Thor: Love and Thunder

[Lord Mandrake]

I dunno. It's notoriously not a studio that put a director's vision first.

I think the Eternals is evidence that directors visions aren't necessarily copasetic with cohesive, long form story telling. They need to be reigned in, it's not about them. If the Russos and Waititi, Gunn and apparently Raimi can work with the formula then it's not broken.

[Mister Six]

That was generally before they got rid of the group that would interfere with all the films whose name I forget now.

Ike Perlmutter was one of them. He's also the reason there was no planned Black Widow movie at first, or any non-white protagonists. A cunt, basically, although I don't know if he was responsible for Edgar Wright leaving Ant-Man.

Obviously they're not as freewheeling as DC, and there are limits to the freedoms given to directors (and they're ramping up the cross-movie IP awareness shit again, after already dialling it back after alienating people with it around the time of Avengers 2), but modern Marvel Studios clearly does give its directors a fair bit of leeway. Eternals is not anything like Thor 3, and the notion that they would have squashed even a little bit of emotion or reflection in the latter if Waititi had wanted to include it just seems completel wrong to me.

[madhair60]

I think the Eternals is evidence that directors visions aren't necessarily copasetic with cohesive, long form story telling. They need to be reigned in, it's not about them. If the Russos and Waititi, Gunn and apparently Raimi can work with the formula then it's not broken.

Why don't they just use no-name directors-for-hire?

Not snark. I don't see how it would affect the films.

[Famous Mortimer]

Marketing?

[Lord Mandrake]

Like them or not, pulling off films like Infinity War, Endgame etc.. Takes an enormous amount of filmmaking ability and experience.

[Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth]

Why don't they just use no-name directors-for-hire?

Not snark. I don't see how it would affect the films.

They did that on Thor 2 and look how that turned out (perfectly well, I thought, but I seem to be alone in that).

[Lord Mandrake]

The Russos and Gunn can execute the tonal shifts I think Waititi struggled with in Ragnarok so it's not studio mandate, it's storytelling ability.

[phantom_power]

They did that on Thor 2 and look how that turned out (perfectly well, I thought, but I seem to be alone in that).

The director of the Spiderman films is hardly well known, and Scott Derrickson had only done a couple of horror films before Dr Strange. The Russos weren't really anything before Winter Soldier either.

[Mister Six]

Edit: Misunderstood the thrust of the post.

[phantom_power]

The Russos and Gunn can execute the tonal shifts I think Waititi struggled with in Ragnarok so it's not studio mandate, it's storytelling ability.

But then Waititi handled the tonal shifts well in his non-Marvel films so who knows really? Maybe he wasn't really going for emotion in that film but will want to in this one

[Lord Mandrake]

I enjoyed it but Jojo Rabbit isn't really funny. Likewise the pathos in Wilderpeople is sketchy at best to me whereas WWDITS is just out and out comedy. Still enjoyed Ragnarok a great deal but Odins death for example and Bruce Banners whole demeanour were just a bit off.

[Head Gardener]

[Famous Mortimer]

I'm not sure you needed to bump this thread to post a picture that those shitty Facebook meme congregator pages would have probably turned down, but so be it.

[Head Gardener]

oh gimme an inch of self amusement please

[madhair60]

oh gimme an inch of self amusement please

no.

[Butchers Blind]

New trailer...

[bgmnts]

Who could they get in to make Marvel films palatable to a discerning movie goer at this point? Someone to maybe go less is more.

Currently, Marvel films are just too much; too many flashing lights, too many big fight sequences, too many crap attempts at humour (Deadpool 2 was literally an attempted gag every 10 seconds) and too many films.

Someone needs to come in and slow it all down but who?

[holyzombiejesus]

Richard Linklater could do a Marvel universe Slacker.

[MojoJojo]

Currently, Marvel films are just too much; too many flashing lights, too many big fight sequences, too many crap attempts at humour (Deadpool 2 was literally an attempted gag every 10 seconds) and too many films.

Yes, and no one enunciates properly anymore. The multi-billion dollar franchise really needs to bring in someone who understands the importance of proper diction.

[Bad Ambassador]

The gentlemen never stand up when a lady walks into the room.

[Lord Mandrake]

Who could they get in to make Marvel films palatable to a discerning movie goer at this point? Someone to maybe go less is more.

Currently, Marvel films are just too much; too many flashing lights, too many big fight sequences, too many crap attempts at humour (Deadpool 2 was literally an attempted gag every 10 seconds) and too many films.

Someone needs to come in and slow it all down but who?

I agree, they are pushing it now. They are backed up and releasing new shit it feels like every week. I'm an unabashed MCU fan but it's overwhelming and that over saturation people have been insisting on for years feels close.

[Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth]

Bale looks surprisingly creepy there. Supposedly, he turned down a lorryload of money to play Batman again, so hopefully that means he was drawn to this by an interesting character to play (one whose menace won't be constantly undermined by goofy shenanigans).

[Glebe]

Bale's scenes look like they're from different movie.

[Mister Six]

I agree, they are pushing it now. They are backed up and releasing new shit it feels like every week. I'm an unabashed MCU fan but it's overwhelming and that over saturation people have been insisting on for years feels close.

Dr Strange 2 pushed me over the edge, but I'll watch this and Guardians 3, at least, because I like those creative teams and there's a slim chance that development on them started early enough that I won't have to watch eight hours of Forbush Man on Disney+ to get what's going on.

Not gonna bother with the other stuff though. Watch Ms Marvel on Disney+ just so I can watch Captain Marvel 2? Fuck offfffffff.

[dissolute ocelot]

Just saw a Direct Line ad with Tessa Thompson as King Valkyrie or whatever her character is called, presumably intended as a direct tie in with the imminent release of this. Direct Line adverts have for years been shitting on people's film and TV memories with cartoon characters, Harvey Keitel wanking at a car window, and recently Transformers, but now I can say that's me through with Marvel. Hate Direct Line more than any other corporation/brand ever, even Virgin. Also, how much did it cost? I know Direct Line's thing is "we're much more expensive than anyone, that's why we're not on price comparison sites, and we love landlords because we're cunts", but surely Marvel cash-ins aren't cheap even in comparison to Top Cat or Keitel?

Anyway, enjoy the Hammer Guy film.

[Crenners]

Wasn't funny.

[Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth]

Will estuary English speakers call this "For Four"?

[Glebe]

Official reviews out now, sound's like it walks a very fine line between dark and goofy.

[phantom_power]

Peter Bradshaw gives it a 3, which means it must be a 5

[Stigdu]

Nice mini review from Jake West!

Fantastic fun screening of Thor:Love and Thunder & hilarious Q&A with Director Taika Waititi, Natalie Portman and Tessa Thompson.  Tho gotta say Russel Crowe absolutely steals this with his pitch perfect comedy portrayal of Zeus!  Thank you so much for the invite Deola Folarin (you rock)  & brilliant to hang out with you & my fantastic cousin Chloe &  her top chap Simon Tolhurst.  See ya in Valhalla 🤣 x