Saw X (Saw movie)

[BritishHobo]

Isn't the point that he's a cunt and wants people to suffer? It's not really supposed to be fair beyond a nominal nod to an escape route, is it?

He is, but it seems like every two or three films, the writers get convinced that you're meant to see him as a really nuanced antihero and find his approach to justice brilliant and complex. Then they forget that again and lean back into the great mad shit.

This film has the perfect example, when he rages that the young girl won her trap and the right and fair thing to do is to get her to a hospital, and the villain is cruel for not doing so. She wouldn't need a hospital if you'd not strung her up on hooks John you mad cunt

[Egyptian Feast]

Since they wanted to get her to a hospital, I'm wondering what kind of transportation arrangements they'd made for

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someone with a severed leg, a burns victim and someone with a gaping hole in their skull

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since they seem to have accounted for everything else. Would they call them a taxi or hire a minibus to drop them off at the hospital? If they do further instalments, I'd like to see more about the aftercare provided by Jigsaw and associates.

[The Late Satoru Iwata]

I think this one is the closest one of the films has got to completely ignoring that Kramer is an insane hypocrite who's constantly lying to himself about what he does to people, but I think that is still there, they're just very good at working out what his thought process would be.

Real life is where you have issues. If you ever meet anyone who sincerely believes, as Kramer claims, that he's never murdered anyone then it's red flag time. I bet they're also Team Walt and think Thanos Was Right.

[Noodle Lizard]

Since they wanted to get her to a hospital, I'm wondering what kind of transportation arrangements they'd made for

Spoiler alert

someone with a severed leg, a burns victim and someone with a gaping hole in their skull

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since they seem to have accounted for everything else. Would they call them a taxi or hire a minibus to drop them off at the hospital? If they do further instalments, I'd like to see more about the aftercare provided by Jigsaw and associates.

I genuinely think an installment purely about the logistics of his operation would be fun. Maybe even a blooper reel of times where things went wrong or the victim was easily able to exploit a flaw in the plan etc.

[dex]

I genuinely think an installment purely about the logistics of his operation would be fun. Maybe even a blooper reel of times where things went wrong or the victim was easily able to exploit a flaw in the plan etc.

Jigsaw stubs his toe on the stairs "GOD DAMNIT!!"

[El Unicornio, mang]

This was brutal but lots of fun. I haven't seen a Saw since the first one and barely remembered it so I was confused about everyone having phones from 2005 and this nice old cancer patient man fantasizing about an Asian lad having his eyeballs sucked out of his bonce. And then later a woman looking like Kate Bush in the Cloudbusting video turning up to help him torture people.

It all made sense after I looked up that it fits between Saw 1 and 2. Tobin Bell is 80 but I could just about accept that he's a 60 year old since he's suffering cancer and is a sadistic psychopath.

The actors playing the victims were good, it must take a real skill to keep that level of fear, desperation and pain going for an entire shoot. I was seriously wincing through each of the "challenges". I thought the British guy was rubbish. Already knew before I checked his wikipedia page that he must have done a voice for a Call of Duty character. Bet he hangs out with Craig Fairbrass.

Looks like it's going to make about 10x the production budget so a pretty big success.

[BritishHobo]

I genuinely hope they get to do five to ten more of these, all slotted in the increasingly smaller gap between the previous film and Saw 2. Just wilder and wilder things that they pretend definitely happened off-screen. They'd have the scope to feature people like

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Cary Elwes

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who were also revealed to have been involved all along.

[Joe Oakes]

Thought this was far superior to the last couple, but still shit. 

Can imagine it being entertaining if you enjoy the ridiculous convoluted logic that has become the motif of the series. They were incredibly fortunate in that Tobin Bell turned out to be a charismatic actor you can hang a franchise on, but their luck ran out in the casting of Amanda. She's awful. Also, I appreciate that audiences have shorter attention spans these days, but the director didn't need to include flashbacks to scenes that happened 5 minutes previous.

I wish my distaste for was moral reasons, but I do enjoy a nihilistic torture flick, some of my favourite horrors include Martyrs, Frontier(s) and even the indefensible August Underground.

[The Late Satoru Iwata]

I genuinely hope they get to do five to ten more of these, all slotted in the increasingly smaller gap between the previous film and Saw 2.

I hope they get to do another one that takes place at the same time as III and IV just to make the logistics of that day even more complicated.

[Rev+]

Probably the best sequel.  Wouldn't work if you hadn't seen at least some of the others, but I like that they took a bit of a risk with the first half having its own built-in menace without having to actually do anything.

Really funny in places, too.  The 'rope' bit that everyone mentions, but also the discovery of the DVD.  In most films I'd have shouted at the screen, but it was fittingly silly in this one.  Ending was shite like, too many attempted twists, and a really poor attempt at leaving the door open for another one.  The gap between Saw 1 and 2 is going to be about 20 years unless Tobin Bell drops off the perch.

[pk1yen]

I'm a sucker for all the Saw movies (not Spiral which was shit) and their convoluted plotting, so I naturally loved this. The first 45 minutes being a fairly standard drama with Tobin as a compelling sympathetic lead was great. Really getting the most out of him.

Nobody's mentioned the laugh-out-loud yelling of

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"oh FUCK OFF AMANDA!"

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from the British guy.

I assume they'll do one more about

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John recruiting Hoffman, which I don't think we ever see in the previous ones?

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- and that's gotta be all the gaps plugged, right?

Man, I want to go back and rewatch them all again now. I have such fond memories of buying the first Saw on DVD on a whim, scaring the arse off myself, and then having to scour early torrent sites for weeks until someone uploaded Saw 2 when it came out, because we weren't old enough to see it (or Saw 3) in cinemas.

[Rev+]

Your second spoiler there -

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Did you miss the mid-credits scene where Hoffman crops up?  Yer man also phones a 'detective' during the film when he's getting everyone rounded up, who is presumably him.  So he's already onboard, and a film about him getting involved would be a... pre-interquel?

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Not that I'd put it past them to do something that confusing, mind.

[Noodle Lizard]

The mid-credits scene made me laugh out loud. "Look who's back everybody, it's ...

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fuckin HOFFMAN!"

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It should've been

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Jigsaw giving a bunch of instructions to someone, and then the bloke turns around in his doctor's chair and it's only Cary Elwes and he says "As you wish!" and winks at us all.

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[popcorn]

I genuinely think an installment purely about the logistics of his operation would be fun. Maybe even a blooper reel of times where things went wrong or the victim was easily able to exploit a flaw in the plan etc.

I've only seen Saw 1, but this occurred to me as well — that designing these challenges would in reality require unbelievable amounts of video game-style playtesting. I liked the idea of the victim having no idea what they were supposed to do or why it was ironic and Jigsaw having to tell them "no, they key is inside the DOG'S ARSE, you have to EAT THE DOG'S ARSE to get the key" "what? that doesn't make sense, why would the key be inside the dog" etc.

[13 schoolyards]

I always assumed Jigsaw started out with really basic sure-fire deathtraps - "the key to the handcuffs is attached to the trigger of the shotgun that is pointing AT YOUR FACE" - and then gradually he started adding flourishes until we got to the insane schemes he was up to in the movies.

So a prequel would just be him starting out by getting people to put their neck into a guillotine, then maybe just an arm, then finally a finger but the finger was the only thing preventing a nail bomb attached to their crotch from going off

[Bad Ambassador]

Jigsaw replaces Glinner's missing nut with a hand grenade.

[BritishHobo]

Probably the stupidest bit of invented backstory is what they do in Jigsaw, revealing that that film's elaborate multi-room game is the first one Jigsaw ever did. And also adding another unseen apprentice, who has been working with him before Amanda or Hoffman or Dr. Gordon, despite the film giving him absolutely no personality or reason for John to feel he's worthy.

Part of me would like them to ultimately do a sequel with that guy (can't remember his name), Dr Gordon and yer man who came up with Facebook with the Winklevoss twins all confused over which of them is meant to be the final Jigsaw successor.

[Goldentony]

hated Macro Pierre White in the orginals, was really glad when he got done in. The commentary for whatever one ends with Gilmore Girls being crushed in a Temple Of Doom style wall closing in trap has him getting into this see through casket filled with glass and the commentary (LISTENED TO IT) goes on about how mad the idea they had for that trap was and you wont fucking believe how weird it is, and then NOTHING

[Noodle Lizard]

Listening to the director's commentary of a SAW sequel is the last panel in the meme or iceberg of your choice. Bravo.

[Clive Dogshit]

I watched this last night I had a blast. Total fucking nonsense of course but then you don't go into a Saw film expecting logic, plot or rational action. Loved that almost the first half of the film was "Jigsaw searches for the Cure for Cancer and comes to term with his own mortality". loved the pointless recaps they kept doing of things you watched ten minutes ago just in case you know, you didn't get that

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it was Shawnee Smith doing the kidnapping

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, nonsensical cartoon villains, the last trap, that blood seesaw. The shit British guy. So fucking stupid. Top stuff. Well worth a few beers and a night in front of the tv but fuck me the scene where

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the girl saws her leg off

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was grim, I felt quite ill.

[Goldentony]

Listening to the director's commentary of a SAW sequel is the last panel in the meme or iceberg of your choice. Bravo.

I can still quote bits of the commentaries, sometimes I do inside my head when I see Cary Elwes on telly, I am embedded inside the iceberg now, "'IVE DAAHHHHN ALL THE ACTING I CAN DOOOOOO!"

[C_Larence]

Over the last couple of weeks I watched the entirety of the series for the first time. Pretty much all I knew beforehand was the  "torture porn" reputation and, unfortunately, the twist at the end of the first movie.

Going in I had low expectations, but I was very pleasantly surprised to discover that there was so much more to them than just cheap gore. If anything, they might be the most plot heavy movies I've ever seen. The only one that I didn't enjoy at all was Saw 3D, which was also the most similar to what I had presumed the franchise would be like, with added misogyny and weirdly pink blood.

Saw X was my favourite of them all. The first 45 minutes are a really gutsy bait and switch because, outside of a short daydreamed trap right at the beginning, there isn't even a hint of horror. Instead we get a slow paced, contemplative medical drama about a sweet natured man finding for a cure for his brain cancer. If this was the first movie you'd seen in the series you'd be forgiven for thinking you'd walked into the wrong screening. The rest of us know that John Kramer is going to die of brain cancer in Saw III, so for almost an hour, as we're forced to watch a heartwarming Hallmark movie, there is an ever growing undercurrent of tension. I think it was an incredibly bold choice and it works perfectly.   

Then, finally, the movie says oh sorry you wanted some blood? Have a woman cheese wiring her own leg off then shoving a tube in it to siphon out her bone marrow before her head gets chopped off mate. Would you like to see a guy doing brain surgery on his own brain and if he doesn't do it right he gets his face melted to death? How about a horrid Scandinavian woman forcing an innocent human child to be water boarded by gallons of blood?

It even has the good sense to only hint at Hoffman's existence until an easily ignorable mid credits scene, where he stinks up the joint immediately. I hate Hoffman and his pouty lips so fucking much.

Overall I would say:

Saw X > Saw = Saw IV >>> Spiral > Saw VI > Saw II > Jigsaw > Saw V > Saw III >>>>> Saw 3D

Saw IV was as confusing as the rest of the sequels, but it had some ridiculously good scene transitions that pushed up my rating considerably. There's one involving a mirror (around 49 seconds into the video below) that I had to rewind and watch at least five times before I could keep watching the movie.

[GoblinAhFuckScary]

Saw X (formerly known as Twitter)

[Spiteface]

Over the last couple of weeks I watched the entirety of the series for the first time. Pretty much all I knew beforehand was the  "torture porn" reputation and, unfortunately, the twist at the end of the first movie.

Going in I had low expectations, but I was very pleasantly surprised to discover that there was so much more to them than just cheap gore. If anything, they might be the most plot heavy movies I've ever seen. The only one that I didn't enjoy at all was Saw 3D, which was also the most similar to what I had presumed the franchise would be like, with added misogyny and weirdly pink blood.

I think that was them trying something to account for the 3D but they didn't do the colour correction properly for 2D versions, hence the pink blood.

[beanheadmcginty]

Anybody else think the little tricycle fella looks like Max Wall?

[colacentral]

Interesting choice to retcon Amanda as a Romulan.

Saw 3D is so bad that it might actually be the best one.

[Queen Peach]

genuine question, do I have to have seen all the saws before watching? I've seen up to 7 and I dunno if I've got two more in me before I watch this.

[Goldentony]

Spiral and the other one are total dogshit so no it's fine, just guess what the films are about and you'll probably be right

[Egyptian Feast]

If you're not sure you could make it through another two, then definitely skip them. They don't have any bearing on the story of Saw X and are indeed total dogshit.

If you must see one, watch Jigsaw as it does tie in with the overall story, but I wouldn't worry about seeing it first, or ever.

[Queen Peach]

watched 3d, dogshite, then X. more dogshite. why am I watching this shite?