The Kidz aren't alright

[Purple Tentacle]

Lord of the Rings is a PG isnt it? thats pretty extreme in places, even though its fantasy.

Yeah, Fellowship was part of the reason why they introduced the 12A, Spider Man tipped it. My extended cut DVD is still a PG, which considering it has scenes such as beheading with spurting blood, stabbing someone with an arrow and then firing it etc. is quite remarkable.

What they did (they also did this with Jurassic Park which just scraped a PG) was put "WARNING: CONTAINS SCENES OF VIOLENCE NOT SUITABLE FOR YOUNG 'UNS" beneath the certificate, which made a mockery of the whole system really.

Far better to have a 12A rating than cramming loads of violence into PGs in my opinion, the kidz can still get into a 12A as long as they've got their parents with them (and fuckit, I saw loads of films underage), but without the BBFC effectively lying by saying "nah, it's not that bad."


The Two Towers is a 12A, which meant a lot more violence could be included.

[fanny splendid]

Contains scenes of mild peril.

I will see Rugrats: The Movie.

Maybe not today, but soon.

[Johnny Yesno]

I blame Sunny Delight.

[mayer]

i remember reading all over The Guardian that The Bourne Identity was the first 12A, at least in this country.

[gazzyk1ns]

I'm not sure about "12" certificates, although I think once you turn 16 you should be allowed to watch anything that's currently legally allowed - at that age you can have dirty sex with your girlfriend but not buy/watch a cheap softcore porn film.

Partridge I don't think you're getting old and/or stereotyping, at least not too much - kids do seem to be right little punks these days. Late last year me and a friend were walking along the high street here, and two kids of about 13 said "wankers!" as we walked past. Me and my mate are both about 6'2" and well built, probably literally over a foot taller than these little scummers. We both just stopped and stared at them, not to try to intimidate them but because we were completely bemused - we both wanted to say "Did you just say that!?". We just walked off of course, but we were amazed, neither of us would have dared even look at a couple of 22 year-olds at that age.

[weekender]

I think the difference between kids nowadays and kids a few years ago is simply down to attitude.  When I was younger (say, 13 or 14), most people my age would try and get into 15 rated films that they were legally too young for, that's to be expected.  The difference to my mind is that whilst me and my friends would be nice and polite towards the cinema staff, kids today seem to think they have a god given right to do whatever they want and are a lot more aggressive in their attitudes.

I reckon we probably got into more films than they did.

[weekender]

We just walked off of course,

Nah, wrong action I reckon.  Start walking towards them and shout quite loudly 'WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU SAY???' and they'll be sprinting off with shit running down their legs.

[Lt Plonker]

I remember not being refused the right to buy a Red Dwarf video when I was 14, though the video was rated 12. I didn't even bother trying to sneak into films after that.

I was a very timid child, possibly due to two events I can remember - one being visciously shouted at in Infants, by my teacher, after I gave a friend my work to finish off so I could go and play, and another being my mum biting me, to show me how my sister felt when I bit her. That's what kids need. A fucking good holler, and a bite. Sorted me out early, it did.

One day those wise-arse kids will feel my wrath. I was shocked, on a recent trip home, to see how young these cap wearing fools had become. I remember the days when kids wore dunagrees and party dresses. These stupid little sprogs were actually making a pass at this 20 year old women! Fucks sake.

[Bogey]

I remember being refused entry to the film Gremlins 2, on account of my being eleven. I was with my mum too. I probably got all upset about it. Quitely, and respectfully though, you understand.

and what a monumental post number 200 that was.

[mayer]

We just walked off of course,

Nah, wrong action I reckon.  Start walking towards them and shout quite loudly 'WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU SAY???' and they'll be sprinting off with shit running down their legs.

ninety-nine times out of a hundred, yes.

i've even taken this route a couple of times before... most recently with some midget east end fuckers who were clearly bunking off school and being cunts on the underground. man it felt so good and all.

but you've gotta fear that one time in a hundred you'll be pulling a stanley knife nicked from CDT class out of your face.

[Sam]

On Saturday night I saw the most stereotypical bunch of pikey youths you could possibily imagine. I suspected there were kids this bad somewhere out there but had never run into them. They had to be all of 12 years old, decked out in tracksuits, silly oversized gold chains and every other cliche, were drinking out of a bottle of cider on a street corner and trying to rap. It was godawful. I know in their heads they probably thought they were refined urban poets telling it like it is, yo; but I almost died laughing it was so cringingly bad. They were clearly too young to get into any pubs/clubs so they just shouted at all the people who were actually out for a night out. Christ, what a sad life. Hanging around in the cold just to show-off to people who don't give a flying fuck.

Rant over.

[Hans]

Now, as one of the kidz (I'm 18) I want to stand up for us.  We're not all bad y'know, some of us enjoy sitting down and reading a bit of James Joyce before going to sleep at night.

I see what you're getting at but I don't know if it's any worse.  It's always seemed the same to me.  Maybe in seven years time I can look back with people my age and go 'kids have got so much worse since we were young' and then I can finally join in.

[Sam]

some of us enjoy sitting down and reading a bit of James Joyce before going to sleep at night..

You mean "pretend to read James Joyce". You know very well that only about two people in history have ever read, let alone understood, "Finnegan's Wake" and one of those persons is James Joyce.

I'm 19, by the way, and I fucking hate kids.

[Hans]

You mean "pretend to read James Joyce". You know very well that only about two people in history have ever read, let alone understood, "Finnegan's Wake" and one of those persons is James Joyce.

He wrote more than Finnegan's Wake y'know.  Dubliners is pretty accessible and still great.  Same goes for A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man.

It could still be argued that I'm just pretending though.  Damn teenagers, think they're so intelligent and amazing.

[gazzyk1ns]

I suppose me and my mate didn't bother trying to "teach them a lesson" of any sort because we didn't really care. I suppose the point is that whilst we weren't intimidated, the next people they do it to might be... like Mayer says though, you just know that the one time you do decide to "have a word", the guy's drunken 13 year-old cousin will come up behind you and smash his bottle of Merrydown into you. He'll  probably too young/pissed to do any serious harm but I'd rather not risk even getting a little bit cut up, or indeed getting banged up in chokey for the night for losing it and "assaulting a minor", or whatever.

[Big Jack McBastard]

Didn't someone a few weeks a go blame the Thatcher generation? Then had to to apologise and say it wasn't a causal relationship?.

I said something like this, but I didn't blame the past government, I blame the current one and I don't think I apologised either so I don't  think you're talking about me.

A govenment to hate is a good thing in my opinion, it breeds punks and the like which makes my music collection so much the larger.

Roll on the Tories I say, let them back in power, the public may well do their nut but at least the younger generation will have someone deserving to direct their hateful feelings towards and the ones who go out thieving vehicals and fucking people over will get the punishment they deserve, rather than being handled with kid-gloves, when their only response to that treatment is "Fuck off, what ya gonna fuckin' do eh?"

<Disclaimer: I'm very left wing but I can't deny there are elements of the right that are good for society when we're saturatred with left wing ideas, some of which are just outright stupid>