Corbyn 25: Don't recall the time I felt this alive

[Shoulders?-Stomach!]

Many of the economically left-wing parts of Labour's (domestic) manifesto are hugely popular across the country, but most people, including lifelong progressive activists, don't trust the current leadership of politburo-larpers to actually make them happen.

This was a fair enough criticism, even if I don't fully agree with it I can see why people do.

Labour does need to convince people that change is conceivable. There is an appalling internal contradiction in deprived areas who voted Brexit on a fantasy yet criticise Labour's same policies as fantasies. Do you want to even try to make things better or not?! Apparently you are happy to let the fucking Tories control Brexit and your future on a wing and a fucking prayer but not Labour to basically tax rich people more and spend it on things ordinary people use. FUCKING WOW.

What happened in 1945 must have seemed impossible. People with the same levels of commitment now being decried as larpers is pathetic and is no credit to those making the accusations.

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Also doesn't fall neatly behind Corbyn's leadership so gets demonised by easily triggered sycophants.

Sorry, but fuck off.

I support and like Corbyn because he is aligned with my already pre-existing values. He is the only politician to ever care about or acknowledge the likes of me or people who are trapped in similar awful circumstances like I've been at various points in my life.

I loathe Jess Phillips because she is a lying cheat supported personally by Murdoch. She exploits issues of women's rights, sexism, not to mention antisemitism to shut down criticism. Her narcissism, pathological lying, victim complex and gaslighting are also very reminiscent of people in my own life, who have put a great amount of effort into inflicting mental abuse on those more vulnerable than them.  It's very transparent when you have ever had a person with similar characteristics being close to you. So for me it's personal.

I consider her an evil rotten deceiving cunt, who in a better world, should've never been allowed to represent anyone, except perhaps self-obsessed "gals need drones to kill brown people too" demographic. The only mention she deserves is in the form of a shitpost.

[Zetetic]

Part of convincing people that change is achievable is probably about seeming competent and efficacious yourself, it might be noted.

(In reality, dressing yourself smartly, for example, might have little to do with running a country properly. But I still tuck my shirt in for job interviews. Or did, when I used to do interviews.)

As ever, the question remains who the alternative to Corbyn is, and even as a suspected crypto-centrist I can't see any credible candidates still.

[colacentral]

10 days til a general election and this thread is still mainly about which insufficiently obedient party members to purge. You realise this is why Labour are going to lose a 2-party election against the worst government in living memory, right?

Insufficiently obedient? Unappealing?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/27/labour-meltdown-continued-44-resignations-but-jeremy-corbyn-figh/

[Buelligan]

This kind of inward-looking student-union factional cliquery does not appeal to 90% of the population, and is losing Labour support in traditional heartlands like the Welsh Valleys (where I have never met anyone over the age of 20 who had anything but contempt for Corbyn as a career "down with this sort of thing" bystander who has never in 30 years as an MP/leader actually developed an important piece of legislation through to law).

It may have escaped your notice, I'm guessing quite a bit does, but I know plenty of people in "the Welsh Valleys", more than a few well past 30, don't try to fucking tell me what or who I know or what they fucking think.  Thanks shag.

[colacentral]

Yeah. It amazes me that people can make blanket statements like that based on little more than some overheard conversations at wetherspoons.

[Buelligan]

Or fucking Waitrose.  I left Wales when they got a fucking Waitrose in Aber.  I am not even lying.

[littlefoot]

this thread is still mainly about which insufficiently obedient party members to purge.

It's not really, though. Most of the 'disobedient' members have done a good job at purging themselves, and the most obnoxious ones who didn't, like Kate Hoey, aren't standing again anyway. It's just Jess Phillips who a few here can't help but go on and on about how much they can't stand her.

[TrenterPercenter]

The post upthread is just the usual centrist fuckwittery.  It is important to remember that this is a reflection of a Blairite mentality hoping to pounce should Labour not win the election (and of course they have factored in it been a hung parliament). 

They've never accepted that Corbyn won the leadership election (twice) rather he stole it (some how) and that really the burgeoning support for his style of politics in the membership is the work of a handful of cultists.  The first roll back from this was when the likes of O'Brien decided to stop calling members cultists because there were "some" genuine people getting caught up in that accusation.  Or in other words as the party grew it became obvious that it was bullshit and in order to stand a chance of winning them back people like him would need to appeal to a membership in order to get a candidate in the running for leadership.  Now the fall back has been have to live a contradictory existence; to rail against infighting by infighting; to both deny and assert the impact of negative media for the party etc etc...

It is important to remember that the Labour Movement has to fight on two fronts; one for the heart of the country and one for the heart of the party.  The latter being the establishments bailey to formers motte.  Obviously the best way to defend ones interests is to occupy the role of the revolutionaries that might take ones interests away.

Where we are, on the revolutionary change cycle currently, is the part where there are enough early adopters, added to the remanence of the previous movement, that understand the mechanics of how a leftwing party can be neutralised by internal rightwing dominance (this isn't to say no rightwing mindset should be allowed, rather the Labour Party should be a leftwing party with a leftwing leader that holds some sympathies to rightwing/centre-right desires and not the other way round).  In this sense a great deal has already been won and the election whatever the outcome will be the next test of this.

I think it always best to meditate on these points when posters like the one upthread puffs their chests up.

[TrenterPercenter]

It may have escaped your notice, I'm guessing quite a bit does, but I know plenty of people in "the Welsh Valleys", more than a few well past 30, don't try to fucking tell me what or who I know or what they fucking think.  Thanks shag.

Also the polling in Wales if replicated across the UK would mean a majority for Labour.  So no idea why they chose Wales as an example at this particular point in time.

[TrenterPercenter]

It's not really, though. Most of the 'disobedient' members have done a good job at purging themselves, and the most obnoxious ones who didn't, like Kate Hoey, aren't standing again anyway. It's just Jess Phillips who a few here can't help but go on and on about how much they can't stand her.

They are merely saying that if there came a point in which she was doing more harm to the party than good, then they would speak truth to power to her front and not to her back.


We'll leave the all the knifing and violence metaphors to the experts on how violent speech insights violent acts.

[Paulie Walnuts]

honk honk!

[BlodwynPig]

honk honk!

Do i listen to Paedo clown here or Trenter's nuanced approach above.... hmmm

[phantom_power]

So he even has "For the many, not the Jew" on his suit? Doesn't look good for Corbyn

[Buelligan]

Imagine the work that someone put into to making that for him.  That's not from Marks and Sparks.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Imagine the work that someone put into to making that for him.  That's not from Marks and Sparks.

how many foodbanks could've been stocked for the price of the dear leader's suit do we reckon?

[kittens]

an million?

[Buelligan]

I don't understand why he'd want an antisemitic suit anyway.  The media are spreading the message without need for the suit.  It's literally taking money out of the mouths of ordinary citizens.  I think he should just go naked and write an offensive trope on his penis like Johnson or Farage.

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Oooh, is it "post your favourite Jezza pictures" time?

Here are some of mine:


(This lovely suit was given to him by a tailor friend of his)

[Jerzy Bondov]

Scruffy cunt Corbyn wearing a nice suit, it's disrespectful to look as scruffy as he does all the time, when he's wearing a nice suit, you know that could have gone to the Trussell Trust instead, it must have cost so much for him to look like that, scruffy little Geography teacher prick, I mean what's he supposed to meet the Queen looking like that, I don't know, what a joke he is, bloody champagne socialist poncing around in his expensive suit taking no pride in his appearance

[phantom_power]

Oooh, is it "post your favourite Jezza pictures" time?

Here are some of mine:


(This lovely suit was given to him by a tailor friend of his)

One portion of whatever the fuck that is = 40 food banks
One bicycle = 200 food banks
Wonky Glasses = 120 food banks
Phone (plus case) = 176 food banks
Slogan-firing armpit cannon = 2000 food banks

Happy now Crobryn!

[idunnosomename]

Did you know JERMY CROBBINS owns a HOUSE in LONDON worth over a MILLION POUNDS!


THATS NOT VERY SOCIALIST OF HIM!!!!

[jobotic]

how many foodbanks could've been stocked for the price of the dear leader's suit do we reckon?

there's no such thing as foodbanks or poor people. Get with the programme.

[Rich Uncle Skeleton]

honk honk!

Shiiiit, better vote Tory.

Oh wait I'm not a fucking stupid cunt.

[olliebean]

Maybe I'm missing something, but that clearly says "FEW," not "JEW," doesn't it?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Oooh, is it "post your favourite Jezza pictures" time?

[Jerzy Bondov]

[Paulie Walnuts]

was that the 2017 election that he won?

[Buelligan]

One of my favourites too.  I love the dancing cenotaph one.  But the stairs-thumbs-up's probably my top one at the moment.  Unless it's this one



or this...

[phantom_power]

Maybe I'm missing something, but that clearly says "FEW," not "JEW," doesn't it?

You are definitely missing something. The anti-antisemitism gene