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Title: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: Jim Bob on January 03, 2020, 07:50:12 AM
Jay and Silent Bob Reboot

For those who aren’t aware, this is Kevin Smith’s latest movie; an instalment in Smith’s “Askewniverse” and a direct sequel to Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back.  It’s a movie about fatherhood and a satire of the whole reboot culture which exists within modern Hollywood.

I went into this with immensely low expectations and in some ways, those expectations were met.  However, what surprised me was that there were several scenes of genuine warmth.  It’s a movie of two halves; one moment they’ll be a scene where the characters feel like real people, but said scenes will be immediately followed by some of the worst cringe inducing cartoonish “comedy” this side of Epic Movie.

Seriously, some of the comedic material within this movie is beyond the pale.  I don’t know how Kevin Smith can put his name to this in good conscience.  The movie opens with a chicken restaurant facade named “Cock Smokers” and Kevin Smith (verging on 50, it should be noted) deemed it not only wise to use that awful pun but also to have characters laugh at said pun and proclaim “Cock Smokers! That’s funny!”.  It’s not funny.

Speaking of not funny, there’s also this whole subplot involving “Hater Tots” and a scene with the KKK, who love said “Hater Tots”.  Do you get it?  It’s like tater tots but instead of tater, it’s hater and the KKK hate black people, so they like Hater Tots.  That’s literally the extent of the joke and Kevin Smith runs that joke into the ground as though it were a veritable comedic goldmine.  The worst thing that ever happened to Kevin Smith was weed (Seth Rogen inducted Kevin into regular cannabis smoking during the shoot for Zack and Miri Make a Porno).  The green haze appears to have killed his judgement of what’s good and what should never be put onscreen.

The last act of the movie is the worst part; it simply devolves into an utterly shameless self-indulgent exercise in metaphorical autofellatio.  Kevin Smith plays himself.  You might think this would be an opportunity for self-deprivation, but bizarrely and somewhat sickeningly, Smith instead chooses to paint himself in a positive light, with only minor jabs made at his own expense (for example, his penchant for wearing jhorts).  He also contrives a scenario where he gets to cosplay as Iron Man, via his alter ego Silent Bob.  Moments such as that come across as a 5 year old being given the budget to make a movie and using that money as a means of pure wish fulfilment.

I’m tempted to say that this is the worst movie which Kevin Smith has ever made, but I can’t because I’ve seen Yoga Hosers.  I think that the most frustrating thing about Jay and Silent Bob Reboot is that somewhere within, you can see a decent movie trying to get out.  There are fleeting moments where the movie takes itself and the characters seriously.  Moments where it stops being a cartoon and feels grounded.  In these moments, Smith is able to recapture some of the old magic which made the likes of Clerks and Dogma such endearing yarns.

However any goodwill is quickly undone by a scene of an angry Uber driver hurling Hater Tots at the protagonists, or a cameo by Chris Hemsworth which essentially amounts to “look! I was able to rope a Hollywood star into appearing in my crappy movie!”.  You’ll have those painful scenes but then you’ll have a moment such as the particularly affecting scene involving Holden from Chasing Amy and it almost feels as though the movie is threatening to be half decent.  Sadly though, the weed prevails and squanders any potential with awful puns and jokes unworthy of even a Christmas cracker.

Perhaps it’s time for Silent Bob to put down the bong.
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: another Mr. Lizard on January 03, 2020, 04:25:43 PM
A pal of mine, Dom Burns, was one of the two dozen or so producers on this, and also doubled for Smith as Silent Bob in shots where you only needed to see his elbow or something (he's a not unreasonable lookalike). He had a much more substantial position on the film's companion piece 'Madness In The Method', which I think is far superior - about ten per cent of 'Madness' was shot in Derby, passing itself off as L.A. rather better than you might expect.
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: Jim Bob on January 03, 2020, 07:07:20 PM
A pal of mine, Dom Burns, was one of the two dozen or so producers on this, and also doubled for Smith as Silent Bob in shots where you only needed to see his elbow or something (he's a not unreasonable lookalike). He had a much more substantial position on the film's companion piece 'Madness In The Method', which I think is far superior - about ten per cent of 'Madness' was shot in Derby, passing itself off as L.A. rather better than you might expect.

Huh.  I'll have to check out Madness in the Method.  I had been put off by it because it was directed by Jason Mewes, who's only other film that I've seen is Jay & Silent Bob's Super Groovy Cartoon Movie! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGSfFHrL3xQ), which was truly awful.
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: evilcommiedictator on January 06, 2020, 11:04:27 AM
Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
The worst thing that ever happened to Kevin Smith was weed (Seth Rogen inducted Kevin into regular cannabis smoking during the shoot for Zack and Miri Make a Porno).  The green haze appears to have killed his judgement of what’s good and what should never be put onscreen.

Listening to his podcasts is also woeful, I used to enjoy Edumacation (being the least shitty Marvel-content one) but when he just was high all the time it was just really self-indulgent shite. I can't imagine the other podcasts talking about stuff where he could dribble over it for the duration of the thing
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: Shaky on January 06, 2020, 01:53:11 PM
I got through about 25 minutes of this and, as someone who genuinely welcomes Clerks 3 and even tolerates the idea of a Mallrats sequel, it's absolutely fucking awful so far. The opening sequence is literally people shouting, "Fuck!" at each other multiple times. Christ.
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: madhair60 on January 06, 2020, 02:18:42 PM
Is this "available", then?
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: Jim Bob on January 06, 2020, 05:37:54 PM
Is this "available", then?

It is.  It's a low quality CAM but it's a Kevin Smith movie, so it's not as though you'll be missing out on some glorious sweeping shots and majestic cinematography that you might have otherwise seen in HD.
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: Schnapple on January 06, 2020, 07:24:48 PM
To my surprise, an advert for this popped up when I was streaming free pornography recently. Smith knows his audience.
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: kidsick5000 on January 06, 2020, 07:44:57 PM
I'd love to see that Jonathan Ross review of Clerks 2. Pure vitriol. One or both parties involved have done an incredibly good job in having it disappeared from the internet.
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: magval on January 06, 2020, 08:50:00 PM
I remember that,but only because he insisted on pronouncing it as "Clarks".
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: Jim Bob on January 07, 2020, 12:57:15 AM
I remember that,but only because he insisted on pronouncing it as "Clarks".

Grave.
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: Spiteface on January 07, 2020, 07:02:16 PM
To my surprise, an advert for this popped up when I was streaming free pornography recently. Smith knows his audience.

Fleshlight used to be a sponsor on SModcast. Very on-brand for him.
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: madhair60 on January 07, 2020, 09:59:31 PM
It is.  It's a low quality CAM but it's a Kevin Smith movie, so it's not as though you'll be missing out on some glorious sweeping shots and majestic cinematography that you might have otherwise seen in HD.

For someone who apparently LOVES CINEMA you certainly like to STEAL FROM FILMMAKERS.
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: Jim Bob on January 08, 2020, 12:01:32 AM
For someone who apparently LOVES CINEMA you certainly like to STEAL FROM FILMMAKERS.

I don't love going to the cinema.  I hate going to the cinema.  People ruin the experience by getting their phones out, talking, kicking the back of my seat and loudly eating food.  Furthermore, this movie isn't on general release, so unless one paid through the nose to attend one of Kevin Smith's Q&A tours, its the only way to watch it for now.
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on January 08, 2020, 12:08:49 AM
Cam's keep all of that experience in though, and look shit.
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: madhair60 on January 08, 2020, 09:28:29 AM
I don't love going to the cinema.  I hate going to the cinema.  People ruin the experience by getting their phones out, talking, kicking the back of my seat and loudly eating food.

I agree with this wholeheartedly, but my 90% wilfully stupid post was about love of cinema, not love of going to the cinema.

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Furthermore, this movie isn't on general release, so unless one paid through the nose to attend one of Kevin Smith's Q&A tours, its the only way to watch it for now.

Oh, that's alright then
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: Goldentony on January 09, 2020, 06:03:35 PM
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the movie opens with a chicken restaurant facade named “Cock Smokers” and Kevin Smith (verging on 50, it should be noted) deemed it not only wise to use that awful pun but also to have characters laugh at said pun and proclaim “Cock Smokers! That’s funny!”.  It’s not funny.

I don't want to go to bat for what is easily going to be like watching people die, but this sounds like a 'that's the joke' type moment. It's still not funny, but it sounds like they've just took the piss out of such a crap idea.
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: madhair60 on January 10, 2020, 03:37:46 PM
I don't want to go to bat for what is easily going to be like watching people die, but this sounds like a 'that's the joke' type moment. It's still not funny, but it sounds like they've just took the piss out of such a crap idea.

Yes, it seems like a callback to this from the original

Assistant Director(GWH 2): Okay, you two. Just stand there, and react. Don't say anything!
[Points to Silent Bob]
Assistant Director(GWH 2): Especially you.
Jay: [to Silent Bob] That's pretty funny.
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: oy vey on January 10, 2020, 08:40:02 PM
This thread is way more interesting than the movie. I made it 3/4 the way through and I have no opinion or comment, which is an unusual sensation for an opinionated cunt like me.
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: Jim Bob on January 11, 2020, 12:39:38 AM
This thread is way more interesting than the movie. I made it 3/4 the way through and I have no opinion or comment, which is an unusual sensation for an opinionated cunt like me.

I don’t blame you.  It’s just a thing which exists.  It’s neither worth getting excited about, nor angry about.  It’s just a thing which exists.  Like a flavourless blancmange.  Just sat there, to the interest of nobody.  Sat there, being all pointless and bland.  Not even worth getting annoyed at.  Just a thing which exists.
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: Ham Bap on January 11, 2020, 01:37:20 AM
Think I made it to the end.  Took me 3 attempts to get that far.
I’ll probably give it another chance some time though.

I’ll always love Clerks/Chasing Amy/Mallrats cos I watched them when I was 15-18. They’re a bit good too especially the first 2.
The rest are all piss, but I’ll still watch them. Though I drew the line at Yoga Hosers and Tusk.

As he says in podcasts he doesn’t care what anyone thinks anymore about his films, he just makes what he wants.
That’s fine, I just wish they were good too.

Jason Mewes looks weird in these films too. It’s a bit like watching the DeNiro effects in The Irishman. You’re wondering what’s not right. The best ‘say no to drugs’ advert.

One thing that annoys me is his constant talk about smoking so much weed and being stoned all the time.
I think it was the Scroobyius Pip podcast or Brett Goldstein where he has to mention any time he gets the chance how much he smokes/how stoned he is/was.
Reminds me of fellas at first year at university who make out as if they are the Maradona of smoking weed and have non stop in-depth discussion about the best weed.

He tours these films too and watches them with a couple hundred sycophantic fans who probably whoop and cheer at every in-joke and every shit joke. Every shit in joke. Every shit.

I wish he’d put the bong down and make good films. He probably has it in him somewhere.
I’ll still watch though.
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on January 11, 2020, 03:54:59 PM
I thought this was fucking shit to be honest, I expected some of the jokes to be weak but I thought there'd be some good ones, yet I only laughed twice (once at the awkwardness of Matt Damon's cameo, and once at Ben Affleck's Martha joke) and the serious mawkish elements were boring as shit. The meta Kevin Smith stuff was painful, the whole "If you don't have a dad you're never going to be okay" theme was insulting to single mothers across the world (and lesbian couples too of course), and the casual homophobia made me actively hate it at times. Fuck this movie then, and fuck Kevin Smith, there's no way I'll ever watch anything by him ever again now.
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: Jim Bob on January 11, 2020, 05:56:25 PM
Quote from: Magnolia Fan
I thought this was fucking shit to be honest, I expected some of the jokes to be weak but I thought there'd be some good ones, yet I only laughed twice (once at the awkwardness of Matt Damon's cameo, and once at Ben Affleck's Martha joke) and the serious mawkish elements were boring as shit. The meta Kevin Smith stuff was painful, the whole "If you don't have a dad you're never going to be okay" theme was insulting to single mothers across the world (and lesbian couples too of course), and the casual homophobia made me actively hate it at times. Fuck this movie then, and fuck Kevin Smith, there's no way I'll ever watch anything by him ever again now.

Jay and Silent Bob Reboot is the worst movie I ever saw. Jay and Silent Bob are stupid characters. A couple of stoners who spout dumb-ass catchphrases like a third-rate Cheech and Chong or Bill and Ted. Fuck Kevin Smith. Fuck him up his stupid ass, in a non-homophobic way.
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on January 11, 2020, 07:27:37 PM


Didn't quite get what you're doing there JimBob. I mean I largely agree with it (though more than it's just one of the most boring comedies I've ever watched rather than the worst film ever) but your summary misses out the shittier aspects of the film which is why I disliked it so.
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: Jim Bob on January 11, 2020, 08:52:29 PM
Didn't quite get what you're doing there JimBob.

I was paraphrasing this scene (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NI7As3rOogo&t=1m31s), for humorous effect.  It wasn't a commentary on what you posted (which I happened to agree with).
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on January 11, 2020, 10:08:14 PM
I was paraphrasing this scene (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NI7As3rOogo&t=1m31s), for humorous effect.  It wasn't a commentary on what you posted (which I happened to agree with).

Ah, now I'm with you, I'd managed to forget that scene but remember it now.
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: madhair60 on January 11, 2020, 10:11:48 PM
YOU ARE THE ONES WHO ARE THE BALL LICKERS
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: Ham Bap on January 12, 2020, 12:19:39 AM
I’m watching this again.

You see what yous made me do.

Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: Ham Bap on January 12, 2020, 12:29:07 AM
Why does Kevin Smith keep tapping his phone loudly like that?

To reiterate Jason Mewes looks about 60 in this.
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: JamesTC on January 20, 2020, 11:25:53 PM
I went in with low expectations from what I'd heard. It was a little better than I expected.

The script felt like the first draft. It needed a fair bit more polish. Jokes would regularly go on for a line too long at least. Where the fuck did the KKK stuff come from? And the Russia stuff at the end was several hundred tokes too far.

The girl gang had nothing to them. All just to serve the pointless push for an emotional core which didn't work. I kept expecting some reveal about the gang but no, they were just a group of girls without fathers. Would have been a nice twist if they were secretly an animal liberation group as a twist on Strike Back. Harley Quinn Smith was actually okay though, not as Sofia Coppola as I was expecting.

I would criticise Iron Bob but the quick cutaway to Silent Bob inside the suit made me laugh.

Much as some of the cameos were tiring there were some fun ones. I still evidently fancy Kate Micucci. Val Kilmer made me laugh in just how absurdly bad he looked as Bluntman. Tommy Chong as Alfred was worth it for the line "woah, are we in Black Panther".

I am disappointed in how much Kevin Smith has lost his touch. I remember Clerks II coming out and it just blew me away how he could manage to make such a good sequel (I was 15 at the time). Tusk really was fucking dreadful. At the same time, there is some glimpses of the old Kevin Smith in this which gives me hope for the Clerks III planned.
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: Jim Bob on January 21, 2020, 12:47:29 AM
The girl gang had nothing to them. All just to serve the pointless push for an emotional core which didn't work. I kept expecting some reveal about the gang but no, they were just a group of girls without fathers. Would have been a nice twist if they were secretly an animal liberation group as a twist on Strike Back.

Well, the girl gang are there as a means of satirising the diversity quota of modern Hollywood reboots (a deaf woman, a Chinese woman and a white woman), but I agree that they could have been given something to actually do in the final act, beyond being walking token characters, even if that was the joke.
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: idunnosomename on January 21, 2020, 01:08:24 AM
Grave.
G-arr-v
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: sevendaughters on January 21, 2020, 10:22:51 AM
I remember Clerks II coming out and it just blew me away how he could manage to make such a good sequel (I was 15 at the time).

not dissing you at all but I hold that Clerks II is the most dismal film I've ever seen in my entire life. so bad that it's sad. if that is being held up as a glorious past then I really ought not to see this at all.
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: madhair60 on January 21, 2020, 10:32:24 AM
not seen a lot of films then
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: JamesTC on January 21, 2020, 05:25:45 PM
Well, the girl gang are there as a means of satirising the diversity quota of modern Hollywood reboots (a deaf woman, a Chinese woman and a white woman), but I agree that they could have been given something to actually do in the final act, beyond being walking token characters, even if that was the joke.

The diversity quota stuff had a little bit of pay off with the deaf girl being the only one who could save them.

The gang just needed more to them, much like the gang in Strike Back had. I think the joke is a little undermined by the fact that they are very one-note. Give the gang more motivation and then they actually subvert the expectations of them. It seems strange that they emulated so much (intentionally) from Strike Back but didn't carry on that key aspect.
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: JamesTC on January 21, 2020, 05:26:37 PM
not dissing you at all but I hold that Clerks II is the most dismal film I've ever seen in my entire life. so bad that it's sad. if that is being held up as a glorious past then I really ought not to see this at all.

Yeah, stay away from Reboot.
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: Sin Agog on January 21, 2020, 05:35:07 PM
not dissing you at all but I hold that Clerks II is the most dismal film I've ever seen in my entire life. so bad that it's sad. if that is being held up as a glorious past then I really ought not to see this at all.

Someone's not a donkey fan.


It's a shame this is shite, as K.S. seems way more bearable since he had a heart attack and went vegan.  Guess this is a typical case of a movie which was fun to make but a chore to watch.
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: Enrico Palazzo on January 22, 2020, 08:42:03 AM
Saw a critic say yesterday that it might be the worst film ever made. Keen to see it now.
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: Elderly Sumo Prophecy on January 22, 2020, 11:29:48 AM
(https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2019/11/29/14/kevin-smith.jpg)

Why does Kevin Smith always have that cunty little expression on his face, and why does he continue to dress like a 14 year old boy circa 1992, despite being nearly 50 years old?
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: idunnosomename on January 22, 2020, 02:41:28 PM
it was a reboot of his most successful incarnation after in the 00s when he tried the whole "looking like a greasy college-age nerd who lives in his parents' basement eating cheetos and masturbating to anime despite being nearly 40 years old" look

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c5/KevinSmithCC08.jpg)
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: Elderly Sumo Prophecy on January 22, 2020, 02:52:12 PM
Just pose for the photograph properly you fucking freak. Christ.
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: Jim Bob on January 22, 2020, 04:37:58 PM
Also, if you must insist on wearing your baseball cap backwards, then at least tuck your ears in, you Dumbo looking mother fucker.
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: idunnosomename on January 22, 2020, 05:49:28 PM
At his age I'm surprised he's not placing a bit of lint under the strap to avoid an unsightly impression on his forehead.
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: madhair60 on January 22, 2020, 06:00:01 PM
cunty little expression on his face

it's a smile.
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: Elderly Sumo Prophecy on January 22, 2020, 06:10:58 PM
Is that what they're called? I don't do that. No need.
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on January 22, 2020, 08:07:45 PM
I don't think I could stomach one of his good films these days, let alone one of the bad new ones.
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: idunnosomename on January 22, 2020, 08:33:38 PM
i quite like dogma but maybe it's just Alan Rickman demonstrating angels have no genitals I remember
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: Noodle Lizard on January 22, 2020, 09:08:08 PM
I've not watched this yet, and am kind of dreading it - but I will, out of obligation.

I'm the only person I know who has actually seen Yoga Hosers and it was, without hyperbole, among the worst films I've ever seen - and I've been a Kevin Smith defender more often than not. I know weed and podcasting has seemingly ruined Smith as far as creativity goes, but he's still lucid enough to the point where you'd think he'd have a couple of decent, low-key ideas knocking about, and he certainly has the ability to get them made. If he could make something like Clerks (which I maintain is decent) with $30k of credit card debt in the 90s, I can't figure out why he's incapable of executing an idea like that anymore. Did anyone see Hollyweed, that pilot he wrote/directed/starred in for yet another failed "audience-powerd" startup media company[1] (after it was already rejected by a much bigger one)? It was shite to the nth degree, and I can't imagine he spent more than a day writing it, but even the shitest things take significant time and effort to actually produce. I guess my question is why is he wasting his time on stuff that is absolutely, objectively shit - as even he tends to acknowledge with a couple years' distance?
 1. https://www.rivittv.com/ - says it all
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: colacentral on January 22, 2020, 09:56:21 PM
No Kevin Smith thread would be complete without this:

https://youtu.be/sgWk_nf7QGc
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: sevendaughters on January 22, 2020, 10:57:17 PM
No Kevin Smith thread would be complete without this:

https://youtu.be/sgWk_nf7QGc

when he does the impression of the two Clerks speaking I always lose it
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: Default to the negative on January 22, 2020, 11:04:14 PM
My first time hearing it, fucking hilarious at times.
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: Jim Bob on January 23, 2020, 02:13:45 AM
I'm the only person I know who has actually seen Yoga Hosers and it was, without hyperbole, among the worst films I've ever seen...

As I mentioned in my opening post, I’ve seen Yoga Hosers and yes, it’s absolutely awful.  Easily Kevin Smith’s worst film.  I don’t think there’s even so much as a single redeeming second throughout its entire runtime.

Did anyone see Hollyweed...

Yep.  Saw that too and it was garbage as well.
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: madhair60 on January 23, 2020, 08:45:09 AM
I didn't bother watching Hollyweed because it was called Hollyweed.
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: Misspent Boners on January 23, 2020, 03:08:23 PM
(https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2019/11/29/14/kevin-smith.jpg)

Why does Kevin Smith always have that cunty little expression on his face, and why does he continue to dress like a 14 year old boy circa 1992, despite being nearly 50 years old?

I watched maybe just under half of this new film and I was incredibly distracted and irritated by Bob's constant facial expressions and physical reactions to the dialogue taking place. Yes he doesn't talk so has always responded to things in that way but not to this incredibly hammy and persistent degree; I swear it was always a lot more subtle. And a lot of it is him doing this very face; eyebrows going up and down and pointing enthusiastically at anything being said that he agrees with. I couldn't take my eyes off him lol but only because I wanted to punch him 
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: Shit Good Nose on January 23, 2020, 03:18:37 PM
I watched maybe just under half of this new film and I was incredibly distracted and irritated by Bob's constant facial expressions and physical reactions to the dialogue taking place. Yes he doesn't talk so has always responded to things in that way but not to this incredibly hammy and persistent degree; I swear it was always a lot more subtle. And a lot of it is him doing this very face; eyebrows going up and down and pointing enthusiastically at anything being said that he agrees with. I couldn't take my eyes off him lol but only because I wanted to punch him

It's been said - weed has totally fucked him up.  Go back to the 90s and early 00s and he was always fairly low-key (at least in relative terms) in both his acting and his interviewing.


Apart from Red State (which I thought was massively overrated), I've actively avoided his stuff since Clerks 2 (which I actually still quite like), so I've not yet seen Yogers or Rhino or whatever they're called.  I also famously think Chasing Amy is an absolutely abysmal film, whilst an awful lot of people still think it's his best (that prize, for my money, goes to Mallrats - the most perfect film in the View Askewniverse [IN MY OPINION]).
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: Famous Mortimer on January 23, 2020, 04:24:40 PM
I didn't like Chasing Amy when it came out, and I imagine the years have not been very kind to it.
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: Wet Blanket on January 23, 2020, 04:35:57 PM
Was Kevin Smith really not a dirty stoner until he met Seth Rogan? I though his whole thing was being King of the Slacker Bong Bros well before Rogan even came of age.
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: Shit Good Nose on January 23, 2020, 05:00:28 PM
Was Kevin Smith really not a dirty stoner until he met Seth Rogan? I though his whole thing was being King of the Slacker Bong Bros well before Rogan even came of age.

Not at all.  He was a heavy (VERY heavy) smoker of normal cigs, but rarely (if ever) smoked weed, or took any other drugs.  I think he was light on the booze as well.  He always played the stoner - he was basically just playing Jason Mewes - but never was a stoner himself.

I think the whole Rogen thing has probably been exaggerated - whilst it's true that he started smoking weed with Rogen, I don't think Rogen introduced him to it and he definitely didn't get him smoking the amount he started smoking and has continued to smoke since.  In several interviews since Zac and Miri's failure, he said he turned to weed the same way others would turn to booze, and it also replaced normal cigs which he'd given up just before making Zac and Miri.
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: Wet Blanket on January 23, 2020, 05:39:09 PM
Not at all.  He was a heavy (VERY heavy) smoker of normal cigs, but rarely (if ever) smoked weed, or took any other drugs.  I think he was light on the booze as well.  He always played the stoner - he was basically just playing Jason Mewes - but never was a stoner himself.

I think the whole Rogen thing has probably been exaggerated - whilst it's true that he started smoking weed with Rogen, I don't think Rogen introduced him to it and he definitely didn't get him smoking the amount he started smoking and has continued to smoke since.  In several interviews since Zac and Miri's failure, he said he turned to weed the same way others would turn to booze, and it also replaced normal cigs which he'd given up just before making Zac and Miri.

That's really interesting. I guess it makes sense that you can't actually make a decent stoner film in a fog of pot smoke, in the same way that Paul McCartney points out the Beatles would knock LSD on the head while they were making Sgt Pepper, cos if they were off their tits they wouldn't actually get anything done.
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: Elderly Sumo Prophecy on January 23, 2020, 06:02:04 PM
I'd like to see him take up heroin next. It'll keep the weight down.
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: sevendaughters on January 23, 2020, 06:07:56 PM
I don't hate Chasing Amy despite its aggressively poor sexual politics, occasionally stilted dialogue, dreadful "we've all got to have sex together" ending, and direction.
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: Goldentony on January 23, 2020, 07:23:24 PM
Looking back on Chasing Amy now I feel like i'd involuntarily fold from embarrassment if I tried to watch it again. Mallrats 10th Anniversary DVD was tolerable because of the extras, Clerks is still good, always liked Dogma but fucking Chasing Amy, lads. Every scene I try and remember, fuck about. My days!
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: Misspent Boners on January 23, 2020, 07:32:26 PM
No Kevin Smith thread would be complete without this:

https://youtu.be/sgWk_nf7QGc

Very funny in its relentlessness. Led me to listen to another clip of them talking about a gathering of Juggalos and it was even funnier
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: non capisco on January 23, 2020, 08:58:22 PM
Led me to listen to another clip of them talking about a gathering of Juggalos and it was even funnier

Ah yes, Scharpling with Paul F. Tompkins. I have such fondness for that whole clip. Someone on the old CaB radio played it in full at a time when I was properly wrestling with the blues and it lifted me out of the mire like no-one's business. It's wonderful.

HELICOPTER RIDES! VIOLENT J'S BEACH BOYS BARBECUE BLOWOUT BASH BLAST!

Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: Default to the negative on January 23, 2020, 09:11:18 PM
I'm new to The Best Show, never heard of it until yesterday. Anyone care to recommend a top ten (or however many) list of best episodes/bits?
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: sevendaughters on January 23, 2020, 09:37:51 PM
I'm new to The Best Show, never heard of it until yesterday. Anyone care to recommend a top ten (or however many) list of best episodes/bits?

Rock, Rot, and Rule has to be in there.
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: Misspent Boners on January 23, 2020, 09:42:45 PM
Ah yes, Scharpling with Paul F. Tompkins. I have such fondness for that whole clip. Someone on the old CaB radio played it in full at a time when I was properly wrestling with the blues and it lifted me out of the mire like no-one's business. It's wonderful.

HELICOPTER RIDES! VIOLENT J'S BEACH BOYS BARBECUE BLOWOUT BASH BLAST!

Yep similar; really bad week (admittedly due to my own problems of excess) so it felt good to laugh out loud. Kind of lost traction once they started taking calls I felt but was crying at times. Still chuckling at the thought of wasted rowdy bros in clown makeup queuing up for a go on the helicopter.

Will definitely listen to some of other Best Show stuff on youtube
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: Goldentony on January 23, 2020, 09:44:24 PM
HELICOPTER RIDES WITH MIKE LOVE
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: colacentral on January 23, 2020, 10:44:56 PM
I'm new to The Best Show, never heard of it until yesterday. Anyone care to recommend a top ten (or however many) list of best episodes/bits?

I bumped the main Best Show thread with a response:

https://www.cookdandbombd.co.uk/forums/index.php/topic,21219.660.html
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: Default to the negative on January 23, 2020, 11:06:53 PM
Ah, didn't know there was a megathread about it. Thanks for the reccs, I will make my way through those. +1, etc.

Back on topic: I have downloaded Jay and Silent Bob Reboot and I'm about to watch it RIGHT NOW. I hope you're all as excited as I am. Can't wait to hang out with Kevin and all my View Askewniverse friends again. A big reunion gig with me and my bros from back in the day, gittin' our smoke on. This is gonna be a fucking riot, I'll bet. One for the ages.
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: Noodle Lizard on January 23, 2020, 11:52:27 PM
I watched it last night. Not quite as offensive as Yoga Hosers, but there’s also nothing good I can say about it. A lot of it was annoying. As I think someone else mentioned, Silent Bob’s constant faces - what the fuck was that? It wasn’t Silent Bob, it was just Kevin Smith providing his own version of a reaction track, which made that whole meta-Kevin Smith thing at the end even more redundant. That saccharine shite about a child being like your own reboot was trite and doesn’t really make sense anyway. I don’t think the main premise actually had any resolution, did it?

That all being said, it was more forgettable than outright terrible.
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: Default to the negative on January 24, 2020, 12:02:07 AM
I'm 16 minutes in and it's already getting on my nerves. Word up, I hate how Kev-dawg still think it be fresh to have square white characters speaking in ebonics, yo’.

Tired hack shit that surely breathed its last breath when Weird Al Yankovich did his ‘White & Nerdy’ parody song in… 2006.
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: Misspent Boners on January 25, 2020, 05:02:09 AM
I've had absolutely no incentive to read a blurb let alone watch anything hes done in the last 5 or so years, but reading comments on Reddit about this film last night led me to read the wikipedia plot for his film Tusk...what the actual fuck. Went on to watch some footage and it just seems like the most appalling, notevengoodinadisturbingtackyway piece of rubbish.

The fans on reddit are defending all his more recent films by saying "you gotta understand, Kevs writing films solely for his fans now, and fans of his podcasts who are the only ones wholl get the injokes"... is that something to admire though? Writing and making films to a small niche audience with no wider appeal?
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: Jim Bob on January 25, 2020, 09:10:07 AM
That's really interesting. I guess it makes sense that you can't actually make a decent stoner film in a fog of pot smoke, in the same way that Paul McCartney points out the Beatles would knock LSD on the head while they were making Sgt Pepper, cos if they were off their tits they wouldn't actually get anything done.

Quote from: Cheech Marin
"The fact of the matter is we toured so much we were always straight. Everywhere we'd go, we'd check into the hotel, play basketball, get a massage and then go party afterwards. We'd seen so many of our friends get wasted and turn from really bright, intelligent guys into blithering idiots and we weren't about to do that."

Quote from: Tommy Chong
"We tried [smoking pot whilst filming] one time and we wasted so much film."
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: Jim Bob on January 25, 2020, 09:25:03 AM
The fans on reddit are defending all his more recent films by saying "you gotta understand, Kevs writing films solely for his fans now, and fans of his podcasts who are the only ones wholl get the injokes"... is that something to admire though? Writing and making films to a small niche audience with no wider appeal?

“Writing for his fans” is another way of saying “writing for a group of sycophantic and undiscerning fanboys”.  It’s not a good thing, so it’s laughable that it should be any kind of go-to defence.
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: Default to the negative on January 25, 2020, 09:43:38 AM
“Writing for his fans” is another way of saying “writing for a group of sycophantic and undiscerning fanboys”.

And anyone could defend anything with that excuse.

'I thought that post was pretty shit, to be honest Default.'

'I knew you would. But I wrote it for the fans.'

'What fans? I don't see any fans.'

'No, but - okay, there ARE fans, right.'

'Maybe these "fans" only exist in your mind.'

'Shut up. There are fans. There's a hardcore fanbase here. They're all lapping it up, oh they can't wait for my next one. I must keep making films to appease them.'
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: oy vey on January 25, 2020, 10:07:46 AM
There's writing for your fans and there's writing for past fans of previous work. Not the same thing I think. You can't keep shoveling the same shit decade after decade. I think if Smith did legitimately move onto greater things (maybe a hit tv show or well directed serious movies) he would have better license to drop back into J&SB now. This stoner comic book drift through his career means new J&SB isn't "new". It's beyond tired. There isn't a word for it. Watching the reboot felt like I was back in a school disco thinking what the fuck an I doing back here? Yeah I liked it when I was a kid but it's fucking weird now.
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: Default to the negative on January 25, 2020, 10:16:12 AM
There's writing for your fans and there's writing for past fans of previous work.

In the case of Kevin Smith, they are both the same thing. He's coasting on the goodwill of a film he made 26 years ago.
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: oy vey on January 25, 2020, 10:34:01 AM
In the case of Kevin Smith, they are both the same thing. He's coasting on the goodwill of a film he made 26 years ago.

That's one hell of a coast but yeah he must still have fans. I should say I liked Clerks 2, because he moved the characters on - finding real love, investing in the business you were dicking about in, etc. It also looked nice - almost professional. Then back to shite. Just my opinion.
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: Jim Bob on January 25, 2020, 10:43:06 AM
I should say I liked Clerks 2, because he moved the characters on - finding real love, investing in the business you were dicking about in, etc. It also looked nice - almost professional.

Indeed, the donkey sex show was very professionally shot.
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: oy vey on January 25, 2020, 10:43:56 AM
Indeed, the donkey sex show was very professionally shot.

Christ I forgot about that one, thanks Jim.

Edit: Stolen from early Tom Hanks comedy Bachelor Party: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZKJHk-vpzY
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: Elderly Sumo Prophecy on January 25, 2020, 11:44:23 AM
Does he still put references to 70's stuff that nobody cares about anymore in his films?
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: Jim Bob on January 25, 2020, 12:42:55 PM
Does he still put references to 70's stuff that nobody cares about anymore in his films?

I don't remember any references to 70's stuff, but Keith Coogan makes an appearance and it's unironically treated like it's a big deal that Smith managed to get him to appear.  Don't know who Keith Coogan is?  Neither did I until Jay says something to the effect of "holy shit! Keith Coogan! From Don't Tell Mom the Babysitter's Dead!".  Mother fucker hasn't been able to land a role in literally 7 years.
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: Default to the negative on January 25, 2020, 12:55:31 PM
There was a time when they spoke of Kevin Smith as a peer of Tarantino. They both came up around the same time. But their careers went in opposite trajectories. If a hasbeen stars in a Tarantino film, it's a stepping stone to the comeback. If they star in a Kevin Smith film, it's a mark of shame.
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: SteveDave on January 25, 2020, 01:03:46 PM
I watched this last night and mildly enjoyed it as someone who used to listen to about 4 Smodcast podcasts each week. The first 15 minutes were like an endurance test but it got better when Earl (and then Matt Damon) turned up. It all fell to pieces at the Comic-Con and then dragged itself over the finish line. It felt a little bit like what Smith said Clerks 3 would be (from what I can remember).

Jeff Anderson was noticeable by his absence.
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: Jim Bob on January 25, 2020, 01:09:22 PM
Jeff Anderson was noticeable by his absence.

Yeah, he and Smith had a falling out, but they recently patched things up, which is why Clerks III is back on the cards.
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: Carpool Dragon on January 26, 2020, 01:22:14 AM
No Kevin Smith thread would be complete without this:

https://youtu.be/sgWk_nf7QGc

Or this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_qTvY9uKDE).
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: sevendaughters on January 26, 2020, 09:34:55 AM
That's one hell of a coast but yeah he must still have fans. I should say I liked Clerks 2, because he moved the characters on - finding real love, investing in the business you were dicking about in, etc. It also looked nice - almost professional. Then back to shite. Just my opinion.

the characters were in exactly the same position: Dante not supposed to be here today/at all and feeling like he should be better, Randall happy to be there and nihilist, both bickering about pointless pop culture, dunking on other workers and customers, obsessed with outre sex. And it looked like absolute DOG SHIT!
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: oy vey on January 26, 2020, 10:09:56 AM
the characters were in exactly the same position: Dante not supposed to be here today/at all and feeling like he should be better, Randall happy to be there and nihilist, both bickering about pointless pop culture, dunking on other workers and customers, obsessed with outre sex. And it looked like absolute DOG SHIT!

Well I wouldn't argue vigorously for the films merit but I do think it's his better effort. The characters started the way you say but resolved somewhere more mature.

Can we all agree there should never be a Clerks 3? Not that I feel strongly what Smith does with his career tbh. I'm Smith-fatigued.
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: evilcommiedictator on January 27, 2020, 12:24:52 PM
I enjoyed half of the camoes and the in-jokes, but fell asleep whenever it was daughter time in the plot, I understand it is the point of the Movie but bugger me, I'm invested in five movies worth of jokes and bullshit. Also kinda meta at the end, which felt like the final 37th cock before giving up on giving a shit about this
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Post by: Famous Mortimer on January 27, 2020, 10:52:50 PM
I watched this last night and mildly enjoyed it as someone who used to listen to about 4 Smodcast podcasts each week. The first 15 minutes were like an endurance test but it got better when Earl (and then Matt Damon) turned up. It all fell to pieces at the Comic-Con and then dragged itself over the finish line. It felt a little bit like what Smith said Clerks 3 would be (from what I can remember).

Jeff Anderson was noticeable by his absence.
Just remembered where you got your username from, so that is even more damning.
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: Ham Bap on January 30, 2020, 12:42:32 AM
How do you know you’re really talking to Kevin Smith?
He’ll remind you within 5 seconds that he smokes joints now.

https://twitter.com/latenightseth/status/1222630496070459396?s=21
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: Jim Bob on January 30, 2020, 12:52:00 AM
How do you know you’re really talking to Kevin Smith?
He’ll remind you within 5 seconds that he smokes joints now.

https://twitter.com/latenightseth/status/1222630496070459396?s=21

I used to allow weed to represent my personality and did things like wear T-shirts with pictures of cannabis leaves on them, when I was 18.  Kevin Smith is almost 50.  50!
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: idunnosomename on January 30, 2020, 01:13:27 AM
well it's legal now and it helps his joint pain
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: Elderly Sumo Prophecy on January 30, 2020, 01:52:23 AM
How do you know you’re really talking to Kevin Smith?
He’ll remind you within 5 seconds that he smokes joints now.

https://twitter.com/latenightseth/status/1222630496070459396?s=21

Reminds me of that Doug Benson cunt. I saw about 15 minutes of one of his Netflix things, and he seems to think that the fact that he smokes the skunkweed is enough. He doesn't have to be interesting, or talented, or funny, or anything else at all, he smokes weed y'all. Just reminds me of the sort of bores I'd hang around with when I was smoking rather a lot of it in my teens and twenties. Doug Benson is almost 60.  60!
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: Jim Bob on January 30, 2020, 03:31:28 AM
well it's legal now and it helps his joint pain

Aye, that’s grand.  I’m not suggesting that he shouldn’t smoke weed.  I’m 37 and I still smoke a couple of times a week.  My point is that Kevin Smith is a drug bore.  It’s all he ever talks about, as though it’s somehow incredibly interesting that he smokes weed.  It’s the attitude towards weed that a lot of teenagers have.  The whole weed culture thing.  It’s unbecoming for a 50 year old to be incessantly harping on about his favoured vice, just as it is for him to be wearing jhorts and a backwards baseball cap.
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: Ham Bap on January 30, 2020, 04:44:59 PM
No doubt in Clerks 3 Randal and Dante will be running a weed shop.
I mean.. https://www.instagram.com/p/B24gCSQgjGx/?igshid=1jmzkxv9tke9q
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: Famous Mortimer on January 30, 2020, 05:48:51 PM
Doug Benson is almost 60.  60!
Fuck me, you're right and all
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: sevendaughters on January 30, 2020, 10:24:23 PM
watched this and no exaggeration this might be the least I have enjoyed a film. I distinguish that from 'worst film ever' because there are more inept and objectionable films, though it is inept and objectionable. my brain was crashing like Windows 95 trying to open a pdf of the Chilcot Report.
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: idunnosomename on January 30, 2020, 10:51:13 PM
Aye, that’s grand.  I’m not suggesting that he shouldn’t smoke weed.  I’m 37 and I still smoke a couple of times a week.  My point is that Kevin Smith is a drug bore.  It’s all he ever talks about, as though it’s somehow incredibly interesting that he smokes weed.  It’s the attitude towards weed that a lot of teenagers have.  The whole weed culture thing.  It’s unbecoming for a 50 year old to be incessantly harping on about his favoured vice, just as it is for him to be wearing jhorts and a backwards baseball cap.
oh i know people going on about weed as counter culture are the worst, even more so now. but i was making an old joke. because haha manchild is 50 this year
Title: Re: Jay and Silent Bob Reboot
Post by: Elderly Sumo Prophecy on January 31, 2020, 12:36:42 AM
No doubt in Clerks 3 Randal and Dante will be running a weed shop.
I mean.. https://www.instagram.com/p/B24gCSQgjGx/?igshid=1jmzkxv9tke9q

What's going on with Jay's teeth? I'm aware of his drug abuse history which affected his teeth, but he looks like he's got fangs in. It's like he's got dentures in but they're pushed too far up against his palate, so only little bits of his upper teeth are exposed.

I'm obsessed with celebrity teeth now. Damn you Cowell.