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Involuntarily Celibate rebranding

Started by bgmnts, June 30, 2022, 11:09:25 AM

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bgmnts

I was thinking today do we perhaps need a new term for people who are chronically, involuntarily celibate by definition and lifestyle but do not subscribe to any ideology or part of any group.

I was thinking enforced celibacy or involuntarily sexless but they have their own multiple meanings.

The incel movement started with a woman right? It only became subsumed by weirdo men after a while. I don't see why there can't be a support system for men, women and everyone in between who struggle without it descending into hateful misogyny.

Would this actually work? And what new term could be applied to this?

jobotic

Honorary Virgins

(as I described myself throughout my late twenties)

Zero Gravitas

Sexual in Intent

It does sound a bit like a legalistic description of a breathy phone call.

touchingcloth


Mr_Simnock

Involuntary celibate, can anyone truly be that? Makes it sound like you couldn't even procure the services of a prostitute.

and yes 'single' should do

Johnny Yesno


Pink Gregory

Celibacy implies restraint, involuntary restraint sounds like you're being buzzed with a shock collar when you whip it out.

oggyraiding

Chud for the bad incels, and incels for the innocent incels.

MojoJojo

I think if you're defining it around sex, it's probably always going to end up creepy and misogynistic.

Zero Gravitas

I actually heard the phrase somewhere of a sufficient age it shocked me just the other day.

Oh, it was "Bodies" Episode #1.1 (2004)

Des Wigwam

Quote from: Mr_Simnock on June 30, 2022, 11:26:39 AMand yes 'single' should do

I don't think so - a lot of single people are at it like knives. Or one knife at least.

Johnny Yesno

Yeah, single is a marital status. Rubbish.

touchingcloth


Shaxberd

Going through a sexual drought, perhaps?
I think it's probably better for everyone if it's treated as something you experience rather than something you are. Also removing the whole voluntary/involuntary thing like it's being imposed on you by others.

touchingcloth


MojoJojo



Zero Gravitas

Quote from: touchingcloth on June 30, 2022, 11:47:30 AMhttps://incels.wiki/w/Baldcel

Acnecel, Arabcel, Autistcel, Baldcel, Beancel, Blackcel, Chincel, Christocel, Countrysidecel, Currycel, Cutecel, Cybercel, Denialcel, Dickcel, Disabledcel, Earcel, Emcel, Escortcel, Ethnicel, Eyecel, Fakecel, Fatcel, Femcel, Femcel-lite, Framecel, Francel, Gymcel, Haircel, Hapacel, Heightcel, Incompetencel, Intercel, Italiancel, Kinkcel, Lesbocel, Locationcel, Mancel, Manchildcel, Marcel, Medcel, Mentalcel, Mismatchcel, Muslimcel, Nearcel, NEETcel, Noncel, Nosecel, Nymphocel, Oldcel, Persocel, Poorcel, Protocel, PSSDcel, Queercel, Rainbowcel, Ramuscel, Redcel, Ricecel, Semicel, Shycel, Sistercel, Spergcel, Standardcel, STEMcel, Stoicel, Stuttercel, Thincel, Transcel, Truecel, Truefemcel, Turkcel, Uglycel, Voicecel, Volcel, Weebcel, Whitecel, Workcel, Wristcel, Youngcel

IS NO ONE FUCKING!?

Dr Rock

Well due to my chronic pain, I decided to stop looking for relationships as the pain increasingly got in the way (the spinal tap worked for three days btw). I used to say I was Voluntarily Celibate, but I suppose I'm not, I don't have much choice. I don't want a sex worker, I am happy enough on my tod, but I'd be open to some new terminology.

Mr_Simnock



TrenterPercenter

QuoteI don't see why there can't be a support system for men, women and everyone in between who struggle without it descending into hateful misogyny.

What is the support system being proposed here?

The problem with INCELs is the outlook if any new system perceives their celibacy as involuntary then it is going to be problematic, doesn't matter that a woman started it she was aligning her lack of sex to a ridiculous notion.  I don't find the original meaning any less troubling than the modern meaning, you are not celibate involuntarily, you can "volunteer" to have sex if you like, that is in your volition and it is in everyone's else's volition to not have sex with you.

You are not even celibate, celibate means "someone that has sworn to be unmarried", you are not swearing to not have sex, you want sex it's just not happening for you.

Imagine saying I'm involuntary hungry because Greggs won't give you a free pasty.

Zero Gravitas

Quote from: touchingcloth on June 30, 2022, 11:47:30 AMhttps://incels.wiki/w/Baldcel

It reads a lot like bad sci-fi, dense world building spiralling off into medico-technical jargon to support a fictive drama: entertainment.

I'm pretty convinced this is all larping after 4 pages.

touchingcloth

Quote from: bgmnts on June 30, 2022, 11:54:28 AMDon't single people have sex then?

Do we need a term that's based on how much sex someone is or isn't having?

Knowing whether or not my friends are single is useful to some extent - when I got married, all of my single friends got a generic plus one, and anyone in a relationship, or married, or with kids got an invite addressed to all of them. Some of the single ones may have been having just the most enormous amount of sex while some of those with kids might have been having none, and because my wedding reception wasn't (to my eternal regret) a big debauched fuckparty it wasn't information that was relevant to the invite.

Mr_Simnock


Kelvin

Regardless of what you call it, the concept of "involuntary celibacy" is gross, as if the person is entitled to sex, and everyone else is wrong for denying them. Why would anyone want to identify in such a creepy way?

Dr Rock


Mr_Simnock

Quote from: Kelvin on June 30, 2022, 12:01:15 PMRegardless of what you call it, the concept of "involuntary celibacy" is gross, as if the person is entitled to sex, and everyone else is wrong for denying them. Why would anyone want to identify in such a creepy way?

well sadly quite a lot of incels think like that

touchingcloth

I've laughed at incel websites a lot thanks to CaB, but I wasn't prepared for what was behind one of the links on the baldcel page

https://incels.wiki/w/Norwooding


touchingcloth

And do people on CaB tend to agree with Wristcel as a Euphemism for Framecel-Gymcel?

Research has confirmed that frame size (bone thickness and shoulder width) is positively associated with one's level of muscle mass, and that increased bone mass is associated with a more favorable response to resistance training.

One's natural muscular potential (without the use of anabolic steroids, AKA "natty", can be estimated with some degree of accuracy per Casey Butt's formula (which also includes height and ankle circumference).

Maximum Lean Body Mass in Customary (pounds)
(height_in ^ 1.5) * ( sqrt(wrist_in)/22.667 + sqrt(ankle_in)/17.0104 ) * (fat_percentage/224+1)

Maximum Lean Body Mass in Metric (kg)
(height_cm ^ 1.5) * ( sqrt(wrist_cm)/22.667 + sqrt(ankle_cm)/17.0104 ) * (fat_percentage/224+1) * 14.2233433

Maximum Circumference in Metric/Customary inches/cm
chest =  1.6817 * wrist + 1.3759 * ankle + 0.3314 * height
biceps = 1.2033 * wrist + 0.1236 * height
forearms = 0.9626 * wrist + 0.0989 * height
neck = 1.1424 * wrist + 0.1236 * height
thighs = 1.3868* ankle + 0.1805 * height
calves = 0.9298 * ankle + 0.1210 * height