Terminator (2019)

[Custard]

When the aliens arrive and wipe us and all our culture out, the only Terminator things left alone will be the first two films and The Sarah Connor Chronicles.

And maybe that time Triple H came out dressed as a Terminator

[mothman]

Will anyone from this forum actually be going to the cinema to watch Terminator: Dark Fate?  Just curious.

In keeping with the franchise's time-travel shenanigans, I went back a week to answer your question:

I'll almost certainly watch this. But I've realised when thinking that the idea of going to the cinema to do so feels quite incomprehensible. Netflix in about a year it is, then.

[thecuriousorange]

When the aliens arrive and wipe us and all our culture out, the only Terminator things left alone will be the first two films and The Sarah Connor Chronicles.

And maybe that time Triple H came out dressed as a Terminator

Apparently the Terminator 2-3D: Battle Across Time ride at Disney World Universal Studios was good and even had videos with Arnie and the T2 John Connor kid. Maybe aliens will find a mothballed version of that, after REAL robots have enslaved us.

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Well here's a video of the final showing - see for yourself:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQcubW--gGA

[St_Eddie]

Well here's a video of the final showing - see for yourself:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQcubW--gGA

Aye, it's on the DVD as well.  I wasn't impressed.  Then again, it's not designed to be viewed at home and in 2D.

[ZoyzaSorris]

I didn't even think the original was that great if I'm honest. Never finished T2, got bored. Kid in it. Fucking arsed mate

I liked it at the time (being a stupid thirteen year old) but on rewatch a few years back I was yearning for the ghastly twot to be turned into a liquid metal kebab post haste. Enjoyed the first one on revisit though.

[St_Eddie]

I liked it at the time (being a stupid thirteen year old) but on rewatch a few years back I was yearning for the ghastly twot to be turned into a liquid metal kebab post haste. Enjoyed the first one on revisit though.

The original movie is still my favourite.  I love the dark, 80's noir style and bleakness of it all.  The sequel's a great popcorn action flick but I'm more inclined to prefer the horror focused original.  Also, yeah; John Conner in T2 is a squealing irritant.

[madhair60]

a great popcorn action flick

[greenman]

The original movie is still my favourite.  I love the dark, 80's noir style and bleakness of it all.  The sequel's a great popcorn action flick but I'm more inclined to prefer the horror focused original.  Also, yeah; John Conner in T2 is a squealing irritant.

The sequel whilst not as totally focused on it does arguably do the horror aspect of the original even better with the T-1000 as the ultimate rentless monster. Besides beign badly made generally I'd say that's really what the films since have lost touch with, you have the odd chase scene but there more sci fi action rather than horror.

I do love the apocalyptic bleakness of the original, LA in T2 still has a certain coldness to it but the original merges it so well with the flash forwards that one becoming the other seems nature as a society on its last legs. Its cleaner in terms of plot as well with the Reese/Sarah romance fitting into the story very naturally which again I spose became a progressively larger problem as the franchise expanded.

John being realistically annoying though is surely intensional? before Arnie recycling 1-2 of his lines the film doesn't really look to paint him as "cool". You could say the same for Sarah in the original being an everyday waitress realistically terrified and out of her depth most of the film.

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As an unrelenting nightmare chase film, the first one can't be beaten.  The T-1000 is so overpowered that he keeps pulling his punches (walks slowly when his targets are within running distance, picks up speed when they are in a vehicle - things like that), whereas the T-800 in the first film does everything he can to get Sarah, and you feel it.

Yes T2 does other things besides being a nightmare chase film, but lacking those qualities of the first film makes it inferior in my book.  Plus it all just feels shinier and more glossy, not in a good way.

[greenman]

I didn't get the sense the T-1000 was pulling punches, there's arguably less disparity between him and the T-800 than the latter and Reese in the first film, the film moves a bit more towards larger than life action generally though.

Again I think the original really works well because the LA setting itself feels so oppressive even when Arnie isn't on screen.

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I didn't get the sense the T-1000 was pulling punches,

In the arcade and subsequent corridor scenes, John Connor is in easy jog-and-stab distance but the T-1000 waits until they are all on a motorbike before he starts sprinting.  When he's in the hospital corridor behind the metal gate he stands still for far longer than he needs to for the benefit of a brilliant CGI effect - it's a fantastic moment but we lose the sense that he's doing everything in his power to do what he needs to do.  And he positively plods up the stairs towards his target in the last few scenes in the factory.

It's my own feeling, that's all.  Whereas in the first film the T-800 sustains the same level of tireless single-minded pursuit throughout.

Plus in the second film there's that bit where they are all in the desert and the T-1000 doesn't know where they are.  While the story is doing other strong things at this point it's arguably a dead spot in terms of the nightmare chase aspect, and the Connors have to make the choice to put themselves back in danger.  The first film doesn't really have that moment of lull.

[Gerald Fjord]

when sarah and kyle fuck in the first one boy do they FUCK. you can see they stink comin out that screen in waves, like a hot dick coolin on a windersill.

[St_Eddie]

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John being realistically annoying though is surely intensional?

Possibly.  Intentionally annoying is still annoying, mind.  It can work well enough when the annoying character is supposed to be someone that the viewer dislikes but when the viewer's supposed to be rooting for them... eehhhhh.  I don't have a massive problem with John in T2 but the older I get, the more annoying he becomes.

As an unrelenting nightmare chase film, the first one can't be beaten.  The T-1000 is so overpowered that he keeps pulling his punches (walks slowly when his targets are within running distance, picks up speed when they are in a vehicle - things like that), whereas the T-800 in the first film does everything he can to get Sarah, and you feel it.

Yes T2 does other things besides being a nightmare chase film, but lacking those qualities of the first film makes it inferior in my book.  Plus it all just feels shinier and more glossy, not in a good way.

I think that it very much comes down to individual taste but yes, personally speaking, I concur.

Plus in the second film there's that bit where they are all in the desert and the T-1000 doesn't know where they are.  While the story is doing other strong things at this point it's arguably a dead spot in terms of the nightmare chase aspect, and the Connors have to make the choice to put themselves back in danger.  The first film doesn't really have that moment of lull.

There's a brief respite for Kyle and Sarah in the motel in the first film but even then it never feels safe, in the same way that it does with the sequence in the desert in T2 (the momentum of the movie grinds to a halt at that point) and the Terminator soon tracks them down and the chase is back on.  I certainly agree that the relentlessness of the first film is a significant plus.

when sarah and kyle fuck in the first one boy do they FUCK. you can see they stink comin out that screen in waves, like a hot dick coolin on a windersill.

Along with the dodgy animatronic head of the Terminator looking in the mirror, that's one of the few things that I'm not so keen on in the original.  The sex scene goes on for an unnecessarily long time, in my opinion.

[Gerald Fjord]

Along with the dodgy animatronic head of the Terminator looking in the mirror, that's one of the few things that I'm not so keen on in the original.  The sex scene goes on for an unnecessarily long time, in my opinion.

i can tell from this opinion that you have never FUCKED GOOD and i am truly sorry.

[St_Eddie]

i can tell from this opinion that you have never FUCKED GOOD and i am truly sorry.

I've talked before on this forum about how sex is a wonderful thing in real-life, but a tedious, pointless and boring slog in movies (outside of porn).

[Blumf]

I've talked before on this forum about how sex is a wonderful thing in real-life, but a tedious, pointless and boring slog in movies (outside of porn).

[greenman]

In the arcade and subsequent corridor scenes, John Connor is in easy jog-and-stab distance but the T-1000 waits until they are all on a motorbike before he starts sprinting.  When he's in the hospital corridor behind the metal gate he stands still for far longer than he needs to for the benefit of a brilliant CGI effect - it's a fantastic moment but we lose the sense that he's doing everything in his power to do what he needs to do.  And he positively plods up the stairs towards his target in the last few scenes in the factory.

It's my own feeling, that's all.  Whereas in the first film the T-800 sustains the same level of tireless single-minded pursuit throughout.

Plus in the second film there's that bit where they are all in the desert and the T-1000 doesn't know where they are.  While the story is doing other strong things at this point it's arguably a dead spot in terms of the nightmare chase aspect, and the Connors have to make the choice to put themselves back in danger.  The first film doesn't really have that moment of lull.

You could just as well say Arnie rising his gun slowly to shoot Sarah was pulling his punches IMHO.

Whilst I'd agree T2 is less wholey focused on it I do actually think the sections with the T-1000 have a more intense sense of danger to them. I don't think that's the be all and end all of how successful the films are though as again the original for me gets more currency out of its location generally, night time LA there is a much more threatening place in its general scuzziness that merges with the threat of the Terminator and Reeses flashbacks.

[Gulftastic]

I like T3. I love the bleak ending. And the massive car chase sequence.

[biggytitbo]

Fucking arsed mate

Painted on.

[biggytitbo]

The T-800 anuses were never painted on.  Please stop parroting this branch of biggytitbo propaganda; it really annoys me.

Still hawking your painted on bumhole denial I see, clearly you are in the pocket of big anus.

[olliebean]

I've talked before on this forum about how sex is a wonderful thing in real-life, but a tedious, pointless and boring slog in movies (outside of porn).

Increasingly in porn too, I'm finding these days.

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Still hawking your painted on bumhole denial I see, clearly you are in the pocket of big anus.

You never ever tell the truth about Terminators' anuses and it riles me so.

[gib]

OK, if he's on a mission in the nude and he drops his keys and has to bend over for them and his buttocks part revealing his anus and its painted on rather than a genuine anus and someone is there at close quarters staring up his arse and sees, this may alert them to the fact he's a terminator and not a real nude man (what is this arse observer even going to do with this information anyway!?). I accept that, I just think the order of events is so vanishingly unlikely that its not cost effective for the manufactures to install complex mechanical anuses when for all intents and purposes a painted on duplicate will do.

In that case why bother even painting one on? Surely a rival firm could run a much more efficient operation if they spared themselves the considerable expense of anus paint workshops.

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In that case why bother even painting one on? Surely a rival firm could run a much more efficient operation if they spared themselves the considerable expense of anus paint workshops.

Thank you, gib.  Finally somebody who understands.

[gib]

Thank you, gib.  Finally somebody who understands.

No. Your 'sock' theory is the worst of all worlds.

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No. Your 'sock' theory is the worst of all worlds.

No it isn't.  You obviously haven't seen socks before.

[gib]

I've seen pictures and videos, sometimes you can see a foot going in. So in a way I have seen a sock thank you, not that it makes any difference to the economic argument that is the elephant in the room.

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The economic argument that is simply allowing the living tissue to take the form of an inside-out sock at the moment of anus?

Compared to the alternative of having dedicated paint-spraying machines installed to make one tiny dot between each the buttocks of each T-800.  To say nothing of all the costs involved in repairing and replacing T-800 units that were easily identified because their anuses gave them away.

[gib]

An inside-out sock version is probably the least economically viable model on the market in this universe.