit rushed and badly paced to go any higher, but it was a good try.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on January 11, 2021, 08:26:48 PM
Quote from: Consignia on January 11, 2021, 07:13:06 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5El0ypdADg8 Jesus, it's just bloody awful. And that's about over ten years old as well!
what the fuck is this unfunny shit

jesus cunting wept
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 11, 2021, 08:49:49 PM
Season 20 - Episode 4 - Treehouse of Horror XIX

In the opening, Homer tries to vote for Obama but it keeps registering it as McCain. The voting machine murders Homer.

Untitled Robot Parody

A parody of Transformers. Bart buys a toy car for Lisa for Christmas, but it is actually a transforming robot. Turns out other stuff around the house are robots. Homer and Flanders' car transform and fight. All the robots around town transform and fight. Marge convinces the transformers not to fight, but they instead decide to enslave the planet. The end.

How to Get Ahead in Dead-Vertising

Maggie is sent to daycare and is unhappy, but it then made to feel better by a mural including Krusty. Krusty demands the mural is removed as it infringes his intellectual rights so Homer shoves him which leads him to being murdered in a wood chipper. Some business men visit Homer and tell him that they can put dead people in adverts and they don't have to pay them so they want Homer to kill them. Homer kills George Clooney Prince and Neil Armstrong. All of the celebrities gang up in heaven to get revenge on Homer. Krusty kills Homer, so he locks them out of heaven and walks into the sunset with gay Abraham Lincoln. The end.

It's the Grand Pumpkin, Milhouse

I've never seen Charlie Brown so this parody is completely lost on me. Millhouse waits for the Grand Pumpkin (which Bart had already told Millhouse that he had made up). Millhouse starts to cry which brings the pumpkin to life. The Grand Pumpkin takes revenge on everybody for carving up pumpkins. Lisa realises Millhouse can bring stuff to life by believing in it, so she tells him of Tom Turkey in order to bring that to life to fight off the Grand Pumpkin. Tom Turkey takes revenge on everybody for eating turkeys. Marge wishes the viewers a happy holiday. Credits roll.

3/10 - Inoffensive I guess, so it doesn't go any lower but that was weak.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: neveragain on January 11, 2021, 09:48:29 PM
I quite enjoyed that one, particularly the Charlie Brown bit (and I've never seen that show, it's just funny). Homer's murders of Prince and George Clooney are very crudely edited on the C4 broadcasts.

There's also a recent Treehouse with a Black Mirror parody which was pretty good.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: St_Eddie on January 11, 2021, 10:19:28 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on January 11, 2021, 07:22:58 PM
Skinner runs out of fuel so needs to walk to the gas station. On the way back, Barney is doing community service and believes Skinner is a huge beer can and attacks him whilst the school children watch on.

I'm relieved to read that the later seasons maintained that vital sense of relatability.  Many is the day upon which I ran out of fuel and so needed to walk to the gas station. On my way back, I always ran into the town drunk doing community service and he always believed that the secondary school headmaster was a huge beer can and wanting to attack him, whilst the school children watched on with indifference.  We've all been there.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: ArtParrott on January 11, 2021, 10:28:29 PM
Quote from: neveragain on January 11, 2021, 09:48:29 PM
I quite enjoyed that one, particularly the Charlie Brown bit (and I've never seen that show, it's just funny). Homer's murders of Prince and George Clooney are very crudely edited on the C4 broadcasts.

Also the line/section with Nelson calling the Grand Pumpkin a racist, which got a laugh from me, is cut for some reason.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Marner and Me on January 11, 2021, 10:32:49 PM
Quote from: St_Eddie on January 11, 2021, 10:19:28 PM
I'm relieved to read that the later seasons maintained that vital sense of relatability.  Many is the day upon which I ran out of fuel and so needed to walk to the gas station. On my way back, I always ran into the town drunk doing community service and he always believed that the secondary school headmaster was a huge beer can and wanting to attack him, whilst the school children watched on with indifference.  We've all been there.
Rooted in reality.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: rude soil on January 12, 2021, 12:32:59 PM
And it was all a dream.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: MojoJojo on January 12, 2021, 01:49:15 PM
Quote from: Blumf on January 11, 2021, 01:48:13 PM
Have The Simpsons done a Family Guy style cutaway gag yet? I'm sure they have, but can't think of one.

I seem to remember something about the Simpson's writers, feeling a bit pissed off that Family Guy was ripping it off, made a deliberate policy to not have any more cutaway gags to distance themselves from Family Guy, although the policy didn't stay long. Although I can't find anything on google to back this up.

According to google, The Simpson's basically invented the cutaway gag - although didn't actually have that many. They tended to feel like they were inspired by the actual plot of the episode, unlike Fmily Guy which often feels like the writers have a bag of prepared cutaway gags they want crowbar in somewhere.

Cutaway Simpson gags I can think of- that baseball player in the mystery spot, Burn's "When pigs fly" bit,  the car bed bit.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: thr0b on January 12, 2021, 02:10:20 PM
"The Land of Chocolate"

I don't see them as the same as a Family Guy cutaway. They're almost always plot-related, and usually as a dream/imagination sequence.

Family Guy's don't have to be linked to the plot in any way.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Shit Good Nose on January 12, 2021, 02:42:01 PM
Most of Family Guy's cutaways are, and always have been, complete non-sequiturs. 

I know most people hate Family Guy because of the cutaway gags, but I've always personally thought they've been the show's strength - there's many an episode where the main story has been piss-poor but it's been saved by some excellent cutaways.  There was a period after (I think) season 8 or 9 when they all but completely did away with the cutaways and went for a more mainstream plot focus, and that run of episodes (may have even been a whole season - I can't remember now as it was several years ago) was a real slog (which, admittedly, says a lot about the writing of the show's main storylines), and then the cutaways came back (presumably because they knew the show was weak[er] without them).

Even though Family Guy is also WAY beyond its welcome now, I think on balance I'd take a new Family Guy episode over a new Simpsons episode, purely just because quite a few of the cutaways are still funny.


I acknowledge that VERY VERY few CaBbers share the above PERSONAL SUBJECTIVE opinion, and that has always been the case, and I have always acknowledged that that has been the case in other threads where Family Guy has been discussed.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 12, 2021, 03:09:56 PM
I personally think Family Guy was good for the first four seasons. Went downhill quite quickly afterwards. I think I stopped around Season 7.

Might watch a few later seasons when they are added to Disney+ at the end of February.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: checkoutgirl on January 12, 2021, 03:21:28 PM
Quote from: MojoJojo on January 12, 2021, 01:49:15 PM
unlike Fmily Guy which often feels like the writers have a bag of prepared cutaway gags they want crowbar in somewhere

Ah yes, the South Park manatees.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: checkoutgirl on January 12, 2021, 03:24:33 PM
Bit off topic but why is Seth MacFarlane so contemptible to me? I've never thought too much about it but the revulsion is overpowering whenever I see him on screen.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Shit Good Nose on January 12, 2021, 03:30:29 PM
Quote from: checkoutgirl on January 12, 2021, 03:24:33 PM
Bit off topic but why is Seth MacFarlane so contemptible to me? I've never thought too much about it but the revulsion is overpowering whenever I see him on screen.

Probably because he's very ubiquitous, efortlessly successful and often a bit smug with it. 

He doesn't rub me up the same way, but I totally understand those that share your opinion.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: madhair60 on January 12, 2021, 03:47:18 PM
Never understood the mass hate of Family Guy, a show that has never pretended to be anything more than a lowbrow gag vehicle you stick on ITV2 before bed.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: PlanktonSideburns on January 12, 2021, 05:03:50 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on January 08, 2021, 11:39:09 PM
Season 19 - Episode 2 - The Homer of Seville

The episode opens with the family accidentally crashing a funeral. Bart convinces the grieving grandson of the deceased that he must pay him $10 every week from now on. Bart is now a reprehensible human being.

Homer mishears pallbearer as "polar bear" and falls into a grave. This causes him to become really good at opera singing when he is lying down which is what the episode is about.

Lenny and Carl have sex with some old women before a fan of Homer rescues him from some old people a bit like that Father Ted episode. The fan takes off her clothes in front of Homer and tells him he can have her at any time but if he tells Marge then she will say he attacked her. Jesus fucking Christ, Homer is being threatened with false sexual assault claims. Oh great. Splendid. Well done.

The resolution is that the crazy fan has a chandelier fall on her and then Homer decides to stop being an opera singer because... erm... because.. erm... I dunno. But he can paint now. Roll credits.

1/10 - Shite.

EDIT - Forgot to say, Lenny and Carl have sex with the old ladies just a few seconds after the ladies say they aren't interested. All a bit rapey.

is this real?
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: PlanktonSideburns on January 12, 2021, 05:04:40 PM
wikipedia sayz



It was nominated for a Writers Guild of America Award in 2008.[8]

Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Leo2112 on January 12, 2021, 05:18:16 PM
Quote from: Phil_A on January 11, 2021, 11:07:03 AM
Something I've noticed in recent episodes is a tendency towards casual gore and gross-out stuff, way beyond the point where it feels appropriate for this kind of show


I remember this story segment from a recent Treehouse of Horror, which was just horribly gross and unfunny:

QuoteHomer remains home while the rest of the family go on vacation with Patty and Selma. Homer gets comfy, but ends up eating his food supplies, ending up with only vegetables before finding a frozen hot dog. Losing the hot dog to Santa's Little Helper, Homer accidentally cuts his finger off while grilling. He cooks the finger and eats it. He discovers how tasty it is, losing interest in other food when invited by Ned for lunch, and starts cooking parts of his body before his family come back. They become suspicious with Homer constantly wearing oven mitts to hide his severed fingers, being 20 pounds thinner, and walking with a limp. When Marge discovered Homer's self-cannibalism one night while he was frying his own severed leg, she takes him to an addiction counselor for help, but Mario Batali, in search for new ingredients, convinces a despondent (and now missing the entire lower half of his body) Homer to cook his remaining body parts as ingredients sold at Chez Homer and several other restaurants across Springfield. Carl mentions that they are also eating Barney Gumble, Comic Book Guy, and horse meat. In Heaven, Homer comments to Jesus how he now shares people eating his body with him, as the Springfield residents have turned into cannibals.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on January 12, 2021, 05:35:13 PM
Quote from: madhair60 on January 12, 2021, 03:47:18 PM
Never understood the mass hate of Family Guy, a show that has never pretended to be anything more than a lowbrow gag vehicle you stick on ITV2 before bed.
It bothers me how hateful the main characters have become towards each other. In the early days the parents being cruel to or about the kids was funny because it happened infrequently and was the complete opposite of how you'd expect parents to behave. A personal favourite moment of mine (which ironically often gets cut down in reruns) is a cutaway where Stewie presents Peter and Lois with a drawing which they fawn over, Peter promising that it's going straight up on the fridge. As soon as they believe Stewie is out of earshot, they laugh uproariously, trashing their toddler's efforts, and declare "Let's spit on it!", which they do. It's so over the top and outlandish that it's hilarious. Flash forward however many seasons and the rest of the family have spent so much time shitting on Meg that they have to write an episode justifying it. Then they turn around and try to do a heartwarming family togetherness episode and no. No, I don't believe you that these characters actually love each other. Fuck off. Make up your damn minds.

The show still has its moments. The funniest jokes are self-referential, like when Stewie acts like a baby ("Ugh, there's a lion in overalls on the aluminum foil. Who's that for? ...Lois, what are you doing? Get the one with the lion!") and Brian acts like a dog ("Rooo-ooo-ooo-ooo! I'm matching the sound! Roo-ooo-ooo-ooo! Is what I'm doing helping?"). Or when they make fun of the fact that they're characters in a sitcom ("Quick, cut to the outside of the house and play some music, that usually fixes everything!"). Arguably it didn't have as far to fall as The Simpsons, but it has fallen. Then again, what can you expect? It's been on the air for 19 seasons (soon to be 20).
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: DrGreggles on January 12, 2021, 05:36:45 PM
Quote from: PlanktonSideburns on January 12, 2021, 05:04:40 PM
wikipedia sayz



It was nominated for a Writers Guild of America Award in 2008.[8]

Wasn't that the year of the writer's strike?
Are Simpsons writers scabs?
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on January 12, 2021, 05:37:04 PM
wow that autophagia bit is joke-free shit huh. remember when you could have a horrifying Treehouse segment that also had great jokes like "lousy Smarch weather!"

him imagining ned's turkey as a trussed-up himself makes me think it's someone on the writing staff's creepy vore fetish more than anything else
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Pink Gregory on January 12, 2021, 06:19:39 PM
Quote from: idunnosomename on January 12, 2021, 05:37:04 PM
wow that autophagia bit is joke-free shit huh. remember when you could have a horrifying Treehouse segment that also had great jokes like "lousy Smarch weather!"

him imagining ned's turkey as a trussed-up himself makes me think it's someone on the writing staff's creepy vore fetish more than anything else

Guest starring Armin Meiwes
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: checkoutgirl on January 12, 2021, 06:48:08 PM
Quote from: Shit Good Nose on January 12, 2021, 03:30:29 PM
Probably because he's very ubiquitous, efortlessly successful and often a bit smug with it. 

He doesn't rub me up the same way, but I totally understand those that share your opinion.

And he did a load of singing and tap dancing while hosting at least one award ceremony. Like he was Bruce Forsyth or Fred a fucking stair. Fuck him. And he does those feature films about teddy bears or cowboys that are painfully unfunny. And in interviews he seems to think the origin stories of his shit catchphrases (Giggidy?) are noteworthy and interesting. And that guy in Family Guy with the big face is proper rapey. Yeah, it's all coming back to me now. He's a bell.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: checkoutgirl on January 12, 2021, 06:56:49 PM
Quote from: Leo2112 on January 12, 2021, 05:18:16 PM

I remember this story segment from a recent Treehouse of Horror, which was just horribly gross and unfunny:

To be fair Treehouse of Horror is often quite gory. There's a piece from classic era where the teachers in Springfield Elementary are systematically eating the students.

"Now to check on the free range children"

(https://preview.redd.it/78qaksrkua851.png?auto=webp&s=439c2be2c8d7ceff76d104e501ef403cd7b5410b)

And a bit where Bart Lisa and Millhouse are backed up into a giant blender. Grossness isn't really an argument against shit Simpsons so much as it being badly written, unfunny and devoid of originality.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Leo2112 on January 12, 2021, 07:21:07 PM
Quote from: checkoutgirl on January 12, 2021, 06:56:49 PMGrossness isn't really an argument against shit Simpsons

I think it is part of the argument.  Compared to the goriness of classic Treehouse episodes, the segment I mentioned was gratuitously nauseating, almost to the point of fetishizing its horror.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 12, 2021, 07:25:24 PM
I wonder if they just thought that Hannibal can get away with it on Network TV so they can.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 12, 2021, 08:09:43 PM
Season 20 - Episode 5 - Dangerous Curves

The Simpsons pick up the pimply teen kid and his girlfriend who are hitch-hiking which causes them to reminisce 20 years earlier on the same road. Homer and Marge are bike riding and meet the Flanders on the roadside. Homer takes an instant liking to Ned.

Now just five years earlier, they are driving across the same road with Patty and Selma. Homer throws Patty and Selma out of the car, but they then run out of fuel so Homer and Marge walk to a mansion to find a phone. There is a party at the mansion which Homer gets distracted at. Marge gets angry at Homer speaking to another woman called Sylvia (Homer is being his oblivious self and doesn't pick up on her advances) and then Marge falls into the pool.

Flashback to present and the family arrive at the Kozy Kabins where they are staying. Flashback to 20 years again but now Marge, Homer and the Flanders arrive at the Kozy Kabins. Ned refuses to let the two be together as they are unmarried.

Homer: "I never thought I would say this but: Stupid Flanders"

Flashback to the party and Marge is crying in a changing room at the party. The owner of the mansion, Alberto, brings a dress for Marge and then takes her for a ride in a plane. The plane lands at Kozy Kabins and Alberto tries to woo Marge. Homer also arrives drunk with Sylvia, but he just wants Marge. Homer and Marge get together whilst Alberto and Sylvia get together.

Now back in the present we see Alberto and Sylvia arrive at the Kozy Kabin and are together with a daughter. Homer realises that Marge was with Alberto that night and storms off. Now we see Bart and Lisa driving a children's toy car through the forest and acting like an old married couple.

Flashback to 20 years earlier and Homer and Ned are fishing. Marge arrives and they both sit under a tree and decide to carve their name on it in a heart. Now in the present Homer sees the carving on the tree and tries to pry it off for some reason and ends up knocking the tree over which leads to Homer and Marge falling into a ravine, but they stop just before hitting the water due to Homer holding onto the carving. Bart and Lisa peddle along in the toy car which is now a peddle boat due to Bart getting lost. Credits roll.

5/10 - A really great idea behind it to have the interlinking flashbacks, but it could have been done better. All that said, I saw it was a flashback episode and was worried, but then I was pleasantly surprised. Perhaps lighter on the laughs, but I will forgive it that for trying to tell a more inventive story.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: rue the polywhirl on January 12, 2021, 08:16:29 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on January 10, 2021, 12:13:46 AM
Season 19 - Episode 11 - That '90s Show

I did not hate this episode as much as I thought I would. There were enough funny moments to keep it ticking along.  I like Homer slumming it whilst watching Seinfeld - 'oh Elaine will you find anyone who is spongeworthy'. Also 'he who is tired of Weird Al is tired of life'. You could have easily had all the same jokes without ripping apart Homer and Marge's backstory. Would have been much better if it was 'Homer got hit in the head and thought he was in grunge band in the 90s', or 'it was all a dream and we're somehow in the 90s again'. Why was Chief Wiggum his regular age in the flashback portions of this episode? Everything got a lot noticeably worse when Bittersweet Symphony started kicking in. 6/10


Quote from: JamesTC on January 10, 2021, 04:20:59 PM
Season 19 - Episode 12 - Love, Springfieldian Style

An episode where Marge and Homer get stuck in a Tunnel Of Love ride and proceed to tell 3 completely random love stories. This episode wasn't offensively bad, just incredibly naff and lame. The Bonnie And Clyde had one laugh where Ned Flanders finds out he's an unwitting accomplice and also when he gets shot in the knee. Also a very surreal laugh when Homer and Marge keep up a conversation with the cops despite continually getting riddled with bullets for a full minute.

Shady and the vamp - A mostly weird and naff Lady And The Tramp parody. Has a line where Moe Dog says to Homer Dog that he has no chance with Marge Dog and that her fleas have more class. And then they actually cutaway to a gathering of Marge's fleas and all they're wearing monocles, smoking pipes and whatnot and sat in armchairs and talking with posh accents, killing what would have been a half-funny line completely stone dead. The Goofy bit where he is gassed would have been funnier if they had just left him dead and not have him make a reappearance at all to make a 'satirical' dig at Disney.

Last segment is purely what if Nelson and Lisa were Sid and Nancy and were chocolate addicts instead. The lamest yet least offensive of the segments, if a bit too reverential towards the Sex Pistols. Then the episode ends without resolving the main storyline and we never find out if Marge and Homer manage to escape from the Tunnel Of Love. 5/10
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on January 12, 2021, 08:26:50 PM
Quote from: checkoutgirl on January 12, 2021, 06:56:49 PM
To be fair Treehouse of Horror is often quite gory. There's a piece from classic era where the teachers in Springfield Elementary are systematically eating the students.

"Now to check on the free range children"

(https://preview.redd.it/78qaksrkua851.png?auto=webp&s=439c2be2c8d7ceff76d104e501ef403cd7b5410b)

And a bit where Bart Lisa and Millhouse are backed up into a giant blender. Grossness isn't really an argument against shit Simpsons so much as it being badly written, unfunny and devoid of originality.
he said unfunny. i'm not a massive fan of that school cannibalism segment but it's not awful. for instance that's a good joke right there. the homer eating himself is just fucking bizarre and not funny at all. it's not even that gory (no blood or organs other than bits of his brain), it's just unpleasant
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 12, 2021, 08:42:01 PM
Season 20 - Episode 6 - Homer and Lisa Exchange Cross Words

Bart and Lisa are selling lemonade. A huge crowd forms but Homer is refused as he wants the money to be put on his tab. Homer rides Lisa's bike to Moe's. At Moe's we see Krabappel and Skinner breaking up but she can't do it as Skinner keeps misunderstanding what she is about to say. Homer breaks up with Skinner for Krabappel but then convinces Skinner that things aren't all bad as he isn't tied down. Lenny congratulates Homer on making Skinner feel better after the breakup than before it and asks Homer to break up with his girlfriend for him. Lenny's girlfriend arrives and Homer tells her that Lenny is dead.

Bart and Lisa get stopped from selling lemonade from the State of Commerce and told to submit for a licence. Bart and Lisa go to get one but are delayed by a man doing a crossword so Lisa does it super quick for him. Homer's old gay roommate calls him and asks him to breakup with his boyfriend for him.

Homer: I'm going to a hardcore gay club and I won't be back till three in the morning.
Marge: Have fun.

Lisa is obsessed with crosswords. Homer successfully breaks up loads of couples at the gay club. Lisa sees the entire world as a crossword. Montage of Homer breaking people up as he now does it for a job. Lisa and Super Nintendo Chalmers talk about crosswords and he suggests she joins a tournament. Marge feels that Homer is making it too easy for people to break up and draws a comparison to their own relationship. Homer is haunted by the ghosts of the relationships that he broke up and vows to quit the breakup game.

Homer bets his breaking up money on Lisa at the crossword tournament and wins loads of money. Lisa is now facing Gil in the final but says she is worried so Homer bets against her. Lisa loses. Lisa finds out and is dejected. She changes her name to Lisa Bouvier. To win Lisa back, Homer commissions the New York Times to do a special crossword with an apology to Lisa hidden. The two makeup. Credits roll.

5/10 - What seemed to be heading for below average is elevated by a genuinely heartfelt ending.

Blimey, two average episodes in a row. They are on a roll.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: mr. logic on January 12, 2021, 09:34:45 PM
Quote from: Shit Good Nose on January 12, 2021, 02:42:01 PM
Most of Family Guy's cutaways are, and always have been, complete non-sequiturs. 

I know most people hate Family Guy because of the cutaway gags, but I've always personally thought they've been the show's strength - there's many an episode where the main story has been piss-poor but it's been saved by some excellent cutaways.  There was a period after (I think) season 8 or 9 when they all but completely did away with the cutaways and went for a more mainstream plot focus, and that run of episodes (may have even been a whole season - I can't remember now as it was several years ago) was a real slog (which, admittedly, says a lot about the writing of the show's main storylines), and then the cutaways came back (presumably because they knew the show was weak[er] without them).

Even though Family Guy is also WAY beyond its welcome now, I think on balance I'd take a new Family Guy episode over a new Simpsons episode, purely just because quite a few of the cutaways are still funny.


I acknowledge that VERY VERY few CaBbers share the above PERSONAL SUBJECTIVE opinion, and that has always been the case, and I have always acknowledged that that has been the case in other threads where Family Guy has been discussed.

I agree completely.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: St_Eddie on January 12, 2021, 11:07:33 PM
Quote from: MojoJojo on January 12, 2021, 01:49:15 PM
...unlike Fmily Guy which often feels like the writers have a bag of prepared cutaway gags they want crowbar in somewhere.

(https://i.imgur.com/7wtSI2u.jpg)

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EDIT: Just saw this...

Quote from: checkoutgirl on January 12, 2021, 03:21:28 PM
Ah yes, the South Park manatees.

D'oh!
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Jumblegraws on January 12, 2021, 11:30:32 PM
Quote from: MojoJojo on January 12, 2021, 01:49:15 PM.
Cutaway Simpson gags I can think of- that baseball player in the mystery spot, Burn's "When pigs fly" bit,  the car bed bit.
In $pringfield, when Homer says it's been his lifelong dream to work as a blackjack dealer and Marge replies that it was his lifelong dream to appear on The Gong Show, followed by a flashback to said appearance and it feels quite proto-Family Guy cutaway.

It's not a cutaway exactly, but Homer being ejected from a car by the Archie gang and warned to "stay out of Riverdale" was, if I remember rightly, a non-sequitur pop culture reference that nowadays wouldn't be out of place on FG. ETA I just checked the clip on Youtube, it's done as an echo to Bart being ejected from a car moments beforehand, but otherwise the use of the Archie gang is a pretty arbitrary bit of pop culture referencing whimsy.

Oh, and there's also that pretty throwaway gag about getting Milhouse on the FBI's most wanted list that sets up a cutaway homage to The Fugitive. Also quite FG-ish in retrospect.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: checkoutgirl on January 12, 2021, 11:51:25 PM
$pringfield has the photographic memory cut away with the bearded baby and penguins and muscley Homer.

"...and then I said to the president..."
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on January 13, 2021, 12:54:09 AM
if they depend on the circumstances of the plot at all they aren't really family guy cutaways.

it's got to be "that'd suck Lois! It'd almost be as bad as the time that Optimus Prime had to get a job at Dairy Queen"

*cutaway*

IT'S A LIVING
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: neveragain on January 13, 2021, 01:35:58 AM
It's still a cutaway (and surely influenced the style of humour in FG), even if it was more integral to the plot than the FG cutaways. I mean, the bit where Homer chases the squirrel in the College episode could be a cutaway. Smithers and Burns dancing around the nuclear plant. The 'The Birds' parody in Itchy And Scratchy Land. All cutaways, in my humble. (Okay, they weren't called 'cutaways' back then but they were still brief comedic tangents... I often think The Young Ones might have influenced MacFarlane as well)
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 13, 2021, 01:44:01 AM
Reading up some plots of recent Family Guy episodes, I see they did a recent episode called Cutawayland in which they are transported into a dimension in which all of the shows cutaways reside and new ones are made.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: neveragain on January 13, 2021, 01:58:29 AM
I liked that episode very much!
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: darby o chill on January 13, 2021, 02:11:50 AM
Quote from: checkoutgirl on January 12, 2021, 11:51:25 PM
$pringfield has the photographic memory cut away with the bearded baby and penguins and muscley Homer.

"...and then I said to the president..."

That's a great one.

(https://i.imgur.com/TeGykjw.jpg)

Homer shaving high. Wear your love like heaven ♫

(https://i.imgur.com/nYlQ6Af.gif)
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: DoesNotFollow on January 13, 2021, 01:03:40 PM
(https://res-4.cloudinary.com/ybmedia/image/upload/c_scale,f_auto,q_auto,w_700/v1/m/8/3/832685377b0e4a4d6d45a5d86d67c09962458cb9/rainier.jpg)
"That's the plot."

Enjoying this thread a lot, thanks for your sacrifice JamesTC.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 13, 2021, 08:43:46 PM
Season 20 - Episode 7 - MyPods and Boomsticks

The Simpsons are at the mall just after Christmas time. Lisa wants to go to the Mapple store. No that isn't a typo. The logo is an apple with two bites taken out of it. Lisa is sad about now being able to afford Mapple products and then Krusty gives her a MyPod for some reason. Fucking hell. Oh it is Steve Mobbs on a big screen. Fucking hell. Bart takes over the audio to take the piss out of Mapple users which leads to a parody of that Apple 1984 ad. Bart escapes angry Mapple users.

Bart smells something nice outside a house and goes to the back and meets a new friend called Bashir who has just moved from Jordan. Bart gives him the lowdown on Springfield Elementary and also tells him not to let people know he is Muslim as the bullies will attack him for being different (it is done a little better than how I have written it down). Lisa is enjoying her MyPod.

Homer meets Bashir (initially thinking he was Millhouse) and likes him. Now at Moe's we see Lenny and Carl make fun of Homer for his son having a Muslim friend. They convince Homer that Muslims are bad. Homer invites Bashir's parents over, and he acts islamophobic so they leave. Marge tells Homer he needs to go to their house and apologise. He goes to their house but sees a light in the garage and thinks he sees dynamite and returns home. Homer has a dream with the Robin Williams genie in which he turns everything in Springfield Muslim. Homer wakes up and now believes the threat is real.

Lisa gets a huge bill for the MyPod for all the songs she downloaded. Homer overhears Bashir's father say "but I love blowing up buildings" but doesn't hear him elaborate that he works in construction. When the father has left, Homer knocks and apologises and is invited in.

Homer: Praise be Alaba
Bashir's Mother: That's Allah
Homer: We'll look it up in the corona*

Homer continues to act islamophobic and then finds the family computer has plans to blow up Springfield Mall. Homer rushes to the mall and finds Bart, Bashir and his father with a detonator. Homer rushes past and finds the dynamite which he throws into the river which destroys a bridge. Homer hosts a BBQ with Bashir and his family to apologise for his intolerance.

Lisa travels to the bottom of the sea in a giant USB stick to visit Steve Mobbs. In order to pay her bill she must dress up as a MyPod and hand out flyers. Credits roll.

2/10 - The Apple stuff was absolute vapid shite. The Homer plot was only slightly better. I do think that Homer is just very easily led by the gang at Moe's rather than an intolerant person, but it is still pretty uncomfortable stuff.


*I only quoted due to corona and people saying that The Simpsons predicts everything.

EDIT - I would add that the episode's intentions are noble. The episode is looking to question Islamophobia and in that sense it probably does a better job than some contemporaries but that doesn't mean the episode itself is actually any good, unfortunately.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: sutin on January 13, 2021, 08:51:39 PM
Quote from: madhair60 on January 12, 2021, 03:47:18 PM
Never understood the mass hate of Family Guy, a show that has never pretended to be anything more than a lowbrow gag vehicle you stick on ITV2 before bed.

Ugly animation, lazy comedy, obnoxious shallow characters.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 13, 2021, 09:17:02 PM
Season 20 - Episode 8 - The Burns and the Bees

The episode opens with the opening titles remixed to be Christmas themed which is actually okay.

Mr Burns is at a billionaire's retreat. Bart is dared to put a bee's nest on second-graders but Lisa discovers that all the bees are dead. Back to the retreat and Jeff Bezos wets himself. Mr Burns plays poker with the rich Texan and wins a basketball team.

Lisa explains to Homer that the bees are dying and that there will be no honey and he imagines a post-apocalyptic world with no honey and agrees to save the "worms". Professor Frink says they need to find a bee queen to start a new colony. Lisa is stung in the face by a queen bee and a new hive forms around her face. Marge doesn't like Lisa having bees on her face but she agrees to let her keep them for one night.

Mr Burns meets the owner of another basketball team who has a lot of fun. Mr Burns does the secret billionaire handshake with him and then asks him about why he has fun. Marge takes Lisa to an abandoned greenhouse for the bees. Mr Burns tries to have fun with his basketball team, but he keeps getting it all wrong. Mr Burns murders a man in a gorilla costume. Mr Burns decides to build a new arena for the basketball team, but it is going to be built right on Lisa's bee hive.

Town meeting with debate between Lisa and Burns. Mr Burns wins. Lisa takes away the bees in a bottle and takes them to Moe's for some reason. Lisa leaves the bees at Moe's with Homer. Moe tells Homer that he has super strong bees in the back and they should breed them to make super strong bees.

Six weeks later we see Homer and Lisa go to the stadium. Outside there are hives full of the thriving bees. Lisa panics as she asks if they are dangerous. The bees rush to the stadium because it looks like a hive. The crowd in the stadium are overrun by bees. Chief Wiggum is shot by the bees.

One year later Mr Burns is at another billionaire retreat and it is revealed that Mr Burns is $4m short of being a billionaire, so the billionaires throw him to the millionaires camp. Credits roll.

3/10
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Marner and Me on January 13, 2021, 09:32:05 PM
Why are you putting yourself through this procedure?
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: C_Larence on January 13, 2021, 09:39:42 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on January 13, 2021, 08:43:46 PMBart smells something nice outside a house and goes to the back and meets a new friend called Bashir who has just moved from Jordan. Bart gives him the lowdown on Springfield Elementary and also tells him not to let people know he is Muslim as the bullies will attack him for being different (it is done a little better than how I have written it down). Lisa is enjoying her MyPod.

Eat Up Martyr
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 13, 2021, 10:01:54 PM
Season 20 - Episode 9 - Lisa the Drama Queen

Comic Book Guy is teaching some kids Kung Fu for some reason. Led by Bart, all the kids attack Comic Book Guy. Lisa is at an art class. An English girl called Juliet in the class is really creative and Lisa encourages her despite the teacher being an arse. Lisa and Juliet become friends which is the plot of the episode. They go to an art exhibit. Juliet comes for dinner and sleeps over. Lisa and Juliet become best friends. Lisa and Juliet write a book called Tales of Equalia together.

The Simpsons go to Juliet's house to have dinner with her family. Juliet gets angry with her father and runs out. Lisa follows Juliet and they enter a fantasy all set in Equalia. Back at the Simpson house, Lisa and Juliet continue writing the book. Skinner calls Marge and Homer in and says that Lisa is being distracted by writing the book. Marge tells Lisa she can't see Juliet any more.

Juliet runs away and finds Lisa at the school and tells her to join her as Equalia needs her. Lisa and Juliet stay in an abandoned restaurant and pretend it is a castle. Marge finds out Lisa is missing and she blames herself. Marge instantly works out where they are... oh it turns out she has the wrong place.

The bullies arrive at the abandoned restaurant and lock up Lisa and Juliet in cages. Lisa convinces Kearney to let them out by telling the story of Equlia. Jimbo returns and goes to burn the Equalia book but Kearney beats them up to save the book. Lisa and Juliet escape. Lisa tells Juliet she doesn't want to live in the fantasy any more. Lisa submits the book to be published and it is rejected. Credits roll.

3/10 - Meh

The Simpsons in SD is over. They switch to HD and widescreen with the following episode. An end of an era. Even if the show has been awful for several seasons, I still think a line is drawn in the sand here and in many people's minds it will be the SD Simpsons vs the HD Simpsons. Scary thought it that there is a very real possibility that there will be more HD episodes of The Simpsons than SD in a few years.

This is the last shot of The Simpsons in SD.

(https://i.imgur.com/VE3W14W.jpg)
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 13, 2021, 10:05:29 PM
Quote from: Marner and Me on January 13, 2021, 09:32:05 PM
Why are you putting yourself through this procedure?

I've paid for Disney+ so I might as well get my money's worth. Besides, what else am I going to do with my time? Something productive? Hah.

I just live in the hope that I get one more classic episode in amongst the next 12 seasons. Just one solitary episode is all I ask for. It has been since Season 15 since we've had one right now.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: dissolute ocelot on January 13, 2021, 10:33:06 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on January 13, 2021, 10:01:54 PM
Season 20 - Episode 9 - Lisa the Drama Queen
This is a weird episode because it feels like a parody but I've no idea what it's supposed to be a parody of - Bridge to Terabithia (twee kids book/movie about
Spoiler alert
death
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) or Heavenly Creatures (mad lesbian murderers), with a bit of Scheherezade/Arabian Nights. It feels like it has the making of an interesting episode if only they weren't trying so hard to parody something I have no idea of. And Juliet is really annoying.

But that's not the weirdest thing: Juliet's dad is the world's foremost John Grisham scholar. Yup, there's a dated reference, and one that makes no sense. Is it a parody? Is it a reference? Is it meaningful at all? It would be nice if he was a scholar of something it was parodying. It just throws up lots of questions which it completely fails to answer and completely destroys it tonally. Another baffling decision. If Family Guy is written by porpoises randomly pushing balls, I don't know what kind of squidgy mammal is assembling zombie simpsons out of random sentences torn from Wikipedia.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: dissolute ocelot on January 13, 2021, 10:35:45 PM
Ignore
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 13, 2021, 11:23:22 PM
Season 20 - Episode 10 - Take My Life, Please

The HDTV had better not fall off the wall after each couch gag. Fucking hell. The new HD opening is bad enough with all the inserting of unnecessary side characters.

Springfield are inducting a new person on the Springfield Wall of Fame. Homer hates the new inductee, Vance Connor, as he knew him in high school and lost to him in the election for class president. Homer is convinced that Vance isn't really as happy as he seems but he is. Homer is depressed at Moe's as he believes losing the election ruined his life. Lenny and Carl tell Homer that the election was fixed as Principal Dondelinger told them to bury the ballot box. Al Gore tells Homer to just move on from it.

Homer and Lenny hunt for the ballot box and recover it. Lisa counts the vote and Homer won. Homer believes he would have been rich and had a hot wife if he rightfully won that election. Homer hunts down Dondelinger for answers. Flashback to the election again and some jocks were planning on fixing the election for Homer to make fun of him. Homer is conflicted about this revelation.

Homer is off his food at the Italian restaurant. Luigi tells him about some magic tomato sauce that lets him see into the life he would have led. Homer wins the election and everybody initially laughs but then everybody cheers him on led by Lenny and Carl. Homer is successful as class president and goes to prom with a popular girl called Debbie. Homer breaks up with Debbie at prom and gets with Marge. Homer gets a great job at the power plant and has a mansion on the site of Flander's house. Bart, Lisa and Maggie are never born as they used protection. Homer tries to live in the magic tomato sauce.

Homer is depressed in a paddling pool. Homer refuses to believe Bruce Wayne is Batman. The family takes Homer to the Wall of Fame where they have added a plaque for him. Credits roll.

3/10 - The Simpsons in HD, so what? Is that all that you got?
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 13, 2021, 11:51:13 PM
Season 20 - Episode 11 - How the Test Was Won

The HDTV did not fall off the wall at the end of the opening credits. Phew.

Homer and Marge are celebrating the start of the new school year. Marge tells Homer to mail the insurance and Homer reminisces all the times he got hurt which means a minute-long montage of times Homer got hurt in much better episodes which ends on all of Homer's clones from the Treehouse of Horror episode dying and a nuclear explosion. To be fair the montage ends with Homer laughing to himself and saying "What a week" which got a big laugh from me. They also get a bonus thumbs up for not cropping 4:3 material into widescreen.

The school is having standardised tests so the teachers are making it so they pass in order to increase the school budget which is the plot of the episode. Two weeks later and Homer is driving Lisa and Bart to school. Homer still hasn't mailed the letter for the insurance. Bart is told he aced the practice test so doesn't have to do the actual test and goes to a pizza party instead, but it is actually just a way to get the underperformers away.

Homer realises he isn't insured and starts to panic. He mails it directly to the insurance company but the insurance company are closed for a wedding until 3pm so he is uninsured until then. Lisa is struggling with the test. Ralph needs to pee so Skinner stops the bus with the underperformers on at a gas station. The bus gets stolen. Homer tells Marge he can't get into trouble until 3pm so he has a fantasy of everything going wrong at Marge's bookclub and that Marge goes lesbian. Homer then stops actual disaster at Marge's bookclub with 10 seconds left until 3pm.

Ralph is stuck on a garbage barge. Skinner rescues him and in doing so he teaches Bart and the four bullies something. Skinner, Otto and the kids ride the garbage barge back to Springfield. Lisa has two minutes left of the exam and hasn't answered a single question. Skinner barges into the exam and tells them all to stop the exam and they are stopping the test as he has found a better way to teach kids. Everybody at the school does a dance. Roll credits.

3/10
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: bgmnts on January 14, 2021, 12:05:43 AM
Quote from: St_Eddie on January 11, 2021, 10:19:28 PM
I'm relieved to read that the later seasons maintained that vital sense of relatability.  Many is the day upon which I ran out of fuel and so needed to walk to the gas station. On my way back, I always ran into the town drunk doing community service and he always believed that the secondary school headmaster was a huge beer can and wanting to attack him, whilst the school children watched on with indifference.  We've all been there.

Doesn't Homer go to space in one classic episode?
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: St_Eddie on January 14, 2021, 01:36:32 AM
Quote from: bgmnts on January 14, 2021, 12:05:43 AM
Doesn't Homer go to space in one classic episode?

Yes and I thought that it was too far fetched at the time but the key difference is that it was actually funny.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on January 14, 2021, 01:47:54 AM
i mean, ironically, it's actually one of the more realistic plots of that season, compared to bart getting an elephant and homer being a barbershop quartet that was as big as the beatles.

in season 26 the simpsons go to Rigel VII or some shit
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Carpool Dragon on January 14, 2021, 04:06:36 AM
Quote from: JamesTC on January 13, 2021, 10:05:29 PM
I just live in the hope that I get one more classic episode in amongst the next 12 seasons. Just one solitary episode is all I ask for. It has been since Season 15 since we've had one right now.

I know you're doing these chronologically, but the S26 episode Barts New Friend was good (because it was written by Judd Apatow in 1990, it avoids the rot of Zombie Simpsons). Also quite enjoyable was S27's Halloween of Horror, where the writers remembered that Lisa is an eight year old girl, not Lindy West.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Mobbd on January 14, 2021, 08:40:05 AM
Quote from: JamesTC on January 13, 2021, 10:01:54 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/VE3W14W.jpg)

Not sure what's going on in this scene (I don't think I've seen the episode) but it's presumably a reverie Homer falls into, probably after lambasting Lisa about spending too much time in fantasy.

But what has Lisa morphed into in this vision? A starfish? Why, because her head is star-shaped? The other members of the family have become things Homer likes -- a monster truck, a Duff, a hotdog -- not things they are shaped like. Couldn't the writers think of a fourth thing that Homer likes?

If they weren't comfortable making Homer's eight-year-old daughter look like bikini babe in his daydream, Marge could have fulfilled that role and Lisa could have been the Duff, no? Or just make Lisa into a cupcake? Or a bag of Doritos? Given that Maggie takes the form of a Monster Truck (a petty generic hick interest rather than anything super-specific to Homer) they didn't have to be very clever.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Jumblegraws on January 14, 2021, 09:42:27 AM
Quote from: Mobbd on January 14, 2021, 08:40:05 AM
But what has Lisa morphed into in this vision? A starfish? Why, because her head is star-shaped? The other members of the family have become things Homer likes -- a monster truck, a Duff, a hotdog -- not things they are shaped like. Couldn't the writers think of a fourth thing that Homer likes?
Not seen the episode but I like guessing-games, so, given the junk food theme, I'd guess a blooming onion?
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: thr0b on January 14, 2021, 09:53:06 AM
Quote from: sutin on January 13, 2021, 08:51:39 PM
Ugly animation, lazy comedy, obnoxious shallow characters.

There is some really, really good animation in that show, so disagree there.

And the comedy may be lazy, but it IS funny. There's few shows that can make me laugh out loud, and Family Guy is consistently one of them.

Arguably American Dad is the better of the Seth McFarlane cartoons, but I'll always choose to watch Family Guy in a pinch over Stan & co. American Dad is tremendous, but less well suited to sticking on for a quick laugh.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JaDanketies on January 14, 2021, 10:03:08 AM
Quote from: thr0b on January 14, 2021, 09:53:06 AM
And the comedy may be lazy, but it IS funny. There's few shows that can make me laugh out loud, and Family Guy is consistently one of them.

Have you stuck with it and continued watching the newest episodes? I mean, really it's been substandard for over a decade if not forever, but up until about five years ago I used to download the new episodes and think they were terrible. Now when I catch a new episode on the telly I think it's terrible. I think a watershed moment for me was Stewie Griffin: The Untold Story, where he meets himself in the future and he's a virgin. They would break it up into three segments for TV syndication, and each of those segments contained no jokes whatsoever. I think the only funny bit of the whole movie was the section where they arrive on the red carpet. That was 2005 - 16 years ago!
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: thr0b on January 14, 2021, 10:55:22 AM
Yep, I still watch every episode. It's no longer at its peak, but there's almost always something good in an episode.

Just from the current season, I really enjoyed:

Stewie's First Word
Meg's Wedding
The First No L - this one is quite reminiscent of Simpsons episodes from the mid/late 90s.

From back in 2018, this episode is great - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Send_in_Stewie,_Please - similar to the bank vault episode, this is (mostly) just Stewie and his psychologist and played relatively straight.

Anybody who refers to season numbers is in for a bad time. I don't know what season Family Guy is on these days, and I doubt they do either.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: neveragain on January 14, 2021, 01:11:24 PM
Hear hear! I still watch and enjoy FG too. (Although I thought the Ian McKellen two-hander episode was poorly written unfortunately)
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: madhair60 on January 14, 2021, 01:13:37 PM
Still like Family Guy. One of the only things that'll always get a laugh out of me. Usually by being phenomenally dumb.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: dead-ced-dead on January 14, 2021, 02:31:16 PM
Quote from: Carpool Dragon on January 14, 2021, 04:06:36 AM
I know you're doing these chronologically, but the S26 episode Barts New Friend was good (because it was written by Judd Apatow in 1990, it avoids the rot of Zombie Simpsons). Also quite enjoyable was S27's Halloween of Horror, where the writers remembered that Lisa is an eight year old girl, not Lindy West.

I've been burnt before by people saying, "New Simpsons is terrible, but this episode is really good," only for it to be awful, so I watched it and..... I hate it.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Blumf on January 14, 2021, 03:49:42 PM
TheRealJims[nb]YouTuber who's been doing some nice reviews/overviews of The Simpsons[/nb] did a review of S25E12 Diggs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qj6eSGY94zw&t=633s) which sounds intriguing, if only for the fact they appear to have tried something, even if it didn't work. Seems like they wanted to do something about mental illness in a sensitive way, but didn't manage to nail any of it down, or have any jokes.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: thr0b on January 14, 2021, 04:07:16 PM
Quote from: dead-ced-dead on January 14, 2021, 02:31:16 PM
I've been burnt before by people saying, "New Simpsons is terrible, but this episode is really good," only for it to be awful, so I watched it and..... I hate it.

I frequently find with new Simpsons that everything is a swing and a miss. The ideas are frequently good, the execution shite.

There's an episode from a few years back where Kent Brockman gets sacked, so decides to go rogue and become a reporter free of network shackles etc. It's a decent idea, which entirely throws itself away with no real resolution other than Kent getting his job back and saying "I like money". This happens in the final seconds of the episode.

They often write themselves into a corner, or spend so much on side-plots they don't leave enough time for the main plot.

I think they forget - not every character needs to be in every episode.

A recent Family Guy dealt with this; some Pop-Up Video captions were being used throughout the episode, and one of them said "You all complained when we killed off Brian, but you didn't notice he wasn't in this episode, did you?"

The Simpsons wants a plot for every Simpson family member. It's not needed. A quick joke with Homer/Bart, you're into the main plot with Lisa. You don't have to spend 10:30 on both.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: thr0b on January 14, 2021, 04:13:59 PM
To add: Family Guy has done similar. Tom Tucker quitting/being sacked to pursue a career as an actor with Peter as his agent.

It doesn't work out, so he goes back to Channel 5. This makes sense within the logic of the show, and there is a joke about it.

QuoteTom: Good evening, Quahog. I'm Tom Tucker.

Joyce: And I'm Joyce Kinney. Tom, I think I speak for all of us here at Channel Five News when I say it's good to have you back here at half your original salary.

Tom: Still twice yours, Joyce.

Not the greatest joke ever, but it works in the show - there is a consequence, it's funny and it need never be referred to again as it doesn't actually piss over everything that happened in the episode, nor does it impact anything they might want to do in future.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: dead-ced-dead on January 14, 2021, 04:58:44 PM
Quote from: thr0b on January 14, 2021, 04:07:16 PM


I think they forget - not every character needs to be in every episode.



I like to call this Comic Book Guy dilemma. A fan favourite character; a character who, when used sparingly is very funny. So in response to his popularity he starts being shoved into several episodes to quote his "worst (blank) ever" character but the overuse causes him to become stale and silly. He even starts getting B plots. And that extends to the other also ran one joke characters, too. Just because they're funny in one scene, doesn't mean they'll be funny in every scene.

There's a tiered hierarchy that writers should follow:

Tier 1 - Simpsons family
Tier 2 - Main supporting cast (Moe, Skinner, Lovejoy, Apu, Grampa, Mr Burns, some of Bart's school friends etc) - Can have main or B-plots sparringly.
Tier 3 - Frequent one-sceners (Lenny, Carly, Dr. Hibbert, the rest of Bart's school friends etc) - No to few B or main plots, but show up every or every other episode
Tier 4 - Strict one-sceners. Use sparingly (Disco Stu, Comic Book Guy, Miss Hoover etc) - Giving a main or B plot is a fireable offence. 
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JaDanketies on January 14, 2021, 05:13:09 PM
Quote from:  Comic Book Guy, Season 9But Aquaman, you cannot marry a woman without GILLS. You're from two different worlds! (missile POV directly to his face) Oh, I've wasted my life.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: sutin on January 14, 2021, 05:42:58 PM
Quote from: JaDanketies on January 14, 2021, 10:03:08 AM
Have you stuck with it and continued watching the newest episodes? I mean, really it's been substandard for over a decade if not forever, but up until about five years ago I used to download the new episodes and think they were terrible. Now when I catch a new episode on the telly I think it's terrible. I think a watershed moment for me was Stewie Griffin: The Untold Story, where he meets himself in the future and he's a virgin. They would break it up into three segments for TV syndication, and each of those segments contained no jokes whatsoever. I think the only funny bit of the whole movie was the section where they arrive on the red carpet. That was 2005 - 16 years ago!

I pretty much watch it daily. It's shown on TV endlessly and my partner likes it. I've probably seen every episode multiple times. Sure, it makes me laugh sometimes but it's still charmless, artless, empty shite.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JaDanketies on January 14, 2021, 05:50:50 PM
Quote from: sutin on January 14, 2021, 05:42:58 PM
I pretty much watch it daily. It's shown on TV endlessly and my partner likes it. I've probably seen every episode multiple times. Sure, it makes me laugh sometimes but it's still charmless, artless, empty shite.

I think where Family Guy really falls down is that it's nasty. It doesn't have a warm heart. I might be more forgiving if it was still warm and cosy, but it instead feels soulless. And I guess all those 'fuck the viewer' jokes, like playing music videos in their entirety, helped to kill any underlying sympathy.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on January 14, 2021, 06:04:36 PM
Quote from: JaDanketies on January 14, 2021, 05:50:50 PM
I guess all those 'fuck the viewer' jokes, like playing music videos in their entirety, helped to kill any underlying sympathy.
Don't forget the scenes where they play voice-over for two minutes over a static image.

Any animated family sitcom that stays on the air long enough eventually degrades. The characters never have to age, so at some point you run out of stories you can do with child characters and have to resort to nonsense like Bart being awarded a driving licence for saving the city and then running away with Jimbo's pregnant girlfriend. There's no natural end to the show like there is with live action family sitcoms (i.e. the kids growing up and moving out), so you end up with seasons and seasons of episodes that are at best forgettable and at worst demented character-breaking shite. I still catch Family Guy and American Dad but fucked if I can remember any stand-out episodes of the last five years from either show.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: sutin on January 14, 2021, 06:06:30 PM
It's unearned nastiness too. Seinfeld has no warmth but it was one of the funniest shows in TV history. Family Guy is lazy *and* nasty.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: sutin on January 14, 2021, 06:56:05 PM
Quote from: thr0b on January 14, 2021, 09:53:06 AM
There is some really, really good animation in that show, so disagree there.

Not saying it's technically bad, it's just all smooth and digitally processed.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 14, 2021, 11:20:18 PM
Season 20 - Episode 12 - No Loan Again, Naturally

The HDTV fell off the wall at the end of the opening. FUCK OFF.

Homer is preparing the house for a Mardi Gras party. Marge tells Homer to invite Flanders. Lenny asks Homer how he affords the party every year and he reveals he has a home equity loan which he doesn't understand. Marge receives a letter from the mortgage company, so they visit the broker (Gil) who forecloses their house. Homer tries to hand himself in a noose with hilarious consequences. At an auction for the house, Flanders sees the Simpsons walk away sadly, so he buys their house and tells them they can rent the house and pay him back when they can which is the plot of the episode.

As their landlord, Flanders agrees to fix problems around the house. Marge is selfish in asking Flanders to do more. Homer is angry at Flanders for not fixing something so Moe tells him to get back at him. Kent Brockman does a piece on Flanders being a bad landlord. Flanders tells the Simpsons that they need to leave at the end of the month. Homer dresses up as Jesus to try to convince Flanders to continue to let them stay. Homer then realises that having an over-75 at the house means they cannot be thrown out so invites Grandpa to the house. Flanders convinces Grandpa to move him with him and the Simpsons are homeless.

Flanders welcomes new tenants to the house, but Flanders feels bad so lets the family return. Credits roll.

4/10 - I feel like this is an episode with a few jokes that landed well elevated it somewhat.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 15, 2021, 12:01:40 AM
Season 20 - Episode 13 - Gone Maggie Gone

Odd to note that the TV in the couch gag is the old TV. I wonder if this was an unused gag that they repurposed. The HDTV did not fall from the wall.

Springfield is going to experience a solar eclipse. Really out of place space shot of the moon moving in between the sun and the earth. The Simpsons are watching the eclipse. Homer damages his camera obscura so Marge gives him hers. Marge looks at the eclipse and we get a shot right out of a creepypasta with her eyes going red. Dr Hibbert says that Marge must keep her eyes covered for two weeks and explains to Homer that he must not cause her any stress over the next two weeks otherwise she could be blinded.

The family have cooked Marge a nice meal to relax her. Homer enters the kitchen to find it overrun by rats. Homer goes to the pest control store with Santa's Little Helper and Maggie and he buys some poison. Santa's Little Helper wants the bunny teddy that Maggie has and Maggie wants the poison that looks like candy. Eventually Homer has to cross a river like that classic riddle about taking only one across at a time and not leaving one with a certain thing. Homer sees Professor Frink and tries to ask him for help but accidentally throws poison into his mouth. Homer works out the riddle but leaves Maggie on the doorstep of a convent where a nun thinks she has been left for them. The nuns will not let him have Maggie back.

Homer returns home and tells Bart and Lisa and they tell him not to tell Marge. Lisa pretends to be a young nun to infiltrate the convent. Lisa must find clues to find a gem for some reason according to one nun. Homer turns his hand into Maggie to fool Marge. Lisa continues to find clues and must find the biggest ring in Springfield. Lisa goes to the belltower. Bart has to pretend to be Lisa. Principal Skinner and Comic Book Guy are also seeking the gem. Skinner tells the story of the gem. Turns out the biggest ring is actually the word ring in the Springfield sign. Mr Burns is there and also wants the gem.

A message on the Springfield sign is unjumbled and reveals that the gem is Lisa. Lisa thinks she is the gem child that will bring world peace. Mother Superior then reveals that the gem child is Maggie. Maggie is on a throne and rainbows shine over Springfield. Peace reigns over the town. Marge barges in to rescue Maggie and her eyes are magically healed. Bart replaces Maggie on the throne and hell reigns over Springfield. Credits roll.

3/10 - The second half was fucking weird. Why the hell couldn't it just be a standard story about Homer having to fool Marge while she has lost her sight? Oh well.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Master Cylinder on January 15, 2021, 01:18:45 AM
I came across a Season 22 episode last night on TV with Simpsons puppets and it ended on a Moe puppet and live action Katy Perry pussyeating joke .I have nothing more to add.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Blumf on January 15, 2021, 01:32:31 AM
Quote from: Master Cylinder on January 15, 2021, 01:18:45 AM
I came across a Season 22 episode last night on TV with Simpsons puppets and it ended on a Moe puppet and live action Katy Perry pussyeating joke .I have nothing more to add.

That one of those examples of modern Simpsons just having a celeb there for no other reason than "look a celeb!" No smart jokes, no natural plot value, just a boring cameo.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: dissolute ocelot on January 15, 2021, 10:28:43 AM
Quote from: JamesTC on January 14, 2021, 11:20:18 PM
Season 20 - Episode 12 - No Loan Again, Naturally
It's nice seeing the Simpsons doing an episode that sort-of recognises that economics exists, some of the bank jokes are quite funny (even if they seem too extreme for the Simpsons universe), and the idea of Ned as the Simpsons' landlord is obviously one with a lot of comic possibility. But the suggestion that the Simpsons have a Mardi Gras party every year just seems like a random fuck you to people who've actually watched the show before. Still, it is quite entertaining.

Quote from: JamesTC on January 15, 2021, 12:01:40 AM
Season 20 - Episode 13 - Gone Maggie Gone
This is another that feels like it's a parody of something but again I've no idea what it's a parody of - a bit like some Japanese video games (with their odd portrayal of a still quasi-medieval Europe), a bit like Da Vinci code? Nonetheless, it feels like the parody is very well done, it's just that there are no fucking jokes after the first 5 minutes. Again, a decent idea squandered.

As for Katy Perry, who doesn't want to see Perry in a tight rubber dress next to the puppet Simpsons? Who cares about plot or logic or suitability for children or whatever, I think that all of us no matter our gender or sexuality want to see Perry-puppet porn.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: neveragain on January 15, 2021, 12:22:25 PM
Quote from: Blumf on January 15, 2021, 01:32:31 AM
That one of those examples of modern Simpsons just having a celeb there for no other reason than "look a celeb!" No smart jokes, no natural plot value, just a boring cameo.

Well, it was a parody of the Muppets so having a celeb there made sense in that instance.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on January 15, 2021, 06:00:30 PM
Quote from: Blumf on January 15, 2021, 01:32:31 AM
That one of those examples of modern Simpsons just having a celeb there for no other reason than "look a celeb!" No smart jokes, no natural plot value, just a boring cameo.
They've been doing that since season 8 to be fair
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Pink Gregory on January 15, 2021, 07:36:06 PM
Quote from: Blumf on January 15, 2021, 01:32:31 AM
That one of those examples of modern Simpsons just having a celeb there for no other reason than "look a celeb!" No smart jokes, no natural plot value, just a boring cameo.

The episode that heavily features Werner Herzog comes to mind.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on January 15, 2021, 08:13:01 PM
Quote from: Pink Gregory on January 15, 2021, 07:36:06 PM
The episode that heavily features Werner Herzog comes to mind.
And then he admitted to being a grown-up Augustus Gloop for some fucking reason.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Thursday on January 15, 2021, 08:16:54 PM
Quote from: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on January 15, 2021, 06:00:30 PM
They've been doing that since season 8 to be fair

They did it way earlier, it's just it was funny.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 15, 2021, 09:47:44 PM
Quote from: dissolute ocelot on January 15, 2021, 10:28:43 AM

This is another that feels like it's a parody of something but again I've no idea what it's a parody of

I think this is an area where The Simpsons has struggled for 20 years. In the classic era you didn't need to see the thing they were parodying to enjoy it.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: zip o lightning on January 15, 2021, 11:04:38 PM
Reading through these I'm struck by comparing This Simpsons and Viz.

Both Viz and The Simpsons have been around for over 30 years, and 30 years ago both were two of the funniest things in existence - essential viewing/reading.

Yet now, while I don't think I've bothered to watch a Simpsons episode through in about 20 years (the Behind The Laughter one is the last one I remember), I'm still laughing at each new issue of Viz. E.g., just this week we have the genius of "Professor Howard Carter and the Unstoppable Sex Machine".

Longevity is no barrier to quality, and there's no excuse for The Simpsons being so bad for so long.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Wonderful Butternut on January 15, 2021, 11:43:09 PM
We're 2 steps away from:

Homer shits into his own mouth. This is apparently hilarious.

Marge has an Onlyfans. Homer feels like a cuck, but then remembers he can shit in his own mouth which makes him happy.

Bart and Lisa die and are resurrected. Donald Trump guest stars as himself in a 2 second cameo.

The end.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on January 16, 2021, 12:36:27 AM
They'll definitely do Marge having an OnlyFans and she'll naively join up with it because she thinks only people who like you can watch you on it or something else sad and depressing.

There'll be an episode where Marge is concerned about Homer taking an hour to do a shit because he's always mildly constipated from his lousy diet, and then on a new diet he shits like clockwork but oh no now he ends up having to work more because he doesn't get an hour long shit break in the afternoon so he goes back. There's no B plot because of all the time taken up showing Homer bare-arsed on the toilet groaning and straining. People tune in because it's all over the Internet that they'll actually show a shit and then at the very end of the episode there's like a half-second of a shit disappearing down the toilet. And now you're all picturing what a shit would look like if it appeared on The Simpsons. Buzzfeed and similar websites go absolutely crazy reposting the one frame of animation that shows the shit most clearly and talking about how The Simpsons is still pushing boundaries even 31 years after its debut.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Ornlu on January 16, 2021, 08:36:38 AM
As a brief aside, have there ever been any popular animated series that throw out the idea of a 'floating timeline', and have their characters grow old as the show does?

I'd be interested to see that - especially instead of Homer & Marge having a pick-your-own backstory depending on which decade you prefer, or the South Park kids remaining in the fourth grade from 9/11 through Obama to the pandemic.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on January 16, 2021, 10:15:00 AM
Quote from: Ornlu on January 16, 2021, 08:36:38 AM
As a brief aside, have there ever been any popular animated series that throw out the idea of a 'floating timeline', and have their characters grow old as the show does?

I'd be interested to see that - especially instead of Homer & Marge having a pick-your-own backstory depending on which decade you prefer, or the South Park kids remaining in the fourth grade from 9/11 through Obama to the pandemic.
The only example I can think of is Fry's time-travel duplicate Lars, who is 12ish years older than him because he spent 12 more years than Fry living in the 21st century.

I think that's part of the problem with long-running animated family sitcoms though. To be fair, nobody could've predicted that The Simpsons would be so popular and such a money spinner that it would stay on the air for 30 years. And then when do you age up the characters? After one season or four seasons or ten seasons, and how much by? If you change the characters too much, do you risk losing the audience?
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: notjosh on January 16, 2021, 10:34:35 AM
F is for Family exists in a very specific time period and I can imagine it might age the characters up if it continues for a few more series.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JaDanketies on January 16, 2021, 10:38:44 AM
Quote from: Ornlu on January 16, 2021, 08:36:38 AM
I'd be interested to see that - especially instead of Homer & Marge having a pick-your-own backstory depending on which decade you prefer, or the South Park kids remaining in the fourth grade from 9/11 through Obama to the pandemic.

I think the South Park characters have gone up two grades since the show started. If you recall, Ms Chokesondick was their new teacher when they entered the fourth grade, and Eric Cartman even sang a song about it.

QuoteRemember how it used to be in the Third Grade?
We used to laugh and play and cherish each day in the Third Grade.
We learned wondrous things from a teacher so nice
Sat on marshmallow desks with teddy-bear smiles
The world seemed to all make sense
But that sense seems to slowly fade
After Third Grade.
In Third Grade we used to write with crayons
We would make sparkly pictures with glitter and glue
We had warm cookies and hearts full of love
And there wasn't a care in the world for me... of you...
There's not a thing in this life that I wouldn't trade just to go back, for one minute
To Third Grade.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on January 16, 2021, 11:23:53 AM
Yes, Stan turned 10 in "You're Getting Old" and started seeing and hearing everything as literal shit.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: chveik on January 16, 2021, 02:45:02 PM
Quote from: Ornlu on January 16, 2021, 08:36:38 AM
As a brief aside, have there ever been any popular animated series that throw out the idea of a 'floating timeline', and have their characters grow old as the show does?

venture bros
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: neveragain on January 16, 2021, 02:54:42 PM
King of the Hill, until the network made them stop.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Ornlu on January 16, 2021, 03:04:05 PM
Quote from: notjosh on January 16, 2021, 10:34:35 AM
F is for Family exists in a very specific time period and I can imagine it might age the characters up if it continues for a few more series.

Oh yeah, true - I read the next (fifth) series will be its last, though. (https://deadline.com/2020/10/f-is-for-family-renewed-fifth-final-season-netflix-bill-burr-vince-vaughn-1234589681/)

Quote from: JaDanketies on January 16, 2021, 10:38:44 AM
I think the South Park characters have gone up two grades since the show started. If you recall, Ms Chokesondick was their new teacher when they entered the fourth grade, and Eric Cartman even sang a song about it.

I thought they went from third to fourth grade (in 2000) and have remained there since, haven't they?

Quote from: chveik on January 16, 2021, 02:45:02 PM
venture bros

Quote from: neveragain on January 16, 2021, 02:54:42 PM
King of the Hill, until the network made them stop.

Excellent, cheers.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Marner and Me on January 16, 2021, 04:23:42 PM
Even with Archer I think Wee Baby Seamus is still a baby.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: neov1974 on January 16, 2021, 06:49:21 PM
I just saw a season 20 episode (19?) that has an Anton Shigurh character in it,so a review will likely land soon :)
but more importantly a clear cutaway "joke" where Lisa says she forgot she was playing hide and seek with Milhouse [cut to] Milhouse in a dumpster "3 weeks, gotta be some kind of record"
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 16, 2021, 07:11:08 PM
Season 20 - Episode 14 - In the Name of the Grandfather

PISS OFF HDTV FALLING OFF THE WALL. PISS OFF

The Simpsons are visiting a garden expo. Homer buys a hot tub and the family are very relaxed. They are so relaxed that they forget the father son wheelbarrow race at the Springfield Retirement Home. Grandpa destroys the hot tub. The Simpsons vow to make it up to Grandpa, so they take him to Ireland to drink in a pub he used to drink in which is the plot of the episode.

Leprechauns pilot the plane. The town is now all modern and commercialised. The bar is still there but nobody goes there anymore. Marge and the kids visit the sites. Guinness is 50% bog water and 50% chocolate syrup. Bart paints his arse grey so people kissing the Blarney Stone will kiss his arse. Homer and Grandpa get drunk and buy the pub. Homer asks Moe for help in making the pub a success. Moe suggests letting people do illegal stuff in the bar. They realise that it is illegal to smoke in Ireland so let the patrons smoke, and they become an instant success. The Irish authorities close them down and deport them. Chief Wiggum arrives to take them back but he tases and maces himself. Credits roll.

3/10
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 16, 2021, 07:33:49 PM
Season 20 - Episode 15 - Wedding for Disaster

The HDTV did not fall off the wall.

The Parson (like a Bishop, I think) is visiting Springfield and everybody is really excited for some reason. He speaks to Reverend Lovejoy and tells him his ministerial certification has lapsed, so the various ceremonies are invalid which includes Homer and Marge's marriage which is the plot of the episode.

Homer tells Marge that the next wedding will be one she deserves. Homer is really romantic and proposes to Marge again. Homer and Marge plan the wedding. Marge is controlling and won't listen to any of Homer's suggestions at all. Homer accuses Marge of being a bridezilla. On the day of the wedding everything is as Marge wants it, but Homer has gone missing. Homer is trapped in a room like off of the Saw films.

Lisa and Bart discover a keyring on the floor with the initials SB which they believe to be Sideshow Bob's. They visit Bob and he is making a bust of Krusty. Krusty confirms he was with Bob all day, so it couldn't be him. Turns out the keyring belongs to Selma Bouvier, and it is Patty and Selma that have taken Homer hostage. Homer asks for his wedding vows to be read to Marge and reads them out for his captor and they have a change of heart. Homer reunites with Marge. Lisa and Bart confront Patty and Selma and force them to pay another wedding. Credits roll.

3/10
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 16, 2021, 08:07:55 PM
Season 20 - Episode 16 - Eeny Teeny Maya Moe

They think they are so fucking smart with their little addition of will the HDTV fall off the wall or won't it. They aren't smart. It is shit. It isn't going to become some iconic thing that everybody talks about when they think of the opening. It is just shit. FUCK OFF.

Homer is watching hockey but Marge wants him to spend time with Maggie. Maggie thinks Santa's Little Helper is her father. Homer thinks Maggie is called Mugsey. Homer takes Mugsey to Moe's. They find a playground behind a newly discovered window in Moe's where a group of babies gang up on her. Moe tells a story about how he met a woman called Maya on the internet who he gets along with which is the plot of the episode.

Moe meets Maya in person and finds that she is a little person. Maya hid that she was a little person from Moe as she was worried how he would react, but he doesn't care. Their date goes really well. Moe is worried about telling the gang at the bar about her and he thinks they will treat her badly. Maggie has to fight to the death with a baby in the playground but Homer picks her up just in time. Maggie is acting really worried and Marge thinks the time Homer has been spending with Maggie is to blame. Marge buys a teddy bear with a hidden camera in it.

Maya asks Moe why he hasn't introduced her to his friends. Moe decides to have a double date with Homer and Marge as he doesn't think they would be judgemental. They go to the fair together and Moe asks Maya to marry him but screws things up by making too many short jokes. Moe asks the guys at the bar how he can win Maya back. Moe wants to get surgery to make him short. Maya convinces him not to but tells him she wants a man who doesn't define her by her height. Marge watches the CCTV video to see Homer get beaten up by a super strong baby and Maggie rescues him.

(https://i.imgur.com/HqBcmeU.jpg)

Moe is sad at the bar and Homer arrives and tells him that he found love once, so he will find love again. Credits roll.

4/10 - Some good jokes can easily elevate an episode which would usually be quite ordinary. It is quite strange that they seem to act like this is the first time they have done a Moe love story.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on January 16, 2021, 09:25:52 PM
I see Kearny's had another kid.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: PlanktonSideburns on January 17, 2021, 12:24:41 AM
Quote from: Leo2112 on January 12, 2021, 05:18:16 PM

I remember this story segment from a recent Treehouse of Horror, which was just horribly gross and unfunny:
making me want to watch these now
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: PlanktonSideburns on January 17, 2021, 12:31:11 AM
Quote from: idunnosomename on January 12, 2021, 08:26:50 PM
he said unfunny. i'm not a massive fan of that school cannibalism segment but it's not awful. for instance that's a good joke right there. the homer eating himself is just fucking bizarre and not funny at all. it's not even that gory (no blood or organs other than bits of his brain), it's just unpleasant


Really want to see this
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: dissolute ocelot on January 17, 2021, 01:57:59 PM
Quote from: Ornlu on January 16, 2021, 08:36:38 AM
As a brief aside, have there ever been any popular animated series that throw out the idea of a 'floating timeline', and have their characters grow old as the show does?
Even the Flintstones did this a bit, with the main characters having kids.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: thr0b on January 17, 2021, 08:19:39 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on January 16, 2021, 07:33:49 PM
Season 20 - Episode 15 - Wedding for Disaster

The HDTV did not fall off the wall.

The Parson (like a Bishop, I think) is visiting Springfield and everybody is really excited for some reason. He speaks to Reverend Lovejoy and tells him his ministerial certification has lapsed, so the various ceremonies are invalid which includes Homer and Marge's marriage which is the plot of the episode.


Nnngh. HE DIDN'T EVEN MARRY THEM.

(https://i.ibb.co/Kw5WN8F/8-EB4-E44-B-7-CEC-47-C2-9567-AC96-CB637084.jpg)

Their crappy marriage has been the plot of several episodes. This is just lazy.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on January 17, 2021, 08:22:50 PM
Quote from: thr0b on January 17, 2021, 08:19:39 PM

Nnngh. HE DIDN'T EVEN MARRY THEM.

(https://i.ibb.co/Kw5WN8F/8-EB4-E44-B-7-CEC-47-C2-9567-AC96-CB637084.jpg)

Their crappy marriage has been the plot of several episodes. This is just lazy.
I think Reverend Lovejoy married them the second time in the Borrow a Feeling episode, after Homer got a quickie divorce so that they could have a proper wedding.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: thr0b on January 17, 2021, 08:27:50 PM
Bah.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Master Cylinder on January 18, 2021, 02:31:29 AM
Quote from: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on January 17, 2021, 08:22:50 PM
I think Reverend Lovejoy married them the second time in the Borrow a Feeling episode, after Homer got a quickie divorce so that they could have a proper wedding.

Yeah, that's the one that's referred to.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 18, 2021, 02:51:52 AM
They do explain it in the episode too for people who aren't aware. Marge pulls out a photo album marked second wedding and they go over some pictures of it.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: dissolute ocelot on January 18, 2021, 08:36:00 AM
The whole "oh no we're not married" plot feels like something from a 1940s comedy, not from the 21st century. But still, even if there have been a lot of episodes about the Simpsons marriage, it's one of the most fertile areas of comedy. And it's also fun seeing how they introduce a lot of ridiculous detail to show Rev Lovejoy isn't a member of any actual Christian denomination because you wouldn't want to upset the Anabaptists or Evangelical Lutheran Synod. The last couple of episodes have at least been mildly amusing (it's also fun watching Moe sabotage his relationship with the short woman).
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: notjosh on January 18, 2021, 09:37:12 AM
Quote from: dissolute ocelot on January 18, 2021, 08:36:00 AM
The whole "oh no we're not married" plot feels like something from a 1940s comedy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We%27re_Not_Married!
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Bad Ambassador on January 18, 2021, 10:39:49 AM
Quote from: notjosh on January 18, 2021, 09:37:12 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We%27re_Not_Married!

I can beat that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._%26_Mrs._Smith_(1941_film)

Alfred Hitchcock's only romantic comedy.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on January 18, 2021, 10:56:21 AM
Quote from: JamesTC on January 15, 2021, 12:01:40 AM


Eventually Homer has to cross a river like that classic riddle about taking only one across at a time and not leaving one with a certain thing. Homer sees Professor Frink and tries to ask him for help but accidentally throws poison into his mouth. Homer works out the riddle but leaves Maggie on the doorstep of a convent where a nun thinks she has been left for them. The nuns will not let him have Maggie back.


what
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: gib on January 18, 2021, 11:13:49 AM
Quote from: idunnosomename on January 18, 2021, 10:56:21 AM
what

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf,_goat_and_cabbage_problem

haven't seen the episode but i guess

santa's little helper = wolf/fox

maggie & toy = goat/chicken

poison = cabbage/corn
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Billy on January 18, 2021, 11:33:29 AM
Quote from: JamesTC on January 16, 2021, 07:11:08 PM
Season 20 - Episode 14 - In the Name of the Grandfather

This is the only episode of the show to air in the UK before the US, as a kind of publicity stunt it was on Sky One five days before the Fox airing. It did ok ratings wise but didn't beat the all-time Sky record of the Ricky Gervais ep.

The opposite extreme to that is the Season 9 episode where Homer gets a gun that didn't air in the UK for years, Sky refused to show it for almost a decade and it was left to BBC2 to finally broadcast it about four years after America. Even now when Channel 4 airs it there's some significant editing including changing the ending completely so that Marge now
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throws the gun away
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instead of
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keeping it
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Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: thr0b on January 18, 2021, 11:39:23 AM
It's depressing how badly Channel 4 edit their imports. Simpsons is hacked to bits.

When they had Friends, they'd skip episodes in the daytime airings (The One With The Free Porn, for instance), or cut out scenes entirely.

Scenes, episodes and jokes which Comedy Central and Channel 5 have no issues showing in the same or earlier time slots.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on January 18, 2021, 12:35:55 PM
Quote from: gib on January 18, 2021, 11:13:49 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf,_goat_and_cabbage_problem

haven't seen the episode but i guess

santa's little helper = wolf/fox

maggie & toy = goat/chicken

poison = cabbage/corn
i love it
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/28/Animasi_untuk_musang%2C_angsa_dan_kekacang_teka_teki.png)
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: The Mollusk on January 18, 2021, 03:05:35 PM
Why does every episode title after about season 12 or 13 have to be some horrific crowbarred-in pun? It's like the writers are trying to justify their shite plots by giving the episodes what they believe to be zany and enticing titles when all it actually does is make it look like they came up with the punchline and then worked backwards. The older seasons have loads of pun titles as well but they were at least really simple word replacements which were more cute and endearing and less tenuous and cringe-inducing. Hate to sound like a miserable old cunt, especially since I'm only 33, but you really do know what you're getting with titles like "Lisa's Pony" or "Bart Gets an F" or "Mr. Plow". Episodes titles you could set your watch to.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: bigfatheart on January 18, 2021, 04:11:17 PM
Quote from: thr0b on January 18, 2021, 11:39:23 AM
It's depressing how badly Channel 4 edit their imports. Simpsons is hacked to bits.

When they had Friends, they'd skip episodes in the daytime airings (The One With The Free Porn, for instance), or cut out scenes entirely.

Scenes, episodes and jokes which Comedy Central and Channel 5 have no issues showing in the same or earlier time slots.

If you watch Mr Plow on Channel 4, Moe's is sadly no longer a pornography store.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on January 18, 2021, 09:56:18 PM
Quote from: PlanktonSideburns on January 17, 2021, 12:31:11 AM

Really want to see this
search on youtube for "homer eats himself" (the actual segment is called "Mmm, Homer"). i'd link but none of them are quite the full episode so not really worth it. but him cutting his finger off to Mario Batali cooking his head is easy to find

i mean they could've made it worse. at least he doesnt eat his own eyeballs

remember Oz??!

Spoiler alert
Glynn: The M.E has ruled McCullun's death a suicide.  He bit into his skin, chewing off chunks of muscle over the course of a week or so, causing himself to bleed out.

Sister Pete: Sweet Jesus!

Murphy: Like a cannibal.

McManus: A cannibal eats somebody else's flesh.

Murphy: So, what do you call a guy that eats his own flesh?

McManus: Inventive.
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maybe it was worth making i dunno really
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: kalowski on January 19, 2021, 06:10:33 PM
There's a series 15 episode on right now. It's fucking awful. Homer loses his job and becomes a car salesman, but he is clearly mentally ill, or had some sort of learning difficulty. He's bought an old ambulance but there are no jokes here. None at all.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on January 19, 2021, 06:23:28 PM
Quote from: kalowski on January 19, 2021, 06:10:33 PM
There's a series 15 episode on right now. It's fucking awful. Homer loses his job and becomes a car salesman, but he is clearly mentally ill, or had some sort of learning difficulty. He's bought an old ambulance but there are no jokes here. None at all.

BUYYYY MEEEEEE BUYYYY MEEEEEE BUYYYY MEEEEEE
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: kalowski on January 19, 2021, 06:25:28 PM
Quote from: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on January 19, 2021, 06:23:28 PM
BUYYYY MEEEEEE BUYYYY MEEEEEE BUYYYY MEEEEEE
That was the only good bit in the whole episode.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 19, 2021, 07:58:29 PM
Season 20 - Episode 17 - The Good, the Sad and the Drugly

Bart and Milhouse play a prank in which they remove each and ever screw in the school which leads to disaster. Milhouse gets caught but Bart doesn't. Skinner and Chalmers are suspicious that there is somebody else involved, but Milhouse keeps his mouth shut and gets suspended for a week. Glinner Kirk Van Houten is shouting at the TV again. Bart visits Grandpa at the retirement home and a young girl called Jenny is visiting her aunt at the same time and he falls in love which is the plot of the episode.

Lisa looks on the computer and finds the world is going to end in 50 years. Bart asks Jenny to go on a picnic. Lisa is a nutcase telling everybody that the world is going to end. Skinner tells Lisa to go to therapy. Bart pretends that Homer is mentally disabled to Jenny and then they go for a boat ride. The bullies are playing keep away with a duckling so Jenny asks him to rescue it. Bart is beaten up. Lisa is given happy pills. Bart invites Jenny to dinner with the family. Lisa keeps seeing smiley faces everywhere.

Milhouse visits while Jenny is over and he is angry that Bart didn't come to visit. Bart needs to keep pretending he isn't the bad boy he normally is but Milhouse wants her to find out. Lisa is off her fucking head and tries to kiss a fan that Maggie is holding up to her so Marge throws away her happy pills. Santa's Little Helper takes the happy pills. Bart reveals is only pretending to be good and also reveals he is El Barto. Jenny breaks up with him. Bart buys flowers to win her back... except they aren't for Jenny but they are actually for Milhouse. Bart and Milhouse do a big prank by turning the hallways of the school into an ice rink. Credits roll.

3/10 - Both plots have been done before and there really isn't enough changed to make this not a pathetic rehash. But a few funny bits rescue it from being a real awful episode.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 19, 2021, 08:22:54 PM
Season 20 - Episode 18 - Father Knows Worst

Couldn't believe what happened at the end of the opening titles. The HDTV fell off the wall. I'm going to have to tell everybody about this. It was so unexpected and hilarious.

Homer, Lisa and Bart are at the boardwalk. Marge is at home fitting a new water heater when she discovers a secret sauna in the basement but decides to keep it to herself. Homer accidentally eats a flaming stick and then Bart gives him lighter fluid to drink and he burns his mouth. A few weeks later he is recovered, but now he is hypersensitive to taste. Homer tries various foods but they are too powerful. Lisa suggests the school cafeteria, and he starts eating all his meals at the school. Homer meets a parent who is overprotective of her son and this convinces Homer to be a "helicopter parent" which is the plot of the episode.

Marge is really relaxed. Homer eats a jar of mayonnaise despite one minute earlier having hypersensitive taste. Homer tries to help Bart with a school project and helps Lisa with fitting in by giving her a book about being in cliques. Homer and Bart decide to build Westminster Abbey for the school project. Marge is still really relaxed. Lisa hosts a party for her clique and is popular. Bart is building the project but Homer intervenes and says he would do it despite Bart being keen to learn. Homer falls asleep while working and destroys his work. Bart's project is chosen as the winner as it is the only one that actually looks like it wasn't built by a parent, but Bart reveals the truth. Lisa hates being in the clique. Homer decides he should continue being a neglectful parent as it is for the best. Marge takes Homer to the sauna. Credits roll.

3/10
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 19, 2021, 09:27:50 PM
Season 20 - Episode 19 - Waverly Hills, 9-0-2-1-D'oh

Marge is on a power walk and drinks loads of smart water so needs the toilet. Marge goes to the toilet at the school and notices how rundown the school has become. Marge confronts Skinner. Marge decides to get a small apartment in Waverly Hills so they can send Bart and Lisa to a better school. Homer rents the crappiest apartment he can find. Homer and Marge are told they would have a surprise inspection in the next month to make sure they live in Waverly Hills. Homer agrees to live there for the duration.

Bart and Lisa start their first day at their new school. Homer meets two guys who live at the apartments. Some girls tell Lisa about a singer called Alaska Nebraska and then she gets a B+ so starts to cry. Bart gets arrested by Chief Wiggum to make him look cool and then it is revealed that Wiggum did it so Bart would go to Ralph's birthday party. Bart is now cool so he wants to help Lisa to fit in. Bart tells the school that Lisa is friends with Alaska Nebraska. Bart forgot to go to the birthday party so gets chased by the police and is forced to go.

Homer is teabagging somebody on Halo when Marge visits. Marge and Homer go to a party. Homer and Marge go back to the apartment and have sex. The teacher bribes Lisa to help her daughter see Alaska Nebraska. Lisa is told she must get her friends in school some backstage passes. Lisa sneaks into Alaska Nebraska's dressing room and begs her for the passes. Lisa is thrown out by security.

Homer and Marge bicker at the apartment like when they were first dating. The inspector visits the apartment so Homer and Marge mess everything up and throw toys around. Lisa admits she lied to her friends at school and is chased. The inspection goes well. Lisa tells Homer and Marge she wants to return to Springfield Elementary. Bart says he wants to go back because he forgot he was playing hide-and-seek with Milhouse and it cuts to Milhouse having been hiding for three weeks. Homer and Marge say they will miss their love nest. Cut to Homer and Marge snogging in the treehouse. Credits roll.

3/10
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on January 19, 2021, 10:03:46 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on January 19, 2021, 07:58:29 PM
Lisa is off her fucking head and tries to kiss a fan that Maggie is holding up to her
The funniest bit of the episode.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 19, 2021, 10:15:13 PM
Season 20 - Episode 20 - Four Great Women and a Manicure

HDTV dun fall off wall. Hehehe.

Lisa, Maggie and Marge go for a manicure. Marge tells Lisa about Queen Elisabeth I.

Queen Elizabeth I

Queen Elisabeth I is played by Selma. The Queen refuses all the men who are offered to her including the King of Spain but falls for Walter Raleigh (Homer). Walter makes out with the Queen's assistant (Marge). The Queen sentences them to death but are saved when the Spanish armada approaches. Walter accidentally burns down the boat leading the attack on the Spanish. Walter is knighted and the Queen says she doesn't need a man because she has England.

Back to the manicurists and Lisa tells the story of Snow White but replaces the dwarfs to not infringe on Disney copyright...

Snow White

Crabby (Moe), Drunky (Barney), Hungry (Homer), Greedy (Mr. Burns), Lenny, Kearney and Doctor Hibbert are singing. The Wicked Queen asks the HDTV who is the fairest and he says Snow White. Lisa is Snow White. Groundskeeper Willie goes to kill Snow White but he can't do it, so she hides with the dwarfs. The dwarfs return while singing a song about getting high on shrooms. Crabby wanted to kiss Snow White which is just creepy. Snow White is forced to eat the poison apple by an old woman who is then mauled by animals.

Lisa then explains that Snow White was brought back by a lady Doctor. Marge now tells the next story...

Lady MacBeth

Marge is herself acting in a play and Homer is playing a tree. Marge gets Homer to kill the lead Sideshow Mel and he then gets the lead. The reviews praise Doctor Hibbert's performance, so Marge insists Homer must kill him. Homer kills Doctor Hibbert with laughing gas. Everybody in the play gets better reviews than Homer, so he must now kill Barney, Duff Man, Lenny, Eddie and Lou. The ghosts blame Marge and kill her. Homer performs the play on his own and is great. Ghost Marge praises him but then tells him he must do all the other Shakespeare play, so he kills himself.

Maggie wants a story now...

Maggie Roark

Ayn Rand book retelling, so I know fuck all of the source material and I don't want to know any more.

Maggie is at daycare. The teacher wants every child to conform, so he breaks down Maggie's building block structures and all other various art projects. The parents are visiting and the teacher leads them in where Maggie has built a big Empire State Building out of building blocks. The teacher puts Maggie on trial and Maggie does some fucking speech. Oh fuck off. Maggie grows up to be an architect with a daycare centre on top. Meanwhile Maggie is painting a van Gogh on the wall and Marge scolds her. Credits roll.

2/10 - Mostly lacked any level of creativity and was just doing the story with a few jokes. The Lady MacBeth had potential and might have worked if it was longer in a Treehouse of Horror episode. The fuck are they doing with the Ayn Rand bit.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on January 20, 2021, 12:04:10 AM
Surely a reference to Ayn Rand School for Tots in Streetcar Named Marge
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: neveragain on January 20, 2021, 12:31:44 AM
Yeah, also featured again in a Pixar-ish short about Maggie escaping daycare.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Sonny_Jim on January 20, 2021, 06:08:11 AM
Quote from: thr0b on January 18, 2021, 11:39:23 AM
It's depressing how badly Channel 4 edit their imports. Simpsons is hacked to bits.
I think the most infamous example was when it was being sponsored by Dominoes and this charming scene happens (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNvqs_doNQ0), although it was pretty easy to edit around.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: notjosh on January 20, 2021, 12:55:47 PM
Struggling to get through these synopses now, at the rate they're coming and how depressed they make me.


For your own sanity, please remember that no one is forcing you to put yourself through this.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: dissolute ocelot on January 20, 2021, 02:10:04 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on January 19, 2021, 09:27:50 PM
Season 20 - Episode 19 - Waverly Hills, 9-0-2-1-D'oh

Marge is on a power walk and drinks loads of smart water so needs the toilet. Marge goes to the toilet at the school and notices how rundown the school has become. Marge confronts Skinner. Marge decides to get a small apartment in Waverly Hills so they can send Bart and Lisa to a better school. Homer rents the crappiest apartment he can find. Homer and Marge are told they would have a surprise inspection in the next month to make sure they live in Waverly Hills. Homer agrees to live there for the duration.
Well done the Simpsons for doing a parody of Beverly Hills, 90210 in 2009. The original series ran from 1990 to 2000. Despite that, this is a fairly enjoyable episode IMO for having Marge and Homer actually being nice and loving to each other, the Weezer song, and some amusing Hannah Montana disses (a show that was still on air when this episode was broadcast!!!!!).  Demerits for the lazy No Country For Old Men reference. Still overall more good bits than average for late Simpsons.

Quote from: JamesTC on January 19, 2021, 10:15:13 PM
Season 20 - Episode 20 - Four Great Women and a Manicure
I seriously believe these anthology episodes must be either a tax dodge or the result of a convoluted union deal where they can get three weeks of something for one week of something else. Nobody wants to watch these lame unfunny stories that aren't even about the Simpsons. It's like at the end of Daria when they had lots of cartoons of the main characters dressed up as different people, except Daria didn't try to animate them like some kind of primary school history pageant. EDIT: Maybe they use them to try out new writers or animators, which would make no sense because they're not even writing the Simpsons?
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: rude soil on January 20, 2021, 03:55:08 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on January 19, 2021, 08:22:54 PM
Season 20 - Episode 18 - Father Knows Worst

Bart's project is chosen as the winner as it is the only one that actually looks like it wasn't built by a parent

(https://frinkiac.com/img/S05E10/1284749.jpg)
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Jumblegraws on January 20, 2021, 04:00:01 PM
Quote from: notjosh on January 18, 2021, 09:37:12 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We%27re_Not_Married!
It was also Jack and Vera's story strand in Coronation Street: Viva Las Vegas! (https://coronationstreet.fandom.com/wiki/Coronation_Street:_Viva_Las_Vegas!)
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Marner and Me on January 20, 2021, 04:12:22 PM
Quote from: dissolute ocelot on January 20, 2021, 02:10:04 PM
Well done the Simpsons for doing a parody of Beverly Hills, 90210 in 2009. The original series ran from 1990 to 2000. Despite that, this is a fairly enjoyable episode IMO for having Marge and Homer actually being nice and loving to each other, the Weezer song, and some amusing Hannah Montana disses (a show that was still on air when this episode was broadcast!!!!!).  Demerits for the lazy No Country For Old Men reference. Still overall more good bits than average for late Simpsons.
I seriously believe these anthology episodes must be either a tax dodge or the result of a convoluted union deal where they can get three weeks of something for one week of something else. Nobody wants to watch these lame unfunny stories that aren't even about the Simpsons. It's like at the end of Daria when they had lots of cartoons of the main characters dressed up as different people, except Daria didn't try to animate them like some kind of primary school history pageant. EDIT: Maybe they use them to try out new writers or animators, which would make no sense because they're not even writing the Simpsons?
Is Daria any good? Remember watching bits of it years ago, but can't remember to much!
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: chveik on January 20, 2021, 06:00:33 PM
Quote from: Marner and Me on January 20, 2021, 04:12:22 PM
Is Daria any good? Remember watching bits of it years ago, but can't remember to much!

it has aged really well imho
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on January 20, 2021, 06:01:24 PM
Quote from: Marner and Me on January 20, 2021, 04:12:22 PM
Is Daria any good? Remember watching bits of it years ago, but can't remember to much!
A year (or maybe two? what is time anymore) ago they had all the episodes on On-Demand and I watched it all the way through because as a speccy loner in the late nineties I related to Daria very strongly. It's a bit dated now with all the huge McMansions everyone lives in but the overall cynicism about the world still holds up.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: The Mollusk on January 20, 2021, 06:05:52 PM
Yeah Daria's great. I highly recommend Ugly Americans for some slightly-more-up-to-date (i.e. only a decade old) animated cynicism in the same vein, too.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Marner and Me on January 20, 2021, 06:31:08 PM
Cheers, will take a look see what Pirate Bay has!
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 20, 2021, 10:04:28 PM
Season 20 - Episode 21 - Coming to Homerica

I worry about the episode when they need to add a ludicrously long couch gag. Particularly when it was one used only a few episodes earlier. Warming up to watch this, I watched Sideshow Bob Roberts and that cut the opening to less than 10 seconds as there was so much to fit in.

Krusty and his monkey are playing chess when an assistant comes in and tells him he has problems with some of his products. Krusty burgers are too unhealthy so Krusty suggests putting the cheapest vegetable they can find in a green wrapper.

The Simpsons are watching TV and see an advert for Krusty's new veggie burger. Homer declares they are going to Krusty burger. They eat burgers. Back home and Homer has stomach problems but all the rest of the family have taken all the bathrooms, so he throws up in Lisa's saxophone. Cut to the school and everybody is sick there too. The food poisoning is tracked to tainted barley from Ogdenville. All barley related industries close down and hundreds of Ogdenville jobless (who descend from Norwegians) flood into Springfield which is the plot of the episode.

Homer hires some Ogdenville workers to do work on his roof. Ogdenville workers have taken loads of jobs throughout the town. Marge hires a nanny called Inga from Ogdenville. Bart hurts his arm while impressing some Ogdenville kids but they can't get seen at the hospital as it is overrun by people from Ogdenville. Moe only serves Ogdenville booze now and Homer loses his job after getting drunk. At the town meeting they agree to ban immigrants from Ogdenville. The police force need help protecting the border so hire vigilantes.

Homer leads a band of shotgun wielding vigilantes on the border. They are a complete failure. Mayor Quimby decides to build a wall fence. Marge doesn't want to build a the fence but then Maggie says her "first" word which is "ya" so Marge wants it built. They build the fence and hire the Ogdenvillites to help. They finish the fence but miss them. Turns out the Ogdenvillites built a door, so they come through and have a party. Norway flag is displayed for a few seconds. Credits roll.

2/10 - Well done, you are less progressive than South Park. I think I am more annoyed that the opening few minutes up until Homer throwing up in the saxophone was really good.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 20, 2021, 10:23:19 PM
I was going to watch another episode but that was so bad that I'm watching George of the Jungle instead.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: samadriel on January 21, 2021, 01:23:40 PM
The Simpsons' writers scream about how much they hate nerds, but they're not above making a pointless nerdcore reference to a classic episode with Ogdenville. What the fuck is the point of that? It's just a distraction.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Thursday on January 21, 2021, 01:33:55 PM
I always find it weird how Seinfeld a much "hipper" show would pride itself on having so many running jokes and suddenly throwing in references to small little lines from 5 years ago. Giving the audience to credit to remember them. While Simpsons (even when it hadn't been on that long) Seemed to have this attitude of "Well we can't be expected to remember every little thing that happens in every episode you NERDS" in the face of repeated or contradictory plot premises."
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: thr0b on January 21, 2021, 03:31:38 PM
That button is in the wrong place on the shirt. It's too high.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: RHX on January 21, 2021, 05:56:02 PM
Quote from: samadriel on January 21, 2021, 01:23:40 PM
The Simpsons' writers scream about how much they hate nerds, but they're not above making a pointless nerdcore reference to a classic episode with Ogdenville. What the fuck is the point of that? It's just a distraction.

Also, it fucks up the whole plot of Marge Vs The Monorail - if Ogdenville was the next city over, surely the news of the monorail debacle would have travelled over incredibly quickly and would have put paid to that plan straight out of the blocks?
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JaDanketies on January 21, 2021, 06:25:37 PM
Shelbyville is the next town over, not Ogdenville! In classic episode Scenes of Class Struggle in Springfield, the family go to the Ogdenville outlet mall which is established as being a long drive down desert roads. (Marge buys a nice dress that lets her fit into the elite and go to a country club).
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 21, 2021, 07:59:51 PM
Saw The Simpsons trending on Twitter. Hoped it might be news that the show was ending. I'm actually open to the idea of the show ending and them just doing a movie every couple of years.

Instead it is shite like the New York Post saying "Did the Simpsons predict Kamala Harris becoming Vice President". Which of course it didn't. President Lisa had an outfit that was similar to one Kamala Harris wore yesterday.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: petril on January 21, 2021, 09:15:31 PM
the Simpsons also has 30 years of making gags about hypothetical things that would be around during those 30 years so its no surprise that there's so many coincidences
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 21, 2021, 10:53:53 PM
Not had a chance to watch any today as I am building a retro console out of a Raspberry Pi 4. Before I hit Season 21, it is time to reminisce on the anniversary year. Little did I expect that it would honour its past primarily by replaying old ideas.

Season 20: A Celebration of an Anniversary

The big year is here
I tread with fear
It has to be an improvement
The previous season was bowel movement

A season of change
The aspect ratio is strange
The HDTV falls off the wall
The number of times I laughed is bugger all

The Irish will be offended
Xenophobia was intended
Moe's new girlfriend is short
There was no Sideshow Bob plot to thwart

Lisa wants to save the bees
Homer can't pay the mortgage fees
Maggie is lost to some nuns
Norwegians are kept out with shotguns

Homer and Marge get married... again
Bart gets a girlfriend... again
A Simpson child starts popping pills... again
Bart has a doppelgänger... again

Onto Season Twenty-one
Repeated plots are something to keep an eye on
I only have one big request
Give the HDTV falling off the wall a rest
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 23, 2021, 08:55:20 PM
Season 21 - Episode 1 - Homer the Whopper

A really big issue with the previous season was that the plots were rehashed old episodes. Hopefully they have turned over a new leaf...

Bart and Milhouse go to the comic book store and mock troll Comic Book Guy. They find a comic book that Comic Book Guy was writing about himself as a hero called Everyman. Comic Book Guy self-publishes and it becomes a hit. A group of filmmakers want a new film so decide on Everyman. Comic Book Guy agrees to a film adaption but demands he can pick the star. Homer is chosen.

Homer is pressured by Hollywood execs to slim down and they get him a coach called Lyle (Seth Rogan) to help. Meta jokes about exercise montage. Skip ahead a month and Homer is fit now. Homer records the film. Lyle leaves for another project. Homer eats craft services and quickly gets fat again. Homer gets too fat to get out of his trailer.

At a test screening the execs say they have fixed the film with editing. The film cuts between Homer fat and fit in an obvious and not very funny way. The test screening goes badly.  Comic Book Guy is told by the execs that if he tells his fans that the film is great then he will be able to direct the sequel. He tells the internet that it is the WORST MOVIE EVER. Homer is in his Everyman costume on top of a mountain for some reason. Credits roll.

Remember when a Hollywood superhero film came to Springfield and hired a resident as a star (Radioactive Man)? I do.
Remember when Homer became a comic book character (I Am Furious (Yellow))? I do.
Remember when Homer got a big acting gig and it was a huge failure (Itchy & Scratchy & Poochie Show)? I do.
Remember when Homer became a superhero (Simple Simpson)? I do.
Remember when Homer got fit (King of the Hill)? I do.

2/10 - Docked a point for being the most unoriginal episode they have made. It was written by Seth Rogan and Evan Goldberg who are supposed to be big fans of the show. Maybe they missed those particular episodes.
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Post by: JamesTC on January 23, 2021, 09:23:01 PM
Season 21 - Episode 2 - Bart Gets a 'Z'

We follow Krabappel's depressing start to the day. She vows that if she can teach one child a thing then the day will have been a success. All the kids are on their mobile phones so she can't teach them anything. Krabappel takes all the phones so the kids are inspired by a drunken Homer playing with Santa's Little Helper to spike her drink and get her drunk. Krabappel gets drunk and loses her job which is the plot of the episode.

The class has a new hip young teacher called Zack who instantly gives them their phones back. Zack teaches them in a really hip way. Bart feels bad and makes an excuse to visit Krabappel who is depressed at home watching TV. Bart wants to find a way to help Krabappel but doesn't want to lose Zack. Bart and Milhouse find a self-help book and give it to Krabappel.

Krabappel opens a muffin store which she says was her wish. Bart admits he spiked her drink and she admits being a teacher was really her big wish. She tells Bart that he is "bad on the inside". Bart is really conflicted about being described as a bad person so vows to get Krabappel her job back. He was going to do the same thing to Zack but then decides to tell Skinner the truth. Skinner says he can't just get rid of a teacher who is doing a good job. Zack is then drunk anyway but it turns out he had spiked his own drink with vodka. Krabappel returns and forces every kid to eat a stale muffin. Credits roll.

3/10

Fair play, this was a really silly visual gag, but it gave me a big laugh:
(https://i.imgur.com/2lajX0Y.jpg)
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Post by: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on January 23, 2021, 10:24:43 PM
Bart Gets a Z had the makings of a good episode but then the hip popular teacher just got loaded drunk for no reason and started yelling about how much he hates children. Like why. Was Bart supposed to learn a lesson or something. Why not commit to spiking the popular teacher's drink?
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 23, 2021, 10:34:13 PM
Quote from: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on January 23, 2021, 10:24:43 PM
Bart Gets a Z had the makings of a good episode but then the hip popular teacher just got loaded drunk for no reason and started yelling about how much he hates children. Like why. Was Bart supposed to learn a lesson or something. Why not commit to spiking the popular teacher's drink?

I assumed one of the other kids (or Kabappel) had spiked his drink. Just making him a drunk is a typical modern Simpsons ending. Something convenient just happens which ends the episode quickly. They can't even use the excuse that the episodes are shorter than they used to be because they have made the opening titles longer, rarely use a shortened version and often use a longer couch gag.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: C_Larence on January 23, 2021, 11:21:52 PM
I wonder what's the furthest into a review you'll be able to put "which is the plot of the episode".
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 23, 2021, 11:24:13 PM
I'm hoping at least 10 minutes in.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: buttgammon on January 24, 2021, 10:11:48 AM
Thanks for enduring these, James. I'm enjoying your write-ups, even though I feel bad for the fact that you're torturing yourself by watching this shite.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: sevendaughters on January 24, 2021, 10:53:16 AM
on +1 but I think the two Daria films (basically feature length episodes) are successful and basically keep the low-key vibe of the show instead of trying to Alpha Papa it.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: sutin on January 24, 2021, 09:13:33 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on January 21, 2021, 07:59:51 PM
I'm actually open to the idea of the show ending and them just doing a movie every couple of years.

I'm open to the idea of the show ending and them doing nothing again ever, ASAP.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: sutin on January 24, 2021, 09:15:52 PM
Quote from: sevendaughters on January 24, 2021, 10:53:16 AM
on +1 but I think the two Daria films (basically feature length episodes) are successful and basically keep the low-key vibe of the show instead of trying to Alpha Papa it.

Alpha Papa is low key though. It could literally be the plot of an IAP episode.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 24, 2021, 09:21:54 PM
I watched Two Bad Neighbours earlier in the week and I have been saying "Yoo-hoo. It's your sons, George Bush, Jr. and Jeb Bush." to myself since.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: St_Eddie on January 25, 2021, 02:47:27 AM
Quote from: sutin on January 24, 2021, 09:15:52 PM
Alpha Papa is low key though. It could literally be the plot of an IAP episode.

Nah.  It's a typical movie plot; gotta go big.  Gotta raise the stakes.  Gotta be a siege where Alan saves the day.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: sutin on January 25, 2021, 10:58:02 AM
Quote from: St_Eddie on January 25, 2021, 02:47:27 AM
Nah.  It's a typical movie plot; gotta go big.  Gotta raise the stakes.  Gotta be a siege where Alan saves the day.

I disagree. The siege plot is far from overblown. It's not like Alan's being held hostage by international terrorists or sutin. Sure, it's a typical movie plot but it's done in a low key way.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: dissolute ocelot on January 25, 2021, 11:04:44 AM
Quote from: JamesTC on January 23, 2021, 09:23:01 PM
Season 21 - Episode 2 - Bart Gets a 'Z'
The class has a new hip young teacher called Zack who instantly gives them their phones back. Zack teaches them in a really hip way. Bart feels bad and makes an excuse to visit Krabappel who is depressed at home watching TV. Bart wants to find a way to help Krabappel but doesn't want to lose Zack. Bart and Milhouse find a self-help book and give it to Krabappel.
Another one that starts ok and has some sort of decent gags, before falling utterly flat. The substitute is initially quite funny with his being cool and overly familiar: it's amusing to subvert the idea of the cool rebellious teacher (whether you're Lee and Herring or My So-Called Life). And it's generally nice seeing Bart and Edna interact, even if this is much weaker than the classics (we're pretty much at the level where Homer shouting "I am gay" is cleverer than anything the writers could come up with.) But it seems while Simpsons writers can toss out the occasional joke, nobody can actually write stories. Even if he was sacked for being a terrible teacher, which would require no imagination, it would still make some kind of sense in comparison with what we get.

So many terrible episodes about new teachers. At the weekend C4 had one where Willem Dafoe plays a mean teacher who shouts at the kids. There's the one where Lisa gets a new teacher who doesn't like her, which is an interesting idea that doesn't go anywhere (teacher hates her
Spoiler alert
because she's blonde
[close]
).
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 25, 2021, 11:15:37 AM
I assume they've introduce a new character to replace Krabappel? Either that or just put Gill in her place.

An opportunity to do something interesting, albeit in tough circumstances. I can't wait to see how they squander it.

NEW PAGE THAT'S A PADDLIN'
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: thr0b on January 25, 2021, 12:15:15 PM
They made Flanders the new teacher.

Because she was his wife. Or something.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 25, 2021, 12:31:04 PM
I... wait, what?
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: thr0b on January 25, 2021, 01:43:29 PM
QuoteFull name   Nedward Flanders Jr.
Gender   Male
Occupation   Pharmaceutical company clerk (former, until he opened the Leftorium), owner of the Leftorium (former, until it closed), fourth grade teacher at Springfield Elementary School
Family   Mona Flanders (mother)
Nedward Flanders, Sr. (father)
Spouse   Ginger (annulled)
Maude Flanders (deceased)
Edna Krabappel (deceased)
Children   Rod Flanders
Todd Flanders
Religion   Evangelical Christian

As far as I can see, his one-note parents are now semi-regulars as well. And are friends with Homer, natch.
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Post by: Ferris on January 25, 2021, 02:34:16 PM
Quote from: thr0b on January 25, 2021, 01:43:29 PM
As far as I can see, his one-note parents are now semi-regulars as well. And are friends with Homer, natch.

The beatniks?!
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: thr0b on January 25, 2021, 02:57:57 PM
Yep. Slightly re-designed in the current soulless style.

https://simpsons.fandom.com/wiki/Nedward_Flanders,_Sr.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Jumblegraws on January 25, 2021, 03:09:20 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on January 24, 2021, 09:21:54 PM
I watched Two Bad Neighbours earlier in the week and I have been saying "Yoo-hoo. It's your sons, George Bush, Jr. and Jeb Bush." to myself since.
I read somewhere that naming one of the "sons" George Bush Jr. was supposed to be part of the joke that it was an obvious ruse and that the writers didn't actually know about Dubya. Not sure I believe it.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Mr Trumpet on January 25, 2021, 10:59:33 PM
Quote from: thr0b on January 25, 2021, 02:57:57 PM
Yep. Slightly re-designed in the current soulless style.

https://simpsons.fandom.com/wiki/Nedward_Flanders,_Sr.

Looks like Rolf Harris
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Leo2112 on January 26, 2021, 12:09:00 AM
This sort of tech means they can keep the show trundling on forever without worrying about the voice actors dying off

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fdsomv-dYAc
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 26, 2021, 12:15:37 AM
The year is 2094. The Simpsons has gone into its 105th season. It is the 60th to be entirely AI voiced and the 55th to be entirely written by AI writers. Critics say the latest season is "a real return to form".
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Billy on January 26, 2021, 12:28:37 AM
Produced by AI Jean.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 26, 2021, 12:32:13 AM
Tremendous.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: machotrouts on January 26, 2021, 01:15:23 AM
The Simpsons episode where Ned Flanders is revealed to be 60 years old was 22 years ago. Ned Flanders should now be 82 years old.

If you infer from the perpetual time-freeze that Ned Flanders was actually supposed to be 60 from the beginning of the show, then Ned Flanders should now be 92 years old.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: The Mollusk on January 26, 2021, 08:48:30 AM
Quote from: Leo2112 on January 26, 2021, 12:09:00 AM
This sort of tech means they can keep the show trundling on forever without worrying about the voice actors dying off

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fdsomv-dYAc

This one is excellent:

Joe Biden Ties an Onion on His Belt (https://youtu.be/hqdnfjNBBB8)
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Sonny_Jim on January 26, 2021, 10:17:56 AM
I'm always slightly dubious about these 'AI generated X' thingys.  I mean, what's easier?  Spending ages training an AI voice to sound almost exactly like a human impersonator of Homer Simpson?  Or just hire an impersonator and say it was an AI voice?

EDIT:  From their Youtube channel:
Quote
The AI model was custom developed and is not commercially available.
Uhuh.  How about you name some of the researchers or provide any information at all rather than just 'we fed AI, it pooped this'.
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Post by: samadriel on January 27, 2021, 05:42:27 AM
Edit bug
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: dissolute ocelot on January 27, 2021, 09:08:18 AM
Quote from: Sonny_Jim on January 26, 2021, 10:17:56 AM
I'm always slightly dubious about these 'AI generated X' thingys.  I mean, what's easier?  Spending ages training an AI voice to sound almost exactly like a human impersonator of Homer Simpson?  Or just hire an impersonator and say it was an AI voice?

EDIT:  From their Youtube channel:Uhuh.  How about you name some of the researchers or provide any information at all rather than just 'we fed AI, it pooped this'.

This company claims to be able to produce an artificial voice based on any speech samples you upload. There is a Homer sample if you scroll down, but it all sounds a bit crappier than the other examples posted above: https://www.resemble.ai/

Conceptually it's pretty simple to break speech up and reassemble it again into any combination of speech sounds, the problem is that the voice won't have any interesting inflections or humorous pauses or anything else that makes people like Dan Castellaneta funny. (Which is why it works so well for Biden/Abe Simpsons.)
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 27, 2021, 09:51:28 PM
Season 21 - Episode 3 - The Great Wife Hope

They are repeating a really long couch gag which means the episode came in seriously under time. A common occurrence at the moment.

Marge is playing a game she invented called crazy bowling with some of her friends. They realise no men are at the bowling alley. Turns out all the men are at some UFC fight or something. Homer has taken Bart because they are men and all the men are at the fighting as previously established. The kids at school are now fighting. Marge arrives to pick up Lisa and Bart only to see Bart beating up Nelson. Marge protests "I'm glad your father isn't here to see this" and we cut to Homer in the crowd shouting "kill kill kill", I laughed. Marge vows to stop the fighting which is the plot of the episode.

Marge shows all her lady friends some fighting and they are all horrified because women don't like fighting because it is a man thing. Marge and her friends are protesting the fights. Marge gets a ticket from a scalper to get in and goes into the centre of the ring to protest. The owner of the fighting vows to shut down the entire sport if she fights him in the ring, so she agrees to the fight.

Marge gets in shape for the fight with rhythmic gymnastics. Homer gets Carl to arrange some training for Marge with Drederick Tatum. This is followed by judo training from Akira, wrestling training from Mr Burns and bullying training from the three bullies. Lisa urges Marge to back out. Homer arrives dressed up as Marge but Lisa insists this plan won't work.

The fight starts and Marge is knocked to the ground with the first punch. Bart enters the ring to protect her but is about to get hit, so Marge gets up and beats the owner. Marge takes the microphone and talks about her dark side or something, but I don't really see what sort of resolution or what the lesson is supposed to be. Homer and Marge go to have sex. Lisa knocks Bart out in the ring. Credits roll.

3/10

I have never had any interest in fighting and I have a penis and everything.
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Post by: JamesTC on January 27, 2021, 10:15:52 PM
Season 21 - Episode 4 - Treehouse of Horror XX

The twentieth Treehouse of Horror. They have to have something special lined up for this...

The opening gag is okay. Some classic monsters go to Homer's Halloween party and get off with some women but then all the various female equivalents turn up to berate them.

Dial "M" for Murder or Press "#" to Return to Main Menu

This section is all in Black & White like off of Hitchcock. Ms Hoover picks another student over Lisa for something, so she is disruptive and gets detention. Lisa talks to Bart at detention, and they agree to each get revenge on the other's teacher. Bart murders Ms Hoover but Lisa didn't realise that was what they agreed to do. Lisa doesn't want to murder Mrs. Krabappel so Bart blackmails her which leads to Lisa trying to kill Bart. Lisa accidentally murders Bart. Mrs Krabappel is happy.

4/10

Don't Have a Cow, Mankind

A new Krusty burger turns everybody into zombies, so The Simpsons border up the house. Bart breaks out to eat a burger and he survives which means he has the cure for humanity. The house is overrun by zombies so Apu saves them in an armoured car. They need to get Bart to the safe zone. They get caught on the way and Apu is killed. Homer is bitten by Mr Burns because he was messing about with his corpse. They arrive at the safe zone. Cut to everything back to normal and all they had to do was let Bart bathe in their food.

3/10

There's No Business Like Moe Business

Parody of Sweeney Todd. The whole thing is done like it is a stageplay. Homer is impaled in Moe's basement and the blood drips into the beer. The beer tastes amazing now. Moe tells Marge that Homer has left her and writes a letter from him saying he is gay. Homer does a big musical about how he is gay and wants to fuck a load of men. Moe woos Midge. Homer didn't die so comes up from the basement with the beer barrel attached to him and attacks Moe and gets back together with Marge. Kang and Kodos are in the audience. Credits roll.

3/10
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 28, 2021, 08:12:17 PM
I'm watching Mary Poppins for the first time ever. Complete rip-off of that Simpsons episode.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 28, 2021, 09:25:49 PM
MIGHT I ADD, NO FAT CHICKS
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: dissolute ocelot on January 28, 2021, 10:10:43 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on January 27, 2021, 09:51:28 PM
Season 21 - Episode 3 - The Great Wife Hope

They are repeating a really long couch gag which means the episode came in seriously under time. A common occurrence at the moment.

Marge is playing a game she invented called crazy bowling with some of her friends. They realise no men are at the bowling alley. Turns out all the men are at some UFC fight or something. Homer has taken Bart because they are men and all the men are at the fighting as previously established.

UFC is one of those things which are far funnier in real life than in any fictional representation.[nb]This episode is possibly better than when Jon Favreau did UFC in Friends, but it's on a par with iCarly's UFC special.[/nb] This episode is also a classic example of where the Simpsons writers go "ha, that's a popular thing with the kids, there must be some laughs in that", but utterly fail to construct a plot or any jokes. Compare to The Homer They Fall (series 8), where Homer is a boxer - it is silly but still has some good jokes about boxing, and Moe gets a nice redemptive ending too. Sigh, remember when the Simpsons inspired emotion?
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Post by: JamesTC on January 28, 2021, 10:35:47 PM
I had to pause Mary Poppins. Back watching and I am 90 minutes in. There is nearly an hour left. Fucking hell this is dreary. Feel like shit, just want Homer to do a funny.

EDIT: The bank man just said "fat birds" which is close enough to "fat chicks" to entertain me for a few minutes.

Quote from: dissolute ocelot on January 28, 2021, 10:10:43 PM
UFC is one of those things which are far funnier in real life than in any fictional representation.[nb]This episode is possibly better than when Jon Favreau did UFC in Friends, but it's on a par with iCarly's UFC special.[/nb] This episode is also a classic example of where the Simpsons writers go "ha, that's a popular thing with the kids, there must be some laughs in that", but utterly fail to construct a plot or any jokes. Compare to The Homer They Fall (series 8), where Homer is a boxer - it is silly but still has some good jokes about boxing, and Moe gets a nice redemptive ending too. Sigh, remember when the Simpsons inspired emotion?

I feel like there was no actual interest in fighting from the episode. It is all just a mechanism to have Marge take a stand and try to shut it down. Like she did with Itchy and Scratchy in a much better episode. She didn't get punched in the fucking face in that one.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: dissolute ocelot on January 29, 2021, 10:15:31 AM
Quote from: JamesTC on January 28, 2021, 10:35:47 PM
I feel like there was no actual interest in fighting from the episode. It is all just a mechanism to have Marge take a stand and try to shut it down. Like she did with Itchy and Scratchy in a much better episode. She didn't get punched in the fucking face in that one.
The writers of the boxing episode reportedly watched a lot of boxing movies to get all the cliches, and there were parodies of specific people like Mike Tyson, Don King, etc, who were colourful figures with clear public personas. Maybe I don't know as much about UFC, but it certainly seemed like there wasn't much interest from the writers, or much specificity in the jokes. It was all very reminiscent of Marge's (or Helen Lovejoy's) other moral crusades, which are always a bit cringy (the writers never make them other than ridiculous).
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: amateur on January 29, 2021, 11:28:49 AM
Quote from: dissolute ocelot on January 28, 2021, 10:10:43 PMCompare to The Homer They Fall (series 8), where Homer is a boxer - it is silly but still has some good jokes about boxing, and Moe gets a nice redemptive ending too.

What I wouldn't give for dialogue as good as this nowdays:

QuoteInterviewer #2: Drederick, ah, what do you think of Homer Simpson?
Drederick Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
Interviewer #3: Uh, you know, they do have a mother, Champ?
Drederick Tatum: Yes, but I would imagine that she would die of grief.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Pink Gregory on January 29, 2021, 03:25:47 PM
"I was Kid Gorgeous, then I was Kid Presentable, then Kid Gruesome, and then finally, Kid Moe."
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: bgmnts on January 29, 2021, 10:13:03 PM
Now THIS is special:

https://youtu.be/39t7TQ2mymA
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: darby o chill on January 30, 2021, 02:02:35 AM
^ Was dipping in and out of that doing other stuff, surprised he described 'Bart Carny' as 'just another boring episode.' Does everybody hate it or something? Not a classic but plenty of good bits. Cooder 'look at me I'm a millionaire', Homer's novelty comb.

(https://i.imgur.com/T44P0HD.gif)
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on January 30, 2021, 02:43:40 AM
flipped to the end cant believe his top episode. i hate it
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: neveragain on January 30, 2021, 02:53:10 AM
He isn't ranking them, he's going through in episode order.
Or so it seems from the bits I've skipped around.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Andy147 on January 30, 2021, 10:06:56 AM
It's both - he goes through them in episode order, then ranks them all at the end.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: C_Larence on January 30, 2021, 02:47:29 PM
I felt like he was already running out of things to say halfway through season 2. It very quickly became not much more than "this one is good, this one is not as good, hope the next one is better, luckily this one was better" so I skipped to the end too. He didn't put my favourite episode as number 1 so I hate him with my life.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on January 30, 2021, 03:00:51 PM
I'm amazed you could put such a mean-spirited meta joke as the best. I mean it's not terrible by any means, but it begins the trait of obnoxious jerkass homer rather than identifiable boob homer.

begins. not saying homer isn't well-meaning sometimes in the episode. but it's the whole "fuck you audience you think homer is a good person when he's a stupid cunt" vibe that's just uncomfortable.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Blumf on January 30, 2021, 03:54:14 PM
Is binge watching the entirety of The Simpsons becoming a kind of pilgrimage? A hajj for disciples of late 20th century mass media.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 30, 2021, 04:23:32 PM
Homer's Enemy is a worthy favourite episode even if I wouldn't put it in my Top 5. It is some of the earlier choices I'd be dubious of.

I'm ranking each episode as I go along so in theory this wouldn't be difficult for me to do at the end. I'm not going to though.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 30, 2021, 08:09:05 PM
Season 21 - Episode 5 - The Devil Wears Nada

Homer, Lenny and Carl's supervisor retires and Carl gets the job (with an Italian Job parody cutaway gag thrown in for some reason). Marge is having a meeting with her friends about fundraisers. They suggest a sexy calendar based on history. Marge is liquored up into showing extra skin. Every month of the calendar is Marge. All the men are ogling at her pictures. Carl makes Homer his executive assistant. Marge is now happy about being ogled. Homer is too tired to have sex with Marge. Marge gets her tits out for Homer, but he can only see Carl's face.

Homer and Marge go on a trip but Carl interrupts with news that he is going to France so Homer needs to arrange all the trip. As Homer is leaving, Marge throws a mallet in anger and clocks Flanders in the fucking head and he hits the ground bleeding. Flanders is okay but Marge feels bad so invites him for dinner.

Homer and Carl are in France at the conference. Homer does a sensual dance. Carl wants to extend the stay indefinitely, but Homer is sad because he wants to get back home to Marge. Homer starts to see Marge everywhere. Flanders arrives for the dinner and helps cook. Marge gets aroused by Flanders and nearly kisses him. Carl wants Homer to get rid of a moth but Homer has gone back to Springfield. Homer leaves his phone and a terrorist picks it up to get nuclear secrets. Marge and Flanders nearly kiss again so Flanders leaves. Homer returns and has sex with Marge. Credits roll.

2/10

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Post by: chveik on January 30, 2021, 08:31:25 PM
good god
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Post by: JamesTC on January 30, 2021, 08:33:32 PM
Season 21 - Episode 6 - Pranks and Greens

Only just starting to notice the amount of references to old episodes in the opening titles. Things like Mr Sparkle and Tomacco juice amongst the shopping.

Milhouse and Bart are arranging pranks. Montage of pranks. Bart destroys Skinner's car so gets detention. Skinner mentions a kid who was worse than Bart. Bart wants to find out about this mysterious prankster. Marge has loads of mothers with their babies around for a playdate. The mothers scold Marge for not having healthy food and remove her from "snack rotation". Bart investigates past school newspapers to find the prankster which leads him to Groundskeeper Willie who tells him about a huge prank which changed Skinner forever. The old pool was filled with worms and Skinner went diving without realising and became trapped which turned him into the hardened teacher he is today. Willie then tells Bart that the prankster is called Andy Hamilton.

Marge is burning all unhealthy foods. Bart tracks down Andy Hamilton. Andy tells him about his old pranks. Bart tells Lisa about him (how he lives with his mother and reminisces about old times) and Lisa tells Bart that he is a loser. Marge goes to a health food store and everything costs loads of money and goes off straight away. Bart convinces Andy that is a loser so gets him a job with Krusty. Andy fails at the job. Marge fails at making healthy food because she used a non-stick pan and all the mothers take their babies to an ambulance.

Bart gets Andy the job back. Homer returns home late from overtime to pay for healthy food to find Marge eating Homer's stash of unhealthy food, so they eat unhealthy food in bed. Bart goes to visit Andy but sees worms getting delivered so believes that Andy is playing a prank. Krusty is about to dive in but Bart rescues him only to find that it was a bit. Andy is Krusty's new head writer. Credits roll.

3/10
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 30, 2021, 08:57:13 PM
Season 21 - Episode 7 - Rednecks and Broomsticks

The Simpsons are trapped in traffic following a ski weekend. Lisa and Bart play Bop-It repeatedly which leads to Homer crashing the car just outside Springfield. The family are rescued by the Cletus family. Cletus shows Homer his moonshine making apparatus and his friends. Bart plays with grenades with some of the Cletus kids. Lisa gets lost in the forest playing hide-and-seek and finds some girls who are into witchcraft. Lisa is worried about an art project due the following day and is told by the wiccans that she could use a spell to get out of it. Homer finds Lisa.

Lisa is late for the art project, but it turns out that Ms Hoover got a spell of stomach illness. Homer takes Lenny and Carl to the moonshine club. Lisa confronts the wiccans thinking they did a spell. Lisa is asked to join the wiccans. She asks for time to join. Lisa does research on the internet about wiccans. Flanders sees Lisa through the window and calls for an expert on witchcraft on speed dial. At a moonshine festival they hear sirens and knock all the moonshine off a cliff. Lisa is joining the wiccans but Chief Wiggum arrives and arrests them.

The wiccans are put on trial. They seemingly blind half the town with a curse. Cutaway gag to a goat on a boat for some reason. The wiccans get off on the trial but the town decide to take matters into their own hands and form a mob. Lisa reveals it was the moonshine in the town's water that blinded half the town. The wiccans thank Lisa. Lisa does some ice skating. Credits roll.

3/10 - Such a nothing episode.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 30, 2021, 09:21:38 PM
Season 21 - Episode 8 - O Brother, Where Bart Thou?

The family are stuck at home due to a snow blizzard. The power cuts out. Bart is bored so agrees to play with Lisa and Maggie. Lisa makes Bart feel bad about how she has a sister to play with, but Bart doesn't have a brother. Bart has a dream about loads of people who have brothers. Bart now wants a brother which is the plot of the episode.

Bart asks Homer for a baby brother. South Park parody for no reason. Bart tries to get Marge and Homer to have another child by cooking them a meal, but they end up being too full to have sex. Milhouse gives Bart a DVD of Kama Sutra and Bart leaves it for Marge and Homer, but they fail at it and get injured. Bart is convinced by the three bullies to get rid of Marge's birth control pills, so he replaces them with Tic-Tacs. Marge catches Bart and explains she could have another girl. Sex and the City parody as Bart imagines three grown-up sisters. Nelson picks up the Tic-Tacs that Bart threw out the window with the birth control pills in.

Bart tries to get a brother from the orphanage, but they throw him out. An orphan called Charlie follows Bart home. Bart introduces him to Homer as his new best friend but everybody else as his new brother. Nelson is really emotional because of the birth control pills he has been taking. Lisa finds out and tells Bart to take Charlie back. Bart instead takes Charlie to see Sever V at the cinema and Charlie is scared. Chief Wiggum is looking for Charlie. Bart and Charlie manage to get away from Chief Wiggum. Lisa finds them and convinces Bart to take Charlie back. Remember Plow King? Well he is here. Charlie is returned to the orphanage and gets adopted by a family with 7 girls. Homer takes Bart to see Sever V. Credits roll.

3/10
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: dissolute ocelot on January 30, 2021, 09:31:23 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on January 30, 2021, 08:57:13 PM
Season 21 - Episode 7 - Rednecks and Broomsticks
Is this the only Simpsons in the last 20 years where the A and B plots actually come together in a mildly clever way? (Everyone is blinded by the moonshine which they blame on Lisa's witches) Shame it's otherwise a bit of a nothing episode, with very boring Wiccans and half-assed redneck jokes. I don't know if it deserves +1 or -1 for featuring Season of the Witch for no good reason at the end.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 30, 2021, 09:49:04 PM
Thought I would watch something more cheery after that mini-marathon, so I am watching Schindler's List for the first time.

I was laughing to myself as I started imagining a tone-deaf parody that modern Simpsons would do, but then I remembered they did send Goofy to the gas chambers last season.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: neveragain on January 30, 2021, 10:09:24 PM
Am I the only one to find it amusing (in fact, more amusing than the episode) that Bart's rival pranker is called Andy Hamilton? Wish it was the short writer of Outnumbered and ...Dead Donkey.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on January 30, 2021, 10:13:18 PM
Quote from: neveragain on January 30, 2021, 10:09:24 PM
Am I the only one to find it amusing (in fact, more amusing than the episode) that Bart's rival pranker is called Andy Hamilton? Wish it was the short writer of Outnumbered and ...Dead Donkey.

I nearly referenced it by writing "as Satan" after his name was first mentioned but thought it might be a bit obscure.

Old Harry's Game would make a good animated show actually.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: sheddyian on January 31, 2021, 11:49:32 AM
Quote from: JamesTC on January 30, 2021, 10:13:18 PM
I nearly referenced it by writing "as Satan" after his name was first mentioned but thought it might be a bit obscure.

Old Harry's Game would make a good animated show actually.

Andy Hamilton did voiceover for "Hell's usher" in one episode of Pratchett & Gaimans "Good Omens" (2019), a hell based fact that delighted me but I've not seen anyone else comment on. Although I've not looked much.

Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: madhair60 on January 31, 2021, 11:57:12 AM
Quote from: JamesTC on January 30, 2021, 10:13:18 PM
Old Harry's Game would make a good animated show actually.

Didn't this actually exist? (Googles)

https://vimeo.com/31443366
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: DrGreggles on January 31, 2021, 12:50:46 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on January 30, 2021, 04:23:32 PM
Homer's Enemy is a worthy favourite episode even if I wouldn't put it in my Top 5. It is some of the earlier choices I'd be dubious of.

I'm ranking each episode as I go along so in theory this wouldn't be difficult for me to do at the end. I'm not going to though.

I think Homer's Enemy might be the last classic episode.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: McChesney Duntz on January 31, 2021, 07:32:37 PM
Quote from: dissolute ocelot on January 30, 2021, 09:31:23 PM
I don't know if it deserves +1 or -1 for featuring Season of the Witch for no good reason at the end.

If Lisa's ice-skating while it's playing, then it's a To Die For reference, which... okay.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: dissolute ocelot on February 02, 2021, 10:23:07 AM
Quote from: McChesney Duntz on January 31, 2021, 07:32:37 PM
If Lisa's ice-skating while it's playing, then it's a To Die For reference, which... okay.
Yes she was skating, I didn't know that reference, I thought it was just random fun, so I'll dock it a point.

I was watching Simpsons on Channel 4 the other day, and there was an episode from 2015 where Springfield discovered their town anthem was plagiarised and held a competition to write a new one and Lisa and Bart teamed up to write a song that was a dead-on parody of over-clever off-Broadway musical songwriting. All very funny and nice and offbeat, with callbacks to the time Bart wrote a song for Lisa's birthday and other times they teamed up. But then like a nightmare, after 5 minutes it turned into a horrible story parodying the fat acceptance movement. Simpsons all over, can't be good for more time than you can hold your breath for. ("Walking Big & Tall")
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: neov1974 on February 04, 2021, 11:42:34 PM
need to show support to this thread, keep it going!
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on February 04, 2021, 11:50:27 PM
Quote from: neov1974 on February 04, 2021, 11:42:34 PM
need to show support to this thread, keep it going!

Oh okay. I'll watch another episode now.

I've been a bit busy trying to watch through all the films I have in my Watchlist on Disney+. I guess the only fall from grace that can match Classic Simpsons to Modern Simpsons is James Cameron going from making the two greatest films of all time (The Terminator and Terminator 2) to making the walking 80s/90s cliché that is Avatar.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on February 04, 2021, 11:54:16 PM
Caught the tail end of a season 17 episode where the power plant outsources work to India and Homer goes out there to oversee it. The Indians worship him because he tells them about all the great perks they're entitled to like coffee breaks and mental health days. Lisa congratulates Homer with "You're the first man to ever outsource the American worker's sense of entitlement and privilege". And I'm thinking, that fucking aged well didn't it.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on February 05, 2021, 12:25:11 AM
Season 21 - Episode 9 - Thursdays with Abie

The family are visiting a water park along with Grandpa. Grandpa is complaining about everything. The family are watching an octopus. Grandpa is left outside and starts telling a journalist called Marshall a farcical tale about how he rescued his WWII buddies from sharks. Marshall wants to know more anecdotes so he can publish them which is the plot of the episode.

Bart has to take care of a stuffed lamb over the weekend for school. Grandpa's stories are really popular in the newspapers. He continues to weave crazy tales such as how he gave Clark Gable a shoe shine and inspired him to make Gone with the Wind. Bart is playing with Santa's Little Helper with the stuffed lamb, so Lisa takes it off him. Lisa proceeds to lose the lamb down a drain. Homer is annoyed that Grandpa never told him any of the stories being published, but Marge points out that he did all the time.

Homer visits Grandpa but Grandpa turns him away. Nelson is really excited to see the lamb again and says it kept him sane. Homer searches for a surrogate father to replace Grandpa so goes to Mr Burns. Mr Burns enjoys their time together so only releases a single hound. Bart goes down the drain to recover the lamb. Homer goes to the newspaper to submit an article with some of Burns' stories but finds plans for an article on Grandpa's death and realises Marshall is planning on killing Grandpa.

Marshall takes Grandpa on a train. Bart escapes sewer rats but then encounters sewer cats. Bart gets out but the lamb is destroyed. Homer manages to catch up to the train but is held up at gunpoint. Grandpa manages to pull the brakes on the train in order to knock Marshall over. Cut back to the family at home and Grandpa is telling the family the story but then says Homer can tell it instead. Homer rambles on a load of nonsense right through the credits. There is no resolution to the lamb story, turns out the whole Nelson stuff was completely meaningless.

3/10
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on February 05, 2021, 12:27:48 AM
Quote from: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on February 04, 2021, 11:54:16 PM
Caught the tail end of a season 17 episode where the power plant outsources work to India and Homer goes out there to oversee it. The Indians worship him because he tells them about all the great perks they're entitled to like coffee breaks and mental health days. Lisa congratulates Homer with "You're the first man to ever outsource the American worker's sense of entitlement and privilege". And I'm thinking, that fucking aged well didn't it.

Is it just me, or does it seem like Season 11-20 has aged worse than the first 10?

I guess it is that arrogance of the naughties that the likes of Little Britain really exemplify. The idea that we were in a more equal time, so all humour was open for exploitation.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Blumf on February 05, 2021, 01:27:24 AM
Quote from: JamesTC on February 05, 2021, 12:25:11 AM
...There is no resolution to the lamb story, turns out the whole Nelson stuff was completely meaningless.

Fuck, yeah, I don't think they even acknowledged it, like they did with the end of the Lord of the Flies episode (Das Bus). It was just such a nothing B-plot, and paired with a shrug of an A-plot.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Pink Gregory on February 05, 2021, 05:36:29 AM
Quote from: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on February 04, 2021, 11:54:16 PM
Caught the tail end of a season 17 episode where the power plant outsources work to India and Homer goes out there to oversee it. The Indians worship him because he tells them about all the great perks they're entitled to like coffee breaks and mental health days. Lisa congratulates Homer with "You're the first man to ever outsource the American worker's sense of entitlement and privilege". And I'm thinking, that fucking aged well didn't it.

Fuckin cheek of mediocre hack comedy writers to be shitty about workers having rights.

Anyway, an exchange from that episode I remember enjoying.

"shhh, Smithers!  I'm floating down the Ganges!"
"Those are corpses!"
"You never liked my friends..."
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Pink Gregory on February 05, 2021, 05:39:45 AM
Remember how the one-off characters used to be somewhat memorable? 
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Marner and Me on February 05, 2021, 04:58:36 PM
Have these episodes had a 'celeb' cameo every episode like a lot of them had at one point?
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: thr0b on February 05, 2021, 05:02:12 PM
Not so much these days. And at least when they do, the celeb is often playing a role, rather than a walk on to say their name and do their catchphrase or whatever.

(Though I did like that Ron Howard did a few episodes as himself, as an acquaintance of Homer. That was nice use of a celeb being themselves.)
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on February 05, 2021, 07:41:48 PM
Season 21 - Episode 10 - Once Upon a Time in Springfield

By the way, they have either stopped the TV falling off the wall or they have massively reduced the frequency it happens. I am pleased.

The family are watching the Krusty the Clown show. Cut to the set of Krusty and the executives want Krusty to have a new female co-star which is the plot of the episode.

Marge is using a donut making machine but Homer is unbothered as the break room in work gets free donuts. Homer gets to the break room but finds Mr Burns has cut costs by getting rid of the free donuts. Krusty's new co-star is called Princess Penelope and is an instant success with the girls in the audience but turns away the boys. Homer is complaining about no donuts at Moe's and a headhunter offers him, Lenny and Carl an opportunity. Krusty's audience is now full of girls. Krusty is now a washed up sidekick. Krusty vows to make a comeback.

Homer, Lenny and Carl take a tour at Capital City Nuclear. Krusty bursts into Princess Penelope's dressing room, but she tells him she loves him and has been a fan since she was a young girl. Krusty and Penelope start a relationship and the show becomes all romantic. Smithers sees Lenny, Carl and Homer getting massages and eating sushi at Capital City Nuclear so informs Mr Burns. The lovey-dovey Krusty show continues and Krusty asks Penelope to marry her. Bart and Milhouse decide to try to ruin Krusty's wedding.

Homer, Lenny and Carl are leaving the Springfield Power Plant with their things but Mr Burns stops them and begs them to stay. Mr Burns offers them two donuts to stay, so it cuts to them enjoying donuts. Bart arrives at Krusty's wedding and informs Penelope of all of Krusty's previous failed marriage. Penelope isn't bothered by it all but Krusty says he cares too much about her to do what he did to his previous wives to Penelope. Penelope moves to Paris and is very sad but then Krusty arrives and apologises. Penelope and Krusty then float down the river.

Then this abomination:

(https://i.imgur.com/ycTKVJp.jpg)

Fuck right off.

3/10
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on February 05, 2021, 08:03:36 PM
In 2019, Al Jean listed his five "essential" episodes of The Simpsons (I think they mean favourite episode going by the text of the article). I present them here without comment:

  • Simpsons Roasting on an Open Fire (Season 1)
  • Homer at the Bat (Season 3)
  • Eternal Moonshine of the Simpson Mind (Season 19)
  • Simpsoncalifragilisticexpiala(Annoyed Grunt)cious (Season 8)
  • Once Upon a Time in Springfield (Season 21)

Scratch that, I have one comment: fucking hell.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: neov1974 on February 05, 2021, 08:34:39 PM
I have less a comment than a Simpsons moment to add to that:

Ed Begley, Jr. : I prefer a vehicle that doesn't hurt Mother Earth. It's a go cart, powered by my own sense of self-satisfaction
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Catalogue Trousers on February 05, 2021, 08:53:03 PM
That is a pretty shitty list, it must be said. The only one of the five that I'd consider good enough to class as 'essential' is Homer At The Bat.

Okay, Simpsons Roasting On An Open Fire is historically important to the show, but it's not really very good, is it? (Shocking opinion, I know.) And the other three aren't bad, but they're all pretty forgettable.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on February 05, 2021, 08:54:46 PM
Season 21 - Episode 11 - Million Dollar Maybe

Homer and Marge are singing at the piano practising as they are due to sing at Cousin Valerie's wedding. Lisa visits the retirement home and finds their TV has stopped working, so Jasper gives her money to fix it. Lisa goes to the store for a digital TV convertor. Mr Burns is playing the Funtendo Zii. Lisa sees how much fun he is having so gets one for the retirement home. Mr Burns then switches to a Call of Duty parody but is concerned when he realises he is shooting at the Nazis (there is a genuinely brilliant line "wait, I'm shooting at the Nazis" which is then undercut by "that's not how I remember it" which it would have been so much better without).

Homer opens a fortune cookie which tells him it is his lucky day so Lenny and Carl tell him to take full advantage of it. Homer stumbles upon free sweets and a free CD, so he believes it really is his lucky day. Homer is needed at the wedding but sees the Kwik-E-Mart is having a million dollar lottery ticket sale. Homer is stuck in a huge queue while getting the ticket so misses the wedding and Marge has to do their song at the toast on her own and cries and gets booed off. Homer rushes to the wedding but ends up driving off a cliff.

Homer wakes up at the hospital. On the news it says the million dollar ticket was sold at 7:07 which Marge comments is exactly when she was embarrassed on stage. Homer realises he cannot come forward about the money otherwise Marge will know he disappointed her which is the plot of the episode.

Homer asks Barney to pick up the money for him. Homer realises he cannot spend any of the money. Lisa sets up the Zii Sports game. The old people enjoy Zii Tennis. Homer is using the money on the family but pretending to all the stuff just turns up. Bart finds the money and tells Homer he should use the money for fun. Homer and Bart hire Coldplay to do a concert for them and then they do a zero gravity plane ride. The nurses at the retirement home destroy the Funtendo Zii because it makes the old people too active.

Bart starts to blackmail Homer. Homer has to take part in Bart's class presentation by dressing up a neandertal. Homer refuses to do anything else for Bart after rickshawing him to soccer practice. Homer takes Marge on a hot air balloon and tells her the truth. Homer does a romantic gesture by making cherry blossoms form a message for her so Marge doesn't care about Homer abandoning her at the toast. Pan over to the message "Phew!" written in cherry blossoms. Credits roll.

4/10

This episode rather disturbed me. Around 16 or 17 years ago, a young JamesTC written an episode of The Simpsons where Homer won the lottery but Bart spent all the money. It must have been at least five pages long. Now I watch an episode of The Simpsons from 10 years ago and find an episode where Homer has won the lottery and Bart is spending the money. Are all the ideas for new Simpsons episodes taken from the hacked computers of eleven-year-olds?
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on February 05, 2021, 08:56:33 PM
Quote from: Catalogue Trousers on February 05, 2021, 08:53:03 PM
That is a pretty shitty list, it must be said. The only one of the five that I'd consider good enough to class as 'essential' is Homer At The Bat.

Okay, Simpsons Roasting On An Open Fire is historically important to the show, but it's not really very good, is it? (Shocking opinion, I know.) And the other three aren't bad, but they're all pretty forgettable.

The Mary Poppins episode is genuinely brilliant to be fair. I rewatched it the other day after watching the film for the first time. The plot itself is a weak parody but the hit rate of the gags in that episode is extremely high.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on February 05, 2021, 09:10:45 PM
Made the mistake of reading some of the blurbs for the rest of the season:

  • Lisa's peers snub her, but First Lady Michelle Obama defends her.
  • Ned Flanders invites the Simpsons on a trip to the Holy Land. Homer believe(sic) he is the messiah.
  • Homer and Lisa try to rescue a blue whale.
  • Springfield plunges into a nightmare when cameras are installed after a supposed terrorist attack.
  • Moe is invited to Los Angeles to judge American Idol where he befriends Simon Cowell.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: neov1974 on February 05, 2021, 09:19:18 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on February 05, 2021, 08:56:33 PM
The Mary Poppins episode is genuinely brilliant to be fair. I rewatched it the other day after watching the film for the first time. The plot itself is a weak parody but the hit rate of the gags in that episode is extremely high.
As far as size of laugh the first time I saw it goes, "so you work for Carl, eh?" is up there with any gag in any episode I think
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: C_Larence on February 05, 2021, 09:24:30 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on February 05, 2021, 09:10:45 PM
  • Lisa's peers snub her, but First Lady Michelle Obama defends her.
Assuming Michelle Obama doesn't become a regular character I think I've actually seen this one!

Quote from: C_Larence on June 15, 2020, 05:01:13 AM
Glad this got bumped because I caught the last half of a "recent" episode on Channel 4 earlier and need somewhere to vent. From what I could gather, Bart had kissed a girl in class. I turned it on as her attorney parents were threatening to sue the school unless Skinner banned any form of affection from being shown. It wasn't great, but my real issue was with the sub plot.

I watched as Lisa posted on her horticulture blog and immediately received a comment from someone with the username "Flotus1". Now, perhaps it was naive of me to expect a subversion from the obvious, but I thought perhaps there was going to be a "there all is aching" from Review style reveal. "Perhaps the F will stand for Frink, and then Lotus like the flower" I foolishly thought, until 5 minutes later when a helicopter landed in the middle of the school playground and Michelle Obama stepped out to tell Lisa how much she enjoyed her blog.

Don't worry though, there was a joke surrounding the name after all! You see, her name was "Flotus1" because "Flotus" was taken! Pick yourself up from the floor because there's more! You see, the name "Flotus", was actually taken by none other than Rupert Grint Ralph Wiggum! "Because I wear my floatus when I swim", he says, standing in the middle of the playground, wearing his swimming gear because SIMPSONS WRITERS DON'T HAVE FUCKING OBJECT PERMANENCE AND THINK IF THEY CAN'T SEE SOMETHING IT DOESN'T FUCKING EXIST.
Bart then falls off the roof of the school and it looks like he's dead but then the girl he kissed kicks Principal Skinner in the head with a skateboard and does CPR on him..
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on February 05, 2021, 09:31:47 PM
Quote from: C_Larence on February 05, 2021, 09:24:30 PM
Assuming Michelle Obama doesn't become a regular character I think I've actually seen this one!

I'm not sure I need to watch it now.

There is a weird thing where Ralph has become such a popular character that he is just such an easy go to for the writers. I guess they are giving the remaining fans what they want.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Carpool Dragon on February 05, 2021, 10:45:38 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on February 05, 2021, 09:10:45 PM
Made the mistake of reading some of the blurbs for the rest of the season:

  • Ned Flanders invites the Simpsons on a trip to the Holy Land. Homer believe(sic) he is the messiah.
Ooh I remember this one, Sacha Baron Cohen plays an obnoxious Israeli tour guide, so you can look forward to that.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on February 06, 2021, 12:14:49 AM
Quote from: JamesTC on February 05, 2021, 07:41:48 PM

Then this abomination:

(https://i.imgur.com/ycTKVJp.jpg)

Fuck right off.

quite funny to think ten years after that the whole roof and spire burnt off the cathedral lol
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on February 06, 2021, 12:30:25 AM
Quote from: idunnosomename on February 06, 2021, 12:14:49 AM
quite funny to think ten years after that the whole roof and spire burnt off the cathedral lol

Proof, if it were ever needed, that The Simpsons cannot tell the future.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: neveragain on February 06, 2021, 01:43:12 AM
Quote from: JamesTC on February 05, 2021, 09:10:45 PM
Made the mistake of reading some of the blurbs for the rest of the season:

    ...
    • Springfield plunges into a nightmare when cameras are installed after a supposed terrorist attack.
That one's quite watchable. Fun appearance from Eddie Izzard.[/list]
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JaDanketies on February 06, 2021, 11:21:01 AM
Yeah the CCTV episode is definitely a stand-out for latter-day Simpsons, if I'm thinking of the right one.

I watched an episode recently that was a parody of Undercover Boss, with Burns playing the boss. Yknow they're alright. It's rare that I watch a new Simpsons and think that I fucking hate it. Episodes like That 90s Show perhaps, ones that severely retcon classic Simpsons, or ones where characters behave in ways that are jarringly untrue. Or episodes with no jokes in like the  Great Gatsby parody, or 'Warrin Priests Part 2'. 
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on February 11, 2021, 08:10:44 PM
Season 21 - Episode 12 - Boy Meets Curl

Marge is preparing for date night. Homer is also preparing at work but Mr Burns tells Homer, Lenny and Carl that there is a leak they need to fix. Homer arrives home late but tells Marge they can still catch a film. The cinema is loud and obnoxious and then they leave when they see it stars Ben Affleck. On the way home they decide to go ice skating but the place is shut for curling. Homer decides they should try curling. Marge and Homer are really good at curling and join Skinner and his mother's team which is the plot of the episode.

Skinner arrives at the Simpson house to tell Homer and Marge about the Winter Olympic trials which they will be taking part in. Agnes tells a story about how she competed in the Olympics but her career was ruined by being pregnant with Skinner which contradicts the Armin Tamzarian plot. Lisa gets addicted to collecting Olympic badge pins. Marge makes up for Homer throwing the stone too fast by sweeping really well. Marge and Homer pass the trials and go to Vancouver for the Winter Olympics. Extended reference to The Simpsons Movie.

Agnes wants Homer off the team. Homer overhears and wonders what to do while accidentally going on a bobsleigh adventure. Lisa is still addicted to Olympic pins and swaps her pearls for them. Lisa is playing the sax on the street to raise money for more pins. Marge continues to make up for Homer's shortcomings as a thrower but hurts her shoulder in the process. Dr Hibbert says Marge will never curl again.

Marge is angry at Homer for some reason. Homer realises that Marge is left-handed and has been pretending to be right-handed to seem normal all these years. Bart convinces Lisa to get rid of the pins and gets her pearls back. Marge and Homer arrive and stop Skinner from forfeiting. Marge sweeps with her left hand. They win the Gold medal for the USA. Credits roll.

3/10
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on February 11, 2021, 08:40:11 PM
Season 21 - Episode 13 - The Color Yellow

Mrs Hoover assigns her class the project of searching their family tree. Lisa finds the Simpson family is all horrible which is the plot of the episode.

Lisa goes to the attic and find "The Diary of Eliza Simpson". They think it is a nice diary about a little girl from the 1860 but the first entry mentions that Eliza will be getting a slave called Virgil. Upon reading more, it turns out Eliza was planning to free Virgil on the underground railroad. Homer doesn't want her reading more (due to the bad record the Simpson family tree has) but Lisa insists.

Eliza (played by Lisa in the flashback) is helping Virgil escape but is chased by confederate guards on horses. The rest of the diary turns to dust. Marge and Lisa go to the library to find another book about Eliza. They only find a cookbook from Eliza's mother Mabel (played by Marge) but this continues the story and explains that Eliza helped Virgil get free.

For Black History Month all of the children of Springfield Elementary are giving talks. Lisa tells the story of Eliza but Milhouse denounces it as a fairy tale. He explains that his ancestor Milford Van Houten saw Eliza fail to stand up to Colonel Burns after Virgil was discovered. Lisa investigates and finds a film with a hundred-year-old Eliza which corroborates Milford Van Houten's account.

Lisa is sad but Grandpa tells a story about how Mabel saved Virgil. Abraham Lincoln gives Mabel a stovepipe hat to help them escape. Once they reached Canada, Mabel divorced her husband and married Virgil and had children. It is these children who the family are descended from. Lisa comments that they are 1/64th black and then Lisa and Bart make offensive comments about being cool and good as jazz. Grandpa explains that the reason it wasn't talked about was because his generation were racist. Marge says she is descended from the French and Homer says that it explains why he loves drinking and then drinks a big bottle of wine. Credits roll.

4/10

The episode had a few uncomfortable moments, but the writing just felt much more on form than the rest of the season up to now which means it is the currently a high point for the season.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: St_Eddie on February 12, 2021, 01:20:57 AM
Quote from: JamesTC on February 11, 2021, 08:40:11 PM
4/10

The episode had a few uncomfortable moments, but the writing just felt much more on form than the rest of the season up to now which means it is the currently a high point for the season.

Why, Monsieur Simpson, with this 4/10 episode you are really spoiling us.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Blumf on February 12, 2021, 09:35:28 AM
Quote from: JamesTC on February 11, 2021, 08:10:44 PM
Season 21 - Episode 12 - Boy Meets Curl

...Homer realises that Marge is left-handed and has been pretending to be right-handed to seem normal all these years...

That's interesting...

(two years earlier)

https://americandad.fandom.com/wiki/Office_Spaceman
QuoteWhile in class, Francine wrote left-handed, but the nuns slapped it with a fish, feeding their Catholic doctrine into her mind. By the time she was seven, she came to believe that all left-handed people are evil.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Carpool Dragon on February 12, 2021, 01:32:59 PM
I don't know if that's stealing, that really happened to people going to Catholic school years ago (there seemed to be a belief that left handed people had the devil in them). Any writer raised Catholic could've came up with that.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Huxleys Babkins on February 12, 2021, 03:44:10 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on February 11, 2021, 08:10:44 PM
Agnes tells a story about how she competed in the Olympics but her career was ruined by being pregnant with Skinner which contradicts the Armin Tamzarian plot.

Does it? Would she not have been pregnant with the "other" Skinner?
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on February 12, 2021, 04:11:06 PM
Yes, but there's a season 25 episode where we see young Seymour in a sailor suit which I shows that stuff is retconned.

To choose a character who had a major defining element in his relationship with his mother in the first place to have not lived in Springfield before Vietnam was just very dumb
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on February 12, 2021, 04:11:51 PM
Quote from: Huxleys Babkins on February 12, 2021, 03:44:10 PM
Does it? Would she not have been pregnant with the "other" Skinner?

The baby is shown in the womb and is made to look like our Skinner.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: thr0b on February 12, 2021, 05:14:07 PM
The get-out is at the end of the Armin episode, in which they agree to "never speak of this again".

Not actually a bad episode in itself*, but shitty writing put them in a corner and then they choose just to ignore it. Treat Armin as a Treehouse of Horror episode.

* I know, it gets lots of criticism. But it's a decent enough story, they just pissed it up the wall, as they tended to do at the time. Better writing could've kept the status quo, without pissed chips.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: C_Larence on February 12, 2021, 05:14:18 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on February 12, 2021, 04:11:51 PM
The baby is shown in the womb and is made to look like our Skinner.

The baby looked like Principal Skinner? Sarah, get me Superintendent Chalmers.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on February 12, 2021, 05:57:08 PM
Quote from: thr0b on February 12, 2021, 05:14:07 PM
The get-out is at the end of the Armin episode, in which they agree to "never speak of this again".


It was jokingly referenced in the Season 15 episode I, (Annoyed Grunt)-bot. Good episode, that one.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Blumf on February 12, 2021, 06:06:45 PM
Always considered The Principal and the Pauper to be a good stopping point for the show, a kind of statement that it's as far as they can go with the status quo and continuity. Stop watching there and you've got pretty much all the great stuff covered, and most the dreck avoided.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on February 12, 2021, 06:24:22 PM
I never got the hate for The Principal and the Pauper. It was a good episode even if the central premise wasn't great.

Funny to think that the only reason they felt comfortable making that episode was because they assumed the show would be ending soon. It is very strange thinking back to a time when The Simpsons was just like any other sitcom.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Pink Gregory on February 12, 2021, 06:43:40 PM
Harry Shearer isn't a fan, apparently.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: bgmnts on February 12, 2021, 07:04:29 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on February 05, 2021, 08:03:36 PM
In 2019, Al Jean listed his five "essential" episodes of The Simpsons (I think they mean favourite episode going by the text of the article). I present them here without comment:

  • Simpsons Roasting on an Open Fire (Season 1)
  • Homer at the Bat (Season 3)
  • Eternal Moonshine of the Simpson Mind (Season 19)
  • Simpsoncalifragilisticexpiala(Annoyed Grunt)cious (Season 8)
  • Once Upon a Time in Springfield (Season 21)

Scratch that, I have one comment: fucking hell.

To be fair, Homer at the Bat may be the funniest episode of the Simpsons.


Quote from: Blumf on February 12, 2021, 06:06:45 PM
Always considered The Principal and the Pauper to be a good stopping point for the show, a kind of statement that it's as far as they can go with the status quo and continuity. Stop watching there and you've got pretty much all the great stuff covered, and most the dreck avoided.

Problem is, you stop watching there, and you miss out on some top tier Simpsons.

E.g:

https://youtu.be/VM5-xFenaZI

Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on February 12, 2021, 07:58:40 PM
I regularly sing the Gonna Paint Your Wagon song to myself.

"Gonna wash the dishes, gonna wash em fine"
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on February 12, 2021, 08:41:50 PM
thing about Homer at the Bat is that it has loads of celeb voices, but even if you have no idea who they are (i.e. anyone outside of the US), it doesn't matter and it's still really funny
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: bgmnts on February 12, 2021, 08:44:35 PM
The Lee Marvin voice is one of the funniest things that has ever existed and it has me in bits every time.

But yeah, so many amazing episode in that season, which sort of fucks up the 'everything after season 7 is a dip in quality' narrative.

Quote from: idunnosomename on February 12, 2021, 08:41:50 PM
thing about Homer at the Bat is that it has loads of celeb voices, but even if you have no idea who they are (i.e. anyone outside of the US), it doesn't matter and it's still really funny

Exactly, I know fuck all about baseball but who cares.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Blumf on February 12, 2021, 09:01:42 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on February 12, 2021, 07:58:40 PM
I regularly sing the Gonna Paint Your Wagon song to myself.

"Gonna wash the dishes, gonna wash em fine"

"Gonna use detergent, to make them dishes shine"
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on February 12, 2021, 09:10:36 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on February 12, 2021, 07:58:40 PM
I regularly sing the Gonna Paint Your Wagon song to myself.

"Gonna wash the dishes, gonna wash em fine"
The funniest part is that it's a real movie, and I didn't realise that until much later.

EDIT: If Family Guy did this joke, they'd either show a three minute clip from Paint Your Wagon, or Clint Eastwood and Lee Marvin would sing about what they're doing and how very homosexual it is. The Simpsons version looks like the writers just imagined what this movie would be like in their imagination, and then made it funnier.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: mippy on February 13, 2021, 12:01:10 AM
I'm just gearing up for when we get to the Elon Musk episode. If only because it was bad enough to remind me of the travesty that was the MySpace ep of King Of The Hill.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: wrec on February 13, 2021, 12:05:58 AM
Quote from: JamesTC on February 12, 2021, 07:58:40 PM
I regularly sing the Gonna Paint Your Wagon song to myself.

"Gonna wash the dishes, gonna wash em fine"

He's turned off replyin', he's turned off replies
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Jumblegraws on February 13, 2021, 01:31:54 AM
Quote from: wrec on February 13, 2021, 12:05:58 AM
He's turned off replyin', he's turned off replies
I for one welcome our Glinner meme overlords
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on February 13, 2021, 01:45:57 AM
Quote from: wrec on February 13, 2021, 12:05:58 AM
He's turned off replyin', he's turned off replies

Gonna ask the Staniland question, 'cause you're telling lies


Quote from: mippy on February 13, 2021, 12:01:10 AM
I'm just gearing up for when we get to the Elon Musk episode. If only because it was bad enough to remind me of the travesty that was the MySpace ep of King Of The Hill.

Can't be worse than New Star Trek naming him as a legend of human science amongst the Wright brothers and Zefram Cochrane. As if racism and being utterly shit wasn't enough reason to hate the hacks in charge of writing the show.

Quote from: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on February 12, 2021, 09:10:36 PM
The funniest part is that it's a real movie, and I didn't realise that until much later.

EDIT: If Family Guy did this joke, they'd either show a three minute clip from Paint Your Wagon, or Clint Eastwood and Lee Marvin would sing about what they're doing and how very homosexual it is. The Simpsons version looks like the writers just imagined what this movie would be like in their imagination, and then made it funnier.

I might watch it but I see it is nearly 3 hours long. I might just settle for this number (https://youtu.be/AQjw5F6SnzE?t=50).
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on February 13, 2021, 10:18:00 AM
Quote from: mippy on February 13, 2021, 12:01:10 AM
I'm just gearing up for when we get to the Elon Musk episode. If only because it was bad enough to remind me of the travesty that was the MySpace ep of King Of The Hill.
that sounds funny
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Andy147 on February 13, 2021, 11:11:55 AM
Quote from: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on February 12, 2021, 09:10:36 PM
The funniest part is that it's a real movie, and I didn't realise that until much later.

I remember the comments in some Simpsons forum/newsgroup being along the lines of "why would Clint Eastwood and Lee Marvin be in a musical?!" or "brilliant idea of the writers to put Clint Eastwood and Lee Marvin in a musical!!" until eventually someone posted "Uh - it's a real movie that they're really in".

I always liked the line "They put us on the Waiting to Exhale waiting list, but said not to hold our breath."
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: dissolute ocelot on February 13, 2021, 11:43:51 AM
It feels like a classic example of comedy coming from childhood trauma.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on February 16, 2021, 10:41:48 PM
Season 21 - Episode 14 - Postcards from the Wedge

An animated film depicts the Springfield of Tomorrow and probably predicts Covid-19 transmission if you are some hack writing an article about The Simpsons predicting the future. Bart has forgotten to do his special school project to build a model so Krabappel sends a letter home to Homer and Marge to tell them he is a month behind on his homework. Bart tries to stop the letter by making his arse really hot (I may have taken this out of context). Bart tries to grab the letter but Homer reaches it before him. Homer and Marge see Skinner who tells them he needs to increase Bart's workload. Bart is forced to do his homework by Homer but Marge takes a soft touch as she is worried he will be turned off school. Bart realises he can play Marge and Homer against each other which is the plot of the episode.

Bart pretends he is really worn out from the work so Marge lets him go and play. Extended Itchy and Scratchy parody of House for some reason. Homer sees Bart watching TV so tells him to get back to work but this starts an argument with Marge. Homer and Marge are now arguing about everything. Marge asks Flanders for advice. Flanders reveals he had a fight with Maude about drying hands on the wrong towels on the day she died and he really regrets it. Homer and Marge both realise they must apologise and then they do. Homer and Marge let Bart do whatever he wants as they don't want him to ruin their marriage.

Bart and Milhouse prank Skinner. Skinner chases Bart and Milhouse into an abandoned subway. Bart and Milhouse start and old train which causes an earthquake over town. Homer does an impression of a dial-up modem. Bart returns home but Homer and Marge don't care. Bart consults Nelson who informs him that his pranks aren't satisfying him as nobody is getting angry at them.

Bart overhears Willie, Skinner and Super Nintendo Chalmers talking about a crack in the structure of the school and how one more quake will destroy it. Bart decides to start another quake using the abandoned train but leaves the plans so that he will get caught. Bart uses the train and destroys the school. Marge and Homer ground him but he is happy because there were consequences for his actions. Credits roll.

3/10

There was a good gag with Homer dirtying all the plates in a dishwasher so that he didn't need to empty it and then Marge thanked him for doing the dishes.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on February 16, 2021, 11:15:51 PM
Season 21 - Episode 15 - Stealing First Base

Homer is driving Bart and Lisa to school but ends up on a construction site due to his new GPS system. Bart arrives late to find the class out of control. Turns out Krabappel is away so Skinner merges both fourth grade classes. The other fourth grade class are really different including a surfer dude and a blind kid. Bart ends up sharing a desk with a girl called Nikki who he likes which is the plot of the episode.

Lisa gets an F on a test and believes she is dreaming so jumps off her desk and slams her fucking face on the floor. Lisa suddenly becomes really popular for getting an F but then Ms Hoover informs her she got the test mixed up with Ralph's and everybody taunts her for being gifted. Bart asks for Homer for advice about girls but he is busy pretending to fix the brakes on Marge's car in order to eat ice cream. Bart asks Grandpa for advice which leads him to kiss the Nikki but she turns away in disgust.

OH FOR FUCK SAKE

Homer and Marge are called into the school to meet with Nikki's parents. Nikki's parents threaten to sue the school as well as Homer and Marge. Homer takes Bart to Itchy and Scratchy 3D in the cinema to take his mind off girls. Lisa is depressed so posts on her gardening blog and gets a motivational message from FLOTUS1. OH IT IS THIS ONE OH GOODIE.

The school institutes a no touching policy. Super Nintendo Chalmers introduces a play about inappropriateness on school premises with Skinner playing Bart and Groundskeeper Willie playing Nikki. Homer thinks Skinner is Bart and ends up strangling him. Skinner and Willie kiss.

(https://i.imgur.com/XlUuIQP.jpg)

The school is full of anti-cootie propaganda. Bart goes to his locker and Nikki is in it and kisses Bart. Michelle Obama arrives because Lisa is sad. The reveal that she is FLOTUS1 because Ralph took FLOTUS because he swims in his floaties is terrible. It actually would have been better if she just said that FLOTUS was taken and have no reveal. Michelle Obama also has super strength.

Nikki acts like a psychopath and Bart ends up falling off the roof of the school. Bart has stopped breathing and Nikki wants to give him mouth-to-mouth but Skinner doesn't want a lawsuit so won't let her, but she rides past on her skateboard and manages to reach Bart. Montage of kisses through history. Everything is resolved now for some reason. Bart thanks her for saving his life but asks why she always acts so hot and cold to him and she says he has a lot to learn about women and then kisses him as he is walking away. Credits roll.

2/10 - I feel like there is an insinuation behind the plot that I really don't like. You know if you want to do an episode about consent, Bart Simpson is not the character to use.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Ferris on February 16, 2021, 11:33:13 PM
It's never really occurred to me just how many of these there are. The simpsons have done 20+ (?) seasons of utter toilet, but with 30 (?) ep runs that means hundreds upon hundreds of episodes of complete dreck.

In a way it is quite impressive.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JaDanketies on February 17, 2021, 10:57:31 AM
Quote from: FerriswheelBueller on February 16, 2021, 11:33:13 PM
It's never really occurred to me just how many of these there are. The simpsons have done 20+ (?) seasons of utter toilet, but with 30 (?) ep runs that means hundreds upon hundreds of episodes of complete dreck.

In a way it is quite impressive.

I know. Sometimes a Simpsons episode comes on the TV and I think, "this is really well into latter-day shitty Simpsons now," and it's not even in widescreen! It feels like everything has been broadcast in widescreen for a really long time now.

February 2009 was when the Simpsons became widescreen - that was season 20. That 90's Show, the much-maligned episode that retconned Homer and Marge's early years in a shit Nirvana parody, was season 19.

It's been Zombie Simpsons forever.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: dissolute ocelot on February 17, 2021, 11:14:22 AM
Quote from: JamesTC on February 16, 2021, 10:41:48 PM
Season 21 - Episode 14 - Postcards from the Wedge

Bart and Milhouse prank Skinner. Skinner chases Bart and Milhouse into an abandoned subway. Bart and Milhouse start and old train which causes an earthquake over town. Homer does an impression of a dial-up modem. Bart returns home but Homer and Marge don't care. Bart consults Nelson who informs him that his pranks aren't satisfying him as nobody is getting angry at them.

Bart overhears Willie, Skinner and Super Nintendo Chalmers talking about a crack in the structure of the school and how one more quake will destroy it. Bart decides to start another quake using the abandoned train but leaves the plans so that he will get caught. Bart uses the train and destroys the school. Marge and Homer ground him but he is happy because there were consequences for his actions. Credits roll.

For some reason I really like the bit where Bart and Milhouse discover the subway, it really gets across the childhood fantasy of finding hidden worlds (and then trashing them). Plus where Lisa uncovers that it was Bart himself who tipped off his parents about his evil scheme because he wanted to be discovered. This is actually a good episode for Bart who shows actual emotions and realistic childish behaviour. And destroying the school is always nice. Shame the Homer/Marge arguments are awful.

The kissing/harassment one is dreadful. Definitely the sort of topic that South Park can do and the Simpsons should keep miles away from. Which is better, the Sexual Harassment Panda (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ap_XoAVvbQg), or the homophobic bit of Willie kissing Skinner? Maybe part of the difference is the South Park episode actually tries to imagine how it feels to be the children who go through this shit.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Huxleys Babkins on February 17, 2021, 11:16:53 AM
Quote from: JaDanketies on February 17, 2021, 10:57:31 AM
I know. Sometimes a Simpsons episode comes on the TV and I think, "this is really well into latter-day shitty Simpsons now," and it's not even in widescreen! It feels like everything has been broadcast in widescreen for a really long time now.

February 2009 was when the Simpsons became widescreen - that was season 20. That 90's Show, the much-maligned episode that retconned Homer and Marge's early years in a shit Nirvana parody, was season 19.

It's been Zombie Simpsons forever.

It's like one of those Egg Wallace programmes about factories. You know the machine that makes supermarket quiches is going to be pretty substantial, but when you actually see it and get a sense of the scale behind the mundanity that is a supermarket quiche, there's a real "fuck me" factor to it.

You always think of the crap as being "new Simpsons", but when you look at the original US air dates, it's been on the slide since before the turn of the century. I'm 40 this year and the last properly decent episodes were made when I was still at school.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on February 17, 2021, 11:19:17 AM
The longer you live, the probability of somebody telling you that recent Simpsons has gotten really good again approaches 1.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Ferris on February 17, 2021, 11:32:28 AM
Quote from: Huxleys Babkins on February 17, 2021, 11:16:53 AM
It's like one of those Egg Wallace programmes about factories. You know the machine that makes supermarket quiches is going to be pretty substantial, but when you actually see it and get a sense of the scale behind the mundanity that is a supermarket quiche, there's a real "fuck me" factor to it.

That is a perfect analogy.

Quote from: JamesTC on February 17, 2021, 11:19:17 AM
The longer you live, the probability of somebody telling you that recent Simpsons has gotten really good again approaches 1.

Worryingly accurate. Counterpoint - is anyone still watching the show in order to provide that (wrong) opinion?
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on February 17, 2021, 12:06:02 PM
Do the writers deny there are probably more quotes and memes of the show online of any SINGLE pre season 10 episode than all the next 20 seasons put together*? Theres a reason the Frinkiac stops where it does. Nobody cares

* exceptions for things like Old Man Yells at Cloud and "At least you tried" cake I guess
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on February 17, 2021, 12:16:07 PM
Marge Krumping meme is from Season 19.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on February 17, 2021, 12:27:09 PM
so we're up to three. also I assumed it was more because the animation looked so weird as to why it was a meme
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on February 17, 2021, 12:30:36 PM
Quote from: idunnosomename on February 17, 2021, 12:27:09 PM
also I assumed it was more because the animation looked so weird as to why it was a meme

Oh definitely. That one is an ironic meme because it is so bad.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Blumf on February 17, 2021, 01:54:32 PM
Quote from: idunnosomename on February 17, 2021, 12:06:02 PM
Do the writers deny there are probably more quotes and memes of the show online of any SINGLE pre season 10 episode than all the next 20 seasons put together*? Theres a reason the Frinkiac stops where it does. Nobody cares

There was that Simpsonwave fad a few years back that used old Simpsons clips for Vaporwave music videos. Interestingly they hardly ever used zombie-Simpson era clips, and when they did, they never worked as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTfa-9aCTYg
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Jumblegraws on February 17, 2021, 05:24:28 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on February 16, 2021, 11:15:51 PMMontage of kisses through history.
Would just like to chime in that this bit was an homage to the kisses reel scene from Cinema Paradiso and I thought it was quite nicely done. The rest of the episode is shit, though.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on February 17, 2021, 06:23:56 PM
Quote from: Jumblegraws on February 17, 2021, 05:24:28 PM
Would just like to chime in that this bit was an homage to the kisses reel scene from Cinema Paradiso and I thought it was quite nicely done. The rest of the episode is shit, though.

Ahh right, cheers.

Maybe I am being harsh on modern Simpsons with another dig, but I feel like references to stuff were more enjoyable in the past when you didn't get them. I only saw Beauty and the Beast for the first time a few days ago, but that didn't stop me from enjoying See My Vest for the last 20 years.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: buttgammon on February 17, 2021, 06:46:39 PM
There's whole areas of pop culture that I only know from classic Simpsons. Even a weak one like the Australia episode has knifey-spooney, which I love despite never seeing Crocodile Dundee.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Jumblegraws on February 17, 2021, 07:17:57 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on February 17, 2021, 06:23:56 PM
Maybe I am being harsh on modern Simpsons with another dig, but I feel like references to stuff were more enjoyable in the past when you didn't get them. I only saw Beauty and the Beast for the first time a few days ago, but that didn't stop me from enjoying See My Vest for the last 20 years.
Agree with this. I enjoyed the 2001:A Space Odyssey references that pepper classic Simpsons on viewings that were years before I actually saw the film.

I'm not sure how I'd feel about the Cinema Paradiso reference if I hadn't already seen the film, but when I saw it I thought the idea of updating the montage was quite a nice one.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on February 17, 2021, 10:02:26 PM
Season 21 - Episode 16 - The Greatest Story Ever D'ohed

I think a mark of how bad the titles have come with The Simpsons is shown by the fact that they didn't name this The Greatest Story Ever (Annoyed Grunt)ed.

Flanders is hosting Bible Study but Homer is doing naked water sliding in the back garden. Flanders is frustrated and Reverend Lovejoy suggests reaching out to Homer. Flanders invites Homer and the family to visit Israel with him, but Homer is sarcastic. Marge takes Flanders up on the offer which is the plot of the episode.

The tour guide arrives and it is Sacha Baron Cohen with a shouty voice. Homer is going around wearing USA clothes. Flanders prays for Homer to experience the redemptive powers of the land. Flanders asks Homer to give the place a chance and they start to pray but Homer's phone rings regarding a falafel order to King David's tomb. Homer's behaviour continues to disappoint Flanders. Bart gets chased by the tour guide's daughter and then he gets repeatedly kicked in the bollocks.

Homer falls asleep in Jesus' tomb but thinks it is Porky Pig's tomb which enrages Flanders to the point he gets thrown out by security and is banned for life. Flanders tells Homer that he is beyond redemption and not worth saving. Homer rushes after him into the desert on a camel, not realising that Flanders actually went into a café just to the side of the desert. Homer is caught in a sand storm and loses the camel. Homer then proceeds to drink from the Dead Sea which makes him hallucinate talking vegetables who tell him he is the messiah. Homer is rescued.

Dr Hibbert believes Homer is suffering from Jerusalem syndrome. Homer goes to the Dome of the Rock to try to unite all faiths. Homer suggests they all become Chrismujews as all religions are basically the same and that they all love chicken. Loads of other people turn up with Jerusalem syndrome. For some reason Flanders is satisfied with Homer's speech and they reconcile on the plane home. Credits roll.

3/10
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Wonderful Butternut on February 17, 2021, 10:14:41 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on February 16, 2021, 11:15:51 PM
2/10 - I feel like there is an insinuation behind the plot that I really don't like. You know if you want to do an episode about consent, Bart Simpson is not the character to use.

Honestly from your description it sounds like it's having a dig at people who care about consent.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on February 17, 2021, 10:18:38 PM
Quote from: Wonderful Butternut on February 17, 2021, 10:14:41 PM
Honestly from your description it sounds like it's having a dig at people who care about consent.
oh god you just reminded me that there's a newish shitty episode about SJWs only they don't say SJWs they say millenials or college students but anyway they're all special snowflakes.

Remember how Homer Badman had nuance? In that even though he didn't grab the babysitter he still creeped her out and then pulled something off her ass while making a perv-face? So she had a reason to freak out and wasn't hysterically making things up for attention? Zombie Simpsons doesn't.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on February 17, 2021, 10:41:21 PM
interesting how they just trace photographs of the church of the holy sepulchre (something which would've been almost impossible in pre-image-rich internet 90s) and other Jerusalem sites as backgrounds instead of uh, writing jokes. utterly bizarre show at this point really
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: madhair60 on February 17, 2021, 11:59:29 PM
QuoteHomer falls asleep in Jesus' tomb but thinks it is Porky Pig's tomb which enrages Flanders

Sorry but this made me laugh
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Master Cylinder on February 18, 2021, 12:31:40 AM
Quote from: Wonderful Butternut on February 17, 2021, 10:14:41 PM
Honestly from your description it sounds like it's having a dig at people who care about consent.

It's very Old Man Yells At Cloud. There's a line from Chalmers along the lines of "We're all here because something happened between a boy a girl that would've been fine 100s of years ago" (?)

There's probably an episode about the type of relationship advice a young Bart is getting from the people in his life and the conflicts that come from that with what he learned is wrong or something like that. But instead we get a "Boys can't even kiss girls anymore!"
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on February 18, 2021, 10:51:15 PM
The Simpsons is both behind culturally and socially now. And evidently in 2010 too.

I was shown a clip of one recent episode by somebody which was taking the piss out of political correctness and offensiveness in universities. Basically the type of humour were right-wingers guffaw at owning the libs. It couldn't have been from long ago as it was in the last couple of years when I was shown it. I just feigned a smile.

Maybe I am being harsh and they have picked up recently. I see they did an episode recently about podcasts.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: St_Eddie on February 20, 2021, 11:27:27 AM
I'm at my mate's and Zombie Simpsons is on.  There was just a bit where Homer was swimming in the ocean.  He started splashing around and then said "There better not be any killer fish in here" (I'm paraphrasing but you get the idea).  Then do you know what happened?  A shark appeared!  Fuck me, they're not even trying anymore:

"I hope this thing what would be a convenience doesn't happen.  Oh no, that thing that would be a convenience and progress the plot just happened.  Gahhhhh!".  What a shit show.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on February 20, 2021, 08:00:08 PM
I'd really depressed myself reading a sad story this afternoon so why not cheer myself up by watching some Simpsons!

Season 21 - Episode 17 - American History X-cellent

Homer, Lenny and Carl are guards at the jail and enter a cell with Mr Burns in it. We flash back to Mr Burns announcing to all the employees of the power plant that they will be working at his picnic. He has all the employees perform a play for him. Lenny, Carl and Homer are angry at Mr Burns, so they drink all the wine from Mr Burns' win cellar. Smithers calls the police but when they arrive to arrest Homer, Lenny and Carl they find that Mr Burns has stolen artwork. Mr Burns is arrested and is taken through the town for everybody to throw rotten fruit at. Mr Burns appoints Smithers as head of the plant which is the plot of the episode.

Lisa has an ant farm. Bart feeds the ants pop tarts. Bart and Lisa fight over the ant farm, and it drops on the floor for Santa's Little Helper to eat all but one of the ants. Lisa says she will never forgive Bart. Mr Smithers says happy workers are productive workers so institutes changes at the plant. Lisa takes care of her one remaining ant.

Bart: It was an accident, I didn't mean to kill our ants
Homer: Huh? Patty and Selma are dead? Double funeral! *Homer sings and does a dance*

The workers start taking advantage of Smithers. Smithers then overheard Lenny, Carl and Homer badmouthing him and talking about how much of a pushover he is, so he changes into a hard ass. An inmate at the prison tries to get Burns to accept Jesus and then he sucks out all the evil from him. Mr Burns becomes a changed man. The remaining ant is slowing down in her old age. Lenny, Carl and Homer decide things were better under Burns, so they need to break into the prison and get him out.

Lisa and Bart release the remaining ant in a heart-warming moment and then Santa's Little Helper eats her. The inmate tries to stop them taking Burns but Burns still has some remaining evil. Burns returns to the plant and the inmate tries to convert Fat Tony to Jesus. Credits roll.

5/10

A high point for the season. This says much more about the quality of the season thus far. Still it gave a good few laugh out loud moments. Homer walking in on the conversation and Santa's Little Helper eating the ant to undercut the sweet moment were very good.

What the fuck is the title about? Just take a film about racists and make a pun? Christ.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on February 20, 2021, 08:32:09 PM
Season 21 - Episode 18 - Chief of Hearts

The kids are going to a birthday party. At the party Bart sees some kids playing a card/toy game called Battle Balls. Homer is going to the bank, but the sign outside says no food so he takes a big bite out of his candy apple and then puts it in his pocket. Homer's hand is stuck in his pocket and his mouth is stuck from the candy, so people think he has a gun in his pocket and that he is taking hostages. Homer is tasered and then sentenced to 100 hours of community service for disturbing the peace. At the community service, Homer and Wiggum bond over sandwiches. Wiggum and Homer become friends which is the plot of the episode.

Wiggum is excited about making a new friend. Bart and Ralph play Battle Ball but Martin overhears and taddles to Skinner as he thinks something more nefarious is going on. Skinner calls Marge in as they believe Bart has been dealing drugs. Marge returns home and overhears Bart and Milhouse talking about Battle Ball but believes they are talking about drugs. Homer and Wiggum continue to do stuff together but then they need to go to an armed robbery. Wiggum is shot saving Homer but he wasn't wearing his bulletproof vest. Homer stays with Wiggum all through his recovery. Homer wants to go home to his family but Wiggum guilts him into staying.

Marge searches for drugs in Bart's room. She confronts Bart and he explains it was Battle Ball. Marge things Battle Ball is cool so he instantly stops liking it. Homer is drinking at Moe's and Wiggum bursts in to tell him he is a bad friend. Homer is depressed and feeling guilty at home. Lou and Eddie arrive at the Simpson house and tell Homer they haven't seen Wiggum for days. Homer finds Wiggum but they are both captured by Fat Tony. Homer and Wiggum are tied up in the boot of Fat Tony's car and are being driven to the body dump. Wiggum manages to use a CD to untie himself and Homer. Wiggum and Homer overpower Fat Tony and his cronies and arrest them. Homer and Wiggum take the police helicopter to make Flanders think the rapture is happening by shining the spotlight through his window and telling him to take off all of his clothes. Montage of pictures of Homer and Wiggum getting up to hijinks. Credits roll.

4/10

It was fine.

This is the first episode in which Lisa doesn't say a single word.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Blumf on February 23, 2021, 01:56:53 PM
Ee-he-he-heh

https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-56166823
QuoteThe Simpsons actor Harry Shearer is to be replaced as the voice of Dr Hibbert, after the show said white cast members would stop portraying characters from other ethnic backgrounds.

Kevin Michael Richardson, known for his voice work on Family Guy and American Dad!, will take over in an episode that will air in the US this weekend.

Shearer had voiced the jolly medic, among other characters, since 1990.

He will continue to play Mr Burns, Ned Flanders and Principal Skinner.

<shrug>
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on February 23, 2021, 02:17:25 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on February 20, 2021, 08:00:08 PM
What the fuck is the title about? Just take a film about racists and make a pun? Christ.
why did they just call it The Yellow Mile
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Bernice on February 24, 2021, 01:19:17 PM
The D'ohshank ReD'ohD'oh
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on February 24, 2021, 01:36:32 PM
I love KMR's work, he was an excellent Shredder in NickTMNT and a dead ringer for 87 Shredder in that one crossover episode but it feels like TV thinks there aren't any other black voice actors.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Ferris on February 26, 2021, 04:00:19 PM
Juuust about relevant enough to post in here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYB0JNjmYOo&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on February 26, 2021, 04:40:09 PM
Quote from: idunnosomename on February 23, 2021, 02:17:25 PM
why did they just call it The Yellow Mile

Thought they had to have used that. Googled it and only found a Simpsons fanfic under that name on a forum. Amused reading this review of it:
QuoteThere's too much swearing. I stopped reading when Maggie swore at Bart in capital letters.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on February 26, 2021, 04:49:06 PM
Quote from: Blumf on February 23, 2021, 01:56:53 PM
Ee-he-he-heh

https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-56166823
<shrug>

The Simpsons really dug their heals in with all this. The fact they made that embarrassing Apu episode (not seen it yet, I'm so looking forward to it) just makes them look so disingenuous with these changes. They don't give a toss about representation, everybody is just angry at them for being stuck in the past, so they were forced to act.

If they genuinely wanted to make a point, they should have introduced three or four non-white cast members to the main cast and have them voice various new characters of all ethnicities. So white actors can continue to play non-white characters but non-white actors would play white characters too. Thinking about it, it would be a shot in the arm to the voice acting that the show could use. But this isn't about making a point about racism, it is about them not realising why people are annoyed about the lack of representation and how their all white cast is emblematic of that.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Blumf on February 28, 2021, 03:04:42 PM
TheRealJims has done a listing of 20 'HD era' Simpsons episodes to check out. Six of them suggested by Simpsons writer Matt Selman (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Selman):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4InInaXFho

I don't know, the few eps I could remember seeing weren't that good, so not convinced the list is all that. Still, maybe as good a jumping off point as any for anyone wanting to sample death-march Simpsons.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on February 28, 2021, 04:24:57 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on February 26, 2021, 04:40:09 PM
Thought they had to have used that. Googled it and only found a Simpsons fanfic under that name on a forum. Amused reading this review of it:
yes i did check too. Still, there might actually be a real simpsons episode further down the results for all i know!
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: madhair60 on March 01, 2021, 12:10:56 PM
something I've noticed is that these episodes all seem to have a pop song in em, a pop song montage. Every single episode. do they own a record library or something that they have to use? it's the same with American Dad, there's some contemporary song in every episode somewhere. really odd.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: buttgammon on March 01, 2021, 12:13:26 PM
Could it just be a desperate attempt to convince people that they're still in some way relevant? Presumably the songs are a few years out of date too.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Blumf on March 01, 2021, 01:54:27 PM
Quote from: madhair60 on March 01, 2021, 12:10:56 PM
it's the same with American Dad, there's some contemporary song in every episode somewhere. really odd.

Eh? Outside of that cringey My Morning Jacket episode, most the music seems to be original stuff in AD.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: RetroRobot on March 01, 2021, 02:26:52 PM
Quote from: madhair60 on March 01, 2021, 12:10:56 PM
something I've noticed is that these episodes all seem to have a pop song in em, a pop song montage. Every single episode. do they own a record library or something that they have to use? it's the same with American Dad, there's some contemporary song in every episode somewhere. really odd.

I believe it's a library? Didn't they fire their composer and hire one of those firms to do it? Maybe something to do with that.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: dissolute ocelot on March 01, 2021, 05:45:12 PM
Quote from: RetroRobot on March 01, 2021, 02:26:52 PM
I believe it's a library? Didn't they fire their composer and hire one of those firms to do it? Maybe something to do with that.
They fired Alf Clausen in 2017 (various reasons have been suggested (https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/9368386/simpsons-composer-firing-lawsuit), from Clausen having Parkinsons to Clausen not actually doing any of the work and subcontracting it all out) and replaced him with Hans Zimmer's company Remote Control. This doesn't really explain the use of pop songs, which is probably more due to the preference for a lazy montage over writing jokes; probably Fox/Twentieth Century Television has a deal with a record company or companies to get lots of cheap or free music (Disney owns Hollywood records and has close relations with Universal, but the Simpsons thing presumably predates that).
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: madhair60 on March 01, 2021, 05:45:48 PM
Quote from: Blumf on March 01, 2021, 01:54:27 PM
Eh? Outside of that cringey My Morning Jacket episode, most the music seems to be original stuff in AD.

I haven't seen it for a while but I recall the TBS episodes using a lot of songs you wouldn't expect to show up and seemed to almost be shoehorned in
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on March 01, 2021, 05:58:59 PM
Quote from: madhair60 on March 01, 2021, 05:45:48 PM
I haven't seen it for a while but I recall the TBS episodes using a lot of songs you wouldn't expect to show up and seemed to almost be shoehorned in
They played Pour Some Sugar on Me over the montage of Steve and Stan washing the car in that episode where they both get huge boobs.

They played The Touch over the training montage in the episode where Roger joins the police force.

They played Hall of Illusions in a cutaway gag about Klaus wearing his Insane Clown Posse hoodie to Steve's funeral.

They played some 80s song, I know I looked it up before but I can't remember what it's called, over the photo collage of Roger doing a shoot for Playgirl in... I want to say the episode where he joins the CIA to investigate all the sightings of him.

EDIT: They played Majestic in the episode where Jeff ends up on the alien spaceship and has to prove his love for Haley is true and pure or else he'll be neutered.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: RetroRobot on March 02, 2021, 08:28:41 AM
Quote from: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on March 01, 2021, 05:58:59 PM
They played Pour Some Sugar on Me over the montage of Steve and Stan washing the car in that episode where they both get huge boobs.

They played The Touch over the training montage in the episode where Roger joins the police force.

They played Hall of Illusions in a cutaway gag about Klaus wearing his Insane Clown Posse hoodie to Steve's funeral.

They played some 80s song, I know I looked it up before but I can't remember what it's called, over the photo collage of Roger doing a shoot for Playgirl in... I want to say the episode where he joins the CIA to investigate all the sightings of him.

EDIT: They played Majestic in the episode where Jeff ends up on the alien spaceship and has to prove his love for Haley is true and pure or else he'll be neutered.

To be fair the Majestic scene is fantastic
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on March 02, 2021, 09:08:47 AM
The Kid is Hot Tonite, that's the one from Roger's Playgirl shoot.

There's an episode where Steve and his friends hump an ottoman to Pony by Ginuwine.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on March 02, 2021, 12:27:00 PM
On that quite fun retro-80s couch gag by Steve Cutts they just use Push it to the Limit when you know in classic Simpsons they'd have crafted a pastiche instead
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on March 03, 2021, 06:51:25 PM
Oh goodie. The Simpsons has been renewed for Season 33 and 34. (https://deadline.com/2021/03/the-simpsons-renewed-season-33-34-fox-1234705714/)

Quote from: Deadline"Woo Hoo! With any luck the show will soon be older than I am," noted Homer Simpson.

No he didn't.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Wonderful Butternut on March 03, 2021, 06:53:57 PM
Oh Jesus, just let it die.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: madhair60 on March 04, 2021, 10:11:23 AM
Quote from: JamesTC on March 03, 2021, 06:51:25 PM
Oh goodie. The Simpsons has been renewed for Season 33 and 34. (https://deadline.com/2021/03/the-simpsons-renewed-season-33-34-fox-1234705714/)

No he didn't.

REVIEW MORE BAD EPISODES
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on March 04, 2021, 10:43:06 AM
Quote from: madhair60 on March 04, 2021, 10:11:23 AM
REVIEW MORE BAD EPISODES

In fairness the last few weeks have been punishing with work (albeit a promotion and huge pay rise have come in the middle of it) and I barely have the energy to do anything after my run at the end of the working day. But I guess it has been a couple of weeks now, so I will try to watch a few tonight. I believe the next episode is one of the episodes considered a gem of the HD era, so it is sure to be a good one!
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Bernice on March 04, 2021, 10:51:41 AM
The Simpsons is Charles Bronson now. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGb_nQZrvFU)
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on March 04, 2021, 05:05:54 PM
Jesus Christ there's a season 23 opener by Bill Plympton where young Homer fucks the couch and impregnates it only for him to leave it for Marge, and the couch is forced into stripping and prostitution to support itself and its baby armchair. Then it attempts suicide by leaping into a garbage truck before Homer pulls it out and takes it and the baby armchair home.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: dissolute ocelot on March 04, 2021, 05:29:17 PM
Quote from: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on March 04, 2021, 05:05:54 PM
Jesus Christ there's a season 23 opener by Bill Plympton where young Homer fucks the couch and impregnates it only for him to leave it for Marge, and the couch is forced into stripping and prostitution to support itself and its baby armchair. Then it attempts suicide by leaping into a garbage truck before Homer pulls it out and takes it and the baby armchair home.
I used to like Bill Plympton (I have a signed sketch by him somewhere that he did after I went to a preview of one of his increasingly terrible animated films) but he has been in decline for a long time. I've still not seen his bizarre "concentration camps were really animation studios" satire Hitler's Folly, which sounds like it's a The Day the Clown Cried for the 21st century. The only vaguely tolerable guest animator Simpsons intro I can think of was Banksy's, where obviously Banksy isn't an animator, and he did the obvious Banksy thing of going for the stupidly obvious target with minimal subtlety.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on March 04, 2021, 06:03:15 PM
oh just to remind everyone the baby armchair is Homer's baby. Because he fucked the couch.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JaDanketies on March 04, 2021, 06:37:38 PM
Quote from: dissolute ocelot on March 04, 2021, 05:29:17 PM
The only vaguely tolerable guest animator Simpsons intro I can think of was Banksy's, where obviously Banksy isn't an animator, and he did the obvious Banksy thing of going for the stupidly obvious target with minimal subtlety.

There have been quite a few I can remember that were very good. The Rick and Morty and the Adventure Time guest animator openings at least!
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Moltar on March 04, 2021, 07:38:51 PM
Quote from: JaDanketies on March 04, 2021, 06:37:38 PM
There have been quite a few I can remember that were very good. The Rick and Morty and the Adventure Time guest animator openings at least!

I like the Don Hertzfeldt one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m78gYyTrG7Y
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on March 04, 2021, 10:54:25 PM
Season 21 - Episode 19 - The Squirt and the Whale

Bart and Lisa are watching a trailer for a Hollywood adaption of Tic-Tac-Toe. Homer starts turning off everything electrical due to the electricity bill. Lisa suggests alternative forms of energy, so the family go to an alternative energy expo. Homer buys a wind turbine which isn't the plot of the episode.

Homer cuts the power to the house as the electricity company were stealing their excess energy. The wind stops which causes the power to go out. Lisa explains that when the wind is off that they have no power, but Homer vows not to crawl back to big energy.

Homer powers the wind turbine by connecting fans to Flanders' house and pointing them at the turbine, but Flanders disconnects them. A storm then arrives and damages the turbine. Bart and Lisa go to the beach for some reason and they discover a beached whale which is the plot of the episode.

Lisa wants to get the whale help so goes to Homer and Marge. Marge read an article about beached whales and is worried about Lisa getting her hopes up but Homer vows to bust the whale out of prison. Homer enlists the help of various people around town but nothing works. Lisa dreams the whale is saved, but then she wakes up and the whale is dead. Lisa is sad. Bart and Milhouse go to poke the dead whale, but the police are fixing dynamite to it. They blow up the whale and blubber flies all over the beach injuring many people.

Lisa returns to the beach and sees some baby whales in the water, but then they are about to be killed by sharks. Homer arrives and they set off to attack the sharks. Some conservationists try to stop Homer and Lisa because they believe all life is precious. Lisa convinces Homer to not kill the sharks but then Homer falls in the water and is surrounded by the sharks. Homer is rescued by the daddy whale and the daddy and babies swim off. Credits roll with pictures of the daddy whale marrying a squid.

4/10 - Sometimes saccharin stories can really work well (late Futurama such as the episode Game of Tones comes to mind) but this was badly paced and just felt haphazard. Still wasn't bad, just below average.

According to the Wikipedia article for this episode, it includes the chalk board gag "South Park - We'd stand beside you if we weren't so scared". This has been changed for the version I'm watching on Disney+.

I usually take a quick look at the reviews on Wikipedia for each episode after I'm done. They are usually positive and often proclaim that the show's "still got it" in some form or another. The best is IGN who bafflingly always give incredibly specific rating out of 10. This episode got a 9.3/10. Of course a 9.4 would be too much and a 9.2 would be way too harsh.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: neov1974 on March 04, 2021, 11:45:20 PM
YES good to see these reviews back, clearly more important to continue this journey than prioritise actual real life
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: evilcommiedictator on March 04, 2021, 11:53:22 PM
Jeepers that sounds dire, is there even a mild bit of support for renewables, or indeed, environmentalists in that entire episode?
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on March 04, 2021, 11:55:07 PM
Quote from: evilcommiedictator on March 04, 2021, 11:53:22 PM
Jeepers that sounds dire, is there even a mild bit of support for renewables, or indeed, environmentalists in that entire episode?

Homer does a funny and then Lisa is sad.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on March 17, 2021, 04:06:12 PM
They're just not giving a fuck now: https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/ustv/a35849887/the-simpsons-timeline-change-homer-teenager-90s/

QuoteThe show's history has been rewritten once more last weekend, with the latest episode showing Homer as a teenager in the '90s.

[...] Simpsons executive producer Matt Selman responded to the fans saying: "Continuity Alert: Sunday's @TheSimpsons playfully re-interprets the show's timeline to allow Homer to be a teenager in the early '90s.

"The Simpsons is a 32-year-old series where the characters do not age, so the 'canon' must be elastic / contradictory / silly. This does not mean other beloved classic @TheSimpsons flashback shows didn't happen.

"None of this happened. It's all made up. Every episode is its own Groundhog Day that only has make sense for that story (if that)," added the producer.

"There is no @TheSimpsons 'canon' or 'non-canon.' There are only stories. If all these crazy things really happened to one family the characters would be in a mental hospital.

HORR HORR IT'S A CARTOON YOU SIMPLETONS A CARTOOOOOON
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Bad Ambassador on March 17, 2021, 04:12:28 PM
Quote from: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on March 17, 2021, 04:06:12 PM
They're just not giving a fuck now: https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/ustv/a35849887/the-simpsons-timeline-change-homer-teenager-90s/

HORR HORR IT'S A CARTOON YOU SIMPLETONS A CARTOOOOOON

A full confession that they've given up. I've been watching Bob's Burgers again from the start and it's fantastic right off the bat.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on March 17, 2021, 04:14:34 PM
Why do they even need to DO an episode about Homer as a teenager in the 90s oh it's because they're out of ideas and/or can't age up Bart.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: rue the polywhirl on March 17, 2021, 04:16:36 PM
I hope Simpsons stays around long enough so we get a 2020 flashback episode of when Homer and Marge were teenagers during the pandemic.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JaDanketies on March 17, 2021, 04:21:03 PM
Watched The Road To Cincinnati - season 32 of The Simpsons, episode 8, aired in 2020, and it was at least a five out of ten. Totally different tone to Simpsons. The storyline sees
Spoiler alert
Skinner and Chalmers making up
[close]
which felt like a Very Important Episode. I also watched Undercover Burns - a parody of Undercover Boss - from the same series and it was okay too but not as good.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on March 17, 2021, 04:22:36 PM
i am 90s homer i am 90s homer

So dumb though. Homer is a boomer born in the 1950s. Thats why he's a lazy blue collar guy with no decent college degree. If he was born in the 80s he wouldnt be able to have three kids for instance
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on March 17, 2021, 04:34:23 PM
Quote from: idunnosomename on March 17, 2021, 04:22:36 PM
i am 90s homer i am 90s homer

So dumb though. Homer is a boomer born in the 1950s. Thats why he's a lazy blue collar guy with no decent college degree. If he was born in the 80s he wouldnt be able to have three kids for instance
but you're forgetting that in this timeline there was no groundbreaking animated sitcom that completely obliterated the television landscape as we know it

that's right everyone it's The Simpsons' fault the world is all fucked up

massive media conglomerates distract us with cartoons full of swearing while they melt the icecaps and hoard all the money
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on March 17, 2021, 06:21:04 PM
I hope they made a joke about Homer being into this great new animated sitcom that has just started on Fox.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on March 17, 2021, 06:49:24 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on March 17, 2021, 06:21:04 PM
I hope they made a joke about Homer being into this great new animated sitcom that has just started on Fox.
oh god they probably did and it's probably called the Chimpsons and is about monkeys or something
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: ajsmith2 on March 17, 2021, 07:33:47 PM
Matt Selman talking out his arse with that 'no canon' jive. Someone on that Twitter thread replied (rightly) that if that were the case they could just bring back Maude Flanders tomorrow with no explanation, and he replied with something to the effect of 'well deaths births and marriages are different'. YES WELL IN THAT CASE THERE CLEARLY IS A CANON THEN ISN'T THERE MATT YOU FIBBER.

Incidentally, this Sunday's episode apparently is a flashback one where it's revealed that Homer helped deliver Todd Flanders and his parents then named him Todd Homer Flanders in gratitude. :(
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on March 17, 2021, 07:56:23 PM
it's just sad how these arseholes are trotted out against "internet comic book guys" to defend a corporate husk that was scrapping the barrel twenty years ago
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on March 17, 2021, 08:41:09 PM
Quote from: ajsmith2 on March 17, 2021, 07:33:47 PM
Matt Selman talking out his arse with that 'no canon' jive. Someone on that Twitter thread replied (rightly) that if that were the case they could just bring back Maude Flanders tomorrow with no explanation, and he replied with something to the effect of 'well deaths births and marriages are different'. YES WELL IN THAT CASE THERE CLEARLY IS A CANON THEN ISN'T THERE MATT YOU FIBBER.

Okay Matt Selman, if that is your real name. I will accept that births, deaths and marriages are different.

Quote from: ajsmith2 on March 17, 2021, 07:33:47 PMIncidentally, this Sunday's episode apparently is a flashback one where it's revealed that Homer helped deliver Todd Flanders and his parents then named him Todd Homer Flanders in gratitude. :(

Homer didn't meet Flanders until after Todd was born. (https://youtu.be/69I6JClV7G0?t=47) It was a birth so it is canon.

Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: dissolute ocelot on March 17, 2021, 08:47:05 PM
Quote from: Moltar on March 04, 2021, 07:38:51 PM
I like the Don Hertzfeldt one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m78gYyTrG7Y
Yes I forgot about that, it's very good: genuinely creepy without just being gross-out, and it also seems to be a sly dig at the eternally decaying Simpsons just strung out for thousands of years in the endless pursuit of money. A lot of the guest animator couch gags are just "here's the simpsons mixed in with my animated franchise for no good reason with no actual jokes".

And in an attempt to be even more unpopular, I don't mind them messing with the timeline as long as they're true to the characters. (I must admit I even quite liked the one where Homer invents grunge just because it's so silly and takes the piss out of grunge.) Obviously it would be good if they took the other sensible option and just cancelled the show. But I'm happy to see Homer and Marge falling in love every decade as long as Homer's stupid but well-meaning and Marge is ultimately won over by his good nature.

But Homer delivering Todd/Rod/Bod/Cod/God? The Flanders timeline/personality has been messed about with far too much, leave them be. Or better, kill Ned!
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Kankurette on March 17, 2021, 09:45:44 PM
Not watched it in years, don't want to. Homer getting raped by a panda was the nadir. The old seasons still hold up though.

ETA: Herzfeldt's couch gag was funnier than any recent Simpsons episode I've seen.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on March 17, 2021, 10:26:25 PM
>ALL ANIMALS
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>CAN SCREAM
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Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on March 17, 2021, 10:39:06 PM
Quote from: Kankurette on March 17, 2021, 09:45:44 PM
Not watched it in years, don't want to. Homer getting raped by a panda was the nadir. The old seasons still hold up though.


Homer getting raped by Marge was the nadir.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: St_Eddie on March 17, 2021, 10:43:59 PM
Given that this is now being discussed here, I may as well re-post my thoughts on the matter from the Dennis the Menace thread...

Quote from: St_Eddie on March 17, 2021, 04:57:29 PM
Quote from: The Simpsons executive producer Matt Selman"This does not mean other beloved classic The Simpsons flashback shows didn't happen. None of this happened. It's all made up. Every episode is its own Groundhog Day that only has [to] make sense for that story (if that)."

Oh do please kindly fuck right off.  It's bad enough when audiences trot out the old "what are you complaining for? It's fiction. It's not real. Anything can happen!" BS argument to excuse bad writing.  It's ten times worse when a supposed professional creative uses that same excuse.  A fictional universe still has to abide by its own internal logic, lore and rules.  Not "anything can happen!".  That's what the 'Treehouse of Horror' episodes were for, for fuck's sake.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Kankurette on March 17, 2021, 11:12:13 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on March 17, 2021, 10:39:06 PM
Homer getting raped by Marge was the nadir.
Oh fuck me, I'd forgotten that episode existed.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on March 17, 2021, 11:13:29 PM
Quote from: Kankurette on March 17, 2021, 11:12:13 PM
Oh fuck me, I'd forgotten that episode existed.
Family Guy did the same "joke", too. At least when Francine got ripped on American Dad! she didn't rape Stan.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Thursday on March 17, 2021, 11:56:32 PM
I don't actually have an issue with the concept of them having Homer be a teenager in the 90's it's just I know it'll be shit, because it's current Simpsons.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Kankurette on March 18, 2021, 01:23:58 AM
Quote from: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on March 17, 2021, 11:13:29 PM
Family Guy did the same "joke", too. At least when Francine got ripped on American Dad! she didn't rape Stan.
I'm not even surprised.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Master Cylinder on March 18, 2021, 01:55:46 AM
Quote from: ajsmith2 on March 17, 2021, 07:33:47 PM
Matt Selman talking out his arse with that 'no canon' jive. Someone on that Twitter thread replied (rightly) that if that were the case they could just bring back Maude Flanders tomorrow with no explanation, and he replied with something to the effect of 'well deaths births and marriages are different'. YES WELL IN THAT CASE THERE CLEARLY IS A CANON THEN ISN'T THERE MATT YOU FIBBER.

Incidentally, this Sunday's episode apparently is a flashback one where it's revealed that Homer helped deliver Todd Flanders and his parents then named him Todd Homer Flanders in gratitude. :(

I replied to that great that it ruins engagement and Selman replied 'OH NOT BUT IT ALL HAPPENED"

I then suggested an episode where Homer talks to his fart cause who cares anymore.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: earl_sleek on March 18, 2021, 06:59:34 AM
Quote from: JamesTC on March 17, 2021, 10:39:06 PM
Homer getting raped by Marge was the nadir.

what
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: ajsmith2 on March 18, 2021, 09:06:03 AM
Also worth staying tuned for the April 18th episode which apparently features ' Benedict Cumberbatch as a Morrissey-type character' and is entitled 'Panic in the Streets of Springfield'. Hmm.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Simpsons_(season_32)
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: ajsmith2 on March 18, 2021, 09:07:51 AM
Quote from: earl_sleek on March 18, 2021, 06:59:34 AM
what

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0lRhcLwHVA
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: dissolute ocelot on March 18, 2021, 09:42:57 AM
Stephen Fry is appearing soon too, doubtless playing a posh, camp man. But he and Olivia Colman (who's also been in it recently, sigh) inspired this super-Partridgey headline:

When Olivia met Homer - Norfolk stars land roles in The Simpsons (https://www.edp24.co.uk/news/olivia-colman-and-stephen-fry-in-the-simpsons-6414130)
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on March 26, 2021, 11:06:43 PM
There is only so long I can put off watching more by instead watching good stuff like Doctor Who Season 8, Dawn of the Dead and The Terminator.

Season 21 - Episode 20 - To Surveil With Love

OH FUCKING HELL TIK TOK SHITE. Awful awful awful awful opening. Hate it. FUCK OFF.

Duff Man arrives in Moe's Tavern to give away Duff paraphernalia. Homer is now wearing Duff clothes. At the school, Nelson trips Milhouse in the cafeteria and Lisa defends him. A new teacher notices and asks Lisa to join the debate team. Lisa's debate partner is an arsehole and just doesn't allow Lisa to rebut any point and mocks her for being blonde.

At the Nuclear Power Plant, Smithers informs Burns that they have nowhere to put the nuclear waste so Burns sees Homer in the Duff clothes and tells Smithers to put the nuclear waste in his bag. Homer then leaves his bag unattended at the Springfield Union Station so it is blown up for some reason. Now they think terrorists are after them. Quimby suggests installing security around town which is the plot of the episode.

An overtly British guy (Eddie Izzard doing an exaggerated accent) called Nigel Bakerbutcher tells the town at a meeting about the security they have in London such as the London Eye being a literal eye. Lisa makes a point but because she is blonde she is told to shut the fuck up by Cleetus. The town agrees to add cameras all over the town. Cleetus says he has sex with animals.

Krusty is making blonde jokes which Bart loves so Lisa points out he is also blonde but he rebuts that blonde men are just evil rather than stupid. Cameras are now installed over town but Chief Wiggum can't be bothered monitoring the cameras, so townspeople are brought in to monitor instead (including Marge and Flanders). Flanders is controlling over everything by telling the town what to do through speakers on the cameras but Marge feels uncomfortable. Lisa dyes her hair. Bart discovers a blind spot to the cameras in the backyard by backing his arse into the paths of the cameras.

Homer: Hey boy, what ya doing?
Bart: Experimenting with my butt.
Homer: My little Einstein.

Bart and Homer open an area in the blind spot where people can pay to be free from the cameras. Marge arrives so everybody pretends to not be breaking the law. Homer tells Marge the truth and she accidentally reveals the blind spot to Flanders. Flanders moves a camera and can see everything. Lisa is really good at debate now she has brown hair but she then reveals she is blonde and has a rant about it. Flanders turns up in the backyard to try to stop the misbehaviour but Homer informs him that it was his nagging that caused everything to end up there. Homer and Flanders go around the city and destroy all the cameras. Turns out the cameras were recording a reality TV show for Britain and the Queen will miss Ralph. Credits roll with Get Ready for This by 2 Unlimited for some reason.

3/10 - Have I mentioned that the opening can fuck off? A television blog called TV Squad described the opening as "inspired". TV Squad was shut down in 2011.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on March 26, 2021, 11:33:18 PM
Season 21 - Episode 21 - Moe Letter Blues

Moe is narrating the story. Moe is talking about how he understands the problems of everybody in the town. He especially understands the problems of the married couples. On TV, Krusty is encouraging the kids of the town to take a Krusty day cruise with their fathers in order to give their mother a happy Mother's Day. Homer agrees to take the kids as Marge says she needs to take care of something. Apu, Lovejoy and Homer are all on the cruise and they receive a letter from Moe saying that he is leaving town with one of their wives which is the plot of the episode.

Apu, Lovejoy and Homer try to work out which wife it is but they can't reach any of them. Homer thrown his phone overboard while trying to send a text. Homer says that him and Marge never argue but Lovejoy and Apu tell him that is a bad thing so they ask him when it started. Homer remembers during Marge's mother's 80th birthday that he called Patty and Selma "penis curling she devils" which angered Marge.

Now Apu is thinking back for any time that Manjula might have ended up with Moe.  He remembers a time that they went into Moe's to use the toilet and left one of the children so Manjula went back to recover it. Homer reveals he was at Moe's when Manjula arrives. Manjula played a dance game with Moe that he had gotten at the bar.

Lovejoy now thinks back. He had an argument with Helen as they never talk. Helen confided in Moe who was at the church. Apu was also at the church window (they didn't think that one through) and saw Moe reveal to Helen that he is in love with a married woman.

The three return home and see Marge packing in the window. Homer enters the home and she is actually putting away her painting supplies. She reveals that her mother revealed that it was Patty and Selma that riled Homer up. Lovejoy returns home to see Helen packing but she is actually packing for both of them to go on a trip together. Apu returns home last thinking it is his wife leaving him. Manjula is there with Moe but she says he has convinced her to stay with Apu. Moe then reveals he orchestrated the whole thing to fix their marriages. Moe mentions Mother's Day because this aired that day. A blow up doll passes by. Credits roll.

3/10

When I was writing this, I mentioned earlier that Homer throws his phone overboard while writing a text because it seemed to be the obvious thing that would come back later as a plot point. It didn't so it must just have been a gag. It wasn't funny.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on March 26, 2021, 11:57:32 PM
Season 21 - Episode 22 - The Bob Next Door

Quimby is announcing cost-cutting measures at a town meeting which includes releasing all low level criminals from Springfield Penitentiary. Next-door to the right moves out and somebody new moves in. He has expensive furniture and drives a hybrid so Lisa and Marge love him but Bart goes over to introduce himself Bart style but the new neighbour (Walt) looks and sounds a little like Sideshow Bob which is the plot of the episode.

Bart tries to have Walt reveal the truth. Bart and Milhouse sing Gilbert and Sullivan but Walt doesn't join in. Bart sneaks into his house to try to find evidence but doesn't find any. Marge takes Bart to the Springfield Penitentiary to see Bob in the prison who is writing "Bart Simpsons will die" on a padded wall using a pen in his mouth. Just after they visit him, Bob manages to escape.

Walt feels bad that him and Bart got off on the wrong foot so he offers Bart a ticket to go to a baseball game. Sideshow Bob arrives at the window of the Simpsons house but he reveals he is actually Walt so Bart is now with the real Sideshow Bob. Walt was Bob's cellmate and was scheduled for early release so Bob orchestrated the whole thing in a Face-Off style face swap plan. Walt was writing "Bart Simpson will die" as a warning as he couldn't speak due to the face swap.

Walt and the family split up. Bob is about to shoot Bart across state lines so he doesn't get convicted of murder. Walt arrives but fails to stop Bob who now is pointing the gun at Walt and Bart. Wiggum and backup arrive and reveal that Bart pre-warned them as he was still unsure about Walt and they tracked him through his hybrid car. Bob is arrested.

Flanders' cousin moves in next-door and he is just like Flanders. Credits roll.

5/10 - I'm impressed they managed to do something new and interesting with Sideshow Bob. It wasn't great but it wasn't bad either, just average. Which is enough at this point.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on March 27, 2021, 12:05:01 AM
Sky One skipped from season 6 to season 12 on weekdays and are showing season 29 on Sundays. It's interesting to go from classic episodes like Who Shot Mr. Burns and Lisa's Wedding to "what celebrity can we get this week" season 12 to...

...well, the only season 29 episode I watched was about Moe reconnecting with his estranged father and siblings, who own a number of mattress stores (the family business). It was okay, in that there was a reason for the Simpsons to interfere with a secondary character's life and Moe stayed more or less in character. But it never made me laugh. Also the characters kept saying "reach around to" instead of "reach out to". Even Marge (the Simpson doing the most interfering this time). Was that supposed to be a joke? Huh huh "reach around" like gay sex. I don't even remember if the kids did anything.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: RetroRobot on March 27, 2021, 12:20:41 AM
Quote from: JamesTC on March 26, 2021, 11:57:32 PM
Season 21 - Episode 22 - The Bob Next Door

Quimby is announcing cost-cutting measures at a town meeting which includes releasing all low level criminals from Springfield Penitentiary. Next-door to the right moves out and somebody new moves in. He has expensive furniture and drives a hybrid so Lisa and Marge love him but Bart goes over to introduce himself Bart style but the new neighbour (Walt) looks and sounds a little like Sideshow Bob which is the plot of the episode.

Bart tries to have Walt reveal the truth. Bart and Milhouse sing Gilbert and Sullivan but Walt doesn't join in. Bart sneaks into his house to try to find evidence but doesn't find any. Marge takes Bart to the Springfield Penitentiary to see Bob in the prison who is writing "Bart Simpsons will die" on a padded wall using a pen in his mouth. Just after they visit him, Bob manages to escape.

Walt feels bad that him and Bart got off on the wrong foot so he offers Bart a ticket to go to a baseball game. Sideshow Bob arrives at the window of the Simpsons house but he reveals he is actually Walt so Bart is now with the real Sideshow Bob. Walt was Bob's cellmate and was scheduled for early release so Bob orchestrated the whole thing in a Face-Off style face swap plan. Walt was writing "Bart Simpson will die" as a warning as he couldn't speak due to the face swap.

Walt and the family split up. Bob is about to shoot Bart across state lines so he doesn't get convicted of murder. Walt arrives but fails to stop Bob who now is pointing the gun at Walt and Bart. Wiggum and backup arrive and reveal that Bart pre-warned them as he was still unsure about Walt and they tracked him through his hybrid car. Bob is arrested.

Flanders' cousin moves in next-door and he is just like Flanders. Credits roll.

5/10 - I'm impressed they managed to do something new and interesting with Sideshow Bob. It wasn't great but it wasn't bad either, just average. Which is enough at this point.

Is this the one with Family Guy-esque comedy gore with Bob's face falling off and such? I honestly thought it was a Mirtazapine and Guinness fever dream.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on March 27, 2021, 12:25:46 AM
Season 21 - Episode 23 - Judge Me Tender

Homer and Bart are trying to get Santa's Little Helper to win an ugly dog contest by dressing him up and painting him. At the contest Moe is sad as nobody lets him sit next to them in the crowd. Krusty is judging the contest and Moe starts heckling and the crowd love it. Moe now judges the contest and the crowd are loving his pithy comments. Homer and Bart dressed up Santa's Little Helpers backside so they win the contest but Santa's Little Helper is sad they think he is ugly.

Moe is now asked to judge a ridiculous beards contest and does very well. Moe judges many contests around town. Santa's Little Helper is depressed. Homer is clingy to Marge at home because Moe's is closed. Moe is asked to be a judge on American Idol. Moe goes to Hollywood. Marge starts hyperventilating due to Homer's overbearing nature so she drives him to a sports bar. Homer doesn't fit in at the sports bar. Lisa cheers up Santa's Little Helper.

Simon Cowell shows Moe around town. Homer is back home and causing problems. Grandpa suggests golf as a way to get him distracted. Simon Cowell has grown fond of Moe so tells him not to become the mean judge as everybody thinks he is nasty and doesn't want to be his friend. Ellen DeGeneres does a dance. Moe decides to be a nice judge. Cowell makes nasty comments about Moe which enrages Moe to the point of holding a broken bottle to him and he is thrown out. Cowell was sabotaging him.

Marge meets an older guy at the golf course who talks about how he never sees his family because he is obsessed with golf and that all it took was one shot. She stops Homer from taking his first shot. Homer and Marge have sex. Moe is back in the tavern and he has been banned from watching Fox as part of his firing but this makes business boom at the tavern. Rupert Murdoch shows up and wants to watch Jay Leno. Credits roll.

2/10 - I don't like it when they are mean to Santa's Little Helper. He is a good boy. Also I really hope that two is enough appearances for Simon Cowell.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on March 27, 2021, 12:30:34 AM
Quote from: RetroRobot on March 27, 2021, 12:20:41 AM
Is this the one with Family Guy-esque comedy gore with Bob's face falling off and such? I honestly thought it was a Mirtazapine and Guinness fever dream.

It is indeed. I guess I am desensitised to that sort of thing now. It didn't have the punch that the great shot from Season 4 had. As you say it was Family Guy style which took away from it. Unlike the shot in Season 4 which was one that stuck with you as a kid:

(https://frinkiac.com/img/S04E14/293108.jpg)
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on March 27, 2021, 12:42:36 AM
Looking ahead to Season 22, I see there is an episode about Moe turning the tavern into a gay bar and the episode is called Flaming Moe. Jesus.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: neveragain on March 27, 2021, 04:55:47 PM
Worth mentioning they already made that joke in the classic era so it's not like they're plumbing new depths.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: chveik on March 27, 2021, 05:49:34 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on March 26, 2021, 11:33:18 PM
Season 21 - Episode 21 - Moe Letter Blues

sounds like a very lazy 'parody' of a letter to three wives (and i'm guessing the vast majority of the current simpsons' audience has never heard of the film, so it's just baffling)
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: neveragain on March 27, 2021, 07:09:42 PM
Actually it's much more likely, as it's a reference they've done before, that it refers to the 1990 film Mo' Better Blues... so... yeah.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Pink Gregory on March 27, 2021, 07:34:33 PM
off topic drunkposting, but Ms Gregory just got a free Disney+ sub with her phone contract, and we watched "Brother's Little Helper" from season 9 or something?  Perfect exchange.

Bart's stolen a tank from a military base under the influence of ADHD drugs and is driving towards the school.  Marge steps in front of the tank and thanks him for stopping.

"the tank ran out of gas"
"...oh."

The faith that Marge has in Bart as ultimately good, and then then the disappointment.

just such a perfect exchange, built on exactly who tho
Quote
se characters are in that situation.  That's what it lost as time went on.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: chveik on March 27, 2021, 08:28:28 PM
Quote from: neveragain on March 27, 2021, 07:09:42 PM
Actually it's much more likely, as it's a reference they've done before, that it refers to the 1990 film Mo' Better Blues... so... yeah.

i meant the plot of the episode, not its title. that'll teach me for not quoting the whole post
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: dissolute ocelot on March 28, 2021, 11:22:45 AM
Quote from: chveik on March 27, 2021, 05:49:34 PM
sounds like a very lazy 'parody' of a letter to three wives (and i'm guessing the vast majority of the current simpsons' audience has never heard of the film, so it's just baffling)
Late Simpsons seems stuffed with baffling parodies that make no sense and aren't funny (why use Moe as the mysterious lothario, for fuck's sake? Couldn't they remember any other characters' names?) One of the fun things about classic Simpsons was how they did parodies you didn't need to "get" because they were funny and plot-relevant anyway.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: St_Eddie on March 28, 2021, 07:32:45 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on March 27, 2021, 12:30:34 AM
(https://frinkiac.com/img/S04E14/293108.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/xHZ0Lno.jpg)
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: dissolute ocelot on March 29, 2021, 08:57:55 AM
Quote from: JamesTC on March 26, 2021, 11:06:43 PM
Season 21 - Episode 20 - To Surveil With Love
...
Bart and Homer open an area in the blind spot where people can pay to be free from the cameras.
This episode has about 1 entertaining minute, and it's when Homer and Bart discover they have a blindspot and can fill it with childish antics. Bart and Homer mucking around is funny; nothing else is. I don't think anyone expects incisive satire from zombie Simpsons, but this kind of surveillance stuff was covered much better (and shorter) in season 11 when Bart was convinced Major League Baseball was spying on everyone.

As for the "Lisa is blonde" thing: still speechless. It might have made sense as a 5 second gag mocking how the Simpsons don't have proper hair, but after about 9000 episodes on how Lisa is ugly and an undiscovered genius and everyone hates her you can't just say "She's a blonde who everyone thinks is pretty but dim". Next week: Bart is taken to hospital because he only has 3 fingers.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on March 29, 2021, 02:20:13 PM
The best hair joke in The Simpsons was "speaking of hair, I have a question. Where does mine begin? Head, head, head, hair! ...I'm drawing on a hairline!"
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: madhair60 on March 29, 2021, 02:30:11 PM
Quote from: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on March 29, 2021, 02:20:13 PM
The best hair joke in The Simpsons was "speaking of hair, I have a question. Where does mine begin? Head, head, head, hair! ...I'm drawing on a hairline!"

Nah, it's Homer dreaming of having Marge's hair then going "heh heh, I don't need her at all anymore"
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on March 29, 2021, 03:53:31 PM
(https://frinkiac.com/meme/S10E04/512177.jpg?b64lines=IE5PVywgVEhBVCdTIFdIQVQgSSBDQUxMIAogQSBCQUQtSEFJUiBEQVku)
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on April 05, 2021, 07:20:53 PM
Listening to the avant-garde six-hour-long album Everywhere at the End of Time which is an auditory journey through the stages of dementia. Wondering if latter seasons of The Simpsons are the visual version of this.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on April 13, 2021, 06:42:14 PM
Hank Azaria has apologised for voicing Apu. (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-56731420) Not sure if he is apologising for just the last 20 seasons.

But seriously it seems a very open and honest apology, particularly welcome considering how the show originally reacted to criticism of Apu (I've not actually watched that episode yet, only read about it).
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on April 13, 2021, 07:18:15 PM
the whole "What can you do?" bit was kind of a Prince Andrew thing in that it was so bad it made things worse
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: ajsmith2 on April 19, 2021, 12:50:21 PM
Morrissey's management (and reading between the lines, almost certainly Morrissey himself) unamused by Moz parody in last nights episode:

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/morrissey-blasts-the-simpsons-for-hateful-and-hypocritical-parody-075837650.html
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on April 19, 2021, 12:52:58 PM
Stewart Lee has let himself go (onto The Simpsons)
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Consignia on April 19, 2021, 03:03:22 PM
I finally, due to a shared Disney+ account, got to the see the Homer taking medicinal weed episode which isn't on TV rotation. Despite being relatively old, and near some episode I actually like, it was bloody awful. Like the stuff being reviewed in this thread depths of despair.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Pauline Walnuts on April 19, 2021, 04:00:40 PM
Quote from: ajsmith2 on April 19, 2021, 12:50:21 PM
Morrissey's management (and reading between the lines, almost certainly Morrissey himself) unamused by Moz parody in last nights episode:

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/morrissey-blasts-the-simpsons-for-hateful-and-hypocritical-parody-075837650.html

Don't blame him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyaAai9Se88
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Bernice on April 19, 2021, 04:20:36 PM
Christ. Why does he sound like a bad Paul McCartney impression?
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on April 19, 2021, 06:44:34 PM
So since he's scouse the only thing that makes it certain he's a largely a Morrissey parody is him being a fat racist at the end lol
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: neveragain on April 19, 2021, 08:18:59 PM
It's quite heartening to see Le Simps really dig into a celebrity these days. For years now it's seemed anyone with big money gets an automatic exclusion from criticism. (Yes, I'm still reeling from Elon Musk's episode.)

Also, a recently-aired-on-Sky episode called Wad Goals - plot: Bart becomes a caddy - was possibly the worst ever. Just boring from start to end, in way the show has never been. Like one of those old Warner Bros cartoons you might have on in the background as a child; you know it's meant to be funny but instead it's just there.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: ajsmith2 on April 19, 2021, 10:05:17 PM
I have to admit, the kerfuffle over this has to be the least manufactured Simpsons talking point (that didn't involve their own problematicness being questioned) in decades. Maybe because as you say neveragain, they actually stuck the boot into a celebrity rather than licking it for once and then he helped them by seeming to take genuine offence in the most risibly vain way imaginable.

I mean the obvious comeback would be for Moz to say something pithy about The Simpsons decline while not even lowering himself to comment on its content, it was right there for him to turn this around easy peasy, but instead he fumbles the ball and admits that he's mortally offended by being portrayed as an old fatso on a toothless and decrepit mainstream TV show, in the process multiplying its satirical effectiveness exponentially.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on April 19, 2021, 10:50:25 PM
i really find it difficult to side with the Simpsons here because even from those clips Lisa's character just seems totally wrong. but also Morrissey getting triggered by a terrible cartoon that should've stopped twenty years ago because showing him with his "belly hanging out" is basically racism is the funniest thing the show has caused in that time
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on April 19, 2021, 10:55:09 PM
Make Morrisey a regular character you cowards.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: ajsmith2 on April 20, 2021, 10:29:23 AM
Direct Morrissey response: https://www.theguardian.com/music/2021/apr/19/morrissey-the-simpsons-parody-panic-on-the-streets-of-springfield

'Writing for the Simpsons, for example, evidently requires only complete ignorance. But all of these things are too easy for me to say. In a world obsessed with Hate Laws, there are none that protect me ... free speech no longer exists."

He just had to go there with the free speech cliche/non sequitur didn't he? Is he on a quest to be out-do modern Simpsons in banality with that rubbish?
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Mr Trumpet on April 20, 2021, 10:38:02 AM
Quote from: JamesTC on April 19, 2021, 10:55:09 PM
Make Morrisey a regular character you cowards.

Cancel The Simpsons, make a show about Morrissey being a chump
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JaDanketies on April 20, 2021, 10:59:22 AM
Quote from: Mr Trumpet on April 20, 2021, 10:38:02 AM
Cancel The Simpsons, make a show about Morrissey being a chump

I reckon Matt and Trey could do an internet series.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: St_Eddie on April 20, 2021, 11:50:42 AM
Quote from: ajsmith2 on April 20, 2021, 10:29:23 AM
Direct Morrissey response: https://www.theguardian.com/music/2021/apr/19/morrissey-the-simpsons-parody-panic-on-the-streets-of-springfield

QuoteThe writer of the episode, Tim Long, previously told Variety that the character was not solely based on Morrissey. "I'm sticking by that. The character is definitely Morrissey-esque, with maybe a small dash of ... Ian Curtis from Joy Division, and a bunch of other people."

"A bunch of other people".  Disingenuous cunt.  The character is named Quilloughby, fronts a band named The Snuffs, holds the same views as Morrissey and sings the same way as Morrissey and looks like Morrissey.

That writer is a spineless, backpedaling little toad.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Jumblegraws on April 20, 2021, 12:32:53 PM
Quote from: St_Eddie on April 20, 2021, 11:50:42 AM
"A bunch of other people".  Disingenuous cunt.  The character is named Quilloughby, fronts a band named The Snuffs, holds the same views as Morrissey and sings the same way as Morrissey and looks like Morrissey.

That writer is a spineless, backpedaling little toad.
Eh? Backpedaling from what?
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Zetetic on April 20, 2021, 12:36:52 PM
Quote from: St_Eddie on April 20, 2021, 11:50:42 AM
holds the same views as Morrissey
The words of a man looking to get sued by Quilloughby.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: popcorn on April 20, 2021, 01:07:49 PM
Springfield is looking like a really nice place these days. All leafy.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on April 20, 2021, 01:36:01 PM
Stop the Simpsons
Stop the Simpsons
Stop the Simpsons
Stop the Simpsons
Stop the Simpsons Stop the Simpsons Stop the Simpsons
Stop the Simpsons Stop the Simpsons Stop the Simpsons
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: debord on April 20, 2021, 01:48:18 PM
Quote from: Jumblegraws on April 20, 2021, 12:32:53 PM
Eh? Backpedaling from what?

From the truth that they wrote a character that plays off the currently fashionable negative image of Morrisey so they could look a bit cool.
They are obviously not a bit cool, but in fact a bit of a wuss, which makes the whole thing a little lame.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: debord on April 20, 2021, 01:49:42 PM
Quote from: Zetetic on April 20, 2021, 12:36:52 PM
The words of a man looking to get sued by Quilloughby.

Ha ha ha.

Morrisey seems to win the lawsuits when he challenges him about being 'a racist' - SKY and the NME as far as I know?
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: St_Eddie on April 20, 2021, 01:56:26 PM
Quote from: Jumblegraws on April 20, 2021, 12:32:53 PM
Eh? Backpedaling from what?

From the fact that the character is clearly an exclusive stand-in for Morrissey.  Now that there's a bit of controversy around the episode, the writer is backpedaling by saying "well, the character is Morrissey-esque, I suppose, but there's also, um, maybe a small dash of... um, Ian Curtis from Joy Division?  And there's also, uh, um... a bunch of other people who I can't think of right now!"

It's disingenuous as all heck.  Hence, backpedaling.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Jumblegraws on April 20, 2021, 02:13:39 PM
Quote from: St_Eddie on April 20, 2021, 01:56:26 PM
From the fact that the character is clearly an exclusive stand-in for Morrissey.  Now that there's a bit of controversy around the episode, the writer is backpedaling by saying "well, the character is Morrissey-esque, I suppose, but there's also, um, maybe a small dash of... um, Ian Curtis from Joy Division?  And there's also, uh, um... a bunch of other people who I can't think of right now!"

It's disingenuous as all heck.  Hence, backpedaling.
I read the tone of that completely differently. The writer knows we know it's practically an ersatz Morrissey but isn't interested (as opposed to afraid) of a full on feud with the cunt so is doing a tongue-in-cheek downplaying of the transparency of the caricature. The stuff about elements of Morrissey's contemporaries being a part of the character is probably true.  Beyond not being arsed with a feud, why should he care about Morrissey kicking up a stink? The Simpsons have weathered far worse backlashes.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JaDanketies on April 20, 2021, 02:23:54 PM
I don't really expect my animation writers to release statements saying, "yeah fuck you Morrissey, we satirised you as a cunt because you are a cunt." No complaints about some wishy-washy statement about art being in the eye of the beholder and there being plenty of influences. I don't really see what would be so great about the Simpsons writer making a different statement; I don't think they need to condemn Morrissey any more than they did in the 20 minute episode.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: St_Eddie on April 20, 2021, 02:28:27 PM
Quote from: Jumblegraws on April 20, 2021, 02:13:39 PM
I read the tone of that completely differently. The writer knows we know it's practically an ersatz Morrissey but isn't interested (as opposed to afraid) of a full on feud with the cunt so is doing a tongue-in-cheek downplaying of the transparency of the caricature. The stuff about elements of Morrissey's contemporaries being a part of the character is probably true.  Beyond not being arsed with a feud, why should he care about Morrissey kicking up a stink? The Simpsons have weathered far worse backlashes.

But your scenario of the writer not being interested in having a full on feud with Morrissey is still backpedaling.  If you're gonna savagely mock someone in your show, then have the conviction to stand by that mockery.  That's why the writer is a spineless, backpedaling little toad.  He wrote a stand-in for Morrissey, probably hoped that Morrissey wouldn't say peep about it, was proved wrong and then instantly backpedaled on his original intent.

It doesn't matter what his motivation for backpedaling was, be it fear or disinterest in having a feud.  The fact is he's backpedaling.  If you're gonna cast a stone at someone and that person reacts by saying "oi, what did you chuck that stone at me for?", then don't be a disingenuous prick and say "oh, I was just aiming in your general direction and also at the people standing behind you".  It's slimy and cowardly.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Bernice on April 20, 2021, 02:49:54 PM
I think he should fight him like a man, the little slug.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Jumblegraws on April 20, 2021, 02:52:46 PM
@Eddie Nah, he doesn't owe Morrissey a justification and I don't think the writer should give the impression that every public figure they mock can expect to engage in a debate afterwards.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: St_Eddie on April 20, 2021, 02:54:44 PM
Quote from: Jumblegraws on April 20, 2021, 02:52:46 PM
@Eddie Nah, he doesn't owe Morrissey a justification and I don't think the writer should give the impression that every public figure they mock can expect a debate afterwards.

I'm not saying that the writer owes Morrissey a justification or that he ought to engage in a debate with him.  I'm just saying that he's backpedaling and being disingenuous.  Which he is.

The writer could have either declined to comment when the press reached out to him, or he could have said something to the affect of "The Simpsons has a rich history of satire and mockery.  The episode in question stayed true to that history".  Instead, he chose to backpedal and deny that the character was ever intended as a fully blown exclusive stand-in for Morrissey, even though it quite clearly was.

Next they'll be saying that Mapple (https://simpsons.fandom.com/wiki/Mapple_Store) isn't an exclusive parody of Apple but rather a general parody of all consumer technology products and that Steve Mobbs (https://simpsons.fandom.com/wiki/Steve_Mobbs) isn't a parody of Steve Jobs but rather a general parody of all CEOs of technology firms.  It's bullshit.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Bernice on April 20, 2021, 03:21:49 PM
Fuck me, they really did a Steve Jobs/Apple parody called Steve Mobbs/Mapple.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: St_Eddie on April 20, 2021, 03:28:57 PM
Quote from: Bernice on April 20, 2021, 03:21:49 PM
Fuck me, they really did a Steve Jobs/Apple general parody of all CEOs and consumer technology products called Steve Mobbs/Mapple.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: lipsink on April 20, 2021, 03:44:26 PM
He should've just said: "Well, he is a fucking cunt".
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: madhair60 on April 20, 2021, 03:46:12 PM
I, for one, shall no longer be watching The Simpsons.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: thenoise on April 20, 2021, 04:11:38 PM
Going to hedge my bets and neither watch the Simpsons or buy any more Morrissey records.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: thecuriousorange on April 20, 2021, 04:53:41 PM
He's not happy about about brown folk coming over and taking jobs, like voicing Apu.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: notjosh on April 20, 2021, 05:11:45 PM
I'm a bit confused about the point they are making by depicting Morrissey as a racist (apparently true) and a meat-eater (false). Are they saying that in becoming increasingly bigoted he's betrayed his original audience? In that case, why not just stick with that instead of inventing another, fictional, betrayal to take the piss out of alongside the real betrayal?

Or is the joke that he was always secretly racist, but also secretly a meat-eater even though he pretended to be vegan? Obviously I'm not going to watch the episode to find out.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on April 20, 2021, 05:12:13 PM
They should hire Morrissey to voice Apu.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on April 20, 2021, 06:38:56 PM
Funny how he denies he's a racist and fat but not a lapsed vegan.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: thecuriousorange on April 20, 2021, 06:45:54 PM
Mike Tyson and Arnold Shwarzengger didn't publicly complain about the Drederick Tatum or Rainier Wolfcastle characters. I think the real Arnie was in the Simpsons Movie, so he can't have taken it to heart.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: C_Larence on April 20, 2021, 06:47:13 PM
Quote from: thecuriousorange on April 20, 2021, 06:45:54 PM
Mike Tyson and Arnold Shwarzengger didn't publicly complain about the Drederick Tatum or Rainier Wolfcastle characters. I think the real Arnie was in the Simpsons Movie, so he can't have taken it to heart.

Harry Shearer plays President Schwarzenegger in the movie
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: neveragain on April 20, 2021, 06:59:45 PM
Who should have just been called President Wolfcastle really.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on April 20, 2021, 07:52:37 PM
THAT PIECE OF SHIT SPINELESS WRITER SHOULD GO FIGHT MORRISSEY LIKE A MAN WOULD DO
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: McChesney Duntz on April 20, 2021, 08:08:07 PM
To be fair, the writer wasn't so much backpedaling as pre-emptively trying to avoid a strike, as his statements about the character being an amalgam of various 80s miserindie icons were made before the episode aired.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on April 20, 2021, 08:47:11 PM
I'm something of a Simpsons apologist in that I find myself liking about four or five episodes a season these days (the recent one with Bart finding Mrs Krabappel's diary was a rather sweet affair) but the Morrissey one was fucking awful.

Quote from: idunnosomename on April 19, 2021, 10:50:25 PM
i really find it difficult to side with the Simpsons here because even from those clips Lisa's character just seems totally wrong.

That's my biggest issue with it too, the Morrissey stuff is largely unfunny but they made Lisa unbearably smug in this episode for the majority of the story, and at one point she's horribly cruel to Mr Largo, all of which made the whole thing painful to watch. The subplot with Homer buying a SUV was really tedious too, Tim Long's written a couple of okay episodes (Behind The Laughter being his best work, though three others were credited as writers too) but it's been a long, long time since he produced anything which was even vaguely any good.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: chveik on April 20, 2021, 08:49:49 PM
pissing off Morrissey is still a net win
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on April 20, 2021, 09:47:57 PM
Saw "Day of the Jackanapes" last night.

"I think it's good for a show to go off the air before it becomes stale and repetitive."

Season. 12.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: easytarget on April 21, 2021, 05:18:22 AM
With no expectations I decided to watch Panic On The Streets Of Springfield (I assume that's the title, it should be).

It was good.

It was not seasons 3->10  solid gold, peak-art, every line diamond tight, this is what television should be level great - but it was fucking good.

Opens with Homer getting a medical exam - which turns into some pretty good USA truck advert parody[nb]Yes, Canyonaro - but more so[/nb] and the ad features a stuck up dean[nb]Yes, Homer Goes to College, shut up poindexter killjoy[/nb] - it's very funny.

Lisa hallucinates/imaginary-friend-s a Morrissey - who is all poisonous and Kenneth Williams about everything. There are a couple of fake Smiths songs which are funny - BUT so well done that they're not a shitty parody - I think they're done by a team that genuinely like(d?) The Smiths. Cumberbatch[nb]Should have been David Morrissey - WHY ARE YOU MISSING THESE OPEN GOALS?[/nb] does a good job singing, his Manchester accent needs work though.

Builds to Lisa attending her first[nb]no[/nb] music festival at which big fat moz is headlining - in which he's revealed to be horribly racist and not even a vegetarian (fires sausages into the crowd, plays a song called 'refuges? again?') - not subtle, very satisfying. 

Story is tum-te-tum too neat meh who cares.

Also - there's loads of shitty, eggy jokes that DON'T work and wouldn't have made the cut in the 90s and it's too dumb and obvious and on the nose but, fucking hell, I was expecting to despise it and it was actually good. I'm almost tempted to check out some other Simpsons from the last 10 years but ... probably not worth it.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: ajsmith2 on April 21, 2021, 07:24:55 AM
The fake Smiths songs were written by one of the Flight Of The Concords guys.

Not seen the episode beyond a few clips, but I will admit this: I find the contrast between the young Moz stand in and the old fat racist one genuinely pretty poignant, the way it reflects how young Morrissey is an eternal Peter Pan like friend to generations of depressed young adolescents, (of which Lisa is, pretty awkwardly, the Simpsons cast closest analogue) and the tragedy of how the reality of the older man he turned out to be could never compare.

I guess you have to have gone through that really invested huge Smiths phase as a young un for that contrast to really hit home (I was certainly that cliche: in summer 1999, aged 18, I was constantly depressed and no lie, listening to my library borrowed tape of their 'Singles' comp was my sole pleasure in the day, the only thing that made life seem bareable.) otherwise it just looks like they're having a pop at Morrissey randomly or for (sigh) 'Woke Points'. And I dunno, maybe they were, who knows and who cares really. I certainly don't think the Simpsons of today is generally created with much integrity or consistency.  But the harsh truth of that contrast, of Morrissey defined for a mainstream worldwide audience in one of the most popular and recognisable shows ever by that rise and fall, well it hits home because it conveys a cruel but also entirely accurate truth for a significant part of his fanbase. I think deep down Morrissey knows this too, which is why he's taking this particularly badly.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: An tSaoi on April 21, 2021, 07:38:19 AM
Saw one the other day where Krusty's ratings are tanking, so they force him to get a co-host. She's a fantasy princess character, who ends up being more popular than Krusty, so it becomes a girls' show. Lisa loves it, and she's in the audience with all the little girls in fairytale dresses. It didn't make sense that Lisa would be into fluffy princess unicorn stuff. I know she likes collecting dolls, so maybe there's some precedent, but it's another sign of how inconsistent the characters can be. Sometimes they write her as an actual eight year old, sometimes she's the most grown up character.

Anyway, the princess actress is in love with Krusty for some reason, and
Spoiler alert
they're about to get married, but he jilts her. Then he goes to Paris to get her back, and they both jump into the Seine, and float off romantically.
[close]
An unironically sappy ending. Not a laugh to be had the whole episode, and a really jarring, rushed ending. Baffling.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: madhair60 on April 21, 2021, 08:14:43 AM
Quote from: easytarget on April 21, 2021, 05:18:22 AM
With no expectations I decided to watch Panic On The Streets Of Springfield (I assume that's the title, it should be).

It was good.

It was not seasons 3->10  solid gold, peak-art, every line diamond tight, this is what television should be level great - but it was fucking good.

Opens with Homer getting a medical exam - which turns into some pretty good USA truck advert parody[nb]Yes, Canyonaro - but more so[/nb] and the ad features a stuck up dean[nb]Yes, Homer Goes to College, shut up poindexter killjoy[/nb] - it's very funny.

Lisa hallucinates/imaginary-friend-s a Morrissey - who is all poisonous and Kenneth Williams about everything. There are a couple of fake Smiths songs which are funny - BUT so well done that they're not a shitty parody - I think they're done by a team that genuinely like(d?) The Smiths. Cumberbatch[nb]Should have been David Morrissey - WHY ARE YOU MISSING THESE OPEN GOALS?[/nb] does a good job singing, his Manchester accent needs work though.

Builds to Lisa attending her first[nb]no[/nb] music festival at which big fat moz is headlining - in which he's revealed to be horribly racist and not even a vegetarian (fires sausages into the crowd, plays a song called 'refuges? again?') - not subtle, very satisfying. 

Story is tum-te-tum too neat meh who cares.

Also - there's loads of shitty, eggy jokes that DON'T work and wouldn't have made the cut in the 90s and it's too dumb and obvious and on the nose but, fucking hell, I was expecting to despise it and it was actually good. I'm almost tempted to check out some other Simpsons from the last 10 years but ... probably not worth it.

I haven't watched it but you are wrong and it is shit.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Mr. Ssmsslth on April 21, 2021, 02:50:01 PM
Quote from: neveragain on April 20, 2021, 06:59:45 PM
Who should have just been called President Wolfcastle really.

Absolutely, but the movie was tailored to audiences who had not seen the show. Not exclusively, obviously, but the writers deliberately avoided references to the series which not everyone would understand. Which (partially) explains why the film was so poor.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: mippy on April 21, 2021, 03:50:30 PM
That's a bizarre way to go. Did they think there would be people who had never seen The Simpsons, but would make the effort to go out and see a film based on popular television show The Simpsons?

I mean, I guess Mark Kermode has seen it.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: icehaven on April 21, 2021, 04:20:36 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ssmsslth on April 21, 2021, 02:50:01 PM
Absolutely, but the movie was tailored to audiences who had not seen the show. Not exclusively, obviously, but the writers deliberately avoided references to the series which not everyone would understand. Which (partially) explains why the film was so poor.

Quote from: mippy on April 21, 2021, 03:50:30 PM
That's a bizarre way to go. Did they think there would be people who had never seen The Simpsons, but would make the effort to go out and see a film based on popular television show The Simpsons?

I mean, I guess Mark Kermode has seen it.

I never knew that, and yes that's extremely odd approach. Were they aiming at a global audience or something? How popular is The Simpsons in foreign markets like China? I'd have thought very but I might be wrong.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Mr. Ssmsslth on April 21, 2021, 05:56:57 PM
Quote from: icehaven on April 21, 2021, 04:20:36 PM
Were they aiming at a global audience or something?

Well, yes, it's a film after all. Also, in case this hasn't been mentioned yet, the villain, Russ Cargill, was originally supposed to be Hank Scorpio but this was changed due to test audiences not recognizing him.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Pink Gregory on April 21, 2021, 06:26:33 PM
Quote from: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on April 20, 2021, 09:47:57 PM
Saw "Day of the Jackanapes" last night.

"I think it's good for a show to go off the air before it becomes stale and repetitive."

Season. 12.

Watching season 12 at the minute and there's quite a good run of episodes after the *dreadful* boy band and tennis episodes.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on April 21, 2021, 07:11:40 PM
One of the things that gets me about modern (shit) Simpsons is how oblivious it is to the change in the media landscape it exists in.

In old (good) Simpsons, one of the major factors was always how ephemeral pop culture was and so many jokes and set ups were based on stuff from the very near past suddenly being alien or unintelligible to younger characters or just the general weirdness of a world being full of shit from the recent past that doesn't mean anything to anyone anymore. Both "where's the beef" and "Yahoo Serious Festival" were references to stuff that was less than a decade old. Obviously without digital media Lisa wouldn't know what they were. Homer's flashbacks to his younger self presented like they were memories from generations ago, instead of a thirty something remembering his twenties - because his life had changed so much the recent past seems that remote. Changes in pop culture, fads and forgotten celebrities, were poignant and funny things to point out. This seems like an essential part of the Simpsons.

Now everything exists and persists forever in a continuum of digital raw sewage and Shimtsons goes on with its reference humour without any sense of the change. Even though any cultural context for that kind of humour, and the part that pop culture and media fads play in peoples lives has changed forever. Fucking Morrissey parody, really? I remember thinking this when they did a World of Warcraft parody, and that has to be over a decade ago by now.

Quote from: ajsmith2 on April 21, 2021, 07:24:55 AM
the way it reflects how young Morrissey is an eternal Peter Pan like friend to generations of depressed young adolescents, (of which Lisa is, pretty awkwardly, the Simpsons cast closest analogue) and the tragedy of how the reality of the older man he turned out to be could never compare.

Even sadder is that the young (still racist but potentially redeemable) Morrissey anticipated this about himself and wrote a bleeding blues song about it!

Is "Rubber Ring" referenced in the episode, I wonder.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on April 21, 2021, 07:38:47 PM
The Simpsons aged out twenty years ago and should have gone off the air at least fifteen years ago. If they wanted to keep going they could have tried an All Grown Up style spin-off with Bart in high school, Lisa in middle school and Maggie as a young child. It would have opened up possibilities for teen-centred storylines if nothing else, and it would be easier to buy into the floating timeline ( ten seasons of show = five years real time for example). But hey it's all just a stupid cartoon so who cares about canon, say the writers.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on April 21, 2021, 07:41:10 PM
"The City Of New York Versus Homer Simpson" should've been the last episode.

Quote from: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on April 21, 2021, 07:38:47 PM
If they wanted to keep going they could have tried an All Grown Up style spin-off with Bart in high school, Lisa in middle school and Maggie as a young child. It would have opened up possibilities for teen-centred storylines if nothing else, and it would be easier to buy into the floating timeline ( ten seasons of show = five years real time for example). But hey it's all just a stupid cartoon so who cares about canon, say the writers.

I like the idea that they were either going to do a more sketch based show like the "21 Stories" episode, which Fox would have probably put a stop to or even better, the live action Krusty/Troy Maclure ideas with Hartman, which could have conceivably happened and could have been as excellent as Larry Sanders and Alan Partridge. The ingredients were all there.

New Simpsons I hate the most is the mid-teen episodes to the middle of season twenty, when the scripts are at their absolute tasteless and illogical worst but the cast are still giving it a good go. Depressing stuff.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on April 21, 2021, 09:05:05 PM
I'm hoping Season 19 was the absolute nadir. It was when it was regularly outright offensive.

It is more bland where I'm up to now but at least it isn't regularly offensive. Plus they stopped the TV from falling off the wall.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: purlieu on April 21, 2021, 09:17:25 PM
I find this all very fascinating, because on my last Simpsons marathon I bailed about six episodes into season 10, which I found unwatchable. I've seen "later" (season 12-14) episodes and found them unwatchable2. In my mind, none of these episodes discussed here even exist. Part of my brain can't actually comprehend the fact that these have been written and made and broadcast.

Anyway, keep up the good work, James. I suppose someone has to.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on April 21, 2021, 09:30:30 PM
Quote from: purlieu on April 21, 2021, 09:17:25 PM
I find this all very fascinating, because on my last Simpsons marathon I bailed about six episodes into season 10, which I found unwatchable. I've seen "later" (season 12-14) episodes and found them unwatchable2. In my mind, none of these episodes discussed here even exist. Part of my brain can't actually comprehend the fact that these have been written and made and broadcast.

The seventh episode of Season 10 includes my favourite B plot in all of The Simpsons. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VunWdHCjbI8) I love Pinchy.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: king_tubby on April 21, 2021, 09:32:20 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ssmsslth on April 21, 2021, 05:56:57 PM
Well, yes, it's a film after all. Also, in case this hasn't been mentioned yet, the villain, Russ Cargill, was originally supposed to be Hank Scorpio but this was changed due to test audiences not recognizing him.

Wait, what? Who the fuck is Russ Cargill? If that character was made up for the film why would it matter if Hank Scorpio wasn't recognised by test audiences for the film?
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Jumblegraws on April 21, 2021, 10:17:17 PM
Quote from: king_tubby on April 21, 2021, 09:32:20 PM
Wait, what? Who the fuck is Russ Cargill? If that character was made up for the film why would it matter if Hank Scorpio wasn't recognised by test audiences for the film?
Presumably the script had stuff that wouldn't have made much sense if you hadn't seen the Hank Scorpio episode
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: king_tubby on April 21, 2021, 10:44:50 PM
Quote from: Jumblegraws on April 21, 2021, 10:17:17 PM
Presumably the script had stuff that wouldn't have made much sense if you hadn't seen the Hank Scorpio episode

But he was just a generic Bond villain. If you're trying to pitch something to an audience who are entirely ignorant of James Bond, then what is your audience?
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on April 21, 2021, 10:55:52 PM
i think there was also an issue for him as an antagonist in that the Simpsons never recognised him as one. i dont think it ever got to test audience stage.

the president Schwarzenegger was so weird though considering they have total simulacrum of him in their universe, and he didn't even do the voice
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on April 21, 2021, 11:15:50 PM
I wonder if this was a long running debate for the writers since the villain of the Kamp Krusty story moted for the first attempt at the movie was the practically anonymous replacement in a suit Mr Black. Supposed to be a reoccuring villain but he never came back.
(https://i.imgur.com/TnevwDw.jpeg)
President Schwarzenegger definitely had the feel of something that was a product of a long boring debate rather than an actual joke
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Mr. Ssmsslth on April 22, 2021, 11:45:22 AM
Quote from: king_tubby on April 21, 2021, 09:32:20 PM
If that character was made up for the film why would it matter if Hank Scorpio wasn't recognised by test audiences for the film?

That's exactly what I thought when I first heard about this! But it is mentioned on the DVD commentary.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on April 22, 2021, 11:50:15 AM
Khan was in a single episode of Star Trek from 15 years earlier before when he was the main villain in Wrath of Khan. Hank Scorpio could easily have been the main villain, they just needed to write it in a way that it didn't matter if you had seen the earlier episode.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: purlieu on April 22, 2021, 01:01:21 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on April 21, 2021, 09:30:30 PM
The seventh episode of Season 10 includes my favourite B plot in all of The Simpsons. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VunWdHCjbI8) I love Pinchy.
Yes, that's probably the best bit of the whole season. It still felt like a stretch for me, though.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Blumf on April 22, 2021, 01:10:19 PM
Don't think Scorpio would have worked in the Cargill role, at least for those of us who know who he is.

However, I wonder if a script that had Hank making a second attempt on the US would have made a good film. Have him re-hire Homer and we follow the Simpsons around seeing things from the opposite end of a James Bond story. Maybe have the whole town employed as henchmen.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: thr0b on April 22, 2021, 02:11:54 PM
Scorpio would've been a crap villain, and would've required some writing around. The Simpsons never saw him as a villain, only the audience did. So for the plot to work, you'd have to spend a good portion of the film re-establishing the character and making the Simpsons note that he is and always was a villain.

Far simpler to just introduce a character who is an out-and-out villain or just use Burns, who was always an out-and-out villain.

Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: thr0b on April 22, 2021, 02:12:34 PM
NO.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on April 22, 2021, 02:52:05 PM
Just realised that the longer The Simpsons goes on, the higher the chance they do "Who Shot Mr Burns Again!"

It is going to happen at some point, innit?
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on April 22, 2021, 03:25:04 PM
Quote from: thr0b on April 22, 2021, 02:11:54 PM
Scorpio would've been a crap villain, and would've required some writing around. The Simpsons never saw him as a villain, only the audience did. So for the plot to work, you'd have to spend a good portion of the film re-establishing the character and making the Simpsons note that he is and always was a villain.

Yeah. Scorpio working depended on no established characters acting as though they're in a James Bond parody. I have no faith that they'd have used to character without having Homer do James Bond shit for half the film.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on April 22, 2021, 03:26:27 PM
He'd have said "Simpson. Homer, Simpson" to the Krusty Burger booth and insisted that someone shake a donut or made martinis with Duff.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Jerzy Bondov on April 22, 2021, 03:29:32 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCNwD2Wjdz0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCNwD2Wjdz0) Always found this quite funny, just because of the way Homer is smiling
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on April 22, 2021, 03:40:54 PM
That made me laugh.

Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: petril on April 22, 2021, 04:19:57 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on April 22, 2021, 02:52:05 PM
Just realised that the longer The Simpsons goes on, the higher the chance they do "Who Shot Mr Burns Again!"

It is going to happen at some point, innit?

they'd definitely kill him off and make that the premise of the episode. that they're killing off a tired character. one.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Bernice on April 22, 2021, 04:22:21 PM
Mr Burns has a gay cousin who brings the tips of his fingers together and says "fabulous".
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: thr0b on April 22, 2021, 04:53:44 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on April 22, 2021, 02:52:05 PM
Just realised that the longer The Simpsons goes on, the higher the chance they do "Who Shot Mr Burns Again!"

It is going to happen at some point, innit?

Season 12.

https://comb.io/u6PUJl
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Pink Gregory on April 22, 2021, 07:48:17 PM
Isn't Harry Shearer not on the show any more? 

I suppose it's different to voice actors who do one character being dropped.

Say, since Martin's VA died is he still around?
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: ajsmith2 on April 22, 2021, 08:34:02 PM
Harry Shearers still on the show. He's threatened to quit roughly a billion times, but never followed through. His POC characters have recently been given over to POC actors though.

Martin's still on the show, they just got a replacement voice actor in, and no one can tell the diddly-ifference (except many have observed that they can).
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Pink Gregory on April 22, 2021, 08:35:25 PM
For God's sake Harry, just do it.  You'll be a hero.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on April 22, 2021, 08:41:10 PM
Quote from: ajsmith2 on April 22, 2021, 08:34:02 PM
Martin's still on the show, they just got a replacement voice actor in.

Backup Martha

(https://frinkiac.com/meme/S06E08/196128.jpg?b64lines=)
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Old Nehamkin on May 02, 2021, 03:44:00 PM
In surprising but very welcome news, John Swartzwelder has just done his first ever major interview:

https://www.newyorker.com/culture/the-new-yorker-interview/john-swartzwelder-sage-of-the-simpsons
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on May 02, 2021, 06:36:54 PM
Too bad this isn't really John Swartzwelder though!
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: wrec on May 02, 2021, 09:28:43 PM
Funny that he won't be drawn on Zombie Simpsons discourse but cites season 3 as the peak
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: up_the_hampipe on May 02, 2021, 11:09:20 PM
Quote from: Old Nehamkin on May 02, 2021, 03:44:00 PM
In surprising but very welcome news, John Swartzwelder has just done his first ever major interview:

https://www.newyorker.com/culture/the-new-yorker-interview/john-swartzwelder-sage-of-the-simpsons

This feels monumentous enough to warrant its own thread, but I'm very tired.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Thursday on May 03, 2021, 12:28:05 PM
So many incredible quotes throughout that interview.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on May 03, 2021, 01:05:20 PM
The stuff about him working from home and getting the dining booth installed in his home wasn't due to smoking! Myth busted. He just wanted to work from home and finds dining booths a good place to write.

Also agree with this:
Quote from: John SwartzwelderGrimey was asking for it the whole episode. He didn't approve of our Homer. He was asking for it, and he got it.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Rich Uncle Skeleton on May 03, 2021, 03:34:33 PM
Quote from: up_the_hampipe on May 02, 2021, 11:09:20 PM
This feels monumentous enough to warrant its own thread, but I'm very tired.

Agreed! Get this split from shit simpsons
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on May 03, 2021, 07:27:40 PM
Season 22 - Episode 1 - Elementary School Musical

Not to be confused with the South Park episode titled Elementary School Musical which aired two years earlier. SOUTH PARK DID IT!

Lisa and another bunch of nerd kids are watching the Nobel Price announcements on TV. Krusty wins the Novel Peace Prize.  Krusty picks Homer to go to Oslo with him to accept the award because he is so easy to make laugh and Homer gets Bart to tag along. Lisa is jealous. Marge makes Lisa feel better by taking her to performance arts camp. All the kids at the camp sing and dance. The Flight of the Concords guys are there as counsellors.

Turns out Krusty wasn't going to Oslo to accept an award, he was there to answer for crimes such as dropping a monkey of the Eiffel Tower. Flight of the Concords do a song and then Steven Hawking turns up with a turntable and a gold E=mc2 necklace. The week is up and Lisa is sad which is the plot of the episode.

Lisa goes to school but is depressed that she can't express herself the way she can at arts camp. Homer and Bart must find evidence of Krusty doing good works to free him from prison. Lisa is still sad at the dinner table and then she sneaks out at night. She tracks down The Flight of the Concords guys at a rundown flat in a dodgy neighbourhood (Sprooklyn). The Flight of the Concords do a song about how being an artist is bad.

Homer and Bart arrive at Krusty's trial with a DVD with information which can free Krusty but it is on a Region 1 DVD so they cannot play it. However one of the judges says he has a multi-region DVD player so it is all okay. Turns out Krusty accidentally freed Nelson Mandela because he refused to perform at Sun City until he was brought some potato chips. Lisa goes home but the Flight of the Concords guys do some mural for her which is supposed to be heartfelt but isn't. Then the Flight of the Concords go to their job as sandwich artists at Sprubway.

3/10
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Blumf on May 03, 2021, 08:00:43 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on May 03, 2021, 07:27:40 PM
Then the Flight of the Concords go to their job as sandwich artists at Sprubway.

American Dad's take on Subway is 'Sub Hub' which a) sounds a lot more like a real business name, and b) actually reference 'sub' in it's name, the important bit that actually means long sandwich, what the fuck is a sprub here?

'Mapple', 'Blocko'... Zombie Simpsons is crap at these details.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on May 03, 2021, 08:12:29 PM
Quote from: Blumf on May 03, 2021, 08:00:43 PM
American Dad's take on Subway is 'Sub Hub' which a) sounds a lot more like a real business name, and b) actually reference 'sub' in it's name, the important bit that actually means long sandwich, what the fuck is a sprub here?

'Mapple', 'Blocko'... Zombie Simpsons is crap at these details.

I had to actually look it up. It is because they live in Sprooklyn. Which is shit.

There is some really shit brand name parodies in modern Simpsons. Funtendo Zii. Mapple. MyTube. MyPad.

On the subject of brand parodies: I hear you're a racist now Simpsons? (https://simpsons.fandom.com/wiki/Toys_%22L%22_Us)
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on May 03, 2021, 08:34:03 PM
what angers me most of all is that the L isn't backwards
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: dissolute ocelot on May 03, 2021, 08:34:26 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on May 03, 2021, 07:27:40 PM
Season 22 - Episode 1 - Elementary School Musical

Not to be confused with the South Park episode titled Elementary School Musical which aired two years earlier. SOUTH PARK DID IT!

Lisa and another bunch of nerd kids are watching the Nobel Price announcements on TV. Krusty wins the Novel Peace Prize.  Krusty picks Homer to go to Oslo with him to accept the award because he is so easy to make laugh and Homer gets Bart to tag along. Lisa is jealous. Marge makes Lisa feel better by taking her to performance arts camp. All the kids at the camp sing and dance. The Flight of the Concords guys are there as counsellors.
I saw this the other day. The Lisa plot is quite sweet, although indifferently done, and the notion that Springfield has versions of everything called Spreverything really gets old quick. The Krusty plot is nonsensical in so many ways. The Nobel Prizes are announced over 6 days[nb]Including economics, which doesn't really count because it wasn't one of Alfred Nobel's original choices, and the Scandies passed a law afterwards to stop anyone making up any more Nobel prizes[/nb], 1 per day, not all at once! And it's widely reported in the news, and it does seem like the writers didn't know the difference between Sweden and the Netherlands when they thought of the episode, although it still doesn't explain anything.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Master Cylinder on May 04, 2021, 02:44:41 AM
Up to Season 22! I'll wait until Scorpion's Tale and read your take on old people's eyeballs popping out and no its not a THOH.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: dissolute ocelot on May 08, 2021, 03:03:58 PM
Was just watching Bart Sells His Soul (series 7), which is a perfect example of how you can take a silly concept that could easily be a terrible late-Simpsons story, and make it work when everyone is at the top of their game. Bart is so dejected, thanks to the voice acting and brilliant animation; Marge is sympathetic but not getting it; Lisa is gently teasing him; Milhouse sounding extra weary and pathetic; Ralph not getting it - all the reactions are so believable and in character that it makes the central conceit work. Some just heartbreaking little moments, like Marge telling him he must have a soul because "you're not a monster" and Bart seeing his sad face reflected in the pest control guy's visor. It treats the idea that Bart has sold his soul with exactly the right amount of seriousness. (And it doesn't hurt that it has a great Moe B-plot.)
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Blumf on May 08, 2021, 05:27:30 PM
And has one of the all time great joke sequences:

(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/a7/dc/c3/a7dcc3cb6909b74718e5b755a79719b6.jpg)
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Lungpuddle on May 08, 2021, 05:57:10 PM
Quote from: Blumf on May 08, 2021, 05:27:30 PM
And has one of the all time great joke sequences:

(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/a7/dc/c3/a7dcc3cb6909b74718e5b755a79719b6.jpg)

I like it!
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: madhair60 on May 08, 2021, 06:08:19 PM
Up there with this one

(https://frinkiac.com/video/S06E15/v1Yy0DhUvxltVB_50k3oSGvZjOQ=.gif)
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Rich Uncle Skeleton on May 09, 2021, 03:05:55 AM
Snrubway
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Master Cylinder on May 09, 2021, 03:39:55 AM
Quote from: dissolute ocelot on May 08, 2021, 03:03:58 PM
Was just watching Bart Sells His Soul (series 7), which is a perfect example of how you can take a silly concept that could easily be a terrible late-Simpsons story, and make it work when everyone is at the top of their game. Bart is so dejected, thanks to the voice acting and brilliant animation; Marge is sympathetic but not getting it; Lisa is gently teasing him; Milhouse sounding extra weary and pathetic; Ralph not getting it - all the reactions are so believable and in character that it makes the central conceit work. Some just heartbreaking little moments, like Marge telling him he must have a soul because "you're not a monster" and Bart seeing his sad face reflected in the pest control guy's visor. It treats the idea that Bart has sold his soul with exactly the right amount of seriousness. (And it doesn't hurt that it has a great Moe B-plot.)


Even something small as the straight-forward title of "Bart Sells His Soul". Nowadays it'd be called something stupid  like "No Soul Again, Naturally".
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on May 20, 2021, 08:45:30 PM
A small diversion from the normal episodes, I heard today that the shorts on Disney+ are absolutely terrible so I thought I would watch the latest one.

Maggie Simpsons in: The Force Awakens From Its Nap

Maggie refuses the Ayn Rand daycare so is sent to some Star Wars themed daycare which has droids, Jedi and babies being put in time out by being frozen in carbonite. BB8 steals Maggie's bow, then gets bumped around by other BB8s and then baby Death Maul murders him. Maggie turns her dummy into a lightsaber and they have a fight. Maggie gets crushed under a bookcase and dies. Maggie flies off as a spirit with big Yoda ears.

Fucking shit. Waste of fucking time. 3 minutes of my life I'll never get back.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Old Nehamkin on May 20, 2021, 08:53:22 PM
Quote from: madhair60 on May 08, 2021, 06:08:19 PM
Up there with this one

(https://frinkiac.com/video/S06E15/v1Yy0DhUvxltVB_50k3oSGvZjOQ=.gif)

Love the next bit in that sequence where Homer brakes again and all the cars behind him just pile up and fucking explode in a massive fireball from which there can clearly be no survivors. I feel like seasons 5 and 6 featured more casual, gratuitous death than any other era of the show.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Consignia on May 20, 2021, 09:01:08 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on May 20, 2021, 08:45:30 PM
A small diversion from the normal episodes, I heard today that the shorts on Disney+ are absolutely terrible so I thought I would watch the latest one.

Maggie Simpsons in: The Force Awakens From Its Nap

Maggie refuses the Ayn Rand daycare so is sent to some Star Wars themed daycare which has droids, Jedi and babies being put in time out by being frozen in carbonite. BB8 steals Maggie's bow, then gets bumped around by other BB8s and then baby Death Maul murders him. Maggie turns her dummy into a lightsaber and they have a fight. Maggie gets crushed under a bookcase and dies. Maggie flies off as a spirit with big Yoda ears.

Fucking shit. Waste of fucking time. 3 minutes of my life I'll never get back.

Just watched it on your recommendation. Bleh. It'd be nice if there were some jokes, rather than a stream of Star Wars references.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: thr0b on May 21, 2021, 10:19:43 AM
Especially as Family Guy did it years ago.

(And in a way that doesn't isolate non-Star Wars fans, by still actually being funny whether or not you get all the references to the over-rated effects franchise that is just a dull western in space.)
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on May 21, 2021, 10:25:41 AM
I applauded because I know Star Wars.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JaDanketies on May 21, 2021, 10:31:56 AM
I thought the Family Guy Star Wars episodes were unwatchable, as I'm not a big Star Wars fan. The jokes were definitely in-jokes.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: thr0b on May 21, 2021, 10:51:47 AM
Quote from: JaDanketies on May 21, 2021, 10:31:56 AM
I thought the Family Guy Star Wars episodes were unwatchable, as I'm not a big Star Wars fan. The jokes were definitely in-jokes.

I avoid them if they're on. I know enough of the references to get the jokes.

And "A long time ago, in a galaxy far far away, but also somehow in the future" is a good joke.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Consignia on May 21, 2021, 01:35:27 PM
Despite being about 53 times longer, the Family Guy version is still not as tedious and joyless as that Simpsons short. I'm no particular fan of those Family Guy episodes, and I've barely seen any Star Wars, but they at least work on their own terms, with diminishing returns.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on May 21, 2021, 11:17:51 PM
Rewatched "Marge vs. the Monorail" this evening and notice that Main Street is cracked and broken in two more scenes after Marge draws attention to its woeful condition. OMG continuity. Speaking of Main Street, there's a fantastic moment when Marge says "Those potholes are becoming a real nuisance" and this happens:

https://youtu.be/R2GqCugBVO4?t=107

Quote from: Old Nehamkin on May 20, 2021, 08:53:22 PM
Love the next bit in that sequence where Homer brakes again and all the cars behind him just pile up and fucking explode in a massive fireball from which there can clearly be no survivors. I feel like seasons 5 and 6 featured more casual, gratuitous death than any other era of the show.

I thought of this while watching the closing scene of "Marge vs. the Monorail" - you know the one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcU95OeY48I

What's gratuitous death but the most extreme form of slapstick?
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: thr0b on May 22, 2021, 01:23:46 PM
Always loved that bit. It's the Lemmings-style death AND sound effects, isn't it?
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on May 22, 2021, 01:45:13 PM
I love Hank Azaria's "woah" just as the popcorn truck falls in the pot hole
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: thr0b on May 27, 2021, 07:50:07 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/v3R5py0/7-F0-D3-D63-070-E-4-B33-8-C5-B-2-B679025533-F.jpg) (https://ibb.co/8rt3qv1)

An episode set within Homer's subconscious. Only just caught it. It's quite fun.

I always enjoy it when it references the Ullman era.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: frajer on May 27, 2021, 09:11:13 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on May 03, 2021, 07:27:40 PM
Season 22 - Episode 1 - Elementary School Musical
Homer and Bart arrive at Krusty's trial with a DVD with information which can free Krusty but it is on a Region 1 DVD so they cannot play it. However one of the judges says he has a multi-region DVD player so it is all okay.

Just had to explain to Mrs frajer why I said "fuckin hell."

Fair play, whenever I think The Simpsons has reached the bottom they find more barrel to scrape.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: neveragain on May 27, 2021, 09:54:22 PM
Quote from: thr0b on May 27, 2021, 07:50:07 PM
An episode set within Homer's subconscious. Only just caught it. It's quite fun.
I always enjoy it when it references the Ullman era.

Which episode is this please?
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: thr0b on May 27, 2021, 11:57:33 PM
Not a clue. It was the episode on Sky 1 at 7.30 tonight.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Wezzo on May 28, 2021, 09:53:04 AM
Quote from: neveragain on May 27, 2021, 09:54:22 PM
Which episode is this please?

"How I Wet Your Mother".
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: samadriel on May 28, 2021, 10:16:24 AM
Oh Christ, that's it's real name...
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: St_Eddie on May 28, 2021, 06:53:22 PM
Quote from: samadriel on May 28, 2021, 10:16:24 AM
Oh Christ, that's it's real name...

I just looked the plot up on Wiki and it's an episode long parody of Inception and features Homer wearing adult diapers because he keeps wetting the bed.

...Yeah, I'm not gonna be watching that just for a short scene where the characters are drawn in the style of the Ullman era.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on May 28, 2021, 07:41:05 PM
Thinking of watching a few episodes tonight. Reading up on the upcoming episodes. I have lots to look forward to such as Bart selling nuclear secrets to the Chinese, Lisa dreaming of an Inglorious Basterds style Christmas, Fat Tony's cousin Fit Tony and Bart and Homer getting an Oscar nomination.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on May 28, 2021, 08:47:03 PM
Season 22 - Episode 2 - Loan-a Lisa

The couch gag ends with the family being put to death.

The kids are watching Itchy and Scratchy on the way back from church. The family then visit Grandpa who tells them that he has decided to give the family their inheritance now which is $50 each. The family go to Costingtons to spend the money. Bart pays Gil to walk up the wrong way of the escalator. Marge buys a posh handbag but didn't realise it was $500 but is too embarrassed to not buy it.

Homer: $500? That's like 10 dead Grandpas.

Marge agrees to take it back but Homer insists on a great night out with the bag first so they go to a posh restaurant and get treated well because of the bag. Marge is worried about the bag getting stained. Lisa learns about loans to impoverished areas of the world on the internet. Lisa finds Springfield on the website and finds that Nelson wants to start a business so she donates her money to him which is the plot of the episode.

Marge returns the bag despite a stain on it. Homer points out that she got to enjoy the bag and then return it. Nelson's business is about redesigning bikes to make them cool and it is booming. Lenny and Carl visit the Simpson household and it is full of expensive goods but they are all still wrapped and have all the price tags on them. Lisa tells Nelson that she was the one who sent him the loan but he tells her that his business doing so well means he can quit school. Lisa feels bad as is standard.

Chris Hansen confronts Homer about his returning items after using them. That's the end of that plot. Nelson and Lisa go to an entrepreneur expo. Mark Zuckerberg is there and talks about how great dropping out of school is or something. Grandpa tells Lisa something about how money can't change who people are so Lisa goes to bare her heart to Nelson but all of the bikes he worked on have fallen apart and everybody demands a refund. The episode ends  with Mark Zuckerberg falling over and making a post on Facebook about it.

3/10


Reading the reviews written up on Wikipedia after watching the episode is usually the most amusing part of the Modern Simpsons experience.

QuoteRowan Kaiser of The A.V. Club gave the episode a grade of B- said "spending time with The Simpsons tends to make me happy, and nothing about this episode was particularly terrible".
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on May 28, 2021, 09:13:13 PM
Season 22 - Episode 3 - MoneyBart

Banksy dun a couch gag. So self-deprecating of them! They are so cool and hip and with it.

The episode opens with "Who's That Lady" playing and a sexy new woman arriving at the school. Dahlia is an old student who then went to Yale. Lisa talks herself up but Dahlia tells her that her extracurricular activities are not enough for an Ivy League school. Flanders knocks at the Simpsons household to tell Bart that he is resigning as the Little League coach and Homer doesn't want to do it. Bart looks for a new hobby but then finds Lisa has taken over as coach as an extracurricular activity which is the plot of the episode.

Lisa knows nothing about Baseball. Milhouse appears to reveal his parents are brother and sister. Lisa goes to Moe's to learn about Baseball but it is like that bit in Moneyball where all the coaches are old school. Then Lisa finds Frink and the three nerds talking about Baseball. The nerds all find the stats behind Baseball interesting and give Lisa a book about it. The team start winning due to Lisa using stats like that bit in Moneyball where the team start winning because of stats. Bart hates the stats approach so decides to go against it like that bit in Moneyball in which Philip Seymour Hoffman goes against the stats approach.

Lisa drops Bart from the team despite him hitting a home run. The team are annoyed at Lisa but she says the home run was a fluke. Bart and Lisa are fighting at the dinner table. Homer does some funnies. Marge wants the family to stick together. Homer backs Lisa. Bart becomes a Little League commentator. The team are still winning so Bart is sad. Marge takes Bart to the fair on the day of a big game. Lisa calls Bart as she wants him back as Ralph is too "juiced" to continue. Mike Scioscia has recovered from his radiation poisoning to convince Bart to return to the team.

Bart returns and doesn't listen to Lisa again. The whole crowd get excited and Lisa realises that although it is statistically improbable it is still exciting so I guess that makes it okay for some reason. Bart fails to make the home run and the team lose. Lisa and Bart make up. Credits roll.

3/10

It is funny that before I watched Moneyball that most of my knowledge about Baseball came from The Simpsons.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: thr0b on May 28, 2021, 09:25:53 PM
Unrelatedly.

https://youtu.be/-ymOWS-z7kg
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: buttgammon on May 29, 2021, 09:05:50 AM
Quote from: JamesTC on May 28, 2021, 08:47:03 PM
Season 22 - Episode 2 - Loan-a Lisa

The couch gag ends with the family being put to death.

Wow...if only they took the hint.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Pauline Walnuts on May 29, 2021, 11:48:52 AM
Quote from: samadriel on May 28, 2021, 10:16:24 AM
Oh Christ, that's it's real name...

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It's just depressing isn't it?

Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on May 29, 2021, 12:23:55 PM
Ian Maxtone-Graham is such an unfunny cunt
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on May 29, 2021, 12:26:31 PM
Was funnier in Season 12

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Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JaDanketies on May 29, 2021, 12:33:32 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on May 29, 2021, 12:26:31 PM
Was funnier in Season 12

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Isn't that from the infamous panda-rape episode
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Pauline Walnuts on May 29, 2021, 12:34:09 PM
That was a real 'raped by a panda' moment.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on May 29, 2021, 01:38:20 PM
Quote from: JaDanketies on May 29, 2021, 12:33:32 PM
Isn't that from the infamous panda-rape episode

Yeah. Burns makes Homer do humiliating stuff in public.

In fairness, that "baby made a boom boom" bit is quite funny.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Leej88 on May 30, 2021, 09:53:29 AM
The show used to be so funny and never cared what people thought of it now it is a shell of its former self PC and giving into peer pressure changing voice actors like anyone cared till the snowflakes made a big deal about it would love to see it put out its misery.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on May 30, 2021, 09:54:29 AM
The show has been shit for fifteen years you delusional tool
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: madhair60 on May 30, 2021, 09:59:50 AM
Quote from: Leej88 on May 30, 2021, 09:53:29 AM
The show used to be so funny and never cared what people thought of it now it is a shell of its former self PC and giving into peer pressure changing voice actors like anyone cared till the snowflakes made a big deal about it would love to see it put out its misery.

Please leave immediately and without fuss
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on May 30, 2021, 10:10:24 AM
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Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: dissolute ocelot on May 30, 2021, 11:37:49 AM
Quote from: St_Eddie on May 28, 2021, 06:53:22 PM
I just looked the plot up on Wiki and it's an episode long parody of Inception and features Homer wearing adult diapers because he keeps wetting the bed.
In fairness making an incomprehensible, emotionless parody of Inception is pretty accurate. I often have the Simpsons on for background noise as I'm making dinner/walking around my house, and sometimes you can tell by the animation style changing that a new episode has started, but in the bland CG widescreen years, you can almost never tell by the plot.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Catalogue Trousers on May 30, 2021, 07:12:25 PM
QuotePlease leave immediately and without fuss

Seconded. Please trust me, it'll be painful for you here.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: brat-sampson on May 30, 2021, 07:25:49 PM
Quote from: Leej88 on May 30, 2021, 09:53:29 AM
The show used to be so funny and never cared what people thought of it now it is a shell of its former self PC and giving into peer pressure changing voice actors like anyone cared till the snowflakes made a big deal about it would love to see it put out its misery.

Nobody cared until some people who actually did care spoke up about it. If only the people who cared had stayed in their place, nobody would've cared.

Madhair's right, you're not gonna have a great time here. Entirely unrelated, but I heard we have an Ignore User option now.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on May 30, 2021, 07:35:20 PM
Anybody who thinks modern Simpsons is more "woke" (progressive) has a warped view of the world.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: neveragain on May 30, 2021, 10:05:39 PM
Quote from: Catalogue Trousers on May 30, 2021, 07:12:25 PM
Seconded.

Fifthed.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Dex Sawash on May 31, 2021, 03:01:30 AM
Quote from: JamesTC on January 27, 2021, 09:51:28 PM
Season 21 - Episode 3 - The Great Wife Hope

I have a penis and everything.



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Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Kankurette on May 31, 2021, 03:03:16 AM
Quote from: Leej88 on May 30, 2021, 09:53:29 AM
The show used to be so funny and never cared what people thought of it now it is a shell of its former self PC and giving into peer pressure changing voice actors like anyone cared till the snowflakes made a big deal about it would love to see it put out its misery.
Oh do be quiet. Snowflakes. Oy vey.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Kankurette on May 31, 2021, 03:05:43 AM
Quote from: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on May 30, 2021, 09:54:29 AM
The show has been shit for fifteen years you delusional tool
I think the last time it made me laugh was in 2003. Also, the panda rape is fairly recent and that's hardly PC, but Lee is clearly rump ravaged about Apu.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: chveik on May 31, 2021, 03:07:22 AM
Quote from: Kankurette on May 31, 2021, 03:05:43 AM
Also, the panda rape is fairly recent and that's hardly PC

21 years ago apparently. how time flies in the garbage simpsons universe
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Kankurette on May 31, 2021, 03:13:31 AM
Christ on a bike, I feel old.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on May 31, 2021, 03:46:11 AM
Tomacco, the revenge of the dolphins, Saddlesore Galactica, the leprosy episode and Maude dying all came within a few years around 2000 and at the time it felt like a death spiral a beloved series would never recover from. An astonishing run of shit from something that was only a few years after such highs. Just thinking about what were considered "bad" episodes in season 8 and 9 compared to 11 and 12...

It wasn't just the lack of good jokes, it was the mean spiritedness and wedging cruelty into every plot to the point of absurdity. Hard to believe it went on for another two decades in exactly the same spirit with only a short period where it seemed to pick up again.

A least you rarely see people list the Tokyo episode and HOMR as classics anymore.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on June 04, 2021, 08:43:35 PM
Season 22 - Episode 4 - Treehouse of Horror XXI

Homer and Bart are carving pumpkins when a pumpkin falls on Homer's head and lights on fire. Then there is a DVR joke with Frink and then he kills himself. Frankenstein arrives and says he is going to watch The Office. The opening titles to the episode are a parody of the opening to The Office US with monsters.

War and Pieces

Bart and Milhouse are playing a violent Zii game when Marge tells them they should play a board game instead. They find a dusty old game called Jumanji Satan's Path. They start playing but the game turns all the other board game into reality. Chief Wiggum is killed by a huge chess piece. Selma plays that dating game with the door but ends up with Kang and or Kodos. Homer plays shoots and ladders. Slinkies destroy the car. The guy from Operation is huge and rampaging. Bart and Milhouse get sunk on a battleship. Tod and Rod get killed by Kerplunk. Bart beats Mousetrap, which saves the day for some reason. Bart and Milhouse are returned to the house and everything is back to normal. Bart says in future they will just play hangman and then Bart and Milhouse are on gallows and get killed. End of section.

Did nobody in the writers room point out the striking resemblance this segment has to the one about mascots coming to life? Christ, if they'd just done a straight-up Jumanji parody, at least it would have been something they hadn't done before.

2/10

Master and Cadaver

Marge is on a rental boat when a shark climbs on and then Homer crawls out of its mouth. Homer and Marge are on a second honeymoon in uncharted waters. They come across a castaway called Roger and they rescue him. Homer is annoyed. The castaway tells the story of how he was fled his boat because his employer poisoned everybody on it using a pie he had baked. Homer tells Marge that he thinks he killed everybody. Roger then offers Homer and Marge a pie so he throw it overboard. Marge is angry but then sees the shark dead with pie around its mouth. Homer and Marge realise they need to kill Roger. Homer and Marge kill him and throw him overboard.

Homer and Marge then come across Roger's boat and find that Roger was telling the truth. Roger turns up as he didn't die and he confirms that the shark died from the fuel leaking out the back of the boat. Shot of loads of dead fish and then a huge octopus in a big oil trail at the back of the boat (I mention this because it actually made me laugh for one brief moment of this episode). Homer kills Roger so he doesn't tell anybody that they tried to kill him. Then it turns out that all the people on the boat had the antidote but Homer kills them all so nobody would ever tell. Marge then eats the pie and dies because she cannot live with the guilt. We zoom out the boat to find it is Maggie in the bath and Homer and Marge are pondering what she is thinking about and then Maggie looks like Malcolm McDowell from A Clockwork Orange and pulls out the Alex hat.

2/10

Tweenlight

FFS

Lisa falls in love with a vampire. Otto nearly drives into Lisa but the vampire blocks the bus using his superpowers. Then he does the same with Burns and Krusty who also happen to be driving into Lisa. Lisa and Vampire go to dark forest. Milhouse is angry and he becomes a poodle. Lisa has invited the vampire to dinner. The vampire is 400 years old and is going out with an 8-year-old. The family eat Flanders. The vampire's dad plays Jazz. Vampire and Lisa leave because vampire is embarrassed of his Dracula dad. Homer and vampire dad go to find them. Lisa and vampire climb a tower. Lisa realises she doesn't want to be 8 forever but the vampire had bloodlust so still tries to bite her. Homer protects her so the vampire and vampire dad bite him and then die of cholesterol. Homer becomes a vampire but he is a fat bat, so he falls and dies when he tries to fly. Milhouse as a poodle picks up his corpse. Credits roll.

1/10

Worst. Treehouse of Horror. Ever.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: St_Eddie on June 05, 2021, 04:42:22 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on June 04, 2021, 08:43:35 PM
Homer plays shoots and ladders.

Why do they change the name and ruin it? 'Chutes and Ladders' and 'Scope'. It's the 'Snakes and Ladders' and 'The s*****c Society'.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on June 05, 2021, 04:45:51 PM
Quote from: St_Eddie on June 05, 2021, 04:42:22 PM
Why do they change the name and ruin it? 'Chutes and Ladders' and 'Scope'. It's the 'Snakes and Ladders' and 'The s*****c Society'.

It would have actually been a little funnier if it was Snakes and Ladders too. In the episode he just falls down slides every time he climbs a ladder.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: McChesney Duntz on June 05, 2021, 04:49:10 PM
"Chutes and Ladders" is what it's called in the States. Our country is based on anti-reptilian prejudice, after all.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: St_Eddie on June 05, 2021, 07:37:17 PM
Quote from: McChesney Duntz on June 05, 2021, 04:49:10 PM
"Chutes and Ladders" is what it's called in the States. Our country is based on anti-reptilian prejudice, after all.

Aye, Where's Waldo? too, instead of Where's Wally? over there.  Bunch of uncouth savages in America.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: dissolute ocelot on June 07, 2021, 11:12:38 AM
Quote from: JamesTC on June 04, 2021, 08:43:35 PM
Season 22 - Episode 4 - Treehouse of Horror XXI

War and Pieces

Bart and Milhouse are playing a violent Zii game when Marge tells them they should play a board game instead. They find a dusty old game called Jumanji Satan's Path. They start playing but the game turns all the other board game into reality. Chief Wiggum is killed by a huge chess piece. Selma plays that dating game with the door but ends up with Kang and or Kodos. Homer plays shoots and ladders. Slinkies destroy the car. The guy from Operation is huge and rampaging. Bart and Milhouse get sunk on a battleship. Tod and Rod get killed by Kerplunk. Bart beats Mousetrap, which saves the day for some reason. Bart and Milhouse are returned to the house and everything is back to normal. Bart says in future they will just play hangman and then Bart and Milhouse are on gallows and get killed. End of section.
This looks nice, with some good design and the game elements are well-realised. It's a shame they didn't write any plot or jokes.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on June 08, 2021, 09:20:42 PM
Season 22 - Episode 5 - Lisa Simpson, This Isn't Your Life

Maggie is watching Krusty with Homer. Maggie is excited about some Happy Little Elves figurines which are part of a gas station giveaway. Lisa points out that Maggie is missing one. Homer takes the family to a Texxon station to buy gas in order to get the figurine. Montage of Homer buying 10 gallons of gas, getting the wrong figurine and then buying more. Eventually they give up and move on.

Driving on the way home they pass the house that Marge grew up in. The owner of the house lets them take a tour. Marge goes through memory lane around the house. Turns out there is a box of old stuff of hers in the attic. Lisa finds an old science award and her old papers, which are all A+. Lisa makes a snarky comment about how Marge ended up the way she did. Meanwhile Bart rides a tray around some mud at the school but accidentally drenches Nelson. Nelson threatens Bart but Bart slips and accidentally kicks him in the face which now makes Bart the new school bully for some reason.

Lisa asks Skinner about what Marge was like in school and he says she was a great student. How would Skinner know what Marge was like as a student? Skinner was Armin Tamzarian back then. Oh forget it. There is a nice gag in the background with all the trophies in Springfield Elementary clearly being stolen from other local schools. They don't even reference it, they just let it be a nice gag on its own. Good job.

Lisa charts Marge's downfall in her school grades and wonders what could have led to her no longer being academically gifted and she finds it is linked to when she met Homer. Lisa confronts Homer but he tells her that somebody or something would have eventually distracted her but Lisa insists nothing will distract her. Nelson confronts Bart but is again accidentally hit by Bart. Lisa looks for anything in her room that might provide a distraction to her future and so throws her saxophone out the window. Santa's Little Helper gets his head stuck in the saxophone. Marge sees the saxophone and is worried so Homer explains that Lisa just doesn't want to end up like her but this really hurts Marge. Marge is cold with Lisa.

Nelson confronts Bart again and threatens him that a beating is coming. Lisa sees a bus for a posh school and desperately wants to go. Marge tells Lisa that they cannot afford it but then confronts the head of the school and somehow convinces him to accept Lisa on a scholarship. Bart talks to Marge about how Nelson is threatening him and Marge tells him to make Nelson feel good about himself. Bart is confronted by Nelson and makes nice comments about him which makes him stop and that is the end of that plot. Lisa wakes up in the night after a happy first day in school but finds Marge is doing loads of laundry for the posh school. Marge agreed to do all the laundry in order to get Lisa accepted. Lisa pretends she hates the school and says she doesn't want to go there anymore. Homer arrives with the figurine they wanted at the start and it turns out he stole it. Credits roll.

3.5/10 - Better than the last few but Lisa can be an unlikeable cunt sometimes. The B-plot was just a rejig of a Season 1 episode.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on June 08, 2021, 09:51:04 PM
Season 22 - Episode 6 - The Fool Monty

The couch gag is a parody of Avatar.

All of the US news organisations meet in the head of the Statue of Liberty to discuss the next phony news story. One suggests a made up deadly disease but this is rebutted with them actually releasing a new deadly virus into the general public.

SIMPSONS PREDICTED COVID 19 CONFIRMED!!!11!!1!


The news heads decide on the "House Cat Flu". Marge and Homer put Snowball II in a ziplock bag. Other local cats are put up a tree by the fire department. Homer wants to burn all of Snowball II's stuff but Marge explains that they have a vaccine.

SIMPSONS PREDICTED COVID 19 VACCINE CONFIRMED!!!11!!1!


Mr Burns takes loads of the vaccines for him, Smithers and his hounds. The townspeople are very angry. Burns then drives over the remaining vaccines with his erratic driving. Mr Burns' Doctor administers the vaccine but also tells him that he is dying due to numerous illnesses. Mr Burns hosts a house party to tell his employees and various other townspeople the news that he is dying. He thinks it will be sad news but the townspeople are all happy. Mr Burns realises he is hated. Mr Burns is now sad that people hate him. Mr Burns tried to kill himself by jumping off a cliff but survives because he is hit by a plane and then a tree and then a bear holding a fish. Bart finds Burns in the forest but he has lost his memory which is the plot of the episode.

Bart takes Burns home and hides him in his room. Remember ET? Smithers is depressed and drinking but he is now working for Dick Cheney. The townspeople spit on Burns' grave and then dance on it. The family find Burns. Burns is humping Santa's Little Helper. Marge gets them to reveal Burns to the town. The townspeople decide to get revenge on him. Everybody in the town gets half an hour with Mr Burns to do with as they please. Clips of people using Burns for stupid shit. Nelson uses him as a surrogate father.

Lisa takes Burns back to his mansion. Burns remembers everything. Burns gets Mr Smithers back. Mr Burns wants to get revenge on the town. Mr Burns initially decides to cover the town with a dome but it turns out that SIMPSONS DID IT. Marge tells Burns that it was the fact that he was helping people that kept him alive but then he realises that it was a bile building up from hate that had kept him alive. Nelson threatens Burns if he doesn't come to his school to watch him in the school play. Burns goes to the school play. Credits roll.

2/10 - Vacuous.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on June 08, 2021, 09:55:28 PM
oh yeah Mr Burns is sad that people don't like him

Mr. Burns.

Mr. Burns.

the Mr. Burns who regretted selling the power plant because what good is money if you can't inspire fear in your fellow men

the Mr. Burns who told schoolchildren that family, religion and friendship are the three demons you must slay to succeed in business

oh yeah he'd kill himself if people hated him.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on June 08, 2021, 10:22:00 PM
Season 22 - Episode 7 - How Munched Is That Birdie in the Window?

The couch gag is a parody of Honey I Shrunk The Kids. They have just ruined a perfectly good movie parody they could have pilfered when they run out of ideas for Treehouse of Horror.

The TV falls off the wall. Good start.

Todd and Rod are scared of the thunder and lighting but Flanders tells them it is just the angels bowling. Cut to some angels bowling. That's the joke.

Homer is telling a scary story to Bart, Lisa and Maggie. The kids are very scared. A pigeon flies through the window which scares Homer. The pigeon has a phone number. It is owned by the sarcastic guy (whatever his name is). Lisa tells Bart to take care of the pigeon because she is scared of them. Montage of Bart taking care of the pigeon. The wing is healed so Bart tries to release it because it is a homing/carrier pigeon but the pigeon doesn't want to leave. Bart takes the pigeon as his new pet. The family are watching TV and it is an advert for WWII in colour and the box set features commentary from Hitler and Mussolini. Homer and Bart are playing with the pigeon in the yard. Lisa discusses with Marge why she doesn't like pigeons. Bart and Homer use the pigeon to send messages to people around town. Santa's Little Helper eats the pigeon. They have a funeral for the pigeon. Bart is unhappy with Santa's Little Helper which is the plot of the episode.

Skinner brings Homer and Marge in and tells them he is depressed but his grades have gone up so he wants them to make him sadder. Bart and Santa's Little Helper are taken to therapy. Bart refuses to forgive Santa's Little Helper and the therapist says they should give him away. CUNT.

Bart is even colder to Santa's Little Helper. They take Santa's Little Helper to a new home upstate. He is going to be with the owners of Ostrich World. Bart is still an arse to Santa's Little Helper when saying goodbye and complaining about how he should NEVER kill a bird. Homer and Bart end up getting attacked by an ostrich but Santa's Little Helper does not attack the ostrich because Bart told him to never kill a bird. Bart manages to fight off the ostrich by strangling it. Bart forgives Santa's Little Helper... for some reason.

2/10 - You're lucky to get that. Automatic -1 for being mean to Santa's Little Helper.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: madhair60 on June 09, 2021, 12:02:11 AM
Quote from: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on June 08, 2021, 09:55:28 PM
oh yeah Mr Burns is sad that people don't like him

Mr. Burns.

Mr. Burns.

the Mr. Burns who regretted selling the power plant because what good is money if you can't inspire fear in your fellow men

the Mr. Burns who told schoolchildren that family, religion and friendship are the three demons you must slay to succeed in business

oh yeah he'd kill himself if people hated him.

they also already fuckin did that plot
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Master Cylinder on June 10, 2021, 02:27:10 AM
They also do it in again in Season 32 with a Impossible Burger-style plot.

There was a season 30 episode on TV the other day that ended with Nelson visiting his father who was on Mars. Cause that's the show The Simpsons is now. 
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Leej88 on June 10, 2021, 12:16:17 PM
So Nelson's Dad has gone from being Coach of the Soccer team to going out for Cigs going missing to being in a freak show to being Mars makes sense.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: mippy on June 10, 2021, 01:49:03 PM
I think looking for continuity in a sitcom that's run for 30 years is a bit of a fool:s errand, though.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on June 12, 2021, 09:28:46 PM
Season 22 - Episode 8 - The Fight Before Christmas

Marge is putting up the Christmas decorations, but Homer doesn't want to help because he is watching TV. Maggie wants to watch the Fluppets. Bart is planning on waiting for Santa and threatening him with a BB gun so he will get a dirt bike. Bart then falls asleep.

Bart dreams a train driven by Otto arrives outside. I assume that this is a parody of The Polar Express? I've not seen it so I dunno. The train arrives in the North Pole and Moe is an elf there. Bart wants to find Santa. Most of the elves have been laid off because the jobs have been moved to the South Pole. Bart quickly gets a job and becomes Vice President by coming up with ideas for saving time and money making the presents. Bart finally confronts Santa who is Krusty and demands his dirt bike. Krusty tells Bart that the company is bust. Bart goes home but after he has left Krusty reveals the place isn't bust and it was all a ruse and loads of sexy ladies come out and give him a cigar and light it with money. Chief Wiggum in a flying police car chases the train and Otto jumps out the window. It might not look like the last sentence links with what came before it but I can tell you that this is what happens and I haven't missed anything out.

Lisa sees people taking trees home and is angry that they can't leave the trees where they were. Lisa goes to sleep. Lisa dreams it is 1944. Marge is away at war on the front line while Homer is too fat to fight on the front line. Homer brings a tree home but Lisa vowed never to have another tree until Marge comes home safe and sound as she left while they were buying one. They then get a letter saying that Marge is MIA. Lisa runs away but ends up surrounded by trees and is traumatised but then the sarcastic guy tells her that Marge paid for the tree before she left and Lisa takes this as a sign that Marge is okay. Lisa takes the tree home and they decorate it. Cut to Nazi occupied France where Hitler is watching a Nazi Dumbo film and then Marge burns the place down and murders Hitler. I can't even muster up the anger to criticise how lazy this is.

Marge is writing a letter to Martha Stewart asking her to save her family. Martha Stewart turns up, wakes up Marge and then Martha Stewart does some stuff like decorating and stuff but I'm not going to write it down because it is so boring. Then Martha Stewart drugs Homer. Marge isn't happy that the family can't be like themselves so Martha Stewart leaves and then Marge wakes up. The family bring Marge breakfast in bed and sing and mess up the breakfast, so decide to go out instead.

Maggie is asleep with the Fluppets DVD she wanted to watch. She is dreaming the family as puppets. Moe arrives and is eating cookies. The family are planning to go to Hawaii. Moe is going to house sit and calls his girlfriend over telling her it is his bachelor pad. Burns turns up but Homer told him that he had a neck injury and that is why he needed the week off. Then Katy Perry turns up (the real one, not a puppet) and is saying she is Moe's girlfriend. Homer tells Burns the truth and so he releases the hounds, but they blew the budget on Katy Perry. Katy Perry kisses Burns and he says he kissed a girl and he liked it. Burns forgives Homer and they sing a carol. The episode ends with puppet Moe not being able to reach Katy Perry's head so he kisses her belly button but she says it isn't her belly button. Moe is kissing Katy Perry right in her vagina!

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/96/Katy_perry_on_the_simpsons.jpg)

1/10 - Lazy abject shite. A show in complete death throes. Nothing against Katy Perry as she did nothing wrong, it was just so woefully misconceived by the writers. Hard to believe this is still only two thirds into the show's life.
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Post by: Leej88 on June 12, 2021, 09:31:55 PM
Looks and sounds awful.
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Post by: idunnosomename on June 12, 2021, 09:52:32 PM
the thing late (or rather the majority of, shudder) the simpsons has a thing for is parodies of things where they just change a letter and fuckit that'll do. fluppets.

i quite appreciate the effort put into the muppets thing even if it isnt funny
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Post by: JamesTC on June 12, 2021, 09:56:24 PM
Season 22 - Episode 9 - Donnie Fatso

The only way is up from the last episode.

Lisa is cleaning up after New Year's Day. Santa's Little Helper and Snowball II slept together. Marge and Homer have a hangover. Homer takes the recycling out but Chief Wiggum gives him a ticket for not separating his recycling. The situation escalates and he gets loads more tickets amounting to $1000. Homer consults with Moe who tells him he can bribe somebody at the city office but he is caught and given 10 years in prison. Chief Wiggum gives him an alternative to jail which is to go undercover to investigate Fat Tony which is the plot of the episode.

Homer goes to prison with the new undercover identity. Homer gains the trust of Fat Tony by standing up for one of Fat Tony's goons against the guards in a scenario set up by the FBI. Marge is worried as she can't contact Homer at prison. Homer has gotten out with Fat Tony and his goons. Fat Tony wants Homer to burn down Moe's after Moe was rude to Fat Tony. Before Homer can burn it down, Moe burns it down instead, saying it was either that or "adding in a ladies room". Fat Tony thinks Homer did it so welcomes him to the family.

Homer and Fat Tony go to get some guns from a boat. Homer feels bad for Fat Tony and tries to stop him from getting caught. Fat Tony realises Homer is an informant but then has a heart attack and dies. Homer is now home but is depressed about what happened to Fat Tony. Homer visits Fat Tony's grave but is attacked. Homer wakes up to find he has been kidnapped by Fit Tony who is Fat Tony's cousin. Fit Tony wants to kill Homer but after Homer talks highly about Fat Tony he decides not to kill him so his memories of Fat Tony can live on. Homer now narrates and tells the story of how Fit Tony got fat and started to get called Fat Tony and this is apparently the end of the episode. What?

3/10 - I feel like when the plot surrounds Homer there is at least a few easy yucks to be had. But that plot what so weak that when it ended I couldn't believe I'd watched a full 20 minute episode.
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Post by: JamesTC on June 12, 2021, 10:13:04 PM
Quote from: idunnosomename on June 12, 2021, 09:52:32 PMi quite appreciate the effort put into the muppets thing even if it isnt funny

It would have been considerably cheaper than animating, I imagine. I think they did the whole thing just to parody Katy Perry appearing on Sesame Street.

Nothing like the live action segments in the old Tree House of Horror episodes, which were all brief but very effective. I love the ending to Homer3 when he falls into the black hole and ends up in the real world.

(https://i.imgur.com/NsvdEDJ.gif)
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Post by: idunnosomename on June 12, 2021, 10:19:53 PM
Not just animating the normal 2 minutes on the end of a regular episode. they have to do art direction for a bunch of puppets, have them made, have a whole crew for puppeteering, build a set.

I just watched that segment and the only thing approaching funny is the Abe and Jasper in the Statler and Waldorf box. It's a really poor script to homage to how the Muppets worked with celebrities. they were often highly creative what they had them do. not just oh your my girlfriend lol please kiss me on the genitals.

Homer³ was the same year Toy Story came out (1995). it's really impressive. yes and also funny. erotic cakes!
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Post by: Jerzy Bondov on June 12, 2021, 10:25:35 PM
Why would Maggie have a dream where Moe puts his lips on Katy Perry's vagina
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Post by: JamesTC on June 12, 2021, 10:48:05 PM
Season 22 - Episode 10 - Moms I'd Like to Forget

Groundskeeper Willy is refereeing a dodgeball match between the fourth and fifth graders for some reason. Bart wins the match but then the ball didn't touch the ground and the last fifth grader catches it so the fifth graders win on a technicality for some reason. This starts an all out war between the fourth and fifth graders which carries over to the teachers. The fourth and fifth graders have a "rumble" but while Bart is about to fight one kid he finds that the kid has a scar on his hand that is the same as a scar on his hand. Bart asks Marge about the scar and she tells him about a toddler gym she used to take him to.  Marge used to hand out with the other mothers who called themselves the "cool moms". Homer does the taxes on the toilet.

Marge invites the other mothers over. Bart talks with the other kids about how they all have the scar on their hand. Homer Skypes Moe and he thinks that Flander's wi-fi is acting up but Moe says he has bell's palsy. So funny. Marge goes out with the mothers again and they all agree to meet every Tuesday. Bart continues to do dangerous stuff with the other boys. Bart and Lisa talk about the other boys and they decide to consult Dr Hibbert about the scar who tells them it has something to do with Comic Book Guy.

Comic Book Guy tells them the story of a picnic. Wiggum drops baby Ralph and causes brain problems. Comic Book Guy was organising the fireworks but the four kids launched all the fireworks when he wasn't looking which led to burns on their hands. Bart decides to create another big explosion to split the mothers up so he doesn't have to see the other boys anymore. Marge stops him and tells the other mothers, but they tell her that Bart was the bad apple of the group. This enrages Marge and she leaves the group. The other mothers then lez up.

2/10 - Another weak plot which just feels so short and lacking of any real depth or complexity. The only redeeming feature is the odd funny bit with Homer. Even in Jerk Ass Homer mode, he elicits a smile when he needs to.

Fun fact: The lezzing up scene was apparently cut from loads of Fox affiliates.
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Post by: idunnosomename on June 12, 2021, 11:07:24 PM
Quote from: Jerzy Bondov on June 12, 2021, 10:25:35 PM
Why would Maggie have a dream where Moe puts his lips on Katy Perry's vagina
badly-written pervert baby
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Post by: Master Cylinder on June 13, 2021, 04:53:13 AM
Quote from: Master Cylinder on January 15, 2021, 01:18:45 AM
I came across a Season 22 episode last night on TV with Simpsons puppets and it ended on a Moe puppet and live action Katy Perry pussyeating joke .I have nothing more to add.
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Post by: dissolute ocelot on June 13, 2021, 11:16:16 AM
Twice in the past week I've found myself watching an episode where it's Marge and Homer's life's ambition to appear on a reality TV show they've never mentioned. It's incomprehensible if you don't know the rules of the show they're parodying, and I've no idea what the show even is. Then it segues into a black and white parody of Who's Afraid Of Virginia Woolf with no jokes just references to dead babies and Marge suddenly a slut. The perfect show for people who are fans of both reality TV and Edward Albee, but otherwise shit.

Also, thanks Simpsons for ruining Katy Perry in a rubber dress.
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Post by: JaDanketies on June 13, 2021, 11:32:45 AM
Quote from: JamesTC on June 12, 2021, 09:56:24 PMFit Tony got fat and started to get called Fat Tony and this is apparently the end of the episode. What?

I remember this one. Really bad reset button. Now whenever Fat Tony appears in latter-day Simpsons, my mind doesn't 100% associate him with the Fat Tony we know and love, because in canon he's dead and it's his brother. How hard is it to not kill off a main character and then replace them with a doppelganger?
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Post by: Leej88 on June 13, 2021, 05:33:00 PM
Homer's Mum
Frank Grimes
Krusty's Dad
Maude Flanders
Edna Krappabel
Smither's Dad
That Woman Grandpa fell in love with.
Bleeding Gums Murphy
all dead
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Post by: Catalogue Trousers on June 13, 2021, 08:09:11 PM
And yet still alive
In endless Time
And endless Art.
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Post by: JamesTC on June 13, 2021, 08:24:20 PM
Season 22 - Episode 11 - Flaming Moe

Homer, Lenny and Carl have a fight with the night shift at the plant. Burns signs his last will and testament and Smithers sneaks a look. Smithers is enraged to be left out of the will. Burns tells him he doesn't respect him and will never see him as his equal. Smithers is sad so he goes to a gay bar (The League of Extra Horny Gentlemen) but they don't let him in because of the way he dresses so he goes to Moe's instead. Smithers comes up with the idea of turning Moe's into a gay bar which is the plot of the episode.

Moe's is now called Mo's and is a gay bar that accepts anybody. Homer, Lenny and Carl turn up and are freaked out by the atmosphere and by a guy washing his hands. Moe references previous redecorations of the bar which I guess means it is okay that they are repeating a storyline. Lisa's music teacher is quitting his job because he met his soulmate at Mo's and they get a new music teacher called Calliope Juniper. Comic Book Guy's cousin is at Mo's and he is called Comic Book Gay. Patty (or Selma, I can't remember which is the gay one) and Marge are at Mo's with Homer and are mistaken for men. Moe gets hit on by some of the guys there. Moe goes to clarify that he isn't gay but then he realises he will lose money so just does a dance instead.

Skinner falls in love with the new music teacher. Smithers brings Burns to Mo's who is impressed by it and says he has earned his respect. One gay guy suggests Smithers wants a lemon party and Burns is excited by the prospect of "a good old-fashioned lemon party". Smithers notices Moe playing along with flirting and is annoyed that he is making out that he is gay. Skinner asks Bart if he will date the music teacher's daughter so Skinner can double-date.

Moe is asked to run for the city council by the guys at the bar so they have gay representation and Smithers is annoyed he is still pretending to be gay. Bart breaks up with the music teacher's daughter. The music teacher is leaving town because her daughter is so sad so Skinner decides to leave with her. Groundskeeper Willy is the new principal. Moe is running for election but Smithers tries to out him as a straight. Smithers tells him to kiss him but Moe doesn't want to and reveals he is straight. The crowd all leave and don't know who to vote for now. Moe then kisses Smithers for some reason. Skinner returns for some reason. Credits roll.

3/10 - The B-plot was vapid and might as well have not been there. The A plot was surprising in how it wasn't as offensive as I thought it would be. Over the past ten seasons the show has been pretty regressive in attitudes, so I guess that is a positive.
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Post by: JamesTC on June 13, 2021, 09:03:10 PM
Season 22 - Episode 12 - Homer the Father

Homer is watching an old 80s sitcom. Top marks for them presenting the 80s sitcom as 4:3 within the Simpson's 16:9 TV. Homer loves the sitcom. Bart and Milhouse are bike riding when Bart's bike breaks and he sees a mini bike in a window and he really wants it. Mirroring his new favourite sitcom, Homer tells Bart that if he bought him the bike then he wouldn't appreciate it. Homer tells Marge that Bart is angry at him for not buying the bike and she kisses him because and they have sex because him being a good father turns her on.

Bart consults Lisa as to how he can earn money to buy the bike. She suggests if he buckles down and gets good grades then Homer might buy him the bike. Bart works hard on his maths test and gets an A. As reward Homer follows what happened in his sitcom and tells Bart that his reward is the feeling of accomplishment that he can only get from hard work but this enrages Bart who expected to get the mini bike. Bart vows that he will get his mini bike. Apu knocks and tells him that he left his nuclear power plant pass at the Kwik-E-Mart. Bart overhears and decides to sell nuclear secrets to China for a mini bike and sends a letter.

The Chinese contact Bart and give him a USB drive to put the nuclear secrets on. Bart tells Homer that he will be spending lots more time with him. They do lots of father son stuff in a montage and eventually are at the nuclear power plant. Homer falls asleep and Bart starts stealing some secrets by inserting the drive into various computers around the plant. Bart gives the USB drive away and gets the bike at the zoo. Bart wakes up the next morning and comes downstairs to find another mini bike. Homer tells Bart that he had been so good lately that he thought he deserved it. Bart is now sad and Homer is wondering what is wrong with him.

Bart goes back to the zoo and Homer follows. Bart finds the USB drive is still there but then the Chinese turn up and threaten him. Homer protects Bart and tells the Chinese that they can take him with all of his nuclear knowledge instead. Homer goes to China and helps build the nuclear plant which explodes when he cuts the ceremonial ribbon. Homer returns home and him and Bart watch an Itchy and Scratchy cartoon. Rubbish Inside The Actors segment to end the episode.

4/10 - There are issues with this episode for sure, but there is also a good idea in there. The first half of the episode worked really well and whilst the second half was a little bit of a let-down, this is still one of the best episodes in a very long time. I think more than anything, nothing felt lazy this episode.
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Post by: JamesTC on June 13, 2021, 09:41:07 PM
Season 22 - Episode 13 - The Blue and the Gray

It is Valentine's Day. Crazy Cat Lady meets Crazy Dog Man. Moe is alone so decides to a seminar about meeting women. Moe says that somewhere on earth there is one woman and we cut to the other side of the world where a woman who looks like Moe puts her head in a noose. Homer and Marge wake up on the morning after Valentine's Day but need to rush the kids to school. Marge discovers a grey hair but Homer says she shouldn't worry about it. Moe goes to the seminar and there are loads of other lonely men from the town there. Moe is told that he needs a wingman to help him look good. Marge goes to the hairdressers. The hairdresser tells her that she has been grey for years but she just forgets because of the fumes from the dye. Marge decides to let her hair go grey which is the plot of the episode.

Homer does not like the hair but pretends he does to make her feel better. Moe calls Homer to be his wingman. Homer is a really good wingman. Lenny wants Homer to be his wingman now. Bart beats up Milhouse for saying Marge isn't hot anymore. The women of the town give Marge backhanded compliments about her hair which makes her feel bad. Marge is then mistaken for an OAP. Bart is sent to the school therapist.

Marge meets Patty and Selma who tell him that Homer actually hates her hair and is just telling her that he likes it. Marge overhears some young women talking about Homer and whether he will be at the club tonight. Marge is going to the club and doing herself up in the car but ends up crashing and ends up a complete mess looking like a witch. Homer is talking to loads of women. Marge arrives and attacks the women with a broom on fire. Homer explains he is just a wingman and that he is only good at it because he has the confidence to go home to a beautiful woman. Marge changes her hair back to blue. Homer also colours his two hairs blue in solidarity. Credits roll.

2/10 - No fucking clue what the C-plot with Bart which amounted to two scenes was about. The B-plot was vapid. The A-plot was a little offensive. All in all yet another awful episode this season.
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Post by: JaDanketies on June 13, 2021, 11:10:43 PM
I'm sure it's not news to people here but Fat Tony is voiced by Joe Mantegna who is an acclaimed actor that's been in loads of notable things. It's weird that people like him and  Kelsey Grammer sometimes get called in to do some shit lines that destroy their character
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Post by: Leej88 on June 14, 2021, 07:07:23 AM
The money must be good for them.
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Post by: dissolute ocelot on June 14, 2021, 12:42:13 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on June 13, 2021, 08:24:20 PM
Season 22 - Episode 11 - Flaming Moe

3/10 - The B-plot was vapid and might as well have not been there. The A plot was surprising in how it wasn't as offensive as I thought it would be. Over the past ten seasons the show has been pretty regressive in attitudes, so I guess that is a positive.
I agree about this; the plot of Moe running a gay bar works well, and it's nice seeing Moe be successful and blending in with people, even if he is living a lie and you know it's going to end in failure.

But the Bart/Skinner plot is very disappointing: it's annoying because Bart being made to date a girl should be a gimme, with lots of memorable storylines about Bart and girls in the past, as well as Skinner being reliably funny in affairs of the heart. But the romance between Skinner and the young beautiful free-spirited teacher makes no sense: why not create a character who (1) Skinner would fall in love with and who (2) would thereby almost certainly be funny, instead of this unfunny, unbelievable romance. And the Bart side of it goes for the laziest possible angle, with the ugly, weird daughter. So lazy.
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Post by: JamesTC on June 14, 2021, 09:54:14 PM
Season 22 - Episode 14 - Angry Dad: The Movie

We open with yet another Itchy and Scratchy. There was a time we didn't see many and I believe they excused it by saying the episodes were shorter so they didn't have time. These days the plots are so thin that they need to fill time with more frivolous stuff instead of actually giving a fuck about what the episode is actually about. It is easier to write a mouse killing a cat for a minute than to write proper dialogue with jokes.

Bart is home alone so decides to play with the ceiling fan. Bart trashes the house. A guy comes around and wants to make a film of Angry Dad which is a cartoon Bart made in a pretty good episode from nine seasons back (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Am_Furious_(Yellow)). Homer says Bart could be a little Roman Polanski but then Marge tells him about the paedophilia, so Homer strangles Bart and calls him a monster.

Homer and Bart visit the animators. Homer does a card trick with his bum. Homer is cast as the voice of Angry Dad. They have a read through of the Angry Dad script. Then suddenly there is a premiere. The audience hate it. Lisa suggests cutting it into a short film. The Italian guy who owns the pizzeria in Springfield knocks to inform Bart that his short film has been nominated for a Golden Globe. The family go to the awards ceremony. The animators from Mixar are there. Awful. Ricky Gervais is here being Ricky Gervais. Awful. Fucking hell this Ricky Gervais bit goes on for nearly a minute of just him talking. Oh now Russel Brand is here. Awful. Some unfunny short films play.

Angry Dad wins the award. Homer does the speech and Bart is annoyed. Homer hogs the limelight at all award ceremonies. Bart gets a call telling him that Angry Dad has an Oscar nomination but Bart doesn't tell Homer. Homer finds out about the Oscars. Halle Berry is here. Not awful. A clip of the Mixar film is played and it is actually well animated and a fun parody of Toy Story but with condiments coming to life. Wallace and Gromit parody now plays. Lisa wishes Nick Park good luck and his fingers come off because he is more plasticine than man now. Angry Dad wins the Oscar. Bart accepts the award but realises that the film wasn't just his work. Homer turns up and says he is proud of Bart. Bart and Homer cut up the Oscar and give pieces to everybody. Credits roll with more Ricky Gervais monologuing. Awful.

2/10 - Awful.
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Post by: JamesTC on June 14, 2021, 10:36:38 PM
Season 22 - Episode 15 - The Scorpion's Tale

Bart and Lisa's class are on a field strip to "Satan's Anvil" which is hot desert. Bart discovers some tame old French porn in an abandoned gold mine which I'm pretty sure the joke that follows is that Nelson is wanking to it behind a cactus. Lisa is attacked by scorpions but finds that some flowers calm them down. Lisa takes the scorpions and flowers home. On the way home they see Grandpa Simpsons getting kicked out of the retirement home for being cranky. Grandpa annoys everybody now he is living with them. Lisa continues to investigate the flower that stops the scorpions from attacking him and she mentions it to Homer. Homer adds the flower to Grandpa's coffee, which makes him laid back and happy.

Lisa tells Grandpa that Homer drugged him but Grandpa thanks him. Homer wants more of the flower to continue making Grandpa happy. Lisa flushed the rest of the flower mixture down the toilet and it causes a shark to die. Grandpa is cranky again and Homer says to the guys at Moe's that he doesn't know the secret to the mixture but Werner Herzog as some pharmacist who is there for some reason says he just needs a drop of the formula to synthesise it at his plant. He takes a drop of Grandpa's sweat. He synthesises 50 possible formulas. Grandpa gets an erection and then finds the right formula. Homer grows a tail. Homer calls the pharmacist Willy Wonka but it turns out he is Augustus Gloop. Grandpa is given a prototype of the drug and Bart decides to sell it which is the plot of the episode.

Bart sells them to various cranky people around town such as Skinner's mother and Mr Burns. Lisa isn't bothered that Grandpa is taking the drug because at least it makes him happy and then his eyes fall out. Yes his eyes fall out. The family put goggles on Grandpa and fill them with water so his eyes float around. Lisa discovers that the same thing happened to the scorpions. Lisa theorises that the drug lubricates the eyeball sockets or something. Bart informs the family that he has sold the drug to people around town. People all around town have their eyeballs detached from their sockets, but they are still happy. A happy mob forms at the pharmacist's office wanting more of the drug. Homer does some stupid stuff and destroys the car so Grandpa makes a speech about how their generation needs to be cranky to get things done and then they put their eyes back and fix the car. The end, I guess.

(https://i.imgur.com/x7S5kIn.jpg)

2/10 - What the fuck did I just watch?
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on June 14, 2021, 10:37:46 PM
Ahh fuck, I forgot Inside No 9 was on and I watched this shite instead. Bollocks.
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Post by: Blumf on June 15, 2021, 12:14:20 AM
Quote from: JamesTC on June 14, 2021, 10:36:38 PM
Season 22 - Episode 15 - The Scorpion's Tale

...

2/10 - What the fuck did I just watch?

I'm not sure if this can rank as the worst episode ever, but that eye-popping ending - in a non-Treehouse of Horror episode! - must be right down there. Pure Zombie Simps.

Also, I'm beginning to want Werner Herzog to end up in the "cliches you want to fuck off" thread because of shit like this. That's just not right.

(missed Inside #9 too, bugger)
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Post by: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on June 15, 2021, 12:15:21 AM
such a fucking waste of Werner Herzog
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Post by: Master Cylinder on June 15, 2021, 02:08:04 AM
The Scorpion's Tale, with the eye-popping so bizarre and bad I felt the need to hate-watch-and-commentate over it for a podcast https://rosspurdydestroyscomedy.podbean.com/e/ross-purdy-complains-about-a-new-episode-of-the-simpsons/.

For some reason Nelson jerks it and gets post-nut clarity and that's what the world needed.
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Post by: chveik on June 15, 2021, 02:11:36 AM
thoughts and prayers James
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Post by: Kankurette on June 15, 2021, 02:39:04 AM
James, thank you for watching this garbage so we don't have to.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Bernice on June 15, 2021, 09:47:43 AM
Quote from: JamesTC on June 14, 2021, 10:36:38 PM
Season 22 - Episode 15 - The Scorpion's Tale

...

2/10 - What the fuck did I just watch?

James, I think it might be inhumane of us to let you carry on at this point.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: buttgammon on June 15, 2021, 10:16:55 AM
One of the things that shocks me about these synopses is the weirdly tasteless sexual content. I know there was a much earlier (and actually funny) episode about Homer and his dad making an aphrodisiac and another where Homer and Marge realise they like outdoor sex, but old porn lurking behind a cactus? Grandpa getting an erection? This is just unpleasant.

I do enjoy these posts, James, but I also feel guilty about the suffering you're going through for us.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on June 15, 2021, 10:46:45 AM
I really am starting to wonder whether The Simpsons will have a good episode again. Homer The Father was only a highlight because everything around it was so abject. I'm now 7 seasons on from the last properly good episode (I, (Annoyed Grunt)-Bot). I love in hope.
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Post by: Pauline Walnuts on June 15, 2021, 11:46:55 AM
Quote from: JamesTC on June 12, 2021, 10:48:05 PM
Wiggum drops baby Ralph and causes brain problems.

I think it says a lot that a statement like this goes unremarked.

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Post by: St_Eddie on June 15, 2021, 04:04:36 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on June 15, 2021, 10:46:45 AM
I love in hope.

I bet you do, you dirty old bollocks.
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Post by: JamesTC on June 15, 2021, 04:31:35 PM
My tablet changes random words that aren't spelt incorrectly. Perhaps the Simpsons writers use the same system and this is why the plots make so little sense.
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Post by: samadriel on June 15, 2021, 04:39:34 PM
Quote from: idunnosomename on June 12, 2021, 11:07:24 PM
badly-written pervert baby

(Turtle power)
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Post by: JamesTC on June 15, 2021, 09:27:52 PM
Season 22 - Episode 16 - A Midsummer's Nice Dream

Crash open with Kent Brockman reporting the news with a picture of the Queen all beaten up - "The Queen will be held without bail until a sample can be returned from the lab". They can still be funny! Kent is now reporting on Cheech and Chong returning to Springfield (where they are apparently from) for a reunion. Homer explains who Cheech and Chong are to Lisa and Bart. Homer smokes some asbestos.

The family go to see Cheech and Chong. Chong hates selling out by doing their old stuff so Homer replaces Chong on stage. That really tall man who Nelson mocked a decade and a half ago is in the audience. Homer goes on tour with Cheech and they call themselves Cheech and Chunk. Chong is auditioning for replacements for Cheech. Ralph auditions because of course he does. Chong picks Skinner because he is so unfunny.

Santa's Little Helper chases a cat to a house and Marge and Lisa chase but they end up in Crazy Cat Lady's house. Lisa and Marge find that the Crazy Cat Lady (CCL) is a hoarder. Marge gets the CCL tickets to see Cats so Marge and a group of random townspeople can clean her house. CCL returns home and talks normally in patches and thanks her. Marge starts looking through the stuff in the truck of rubbish from CCL's house and finds she wants it all. The driver of the truck says that although Marge is crazy he would still have sex with her.

Homer and Cheech do really well in their first show and Cheech promises Homer a reward. Homer has a wacky 70s fantasy about smoking pot and then eating himself but it turns out Cheech was just taking Homer to a museum. Chong and Skinner is a disaster. Bart and Lisa return home to find the house filled with crap. Homer returns home to help. CCL tries to help too but gets obsessed with all her old stuff and does a weird wail to bring all the cats to the Simpson home. Homer takes Marge away. Homer convinces Chong to return to Cheech and Chong and they reunite on stage. Stupid fucking epilogue with Bart appearing as a fairy from A Midsummer Night's Dream.

2/10 - Why?
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on June 15, 2021, 09:33:58 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on June 15, 2021, 09:27:52 PM
Santa's Little Helper chases a cat to a house and Marge and Lisa chase but they end up in Crazy Cat Lady's house. Lisa and Marge find that the Crazy Cat Lady (CCL) is a hoarder. Marge gets the CCL tickets to see Cats so Marge and a group of random townspeople can clean her house. CCL returns home and talks normally in patches and thanks her. [...] CCL tries to help too but gets obsessed with all her old stuff and does a weird wail to bring all the cats to the Simpson home.
I fucking KNEW IT

Quote from: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on June 14, 2021, 04:52:40 PM
But I'm sure they either have or will ruin her by having her move in with the Simpsons because EVERYONE IN THE FUCKING TOWN KNOWS THIS FUCKING FAMILY AND CRASHES ON THEIR COUCH FOR SOME REASON.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on June 15, 2021, 10:00:44 PM
Season 22 - Episode 17 - Love Is a Many Strangled Thing

Burns and Smithers are doing an inspection of the plant in a balloon but a breeze carries them away. Homer tries to shoot the balloon and eventually manages to shoot a gargoyle which falls onto Burns' head and weighs them down to the ground. Mr Burns thanks homer with American Football ticket. The fan cam at the stadium compels the crowd to act like an "ass". Old Jewish Man does a dance, dies and then his ghost does a dance. Bart is called a party pooper by the screen for not dancing. Homer tickles Bart to make him laugh but he does it so much that Bart pisses himself and the whole audience see. Bart is embarrassed.

Marge says Homer has taken Bart's self-esteem and should try to be a better father so enrols him in a class. Homer mentions strangling Bart and the teacher and the rest of the class are all shocked. Homer returns a week later to find the teacher has told the rest of the class not to come and has brought in Kareem Abdul-Jabbar to pretend to be Homer and Homer who is dressed as Bart. Montage of Homer being strangled. Homer says he is cured. Homer tells Bart that he is cured and that he should try to provoke him. Bart provokes him and Homer has a fit on the floor. Bart realises Homer is scared of him now which is the plot of the episode.

Bart starts doing bad stuff and Homer can't strangle him. Homer has a nightmare in which he is the whole of the Jackson 5 and Bart is his manager. Marge tells Homer that Bart was bad at school and that Bart may need therapy but the therapists have gone out of business. Marge tracks down the therapist and he is destitute so she pays him beans to help.

The therapist has Bart and Homer go on a bonding trip. To start, Bart has to lead Homer around some cacti but of course he leads Homer right into them. Marge and Lisa watch sad horse films. Homer is up a tree with a noose around his neck and some scissors to the side and the therapist says if he jumps then Bart will cut him down. Homer jumps and starts choking but Bart sends a joke text to Moe instead. The therapist gets so enraged that he strangles Bart. Bart manages to cut Homer down who gets the therapist to stop choking Bart. Homer sues the therapist for everything he has which is a home built into a tree.

2/10 - The B-plot is two consecutive scenes in which Marge says that her and Lisa should watch some horse films and then they watch some horse films.

The best thing about this episode is that Channel 4 edited the Homer hanging scene but still received complaints, but then several months later they accidentally aired the same cut and complaints were made to Ofcom.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: purlieu on June 15, 2021, 10:13:38 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on June 15, 2021, 09:27:52 PMThat really tall man who Nelson mocked a decade and a half ago is in the audience.
Fuck's sake.
QuoteThe driver of the truck says that although Marge is crazy he would still have sex with her.
Fuck's sake.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: mippy on June 15, 2021, 10:38:05 PM
The strangling thing seems increasingly distasteful as we hit the show's thirties.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on June 15, 2021, 10:41:01 PM
Season 22 - Episode 18 - The Great Simpsina

The family go peach picking. They come home with lots of peaches. All of their meals involve peach but the family are sick of peaches. Homer takes Marge for a massage so Lisa and Bart can get rid of the peaches. Lisa ends up in a bad neighbourhood and gets chased by a racoon into a posh house. The owner comes home and he is a magician called The Great Raymondo. Ray shows Lisa some of his old tricks. Ray is sad about his late wife who used to be his partner. Lisa asks him to show her how to do some tricks. Ray eventually agrees to show Lisa some tricks which is the plot of the episode.

Lisa does tricks at the dinner table. Lisa has now mastered many tricks. Ray is sad about modern magicians on the TV particularly one called Cregg Demon. Montage of Lisa doing tricks. Lisa is cleaning Ray's house when she discovers a secret room with Ray's greatest trick inside which is getting locked inside a huge metal milk can. Ray tells Lisa that he trusts her with the secret. Lisa does the trick for the school. A new kid is impressed and Lisa tells him how she did it but the he reveals he is the son of the Cregg Demon and he tells his father the secret. Lisa apologises to Ray but he tells her to get out.

Homer tries to cheer Lisa up by telling her that although Judas betrayed Jesus, he still got paid. Homer goes to Ray but gets caught in a trap. Homer asks Ray to forgive Lisa. Ray forgives Lisa. Ray asks Lisa for help stopping Cregg Demon. They are too late to stop him but Cregg Demon gets stuck in the milk can. Lisa says they should help him but Ray refuses. David Copperfield, Ricky Jay and Penn & Teller turn up and tell Lisa that they switched the trick can for a regular one because Cregg Demon stole all their best tricks. Lisa is attacked by the magicians. Ray appears out of nowhere in a puff of smoke to help. Ray drops a girder onto the magicians. Ray saves Cregg Demon who says he is giving up magic. Ray and Lisa do a stage show. Ray inhales loads of Ether and dances with his dead wife. Credits roll.

3/10 - It wasn't offensive. It also wasn't particularly funny. At least it had a serviceable plot and Lisa was likeable for once.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on June 15, 2021, 11:16:40 PM
Season 22 - Episode 19 - The Real Housewives of Fat Tony

Homer, Bart and Lisa are waiting in a huge queue at the DMV. Homer makes them wait in line while he goes to the arcade but when he returns the kids tell him they will auction off their place in line. Fit Tony turns up and offers them a lollipop and they are scared enough to accept this offer. Selma is rude to Fit Tony so she is kidnapped by the mafia. Lisa and Bart are out in the forest and Lisa discovers that Bart can smell truffles. Bart and Lisa sell the truffles to the Italian Pizzeria guy who was looking for some with his pig.

Fit Tony threatens Selma with cutting off a body part but she isn't scared which Fit Tony finds endearing so he gets her some liposuction. Selma is now thin. Fit Tony and Selma are now dating which is the plot of the episode. Patty and Selma are chatting to Marge in the kitchen when Homer comes in and says "well well if it isn't before and after" while gesturing to Patty and Selma. This is the biggest laugh I have had watching The Simpsons in a very long time. Fit Tony is behind Homer and says he will forgive him if he draws a sketch of Patty showing her inner beauty but all his sketches are ugly.

Fit Tony and Selma have a montage of dates. Fit Tony proposes to Selma and she accepts. Bart gets more truffles. Fit Tony and Selma marry. Marge is annoyed about being seated right at the back of the room for the meal. Selma tells her it is because Homer would have embaressed them. Fit Tony invites Marge and Homer to a weekend at his mansion. Bart can't find any more truffles so Lisa ties Bart up and blinds him so he can concentrate on finding truffles but this leads him to Lisa's bedroom where she had hidden a truffle and she reveals she has been eating them. Bart gives the last truffle to the pig from earlier and it goes batshit crazy and eats all the food at the pizzeria.

Marge does not want to go to Fit Tony's mansion but Homer says him and Fit Tony think it is a chance to reconcile. Marge and Selma fight again. Fit Tony and Homer get along. Marge gets a bit drunk and seems to patch things up with Selma. Selma gets her tits out in the hot tub but Marge stops Homer from looking at them. Marge and Homer try to find their room but end up overhearing Fit Tony talk about how he needs to look good for his "goomar" which Marge thinks is mob speak for mistress. Marge tells Selma and she is sad. Selma confronts Fit Tony and he confesses but says it isn't what she thinks. A crazy woman drives through the fence and asks where the other woman is. Turns out that Selma and Fit Tony didn't really get married but actually had vows for Selma to be his "goomar" and the other woman is really Fit Tony's wife. Credits roll and I guess we are supposed to assume that Fit Tony and Selma split up and that Selma puts the weight back on.

3/10 - They do not acknowledge Fat Tony's death and replacement at any point. Stupidly I thought that the twist at the end would be that the lady turning up would actually be the old Fat Tony's wife who doesn't know her husband is dead. Boy do I feel silly.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on June 15, 2021, 11:51:15 PM
Season 22 - Episode 20 - Homer Scissorhands

Quote from: JamesTC on June 15, 2021, 11:16:40 PM
Season 22 - Episode 19 - The Real Housewives of Fat Tony

Credits roll and I guess we are supposed to assume that Fit Tony and Selma split up and that Selma puts the weight back on.

The very first shot of this episode is Selma back to normal. Timely.

Lisa is painting Patty and Selma. Bart pisses about and paint gets in Patty's hair and ruins it. Lisa says they need the help of somebody older and wiser. Hard cut to Homer laughing at Patty's hair. Lisa points out that Homer will get part of the blame as he is the supervising parent. Homer cuts Patty's hair with some hedge cutters but does a great job. Turns out Homer is a good hairdresser which is the plot of the episode. Homer also does Selma's hair.

Milhouse watches Finding Nemo and realises that if death can happen to a fish then it can happen to anybody. Patty and Selma get compliments for their hair. Homer asked to cut another woman's hair. Homer decides to open up a salon. Milhouse is living each day like it's his last so he reveals to everybody in the canteen that Lisa is his dream girl and he will not stop until he is her boyfriend and then he performs a song for her. Lisa tells Milhouse that she doesn't love him and she never will. Some other girl called Taffy tells Milhouse that she thought his song was sweet. Homer now has his salon and is doing the hair for all the women in town but he hates listening to all the gabbing.

Milhouse is now dating Taffy. Lisa suspects that there must be a reason Taffy is dating Milhouse. Homer continues to be bored by all the chit chat and runs out the salon blindly cutting stuff such as skipping rope, dog leads and the stanchions holding up a bridge. Homer goes to Moe's where all the husbands are for some reason and tells the guys how bored he is and Kirk says he can forget about everything the wives said but then Homer visualises all the annoying stuff the women told him about their husbands.

Homer shuts down the salon but Wiggum forces him to do his wife's hair. He now can't quit for some reason. Lenny comes in and tells Homer that he should just do what he does at the plant: do a bad job. Homer tries but fails. Lisa investigates Taffy on the internet. Homer is haunted by the hair and Marge feels bad. Milhouse goes on a hike with Taffy and Lisa stalks them. Hans Moleman and Lunch lady Doris are dating. Milhouse and Taffy see Lisa. Taffy breaks up with Milhouse saying that he isn't over Lisa. Milhouse says that she doesn't want them to be together but she doesn't want him to be with somebody else. Lisa feels bad and kisses Milhouse. Milhouse asks if this means she likes him and she says she doesn't know but that he looks cute in the moonlight. Milhouse faints and falls off the cliff but is saved by an eagle. That's the end of that plot.

(https://i.imgur.com/68KUvIw.jpg)

Homer and Marge are going to some party. Marge has a new haircut but Homer reveals it was another hairdresser who did it. The women crowd the other hairdresser and Homer is free from his hairdressing duties. Homer cleans Marge's hair in the back garden. Credits roll.

3/10 - Lucky to get that after the fucking eagle.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on June 15, 2021, 11:55:40 PM
how are there so many bad simpsons episodes now. it's like a formerly pristine harbour got filled up with flotsam and sewage so it is now a landmass of complete fucking shit
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Master Cylinder on June 16, 2021, 05:04:59 AM
Quote from: JamesTC on June 15, 2021, 11:16:40 PM

Stupidly I thought that the twist at the end would be that the lady turning up would actually be the old Fat Tony's wife who doesn't know her husband is dead. Boy do I feel silly.

You see, that'd be almost interesting. Which we can't have here.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: neov1974 on June 16, 2021, 10:47:21 AM
Hal discovers a talent for haircutting and becomes a barber for all the local women in a Malcolm in the Middle episode.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: dissolute ocelot on June 16, 2021, 10:52:34 AM
Reading all the summaries it's like they've been pulling episode ideas out of a hat: "magicians", "hairdressers", "Italian-Americans".

I thought I'd seen pretty much every episode, but I'm not sure if we're reaching episodes Sky doesn't bother to show, or just episodes I forgot. If only I could forget the Fat Tony one, though (I have seen at least 2/3rds of that and it's like wallowing in a vat of really cheap oil). Are rich, criminal Italian Americans an ethnic group I should be offended on behalf of?
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Leej88 on June 16, 2021, 11:14:06 AM
Plus Homer's rich scheme of the week from the early day's Sugar, Springs, Grease, etc get really repetitive.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on June 16, 2021, 11:23:58 AM
Fuck wrong thread
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: mippy on June 16, 2021, 03:04:13 PM
Quote from: neov1974 on June 16, 2021, 10:47:21 AM
Hal discovers a talent for haircutting and becomes a barber for all the local women in a Malcolm in the Middle episode.

The Lisa plot feels very much like something Bob's Burgers would have done in a much funnier way.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on June 16, 2021, 08:39:36 PM
Season 22 - Episode 21 - 500 Keys

Homer and the kids are buying a returned wedding cake. Homer takes a suicidal path home across a mountain to avoid traffic. Maggie gets locked in the car when they return home and Marge panics revealing loads of spare keys. Maggie manages to get herself out using the car keys. The Simpsons find they have keys to loads of places around town that they have accumulated over time which is the plot of the episode.

Homer and Barney use the keys to the Duff brewery to take a look around. Homer takes the Duff blimp for a joyride. Marge finds a key to a train toy which farts as it goes along and it gets loose. Lisa has a key to every room in Springfield Elementary which she plans to return to Skinner but Nelson convinces her to use it herself. Lisa finds secret rooms in the basement one of which has a beautiful classroom but everything is faked just to look good. Homer pisses about in the blimp. Marge chases the farting train thing which is offending people around town. Lisa tells Skinner about the room but when they go there the entrance has been replaced by a bookshelf and she looks a fool.

Bart uses a key for a window washing lift outside a building. He moons everybody as he rises up the building but Gil tries to kill himself and falls on the lift and Bart is a hero. Skinner gets the key off Lisa. Homer flies about in the blimp wildly. Homer is chased by a police blimp. Lisa gets a replica of the key made from a picture. Lisa finds the bookcase is just a fake and ten enters the room to find Otto in shadow writing "The children are on bus 23". Marge continues to chase the train. Lisa and Bart ask Nelson (who has been held back many years) about bus 23 and he reveals the bus drove over a dangerous ice bridge but was never seen again. Homer wants Lisa and Bart to empty his piss bucket.

Homer takes Bart and Lisa to the ice bridge and Lisa falls out the blimp and lands in a lake which has the bus at the bottom of it. Homer follows Lisa down. The child corpses all rise to the surface but it turns out they are mannequins. Lisa and Homer are going to drown for some reason. The farting train thing turns up and knocks an old tree over which Lisa and Homer grab onto. Otto turns up and it turns out he thought the children were real and that he fled the scene thinking he had killed them all. Skinner reveals that his pants were washed with a government grant in so they faked the classroom. In an epilogue, Otto is driving the bus across the ice bridge but isn't worried as the bus is filled with mannequins but actually the bus is filled with kids and then he drives it into the icy water. Hopefully they all die a horrible death. Credits roll.

2/10 - Stony faced silence: the episode
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: dissolute ocelot on June 16, 2021, 08:50:21 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on June 16, 2021, 08:39:36 PM
Season 22 - Episode 21 - 500 Keys
Another interesting idea utterly squandered.

It feels like this is a parody of something, with the missing class and dead (or not) kids, probably from the 1970s, does anybody know what?
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on June 16, 2021, 09:18:33 PM
Season 22 - Episode 22 - The Ned-Liest Catch

Bart is going nuts in assembly and causing havoc. Krabappel slaps Bart and the whole school is shocked. Krabappel is suspended and until her hearing she must go to a teacher holding facility, which is just a place where they try to force teachers to quit so they don't have to deal with them. Bart turns up to try to break Krabappel out. Krabappel makes a teacher/student paedophilia joke. Bart goes down the ladder to escape the building but when Krabappel goes down, the ladder breaks but Flanders catches her. Flanders and Krabappel decide to go on a date which is the plot of the episode.

Flanders parts the sea using God magic. Krabappel is able to return to work. Krabappel takes off her bra but Flanders reveals he isn't into pre-marital sex. They watch a cheese documentary and get closer. Bart is annoyed when he realises Krabappel will be next door all the time. Santa's Little Helper can do maths because he is a good doggy. Homer and Bart are throwing various balls over the fence to annoy Flanders but Krabappel is watching and has a grimace. Krabappel and Flanders knock and Krabappel tells Homer to stop being rude to Flanders and to return everything he borrowed from him. Homer and Bart create a plan to break them up. Homer tries to show Flanders how good the single life is and Bart tries to scare Rod and Todd off Krabappel.

Bart fails in scaring off Rod and Todd with stories of Cinderella, as they already do the housework like she did for her evil stepmother. Homer wishes Krabappel and Flanders well after a conversation with Flanders but then everybody at the bar talks about how they all know Krabappel if you know what I mean. What I mean is they all had sex with her. Flanders is now sad. Flanders is cold with Krabappel. Flanders sees the faces of all of Krabappel's past lovers on hers when he goes to kiss her. Flanders leaves her flat screaming. Homer tries to convince Flanders to "forgive" Krabappel. Flanders tells Krabappel that he forgives her for dating all the men and she flips saying she isn't ashamed of her past and he will have to accept her as she is. Flanders says this will have to be decided by a higher power...

The screen freezes and Marge and Homer come on screen to reveal that whether they are staying together will be put to a public vote on TheSimpsons.com. Credits roll with Marge saying that if you are watching this on reruns or DVD then you can't vote anymore. Homer berates the audience for not being there when it originally aired and he doesn't want them to watch. Marge suggests that there is still great content on TheSimpsons.com even if you can't vote. That is unless the internet is down. Homer suggests that we could be living under Sharia Law or the machines have risen. Total fucking desperate shit.

TheSimpsons.com now redirects to either the Fox website or Disney+.

3/10 - I liked the bit when Santa's Little Helper did the maths.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on June 16, 2021, 10:18:07 PM
Season 23 - Episode 1 - The Falcon and the D'ohman

The episode opens with Comic Book Guy telling the viewer that the results of "Nedna" will be seeded throughout the episode and revealed at the end. Does anybody actually give a shit?

Homer arrives late in work singing a song and puts his time card in to say he did loads of overtime. Homer tries to fistbump the security guard but it turns out it is a new security guard called Wayne who is aloof. Homer tries to befriend him and he vows his fist will be bumped. Marge fantasises she is on a reality cooking show. Homer is sad that Wayne doesn't like him.

Homer is driving home in the rain when he sees Wayne so offers him a lift. Wayne agrees to have one single beer with Homer but says their relationship must stay professional after this. Wayne goes to the toilet when Snake arrives and steals from everybody at Moe's but then Wayne saves them all. Wayne goes to the Simpsons house for a meal and he reveals he has special training to learn self-defence moves. Wayne leaves after we see a flashback to his self-defence training which is all wacky and he beat up Kobe Bryant. Flanders comes to the window and reveals a big change in his life: he is now drinking orange juice with pulp in. Ha fucking ha.

Wayne is now hounded by the press when he turns up for work. We see a Taiwan recreation of Wayne stopping Snake. Remember those Taiwan animations that were all the rage back then? Thank god that hasn't dated! Wayne just wants to get on with his job. Burns wants to give Wayne a silver hat but Wayne has a flashback to when he was a secret agent and had to have his memory erased by a silver hat and this makes him strangle Burns. Wayne is fired so Homer says he can stay at his home. Homer remembers a nightmare he had about the war against the machines with Lenny and Carl getting killed by a terminator.

Wayne keeps having PTSD about his tortured past. Flanders and Krabappel are revealed to be in bed together with a very brief shot. Wayne gives the family self-defence tricks. Wayne has more flashbacks to horrible events. Some guy in the Ukraine is watching memes on MyTube when he discovers Wayne on there and reveals he killed everybody he knew. Homer is kidnapped by the Ukrainian gangsters. Wayne has a flashback to the Ukrainian gangster's wife getting shot in the face. Wayne rescues Homer. Wayne stabs the Ukrainian gangster in the neck with a piece of broken glass. Wayne says he has to leave but fist bumps Homer before he goes. Marge suggests Wayne go and work for the DMV. Wayne goes to work for the DMV. Wayne has a flashback.

Credits roll with Krabappel and Flanders thanking fans for voting for them to stay together.

2/10 - The new season is off to a flying start.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: purlieu on June 16, 2021, 10:45:39 PM
Only another nine seasons until you're caught up with the state of the show today!
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Bernice on June 16, 2021, 10:48:12 PM
I had forgotten that Ned and Edna got together; I'm not sure I ever knew that it was put to a public vote. Fucking dire. Remember when Matt Groening thought that doing a crossover episode was beneath him, even when it produced a very good half hour of television?
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on June 16, 2021, 11:21:22 PM
Season 23 - Episode 2 - Bart Stops to Smell the Roosevelts

This guy does the couch gag. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kricfalusi#Sexual_abuse_allegations) The Simpsons can't predict everything.

The family are going to a fundraiser for Springfield Elementary. Skinner is doing an auction and Bart prank calls pretending to be a wealthy woman from England and buys everything. Bart reveals the prank and everybody leaves for some reason. Skinner is berated by Super Nintendo Chalmers in the teacher's lounge and Skinner talks back telling him he would like to see him handle Bart. SNES Chalmers agrees to personally take responsibility of Bart which is the plot of the episode.

SNES has a flashback to when he was the teacher in The Breakfast Club except they all beat him up and did a dance on him. SNES teaches Bart about the American presidents. Bart finds Theodore Roosevelt interesting. SNES takes Bart to a national park set up by Roosevelt. Bart and Lisa fight over the best Roosevelt. Bart talks up Roosevelt to other boys at school so they all visit SNES at his home. SNES talks about how schools are now tailored to girls and that boys need to experience things to learn. SNES takes the boys to search for some of Roosevelt's spectacles in the Springfield forest. Nelson finds the glasses but falls down a big hill. SNES is reprimanded for taking the boys on an unauthorised field trip and Nelson's mother says she will sue him. SNES loses his job.

Bart can't learn in class because he only learned well through the way SNES taught him. Bart assembles the boys to get SNES his job back. The gang get all the teachers outside the school and then lock all the doors. Police and media turn up. SNES arrives and tells them to stand down but they say they won't until he gets his job back. Chief Wiggum accidentally shoots State Comptroller Atkins in the knee and he gives SNES his job back. Bart and SNES go on a horse ride through the national park. Credits roll.

2/10 - Even when The Simpsons was bad in earlier seasons it at least had some jokes. This production run really seems to have lightened up on the jokes which is just making the whole thing even worse. I spent the entire episode thinking of that one good joke from to decades ago when Ralph calls him a SNES.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on June 16, 2021, 11:50:31 PM
Season 23 - Episode 3 - Treehouse of Horror XXII

Lisa and Bart return from trick or treating where Marge steals the candy to give to the army. Homer takes the candy to a cliff to eat himself. Homer falls down the cliff and gets his arm trapped. The rescue will take 20 minutes but that is too long so he bites his arm off but then opens the bag to find it had vegetables in and the kids are eating the candy at home.

The Diving Bell and the Butterball

Homer is paralysed and cannot move or speak. He remembers he got bitten by a spider. Lisa reads for him but he is so bored so he does a big fart to express his annoyance. Turns out he can communicate via farting. He writes a letter to Marge using his farts. Homer then gets bitten by another spider and becomes a paralysed Spiderman.

1/10

Dial D for Diddily

Parody of Dexter. Flanders is a murderer. Burns is dumping nuclear waste in the Springfield river so Flanders murders him. He then kills Snake. He then kills Patty and Selma. Turns out Homer is pretending to be God using a voice changer and telling him to do all this stuff. Patty and Selma are killed in a Road Runner parody for absolutely no reason. Flanders realises it is Homer behind it and says he is going to Hell so he will kill Homer. God turns up and kills Homer and blames Flanders when Marge walks in. Marge asks if God can return things back to normal but God says that the man downstairs wouldn't like it. The Devil turns up and Maude is his girlfriend.

1/10

In the Na'vi

AVATAR. AVATAR BIT. OTHER AVATAR BIT. BART HAS AVATAR SEX. BART GONNA BE AVATAR DADDY. MILITARY DEFEATED BY AVATARS LIKE IN AVATAR.

1/10

Absolute fucking shit. As funny as polio. The Avatar section has to be one of the most pathetic things The Simpsons has ever done.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on June 17, 2021, 12:01:53 AM
Quote from: JamesTC on June 16, 2021, 11:21:22 PM
SNES talks about how schools are now tailored to girls and that boys need to experience things to learn.
oh boy I love how "sit quietly and listen to teacher" was fine until girls started out-performing boys and now boys have to be allowed to swing out of the ceiling in order to learn
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JaDanketies on June 17, 2021, 12:20:08 AM
Quote from: dissolute ocelot on June 16, 2021, 08:50:21 PM
Another interesting idea utterly squandered.

It feels like this is a parody of something, with the missing class and dead (or not) kids, probably from the 1970s, does anybody know what?

The Goosebumps book The Haunted School? (https://goosebumps.fandom.com/wiki/The_Haunted_School)
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on June 17, 2021, 01:13:32 AM
if these episodes were a person i couldnt hold myself back from punching them in the fucking face
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Catalogue Trousers on June 17, 2021, 02:17:00 AM
Oh dear God, The Diving Bell And The Butterball. As I said, back on 8th January, 2014...

QuoteSaw one of the more recent Treehouse Of Horror episodes last night. It kicks off with a story about Homer being paralysed by a spider bite and only being able to communicate by farting. At the end of the tale, he gets bitten by another spider and turns into a paralysed Spiderman who goes around farting.

That is all.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: mippy on June 17, 2021, 07:33:23 AM
I had absolutely forgotten about the Taiwan animation thing and had to Google to remember what the heck it even was.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Leej88 on June 17, 2021, 08:57:05 AM
The Simpsons is like a old dog that is way past it's prime and needs to be took to the woods and shot.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: dissolute ocelot on June 17, 2021, 12:15:18 PM
Season 23 ep 1 is a parody of an obscure old action movie (John Schlesinger's The Falcon and the Snowman), ep 2 is an educational short about Theodore Roosevelt, and ep 3 is unfunny parodies of some fairly recent stuff that the audience might have seen (5 years old at most). Nothing if not variety!

(And actually the Dexter parody isn't terrible at first, even if they've no idea how to end it[nb]a problem all the Treehouse of Horrors have[/nb], although I certainly agree it's not funny.)
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Leej88 on June 17, 2021, 05:10:13 PM
That Futurama crossover was unfunny and boring.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on June 17, 2021, 08:31:24 PM
I forgot to mention earlier that Avatar Milhouse had an STD.

Season 23 - Episode 4 - Replaceable You

Bart is watching Itchy and Scratchy. Lisa shows Bart her science fair project. Bart works on his covid cootie shot but then gives up as it is too similar to his earlier cootie patch. Bart asks Martin for help. Homer is at work when he finds out he has a new assistant called Roz. Santa's Little Helper is wearing a Darth Vader helmet which gives Bart the idea to build a robo-pet. Homer thinks Santa's Little Helper is the real Darth Vader. Martin builds a robo-seal which proceeds to attack Bart. Bart then sets the robo-seal on Homer. Lisa comes second whereas Bart/Martin come first. Lisa is unhappy about coming 2nd. The seal cheers up Jasper at the old folks home.

Homer asks Roz to cover for him while he goes to see a movie with Barney. The movie is Paul Flart Water Park Cop. Homer arrives home and Burns is there and demotes him for skiving. Old Jewish Guy comes to Bart/Martin asking for more robo-seals. Roz is now Homer's boss. Roz turns up at Moe's and pays for drinks. The robo-seals go down a storm at the retirement home. Some evil businessmen decide to rewire the seals to be aggressive again for some reason. Roz is a mean boss to Homer. A woman at the retirement home is killed by one of the seals. The seals are taken into custody. Bart/Martin go to Frink for help getting the robots out of jail.

Homer talks to Flanders about Roz and he realises he knew her at a bible camp. Roz went crazy at Flanders when he hugged her. NAMBLA joke. Frink and the three nerds help send a signal to the seals to get them out. Roz is getting employee of the millennium award. Homer says Burns should hug Roz. Burns hugs Roz. Roz attacks Burns. Burns fires Roz. Homer gets his head stuck in the award. The robo-seals return to the retirement home. Everybody does a dance including Jesus and the dead lady in heaven.

2/10 - I liked it when Santa's Little Helper wore a Darth Vader helmet.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Master Cylinder on June 18, 2021, 06:26:44 AM
Quote from: JamesTC on January 16, 2021, 07:33:49 PM
Season 20 - Episode 15 - Wedding for Disaster

The HDTV did not fall off the wall.

The Parson (like a Bishop, I think) is visiting Springfield and everybody is really excited for some reason. He speaks to Reverend Lovejoy and tells him his ministerial certification has lapsed, so the various ceremonies are invalid which includes Homer and Marge's marriage which is the plot of the episode.

Homer tells Marge that the next wedding will be one she deserves. Homer is really romantic and proposes to Marge again. Homer and Marge plan the wedding. Marge is controlling and won't listen to any of Homer's suggestions at all. Homer accuses Marge of being a bridezilla. On the day of the wedding everything is as Marge wants it, but Homer has gone missing. Homer is trapped in a room like off of the Saw films.

Lisa and Bart discover a keyring on the floor with the initials SB which they believe to be Sideshow Bob's. They visit Bob and he is making a bust of Krusty. Krusty confirms he was with Bob all day, so it couldn't be him. Turns out the keyring belongs to Selma Bouvier, and it is Patty and Selma that have taken Homer hostage. Homer asks for his wedding vows to be read to Marge and reads them out for his captor and they have a change of heart. Homer reunites with Marge. Lisa and Bart confront Patty and Selma and force them to pay another wedding. Credits roll.

3/10

Surprised you didn't bring up that horrid joke about Helen Lovejoy being transgender.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: St_Eddie on June 19, 2021, 04:38:28 PM
Quote from: Leej88 on June 17, 2021, 08:57:05 AM
The Simpsons is like a old dog that is way past it's prime and needs to be took to the woods and shot.

Old Yellow.  Like Old Yeller, but Old Yellow because the Simpsons are yellow.  lol
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on June 19, 2021, 07:11:00 PM
god I bet there's an episode called "Old Yellow"
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Leej88 on June 19, 2021, 07:27:50 PM
Give it time.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JaDanketies on June 20, 2021, 09:41:59 AM
The one where Santa's Little Helper becomes the Duff mascot is called Old Yeller-Belly
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: The Mollusk on June 20, 2021, 10:52:08 AM
Remember the one where they flash-forward and Lisa is president, and an adult Bart shags Miss Hoover and makes a joke about her proficiency in giving oral sex? Season 11, that was. 21 years ago.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Ornlu on June 20, 2021, 11:20:11 AM
Quote from: The Mollusk on June 20, 2021, 10:52:08 AM
Remember the one where they flash-forward and Lisa is president, and an adult Bart shags Miss Hoover and makes a joke about her proficiency in giving oral sex? Season 11, that was. 21 years ago.

You're conflating two separate episodes; Lisa was President in the Season 11 one, but the Miss Hoover joke comes from season 25's Days of Future Future, which aired in 2014. Still no less unforgivable, of course.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: The Mollusk on June 20, 2021, 11:21:31 AM
Ah my bad! Thanks for clarifying. That joke is fuckin gross.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Petey Pate on June 20, 2021, 11:23:46 AM
Quote from: The Mollusk on June 20, 2021, 10:52:08 AM
Remember the one where they flash-forward and Lisa is president, and an adult Bart shags Miss Hoover and makes a joke about her proficiency in giving oral sex? Season 11, that was. 21 years ago.

Two different episodes.  The Miss Hoover joke was more recent, god knows what season though. Ornlu already got there.

I remember thinking that the season 11 episode where Lisa is president was the worst episode I'd ever seen when I first saw it (probably less than 21 years ago).  The voice actors didn't even bother (or weren't directed to) change the character's voices for their older versions.  Now that episode has some notoriety for 'predicting President Trump', but its still a very poor episode.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Master Cylinder on June 20, 2021, 11:40:27 AM
Quote from: Ornlu on June 20, 2021, 11:20:11 AM
25's Days of Future Future, which aired in 2014. Still no less unforgivable, of course.

Which features a plot of Homer constantly dying and getting cloned. Bleh.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on June 20, 2021, 12:13:02 PM
QuoteIn the future, a new clone of Homer is created each time he dies, Lisa's husband is a zombie-version of Milhouse and Bart has custody issues with his ex-wife.

What a synopsis that one has.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on June 20, 2021, 12:30:53 PM
Quote from: Master Cylinder on June 18, 2021, 06:26:44 AM
Surprised you didn't bring up that horrid joke about Helen Lovejoy being transgender.

I think in Season 20 I was more willing to let the odd bad joke go as they were at least trying to pack in the jokes even if the hit rate was poor. Now they don't pack in the jokes and the hit rate is still poor. In fairness though, they seem to have dropped the offensive jokes... mostly.

Previous to watching through all of The Simpsons, I didn't realise just how much the show changes every couple of seasons. Even in the later eras there are distinct writing styles. Different shades of shit is still shit, but it keeps things interesting at least.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Oh, Nobody on June 20, 2021, 03:45:16 PM
Quote from: dissolute ocelot on June 16, 2021, 08:50:21 PM
Another interesting idea utterly squandered.

It feels like this is a parody of something, with the missing class and dead (or not) kids, probably from the 1970s, does anybody know what?

The Sweet Hereafter (1997) Which is a weird thing to reference let alone base an entire plot around.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: popcorn on June 20, 2021, 06:14:18 PM
You're fucking kidding me, The Simpsons did a parody of The Sweet Hereafter?
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Leej88 on June 20, 2021, 06:17:03 PM
after 32 years they have run out of ideas, oh wait that was 20 years ago.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Harpo Speaks on June 20, 2021, 11:57:14 PM
Quote from: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on June 19, 2021, 07:11:00 PM
god I bet there's an episode called "Old Yellow"

There is an episode called 'Old Yeller-Belly', but that's going way back at this point, think it was around Season 14/15 time.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on June 21, 2021, 12:13:02 AM
Yellow Man Bad
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: dissolute ocelot on June 21, 2021, 12:03:12 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on June 17, 2021, 08:31:24 PM
The movie is Paul Flart Water Park Cop.
RIP McBain.

The seal episode definitely deserves a prize for being among the most baffling. Surely it's sexual harassment to hug someone who doesn't like to be touched? LOL.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Mobbd on June 23, 2021, 11:36:06 AM
I just watched Duffless from Season 4 as part of a lazy OLD Simpsons rewatch. Holy wow, it's a goodie. I don't think this is nostalgia on my part: I didn't remember it well and it was almost good as new (you know, if "new" didn't mean "shit"). Zinger after potent zinger. A machine gun of really funny images and ideas.

Idly wondering if this special-feeling episode was written by John Swartzwelder (who we all saw interviewed in the New Yorker recently and has a list of huge Simpsons hits), I looked it up and found that it was written by David M. Stern. I don't know much about Simpsons writers so this didn't mean much to me. It looks like he wrote some pretty good episodes back in the day (Homer Alone, Selma's Choice) and then returned for a Season 28 episode after an 18-year absence. Kamp Krustier. Figured I'd give it a shot. New episode by an old writer. See how it stacked up.

NO. I will not watch this.

Even the titles rubbed me up the wrong way (none of this being Stern's fault but the failures of the titles are of a similar tone to those of the episode itself so bear with me). After the now-standard clutter of flavorless in-jokes, we see Bart writing on the blackboard "We're the only house where the Christmas Tree is still up," which isn't anything a school kid would be asked to write as punishment ever. It's not even in the right parlance. At best it would be "Christmas Trees should not be up in June," but even that would be bending it. We then smashcut artlessly to the garage, presumably to max out the amount of weak sauce we can pump into the episode itself. The couch gag (in which the screen becomes an old-fashioned pinball table resulting in Homer choking on the ball) isn't inherently lame but the timing on the edit is all wrong and drains the bit of any personality it might have had.

We then see Santa's Little Helper sniffing around a kid-free Simpsons' house, which made me feel sad in the way that the Big Brother house makes me feel sad after everyone is evicted; and then some tepid piss from Chief Wiggum and Lou as they break up Homer and Marge's rutting in the treehouse for some reason (illegal? immoral? apparently Flanders reported them anonymously - was this a joke?) and some very, very weak stuff about the kids coming home from Kamp Krusty. Nelson comes off the bus (driven implausibly by Krusty himself) and says "the basketball teams were skins versus bones."

No more, thanks.

So what, really, is up with new The Simpsons, you watch-along gang? Seriously, please tell me. The new writers are shit and apparently so are the old ones and so are the showrunners (or whoever is responsible for general tone and editing style and vision and continuity). I will not watch another moment of this guff. Give me Duffless on repeat.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Leej88 on June 23, 2021, 11:47:34 AM
The Bee bit my Bottom, Now my Bottom Big.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on June 23, 2021, 12:00:20 PM
To pick up one minor point, Krusty would have been driving the bus following the end of Kamp Krusty because he drove them all to Tijuana.

As I understand it, Kamp Krustier is about them all getting PTSD from the events. Which is such a shit idea for The Simpsons.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Leej88 on June 23, 2021, 12:03:29 PM
Who knew Krusty could drive, Yeah he can fly a plane but he has always been driven around by a chauffeur.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Jumblegraws on June 23, 2021, 12:03:40 PM
Quote from: Leej88 on June 23, 2021, 11:47:34 AM
The Bee bit my Bottom, Now my Bottom Big.
That's from Homer Goes to College. If you knew this and weren't responding Mobbd but just doing a funny quote, I apologise for being a snickerpuss.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Leej88 on June 23, 2021, 12:09:04 PM
You want one from Duffless

When I was 17 I had a very good beer, I had a very good beer which I purchased with a Fake ID, My name was Brian Magee I stayed up listening to Queen when I was 17.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Mobbd on June 23, 2021, 12:14:23 PM
Quote from: Leej88 on June 23, 2021, 12:03:29 PM
Who knew Krusty could drive, Yeah he can fly a plane but he has always been driven around by a chauffeur.

I really just meant that he's a TV entertainer who was pals with Jay Leno. It doesn't seem plausible to me that he would personally drive the customers home from one of his many business concerns. It's like Ronald McDonald personally driving the kids home from a McDonalds birthday party or something. But James is right that its consistent with canon.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Mobbd on June 23, 2021, 12:15:29 PM
Quote from: Leej88 on June 23, 2021, 12:09:04 PM
You want one from Duffless

When I was 17 I had a very good beer, I had a very good beer which I purchased with a Fake ID, My name was Brian Magee I stayed up listening to Queen when I was 17.

Lisa: I've grown a futuristic tomato by fertilizing it with anabolic steroids.
Bart: The kind that help our Olympic athletes reach new peaks of excellence?
Lisa: The very same.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Leej88 on June 23, 2021, 12:15:51 PM
After everything that happened at Kamp Krusty it is the least he can do.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Mobbd on June 23, 2021, 12:19:08 PM
Judge: Your license is hereby revoked and you are to attend traffic school and two months of AA meetings.
Homer: Your honor, I'd like that last remark stricken from the record.
Judge: No.

and

Homer: All right, starting tomorrow no beer for a month.
(Marge turns off the light and Homer opens a can, audibly)
Marge: What was that noise?
Homer: I was saying, "Psssst, I love you."

and

Homer: I'm here for the Alc-Anon meeting.
Rev. Lovejoy: Mm-hm. Third door on your left. [Jasper walks up] Coping with senility?
Jasper: [gruff] No. I'm here for Microwave Cookery. No, wait. Coping with senility.

and

Rev. Lovejoy: So Homer, please feel free to tell us anything. There's no judgment here.
Homer: The other day I was so desperate for a beer I snuck into a football stadium and ate the dirt under the bleachers.
(Everyone in the meeting gasp in disgust.)

and

Marge: I don't know if I like you experimenting on your brother.
Lisa: Please, mother, it's purely in the interest of science.
Lisa's Brain: That'll learn 'em to bust my tomater.

That's enough already. Sorry.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Leej88 on June 23, 2021, 12:22:24 PM
I cast thee out.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: The Mollusk on June 23, 2021, 12:24:38 PM
Krusty has been shown driving his own car as far back as season 3 episode "Homer Alone". Here he is giving his monkey a bollocking:

(https://frinkiac.com/img/S03E15/360619.jpg)
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Leej88 on June 23, 2021, 12:26:42 PM
Ah right me forgot
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Mobbd on June 23, 2021, 12:29:30 PM
Heh. Okay, okay. It wasn't my intention to nitpick Simpsons canon. Check out the rest of what I said about Duffless versus Kamp Krustier please. Or don't. Either way, I take it back that Krusty's driving the bus is implausible (even though really it is a bit).
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on June 23, 2021, 12:45:05 PM
A car?!? He would need a class-B commercial drivers licence to drive a bus. Really this sort of thing is not on!!!
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Len Pounds on June 23, 2021, 01:12:09 PM
Sure Krusty drove them to Tijuana, but who was driving that bus when they left 🤔

(https://frinkiac.com/img/S04E01/1296044.jpg)
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on June 23, 2021, 01:13:45 PM
I hope somebody was fired for that blunder.

I'm fact why not fire them all.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: purlieu on June 23, 2021, 01:27:46 PM
Quote from: Mobbd on June 23, 2021, 11:36:06 AM
I don't think this is nostalgia on my part
It's not: when I watched the Entire Simpsons (Until Midway Through Season 10 When I Gave Up Through Desperation) a couple of years ago, there were season 2 episodes I'd never seen, and they were exceptionally good. It was so nice to find good Simpsons that were new to me.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on June 23, 2021, 01:36:41 PM
it's remarkable how having seen every episode of series 1-8 if not up to 11 is completely unremarkable for pretty much any English-speaking millennial
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Pink Gregory on June 23, 2021, 01:55:08 PM
We've been watching seasons 4 and 5 after we got to shit-the-bed time around season 15 (I think I have more tolerance with zombie simpsons because those are the ones I've seen the most); and it's interesting to note what develops later - Nelson's Dad is the soccer coach, Krusty lives in a normal house rather than a mansion, it's even surprising to see the first episode featuring Dr Nick Riviera and think that he could have just been a one off. 
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on June 23, 2021, 02:43:23 PM
And I would say it changed at eight because the showrunners changed and more writers started to leave and some became more prominent, for the worse. Eight is only 1997, and it has a few poor episodes, overall it's good. Nine has the infamous shark-jumping Tamzarian episode but also some real stinkers (Simpson Tide).

Ten is the first one to come up against Family Guy. Maybe this is why it shifted very hard tonally to Jerkass Homer and far more "The Simpson are going to!" plots.

Eleven it's funny to remember aired on the BBC, because I wasn't even bothering to watch it when it did. I remember seeing the Kid Rock and Joel C on Sky One and being like "nope".[nb]Lest us forget that Kill the Alligator and Run was written by John Swartzwelder though[/nb] It should've been put out of its misery with Behind the Laughter.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Len Pounds on June 23, 2021, 03:13:49 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on June 23, 2021, 01:13:45 PM
I hope somebody was fired for that blunder.

I'm fact why not fire them all.

Must have majored in not getting fired...
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on June 23, 2021, 03:19:26 PM
I still stand that Season 10 is a classic season. A big drop off from the high of 4-9 but by no means the cliff that comes with Season 11.

I've often thought that the tone and quality of The Simpsons can be correlated broadly with Seinfeld. Season 8 and 9 go more slapstick and silly but it is still great. Just imagine if Seinfeld was now starting Season 32.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Len Pounds on June 23, 2021, 03:43:11 PM
Anything after season 10 is a complete no-go for me.

Season 9 and 10 have some decent episodes and some memorable jokes, but even at their best they are only on a par with the lesser episodes from the earlier seasons. And given the shift in tone, and even things like the animation and the design starting to become less likable, I found I no longer enjoyed them much at all on a recent rewatch.

I actually found season 10 to be slightly better than 9, but to be honest I'm happy to draw a line after season 8 these days.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: buttgammon on June 23, 2021, 04:24:20 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on June 23, 2021, 03:19:26 PM
I still stand that Season 10 is a classic season. A big drop off from the high of 4-9 but by no means the cliff that comes with Season 11.

I've often thought that the tone and quality of The Simpsons can be correlated broadly with Seinfeld. Season 8 and 9 go more slapstick and silly but it is still great. Just imagine if Seinfeld was now starting Season 32.

A sobering thought - imagine if they were still making Seinfeld, but with increasingly desperate celebrity cameos (Kramer auditions for American Idol and bombs, but ends up going into a cigar smuggling scheme with Simon Cowell), out of character nonsense (Elaine becomes a circus performer and has a torrid affair with Newman in a series 26 story arc), and stupid meanness (George runs over a homeless man by accident, dumps the body in the Hudson River and it never gets mentioned again).
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on June 23, 2021, 05:08:24 PM
Quote from: buttgammon on June 23, 2021, 04:24:20 PM
A sobering thought - imagine if they were still making Seinfeld, but with increasingly desperate celebrity cameos (Kramer auditions for American Idol and bombs, but ends up going into a cigar smuggling scheme with Simon Cowell), out of character nonsense (Elaine becomes a circus performer and has a torrid affair with Newman in a series 26 story arc), and stupid meanness (George runs over a homeless man by accident, dumps the body in the Hudson River and it never gets mentioned again).

Elaine rapes Jerry in a steroid fuelled passion.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: buttgammon on June 23, 2021, 06:19:15 PM
A pointless cameo from Katy Perry, who is inexplicably wearing a latex dress with Jerry, George, Elaine and Kramer's faces printed on it.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on June 23, 2021, 06:37:04 PM
You don't wanna know what Newman does at the end
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: purlieu on June 23, 2021, 09:47:59 PM
I always had it in my head that 10 was the end of classic Simpsons, but when it came to watching it I found is very, very hard going. Totally disjointed plots that make no sense, barely any warmth, weird out of character jokes. Uncomfortable viewing and I had to stop.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on June 23, 2021, 10:07:00 PM
that's what I feel about 10 onwards. I genuinely find it unpleasant to watch because Homer in particular is such a horrible person. there's a few good jokes here and there but I don't think any episodes are "classic". I think then you have the slump from Family Guy years into the general mud this thread is about
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on June 23, 2021, 10:08:09 PM
Yeah but it has Mr Pinchy.

(https://i.imgur.com/S5gnvXJ.gif)
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: purlieu on June 23, 2021, 10:09:03 PM
What I will say about 10 is it does feel like they're experimenting and trying to push the show, it's just being pushed into a largely unpleasant thing.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on June 23, 2021, 10:34:08 PM
I mean although it's got some funny bits I can't say I enjoy the joke it's contrived towards that Homer's going to eat his new pet. it's clearly pushed towards a new sort of humour that you wouldn't have in earlier seasons.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on June 23, 2021, 10:41:28 PM
Per the e-book/blog post "Zombie Simpsons", around seasons 8-10 the writers and showrunners genuinely thought the show wasn't going to be on the air much longer, and that's why they went with more outlandish episodes like The Principal and the Pauper, and metacommentary episodes like Itchy and Scratchy and Poochie. Who could've known the show would be renewed and "live" for another 22 seasons. Boy, I bet their faces are red.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 23, 2021, 10:46:41 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on June 23, 2021, 05:08:24 PM
Elaine rapes Jerry in a steroid fuelled passion.

George and Jerry drug a woman to gain access to her vintage toys happened.

Other stuff that was an indication of where it was heading:

Elaine stealing and eating antique wedding cake while dancing around the office.
George and the Frogger machine.
Gross gag of Newman laughing with his mouth open while eating junk food occurs in at least two episodes.
Puerto Rican Day.

Seinfeld never became anything less than great but there were plenty of clues of what he equivalent of Simpson seasons 15-20 would've been like. One of the things is they carried on with the thing of mentioning brand names and making brand names a part of the plot, which was a hallmark of excellent early episodes but once that became stale it was over. The later episode where George has a weird mantra about Twix bars that he repeats to everyone they meet in a car dealership is close to Zombie Seinfeld, even though its a decent episode. 

Also Seinfeld would still be dating hot 25 year old hipsters as the show rolled into season 35.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on June 23, 2021, 10:59:20 PM
Quote from: idunnosomename on June 23, 2021, 10:34:08 PM
I mean although it's got some funny bits I can't say I enjoy the joke it's contrived towards that Homer's going to eat his new pet. it's clearly pushed towards a new sort of humour that you wouldn't have in earlier seasons.

Pinchy would have wanted it that way.

Just like many shows, it tried a new direction. Even if the direction wasn't ideal, I think enough of the writers were still there to keep the quality to an above average level. The production run that starts a few episodes into Season 11 is such a clear drop from the previous one that I can only assume that is where things really changed in the writer's room.

Season 11-12 hover in and around average to slightly below average. From them on it is a nearly constant droning of bad with barely the odd highlight grimly fazing through. The television equivalent of the sixth stage of Everywhere at the End of Time.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 23, 2021, 11:14:54 PM
I think keeping the Simpson family the center of the show was the fatal error, they should've used the 22 Short Films episode as a template and gradually rebranded to Springfield Stories or whatever was suggested. 22 Short Films and the 138th Episode Spectacular near the same tone and humour as Zombie Simpsons but they're brilliant. A slightly meaner tone and crueller humour would've been ok so long as it wasn't beloved characters being mean to family members for no reason.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on June 23, 2021, 11:38:11 PM
Quote from: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 23, 2021, 10:46:41 PM
Seinfeld never became anything less than great but there were plenty of clues of what he equivalent of Simpson seasons 15-20 would've been like. One of the things is they carried on with the thing of mentioning brand names and making brand names a part of the plot, which was a hallmark of excellent early episodes but once that became stale it was over. The later episode where George has a weird mantra about Twix bars that he repeats to everyone they meet in a car dealership is close to Zombie Seinfeld, even though its a decent episode. 

Also Seinfeld would still be dating hot 25 year old hipsters as the show rolled into season 35.

I've seen some people say that the Season 7 finale was too far. I loved it myself. And for me the more slapstick Season 8 was my favourite (although there is very little between 4-8).

I do think if Zombie Seinfeld happened, then people would probably draw the line at the end of Season 7 or the end of Season 8. Much like the debate over whether the line with The Simpsons is Season 8 or 9.

It is interesting that I think the longevity of The Simpsons changes the perception of the early seasons and perhaps leaves them not getting the credit they deserve. Framed as the behemoth of The Simpsons, the first nine seasons are just the "good" or "classic" seasons of the show. Framed as a sitcom, the first nine seasons are up there with the very best. But I don't think The Simpsons comes to mind as a sitcom like any other. If I'm being kind I could say it is a victim of its own success in that it has transcended its genre.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 23, 2021, 11:44:57 PM
I love the Envelopes. The scene where George is told his fiancé is dead and is trying not to smile one of the most incredible things ever put in a comedy show. The conceit is clearly too far but the execution is unreal, the pay off is worth it.

I think the biggest issue was keeping it obvious that the cast were all horrible people. I actually like the finale for this reason: Larry David comes back to pound it home that these people are arseholes through and through. I'd probably skip if most of the time if I was doing a rewatch but I think its mostly well done.

The last season has wacky stuff like The Frogger and The Butter Shave that are still good episodes but show where it was heading. Then there's The Maid. It's interesting to think if people drew the line at series 7, would that mean that later stuff like Festivus and "the pig says my wife is a slut" wouldn't be remembered as well?
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on June 23, 2021, 11:47:29 PM
Quote from: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 23, 2021, 11:14:54 PM
I think keeping the Simpson family the center of the show was the fatal error, they should've used the 22 Short Films episode as a template and gradually rebranded to Springfield Stories or whatever was suggested.
Nah man the fatal error was keeping it on the air. I'm sure I've said it earlier in the thread but with live action sitcoms there's a natural end-point. The child actors age out, the break-out star/main one wants to do movies, the actors generally get fed up and want to move on with their careers. With animation, all the actors have to do is read lines. The original creator(s) might get fed up of the show, but there's nothing to stop them signing over some or all of the rights to a production company and continuing to get royalties. The Simpsons will keep going "until such time as the show becomes unprofitable".
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 23, 2021, 11:53:17 PM
The sketch show format worked so amazingly well, though. The writers really seem revitalised and the characters are lively again. I'd gladly trade season 9 or 10 for a six episode series of sketch shows to see if it could work. Probably not as you say, but I'd have loved it if they tried.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on June 23, 2021, 11:57:27 PM
Quote from: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 23, 2021, 11:44:57 PMI think the biggest issue was keeping it obvious that the cast were all horrible people. I actually like the finale for this reason: Larry David comes back to pound it home that these people are arseholes through and through.

I thought I was the only one who liked the finale. Though at least we got a tremendous season of Curb out of the bad reputation of it.

Quote from: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 23, 2021, 11:44:57 PMThe last season has wacky stuff like The Frogger and The Butter Shave that are still good episodes but show where it was heading. Then there's The Maid. It's interesting to think if people drew the line at series 7, would that mean that later stuff like Festivus and "the pig says my wife is a slut" wouldn't be remembered as well?

There are still well regarded moments in Season 9-10 of The Simpsons. The leader song and Max Power come to mind as regularly repeated stuff. Even in the shit clip show in Season 9 you've got the Paint Your Wagon song.

Just look at Only Fools. It is generally considered by most that the last trilogy was awful yet the general public still consider "Gary" to be a classic moment. I once had a job in a call centre for a short time and while training we were taught by a guy called Gary and loads of people started doing the "Gary" quote. I was shocked at just how pervasive that was.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 24, 2021, 12:06:54 AM
Max Power is truly horrible. but I'm a big fan of the Paint Your Wagon parody. I'd put Trash of the Titans up as a candidate for a late good one, but it pales to City of New York v Homer Simpson which is my personal Simpsons last season finale.

I've still never seen the Gary! episode of Only Fools. I was genuinely pissed off by the Christmas trilogy before I'd completely sworn off it. Aside from Triggers broom it was three episodes of piss-off after piss-off. I remember my friends at school were all anticipating it and straight after the christmas holidays we all got together and tore it apart.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on June 24, 2021, 12:12:25 AM
Quote from: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 24, 2021, 12:06:54 AM

I've still never seen the Gary! episode of Only Fools. I was genuinely pissed off by the Christmas trilogy before I'd completely sworn off it.

You're in luck. The classic Gary clip is on YouTube. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSNBK2w_UGo)
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 24, 2021, 12:16:54 AM
What the bloody hell haha
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 24, 2021, 12:17:31 AM
I was imagining someone called Gary doing something funny and Del Boy shouting Gary! or summat

Fuck me thats a long way to drop from broken lawnmower engines.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on June 24, 2021, 12:21:56 AM
Quote from: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 24, 2021, 12:17:31 AM
I was imagining someone called Gary doing something funny and Del Boy showing Gary! or summat

Fuck me thats a long way to drop from broken lawnmower engines.

They accidentally kidnap him from France when bringing over some booze in Denzil's truck. Later on in the episode, Boycie comes over to stay as Marlene has kicked him out for smelling of onions and he accidentally threatens Gary with a knife while making a sandwich.

Earlier in the episode it was revealed that Uncle Albert had fucked every bird in this French town and now everybody from there has an Uncle Albert beard.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 24, 2021, 12:23:34 AM
Quote from: JamesTC on June 24, 2021, 12:21:56 AM
Earlier in the episode it was revealed that Uncle Albert had fucked every bird in this French town and now everybody from there has an Uncle Albert beard.

I've on and off lurked on this forum for over 10 years, probably 15 at least and been convinced the whole time that this was a CaB in joke.

Hat fucked.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on June 24, 2021, 12:33:09 AM
is this the only fools shitposting thread good sirs
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 24, 2021, 12:36:50 AM
Turns out Del Boy himself beat us to it 20 years ago and nobody told me.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: madhair60 on June 24, 2021, 12:47:36 AM
Quote from: JamesTC on June 24, 2021, 12:21:56 AM
They accidentally kidnap him from France when bringing over some booze in Denzil's truck

which is the plot of the episode.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: purlieu on June 24, 2021, 01:05:52 AM
Hate to drag this thread further into a OFAH Final Trilogy hole, but I still think the famous 'Gary' line is a great joke, because it works so well in the episode's context, showing up Del and Rodney's increasingly ridiculous lie. The desperation in his voice as he says the word is great. But, as with most famous OFAH gags, it doesn't live well outside the episode itself. Stewart Lee's takedown of the bar gag is spot on, not because it's unfunny, but because there's no sitcom joke in history that actually stands up on its own, out of the episode's context, as a repeatable gag.

Although if there was one, it would absolutely be a classic-era Simpsons joke.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 24, 2021, 01:32:38 AM
The irony of the Stewart Lee bit is that 10 years later its now a comedy bit whose context is now long gone.

I don't think in the age of memes those "classic comedy moments" things are such monocultural unifiers. You can just watch stuff whenever,  I can't imagine seeing montages of "classic moments" with we're on to a winner here Trig, a pint that's nearly an armful, don't tell him pike, is mr kodobo a coloured gentleman? its joined the choir invisible, etc just cycled through with only the slimmest context. Just the line and audience reaction. You can go online or one of 1000 digital channels and see the whole thing.

With all the stuff about the Friends reunion, its not classic moments people care about its more about the vibe or aesthetic of the show. Or maybe Friends is just awful.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on June 24, 2021, 10:34:34 AM
I think we're on to a winner here Bart! Play it nice and cool: if you know what I mean...

D'oh!
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Leej88 on June 24, 2021, 11:49:10 AM
The Max Power episode is funny until they tie them up to the trees then it goes bad.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on June 24, 2021, 11:52:59 AM
I don't think discussing the OFAH final trilogy is off topic for this thread. It is fascinating comparing how other long loved sitcoms fared in their later years.

Frasier went off the boil in later seasons but actually had a strong Season 11 to end it. Will be interesting to see how the new follow-up fares in comparison to New Simpsons or OFAH.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Leej88 on June 24, 2021, 11:53:32 AM
I like to think one of the kids nicked the bus when Krusty was left there lol.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: purlieu on June 24, 2021, 12:00:17 PM
I don't think I've even seen the Max Power episode, just read a synopsis and none of it rings a bell at all.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on June 24, 2021, 12:16:48 PM
I always thought it was considered a classic. I know "that's the end of that chapter" is one of my most quoted Simpsons lines.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: frajer on June 24, 2021, 12:40:49 PM
Not sure it's an all-timer but it does make me laugh a lot. Really like the absurdity of the town giving Homer a huge amount of respect because a character on the telly happens to share his name (and then really mocking him when the character turns shit).
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: madhair60 on June 24, 2021, 02:46:04 PM
There's some very funny dumb humour in Max Power, which still crops up on occasion all the way up to season 20 (which is as far as I've watched), but in increasingly lesser quantities.

"This isn't bad."

"Isn't bad? Tell me one thing mankind's ever done that's any better."

"The Renaissance."

"This is better."
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: petril on June 24, 2021, 03:54:47 PM
Quote from: frajer on June 24, 2021, 12:40:49 PM
Not sure it's an all-timer but it does make me laugh a lot. Really like the absurdity of the town giving Homer a huge amount of respect because a character on the telly happens to share his name (and then really mocking him when the character turns shit).

I do love it as an exaggeration of that happening at like work or school. within a week there's a few dozen ripping the piss at you having a similar name
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: frajer on June 24, 2021, 04:09:52 PM
Quote from: petrilTanaka on June 24, 2021, 03:54:47 PM
I do love it as an exaggeration of that happening at like work or school. within a week there's a few dozen ripping the piss at you having a similar name

Yeah it's the disproportionate acclaim Homer suddenly wins that I find really enjoyable. I suppose the easier joke would be for Homer to be proud of it but no one else give a shit, but the fact everyone at Moe's and the plant are actually impressed and respect him for it is wonderfully silly.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Leej88 on June 24, 2021, 04:58:58 PM
Ot oh Spaghetti oh.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 24, 2021, 06:10:21 PM
I've got a theory: what do Max Power defenders think of Homer's Enemy?

I like the Frank Grimes episode but hate Max Power.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on June 24, 2021, 06:14:52 PM
Both are great. Homer's Enemy is by far the better episode but there is room enough to consider both classics in my book.

I can see why the second half of Homer to the Max might put people off. It is funny but a little aimless.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Ornlu on June 24, 2021, 07:29:33 PM
*Homer walks into a cactus*
"we should really put that in the corner"
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Leej88 on June 24, 2021, 08:13:45 PM
Hey Bart kill that cat
Ok
And they big yellow flower
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on June 24, 2021, 08:57:49 PM
I think the Max Power episode is a "classic" in that the viewing figures when it aired were so high most Simpsons fans have seen it. I have.

It was also referenced in the "push it to the limit" extended couch gag from season 27 animated by Steve Cutts. Can't imagine anything from 12 onwards getting a nod like that

to whit:

(https://i.imgur.com/xxsod2G.jpg)
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on June 24, 2021, 09:09:43 PM
Oddly looking at the reviews on Wikipedia, it didn't do all that well there. The later episodes are given a much lower bar as they regularly get great reviews.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JaDanketies on June 24, 2021, 10:36:47 PM
I remember a lot of lines from Max Power but not the storyline (without reading a synopsis). I mean I know Homer changes his name and gets respect but not much more. I remember the great lines at the end where Homer suggests changing Marge's name to 'Chesty Larue' and 'Hooty McBoob'.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Leej88 on June 24, 2021, 10:37:46 PM
His name is my name.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Old Nehamkin on June 24, 2021, 11:14:02 PM
I say "and that's the end of that chapter" all the time (in my brain).
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: mippy on June 25, 2021, 10:49:50 AM
Quote from: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 23, 2021, 10:46:41 PM
George and Jerry drug a woman to gain access to her vintage toys happened.

Other stuff that was an indication of where it was heading:

Elaine stealing and eating antique wedding cake while dancing around the office.
George and the Frogger machine.
Gross gag of Newman laughing with his mouth open while eating junk food occurs in at least two episodes.
Puerto Rican Day.

Seinfeld never became anything less than great but there were plenty of clues of what he equivalent of Simpson seasons 15-20 would've been like. One of the things is they carried on with the thing of mentioning brand names and making brand names a part of the plot, which was a hallmark of excellent early episodes but once that became stale it was over. The later episode where George has a weird mantra about Twix bars that he repeats to everyone they meet in a car dealership is close to Zombie Seinfeld, even though its a decent episode. 

Also Seinfeld would still be dating hot 25 year old hipsters as the show rolled into season 35.

Puerto Rican Day was actually the first episode of Seinfeld I ever saw, so I find it hard to see as as bad as everyone else does
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Thursday on June 25, 2021, 03:18:56 PM
Max Power episode is an people mistake for an earlier episode because it came out on a VHS way before it would have aired on the BBC, but when you dig into it a bit more, it's got a lot of the hallmarks of a shitty episode, even though it has above average jokes for the era.

That sums up season 10 for me, it's really descending fully into "Zombie Simpsons" by this point but it's still capable of coming up with some good lines and bits that feel like they belong in the classic era.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on June 25, 2021, 03:23:29 PM
God those awful themed tapes. I used to fit like 12 taped off the telly on a vhs cassette
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on June 25, 2021, 03:30:42 PM
88
MINUTES

INCLUDES
FOUR CLASSIC
EPISODES
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Leej88 on June 25, 2021, 03:45:36 PM
I had some of those themed videos as a kid is how I saw the Max Power episode, Trash of the Titans, and Treehouse of Horror XI way before it ended up on BBC2
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: buttgammon on June 25, 2021, 03:47:39 PM
I had the Max Power video too, so the episode is ultra familiar. Although I find it very quotable, I put it down more to the exposure than the quality; I last saw it about a year ago and thought it was okay, but by no means one of the best.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 25, 2021, 05:03:04 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on June 25, 2021, 03:30:42 PM
88
MINUTES

INCLUDES
FOUR CLASSIC
EPISODES

That's twice as many as I had.
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/BtcAAOSwiYJfBvgR/s-l400.jpg)
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: kalowski on June 25, 2021, 05:19:26 PM
Quote from: Thursday on June 25, 2021, 03:18:56 PM
Max Power episode is an people mistake for an earlier episode because it came out on a VHS way before it would have aired on the BBC, but when you dig into it a bit more, it's got a lot of the hallmarks of a shitty episode, even though it has above average jokes for the era.

That sums up season 10 for me, it's really descending fully into "Zombie Simpsons" by this point but it's still capable of coming up with some good lines and bits that feel like they belong in the classic era.
Yeah. I remember it starting well, I liked the whole "he has the same name as me" stuff and the very accurate terrible sit com version "Simpson!" "Oh-oh, spaghetti-o" but it went nowhere fast.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on June 25, 2021, 05:24:32 PM
Ha, those came out from 1991. Interestingly, only in the UK. Presumably because the Simpsons was confined to satellite TV here unlike in the US where it was much more accessible.

Rip off Britain. Lovely box design though
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Mobbd on June 25, 2021, 06:42:52 PM
Quote from: purlieu on June 23, 2021, 09:47:59 PM
I always had it in my head that 10 was the end of classic Simpsons, but when it came to watching it I found is very, very hard going. Totally disjointed plots that make no sense, barely any warmth, weird out of character jokes. Uncomfortable viewing and I had to stop.

Isn't there a general idea that the Last Great Episode was Homer's Phobia? I never really loved that one, though the United Steelworkers of America are pretty great. I like John Waters quite a bit but he feels a little unwelcome here imo - a slightly pointless celebrity appearance, one-shot character thing. And I don't like thinking that Homer had that actual "phobia" because it's gross (or is it commendably honest since Homer is a blue collar guy in 1997?). And this was SEASON 8. Dead or dying by Season 8 and now we're on Season 32. So weird.

Quote from: JamesTC on June 23, 2021, 05:08:24 PM
Elaine rapes Jerry in a steroid fuelled passion.

Heh. I remember that one.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Mobbd on June 25, 2021, 06:45:56 PM
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on June 25, 2021, 05:03:04 PM
That's twice as many as I had.
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/BtcAAOSwiYJfBvgR/s-l400.jpg)

I have deep nostalgia for those white tapes. When The Simpsons began, it was slightly tricky to watch in the UK because it was only on SKY, which barely anyone in my world seemed to have. We watched the Moanin' Lisa tape at a 7th birthday party (I was 28 years old at the time - oh wait I was 7 too) and it was extremely exciting.

I like those 4-episode theme tapes to an extent too though some of the later themes (and content) were quite bad. The first one to come out, I'm pretty sure, was the Springfield Files and there was a good sense of buzz around it.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 25, 2021, 07:02:04 PM
Homer's Phobia is a weird one. It's well written and surprisingly not condescending as its almost a Very Special Episode, and has one of the biggest gets for a guest voice. But it's not really that funny. It's very 1990s in that its idea of knocking down stereotypes is doing them ironically.

City of New York and Trash of the Titans are both far funnier.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on June 25, 2021, 07:03:59 PM
There were four with that precise cover design

(https://www.picclickimg.com/d/l400/pict/173414153522_/THE-SIMPSONS-COLLECTION-7-x-DOUBLE-FEATURE-VHS.jpg)

They continued till 95.

https://simpsonswiki.com/wiki/The_Simpsons_Collection

Then in 1997 the releases became international and focused more on a "best of" and then ultimately a themed angle.

The only VHS released in America before that was the Christmas special, presumably for that specific market of Grinch/Rudolf etc.

(https://pic.ebid.net/upload_original/0/6/7/uo_1611335281-20331-54.jpg)

I think this is interesting for reception and the prominence of particular episodes (even if you didn't buy the tapes, you could see them from rental shops), as its how most people in the UK would have experienced the Simpsons before Nov 1996 when the BBC finally started showing it.

I think why that took so long was less about money and more about the BBC being far too genteel to be wasting its money on American rubbish: the Simpsons seemed very counter-culture and dangerous back then, like South Park would be ten years later. On the other hand, it was a huge part of the marketing for the Sky in the early 90s. Considering the premier league was basically set up so it could be confined to Sky, it was very exclusive and I never knew many people who had it until the later part of the decade.

Now isn't THIS so wonderfully late-90s.

(http://www.videocollector.co.uk/data/images/the-simpsons---too-hot-for-tv-13141l.jpg)
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 25, 2021, 07:08:28 PM
My Simpsons Mandela Effect: what there ever a VHS called something like "Too Hot For TV!" (not the later comp of sex based episodes) that was a 90 minute clipshow of edgy or shocking moments with some new material wrapped around?

I never saw it myself but I remember an advert for from the late 1990s "as you've never seen them before!" that prominently featured the Jerry Springer clip in a way the suggested there would be more Jerry Springer content that just from the Treehouse of Horror skit?

edit: I'm probably thinking of this (https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/simpsons/images/9/92/Too_hot_for_tv.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/250?cb=20130102152305) being marketed as having "never seen" material because one of those episodes wasn't shown on UK tv.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on June 25, 2021, 07:09:52 PM
ha I just edited it in. here it is with the sticker proudly declaring how exclusive one episode was

(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/zvYAAOSwa2Ze4PTl/s-l1600.jpg)

It wasnt a clip show. It was just playing off the uber popularity of Jerry Springer by putting on the Treehouse of Horror where it was spoofed (like in Austin Powers 2) and putting an as yet unaired episode to qualify the title. Shameless really
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Jerzy Bondov on June 25, 2021, 07:31:17 PM
The videos with Treehouse of Horror/Simpson and Delilah and 3 Men and a Comic Book/Blood Feud were my go-to-rentals. There's me as a kid, with only four episodes of The Simpsons, all great. And then there's kids today, with hundreds of episodes, mostly shit. And we drank out the hose.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Leej88 on June 25, 2021, 08:09:00 PM
I had that video as a kid.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JaDanketies on June 25, 2021, 08:43:31 PM
That VHS was the first time I watched The Cartridge Family episode where Homer gets a gun iirc. Season 9 and a good episode imo if not a bit American
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 25, 2021, 08:44:15 PM
Quote from: idunnosomename on June 25, 2021, 07:03:59 PM
There were four with that precise cover design

(https://www.picclickimg.com/d/l400/pict/173414153522_/THE-SIMPSONS-COLLECTION-7-x-DOUBLE-FEATURE-VHS.jpg)


Yeah I think I swapped my one for the Bart the General one (if that also had the Blinky episode on it).

Not having Sky, these were pretty much my only exposure to The Simpsons up until it started airing on BBC2.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Leej88 on June 25, 2021, 08:53:02 PM
Crazy it was not shown on UK TV for 7 years.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on June 25, 2021, 09:13:45 PM
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on June 25, 2021, 08:44:15 PM
Yeah I think I swapped my one for the Bart the General one (if that also had the Blinky episode on it).

Not having Sky, these were pretty much my only exposure to The Simpsons up until it started airing on BBC2.

well this one had the Blinky episode on it

(https://static.simpsonswiki.com/images/thumb/e/e8/Simpsons_Collection_VHS_-_Two_Cars_in_Every_Garage.jpg/250px-Simpsons_Collection_VHS_-_Two_Cars_in_Every_Garage.jpg)

General had No Disgrace Like Home as the B-side.

Interesting as well if you rented these early 90s they probably came from independent retailers, before Blockbuster came in and forced them all out of the market.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 25, 2021, 09:22:12 PM
I saw Principal Charming and When Flanders Failed on satellite TV at a friend's house in Ireland in 1991 or 1992. I thought they were funny, but nothing about them suggested it would be the start of a lifelong obsession other than being a bit surprised at quite how many jokes and gags were there. Simpsons was already a certified fad by the time, a lot of my friends had shirts and toys and stuff, so as a kid I assumed it was going to be edgier or more gross and shocking than it was. The moral panic about Bart being rude and the family being degenerates did hit the UK, iirc but not very strongly. In school the reason for the Simpsons not being on TV was always given as Bart swearing constantly, but not on the videos. Apparently he said "bugger off" all the time.

I was already familiar with the arcade game and nintendo game by the time, and they had a wacky zany feel that the show didn't really have, I think because the designers were working more from Life In Hell and design documents than the Simpsons itself as broadcast. Saw a later episode quite bit later that really hooked me, can't remember which one.

If you're expecting premise -> set up -> punchline, there's not much to compare to watching the Simpsons for the first time and just how dense with funny it was.

Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on June 25, 2021, 09:32:00 PM
that Konami arcade cabinet is also a massive bit of Simpsons UK reception. I remember one at least. maybe two. I mean it was also really good which helped. I don't think I ever actually played it much though. didnt have enough friends to play it four player

(https://i.redd.it/ppps0sxv15e41.jpg)
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 25, 2021, 09:33:49 PM
I have a very vivid memory of waiting to get on a ferry and there was a Simpsons arcade machine right next to the boarding area, and the line for the arcade machine was longer than the people queuing to board.

Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: buttgammon on June 25, 2021, 09:39:37 PM
Quote from: idunnosomename on June 25, 2021, 09:32:00 PM
that Konami arcade cabinet is also a massive bit of Simpsons UK reception. I remember one at least. maybe two. I mean it was also really good which helped. I don't think I ever actually played it much though. didnt have enough friends to play it four player

(https://i.redd.it/ppps0sxv15e41.jpg)

There's an amusement arcade here which still has one of these, and my partner and I go there just to play it. The same place does a great bloody mary, so I get drunk in the process. We're really good at the game and once got so far that the English stag do lads queuing behind us got pretty annoyed and buggered off.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 25, 2021, 09:47:09 PM
Quote from: idunnosomename on June 25, 2021, 09:13:45 PM
Interesting as well if you rented these early 90s they probably came from independent retailers, before Blockbuster came in and forced them all out of the market.

Nah, just swapped over with a friend.

We had a Ritz/Blockbuster but also used a hire service in the local Londis that had a blue and red emblem on the card.

One of my other friends used to buy all the ex-rental tapes, which I think generally got sold off because they were taking up shelf space rather than being worn out. There was a lot of dross in his collection... put it this way, one of the best ones was Suburban Commando.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: purlieu on June 25, 2021, 10:11:23 PM
Quote from: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 25, 2021, 07:08:28 PM
My Simpsons Mandela Effect
Mine is that it was billed as something like The Adventures of The Simpsons when it was first on the BBC. I remember thinking it was weird that the title on the TV and the one in the listings magazine didn't match up. Never found any corroborating evidence though.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Bernice on June 25, 2021, 10:20:05 PM
Quote from: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 25, 2021, 07:08:28 PM
My Simpsons Mandela Effect: what there ever a VHS called something like "Too Hot For TV!" (not the later comp of sex based episodes) that was a 90 minute clipshow of edgy or shocking moments with some new material wrapped around?

I never saw it myself but I remember an advert for from the late 1990s "as you've never seen them before!" that prominently featured the Jerry Springer clip in a way the suggested there would be more Jerry Springer content that just from the Treehouse of Horror skit?

edit: I'm probably thinking of this (https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/simpsons/images/9/92/Too_hot_for_tv.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/250?cb=20130102152305) being marketed as having "never seen" material because one of those episodes wasn't shown on UK tv.

I think the advert you're thinking of might have been a trailer at the start of one of the other compilation VHS's. It certainly rings a bell with me too.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Bernice on June 25, 2021, 10:27:23 PM
I had a lot of those videos, and probably know the episodes on them better than any others as a consequence. I remember buying the first three seasons on DVD with my paper round money and then realising the bastards were releasing seasons at a rate of about one a year.

Great purchases though – the last time I ever got to discover classic episodes that I'd somehow never caught on TV. For whatever reason, I stopped at season 9, which has therefore always marked the end of the 'golden age' for me.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on June 25, 2021, 10:38:57 PM
Quote from: idunnosomename on June 25, 2021, 09:32:00 PM
that Konami arcade cabinet is also a massive bit of Simpsons UK reception. I remember one at least. maybe two. I mean it was also really good which helped. I don't think I ever actually played it much though. didnt have enough friends to play it four player

(https://i.redd.it/ppps0sxv15e41.jpg)
blue-shirted Bart
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on June 25, 2021, 10:43:30 PM
note also in the terribly shitty "too hot for TV" cover.

I also remember the Mattel action figures getting into independent comic book shops early 90s.

(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/3e/3c/6a/3e3c6ab2369eca120a69ed1f5122248b.jpg)

https://simpsonswiki.com/wiki/The_Simpsons_Mattel_action-figures
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Leej88 on June 25, 2021, 11:19:37 PM
I had those figures used to sell them at Kwik Save.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 25, 2021, 11:45:56 PM
Quote from: purlieu on June 25, 2021, 10:11:23 PM
Mine is that it was billed as something like The Adventures of The Simpsons when it was first on the BBC. I remember thinking it was weird that the title on the TV and the one in the listings magazine didn't match up. Never found any corroborating evidence though.

This sounds familiar. I'm thinking that because one of the given reasons for the Simpsons never being on terrestial UK television was that the audience wouldn't get their heads around a cartoon that was also a sitcom, one of the early trailers featured a montage of more out-there moments of the first two seasons like Homer in the wilderness, the family as devils, Homer flying over the canyon, etc. I remember it being pushed hard on BBC 1 tea time for a few weeks then slipping away. How badly do you have to muck up not make the Simpsons a prime time hit?

edit: seems No Disgrace Like Home was the first UK episode broadcast, I'm probably correct to remember seeing the shot of the family as demons in Homer's car with the BBC logo over it.

Quote from: Leej88 on June 25, 2021, 11:19:37 PM
I had those figures used to sell them at Kwik Save.

Yes. There were HEAPS of them in our local KwikSave, all stacked next to the cereal boxes and a good way along the freezer cabinets.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on June 25, 2021, 11:56:11 PM
i posted this in some simpsons thread here recently, BBC simpsons trailers you will probably remember.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Yq0upilSXY

at first they tried to push it with a 5:30 premiere on BBC1 with the repeat after noon on BBC2 Sunday, before it settled into the Mon/Fri 6pm slot on BBC2
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: wrec on June 26, 2021, 01:38:33 AM
I bought that Too Hot for TV video specifically to get to see The Cartridge Family, and the Bart Wars one for Mayored to the Mob. Can't remember how much they cost (think HMV might have had some kind of 3 for the price of 2 deal or something?) but it seemed like an absolute no-brainer to get em.

I'd only seen a couple of episodes in other people's houses when at one point c.'95 I had access to a video player and a single Simpsons episode (The Springfield Connection) for about a week - must have watched it 10 times.

I only got access to Sky One in '96, taped episodes til I had just about everything and absolutely mainlined them for a few years. Surprised to note that there are episodes as early as season 11 that I've never seen and can barely remember the ones from then I did see, though I was all over the early season DVD sets.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Lisa Jesusandmarychain on June 26, 2021, 08:37:31 AM
Quote from: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 25, 2021, 11:45:56 PM
I'm thinking that because one of the given reasons for the Simpsons never being on terrestial UK television was that the audience wouldn't get their heads around a cartoon that was also a sitcom,

They managed alright with " The Flintstones" ( although that was sold more as a children's programme).
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: St_Eddie on June 26, 2021, 08:50:15 AM
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on June 25, 2021, 05:03:04 PM
That's twice as many as I had.
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/BtcAAOSwiYJfBvgR/s-l400.jpg)

Call of the Simpsons

SPECIAL FEATURES: Bart the Genius
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: St_Eddie on June 26, 2021, 09:06:00 AM
Quote from: idunnosomename on June 25, 2021, 10:43:30 PM
note also in the terribly shitty "too hot for TV" cover.

I also remember the Mattel action figures getting into independent comic book shops early 90s.

(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/3e/3c/6a/3e3c6ab2369eca120a69ed1f5122248b.jpg)

https://simpsonswiki.com/wiki/The_Simpsons_Mattel_action-figures

Ah, yes.  Those famous catchphrases which everyone fondly remembers.

Homer: "No problemo!"

Marge: "What's that smell?"

and the all time classic...

Lisa: "؂ ♬ ♪ ♭ ♮ ♫"
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Avril Lavigne on June 26, 2021, 09:23:16 AM
Quote from: St_Eddie on June 26, 2021, 09:06:00 AM
Ah, yes.  Those famous catchphrases which everyone fondly remembers.

Homer: "No problemo!"

Marge: "What's that smell?"

and the all time classic...

Lisa: "؂ ♬ ♪ ♭ ♮ ♫"

Ha ha! They did a similar thing on the attract screen of the arcade game as each character was introduced, featuring Lisa's other classic catchphrase "Embrace nothingness".
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Lisa Jesusandmarychain on June 26, 2021, 09:50:18 AM
What's Nelson's doll saying? It's not " Ha-Ha!"
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on June 26, 2021, 09:52:22 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/XyQ7W4t.jpg)
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: St_Eddie on June 26, 2021, 09:53:40 AM
Quote from: Avril Lavigne on June 26, 2021, 09:23:16 AM
They did a similar thing on the attract screen of the arcade game as each character was introduced, featuring Lisa's other classic catchphrase "Embrace nothingness".

Ha!  Brilliant.  On that note...

Quote from: Lisa Jesusandmarychain on June 26, 2021, 09:50:18 AM
What's Nelson's doll saying? It's not " Ha-Ha!"

"The existential being of man is the quandary of existence."
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Thursday on June 26, 2021, 09:55:58 AM
Quote from: idunnosomename on June 25, 2021, 07:03:59 PM
There were four with that precise cover design

(https://www.picclickimg.com/d/l400/pict/173414153522_/THE-SIMPSONS-COLLECTION-7-x-DOUBLE-FEATURE-VHS.jpg)

They continued till 95.

https://simpsonswiki.com/wiki/The_Simpsons_Collection



I have specific memories of my Dad driving to Blockbuster video and renting one of these out for the family to watch on weekends. That sounds so mundane when written out, but it's like a big childhood memory to me.

Friday Night, Simpsons, probably would have been having Chicken Curry and Chips for dinner at that age. (It was a bit of a drive to the Blockbusters, so he probably would have gone out there, and picked up the takeaway on the way back) Absolute bliss.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Jumblegraws on June 26, 2021, 10:54:40 AM
Quote from: idunnosomename on June 25, 2021, 07:09:52 PM
ha I just edited it in. here it is with the sticker proudly declaring how exclusive one episode was

(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/zvYAAOSwa2Ze4PTl/s-l1600.jpg)

It wasnt a clip show. It was just playing off the uber popularity of Jerry Springer by putting on the Treehouse of Horror where it was spoofed (like in Austin Powers 2) and putting an as yet unaired episode to qualify the title. Shameless really
Had that video and managed to convince my sister that the "HOT" in the title warmed up like one of those sodium acetate hand-warmers
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 26, 2021, 11:10:46 AM
The videos had loads of half-arsed trailers for things like NES simpsons games didn't they?
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Mobbd on June 26, 2021, 01:56:47 PM
Quote from: idunnosomename on June 25, 2021, 07:03:59 PM
I think this is interesting for reception and the prominence of particular episodes (even if you didn't buy the tapes, you could see them from rental shops), as its how most people in the UK would have experienced the Simpsons before Nov 1996 when the BBC finally started showing it.

I think why that took so long was less about money and more about the BBC being far too genteel to be wasting its money on American rubbish: the Simpsons seemed very counter-culture and dangerous back then, like South Park would be ten years later. On the other hand, it was a huge part of the marketing for the Sky in the early 90s. Considering the premier league was basically set up so it could be confined to Sky, it was very exclusive and I never knew many people who had it until the later part of the decade.

Great analysis. Also having the effect of making me feel very nostalgic indeed.

Glad to see that access to SKY was a legitimate problem for UK kids in the early '90s and not just in my little corner of the world.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Mobbd on June 26, 2021, 02:02:42 PM
Quote from: idunnosomename on June 25, 2021, 09:32:00 PM
that Konami arcade cabinet is also a massive bit of Simpsons UK reception. I remember one at least. maybe two. I mean it was also really good which helped. I don't think I ever actually played it much though. didnt have enough friends to play it four player

(https://i.redd.it/ppps0sxv15e41.jpg)

I loved that machine, but initially never got far with it due to plays being expensive and a parent usually being nearby with an impatiently tapping foot. THEN, a couple of years after its real popularity we went on a family holiday to Malta. There was a machine in the hotel which only cost about 2p per go. Completed the game. Glorious.

Quote from: buttgammon on June 25, 2021, 09:39:37 PM
There's an amusement arcade here which still has one of these, and my partner and I go there just to play it. The same place does a great bloody mary, so I get drunk in the process.

Can I come too?
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 26, 2021, 02:06:06 PM
Quote from: Mobbd on June 26, 2021, 01:56:47 PM
Glad to see that access to SKY was a legitimate problem for UK kids in the early '90s and not just in my little corner of the world.

The only people I recall having it then were either quite rich or had dad's who were really into sport or both.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Leej88 on June 26, 2021, 02:19:32 PM
My Grandparents had Sky but they got rid of it and then we had it in 95 but we moved and could not have it.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: buttgammon on June 26, 2021, 02:30:53 PM
My aunt had Sky, which meant I often got to see episodes ahead of my peers, but I wasn't at her house often enough to see all of them, so there were still some surprises when those VHS tapes came out, or later on when I would catch repeats of episodes I'd never seen in the first place.

Although it's not one of my favourites, I distinctly remember Sky repeating the Sherry Bobbins episode on an evening around Christmas when most of the family were over there. I'd never seen it before, but my older cousins who had round-the-clock access to Sky could already quote bits by heart.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Leej88 on June 26, 2021, 05:11:22 PM
Such simpler times in the 90's
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Leej88 on June 26, 2021, 05:14:52 PM
Why did the UK have to wait 7 years for it to come to the UK?
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Old Nehamkin on June 26, 2021, 05:29:50 PM
We were a Simpsons-mad family and ended up getting pretty much all of those themed videos plus a couple of the earlier "collection" series. Any episode that featured on one of those tapes is seared into my brain back to front and inside out by default.

I remember there was one Simpsons VHS release ("The Simpsons Greatest Hits", 1999) which featured 5 episodes rather than the customary 4, which had me scratching my head as a child as I had naively assumed that 4 Simpsons episodes was simply the hard limit for the capacity of a video tape (much like 3 episodes of Red Dwarf or, for some reason, 2 episodes of Mr. Bean). It was some time later when I contemplated the runtime of a vhs copy of Ben Hur that the penny started to drop that I was being cheated.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on June 26, 2021, 06:42:17 PM
Oh look i found what i was looking for in the end. Perfect page for CaB maybe though

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ED-JJ32W4AkJv_f.jpg)

It was slightly cheaper than longer tapes then (less tape inside the cassette of course), though not by much. Remember VHS tapes were quite expensive to make, they had to be recorded from the master tape which took as long as it would to watch it (I think).

When they started charging similar for DVDs, which are just stamped from a master in seconds, they were really raking it in. Amazing really how capitalism keeps conning us to spend loads of money on things that within a few decades become almost worthless.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: purlieu on June 26, 2021, 07:37:29 PM
To be fair to capitalism - and that's not a phrase I use very often - at the time I don't think many studios and DVD plants actually foresaw downloads and streaming.

I think I had three 180 minute VHS tapes full of off-air Simpsons recordings. I probably only watched them once, because shortly after I got the internet and that basically occupied all my spare time from then until about five years ago when I realised I hated it. I must still have them somewhere.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on June 26, 2021, 08:09:24 PM
I'm pretty sure I had all the four episode videos at one point. I remember eight of them producing nice pictures across the spines.

(https://d2h1pu99sxkfvn.cloudfront.net/b0/2127896/362556199_WlvhKPIqVw/P0.jpg)

My only experience of the two episode tapes was renting a copy of the Bart the General one when I was extremely young.

I also remember getting a figurine of Homer and Bart with a couple of them that I wish I'd kept.

(https://www.picclickimg.com/d/l400/pict/223150227119_/3-X-The-Simpsons-VHS-Rare-Special-Exclusive.jpg)

I did get this around 5 years ago from Home and Bargain, which is sitting on the shelf with the DVDs:
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/91hP4tni9-L._AC_SX522_.jpg)
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on June 26, 2021, 09:29:40 PM
Quote from: purlieu on June 26, 2021, 07:37:29 PM
To be fair to capitalism - and that's not a phrase I use very often - at the time I don't think many studios and DVD plants actually foresaw downloads and streaming.

I think I had three 180 minute VHS tapes full of off-air Simpsons recordings. I probably only watched them once, because shortly after I got the internet and that basically occupied all my spare time from then until about five years ago when I realised I hated it. I must still have them somewhere.
they did late 90s. VHS was a simpler time though, and they were making products people wanted, but were trying to make them somewhat profitable for the high production costs (inc marketing, art, distribution etc). clearly they couldn't sell whole seasons back then, so they just went with marketing one episode at a time essentially.

I kinda wish I had my compiled VHSes from BBC broadcasts, with my pen-written running order sellotaped on the back of the sleeve. Didn't always know the name of the episode, because you only knew it via the radio times since the Simpsons has that weird policy of only one episode having the title on-screen (you probably all know it's Bart Gets Hit By a Car) and I think sometimes it just wasn't there. Or I just forgot it
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on June 26, 2021, 10:01:16 PM
Season 23 - Episode 5 - The Food Wife

The credits crash right into the episode in a way they never have before. Really jarring. Homer takes Bart and Lisa to the video game convention E4. Here is most of the things that appear in the next few scenes:
Guts Of War:Entrails of Intestinox
Marching Band
Grand Theft Scratchy: Itchy City Stories
Earthland Realms 2: The Outing of the Elves (with two elven ladies linking arms as the logo)
Terrence Malick's Tree of Life Online
World of KrustCraft
Jalo
Shaun White: Time Snowboarding
Dig Dug Revelations
Driver's License 2: License to Drive
Assassin's Creed: Summer of Love
Human Centipede
Blocko: Cosmic Wars
Blocko: Agelica Button
Q-bert Origins
Medal of Duty
ZiiHop
Gamestation 3
Zii ZU
Protovision
Ybox 360
Nokami
Electric Crafts
Mapple
Chalmskinn Interactive (with a picture of Super Nintendo Chalmers on the logo, fucking hell)

Homer is inserting quarters into the disc slot of the Gamestation 3 and wondering how many it takes. This is a funny joke. Bart and Lisa tell Homer they need to get to another section which is filling up quickly so Homer sees everything as a videogame like in that bit of the film The Beach. Homer gets hurt but refills his health bar by eating pizza. Homer and the kids return home and they are very happy. Marge is sad that Homer is the fun one and she never gets to do the fun stuff which is the plot of the episode.

Homer suggests Marge take the kids to do something fun next Saturday. Marge takes the kids to X-Games but it turns out to be the Cross-Games and is a religious convention. Marge is sad she screwed up when the car breaks down in a new part of town called Little Ethiopia. Marge and the kids go for a meal in an Ethiopian restaurant. Marge tastes the food and her taste buds turn into mini Marges and start dancing when a disco ball drops down from the ceiling of her mouth. They all love the food. Comic Book Guy and Sideshow Mel arrive and are interested in the dish. Turns out they are foodies who try different types of foods. When they return home, Homer isn't interested in trying foods outside of the foods he knows.

(https://i.imgur.com/am4NoYw.jpg)

Marge, Bart and Lisa start a blog about different foods. Montage of then eating foods from around the world. Homer tries to win the kids back by giving them tickets to Krustyland but Marge reminds them that they are invited to a special restaurant called El Chemistri which uses scientifically developed foods or something. Homer does a cry and crawls up the stairs. Marge invites Homer to the restaurant with them. Homer and the kids are delighted but then Marge has a nightmare that Homer ruins it. Gordon Ramsey swears at Marge.

Marge tries to convince Homer not to go and then gives him the wrong address. Marge and the kids arrive at El Chemistri whilst Homer arrives at a meth lab asking "is this the chemical kitchen place where you do the crazy cooking". Marge and the kids all get test tubes of food. Homer is about to have some meth when Chief Wiggum bursts in. Marge has a message from Homer: "Marge, this isn't a food restaurant, this is a meth restaurant".

(https://i.imgur.com/5nlAzxL.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Ifogsiq.jpg)

Cletus and his kids are all dressed up to go to the meth lab when they see the police but Cletus tells his wife that her home cooking is better. Marge arrives when Homer is about to be killed by the big guy who runs the meth lab. Marge throws some apple pie from El Chemistri into the guys mouth and it makes him remember when he was a child and then he gets battoned on the head. Marge is now "fun mom" because they ate crazy scientific food and broke up a meth lab in the same day. The episode ends with the family at Krustyland. Marge and Homer kiss and their taste buds turn into little Marge and Homers and all kiss. Credits roll.

5/10 - Fucking hell. Just fucking hell. I cannot believe what I just watched. It wasn't so much the episode itself that was good, it was the fact that what was happening was actually happening. I couldn't believe my eyes. Seriously just go and watch this. Absolutely fucking mental. Probably the best episode of The Simpsons in 8 seasons and it is only good in a meta so bad it is good way.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on June 26, 2021, 10:13:30 PM
Twenty minutes after watching and I'm still proper belly laughing at this. Amazing.

A review of the episode from The AV Club says the "best thing about this episode is that it doesn't try to stuff any outlandish plot mechanics or out-of-character character moments down the viewers' throats". There goes the belly laughs again.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JaDanketies on June 26, 2021, 10:49:00 PM
Oh aye yeah the Breaking Bad parody episode. Yes that is a good shout, that is definitely one of the best of latter day Simpsons.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on June 26, 2021, 10:55:55 PM
Season 23 - Episode 6 - The Book Job

Hard crash into the episode again. Still jarring.

The family are seeing an animatronic dinosaur. The kids argue over toys in the gift shop leading to Bart throwing fossilised dinosaur poo which knocks the head off one of the people in the dinosaur costume. Lisa recognises the woman in the costume who runs away.

Lisa: Dad, follow that dinosaur
Homer: I've waited my whole life to hear that

Homer and Lisa chase after the dinosaur. Homer gets tired and falls asleep in a T-Rex head. Lisa catches up and reveals that the women in the costume is one her favourite authors, T R Francis. She tells Lisa that T R Francis isn't real. She is just an actress they use for the photo at the back of the book and that the whole backstory about the author is pure fiction to sell books. The books are all developed by market research and churned out by a room full of pill-popping lit-majors desperate for work. Lisa is sad.

Lisa wants to burn all her books. Marge ponders why it should matter so long as she enjoyed the books when she read them. Lisa complains about the situation to Homer but this just gives Homer the idea of writing some books with a group of idiots which is the plot of the episode.

The rest of the episode is a parody of Oceans Eleven. Homer is assembling a team to write the book. First Homer asks Bart to join. The pair then go to Skinner who knows how kids think. Next they go to Patty who has read loads of fiction. They try to get Lenny but he has just adopted a monkey so he can't do it but Moe informs them that he has published five successful children's books. Finally they go to Frink because he has a computer.

Bart is worried that they are missing something. Lisa overhears them talking and she is shocked that they are planning on writing for money, so she vows to write a book herself. Lisa keeps procrastinating. The book crew come up with a vampire idea but realise it has already been done loads. Some kids are scared of Moe and call him a troll so they decide to write a book about trolls. Neil Gaiman arrives but Moe grabs him and threatens to slit his throat. Neil offers his help in writing the book. Lisa is still procrastinating. In a montage we see the crew steaming ahead with the writing whilst Lisa is still procrastinating with nothing written.

The crew finish the book and take it to a book fair where they are told by a publisher that they need a fake author to sell the book. Bart says they should just find somebody at the book fair to be the fake author. Homer wants Lisa to do it so she says yes because she is desperate having not done any writing herself. The book is sold for a million dollars. Lisa is sad again.

The book arrives and the publishers have changed the trolls to vampires because trolls tested badly. The crew are sad that their artistic vision was sullied so they decide to steal the new version of the book and replace it with the old version before it is published. Following a montage of them getting in the publisher's building, they get caught. The publisher reveals they were tipped off and Lisa reveals it was her who did it. Lisa reveals she still desperately wants her name on a book and they have allowed her to write the sequel.

The gang walk home sad but then they see that the old version of the book is in the shops. Lisa reveals she needed to make the publisher think she was on his side to get his password in order to switch the books. They then go and happily look at a copy of the book but then see that the listed author at the back of the book is Neil Gaiman. Turns out he switched the book as well and that he doesn't even know how to read. Credits roll. In the credits Moe joins Neil Gaiman on the beach to reveal he was helping him but then drinks poison.

4/10 - It was basically fine. Enough humour lands to carry it through.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: chveik on June 26, 2021, 11:00:37 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on June 26, 2021, 10:55:55 PM
The books new simpsons episodes are all developed by market research and churned out by a room full of pill-popping lit-majors desperate for work.

Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: mippy on June 26, 2021, 11:36:40 PM
Quote from: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 25, 2021, 09:22:12 PM
I saw Principal Charming and When Flanders Failed on satellite TV at a friend's house in Ireland in 1991 or 1992. I thought they were funny, but nothing about them suggested it would be the start of a lifelong obsession other than being a bit surprised at quite how many jokes and gags were there. Simpsons was already a certified fad by the time, a lot of my friends had shirts and toys and stuff, so as a kid I assumed it was going to be edgier or more gross and shocking than it was. The moral panic about Bart being rude and the family being degenerates did hit the UK, iirc but not very strongly. In school the reason for the Simpsons not being on TV was always given as Bart swearing constantly, but not on the videos. Apparently he said "bugger off" all the time.


This really made me laugh. I noticed C4 have cut some of the swearing Groundskeeper Willie used to get away with, particularly "I've reviewed the latest tractors...and they're all shite!"

This is interesting http://cwickham.blogspot.com/2017/02/the-simpsons-too-hot-for-uk-tv.html?m=1
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 27, 2021, 12:12:03 AM
Quote from: idunnosomename on June 26, 2021, 06:42:17 PM
Oh look i found what i was looking for in the end. Perfect page for CaB maybe though

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ED-JJ32W4AkJv_f.jpg)

It was slightly cheaper than longer tapes then (less tape inside the cassette of course), though not by much. Remember VHS tapes were quite expensive to make, they had to be recorded from the master tape which took as long as it would to watch it (I think).

When they started charging similar for DVDs, which are just stamped from a master in seconds, they were really raking it in. Amazing really how capitalism keeps conning us to spend loads of money on things that within a few decades become almost worthless.

Holy fuck that Front Runner Mountain Bike Mania release is a blast from the past! I never had that one but I had one of its sister tapes Car Wars 5:
(https://images-eu.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51E8217QKXL.__AC_SX300_SY300_QL70_ML2_.jpg)

It was quite entertaining I guess... but essentially money for old rope, splice together some car and truck accidents and get a couple of 'funny' guys in the commentary booth.

Can't find 5 but 2 is on Youtube:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fLTHJzslNw
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on June 27, 2021, 12:21:26 AM
I mean part of the reason I enjoy RLM's Best of the Worst is them delving into the bizarre ways people made money out of putting weird shit on magnetic tape during a window of not much more than a decade.

It took me a while to find a catalogue image with a Simpsons tape on because Argos didn't stock media other than video games. all kudos to the twitter account for the Our Price scan

sorry I forgot this thread was about watching terrible modern Simpsons episodes. carry on!
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Thursday on June 27, 2021, 01:09:34 PM
Now I'm remembering the controversy when they came up with those incredibly ugly head designs for season 6 of the DVD's, and people were annoyed because.

1) Because they were ugly tacky shit
2) They wouldn't line up neatly on a shelf

So they made a really snarky condescending message saying "hey you stupid fucking nerds, we'll send you a replacement box if you send it to this address."
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Steven88 on June 27, 2021, 02:29:01 PM
The cardboard sleeves are wank on the season 11 DVD, I had to return mine because the disc was covered in glue and the replacement was almost as bad. I think that was the last one I bought and probably the last full season I watched.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Old Nehamkin on June 27, 2021, 06:35:39 PM
Quote from: Thursday on June 27, 2021, 01:09:34 PM
Now I'm remembering the controversy when they came up with those incredibly ugly head designs for season 6 of the DVD's, and people were annoyed because.

1) Because they were ugly tacky shit
2) They wouldn't line up neatly on a shelf

So they made a really snarky condescending message saying "hey you stupid fucking nerds, we'll send you a replacement box if you send it to this address."

(http://photos1.blogger.com/hello/247/1596/1024/simpsonsseason6mailawayboxoffer.jpg)


Yeah sorry, cool jocks who design Simpsons DVDs, if we weren't all such stupid losers we'd understand why it's good for home media to come packaged in garish unwieldy novelty biscuit tins.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on June 27, 2021, 06:42:09 PM
Fucking hell. Like the "if anything, you owe them" line, misses the point about how people have made a fucking fortune out of The Simpsons
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 27, 2021, 06:43:01 PM
I remember that! Fucking hell. The head boxes were so shite. Not only did they not stand on a shelf popular, they got all mangled to shit within a few days. Don't think I ever saw a Homer one without the big white eyes getting scratched and filthy.
The local Blockbuster where we bought some of the later volumes were so fed up with it they had the "anally retentive" leaflet stuck the shelf with a note saying that the regular boxes were in high demand and they knew it was unreasonable.

Gonna assume those shit plastic biscuit tins are now worth more than the boxes, but there was a space where second hand novelty boxers were easy to get and the regular boxes were more expensive. The six, seven, eight, and nine boxes were really nicely done with the booklets and artwork. Who the fuck wouldn't pay a couple of quid more for them?
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: peanutbutter on June 27, 2021, 07:07:38 PM
Quote from: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 27, 2021, 06:43:01 PM
Gonna assume those shit plastic biscuit tins are now worth more than the boxes, but there was a space where second hand novelty boxers were easy to get and the regular boxes were more expensive. The six, seven, eight, and nine boxes were really nicely done with the booklets and artwork. Who the fuck wouldn't pay a couple of quid more for them?
Probably an intact plastic one is worth more but otherwise they're worth drastically less than the boxes? I imagine the value would be in a full 1-8/9/10 set so the uniformity would be worth more.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 27, 2021, 07:33:42 PM
Yeah, I guess I assumed that they stopped making the boxes after complaints and they were scarcer but no they kept going.

"No, its the customers who are wrong"
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on June 27, 2021, 09:25:22 PM
I mean presumably towards the end of the non-shitty seasons (even though six is irrefutably classic) they were worried about sales dropping off along with most DVD sales so they introduced a packaging gimmick to try and hook people in again.

never personally seen Simpsons DVDs in charity shops. Futurama yes. but never a Simpsons.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 27, 2021, 09:31:20 PM
Which is weird because for the first few series the Futurama box-sets are kind-of more consistent and better value.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on June 27, 2021, 10:02:28 PM
I mean that's the other factor on the Simpsons' downfall, that some attention moves to Futurama, which was by far the better show 99-00.

I always wonder, by the way, what influence Matt Groening had on Simpsons after it got going. Did he design any characters beyond what you see in the Ullman shorts? I mean I have had a quick google, but I've never understood when he stops being like, the go to guy for character design. I think most of the characters in season 1 (Mr Burns, Ned, Edna, Largo, Abe) were designed by him but how many in S2 (Comic Book Guy, Snake, Willie, Kodos and Kang)?
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Old Nehamkin on June 27, 2021, 10:33:43 PM
Quote from: idunnosomename on June 27, 2021, 10:02:28 PM
I mean that's the other factor on the Simpsons' downfall, that some attention moves to Futurama, which was by far the better show 99-00.

I always wonder, by the way, what influence Matt Groening had on Simpsons after it got going. Did he design any characters beyond what you see in the Ullman shorts? I mean I have had a quick google, but I've never understood when he stops being like, the go to guy for character design. I think most of the characters in season 1 (Mr Burns, Ned, Edna, Largo, Abe) were designed by him but how many in S2 (Comic Book Guy, Snake, Willie, Kodos and Kang)?

Groening served as co-showrunner for the first 2 seasons along with Sam Simon and James L. Brooks, but from the interviews I've read/heard he wasn't a full-time presence in the writers' room even then. Simon seems to have much more hands-on in that regard (which makes sense since he was a sitcom veteran whereas Groening had come to the Tracey Ullman show directly from the world of underground comics). Simon was also apparently instrumental in designing at least a few of the show's notable secondary characters (Moe was definitely one of them, I'm sure there are a few others but my memory is hazy. Maybe Burns?). The story of the first couple years of the series definitely seems to be defined by a pretty intense creative/personal tension between Groening and Simon (in fairness to Groening, Simon was pretty notorious for not exactly being easy to work with).
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on June 27, 2021, 10:59:33 PM
that's what I thought. I mean we all know by the time he has the benny about The Critic crossover he's basically got nothing to do with the production, but even in season 1 I've always thought it was other people's agency that made the series what it was
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: popcorn on June 27, 2021, 11:51:23 PM
I think Groening is brilliant, but I also think he kind of provided the seed, rather than the blueprint, for what eventually made The Simpsons great. The art team evolved his cartoon style so rapidly that I don't think his style would even have really suited the world by the time of season 2 or 3.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: purlieu on June 27, 2021, 11:53:19 PM
He is to season 5 what Syd Barrett was to Dark Side of the Moon.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on June 28, 2021, 12:06:43 AM
I mean good metaphor even if I do think Piper is the best Pink Floyd album
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: peanutbutter on June 28, 2021, 12:21:58 AM
I wouldn't imagine attention shifting to Futurama specifically would've meant much, but after 8 seasons with some signs the show is hitting a decline and knowing the normal life of TV shows; you'd have to imagine the writers that hadn't left by then (and the new ones who were joining) were very much viewing it as a job to have for a few years before the inevitable cancellation. Futurama would've probably sped up that sense that people were moving on and the show was on the way out but even as a kid  I knew Groening wasn't instrumental to it so I'm not sure it would've meant much beyond whatever staff jumped ship with him.


I wonder if the Simpsons would be better now if there had been a concentrated effort after season 8 or 9 to turn it into some kind of evergreen thing
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Petey Pate on June 28, 2021, 12:43:02 AM
Quote from: Old Nehamkin on June 27, 2021, 10:33:43 PM
Groening served as co-showrunner for the first 2 seasons along with Sam Simon and James L. Brooks, but from the interviews I've read/heard he wasn't a full-time presence in the writers' room even then. Simon seems to have much more hands-on in that regard (which makes sense since he was a sitcom veteran whereas Groening had come to the Tracey Ullman show directly from the world of underground comics). Simon was also apparently instrumental in designing at least a few of the show's notable secondary characters (Moe was definitely one of them, I'm sure there are a few others but my memory is hazy. Maybe Burns?). The story of the first couple years of the series definitely seems to be defined by a pretty intense creative/personal tension between Groening and Simon (in fairness to Groening, Simon was pretty notorious for not exactly being easy to work with).

It is fair to say that Simon's visual contributions to the show are sometimes overlooked but character designs are a bit of a hazy area.  I'm sure both Simon and Groening did hundreds of concept sketches between them, which would have been interpreted and refined by other artists, not to mention that everyone was trying to match the look determined by Groening's style in the first place.  That said, Simon definitely did the initial drawings of Mr Burns that defined the character's final look.  Principle Skinner is apparently one of the only characters who resembles how Groening first drew him.

Simon was not only a veteran of sitcoms but he had experience in animation as well, having started his career in Hollywood as a storyboard artist for Filmation. You can see some of Simon's drawings here (https://www.latimes.com/entertainment/arts/culture/la-et-cm-sam-simon-simpsons-auction-20151015-htmlstory.html) and some of these show more skill than anything I've seen by Groening, so I can imagine this would have only helped fuel resentment.

(https://www.trbimg.com/img-562016a9/turbine/la-sam-simon1-20151015)

(https://www.trbimg.com/img-56201900/turbine/la-sam-simon5-20151015)

(https://www.trbimg.com/img-562018ad/turbine/la-sam-simon4-20151015)
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 28, 2021, 12:46:24 AM
I'm a pretty big fan of Life in Hell and I admire Groenig for wanting the Simpsons to look grimy and there to be a more downbeat tone about working class struggles but this would have nuked the show from season two onwards. The bleaker episodes in the first season are good, after that nah. Simpson and Delilah works as a great transition between the family genuinely struggling and the suburban parody that came after.

Also, isn't it peculiar how Futurama is noticeably less PC that classic Simpsons? I know this might derail the thread but stuff like Bender's outbursts of AAVE and the (unseen?) character Randy seem incredibly dated.  This forum has had a pop at Futurama's sexualising of its female characters a few times I believe, and I don't think that is ever all that bad or anything other than ironic, but there are a lot of one-off gags and characters that you probably wouldn't have seen in Season 5-8 Simpsons. Futurama's original run was great, especially compared to the Simpsons of the time, but its pretty funny how a show that took such pride in being progressive has dated like a Croft and Perry joint.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on June 28, 2021, 01:06:18 AM
thats fascinating thanks. those images are part of his estate sale via Sotheby's in 2015. which call me a dunce but I cant find those early Simpsons concept drawings here so I don't know what they went for or where they are

https://www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/2015/creative-genius-of-sam-simon-n09364.html
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Old Nehamkin on June 28, 2021, 01:18:24 AM
I think that Futurama was conceived and pitched as slightly more of an edgy, grown-up affair than the all-ages family fun of the Simpsons, and so lent decidedly further into the bawdy, PC-baiting territory that characterised the hippest comedy of the heady end-of-history early '00s (although I still don't think that the original run has aged that badly compared to some of its contemporaries, and I'd argue that the show's more egregious instances of sexism specifically are mostly to be found in the Comedy Central run years later.)

To give Groening a bit more credit on this front, though, something I've heard mentioned by at least a couple of writers who worked on early Simpsons is that Groening - socially conscious hippie type that he was back then - was apparently very proactive in vetoing jokes that he felt relied on lazy downwards-punching stereotyping. This attitude seems to have earned him a reputation among the other writers as a bit of an irksome PC do-gooder, but I have to wonder if his zealotry might have helped keep those early seasons a bit more future-proofed than they might otherwise have ended up.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Petey Pate on June 28, 2021, 01:32:15 AM
Quote from: idunnosomename on June 28, 2021, 01:06:18 AM
thats fascinating thanks. those images are part of his estate sale via Sotheby's in 2015. which call me a dunce but I cant find those early Simpsons concept drawings here so I don't know what they went for or where they are

https://www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/2015/creative-genius-of-sam-simon-n09364.html

Here you go, they sold for 10,000 USD(!)

https://www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecatalogue/2015/creative-genius-of-sam-simon-n09364/lot.33.html?locale=en
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 28, 2021, 01:32:25 AM
I don't think I agree - there were a few huge clangers in in the Comedy Central years but most of the un-PC stuff had already been done, and characters were codified before. The reliance on ugly old women and the gag of robot version of something = reference to black culture (robot religion = gospel preacher, etc), the big transphobic gag in the dating service episode, Leela being miserable because she's single, the Wongs... they were all set in stone early on.

I know it all has a context of being more edgy and grown-up, but its also the most aggressively liberal show of its time, full of sincere treatments to climate change, watergate, corporate bullshit, forced obsolence, employees getting fucked over, antisemitism, racism, feminism, homelessness, you name it. On one hand it fits in perfectly as an early 00s PC baiting show, but on the other its direct opposite to that and some of its best moments of satire are sharp enough to put something like Bojack to shame. Strange.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on June 28, 2021, 01:38:15 AM
Quote from: Petey Pate on June 28, 2021, 01:32:15 AM
Here you go, they sold for 10,000 USD(!)

https://www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecatalogue/2015/creative-genius-of-sam-simon-n09364/lot.33.html?locale=en
oh thanks. yeah that's a lot. smashed the estimate (which isn't uncommon). but could be worth more eventually
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 28, 2021, 01:43:57 AM
Who is the character in the top right? Is that what Mr Burns was supposed to be? He looks like Herb!

The expressions in those sketches are wonderful. (edit: and a good counterpoint to the oft-quoted line about the outlines being what made the characters, those are from 1988 but the expressions scream season 2 goodness)
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Old Nehamkin on June 28, 2021, 01:57:35 AM
Quote from: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 28, 2021, 01:32:25 AM
I know it all has a context of being more edgy and grown-up, but its also the most aggressively liberal show of its time, full of sincere treatments to climate change, watergate, corporate bullshit, forced obsolence, employees getting fucked over, antisemitism, racism, feminism, you name it. On one hand it fits in perfectly as an early 00s PC baiting show, but on the other its direct opposite to that. Strange.

It's important to remember that indulging in consciously "anti-PC" comedy wasn't really considered a signifier of being right-wing or reactionary back then in the way it is today. The late 90s and early 00s were a strange cultural bubble in which liberals largely operated on the happy assumption that racism, sexism and homophobia were pretty much dealt with and that all of these old banished demons were fair game under the shiny new cultural consensus. This phenomenon is all tangled up in the "end of history" concept I alluded to in my last post. Look at comedians like Sarah Silverman, David Cross and many of their Gen-X contemporaries for more examples of stridently liberal entertainers who also proudly embraced "non-PC" material and rhetoric at the time. The notion of that kind of comic territory being something that belongs exclusively to conservatives would have been pretty alien to that period.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 28, 2021, 02:11:58 AM
I agree with that (and to be honest the older I get the less I'm a fan of PC and liberal focus on language/subject matter in general - generally care more about who's participating than what's being said) I think some of David Cross' records are a great example, iirc there's one where he goes off on a proto-Stewart Lee sincere defense of political correctness but bracketed with some of his un-PC material.

But even in that context Futurama is whiplash central. I suppose what contextualises it most is that it was prior to the End of the End of History: 9/11, which stops it from being a pure example of Fukuyama era liberal media. Whereas Cross/Silverman went back to Mr Show which is the most potent form of liberal un-PC humour, I think partly because its from the heart of the Clinton-era: You're Welcome, PR guy for NAMBLA, The Men's Club of Allah, Indomitable Spirit, etc. I adore Mr Show but on this particular topic you could examine it for days and keep finding examples. It is a show where the hosts sang a song directed to their black viewers about how grateful they should be that white people ended slavery, with 100% conviction that this was an act of anti-racist satire on their part.

Futurama is different because there's little to no detached Gen X irony about the satire. I'd argue its different to the Mr Show alumni because there's no knowing wink there. It lacks that sense that gay jokes and misogyny can be funny because we (the implied middle class white audience) all already know what the right opinions are. In that context Futurama was considered a bit preachy, even because it went after its targets without the detached layer of hipster irony. The global warming episode is about global warming not about how the media talks about global warming, and is worth comparing to the South Park episode on the same topic. The Vietnam parody doesn't roll its eyes about parodying the military and Kissenger.  When there are broadly feminist gags, they're not done with a wink to the camera, they're genuinely poking fun at masculinity. The stuff about MOM corp is a blunt anti-capitalist message, and the dire situation of being employed established in very first episode never really has a funny pay off: work is dehumanising and mostly sucks, that's it. Then someone will yell something in an effeminate gay voice because effeminate gay voices are funny and Bender will do a hood voice for no reason.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Petey Pate on June 28, 2021, 09:31:40 AM
Quote from: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 28, 2021, 01:43:57 AM
Who is the character in the top right? Is that what Mr Burns was supposed to be? He looks like Herb!

The expressions in those sketches are wonderful. (edit: and a good counterpoint to the oft-quoted line about the outlines being what made the characters, those are from 1988 but the expressions scream season 2 goodness)

Yes, the top right character is an early version of Burns.  If I remember rightly, Sam Simon shows Marc Maron that drawing in his WTF interview, and describes how he wanted Burns to look meaner and more lizard-like. The 1988 date seems a little early by my estimations, at least I don't think Lionel Hutz or Dr Hibbert were conceived back then.

For more early Simpsons drawings and designs, David Silverman posted a bunch on Twitter a while back.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/robinedds/simpsons-illustrator-david-silverman-tweeted-a-load-of-early
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on June 28, 2021, 12:15:49 PM
Wow

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BeTnS6mCYAAkW79.jpg)
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Leej88 on June 28, 2021, 03:29:22 PM
Sam Simon was the brains and Matt just provided drawings and names.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: popcorn on June 28, 2021, 04:49:31 PM
I'd really like to know about the deal Groening (I assume) struck to have his signature appended to every single piece of Simpsons art ever, even though he probably never drew a single one of them. How did that happen? Why did it happen?
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on June 28, 2021, 06:45:11 PM
I can only assume it's an early part of the contract that he signed when his shorts were developed into a series under Gracie Films that all promotional material must promote him as the creator, and it's evolved into a distinct bit of branding. I mean the series font kinda looks like it.

I don't really understand who "owns" the Simpsons - dont Disney just control the distribution rights? Could the executive board feasibly do whatever they want with it now? Surely Groening has some sort of veto? Possible we just dont know the precise contracts it's held under
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: crankshaft on June 28, 2021, 07:40:13 PM
Quote from: idunnosomename on June 28, 2021, 06:45:11 PM
I can only assume it's an early part of the contract that he signed when his shorts were developed into a series under Gracie Films that all promotional material must promote him as the creator, and it's evolved into a distinct bit of branding. I mean the series font kinda looks like it.

I don't really understand who "owns" the Simpsons - dont Disney just control the distribution rights? Could the executive board feasibly do whatever they want with it now? Surely Groening has some sort of veto? Possible we just dont know the precise contracts it's held under

As far as I understand it, The Simpsons was owned by Fox, produced for them by Gracie Films, and is thus now owned by Disney. Groening, Brooks and Simon (and, latterly, Al Jean and the primary voice cast) all get a percentage of the profits from all the show's revenue, including merchandise. At its peak, Matt Groening was loathe to say no to any merch requests because the money was so good, hence the zillions of items available (lampshaded neatly in the show by Krusty's similarly endlessly stream of ridiculous branded merchandise).
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on June 28, 2021, 07:43:51 PM
oh interesting, makes sense. there must be a fair bit of internal politics stopping the company executive saying "you guys suck, the simpsons have sucked for years, we're going to get Kathleen Kennedy to reboot it" though
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on June 28, 2021, 07:52:32 PM
The show still makes money.

If anything, Disney getting The Simpsons will have made it even more financially successful because now the show is licensed to Fox in America.

The production run I am nearing the end of was probably the only point it made sense financially to end it. They actually thought it might be coming to an end and written an episode to be a last one. It took a few things to keep it on the air (pay cuts, animation budget cut). The big stumbling block was that the syndication deal was a very old one and only came to an end when the show ended. They eventually renegotiated the syndication deal without ending the show and the show has been extremely profitable since.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 28, 2021, 11:35:01 PM
Quote from: idunnosomename on June 28, 2021, 07:43:51 PM
oh interesting, makes sense. there must be a fair bit of internal politics stopping the company executive saying "you guys suck, the simpsons have sucked for years, we're going to get Kathleen Kennedy to reboot it" though

The inevitable soft reboot will be unbearable. It'll be significantly funnier because how could it not be, but drained of any uniqueness or character. More built by commitee than any Avengers movie. I've kind of been anticipating that one season will launch out of the blue with a different art style, mostly different cast, different characters and zero continuity and the internet going wild for new good Simpsons.

It'll probably pick a cultural wars side and either be soulless liberal representation wins or edgy anti-PC dreck on top of it, too.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on June 28, 2021, 11:37:53 PM
Nah, don't see a reboot happening. I do foresee them remaking the first episode shot for shot but in HD and with the modern animation style.



If it was made in the 70s then maybe we would have seen a live action adaption in the 90s. Yes I know they made a live action advert or something.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 28, 2021, 11:40:44 PM
Castellaneta is in his mid 60s, Kavner is 70. Shearer is nearly 80.

The Simpsons is still a profitable brand so they're probably going to have to do something to keep the episodes coming. I don't think they'll wait until one of the major players carks and then wind it up.

The internet loathes it. The heavily shaded plastic version of the art style is a dated eyesore. The cast is geriatric. Somethings gotta give eventually. We can be fairly certain a full reboot or a cancellation are both off the cards.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 28, 2021, 11:48:37 PM
The George Bush quote about wanting the average family to be "more like the Waltons and less like the Simpsons" has a new resonance when the president of the USA is Joe Biden and the Simpsons cast makes Last of the Summer Wine look like an episode of Kiddystare.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: popcorn on June 28, 2021, 11:54:55 PM
Quote from: idunnosomename on June 28, 2021, 06:45:11 PM
I can only assume it's an early part of the contract that he signed when his shorts were developed into a series under Gracie Films that all promotional material must promote him as the creator, and it's evolved into a distinct bit of branding.

Absolutely. But that's so weird! I want to know more about it! I want the details!

QuoteI mean the series font kinda looks like it.

The series font is based on Groening's handwriting! There's an interview where he talks about one of the weirdest moments of his Simpsons success was being in some diner in the middle of nowhere and they had some print-out stuck on a door using the font.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on June 29, 2021, 01:13:50 AM
I said it before but at this rate they can probably Frankingstein together whole episodes from existing dialogue.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Blumf on June 29, 2021, 02:41:10 AM
Probably technically possible to 'deep fake' the voices in a convincing way now.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: wrec on June 29, 2021, 03:08:44 AM
Quote from: JamesTC on June 28, 2021, 11:37:53 PM
If it was made in the 70s then maybe we would have seen a live action adaption in the 90s.
I remember reading somewhere very early on that a live action movie featuring John Goodman and Macaulay Culkin was rumoured to be in the works, which I'm pretty sure it wasn't outside of ill-imformed gossip columns
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 29, 2021, 03:32:27 AM
Wasn't Michael Jackson supposed to have strongly suggested Culkin as Bart during his guest spot or am I confusing rumours?

Wouldn't be all that shocking if one of the Camp Krusty plans was for a live action movie, since setting in the camp meant a lot of the regular cast wouldn't have to be there.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: ishantbekeepingit on June 29, 2021, 10:07:49 AM
Quote from: Blumf on June 29, 2021, 02:41:10 AM
Probably technically possible to 'deep fake' the voices in a convincing way now.
There's this (https://youtu.be/ha8YnaGc3zY), which sounds technically great, but in terms of the inflection is all over the shop.  Maybe a new iteration could overlay the computer voice on top of someone else's reading, though.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Master Cylinder on June 29, 2021, 10:17:23 AM
Tbf, it's pretty close to the modern day vocal delivery.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: thr0b on June 29, 2021, 10:27:33 AM
Quote from: JamesTC on June 28, 2021, 11:37:53 PM
Nah, don't see a reboot happening. I do foresee them remaking the first episode shot for shot but in HD and with the modern animation style.

South Park did it.

(South Park joke as well. Arf. But yes, they have re-animated most of the early seasons in HD and the current art style, to nice effect.)
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Old Nehamkin on June 29, 2021, 10:32:35 AM
Quote from: thr0b on June 29, 2021, 10:27:33 AM
South Park did it.

(South Park joke as well. Arf. But yes, they have re-animated most of the early seasons in HD and the current art style, to nice effect.)

Hmm, not sure I like that idea. Have the re-animated versions replaced the originals on streaming/home media? Would much rather they just left them alone. Doubly so for early Simpsons.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 29, 2021, 02:25:57 PM
It's 2027. Mr Plow has been reanimated, with Linda Ronstadt removed and replaced with an original character. All the questionable jokes removed. Homer was at the candy store, buying candy. He now asks "do you come with the car?" to Duff Man.

Since torrenting has been stomped out by ISPs, the original Simpsons are totally unavailable.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on June 29, 2021, 07:52:32 PM
Season 23 - Episode 7 - The Man in the Blue Flannel Pants

Third episode in a row not to have opening titles. Weird.

Bart and Milhouse are in the audience for the Krusty show. Bart fantasises about being murdered by a zombie bride. Krusty's agents need Krusty to help them sell Krusty brand vodka so asks Krusty to host a party to create buzz. Krusty needs a fan's home to host it and Bart wins. Homer is allowed to invite people to the party too. Burns arrives and ruins the party by scaring everybody away. To improve the party, Homer does karaoke with Burns. Burns is impressed by Homer's party hosting. Burns appoints Homer as an "accounts man" which is the plot of the episode.

Homer now moves to the executive building and everything is all posh and swanky. The previous accounts man, Robert, has agreed to stay on until Homer can agree a deal with the mayor. They have a meeting with the mayor and all goes well. Homer returns home late and Lisa tells Homer he was supposed to read to her but he wants to fuck Marge who is horny so he tells Bart to read to her. Bart is bad at reading. Montage of Homer working his new job. Bart is now good at reading.

Homer is depressed about how meaningless his job is or something. Marge goes to Robert and asks if he will take his old job back but he doesn't want to. Milhouse's parents arrive in bondage to have sex with Robert. Bart is reading a book at school when the bullies see him and force him to read to them. They love the book which is the end of this exciting B-plot. Marge tells Homer they should go on a family vacation. Burns arrives regarding some account and sees the pamphlet for the vacation and suggests he takes the clients there.

Homer has to manage the clients whilst being on the holiday with the family. He jumps back and forth between a boat with the family and the clients. Both boats are heading for a waterfall and Homer has to pick which one to rescue. Homer picks the family. Robert rescues Burns whilst the clients all die. Homer is back as safety inspector. Credits roll.

3/10
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 29, 2021, 07:58:42 PM
Quote from: thr0b on June 29, 2021, 10:27:33 AM
South Park did it.

(South Park joke as well. Arf. But yes, they have re-animated most of the early seasons in HD and the current art style, to nice effect.)

I always thought that was quite respectfully done. You can tell they held it in higher regard than Family Guy!
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Leej88 on June 29, 2021, 08:00:35 PM
When all the actors die, What they gonna do recast or end it?
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on June 29, 2021, 08:16:26 PM
Season 23 - Episode 8 - The Ten-Per-Cent Solution

Krusty is angry that his show is being taken over by cartoons. The family visit a TV museum which is closing down. Bart shoots a gun owned by a baby and splits Homer's pants so he considers replacing his pants with Fatso Flannigan's (a parody of The Honeymooners). Fatso Flannigan's agent, Annie, is there for some reason. Krusty is fired for being old-fashioned and is then dropped by his agent which is the plot of the episode.

The family go to Krusty Burger and see Krusty crying in a ball pit. Krusty mentions needing an agent to make a comeback so they take him to Annie. Annie refuses to represent Krusty because she hired and dated him in the 60s but once he became successful he left to another agent. Krusty asks for forgiveness, and she does forgive him. Annie gets Krusty a job doing his show for adults with the idea that adults like nostalgia now. The show goes really well. HBOWTIME want him to do a show. Krusty demands Annie be the producer.

Krusty's new show is bigger and more expensive now. Annie is an arse on set and shouts at everybody, including a monkey because he upstaged Krusty. The network call Krusty in and explain that Annie is causing trouble. The show starts but Annie doesn't want Janeane Garofalo on because she is funnier than Krusty. Krusty refuses to kick Annie off the show so gets a new show called Sex Over Sixty. Credits roll.

2/10 - So Krusty doesn't have a show anymore?
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on June 29, 2021, 09:14:32 PM
Season 23 - Episode 9 - Holidays of Future Passed

I'm not certain, but I think this may be the only episode of The Simpsons to date that was written to serve as a possible series finale. The show was under threat of cancellation at the end of the production run so they decided to write what could be a serviceable last episode. It will be an interesting insight into how good the actual ending will be when it comes around...

The family are full after Thanksgiving. Marge declares the ending of Thanksgiving, so it is now time to take Christmas photos. They take the photo and it goes through the next 30 years of pictures to show them growing up. It is now 30 years in the future which is the plot of the episode.

Bart lives in Springfield Elementary in a room converted into an apartment. Skinner wants Bart's rent. Bart's two sons transport in while arguing with his ex-wife. Bart decides to just leave them with Marge. Lisa is in a relationship with Milhouse and her daughter, Zia, is insolent like Bart. Milhouse suggests taking Zia to Marge's to spend time over Christmas. Cut to London with Daleks patrolling and Maggie is staying at The Benny Hilton. Maggie is the lead singer of a huge band. Maggie is pregnant and a MEDBOT says until she gives birth she isn't to make a sound... for some reason.

Homer is in bed with Marge and suggests some future sex. This was initially a funny joke until they had Homer explain that he meant a week from tomorrow when his new penis arrives. Maggie, Bart and Lisa all inform Marge via Brain Mail that they are coming home for Christmas. Homer gets a malware bMail and opens it and starts violently shaking. Lisa and Bart arrive. Homer is building a ship in a bottle and Lisa is impressed but Homer explains he does it since he stopped drinking and would smash all his bottles for one drink. Bart finds out his ex-wife is remarrying and is now depressed. Flanders arrives at the window and lets the audience know that after Homer killed Edna he married Maude's ghost and then Maude's ghost arrives and tells Flanders that there is no God. I paused the episode, facepalmed and said "holy fucking shit".

Marge gets the jar of cookies out and pulls out a pill which she then hydrates which turns into a sheet of paper with a recipe for cookies and she then pulls out all the ingredients. Lisa asks Zia if she wants to go to see Cher but Zia is an arse and says she doesn't want to in a rude way. Lisa is then rude to Marge not realising the irony. Homer takes Bart's boys to downtown Springfield. Snake is a robocop type cyborg now and Apu and his 8 children try to fight him off.

Maggie is getting a taxi with one of the old bullies (Kearny?) when she starts to go into labour. Lisa and Bart drunkenly talk in the treehouse. Lisa asks if she should have married Nelson instead. Lisa slags off Marge for taking her daughters side but then realises she is a good mother. Bart wants to reconnect with his kids so he shows them Krusty but Krusty is rubbish now. Maggie gets to the hospital. Homer has taken Bart's boys out and Bart is annoyed that he is being a good grandfather after being a bad father. Patty and Selma arrive with their new love bots but then their love bots break up with them and leave together.

Maggie is given a pacifier instead of an epidural by Dr Hibbert who is wearing one of those Geordie La Forge visors because future. Apu thinks his dead brother Sanjay is a cow. Zia is plugged into the internet so Lisa enters the internet like in that episode of Futurama when they enter the internet. Lisa finds Zia's door in the internet and ponders whether to enter it. Bart is driving around looking for his boys when he is pulled over by Chief Wiggum. Ralph steps up to the window and Bart says that he thought he died and Ralph retorts that he "got cloneded" and then shoots himself in the head. I paused the episode, facepalmed and said "holy fucking shit" again.

The clone Ralph joke then sees 10 more Ralphs die. Bart goes to Moe's. Lenny and Carl have switched bodies for some reason. Lisa enters Zia's room in the internet and finds it is just like her old room and there is a poster on the wall of Lisa alongside other successful women from history. Zia arrives and asks if Lisa thought she could have been flashing her boobs on "unripemelons.com". Zia says she looks up to Lisa but is also hiding a rave in the closet which Lisa doesn't see. Homer and Bart's kids go and see Grandpa at a cryogenic facility. Homer explains that they have a cure for what he has but it is cheaper than a nursing home. Homer explains to the kids that everybody thinks their father is a jerk but when you get older you realise how much you love them. Bart arrives and apologises to the kids. Homer decides to let Grandpa out of the cryogenic facility.

They are all back at the house now. Maggie arrives and has a new baby girl. They decide to take a picture so Marge asks the pets to take it. Santa's Little Helper and Snowball II have evolved to walk upright and have super large brains. Santa's Little Helper takes the picture. The end of the Simpsons forever because it was cancelled.

2/10 - A fitting end for The Simpsons. Shit, unfunny and depressing. Did I forget to mention Milhouse wears a burka because Michigan is under Sharia law? I turned off the episode, facepalmed and said "holy fucking shit".
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Carpool Dragon on June 29, 2021, 10:06:48 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on June 29, 2021, 09:14:32 PM
2/10 - A fitting end for The Simpsons. Shit, unfunny and depressing. Did I forget to mention Milhouse wears a burka because Michigan is under Sharia law? I turned off the episode, facepalmed and said "holy fucking shit".
Man, I thought you were joking (https://www.downriversundaytimes.com/2011/12/17/%e2%80%98simpsons%e2%80%99-episode-spoofs-fear-of-sharia-law/).
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: dissolute ocelot on June 30, 2021, 09:01:04 AM
Quote from: JamesTC on June 29, 2021, 07:52:32 PM
Season 23 - Episode 7 - The Man in the Blue Flannel Pants

Third episode in a row not to have opening titles. Weird.

Bart and Milhouse are in the audience for the Krusty show. Bart fantasises about being murdered by a zombie bride. Krusty's agents need Krusty to help them sell Krusty brand vodka so asks Krusty to host a party to create buzz. Krusty needs a fan's home to host it and Bart wins. Homer is allowed to invite people to the party too. Burns arrives and ruins the party by scaring everybody away. To improve the party, Homer does karaoke with Burns. Burns is impressed by Homer's party hosting. Burns appoints Homer as an "accounts man" which is the plot of the episode.

I assume this has something to do with the time Mad Men and retro alcoholism were trendy. It's certainly dull enough to be a Mad Men parody. As an episode it's reasonably well designed and directed, it's just completely unrelated to The Simpsons and not funny.

The show always had a fondness for trolling its fans but by this point it was emailing them nasty pictures of their naked parents.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on June 30, 2021, 10:23:06 AM
Why would Millhouse be wearing a female modesty garment? Stop getting Islam[nb]arguably a dress code of Arab society rather than intrinsically Muslim[/nb] wrong!!!
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on June 30, 2021, 10:31:38 AM
Quote from: idunnosomename on June 30, 2021, 10:23:06 AM
Why would Millhouse be wearing a female modesty garment? Stop getting Islam[nb]arguably a dress code of Arab society rather than intrinsically Muslim[/nb] wrong!!!

They do explain it but I can't remember the reason because it was just a joke about Milhouse being in a Niqab.

I did realise after posting that I got the name of the garb wrong but it was too late to modify without getting an edit glitch so I too am getting Islam wrong.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: mippy on June 30, 2021, 10:47:37 AM
Quote from: dissolute ocelot on June 30, 2021, 09:01:04 AM
I assume this has something to do with the time Mad Men and retro alcoholism were trendy. It's certainly dull enough to be a Mad Men parody. As an episode it's reasonably well designed and directed, it's just completely unrelated to The Simpsons and not funny.

The show always had a fondness for trolling its fans but by this point it was emailing them nasty pictures of their naked parents.

Title is a reference to Sloan Crossley's 60s ad man novel "The Man In The Grey Flannel Suit", so that sounds about right.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: buttgammon on June 30, 2021, 10:53:45 AM
Quote from: mippy on June 30, 2021, 10:47:37 AM
Title is a reference to Sloan Crossley's 60s ad man novel "The Man In The Grey Flannel Suit", so that sounds about right.

My copy of this has a picture taken from the film adaptation - which I've never seen - where Gregory Peck looks very Don Draper-ish. This is a reprint that would've come out when Mad Men was at its peak, but the book and film must've been a big influence on Mad Men.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on June 30, 2021, 10:58:17 AM
It seems I'm in the minority in really disliking the future episode. It got great reviews on broadcast and was held up an an episode that can sit amongst the classics. An episode that has Flanders marry a ghost, Milhouse wear a Niqab, Ralph clones repeatedly die, all trees secretly being sentient, Lisa marrying Milhouse, Bart having a depressing future as a deadbeat Dad and has super smart evolved Santa's Little Helper and Snowball II.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: popcorn on June 30, 2021, 12:27:04 PM
I wonder what the perception is of The Simpsons among teenagers today. Do they primarily know it as the show that's been broadcasting for the last 10 years, and if so, do the old episodes seem weird and old-fashioned and ropey?
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on June 30, 2021, 12:38:28 PM
I mean we could tell which ones were the classic Tom and Jerrys from the slightly off early ones and the cheapo 60s ones onwards when they came on randomly
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: popcorn on June 30, 2021, 12:39:13 PM
Yeah and we could tell which Simpsons episodes were from series 1 back in the 90s, and loads of people at school said they were shit, which is offensive and bad.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on June 30, 2021, 11:57:37 PM
yes mine too. i could see kids today finding the Klasky-Csupo animated episodes a bit jarring, like the early T&J. but also seeing the latter episodes as going through the "well this isnt anywhere near as good" Chuck Jones era to "oh dear this is shit" beyond that
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on July 01, 2021, 12:18:52 AM
I also obsessed over the theme toon today a bit. I mean always knew it was in lydian (basically the regular major scale with the 4th augmented to make it a tritone), but never really thought how it changes key like every iteration of the melody (for instance it starts in C, drops down after the intro a semitone to B, then jumps up to E). it's basically well-tempered wackiness

In Thhhhe Siiiimp Sons, "The" is C, "Simp" is F# (its tritone, devil's interval, blue note) and "Sons" is G (the nice clean 5th)

The other most straightforward Lydian piece I know is Joe Satriani's Flying in a Blue Dream.

I also came across Banksy's couch gag from 11 years ago, and its original storyboard

(http://pics.blameitonthevoices.com/012011/small_banksy%20simpsons%20storyboard.jpg)

I might say if you think you have an important political point to make, but make it through completely unresearched hyperbole about South Korean working conditions through chinky-chinaman slitty eyes and lampshade hats, maybe you don't have an important point after all.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: evilcommiedictator on July 01, 2021, 04:01:09 AM
Didn't the Clerks Animated Series make this same joke like 20 years ago?
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Mobbd on July 01, 2021, 09:17:30 AM
Quote from: idunnosomename on July 01, 2021, 12:18:52 AM
I also obsessed over the theme toon today a bit..

Danny Elfman was on Maron's WTF podcast recently. There's a bit about The Simpsons theme and how it inadvertently made him rich because he happened to sing "The Simpsons" through a vocoder and now gets a tiny percentage every time it airs (which rings true as per that more cynical attempt by Gene Roddenberry to get money for airings of the Star Trek theme by writing unbroadcast lyrics for it). The actual paycheck from Fox for the gig was (and I may have misunderstood this so do check if you're really interested) was eleven dollars.

Elfman doesn't talk about The Simpsons for long but there is definitely more to his story of the theme tune than that. Plus it's not such a terrible interview. Check it out if you like. http://www.wtfpod.com/podcast/episode-1232-danny-elfman
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Mobbd on July 01, 2021, 09:27:57 AM
Quote from: JamesTC on June 29, 2021, 07:52:32 PM
Season 23 - Episode 7 - The Man in the Blue Flannel Pants
3/10

I watched it because you somehow did't make it sound too bad. And in fact I would raise your 3 to a 4. It feels a little tired at times but there are some funny moments. I just can't remember any somehow. Homer putting that iguana? Hmm. No laugh-out-louds but I remember thinking "heh."

The main problem is that the Mad Men stuff is just weird when Mad Men isn't in your life anymore. I didn't understand the reference at first at all: it was just Homer being a mid-century salary man for some reason. Were they really sending up The Man in The Grey Flannel Suit? Because that seemed unlikely. It slowly dawned on me what was going on but it didn't qualify as parody for me because it wasn't being funny about Mad Men, merely referring to it pointlessly.

They must have known at the time that this wouldn't age well? That Mad Men was a fashionable TV show and not something people would remember particularly well in even five years? I remember catching a bit of the episode they did about 24 and being similarly appalled at the lack of interest in creating something for the ages. It might as well have been HIGNFY - just a bit of topical twaddle.

I mean, I thought the Simpsons lived on EVERGREEN Terrace? Yeah. Take that The Simpsons.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Mobbd on July 01, 2021, 09:28:49 AM
Quote from: idunnosomename on June 30, 2021, 10:23:06 AM
Why would Millhouse be wearing a female modesty garment? Stop getting Islam wrong!!!

I strongly suspect that that was the joke. :(
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Master Cylinder on July 01, 2021, 10:05:44 AM
Quote from: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on June 29, 2021, 01:13:50 AM
I said it before but at this rate they can probably Frankingstein together whole episodes from existing dialogue.

Well they're definitely Frankensteining old scripts.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: mippy on July 01, 2021, 10:51:50 AM
Eh, there are plenty of references in the older episodes that weren't in there with posterity in mind. I'd completely forgotten about the Taiwanese animation thing mind you.

There was the Sopranos intro parody a few seasons before, as well.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxiE8qIokDE
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on July 01, 2021, 04:45:39 PM
Quote from: Mobbd on July 01, 2021, 09:17:30 AM
Danny Elfman was on Maron's WTF podcast recently. There's a bit about The Simpsons theme and how it inadvertently made him rich because he happened to sing "The Simpsons" through a vocoder and now gets a tiny percentage every time it airs (which rings true as per that more cynical attempt by Gene Roddenberry to get money for airings of the Star Trek theme by writing unbroadcast lyrics for it). The actual paycheck from Fox for the gig was (and I may have misunderstood this so do check if you're really interested) was eleven dollars.

Elfman doesn't talk about The Simpsons for long but there is definitely more to his story of the theme tune than that. Plus it's not such a terrible interview. Check it out if you like. http://www.wtfpod.com/podcast/episode-1232-danny-elfman
oh i should. thanks.

the other thing about the theme tune is that it's very similar to the emergent melody of King Crimson's Fracture (1974), which also jumps around loads of keys suddenly. hmm.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: ajsmith2 on July 01, 2021, 04:56:17 PM
I'm only getting around to watching the whole of Mad Men right now, so to me any Mad Men references are totally current!

Though even with that perspective, The Simpsons Mad Men episode from a decade ago still seems like the latter day shows usual 'latching onto current popular thing in a hollow attempt to appear relevant' kind of deal though. Depressing and empty.

In their prime, if they referenced another pop culture property it was a happening, exciting event, and respect was not guaranteed. But this ain't that. Homer knocking about with John Slattery doing a watered down Roger Sterling and The Simpsons own so very creakily old Kennedy-referencing mayor character. :( Please may we sit beside you John so that some of the glamour of your current hit show may rub off on us.

https://youtu.be/dv4RzYxxASw
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Mobbd on July 07, 2021, 09:44:10 AM
Quote from: ajsmith2 on July 01, 2021, 04:56:17 PM
The Simpsons Mad Men episode from a decade ago still seems like the latter day shows usual 'latching onto current popular thing in a hollow attempt to appear relevant' kind of deal though. Depressing and empty.

Further to this, I'm still enjoying my re-watch of earlier episodes and I just saw "Rosebud" this morning. This (along with "Homer's Barbershop Quartet" and probably many other early episodes too) show how cultural referencing/parody is done:

1. Use enduring icons, not flavour-of-the-month reference points.

2. Make nods to the cultural property you're ripping off so that those who get it will be rewarded; but at the same time don't alienate the audience who don't get it by relying heavily on the reference as currency. And when you remember that most of your audience is in the future, please refer back to 1.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: buttgammon on July 07, 2021, 09:58:06 AM
Quote from: Mobbd on July 07, 2021, 09:44:10 AM
Further to this, I'm still enjoying my re-watch of earlier episodes and I just saw "Rosebud" this morning. This (along with "Homer's Barbershop Quartet" and probably many other early episodes too) show how cultural referencing/parody is done:

1. Use enduring icons, not flavour-of-the-month reference points.

2. Make nods to the cultural property you're ripping off so that those who get it will be rewarded; but at the same time don't alienate the audience who don't get it by relying heavily on the reference as currency. And when you remember that most of your audience is in the future, please refer back to 1.

Yes, this! I'd watched that episodes loads of times before I ever saw Citizen Kane, so that when I finally saw one of the most celebrated films of all time, all I was thinking of was The Simpsons. Getting all the references has enhanced my viewing of that episode but it was a great episode before.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Mobbd on July 07, 2021, 12:02:28 PM
Quote from: buttgammon on July 07, 2021, 09:58:06 AM
Yes, this! I'd watched that episodes loads of times before I ever saw Citizen Kane, so that when I finally saw one of the most celebrated films of all time, all I was thinking of was The Simpsons. Getting all the references has enhanced my viewing of that episode but it was a great episode before.

Thanks BG. I'm told that the references to stage musicals (The Music Man?) in "Marge vs the Monorail" are exceptionally on-point. As someone who doesn't watch stage musicals, I neither know nor care. It works on its own.

Maybe one day when I am old I will consume the source material and be rewarded. For now (and for the past 25 years or something) I "just" have a solid and wonderful The Simpsons episode that makes me laugh a lot. "The ring's come off my pudding can" /"take my pen knife my good man".
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: buttgammon on July 07, 2021, 02:04:34 PM
Quote from: Mobbd on July 07, 2021, 12:02:28 PM
Thanks BG. I'm told that the references to stage musicals (The Music Man?) in "Marge vs the Monorail" are exceptionally on-point. As someone who doesn't watch stage musicals, I neither know nor care. It works on its own.

Maybe one day when I am old I will consume the source material and be rewarded. For now (and for the past 25 years or something) I "just" have a solid and wonderful The Simpsons episode that makes me laugh a lot. "The ring's come off my pudding can" /"take my pen knife my good man".

Same here; I actually dislike musicals but it's one of my favourite episodes because it's just brilliant in its own right.

I've even laughed at jokes that were references before without getting them. I was 29 or 30 when I realised "you call that a knife?" came from Crocodile Dundee, but I still found it funny.

The heavy-handed later stuff has none of that. Admittedly, I suspect a lot of it is an excuse to cram in celebrity cameos, but in such a way that it's pointless if you're not a fan of the thing they're referencing. I'm reminded of the Snatch Game week on RuPaul's Drag Race, which I don't like because it's dependent on knowing who the people being imitated are, and I often don't know them. To use a Simpsons analogy, it becomes very much a "white guys drive like this" style of comedy with no depth to it.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on July 07, 2021, 11:09:06 PM
There is an art to making a reference funny even to somebody who doesn't understand it. So many films and shows I have subsequently watched and only then realised The Simpsons referenced. Citizen Kane, Twin Peaks, Raiders of the Lost Ark, Rear Window... the list goes on.

The Simpsons just can't do that now. Now you either have a joke or you have a reference but you never get both at the same time.

Speaking of The Simpsons lazily referencing something... I see a new mini-episode has popped up on Disney+.

Special - The Good, The Bart, and the Loki

Loki is banished by his family from Asgard and is sent to Springfield. He arrives in the backyard of the Simpson house. Bart brings him in to show him his family. Homer asks Loki to turn one pork chop into two and then worships him when he does it. Lisa complains and Loki sends her to Asgard. Lisa arrives and lands near Thor's hammer. Lisa is worthy and grows loads of muscles and a cape for some reason.

Lisa/Thor returns to Bart and Loki and she brings the Springfield Avengers with her which is Barney/Iron Man, that guy from the weapons shop/Captain America, Moe/Vision, Patty & Selma/Scarlett Witch & Agatha Harkness (I think)... ahh loads of the fuckers have now arrived and I can't be arsed transcribing/guessing the rest. Ralph is there as Hulk because of course he has to be there.

Loki makes Bart look like him and takes Bart's place. Lisa throws Bart into space thinking it was Loki. Loki is in bed as Bart but then turns back into Loki. Homer enters the room and doesn't notice it is Loki and kisses him goodnight. Then Homer asks Loki to turn Flanders into a pork chop in the morning, so I guess he did notice but didn't care? I don't fucking know.

The credits start but then it cuts to Moe's Tavern and Loki is pretending to be Moe and is giving everybody free beer because it will ruin their lives but they don't care because they are getting free beer. Credits continue. Now Ralph does that thing that Hulk does with Loki in the first Avengers film when he slams him on the ground but it is not as funny because it is Ralph instead of the Hulk.

The credits have now finished and there is yet another clip. Loki is on trial like in the show Loki except they try to add jokes into his charges like he has a British accent.

Five minutes of my life I'll never get back.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on July 07, 2021, 11:56:27 PM
So it turns out The Simpsons wasn't cancelled with Holidays of Future Passed. In fact it has continued on for *checks notes* NINE SEASONS? Oh fuck.

Season 23 - Episode 10 - Politically Inept, with Homer Simpson

The family are at the airport in a queue to go to cousin Cathy's wedding. Jokes occur but I can't be bothered to transcribe them because they aren't funny. Do you really want to know that Homer gets a massage from a TSA agent? Didn't think so.

Homer is annoyed that the plane is taking ages to take off. Homer acts like a loon and speaks his mind which Bart records on their phone. Homer jumps off the plane and gets beaten with batons. Bart posts the video to MyTube and it becomes a viral hit. Homer is now really popular for speaking his mind which is the plot of the episode.

Homer ends up on some Fox News style show. He rants and raves under Marge's suggestion. Homer likes to watch women's tennis because he likes to hear them grunt. Homer gets his own show. The show is called Gut Check with Homer Simpson and the opening titles involves him taking the stars off the American flag and killing a panda, an alien and a Canadian with them. Homer confirms he does not say racist things. Some GB News style stuff with Homer ranting about a Nebraska teacher who is replacing American Football with soccer.

Marge worries that Homer is riling people up with his show. Homer does some analogy about freedom being a gravy boat or something and then pours a load of gravy on a meat version of America. Lisa is worried that symbols can rile people up. Loads of idiots start wearing gravy boats on their head. Homer is asked by the Republicans to pick their next leader. Homer endorses Ted Nugent. Ted Nugent is skinning an elk in the backyard when Flanders starts talking to him. Ted shoots Flanders in the head with an arrow. Ted says he had caught a badger but it is Martin.

Homer is visited by James Maddison, the fourth president, in his sleep. He teaches Homer about democracy. The founding fathers attack Homer. Homer wakes up from his dream to realise that politics are important and he now won't endorse anything. Homer then sees a pamphlet in Lisa's room and it has a James Maddison impersonator in it and he realises that the dream was a fake. Now Homer is even more determined to endorse Ted Nugent. Homer goes on his show but he can't be emotional about Ted Nugent and so he tells America that he full of crap. Ted Nugent plays a song.

2/10 - Ted Nugent played himself. Before this episode aired he described anal sex between men as offensive to him. He said Obama should suck on his machine gun and referred to him as a communist. He called Dianne Feinstein a "worthless whore". He said a feminist was a fat pig that didn't get enough. He called foreigners assholes and scum. Still okay to appear on The Simpsons in 2012. I would hope cunts like this wouldn't ever be anywhere near the show these days. No matter how bad the show gets, I at least want it to keep a little fucking dignity. There is so little left.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: buttgammon on July 08, 2021, 01:19:44 AM
I was hoping that last one turned out to be a parody of Network but nope, witless, backwards drivel.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: ishantbekeepingit on July 08, 2021, 08:50:36 AM
Ted Nugent also once became a 16yo girl's legal guardian in order that he could marry her.  While we're counting.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: dissolute ocelot on July 08, 2021, 10:20:12 AM
Quote from: JamesTC on July 07, 2021, 11:56:27 PM
Season 23 - Episode 10 - Politically Inept, with Homer Simpson
This episode is a reasonably neat parody of out-of-date stuff in America from a few years before it was aired: Glenn Beck whom it parodies was at his peak 2008-09 initially on CNN then Fox, and left Fox in 2011; this aired in 2012; it would have been much more daring (and timely) to parody Beck before he left Fox.

It suffers from not actually feeling like Homer or the Simpsons. Homer used to be laid back but now he's getting into rages? I guess he does that when the plot requires. And he suddenly gives speeches? Maybe a skilled writer could craft a story where a good-natured simpleton becomes a political icon, but they try to shape Homer into something entirely different. It would make more sense if it was about Moe.

And the second half is a total mess: remember when there were characters who had personalities and they went through experiences and changed their minds about things? That's how human beings used to behave. Now it's all non-sequiturs and sudden about-turns. Why do we need a fake Madison when we could have Homer and Lisa actually interact? Oh right, they couldn't write a realistic change-of-mind for Homer. The gravy boat stuff is kind of funny, but I've no idea if Americans normally have gravy boats, and American gravy is weird and wrong.

BTW, Nugent also featured in otherwise-great Judd Apatow sitcom Undeclared 20 years ago (fuck, 20 years!) and felt a bit problematic then (it was self-consciously naughty), but in 2012 very bad, and now one step from a Jeffrey Epstein cameo.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Bad Ambassador on July 08, 2021, 10:32:21 AM
Quote from: dissolute ocelot on July 08, 2021, 10:20:12 AM
Maybe a skilled writer could craft a story where a good-natured simpleton becomes a political icon

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0078841/reference
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Blumf on July 08, 2021, 02:38:21 PM
Quote from: dissolute ocelot on July 08, 2021, 10:20:12 AM
It suffers from not actually feeling like Homer or the Simpsons. Homer used to be laid back but now he's getting into rages?

Well, we did have 'Angry Dad' in the S13E18 (zombie) episode I Am Furious (Yellow) (https://simpsons.fandom.com/wiki/I_Am_Furious_(Yellow)), plus lots of "Why you little!" strangulation attacks. So it's not completely out of character, but shit writing has a way of making it all fall apart regardless.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: petril on July 09, 2021, 09:45:41 AM
Quote from: dissolute ocelot on July 08, 2021, 10:20:12 AM
This episode is a reasonably neat parody of out-of-date stuff in America from a few years before it was aired: Glenn Beck whom it parodies was at his peak 2008-09 initially on CNN then Fox, and left Fox in 2011; this aired in 2012; it would have been much more daring (and timely) to parody Beck before he left Fox.

and South Park had done that better much closer to the time, more specifically with Cartman as Glenn Beck. there's no way something as safe as The Simpsons would get near to satirising that effectively.

that episode sounds more like the Family Guy Grinds My Gears episode than anything.

they've fallen a long way from Simpsons Already Did It.

I suppose all that's left is for The Simpsons to replace the Waltons in the public perception
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: ajsmith2 on July 09, 2021, 10:14:10 AM
Quote from: JamesTC on July 07, 2021, 11:56:27 PM


2/10 - Ted Nugent played himself. Before this episode aired he described anal sex between men as offensive to him. He said Obama should suck on his machine gun and referred to him as a communist. He called Dianne Feinstein a "worthless whore". He said a feminist was a fat pig that didn't get enough. He called foreigners assholes and scum. Still okay to appear on The Simpsons in 2012. I would hope cunts like this wouldn't ever be anywhere near the show these days. No matter how bad the show gets, I at least want it to keep a little fucking dignity. There is so little left.

Also always worth remembering that Ted Nugent intentionally shat his own pants to get out of Vietnam.

'I ceased cleansing my body. No more brushing my teeth, no more washing my hair, no baths, no soap, no water. Thirty days of debris build. I stopped shavin' and I was 18, had a little scraggly beard, really looked like a hippie. I had long hair, and it started gettin' kinky, matted up. Then two weeks before, I stopped eating any food with nutritional value. I just had chips, Pepsi, beer-stuff I never touched-buttered poop, little jars of Polish sausages, and I'd drink the syrup, I was this side of death, Then a week before, I stopped going to the bathroom. I did it in my pants. poop, piss the whole shot. My pants got crusted up.'

https://groovyhistory.com/ted-nugent-draft-dodger-vietnam

Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on July 09, 2021, 10:30:39 AM
A real american hero
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: amateur on July 09, 2021, 11:34:44 AM
Never mind cat scratch fever, he's lucky he didn't catch dysentery!
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: dissolute ocelot on July 09, 2021, 01:18:51 PM
Wow, was he too homophobic to just pretend to be gay for a few hours?
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: McChesney Duntz on July 09, 2021, 03:48:36 PM
Yes.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: purlieu on July 09, 2021, 04:17:45 PM
Should have got himself arrested for littering.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on July 09, 2021, 04:36:44 PM
bet he's pro war now though
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: samadriel on July 10, 2021, 09:32:17 AM
Quote from: dissolute ocelot on July 08, 2021, 10:20:12 AM
BTW, Nugent also featured in otherwise-great Judd Apatow sitcom Undeclared 20 years ago (fuck, 20 years!) and felt a bit problematic then (it was self-consciously naughty), but in 2012 very bad, and now one step from a Jeffrey Epstein cameo.

God, that one was bizarre, they had Nugent appearing as a guest lecturer at the kid's college; what, was an actual professor's bowel movement not available?  I could only conclude that Apatow was an absolutely rabid Ted Nugent fan.  I recall there being two different versions of that episode though; one had Nugent and the other didn't, but I can't remember which version was broadcast. Undeclared was an okay show, not as good as Freaks and Geeks though.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on July 16, 2021, 09:02:02 PM
Season 23 - Episode 11 - The D'oh-cial Network

Remember when they used "annoyed grunt" instead of D'oh when it was written down in the title? I really liked that.

Lisa is on trial for some reason. Lisa tells her side of the story. The family are driving to a new mall and then arrive in a car park. Another person thinks they are leaving so Marge says she will wave them on but Homer tells the family to pretend they are buckling up to leave. Lenny is addicted to having tea parties with dollies. Marge throws away old gift cards for businesses that have gone bankrupt and this leads to an extended in memoriam sequence with shitty puns on names of businesses. I laughed so hard that I shit my pants when it said Cropduster Video.

Bart oils himself and slides around the place. Lisa goes to the Blocko store. Lisa sees Sherri and Terri and tries to be nice but they are arseholes to her and that makes Lisa worried she is a loser with no friends. Homer buys a Mapple. Homer makes a joke about watching a Sofia Coppola movie which is such a Homer thing to do. Lisa is sad about having no friends. Homer downloads the complete works of Shakespeare and then instantly drops it in the Recycle Bin. Lisa uses Homer's Mapple to go on a social network which is the plot of the episode unfortunately.

Lisa makes various dumb posts to be popular such as "do you like ice cream" or "it was great when del boy fell through the bar". Cut back to the courtroom and Brandine smokes a crack pipe. Lisa enlists the help of school nerds to help her get more friends by developing a new social network called Springface. Everybody joins. Patty and Selma are catfishing people. The town are now addicted to Springface. Homer runs over Moleman because he isn't watching the road. The entire town is now on fire and all the cars have crashed because people are looking at their phones. Cut back to court and it is revealed that there have been 35 deaths. Lisa agrees to shut the site down. Some kids come over and ask Lisa to play.

Patty and Selma are competing at the London 2020 Olympics in a rowing race for some reason and they are beating the Wilklevoss twins. The episode now ends with a short story for some reason. It is just a poem about Bart in the style of Edward Gorey. I'm sure somebody familiar with his work would have gotten something out of it.

2/10 for some reason.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on July 16, 2021, 09:23:50 PM
Blocko and Mapple, fuck me backwards

come up with a Springfield version or just say "bricks" and "smartphone"

at least on Futurama the Eye-phone literally went in your eye and was made by Mom-Corp

and the Twitter knock-off, Twitcher, at least set up a "why, here's a Twit now!" joke
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JaDanketies on July 16, 2021, 09:37:44 PM
How in-depth was Duff and Laramy Cigarette lore back in the classic days, eh? And now it's a straight duplicate of the real world, not even satire.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on July 16, 2021, 10:22:16 PM
Quote from: JaDanketies on July 16, 2021, 09:37:44 PM
How in-depth was Duff and Laramy Cigarette lore back in the classic days, eh? And now it's a straight duplicate of the real world, not even satire.
It doesn't even have to be that. I'm thinking of "Krusty Partially Gelatinated Non-Dairy Gum-based Beverages". Now they'd call them "Shooks". "Blocko" should be something like "Child-Friendly Bite-Size Building Blocks". "Mapple" should be something like "Luxurio" or "Trendie", any name that reflects the fact that Apple products cost a fortune and that Apple itself is a Brand that carries certain status. Nah nah Simpsons "writers", just tack on an extra letter or call it what it is except with a different letter, that'll fucking do.

At least when Family Guy do a lazy knock-off of an existing product they lampshade it by breaking the fourth wall. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Och3phVvAVc)
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on July 16, 2021, 10:25:11 PM
I think you need to release some of that tension with a nice bracing workout with the Funtendo Zii.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Pink Gregory on July 16, 2021, 10:45:23 PM
At least 'Sorny' is funny.  The later ones just sound strained.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on July 16, 2021, 10:57:09 PM
Quote from: Pink Gregory on July 16, 2021, 10:45:23 PM
At least 'Sorny' is funny.  The later ones just sound strained.
And the whole joke of Magnetbox and Sorny is that they're knockoffs being used as unwinnable prizes in a rigged carnival game.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on July 16, 2021, 11:08:37 PM
Laramie was a real brand of cigarettes. Duff is just Bud, I guess. It sounds like it without directly referencing it. all this farcebook/twooter/oonstagroom makes me very cross how shitty it is

Watched some of an episode from 2016 where the Simpsons visit Boston. has the rhythm of a c.2000 episode but um, no jokes. at all. and homer is a constantly angry vindictive asshole who you just fucking hate
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Blumf on July 17, 2021, 10:23:57 AM
Laramie is such a brilliant name. You have the fact that it was a real brand, then you also have the masculine western links (echoing the Marlboro Man) with the The Man from Laramie (1955), but on top of it all, the way it sounds like a laryngitis style throat cancer.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Blumf on July 17, 2021, 05:21:52 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/8PNXFHVG/t5mh0dlqhob71.jpg)
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on July 20, 2021, 09:50:10 PM
Season 23 - Episode 12 - Moe Goes from Rags to Riches

There is a town meeting at Moe's while City Hall is fumigated. The meeting ends and the town does a dance. Mexican Duff Man is there. Moe doesn't have a best friend. Everybody makes fun of him and says his rag is his best friend. Bart annoys Milhouse and he says they aren't friends anymore. The rag has a spotlight fall on it and it starts talking (played by Jeremy Irons). The Jeremy Irons voiced rag starts telling a story which is the plot of the episode.

I realise it is one of them anthology episodes and pause to say "oh fuck off". We jump to Medieval France and Marge some Peasant Woman is weaving and Homer her peasant husband leaves to fight in Flanders. Burns The Duke of Springfield asks Marge to weave a tapestry. Burns kills a load of sheep which creates demon wool. 25 years later she finishes the tapestry but it depicts all of the adventures that the tapestry will face over the coming centuries. The rag at the bar reveals that the tapestry was him and then a talking sponge doubts him.

Burns kills the family despite liking the tapestry. On the way home he falls off a cliff with the tapestry and is accidentally hanged. The tapestry is then stolen and damaged by Vikings. Bart goes to Milhouse's house to apologise but he can't do it. The tapestry is now in Persia where it is sold to some King played by Nelson for some reason. Lisa tells 1001 stories so she can release Nelson's old wives who are in a pit. The tapestry isn't really involved. The tapestry is then moved to France again where it is used to blindfold somebody being decapitated. Next the tapestry is used by Michelangelo to paint the Sistine Chapel. Back at the bar, Lenny suggests Moe buy a new rag but Moe says he never will.

Bart breaks into Milhouse's house desperate for forgiveness. Bart reads a statement written by Lisa but Milhouse sees right through it and says he wants Bart to speak for himself. The tapestry is turned into a Confederate flab before being turned into soup. The tapestry is now used in an expedition to climb Everest where it is left. A yeti finds it and gives it to his son who is Moe. Moe is a yeti. The rag is stolen from Moe's sleeping hands. Bart asks Milhouse if there is anything he can do for him so Milhouse has Drederick Tatum punch him. That's the end of that plot.

Moe is desperately looking for his rag. The rag is being dried in a tumble dryer. The rag is then revealed to be with the Simpson family. Marge folds the rag with some clothes. The rag has a chat with some underwear. Moe arrives at the Simpson house and sees the rag. Marge reveals that during the town meeting she forgot her purse so returned to the bar to pick it up when she saw Moe with the rag so decided to clean it for him. Moe says the rag is his only friend but Marge says everybody in the house is his friend. Moe decides to throw the rag away and Santa's Little Helper takes it to his doggy house and cuddles with it.

2/10 - Moe is a yeti.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on July 20, 2021, 10:23:23 PM
Season 23 - Episode 13 - The Daughter Also Rises

It is Valentine's Day. Bart and Milhouse watch Mythcrackers but Marge turns the TV off so Bart and Milhouse watch it on a laptop, then a smartphone and then on a screen in a petrol station. Bart and Milhouse decide to become myth crackers. Marge gives Homer the Valentine's Day gift of being able to have a guy's night out with Bart so they go to the baseball cage and fire baseballs at each other. Marge takes Lisa for a meal. Lisa sees a boy called Nick there reading a book and they have a chat over some dessert. He reminds her of Hemingway.

Bart and Milhouse crack a myth at school. Lisa is on a date with Nick. Otto is disappointed that the needle store isn't what he thinks it is. Lisa is late to make a quilt at the needle store with Marge. Bart and Milhouse crack a myth about going round the swing by using fireworks. Lisa and Nick go on a date and do some stuff which is too boring to list unless you really want to hear about the running of the bullies. Nick comes around for dinner. Marge tells Lisa that she shouldn't see Nick as much. Lisa speaks to Grandpa about it and he says their story is like Pyramus and Thisbe (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramus_and_Thisbe).

Bart and Milhouse crack the last myth at the school and the kids are disappointed that now school is just all they see. Groundskeeper Willie is acting like a dog for some reason so Bart has the kids assemble to see him be a werewolf which apparently fixes proceedings. Groundskeeper Willie reveals he is from Kirkwall. Why have you re-written Groundskeeper Willie's backstory? He is from North Kilttown and will always be from North Kilttown.

Grandpa steals the retirement home bus to take Nick and Lisa to see the sunset so they can share a moment of eternal love. Cletus reveals he doesn't approve of outbreeding. The family drive after Lisa and Nick. Lisa and Nick have paddled on a boat to an island but clearly Lisa is liking Nick less and less due to his aversion to the adventure. Lisa goes to kiss Nick but has a vision of Hemingway's first two wives who reveals tortured writers are bad husbands. Lisa stops the kiss. Marge arrives and watched the sunset with Lisa. Homer does a funny.

2/10 - This episode is actually -1 in the great jokes tally as it tried to take away the North Kilttown joke from an earlier season.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: samadriel on July 21, 2021, 12:51:56 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on July 20, 2021, 10:23:23 PMOtto is disappointed that the needle store isn't what he thinks it is.
What does he think it is?

Quote2/10 - This episode is actually -1 in the great jokes tally as it tried to take away the North Kilttown joke from an earlier season.

It was always a pretty shitful joke, mind.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Catalogue Trousers on July 21, 2021, 03:00:46 PM
QuoteWhat does he think it is?

Presumably a hypodermic needle store. Because Otto is all about THE DRUGZZZZZZ and nothing else in Zombie Simpsons. (Basically, it's a less funny version of the Pot Emporium gag.)
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Pink Gregory on July 21, 2021, 03:14:26 PM
But Otto's a stoner, not a hardcore intravenous drug user.  That's just unpleasant.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on July 21, 2021, 03:18:13 PM
but that's how jokes in the Simpsons work now.

Something related to homosexuality: haha here is Smithers!
Something related to Christianity: haha here is Ned Flanders!
Something related to be incorrigibly ugly and suicidal: haha here is Moe!
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on July 21, 2021, 03:23:05 PM
Quote from: samadriel on July 21, 2021, 12:51:56 PM


It was always a pretty shitful joke, mind.

How dare you besmirch the good name of North Kilttown.

Ahh come on, it is the ol' classic person lies so badly but accidentally makes up something real. Followed by Homer insisting that it is Willie who isn't from North Kilttown. Season 23 wishes it could have a joke this good. Instead they make Willie a werewolf and Moe a yeti.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: dissolute ocelot on July 21, 2021, 11:16:27 PM
Season 23 - Episode 12 - Moe Goes from Rags to Riches is one of the most painful half-hours of TV comedy in existence, by turns cruel, pathetic, gruesome, and dreary.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on July 22, 2021, 12:01:41 AM
and still it kept going for nine more seasons.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Andy147 on July 22, 2021, 12:18:09 AM
Quote from: Pink Gregory on July 21, 2021, 03:14:26 PM
But Otto's a stoner, not a hardcore intravenous drug user.  That's just unpleasant.

It's also repeating the joke from "A Milhouse Divided" where Otto complains that "Stoner's Pot Palace" is "flagrant false advertising".

(And there's a line in "It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad Marge" that "Otto doesn't do any needle drugs").
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Blumf on July 22, 2021, 01:37:41 AM
Doesn't Otto say him mum checks between his toes at some point? May be misremembering.

EDIT: Here it is, his mum checks his arm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4UkjEA42E8

S15E15 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Co-Dependents%27_Day
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on July 22, 2021, 10:08:05 PM
Season 23 - Episode 14 - At Long Last Leave

This is the 500th episode of The Simpsons. Sure to be a good one, then.

The couch gag is a montage of every couch gag ever. Rather nice. Ends abruptly with Homer strangling Bart for some reason which undercuts it.

Springfield is having an apocalypse drill. The family need to stay in the bomb shelter in the backyard, which I guess has always been there but I have just never noticed. Bart has eaten all the powdered food. Lisa suggests leaving to see the town empty and the family agrees. The family drive past town hall to see it full so they go in and they find the town has voted to get rid of the Simpsons which is the plot of the episode.

Quimby explains that the town is going broke due to Homer's shenanigans, Bart's pranks and Lisa's environmental initiatives. Marge is declared the worst Simpson of all due to making the town sympathetic to the rest. Flanders defends the family so he gets smashed out of town hall with a huge log. Homer is tarred and feathered. On the radio, they are giving away free soda for anybody who murders a Simpson and Homer sees the rest of the family as giant sodas.

The family stumble on an off the grid settlement called The Outlands. We now see a parody of the opening titles except it is called The Outlands. Maggie has a fight to the death. Julian Assange is there and suggests they watch an Afghan wedding being bombed. Marge is sad and missing the town. Homer decides him and Marge should sneak back into Springfield dressed as Burns and Smithers. Chief Wiggum doesn't notice. Homer and Marge get drunk and go bowling when it is closed. They visit the old home to have sex but the three bullies arrive and say they will turn them in but then the whole town is outside anyway and Chief Wiggum says he saw right through the disguise. Reverend Lovejoy suggests the town crucify Homer and Marge. Gil suggests shooting them so the police go to. Marge and Homer calls them jerks so they all stop being jerks.

The town like the sounds of this new community that the Simpson family have found so they all gradually arrive. Eventually the entire town moves to The Outlands and it is indistinguishable from the main town. Skinner is left in the ghost town. The following caption comes on the screen:

Thanks for 500 shows.
All we ask is that you go out
and get some fresh air
before logging onto the internet
and saying how much this sucked.

I've been for a run today so got all the fresh air I need. Fuck you rubbish episode of The Simpsons.

2/10 - Remember the last time the entire town moved at the end of a landmark episode? That was so popular then that they just had to repeat it in another.

EDIT: Didn't realise there was more after the first few credits. Bart helicopters in to bring Skinner to The Outlands.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Mr Trumpet on July 22, 2021, 11:12:05 PM
That sounds like a hallucination. The sort of plot you'd dream about if you'd spent all day watching The Simpsons.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on July 22, 2021, 11:31:45 PM
Funny you should say that, they had a competition before the 500th aired. Fans needed to watch as many episodes in a row as possible and the fan who lasted the longest won a cash prize. Two fans were awarded $10,500 each for lasting until the Season 11 episode Faith Off. Over three whole days of watching The Simpsons.

Sadly, people who watch At Long Last Leave are not financially compensated.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c4/Simpsons_500th_Episode_Marathon_-_the_ultimate_fans.jpg/1280px-Simpsons_500th_Episode_Marathon_-_the_ultimate_fans.jpg)
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Catalogue Trousers on July 23, 2021, 01:16:08 AM
This is where questions start being asked. As this is clearly some form of endurance contest, were any concessions made to the competitors' well-being and basic human dignity? Were they allowed toilet breaks? The simple opportunity to go for a walk outside for 15 minutes or so to keep their circulation going? I'm guessing that anyone caught even closing their eyes for more than, say, 30 seconds was automatically disqualified.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: chveik on July 23, 2021, 01:19:25 AM
pissing and shitting on yourself can't be less dignified than what the simpsons' writers have been doing for the last twenty years!!
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on July 23, 2021, 01:53:59 AM
please gas this yellow tent of cunts
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Master Cylinder on July 23, 2021, 02:35:40 AM
Only being able to last until Season 11. Just like the rest of us.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: ajsmith2 on July 23, 2021, 07:41:27 AM
No one could bear to see Maude die.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: mippy on July 23, 2021, 09:39:42 AM
Woman in the blue shirt is what I imagine JamesTC looks like when writing these reviews.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on July 23, 2021, 09:52:13 AM
Very few of them actually seem to be enjoying the experience. And they are watching the good seasons.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: ajsmith2 on July 23, 2021, 10:02:28 AM
Quote from: JamesTC on July 23, 2021, 09:52:13 AM
Very few of them actually seem to be enjoying the experience. And they are watching the good seasons.

I mean, even all the good episodes in a row without proper rest would drive you insane. I've sometimes (as an alternative to suicide in the event my life ever turned to complete shit ) fantasised about the possibility of watching every episode in order, but I always envisaged being at home on my own with a plentiful supply of booze and snacks and sleep and toilet breaks whenever I wanted, not in a public place surrounded by the stank of others. I think the public element would what would make it truly torturous: in my own curated comfort zone I reckon I could just about make it work.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: retsuza on July 23, 2021, 11:00:26 AM
As someone who really dislikes the Simpsons Movie, that 500th episode sounds like an even worse Simpsons Movie. Reads like they went to the waste paper basket from the movie plot brainstorming and picked the first crumpled discard they could find that was at least semi-coherent.

I remember watching the 300th episode, which Sky One hyped up as a big deal. It was just some crap about Bart leaving the family and then there's Tony Hawk I guess. I must have fallen off before the 400th because google tells me its about Brockman coming to live with the family Apu style which I have zero recollection of.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on July 23, 2021, 11:18:33 AM
At least the movie had a relatively competent structure.

If you start a story with the town randomly deciding to get rid of the family, something badly has gone wrong in the writing. Anybody vaguely familiar with The Simpsons would be able to see that something needs to initiate that plot point. How fucking hard would it have been to have Homer and Bart do a disaster of some sort to give the town justification? Instead we have Kent Brockman fucking around on the news and the family going to a bomb shelter.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: retsuza on July 23, 2021, 11:52:22 AM
There was quite a long period with the opposite problem where the main plot of the episode would be reached through a series of convoluted subplots. Always made me think they had severly unfinished scripts that they just frankensteined together instead of fleshing them out.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on July 23, 2021, 01:11:46 PM
Quote from: Catalogue Trousers on July 23, 2021, 01:16:08 AM
This is where questions start being asked. As this is clearly some form of endurance contest, were any concessions made to the competitors' well-being and basic human dignity? Were they allowed toilet breaks? The simple opportunity to go for a walk outside for 15 minutes or so to keep their circulation going? I'm guessing that anyone caught even closing their eyes for more than, say, 30 seconds was automatically disqualified.
for anyone else intrigued, although I can't get a wayback of the original site from early 2012, this sums up all the practicalities. They provided food and drink and there was a 10 minute break every two hours.

http://beyondthemarquee.com/4123
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on July 23, 2021, 01:52:44 PM
I'm not going to post his YouTube because he does not deserve the views, but this one cunt is claiming that 1989-1994 are the "weird years" for The Simpsons and claims that it was "hipster millennial types who stopped watching the show" who "proceeded to spend the next two decades telling anybody within ear shot that the show coincidentally 'got bad' the exact moment [they] stopped caring about it".

I fucking hate him. He is worse than Hitler and Stalin combined. Over half a million views for him to claim people who say the new shit episodes aren't shit but people say they are without watching. Yeah mate, good argument you have there. FUCKING HELL this cunt. I hate him. He was probably in that fucking tent but withdrew early on because they played all the "weird episodes". "Play the episode where Marge rapes Homer" he shouts from the crowd but unfortunately he has to sit through Mr Plow instead. Bet this cunt watches the first 19 seasons in widescreen and says it is better because it fills the screen. FUCK OFF.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Old Nehamkin on July 23, 2021, 01:58:10 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on July 23, 2021, 01:52:44 PM
I'm not going to post his YouTube because he does not deserve the views, but this one cunt is claiming that 1989-1994 are the "weird years" for The Simpsons and claims that it was "hipster millennial types who stopped watching the show" who "proceeded to spend the next two decades telling anybody within ear shot that the show coincidentally 'got bad' the exact moment [they] stopped caring about it".

I saw that thumbnail/title the other day and it made me feel insane.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: madhair60 on July 23, 2021, 02:00:53 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on July 23, 2021, 01:52:44 PMthe show coincidentally 'got bad' the exact moment [they] stopped caring about it".

does this cunt understand nothing?
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on July 23, 2021, 02:09:15 PM
QuoteJ.J. was born in what he calls a "comfortable" middle class family, but says it could've also been upper middle class. His mother was a high school teacher and his father was a bureaucrat for the Canadian government. They had children, one of them being J. J.'s sister. In his childhood he lived in a suburban house in Vancouver with four bedrooms and three bathrooms.

He is broadly conservative, and he does not like Justin Trudeau's current term and likes Stephen Harper. He does not like the Canadian Green Party and thinks it is just something the media propped up, but he thinks that Elizabeth May is very charismatic and attracts a lot of people, despite him disliking her.
sounds like a proper cunt to me.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Wonderful Butternut on July 23, 2021, 04:44:41 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on July 22, 2021, 10:08:05 PM
Thanks for 500 shows.
All we ask is that you go out
and get some fresh air
before logging onto the internet
and saying how much this sucked.

I almost admire the admission here:

"HURR! We don't care if it's shit. You're just meat with money."
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on July 23, 2021, 08:29:44 PM
Quote from: Wonderful Butternut on July 23, 2021, 04:44:41 PM
I almost admire the admission here:

"HURR! We don't care if it's shit. You're just meat with money."
but sure they've come out since and gone LOL IT'S JUST A CARTOON YOU STUPID FUCKERS, HOMER WAS A TEENAGER IN THE 90s NOW, WHO CARES

it brings to mind the literal shitty movie trailers in the South Park episode "You're Getting Old".
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on July 23, 2021, 09:10:43 PM
South Park has a sliding timeline but as far I'm aware hasn't been openly contemptuous towards its fans ever? well it probably has as a joke. but Al Jean especially seems to have incredibly thin skin
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on July 23, 2021, 09:57:50 PM
Quote from: idunnosomename on July 23, 2021, 09:10:43 PM
South Park has a sliding timeline but as far I'm aware hasn't been openly contemptuous towards its fans ever? well it probably has as a joke. but Al Jean especially seems to have incredibly thin skin
The difference is that South Park never did flashback episodes that revolve around the love that the characters have for each other. Homer's a teenager in the 90s now, that means the episode where Homer and Marge met in high school and fell in love never actually happened. It means Homer's mother Mona couldn't have abandoned him to join a hippie underground because now she left him some time in the 80s. Grandpa couldn't have served in World War II unless he was in his 60s when Homer was conceived, making him almost 100 now, so that's the Flying Hellfish episode out the window. It's like Principal Tamzarian only worse.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Thursday on July 23, 2021, 10:02:51 PM
To be honest I don't particularly care about this stuff, I'd basically be fine with them rewriting backstory as time goes on if they were able to be funny with it, but they aren't.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: g0m on July 23, 2021, 10:03:42 PM
Quote from: idunnosomename on July 23, 2021, 02:09:15 PM
sounds like a proper cunt to me.

oh fuck, it was jj mccullough? he used to be an honest to god conservative political cartoonist, drawing right wing comics about american politics [even though he's canadian]
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on July 23, 2021, 10:15:07 PM
Right-wingers would be ashamed to be associated with him. He is that much of a cunt. Careful mate, we like socio-economic policies which increase the likelihood of homelessness and poverty but calling the first 5 years of The Simpsons "the weird years" is just embarrassing.

I bet baby Hitler likes Season 27 of The Simpsons. CUNT.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on July 23, 2021, 11:08:05 PM
Season 23 - Episode 15 - Exit Through the Kwik-E-Mart

Lisa reminds Homer that it is Marge's birthday the following day but he says he has already bought her a present and he has put some thought into it. It is a food masher thing. And to add to this he is getting it autographed by the lady on the box who is called Paula Paul. Homer, Lisa and Bart go to this new store to get the food masher signed. Homer states they will use this new store instead of the Kwik-E-Mart but Apu overhears them and is offended. Eventually Apu attacks Homer with a miniature plastic sword from a sample tray of cheese. Homer gets the food thing signed and Paula Paul suggests she call Marge up on her show to wish her a happy birthday.

Marge is opening up her presents. Lisa had gotten Marge an apron. Bart gets Marge a big cute bunny which I would love to join the family because they are my second favourite animal behind Greyhounds. Homer stops Marge from opening his present to her as he needs to wait for the phone call. They wait for two hours but there is no call. Homer gets mad but Marge is happy that Homer remembered he liked Paula Paul and gives him a pitty kiss. Homer goes to phone Paula Paul but realises the phone is dead. The bunny has chewed through the phone wire. Paula Paul has left voicemails in which she gets angrier and angrier. The audience on the show are booing Marge. Marge goes to bed dejected with the bunny. Homer forces Bart to get in the rabbit's cage as punishment. Homer returns apologetic, but Bart refuses to leave the cage.

We are nine minutes into the episode and I still don't know what the plot is. Bart is in the treehouse with Milhouse and is cutting a stencil of Homer with "DOPE" written underneath it. Bart stencils it all over town to get revenge on Homer which is the plot of the episode, I suppose. On the news, the graffiti all over town is dubbed Mr Fatso. Wiggum goads the graffiti artist to strike again. At the store from the start of the episode we see Snake working there and he seems to have moved away from a life of crime. Apu comes in and robs Snake at gunpoint, but Snake defuses the situation and takes the gun away. Some joke about Snake doing a book report for Ralph.

Bart does loads of graffiti all over town but they are chased by street artists who are apparently well known. They want to show Bart's art at an exhibition. Apu is closing the Kwik-E-Mart when Manjula turns up and explains the other shop is closing because they sold monkey as chicken. Homer is taking the bunny and Santa's Little Helper for a walk. Homer still doesn't realise that Mr Fatso is him. Milhouse aarrives and Homer realises he is Mr Fatso. Homer wakes Bart up by strangling him but then gives up dejected. The rest of the family are at the exhibition but Homer won't leave the car. Bart paints "I'm Sorry" on the car and tells Homer it is now worth more which makes things better. At the exhibition, Wiggum and the police arrest Bart. One of the street artists was an undercover cop. Marge objects to them arresting Bart but Wiggum says they need to punish him so Homer gets the rabbit cage. Bart is in the rabbit cage and signing the leaflets to the exhibition for everybody.

3/10 - There was an idea in there somewhere that could have worked. The Apu subplot is fucking nothing. I liked the rabbit which we will never see again.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Catalogue Trousers on July 24, 2021, 12:59:18 AM
From the title onwards, it's basically just about mindlessly sucking Banksy's dick, surely?
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on July 24, 2021, 01:37:55 AM
Quote from: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on July 23, 2021, 09:57:50 PM
The difference is that South Park never did flashback episodes that revolve around the love that the characters have for each other. Homer's a teenager in the 90s now, that means the episode where Homer and Marge met in high school and fell in love never actually happened. It means Homer's mother Mona couldn't have abandoned him to join a hippie underground because now she left him some time in the 80s. Grandpa couldn't have served in World War II unless he was in his 60s when Homer was conceived, making him almost 100 now, so that's the Flying Hellfish episode out the window. It's like Principal Tamzarian only worse.
oh i know. it sucks.

south park is of course a lot more meta and can get away it, and they upgraded the kids to 4th grade... twenty years ago.
being 'nam vets, Jimbo and Ned should be at least in their 70s now. but they just concentrated on other things rather than fucking with established story. because it's not interesting or funny to do so
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Master Cylinder on July 24, 2021, 05:13:04 AM
Quote from: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on July 23, 2021, 09:57:50 PM
, making him almost 100 now, so that's the Flying Hellfish episode out the window.

A few episodes after the "Homer's a teen in the '90s", they did a random reference to Grampa being in the Flying Hellfish
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on July 24, 2021, 05:20:22 AM
Homer could have been no older than 19 when he met George Harrison because he died in 2001.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on July 24, 2021, 10:21:49 AM
I know The Simpsons is in the unique position of having been on the air for thirty years, and there are plenty of other animated shows where there's a floating timeline and the characters are the same age for literal years in real world time (I think only BoJack Horseman keeps up with "real world time", with the first season taking places in 2014 and the show's final episode taking place in 2021ish). But you can't build up this lore which relies on heartwarming, emotional touchstones of episodes that fans are expected to buy into, and then go AH FUCKIT WE'RE OUT OF IDEAS LET'S FUCK THE TIMELINE BACKWARDS THROUGH A HEDGE. It's not quite Family Guy coming up with a shitty excuse for Meg to be the family punching bag but it's almost there. But we should've seen this coming shouldn't we, all the way back with the magical jockey episode they were already pissing all over the audience via Comic Book Guy ("Does anybody care what this guy thinks?" "NO!")

When American Dad! did something similar - an episode where Stan revealed that he would never have a dog in the house due to childhood trauma, despite two earlier episodes where Stan did adopt dogs - they lampshaded it by having Stan deny it ever happened: "Those were obviously dreams, Francine. I refuse to discuss your dreams in the daytime." Stan denies reality, rather than mocking the fans.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Andy147 on July 24, 2021, 11:19:08 AM
Quote from: JamesTC on July 24, 2021, 05:20:22 AM
Homer could have been no older than 19 when he met George Harrison because he died in 2001.

That makes him about -2 when he gave away the ending of Empire Strikes Back (on the night that he got Marge pregnant... 6 years after they started dating).
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Ron Maels Moustache on July 24, 2021, 11:25:34 AM
Quote from: JamesTC on July 22, 2021, 10:08:05 PM
Season 23 - Episode 14 - At Long Last Leave

This is the 500th episode of The Simpsons. Sure to be a good one, then.

The couch gag is a montage of every couch gag ever. Rather nice. Ends abruptly with Homer strangling Bart for some reason which undercuts it.

Springfield is having an apocalypse drill. The family need to stay in the bomb shelter in the backyard, which I guess has always been there but I have just never noticed. Bart has eaten all the powdered food. Lisa suggests leaving to see the town empty and the family agrees. The family drive past town hall to see it full so they go in and they find the town has voted to get rid of the Simpsons which is the plot of the episode.

Quimby explains that the town is going broke due to Homer's shenanigans, Bart's pranks and Lisa's environmental initiatives. Marge is declared the worst Simpson of all due to making the town sympathetic to the rest. Flanders defends the family so he gets smashed out of town hall with a huge log. Homer is tarred and feathered. On the radio, they are giving away free soda for anybody who murders a Simpson and Homer sees the rest of the family as giant sodas.

The family stumble on an off the grid settlement called The Outlands. We now see a parody of the opening titles except it is called The Outlands. Maggie has a fight to the death. Julian Assange is there and suggests they watch an Afghan wedding being bombed. Marge is sad and missing the town. Homer decides him and Marge should sneak back into Springfield dressed as Burns and Smithers. Chief Wiggum doesn't notice. Homer and Marge get drunk and go bowling when it is closed. They visit the old home to have sex but the three bullies arrive and say they will turn them in but then the whole town is outside anyway and Chief Wiggum says he saw right through the disguise. Reverend Lovejoy suggests the town crucify Homer and Marge. Gil suggests shooting them so the police go to. Marge and Homer calls them jerks so they all stop being jerks.

The town like the sounds of this new community that the Simpson family have found so they all gradually arrive. Eventually the entire town moves to The Outlands and it is indistinguishable from the main town. Skinner is left in the ghost town. The following caption comes on the screen:

Thanks for 500 shows.
All we ask is that you go out
and get some fresh air
before logging onto the internet
and saying how much this sucked.


Fuck me. Imagine being that smug and complacent as you preside over the endless death march of what was once considered the greatest comedy series of all time.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on July 24, 2021, 11:34:42 AM
"Logging onto the internet"
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: bigfatheart on July 24, 2021, 12:28:54 PM
It's mentioned on one of the commentaries that Comic Book Guy's 'worst episode ever' line in the Poochie episode came from a scathing review of 'Itchy & Scratchy: The Movie' on an early fan site (SNPP maybe?), and it's immediately obvious that


  • They can't (or maybe disingenuously won't) distinguish between one fan who didn't like an episode and their entire fanbase.
  • They think that, because one person didn't like a classic episode, that means that any time somebody doesn't like an episode it must be a classic.

But hey, what do I know - if anything, I owe them.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on July 24, 2021, 02:23:36 PM
that SNPP was just collecting was what said on USENET. and look at some classic episodes from the mid-90s and some people are really judgemental cunts about "OFF".

But that was when the internet was just populated by obsessive nerds who had enough time on their hands to wait five minutes for every page to load. that they're still pulling the "GET A LIFE INTERNET NERDS" in 2012 is just incredible.

I mean look at this for homer goes to college

QuoteEliot Williams: I found this last episode to be utterly devoid of any
    plot and there were extremely few _funny_ parts.  I normally laugh
    hysterically at least once during an OFF episode, but not this week.
    I sincerely hope the quality of the shows improve else I might have
    to only watch each episode three times.

Chris Corcoran: Don't get me wrong.  I really liked Cape Feare, and the
    B#'s was kind of good in a weird way, but the college episode was
    the worst Simpsons episode I've ever seen.  I've loved every other
    episode, I'm not at all critical when I watch but what happened?
    Are there new writers?  I'm embarrassed.  I've gotten so many people
    into this show, and now I look stupid.

Ron Carter: Yikes!  Really, really bad, and the "true" second show of
    the new season?  *sigh* Highlights were the I&S episode, the
    "Steakie" commercial, and the freeze frames during the end credits,
    in other word, virtually any stuff not having to do with the "plot"
    of Homer in college.  My score for it?  The same score Homer gets on
    his final: F.

Greg Charles: After watching the last three episodes, I have realized
    that the show sucks now.  Oh, it's not easy for me to say that, but
    come on, they're not putting any thought into anymore.  Satire has
    been replaced with sight gags.  The characters are losing their
    individual personalities.  The storylines have become a series of
    non sequiturs.  The whole thing reminds me of the last season of
    Moonlighting, and we all know how ugly that got!  [well, not all of
    us do - ed]
do wonder if the first guy was doing a bit. if bits had been invented in 1993.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: clingfilm portent on July 24, 2021, 02:34:09 PM
I basically agree with all of that.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on July 24, 2021, 02:42:07 PM
QuoteEliot Williams: I found this last episode to be utterly devoid of any
    plot and there were extremely few _funny_ parts.  I normally laugh
    hysterically at least once during an OFF episode, but not this week.
    I sincerely hope the quality of the shows improve else I might have
    to only watch each episode three times.

Chris Corcoran: Don't get me wrong.  I really liked Cape Feare, and the
    B#'s was kind of good in a weird way, but the college episode was
    the worst Simpsons episode I've ever seen.  I've loved every other
    episode, I'm not at all critical when I watch but what happened?
    Are there new writers?  I'm embarrassed.  I've gotten so many people
    into this show, and now I look stupid.

Ron Carter: Yikes!  Really, really bad, and the "true" second show of
    the new season?  *sigh* Highlights were the I&S episode, the
    "Steakie" commercial, and the freeze frames during the end credits,
    in other word, virtually any stuff not having to do with the "plot"
    of Homer in college.  My score for it?  The same score Homer gets on
    his final: F.

Greg Charles: After watching the last three episodes, I have realized
    that the show sucks now.  Oh, it's not easy for me to say that, but
    come on, they're not putting any thought into anymore.  Satire has
    been replaced with sight gags.  The characters are losing their
    individual personalities.  The storylines have become a series of
    non sequiturs.  The whole thing reminds me of the last season of
    Moonlighting, and we all know how ugly that got!  [well, not all of
    us do - ed]

(https://i.imgur.com/OlNrc2o.jpg)
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Mobbd on July 24, 2021, 06:30:14 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on July 22, 2021, 10:08:05 PM
Season 23 - Episode 14 - At Long Last Leave
Quimby explains that the town is going broke due to Homer's shenanigans, Bart's pranks and Lisa's environmental initiatives. Marge is declared the worst Simpson of all due to making the town sympathetic to the rest. Flanders defends the family so he gets smashed out of town hall with a huge log. Homer is tarred and feathered. On the radio, they are giving away free soda for anybody who murders a Simpson and Homer sees the rest of the family as giant sodas.

This sounds very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very bad.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Ferris on July 24, 2021, 06:38:43 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on July 22, 2021, 10:08:05 PM
The family stumble on an off the grid settlement called The Outlands... Maggie has a fight to the death. Julian Assange is there and suggests they watch an Afghan wedding being bombed. Marge is sad and missing the town. Homer decides him and Marge should sneak back into Springfield dressed as Burns and Smithers. Chief Wiggum doesn't notice. Homer and Marge get drunk and go bowling when it is closed. They visit the old home to have sex but the three bullies arrive and (cont'd)

I can never tell how much of this is real and how much is ludicrous spoof filler, perhaps written by that AI text generator thing.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on July 24, 2021, 07:22:18 PM
Quote from: FerriswheelBueller on July 24, 2021, 06:38:43 PM
I can never tell how much of this is real and how much is ludicrous spoof filler, perhaps written by that AI text generator thing.

Likely both.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on July 25, 2021, 12:07:22 AM
Season 23 - Episode 16 - How I Wet Your Mother

Smithers is entering a high-tech supply closet in the plant. He uses a portal gun to lose two guard robots at the entrance. He signs a requisition form for one standard sized paper clip but accidentally knocks an inanimate carbon rod off a shelf and it lodges inside the door leaving it open behind him. Homer, Lenny and Carl find the open supply closet and everybody at the plant steals everything from there. Burns finds out as everybody is leaving. Homer manages to get away before Burns can notice him. Lenny is trying to steal the bear from Mr Burns' office and for some reason Burns describes it as his cuddle bear despite the fact that we already had a whole fucking episode two decades ago about his actual cuddle bear.

Burns holds a meeting and gives Homer a day off for not stealing anything. Homer goes fishing with Bart. Homer wakes up the next day and finds he has pissed himself which is the plot of the episode. Homer asks Marge where the washing machine is and the family are surprised he wants to do the washing. Homer talks to his own brain: I thought they stopped doing that. Homer wakes up the next day and he has pissed himself again. He believes he is suffering from Karma for dropping his co-workers in the shit with Burns so he holds a picnic for them all. They all forgive him. The next day he has pissed himself again. Homer buys a urine detection device. The whole family run in when the alarm goes off and they find out he is a bedwetter.

Homer and Marge are being intimate in bed while Homer is wearing an adult nappie. Marge isn't turned on by adult nappies so goes for a walk and is all sad. She walks past Professor Frink's house and he has heard about the bet wetting because it was tweeted by Bart and then retweeted by Krusty. Frink offers to help by using his device to enter dreams. Frink has previously cured Disco Stu of his obsession with disco and he is now Normal Stu. The family enter Homer's dream. Homer is skiing down a mountain and Death is there too. Death is dragging a coffin which says "Marriage" on it. They fall off a cliff when Frink video calls them and lets them know that if they die in the dream, they die in real life. Lisa says the only way to survive is to go into another dream so they go into Bart's dream. Bart's dream is the Tracy Ullman Show era family.

(https://i.imgur.com/6u2x92n.jpg)

Homer sounds like he did back then. They are at a family therapist. The therapist says that in order to solve Homer's problem, they must face what is in the coffin. Bart opens it and fish pours out. They enter Lisa's dream before the room fills with fish. Lisa's dream is boring costume drama stuff so Bart ushers them to another dream. Homer's second dream is the land of his innermost desires.

(https://i.imgur.com/eMwbtMI.jpg)

The place is made up of Duff beer cans, pizza, sandwiches and various other food. The Kwik-E-Mart gives out bacon instead of change. There are lots of Moe's taverns. Bart asks why Flanders is there and then Flanders is ran over by a giant lawnmower and spewed out into pieces and it was rather unexpected in its gruesomeness so I let out a huge laugh.

(https://i.imgur.com/2yA2wgH.jpg)

Homer runs to a rollercoaster called Mr Simpson's Wild Ride which has loads of different versions of Homer from old episodes such as Mr Plow, 300lb Homer, King Kong Homer, Pie Man and Angry Dad while the centre of the ride seems to be Mr Sparkle.

(https://i.imgur.com/zHgTocf.jpg)

In reality, Wiggum bursts into the house and tells Frink to disconnect the family. The dream machine falls down and Homer's dream starts to fall apart. A huge Duff bottle falls over and floods the town carrying them towards a huge hotdog rotation machine outside the Kwik-E-Mart. They clog up the gears with the various Moes from the taverns. Frink and Wiggum fight in reality. Death rescues the family using a jetpack but then takes off the mask and reveals she is Mona, Homer's mother. Homer grows Jennifer Aniston's hair. Mona leads the family to what she thinks is the source of Homer's bed-wetting.

The family go to a cinema and watch an old movie. Homer is a young boy and goes out with Grandpa on a boat to go fishing. Grandpa says to Mona that she doesn't need to go out for something to eat as they will be bringing back lunch. Homer asks Grandpa about him yelling the previous night with Mona but they end up accidentally tipping over the boat. They return without catching any fish. Just a few weeks later, Mona leaves. Homer says he felt guilty for this and then must have made the connection when he took Bart fishing. Mona tells Homer he doesn't need to feel guilty and that when Grandpa returned with Homer being okay from the boat tipping over, she knew he would be in good hands when she left. The family go back through all the dreams and then return to reality. Homer has not wet himself.

Homer: Come on everybody, feel daddy's underpants!

Homer and Marge are in bed. Marge gives Homer a spinning top and says that if they spin it and doesn't stop then they are still in a dream. It doesn't stop so they decide to go bicycling naked. The spinning top then stops and hail starts coming down and Homer is hit by a truck. Credits roll.

6/10 - The first third is typically abject but the rest is really incredibly strong for this era. I really enjoyed that. Probably the best episode since Season 15. I feel like it could have been condensed down and been a sensational Treehouse of Horror segment, but as it stands it is a visually impressive and surprisingly funny entry, albeit not hitting the sentimental note they hoped to with the ending.

I knew Mona returned and I was dreading it after the last appearance, but in the end it is a better closing note for the character*

*I just checked the Simpsons Wiki and she comes back in Season 28 in a big flashback appearance, so this is kind of a null point if that one is awful.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: dissolute ocelot on July 25, 2021, 01:02:36 AM
Quote from: JamesTC on July 23, 2021, 11:08:05 PM
Season 23 - Episode 15 - Exit Through the Kwik-E-Mart

Bart does loads of graffiti all over town but they are chased by street artists who are apparently well known.
This episode is based on the career of Shepard Fairey (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shepard_Fairey) who became famous in 2008, 4 years before the episode aired, for his poster of Barack Obama with the word HOPE on it. He had cult fame in the early 90s for putting up lots of stickers of Andre The Giant's face with the word OBEY below it for no reason other than that it was lolrandom. So he's pretty much patron saint of latter-day Simpsons, as well as inventing the unfunny meme. And the writers are jumbling 2 different Fairey artworks with Banksy's stencilling. There are other "famous" street artists featured but not Banksy who doesn't do a lot of TV. I think I preferred the episode with Homer becoming an outsider artist after building a barbecue or the one with Marge becoming a folk artist with ice lolly "popsicle" sticks. I'm amazed it took that long to do an episode about graffiti.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Catalogue Trousers on July 25, 2021, 02:14:11 AM
Of course, the title is a reference to Banksy's outrageous film Exit Through The Gift Shop.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Master Cylinder on July 25, 2021, 02:27:58 AM
Speaking up fucking up the timeline.

https://ew.com/events/comic-con/the-simpsons-first-all-musical-episode-kristen-bell/?fbclid=IwAR0jELT45274gyUd0OkU-ciS1bBBhtf7dep4Ie39-jYzFrfJTLzQ9GYIPYU

"Marge has amazing memories of being the stage manager of her high school musical, Y2K: The Millennium Bug, and decides to restage it with everyone 20 years later for one last show," Selman tells EW of the plot. "But when her old high school nemesis comes to town, she realizes that her high school memories aren't what she thought they were."

Ooft.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on July 25, 2021, 08:51:12 AM
That whole article is so depressing.

By the time the show ends in 6 or 7 years, I will be the same age as Marge. If they do a flashback episode in one of the last seasons, it will be to the same time as I was in high school. Perverse.

While looking up Marge's age, I ended up down a rabbit hole of in universe deaths on The Simpsons. Surprised to see Krabappel is implied to be dead in Season 25. Can't believe it was 8 years ago that Marcia Wallace passed away. Could have sworn it was only two or three years ago.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: ajsmith2 on July 25, 2021, 09:24:20 AM
Quote from: JamesTC on July 25, 2021, 08:51:12 AM


By the time the show ends in 6 or 7 years

Bit optimistic, no?
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on July 25, 2021, 10:51:23 AM
Quote from: ajsmith2 on July 25, 2021, 09:24:20 AM
Bit optimistic, no?

For some reason, I just have this feeling they will pack it in at Season 40. Hit a big round number then fuck off.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Pink Gregory on July 25, 2021, 11:14:29 AM
One of the major voices would have to either quit or die.  It sounds like Julie Kavner is *really* struggling, but let's be honest they'd probably replace everyone but Castellenata - there are definitely soundalikes waiting in the wings as well
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Thursday on July 25, 2021, 11:16:01 AM
Quote from: JamesTC on July 25, 2021, 10:51:23 AM
For some reason, I just have this feeling they will pack it in at Season 40. Hit a big round number then fuck off.

Had hoped this would happen 20, or at least 30 since people kept going about them beating the previous record set by "Gunsmoke" at 26.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: ajsmith2 on July 25, 2021, 11:24:36 AM
Quote from: JamesTC on July 25, 2021, 10:51:23 AM
For some reason, I just have this feeling they will pack it in at Season 40. Hit a big round number then fuck off.

They used to say that about Season 30 :(
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on July 25, 2021, 11:39:24 AM
Quote from: Pink Gregory on July 25, 2021, 11:14:29 AM
One of the major voices would have to either quit or die.  It sounds like Julie Kavner is *really* struggling, but let's be honest they'd probably replace everyone but Castellenata - there are definitely soundalikes waiting in the wings as well

They replaced Russi Taylor but didn't replace Marcia Wallace. They also recently replaced all non-yellow characters to be voiced by non-white people.

They have laid the groundwork for recasting. But I think the indifference the show receives these days would turn to sustained hatred if they tried to replace any of the core cast.

Quote from: Simpsons WikiSanta's Little Helper has been implied to be bisexual.

Enough Simpsons Wiki for me today.
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: Mobbd on July 25, 2021, 03:57:30 PM
Quote from: dissolute ocelot on July 25, 2021, 01:02:36 AM
This episode is based on the career of Shepard Fairey (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shepard_Fairey) who became famous in 2008, 4 years before the episode aired, for his poster of Barack Obama with the word HOPE on it. He had cult fame in the early 90s for putting up lots of stickers of Andre The Giant's face with the word OBEY below it for no reason other than that it was lolrandom. So he's pretty much patron saint of latter-day Simpsons, as well as inventing the unfunny meme.

What do you mean? How does SF doing the hope poster and the obey stickers make him "patron saint of latter-day Simpsons"?
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: idunnosomename on July 25, 2021, 04:09:14 PM
Quote"When she sings, it comes out beautiful, like Kristen Bell." As you might have noticed, the episode was inspired by the concept of Disney+ reality series Encore, which Bell hosted.

No. Why would I have done. but ugh
Title: Re: The Simpsons: A Journey Through Shit
Post by: JamesTC on July 25, 2021, 09:08:31 PM
I've been reading up some upcoming plots for the next few seasons. Here is a game: below are ten upcoming Simpsons plots in my journey, 7 are real and 3 are made up by me.


  • Homer gets depressed when his Mapple MyPad breaks.
  • Grandpa used to be a famous wrestler.
  • Homer and Marge get into BDSM.
  • Reverend Lovejoy becomes a Hot Tub salesman.
  • Comic Book Guy goes on a diet and Homer is his personal trainer.
  • Monorail sequel.
  • Disco Stu flashback episode.
  • After a fire at the retirement home, Grandpa moves in with the family.
  • After a health violation at the retirement home, Grandpa moves in with