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Quote from: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 11, 2021, 04:28:47 PMStereolab ended up recording some subtly anti-marxist libertarian songs
Quote from: chveik on June 11, 2021, 04:53:34 PMi never really pay attention to lyrics, can you give some examples?
Quote from: Kankurette on June 11, 2021, 04:10:12 PMOasis at least wrote some songs that were fun to dance to, or catchy, or even moving (yes, I am going to get sneered at but I can't help my reaction to music, you know?) Mumford & Sons don't even have that going for them. They could only dream of writing something like The Masterplan or Cast No Shadow.
Quote from: Lemming on June 11, 2021, 04:17:29 PMI can't imagine having much of a reaction beyond bemused laughter to anything the Gallaghers do or say. Noel does come across as somewhat more of a cunt than Liam, who is either genuinely a complete fucking idiot or has perfected the persona of such. Both of them are funny in small doses as ridiculous caricatures, a pair of fuckwits who have essentially been reduced to court jesters due to the fact that they now exist in a world in which they're simultaneously behind the times and no longer really relevant, and yet still firmly embedded in popular culture. Liam seems to be at least somewhat aware of this, which renders him occasionally likeable.As for the eternal "is Oasis shit" discussion, Definitely Maybe is a great album, especially the big deluxe edition that has Cloudburst and all that on it. Columbia and Supersonic are great, and then there's a lot of good songs holding the rest of it together, ie Shakermaker, Cigarettes and Alcohol, what-have-you. I even love Liam's vocals. A lot of the hate for the music feels like a semi-performative reaction to the Gallaghers and the cultural impact of Oasis, rather than to the music itself. I can see why people fucking hate (What's The Story) Morning Glory though.
Quote from: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 11, 2021, 04:28:47 PMI don't really buy that Oasis were more of a culturally conservative proposition than other bands who were desperately trying to make crossover guitar pop a thing before them. "Noel Rock" definitely was, but that's a different issue. Stereolab ended up recording some subtly anti-marxist libertarian songsLuke Haines might have been a lefty early on but he transformed into a full reactionary over a decade.There is very dodgy stuff on the Denim record ("fake make up boys", "we hate the IRA", "i hate funk and I hate soul") Gedge might be a nice man with good opinions but his thing was bringing the sexual/gender ambiguity of stuff like the Smiths or lofi back into traditional boy meets girl story songs. Despite the aesthetic, MSP were/are bothsideism: the band. Radiohead dedicated a record to Bill Hicks. New Order were called New Order.Loads of throwback bands like the La's were uncomfortably nationalistic in their ideas of what good music should be about.Blur were rich boys sneering at paups. One them sells McDonalds in the Sun now. Suede immediately dove into 70s revivalism and all its unpleasantness.I could go on.The same guy who posted the Oasis rant has a similar one about the Stone Roses. How many other hit albums have a song about May 1968 on them? Oasis' "is it worth the aggreviation/to find yourself a job when nothing is work working for?" still stands apart as a cutting statement of disaffection even if neither of them really meant (or just lucked into such a good line)
Quote from: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 11, 2021, 07:00:27 PMThe Las are the pinacle of a certain kind of purism in UK pop culture that looks at some feted moment and tries to make a version of it that is just the British parts. I hear a little bit of Bob Dylan in their music but other than that they sound like a certain kind of 60s pop with all its American and ye-ye influences removed. I think "Timeless Melody" is their best song and if someone asked me to describe it I'd say it was like the Zombies minus any kind of soul/r&b groove but with an indie guitar hook instead. I don't think its stretching to drawn a line between that and nationalism. I'm not saying they were sitting around going "let's sound as English as possible!" exactly.
Quote from: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 11, 2021, 06:33:46 PMDef don't like what Lawrence sings in that song.
QuoteThe ladmags, Chris Evans' grotesque genuflection, that NW1 posh-boy joy about having some 'characterful' Northerners to goggle at, all that coked-up reactionary twattery, all conducted in an era in which female artists and black artists were being marginalised by the UK music press and UK pop telly.
Quote from: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 11, 2021, 04:28:47 PMNew Order were called New Order.
Quote from: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 11, 2021, 09:21:29 PMI can point out a band had conservative elements or aesthetics without saying they were secret nazis! New Order dabbled with far right aesthetics very early in their career. That's it.
Quote from: buzby on June 11, 2021, 09:32:24 PMName one.
Quote from: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 11, 2021, 09:39:41 PMEven Peel said he felt uncomfortable playing their records because of their name and their imagery early on.
Quote from: OnlyRegisteredSoICanRead on June 11, 2021, 09:46:14 PMSome of the fan club badges, err..
Quote from: PaulTMA on June 11, 2021, 08:51:45 PM"We hate the IRA" is in the context of the sentiment in Birmingham after the bombing, the entire point of 'Middle Of The Road' is the narrator denouncing all 'classic' music irrespective of race - Spector, Dylan, "licks", "guitar riffs" etc and the "fake makeup boys", well he hated Duran Duran? Would have to get up pretty early to be offended by any of that
Quote from: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 11, 2021, 10:24:46 PMThe etymology, meaning or real reason for something doesn't really have any bearing on what its political effect or connotation is.
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