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Sick of Spotify or music?

Started by Johnny Textface, December 21, 2021, 11:30:25 PM

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phes

The defaults (on mine) are currently that albums play straight through and don't display the shuffle sign on the green button. Playlists default to shuffle and do display the shuffle symbol on the green button. There was a shuffle toggle (crossed arrows) that popped up when you enlarge the playing now bar at the bottom of the screen on the mobile app, but I can't seem to find that now

Edit: the shuffle toggle displays on albums on the playing now enlarged bar, it does not display on playlist's playing now bar and to reverse the shuffle default you select track one

sutin

Quote from: Captain Z on December 30, 2021, 01:00:21 PMSo we're all just going to use the word scrobble now are we.

Scrobbling/Last.FM was at the peak of it's popularity almost 15 years ago.

Johnny Textface

Quote from: phes on January 01, 2022, 05:31:22 PMThe defaults (on mine) are currently that albums play straight through and don't display the shuffle sign on the green button. Playlists default to shuffle and do display the shuffle symbol on the green button. There was a shuffle toggle (crossed arrows) that popped up when you enlarge the playing now bar at the bottom of the screen on the mobile app, but I can't seem to find that now

Edit: the shuffle toggle displays on albums on the playing now enlarged bar, it does not display on playlist's playing now bar and to reverse the shuffle default you select track one

Please never report bugs

the Fallen

I do not use algorithms. I have a brain, and taste, thanks.

Spotify is just there. I think of music I want to listen to

Lately, say The Modern Lovers album

Bop it on Spotify, and away I go

The Spotify UI experience lasts about four seconds.

If you're perusing it, you're doing it wrong. Treat it like a library, not like your music god.

Be your own selecta

kngen

I see the bug (if indeed it is a bug) where Spotify allows you to listen to one song off your carefully curated playlist before bargingin and choosing something for you has returned. This time I was listening to my Black Metal playlist and, before I knew it, a fucking Drudkh* track had come on. FFS, is every algorithm in the world now just designed to shove you in the direction of dodgy crypto-fascist/alt-right nonsense, whether it be sump-tank repair videos on Youtube or a bit of bloody music while you're cleaning the kitchen?

Now fully expecting to have Disney Plus suggest 'Nazi Supermen Are Our Superiors' because I watched Encanto with the wee one last night.

* For those unfamiliar, Drudkh are an 'Ooh, are we? Aren't we?' crypto-fascist BM band featuring members of overtly fascist National Socialist Black Metal arseholes Hate Forest.

willbo

i think it's just that algorithms push popular things and a lot of people on various platforms are pushing to make that kind of stuff popular. I do think there could be some people working for spotify/youtube who are involved tho.

The Mollusk

Quote from: the Fallen on January 07, 2022, 08:54:27 AMI do not use algorithms. I have a brain, and taste, thanks.

Spotify is just there. I think of music I want to listen to

Lately, say The Modern Lovers album

Bop it on Spotify, and away I go

The Spotify UI experience lasts about four seconds.

If you're perusing it, you're doing it wrong. Treat it like a library, not like your music god.

Be your own selecta

FYI: You're using an algorithm right now! I'm scanning your post and formulating a tailor-made reply just for you. :)

Here is the post:

HAVE YOU EVER LISTENED TO THE VEVLET UNDERGROUMD

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the Fallen

Quote from: The Mollusk on January 08, 2022, 07:33:36 AMFYI: You're using an algorithm right now! I'm scanning your post and formulating a tailor-made reply just for you. :)

Here is the post:

HAVE YOU EVER LISTENED TO THE VEVLET UNDERGROUMD

Was this post helpful? Y/N

When I have deemed them WORTHY

The Intro to Sweet Jane is quite good

I also like the lyric "better than a dog or car" (not from Sweet Jane)

Johnny Yesno

Quote from: The Mollusk on January 08, 2022, 07:33:36 AMWas this post helpful? Y/N

Somewhat helpful, thanks, but I thought you said it was tailor-made for the Fallen.

Johnny Textface

Quote from: the Fallen on January 07, 2022, 08:54:27 AMI do not use algorithms. I have a brain, and taste, thanks.

Spotify is just there. I think of music I want to listen to

Lately, say The Modern Lovers album

Bop it on Spotify, and away I go

The Spotify UI experience lasts about four seconds.

If you're perusing it, you're doing it wrong. Treat it like a library, not like your music god.

Be your own selecta

It used to be really good for introducing me to songs and artists I'd never heard before. How do you find new music then?

the Fallen

#40
Quote from: Johnny Textface on January 09, 2022, 12:23:24 AMIt used to be really good for introducing me to songs and artists I'd never heard before. How do you find new music then?

I don't know. During the week I use Radiogarden for stuff I haven't consciously picked out. It gets mentally exhausting to listen to a ton of music you've curated yourself, and though this is a new need I've noted in pandemic times, the diagetic has less room to get in. That's a real shame - I miss the days / don't we all when you could pick up music in your day. Outside, imagine that

-removed section I found was too personal. I do my own stuff and mixing. I'm proud of it. Not really in a position to talk about it. Maybe when it's out. Doesn't matter, I am not selling anything.

I sort of comb through eras. That's how I sort it. That's how I comb through it all. It's not very methodical, it sometimes hopscotches from Janis Joplin to Pink Martini.

There's certain, I don't know if it's moods or genres, or the colours they reach for me, but I've never gotten the same kind of itches scratched through YouTube or Spotify than I can digging through the crates.

Probably the best thing for me in recent years is just using stuff like SoundHound and spotting stuff. You just hear things differently when they catch you off guard

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dCokDZ4aAKs

So that's what I do rather than use algorithms. I'm not saying they have no part, I'm just not having to replace something.

Which I suppose it would be a thing for me to lose. I dunno, I've been putting bootlegs up on YouTube for years mate, music is where you find it.

I've occasionally been freaked out by algorithms. Mostly the novelty has been offset by the sort of, flatness, but you learn to live in music, there's nothing else, it's there throughout and underpinning everything and I'm not even tired of it, though

I dunno. You can learn it, you know?

Learn to listen to stuff. Pick things out. Develop a taste. I'm not getting at anyone for that level. Far from it. The best of all.

You'd be surprised at what doesn't make the cut. Most of it, really. When it comes to sustenance. For me these days, CAN a lot. It sounds depressing to be tied to unpredictable lurchings from certain sound periods of certain artists, but you have moods / etudes / phases, you know? Like seasons.

It rolls itself over a couple times a year. I'm still figuring this out about myself, you understand. The more I hear about how others live, the more I just imagine the most perfect day I'll ever have is one where the soundtrack has to be exactly as emotionally fitting and changeable as the weather, or the way the wind blows

..... Which gives what remains a spiritual quality.

I'd be joyous if the dirty algorithm tossed up a thing I'd made, but I'd far, far, far sooner trade that for anything a bit more tangible, because, being totally selfish here, I don't really think I'll bother to remember much about the digital days when I wasn't switched on.

I wouldn't say I listen to all of it. Not the radio stuff. It's exhausting.

I spend enough time flushing crap out of my ears without needing to complicate things. I mean, I don't know. I think I'm weak in all sorts of ways if you'd go so far as analysing my life as a listener profile, but I don't even care as much as the corporations might and truth told I don't care, it's not going to be as good.

It just can't compete. It's have to get to some sort of emotional level. It'd have to be really remarkable music.

I mean you all know autotune is trash right. You've heard jazz. Actual jazz. I've sometimes directed an algorithm to play based on, for me, moods, but there's specific tangible colours to a lot of music and I sort of lurch from one artist to the next. It's more of a texture thing, not really arranged by anything else. Even my decades thing is sort of, loose, I don't actually give a fuck except here I am explaining the sum total of my actual being as a living, breathing, valuable person who has lived and experienced music and my own relationships to it as well as those of other people and it's not really realistic to do anything other than supplement that. I'm not spending my time listening to Luther Vandross, you know?

My girlfriend still uses CDs, they're still about. There's a lot of inherited tastes. You live in your circles, you know, you endlessly discuss discographies, you fall in love with some things, I really loved that reboot of High Fidelity you know, loved it musically. God knows you can't look for shows or film to just mine the depths of what everyone has heard before. There's something to be said for taste. I'd go so far to suggest, sirs, entire styles of musics were envisioned, carried out and buried through boring old human traditions like people talking about good shit, you know.

My honest best advice is you, find out, personally, that song that shakes you to your knees at whatever thirty odd age you were ten years ago (I don't know how old you are, I'm trying to make this something other than a cry for standards) - find it, that thing, that sound that moves you, and let it fill you, ladies - finally, something may move through you which has the dignity not to announce its arrival but the magnificence of making it felt.

I mean,

Pro-algorithm arguments

- we've all got busy lives, right, plus who can fit so much post-rock into their personal landscapes?
- The algorithm conducts the sum totality of your response.
- What, you get tired of exploring music some days? Does it all get too much for you? Don't worry, honey, we have some music for that, too
- I've probably not killed enough of my braincells yet.
- come on dawg you play us like we so cold, but that's because you don't sound anything like me and I know where to look when I want to be spoken to musically. You just dragging this out to uncomfortable levels dawg though if I phrased the entirety of the above with "I just prefer digging through the crates", I'd probably end the post there
-I guess some artists are sufficiently fucked up for that random aspect to be a turn on? Spotify can you generate me an algorithm for that? Stop recommending Nick Cave, I'll never care?

... Boy, the algorithm's really feeling me today, isn't it?

Sorry. You asked a genuine question somewhere in there and I answered it like a car crash. I know roughly what my next three songs will be. I'm trying to get better, I swear. I wasn't in a home or anything. I'm northern

Hopefully, also like a car crash, you'll pick out the remnants of what is salvageable and carry on.

I suppose the algorithm knows when to stop

the Fallen

#41
An algorithm for clothes

Some of you degenerates would even sign up to that wouldn't you? Like oh the algorithm coughed up some clean socks and undies. I'll slap down my tenner a month. (Talking myself out of an amazing business idea here....)

An algorithm for food. I've tried some of those, those recipe boxes. Like what's the fucking point unless you've given up on yourself. And even then. You'd have to despise yourself, and you should, those cartons of obvious bullshit you can't pick out yourself because (you probably blame the imagined failings of some poor dead woman here)

"Am I sick of randomised fucking computer generated ideas that use demographics to make haphazard guesses at what I should feel like eating today? Or am I out of love with food itself"
 Please. You have barely scraped the best ever recipes. We are talking about culture here. How you relate to that is also culture. Palettes can expand ever outwards and only ever grow to serve the original flavours in their essence which awakened you to them. Maybe you need to fast. I do a lot. Silence is amazing, get it where you can.

It's so Fritz the Cat though. You think you have it sussed, but you never find the way if you're constantly looking for shortcuts. The arrogance of being sick of music, music itself, "I am tired of language" that's insane. I'm trying not to be rude but I'm coughing into the crook of my elbow here it fucking staggers me, and this from someone who corrects the typos in my own posts.

You Johnny seem absolutely lovely and should take this as the mad ravings of nobody consequential. As you would on the street. Diagetic sounds. I've been up the same roads. My best advice to you is to give up, but keep your ears open.

Why are you all hoping I say algorithm for sexual partners? Why do you think I've got pending patents on that very idea?

GoblinAhFuckScary

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