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Title: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on April 03, 2021, 02:04:19 PM
This one passed me by, but it looks like they've had a bit of a shake-up with the weekend schedule. The main takeaways are Kershaw and Robinson are GONE to be replaced with Jamz Supernova and The Blessed Madonna.

https://www.musicweek.com/media/read/bbc-6-music-recruits-jamz-supernova-as-liz-kershaw-s-saturday-show-ends-after-17-years/082837

I've had the Jamz show on for about half an hour (missed the first 1/2) and it's been quite good so fair, a bit of modern rnb/jazz crossover stuff, some rap and a featurette with someone called Connie Constance who seems interesting enough to check out. Certainly a lot fresher than Kershaw reminiscing about the indie scene from 30+ years ago. And probably a better lead-up to Gilles Peterson's show if you're in to that as well.

I quite liked Robinson, I know quite a few didn't but he could get interesting guests in, especially when they were there for a good portion of the 3 hours.

Also St Vincent has a small series.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Pink Gregory on April 03, 2021, 02:23:39 PM
Fleece dads are gonna lose their shit but this seems like a positive step for 6music to avoid wallowing.

Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on April 03, 2021, 02:25:59 PM
Yeah it seems a good move, make it fresher and more diverse and interesting at the same time.

They just did the bit where they get the next dj on to promote the show, which just ended up in Peterson being really nice and supportive and saying he'd been listening from the start and really enjoying it in a sincere way.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: OnlyRegisteredSoICanRead on April 03, 2021, 02:59:08 PM
Good lord, when you said Kershaw, I thought you meant…

Err. never mind






Hat Flipping incoming news: Liz Kershaw is older than Andy Kershaw!
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Chicory on April 03, 2021, 03:46:12 PM
I'm overjoyed that utter turd Kershaw has gone. Never mind her obvious nastiness, she wasn't even good at her job. Constantly getting things wrong, zero rapport with her phone-ins, awkward pauses everywhere.

The station as a whole is steadily getting better. The recent 'pop day' was a joy and even grumpy bollocks Keaveny sounded like he was having a ball. Almost as if everyone had momentarily unclenched their buttocks, quit the Pitchforky posturing and remembered that music can be brilliant, unadulterated fun.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Jockice on April 03, 2021, 04:21:43 PM
I never listen to Kershaw anyway. 1-3 on Saturdays is Pick Of The Pops time. Don't mind Robinson though.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: earl_sleek on April 03, 2021, 04:35:21 PM
Hated Kershaw, so that's great. Now they just need to change the breakfast presenter and I'll be happy (I like Lauren Lavern and think she's a good broadcaster, but she doesn't suit the breakfast slot).
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Malcy on April 03, 2021, 04:36:37 PM
Caught a bit of Jamz and bounced round the kitchen to a bit of DnB while making a munch. Only really listening to Huey Morgan these days.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Phil_A on April 03, 2021, 04:52:51 PM
Christ, I thought Liz Kershaw would never go. She's clung on to that slot like a limpet for goodness knows how many years, I was listening to some Adam & Joes from when they started on 6 in 2007 and on the first one they did a very embarrassing handover to Kershaw's show where she comes across like she wanted to bone the pair of them("You've both given me so much pleasure over the years"). I think very wisely they never did that again.

But she's still not completely gone as they've given her a new Sunday slot for four weeks. Hopefully after that she'll be packed off to a graveyard slot somewhere, preferably on another station. I actually thought they might've used the lockdown as an excuse to finally bin her off as she disappeared off the air for a while.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Chicory on April 03, 2021, 05:00:56 PM
Her and Steve 'Steve Wright In The Afternoon' Wright have definitely found some very dodgy BBC laptops.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Emotional Support Peacock on April 03, 2021, 05:35:30 PM
It would be good if they got rid of Steve Lamacq.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: mobias on April 03, 2021, 05:51:05 PM
Does anyone here like the current daytime weekday schedule? I find Shaun Keaveny utterly annoying in the afternoon and I don't really have much time for Mary Ann Hobbs anymore either. We have 6 music on all day at work and Mary Anne Hobbs is by far the most likely DJ to get turned off. I know Radcliffe and Maconie annoyed some people but I really miss them in the afternoon now. They did great interviews and when the banter was good they could be really funny.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: seepage on April 03, 2021, 05:51:47 PM
With Jamz replacing Kershaw there's now a whole 5 hours of what seems mostly atonal jazz stuff on a Saturday afternoon rather than in the evening. Peterson is supposed to play a bit of electronica but I've not heard any, unless its definition is different to what I think.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: daf on April 03, 2021, 05:53:35 PM
I know Radcliffe and Maconie annoyed some people but I really miss them in the afternoon now. They did great interviews and when the banter was good they could be really funny.

Still worth a listen on the weekend (I record them on my TV box, and fast-forward though all the songs!)
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: seepage on April 03, 2021, 05:57:47 PM
Does anyone here like the current daytime weekday schedule? I find Shaun Keaveny utterly annoying in the afternoon and I don't really have much time for Mary Ann Hobbs anymore either. We have 6 music on all day at work and Mary Anne Hobbs is by far the most likely DJ to get turned off. I know Radcliffe and Maconie annoyed some people but I really miss them in the afternoon now. They did great interviews and when the banter was good they could be really funny.

I like Keaveny but I've only been listening to 6Music from shortly after he moved to the afternoon so haven't tired of his schtick yet. Hobbs can be a bit irritating and it's very weird when she shoehorns in some metal around lunchtime.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: mobias on April 03, 2021, 06:25:21 PM
I like Keaveny but I've only been listening to 6Music from shortly after he moved to the afternoon so haven't tired of his schtick yet. Hobbs can be a bit irritating and it's very weird when she shoehorns in some metal around lunchtime.

She does play some pretty full on techno too. I like my full on techno but not at 11am. I know Lauren Laverne can be very gushy but from a musical point of view she got vibe much better when she did the 10am to 1pm slot before the last shake up.

Still worth a listen on the weekend (I record them on my TV box, and fast-forward though all the songs!)

Yeah I miss their weekend show as I'm not at work and I don't usually listen to the radio at weekends so much. I should give them a listen.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Camp Tramp on April 03, 2021, 06:27:05 PM
So glad Kershaw has gone

I did All Killer, No Filler back in 2009. They accidentally forgot to hang up at the end of my call and I heard her slagging me off to the producer. Horrible woman.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Phil_A on April 03, 2021, 06:29:46 PM
With Jamz replacing Kershaw there's now a whole 5 hours of what seems mostly atonal jazz stuff on a Saturday afternoon rather than in the evening. Peterson is supposed to play a bit of electronica but I've not heard any, unless its definition is different to what I think.

Just looking at the Jamz Supernova playlist and she's got some Dylan, Marvin Gaye, The Jam, X-Ray Spex and Dizzee Rascal in there. It's hardly wall-to-wall Peter Brötzmann.

Of the current daytime line-up, I find Lauren Laverne far too twee, Mary Anne Hobbs too earnest and Shaun Keaveny too dreary. I can stand them in small doses but sometimes I give up and put the World Service or Radio 4 on for a break.

Mary Anne Hobbs frustrates me as I can remember her back in the Radio 1 Rock Show days when she used to be pretty sharp and funny, and now she sounds like she's permanently zonked out on Valium. There's only so much breathy reverence I can reasonably endure, I wish the old Mary Anne could come back again.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on April 03, 2021, 06:46:31 PM
Agree with most of that. Although I still like Hobbs she's certainly a lot different to when she was doing the rock show or The Breezeblock.

Laverne used to be good, I think at some point she started doing more professional broadcast stuff on radio 4 and that's resulted in her talking more bollocks and adding more unnecessary features to the show (it's funny when Tom Ravenscroft sits in and does them in a very begrudging, perfunctory fashion).

I always find when Nemone sits in for Laverne or Keaveney she invariably ends up putting on a much better selection than either of them normally do. The pinnacle being her playing Roxanne Shante's Have a Nice Day at about 8am on a cold miserable morning, it cheered me up no end.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Chicory on April 03, 2021, 07:29:32 PM
So glad Kershaw has gone

I did All Killer, No Filler back in 2009. They accidentally forgot to hang up at the end of my call and I heard her slagging me off to the producer. Horrible woman.

Fucking hell. Did you make a complaint?
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Camp Tramp on April 03, 2021, 08:37:46 PM
Fucking hell. Did you make a complaint?

No I didn't. The thought didn't even occur to me to be honest.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Satchmo Distel on April 03, 2021, 09:02:28 PM
Still worth a listen on the weekend (I record them on my TV box, and fast-forward though all the songs!)

Maconie can be an annoying twat when he wants to convince you he knows everything when really his research is shallow. Radcliffe at least admits that he just looked it up 5 minutes ago on Wikipedia.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Schmo Diddley on April 03, 2021, 09:32:12 PM
Jamz Supernova filled in for Giles Peterson and was good. Great that she replaced that fossil Kershaw. Great line up now on a Saturday from Morgan through to Craig Charles.

Hobbs is terrible and plays some absolute rotten shite at times - a rave at 11am on a Friday is a sign of not knowing your audience. She clearly enjoys her show more than 99% of the listeners.

Laverne was spot on for that slot but she doesn’t have the patter for the morning slot - you need a bit more than straight-laced muso musings at that hour.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Norton Canes on April 03, 2021, 09:47:53 PM
Laverne: Competent and inoffensive but dull
Kershaw: Relic
Nemone: Fantastic taste in music, always look forward to her standing in
Ravenscroft: Chip off the old
Keavney: Moyles-tier deso. Unlistenable
Anne-Hobbs: Can't get past voice
Charles: Never been a huge fan but warming a bit to him recently, clearly a nice bloke. Plays funk and soul, job done.
Peterson: Always liked. Have also noticed more jazzy stuff and less electronica on his show lately though.
Morgan, Radcliffe, Maconie: Okay spose
Supernova: Not heard yet. Like the name though - am also tempted to adopt a pseudonym based on conserve-style product plus object related to death of a star: Honey Blackhole
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Norton Canes on April 03, 2021, 09:49:52 PM
Anyone heard Chris Hawkins, the guy on before Laverne? He's really awful. Like, you are surprised a national radio station employed someone so bad. 
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Pink Gregory on April 03, 2021, 09:55:01 PM
Anyone heard Chris Hawkins, the guy on before Laverne? He's really awful. Like, you are surprised a national radio station employed someone so bad.

He seems like a local radio drivetime guy who's out of his depth. Likely to start a phone-in about parking or bins.  Thrown to the sharks by the cruel, sniggering breakfast show bully ubermenachen.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on April 03, 2021, 09:56:28 PM
Is Hawkins the Welsh guy? I think I've heard him sit in on some other shows and it was a bit dull.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: lazyhour on April 03, 2021, 10:17:08 PM
Hawkins is so shockingly banal and inane. Just sounds like a generic English RadioPresenter3000 robot. Honkingly bad and in no way appropriate for 6music.

Lamacq should probably be retired too.

I'll not miss Robinson at all, even though he did once interview my band on his show.

Please next get rid of Mary Anne Hobbs and her whispery gushing over everything she plays. Thanks.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Clatty McCutcheon on April 03, 2021, 10:24:52 PM
I've only really heard him covering for other people, but at first I thought that Hawkins was that guy out of The Darkness.

It's fair to say that his on-air persona made more sense once I realised that he wasn't, and saw his actual photo.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on April 03, 2021, 10:32:19 PM
I can get people not liking Hobbs. But personally, if I'm working away and only half paying attention, I can lose track of time and the first track that marks the Keaveny show, usually some 90's northern britpop band descends upon my psyche like a cloud on a sunny day and rains down a load of listlessness directly into my brain. Quite viscerally mood-changing.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: holyzombiejesus on April 03, 2021, 10:33:27 PM
Adam & Joe about 10 years ago aside, I have never listened to 6 Music. I'd really like to but my DAB radio can't get a reception where I live now . Is it only people who listen on phones and laptops that hear this stuff?
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: crankshaft on April 03, 2021, 10:36:33 PM
Does anyone here like the current daytime weekday schedule? I find Shaun Keaveny utterly annoying in the afternoon and I don't really have much time for Mary Ann Hobbs anymore either. We have 6 music on all day at work and Mary Anne Hobbs is by far the most likely DJ to get turned off. I know Radcliffe and Maconie annoyed some people but I really miss them in the afternoon now. They did great interviews and when the banter was good they could be really funny.

No, can't stand them. Laverne is a great broadcaster saddled with doing Pitchfork New Music On The Radio over breakfast, which doesn't work. Mary Anne Hobbs playing club bangers in the AM is death. Keavney, who I like, sounds lost in the afternoon. Then it's Landfill Indie Fest For 50+ White Men with Lamacq. No thank you.

Weekends aren't much better; the "divorced dads at sports day" forced grinning of Radcliffe & Maconie is, once again, death. They're a duo consisting of one great, capable broadcaster and one Stuart Maconie, and it's shit. Break it up with unfunny novelty features ("Crisps On The Radio"! My sides!) and snippets of old TV themes and you get Radio Dignitas. Kershaw's departure can't come soon enough, either - awful broadcaster presenting a true smorgasbord of awkwardness on air, even before you read up on what she's like behind the scenes.

6 Music has bit too cosy. Loads of cosy muso mates getting shows on the air but also mysteriously making the playlist. A sense of "well hello there fellow kids" by having a desperate, see-what-sticks mishmash of new music with no throughline. Meanwhile there's wall-to-wall Idles clones from Lamacq. All mixed up with the occasional indie hit from pre-2000 so that 6 Music 50+ Dad Crew doesn't throw a wobbly. The whole thing needs a Bannister / Dann enema.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on April 03, 2021, 10:37:40 PM
Adam & Joe about 10 years ago aside, I have never listened to 6 Music. I'd really like to but my DAB radio can't get a reception where I live now . Is it only people who listen on phones and laptops that hear this stuff?

It's on freeview (and satellite/cable) as well if that helps.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Norton Canes on April 03, 2021, 10:40:50 PM
the "divorced dads at sports day" forced grinning of Radcliffe & Maconie is, once again, death. They're a duo consisting of one great, capable broadcaster and one Stuart Maconie

As always when people slate Maconie I have to say I broadly agree, but he is brilliant on The Freak Zone.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: crankshaft on April 03, 2021, 10:43:39 PM
As always when people slate Maconie I have to say I broadly agree, but he is brilliant on The Freak Zone.

Yeah, he's got good taste on Freak Zone, but his presenting style is awful, and I didn't appreciate him suddenly being all "actually I should have been nice about Cardiacs" 35 years too late when Tim Smith died. And I'm not even a fan.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on April 03, 2021, 10:44:30 PM
I'm also not really keen on Maconie and when paired with Radcliffe (who I don't mind) I agree it's like a more mature and slightly more learned smashy and nicey.

Another mildly annoying thing about 6 is they sometimes get interesting people to sit in, and then you never really hear from them again. It would be amazing if they gave someone like Pauline Black a residency, and Leila Moss was pretty amazing too
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Norton Canes on April 03, 2021, 10:51:18 PM
Oh, forgot Riley. Biggest obstacle to liking him is that teeth-grindingly fucking awful jingle he always kicks off his show with: "MAAARK MARK MARK MARK MARK MARK, MARK MAAARK! MARK MARK MARK MARK"

Pulling skin off face just thinking about it
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Head Gardener on April 03, 2021, 10:53:03 PM
I find Mary err.. Anne umm.. Hobbs hard work to listen to especially her insistence to shoe horn bloody station checks on just about every link, which may be some law she has to abide too but makes me change over to Radio 5 for a bit of respite and her 'I'm doing this a bit stoned' shtick is wearying. I bumped into/bought off Liz Kershaw several times over the years flogging her promo cd's at Milton Keynes car boots. It always surprised me that she was getting rid of stuff like Nick Cave and Tom Waits as many of the discs were still sealed like she never had any intention of playing them out and just turned them over for cash, pretty mercenary really. I always assumed she never played good stuff on her show anyway, though I never listened as her voice just got on my wick tbh.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on April 03, 2021, 10:53:44 PM
Oh, forgot Riley. Biggest obstacle to liking him is that teeth-grindingly fucking awful jingle he always kicks off his show with: "MAAARK MARK MARK MARK MARK MARK, MARK MAAARK! MARK MARK MARK MARK"

Pulling skin off face just thinking about it
He never used to burble and stumble over his words like he does with Maconie when he was with Riley did he?
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: shiftwork2 on April 03, 2021, 10:55:19 PM
Terrific news about Liz Kershaw.  She was a dog egg in a pretty good Saturday line up.  Still listen to Peterson and I’ve had a longstanding soft spot for Craig Charles.

During the week it’s not quite right.  Laverne doesn’t work at breakfast, Hobbs is unlistenable to me and Steve Lamacq is an unfathomable mystery with his dull taste, voice and anecdotes.  Keaveney is less bad in his current slot.  Have to confess I quite like Chris Hawkins.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: homesickalien on April 03, 2021, 10:58:49 PM
Not alot to add but as Keaveney seems to get a bit of stick I just wanted to say I like him. 

He has a good rapport and is sharp with people who phone in and guests.

I like Matt Everitt.

I've listened when there's some pretty depressing news stories going on and he has a good heart and his show has certainly lifted my spirits in those times.

His show is repetitive but I genuinely enjoy it. 
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: lankyguy95 on April 03, 2021, 11:00:44 PM
Mary Anne Hobbs frustrates me in that I frequently really like her musical choices but her voice is so cloying that I can't get through it.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: shiftwork2 on April 03, 2021, 11:07:07 PM
It’s not even the actual voice, it’s her presenting style.  Everything’s the most amazing thing ever and it’s exhausting to listen to.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on April 03, 2021, 11:07:17 PM
The time must rapidly be approaching when Radio 2 will cater to the over 50 indie dad crowd. What will 6 Music be then?
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: shiftwork2 on April 03, 2021, 11:10:44 PM
Radio 2 Extra, which it should have been called from outset.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Malcy on April 03, 2021, 11:13:05 PM
Mary Anne Hobbs frustrates me in that I frequently really like her musical choices but her voice is so cloying that I can't get through it.

I regularly shout at her to shut the fuck up and flick over to R2. She just drones on and on. " this is the latest release from an unknown Slovakian label with 2 members of staff who get their artists to record their tracks in an old cave in the hills of.." oh shut the fuck up!

The time must rapidly be approaching when Radio 2 will cater to the over 50 indie dad crowd. What will 6 Music be then?

I don't know about that. Increasing amounts of chart shite. You can hear the absolute boredom in Ken Bruce's voice as he tries to sound like what he has just played is any good.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: lankyguy95 on April 03, 2021, 11:39:48 PM
It’s not even the actual voice, it’s her presenting style.  Everything’s the most amazing thing ever and it’s exhausting to listen to.
Yeah but it's also the actual voice.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Phil_A on April 04, 2021, 12:35:22 AM
Hawkins has had an impressively long career at the station given his evident mediocrity. I guess being the guy who's willing to do all the shitty early slots counts for a lot.

Regardless of the individual DJs, the biggest problem with 6 during weekdays, and this is definitely something that becomes apparent when you're listening all day, is that the playlist gives everything a stultifying, suffocating uniformity. You know you're going to be hearing the same few tunes played over and over again regardless of who's hosting, and it's clear that element of the station's music policy overrides everything else. I don't know how many times I've heard that one song by Dry Cleaning and I'm not sure I could actually tell you how it goes. Everything has to be "on message" all the time

My feeling is that, having narrowly avoided getting shut-down a decade ago, once the station finally established a schedule that was actually growing an audience, they've been unwilling to make any dramatic changes to the existing line-up. When they did the last big schedule reshuffle a couple of years back there was the opportunity to get some new talent in but instead it was like musical chairs but they forgot to take any of the chairs away.

It's notable that there are no comedians hosting now, no equivalent to what Adam & Joe used to do. I think the last attempt at that was Peter Serafinowicz's sadly short-lived weekend show - nine years ago! I also really miss Jarvis's Sunday Service.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Tokyo van Ramming on April 04, 2021, 07:49:09 AM
Is Hawkins the Welsh guy? I think I've heard him sit in on some other shows and it was a bit dull.

He isn't Welsh. You're probably thinking of Huw Stephens.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Jockice on April 04, 2021, 08:31:11 AM
Just to defend Lamacq he's of the same age group as me (just checked. He's nearly a year older) and obviously grew up listening to the same music as I did. His show does contain quite a bit of landfill but occasionally he plays an absolute gem that I'd forgotten about.

(Suppose you're wanting my 'meeting Lamacq' story. It was at a concert circa 1991, which he was reviewing for the NME but they hadn't supplied him with a hotel room, so he had nowhere to stay. So in a fit of kindness (and because the woman I was with that night was an NME freelancer, which is how I ended up speaking to him) I said he could stay at my parents' place. They wouldn't have minded. They were okay about that sort of thing. Mum would even have made breakfast for him. (Un)fortunately I managed to lose him before the end of the night, haven't a clue where he stayed and have never met him since. He was also at journalism college with a mate of mine but they never stayed in touch.)

I don't usually have Six Music on until the afternoon during the week anyway. Mornings are TV news then a bit of Five Live, usually till 1pm. So it's Keaveney and Lamacq for me, then it's back to the telly. Saturdays I usually have a bit of Radcliffe and Maconie, then Huey Morgan and I then switch over to Gambaccini on Radio Two and usually leave it on that channel because despite myself I quite like Rylan and I find Gilles Peterson's show incredibly boring. If I still have the radio on I usually go back to Six for Craig Charles, who I like.

Sundays are the only days I ever have Six Music on all day (and that's only very occasional) but I'm going to say something controversial here. Amy Lame's show is much better than Jarvis Cocker's ever was. And yes, I know I know him and all that, but I found his show very hard work. It may just have been me but after a few weeks of trying very hard to convince myself I liked it I just gave up.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: OnlyRegisteredSoICanRead on April 04, 2021, 09:04:42 AM
The time must rapidly be approaching when Radio 2 will cater to the over 50 indie dad crowd. What will 6 Music be then?

I still feel a bit sorry for the fans of old Radio 2, no one else is playing that indescribably boring Perry Como or whatever it was they used to play back in the day.

Ah, the good old days of playing Elite till 3 in the morning, when Radio 2 was the only channel on FM radio. Tell the kids of today that, and blah blah.

Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Jockice on April 04, 2021, 09:16:30 AM
Anyone heard Chris Hawkins, the guy on before Laverne? He's really awful. Like, you are surprised a national radio station employed someone so bad.

I'm a bit of an insomniac so sometimes have him on. He's unremarkable.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: The Mollusk on April 04, 2021, 10:26:07 AM
I still think Marc Riley is one of the best in terms of musical content, he’s got such good taste, but as mentioned above the constant rotation of the same small handful of jingles is annoying as fuck. He is generally very cute and loveable but his shtick is pretty repetitive on the whole.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Brundle-Fly on April 04, 2021, 10:59:07 AM
No, can't stand them. Laverne is a great broadcaster saddled with doing Pitchfork New Music On The Radio over breakfast, which doesn't work. Mary Anne Hobbs playing club bangers in the AM is death. Keavney, who I like, sounds lost in the afternoon. Then it's Landfill Indie Fest For 50+ White Men with Lamacq. No thank you.

Weekends aren't much better; the "divorced dads at sports day" forced grinning of Radcliffe & Maconie is, once again, death. They're a duo consisting of one great, capable broadcaster and one Stuart Maconie, and it's shit. Break it up with unfunny novelty features ("Crisps On The Radio"! My sides!) and snippets of old TV themes and you get Radio Dignitas. Kershaw's departure can't come soon enough, either - awful broadcaster presenting a true smorgasbord of awkwardness on air, even before you read up on what she's like behind the scenes.

6 Music has bit too cosy. Loads of cosy muso mates getting shows on the air but also mysteriously making the playlist. A sense of "well hello there fellow kids" by having a desperate, see-what-sticks mishmash of new music with no throughline. Meanwhile there's wall-to-wall Idles clones from Lamacq. All mixed up with the occasional indie hit from pre-2000 so that 6 Music 50+ Dad Crew doesn't throw a wobbly. The whole thing needs a Bannister / Dann enema.

You pretty much have nailed it for me. I've warmed to Keavney, I have to say. Sometimes wish he'd drop some of the deadpan schtick. It's alright for a bit but it lacks sincerity if everything is couched in inverted commas. I wish they'd get the Chart Music Podcast gang on as DJs or even at the very least give Al Needham a slot. He'd be mint and skill.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: jobotic on April 04, 2021, 11:07:33 AM
Does Kershaw mention how refugees risking their lives are affecting house prices in Kingsdown ever? She should be on Times radio.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Norton Canes on April 04, 2021, 11:10:30 AM
I wish they'd get the Chart Music Podcast gang on as DJs or even at the very least give Al Needham a slot. He'd be mint and skill.

I think I posited this on another thread recently, but there's definitely an alternative universe where the Melody Maker journos (Stubbs, Parkes, Price etc.) ended up with all the plum radio presenting jobs and the NME crew skulk around making (relatively) obscure podcasts.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Chicory on April 04, 2021, 12:46:38 PM
I still think Marc Riley is one of the best in terms of musical content, he’s got such good taste, but as mentioned above the constant rotation of the same small handful of jingles is annoying as fuck.

Those jingles are irritating as hell. In particular - "Something something chips on radio 6" and the "we doobie-doobie-do" one by that vocal group who sound like they need to sack a couple of members.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Camp Tramp on April 04, 2021, 01:01:35 PM
You pretty much have nailed it for me. I've warmed to Keavney, I have to say. Sometimes wish he'd drop some of the deadpan schtick. It's alright for a bit but it lacks sincerity if everything is couched in inverted commas. I wish they'd get the Chart Music Podcast gang on as DJs or even at the very least give Al Needham a slot. He'd be mint and skill.

Taylor Parkes did have the occasional segment on Jarvis's show.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: homesickalien on April 04, 2021, 01:17:05 PM
Regardless of the individual DJs, the biggest problem with 6 during weekdays, and this is definitely something that becomes apparent when you're listening all day, is that the playlist gives everything a stultifying, suffocating uniformity. You know you're going to be hearing the same few tunes played over and over again regardless of who's hosting, and it's clear that element of the station's music policy overrides everything else. I don't know how many times I've heard that one song by Dry Cleaning and I'm not sure I could actually tell you how it goes. Everything has to be "on message" all the time

I agree - the playlist is probably the most annoying thing for me.

Spot on and funny observations in this thread - I love 6Music but its certainly a frustrating listening experience where I have to turn over to Radio 2 or whatever quite regularly.

I'm also with the poster who said for music content they like Marc Riley's show the best - I can't wait for him to get live bands on again.  I'd much rather hear that than repeats of the A-Z of punk or whatever (good as that is)
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Brundle-Fly on April 04, 2021, 01:35:42 PM
I think I posited this on another thread recently, but there's definitely an alternative universe where the Melody Maker journos (Stubbs, Parkes, Price etc.) ended up with all the plum radio presenting jobs and the NME crew skulk around making (relatively) obscure podcasts.

Yes, it's funny how the NME launched all those presenting careers but MM did not. I wonder if Marijne van der Vlugt out of Britpop also rans, Salad feels the same injustice about Lauren Laverne.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Camp Tramp on April 04, 2021, 01:37:45 PM
Yes, it's funny how the NME launched all those presenting careers but MM did not. I wonder if Marijne van der Vlugt out of Britpop also rans, Salad feels the same injustice about Lauren Laverne.

Of course the MM writer who did make it is the most obnoxious of the lot.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: iamcoop on April 04, 2021, 03:15:23 PM
No mentions for Gideon Coe?

I think he’s better than Marc Riley these days.

As for Kershaw I always thought she came across as a horrible person but seeing her pop up on a news show doing the whole “I own a string of properties and increasing rights for tenants is a terrible thing, oh won’t someone think of the poor poor millionaire landlords” routine she can get in grave even further.

With regards to Sean Keaveny if he’s going to continue to be paid over 150k of license fee payers money per year I think the least he could do is freshen up the shtick that he has literally been peddling for decades now.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: idunnosomename on April 04, 2021, 03:37:22 PM
Does Kershaw mention how refugees risking their lives are affecting house prices in Kingsdown ever? She should be on Times radio.
she is such a vile rotten racist and general opinionated bigot I'm surprised it hasn't got more mention here

https://twitter.com/LizKershawDJ/status/1079353427518545921

and this sort of shit
https://twitter.com/LizKershawDJ/status/1219321284405944320
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Brundle-Fly on April 04, 2021, 03:53:42 PM
Of course the MM writer who did make it is the most obnoxious of the lot.

I take it you mean Caitlin Moran?
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: daf on April 04, 2021, 04:01:13 PM
Caitlin Moran?

Potential H-Bomb!
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Brundle-Fly on April 04, 2021, 04:10:02 PM
Potential H-Bomb!

The Queen wrote for Melody Maker?
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: mobias on April 04, 2021, 04:26:15 PM

With regards to Sean Keaveny if he’s going to continue to be paid over 150k of license fee payers money per year I think the least he could do is freshen up the shtick that he has literally been peddling for decades now.

I absolutely don't get the appeal of Keaveny in the slightest. For me he's by far the most annoying DJ on 6 music. Its a real shame he's on the slot he is as the afternoon at my work (and I'm sure many peoples) really drags on and I could do with an engaging DJ at that time playing decent tunes. One of the things I miss about Radcliffe and Maconie on at that time is they did do really good interesting interviews with people - authors, musicians, people in the music industry and that sort of thing. I also discovered the joys of 'Sploosh' by Ozric Tentacles after Rad Mac repeatedly playing it. I enjoyed their angle on music. 
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: The Mollusk on April 04, 2021, 05:34:35 PM
Hi I’m Shaun Keaveny. Listen to me say something extremely dry and then pause the backing music and leave a hilariously uncomfortable silence after it. That never gets old.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Goldentony on April 04, 2021, 06:03:33 PM
mate shouted GIZ A JOB at Lamacq once, think it was just after he list his Radio 1 gig or something, would have made the most sense
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: good times on April 04, 2021, 06:25:15 PM
Glad to see some other people on this thread baffled by Chris Hawkins' existence on 6. The first couple of times I heard him I had to google to see who the hell he was to see if there was some sort of nepotism at play, he was that out of place. Turns out he's been there since the very launch of the station - baffling.

I'm off to read up on Liz Kershaw's antics given some of the comments on this thread, she's always been annoying as fuck - typical thick northerner bollocks (I'm northern) but didn't realise she was also potentially a nasty piece of work.

Can I just throw out there that every time I listen to Marc Riley I understand a little bit more why Mark E Smith gave him a slap, without being able to actually explain why.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: iamcoop on April 04, 2021, 07:07:11 PM
Hi I’m Shaun Keaveny. Listen to me say something extremely dry and then pause the backing music and leave a hilariously uncomfortable silence after it. That never gets old.

Can’t decide if it’s the awkward silence or the “HA!” he does after it that’s worse.

Interminable.

Anyway coming up after EMF we’ve got Matt Everitt with some exciting Shed Seven news.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: The Mollusk on April 04, 2021, 07:18:06 PM
I do feel a bit bad for slagging off Keaveny since I was once a regular listener to his breakfast show about 15 years ago. I worked nights and I liked to come home and smoke a joint and zone out to the radio. I used to text in a lot and often they got read out. One day I got a phone call asking me if I wanted to be on Toast The Nation celebrating my little home town, which I did, and it was a lot of fun. I made a smart joke about how it’s a pig town because it’s the home of the Reliant Robin (“plastic pig”), the pure swine breed of Sandy Back pigs, and Robert Peel lived there for a while before he fucked off to London and invented the constabulary. This high calibre of intelligent wit earned me a place in Keaveny’s autobiography mentioned as one of his favourite TTN callers.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on April 04, 2021, 07:42:31 PM
I never texted proper radio (although have done on pirates) but Mary Anne Hobbs gave me and some others a couple of shout-outs because she used to post on a DnB forum I went on a little bit.

Is Keavney still expressing faux surprise that albums now come out on Fridays? That never gets old!
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: poo on April 04, 2021, 09:33:16 PM
It’s fucking great and basically free.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: popcorn on April 04, 2021, 10:46:50 PM
Intrigued by all the slagging off going on in this thread. I've been listening to 6Music randomly for years and I still don't know who any of the presenters are other than the bloke off Red Dwarf, oh and that boring old guy who seems to play the Fall exclusively and possibly was in the Fall, I'm not sure. I find a few new tracks to add to my Spotify likes each week.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on April 05, 2021, 01:43:23 AM
That 'boring old guy' is Marc Riley, and yes he was once in The Fall*. He was also once known as Lard, as in Mark & Lard, the Radio 1 dee-jays who hosted a magnificent late evening show in the '90s.

They proved so popular, Fab FM decided that they'd be perfect as breakfast show hosts. They weren't, if only because their sense of humour and good taste (they openly took the piss out of some of the music they were forced to play) was never going to appeal to the masses at that time of the morning. They were then shunted over to an afternoon slot, which was a much better fit, but they were still never able to recapture the magic of that 'anarchic' and rather esoteric late night show.

Riley is an endearing chap and a good broadcaster. I share his taste in psychedelic/garage-type music, so perhaps I'm biased.

* The only time I've ever heard him play The Fall was just after Mark E. Smith died, although I daresay he's played them on other occasions.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: popcorn on April 05, 2021, 01:47:25 AM
Yes that's the chap. Thanks. He seems to play exactly the same song over and over and over again.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on April 05, 2021, 01:51:54 AM
Fair enough. I like most of the music he plays.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: AllisonSays on April 05, 2021, 08:11:25 AM
The only show I listen to religiously is Tom Ravenscroft, on the app. He's awkward and stilted and a profoundly bad interviewer, but I like his taste in music and the absence of forced gimmicks or features. Otherwise I sometimes stick it in in the kitchen but I feel like it's years since I listened to it regularly and it is the same presenters, the same bad crack and mostly the same records. My partner has an irrational violent hatred for people talking over music stings or beds, so she is constantly pissed off by it.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: earl_sleek on April 05, 2021, 09:37:04 AM
Actually my least favourite thing about 6 Music is not any presenter but the trailers. They're all unmeasurably smug.

And the station idents. "6.... (massive, epochal gap)....Music."
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Huxleys Babkins on April 05, 2021, 09:59:39 AM
Yeah, the jingles are awful, especially when the station is as milquetoast as it is. They are dangerously close to “Coming up... (massive gap) Tony Blackburn’s Sounds of the Sixties. But first... (massive gap filled with low pass filtered version of his “big show” theme) Steve Wright... In the afternoo-si-si-six-six-BB-six-BC-six-BBC Six Music-noon. On BBC Six Music. Music. *whispering* BBC Six Music.”
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Brundle-Fly on April 05, 2021, 11:00:56 AM
Actually my least favourite thing about 6 Music is not any presenter but the trailers. They're all unmeasurably smug.


Yes, the usual sing-songy downward inflection and occasional vocal distortion to sound kooky. So corny now.

And I like Don Letts as much as the next person, but the way he self eulogises his love of ALL kinds of music is such a load of old wank. All the 6Music DJs declare this 'unique' quality. You're not special; most of the station's listeners love ALL kinds of music, that's why they tune in. 

And Don? Stop banging on about being in the West London punk/ reggae scene in the 1970s. I've seen your private photo collection more than my own holiday snaps. We know. You've been reminding us since 1986.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Chicory on April 05, 2021, 11:06:53 AM
There used to be a jingle where some bloke says "6... Mu... sic" and it sounded like he'd just been woken up and forced to read the words off a piece of paper at gunpoint.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Nice Relaxing Poo on April 05, 2021, 11:13:48 AM
Add me to the "Six....Music..." jingle hater list. They must play some form of it about 100 times a day.

I only ever listen while travelling between work sites for my job in a van so thankfully Keaveny just sounds like a low mumble backed by the Bergerac theme. MAH is another one I can't stand to listen to. Not because of her music tastes, more because of her dull as ditchwater voice and away with the fairy people chatter. Also the "Hey Mary, haven't heard this Napalm Death tune in years, am currently dancing around the kitchen to it, thanks!" messages can get in grave.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: daf on April 05, 2021, 11:42:46 AM
I liked it when Mark and Lard used to interject little bits of business during the obligatory the radio 1 trailers :

"Evening" (Lard : "drinking") "Session"
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: PaulTMA on April 05, 2021, 11:51:12 AM
Even just reading this thread is giving me a nosebleed.  Can't believe anyone would leave it on for hours at a time
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Janie Jones on April 05, 2021, 11:54:21 AM
Loved reading this thread, I was reading so many individual posts out to my partner, saying, ‘Listen to this, it’s spot on,’ that I gave up and sent him the whole thread.

I’m not on Twitter and I can’t do memes but if I could, I’d do some sort of happy air-punch with, ‘That feeling you get when Huw Edwards [or Tom Ravenscroft] is sitting in for Steve Lamacq [or Hobbs]’

I think Craig Charles played a blinder sitting in for Lamacq for what seemed like the whole of Lockdown #1. Somehow he was just right for that strange time and the fact that he’d blithely play 5 records in a row by black female artists without any Lamacqian throat-clearing patronising fuss about strong women who know their own minds or other such bilge, was very refreshing. Knowing that CC was absolutely fucked the whole time didn’t bother me (Radcliffe and Maconie aren’t above making a barbed comment about his legendary intake of substances while broadcasting), likewise I don’t mind Tom Robinson being the wrong side of a bottle of Malbec on most of his live shows, I will miss him.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Phil_A on April 05, 2021, 12:26:35 PM
There used to be a jingle where some bloke says "6... Mu... sic" and it sounded like he'd just been woken up and forced to read the words off a piece of paper at gunpoint.

There used to be a generic sting they used between shows which was very obviously just someone disinterestedly going "Hoooo-oooh-woooh-ooh-oooooh!" through a distortion filter, which always amused me as to how pathetic it was.

I really detest those stings/trailers as they just seem to me to be trying to enforce a "We're all part of the same big cuddly 6 Music family" atmosphere, which feeds into the thing of shows not really being allowed to have an individual identity as everything has to be part of the same "brand". Stuff like of every daytime DJ having to play "Album Of The Day" tracks even when it's music they clearly aren't interested in and wouldn't usually play. You can sense some of the presenters chafing against that, I'm sure Radcliffe & Maconie have made a few sly remarks about it over the years.

Although speaking of Maconie, it bugs me that for so many years he has completely dominated the "weird" music end of the station's output with the Freak Zone/Freakier Zone, and has often been remarked on, his surface-level knowledge on a lot of this stuff is extremely frustrating. I reckon someone like Charles Hazelwood would be great in that area, I remember his Radio 2 shows back in the day being wonderfully strange and eclectic.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Brundle-Fly on April 05, 2021, 12:38:39 PM
Also the "Hey Mary, haven't heard this Napalm Death tune in years, am currently dancing around the kitchen to it, thanks!"

You forgot to add "grinning like a loon", Poo.

Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Norton Canes on April 05, 2021, 12:40:10 PM
Liked the custom trailer they did for their Kraftwerk week a while ago, basically because when it said 'sechs music' it sounded like 'sex music'
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Harry Badger on April 05, 2021, 12:48:07 PM
I find I'm listening less and less these days to 6music but will definitely give Blessed Madonna a listen, she's done some excellent guest spots and plays my kind of tunes. These days if I have the radio on (I've got one of those Roberts Internet Radios in the kitchen) it's tuned to FIP all day and I've even started listening to some of the late night shows on Radio 3.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: The Mollusk on April 05, 2021, 01:27:30 PM
The bouncy up-and-down tone of Don Letts’ voice makes me want to fill my ears with jam and stick my head in a wasps nest.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: lazyhour on April 05, 2021, 02:02:48 PM
Having had a whinge earlier in this thread, I feel I should add that I listen to 6music almost every day, and there's lots to like about it. I'm glad it exists, but there's not many radio stations that couldn't be improved upon.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: popcorn on April 05, 2021, 02:06:36 PM
I fucking love 6music.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: good times on April 05, 2021, 02:24:42 PM
On the subject of 6 music jingles, I used to fucking hate the period around the turn of the year where every fucking ident was one/a bunch of their DJs earnestly going on about the “healing power of music” in these “troubled times” etc blah blah blah

It’s like - I’m making fucking breakfast mate, I wasn’t depressed before but I sure as shit am now you’ve reminded me at length about how terrible everything is.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Brundle-Fly on April 05, 2021, 02:26:03 PM
What I don't understand is how the scheduling is worked out.  Why does it suddenly get mid-40s/ over 50s friendlier in the afternoons? Old TV theme tunes, parlour games, puns, trivia, nostalgic observational humour, Undertones et al records, were you at Glasto '95, man!... etc?

Or it used to. I stopped listening regularly a while ago because I've gone back to my record collection and also getting sick of hearing the news discussing Brex-Vid.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Camp Tramp on April 05, 2021, 02:42:54 PM
I find Kid Critics on Lamacq totally hokey and pointless. Everything about that segment is designed to irritate me.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Chicory on April 05, 2021, 02:46:01 PM
I really detest those stings/trailers as they just seem to me to be trying to enforce a "We're all part of the same big cuddly 6 Music family" atmosphere, which feeds into the thing of shows not really being allowed to have an individual identity as everything has to be part of the same "brand". Stuff like of every daytime DJ having to play "Album Of The Day" tracks even when it's music they clearly aren't interested in and wouldn't usually play. You can sense some of the presenters chafing against that, I'm sure Radcliffe & Maconie have made a few sly remarks about it over the years.

It's definitely become more evangelical in recent years. We have to be reminded that everything ever recorded by Sleaford No Mates D.C. Cleaning is fantastic and must be hyped up to the max. Hobbs is at the absolute vanguard of that gushing "all music is amaaaaazing" style of presenting.  There's a sense that the daytime schedule has mutated into something that's less about DJs playing random stuff they're into and more to do with just flat out doing the bidding of record companies.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on April 05, 2021, 04:48:36 PM
I would have to echo the complaints about the playlist. I started listening to the station after it was saved from closure and, at first, it seemed great. After a couple of days, however, I was already finding the daytime shows rather boring.

I mostly tune in while I'm in the kitchen, so I only tend to hear the odd ten minutes during the day, then an hour or so of Marc Riley in the evenings.

The stings can chuff off as well. The way that one goes "At 9:00, Giideon Ceeyoe" is smugger sounding than the actual Sting.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on April 05, 2021, 04:50:26 PM
"Hello music lover!"

fuck off.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Joy Nktonga on April 05, 2021, 05:05:21 PM
Nemone for two weeks. Get in.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: earl_sleek on April 05, 2021, 05:28:43 PM
Nemone's great. Would love her to have the breakfast slot, or any regular daytime programme.

Gemma Cairney has been fairly good covering for Laverne as well - not a radical change, but a bit less gushy, and better music choices.

I like Mary Anne Hobbes, but that is partly down to goodwill I have for her for her past work, it's hard to argue she's doing her best work at the moment and I can understand why she annoys people. I do find her inappropriate song choices funny though.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: poodlefaker on April 05, 2021, 05:43:31 PM
The bouncy up-and-down tone of Don Letts’ voice makes me want to fill my ears with jam and stick my head in a wasps nest.
He sounds as if he has spent hours writing out his patter and is reading it off a sheet of paper.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Norton Canes on April 05, 2021, 06:11:09 PM
Nemone for two weeks

For who?
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Joy Nktonga on April 05, 2021, 07:00:43 PM
For who?
Lavern.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: greencalx on April 05, 2021, 07:39:53 PM
Radio 6 in the kitchen. 3 in the dining room. Except when the latter goes into one of its “let’s talk about one chord in broken English for 45 minutes before playing an excerpt of said chord and then talking some more” moods which seems to be increasingly often in lockdown. Then it’s over to 6 or an internet station.

This means I mostly get the Peterson / Charles handover on a Saturday evening, Lamé / Now Playing on Sunday, plus Lamacq if I’m unlucky during the week and Riley if I do anything at the computer after dinner during the week. We quite like Now Playing over dinner on a Sunday, when 3 is being obnoxious with Words and Fecking Music. Taught us the difference between reggae, ska, rocksteady and two-tone, and introduced me to Leonard Cohen. Quite like Robinson’s schtick in that - will he still be hosting that, or has this been put out to pasture too?

Can’t be dealing with Keaveney. Too Moylesy for my taste, and not in a good way.

I met Steve Lamacq at a charity do once. He was surprisingly thin and VERY weedy.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Wayman C. McCreery on April 05, 2021, 08:08:23 PM
Despite its flaws it’s still streets ahead of the other mainstream alternative music stations. Have you seen the Radio X playlist? https://www.radiox.co.uk/radio/playlist/

That said, the 6 Music playlist is its main problem. The Rajar figures show that more people are listening for longer, so they should either put more songs on the list or reduce how much they play the songs. I adore Dry Cleaning, but I’ll hear Strong Feelings 10 times a week if I have the radio on every day while I work. Over a month that’s 30 plays, which is more plays than whatever my most listened-to song on Spotify will get for the year. It’s enough to make me never want to hear to the songs I love again.

They should certainly bin off the playlist at weekends once Radcliffe and Maconie have been on, at least for Huey’s sake who introduces every song he hasn’t picked with a dismissive “Here’s one from the playlist.”

While the lineup’s probably overdue a shakeup, I don’t have any strong opinions about the weekday daytime presenters. Except Lamacq who should just be given an indie disco show on a Friday night. As Janie Jones said, Craig Charles was a treat in the his slot during the first lockdown and would be my first choice to replace him. He seemed to be having a whale of a time whether he was playing funk and soul or something off the playlist and we didn’t have to put up with Lamacq’s terrible features (and I’m not talking about those ears, readers!!!!).

I occasionally dip into a 6 Music Facebook group that’s full of bald dads who complain about any presenters who aren’t Radcliffe and Maconie. I don’t mind them, but it’s probably time for them to clear off too. I’m not sure the station needs more white men, but I’d hope Elis James and John Robins could move into that slot. Their 5 Live show is pretty good now after a ropey start, and I think they’re bigger music fans than Adam and Joe ever were.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on April 05, 2021, 08:13:19 PM
The change from Xfm to Radio X is so baffling, take a modernish station and fill it with a bunch of has-beens who all peaked two decades ago. Radio for tired QASHQAI dads.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: WhoMe on April 05, 2021, 09:30:45 PM
Think I like the idea of 6 Music more than the reality. Gilles Peterson and Huey Morgan are generally good but I never tune in when they're on live, so if I dip in to see what's on it's usually Brit Pop, Indie or someone droning away which I can't be doing with. Surprised to hear there's a 6 Music playlist, I thought the ethos of the station was more 'play what you like' as opposed to Radio 1 or 2. NTS and Worldwide FM feel like what 6 Music could or should be, if it weren't bogged down with the institutional jobs-for-the-boys baggage.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: The Mollusk on April 05, 2021, 09:36:47 PM
I like Mary Anne Hobbes, but that is partly down to goodwill I have for her for her past work, it's hard to argue she's doing her best work at the moment and I can understand why she annoys people. I do find her inappropriate song choices funny though.

I was thinking recently it’s weird to consider her trajectory over the years. When I was 14 I used to love listening to her doing the rock show playing Deftones and Mad Capsule Markets, then in my early 20s when I got massively into the burgeoning dubstep scene it was great to hear her championing so much of that amazing stuff from the likes of Digital Mystikz and Horsepower Productions. I’ve not listened to what she’s up to now but sounds like she’s not suited to a morning slot at all.

I can see how her style of presenting grates on the listener. Me and a couple mates always used to amuse each other by describing any new Burial releases as “devastatingly beautiful” in her silky sexy tone.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: pigamus on April 05, 2021, 09:51:26 PM
You know Nemone, when you first saw her name did you think it rhymed with 'lemony', and do you still think that would be much nicer, okay it's just me cheers
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: DrGreggles on April 05, 2021, 09:56:45 PM
I remember Nemone from being rent-a-stand-in on Radio 1, and generally being an improvement.
She replaced Moyles for a couple of weeks and that meant that I didn't turn off straight after Mark & Lard.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: jobotic on April 05, 2021, 09:57:19 PM
Tell you who plays some right good records - Lisa Tarbuck on Radio 2. She also appears to be a bit pissed on occasion, in a fun way.

I never listen to 6 Music.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Head Gardener on April 05, 2021, 10:09:57 PM
Lavern.
. Thank you SO much!
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: iamcoop on April 05, 2021, 11:23:51 PM
As The Mollusk mentioned above I’ll always have affection for Mary Anne Hobbs as her rock show on Radio 1 back in the day basically shaped most of my musical taste throughout my teens.

I remember being on a boring holiday in the highlands with my parents when I was about 12 listening to her show on my little radio in bed and hearing Soup Is Good Food by The Dead Kennedy’s basically changed my life. She can do no wrong in my eyes for that alone.

Can I also echo what a few others have said and state I have an immense amount of love for 6 Music so my gripes about it come from a place of love really.

Keaveny being grave is a hill I’m prepared to die on though.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Wayman C. McCreery on April 05, 2021, 11:44:54 PM
Surprised to hear there's a 6 Music playlist, I thought the ethos of the station was more 'play what you like' as opposed to Radio 1 or 2.

Not having a playlist always sounds like a fun idea, but mainstream radio stations need one. Stations need an identity and ratings, and 6 Music would lose both if Steve Lamacq chose the music for 15 hours a week.

And I’m going to guess that it’s in the BBC’s remit to make sure that the music played represents the diversity of the station’s audience. A playlist helps enforce that.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: PaulTMA on April 05, 2021, 11:51:20 PM
No playlist on WFMU plus I've never heard them play Field Music or even mention Record Store Day
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: SpiderChrist on April 06, 2021, 08:21:16 AM

And I like Don Letts as much as the next person, but the way he self eulogises his love of ALL kinds of music is such a load of old wank. All the 6Music DJs declare this 'unique' quality. You're not special; most of the station's listeners love ALL kinds of music, that's why they tune in. 

And Don? Stop banging on about being in the West London punk/ reggae scene in the 1970s. I've seen your private photo collection more than my own holiday snaps. We know. You've been reminding us since 1986.

Oh God, thank you for saying it. Don Letts is an insufferably smug prick.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: amateur on April 06, 2021, 08:49:40 AM
Not having a playlist always sounds like a fun idea, but mainstream radio stations need one. Stations need an identity and ratings, and 6 Music would lose both if Steve Lamacq chose the music for 15 hours a week.

And I’m going to guess that it’s in the BBC’s remit to make sure that the music played represents the diversity of the station’s audience. A playlist helps enforce that.

Bang on.

People who listen to a radio station all day always hate the playlist. That's because generally, most people don't listen to one radio station all day - average listening is about an hour or something.

The idea should be that you get a flavour of everything if you listen for an hour - playlist, old stuff, new stuff, features etc. It doesn't always work like that, but that's the idea. Playlists aren't designed to piss people off.

Oh, and the reason you'll hear a station name so often, and in so many different ways, is because RAJAR listening figures are dependent on you remembering what station you listened to when. Best way to do that is say the station name as often as possible, because you've got to remember it and write it down in a diary.

GOOD OLD RADIO
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: poodlefaker on April 06, 2021, 08:50:07 AM
I like the contrast on a Saturday evening from ultra-cool Nonrth Londoner Gilles Peterson, playing obscure jazz, moody electronica, bossa nova, speaking French; to loud scouse gobshite Craig Charles, ringing bells, honking horns, shouting AWOOGA, doing the whole Hairy Cornflake bit and playing something stupidly obvious like "Soul Man". Both highly enjoyable in their own way.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: poo on April 07, 2021, 07:56:10 AM
Yep. Fuck me so much whinging.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Phil_A on April 07, 2021, 08:57:44 AM
Bang on.

People who listen to a radio station all day always hate the playlist. That's because generally, most people don't listen to one radio station all day - average listening is about an hour or something.

The idea should be that you get a flavour of everything if you listen for an hour - playlist, old stuff, new stuff, features etc. It doesn't always work like that, but that's the idea. Playlists aren't designed to piss people off.


Except they do, because in practice playlists are a terrible idea. No station has ever been improved by going from a free music selection to an enforced playlist. Case in point, XFM pre-Capital takeover and afterwards.

And lots of people do listen to one radio station all day, especially in the office where you don't always have a choice of listening. Playlists are the bane of the drudge worker's life.

I mean okay, to be fair 6 isn't like Magic FM or something and the DJs have a good degree of choice in their selections, but that just makes the playlisted songs feel all the more redundant. Why does a station like 6, which I believe has one of the biggest audience shares on the digital platform, still need to insist on every daytime show including the same tracks?
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: OnlyRegisteredSoICanRead on April 07, 2021, 09:05:53 AM
Didn't they find they played less music on BBC Radio 1 when they scraped the playlist?
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Camp Tramp on April 07, 2021, 09:09:59 AM
I certainly think that there should be a hard maximum on how often a playlist song is aired, once a day perhaps. Maybe a timelimit as well?  I'll have the radio on for about 6 hours a day and I get fed up of certain songs which are overplayed.

Expand the playlist so that more and new bands get their chance to gain exposure.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on April 07, 2021, 09:42:51 AM
I had a summer job working on a weighbridge at a tip with just a radio for company and even Radio 2, which is a lot better than the commercial stations, still depressed me in a sort-of groundhog day fashion with each presenter playing the same tunes.

In the end I was coming in with a handful of cd's under my arm. And one of the blokes that worked on site gave me an Amon Duul cd to listen to.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: amateur on April 07, 2021, 10:20:52 AM
And lots of people do listen to one radio station all day, especially in the office where you don't always have a choice of listening. Playlists are the bane of the drudge worker's life.

The figures don't bear that out. From the last listening figures (PDF) (https://www.rajar.co.uk/docs/news/RAJAR_DataRelease_InfographicQ42019.pdf), the average listener takes in 20.3 hours of live radio a week which is just over three a day. Radio stations are going for that average listener who doesn't spend the whole day listening. If the average listener did listen to a station eight hours a day, you'd hear songs on a much longer rotation.

I certainly think that there should be a hard maximum on how often a playlist song is aired, once a day perhaps. Maybe a timelimit as well?  I'll have the radio on for about 6 hours a day and I get fed up of certain songs which are overplayed.

Expand the playlist so that more and new bands get their chance to gain exposure.

Seven plays a week for a new artist/song isn't great exposure. A playlist lets stations support an artist and throw some weight behind them in a way that would be much more fragmented if left to each DJ.

It also stops tracks getting over played if certain DJs love a new band - that's the other side of the coin.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Camp Tramp on April 07, 2021, 10:41:49 AM


Seven plays a week for a new artist/song isn't great exposure. A playlist lets stations support an artist and throw some weight behind them in a way that would be much more fragmented if left to each DJ.

It also stops tracks getting over played if certain DJs love a new band - that's the other side of the coin.

This makes sense, though hearing St Vincent multiple times per day gets a little irritating. I don't mind St Vincent but 6 Music seem very keen on her at the moment. She hardly qualifies as a new artist.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on April 07, 2021, 10:52:46 AM
They do manage to do that every now and then. There was a brief period where they couldn't stop blowing smoke up Vangoffy's arse despite them being a shit artist with a shit name.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: The Culture Bunker on April 07, 2021, 11:04:34 AM
Been interesting to read this thread, as I've barely listened to radio for over a decade now. Last consistent spell would have been 2007 when I worked in an office that let me choose the station to have on - I picked up on a local (Manchester) effort called Revolution that was OK. Played a fairly eclectic mix of indie, funk and soul. But I must have been one of about 10 people listening as it got bought out and went all modern pop.

I usually pick up new sounds these days by browsing random youtube videos until I find something that clicks with me, or the odd recommendation from others. Only time I remember listening to the radio these days is if I'm on a car trip with my dad, and we tune into R2 for Pop Master. Even that these days I don't do as well as I used to, as anything post 2000 I'm generally clueless on.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Phil_A on April 07, 2021, 01:48:33 PM
The figures don't bear that out. From the last listening figures (PDF) (https://www.rajar.co.uk/docs/news/RAJAR_DataRelease_InfographicQ42019.pdf), the average listener takes in 20.3 hours of live radio a week which is just over three a day. Radio stations are going for that average listener who doesn't spend the whole day listening. If the average listener did listen to a station eight hours a day, you'd hear songs on a much longer rotation.

Seven plays a week for a new artist/song isn't great exposure. A playlist lets stations support an artist and throw some weight behind them in a way that would be much more fragmented if left to each DJ.


My feeling is that the idea of playlists being there to help out the plucky newcomers sounds very noble, but the reality of it, especially in the commercial radio arena at least, is very different. 6 Music, to give them some credit, do put new artists on their playlist, but this has to be is a rare exception outside of BBC stations.

There's certainly nothing philanthropic about the way playlists are employed on any station owned by, say, Global, they aren't there to give a leg up to newcomers, rather to barrage the listener with the same few major label acts - a few years back it was Robbie Williams, Pink, Eliza Doolittle, Daft Punk etc, hardly struggling artists - over and over again to the point of inciting violence. I've been in workplaces were the radio(or multiple radios in some cases) is tuned to Heart FM as the only station all day, every day (usually environments were headphones/phones/mp3 players are forbidden so there's no escape from it with your own music), and it was sheer torture. It was so bad I started to formulate conspiracy theories that it was some kind of secret government brainwashing experiment as I could not figure out how anyone could stand it.

This has left me with a somewhat jaded view of the practice of radio playlists and I'm bit bemused why anyone outside of the business of radio itself would feel the need to defend it. I've always felt that's it's something no presenter really likes but it's tolerated as part of the job.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on April 07, 2021, 01:53:15 PM
On work used to pipe capital into the bogs. seriously worried if I hear Little Mix' Woman Like Me in Morrisons checkout it'll prompt a horrid pavlovian response.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: amateur on April 07, 2021, 01:55:06 PM
Morrisons in-store radio is fucking brilliant, in fairness.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Huxleys Babkins on April 07, 2021, 01:57:27 PM
Morrisons in-store radio is fucking brilliant, in fairness.

Home Bargains always seem to have decent tunes on when I’m in there. I don’t know if it’s a corporate-mandated playlist or the manager of my local store really being into classic soul and new wave, but I’ll take it.

Absolute have a “no repeat 9-5” policy, which I would have appreciated back when I worked in an office with a radio. Sure, it’s Absolute, but I still have PTSD from hearing Lifted, Baker Street and Mr. Blue Skies at least five times a day each, every day for five years when the old ladies insisted on Wave 105.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: idunnosomename on April 07, 2021, 01:59:16 PM
Heard Sultans of Swing in Morrisons once. Had to stay in there till the outro solo.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: amateur on April 07, 2021, 02:02:34 PM
Absolute have a “no repeat 9-5” policy, which I would have appreciated back when I worked in an office with a radio. Sure, it’s Absolute, but I still have PTSD from hearing Lifted, Baker Street and Mr. Blue Skies at least five times a day each, every day for five years when the old ladies insisted on Wave 105.
Absolute's no-repeat workday is great - only lasts the day though. You'll hear all the same songs the next day, just in a different order.

But so what? Radio is thriving. It reaches 88% of UK adults. The vast majority of people don't care about playlists or ads, it's just something that's there. And there's plenty of options for people who don't like those things.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on April 07, 2021, 02:22:39 PM
Morrisons in-store radio is fucking brilliant, in fairness.

I've noticed this, most of it's decent but you seem to get one or two quite unexpected bangers per shop.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Chriddof on April 07, 2021, 05:37:04 PM
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Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: poodlefaker on April 07, 2021, 05:51:32 PM
"Girlie Girlie" by Sophia George on Asda FM yesterday. Lovely stuff.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: pigamus on April 07, 2021, 07:12:23 PM
The worst is Wilko - they play this rerecorded stuff - it's awful
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: pigamus on April 07, 2021, 07:15:30 PM
"Girlie Girlie" by Sophia George on Asda FM yesterday. Lovely stuff.

Overkill by Men at Work in mine, I was mildly delighted
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on April 07, 2021, 07:32:38 PM
I remember my mate could get Asda FM on their satellite box back in the analogue days.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: The Roofdog on April 07, 2021, 07:34:17 PM
How did I miss that Brexit Liz was gone? I am delighted. Only thing better than her losing her show would be if she had to keep coming in to do the agonising handover call at the end of Huey's show every week, then go home.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Dusty Substance on April 07, 2021, 09:19:40 PM

I used to love 6Music so much. We were together for several years, from 2005 until around 2012. We didn't have a big bust up or anything, we just drifted apart and before either of us knew it, we were seeing other stations. These days I'm very happy with WFMU but every now again I'll accidentally hear a bit of my old flame, remember the good times, but am quickly reminded why were never meant to be. FMU is my true love forever.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: thugler on April 08, 2021, 12:07:00 AM
Not having a playlist always sounds like a fun idea, but mainstream radio stations need one. Stations need an identity and ratings, and 6 Music would lose both if Steve Lamacq chose the music for 15 hours a week.

And I’m going to guess that it’s in the BBC’s remit to make sure that the music played represents the diversity of the station’s audience. A playlist helps enforce that.

Fuck ratings and identity. The whole point of the station is to offer something else to the rest of the bbc stations. It’s a publicly funded station and doesn’t need to chase ratings. Playlists simply make otherwise interesting shows more mediocre and boring. Noone is listening for the playlist. They could do with trimming a few more dj’s, lamacq, keaveny, and garvey most of all need axeing. Stop peterson from inhaling his farts quite so much too, though i do enjoy his show. Overall the station is fine, if fairly middle of the road.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: PaulTMA on April 08, 2021, 12:35:30 AM
They're doing their best
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: good times on April 08, 2021, 06:09:31 AM
The worst is Wilko - they play this rerecorded stuff - it's awful

I’m not sure if they still do it (or even if it was just this one particular store) but once when I was in Subway they had this awful cheesy pop music on which seemed too shit to be real, with dated sounding production and surreal almost stream of consciousness but somehow still mainstream lyrics

Intrigued I started googling random lyrics from songs and there was basically no evidence of these songs existing

The only explanation I have is that Subway had commissioned session musicians to make in store songs for them, or that it was some compilation of unsigned bands put on by someone who worked there.

Possibly not the latter, as I’m fairly certain I heard similar tunes in at least one other store of theirs a while later

Anyway to stay on topic, I’d rather listen to Subway FM than Chris Hawkins on 6 Music.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on April 08, 2021, 11:54:56 AM
On the wilko/muzak stuff there are companies that basically sell a 'musak box' that connects to the internet and plays royalty free shit to keep PRS happy and you can add messages to stuff.

moodmedia are one such company, one of their devices was featured in a 'Gene' Cinnabon sequence in Better Call Saul.
(https://i.imgur.com/rT9o3Wv.png)

But previously 'offline' devices have existed all the way back to record/cassette multichangers and long cartridge based systems as any Techmoan viewer will know.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: popcorn on April 08, 2021, 12:07:23 PM
This has reminded me of that incredible album of "get a job, you losers" songs commissioned by a California welfare office in the 90s. Amazing listening for anyone who hasn't heard.

Music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPJapuW1img&ab_channel=GeofryLawton

Podcast about the story: https://99percentinvisible.org/episode/magic-bureaucrat-riverside-miracle/ 
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Hat FM on April 08, 2021, 12:17:36 PM
Except they do, because in practice playlists are a terrible idea. No station has ever been improved by going from a free music selection to an enforced playlist. Case in point, XFM pre-Capital takeover and afterwards.

And lots of people do listen to one radio station all day, especially in the office where you don't always have a choice of listening. Playlists are the bane of the drudge worker's life.

I mean okay, to be fair 6 isn't like Magic FM or something and the DJs have a good degree of choice in their selections, but that just makes the playlisted songs feel all the more redundant. Why does a station like 6, which I believe has one of the biggest audience shares on the digital platform, still need to insist on every daytime show including the same tracks?
i used to love xfm pre capital takeover but you could tell that only about ten people were listening.  i used to win every competition i entered. although the callback function worked which helped. Ricky Gervais picked the phone up once which was weird. I listen to the ed gamble and matthew crosby pod on xfm and can't believe how broad the music on either side of the chat is. just various incarnations of oasis members and red chili peppers. i guess the indie lads that listen just dont want to hear anything slightly challenging.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: pigamus on April 08, 2021, 03:15:35 PM
On the wilko/muzak stuff there are companies that basically sell a 'musak box' that connects to the internet and plays royalty free shit to keep PRS happy and you can add messages to stuff.

moodmedia are one such company, one of their devices was featured in a 'Gene' Cinnabon sequence in Better Call Saul.
(https://i.imgur.com/rT9o3Wv.png)

But previously 'offline' devices have existed all the way back to record/cassette multichangers and long cartridge based systems as any Techmoan viewer will know.


It’s not muzak though, it’s re-recorded versions of original songs - like, you go in and it’s Fleetwood Mac, and you don’t take much notice, but then you think, “hang on...what?”

Appalling
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Norton Canes on April 08, 2021, 06:06:05 PM
It's Back to the 80's day on 6Music today. Hooray.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: amateur on April 08, 2021, 06:07:28 PM
No playlist all day. Phil_A will be cock-a-hoop.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: shagatha crustie on April 08, 2021, 07:54:28 PM
Can't listen to Marc Riley's show because i was drunk and hugged him at a gig and he wasn't best pleased.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: PaulTMA on April 09, 2021, 12:42:57 PM
They just asked listeners to text in with what they thought Prince Phillip's favourite venue might have been
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Pink Gregory on April 09, 2021, 04:28:10 PM
10,000 replies of 'UP THE QUEEN'S ARSE'
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Bob-Kate on April 10, 2021, 10:51:25 AM
I’m hoping there will be another shake up. Now I’m working from home, I have 6 on as default, but I’m tiring of it. The playlist especially.

Hawkins: very hospital radio, I try not to be up when he’s on.

Laverne: improved over time, but she’s insincere and I’m expecting her to sod off when they move to Salford.

Hobbs: yeah, the breathiness is annoying, but I don’t mind her as much as I expected to. Maybe she’d be better in the afternoon.

Keaveny: I loved him in the Breakfast slot. His ironic cynicism and silliness was pitched perfectly for grey morning commutes. Find him depressing in the afternoons, but could see him working at drivetime.

Lammo: nice guy, but well past time to put him to pasture. Give him a weekend show where he can condense his week into two hours. And, please god, no more world cups.

RadMac: I quite enjoy them at the weekend. It’s mild stuff, but well suited to dozing about in bed.

Nemone: always plays much better music than whoever she’s standing in for. If she wants a regular show I’d give it to her.

Huw / Ravers: always enjoy them when they’re on

Gemma Cairney: she’s toned down her radio one matey style and was great (in for Lauren?) recently.

Craig Charles: as Janie said, he was great when Lammo was off during Lockdown 1.

Won’t miss Liz.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: crankshaft on April 10, 2021, 11:13:27 AM
Gammons-in-training making noise on social media this morning because Radcliffe is doing a sombre show with simple back announcements and no [grits teeth] "banter".

Anyone who uses the word "banter" unironically doesn't deserve entertainment.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Camp Tramp on April 10, 2021, 11:23:51 AM
Gammons-in-training making noise on social media this morning because Radcliffe is doing a sombre show with simple back announcements and no [grits teeth] "banter".

Anyone who uses the word "banter" unironically doesn't deserve entertainment.

It isn't like he has a choice. BBC-wide policy I'd imagine.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on April 10, 2021, 11:24:47 AM
It surprises me how Nemone has carved out a career as a stand-in for over 20 years. Usually hearing someone as a stand-in on Radio 1 was a sign they'd be getting a regular show in the near future. I know she's got had the electric ladyland that that was a graveyard slot.

Does she do other stuff off-air or is just waiting around as a stand-by presenter?
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: mobias on April 10, 2021, 11:25:10 AM


Laverne: improved over time, but she’s insincere and I’m expecting her to sod off when they move to Salford.



I'm surprised to hear anyone criticise her for being insincere. The usual criticism on Laverne is that she's overly sincere and gushy. I doubt she'll be going anywhere anyway. She pretty much IS 6 Music for a lot of people.
6 Music is already broadcast from both Salford and London so it doesn't really matter where the headquarters are I don't think.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: OnlyRegisteredSoICanRead on April 10, 2021, 11:27:39 AM
I'm surprised to hear anyone criticise her for being insincere. The usual criticism on Laverne is that she's overly sincere and gushy. I doubt she'll be going anywhere anyway. She pretty much IS 6 Music for a lot of people.
6 Music is already broadcast from both Salford and London so it doesn't really matter where the headquarters are I don't think.

You can be overly sincere and gushy and not mean it.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Phil_A on April 10, 2021, 12:45:40 PM
It surprises me how Nemone has carved out a career as a stand-in for over 20 years. Usually hearing someone as a stand-in on Radio 1 was a sign they'd be getting a regular show in the near future. I know she's got had the electric ladyland that that was a graveyard slot.

Does she do other stuff off-air or is just waiting around as a stand-by presenter?

She's a practicing psychotherapist, so I think the 6 Music gig has always been a bit of a sideline?
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Bob-Kate on April 10, 2021, 01:25:46 PM
(Edit - wrong quote added before) re Lauren.

Yeah, that was what I meant. Knowing that she’s part of the blue tick mean girls clique had already put me off her though.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: daf on April 10, 2021, 01:39:00 PM
sincere and gushy

As sung by Cardi B
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Camp Tramp on April 10, 2021, 03:37:10 PM
They are playing Gabriel on 6 Music now. Fantastic song. Seems a little out of place for the current sombre mood.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on April 10, 2021, 03:42:21 PM
Yeah, that was what I meant. Knowing that she’s part of the blue tick mean girls clique had already put me off her though.

Kenickie were ace, though. I think we can all agree on that.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: OnlyRegisteredSoICanRead on April 10, 2021, 07:10:12 PM
I liked 'em, but they were corporate whores with no punters.

Emmy Kate was my Fav! No, Johnny X, no…
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: non capisco on April 10, 2021, 07:17:06 PM
Home Bargains always seem to have decent tunes on when I’m in there. I don’t know if it’s a corporate-mandated playlist or the manager of my local store really being into classic soul and new wave, but I’ll take it.

New wave/eighventies pop seems to now only exist on shop playlists. I heard '7 Teen' by The Regents of all things in the Co-Op the other day. I lingered about the aisles in the hope of a bit of New Musik or Susan Fassbender next.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on April 10, 2021, 07:18:02 PM
I liked 'em, but they were corporate whores with no punters.

Emmy Kate was my Fav! No, Johnny X, no…

Mate.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: non capisco on April 10, 2021, 07:22:51 PM
The worst is Wilko - they play this rerecorded stuff - it's awful

I have a really fond memory of a trip to the Texas DIY Superstore in Crayford in the '80s being livened up by an in-store playlist re-recording of The Pointer Sisters' 'I'm So Excited' but screeched off key by a load of Kentish fishwives. Me and my Dad were pissing ourselves laughing at this thing, I'd love to hear it again. OI'M SO EXCOIIII'ID AN OI JUSS CARN OIIIIDE IT. I was about to lose control and I definitely liked it, it was beautifully appalling.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: OnlyRegisteredSoICanRead on April 10, 2021, 07:24:37 PM
Mate.

That's the correct term for people who try to sell out their art for moneys sake but don't find any buyers isn't it?
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Jockice on April 10, 2021, 07:34:33 PM
Kenickie were ace, though. I think we can all agree on that.

Angelica were.better.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on April 10, 2021, 08:02:40 PM
That's the correct term for people who try to sell out their art for moneys sake but don't find any buyers isn't it?

If you don't know why it's not cool to describe a band fronted by three women in that way, then there's nothing I can do for you.

Also, Kenickie were a pop group who wanted to have hit records. They never really managed that, so they split up. In what way did they sell out exactly?
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on April 10, 2021, 08:14:30 PM
Angelica were.better.

I liked them too. Holly and Lauren sounded practically identical.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: OnlyRegisteredSoICanRead on April 10, 2021, 08:15:32 PM
If you don't know why it's not cool to describe a band fronted by three women in that way, then there's nothing I can do for you.


Because I'm not a sexist giraffe, and would use it for an all male group, or a mixed one, like Kenickie. It's also a direct quote about one man.

Of all places, I would have hoped people would know that last one.



Also, Kenickie were a pop group who wanted to have hit records. They never really managed that, so they split up. In what way did they sell out exactly?

They were an Indie-Pop-punk group, they sold out musically to less interest than their indie-pop-punk, they all appeared on This Morning doing fashion features, Period Pains would never, never have done that.

Possibly.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: daf on April 10, 2021, 08:17:24 PM
PUNK-AHHHHHHHH!!!

It's a Wheel of Misfortune (with Kenickie) . . . It's a Wheel of Misfortuuuuune (with Kenickie) (https://sheckley.tripod.com/Radcliffe/laurenlaverne.mp3)
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on April 10, 2021, 08:32:18 PM
Because I'm not a sexist giraffe, and would use it for an all male group, or a mixed one, like Kenickie.


Okay, sorry. Genuinely. I'm tired and in a bad mood.

They were an Indie-Pop-punk group, they sold out musically to less interest than their indie-pop-punk, they all appeared on This Morning doing fashion features, Period Pains would never, never have done that.

But Kenickie actually wanted to do stuff like that. It was a laugh, they were funny people who took the piss when it came to 'playing the game'. That's not selling out, it's just what you do when you're a smart pop group with a healthy sense of irony.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: OnlyRegisteredSoICanRead on April 10, 2021, 09:01:17 PM
Too err is human, to forgive, devine.


I preferred them after they sold out, I was a member of the Rosita fan club, I've got the signed postcard somewhere, ah, slightly pre-internet fandom.

Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: lazyhour on April 11, 2021, 11:54:28 AM
Cerys is playing brilliant track after brilliant track this morning. Didn't seem to be a Playlist track in sight, either.

Unrelated: Arlo Parks is bland rubbish. Why on earth do 6music keep championing her??
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Pink Gregory on April 11, 2021, 12:42:23 PM
Shame, avoided putting Cerys on this morning due to dread of further BBC wall to wall Phil the Greek content.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: lazyhour on April 11, 2021, 01:10:20 PM
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Shame, avoided putting Cerys on this morning due to dread of further BBC wall to wall Phil the Greek content.

You've missed a genuine peach of a show. Worth catching update on, even. There was a Thelonious Monk thread running through the show.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Chicory on April 11, 2021, 02:07:25 PM
Unrelated: Arlo Parks is bland rubbish. Why on earth do 6music keep championing her??

This is what gets my goat. They seem to have this elite set of artists - 'friends of the station' - who get a bafflingly huge leg up beyond being merely playlisted.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: lazyhour on April 11, 2021, 04:31:57 PM
This is what gets my goat. They seem to have this elite set of artists - 'friends of the station' - who get a bafflingly huge leg up beyond being merely playlisted.

Yep. I remember when it was Public Service Broadcasting. It was like that fucking band had made a deal with the devil to get disproportionate favourable coverage.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on April 11, 2021, 04:47:55 PM
There's got to be some sort of friends in high places between labels and the beeb somewhere. I think.

It's understandable that say, Peterson might play Brownswood recordings on his show because he owns the label, it's understandable that the BBC might chuck him a favour and go out of their way to plug artists, but they don't really it's all major stuff and quite obviously contrived.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: shiftwork2 on April 11, 2021, 05:19:07 PM
Jamz Supernova show was great.  Assume it wasn't modified much to accommodate the death of Kim Jong Un yesterday.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: iamcoop on April 11, 2021, 07:16:33 PM
Yep. I remember when it was Public Service Broadcasting. It was like that fucking band had made a deal with the devil to get disproportionate favourable coverage.

They were also doing this with Loyle Carner recently, a man who manages to create hip hop that is entirely devoid of any spark or excitement. It’s rap in the form of a Tim Dowling column.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: amateur on April 11, 2021, 07:46:12 PM
Cerys is playing brilliant track after brilliant track this morning. Didn't seem to be a Playlist track in sight, either.

Cerys hasn't had playlist tracks in her show for years now.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: xxxx xxx x xxx on April 11, 2021, 08:08:19 PM
Oi, where’s Stuart Maconie’s Freak Zone gone?
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: PaulTMA on April 11, 2021, 08:19:49 PM
This is what gets my goat. They seem to have this elite set of artists - 'friends of the station' - who get a bafflingly huge leg up beyond being merely playlisted.

Switched on for the first time in ages, was going quite good, third song in: Field Music, the 6Music Beatles
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Norton Canes on April 11, 2021, 08:32:20 PM
Oi, where’s Stuart Maconie’s Freak Zone gone?

Disrespectful to be playing Gong and some kids' TV themes.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: iamcoop on April 11, 2021, 09:31:04 PM
He’s just dropped EPMD into Everything in it’s right place which let’s be honest, is what he would’ve wanted.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Janie Jones on April 11, 2021, 09:41:21 PM
They were also doing this with Loyle Carner recently, a man who manages to create hip hop that is entirely devoid of any spark or excitement. It’s rap in the form of a Tim Dowling column.

Thank you! I am not alone.

Yep. I remember when it was Public Service Broadcasting. It was like that fucking band had made a deal with the devil to get disproportionate favourable coverage.

To be fair, the gammons in Pere Ubu t-shirts who form most of R6’s audience could remember watching the moon landings as little kids and had a lot of love for PSB. The promotion of the anodyne Arlo Parks is inexplicable, presumably some box ticking exercise.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: billyandthecloneasaurus on April 11, 2021, 11:09:45 PM
I agree - the playlist is probably the most annoying thing for me.

Spot on and funny observations in this thread - I love 6Music but its certainly a frustrating listening experience where I have to turn over to Radio 2 or whatever quite regularly.

I'm also with the poster who said for music content they like Marc Riley's show the best - I can't wait for him to get live bands on again.  I'd much rather hear that than repeats of the A-Z of punk or whatever (good as that is)

Yeah same.  Every few years I sort of forget how annoying i find 6music, listen a bit, then remember why i find it so frustrating.  As someone close to 30 who spent most of his teenage years and 20s listening to a fairly narrow selection of predictable indie and alternative cliches with the obvious cannony stuff from other genres that everyone of my demographic (white, middle-class bloke who used to be a #indiekid) listens to, i find turning on 6music and hearing the smiths, pulp, and the four tops or whatever very annoying.  It's like, my taste in music is shit, don't pander to me!

I also felt like even if you ACCEPT them playing bands like the smiths all the time, you can at least play a few more deep cuts - this charming man probably gets played enough on radio 2 already.

It also felt like if they weren't playing that really obvious mix of indie disco and stuff picked at random from the metacritic list of the best albums of all time, it would be like a fucking 10 minute house track, at 10am on a wednesday.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Wayman C. McCreery on April 12, 2021, 08:08:54 AM
Cerys is playing brilliant track after brilliant track this morning. Didn't seem to be a Playlist track in sight, either.

I think her show is always playlist-free, which makes you wonder why Huey’s in the same time slot on a Saturday isn’t. It’s jarring when he has to play Working Men’s Club alongside his usual R&B fare.

Unrelated: Arlo Parks is bland rubbish. Why on earth do 6music keep championing her??

A friend has a theory that’s very difficult to explain without sounding clumsy. Forgive and correct me if I do. But I’ll give it a go: they try and do the right thing and champion black artists, but because the station is so white and run by Home Counties types then their choices are unimaginative and are palatable for your bald dads - like Arlo Parks, Michael Kiwanuka and Loyle Carner.

Whereas, similarly to what was said earlier in the thread, when they gave Craig Charles the drivetime show for a few months last year he’d play a string of great tracks by black artists without any sort of fanfare and it’d be brilliant. The same goes for the specialist weekend shows.

Let’s not forget that when Dave won the Mercury, Radcliffe and Maconie complained on air that - and I’m paraphrasing here because I can’t find the original quote - he didn’t deserve to win because his music was only relevant to a small community of people in the south of England.

tl;dr - if you let people who only know about music made by white people with guitars pick the music then the choices beyond those genres are going to be unimaginative.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: poodlefaker on April 12, 2021, 08:16:44 AM
Arlo Parks also has a documentary on BBC4 and a Later with Jools Holland all to herself. She's the new Laura Mvula.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Chicory on April 12, 2021, 10:21:38 AM
Let’s not forget that when Dave won the Mercury, Radcliffe and Maconie complained on air that - and I’m paraphrasing here because I can’t find the original quote - he didn’t deserve to win because his music was only relevant to a small community of people in the south of England.

Bloody 'ell, all them rap singers and their namby pamby fans in that London wouldn't know a suet pudding if it bit 'em on't backside.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Satchmo Distel on April 12, 2021, 10:28:05 AM
Radmac have a history of regarding British rappers as fake. They don't reject US rap and hip-hop (they play their own selection of the stuff) but just can't credit that the UK can have an authentic black culture that isn't 70s reggae (safely in the past and, they assume, more Jamaican than British).
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on April 12, 2021, 10:33:18 AM
I can't say I've really considered UK Hip Hop an explicitly black culture really, it's always struck me as more diverse than its American counterpart.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: wooders1978 on April 12, 2021, 12:37:48 PM
Add me to the burning out of control pile of kershaw haters, woeful

Is it going a bit mainstream though? On Saturday whilst I was cleaning the kitchen they had the coral followed by the zutons- not really my thing tbh and I find laverne in the morning a bit crap, music selection wise, she’s a nice enough presenter in herself though
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: wooders1978 on April 12, 2021, 12:38:35 PM
I can't say I've really considered UK Hip Hop an explicitly black culture really, it's always struck me as more diverse than its American counterpart.

Agreed, a far wider demographic in Uk and Europe is represented

Also Cerys doesn’t have a playlist because her show seems to largely comprise of her gassing on and interviewing folk!

However, assume you are all aware of Britify.com? Choose your station and presenter and their shows (Cerys inc) and playlists will launch in Spotify (if available) - bloody godsend especially if you’re looking for the lesser known stuff or just catch a bit of something you like
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: greencalx on April 15, 2021, 08:08:12 PM
bald dads

Oi!
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Lfbarfe on April 23, 2021, 02:14:41 AM
Hawkins is so shockingly banal and inane. Just sounds like a generic English RadioPresenter3000 robot. Honkingly bad and in no way appropriate for 6music.

He's been there forever. I'm guessing he's cheap.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: xxxx xxx x xxx on April 23, 2021, 12:46:53 PM
Aw, he’s alright for that time of the morning.  I wouldn’t want someone yelping about ‘bangers’ and what’s dropped at 5 AM.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: thugler on April 23, 2021, 12:54:25 PM
Have been giving Worldwide fm a try when 6music doesn't grab me, is sometimes decent. Any other rec's for online stations that are worth a pop? I know of Resonance
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Malcy on April 23, 2021, 02:39:54 PM
Thought 6 Music was pretty good last week. Didn't have to switch stations as often as usual but one song came on late one night that sounded like Scatman John drowning in a puddle to the sound of the same 2 piano keys being hit forever and ever and ever...
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Chicory on April 23, 2021, 04:21:53 PM
If you want a vision of 6Music's future, imagine

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Scatman John drowning in a puddle to the sound of the same 2 piano keys being hit forever and ever and ever...
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on April 23, 2021, 04:32:05 PM
... going mental in a dustbin.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on April 23, 2021, 04:34:22 PM
Have been giving Worldwide fm a try when 6music doesn't grab me, is sometimes decent. Any other rec's for online stations that are worth a pop? I know of Resonance

I hear a lot of good things about nts from people who also like Worldwide.

IMO the best shows on WWFM are:
Cosmodelica (fsome fridays) / Baleric Breakfast (tuesdays) with Collen Cosmo Murphy
Charlie Dark (fridays)
Louie Vega (mon / weds)
MLE (some fridays)

There's loads of others but those are the ones I tend to make a point of listening to as opposed to happening on.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on April 23, 2021, 04:35:06 PM
Oh yeah meant to add I wish 6 Music got Katie Puckrick on on the regs as she's really good when she sits in. One of the few permanently upbeat dj's who doesn't get wearing with it.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Chicory on April 23, 2021, 04:47:36 PM
[middle aged indie bloke] Katie Puckrik can do no wrong. [/middle aged indie bloke]
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: The Mollusk on April 23, 2021, 05:01:51 PM
Consistently irritated by the presence of Amy Lamé on Saturday afternoons, frustrating that the fucking NIGHT CZAR (her actual government-appointed title) who sat back and accepted a 200% pay rise for supposedly supporting London's nightlife whilst seemingly watching it get fucked over by shite legislations that shaft grassroots venues and have most places shut their doors before midnight. She name-drops herself every 5 minutes between songs so I have to be constantly reminded of how much I don't like her. Except I don't because I don't listen to her station. But if I did I'd be annoyed, I can tell you that.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on April 23, 2021, 05:16:15 PM
Yeah she's a dickhead but I find it easy to avoid since Sundays were long a bit boring imo. Wasn't really much of a fan of Guy Garvey or Jarvis even if one of them seemed inoffensive and the other alright.

Javis often had good people sitting in though (Leila Moss, Pauline Black etc).
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: shiftwork2 on April 23, 2021, 05:18:23 PM
Any other rec's for online stations that are worth a pop? I know of Resonance

You probably know of FIP but if not they play a bit of everything, there's no smug, and the presenters have a pleasing melodious French that I don't understand a fucking word of.  BRILL.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Head Gardener on April 23, 2021, 05:21:42 PM
www.radio.garden (http://www.radio.garden)
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on April 23, 2021, 06:43:47 PM
I didn't know any of that about Amy Lame. Disappointing to hear, as I always thought she came across as a really nice, likeable person when she was one of Danny Baker's radio sidekicks all those years ago. Oh well.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Emotional Support Peacock on April 23, 2021, 06:45:01 PM
Have been giving Worldwide fm a try when 6music doesn't grab me, is sometimes decent. Any other rec's for online stations that are worth a pop? I know of Resonance

I was also going to say NTS but I tend to select interesting sounding shows to listen to from the archive rather than listening live. I really like Rum Punch because I’m a calypso lover.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on April 23, 2021, 06:46:29 PM
Resonance had a really nice funk/soul show called The New Orleans Strut but either it was seasonal or they just got rid during a shake-up which was a shame.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: amateur on April 24, 2021, 03:40:08 PM
I was also going to say NTS but I tend to select interesting sounding shows to listen to from the archive rather than listening live. I really like Rum Punch because I’m a calypso lover.

The Do!! You!! Breakfast Show with Charlie Bones is excellent on NTS as live listen.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Norton Canes on April 29, 2021, 01:02:41 PM
Yes! Nemone in for Keaveny today!
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 08, 2021, 02:11:29 PM
I really detest those stings/trailers as they just seem to me to be trying to enforce a "We're all part of the same big cuddly 6 Music family" atmosphere, which feeds into the thing of shows not really being allowed to have an individual identity as everything has to be part of the same "brand". Stuff like of every daytime DJ having to play "Album Of The Day" tracks even when it's music they clearly aren't interested in and wouldn't usually play. You can sense some of the presenters chafing against that, I'm sure Radcliffe & Maconie have made a few sly remarks about it over the years.

6 Music aren't alone in this one, it's a 'radio cliche you'd like to fuck off', but you know the advertisments where the presenter does promotes their show, then they have someone, usually a husky voiced woman, repeat a couple of words through a filter to emphasise the key points? Well there's a Nemone one at the minute where it sounds like she's doing it herself. Perhaps she is and the penny never dropped she's the voice artist for that effect across the station. Either way it sounds even naffer.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Chicory on May 08, 2021, 02:56:35 PM
This is not just music.... this is M&S music
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Camp Tramp on May 08, 2021, 03:13:30 PM
I'm getting really fed up of hearing Squid and Arlo Parks all the time. They just bore me.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Chicory on May 08, 2021, 03:28:23 PM
Squid are appalling. They're the epitome of that "Check me out I've got a wacky voice lol" modern indie trend. And of course the lead singer's called Ollie.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 08, 2021, 03:58:57 PM
Listened to Jamz Supernova a few times now and think she really is a good fit.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: xxxx xxx x xxx on May 08, 2021, 08:13:44 PM
Squid are appalling. They're the epitome of that "Check me out I've got a wacky voice lol" modern indie trend. And of course the lead singer's called Ollie.

Oh God yes, I’m getting sick to death of those voices - Mush are the worst offenders.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Camp Tramp on May 08, 2021, 08:52:08 PM
Squid are appalling. They're the epitome of that "Check me out I've got a wacky voice lol" modern indie trend. And of course the lead singer's called Ollie.

They are playing Squid so often I feel like they are trying to 'push me in' to listening to them.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: homesickalien on May 08, 2021, 09:29:13 PM
Listened to Jamz Supernova a few times now and think she really is a good fit.

Yes and the blessed Madonna in the evening.  Saturday all the way through is decent now I think.

...glad I wasn't the only one who was getting annoyed hearing Squid!
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 08, 2021, 10:41:51 PM
Yeah BM has been playing some 'last disco' stuff tonight which has been great. She just played Dolly Parton's Potential New Boyfriend, which I don't think I've ever heard before but is a banger!
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: SullySullivan85 on May 12, 2021, 05:34:54 PM
Squid are appalling. They're the epitome of that "Check me out I've got a wacky voice lol" modern indie trend. And of course the lead singer's called Ollie.

I like Squid but I'm suspicious of anyone who shortens Oliver to Ollie, or god forbid, Oli.  Olly Alexander can probably act, and sing pretty well, but his new single sounds like Olly Murs. Everyone run away like you've just seen a terrorist in Selfridges.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: SullySullivan85 on May 12, 2021, 05:35:50 PM
"Zander" Alexanders though, by far, are the worst thing that's ever existed.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: SullySullivan85 on May 12, 2021, 05:39:04 PM
Actually, no.  This is.

https://twitter.com/LizKershawDJ/status/1392376528911192066?s=20
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 12, 2021, 05:57:29 PM
skinnneritsthechildrenthatarewrong.jpg

As someone pointed out:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E1M7_E9XMAEG_HL?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Camp Tramp on May 12, 2021, 06:39:50 PM
She can't be gone soon enough!
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: The Roofdog on May 12, 2021, 06:45:17 PM
Actually, no.  This is.

https://twitter.com/LizKershawDJ/status/1392376528911192066?s=20

Fuuuuuck me. Don't let the door hit you in the arse on the way out Liz.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: willbo on May 12, 2021, 08:35:11 PM
I've been enjoying the very early morning Sunday shows on Radio 3 where Celeste, Jorja Smith and Lianne La Havas play chillout jazz, soul, classical and ambient stuff.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: The Mollusk on June 09, 2021, 11:22:34 AM
6 is having some great guest hosts in to celebrate pride month. This week the evening slots from 7-9pm it’s Ezra Furman (who last night was playing some incredible punk as well as a lot of great folk, doo-wop and other stuff, a decent portion of which was made by LGBTQ+ artists) and John Grant 9pm-midnight, who’s been belting out some amazing synth-pop as well as left field stuff like Dead Can Dance and Cocteau Twins. I was sat at my dining table last night pottering away at a little project and fuckin soaked that shit up like a sponge. Highly recommended.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 09, 2021, 12:16:21 PM
I've been enjoying the very early morning Sunday shows on Radio 3 where Celeste, Jorja Smith and Lianne La Havas play chillout jazz, soul, classical and ambient stuff.

Ooh nice one, will check them out.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: wooders1978 on June 11, 2021, 02:08:31 PM
Ezra Fermans show was excellent last night, loads of gems
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Norton Canes on June 11, 2021, 02:28:15 PM
John Grant's picks have been phenomenal too.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 11, 2021, 02:59:58 PM
I missed it but noted Jamz was filling in for Mary Anne-Hobbs as well. Was that any different to her own show?

Looks like she also does a show on 1Xtra so the BBC are clearly keeping her busy!
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: homesickalien on June 11, 2021, 03:22:41 PM
Seconded on Ezra and John Grant's shows.

Keavney's just announced he's leaving in September.

Who else would be good in the 1-4 slot?
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Head Gardener on June 11, 2021, 03:58:34 PM
Seconded on Ezra and John Grant's shows.

Keavney's just announced he's leaving in September.

Who else would be good in the 1-4 slot?

me but I'd turn it down as the commute to Salford would be too tiring, sorry
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 11, 2021, 03:59:31 PM
Can't say I'll miss Keavney really. His dour "professional notherner" act has been worn out for quite some time.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: willbo on June 11, 2021, 05:11:01 PM
I feel like I've been listening to Mark, Lard and Maconie tell the same jokes, funny sayings and anecdotes my whole life
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 11, 2021, 05:15:17 PM
My dad mentioned how Radcliffe burbles as he speaks and now I find it hard to ignore, preferred he hadn't mentioned it really. I think Richard Bacon made a fake jingle ribbing it, which seems a little cruel, but I can't say I noticed in the Mark and Lard days, so is it just a geriatric thing?
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Chicory on June 11, 2021, 05:52:56 PM
Just wanted to add my voice to the sound of the John Grant appreciation crowd.  A genuine connoisseur of synthpop in all its many shades.  One of my favourite humans.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 11, 2021, 07:01:42 PM
I wonder what Keavney is going to do after 6 music, it seemed like his bread and butter, I know he played a bit of guitar and tried his hand as a comic or something that never really went very far.

Incidentally Worldwide FM has recently got Rob Da Bank on as a Sunday regular. I quite liked him back when he was on Radio One. He always had stuff like Sunday Best and Bestival to keep him busy, but it's nice to hear him back on the air somewhere in some capacity.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Barry Admin on June 11, 2021, 07:15:10 PM
Superb news about Keavney! I don't listen to 6 Music much at all these days, for fear of bumping into him. That fucking Paul McCartney bit... Christ almighty. And those middle age shout out rap things he does... Oh, he's the absolute pits.

Be great if Steve Lamacq fucks off to Radio 2 or somewhere at some point. Bland shiter. Think he's still exceptionally popular tho, like most boring, under-achieving toss.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 11, 2021, 07:20:25 PM
I think the last time I listened to Keavney was around 2015 as I was driving to work... his 'bit' then was putting on a geriatric voice pretending to be surprised that albums now come out on Fridays rather than Mondays. Does he still do that? It used to do my lid in more than the middle-aged shout outs.

"listener engagement" on 6 music is generally cringeworthy even in shows I quite like. Dancing around your kitchen to some northern soul at teatime on a Saturday is it? Mint mate.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Janie Jones on June 11, 2021, 11:21:41 PM
Seconded on Ezra and John Grant's shows.

Keavney's just announced he's leaving in September.

Who else would be good in the 1-4 slot?

Thirded, Ezra in particular has been brilliant.

I didn’t hate Keavney the way I hate Hobbs but that’s great news, I’d be happy with Ravenscroft or Hoooo.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Janie Jones on June 11, 2021, 11:27:32 PM
Actually I’m really worried that is racist, would I mock the name of, say, an African DJ like that? No. Huw Stephens.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Ron Maels Moustache on June 11, 2021, 11:58:30 PM
I've no idea what the ratings are like in the afternoon now but I wonder if he jumped before he was pushed? The announcement from BBC News seems desperate to put a positive spin on things but you can't help reading between the lines a bit. It feels like he's had a lot of time off lately as well.

It seems obvious that his move to that slot was a huge mistake, his no energy can't-be-arsed shtick just feels like a massive drag at that time of day and it makes the afternoons feel interminable. The repetitive features(including several carried from his morning show, so already well-and-truly played out) and lack of anything along the lines of, say interesting guests to add some variety just adds to the feeling of ennui and the sense that he just lacked all inspiration to make anything worthwhile out of it.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: The Roofdog on June 12, 2021, 01:02:41 AM
My dad mentioned how Radcliffe burbles as he speaks and now I find it hard to ignore, preferred he hadn't mentioned it really. I think Richard Bacon made a fake jingle ribbing it, which seems a little cruel, but I can't say I noticed in the Mark and Lard days, so is it just a geriatric thing?

"Berberian Sound Studio is how Mark Radcliffe says Ian Sound Studio" is still one of my favourite tweets of all time (Daniel Maier I think)
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: non capisco on June 12, 2021, 01:11:44 AM
Thirded, Ezra in particular has been brilliant.

Been listening to the Ezra shows on catchup this evening, absolutely fantastic. How could they not be? I've long marvelled at her ability to pluck melodies that seem like they should have existed for years already from thin air (eg. My Zero, Teddy I'm Ready, Love You So Bad, Cherry Lane etc. etc.) so a trawl through her influences was always gonna be a treasure trove.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: mobias on June 12, 2021, 09:38:31 AM
I've no idea what the ratings are like in the afternoon now but I wonder if he jumped before he was pushed? The announcement from BBC News seems desperate to put a positive spin on things but you can't help reading between the lines a bit. It feels like he's had a lot of time off lately as well.

It seems obvious that his move to that slot was a huge mistake, his no energy can't-be-arsed shtick just feels like a massive drag at that time of day and it makes the afternoons feel interminable. The repetitive features(including several carried from his morning show, so already well-and-truly played out) and lack of anything along the lines of, say interesting guests to add some variety just adds to the feeling of ennui and the sense that he just lacked all inspiration to make anything worthwhile out of it.

Totally agree  with all that. We always turn off at work whenever his afternoon show starts. I've sometimes wondered how many others do the same. I guess the BBC have the data. People can say what they like about Rad-Mac but they hit the nail on the head with their afternoon slot when they did it. It worked far better.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 12, 2021, 12:32:51 PM
They'll definitely have stats. There's proper 'insights' bodies like RAJAR, but they won't even need that since they're almost certainly collecting listener numbers on their streaming platform.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: The Mollusk on June 12, 2021, 12:39:22 PM
They'll definitely have stats. There's proper 'insights' bodies like RAJAR

The tiger from Aladdin? Fuck, you definitely wouldn’t want to get on their bad side if your ratings started slipping!
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Brundle-Fly on June 12, 2021, 12:50:56 PM
Totally agree  with all that. We always turn off at work whenever his afternoon show starts. I've sometimes wondered how many others do the same. I guess the BBC have the data. People can say what they like about Rad-Mac but they hit the nail on the head with their afternoon slot when they did it. It worked far better.

I know regular listeners love a routine set in concrete, it's the key to a good radio show, apparently, but I wish they'd introduced new running items other than Teatime Theme Time  and The Chain though. Just to mix it up a bit between playing A Message To You, Rudy, Teenage Kicks, Bonnie & Clyde and Walk On The bleedin' Wild Side seemingly every other day.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 12, 2021, 12:58:57 PM
I found when he got moved I could be working away and lose track of time a bit and not really be aware that the handover was taking place and the first I knew of it was the arrival of some 90's/2000's track from some northern indie band, arriving like a grey mist on my general demeanour.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 12, 2021, 12:59:37 PM
The tiger from Aladdin? Fuck, you definitely wouldn’t want to get on their bad side if your ratings started slipping!

haha!
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 12, 2021, 02:29:24 PM
I love how when they do the 'coming up' bit where Gilles comes on to plug his show it's clear Jamz and Peterson have enough shared musical interest that they inevitably end up having a chat that veers off and forget to do the plugging.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Catalogue of ills on June 12, 2021, 07:17:31 PM
Superb news about Keavney! I don't listen to 6 Music much at all these days, for fear of bumping into him. That fucking Paul McCartney bit... Christ almighty. And those middle age shout out rap things he does... Oh, he's the absolute pits.

Be great if Steve Lamacq fucks off to Radio 2 or somewhere at some point. Bland shiter. Think he's still exceptionally popular tho, like most boring, under-achieving toss.

I cannot stand Lamacq. That he is referred to as 'Lammo' is wearyingly predictable, and I wouldn't be surprised if he has a car sticker that says "I know what I like". It especially irks me that he is often on me when I'm cooking; you can't cook to the backdrop of slop he serves up every day. Your potatoes would stay hard, the vegetables would turn to mush, and there's no chance of a soufflé[1] rising with him droning in the background.
 1. I have never made a soufflé. If they sacked Lamacq I would try
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 12, 2021, 07:53:06 PM
I've always been indifferent to Lamacq, he's not made me angry like he seems to both here and elsewhere, and I've never really understood why he's an indie national treasure either really. I agree at this point he could be put out to pasture.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: mobias on June 12, 2021, 08:06:31 PM
I know regular listeners love a routine set in concrete, it's the key to a good radio show, apparently, but I wish they'd introduced new running items other than Teatime Theme Time  and The Chain though.

The repetitiveness of 'the chain' thing drove me mad and by the sounds of things I wasn't the only one. Be interesting to see who they get to replace Keaveny. I presume Radcliffe and Maconie wanted to quit that slot? Mark Radcliffe had his brush with cancer and Stuart Maconie has his fingers in various pies (and I mean that partly literally) that presumably eat up a lot of his time. 

That weekday afternoon slot is really the biggest slot on 6music I think.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 12, 2021, 08:09:30 PM
Breakfast show, with drive time not far behind it used to be the most coveted didn't they?
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Chicory on June 12, 2021, 10:21:48 PM
Hissing Lammo, slithering in after the final drums finish on 'Been Caught Stealing', reminding you it'sss the final of the B-side off the third single World Cup tomorrow, on an infinite day by day by fucking day loop.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Norton Canes on June 13, 2021, 09:36:28 AM
Yes! Keavo gets the heave-ho
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: xxxx xxx x xxx on June 13, 2021, 09:11:58 PM
Yes! Keavo gets the heave-ho



















HA!!!!!
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Bob-Kate on June 14, 2021, 09:54:03 AM
I really, really liked Shaun in the mornings, but couldn’t listen to him in the afternoon. Too gloomy and yet too distractingly perky at the same time.

Will always remember his show on the morning Bowie died though, him and Matt dealt with it perfectly.

Surely it’s time to give Lammo a weekend show and freshen up the weekday slots. I always enjoy Huw and Tom Peel when they step in on the drive time slot. Jamz suits early afternoon / late morning.

I dunno who they need to get in - but PLEASE radio6, cut back on the playlist a bit. More and more of us are working from home and have the radio on all day, the playlist makes it unbearable. Good god, I even tried listening to Smooth the other day.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: the science eel on June 14, 2021, 10:21:31 AM
Thirded, Ezra in particular has been brilliant.

I didn’t hate Keavney the way I hate Hobbs but that’s great news, I’d be happy with Ravenscroft or Hoooo.

Tom R comes across as a lovely fella but I can't handle that drippy voice at all.

Glad to see the back of Keaveny - he is to radio what Larry King was to interviewing.


6 Music DJ ranking - best to worst

Gideon Coe


Tom Robinson
Marc Riley

Don Letts

Mary Anne Hobbs


The Blessed Madonna = Tom Ravenscroft

Craig Charles

Lauren Laverne


Stuart Maconie

Steve Lamacq



Liz Kershaw
Shaun Keaveny
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: The Mollusk on June 14, 2021, 12:47:01 PM
Decided to put the radio on this morning for the first time in years (usually only listen around dinner time whilst cooking). Lauren was playing “Da Funk” and afterwards she goes “Tell you what those Daft Punk helmets would be great in this weather, no need for sun screen.” Turned the radio off.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on June 14, 2021, 01:06:33 PM
I stopped listening to 6 Music last year. Its constant splurge of presumably well-meaning platitudes - "Here's something that might make you feel a little less alone during these unprecedented times" - made me feel even worse and more lonely than I already did.

It was never some bubblegum pop or disco - or anything remotely unexpected - it was always The Undertones or Buzzcocks. I have nothing against either of those bands, but I just cannot bear the whole comfortably middle-aged, centrist parent psyche of that station.

Dancing around your fucking kitchen island to Devo. Piss off.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: sweeper on June 14, 2021, 01:14:20 PM
Tom R comes across as a lovely fella but I can't handle that drippy voice at all.

Glad to see the back of Keaveny - he is to radio what Larry King was to interviewing.


6 Music DJ ranking - best to worst

Gideon Coe


Tom Robinson
Marc Riley

Don Letts

Mary Anne Hobbs


The Blessed Madonna = Tom Ravenscroft

Craig Charles

Lauren Laverne


Stuart Maconie

Steve Lamacq



Liz Kershaw
Shaun Keaveny

You missed out Jamz Supernova and Gilles Peterson.

Can't imagine why.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 14, 2021, 01:22:54 PM
Decided to put the radio on this morning for the first time in years (usually only listen around dinner time whilst cooking). Lauren was playing “Da Funk” and afterwards she goes “Tell you what those Daft Punk helmets would be great in this weather, no need for sun screen.” Turned the radio off.

sound of the summer
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: the science eel on June 14, 2021, 01:24:36 PM
I stopped listening to 6 Music last year. Its constant splurge of presumably well-meaning platitudes - "Here's something that might make you feel a little less alone during these unprecedented times" - made me feel even worse and more lonely than I already did.

It was never some bubblegum pop or disco - or anything remotely unexpected - it was always The Undertones or Buzzcocks. I have nothing against either of those bands, but I just cannot bear the whole comfortably middle-aged, centrist parent psyche of that station.

Dancing around your fucking kitchen island to Devo. Piss off.

I'll say it again - Gideon Coe
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Jockice on June 14, 2021, 01:31:06 PM
I stopped listening to 6 Music last year. Its constant splurge of presumably well-meaning platitudes - "Here's something that might make you feel a little less alone during these unprecedented times" - made me feel even worse and more lonely than I already did.

It was never some bubblegum pop or disco - or anything remotely unexpected - it was always The Undertones or Buzzcocks. I have nothing against either of those bands, but I just cannot bear the whole comfortably middle-aged, centrist parent psyche of that station.

Dancing around your fucking kitchen island to Devo. Piss off.

Probably my two favourite bands ever. But I agree with you.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: willbo on June 14, 2021, 05:51:57 PM
I appreciate the variety of some of the best shows. The fact that sometimes I turn it on and it can be anything from Betty Harris to Camper Van Beethoven. I pretty much never listen to the evening shows where Mark/Lard/Maconie play their favourite post punk or whatever. I like the varied classics on the morning shows. I want them to have a current playlist because I want to know what's going on in music right now, who's cool etc.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Pink Gregory on June 14, 2021, 05:55:51 PM
dancing round the FUCK OFF FUCK OFF FUCK OFF
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: The Mollusk on June 14, 2021, 06:07:50 PM
To my own crushing dismay, I did actually find myself dancing in the kitchen to 6 Music last week. In my paltry defence, it was during Ezra’s show and she was playing this cracking west African highlife tune (https://youtu.be/Egy4MgevSag) which I’d never heard before and was immediately whipped into an arm-swaying happy vibe. I did feel somewhat appalled with myself but at least it wasn’t something like fucking Disclosure.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Camp Tramp on June 14, 2021, 07:05:24 PM
Radio 6 does seem a bit tired and hackneyed. The playlist became the bane of my existence when I was indoors reading for and writing essays.

Better than 2008 though. Listening to George Lamb got tiresome, fast!
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: OnlyRegisteredSoICanRead on June 14, 2021, 07:12:32 PM
Lamb's career peaked with presenting an eponymous daytime BBC Radio 6 Music show, for two years from October 2007 to November 2009,[3]
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Chicory on June 14, 2021, 07:22:19 PM
Better than 2008 though. Listening to George Lamb got tiresome, fast!

File under 'Disappointing sons who must have been considered smothering fodder at least once' along with James McCartney.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: amateur on June 15, 2021, 08:57:04 AM
Nothing wrong with having a dance to music in your own home you miserable fucks. It's magic, give it a go!

Intro by Alan Braxe & Fred Falke on presently. Now that's a proper song.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: gilbertharding on June 15, 2021, 09:10:29 AM
No-one (I think) is saying there is anything wrong with dancing ("bopping") round ones own kitchen.

It's the act of writing in to the radio station, and the subsequent reading out on that radio station of the fact which ought to be stamped out. Any response to music is something which should be spontaneous, and self-evident. Curse the Kitchen Disco infection.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on June 15, 2021, 09:15:11 AM
Exactly.

Dance yourselves dizzy, in your kitchens or elsewhere. I just can't stand the attention-seeking tweeness of contacting a radio station with all that "Oh wow! Just finished the school run! Classic tune, Lauren!" bollocks. 

And when Lauren or whoever actually reads that stuff out on air, well it just sickens me.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: amateur on June 15, 2021, 09:26:31 AM
Well I think it's great. I'd rather hear how other people are reacting to music that I enjoy than some fucker solemnly reading out tour dates.

Any response to music is something which should be spontaneous, and self-evident.

Not sure about this. Ever text a mate because you've heard a brilliant song?
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: phantom_power on June 15, 2021, 09:39:08 AM
Exactly.

Dance yourselves dizzy, in your kitchens or elsewhere. I just can't stand the attention-seeking tweeness of contacting a radio station with all that "Oh wow! Just finished the school run! Classic tune, Lauren!" bollocks. 

And when Lauren or whoever actually reads that stuff out on air, well it just sickens me.

Heaven forbid people enjoy a shared experience
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: poodlefaker on June 15, 2021, 09:41:59 AM
I wonder what Keavney is going to do after 6 music, it seemed like his bread and butter, I know he played a bit of guitar and tried his hand as a comic or something that never really went very far.

I think I heard him on Radio 4 the other day, sitting in for the Showbiz Vicar on that horrible Saturday morning show.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: poodlefaker on June 15, 2021, 09:47:24 AM
I just can't stand the attention-seeking tweeness of contacting a radio station with all that "Oh wow! Just finished the school run! Classic tune, Lauren!" bollocks.

People still write in for requests! I  mean, fair enough, this process no longer involves finding an envelope and a pen that works and walking to the post office to queue up for a stamp, but when almost the entire  history of recoded music is at your fingertips, do you really need to ask Tom Robinson to play "Oliver's Army" for you?
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: amateur on June 15, 2021, 09:49:41 AM
People still write in for requests! I  mean, fair enough, this process no longer involves finding an envelope and a pen that works and walking to the post office to queue up for a stamp, but when almost the entire  history of recoded music is at your fingertips, do you really need to ask Tom Robinson to play "Oliver's Army" for you?

Good luck getting that one played on the BBC any time soon.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: gilbertharding on June 15, 2021, 11:34:31 AM
Ever text a mate because you've heard a brilliant song?

Don't think so.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: willbo on June 15, 2021, 11:38:36 AM
I actually spent most of 2020 facebook messaging my brother whenever a song we liked was on R6. Everything from Sleeper to Bob Dylan to Aretha Franklin.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Satchmo Distel on June 15, 2021, 12:01:09 PM
Do any of the other DJs do Maconie's trick of pretending to know what he's talking about while feverishly Googling it? (I'm not saying that no other presenter does this, just that Maconie would have you believe it's all stored in his encyclopaedic memory because he's so passionate about musical history).
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on June 15, 2021, 01:28:18 PM
Heaven forbid people enjoy a shared experience

That isn't the point I'm making at all.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Endicott on June 15, 2021, 01:46:58 PM
Not sure about this. Ever text a mate because you've heard a brilliant song?

I have actually, because I can't help myself. Every time it's a complete flop. Total disaster. I really should have a word with myself.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: willbo on June 15, 2021, 01:50:36 PM
I have actually, because I can't help myself. Every time it's a complete flop. Total disaster. I really should have a word with myself.

text me about em mate
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Barry Admin on June 15, 2021, 01:55:05 PM
The "dancing round your kitchen" thing is just a funny cliche really; I smile with recognition when I see it in these threads. It's just people saying something they've heard other people say so they too can get on the radio, and is absolutely ripe for a bit of mild piss-taking.

Actually dancing round your kitchen is fun, yes.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: phantom_power on June 15, 2021, 02:12:06 PM
That isn't the point I'm making at all.

That is ultimately what you are describing though, but giving it a negative connotation
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Ron Maels Moustache on June 15, 2021, 02:22:30 PM
Heaven forbid people enjoy a shared experience

But it's fed by that performative/narcissistic twitter sphere where you have to be constantly demonstrating how much a part of the conversation you are. It doesn't feel like genuine shared enjoyment so much as presenting the version of you to your followers that is constantly Living Your Best life.

Honestly, it must be so exhausting having to keep up with that. It's why I generally restrict myself to the more low-key self-indulgence of Facebook.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: phantom_power on June 15, 2021, 03:02:15 PM
You see it as performative/narcissistic. I see it as people just wanting to be part of something, which is important generally but even more so at the moment. We all know people on social media who take it too far but just sending a text to a radio station saying what you are doing seems quite low key to me. Not much different to sharing bits of your life on a internet forum
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Barry Admin on June 15, 2021, 03:05:50 PM
You see it as performative/narcissistic. I see it as people just wanting to be part of something, which is important generally but even more so at the moment. We all know people on social media who take it too far but just sending a text to a radio station saying what you are doing seems quite low key to me. Not much different to sharing bits of your life on a internet forum

Agreed, phantom, but if CC was full of people saying "I laughed until a little bit of wee came out" and not much else, then you'd surely find it a bit tiring, no?

"Missed a bit!" - these kind of clichés just get very dull, and I don't think that's a bad thing.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: holyzombiejesus on June 15, 2021, 03:21:10 PM
I prefer laughing round my kitchen and dancing until a bit of wee comes out.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: phantom_power on June 15, 2021, 03:26:31 PM
Agreed, phantom, but if CC was full of people saying "I laughed until a little bit of wee came out" and not much else, then you'd surely find it a bit tiring, no?

"Missed a bit!" - these kind of clichés just get very dull, and I don't think that's a bad thing.

I see your point but it isn't like they are going to read out essays or anything too esoteric. It is more akin to the short, one-sentence forum in-joke posts that you get quite a lot of. Quite easy to ignore if you don't like them
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 15, 2021, 04:09:16 PM
The 'dancing round the kitchen' stuff is the midde-aged indie fleece dad version of phoning up Dave Pierce to tell him you, chicken and wozza are on the way back from Gatecrasher and STILL HAVING IT LARGE in Daventry services.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: peteprodge on June 15, 2021, 04:31:30 PM
Bit late to point this out, but Shaun Keaveney's 'goodbye' speech last week stated that he was "not being decommissioned", and that he's going to be doing "something else", and it's as vague as that, really.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: dr beat on June 15, 2021, 04:41:48 PM
Agreed, phantom, but if CC was full of people saying "I laughed until a little bit of wee came out" and not much else, then you'd surely find it a bit tiring, no?

"Missed a bit!" - these kind of clichés just get very dull, and I don't think that's a bad thing.

Dunno if this is the place to mention this, but similar stuff now clogs up football and cricket feeds on BBC.  Gets everywhere.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: the science eel on June 15, 2021, 04:43:54 PM
Bit late to point this out, but Shaun Keaveney's 'goodbye' speech last week stated that he was "not being decommissioned", and that he's going to be doing "something else", and it's as vague as that, really.

He's going to have some crisps

(eight-second pause)

and a pie

(longer pause)

I DO like a pie
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on June 15, 2021, 05:27:15 PM
Dunno if this is the place to mention this, but similar stuff now clogs up football and cricket feeds on BBC.  Gets everywhere.

It does. No one in this thread is complaining about people enjoying themselves - let's frug ourselves silly in the tombstone face of death - it's just the utter lack of imagination when it comes to certain forms of expression.

I'm guilty of it myself sometimes, we all are, but I think it's entirely fair enough to criticise twee, cosy cliches. They drain the life out of discourse and undermine spontaneous fun.

Anyway. Yowza, yowza, yowza.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Barry Admin on June 15, 2021, 05:45:17 PM
Dunno if this is the place to mention this, but similar stuff now clogs up football and cricket feeds on BBC.  Gets everywhere.

What sort of stuff do the cricket and footy fans say?
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: JaDanketies on June 15, 2021, 06:18:25 PM
There used to be these two guys just a few months ago who were on 6Music and seemed to be parodying the whole DJ thing, asking people to write in to talk about chairs or whatever. And they had an ident that mocked the Radio 2 guy Steve Wright (fucking awful guy, I always assumed he was the guy from The Wright Stuff but they just have the same voice and opinions), with a clip of him talking about "roving gangs of cats" or something. Can't remember what they were called but I guess they got bumped to another timeslot.

Radio 6 Music is obviously the best radio station.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: gilbertharding on June 15, 2021, 07:21:26 PM
It is more akin to the short, one-sentence forum in-joke posts that you get quite a lot of.

I live in hope that 'dancing round the kitchen' might one day take on ironic status (as a statement, not an actual act). I think, though, that the first dj to brace this leap was Sarah Kennedy, with her 'SWs' - short for 'Steve Wrights', referring to his habit of reading out listeners messages saying 'Dear Steve, love the show'.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: gilbertharding on June 15, 2021, 07:22:33 PM
There used to be these two guys just a few months ago who were on 6Music and seemed to be parodying the whole DJ thing, asking people to write in to talk about chairs or whatever. And they had an ident that mocked the Radio 2 guy Steve Wright (fucking awful guy, I always assumed he was the guy from The Wright Stuff but they just have the same voice and opinions), with a clip of him talking about "roving gangs of cats" or something. Can't remember what they were called but I guess they got bumped to another timeslot.


Whenever Steve Wright gets a sagging, I remember what they said about him in The Manual.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: JaDanketies on June 15, 2021, 07:27:20 PM
Whenever Steve Wright gets a sagging, I remember what they said about him in The Manual.

Quote
If it is now after 3pm and you have your studio booked, switch on Radio One and listen to “Steve Wright In The Afternoon”. Viewed from a certain angle the man is a genius. Find that angle and view. He is the most popular DJ in the country. He has been the heartbeat of the British psyche since 1985. You don’t even have to like him to be awed by him.

This above paragraph is not an attempt at obvious irony, it is for real. If you can’t find that angle then I am afraid you have wasted your money in buying this manual.

Sourced from none other than CookdandBombd
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: dr beat on June 15, 2021, 07:28:38 PM
What sort of stuff do the cricket and footy fans say?

On the BBC feeds, only the lowest common denominator twee old guff is allowed.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Tokyo van Ramming on June 15, 2021, 09:06:49 PM
There used to be these two guys just a few months ago who were on 6Music and seemed to be parodying the whole DJ thing, asking people to write in to talk about chairs or whatever. And they had an ident that mocked the Radio 2 guy Steve Wright (fucking awful guy, I always assumed he was the guy from The Wright Stuff but they just have the same voice and opinions), with a clip of him talking about "roving gangs of cats" or something. Can't remember what they were called but I guess they got bumped to another timeslot.

Radio 6 Music is obviously the best radio station.

Seeing as the Radio 2 guy talking about roving gangs of cats was actually Jeremy Vine, and this clip was played on Shaun Keaveny's show every damned day, it is in fact Shaun Keaveny who was the two guys you heard.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 15, 2021, 09:21:54 PM
I love how there's all these radio one criticisms that were inevitably written when I was too young to get the observations, yet he's still managing to do the same thing on radio 2 about 25+ years later and seemingly not changed a jot.

Based on the rumours I've seen on here, a fair bit of effort went into that faux, jovial spontaneous fun. Pre-recorded links, etc.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: gilbertharding on June 15, 2021, 10:31:40 PM
I think Steve Wrightintheafternoon is great, as it goes. I mean, I think he's a wanker, not a cunt (as Sarah Bee said about Gary Davies).
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: The Mollusk on June 15, 2021, 11:14:08 PM
What sort of stuff do the cricket and footy fans say?

“Loving the coverage today! Just accidentally-on-purpose twatted a ball at my dad’s bollocks in the kitchen!”
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Catalogue of ills on June 15, 2021, 11:54:55 PM
In the age of streaming services, it's not unreasonable to think that the purpose of radio is now quite binary. On the one hand (and it's a fucking big hand, you wouldn't want that up you) there are stations that cater for people who know what they like, and what they like is the same, predictable stuff over and over. Not my saucer of rat poison, but there you have it. On the other, much more slender hand, there is a role for radio in catering for people who don't want to exist in a diminished state of 'if you like that, you might like this' streaming recommendations, but want to hear something they've never heard before and that might get them excited. After all, for a tenner a month you can listen to most things you might want to hear, and there's youtube for the rest.

6 Music seems to be trying to cater to both camps (sort of a burger van that also does edible insects that are also somehow vegan) which arguably is the role of a public service broadcaster, although why one camp can't just say "Alexa, play I Wanna Be Adored on loop while I peruse kitchen islands and think about what might have been" I'm not sure. I suppose I'm saying that the existence of streaming services should mean that radio becomes more extreme and adventurous in what is played, because you can get what you know you like off the internet without some tired man interrupting your favourite outros. Ergo, bin the Keaveneys and the Lamacqs and replace with something more esoteric[1]
 1. For want of a better word. And there will be a better word
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: daf on June 16, 2021, 12:01:43 AM
Whenever Steve Wright gets a sagging,

Mr Angry get's a naggin'!
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: willbo on June 16, 2021, 07:36:55 AM
I suppose I'm saying that the existence of streaming services should mean that radio becomes more extreme and adventurous in what is played, because you can get what you know you like off the internet without some tired man interrupting your favourite outros.

I would have thought it was the opposite. I go to streaming for my own personal quirky tastes, I go to the radio for the shared experience of finding what the country/youth are into right now and being part of something bigger.

Personally I want R6 to have a playlist because I want to be updated in what's going on. I'm too old to hang out in student bars or whatever so I want help to keep my finger on the pulse. If a band like DC Fontaines or Sports Team are making a splash I want to know about it.

Personally I would have thought most people would find R6 alternative and experimental enough as a whole with all the freak zone type shows late at night, etc.

I don't expect R6 to be that youthy or edgy though. Because radio 1 exists for that. I just expect a radio version of the student bars I used to go to where mid-20s students would hang out with 50s/60s aged profs/mature students/local record shop owners/hippies and talk music.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Satchmo Distel on June 16, 2021, 08:31:21 AM
I think Steve Wrightintheafternoon is great, as it goes. I mean, I think he's a wanker, not a cunt (as Sarah Bee said about Gary Davies).

I think the homophobia of the old show makes him a cunt.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Chicory on June 16, 2021, 06:59:33 PM
I think the homophobia of the old show makes him a cunt.

I can't remember exactly how that went but I'm imagining something very akin to Alan Partridge's 'Camp David'.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on June 16, 2021, 07:11:15 PM
I can't remember exactly how that went but I'm imagining something very akin to Alan Partridge's 'Camp David'.

It was exactly like that. Gervais (not that one) the Hairdresser, a character whose entire M.O. was an endless stream of gay innuendo.

Nowt wrong with a bit of gay innuendo when the performers themselves are gay - Julian Clary and Larry Grayson were masters of it - but Steve Wright sniggering at a flamboyant homosexual stereotype is a different matter entirely. Imagine being gay! That was the level of the humour there.

And I say that as someone who regards Wright as an essentially harmless wally whose zany schtick often made laugh during his Radio 1 heyday.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: poodlefaker on June 18, 2021, 07:53:33 AM
"Berberian Sound Studio is how Mark Radcliffe says Ian Sound Studio" is still one of my favourite tweets of all time (Daniel Maier I think)

The Hair Bear Bunch is how Mark Radcliffe says the bunch.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Malcy on July 22, 2021, 03:38:30 PM
Craig Charles is taking the Keaveny slot.


www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-57912382
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Emotional Support Peacock on July 22, 2021, 03:51:37 PM
He’ll be a very busy man!

Amy Lame is moving to a virtual graveyard slot, can’t say I’m unhappy about that.

Losing an hour of RadMac. I don’t tend to listen to much radio pre-8am so I doubt I’ll notice. Hopefully they’re happy with an extra hour in bed.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Norton Canes on July 22, 2021, 04:00:05 PM
Ouch, yeah, that's kicked Amy Lamé right into touch.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on July 22, 2021, 04:38:40 PM
Craig Charles is taking the Keaveny slot.


www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-57912382

Glad to see he's keeping his funk and soul show. Although it is a little repetative these days, and also seems to have widened the gamut to plenty of reggae (I am fine with this, just being a pedant) I do still enjoy it.

I've not listened to him myself on R2 when he's filling in. But my dad has been quite complementary of him when he's wearing his 'general music and chat' radio DJ hat and said he's quite good at it, he's not a religious listener of him on 6 music but knows what it's like.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: the science eel on July 22, 2021, 04:41:30 PM
I was on Marc Riley's show on Monday night, answering his Anagram Sam thing

www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000xzwg

(starts around an hour and 53 minutes in)
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Chicory on July 22, 2021, 06:59:33 PM
Convinced more than ever that Lamacq is a human sized cockroach in a Black Flag T shirt.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Tokyo van Ramming on July 22, 2021, 07:08:22 PM
Glad to see he's keeping his funk and soul show. Although it is a little repetative these days, and also seems to have widened the gamut to plenty of reggae (I am fine with this, just being a pedant) I do still enjoy it.

I've not listened to him myself on R2 when he's filling in. But my dad has been quite complementary of him when he's wearing his 'general music and chat' radio DJ hat and said he's quite good at it, he's not a religious listener of him on 6 music but knows what it's like.

He's covered for Lamacq quite a bit and obviously it was more of a general kind of show than the funk and soul thing, but christ it was 1000 times better. Personally I thought Radcliffe and Maconie were fine for the afternoon slot, and Charles would be my first choice for DRIVE TIME

I was on Marc Riley's show on Monday night, answering his Anagram Sam thing

I got a shoutout once for a very easy go on the t-shirt game while dancing around my kitchen to Jerhro Tull.

Convinced more than ever that Lamacq is a human sized cockroach in a Black Flag T shirt.

Cruel maybe, but he could've been anything he wanted to be.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on July 22, 2021, 08:34:24 PM
He's covered for Lamacq quite a bit and obviously it was more of a general kind of show than the funk and soul thing, but christ it was 1000 times better. Personally I thought Radcliffe and Maconie were fine for the afternoon slot, and Charles would be my first choice for DRIVE TIME

Been ages since I heard Lamacq and agree he needs putting out to pasture. As I say my old man thought he was great on drive time/mid morning fill ins on R2. It seems like he might actually be a really talented entertainer but the average funk and soul fan just knows him as that. I say average, that could well be me!
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: Ron Maels Moustache on July 22, 2021, 08:49:45 PM
Hmm, interesting choice. I was convinced Huw Stevens had the Keavney slot in the bag tbh, given how much covering he's been doing in daytime lately, but I'll take it.
Title: Re: Minor 6 Music Shake-Up
Post by: mobias on July 22, 2021, 08:57:54 PM
I'm up for Craig Charles in the afternoon. I followed quite a heated discussion on Twitter yesterday on a Radio 6 thread. Shaun Keaveny sure has his hardcore fans who's world has come to an end at the news he's leaving. Sadly though they can't argue with the plummet in listeners for his afternoon show. Its just a dud show for whats the prime time afternoon slot.

Apparently RadMac didn't want to give up that slot. I was under the impression it was their decision to end it but apparently it came as a surprise to them. I guess that show was starting to loose listeners too.

Steve Lamacq is in his afternoon slot forever. He gets all the indy dads tuning in after the school run. Its a solid slot for him.