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Title: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on May 22, 2021, 05:41:57 PM
The excellent Last of the Summer Robocop thread inspired me to watch Last of the Summer Wine clips on YouTube, which got me to order the box set of Last of the Summer Wine series 1 to 10.

I'm halfway through series 4 at the moment. The first two series have Michael Bates playing the first member of the Compo and Clegg threesome, Blamire. Although Bates tries his best, the character just isn't funny and the first two series are a chore to sit through. When the wonderful Foggy Dewhurst, my favourite Last of the Summer Wine character and one of my favourite comedy characters, arrives, the show really improves. Its lovely to watch this character get his pomposity pricked all the time.

Last of the Summer Wine reminds me of lamb chops with mint sauce as we would have that for dinner before watching the show.

Compo isn't all that funny to me, his constant harassment of Nora Batty is pretty grim and he is quite disgusting (and that's from someone with a disgusting sink and toilet). Clegg is still good fun though, as is Ivy, although Sid isn't my cup of tea. The first few series have a lot of scenes in the library which I dont think happened at all later on.

Considering getting the full box set for the later Dewhurst episodes and the Frank Thornton episodes. Its £70 though but there is very little else on TV, so will have to save up. Cant see it in the few charity shops I've braved the past couple of months.

The early series have quite a lot of homophobic content, although there isn't much racism thankfully. It's weird seeing Compo and Clegg make bigoted comments.

Are you a Last of the Summer Wine fan? Who is your favourite third man?
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Huxleys Babkins on May 22, 2021, 06:56:57 PM
I believe it's all on Britbox (Google seems to think so, but there's no definitive listing), so you could potentially sub to that for a bit to see the rest.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on May 22, 2021, 08:28:03 PM
Had a look on Britbox but there are only three Christmas specials, I watched the one "Getting Sam Home" based on the Roy Clarke novel. That was good. The one where Nora Batty becomes a waitress wasnt very good, the third one where Barry and Glenda get married was ok.

I'm surprised how hard Last of the Summer Wine is to find on streaming services, given how popular it was and how it ended relatively recently.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: purlieu on May 22, 2021, 08:53:07 PM
The first two series are more like a mildly comic drama rather than an outright sitcom. I'm fond of some of Foggy's first two series too, it retains some of that charm, but from the late '70s onwards, the shift into slapstick and catchphrases moved it towards the oft-maligned show that I can't say I'm so fond of. It's a shame, too, because Roy Clarke's strength has always been well-observed dialogue and the peculiarities of the way people gossip. The best bits in later series always came from Foggy's introductory scenes, where you'd find him explaining to some poor stranger how when he was in the army, 'the natives' would call him He Who Walks With Danger and so on, daft little flights of fancy. And Clegg's gentle philosophising between the action was often pretty amusing. But the contraption-on-wheels-of-the-week type stories were really, really tiresome - I still see bits of it because my parents always watch the repeat runs on Yesterday, and it's painful just how signposted every plot point, pratfall and gag is in these bits.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: PeterCornelius on May 23, 2021, 10:40:55 AM
I could never understand why it ran for so many years. I remember catching an episode from one of the later series and it redefined 'twee'.

Did it have high ratings?
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: checkoutgirl on May 23, 2021, 11:09:20 AM
Quote from: Fambo Number Mive on May 22, 2021, 05:41:57 PM
The first few series have a lot of scenes in the library which I dont think happened at all later on.

What do you mean by this?
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on May 23, 2021, 01:06:53 PM
Quote from: checkoutgirl on May 23, 2021, 11:09:20 AM
What do you mean by this?

In the first few series, they spend a lot of the time in their local library acting like Garies, causing them to be thrown out much of the time. In one episode, Foggy gets them to lift up a table to test their strength which is bolted to the floor, and they
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I don't recall any scenes set in the library in later series. One of the library staff is a
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, which apparently was hilarious in the 1970s, and another pair are
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Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: idunnosomename on May 23, 2021, 01:31:24 PM
Quote from: PeterCornelius on May 23, 2021, 10:40:55 AM
I could never understand why it ran for so many years. I remember catching an episode from one of the later series and it redefined 'twee'.

Did it have high ratings?
didn't it have a good international market? For some bizarre reason

Christ the Simpsons just past its number of seasons. A comparable dip into an absolute shambling insult of itself, although they havent run into the main cast popping their clogs yet.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Glebe on May 23, 2021, 02:04:28 PM
Quote from: purlieu on May 22, 2021, 08:53:07 PMBut the contraption-on-wheels-of-the-week type stories were really, really tiresome - I still see bits of it because my parents always watch the repeat runs on Yesterday, and it's painful just how signposted every plot point, pratfall and gag is in these bits.

(https://i.imgur.com/Hxphx7X.jpg)
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: checkoutgirl on May 23, 2021, 02:40:59 PM
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/80sSbLzSuak/hqdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: sheddyian on May 23, 2021, 04:20:42 PM
As an adult I was mostly familiar with the later plodding and numbingly predictable later series.

The early 80s Christmas special "Getting Sam Home" was reshown, possibly as a tribute when Bill Owen died.

I was surprised how funny it was. Far superior, comedy wise , to what it would later become.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Dusty Substance on May 23, 2021, 04:57:14 PM

Was there ever actually an episode where they slid down a hill a bathtub or is it one of those misremembered Mandela effects?
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: vainsharpdad on May 23, 2021, 05:16:44 PM
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5jg7mv


23 mins in
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Dusty Substance on May 23, 2021, 05:27:19 PM
Quote from: vainsharpdad on May 23, 2021, 05:16:44 PM
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5jg7mv


23 mins in

Cheers! That gave me two unexpected laughs. The first was the dummy in the bath, not even a obvious stuntman, an actual dummy. The second was the dislodged pipe pouring water into the bath.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: idunnosomename on May 23, 2021, 06:32:37 PM
Although not conclusive, these cunts (https://www.cookdandbombd.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=28062.0) seem to think it probably was the Vic and Bob pastiche of that episode in their wonderful BBC spot that really cemented it in the popular imagination.

God that ending scene with the picnic is so weak. It's like an American send up of British sitcoms.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: neveragain on May 23, 2021, 06:56:06 PM
Quote from: idunnosomename on May 23, 2021, 01:31:24 PM
didn't it have a good international market? For some bizarre reason

Christ the Simpsons just past its number of seasons. A comparable dip into an absolute shambling insult of itself, although they havent run into the main cast popping their clogs yet.

I don't believe The Simpsons have outran them, in seasons, episodes or years on the box.
Be back in a minute...
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: neveragain on May 23, 2021, 07:04:37 PM
Oh I got mixed up...

Wine:
37 years
31 series
295 episodes

Simps:
22 years
32 seasons
705 episodes

So it depends what statistic you're looking at but the Brits still come out tops in length.
Also, LotSW is still the most-episode-having live action sitcom, though Big Bang was quite close at 279 (but only 12 years).
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: idunnosomename on May 23, 2021, 08:31:30 PM
yes only its number of seasons, but Wine did have an unusually large amount of episodes in each series for British sitcom. by that fucking bath episode it was up to around 10 episodes a series.

as we all know, the average British legendary and successful comedy series has an unaired pilot, three episodes, and a christmas special.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Glebe on May 23, 2021, 08:37:04 PM
Check out the ending of this (https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5jr051).
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: badaids on May 23, 2021, 08:45:29 PM
Right the thing is that Last of the Summer Wine will forever be, for me and many others growing up in the 80s, the shit boring program with the three miserable old unfunny cunts that heralded the actual physical and spiritual point where the weekend ended and it was school tomorrow, and it was still hours before Spitting Image and the American Football came on ITV and Channel 4. Even outside of that, the tone and atmosphere of LOTSW was just a horribly bleak reminder that there was never anything to do ever and everything was filling in the moments before you died.  That was a lot to deal with when you were 10 years old.  It's so strongly encoded in my brain that even I don't think anything will ever change it.  Even an image or clip of it brings back that horrible bleakness.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: imitationleather on May 23, 2021, 11:40:49 PM
Yeah I used to live with my Nan who obviously loved it and watched it every Sunday and just hearing the theme tune in those videos filled me with real despair.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: checkoutgirl on May 24, 2021, 12:00:07 AM
It's sort of in the same area as Mrs Brown's Boys, tired old gags for old farts with no taste in comedy. When I was a lad the channel would be quickly changed if it came on. I used to lump One Foot in the Grave in with it which was probably a mistake.

Last of the Summer Wine ended in 2010 and not long after Mrs Brown's Boys started to gain popularity in England so there'll probably always be a place for slapstick and willy jokes for old people on telly.

I remember being confused by First of the Summer Wine. What could that be?
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Autopsy Turvey on May 24, 2021, 10:05:01 AM
Quote from: badaids on May 23, 2021, 08:45:29 PM
Right the thing is that Last of the Summer Wine will forever be, for me and many others growing up in the 80s, the shit boring program with the three miserable old unfunny cunts that heralded the actual physical and spiritual point where the weekend ended and it was school tomorrow... a horribly bleak reminder that there was never anything to do ever and everything was filling in the moments before you died.  That was a lot to deal with when you were 10 years old.  It's so strongly encoded in my brain that even I don't think anything will ever change it.  Even an image or clip of it brings back that horrible bleakness.

Blimey. This must be an eye of the beholder thing, because when I was a kid growing up in the 80s, LOTSW represented total freedom, and a sort of best-case scenario for old age, where you got to ramble at leisure over a serene and beautiful landscape with no money worries, no nagging wives, no disapproving children, just mucking about with your mates, lazing about on hillsides, philosophising and solving silly problems in an Arcadian paradise for eternity.

Quote from: checkoutgirl on May 24, 2021, 12:00:07 AM
It's sort of in the same area as Mrs Brown's Boys,

Nowhere near it.

QuoteLast of the Summer Wine ended in 2010 and not long after Mrs Brown's Boys started to gain popularity in England so there'll probably always be a place for slapstick and willy jokes for old people on telly.

Can't remember a single willy joke in all LOTSW history (except when Compo burst puppy with cock). Even the slapstick was used fairly sparingly, it was mostly a warm and gentle character piece, effectively the opposite of Mrs Brown's Boys.

QuoteI remember being confused by First of the Summer Wine. What could that be?

A prequel?
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: idunnosomename on May 24, 2021, 10:16:01 AM
I think one reason it went on so long is that the royals professed to liking it, so are Beeb felt obliged to keep making it, like a burnt offering.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: A Hat Like That on May 24, 2021, 10:43:24 AM
Quote from: Glebe on May 23, 2021, 08:37:04 PM
Check out the ending of this (https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5jr051).

I enjoyed that much more than I should have done.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Quote on May 24, 2021, 06:06:36 PM
I ended up watching repeats of it during the early stages of lockdown last year, as it wasn't exactly a challenging watch, had some nice scenery in the background and had some faint nostalgia attached to it for me - my Dad always found it hilariously funny, for reasons I could never fully comprehend, and so it was a fixture for us on Sunday evenings growing up. Presumably like me during lockdown, that was the appeal for many viewers first time around, a faintly amusing but not too taxing distraction from worrying over the grim spectre of death.

The episodes with Foggy are obviously the best ones, all the other replacements/alternatives they had for his character were far less likeable or amusing. That seemed like the highpoint for me, as a fairly casual LOTSW watcher (I only watched these repeats as they were shown on Gold, which seemed to flick from 'classic era' to either side of that era and back). The early ones are like some experimental uncomedic 'comedy' theatre group given airtime thanks to the BBC's largesse and the later ones are just depressingly awful. The ones towards the very end of the show were really fucking grim, Bill Owen's son and Russ Abbott (plus a Chinese bloke for some reason) wheezing around Yorkshire in poor rewrites of scenario's the show must have covered at least fifty times before. The recurring jokes and background characters - Thora Hird's terrible driving, her husband covered in oil, Howard and Marina, Howard's sour-faced wife giving him grief all the time etc, generally start off being quite funny (in a very gentle manner) but end up just being pointless fan service and a cheap way to fill up the running time. Plus over the course of the show you can't help but notice most of the cast have kicked the bucket (or look to be on the verge of doing so) only to be replaced by broader and less amusing versions of themselves, so that's kind of depressing.

I really quite enjoyed the Foggy-era episodes, even if it wasn't laugh out-loud funny, just occasionally amusing. Brian Wilde is great and brings the best out of his two coffin-dodging partners in crime. The relationship between the three of them feels far more authentic & real when he's in the show (it could just be that this was the era I faintly remembered from my youth, before the first notes of the theme tune began to instinctively send me scurrying upstairs).

I couldn't tell you whether I actually 'like' the show as a whole or not but it helped me pass some time and kept me from worrying myself over the possibility of my family potentially dying.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: idunnosomename on May 24, 2021, 06:13:30 PM
The Chinese bloke was Burt Kwouk! Who was actually born Herbert in Warrington you know (but raised and schooled in Shanghai)

But yes grim grim grim
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Quote on May 24, 2021, 06:26:44 PM
I should have known that. In my defense I ended up immediately turning off anything from that period of the programme, catching the 'vid would have been more pleasurable.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: bigfatheart on May 24, 2021, 06:57:27 PM
Until I see evidence otherwise, I choose to believe that the Burt Kwouk era episodes consist entirely of him getting into a bath on wheels in an attempt to catch a chicken.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: An tSaoi on May 24, 2021, 06:59:44 PM
Ha ha imagine a Chinaman having an English surname like Entwistle. He's from the far East... Hull! Hilarious.

Edit: It gets worse...

Quote from: Wikipedia
'Electrical' Entwistle
(Burt Kwouk; 2002–10) Electrician and fortune-teller from the land of eastern wisdom, Hull. His original surname was McIntyre, but he changed it so that people wouldn't mistake him for a Scotsman. When Wesley died, Entwistle took over his job of shuttling the others across the countryside, in a battered red Toyota Hilux pick-up truck, and occasionally constructing the various contraptions the main trio produce.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Last_of_the_Summer_Wine_characters#'Electrical'_Entwistle

That was the level of the show in the end.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Autopsy Turvey on May 24, 2021, 07:07:26 PM
I thought the last series was on the up, the Kwouk/Abbott/Murphy triumvirate were just finding their feet when it was cruelly axed. Maintain it as a vehicle for veteran sitcom actors to keep their hands in I say, it's a very loose and phantasmagorical sort of set-up for a show. Works much better in that context than Still Open All Hours, Roy Clarke should have just written David Jason into LOTSW as a shopkeeper.

(new page of the summer wine)
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: An tSaoi on May 24, 2021, 07:16:40 PM
How did the show address actors dying every other week? I remember Compo dying, and it was a big deal, but I'm not sure about the rest.

Did they acknowledge that so-and-so had died, or were they never mentioned again?
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: vainsharpdad on May 24, 2021, 07:23:49 PM
Poignant tribute was paid as their corpse was launched downhill in a wheeled bathtub.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: petril on May 24, 2021, 08:29:12 PM
Quote from: An tSaoi on May 24, 2021, 07:16:40 PM
How did the show address actors dying every other week? I remember Compo dying, and it was a big deal, but I'm not sure about the rest.

Did they acknowledge that so-and-so had died, or were they never mentioned again?

they just rotated another old actor in, to a stage where the main Trio included Russ Abbot and Burt Kwouk iirc
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: An tSaoi on May 24, 2021, 08:54:43 PM
Yeah but did they mention the previous fella had carked it? Or did everyone "move away"?
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Ignatius_S on May 24, 2021, 09:06:14 PM
Quote from: petrilTanaka on May 24, 2021, 08:29:12 PM
they just rotated another old actor in, to a stage where the main Trio included Russ Abbot and Burt Kwouk iirc

Nope. Not that many of the cast died when they were still involved in the series - also, by the time of Kwouk, Murphy, Abbot etc., there wasn't a main trio as such but a large ensemble cast.

Of the main trio, only one - Bill Owen - died when he was still in the show and they gave him a big send-off over more than one episode. Michael Bates left the show due to cancer and had to cut down his work commitments (although he and Owen had a major argument over politics that almost led to recasting, Owen was one of the last people to visit Bates in hospital). Michael Aldridge left the show to care for his wife. Brian Wilde had left the show a second time before his death; basically, he pulled out of a series due to illness (shingles, iirc) that wasn't as serious as first feared and although they asked if he wanted to do it, Wilde decided he wanted to left the show for good, but they explained Foggy's absence and it was open to him coming back.  Sallis and Thornton both passed away after the show ended.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Quote on May 24, 2021, 09:34:45 PM
Thora Hird's character appeared in a photo on the mantlepiece of her Daughter's home surrounded by flowers in later episodes, obviously implying she had passed away. Not sure if they gave her a full funeral in-show.

They did write characters out, only to be replaced not long after by someone who filled a broadly similar role in the dynamics of the group - but it was generally more subtle than seeing a corpse being wheeled out the back of the cafe one moment, only to have their replacement arrive at the till five seconds later.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Ignatius_S on May 24, 2021, 10:22:30 PM
Quote from: Quote on May 24, 2021, 09:34:45 PM
Thora Hird's character appeared in a photo on the mantlepiece of her Daughter's home surrounded by flowers in later episodes, obviously implying she had passed away. Not sure if they gave her a full funeral in-show.

They did write characters out, only to be replaced not long after by someone who filled a broadly similar role in the dynamics of the group - but it was generally more subtle than seeing a corpse being wheeled out the back of the cafe one moment, only to have their replacement arrive at the till five seconds later.

Wouldn't say that - characters weren't always replaced and when they were, there was a difference to them and the dynamics.

With the main trio, for instance, the dynamic between Blamire, Compo and Clegg is very different to the one after Foggy replaces Blamire. With the first trio, Blamire and Compo bicker like children, whilst Clegg often has an aloof air. Clegg is the one at the top but doesn't feel the need to impose their authority as Foggy or Seymour invariably do. There are particularly telling scenes such as where Blamire looks over to Clegg appealing for his support and approval, and Clegg barely shakes his head much to Blamire's frustration.

With Foggy, it's very different. He wants to be the leader, which Compo and Clegg indulge him for their amusement and something to do. Although to a degree, this happens with Seymour, he goes about it fairly differently - e.g. attempting to persuade through reason, rather ordering. Also, others see him differently - Seymour is seen (by some) as having a certain distinction due to his education and profession, giving him more respect than Foggy will ever get. Seymour, I would say has slightly more self-awareness than the deluded Foggy and isn't without charm.

When Truly is another Foggy replacement, the character is a lot more shrewd than Foggy, has a wicked sense of humour and there's an affinity with Clegg that is substantially different to his relationship with the earlier 'third man'.  By this time, due to age, the characters were slowing down (when the show first started the main three are most likely in their early 50s, after all) that had an impact on the writing. Billy Hardcastle took over from Compo and although there was some similarities with their characters, not so with the dynamics between the three and during this time the series was shifting towards an ensemble one.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Quote on May 24, 2021, 10:46:02 PM
Yes, I probably over-simplified the changes throughout the show as different characters and personal dynamics emerged. I preferred Foggy to any of the other 'third member of the gang' characters, so always looked upon them as a bit of a letdown in comparison, ignoring that they weren't written to fill the same role and perpetuate the same group dynamics as when Brian Wilde was in it.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Ignatius_S on May 25, 2021, 12:07:43 AM
Quote from: Quote on May 24, 2021, 10:46:02 PM
Yes, I probably over-simplified the changes throughout the show as different characters and personal dynamics emerged. I preferred Foggy to any of the other 'third member of the gang' characters, so always looked upon them as a bit of a letdown in comparison, ignoring that they weren't written to fill the same role and perpetuate the same group dynamics as when Brian Wilde was in it.

To be fair, the Foggy-Seymour-Foggy period is an awfully long one - twenty-one years - and although not identical, would say the two characters were closer in similarities compared to the other third men and suspect that's affected how replacements are commonly seen. I have to admit being very surprised by the dynamic with Blamire and the others, thinking it would be closer to Foggy's.

The show was rather clever at introducing new characters and using guest stars to distract when people left. Also, I think as explanations for departures tended to be given later when people were used to not seeing the characters, this drew far less attention to their absence than if those mentions had been made quickly after the last disappearance. Also, I feel it often made it seem that the characters were still part of that universe and could be seen again one day. In the case of Barry, it was quite canny  the way that he was mentioned in such a natural way (e.g. when the wives were talking at coffee mornings about their husbands) that his reintroduction after several years worked rather effectively.

That said, the sudden departure of Billy Hardcastle is quite jarring and totally unexplained. IIRC, Julie T Wallace's character and her daughter were quickly written out, credited due to unfavourable audience responses and in that case, least said, soonest mended was likely the approach taken.

It's been interesting to read such affection for Foggy - after Wilde left the second time, they kept the door open and tried getting him back without any luck (obvs).
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: letsgobrian on May 25, 2021, 12:11:00 AM
Despite it ending, Clarke is still pretty much writing Last of the Summer Wine with Still Open All Hours with Tim Healy as the Compo-lite "Gastric" and Brigit Forsyth as a sort of combination Nora Batty / Hyacinth Bucket.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Ignatius_S on May 25, 2021, 12:19:19 AM
This site (which mainly looks at episodes) has an interesting interview with Jonathan Linsley - http://summerwinos.co.uk/?p=2540 - that has some good stuff about the show and also how his character, Crusher, changed from the stage show to the series.

Andrew Vine's book on the series is very good read as well.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Glebe on May 25, 2021, 12:22:33 AM
I remember a BBC trail for Summer Wine when Michael Aldridge joined, one of those where the voiceover goes "and a new face arrives!" type of things (think there was a similar tease when Uncle Albert first appeared in OFAH). Didn't Aldridge's character come up with wacky ideas a la Foggy? I seem to remember one where he gets his leg caught on a rope and ends ups swinging upside down against an obvious blue screen background.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on May 25, 2021, 02:24:03 PM
Quote from: Ignatius_S on May 25, 2021, 12:19:19 AM
This site (which mainly looks at episodes) has an interesting interview with Jonathan Linsley - http://summerwinos.co.uk/?p=2540 - that has some good stuff about the show and also how his character, Crusher, changed from the stage show to the series.

Andrew Vine's book on the series is very good read as well.

That's an interesting website - have started reading the series 1 and 2 reviews.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: purlieu on May 25, 2021, 06:32:31 PM
Quote from: badaids on May 23, 2021, 08:45:29 PM
Right the thing is that Last of the Summer Wine will forever be, for me and many others growing up in the 80s, the shit boring program with the three miserable old unfunny cunts that heralded the actual physical and spiritual point where the weekend ended and it was school tomorrow, and it was still hours before Spitting Image and the American Football came on ITV and Channel 4. Even outside of that, the tone and atmosphere of LOTSW was just a horribly bleak reminder that there was never anything to do ever and everything was filling in the moments before you died.  That was a lot to deal with when you were 10 years old.  It's so strongly encoded in my brain that even I don't think anything will ever change it.  Even an image or clip of it brings back that horrible bleakness.
It's definitely up there with Antiques Roadshow and Songs of Praise in terms of end-of-the-weekend dread, the theme tune still fills me with that feeling.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Ignatius_S on May 25, 2021, 06:36:06 PM
Quote from: Glebe on May 25, 2021, 12:22:33 AM
I remember a BBC trail for Summer Wine when Michael Aldridge joined, one of those where the voiceover goes "and a new face arrives!" type of things (think there was a similar tease when Uncle Albert first appeared in OFAH)...

Ah, that's interesting - and given the show's popularity at that time, it would be surprising if they didn't make a big thing of it. Aldridge's first episode was a special, which introduced new characters and having Thora Hird as a guest star (and she was always credited as thus) was a big thing... certainly, the news that she was playing Edie contributed to the pressure that Gordon Wharmby felt and who was hospitalised after suffering a nervous breakdown.

Quote from: Glebe on May 25, 2021, 12:22:33 AM...Didn't Aldridge's character come up with wacky ideas a la Foggy? I seem to remember one where he gets his leg caught on a rope and ends ups swinging upside down against an obvious blue screen background.

Yes and a running theme was the involvement of inventions that Seymour came up - however, as his time went on in the series, feel that they reduced that element. By all accounts, Aldridge was a complete delight to work with and his influence made the show a lot more fun to work on.

With the scene hanging down, I know the one you meant - saw it a little while ago and thought it was pretty well done and can't recall a blue screen look. On the whole, they did the stunts and use of doubles pretty convincingly. I saw the bath episode, posted earlier in the thread, very recently and when at one point, when they were pushing the bath, noticed how the faces of the actors were concealed by how they positioned in relation to the camera (e.g. characters bent over, or looking away) and that it was obviously doubles being used, but at that point, the actors moved so you could see it was the stars, which I thought was a clever bit of editing - in the shot that had the actual stars, they started in the kind of positions that the doubles were moving in to help create the illusion it was them earlier.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Ignatius_S on May 25, 2021, 06:53:16 PM
Quote from: purlieu on May 25, 2021, 06:32:31 PM
It's definitely up there with Antiques Roadshow and Songs of Praise in terms of end-of-the-weekend dread, the theme tune still fills me with that feeling.

Although I think people's memories are playing tricks on them a little bit. The series only permanently moved to Sundays during the 1990s; in the 1980s, there was a move to Sundays for some series, but others continued to be shown on weekday evenings - albeit at a more family-friendly time slot than in the 1970s.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Ignatius_S on May 25, 2021, 06:53:58 PM
Quote from: Fambo Number Mive on May 25, 2021, 02:24:03 PM
That's an interesting website - have started reading the series 1 and 2 reviews.

Glad you enjoyed it - and because you started this thread, I've just bought the Alan Bell book about the series as I'm in the mood!
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Elderly Sumo Prophecy on May 25, 2021, 07:01:53 PM
Fambo, why on earth are you subjecting yourself to hundreds of hours of this? Surely there must be better things to watch?

Unless you secretly love it of course, in which case carry on.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Cold Meat Platter on May 25, 2021, 07:10:04 PM
Fuck off.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Elderly Sumo Prophecy on May 25, 2021, 07:44:08 PM
Quote from: Cold Meat Platter on May 25, 2021, 07:10:04 PM
Fuck off.

Is this directed at me, pray?
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: gilbertharding on May 25, 2021, 08:33:09 PM
Quote from: badaids on May 23, 2021, 08:45:29 PM
Right the thing is that Last of the Summer Wine will forever be, for me and many others growing up in the 80s, the shit boring program with the three miserable old unfunny cunts that heralded the actual physical and spiritual point where the weekend ended and it was school tomorrow, and it was still hours before Spitting Image and the American Football came on ITV and Channel 4. Even outside of that, the tone and atmosphere of LOTSW was just a horribly bleak reminder that there was never anything to do ever and everything was filling in the moments before you died.  That was a lot to deal with when you were 10 years old.  It's so strongly encoded in my brain that even I don't think anything will ever change it.  Even an image or clip of it brings back that horrible bleakness.

Reeks of Vosene.

Although, I remember finding it very, very funny. Not for long, but when I first watched it (era of Foggy, Wally Batty, and Sid café bloke). Rot set in with the introduction of Wesley, Barry, Howard and all that lot.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on May 26, 2021, 01:02:56 PM
Quote from: Elderly Sumo Prophecy on May 25, 2021, 07:01:53 PM
Fambo, why on earth are you subjecting yourself to hundreds of hours of this? Surely there must be better things to watch?

Unless you secretly love it of course, in which case carry on.

It's amusing, a distraction from all the bleak global news, well written and to be honest there isn't much else to watch. 

Finished the Andrew Vine book today, which is well worth a read.

Watched the episode where they try to work out how big Nora Batty's feet are yesterday. Very amusing with a nice ending.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: El Unicornio, mang on May 26, 2021, 01:19:48 PM
It's a show I, as a young person, hated at the time or at least professed to hate, but have a kind of fondness for it now. It's so gentle and easy going, like sliding into a warm bath (on wheels), with lovely scenery and the kind of old northern characters I'm familiar with. It seemed forever stuck in a quaint old wartime spirit England that hasn't existed for decades (and possibly never did) which I think made it appealing. It's escapism in its own way which I think was comforting on a Sunday evening as opposed to an episode of Taggart or something like that. I guess a show like Call the Midwife has similar appeal.

I had a friend at college who was obsessed with the show (along with the music of Falco and gay clubs) and once insisted I come over as he'd got hold of an episode where Foggy calls Compo "fuck-face". I went round and he was there with the tape lined up and a girl from college who he had shown it to and also insisted it was "fuck-face". Watched it and it did sound like "fuck-face" but then realised after replaying it about 10 times that it was "frog-face". Quite how we thought Last of the Summer Wine had gotten the f-word into an episode is beyond me.

Although apparently we weren't the only ones: https://www.summerwine.net/community/threads/compo-saying-the-f-word.10731/

@ 24:13 - https://youtu.be/xv2RcJjanqg?t=1450
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Elderly Sumo Prophecy on May 26, 2021, 04:22:32 PM
I dunno, it depressed the fuck out of me when I was a kid, because it was always shown on Sundays, so it gave you that "going back to school tomorrow" maudlin feeling. Plus it gave you a glimpse of a possible future for yourself; some old cunt in the middle of nowhere, fucking about in baths and getting aroused by an old lady's baggy tights.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on May 26, 2021, 04:40:26 PM
The beauty of rural Yorkshire is also nice to look at.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: jamiefairlie on May 26, 2021, 06:10:23 PM
Quote from: Elderly Sumo Prophecy on May 26, 2021, 04:22:32 PM
Plus it gave you a glimpse of a possible future for yourself; some old cunt in the middle of nowhere, fucking about in baths.

In all honesty, that sounds like an ideal future compared to the most likely alternatives.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: badaids on May 26, 2021, 08:53:44 PM

On a Sunday in the late 1990s, I vividly remember flicking over from Snooker the  highlights to land on an episode of Last of the Summer Wine, dwelling on it for a bit and being utterly amazed at how batshit mental it was.  I then later learned I had been watching the first ever episode of The League of Gentlemen.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Glebe on May 26, 2021, 09:53:37 PM
Quote from: Ignatius_S on May 25, 2021, 12:19:19 AMThis site (which mainly looks at episodes) has an interesting interview with Jonathan Linsley - http://summerwinos.co.uk/?p=2540 - that has some good stuff about the show and also how his character, Crusher, changed from the stage show to the series.

Thanks for that Ignatius, very interesting! Didn't know Crusher started out as a character in a stage show version! I'd heard Lindsey was in the Pirates movies, never actually watched any of them. Robert Fyfe popped up in the Wachowski's Cloud Atlas, oddly enough.

QuoteI once asked Noel Edmonds, who had a very nice dressing room on the upper floor, if I could use his room when he'd finished with it, because he used to fly off home in his helicopter,  and there was an empty dressing room for the rest of the day! Well that really upset the BBC because I'd gone outside protocol and asked another performer directly. Of course, Noel said it was no problem at all, he wasn't using it. But the BBC said 'Well, he might come back and use it later...'

Fantastic.

Quote...I socialised with Peter Sallis in Eastbourne, because he was going through his 'I've never been to a nightclub' phase! And we used to take him out to nightclubs and discos, and he thought it was brilliant.

Heh!

Quote...in the early 1980s, there was that slight punk feel... which had happened in the late 1970s, and we brought that in. The wristbands and the leather and the studs, and originally I had a ripped t-shirt with safety pins in it. That was the fashion at the time, and I think all we were trying for was to be fashionable. Crusher was a product of his time. And that made him a little bit anarchic, and a little bit difficult... so that's why I can see what you're saying about The Young Ones. Here was a different generation coming into a television series that was really about the older generation. They hadn't had a youngster in the show at all, and I was very aware of that.

It's weird, I recall Crusher being more of a rock 'n' roller... not a teddy boy exactly, but not a full-on heavy metaller or anything. Certainly not a punk!

Quote...I lost fourteen stone in weight, half my body weight, and of course the newspapers got hold of that. The News of the World rang me up and asked if they could do an interview, because they'd seen me in other things, and thought 'This can't be the same man who played Crusher in Last of the Summer Wine'... and, of course, it got into the papers that I'd done this. My agent was phoned by the News of the World, and at the time I was um-ming and ah-ing as to whether to do it, because I didn't really want my private life to be plastered all over a newspaper. And they said 'If you don't do this interview, we might be forced to print some of the rumours... he's a single man, and he might have AIDS...'

Yeah, that was about TNotW's level, good riddance.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: mjwilson on May 26, 2021, 10:08:31 PM
I was once chatting to some American tourists who were telling me of their itinerary of all the iconic places to visit in Britain: London, Stratford-on-Avon, Holmfirth, and Edinburgh. Amazing stuff.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Alternative Carpark on May 26, 2021, 10:20:42 PM
It's interesting the way people sometimes talk about stuff being shown on Sunday afternoons or evenings having depressing associations because of the weekend having almost gone - while I understand the argument, I don't think that I've ever felt that way in retrospect about something shown in that slot. If I liked something shown at that time, then it'd be all for the better as it'd help put the forthcoming Monday out of my mind. So it tends to be a positive association if anything. The Sunday night connection has never put me off any old programme that might have been shown in that slot.

Also, as someone said earlier, it was quite a few years before LOTSW was put into a Sunday slot too, indeed well into the 80s. For the first ten years of its run, it was usually on weekdays.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on May 27, 2021, 08:13:33 AM
Was there a big drop-off in quality around series 12? I watched a couple of Series 12 and 15 episodes and they really didn't seem as good. It felt like they had to tick off certain scenes: Howard and Marina, Wesley in his garage, Edie's front room coffee gathering etc. The trio just didn't seem as funny either, I'm not sure why.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Huxleys Babkins on May 27, 2021, 08:30:28 AM
Quote from: Alternative Carpark on May 26, 2021, 10:20:42 PM
It's interesting the way people sometimes talk about stuff being shown on Sunday afternoons or evenings having depressing associations because of the weekend having almost gone - while I understand the argument, I don't think that I've ever felt that way in retrospect about something shown in that slot. If I liked something shown at that time, then it'd be all for the better as it'd help put the forthcoming Monday out of my mind. So it tends to be a positive association if anything. The Sunday night connection has never put me off any old programme that might have been shown in that slot.

Also, as someone said earlier, it was quite a few years before LOTSW was put into a Sunday slot too, indeed well into the 80s. For the first ten years of its run, it was usually on weekdays.

Yeah, I never really had that existential dread, mainly because, in the 90s, Sunday nights would be BBC2 showing classic comedy like Python, Q and The Young Ones just before bedtime. School on Monday would be buzzing with comedy chat, like a proto-CAB except everyone still had their hair.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Glebe on May 27, 2021, 12:25:16 PM
Quote from: purlieu on May 25, 2021, 06:32:31 PMIt's definitely up there with Antiques Roadshow and Songs of Praise in terms of end-of-the-weekend dread, the theme tune still fills me with that feeling.

That's Life! really did it for me. I mean, I'd actually watch it with my parents as a nipper, and it occasionally amused, but by fuck, there was a odd grimness about it for some reason. That blowsy old theme tune.

Quote from: Ignatius_S on May 25, 2021, 06:36:06 PMAh, that's interesting - and given the show's popularity at that time, it would be surprising if they didn't make a big thing of it. Aldridge's first episode was a special, which introduced new characters and having Thora Hird as a guest star (and she was always credited as thus) was a big thing... certainly, the news that she was playing Edie contributed to the pressure that Gordon Wharmby felt and who was hospitalised after suffering a nervous breakdown.

Yes and a running theme was the involvement of inventions that Seymour came up - however, as his time went on in the series, feel that they reduced that element. By all accounts, Aldridge was a complete delight to work with and his influence made the show a lot more fun to work on.

With the scene hanging down, I know the one you meant - saw it a little while ago and thought it was pretty well done and can't recall a blue screen look. On the whole, they did the stunts and use of doubles pretty convincingly. I saw the bath episode, posted earlier in the thread, very recently and when at one point, when they were pushing the bath, noticed how the faces of the actors were concealed by how they positioned in relation to the camera (e.g. characters bent over, or looking away) and that it was obviously doubles being used, but at that point, the actors moved so you could see it was the stars, which I thought was a clever bit of editing - in the shot that had the actual stars, they started in the kind of positions that the doubles were moving in to help create the illusion it was them earlier.

RE: the BBC trail for it, it's one of those things that's like a faded memory in the back of my mind, but I'm certain I saw it. Haven't seen any of the ones with Aldridge in a very long time, maybe those effects were better than I remember!

Quote from: Fambo Number Mive on May 26, 2021, 04:40:26 PMThe beauty of rural Yorkshire is also nice to look at.

Yeah, it's just that they always return to the grim shitty oppressive town to drink tea out of saucers at Ivy's!
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on May 27, 2021, 01:02:28 PM
Ivy's is definitely grim. Tiny, miserable little cafe which seems to rely on the three men for most of their trade. The tea tastes awful (in several episodes) and the food doesn't look very nice. I think it might be the only cafe, according to one episode. They'd be better off going round to Clegg's house each time, but I think they like annoying Ivy and Sid, and anyone else in the cafe.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: frajer on May 27, 2021, 01:32:27 PM
I've got a huge nostalgic stonk-on fondness for the show because my granddad used to chuckle at it. He especially liked when all the ladies raised their teacups in unison. So it gets a thumbs up from me, even if I can't quite imagine actually sitting down and watching it again
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Glebe on May 27, 2021, 01:42:50 PM
It's funny how most of the female characters were so belligerent and miserable. Maybe that was Roy Clarke's experience of women. Or maybe he was just a sexist pig.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on May 27, 2021, 02:14:13 PM
True, although I suppose they are probably mainly miserable at living amongst such daft men. I imagine Nora Batty would be a lot happier if she didn't have Compo pestering her, for example. I think living in the Summer Wine version of Holmfirth would be really crap. Aside from Clegg and Truly, is there a single character you'd want to spend more then five minutes with? Even Clegg's a bit wearing after an hour or so.

Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: petril on May 28, 2021, 10:59:54 AM
after three day's you'd just be "for fuck's sake, for fu-ucks sake, for fuck's sake..." over and over
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: frajer on May 28, 2021, 11:28:09 AM
"Can I just dry my nylons in peace, you daft perverts?"
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Elderly Sumo Prophecy on May 28, 2021, 07:25:46 PM
Compo.

Is he a homeless?
Was he ever gainfully employed?
Why's he called Compo?
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Alternative Carpark on May 28, 2021, 07:50:17 PM
Quote from: Elderly Sumo Prophecy on May 28, 2021, 07:25:46 PM
Compo.

Is he a homeless?

No, he lives next door to Nora Batty. Seem to remember that it was a basement flat, but could be mistaken about that.

QuoteWas he ever gainfully employed?

Probably. He's employed in First of the Summer Wine, isn't he? If that one counts, that is.

QuoteWhy's he called Compo?

Short for compensation. He's supposed to be on some kind of sickness benefit, If I remember it right, which the name is a reference to.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: purlieu on May 28, 2021, 07:50:31 PM
Quote from: Ignatius_S on May 25, 2021, 06:53:16 PM
Although I think people's memories are playing tricks on them a little bit. The series only permanently moved to Sundays during the 1990s; in the 1980s, there was a move to Sundays for some series, but others continued to be shown on weekday evenings - albeit at a more family-friendly time slot than in the 1970s.
I can only speak for myself, but as I started school in late 1989, that all lines up with my experiences.
Quote from: Elderly Sumo Prophecy on May 28, 2021, 07:25:46 PM
Was he ever gainfully employed?
Why's he called Compo?
It's a nickname derived from 'compensation', meaning he was either living on compensation from something, or - more likely - the dole, which was sometimes called unemployment compensation.

edit: beaten to it by 14 seconds.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Elderly Sumo Prophecy on May 28, 2021, 08:12:03 PM
Maybe he's a ww2 veteran, and the compo is for his chronic PTSD, which makes him do irrational stuff like fuck about in old bathtubs. His friends know it's better to indulge him rather than confront his insanity directly, so into the bath they go with him.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: frajer on May 28, 2021, 08:15:07 PM
Genuinely thought it was cos he was a walking compost. Soz Compo.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Elderly Sumo Prophecy on May 28, 2021, 08:17:06 PM
You never see him without a hat. Maybe he keeps compost under there?
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: PeterCornelius on May 29, 2021, 10:13:41 AM
I'm also one of those who associates LOTSW with the grim reality of Sunday evenings. It's not just the theme tune (Ronnie Hazlehurst once again using the title of a show to inspire the main melody), the whole premise of the show is depressing. I'm feeling depressed just thinking about it.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: El Unicornio, mang on May 29, 2021, 02:22:15 PM
I think I'd actually find wandering around lovely idyllic countryside all day with a couple of slightly annoying but generally good natured friends and occasionally getting into "hilarious" scrapes quite nice. Certainly compared to the lives of a lot of people their age I know in real life.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: pigamus on May 29, 2021, 02:39:54 PM
My mom's boyfriend in the late 80s, I remember him practically coughing up a lung laughing at one episode - I think, instead of rolling down a hill in the tin bath, it ends up sailing over the roof of a police car or something?
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on May 29, 2021, 03:49:49 PM
Quote from: El Unicornio, mang on May 29, 2021, 02:22:15 PM
I think I'd actually find wandering around lovely idyllic countryside all day with a couple of slightly annoying but generally good natured friends and occasionally getting into "hilarious" scrapes quite nice. Certainly compared to the lives of a lot of people their age I know in real life.

Which would be the best other two to have along?
I think I'd go for Truly and Clegg. Although Foggy is my favourite character I wouldn't want to spend time with him in real life.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Gulftastic on May 29, 2021, 04:09:21 PM
Quote from: Glebe on May 27, 2021, 12:25:16 PM
That's Life! really did it for me. I mean, I'd actually watch it with my parents as a nipper, and it occasionally amused, but by fuck, there was a odd grimness about it for some reason. That blowsy old theme tune.


Same for me. Seeing the end of credits cartoon filled me with dread. Took a good few months after leaving education to work for a living to stop, too.

Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: El Unicornio, mang on May 29, 2021, 04:16:33 PM
I think I'd do Foggy and Clegg. Feels like he's the one of the five that I'd find the most amusing to be around, even if he is probably the most pompous/uptight. I reckon Truelove could slip back into his bad cop ways and give someone a right good thumping.

Watching the pilot now, Clegg does seem like a very different character, as has been mentioned. Too similar to the "third man" characters. Also interesting that it opens with a shot of two young women, it's a show which I remember being just entirely made up of old people (although I'd probably be shocked if I looked now and realised some of them are the same age as I am now).
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on May 29, 2021, 04:47:55 PM
I remember there being a few scenes inside Compo's basement flat. I think he had a room mate or visiting relative at one point. And polecats or ferrets in a cage.

Quote from: El Unicornio, mang on May 29, 2021, 04:16:33 PM
I think I'd do Foggy and Clegg.

Oh aye.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Leej88 on May 29, 2021, 07:05:18 PM
I remember watching it in the 2000s obvs it had been on too long at that point I think the show kept the older cast active cause Burt, Frank,Peter, and Stephen all died soon after.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on May 29, 2021, 08:00:55 PM
Remember the ET parody?

The BBC really hyped it up. I saw the clip a hundred times over that Christmas. It was like they were trying to manufacture a don't tell him pike/del through the bar moment. A classic comedy moment, etc. before it even aired!
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: monkfromhavana on May 29, 2021, 08:50:47 PM
Rather sadly, my father was a huge fan of the show and Compo in particular. You know how sometimes, when you're a kid, you want to be someone off a TV show/cartoon, so you take on their character and mannerisms? That is/was my father with Compo. I'm pretty sure that he imagined his friends, Ron and George were Clegg and Foggy (even though Ron and George were on solely nodding terms when their paths rarely crossed.

Obviously in dress he never went as far as Compo, but he did affect a certain scruffy look. Worst of all though, he adopted Compo's sense of humour. To this very day he's ringing up semi-acquaintances of my deceased mother and trying to tell them jokes. Add to this sending "cheeky" Xmas cards with the name on the envelope changed to something unsuitable. Word has got back that in one occasion the postman apologised for having to deliver it, the person in question said "don't worry, I know who this is from" and promptly binned it unopened and unresponded to.

Fucking Compo.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Andy147 on May 29, 2021, 10:12:10 PM
Quote from: Leej88 on May 29, 2021, 07:05:18 PM
I remember watching it in the 2000s obvs it had been on too long at that point I think the show kept the older cast active cause Burt, Frank,Peter, and Stephen all died soon after.

Stephen Lewis had left the show due to ill health a few years before it ended, and Peter Sallis lived for another 7 years (which isn't bad considering he was 96 when he died).
OTOH, Trevor Bannister died within a year of it ending.

Quote from: monkfromhavana on May 29, 2021, 08:50:47 PM
Worst of all though, he adopted Compo's sense of humour. To this very day he's ringing up semi-acquaintances of my deceased mother and trying to tell them jokes. Add to this sending "cheeky" Xmas cards with the name on the envelope changed to something unsuitable.

I wouldn't associate Compo particularly with telling jokes or cheeky cards... one thing he did do quite often was make women scream by showing them something in a matchbox, so things could be a lot worse.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Leej88 on May 29, 2021, 10:15:34 PM
Only Howard left now of the old guard.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: monkfromhavana on May 29, 2021, 10:21:49 PM
Quote from: Andy147 on May 29, 2021, 10:12:10 PM

I wouldn't associate Compo particularly with telling jokes or cheeky cards... one thing he did do quite often was make women scream by showing them something in a matchbox, so things could be a lot worse.

I wouldn't put it past him tbh. Perhaps cheeky wasn't correct and he didn't take that from Compo (might be misremembering his interactions with Nora). He did 100% model his life on Compo though. Maybe it was just the done thing in the 70s/80s. Maybe my dad's mate Ron harboured a secret desire to be Jack Regan from The Sweeney for all I know (he did drink a lot of whiskey).
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Glebe on May 29, 2021, 10:29:15 PM
Did compo always live in the basement? I recall him leaning out the window in the morning and chatting up Nora in one episode.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: idunnosomename on May 29, 2021, 11:10:37 PM
Quote from: Leej88 on May 29, 2021, 10:15:34 PM
Only Howard left now of the old guard.
lmao he was in Xtro. remake set in holmfirth please.

I went to see prog-metal band symphony x in holmfirth. it was very funny when i spotted the lead guitarist going to buy snacks in the sainsburys at the bus station
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Glebe on May 30, 2021, 12:10:43 AM
Quote from: idunnosomename on May 29, 2021, 11:10:37 PMhe was in Xtro.

Yes, and as previously mentioned he more recently popped up in Cloud Atlas! Reassuring to know he's still with us.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Harry Badger on May 30, 2021, 12:37:42 AM
Quote from: El Unicornio, mang on May 29, 2021, 04:16:33 PM
I think I'd do Foggy and Clegg.

I think you are right. Foggy is a silly old fool and would be bloody annoying but you would have solidarity against him with Clegg and he would provide amusement. Clegg himself I would enjoy teasing out the real person behind the enigmatic, mildly cynical persona.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Elderly Sumo Prophecy on May 30, 2021, 12:45:55 AM
Would anyone shag Nora Batty? I don't know what Compo sees in her tbh.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: chveik on May 30, 2021, 01:12:43 AM
Quote from: monkfromhavana on May 29, 2021, 08:50:47 PM
Rather sadly, my father was a huge fan of the show and Compo in particular. You know how sometimes, when you're a kid, you want to be someone off a TV show/cartoon, so you take on their character and mannerisms? That is/was my father with Compo. I'm pretty sure that he imagined his friends, Ron and George were Clegg and Foggy (even though Ron and George were on solely nodding terms when their paths rarely crossed.

Obviously in dress he never went as far as Compo, but he did affect a certain scruffy look. Worst of all though, he adopted Compo's sense of humour. To this very day he's ringing up semi-acquaintances of my deceased mother and trying to tell them jokes. Add to this sending "cheeky" Xmas cards with the name on the envelope changed to something unsuitable. Word has got back that in one occasion the postman apologised for having to deliver it, the person in question said "don't worry, I know who this is from" and promptly binned it unopened and unresponded to.

Fucking Compo.

peak deso
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: PeterCornelius on May 30, 2021, 11:49:46 AM
I had a thing for Ivy when I was 14. I've never admitted that before.

Also, I could never look at Clegg without being reminded of a bloke who got on the bus that took me home from school. He looked and dressed exactly like Clegg, and persisted in winking and smiling at me. I still shudder at the memory.

You have to hand it to John Comer though. Played the same character in everything he appeared in.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: El Unicornio, mang on May 30, 2021, 01:07:52 PM
Quote from: Elderly Sumo Prophecy on May 30, 2021, 12:45:55 AM
Would anyone shag Nora Batty? I don't know what Compo sees in her tbh.

It's because she plays so hard to get. Never fails.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Leej88 on May 30, 2021, 01:19:06 PM
Thora Hird's fictional daughter and her son in law they are still alive Russ Abbott the guy who thought he was related to Robin Hood and Tom Owen anyone else?
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Alternative Carpark on May 30, 2021, 03:39:35 PM
Quote from: Leej88 on May 30, 2021, 01:19:06 PM
Thora Hird's fictional daughter and her son in law they are still alive Russ Abbott the guy who thought he was related to Robin Hood and Tom Owen anyone else?

Louis Emerick, Jonathan Linsley, Brian Murphy.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on May 30, 2021, 04:26:30 PM
Watching Series 10. Compo is looking at a nude calendar and you can see the nude he is looking at. You wouldn't get that these days.

Something I've noticed is that Compo seems to find Nora Batty's wrinkled stockings a turn off in these early episodes whereas I seem to recall in later episodes he found them a turn on.

Going to buy the complete box set of Last of the Summer Wine. There's nothing else on television to watch.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: El Unicornio, mang on May 30, 2021, 05:44:38 PM
Quote from: Fambo Number Mive on May 30, 2021, 04:26:30 PM
Watching Series 10. Compo is looking at a nude calendar and you can see the nude he is looking at. You wouldn't get that these days.


There's apparently a few episodes like that, ones with top shelf magazines in full view, and they've had to blur out a lot of it for broadcast on UK Gold.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on May 30, 2021, 06:05:14 PM
Did they ever do the match box gag with a dirty book or mag? Feels like they must've at some point.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: greenman on May 30, 2021, 06:18:31 PM
Quote from: idunnosomename on May 23, 2021, 01:31:24 PM
didn't it have a good international market? For some bizarre reason

There was a track on Moon Safarai that always sounded very like the last of the summer wine theme to me, the French viewing it as some pastoral idyll whilst reading too much into Clegg's musings?
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: El Unicornio, mang on May 30, 2021, 06:26:02 PM
It was broadcast on PBS in the US and Canada, had the same kind of audience appeal as Keeping Up Appearances, Waiting for God and those other kinds of gentle older generation comedies. I guess it translates pretty well for international audiences, quite a lot of visual/physical humour and not a whole lot of pop culture references.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Leej88 on May 30, 2021, 07:57:32 PM
Jane Freeman died round same time as Peter Sallis and yet there was no coverage of her death did not know she had died till I looked it up.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: PlanktonSideburns on May 30, 2021, 08:21:48 PM
How many times did people actually get bathtubbed?

Would fukin love a super cut of that
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Ignatius_S on May 30, 2021, 09:07:25 PM
In cast-related news, Network has announced DVD and Blu-ray release of The Painted Jacket, one of the films featured as a lead, playing a disgraced ex-jockey.

Less news and more fun facts, the rather charming short film, Romance with a Double Bass that starred Connie Booth and John Cleese (who would cameo in LOTSW) based on a Chekhov story, was adapted from a screenplay by Owen.

Owen starred as Mack The Knife in the the first UK production of The Threepenny Opera. And in the spirit of UK firsts, Bates and Sallis were in the cast of the first UK production of Rhinoceros by Ionesco, which was directed by Orson Welles.


Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on May 30, 2021, 09:39:01 PM
Sallis in Ionesco directed by the big fella? God, that must have ripped.

Quote from: PlanktonSideburns on May 30, 2021, 08:21:48 PM
How many times did people actually get bathtubbed?

I think more oil drums went down the hill than bathtubs. Seem to remember Blakey from On The Buses going down the hill in something or other.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Ignatius_S on May 30, 2021, 09:48:38 PM
Quote from: Fambo Number Mive on May 27, 2021, 08:13:33 AM
Was there a big drop-off in quality around series 12? I watched a couple of Series 12 and 15 episodes and they really didn't seem as good. It felt like they had to tick off certain scenes: Howard and Marina, Wesley in his garage, Edie's front room coffee gathering etc. The trio just didn't seem as funny either, I'm not sure why.

Although I would say there was a drop when Foggy returned, wouldn't say it was a big one and suspect if I hadn't watched the show chronologically quite quickly, that feeling, wouldn't have noticed it.

Arguably, the recurring elements you mention were repeating the the same beats too frequently, but at the same time, they were very popular with audiences, which was reflected in what frajer posted. Personally, I'm less keen and think a less is, more approach would have been stronger but on occasion, they worked rather well. For example, Foggy telling strangers about his wartime exploits got very samey, but there was one where he likens engineers on telephone poles to snipers in tress, had an unexpected twist.

The amount of Foggy interacting (or trying to) with strangers is reflective of the trio's own interactions in that period. Each had their own screen time, independent from the others, which perhaps went against what had made the show popular. That said, given that Owen would have been approaching 80, Wilde was in his late-60s and Sallis was in his 70s, it's reasonable that they needed to do something slightly different.

Also, the show had been going 17 years, so if there had been a drop, that's not bad going.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Elderly Sumo Prophecy on May 30, 2021, 09:55:34 PM
Quote from: Video Game Fan 2000 on May 30, 2021, 09:39:01 PM
Sallis in Ionesco directed by the big fella? God, that must have ripped.

I think more oil drums went down the hill than bathtubs. Seem to remember Blakey from On The Buses going down the hill in something or other.

I 'ATE YOU BUTLEEEEeeeeeer.......
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Ignatius_S on May 30, 2021, 09:55:46 PM
Quote from: Video Game Fan 2000 on May 30, 2021, 09:39:01 PM
Sallis in Ionesco directed by the big fella? God, that must have ripped.

I think more oil drums went down the hill than bathtubs. Seem to remember Blakey from On The Buses going down the hill in something or other.

Not the first time Sallis had worked with Welles, as well - he was also in the play based on Moby Dick that Kenneth Williams was in. One of the reasons I find the series intriguing is how interesting the careers of so much the cast was.

Re: bath tubs - yeah, baths didn't really feature, but there there was a fair bit of people going down hills and falling into water.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Ignatius_S on May 30, 2021, 11:04:08 PM
Quote from: Glebe on May 27, 2021, 01:42:50 PM
It's funny how most of the female characters were so belligerent and miserable. Maybe that was Roy Clarke's experience of women. Or maybe he was just a sexist pig.

As Mambo says, they have a lot of put up with - e.g. Sid doesn't seem to be particularly industrious when it comes to running cafe - and there is an element of writing what you know. Clarke was a copper for a short while and in the community he worked, it was the women who created some sort of order in their households.

This is taken from the Andrew Vine book:

QuoteClarke said: 'It came from the police force for me, I only did a couple of years, this young bobby with his helmet falling over his ears, thrown into the fringe of Rotherham, a fairly lively area for policing, and you'd go to these houses and meet these people, and the men were feckless, absolutely irresponsible, and you could see why. If they're working down this awful hole all day, what else are they going to do but have a drink, but their lives would have been in much more chaos if not time and time again there was at their house a woman who would be tearing strips off them. They kept the whole bloody show on the road, magnificent, and I do admire them. They're tougher than men, and I admire them. They're maybe better from a distance sometimes, but there's a strong streak of admiration in these comedy women of mine.'

(Clarke, of course, wrote Rosie/The Growing Pains of PC Penrose, two sitcoms about a young constable and the policemen in LOTSW are chiefly competent at avoiding work.)

Jane Freeman, who played Ivy, had concerns early on about the portrayal of women in the series and when she talked about her character with Clarke's wife, the latter replied something like the lines of 'Oh love, didn't you know? I am Ivy.'

Personally, I think that a lot of that Clarke quote can be seen in the series - the women tend to be the level-headed ones, whilst the men gravitate towards irresponsibility, fantasy and general foolishness.

Also, there is definite kindness to the likes of Nora and Ivy; they don't suffer fools gladly but there is a softer side to them. Thelma in Whatever Happened to the Likely Lads? was often viewed negatively (it's been suggested that this partly came from Clive James dubbing her 'the dreaded Velma') which is more than unjust considering what she is actually like in the series. Possibly, there's a common tendency to view strong female personalities, who look dimly upon others when they play the giddy goat, more disapprovingly than they deserve.

There's also a fair amount of variation in the female characters and a lot (I would guess the majority) don't fit your description.  With the expanded female cast, I think it could only be said about Pearl.

Thinking about it, a fair few of the men do fit that description, and wives can be treated badly. Off the top of my head, there are at least two vicars (Richard Vernon and John Horsley) are absolutely appalling to their spouses.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: purlieu on May 30, 2021, 11:43:29 PM
Quote from: El Unicornio, mang on May 30, 2021, 06:26:02 PMhad the same kind of audience appeal as Keeping Up Appearances, Waiting for God
??
Waiting for God was frequently bleak, angry and very cynical, the first series in particular. Much closer to One Foot in the Grave than Roy Clarke's stuff.

Actually downloaded the first series of Summer Wine and watched the first one tonight. Pleasingly slow, almost nothing happens (Compo loses his door key in the library, they make a vague attempt to find the library owner before Compo says he can get in through the back window), most of Clegg's lines are quite funny, Compo has a good look through a porn magazine in the hairdresser's. Blamire's definitely a real humour void, though.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: idunnosomename on May 31, 2021, 01:07:33 AM
Quote from: PlanktonSideburns on May 30, 2021, 08:21:48 PM
How many times did people actually get bathtubbed?

Would fukin love a super cut of that
count me in for someone who would greatly enjoy every time an old person went down a slope in a metal object, enamelled or not
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: chveik on May 31, 2021, 01:11:37 AM
soon enough it will have its own subforum
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Ignatius_S on May 31, 2021, 09:30:13 AM
Quote from: Glebe on May 27, 2021, 12:25:16 PM...RE: the BBC trail for it, it's one of those things that's like a faded memory in the back of my mind, but I'm certain I saw it. Haven't seen any of the ones with Aldridge in a very long time, maybe those effects were better than I remember!!

Oh, I'm sure your memory is correct! And as for effects, maybe I'm just more easily taken in!
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Ignatius_S on May 31, 2021, 09:32:48 AM
Quote from: El Unicornio, mang on May 26, 2021, 01:19:48 PM
It's a show I, as a young person, hated at the time or at least professed to hate, but have a kind of fondness for it now. It's so gentle and easy going, like sliding into a warm bath (on wheels), with lovely scenery and the kind of old northern characters I'm familiar with. It seemed forever stuck in a quaint old wartime spirit England that hasn't existed for decades (and possibly never did) which I think made it appealing. It's escapism in its own way which I think was comforting on a Sunday evening as opposed to an episode of Taggart or something like that. I guess a show like Call the Midwife has similar appeal.

I had a friend at college who was obsessed with the show (along with the music of Falco and gay clubs) and once insisted I come over as he'd got hold of an episode where Foggy calls Compo "fuck-face". I went round and he was there with the tape lined up and a girl from college who he had shown it to and also insisted it was "fuck-face". Watched it and it did sound like "fuck-face" but then realised after replaying it about 10 times that it was "frog-face". Quite how we thought Last of the Summer Wine had gotten the f-word into an episode is beyond me.

Although apparently we weren't the only ones: https://www.summerwine.net/community/threads/compo-saying-the-f-word.10731/

@ 24:13 - https://youtu.be/xv2RcJjanqg?t=1450

Beautifully put!

I absolutely love this story.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Jockice on May 31, 2021, 12:46:20 PM
Quote from: El Unicornio, mang on May 26, 2021, 01:19:48 PM
It's a show I, as a young person, hated at the time or at least professed to hate, but have a kind of fondness for it now. It's so gentle and easy going, like sliding into a warm bath (on wheels), with lovely scenery and the kind of old northern characters I'm familiar with. It seemed forever stuck in a quaint old wartime spirit England that hasn't existed for decades (and possibly never did) which I think made it appealing. It's escapism in its own way which I think was comforting on a Sunday evening as opposed to an episode of Taggart or something like that. I guess a show like Call the Midwife has similar appeal.

I had a friend at college who was obsessed with the show (along with the music of Falco and gay clubs) and once insisted I come over as he'd got hold of an episode where Foggy calls Compo "fuck-face". I went round and he was there with the tape lined up and a girl from college who he had shown it to and also insisted it was "fuck-face". Watched it and it did sound like "fuck-face" but then realised after replaying it about 10 times that it was "frog-face". Quite how we thought Last of the Summer Wine had gotten the f-word into an episode is beyond me.

Although apparently we weren't the only ones: https://www.summerwine.net/community/threads/compo-saying-the-f-word.10731/

@ 24:13 - https://youtu.be/xv2RcJjanqg?t=1450

Talking of swearing on TV, and in a bit of cross-thread pollination I mentioned liking Marti Pellow's voice in Oscillations yesterday and ended up watching this. Does Tommy Cunningham really use the word 'cunt' 4.24 in here? I've watched it several times and can't think of anything else it could be.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hr3BQmcrA0Y&t=560s
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Ignatius_S on May 31, 2021, 01:31:25 PM
Quote from: PeterCornelius on May 23, 2021, 10:40:55 AM
I could never understand why it ran for so many years. I remember catching an episode from one of the later series and it redefined 'twee'.

Did it have high ratings?

Huge ratings. At its peak, 18 million plus viewers - the Jonathan Linsley interview I posted touches upon this and says there was a period when it rivalled Eastenders as the Beeb's biggest show. At one time, I think it was getting over 20 million per episode - however, these figures aren't an exact science and various factors are at play, iirc, one time its figures were boosted through ITV being hit by industrial action.

It sold very well overseas and these days, the series is a big hitter for Drama and Gold - there's been a few news stories recently about how well has been doing on those channels recently, particularly on Drama, where it's one of the most popular shows.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Andy147 on May 31, 2021, 01:40:45 PM
Quote from: Jockice on May 31, 2021, 12:46:20 PM
Talking of swearing on TV, and in a bit of cross-thread pollination I mentioned liking Marti Pellow's voice in Oscillations yesterday and ended up watching this. Does Tommy Cunningham really use the word 'cunt' 4.24 in here? I've watched it several times and can't think of anything else it could be.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hr3BQmcrA0Y&t=560s

"Clown", I think.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Jockice on May 31, 2021, 01:57:54 PM
Quote from: Andy147 on May 31, 2021, 01:40:45 PM
"Clown", I think.
That would be the only other option but I originally hail from very near to WWW's hometown and the word 'cunt' is used to just describe a member of the public in this area more than in other places I have lived. So much so that it's not really seen as a swearword. His pronunciation (I have several family members with very similar accents) makes me think it's 'cunt' too. I could be wrong here but I think it slipped by because Aled and the production staff thought he said 'clown' when he didn't.

New page cunt going downhill in a bath.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: PlanktonSideburns on May 31, 2021, 05:00:49 PM
Quote from: idunnosomename on May 31, 2021, 01:07:33 AM
count me in for someone who would greatly enjoy every time an old person went down a slope in a metal object, enamelled or not

Could be a little shirt film project, if someone can find all the bathtub eps, I'm happy to do the edit

Working title: They Went Downhill Quickly After That
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Leej88 on May 31, 2021, 07:26:23 PM
The show was on for 37 years just like Heartbeat and The Bill it had its day
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: JCR on May 31, 2021, 07:34:56 PM
I enjoy it; well the episodes up till Bill Owen died anyway.

Crazy thing about it was they had the perfect final episode, Last Post and Pigeon, and then ran for another ten years.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Elderly Sumo Prophecy on May 31, 2021, 07:46:05 PM
Programme idea Lynn: First of the Summer Wine. The classic trio are back together, but they're 15 years old in an origin story set in the delightful Yorkshire countryside.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Smeraldina Rima on May 31, 2021, 09:02:03 PM
Quote from: Fambo Number Mive on May 22, 2021, 08:28:03 PM
Had a look on Britbox but there are only three Christmas specials, I watched the one "Getting Sam Home" based on the Roy Clarke novel. That was good. The one where Nora Batty becomes a waitress wasnt very good, the third one where Barry and Glenda get married was ok.

I'm surprised how hard Last of the Summer Wine is to find on streaming services, given how popular it was and how it ended relatively recently.

I watched a few of the Christmas specials last Christmas and enjoyed "Crums" the most, although I prefer Foggy to Seymour who is in that one. It has Auntie Wainwright's first appearance before she was a regular and Compo doing a version of "Last Night on the Back Porch" as "Last Night in the Cowshed" on the banjo. Save that for next Christmas if you've not seen it yet. Not sure if Jean Alexander remains so good for the 168 episodes she was apparently in, probably not, but I don't think I'm going too far in saying that she brings a sort of Ealing Comedy quality to that episode. I love how proud she looks when she points out the sprig of holly and tinsel decorations. My partner who is a bigger fan of the show (she wants us to go on holiday to Holmfirth) had to stop watching it when Smiler's presence started ruining it for her so he might becloud Auntie Wainwright's shop later on.

I also watched "Getting Sam Home", which had a bit that made me laugh ten minutes in. Don't know if you remember the scene at Lilly Bless'er's when Lilly reads out the letter from Sam and then says 'It's been three weeks now and that's the only word I've had'. There's a shot of Clegg looking moved and compassionate while she's reading the letter but then he harshly says: 'Give over, love, we've been keeping you posted.'

Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: the science eel on May 31, 2021, 09:14:49 PM
"becloud"!

thank you
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: El Unicornio, mang on May 31, 2021, 09:48:47 PM
Quote from: Elderly Sumo Prophecy on May 31, 2021, 07:46:05 PM
Programme idea Lynn: First of the Summer Wine. The classic trio are back together, but they're 15 years old in an origin story set in the delightful Yorkshire countryside.

Too late

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_of_the_Summer_Wine
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Elderly Sumo Prophecy on May 31, 2021, 10:02:05 PM
For Christ's sake.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: An tSaoi on June 01, 2021, 01:10:30 PM
What did Compo have in his matchbox?
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Elderly Sumo Prophecy on June 01, 2021, 01:11:59 PM
His foreskin?
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on June 01, 2021, 01:20:01 PM
I don't know if we ever find out, but I imagine some kind of weird insect. Although his foreskin would be likely as well.

Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: jobotic on June 01, 2021, 01:22:49 PM
A human eye, that still blinks and looks around.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: vainsharpdad on June 01, 2021, 07:33:15 PM
They had to axe the show in the end.

It just kept on going downhill.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Glebe on June 01, 2021, 07:36:25 PM
Quote from: Ignatius_S on May 30, 2021, 11:04:08 PMAs Mambo says, they have a lot of put up with - e.g. Sid doesn't seem to be particularly industrious when it comes to running cafe - and there is an element of writing what you know. Clarke was a copper for a short while and in the community he worked, it was the women who created some sort of order in their households.

Interesting point. Poor old Nora, having to shoo Compo away with her broom every week with a cry of "Oh, give over!"
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: El Unicornio, mang on June 01, 2021, 07:55:43 PM
Quote from: An tSaoi on June 01, 2021, 01:10:30 PM
What did Compo have in his matchbox?

I think insect is right. It's one of those antiqueated things that schoolboys would do, or were depicted as doing. The olden days equivalent of showing a girl some nasty Internet video/pic on your phone then running away. (I don't know if modern kids do this but probably)
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Inspector Norse on June 01, 2021, 08:02:19 PM
Quote from: An tSaoi on June 01, 2021, 01:10:30 PM
What did Compo have in his matchbox?

Holmfirth's other claim to fame (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/10188639/Saucy-Postcards-The-Bamforth-Collection.html), perhaps?
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 01, 2021, 08:03:43 PM
Quote from: An tSaoi on June 01, 2021, 01:10:30 PM
What did Compo have in his matchbox?

A tiny vision of himself that is perpetually wanking and going "A-hee hee hee"
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: frajer on June 01, 2021, 08:37:34 PM
Quote from: An tSaoi on June 01, 2021, 01:10:30 PM
What did Compo have in his matchbox?

The Tissue Compressed corpse of the Master.

"Looks like Compo's the Master now."

"What's that Compo?"

"I said let's go see if Nora's popped her washing out to dry."
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: JCR on June 02, 2021, 12:04:35 AM
Quote from: El Unicornio, mang on May 31, 2021, 09:48:47 PM
Too late

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_of_the_Summer_Wine

I saw the first episode of that , it made it really clear it was set in 1939, and there was a member of the gang who was never in Last of.

Subtlety in the foreshadowing wasn't the strong suit of Clarke's writing.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on June 02, 2021, 12:01:23 PM
Started on Series 11. So far in episode 1 the three men get thrown out a pub because the landlord thinks they are gay and Clegg makes a quip about Channel 4.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on June 06, 2021, 11:47:26 AM
On Series 17 now. One of the Series 16 episodes is called "The Glory Hole" but it's not a refence to blow jobs in public lavatories.

Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Glebe on June 06, 2021, 01:07:41 PM
Quote from: Fambo Number Mive on June 06, 2021, 11:47:26 AMOn Series 17 now. One of the Series 16 episodes is called "The Glory Hole" but it's not a refence to blow jobs in public lavatories.

Or is it?! YOU decide!
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Elderly Sumo Prophecy on June 06, 2021, 01:09:49 PM
You've watched *counts on fingers* six series in five days?
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on June 06, 2021, 01:19:34 PM
I did skip a few episodes, including most of Series 11 after getting a bit bored of Seymour. Didn't watch the Christmas episodes either. They are only 29 minutes per episode, you can get through the pretty quickly. I've watched six so far today.

Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: imitationleather on June 06, 2021, 01:25:58 PM
And you're not being held in Guantanamo Bay or anything like that?
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 06, 2021, 01:32:31 PM
I thought the UN had banned Roy Clarke sitcoms from Guantanamo Bay after all those inmates incinerated themselves.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on June 06, 2021, 01:32:40 PM
No, I enjoy Last of the Summer Wine. Although we are in the second Foggy period, not sure how much I'll enjoy it when he is replaced with Truly. I imagine once Compo and Clegg are gone it'll jump the shark in a tim bath. We'll see.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Elderly Sumo Prophecy on June 06, 2021, 01:59:48 PM
I bet you're getting quite sick of the theme tune. On any rewatch of The Sopranos I skip the first few minutes just to avoid listening to that song dozens of times.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on June 06, 2021, 03:12:59 PM
I find it quite hypnotic. I don't watch the end credits though, maybe it would annoy me if I heard it two times per episode.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Ignatius_S on June 06, 2021, 03:35:11 PM
Quote from: Alternative Carpark on May 28, 2021, 07:50:17 PM...Short for compensation. He's supposed to be on some kind of sickness benefit, If I remember it right, which the name is a reference to.

Yup - and the set-up for the series initially were three unemployed, middle-aged men with nothing to do. Clegg was redundant, Blamire had retired early and Compo had avoided work.

Quote from: Leej88 on May 29, 2021, 07:05:18 PM
I remember watching it in the 2000s obvs it had been on too long at that point I think the show kept the older cast active cause Burt, Frank,Peter, and Stephen all died soon after...

That's probably most true with Hird - the series kept her going and there were times (particularly at the end) where she was released from hospital for filming and she looked very frail.

Sallis's eyesight began to seriously fail, which partly explains why Clegg became a smaller role.

However, other work did keep cast members active - Kwouk is a great example  of that that. And, as Andy147 points  out, quite a few cast members passed away quite a while after the show ended. Also, we're talking about rather mature people - Kwouk and Lewis were in their eighties when they passed, Thornton was in his nineties.

Quote from: Andy147 on May 29, 2021, 10:12:10 PM
Stephen Lewis had left the show due to ill health a few years before it ended, and Peter Sallis lived for another 7 years (which isn't bad considering he was 96 when he died).

Although that's quite often said about Lewis,  according to the Vine book, his departure was partly due to family illness and budget constraints.

Quote from: Glebe on May 29, 2021, 10:29:15 PM
Did compo always live in the basement? I recall him leaning out the window in the morning and chatting up Nora in one episode.

He did, but don't spend anytime thinking about it - in Bell's book he mentions how the inside of the houses of Nora and Compo don't bear relation to what was presented in the exterior shots.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Ignatius_S on June 06, 2021, 03:36:41 PM
Quote from: Fambo Number Mive on June 06, 2021, 03:12:59 PM
I find it quite hypnotic. I don't watch the end credits though, maybe it would annoy me if I heard it two times per episode.

Not sure when it started, but there was stuff/final joke over the credits or just after them in quite a lot of episodes.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Elderly Sumo Prophecy on June 06, 2021, 05:51:48 PM
Oh dear. He'll have to start again, from the beginning.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: PlanktonSideburns on June 06, 2021, 10:01:57 PM
Theme tune is fucking gorgeous
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on June 10, 2021, 12:41:12 PM
On Series 20 now. A real decline in quality so far, with loads of jokes about how Truly disliked his former wife. Very few laughs so far but will keep watching.

Probably do a rewatch from Series 1 if there is another lockdown.
Title: Re: Last of the Summer Wine
Post by: Leej88 on June 10, 2021, 12:42:44 PM
Do not jinx it.