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Title: Does anyone actually think "This Is My Truth Tell Me Yours" is a good album titl
Post by: Johnny Textface on March 13, 2021, 01:06:42 AM
A fresh place to discuss the trials and tribulations of 'Manic Street Preachers". Please answer in the format as follows:

1. What they mean now?
2. What they meant then?
3. What they meant in the 90's?

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Title: Re: Does anyone actually think "This Is My Truth Tell Me Yours" is a good album titl
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on March 13, 2021, 01:30:21 AM
Nye Bevan quote.
Title: Re: Does anyone actually think "This Is My Truth Tell Me Yours" is a good album titl
Post by: Johnny Textface on March 13, 2021, 01:42:45 AM
I'm not familiar with that.
Title: Re: Does anyone actually think "This Is My Truth Tell Me Yours" is a good album titl
Post by: Chriddof on March 13, 2021, 02:10:56 AM
What's the deal with that Wiki page? I see it's actually like that at time of writing. They don't appear to have split.

Anyway, I'm going to try and answer this but I refuse to do it in a list format. So: I feel kind of ambiguous towards them today. Really liked them as an angsty (etc etc) teen circa 1994 / 95, who had no idea of the horrors the 21st Century would bring. Nowadays I just feel a bit turned off by a lot of their output. Early on they're just bad teenage poetry over re-heated GnR stylings - that's not an original observation, but it sums it up best.

They do have songs made later on that I remain fond of, but they feel too tied to the mid  / late 90s for me to properly revisit - memories of LADs roaring "WE ONLY WANT TO GET DRUNK" at discos as if it were the only line in that song, for a start. Then there was the pretentiousness of some of the fans (again, the teenage poetry thing), and Steven Wells wanking on about them in a fashion the group themselves must have found faintly embarrassing.

Despite the fact that I was aware of them before this point, to me they belong to the same extended cultural moment that includes Euro 96, Diana dying, the Gallaghers' faces gazing blankly at you everywhere you turned, and Blair and Chris Evans (not the Captain America one) being popular. I feel that the vile spirit of 1996 claimed them as its own, which is deeply unfair of me but I can't shake those associations.

I've not heard any of their more recent albums, though maybe I ought to try the Albini-recorded one with Richey's remaining lyrics.
Title: Re: Does anyone actually think "This Is My Truth Tell Me Yours" is a good album titl
Post by: Jockice on March 13, 2021, 08:16:15 AM
Yeah, I like it. Mind you, I also like Know Your Enemy, so what do I know?

Haven't bought or heard an album since Lifeblood but I believe they're either attempts to go back to their roots or to be really commercial. In sequential order
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Post by: Shaky on March 13, 2021, 09:23:41 AM
Yeah, I like it. Mind you, I also like Know Your Enemy, so what do I know?

Haven't bought or heard an album since Lifeblood but I believe they're either attempts to go back to their roots or to be really commercial. In sequential order

Yeah, Lifeblood, to me, is their last essential album. It's really, really grown on me over the years and the almost ambient sheen works beautifully. Every LP since then has been patchy, but with two or three - sometimes more! - absolute stonkers. Journal For Plague Lovers will always go down as a missed opportunity, I think. They get the old punky fire back here and there but it all seems a bit rushed and uncertain.

I think they still have it as an entity, it just needs harnessing. There's an astonishing album in them yet.

Bradfield's solo album from last year is lovely. That man's a fucking treasure.

Back to the topic, TIMTTMY is pretty dreary and like Chriddof says, I find it too bound to a certain late 90's malaise to ever manage look beyond that. Possibly my fault and not the band's. Again, there's no denying the power of a handful of those tunes.
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Post by: Inspector Norse on March 13, 2021, 02:02:57 PM
What's the deal with that Wiki page?

Subtle comment on their stylistic move into Radio 2 dad-MOR?

Liked them a lot as a teen, ”grew out of them” later and not listened for years. Nothing really wrong with that, rock music is for the young.
Not listened to anything they’ve released this century. I feel a bit like they had their moment of popularity and relevance 25 years ago, and are still going as fan service, much like the majority of bands that carry on for more than a decade. Only a handful can remain a creative and commercial force.
Went back and listened to The Holy Bible and a few other bits a while ago and couldn’t get back into it.

There was always an awkwardness to the lyrics, some powerful lines lost amongst messy screeds. They have some moments that still stand out and are fun to play on the guitar, for example ’La Tristessa Durera’.
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Post by: sevendaughters on March 13, 2021, 02:08:03 PM
It's not a good album title, regardless of intent.

Got some affinity for the record for a couple of reasons: i. I saw them touring it and I enjoyed the show (it was my second ever big gig). ii. My dad, who is a club singer in the Gerry St. Clair/Vic Reeves mould, took to the record and started doing a couple of the songs in his sets amongst old crooner classics and chicken-in-a-basked fare.

The band has gone from teenage obsession to a group of guys I rarely think of these days.
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Post by: willbo on March 13, 2021, 02:20:33 PM
I took "Gold against the Soul" on a holiday to France in 2006 and ended up loving it
and playing it over and over. I always meant to get into their last 15 years of stuff. I like their big rockier anthem stuff.
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Post by: purlieu on March 13, 2021, 02:23:41 PM
Still one of my favourite bands. Don't really like the Richey era, although I can't deny The Holy Bible is quite powerful in places. But generally it's all quite angsty and adolescent and that never really did it for me, even when I was an angsty adolescent. TIMTTMY is my favourite album of theirs, a gorgeous, atmospheric, widescreen record full of really moving songs. Everything Must Go and Lifeblood are utterly superb pop albums. Know Your Enemy is a patchy mess, but I've learned to like it for what it is.
The late '00s period was a bit bleak, Send Away Your Tigers, Journal for Plague Lovers and Postcards From a Young Man all feel like very intentional attempts to recapture past glories, although Journal has some truly excellent songs on it (even if it ended up sounding more like KYE than THB). Since then I think they've been on a roll again. Rewind the Film and Futurology feel pretty different to their earlier works, and are full of brilliant songs. Resistance is Futile, appalling title aside, is pretty solid, a first half of straight-forward but really good Manics singles, the second side combining their rockier end with the weirder / atmospheric elements of Futurology and Lifeblood. 'Vivian' is still fucking terrible, though.
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Post by: rue the polywhirl on March 13, 2021, 02:26:12 PM
A lot of their early sloganeering stuff is pretty cringey and not a lot after 2000 really cuts it so Everything Must Go and This Is My Truth really are the sweet spot for the group. Gold Against The Soul has aged the best out of their first 3 albums so that along with EMG and THMTTMY would be their Holy triumvirate for me.
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Post by: Oz Oz Alice on March 13, 2021, 02:31:59 PM
I quite like TIMTTMY, think there's a lot of good material on it. Was absolutely baffled when they took Nobody Loved You off the reissue and replaced it with Prologue To History because for me that's one of the songs that demonstrates James Dean Bradfield's ability to be both Freddie Mercury and Brian May in one tiny Welshman, and it's incredibly moving: I've come to associate it with one of my own best friends who went missing and was later found dead. Born A Girl is an absolutely belting song and performance as well and one that resonates with me given my own fraught gender identity. Ready For Drowning is the song that should've been the huge hit rather than Tolerate in my eyes (and ears); the use of the sample of Richard Burton in The Medusa Touch, absolutely spot on. I like Lifeblood for the same reason as I like TIMTTMY but I think its a lot more consistent: 1985 should've been the first pick for a single over The Love of Richard Nixon although I like the Manics best in slightly post-punky mode.

From Lifeblood on I think the demos they release alongside the records have quite often been better than the finished product, particularly for Futurology which is the only post-Lifeblood record I've kept hanging around: I mean compare the Velvetsy beauty of Nicky Wire's demo for Divine Youth to the slightly over-polished, wispy version on record.

The early sloganeering stuff like Generation Terrorists I like because it's just, for want of a better word, cute. I like hearing Richey Edwards lilting voice and seeing his beautiful doe eyes as he talks about how everything is utterly valueless. I like the shitty sounding drum machine, the needless guitar pyrotechnics and that James sounds about 12. Then The Holy Bible is one of my favourite records by anyone, and parts of it are comparable to the like of Swans: this isn't the sort of thing I expected when I picked it up second hand, and its the record that got me into the band.
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Post by: markburgle on March 13, 2021, 02:54:31 PM
My theory used to be that they only ever packed a punch when they were responding to real tragedy in their own lives (i.e. Richey). Holy Bible, EMG and Journal For Plague Lovers are all in one way or another fuelled by the breakdown/disappearance of Richey, and are their only great albums. The rest of the time it's more like they're a band just for the sake of it - mere politics doesn't drive them to the same heights.

The theory breaks down a bit with the better half of KYE, and most of Futurology is really great too. It would've been even better if they hadn't written it at the same time as the previous record though - bits of it sound under cooked.

They always say that they're two bands and they pivot back and forth - commercial rockers vs spiky* contrarians. I'd argue they're actually 3 bands - a stadium rock band, an AOR band, and a spiky contrarian band. You can generally predict what the next record will be like by tracing back - RIF = stadium rock, Futurology = spiky/contrarian, so we're most likely due a boring post-middle aged load of snoozy old bollocks in the Lifeblood/Truth/Rewind vein.

*Spikiness obviously being relative. A fan of Throbbing Gristle may find their version of spikiness somewhat adorable
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Post by: lankyguy95 on March 13, 2021, 03:24:30 PM
As an aside, a while ago I watched the documentary that the sample at the start of 4st 7lb was taken from, and it's the most upsetting documentary I've ever seen in my life.
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Post by: El Unicornio, mang on March 13, 2021, 03:44:38 PM
I took "Gold against the Soul" on a holiday to France in 2006 and ended up loving it
and playing it over and over. I always meant to get into their last 15 years of stuff. I like their big rockier anthem stuff.

That's the first one of theirs I got and still my favourite, although it seems to be not very well regarded. Love Holy Bible, Generation Terrorists has some standout tracks but not enough quality to warrant the length. Their music hasn't grabbed me since and I found their shift from camo and makeup to looking like Argos sports casual models a bit weird.
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Post by: Glyn on March 13, 2021, 10:17:51 PM
I love the general sound of the album but it can be a bit of a slog, especially the 2nd half of the album.

It's clearly the point at time where they were given the money to indulge their musical side and its the first manics album where the music is allowed to take centre stage (and I can imagine that was great for JDB after having to shoehorn those early lyrics into a melody). I really like it's expansive /wide-screen sound, and it probably fair to say that one of the reasons they haven't gone back to that sound much is because they got it so right on this album at times, but with some of the slower tracks like Be Natural and I'm Not Working it all gets a bit too bogged down and dull for me.

The recent anniversary edition was interesting as there have always been stories that Be Natural was considered the 'next big hit' before they started recording (with If You Tolerate This seen as being too weak to even make the album). I could never get my head around that until hearing the demo which has a thumping Led Zeppelin-esque bass line and a much faster tempo. Christ knows how they ended up with the plodding album version.

I usually go back to the bsides ,more than the album, as they have a lot more energy to them. Prologue to History, Montana Autumn 78, Socialist Serenade and Valley Boy (probably my favourite JDB guitar solo) are all great.

All that said, I think SYMM tends to get a lot of unfair criticism. The chorus is huge and the last few minutes of that guitar solo are probably my favourite part of the album. I stick to my argument that its a song about not being able to write a song.
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Post by: purlieu on March 13, 2021, 10:56:23 PM
Yeah, I never got the problem with SYMM. It's about not knowing how to put into words how horrible the Hillsborough disaster was, which is a perfectly reasonable perspective. Musically it's one of the most atmospheric on the album, an almost unsettling vibe at times.

The interesting thing about the b-sides is that they show the slower pace of the album was absolutely intentional - Prologue to History and Montana/Autumn/78 in particular are louder and more energetic than anything on Everything Must Go even, but they were left off the album for a reason. There's definitely an alternate history there where they included the b-sides (Black Holes for the Young with Sophie Ellis Bextor is another favourite), recorded Tsunami, Be Natural and The Everlasting in the more EMG-esque style of the demos on the reissue, used the four minute Dave Bascome mix of Tolerate and kept some of the more atmospheric tracks for b-sides and it would have basically been EMG2. They'd have kept more of a fanbase and wouldn't have made the somewhat reactionary KYE as a result. It wouldn't have been as musically challenging for them, however, and I'm really glad they went the way they went.
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Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on March 13, 2021, 11:42:51 PM
Tsunami seems to me a good example of how TIMTTMY is actually a worthy album in the sense that the instrumentation is quite creative and yet very poppy, the lyrics are intensely heartfelt (verses anyway) but seem to fit into the structure of a pop song.

I don't think it actually works, but I'd much rather that than the fucking sub-Foo Fighters/REM stuff on Journal For Plague Lovers and the 'we must try to not go through the motions but OH FUCK we can't break out of it' that followed.
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Post by: sevendaughters on March 13, 2021, 11:47:44 PM
I quite like My Little Empire. Quite a desperate bit of lead guitar with Nicky's flat backing vocal.
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Post by: purlieu on March 14, 2021, 12:48:50 AM
the 'we must try to not go through the motions but OH FUCK we can't break out of it' that followed.
But Rewind the Film, Futurology and Resistance is Futile all contain a fair amount of material that is pretty different to what they've done before.
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Post by: Jockice on March 14, 2021, 02:44:38 AM
The Masses Against The Classes is their best ever single. I just thought I'd tell you that.
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Post by: markburgle on March 14, 2021, 10:17:14 AM
The Masses Against The Classes is their best ever single. I just thought I'd tell you that.

Not with those verses it isn't. Great old Manics in the chorus, pale-imitation-desperate-attempt-to-recapture-what's-lost-embarassing-old Manics in the verses.

I do think it's odd that Nicky always boasts about getting Tolerate to no.1 just because of it's subject matter, when really that's not such a big deal given how the music is very commercial and produced for radio. Whereas it's genuinely incredible that they managed to top the charts with Masses. When has there ever been a record that sounded that abrasive at no. 1? I always keep having to recheck wikipedia every time I bring it up just to check I'm not misremembering.
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Post by: Dr Syntax Head on March 14, 2021, 10:46:37 AM
I love the album but well annoyed that Nobody Loves You got left off the vinyl re-release.
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Post by: Jockice on March 14, 2021, 11:13:58 AM
Not with those verses it isn't. Great old Manics in the chorus, pale-imitation-desperate-attempt-to-recapture-what's-lost-embarassing-old Manics in the verses.

I like the verses. I think it's a rare case of them taking the piss out of themselves. I remember reading a piece about it in Socialist Worker calling it 'a call to arms against capitalism' or suchlike. It's not anything of the sort and I could be wrong but I think that's the point.
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Post by: Phil_A on March 14, 2021, 11:35:34 AM
Not with those verses it isn't. Great old Manics in the chorus, pale-imitation-desperate-attempt-to-recapture-what's-lost-embarassing-old Manics in the verses.

I do think it's odd that Nicky always boasts about getting Tolerate to no.1 just because of it's subject matter, when really that's not such a big deal given how the music is very commercial and produced for radio. Whereas it's genuinely incredible that they managed to top the charts with Masses. When has there ever been a record that sounded that abrasive at no. 1? I always keep having to recheck wikipedia every time I bring it up just to check I'm not misremembering.

They were very canny in putting "Masses" out right before the New Year, a time when single sales traditionally plummeted. So it just kind-of snuck in there on the back of fan sales I suspect.

This discogs credit made me chuckle:

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Post by: Glyn on March 14, 2021, 03:39:15 PM
I like the verses. I think it's a rare case of them taking the piss out of themselves. I remember reading a piece about it in Socialist Worker calling it 'a call to arms against capitalism' or suchlike. It's not anything of the sort and I could be wrong but I think that's the point.

Always considered it their attempt at 'Complete Control' . A one-off, self contained track about the politics of being in a band. It definitely takes the piss about what they had become and the lines 'or are you lost forevermore?/ messed up and dead on alcohol' always put me in mind of the slightly angry Richey dig in Prologue to History ('my former friend who's now undercover\he's gone but I'm no deserter'). 

Despite it getting to no.1 it's the start of the self sabotage that leads to Know Your Enemy and just another reason why they are often fascinating (and occasionally dull as dishwater). Their reaction to having a number 1 single and large commercial success (especially in Europe) was to follow it up with a song that starts with Chomsky, ends with Camus, is draped in a Cuban flag and sounds somewhere inbetween You Love Us, Twist and Shout and Motown Junk.  Madness on every level, and it goes straight to number 1. It's the realisation of the ambition of Generation Terrorists 8 years late and in the full knowledge that they were turning their back on the sort of money that a palatable follow up to This is My Truth would have brought.

Speaking of which , the Know Your Enemy box set they they teased last year should be announced fairly soon. Really looking forward to that. Absolute mess of an album and all the better for it.
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Post by: Oz Oz Alice on March 14, 2021, 03:42:30 PM
The self-sabotage particularly evident in this hilarious live version where James plays no guitar in the verses, instead allowing a Blackpool Pleasure Beach organ line to take the rhythm guitar's place: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJyJGcI1n9g.
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Post by: sutin on March 14, 2021, 11:17:20 PM
Didn't they make a big statement that Masses Against The Classes would be deleted the day it was released? I seem to remember all my mates buying it because they thought if they didn't, the song wouldn't be obtainable again.
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Post by: Jockice on March 15, 2021, 08:26:40 AM
When has there ever been a record that sounded that abrasive at no. 1? I always keep having to recheck wikipedia every time I bring it up just to check I'm not misremembering.

Iron Maiden's Bring Your Daughter To The Slaughter. Another one timed to come out when nobody but their devoted fans would buy singles.
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Post by: Jockice on March 15, 2021, 08:46:01 AM
Yeah, Lifeblood, to me, is their last essential album. It's really, really grown on me over the years and the almost ambient sheen works beautifully.

Got to admit I only played it two or three times and wasn't very impressed. But I may dig it out again on your recommendation and try again.
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Post by: Oz Oz Alice on March 15, 2021, 08:49:34 AM
Put me down as a Lifeblood booster as well: it's just a beautiful sounding record. Reminds me of the Blue Nile of all people in parts.
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Post by: checkoutgirl on March 15, 2021, 09:05:05 AM
Any sign of icehaven? I seem to remember her doing a post about being at a Manic's gig as a teenager and sitting with her back to the support acts, in protest against them for having the audacity to not be the Manic Street Preachers. They did seem to generate that kind of fanaticism at times. I remember a lad from round our way singing stuff off Everything Must Go in the pub one night. Don't remember him singing anything in the pub before or since.

I always liked that tune about Elvis on Blackpool beach.
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Post by: The Culture Bunker on March 15, 2021, 09:18:05 AM
Iron Maiden's Bring Your Daughter To The Slaughter. Another one timed to come out when nobody but their devoted fans would buy singles.
I was thinking Tubeway Army getting to the top with "Are 'Friends' Electric?" is a strange one - can't put it down to fanbase (no previous hits) but a moody synth-tune without a proper chorus sang by a weirdo android wannabe got to #1.

And of course the Sex Pistols should had a chart topper too - but the man wouldn't allow it (allegedly).
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Post by: markburgle on March 15, 2021, 10:41:51 AM
I like the verses. I think it's a rare case of them taking the piss out of themselves. I remember reading a piece about it in Socialist Worker calling it 'a call to arms against capitalism' or suchlike. It's not anything of the sort and I could be wrong but I think that's the point.

I thought the verses were just defensive putdowns against their detractors? "Success is an ugly word / Especially in your tiny world" - or is that aimed at themselves?

I always thought they were quite ready with the self-deprecation, but maybe not on the records themselves. Next Jet to Leave Moscow is another good example though - "So you played in Cuba did you like it brother? / I bet you felt proud you silly little fucker"
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Post by: Jockice on March 15, 2021, 12:56:43 PM
I thought the verses were just defensive putdowns against their detractors? "Success is an ugly word / Especially in your tiny world" - or is that aimed at themselves?

I always thought they were quite ready with the self-deprecation, but maybe not on the records themselves. Next Jet to Leave Moscow is another good example though - "So you played in Cuba did you like it brother? / I bet you felt proud you silly little fucker"

I'm convinced that the SWP reviewer had never actually heard the record. Not that any other reviewer has ever done anything like that. Ever,
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Post by: Shaky on March 16, 2021, 09:28:27 AM
I thought the verses were just defensive putdowns against their detractors? "Success is an ugly word / Especially in your tiny world" - or is that aimed at themselves?

Yeah, seems to me the lyrics were sincerely aimed at those who accused them of selling out and changing their sound too much. I seem to recall that might have been around the time Wire seriously thought about leaving the band, too.

See also Masses b-side "Close My Eyes," which is about Nicky being knackered from dealing with fans and touring.
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Post by: OnlyRegisteredSoICanRead on March 16, 2021, 02:09:25 PM
You know, I having checked, I can think of a lot better album tities.
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Post by: willbo on March 16, 2021, 02:14:14 PM
I went on holiday with a friend and his family when "this is my truth" had just come out, and he played it constantly. I found it a bit boring, to be honest, I wasn't really in a headspace to be listening to gentle stuff life that. I wanted us to play noisy rock like Idlewild, Feeder, Ash, Placebo etc. The memory of hearing those songs over and over has always stayed with me though. There was just something interesting about seeing him sniffle while mumbling along to "born a girl" and the rest.
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Post by: idunnosomename on March 17, 2021, 05:35:02 PM
Iron Maiden's Bring Your Daughter To The Slaughter. Another one timed to come out when nobody but their devoted fans would buy singles.
I think Rod Smallwood came up with that wheeze, and not sure if anyone other than the manics replicated it (though maybe some tried and failed?). a lot of post Christmas No. 1s are pretty established or highly promoted new artists who would've got a number one anyway. and I dont really buy the theory "no one buys singles the week after Christmas" (but that is the stated reason why they put it out then) because you know, Christmas money and record vouchers?

about the only other weird post-xmas one I can find in the 90s is Chocolate Salty Balls, but that actually came out way before Christmas so I think it must've been a bit of a fluke.

also Daughter was actually No. 1 for two weeks, and Masses was only available for like one week and was a non-album track so they were really gunning for that first 2000 no. 1.
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Post by: willbo on March 17, 2021, 06:23:31 PM
I always thought "bring your daughter" was a weird one as it's not really that representative of their sound. It was a (maiden singer) Bruce Dickinson solo track for a "Freddy" film before it ended up as a Maiden song, and it does sound more like his solo band. Like more hard rock than Maiden metal.

what about that Rage Against the Machine thing one year?
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Post by: idunnosomename on March 17, 2021, 07:52:47 PM
that was actually an effort to stop Cowell's X-Factor song getting the Christmas No. 1, as it basically took it over for the 00s.
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Post by: Jockice on March 18, 2021, 08:51:50 AM
I think Rod Smallwood came up with that wheeze.

I distinctly remember I was in the bath when I heard the chart rundown that evening. I thought it was hilarious. The single topping the charts that is, not my shrivelled little now. I'm not a Maiden, or metal in general, fan (I liked Sanctuary though. Because it had the same riff as Jilted John*) but fair play to them.

(Both Dickinson and Graham Fellows went to the secondary school just off the top of my road. As did Paul Heaton. And did I ever mention that my girlfriend's parents used to be friends with Dickinson's folks when they both lived in one of Sheffield's posher suburbs? Well, I have now.)
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Post by: danwho9 on March 19, 2021, 11:27:23 PM
Does anyone actually think 'disco dancing with the rapists' is a great piece of songwriting?
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Post by: A Hat Like That on March 20, 2021, 03:33:09 PM
I think Rod Smallwood came up with that wheeze, and not sure if anyone other than the manics replicated it (though maybe some tried and failed?). a lot of post Christmas No. 1s are pretty established or highly promoted new artists who would've got a number one anyway. and I dont really buy the theory "no one buys singles the week after Christmas" (but that is the stated reason why they put it out then) because you know, Christmas money and record vouchers?

about the only other weird post-xmas one I can find in the 90s is Chocolate Salty Balls, but that actually came out way before Christmas so I think it must've been a bit of a fluke.

also Daughter was actually No. 1 for two weeks, and Masses was only available for like one week and was a non-album track so they were really gunning for that first 2000 no. 1.

My recollection from the 90s/very early 00s is that January was always good for odd number ones and surprise hits.

Just eyeballing a list

1991 follows up Maiden with Enigma and Queen
1995 - Rednex
1996 - Bablylon Zoo
1997 - Tori Amos, White Town
1999 mentioned but you also have the Offspring at the end of the month. The number 2 that week was terrorvision and Gay Dad were at number 10.
2001 - Limp Bizkit
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Post by: willbo on March 21, 2021, 06:25:53 PM
that Offspring/terrorvision time was what first got me into music in a big way. I really miss those days. I was listening to a nice mix of noisy indie rock (Idlewild/Garbage/Placebo type stuff), American punk, metal and industrial, like Rob Zombie, Korn, Deftones type stuff, UK rock stuff like Therapy, Manics, Wildhearts were still going, hip hop was just getting big with people I knew thanks to Eminem etc. I feel like it was a perfect pinpoint time for rock that was never the same since.
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Post by: idunnosomename on March 21, 2021, 10:57:32 PM
should really do a weird no 1s thread.

I just think Maiden getting no. 3 with Can I Play With Madness prompted Rod to gun for a no. 1 with the next album, despite it being piss-weak. well it's ok for what it is. no other album like it by any band, for what it's worth

amazed how CD singles kept selling into the 00s. what the fuck did you do with the things. useless.
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Post by: willbo on March 22, 2021, 12:14:25 AM
I think I was surprised to read a few years back that Bjork's Oh So Quiet was NOT number one that Christmas? I remember it being on tv every 5 minutes
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Post by: A Hat Like That on March 22, 2021, 07:57:33 AM
It was in the Top 10 for over a month, similar with Everything bt the Girl's missing - that was in the Top 10 from October to the end of January. Wonderwall's that era as well, in the Top 10 for weeks.
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Post by: A Hat Like That on March 22, 2021, 07:59:51 AM
Going down the rabbit hole and seen that Whole Lotta Love by Goldbug is at #3 the week Babylon Zoo are at #1.

That was one I definitely wanted to know what the whole Goldbug album was going to sound like :/

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Post by: rue the polywhirl on March 22, 2021, 08:05:19 AM
Steering this back on topic, I think ‘This Is My Truth Tell Me Yours’ is a great album title and I like that it looks like the thread title runs out of character space trying to fit it in.
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Post by: rue the polywhirl on March 22, 2021, 08:17:40 AM
If Manics release another record this year, do you think they will appeal to Ricky Gervais’ twitter to try and nudge it to number 1? Considering their last two records stalled at number 2.
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Post by: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on March 22, 2021, 05:37:07 PM
I used to own This is My Truth... and quite liked it. Then I went through a bit of a punk phase and (with the help of a few backlash articles in music mags) decided that it was a load of soft rock sell out dreck, so my best friend and I wrote punky slogans over my copy and then smashed it up. Over two decades later, I naturally look back at my teenage self with embarrassment, although I've never felt compelled to re-evaluate the album.

The Manics are also notable within my own musical history for being the first CD I ever owned (Everything Must Go) and the first single (The Masses Against the Classes). I still like Masses, but I did just buy it because of the one week only non-album track gimmickry. As it happened, I never got any of their subsequent albums anyway. Generation Terrorists is the only one I still listen to these days - which makes the whole sell out thing seem even more pretentious, since that album isn't exactly white hot polemic itself, for the most part.
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Post by: McFlymo on March 23, 2021, 04:37:15 PM
I loved EMG, I was 16 when it came out. Previously I'd heard bits of their earlier stuff at house parties and was intrigued by how fanatical people were about them. I didn't understand any of the politics about them, just that they had attitude and good rock tunes. I just love JDB's voice and most of EMG is excellent.

When "If you tolerate this..." came out and started being played on TV and radio constantly, I got right fucked off with it. I hated that song. Hated the dreariness of that and The Everlasting. Hated the videos. Just boring, mopey bollocks. So I've never sat through the entirety of TIMTTMY album and I've only caught bits and pieces of them since.

I'm prepared to give them another chance!
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Post by: Spiteface on March 24, 2021, 05:36:08 PM
If you think the singles from the album are dreary, chances are you won't like the rest of the album.

For an album that was as big as it was at the time (sold more than EMG), it's certainly no party album.
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Post by: Tokyo van Ramming on March 24, 2021, 11:49:01 PM
Lighthouse Family years, look at the cover
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Post by: willbo on March 25, 2021, 10:23:56 AM
Kerrang gave TIMYTMY 5 Ks at the time, put it in their albums of the year, and said "of all the rock bands out there right now, none could make a record as beautiful as this". About a decade later, they did a retrospective where they retconned it down to 3 Ks and decided it was sounding a little more bland now.
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Post by: non capisco on March 25, 2021, 12:07:15 PM
At the time it was the album that put me right off Manic Street Preachers and I never really jumped back on the train afterwards. My memory is that they'd nailed the yearning, anthemic stuff on 'Everything Must Go' and 'TIMTTMY' sounded like an attempt to carry on with that sense of grace under emotional fire that its predecessor captured, but this time the defiance was replaced by weariness. The first Manics album that sounded like they had nothing they wanted to say, coming off the back of two albums where the need to communicate varying forms of acute emotional distress were startling in their urgency. I'd loved 'The Holy Bible' and 'EMG' so much I found it hard to admit to myself at first how bored and boring they sounded ('Tsunami' aside, still love that one). Also, that cover when they're standing about looking beatific (James) or bored (Nicky Wire and Paul Merton) in the middle of a desert was some 'Joshua Tree' bullshit.

All that's with the caveat that I haven't listened to that album since it came out and I haven't ever really listened to any of their stuff since. Occasionally a song of theirs will come up on shuffle and I'll be taken aback by what an amazing guitarist and vocalist JDB is so maybe I should do some late period Manics investigating. The last 'new' tune of theirs I heard was 'Jackie Collins Existential Question Time' which flippin slams.
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Post by: PaulTMA on March 25, 2021, 01:04:26 PM
Like Blur's 13 it came out in the wake of OK Computer being the "best album ever" and I think that contributed to the dreariness
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Post by: Spiteface on March 25, 2021, 02:36:11 PM
At the time it was the album that put me right off Manic Street Preachers and I never really jumped back on the train afterwards. My memory is that they'd nailed the yearning, anthemic stuff on 'Everything Must Go' and 'TIMTTMY' sounded like an attempt to carry on with that sense of grace under emotional fire that its predecessor captured, but this time the defiance was replaced by weariness. The first Manics album that sounded like they had nothing they wanted to say, coming off the back of two albums where the need to communicate varying forms of acute emotional distress were startling in their urgency. I'd loved 'The Holy Bible' and 'EMG' so much I found it hard to admit to myself at first how bored and boring they sounded ('Tsunami' aside, still love that one). Also, that cover when they're standing about looking beatific (James) or bored (Nicky Wire and Paul Merton) in the middle of a desert was some 'Joshua Tree' bullshit.

All that's with the caveat that I haven't listened to that album since it came out and I haven't ever really listened to any of their stuff since. Occasionally a song of theirs will come up on shuffle and I'll be taken aback by what an amazing guitarist and vocalist JDB is so maybe I should do some late period Manics investigating.

Futurology is the best of the late-period Manics stuff. Really deserved a proper tour, that one.

Avoid Postcards From a Young Man.
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Post by: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on March 25, 2021, 03:00:34 PM
Lighthouse Family years, look at the cover
Also, that cover when they're standing about looking beatific (James) or bored (Nicky Wire and Paul Merton) in the middle of a desert was some 'Joshua Tree' bullshit.
(https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/85c5b196-6f34-4484-8ced-e38361dcfe49/d5r4vkn-7ec730a3-1d55-4138-b231-a7c13c5de24b.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJpc3MiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwic3ViIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsImF1ZCI6WyJ1cm46c2VydmljZTpmaWxlLmRvd25sb2FkIl0sIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiIvZi84NWM1YjE5Ni02ZjM0LTQ0ODQtOGNlZC1lMzgzNjFkY2ZlNDkvZDVyNHZrbi03ZWM3MzBhMy0xZDU1LTQxMzgtYjIzMS1hN2MxM2M1ZGUyNGIuanBnIn1dXX0.SQH4PQ8074xOlTG21bHGYnzDS-_-kHVFOKG3pQQ7uGg)
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Post by: Spiteface on May 10, 2021, 12:31:00 PM
Is this the board's Manics thread now?

Anyway, 30-second teaser thing popped up on the band's Twitter and Facebook, accompanied by the hashtag "#TUVL", the date of May 14th at the end of the clip

https://twitter.com/Manics/status/1391710736217427969 (https://twitter.com/Manics/status/1391710736217427969)

Presumably TUVL is the next album's title initialised, looks like an announcement is happening on Friday. Guessing the new album and possibly a tour.

Still wondering if the NHS gigs in Cardiff are going ahead. I already had one gig lined up that got pushed back to next year, and that was outdoors. The Manics are supposed to be doing the Motorpoint Arena. I can't see those gigs happening in July.
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Post by: Wacky Homemade Badges on May 10, 2021, 06:35:40 PM
Torquay United's Versatile Leftback
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Post by: Glyn on May 10, 2021, 07:15:19 PM
Favourite guess I've seen so far is 'Triangles Under Various Lighting' (sums up the teaser video rather perfectly). Based on past form the first word is The and the last is probably Love isn't it ?

Have seen that Wire has pitched this album as 'The Clash playing Abba' so that's two bands it will sound nothing like.
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Post by: Kankurette on May 10, 2021, 07:25:38 PM
Any sign of icehaven? I seem to remember her doing a post about being at a Manic's gig as a teenager and sitting with her back to the support acts, in protest against them for having the audacity to not be the Manic Street Preachers. They did seem to generate that kind of fanaticism at times. I remember a lad from round our way singing stuff off Everything Must Go in the pub one night. Don't remember him singing anything in the pub before or since.

I always liked that tune about Elvis on Blackpool beach.
That sounds like peak Manics fan tbh. Nicky never changes. A friend of mine calls him Plank and it’s stuck with me. The Clash meets ABBA? Yeah, right, Plank.

One time I trolled a Manics chat room by pretending to be the singer from the Beta Band. I was 15 or so.
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Post by: purlieu on May 10, 2021, 08:16:43 PM
Twelve Underwhelming Vapid Lovesongs was my guess on Forever Delayed.

Last month's Mojo interview included the words restrained, subtle and comforting melancholia, as well as the info that it was largely written on piano. So anyone who's only into rawk Manics will probably be best off avoiding it.
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Post by: Wacky Homemade Badges on May 10, 2021, 08:30:03 PM
Tonguing the Undercarriage of Vivien Leigh
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Post by: JohnnyCouncil on May 10, 2021, 08:49:14 PM
Guess they're doing Rewind the Film again this time. That's okay, I liked that one.
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Post by: Kankurette on May 11, 2021, 09:29:04 AM
Not for me, Clive. I preferred Futurology.
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Post by: lankyguy95 on May 11, 2021, 12:42:56 PM
Thrilling Unveiling of Vanished Lyricist

Richey's back.
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Post by: turnstyle on May 11, 2021, 02:09:02 PM
The Ugly Veil Lifted

OR

Truro's Ultimate Vegetable Lasagna

Definitely one of those.
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Post by: Wayman C. McCreery on May 13, 2021, 09:18:59 AM
The Ultra Vivid Lament: https://youtu.be/Lg2HrqFsz14

Is that Kylie singing?

Some absolute appalling lyrics in there. Can’t wait.
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Post by: Spiteface on May 13, 2021, 11:20:04 AM
It's not Kylie.

Tracklisting got leaked on Amazon, and since pulled, but someone caught it, and this appears to be the tracklisting:

Still Snowing in Sapporo
Orwellian
The Secret He Had Missed - Manic Street Preachers feat. Julia Cumming
Quest for Ancient Colour
Don't Let the Night Divide Us
Diapause
Complicated Illusions
Into the Waves of Love
Blank Diary Entry - Manic Street Preachers feat. Mark Lanegan
Happy Bored Alone
Afterending

so the female voice you heard, that was Julia Cumming.

Speaking of things posted & pulled, looks like we'll get Orwellian confirmed as the single tomorrow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkqBVB2Ydy0
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Post by: purlieu on May 13, 2021, 12:27:17 PM
The sound, from the clips in that, really reminds me of the There By the Grace of God b-sides... energetic but not heavily guitar-led; pianoey but not in the slick Lifeblood way.
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Post by: purlieu on May 13, 2021, 02:10:10 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/rUjtJa9.png)
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Post by: Glyn on May 13, 2021, 02:29:58 PM

Speaking of things posted & pulled, looks like we'll get Orwellian confirmed as the single tomorrow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkqBVB2Ydy0

Which some clever folks have noticed works if you use a VPN via New Zealand.

Wasn't hugely impressed on first listen but the chorus is a grower. Can hear the Abba reference and sounds like one of the more polished Lifeblood tracks to me (Song For A Departure-esque I would say).
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Post by: Nice Relaxing Poo on May 13, 2021, 02:34:29 PM


The band has gone from teenage obsession to a group of guys I rarely think of these days.

Sums it up for me.


And no that is not a good album title.
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Post by: lankyguy95 on May 13, 2021, 03:56:58 PM
Yeah it's a pretty bad title and I wish they hadn't put it front and centre of the album cover too.
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Post by: Chicory on May 13, 2021, 04:51:12 PM
Yeah it's a pretty bad title and I wish they hadn't put it front and centre of the album cover too.

I think it's that modern thing of making the title look all big and obvious so it can be seen clearly on a device thumbnail, like LCD Soundsystem did with 'American Dream'.
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Post by: Spiteface on May 14, 2021, 12:16:47 AM
I like Orwellian.

It's not a bold reinvention or anything, but a solid first taste of the new album.
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Post by: Shaky on May 14, 2021, 01:05:21 AM
Yeah, it's pretty good after a couple of listens. Wretched lyrics, but that's par for the course these days.
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Post by: JohnnyCouncil on May 14, 2021, 06:31:50 AM
I'm assuming this is 'album taster' and that 'first single' will be released when they album goes up for sale. Don't think much of this tbh, would agree the lyrics are absolute bobbins.
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Post by: Wacky Homemade Badges on May 14, 2021, 08:11:41 AM
What’s Diapause? Can you get it over the counter? If you take too many do you get properly bunged up?
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Post by: purlieu on May 14, 2021, 09:39:28 AM
Crikey, descriptions that suggested something Lifeblood-esque and references to Abba and the lead single actually sounds like Lifeblood-era Manics doing an Abba song. Is this the first time Nicky's not talked complete bollocks before an album?

I've never listened to them for their lyrics - Nicky's are normally vague platitudes, Richey's were exceptionally tedious sixth form angst "look how clever I am" twaddle - but even then, the slightly centrist perspective he's been taking recently doesn't do him any good. Not knowing which side to choose isn't a particularly good look at this particular point in recent history.
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Post by: Shaky on May 15, 2021, 01:19:28 AM
I can't agree about Richie's lyrics - disjointed at times, but he could spin out a great phrase or 12 and at least the band had some fury behind them. Nicky's words just seem to be "there" to give James something to sing. Quite shockingly shit and the grammar is frequently atrocious.

As he writes quite a lot of the music these days, I wonder if he simply doesn't care anymore.
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Post by: markburgle on May 16, 2021, 10:14:26 AM
Twelve Underwhelming Vapid Lovesongs was my guess on Forever Delayed.

Why doesn't Forever Delayed accept new members? You see the occasional gripe on there about how the place is quieter than it used to be, but it's hardly any wonder!

I agree Nicky's lyrics are usually shite - especially on the new single, which is a shame cos it's a refreshingly good tune for them. But he had some good ones on Futurology, I thought, as well as some impressive music credits. I liked I'm well aware of happiness / and what it takes to get to it / But the simple struggle of survival / Transforms itself into betrayal. But maybe the way Green Gartside sang it elevated it somehow
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Post by: purlieu on May 16, 2021, 10:30:31 AM
I can't agree about Richie's lyrics - disjointed at times, but he could spin out a great phrase or 12 and at least the band had some fury behind them.
Yeah, I know I'm probably in the minority with this, I think he was just the polar opposite of what I want from a lyricist really. I like witty storytelling songs and evocative words full of imagery, not really after angst or polemic. With the Manics, I'm in it for the music really.
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Post by: icehaven on May 16, 2021, 11:28:15 AM
Any sign of icehaven? I seem to remember her doing a post about being at a Manic's gig as a teenager and sitting with her back to the support acts, in protest against them for having the audacity to not be the Manic Street Preachers. They did seem to generate that kind of fanaticism at times.

Haha! It wasn't quite that, it was actually a Puressence gig and their support act (can't remember who they were) said something disparaging about the Manics so I shouted something rude at them then sat on the floor with my back to them for the rest of their set, which I doubt they noticed as it was crowded and I was near the back. I really stuck it to them by sitting in spilt beer for half an hour. I was, as always back then, wearing a Manics Tshirt so I think I felt I had to defend them somehow, which was ridiculous and self-absorbed and absolutely in character for me when I was 17.
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Post by: Spiteface on May 16, 2021, 11:37:49 AM
It's not Kylie.

Tracklisting got leaked on Amazon, and since pulled, but someone caught it, and this appears to be the tracklisting:

Still Snowing in Sapporo
Orwellian
The Secret He Had Missed - Manic Street Preachers feat. Julia Cumming
Quest for Ancient Colour
Don't Let the Night Divide Us
Diapause
Complicated Illusions
Into the Waves of Love
Blank Diary Entry - Manic Street Preachers feat. Mark Lanegan
Happy Bored Alone
Afterending

so the female voice you heard, that was Julia Cumming.

Speaking of things posted & pulled, looks like we'll get Orwellian confirmed as the single tomorrow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkqBVB2Ydy0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkqBVB2Ydy0)


Was trying to figure out why the name Julia Cumming rang a bell, and listening to James Dean Bradfield doing interviews for the album, I realised. Cumming is the lead singer from Sunflower Bean, who supported the Manics at Cardiff Castle in 2019. Not bad, bit Fleetwood Mac-y.
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Post by: Kankurette on May 17, 2021, 01:49:15 AM
Mark Lanegan? Ooh, hello.
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Post by: willbo on June 04, 2021, 10:27:06 AM
Has anyone listened to Anchoress much? I found her music amazing at first but got worn out on how overblown it was kind of quickly
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Post by: Spiteface on July 16, 2021, 12:16:03 AM
"The Secret He Had Missed" a duet with Julia Cumming from Sunflower Bean is up on Spotify now.

This one has more Abba vibes than "Orwellian" did. But I like it, and I despise Abba traditionally.
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Post by: Wayman C. McCreery on July 16, 2021, 04:22:56 PM
"The Secret He Had Missed" a duet with Julia Cumming from Sunflower Bean is up on Spotify now.

Oh. Not a fan of this at all. With this and Orwellian I've got a feeling this album's going to be a Postcards-style writeoff for me. Though apart from International Blue I thought the singles off the last one were pretty dreadful, and the second half of that record is great.

Here's the video featuring Sophie off Detectorists: https://youtu.be/4Q3sDyp3mbo
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Post by: Glyn on July 16, 2021, 09:47:48 PM
Rather like this. Nice guitar fills going on and the bridge is very catchy.

I can't take a whole album of Abba impressions though so I really hope this is as blatant as it gets.