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Title: That dog eating scene in Peep Show
Post by: Barry Admin on June 10, 2021, 06:14:14 AM
Can't remember quite how my train of thought ended up on this, as I struggle with another night of insomnia, but...

It just broke the reality of the show, didn't it?

That's what was bollocks about it and why it is widely viewed as the nadir of Peep Show on here, right? It's not that it's easy gross out humour, cause that can be really funny. It's just fucking stupid. Eating a fucking burnt dog.

And yet it's seemingly one of the most popular scenes with "the shit-munchers", so do most folks just not have that sense of thinking "oh, hang on, this is dumb" when they're watching comedy?
Title: Re: That dog eating scene in Peep Show
Post by: dannyfc on June 10, 2021, 06:44:07 AM
In retrospect Series 4 isnt bad itself,  even in that episode there's some great bits like Marks inter dominational hangover joke when attempting to flirt.

But yeah its definitely the point where the tone shifted more toward shock humour.
Title: Re: That dog eating scene in Peep Show
Post by: Fried Egg Sandwich on June 10, 2021, 08:16:20 AM
Can't remember quite how my train of thought ended up on this, as I struggle with another night of insomnia, but...

It just broke the reality of the show, didn't it?

That's what was bollocks about it and why it is widely viewed as the nadir of Peep Show on here, right? It's not that it's easy gross out humour, cause that can be really funny. It's just fucking stupid. Eating a fucking burnt dog.

And yet it's seemingly one of the most popular scenes with "the shit-munchers", so do most folks just not have that sense of thinking "oh, hang on, this is dumb" when they're watching comedy?

Imagine being so insecure that you gatekeep sitcoms. I'm sure your IQ is well above average mate, don't worry.
Title: Re: That dog eating scene in Peep Show
Post by: ASFTSN on June 10, 2021, 08:23:20 AM
Arguably, running an open forum for 15000+ members to discuss sitcoms isn't gatekeeping them.

I don't actually think this scene was that bad, but I like disgusting stuff. I also thought it was quite funny that it was the second time a dog had met a grisly end at the hands of the El Dude brothers.

Peep Show only really went off the.  boil around series 8 for me.
Title: Re: That dog eating scene in Peep Show
Post by: Jockice on June 10, 2021, 08:31:23 AM
I actually watched this very scene yesterday, while trying to distract myself from doing any work I clicked on a link called 'Mark and Jeremy's most embarrassing moments' or suchlike. For me the whole thing doesn't work not because it's horrible but because all Jeremy had to do before getting on the barge with it was claim that the bag was full of rubbish and put it into a bin. No further questions would have been asked. I know comedy often stretches the bounds of normality, but I think even Trigger or Frank Spencer would have done that.
Title: Re: That dog eating scene in Peep Show
Post by: Barry Admin on June 10, 2021, 08:32:50 AM
Imagine being so insecure that you gatekeep sitcoms. I'm sure your IQ is well above average mate, don't worry.

Does those mean you liked the scene and my thread triggered the fuck out of you? :-)

Anyway, genuine question in the OP. I did realise someone would almost certainly misinterpret the reference to "shit-eaters", so can't fault you for doing so.
Title: Re: That dog eating scene in Peep Show
Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on June 10, 2021, 08:45:44 AM
I actually watched this very scene yesterday, while trying to distract myself from doing any work I clicked on a link called 'Mark and Jeremy's most embarrassing moments' or suchlike. For me the whole thing doesn't work not because it's horrible but because all Jeremy had to do before getting on the barge with it was claim that the bag was full of rubbish and put it into a bin. No further questions would have been asked. I know comedy often stretches the bounds of normality, but I think even Trigger or Frank Spencer would have done that.

Yup. Jeremy is a pathetic little self-serving buffoon, a twat, but that scene made him look psychotic. 
Title: Re: That dog eating scene in Peep Show
Post by: Barry Admin on June 10, 2021, 08:50:07 AM
I also thought it was quite funny that it was the second time a dog had met a grisly end at the hands of the El Dude brothers.

What was the other time? Can't remember that at all.
Title: Re: That dog eating scene in Peep Show
Post by: Thomas on June 10, 2021, 08:57:20 AM
For me the whole thing doesn't work not because it's horrible but because all Jeremy had to do before getting on the barge with it was claim that the bag was full of rubbish and put it into a bin. No further questions would have been asked. I know comedy often stretches the bounds of normality, but I think even Trigger or Frank Spencer would have done that.

Yeah - sometimes it's entertaining (and cringingly tense) for the audience to spot ways that the failing protagonist could resolve everything and save themselves. It happens throughout Peep Show (think of Jez's expression as Mark needlessly sings 'I like you' to Sophie's answerphone - in that moment he is us).

But in this scene, Jez cornering himself into eating the dog is too contrived. There are just so many easy ways to dispose of it that it becomes distracting, rather than successfully tense. There's a bin, there's a hedge, there's a forest, there's a canal - and still he carries the bag all morning! I can imagine it working in a wackier show with more cartoonish rules - perhaps for Andy in Parks and Rec - but Peep Show had established a sort of psychological grounding.
Title: Re: That dog eating scene in Peep Show
Post by: paruses on June 10, 2021, 09:02:08 AM
What was the other time? Can't remember that at all.

Mark makes reference to having had to kick a dog to death in the episode where they go to pepper spray Superhans at his flat (I think).

I agree with Jockice, for the record. I don't see it as a turning point in the show but it's a misstep in an episode that I really like.
Title: Re: That dog eating scene in Peep Show
Post by: ASFTSN on June 10, 2021, 09:03:58 AM
What was the other time? Can't remember that at all.

First series I think, referenced but not shown, via Mark's internal monologue, something like:

Mark: (thinks) I've sent a threatening letter to the woman I love, I've kicked a dog to death...

Jeremy: It's a good thing you had those boots on.
Title: Re: That dog eating scene in Peep Show
Post by: mr. logic on June 10, 2021, 09:07:45 AM
Yeah - sometimes it's entertaining (and cringingly tense) for the audience to spot ways that the failing protagonist could resolve everything and save themselves. It happens throughout Peep Show (think of Jez's expression as Mark needlessly sings 'I like you' to Sophie's answerphone - in that moment he is us).

But in this scene, Jez cornering himself into eating the dog is too contrived. There are just so many easy ways to dispose of it that it becomes distracting, rather than successfully tense. There's a bin, there's a hedge, there's a forest, there's a canal - and still he carries the bag all morning! I can imagine it working in a wackier show with more cartoonish rules - perhaps for Andy in Parks and Rec - but Peep Show had established a sort of psychological grounding.

I mean, just for the sake of argument...if he scrambles the dog into the bag just as she gets back to the car (can't quite remember how it happens), then he is committed to having the bag when she's with him. Otherwise she would ask him what happened to his bag.

Might be bollocks.
Title: Re: That dog eating scene in Peep Show
Post by: Barry Admin on June 10, 2021, 09:08:09 AM
Thanks, paruses and ASFTSN.  That's actually really interesting, given my argument is that the episode is not congruent with the reality that's been established by Peep Show in general.

Although it sounds like most of it was left to the imagination there, and didn't escalate to the point where nerds like me were thinking, "ahhhh, this is fucking dumb."

Edit for autocorrect phone fuckery.
Title: Re: That dog eating scene in Peep Show
Post by: Thomas on June 10, 2021, 09:15:29 AM
Mark kicking a dog to death in Series 1 is a standout moment of tonal darkness not really revisited for the rest of the show's run, or in Mark's character. I pin it on his burgeoning breakdown.

I mean, just for the sake of argument...if he scrambles the dog into the bag just as she gets back to the car (can't quite remember how it happens), then he is committed to having the bag when she's with him. Otherwise she would ask him what happened to his bag.

Might be bollocks.

mr. logic weedling out the logic. I'm sure Jez's situation must've made better sense on paper - it just falters in the 3D world, where numerous onscreen opportunities present themselves.
Title: Re: That dog eating scene in Peep Show
Post by: ASFTSN on June 10, 2021, 09:16:07 AM
Thanks, paruses and ASFTSN.  That's actually really interesting, given my argument is that the episode is not congruent with the reality that's been established by Peep Show in general.

I have a VERY half-baked idea that I've been too lazy to ever do anything with, but I've always thought it would be interesting to look at how absurd/improbable/unreal/desperate the plots and situations the lads find themselves in the get in are relative to the physical distance they take place from their safe place, "the flat".

It does seem like when they go into a different county they find themselves eating dog/burning a barn/sucking mummy's finger. Most of the stuff that happens more local to then is often horrible but believable.

Probably nothing in it, but I'd love to actually properly look into it one day.
Title: Re: That dog eating scene in Peep Show
Post by: MoreauVasz on June 10, 2021, 09:16:10 AM
Thanks! That's actually really interesting, given my argument is that the episode is not congruent with the reality set up by Peep Show in general.

I have similar feelings but it's actually about the much earlier episode in which Mark makes a reference to having kicked a dog to death. The event is never shown on screen and the only repercussions are Jeremy being thankful that Mark was wearing boots and Mark going into therapy immediately afterwards but it has always struck me as a weird ontological blemish on the reality of the show.

It would be like Jerry in Seinfeld making a casual reference to Kramer having spent a decade in jail for sexual battery.
Title: Re: That dog eating scene in Peep Show
Post by: Jerzy Bondov on June 10, 2021, 09:18:40 AM
Maybe he's exaggerating when he 'says' he kicked the dog to death. Maybe it was only maimed :-)
Title: Re: That dog eating scene in Peep Show
Post by: MoreauVasz on June 10, 2021, 09:28:05 AM
Maybe he's exaggerating when he 'says' he kicked the dog to death. Maybe it was only maimed :-)

That's what I assume, but it bothers me more than Jeremy eating a dog as I can imagine Jeremy doing that out of awkwardness in order to cover up his own lies whereas Mark kicking a dog to death speaks to a level of savage cruelty that I find very hard to reconcile with everything else we know about the character.
Title: Re: That dog eating scene in Peep Show
Post by: Thomas on June 10, 2021, 09:37:46 AM
Mark kicking a dog to death speaks to a level of savage cruelty that I find very hard to reconcile with everything else we know about the character.

Whenever I watched that episode, I do wonder if Bain and Armstrong would've included such an act in later series, once they'd spent more time with Mark's character. Being only five episodes in, they might've felt freer to assign darker moments to the characters for the sake of a joke.

I do, however, think that Mark definitely would piss in Barbara's drawer, stakeout Sophie's garden, and pepper-spray Jez.
Title: Re: That dog eating scene in Peep Show
Post by: Beagle 2 on June 10, 2021, 09:40:45 AM
I've always liked it and I love that episode, but at the same time I can totally see how it might jolt you out of the reality of the show and everything that had been built up to that point. I enjoyed it as a standalone piece of silliness and I liked that they fully committed to the plotline's natural ridiculous conclusion.

Doesn't Jeremy even make some sort of comment in the closing frames which sounds almost like a acknowledgment/apology from the writers?
Title: Re: That dog eating scene in Peep Show
Post by: ASFTSN on June 10, 2021, 09:41:52 AM
That's what I assume, but it bothers me more than Jeremy eating a dog as I can imagine Jeremy doing that out of awkwardness in order to cover up his own lies whereas Mark kicking a dog to death speaks to a level of savage cruelty that I find very hard to reconcile with everything else we know about the character.

I think it works because it's entirely through Mark's minds-eye and his tendency for anxious hyperbole. This is the same bloke who thinks the "real world" is one where cocks get chewed off and compliance reports get shoved up arses.
Title: Re: That dog eating scene in Peep Show
Post by: sevendaughters on June 10, 2021, 09:43:39 AM
The dog-eating scene is bad and I particularly dislike the way they attempted to fix its unreality by having Jez comment on the act to close out the episode. Felt very nudge-nudge meta.

However, s4 is rounded out by one of the best episodes in Mark's horrible wedding, which has not just great writing and jokes, but even has a lovely bit of filmmaking (beginning and ending with Mark dolefully looking into the mirror at the only person he thinks really understands him).

With this in mind you can write off the stag episode as mid-series blues for a show that has done a lot with little and made a virtue out of visual restriction.

However it is undeniable that Peep Show dives fully, stark-bollock naked, off a motorway bridge, caked in filth, and starts dancing in traffic and begging to be put out of its misery.

For me that happens in series 5 with the episode where Mark is raped. It's a dark episode outside of this moment and feels terribly broken. There'd been a horrible moment very early in the series with the Burgling episode, but this seemed to ramp everything up to a bizarre nihilistic pitch where laughing felt secondary to debating whether this was actually rape like some shitty Sunday morning BBC1 'talk show'.

It visually mirrors and recalls the episode in series 1 where Mark manages to actually have consensual (but bad) sex with a goth, which seems to make a 'realistic' climax after a bunch of slightly liberating and positive encounters in mundane situations. There was light and shade, but by S5 that light had all but gone out of it with the Australians coming between the burglary and the rape.
Title: Re: That dog eating scene in Peep Show
Post by: paruses on June 10, 2021, 10:28:34 AM
That's what I assume, but it bothers me more than Jeremy eating a dog as I can imagine Jeremy doing that out of awkwardness in order to cover up his own lies whereas Mark kicking a dog to death speaks to a level of savage cruelty that I find very hard to reconcile with everything else we know about the character.

I'd never considered he was being hyperbolic but that's more likely. I always really liked that that bit for the shock value and the nice reinforcement of it from Jez. The fact that you see the dog barking up at them when they're climbing the wall and Mark's quite selfish horror at how his evening has panned out seems very believable to me - much more than taking the hind quarter of a half cremated dog out of a bag and chowing down on it - it's not like it's been skinned and cooked in a bbq pit for hours.

I've never really had an issue with that bit until typing that out.
Title: Re: That dog eating scene in Peep Show
Post by: Leej88 on June 10, 2021, 12:29:09 PM
Jez and Mark are horrible in series 4 anyone who finds out Mark does not love Sophie gets dealt with in horrible fashion.
Title: Re: That dog eating scene in Peep Show
Post by: jobotic on June 10, 2021, 12:34:32 PM
Not familiar enough with Peep Show (I've seen it all must mostly ages ago) to remember a kicking a dog to death line, but couldn't it have been in self-defence, or perhaps the dog was attacking someone else? Might not have been for a laugh.
Title: Re: That dog eating scene in Peep Show
Post by: Jerzy Bondov on June 10, 2021, 12:35:41 PM
Mark's climbing over a fence and it starts woofing at him iirc
Title: Re: That dog eating scene in Peep Show
Post by: evilcommiedictator on June 10, 2021, 12:45:58 PM
Same with the touching from the masseur in the gym, it just breaks veneer of believe-ability too much, would Mark really dob in someone for sexual assault like that?
Similar thing with Jez and Hans abducting the Prof in the last season, but at that point........
Title: Re: That dog eating scene in Peep Show
Post by: dr beat on June 10, 2021, 12:47:57 PM
I have a VERY half-baked idea that I've been too lazy to ever do anything with, but I've always thought it would be interesting to look at how absurd/improbable/unreal/desperate the plots and situations the lads find themselves in the get in are relative to the physical distance they take place from their safe place, "the flat".

It does seem like when they go into a different county they find themselves eating dog/burning a barn/sucking mummy's finger. Most of the stuff that happens more local to then is often horrible but believable.

Probably nothing in it, but I'd love to actually properly look into it one day.

I think there might be something in that.  Off the top of my head, there's perhaps stuff like Jez and Super Hands threatening Gog, Mark pretending to be a student, Mark going crazy in Kettering.  Perhaps also the Sectioning episode in S3?
Title: Re: That dog eating scene in Peep Show
Post by: Leej88 on June 10, 2021, 12:55:28 PM
The sectioning episode is hilarious especially Super Hans reaction to nearly being sectioned.
Title: Re: That dog eating scene in Peep Show
Post by: mippy on June 10, 2021, 01:19:52 PM
It does feel like it comes from a different show entirely.
Title: Re: That dog eating scene in Peep Show
Post by: imitationleather on June 10, 2021, 01:20:17 PM
Imagine being so insecure that you gatekeep sitcoms. I'm sure your IQ is well above average mate, don't worry.

I love it when people respond to things being criticised like this.
Title: Re: That dog eating scene in Peep Show
Post by: thenoise on June 10, 2021, 03:51:23 PM
It's actually quite a good episode, apart from the climax, which ruins everything that came before it when you realise that that was what it was all leading up to.

Dog eating aside S4 is one of the better ones overall.
Title: Re: That dog eating scene in Peep Show
Post by: Leej88 on June 10, 2021, 03:52:43 PM
That Hippie has sold me down the river.
Title: Re: That dog eating scene in Peep Show
Post by: Scrapey Fish on June 10, 2021, 05:25:09 PM
I can imagine Mark kicking a dog to death if it was making a lunge at him and he (rightly or wrongly) believed his own life was at risk, plus was not in a healthy mental state to begin with
Title: Re: That dog eating scene in Peep Show
Post by: Leej88 on June 10, 2021, 05:27:16 PM
So god I will section you
Title: Re: That dog eating scene in Peep Show
Post by: Barry Admin on June 10, 2021, 05:44:20 PM
Mark: (thinks) I've sent a threatening letter to the woman I love, I've kicked a dog to death...

Jeremy: It's a good thing you had those boots on.

This is a fucking brilliant line, btw. It only just properly clicked with me hours later.

I was just thinking about how Mark's line left so much to the imagination, in terms of how, why and where it happened, then I had the mental image of him trying to kick a dog to death with soft shoes.
Title: Re: That dog eating scene in Peep Show
Post by: zomgmouse on June 11, 2021, 02:24:28 AM
I think it's funny he ate a dog
Title: Re: That dog eating scene in Peep Show
Post by: good times on June 11, 2021, 09:27:54 AM
This is a fucking brilliant line, btw. It only just properly clicked with me hours later.

I was just thinking about how Mark's line left so much to the imagination, in terms of how, why and where it happened, then I had the mental image of him trying to kick a dog to death with soft shoes.

The jovial way Jez delivers the line is what makes it I think, that - and how easy it is to miss and connect to what Mark has just said.
Title: Re: That dog eating scene in Peep Show
Post by: Psybro on June 14, 2021, 01:06:55 PM
For me that happens in series 5 with the episode where Mark is raped. It's a dark episode outside of this moment and feels terribly broken.

Yeah just as bad for me was how beastly Jez is to his mum in that episode, like Simon from the Inbetweeners but it doesn't seem to fit Jez's usual methods of being a shitty person.

 I showed my wife the stag episode with a heavy disclaimer but she found the delivery of "I don't want any turkey Jeremy, I'm FULL" and the owner's hysterical reaction the funniest things in the series to that point. It pushes the absurdity a notch above what's gone before and it seems highly subjective whether you go with it or not.

I personally found the scene in S2 where Jez walks in on Mark self-harming and the aforementioned plot to get the gym trainer sacked more tonally jarring.
Title: Re: That dog eating scene in Peep Show
Post by: Leej88 on June 14, 2021, 01:19:54 PM
Jez and Mark are awful in that episode at the Gym, They deserve the ass-kicking at the end.
Title: Re: That dog eating scene in Peep Show
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on June 14, 2021, 02:05:29 PM
I actually watched this very scene yesterday, while trying to distract myself from doing any work I clicked on a link called 'Mark and Jeremy's most embarrassing moments' or suchlike. For me the whole thing doesn't work not because it's horrible but because all Jeremy had to do before getting on the barge with it was claim that the bag was full of rubbish and put it into a bin. No further questions would have been asked. I know comedy often stretches the bounds of normality, but I think even Trigger or Frank Spencer would have done that.

Or even just throw it in the canal they’re standing next to so no-one can check. Or just leave the dog next to the failed grave-hole from earlier (or literally anywhere). It’s not CSI, you’ll get away with it.

Makes no sense to carry around the evidence, and then claim it is a bin bag full of barbecue (?!) when questioned.

I still enjoy all of peep show (yes, even the later seasons) because the gags are so sharp and well observed (even within the dead dog fire episode), but that storyline is a bit of a clunker.
Title: Re: That dog eating scene in Peep Show
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on June 14, 2021, 02:14:41 PM
Re: “kicking a dog to death”, I always assumed it was hyperbole and actually he just kicked it once when it was attacking him, but hard enough to end the encounter. Mark is too cowardly to actually seek out a large angry animal and finish it off.
Title: Re: That dog eating scene in Peep Show
Post by: pancreas on June 14, 2021, 02:24:14 PM
I think it's funny he ate a dog

I agree with this.
Title: Re: That dog eating scene in Peep Show
Post by: ASFTSN on June 14, 2021, 02:25:55 PM
Yeah just as bad for me was how beastly Jez is to his mum in that episode, like Simon from the Inbetweeners but it doesn't seem to fit Jez's usual methods of being a shitty person.


I cracked up at "Mum-my, cof-fee, fucky hurry up-ee" though.
Title: Re: That dog eating scene in Peep Show
Post by: Leej88 on June 14, 2021, 02:33:14 PM
Jez is a narcissist so it fits that he would be awful to his Mum, Maybe his Dad was the same.
Title: Re: That dog eating scene in Peep Show
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on June 14, 2021, 04:05:05 PM
I cracked up at "Mum-my, cof-fee, fucky hurry up-ee" though.

This pops into my head all the time.
Title: Re: That dog eating scene in Peep Show
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 14, 2021, 04:23:26 PM
The "We like Taggart... Even the new ones" from Mark as a refutation stuck with me.
Title: Re: That dog eating scene in Peep Show
Post by: Antiseptic Poetry on June 14, 2021, 04:59:20 PM
As a former dog owner, I hated that episode and have never re-watched it. Killing and eating someone's beloved pet goes beyond shock humour - it just isn't funny to me. Also as others have said, it made no sense - clearly, they came up with the 'dog eating' concept first then wrote backwards from there.

Weirdly, it's my brother's favourite episode. He's a broad comedy fan whose favourite show is Little Britain, so maybe it worked with that audience.
Title: Re: That dog eating scene in Peep Show
Post by: jfjnpxmy on June 14, 2021, 06:24:01 PM
It always annoyed me that the judo class at the end of "Gym" had everyone talking about punching, kicking and chopping.
Title: Re: That dog eating scene in Peep Show
Post by: thenoise on June 14, 2021, 09:33:20 PM
As a former dog owner, I hated that episode and have never re-watched it. Killing and eating someone's beloved pet goes beyond shock humour - it just isn't funny to me. Also as others have said, it made no sense - clearly, they came up with the 'dog eating' concept first then wrote backwards from there.

Or attempted to, couldn't quite make it work, then settled on pointing out it doesn't work within the episodes and hoping the performances sell it.
Title: Re: That dog eating scene in Peep Show
Post by: Angrew Lloyg Wegger on June 14, 2021, 09:46:10 PM
I do think it's pretty jarring for the episode and not really funny enough to justify it, rest of the episode isn't that bad though. However, whenever this discussion comes up on here someone always asks why they didn't throw the dog into the canal, even though the answer is obviously because it would float.
Title: Re: That dog eating scene in Peep Show
Post by: Leej88 on June 14, 2021, 09:50:42 PM
I did not find it funny Jez and Mark were awful in series 4.
Title: Re: That dog eating scene in Peep Show
Post by: Noodle Lizard on June 14, 2021, 09:59:17 PM
I’ve never seen it as quite so much of a shark-jump as others have, in part because I think the final exchange between Mark and Jeremy acknowledges the ridiculousness of it in an almost meta fashion[1]. “I don’t know - in the moment, it really did feel like I needed to eat it.” That line might as well have been replaced by a shot of Armstrong/Bain shrugging at the audience.

Series 4 definitely marked a noticeable decrease in quality, and I learned it was a considerably more rushed and hectic production than the first three, but the really iffy moments came a bit later on. I still can’t watch the episode where Gerard dies, it’s fucking terrible. I maintain that the Series 4 finale would’ve been a perfect place to bow out, all things considered, but the latter half of the run had it’s good moments too.
 1. EDIT: I just saw that sevendaughters had mentioned this as their reason to dislike it all the more - to each their own!
Title: Re: That dog eating scene in Peep Show
Post by: Leej88 on June 14, 2021, 10:01:37 PM
The one with Sophie's parents and when they go to Kettering it has some funny lines.
Title: Re: That dog eating scene in Peep Show
Post by: Psybro on June 14, 2021, 10:19:54 PM
I still can’t watch the episode where Gerard dies, it’s fucking terrible.

Even that has the bit with Mark torturing Jez into confession via Indian takeaway, which had me rolling.
Title: Re: That dog eating scene in Peep Show
Post by: Noodle Lizard on June 14, 2021, 10:23:09 PM
Even that has the bit with Mark torturing Jez into confession via Indian takeaway, which had me rolling.

Is that the same episode? Fair enough.

Funnily, I rewatched the first series of Fresh Meat not long ago and there’s a scene where Jack Whitehall coerces Robert Webb’s professor character into helping him cheat an exam via an Indian takeaway. Both episodes must’ve been filmed within the same year or so, now I think of it.
Title: Re: That dog eating scene in Peep Show
Post by: pigamus on June 14, 2021, 10:31:40 PM
Even that has the bit with Mark torturing Jez into confession via Indian takeaway, which had me rolling.

Johnson’s eulogy is much worse than the dead dog imo
Title: Re: That dog eating scene in Peep Show
Post by: Leej88 on June 14, 2021, 10:37:12 PM
Jez:JOHNSON
Johnson:JEREMY
Title: Re: That dog eating scene in Peep Show
Post by: Noodle Lizard on June 14, 2021, 11:01:58 PM
Johnson’s eulogy is much worse than the dead dog imo

QFE. So was Mark’s, for that matter. It makes no sense that someone as neurotic and self-conscious as that wouldn’t spare the extra 30 seconds to make a good impression, even to his own detriment. Very cheap comedy, there, existing in a world absolutely nobody lives in. You could make an argument that the dog-eating happened in extraordinary circumstances (however convoluted), but this was just pure lazy writing.
Title: Re: That dog eating scene in Peep Show
Post by: paruses on June 14, 2021, 11:42:05 PM
I meant to ask a page ago - what's that about Mark getting raped? I don't recall anything like that (or is this a simple lampoon?)
Title: Re: That dog eating scene in Peep Show
Post by: JamesTC on June 14, 2021, 11:47:39 PM
I meant to ask a page ago - what's that about Mark getting raped? I don't recall anything like that (or is this a simple lampoon?)

Nope. He gets raped. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtxK7wNUBPk)
Title: Re: That dog eating scene in Peep Show
Post by: Replies From View on June 15, 2021, 01:30:39 PM
I always hated the scene.  Definitely broke the show’s reality.  There wasn’t a natural progression to that scene where you felt the characters had no other option but to eat the dog, and that’s what is needed if you’re going to do a scene like that.  You need to be with these characters on their journey and agree with them whenever they’re backed into such a corner that their options are diminishing small and they do something stupid.
Title: Re: That dog eating scene in Peep Show
Post by: Replies From View on June 15, 2021, 05:32:36 PM
I can imagine Mark kicking a dog to death if it was making a lunge at him and he (rightly or wrongly) believed his own life was at risk, plus was not in a healthy mental state to begin with

He might kick a dog in a state of panic - but kick it to death?  It would require more effort than would be necessary in self-defence.
Title: Re: That dog eating scene in Peep Show
Post by: Barry Admin on June 15, 2021, 05:41:28 PM
I think a single kick to the liver or kidneys is meant to be enough to kill a dog. Fuck knows where I read that. I like the line because, as I said before, it does leave a lot to the imagination, and Jez could well be framing it in a very uncharitable way for a laugh, or to irk Mark.



Fascinating poll result! 36 for, 29 against, currently. Balanced out quickly and quite surprisingly after "dreadful" took an early lead.

Jez eating a dog is more popular on here than I realised.
Title: Re: That dog eating scene in Peep Show
Post by: MoreauVasz on June 15, 2021, 05:50:54 PM
He might kick a dog in a state of panic - but kick it to death?  It would require more effort than would be necessary in self-defence.

Yeah... That's what does it for me. I can imagine him kicking a dog in self-defence,  maybe kicking it again if it came back but kicking it to death suggests kicking it to the point where it stops trying to bite him and then continuing to kick it until after it stopped moving. That requires a degree of sadism and brutality.
Title: Re: That dog eating scene in Peep Show
Post by: petrilTanaka on June 15, 2021, 08:19:50 PM
Yeah... That's what does it for me. I can imagine him kicking a dog in self-defence,  maybe kicking it again if it came back but kicking it to death suggests kicking it to the point where it stops trying to bite him and then continuing to kick it until after it stopped moving. That requires a degree of sadism and brutality.

first couple of kicks stop the attack but it's lying there injured, making noise. I could see Jez winding him up to finish the job

but that's worse, letting a knobhead talk him into sadism and brutality
Title: Re: That dog eating scene in Peep Show
Post by: pigamus on June 15, 2021, 08:28:28 PM
I think a single kick to the liver or kidneys is meant to be enough to kill a dog.

Can’t beat these Northern Ireland chat-up lines
Title: Re: That dog eating scene in Peep Show
Post by: thenoise on June 15, 2021, 11:18:34 PM
I assume that Mark gave doggy a good hard kick and doggy ran away. The dog's later death from its injuries is just Mark's paranoia/self -loathing speaking.
Title: Re: That dog eating scene in Peep Show
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on June 15, 2021, 11:21:04 PM
I assume that Mark gave doggy a good hard kick and doggy ran away. The dog's later death from its injuries is just Mark's paranoia/self -loathing speaking.

Yeah and me.