Wait, isn't this some serious bullshit?! (US Healthcare Reform)

[BritishHobo]

I really don't understand the opposition to this. The cost of healthcare without insurance at the moment, people getting lumbered with thousands of dollars in bills, seems so crippling that I can't see why people are so deathly opposed to making things a lot easier and more reasonable to afford. I've only spoken to one person who's against Obamacare, and their arguments were 'doctors won't get paid for their work' which I think is just made-up, and 'it encourages girls to get abortions', which... speaks for itself.

[Still Not George]

I'm going to miss the word "Obamacare". It's always handy when fuckwits pick a nice easily-recognisable word or symbol to mark themselves as such.

[Nuclear Optimism]

Presumably it's become so attached to the idea that its supporters will just use it out of convenience, and it'll become the accepted term, like "Spaghetti Western".

[rudi]

I'm going to miss the word "Obamacare". It's always handy when fuckwits pick a nice easily-recognisable word or symbol to mark themselves as such.

It's certainly up there with "Looney Left" and "PC Gone Mad".

[Nuclear Optimism]

It's no "Eurocracy", that's for sure.

[El Unicornio, mang]

This law is terrible, wrong and false, and if it continues, we will see what will become of a health delivery system, the best system in the world, that was delivering excellent care to 75% of the people

Yeah, fuck the other 75million people.

There are not enough doctors, hospitals and providers to serve 30 million people, many who don't speak english, imagine the paperwork nightmare?

Bloody paperwork!

[Still Not George]

Wow. They're finally coming right out and saying it, huh?

"We don't want dirty poor and yucky foreign people in our hospitals!"

I mean, it's been the real disagreement the US right has had against "Obamacare" from the outset, but it's a bit stunning to see them actually admit it.

[El Unicornio, mang]

Just to get away from the negative stuff for a bit

I love love love my new tax. I would never walk by a human being bleeding to death on the sidewalk and I do not want to be part of a community that does the same. Yes spend my money to help make Americans healthier.

Healthcare should be a basic right, not a status symbol, which is what it seems to be in our country. America, instead of hating one another, lets help each other. I would and will gladly pay a tax that helps someone else see the doctor.

Pretty much the feeling of most of my US friends.

[Artemis]

My Kentucky based friend is pissed now, because his family - who didn't have health insurance because they couldn't afford it - now have to buy health insurance. He sees them as trapped between the poverty line, and being in a position to pay for insurance, but they'll have to pay anyway.

[Artemis]

Just checked said friend's facebook page, and sure enough, there he is moaning about the 'largest tax increase in American history' has been approved.

My favourite response to this is:

Didn't Obama say there would be NO tax increasing while he is in office? What a lier!
Obama seems more & more like the devil every day :-/

[El Unicornio, mang]

Bill O'Reilly: "[President Obama] wants a huge federal government to level the playing field and redistribute income ... Americans have to decide -- do you want to be Sweden or do you want to go back to the free market place?"

Sweden??? HELL NO

[Nuclear Optimism]

but eurofag snownigrs and comminism

[George Oscar Bluth II]

The thing they can never explain is why every developed first world democracy has some form of "socialised medicine", and yet aren't complete hellholes.

It's laughable that they'd use Sweden as an example of somewhere you should be scared of becoming too. Absolutely amazing.

[Shoulders?-Stomach!]

NOT SWEDEN!!!!

NOT CALM CIVILISED AND PROSPEROUS IN A SOMEHOW HIGH TAX ECONOMY

[Still Not George]

The thing they can never explain is why every developed first world democracy has some form of "socialised medicine", and yet aren't complete hellholes.

Hence this glorious tweet:

"Breaking: Conservatives planning to leave U.S., but can't find wealthy Western democracy without universal health care. ‪#hrc‬ ‪#scotus‬"

It's laughable that they'd use Sweden as an example of somewhere you should be scared of becoming too. Absolutely amazing.

One Republican Senator had to officially apologise to the Netherlands after actively suggesting that the Dutch medical system schedules seniors for mandatory euthanasia.

[Shoulders?-Stomach!]

Bigpharm and insurance corporations must love having an army of brainwashed, barely sentient cumstains essentially fighting their battles for them...by people who frequently arent covered

what a fuck up of a country. I know we have a monarchy but id rather have a wart on my face than a rotting heart.

[KLG-7A]

This argument was won the day that a prominent Republican said that Stephen Hawking wouldn't still  be alive if he was British and using our healthcare system. Everything that has happened since then has been a technicality.

[Nuclear Optimism]

But Hawking is one of them lefty "intellectuals" what are clogging up our university system with their so-called evolution and politically correct sociology courses run by women and minorities designed to brainwash our innocent student children and make them hate the White Man and turn into gays who hate Jesus.

So he must be wrong.

[El Unicornio, mang]

Hence this glorious tweet:
One Republican Senator had to officially apologise to the Netherlands after actively suggesting that the Dutch medical system schedules seniors for mandatory euthanasia.

I saw someone on facebook saying that the NHS euthanises 120,000 old people a year.

Before getting all high and mighty, however, it should be noted that when the NHS was announced in the UK in 1946 it was also met with opposition, including from the British Medical Association:

"I have examined the [NHS] Bill and it looks to me uncommonly like the first step, and a big one, to national socialism as practised in Germany. The medical service there was early put under the dictatorship of a 'medical fuhrer'. The Bill will establish the minister for health in that capacity."

Given the amount of people in England raging at "benefit scroungers/disabled" these days, there would probably be just as much outrage as there is in the US, but since we've had it for so long we've accepted it as the norm.

[Shoulders?-Stomach!]

This argument was won the day that a prominent Republican said that Stephen Hawking wouldn't still  be alive if he was British and using our healthcare system. Everything that has happened since then has been a technicality.

no-one pointed out that anyone with money still can get better healthcare under the u.s system then??

[Nuclear Optimism]

The dickheads at Free Republic have convinced themselves that they're going to have to fill out a form indicating which party they support, and "will get worse than average care due to our political affiliation".

[Replies From View]

id rather have a wart on my face than a rotting heart.

Your wish is my command (I'm in a generous mood so will give you both!).

*summons wart and magical heart rotting fluid*

[KLG-7A]

no-one pointed out that anyone with money still can get better healthcare under the u.s system then??

They did, and then they were met with the response "people from other countries can pay for those treatment in your country too" and then they died from stupidity, before being raised from the dead by their superior healthcare system and then killed again, by fat.

[Replies From View]

My fear is that America are actually ahead of us, since we're presently making incremental steps towards privatised health care.

[Nuclear Optimism]

At least the right are taking the ruling with dignity and restraint, and above all, rock-solid sanity.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-congress/2012/06/pence-likens-health-care-ruling-to-127628.html

In a closed door House GOP meeting Thursday, Indiana congressman and gubernatorial candidate Mike Pence likened the Supreme Court's ruling upholding the Democratic health care law to the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, according to several sources present.

Pence is a former member of Republican leadership who is considered the frontrunner to become governor of Indiana.

http://www.toberight.com/2012/06/health-care-reaction/

How could John Roberts side with the liberals?  The individual mandate is so clearly unconstitutional – even to a layperson – how could it be?

Later this afternoon, it's going to come out that Roberts was coerced.  A Secret Service agent overheard Obama and Axelrod discussing the Roberts blackmail.  He managed to get them on tape discussing it.  Later this afternoon, the whole story will come out, Roberts will issue his REAL opinion, and Obama and Axelrod will be taken away in handcuffs.

All we can do is try to fix this with Congress.  It's all we can even hope for.  So, I guess I'll do my part.  I'm going to Tweet, Facebook, write letters, make phone calls, blog, heckle politicians, recruit friends, organize Tea Parties.  I am going to do everything in my legal power to vote every leftist out of office this November.  I will work tirelessly to this end.

I think this is the day America died.  So first, I'll be sad for a day.

With its 5-4 ruling upholding Obamacare the US Supreme Court has joined with the Executive and Legislative branches of the federal government in abandoning the Constitution, the Rule of Law, and with that ruling abandoned the People. All of us are now simply chattel of the government to be used and ordered about as they choose. The history books will mark this date as the day our constitutional republic was killed. It will now rest with We The People to decide if it will be resurrected or left to rot in the shallow grave dug for it.

Where is the weeping and wailing? Where is the anger and outrage? Do the people of the country realize what has just been stolen from them? Do the people of the world recognize that the shadow of darkness is now fallen upon them as well and that there remains no defender of their feeble freedoms? The all out oppression of all people has begun.

Those "occupiers" now controlling the three federal branches of government have joined together in rejecting all Constitutional restraint and in doing so they have severely violated their oaths to support and defend the Constitution of the United States. Together they now stand as blatant usurpers of power and have reduced our constitutional republic, along with all of its freedoms, to nothing more than a dictatorial junta. Becoming a banana republic is next.

When a gang of criminals subvert legitimate government offices and seize all power to themselves without the real consent of the governed their every act and edict is of itself illegal and is outside the bounds of the Rule of Law. In such cases submission is treason. Treason against the Constitution and the valid legitimate government of the nation to which we have pledged our allegiance for years. To resist by all means that are right in the eyes of God is not rebellion or insurrection, it is patriotic resistance to invasion.

May all of us fall on our faces before the Heavenly Judge, repent of our sins, and humbly cry out to Him for mercy on our country. And, may godly courageous leaders rise up in His wisdom and power to lead us in displacing the criminal invaders from their seats and restore our constitutional republic.

Roy Nicholson
Chairman
Mississippi Tea Party

[Shoulders?-Stomach!]

My fear is that America are actually ahead of us, since we're presently making incremental steps towards privatised health care.

Oh definitely, I agree with that. We're also further behind in the sense that people are so unaware of the private interests of the enabler MPs. Andrew Lansleys connection to private health companies would at least be raised in the U.S. Obama has at least tried to raise the problem of lobbying, corruption and special interests- in the UK these shocking facts reach the byline of Private Eye and no further- people just dont seem to give that much of a shit.

[George Oscar Bluth II]

Don't forget when you read the insane responses to this, that the law is basically the Republicans health plan from the 1990s.

[Still Not George]

Don't forget when you read the insane responses to this, that the law is basically the Republicans health plan from the 1990s.

Mitt Romney's plan, no less.

[Johnny Yesno]

One Republican Senator had to officially apologise to the Netherlands after actively suggesting that the Dutch medical system schedules seniors for mandatory euthanasia.

That was Santorum, right? He finally apologised?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yn-eejMcmuA

[Shoulders?-Stomach!]

And they already have a form of socialised health insurance with Medicare:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicare_(United_States)

Which ain't pretty:

Medicare-eligible persons who do not have 40 or more quarters of Medicare-covered employment may purchase Part A for a monthly premium of:
$248.00 per month (as of 2012)[45] for those with 30-39 quarters of Medicare-covered employment, or
$451.00 per month (as of 2012)[45] for those with fewer than 30 quarters of Medicare-covered employment and who are not otherwise eligible for premium-free Part A coverage

Even when they try to socialise things they include caveats that mean the least well-off are still not covered, and they deter people who may be able to purchase cover by making it horrendously complicated.

All to avoid, y'know, paying taxes and actually covering people rather than leaving them to die. It really makes me laugh when an American tries to paint the NHS as being inhuman when their own system is almost entirely based on how much money you have rather than how ill you are.