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Title: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: madhair60 on June 03, 2021, 03:08:12 PM
This is probably a bad idea for a thread but are there specific jokes from the "classic" Simpsons era - to avoid arguments, let's call this seasons 1 thru 10 - that are just total misfires for you, actively bad, shit jokes or concepts?

Personally I've never been fond of the whole Roy thing from the Poochie episode, but I don't love that episode in general. Too smug. "If anything, you owe them!" Yeah, eat shit
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 03, 2021, 03:12:49 PM
"I think he's talking to you" in the "Hello, Mr Thompson" sequence doesn't make any sense. There's no character called Mr Thompson in the Simpsons so its not believable Homer would think that was the name of the guy sitting next to him. He's also been interrogated for several hours so everyone will have been introduced.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: EOLAN on June 03, 2021, 03:48:58 PM
When Lisa sees an advertisement showing the Cane from Citizen Kane, and then saying "Hey, there is no cane in Citizen Kane", with the audience meant to chuckle and nod along in the realisation of the gag.
However; there are indeed many canes in Citizen Kane; particularly during the dance number (yes there is also a song and dance number in Citizen Kane).
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: madhair60 on June 03, 2021, 03:54:13 PM
Which The Simpsons had previously parodied to boot
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: retsuza on June 03, 2021, 04:24:25 PM
From Season 5:

(https://frinkiac.com/meme/S05E22/188537.jpg?b64lines=IFJFTUVNQkVSIFdIRU4gSSBUT09LIFRIQVQKIEhPTUUgV0lORS1NQUtJTkcgQ09VUlNFCiBBTkQgSSBGT1JHT1QgSE9XIFRPCiBEUklWRT8gVEhBVCdTIEJFQ0FVU0UgWU9VCiBXRVJFIERSVU5LISBBTkQgSE9XLg==)

The forgetting how to drive joke is fine, but I always disliked how Marge has to explain it. Even as a kid I felt like it was insulting my intelligence
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 03, 2021, 04:31:36 PM
And Homer drinks beer, not wine.

Trolling aside, I don't agree - "and how!" is brilliant because it means it wasn't Homer dumbass late Simpsons forgets-how-to-breath Homer, just that he was caught in a stupid excuse. As has been said ad nauseum in the DVD commentary, his impulsiveness and enthusiasm were always funnier than his stupidity.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: idunnosomename on June 03, 2021, 04:32:03 PM
Loads of 8 is patchy and 10 is all pretty bad.

I'm sure there are a few 2-7 jokes I don't like though. If i can think what they are is another matter
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 03, 2021, 04:34:49 PM
What is the joke that Groening hated and pointed to as the beginning of jerk-ass Homer? "The bee bit my bottom, now my bottom's big",  I think?
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: idunnosomename on June 03, 2021, 04:35:25 PM
From Season 5:

(https://frinkiac.com/meme/S05E22/188537.jpg?b64lines=IFJFTUVNQkVSIFdIRU4gSSBUT09LIFRIQVQKIEhPTUUgV0lORS1NQUtJTkcgQ09VUlNFCiBBTkQgSSBGT1JHT1QgSE9XIFRPCiBEUklWRT8gVEhBVCdTIEJFQ0FVU0UgWU9VCiBXRVJFIERSVU5LISBBTkQgSE9XLg==)

The forgetting how to drive joke is fine, but I always disliked how Marge has to explain it. Even as a kid I felt like it was insulting my intelligence
how else do you punctuate the joke? Just have her ignore it with an "mmmm"? The "and how" is funny because it shows he was just taking the piss and fondly remembering the time he got drunk on homemade wine.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Gulftastic on June 03, 2021, 04:36:28 PM
What is the joke that Groening hated and pointed to as the beginning of jerk-ass Homer? "The bee bit my bottom, now my bottom's big",  I think?

Really? That's in 'Homer Goes To College', one of the top three episodes of all time!
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 03, 2021, 04:39:47 PM
I might be misremembering it with Conan being grumpy about something.

There is an awkward part in one of the commentaries where everyone is laughing over a much loved joke and Groening gets irritated for a second and says something about remembering the writers suggesting it and thinking "what's next guys, Homer forgets how to breathe?" And talks about how Homer being stupid isn't funny. He's right of course but he let the show run after season nine for the moneys anyway.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: idunnosomename on June 03, 2021, 04:40:45 PM
I thought of that the other day when "baby did a boom boom" was posted. That i find obnoxiously unfunny.

But for some reason "a bee bit my bottom" is so absurd i just find it completely hilarious.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 03, 2021, 04:41:46 PM
For the record "a bee bit my bottom, now my bottoms big" is not funny[1] because bees don't bite they sting.



 1. okay its really funny
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Glebe on June 03, 2021, 04:59:53 PM
Homer turning into one-dimensional idiot = beginning of Zombie Simpsons.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: The Mollusk on June 03, 2021, 05:02:50 PM
For the record "a bee bit my bottom, now my bottoms big" is not funny[1] because bees don't bite they sting.
 1. okay its really funny

To be fair it’s not the only time Homer has been confused about the bee’s natural defence mechanism.

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Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: GoblinAhFuckScary on June 03, 2021, 05:07:21 PM
all these are very good jokes with the exception of the cane from citizen cane which is season 11 and in deep shite simpsons territory
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 03, 2021, 05:22:03 PM
When Lisa sees an advertisement showing the Cane from Citizen Kane, and then saying "Hey, there is no cane in Citizen Kane", with the audience meant to chuckle and nod along in the realisation of the gag.
However; there are indeed many canes in Citizen Kane; particularly during the dance number (yes there is also a song and dance number in Citizen Kane).

Worth it for the entire subgenre of shitposts it has created a quarter of a century later.

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Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 03, 2021, 05:23:57 PM
Krusty's 'me so solly' gag seemed a bit rum despite the joke being that it was rum and everyone was horrified, Krusty might've had a bit of the old prejudice being Jewish and the son of a Rabbi.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Leej88 on June 03, 2021, 05:28:57 PM
Always hated how Homer was when Bart is in the Junior Scouts he should be proud.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: idunnosomename on June 03, 2021, 05:34:49 PM
Not a joke but I always hated the ending where Homer's half-brother disowns him for designing a stupid car. Herb is the one who makes a point of not checking on the design before it's made (because plot). And then he just decides it's shit without even marketing it (because ending). Who's to say America isn't full of Homers who would pay 82 grand for that shit. And surely they didn't produce any more than just the one?

Plot led by plot, not characters.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Leej88 on June 03, 2021, 05:37:58 PM
When Herb comes back that is a funny episode yet, Danny De Vito is reduced to an answering phone cameo in his next appearance.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 03, 2021, 05:42:25 PM
Who's to say America isn't full of Homers who would pay 82 grand for that shit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Easter_eggs_in_Tesla_products
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 03, 2021, 06:42:53 PM
Herb is too much of a believably good person for the Simpsons. It works for exactly one episode, the comeback is funny but already the character is kind of broken.

Simpsons is great at showing the good sides of people with otherwise negative traits but having a character whose thing is that he was a cold blooded CEO who did a 180 when he realised he had nieces and nephews he never met kind of fucks with everything about the series.

They already have Flanders who disrupts the morality of the show by having a guy who's sweet and kind yet somehow that's horrible thing to be and he needs to be mocked and punished for it. Having Herb too would be too much. Devito plays him perfectly: I believe this guy is nice and smart, I want to spend time with him and it sucks when he doesn't get to watch cartoons with Bart and Lisa. I imagine he was a Warren supporter who came around on Sanders eventually.

On the subject of Flanders, I fucking hate when they made Flanders openly bigotted. There's one early 00s episode where there's a punchline that involves him raising money for gay conversion charities. Implying that he has horrible beliefs because he's a man of the book is fine so long as you never reveal them. Especially when his wife is the literal shorthand image for misdirected moral outrage. Now there's the implication that its possible to be a truly good person and believe all sorts of dire crap and Maude became a complete misogyny punching bag before they blasted her to death with shirts or whatever it was.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Leej88 on June 03, 2021, 07:19:28 PM
Homer leaving Marge in the car was a dick move and it would be something Homer would never do.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: thecuriousorange on June 03, 2021, 07:33:21 PM
All the times they joke about Homer drink driving are pretty bad. Was it an American thing to be blasé about that? Even in the 90s, I can't imagine a UK show laughing about drink driving in such a way.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Kankurette on June 03, 2021, 07:33:37 PM
Which season was the musical episode in? Because that was absolute gash.

Not sure about jokes, but I always hated the episode where Bart runs away from home after the Thanksgiving dinner goes horribly wrong. It wasn't funny at all, just depressing.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: JamesTC on June 03, 2021, 07:37:50 PM
All the times they joke about Homer drink driving are pretty bad. Was it an American thing to be blasé about that? Even in the 90s, I can't imagine a UK show laughing about drink driving in such a way.

Ahh come on. The joke in Mr Plow is one of the best in show's history:

Adjuster: Now, before I give you the cheque, one more question. Uh, this place Moe's you left just before the accident, this is a business of some kind?
Homer's Brain: Don't tell him you were at a bar. (gasps) But what else is open at night?
Homer: It's a pornography store. I was buying pornography.
Homer's Brain: Heh heh heh. I woulda never thought of that.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: idunnosomename on June 03, 2021, 07:38:53 PM
I didn't used to like the tail-end of the initial "Bort licence plate" bit in S6 ep4. The dialogue between the mother and the man who is also called Bort is very contrived. but I guess that's the point. you're doing a meta bit on a joke that's already funny. and could I come up with anything better in the writer's room? probably not.

and then there's the call-back towards the end which is just killer.

so yeah this is hard isnt it

the thing is the golden-age eps had the scripts gone over SO much by so many witty people, barely anything not funny could creep through
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Kankurette on June 03, 2021, 07:49:25 PM
Especially when his wife is the literal shorthand image for misdirected moral outrage.
I thought that was Helen 'won't somebody think of the CHILDREN?!' Lovejoy.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 03, 2021, 07:50:48 PM
I thought that was Helen 'won't somebody think of the CHILDREN?!' Lovejoy.

Shit yeah, my bad. Maude is the gossip.

Making Flanders overtly right wing is one of the many serious fuck ups that lead to zombie Simpsons.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 03, 2021, 07:55:08 PM
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ned_Flanders

French wikipedia page for Ned Flanders made an interesting choice.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: wrec on June 03, 2021, 08:06:00 PM
all these are very good jokes with the exception of the cane from citizen cane which is season 11 and in deep shite simpsons territory

Thinking the same. A bad one that came to mind is Homer's "misdirected woos" bit to Artie Ziff (doesn't work because John Woo films are not generally held to be badly directed) but that's Season 13. I'm sure there are weak lines in the classic era but the structure and pacing was generally so good then that they probably don't stick out as much. Not a joke but one thing that makes me cringe is Lisa doing the Jazzman song (have never heard the original).
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on June 03, 2021, 08:13:19 PM
I thought that was Helen 'won't somebody think of the CHILDREN?!' Lovejoy.
Shit yeah, my bad. Maude is the gossip.
Maud and Helen both overlap to a degree. Helen's meaner with her gossip and more of a leader in situations where we should all please think of the children, but Maud does her share of both.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Leej88 on June 03, 2021, 08:29:09 PM
I laughed at the bort joke and think it's funny that they had John Travolta as a has-been even though it was the year he made his comeback with Pulp Fiction
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: wrec on June 03, 2021, 08:37:15 PM
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Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Chriddof on June 03, 2021, 09:09:57 PM
Never liked the Jazzman song either (and I didn't know it was a cover). It's the absolute opposite of "when a Jazzman testifies" - the backing sounds like that piddly crap you get in and out of commercial breaks on SNL, or 80s / 90s talk shows. And now I've just listened to the Carole King original, and that has a similar wanky SNL sax overload to it. Gah.

Also the "If anything, you owe them" line mentioned earlier pretty much comes a cropper over here, what with the eternal right wing bete noire that is the TV license.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Magnum Valentino on June 03, 2021, 09:11:21 PM
I laughed at the bort joke and think it's funny that they had John Travolta as a has-been even though it was the year he made his comeback with Pulp Fiction

Bad timing for the Simpsons. Sure the Denver Broncos won the Superbowl twice in a row the year after the Simpsons used them as a punchline. Homer would have been a millionaire.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Leej88 on June 03, 2021, 09:17:28 PM
This one makes me laugh

Hey Lenny
Hey Homer did you get a haircut?or something
Look closer Lenny
Oh your the biggest man in the world now and you are covered in gold.
14 carat Gold
hahahahahah
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: JaDanketies on June 03, 2021, 09:37:47 PM
Oh Margie
You came and you found me a turkey
On my vacation away from workey
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: mippy on June 03, 2021, 09:45:57 PM
I dunno why, but the scene where Bart is watching a catwalk show and the models turn to reveal they are literally paper thin felt off to me. The Simpsons go to Paris? I dislike almost all Simpsons Go To... episodes.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Jerzy Bondov on June 03, 2021, 10:02:59 PM
I don’t think it’s a bad joke and it’s from one of the best episodes but I don’t see what’s so great about Groening’s favourite joke ‘I call the big one Bitey’
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: BJBMK2 on June 03, 2021, 10:18:16 PM
Bart Vs Australia. I'm not really one for the "This week, the family get up to wacky adventures in [X] country and meet a load of stereotypes" ep's either. Loads of cracking lines in that, as with all the episodes in this period, but the bit where Bart moons the rioting Australians while humming The Star Spangled Banner...I still to this day, can't tell if there's a level of irony there or if it's just flat out jingoism on the writer's part. The last act of that episode has some very off putting, out of character levels of nationalism that are misguided at best, and completely fucking nauseating at worst.

Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Leej88 on June 03, 2021, 10:19:45 PM
Milhouse lusting after Lisa gets pathetic after a while.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: BJBMK2 on June 03, 2021, 10:22:38 PM
Milhouse lusting after Lisa gets pathetic after a while.

Just about worth it I'd say, as it leads to one of the funniest closing freeze frames.

(https://puzzledpagan.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/031.png?w=1300)

Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Panurge on June 03, 2021, 10:26:25 PM
The king of  this, is surely

Quote
Homer : Hello, my name is Mr. Burns. I believe you have a letter for me.

Post Office Worker : Okay, Mr. Burns, ah, what's your first name?

Homer : ...I don't know.

Slight smile in the actual episode, seemingly elevated to one of the great all-time gags by the internet. Why exactly?
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Leej88 on June 03, 2021, 10:33:50 PM
It's funny cause he is posing as Mr. Burns and does not know his first name plus the voice he puts on aswell me and my girlfriend still quote it.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: idunnosomename on June 03, 2021, 10:38:19 PM
i genuinely think that's a perfect gag. he puts on a voice for no reason. then most obvious obstacle he hasn't foreseen comes up. he pathetically keeps up the charade even though he knows he's finished. slam cut to "great plan Bart".

sort of thing that made the Simpsons great imo

oh can we also not forget the effort put into the establishing shot

(https://i.imgur.com/6Z0qdNc.jpg)
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: JamesTC on June 03, 2021, 10:43:41 PM
Just about worth it I'd say, as it leads to one of the funniest closing freeze frames.

(https://puzzledpagan.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/031.png?w=1300)

(https://i.imgur.com/Vm3ZI5H.gif)
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Kankurette on June 03, 2021, 11:32:17 PM
Thinking the same. A bad one that came to mind is Homer's "misdirected woos" bit to Artie Ziff (doesn't work because John Woo films are not generally held to be badly directed) but that's Season 13. I'm sure there are weak lines in the classic era but the structure and pacing was generally so good then that they probably don't stick out as much. Not a joke but one thing that makes me cringe is Lisa doing the Jazzman song (have never heard the original).
It's by Carole King, and you're not missing much.

I can't hate the Australia one too much because 1) it has the word 'chazwozzer' in it and 2) one of my Aussie cousins has a son called Tobias, which always makes me think of the 'NINE HUNDRED DOLLARYDOOS?' bit.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 03, 2021, 11:57:07 PM
C'mon. Homer's "I don't know" in the post office scene is the one of the best deliveries in television history. Right up there with "pinning for the fjords", "it was a back tooth", "a pint? that's nearly an armful", "I'm a locksmith and a I'm a locksmith", "wild? I was livid"  and all the other big boys. Right up there pride of place.

Granted it inspired literally two shit "homer is stupid" gags per episode of Zombie Simpsons but Zombie Simpsons is just a thought experiment on the internet, we shouldn't treat it like a real thing people watch.

Did the mural gag inspire the Flaming Lips song or are they both referencing something else?
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Captain Z on June 04, 2021, 12:39:23 AM
So many incorrect opinions in this thread.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 04, 2021, 12:44:50 AM
Bart Vs Australia. I'm not really one for the "This week, the family get up to wacky adventures in [X] country and meet a load of stereotypes" ep's either. Loads of cracking lines in that, as with all the episodes in this period, but the bit where Bart moons the rioting Australians while humming The Star Spangled Banner...I still to this day, can't tell if there's a level of irony there or if it's just flat out jingoism on the writer's part. The last act of that episode has some very off putting, out of character levels of nationalism that are misguided at best, and completely fucking nauseating at worst.

Although I agree that their visits to other countries are dreadful, overall Bart vs Australia is probably one of the only 'good' ones.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 04, 2021, 12:51:44 AM
Are there other good ones? Not counting Bart in France in the first season.

State of New York versus Homer Simpson is easily the best "the Simpson are going to..." episode.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 04, 2021, 01:14:44 AM
Not to other countries.

The one where Bart and his mates go to Knoxville is good, although that's more about the journey I suppose.

Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 04, 2021, 01:16:53 AM
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Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Blumf on June 04, 2021, 01:23:34 AM
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I can think of two things wrong with that image
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: chveik on June 04, 2021, 01:47:05 AM
how many times do you have to watch the episodes in order to understand those shitposts?
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: markburgle on June 04, 2021, 06:24:09 AM
Milhouse lusting after Lisa gets pathetic after a while.

It was pathetic from the outset because that's the joke - he is pathetic. Also he's not lusting, he's pining.

I never liked the repetition of the "With a dry cool wit like that I could be an action hero" - the episode seems to agree that it's rubbish because someone else interrupts it.

I thought some of the jokes in the lemon tree episode - "hey look, an old man is talking", "Bart's quit his tutoring job and joined a violent gang" - had a later-season tossed-offedness about them
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: The Mollusk on June 04, 2021, 07:37:52 AM
So many incorrect opinions in this thread.

Yep
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: ASFTSN on June 04, 2021, 08:10:14 AM
how many times do you have to watch the episodes in order to understand those shitposts?

A lot-until it feels like The Simpsons is a second language.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Mr Trumpet on June 04, 2021, 08:27:44 AM
Bart Vs Australia. I'm not really one for the "This week, the family get up to wacky adventures in [X] country and meet a load of stereotypes" ep's either. Loads of cracking lines in that, as with all the episodes in this period, but the bit where Bart moons the rioting Australians while humming The Star Spangled Banner...I still to this day, can't tell if there's a level of irony there or if it's just flat out jingoism on the writer's part. The last act of that episode has some very off putting, out of character levels of nationalism that are misguided at best, and completely fucking nauseating at worst.

I remember thinking that was the first real dud episode I ever saw. Not necessarily unfunny, just obnoxious.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: JamesTC on June 04, 2021, 08:29:50 AM
I thought some of the jokes in the lemon tree episode - "hey look, an old man is talking", "Bart's quit his tutoring job and joined a violent gang" - had a later-season tossed-offedness about them

"Tute on, son! Tute on!"
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: idunnosomename on June 04, 2021, 08:44:27 AM
I also can't tell if the writers genuinely think the coriolis effect affects anything smaller than a tropical storm. An irritating premise.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: idunnosomename on June 04, 2021, 10:06:23 AM
Oh what about the ending of Bart Gets an Elephant where the joke is Stampy is a jerk and so is Homer
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: mr. logic on June 04, 2021, 10:27:35 AM
The joke when Jay Sherman is reading a letter from Marge and her voiceover says something like, 'See what you've made me do, Homer...'

She would just cross it out or start the letter again wouldn't she.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: dead-ced-dead on June 04, 2021, 10:29:12 AM
I re-watched Homer the Vigilante the other night and other than the parody of It's a Mad Mad Mad World and other money chase movies (hilarious, "What's a matter with ya kid!? You told me this stream was shallow) and the voice work of Sam Neill (always a pleasure), the whole episode is really naff. Like it feels like a new episode. I can't even put my finger on what exactly is naff about it, it was just all a bit wet.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Mr Trumpet on June 04, 2021, 10:37:19 AM
Love the Dragnet bit in that episode.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: JamesTC on June 04, 2021, 10:51:14 AM
I re-watched Homer the Vigilante the other night and other than the parody of It's a Mad Mad Mad World and other money chase movies (hilarious, "What's a matter with ya kid!? You told me this stream was shallow) and the voice work of Sam Neill (always a pleasure), the whole episode is really naff. Like it feels like a new episode. I can't even put my finger on what exactly is naff about it, it was just all a bit wet.

(https://i.imgur.com/HMh84rj.gif)
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: dead-ced-dead on June 04, 2021, 10:52:25 AM
There are good jokes in it, don't get me wrong. I also love Wiggum re-arranging the arrows on the board to point at the station and him rubbing himself down with the handkerchief left on the crime scene. It's not exactly something I can put my finger on, it's just the episode as a whole feels off.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: GoblinAhFuckScary on June 04, 2021, 11:03:52 AM
I re-watched Homer the Vigilante the other night and other than the parody of It's a Mad Mad Mad World and other money chase movies (hilarious, "What's a matter with ya kid!? You told me this stream was shallow) and the voice work of Sam Neill (always a pleasure), the whole episode is really naff. Like it feels like a new episode. I can't even put my finger on what exactly is naff about it, it was just all a bit wet.

homer the vigilante is one of the best episodes out of season 5! the fucking strangelove bomb joke for christ's sake. the entire episode has fantastic momentum.

my only rum episode through seasons 3-8 is lisa the beauty queen tbh. it's outright pervy and uncomfortable in some scenes, despite some otherwise killer jokes

oh and this from radio bart

(https://i.imgur.com/jfDjPnY.gif)

and that really unpleasant letchy drunk homer from war of the simpsons (season 2 is patchy anyway) which lead to this shitpost

(https://i.imgur.com/AgWrbDi.jpg)
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: retsuza on June 04, 2021, 11:13:08 AM
The joke when Jay Sherman is reading a letter from Marge and her voiceover says something like, 'See what you've made me do, Homer...'

She would just cross it out or start the letter again wouldn't she.

Boy, I really hope someone got fired for that blunder.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: sevendaughters on June 04, 2021, 11:15:29 AM
struggling to think but i thought the arcade machine for Waterworld requiring a shitload of money to play it, and it being unsatisfying, was kind of flat.

also it is "violence gang", which to me is very very funny.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: sevendaughters on June 04, 2021, 11:49:32 AM
i guess this falls into the Homer = stupid = please laugh territory but at the beginning of the one where he becomes an adult educator (not a great one) he is eating a poker chip and says "hey guys, don't try these chips" or something pretty obvious like that.

impressed with how hard this is considering i disagree with most previously-mentioned examples!
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: sevendaughters on June 04, 2021, 01:05:50 PM
sorry to be a combo maker but aghast at the Homer in the post office coming up here. That is right out of Don Quixote windmills territory.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 04, 2021, 01:11:38 PM

and that really unpleasant letchy drunk homer from war of the simpsons (season 2 is patchy anyway) which lead to this shitpost


And this:

(https://www.dogsonacid.com/attachments/image0-jpg.205387/)

War of the Simpsons isn't great, but the bit where he recalls his hangover perfectly captures existential dread.

(https://frinkiac.com/video/S02E20/ii8fTdjKeLqVim4HqTX4XR79LHI=.gif)
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: sevendaughters on June 04, 2021, 01:21:42 PM
is that the bit with the "I declare this the wittiest jape of the season"? because that is also incredible.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Pink Gregory on June 04, 2021, 01:35:39 PM
struggling to think but i thought the arcade machine for Waterworld requiring a shitload of money to play it, and it being unsatisfying, was kind of flat.

also it is "violence gang", which to me is very very funny.

I don't know, the pause and then Milhouse putting the coins in again makes it land, I think.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 04, 2021, 01:36:50 PM
is that the bit with the "I declare this the wittiest jape of the season"? because that is also incredible.

Yeah!
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: JaDanketies on June 04, 2021, 01:37:25 PM
I don't know, the pause and then Milhouse putting the coins in again makes it land, I think.

Just struck me that Milhouse spending a tonne of money for an unsatisfying game is a parallel to how Kevin Costner spent an even bigger tonne of money for an unsatisfying movie (Waterworld).
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: mr. logic on June 04, 2021, 01:48:45 PM
Boy, I really hope someone got fired for that blunder.

Haha, I know, I know. It hits me as really clunky though. It’s not a particularly funny idea in the first place either.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Bernice on June 04, 2021, 01:49:56 PM
Boy Scouts N The Hood suffers for how much of an insufferable prick Homer is throughout. Bullies his son for joining the scouts, steals Ernest Borgnine's pocket knife (thus dooming him and a bunch of scouts to death by bear), loses the map, wastes their only flare when lost at sea, eats all the rations when lost at sea, shouts down all Flanders legitimate survival techniques... Individually they're funny enough moments, cumulatively it's just way too much and quite unpleasant.

People point to the Frank Grimes episode as the birth of Jerkass Homer, but he's way worse here - in the Grimes episode he's mostly just oblivious. Even the "Change the channel Marge!" at Grimey's funeral isn't malicious, he's just talking in his sleep.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: sevendaughters on June 04, 2021, 01:51:53 PM
just looked it up, it is 'i pronounce this to be the most whimsical jape of the season', but the whole recollection of Homer's pissed rampage as a tableau out of Wodehouse is just a great gag on its own
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Steven88 on June 04, 2021, 02:10:21 PM
Boy Scouts N The Hood suffers for how much of an insufferable prick Homer is throughout. Bullies his son for joining the scouts, steals Ernest Borgnine's pocket knife (thus dooming him and a bunch of scouts to death by bear), loses the map, wastes their only flare when lost at sea, eats all the rations when lost at sea, shouts down all Flanders legitimate survival techniques... Individually they're funny enough moments, cumulatively it's just way too much and quite unpleasant.

People point to the Frank Grimes episode as the birth of Jerkass Homer, but he's way worse here - in the Grimes episode he's mostly just oblivious. Even the "Change the channel Marge!" at Grimey's funeral isn't malicious, he's just talking in his sleep.
EGGHEAD LOVES HIS BOOKY WOOK
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: H-O-W-L on June 04, 2021, 02:14:38 PM
I like the Guy Incognito gag but Homer spotting him and going "THIS GUY LOOKS LIKE ME!" sorta slaughtered it.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 04, 2021, 02:14:50 PM
What's more the sugar sugar section is not funny at all! Homer would never listen to the Archies and the situation is far too stressful for an obese male in his late 30s to achieve REM sleep enough to dream about dancing with giant lollipop people.

Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 04, 2021, 02:15:32 PM
I like the Guy Incognito gag but Homer spotting him and going "THIS GUY LOOKS LIKE ME!" sorta slaughtered it.

Much like "you were drunk" on the front page that is set up for the joke to end on a non sequitor, where Homer's short attention span ends his train of thought.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Bernice on June 04, 2021, 02:21:17 PM
Much like "you were drunk" on the front page that is set up for the joke to end on a non sequitor, where Homer's short attention span ends his train of thought.

Yes! Surely it's as funny a 30 seconds as there ever were on TV: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jaAeTaG_ms
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Leej88 on June 04, 2021, 02:21:56 PM
I didn't say stop.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: markburgle on June 04, 2021, 02:29:01 PM
EGGHEAD LOVES HIS BOOKY WOOK

Big fan of "Weeellll. If it isn't Colonel Weiner boning up on his nerd lessons"
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 04, 2021, 02:33:16 PM
I think in episodes like Boys Scoutz In The Hood they wrote Homer as mean because he was impulsive and his attitudes to things can change instantly. The episode is dark and full of dark jokes about knives and bears, so Homer can be a bully. There was no sense he'd stay that way any more the episode would end with RIP ERNEST BORGNINE.

I think the problem was they did it a few times afterwards to less effect and ending up calcifying a set of jokes and attitudes that became Jerk Ass Homer. Lisa On Ice is still a pretty funny episode, but Homer is a bastard in it for no real reason other than to mirror everyone else being arseholes set around the joke of bookish Lisa becoming an aggressive jock because she wants to be on the hockney team. The Jerk Ass traits just became the set vocab for when they needed to pitch the character up, whereas before you don't know if he'd be bullying and mean or paranoia or over sensitive or whatever else they needed.

Same episode has Ralph's "me fail English? Unpossible" which was an early sign of the rampant ableism and Lol Dumb People humour of zombie Simpsons.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: samadriel on June 04, 2021, 02:37:50 PM
I think Bart vs Australia is easily the shittiest episode of good-era Simpsons. Even so, there's a handful of good jokes, but to pick just two shit ones, there's "knifey spoony" (what a boring placeholder for a proper joke), and "chuzwozzers", which strikes me as a possibly-racist, definitely-ignorant "haha, Aboriginal languages sound stupid! Don't Australians come up with stupid names for things!" remark. BvA is definitely a sign that the Simpsons couldn't do international travel episodes, even at the height of their powers.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: GoblinAhFuckScary on June 04, 2021, 03:16:07 PM
I think Bart vs Australia is easily the shittiest episode of good-era Simpsons. Even so, there's a handful of good jokes, but to pick just two shit ones, there's "knifey spoony" (what a boring placeholder for a proper joke), and "chuzwozzers", which strikes me as a possibly-racist, definitely-ignorant "haha, Aboriginal languages sound stupid! Don't Australians come up with stupid names for things!" remark. BvA is definitely a sign that the Simpsons couldn't do international travel episodes, even at the height of their powers.

somebody lost a game of knifey spoony
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: sevendaughters on June 04, 2021, 03:20:32 PM
OI PRIME MINISTER
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 04, 2021, 03:22:15 PM
The shittest "classic" episode is easily Lady Bouvier's Lover for me.

The tone is totally off. So many weird gags it feels more like a dry run for later Family Guy than Simpsons. The animation cel subplot is fine but the rest of it is uncomfortably cruel about older people and its got a bit of Zombie Simpsons misogyny about how it treats Marge's family.  Some real bad dumb Homer jokes like "its not Magaggies birthday?" as well.

Bart V Australia is good. It's full of silly jokes and the jingoism clearly ironic. Chuzwozzers joke is racist as hell tho
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 04, 2021, 03:45:28 PM
Surely we see some jerk-ass homer in Brother from Another Planet.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: TheQueensboroBridge on June 04, 2021, 04:03:52 PM
What a fun thread.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: sevendaughters on June 04, 2021, 04:06:26 PM
never been a big supporter of the 'laughing at the oddness of place names' = 'probably racist' theory. Britain has places called Twatt, Geocrab, and Upton Snodsbury. It gets old as humour and there are better jokes to make, but phonetics make certain sounds and juxtapositions hilarious to non-native speakers. I bet it works the other way around too.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 04, 2021, 04:09:03 PM
Australian place and animal names being ignorant/nonsensical is already a racist joke, though. Comes from arguments about whether anglacised indigenous or apparently dignified colonial names should be used. The joke isn't "this is silly word", its "if australians had the choice between toad and chuzwozzer, they'd choose chuzwozzer" - Uluru for Ayer's Rock, etc.  I don't think it matters that the joke has become so repeated by now that the context is vanishing. (https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71kX3C4MWNL._SY355_.jpg)

Same with Irish surnames but stronger since no one is losing their job over being called O'hanrahanrahan.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: samadriel on June 04, 2021, 04:23:06 PM
Surely we see some jerk-ass homer in Brother from Another Planet.

Nah, Homer can do bad things - even comically-exaggerated bad things - without being "Jerkass Homer". The difference is that Brother From the Same Planet has a Homer whose sins and flaws come from relatable human weaknesses, while Zombie Simpsons Homer is just a hollering subhuman who does bad shit because the writer's from is still under the delusion that behaving badly = surprising = funny.

As for "chuzwozzers", remember the kid says "I'd have called them chuzwozzers" - the suggestions is that Aboriginal words are just dumb shit those Aussies come up with off the top of their heads. It actually seems doubly as racist to me that they had a white kid say it - not only are Aboriginal words dumb shit, they're being made up by dumb white Australians!
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: sutin on June 04, 2021, 04:30:45 PM
The Hank Scorpio episode is rubbish. I didn't know it existed until about 2010 either, it never seemed to be repeated.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 04, 2021, 04:32:04 PM
The Hank Scorpio episode is rubbish. I didn't know it existed until about 2010 either, it never seemed to be repeated.

Ever see someone say goodbye to a thread?
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: JamesTC on June 04, 2021, 04:37:16 PM
I always hated the bit with the really funny joke that made me laugh.

Burn thread to ground.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 04, 2021, 04:38:55 PM
You are Lisa Simpson? More like you are turning the television set off! What a load of crap, how can he be the best supply teacher ever he thinks his students forget their own names? And they mispelled Dustin Hoffman's name in the credits and all.

Do it for her? Do me a favour more like.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 04, 2021, 04:42:57 PM
Ever see someone say goodbye to a thread?

Yes, once!

Now, is that 'once' several seconds ago, or at some other point in the past?
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 04, 2021, 04:44:13 PM
The answer to the viking joke still makes me mad. Outrageous.

Its like Quentin Tarantino confirmed the morons who think Pulp Fiction is set in hell and the briefcase contains Wallace's soul.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: JamesTC on June 04, 2021, 04:46:14 PM
Yes, once!

Now, is that 'once' several seconds ago, or at some other point in the past?

I always took that to mean Homer was remembering several seconds earlier. I think the joke is funnier that way.

Although the joke is still funny if Homer is remembering another separate occasion in which somebody said goodbye to a shoe.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 04, 2021, 04:47:50 PM
I thought it would be really funny if an obnoxious customer insisted that the clearly alive parrot he bought was dead, wasting an honest merchant's time.
-John Cleese
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: dissolute ocelot on June 04, 2021, 04:50:56 PM
I always took that to mean Homer was remembering several seconds earlier. I think the joke is funnier that way.

Although the joke is still funny if Homer is remembering another separate occasion in which somebody said goodbye to a shoe.
Not wishing to get into one of the most heated debates in Simpsons fandom, but people saying goodbye to a shoe is not that unlikely. I'm sure every child goes through a phase of either saying goodbye to every object in the house before leaving, or goodnight to every object before going to bed. Perhaps procrastination, but still counts.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 04, 2021, 04:52:32 PM
I thought it was just Homer being stuck and not knowing what to answer and not wanting to sound stupid or inexperienced. Homer barely understands a word of what Scorpio is say and doing.

"[conversation going too fast for Homer to follow]...have you ever seen a guy [do something silly]?" Homer: Yes, once.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Captain Z on June 04, 2021, 05:04:13 PM
That bit where Homer falls down the side of the gorge, gets recovered, loaded into the ambulance which crashes and he falls down the gorge again. We've literally just seen that happen, very lazy to repeat the same joke straight after. Plus I don't find it funny to laugh at serious pain and injuries, and I also don't think that an ambulance driver would fail to see a tree immediately infront of them.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 04, 2021, 05:11:06 PM
I can't believe Chalmers would believe someone would steam clams in their oven and not in a pot. He's a man of the world after all. And its already been established that he finds Skinner to be a highly untrustworthy person. Terrible joke, no wonder its often forgotten.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Leej88 on June 04, 2021, 05:17:14 PM
Not a joke but when Homer rents out Lisa's room cause of something he did and he just sings the odd couple while Bart says I am gonna make your life a living hell.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 04, 2021, 05:21:55 PM
Is that where he rents it to some cellular provider headed-up by the recurring Businesswoman? That was shit.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: dissolute ocelot on June 04, 2021, 05:23:49 PM
Australian place and animal names being ignorant/nonsensical is already a racist joke, though. Comes from arguments about whether anglacised indigenous or apparently dignified colonial names should be used. The joke isn't "this is silly word", its "if australians had the choice between toad and chuzwozzer, they'd choose chuzwozzer" - Uluru for Ayer's Rock, etc.  I don't think it matters that the joke has become so repeated by now that the context is vanishing. (https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71kX3C4MWNL._SY355_.jpg)

Same with Irish surnames but stronger since no one is losing their job over being called O'hanrahanrahan.
I don't want to say it's not racist, but white Australian culture has a tradition of colourful or apparently nonsensical expressions that aren't all of Aboriginal origin (bushwhacker, swagman, duck-billed platypus, arvo, Waltzing Matilda, bludger, dunny, several hundred words for drinking and vomiting, etc), as well as a lot of interplay between English and native languages. (And, "drongo" which is apparently from an indigenous language of Madagascar, via a shit racehorse.) Definitely not an area for ignorant foreigners to make jokes about though.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 04, 2021, 05:23:54 PM
What really gets me in the coach gags that open each episode, you mean to tell me that the whole family is just sitting down and something unexpected happens to interrupt their television watching? And it happens all the time? Bit implausible isn't it.

It's a lot like You Been Framed, you can imagine something unexpected happening but you just ask yourself why they would have the camera set up to film themselves watching television to capture it? I'm not born yesterday.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Leej88 on June 04, 2021, 05:24:16 PM
Yeah it was not a good episode I do like Lisa and Homer's episodes cause they are so different like when they go to the Museum
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: JamesTC on June 04, 2021, 05:26:00 PM
Why would Marge allow the cashier to not only scan in Maggie but also then pay for her? Seems implausible to me.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 04, 2021, 05:29:54 PM
I don't want to say it's not racist, but white Australian culture has a tradition of colourful or apparently nonsensical expressions that aren't all of Aboriginal origin

With the exception of "drongo" most of those have fairly evident etymologies or obvious relationships to other terms. The kid didn't say "I'd have called it a hopwarter!" or summat.

Also, its chazwazza which is more clearly a parody of an Australian anglicisation. It's obviously not racist in intent, just by dint that it ignores of the fact that its genre of jokes has shitty colonial history.

Fuck me I did a historicism as a justification for why I think something is problematic. Unclean, unclean.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: idunnosomename on June 04, 2021, 05:32:22 PM
What are the words "the simpsons" doing coming out of the sky to a heavenly choir? Whats that all about
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Leej88 on June 04, 2021, 05:33:00 PM
You played knifey spooney before have you.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 04, 2021, 05:34:16 PM
What are the words "the simpsons" doing coming out of the sky to a heavenly choir? Whats that all about

What's more, a two dimensional person would fall into two halves because there is no way they could have a digestive tract.

The entire premise of the show is bunk.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: JamesTC on June 04, 2021, 05:45:41 PM
Am I expected to believe that a court would accept that Sideshow Bob had "THE BART, THE" tattooed on his chest?
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Leej88 on June 04, 2021, 05:46:22 PM
No one who is German could be a evil man.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: GoblinAhFuckScary on June 04, 2021, 05:58:55 PM
I can't believe Chalmers would believe someone would steam clams in their oven and not in a pot. He's a man of the world after all. And its already been established that he finds Skinner to be a highly untrustworthy person. Terrible joke, no wonder its often forgotten.

har har harrrrr
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Petey Pate on June 04, 2021, 07:31:08 PM
What are the words "the simpsons" doing coming out of the sky to a heavenly choir? Whats that all about

Apparently there is actually a joke in this, as the letters 'The Simp' appear first, which is supposed to lead one to believe that the show is called The Simples or The Simpletons.

I didn't even realise this was supposed to be a joke so I suppose it counts as a bad one.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: McChesney Duntz on June 04, 2021, 07:33:37 PM
Apparently there is actually a joke in this, as the letters 'The Simp' appear first, which is supposed to lead one to believe that the show is called The Simples or The Simpletons.

Really? That seems... odd. Source?
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Petey Pate on June 04, 2021, 07:40:06 PM
Really? That seems... odd. Source?

I think it's mentioned on one of the season 1 DVD commentaries, though I forget who said it and on which episode.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: McChesney Duntz on June 04, 2021, 07:49:47 PM
I think it's mentioned on one of the season 1 DVD commentaries, though I forget who said it and on which episode.

Huh. Then yeah, I'd call that a bad joke.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Pink Gregory on June 04, 2021, 08:21:54 PM
Lindsay Nagel is terrible and no replacement for Lionel Hutz
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Leej88 on June 04, 2021, 08:38:50 PM
Nothing could be done about the retiring of Lionel Hutz and Troy Mcclure I do miss them.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: JamesTC on June 04, 2021, 08:45:08 PM
Gil had his moments but the joke wore rather fast with him.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Leej88 on June 04, 2021, 08:47:19 PM
I been trying to sell the Whitman house for 21 years.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Andy147 on June 04, 2021, 11:46:52 PM
just looked it up, it is 'i pronounce this to be the most whimsical jape of the season', but the whole recollection of Homer's pissed rampage as a tableau out of Wodehouse is just a great gag on its own

It's supposed to be the Algonquin Round Table rather than Wodehouse (at least according to the Complete Guide).
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: idunnosomename on June 05, 2021, 12:00:48 AM
Gil had his moments but the joke wore rather fast with him.
those sort of characters are best left as tropes. almost like commedia dell'arte (eh cookd and bombd forum?). I think they even gave Hank Azaria's sarcastic guy a name and a model sheet later on. pointless

woah! a fat sarcastic star trek fan. you must be a devil with the ladies
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 05, 2021, 12:05:44 AM
Does he have a name or is he like 'just stamp the ticket guy'?
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: idunnosomename on June 05, 2021, 12:28:30 AM
https://simpsons.fandom.com/wiki/Raphael

to be fair that's just what Sideshow Bob calls him before he asks if he can sleep in his storage garage. but his design has standardised beyond just a sarcastic voice that he was originally
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Leej88 on June 05, 2021, 08:09:01 AM
The mailman who punches Bart had the same voice as the sarcastic guy always found that odd.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: OnlyRegisteredSoICanRead on June 05, 2021, 12:54:03 PM
Apparently there is actually a joke in this, as the letters 'The Simp' appear first, which is supposed to lead one to believe that the show is called The Simples or The Simpletons.

I didn't even realise this was supposed to be a joke so I suppose it counts as a bad one.

More like the Simps these days now the SJWs have blah blah AMIRITE?
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Blumf on June 05, 2021, 12:55:40 PM
The mailman who punches Bart had the same voice as the sarcastic guy always found that odd.

It's kinda like Charles Bronson's voice, isn't it.

(https://i.redd.it/gc78i0zbhrmy.jpg)
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: kngen on June 05, 2021, 01:38:55 PM
As others have mentioned, Bart vs Australia is the first real clunker that seemed mostly laugh-free to me.

But Boy Scoutz in the Hood? So many great lines:

Ernest Borgnine: Hiya kids! You probably know me best as Sergeant Fatso Judson in From Here to Eternity!

Kids: YAAAAAAAAY!!!!!



Homer (looking at map): Hey, there's a new Mexico!

Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Magnum Valentino on June 05, 2021, 01:44:31 PM
Jesus this is worse than the Who's The Worst Member Of threads.

Actively looking for defects in something beautiful to discuss with relish is obscenely destructive.

Five pages suggests this will be an unpopular opinion but I'd regret saying nothing.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: markburgle on June 05, 2021, 02:36:34 PM
Jesus this is worse than the Who's The Worst Member Of threads.

Actively looking for defects in something beautiful to discuss with relish is obscenely destructive.

Five pages suggests this will be an unpopular opinion but I'd regret saying nothing.

I both agree with what you've said and relish the challenge of participating
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on June 05, 2021, 03:12:02 PM
Jesus this is worse than the Who's The Worst Member Of threads.

Actively looking for defects in something beautiful to discuss with relish is obscenely destructive.

Five pages suggests this will be an unpopular opinion but I'd regret saying nothing.

I thought the same thing, but couldn't be arsed to moan. And now I don't have to, so thank you!
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Fambo Number Mive on June 05, 2021, 03:54:03 PM
I don't get the whole "wet willy" thing. Why would Millhouse say yes to it?
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: St_Eddie on June 05, 2021, 04:37:28 PM
Apparently there is actually a joke in this, as the letters 'The Simp' appear first...

The Simpsons predicted incel culture.

#SimpsonsPredicts
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Leej88 on June 05, 2021, 06:42:59 PM
Jimmy Hendrix's dog in Homerpalooza the one episode in general is so bad does have one funny line about the manager sending his freaks to a vet.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: peanutbutter on June 05, 2021, 06:59:49 PM
When Herb comes back that is a funny episode yet, Danny De Vito is reduced to an answering phone cameo in his next appearance.
I assume DeVito has repeatedly turned down offers to return, and rightly so. His phone camero is at least a bit funny, especially after two decades between appearances.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Ron Maels Moustache on June 05, 2021, 07:01:50 PM
I have to admit to getting more uncomfortable with some of the Comic Book Guy stuff as the years go by, at least when it starts to veer into "point and laugh at the fat loser" territory. Particularly when he's used as a proxy for anyone expressing a critical opinion of the show.

The nadir of that would be the "Anyone care what this guy thinks?" - "NO!" scene from Saddlesore Galactica. The ultimate lazy put-down for arseholes trying to stifle dissenting opinions. Made even worse when you think of how the writers must've put that in while being aware that they were producing substandard material, and are obviously trying to head off the online critics before they've even seen it.

But that's from Season 10, so probably over the line of what's generally considered "good" Simpsons.

Here's a hot take though- the Shary Bobbins episode is one of the worst of the classic era, needlessly mean-spirited and hardly any of the jokes land (except for Charles Bronson on the Andy Griffith Show of course- "Now I'm goin' down to Emmet's Fix-It Shop...to fix Emmet!")

This is the kind of thing I mean, lame meta-humour.

Shary Bobbins: Hello, I'm Shary Bobbins.
Homer: Did you say Mary Pop—?
Shary Bobbins: No! I definitely did not! I'm an original creation, like Rickey Rouse and Monald Muck.

One gag from a classic episode I've also never cared for is from "Home Sweet Homediddly-Dum-Doodily" when Homer suddenly gets all spiritual after getting accidentally baptised, and then immediately turns round and tells Flanders to shut up. I dunno why, it's just not a very funny punchline to that bit and it always felt jarring to me.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Leej88 on June 05, 2021, 07:04:22 PM
I do not find the sherry bobbins episode funny at all.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: kalowski on June 05, 2021, 07:06:09 PM
I've always hated the Shary Bobbins one yet seen it feted elsewhere. It's good to see there are others with a similar view to me.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Leej88 on June 05, 2021, 07:08:01 PM
I always found the Mel Gibson episode self-important and obviously kissing Mel's arse at any time.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: JamesTC on June 05, 2021, 07:20:01 PM
The Shary Bobbins episode is a classic. The opening third is one of the strongest in the shows run. Had me hurting from laughter when I rewatched it a few months back.

Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: neov1974 on June 05, 2021, 08:24:32 PM
add in "so you work for Carl eh? to the Shary Bobbins episode good bits

For clunkers, literally a significant majority of Groundskeeper Willie is subpar, even in the classic era, barely ever funny
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: madhair60 on June 05, 2021, 08:55:43 PM
Hi - i fucking love classic Simpsons. it's the best thing ever. I'm just curious what people personally didn't think landed, because it's rarely talked about. that's all. settle down you dumb bitches.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Leej88 on June 05, 2021, 09:10:26 PM
Lunchlady Doris you got any grease?
Yes, yes we do
Then grease me up Woman.
Okie dokie
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: markburgle on June 05, 2021, 10:24:36 PM
add in "so you work for Carl eh? to the Shary Bobbins episode good bits

For clunkers, literally a significant majority of Groundskeeper Willie is subpar, even in the classic era, barely ever funny

Principal Skinner: Willie, go into the vent and get him.
Groundskeeper Willie: What!? Have ye gone waxy in yer beester? I canna fit in a wee vent, ye croquet-playin' mint-muncher!
Principal Skinner: Grease yourself up and go in, you... guff-speaking work-slacker.
Groundskeeper Willie: Ooh. Good comeback.

Defense rests.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: JamesTC on June 05, 2021, 10:31:17 PM
I'm from North Kilttown!
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 06, 2021, 12:06:04 AM
It's Rowdy Roddy Peeeeeper.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 06, 2021, 03:26:09 AM
(https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/simpsons/images/7/71/Willyandwolf.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/640?cb=20200729034948)
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 06, 2021, 03:42:38 AM
When you're alone,
And life is getting you lonely,
Ye kin always go,
Ach! Doontoon!
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Jerzy Bondov on June 06, 2021, 08:32:00 AM
Oh there you go, that's my contribution to this thread: "cheese-eating surrender monkeys". Not funny.
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: Mark X on June 06, 2021, 10:28:40 AM
"Brothers and sisters are natural enemies, like Englishmen and Scots. Or Welshmen and Scots. Or Japanese and Scots. Or Scots and other Scots. Damn Scots! They ruined Scotland!"
Title: Re: bad jokes in the classic Simpsons era
Post by: idunnosomename on June 06, 2021, 10:36:21 AM
Oh there you go, that's my contribution to this thread: "cheese-eating surrender monkeys". Not funny.
the idea that Willie has been roped in to teach French is quite funny though. Even though we can't expect Americans to know about the Auld Alliance and that Francophobia is really an English thing.