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Graham Linehan Episode XVIII: Help Me Elon Muskenobi, You're My Only Hope

Started by Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse, May 03, 2022, 09:56:56 PM

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Ex_GC

Beta male. Says it all really

And LOL at the idea that Staniland reads feminist analysis. Her feminism is a sham

Quote from: Kankurette on May 07, 2022, 09:25:19 AMChrist Staniland is stupid. Her go-to response for everything is 'is it because I is a woman?'

Been watching that The Dropout on Disney+ and the way she kept cynically throwing out 'aS a WoMaN iN tEcH...' every time to avoid actually answering questions was heavily reminiscent...

wobinidan

Quote from: retsuza on May 07, 2022, 10:19:11 AMHe (Matt Walsh) has "Theocratic Fascist" in his bio and it's meant to be a joke


It's not a joke at all, these Republican commentators are fascists. I think people in America are scarily complacent about just how far-right they are.

wobinidan

I don't feel like linking to it but there is a news story from Georgia where a trans schoolgirl was banned from using the women's toilets. Given the general hostility, she stopped going to the school. The school reported her truant and sent the police to her house to arrest her.

There's video of the police making the arrest, I haven't seen it and I don't intend to. It's just very worrying. I hope that the EU will consider granting some trans people from the US refugee status in the near future, if (when) things get worse.


Dr Rock

Bailey Report
https://medium.com/@notCursedE/allison-bailey-i-do-not-identify-as-a-lesbian-i-am-a-lesbian-455eaea22160

Quote from: Gemma StoneAllison Bailey: "I do not identify as a lesbian, I am a lesbian"
This nonsense phrase was said, rather triumphantly, during her tribunal as a means to justify an objection she had with language being used on a document regarding supporting LGBTQIA+ lives.

The Allison Bailey tribunal has, so far, been rather disastrous for the anti-trans crowd in my humble and non-legally binding opinion. Admin issues, complaints about pronouns in usernames in the chatroom and bundle nonsense aside; it really does not appear to me that the evidence to support her claims is being met. Which as you can imagine, is bad.

For example, we started the tribunal with witnesses from Fair Play For Women, Women's Place UK and FiLiA — (yes, the same three groups invited to the Women's and Equalities Select Committee to explain their opposition to GRA reform). They were tasked with defending their witness statements and specifically the bits that said; "women and/or lesbians are more likely to be gender critical".

This is important because if its true that women are more likely to be gender critical then it would support the claim of indirect discrimination based on sex and sexuality, which is what Bailey alleges happened. However the barristers supporting the defendants, Garden Court Chambers and Stonewall UK, were very quick to shut this idea down. Not only citing polls which disprove that anti-trans views are more common amongst women, such as one by YouGov, which aren't hampered by the selection bias of dedicated anti-trans groups. But also with a thorough cross-examination of supporting evidence too.

Barristers found that none of the groups had any data which they could provide to support the claim they had made. They do not survey their guests for their sex, gender identity, sexuality or even check to see if they believe in the gender critical views being attributed to them for merely attending an event or following a Twitter account.

At best the claim these groups could have supported would be that "people who attend our meetings are more likely to be women based on observation, not data." But that isn't what they wrote as part of their witness statement and would not support the legal claim to indirect discrimination Bailey has made.

Bailey's evidence has been no better either. Large parts of her claim rest on her belief that events took place with no proof or evidence to back up that they actually did. Including essentially her entire claim that Stonewall and staff from her chambers were acting in cahoots to oust her.

Some of my favourite parts have included; referring to Stonewall UK's Diversity Champions Scheme as a "criminal protection racket", saying with her full chest that she — as a criminal barrister, no less — knew the severity of accusing someone of coaching people to coerce young lesbians into sex they do not want. Yet she did it anyway, only to then walk that back slightly saying what she meant by coercion was "encourage". Also the fact that she has absolutely no evidence that supports the claims she makes about what the 'Cotton Ceiling' talk in Canada was about, because she wasn't there and neither was anyone she knows.

We also have Bailey claiming that she was being "respectful" while referring to this woman, who she accused of coercion, as "male-bodied" for being transgender. Though I'm not particularly sure how as this term "male-bodied" originates from within transphobic organising, specifically its used as a means of arguing for our exclusion from women's spaces. Not to mention the fact that without any acquaintance, friendship or relationship with this individual; its just rude as all heck to talk about their body like, at all, let alone within specific transphobic framings.

And yes, the "I do not identify as a lesbian, I am a lesbian" bit was comedy gold, but a very poor legal defense. Transphobes have spent so much time in their echo chambers riling each other up about transphobia they have forgotten how normal people speak to each other. The word "identify" has been twisted out of shape to mean and imply something it simply does not; "I am a lesbian" is the act of identifying oneself to be a lesbian. That's all there is to it.

There is obviously still a lot more to go, with witnesses for the defendant needing to be cross-examined and re-examined and all sorts of other tribunal-y stuff. Usually I wait until the end of hearings to report on them, that way I can just cover it all and the result in one piece, but with how much media attention this one is grabbing I figured I'd take a slice

Kankurette

Quote from: retsuza on May 07, 2022, 10:19:11 AMAnd she KNOWS Matt Walsh is a "women belong in the kitchen" type who has misogyny baked deeply into his very being. He has "Theocratic Fascist" in his bio and it's meant to be a joke but everything he says confirms that really is how he thinks, like a racist who makes a lot of edgy "jokes" (conveniently only jokes if someone calls them out on them).

Like for fucks sake he's going around saying shit like this:


But Staniland thinks the true misogyny is pointing this out because apparently the issue here is she's a woman. To borrow a phrase she likes to use "this is not a serious person".
Yes, that's exactly how the justice system works. Dickhead. Not to mention that the mother will constantly be reminded of the rape, and/or the baby will grow up knowing they were a product of rape.


retsuza

Quote from: Better Midlands on May 07, 2022, 10:23:51 AM

Can't really blame her for what her thick as shit fans say, but I am loving the irony of this.

For the unaware the whole alpha/beta distinction is from a
study on wolves that was later discredited
, the methodology wasn't good, and the concept of an alpha male in wolves is not actually a thing at all.

Feminist analysis is when you use toxic masculinity buzzwords from something nearly completely made up.

ETA: ah, didn't notice it was actually retweeted by Staniland. You're a really fucking bad Feminist, penislady

retsuza

Quote from: wobinidan on May 07, 2022, 10:48:16 AMIt's not a joke at all, these Republican commentators are fascists. I think people in America are scarily complacent about just how far-right they are.

Agreed I just mean to say he's doing this obnoxious thing of pretending it's a joke.

So I'm going to be a little bit obnoxious too and post a Jean-Paul Sartre quote that I think is relevant:

"Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past."

Ex_GC

Even if the study wasn't discredited it's still telling they think like that. 'Beta males' are less dominant and weak in their eyes and 'alpha males' are strong and powerful. Aren't they supposed to be gender critical? Instead they're saying that if a man isn't the leader of a pack, he's a lesser or 'beta' male

Kankurette

I also hate the alpha/beta/sigma/mu/whatever shit. Always used to put men down for not being Big Macho Manly Men. So gender critical. Also, we're not wolves.

Retsuza, the Sartre quote describes Staniland, Nicholson, JKR etc. to a tee. They know exactly what they're doing.

JamesTC


Again, more culture war bollocks that doesn't belong in an employment tribunal.

It will essentially come down to 'has this woman been bullied on the grounds of a protected characteristic?', and all they need to show is that she hasn't. Whether that's other lesbians in the same place who have no beef with stonewall/the employer, or an argument that it's always policy to investigate complaints over social media posts.

Her witness statement needs an extensive history of her time in San Francisco no more than my pro/anti Israel example needs diary extracts from the frontline of the IDF.

To further illustrate the point, here's an anecdote:

A pal of mine represented a worker who had lost all his bonuses and enhancements for telling a boss to fuck off. He raised a grievance/appeal, and in the meeting my mate's presence wasn't even acknowledged. No brew, no hellos from the HR goblins. He let them run the meeting like a boxing exhibition match for 30 minutes then said:

'I'm getting up to leave now. Mr Whatever tells me that the same manager three months ago called him 'a fucking black baboon' and when he raised it as an issue was told it was 'just banter'. So what I'm seeing here is a clear comparative case of unfavorable treatment on the grounds of his race. You're going to invite me back in two weeks, and in that meeting you're going to tell me all the measures you have taken to address this'.

Two weeks later he comes back to the red carpet treatment. The bloke in question is back to where he was on the pay scales, and all the disciplinary action is overturned. Maybe there's even a commitment to some equality training.

The bloke then goes to an employment solicitor who hears the above and sees pound signs. Clear case of racial discrimination - uncapped award at the ET. He goes through with it, loses entirely, and the reason is 'why have you brought this to us? This was dealt with in that meeting'. Lad carries on working there for a bit and the HR goblins contrive a way to retaliate down the line and sack him. A history of racial inequality, the claimant's life story etc, not relevant. There is a racial aspect to this, but not any more so please get over it and stop trying to interfere with the generation of profit.

I've not read her entire document because it's enormous and takes about 60 paragraphs to get to her talking about the place she's working at. There may be bullying in there. It may be a dreadful place to work. She may have decent evidence that she has been told her views are not comparable with the values of the carphone warehouse. But when it comes down to it if she's said something that people there find objectionable, then I feel the tribunal is going to back up the employer in their right to enforce their own policies.

Of course if someone is going to read it and tell me she's suffered greater detriment than being asked to attend a meeting then by all means show me. Equally, if there is a hostile environment for other reasons she might win on that front, but again that says nothing about the ideological winners in an external debate.

-END-

Poobum

The dangerous stupidity of "I don't identify as a lesbian, I am a lesbian" stuff. Is this suggesting they believe there's a biological basis for homosexuality? Are they prepared to follow their "biological reality" arguments to qualify for the legal protections under the law for homosexual people? Am I just paranoid in thinking about these kind of implications and what they could lead to?

grainger

My child attends a weekly rock music workshop where the students range from 12-19 years of age. Oh, the horror!

grainger

The stupidity and ignorance of the GCs is staggering. Stupidity, ignorance and obsession make for a frightening combination.

Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse

Quote from: Kankurette on May 07, 2022, 11:14:52 AMYes, that's exactly how the justice system works. Dickhead. Not to mention that the mother will constantly be reminded of the rape, and/or the baby will grow up knowing they were a product of rape.
Now add the physical damage childbirth can do to a child's little body on top of all the mental and emotional trauma. But then when you're a right-wing regressive who sees women as only good for one thing, that's easily brushed aside.

dontpaintyourteeth

I don't know if this is an appropriate place to stick my nose in, but I've been lurking here for ages reading all the glinner threads so it seemed like I should just bite the bullet and register. Anyway you lot have done a grand job keeping up with this evil cunt. Hats off. Couldn't have done it myself. Had to leave twitter because of how TERFy it has become.

typeforty

https://ibb.co/0Bct6Hq (I can't get it to embed)

Given Morris' aversion to things like interviews and social media, this is a very easy claim for Linehan to make, safe in the knowledge it'll never be confirmed or denied. Awkward if true, mind.

QDRPHNC

Here you go:



Can't say for sure Graham is lying of course, but... you know.


Quote from: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on May 07, 2022, 02:01:13 PMNow add the physical damage childbirth can do to a child's little body on top of all the mental and emotional trauma. But then when you're a right-wing regressive who sees women as only good for one thing, that's easily brushed aside.
Yet another first time poster here, and just posting to thoroughly agree. In this example the girl isn't a human in her own right, but a thing to be used to prove the guilt of a man. Like some kind of real-life tv trope.

My Mum brought me and my siblings up around feminism, she worked with DV survivors for most of my childhood, and she's always perplexed at the anti-trans angle. Of course she's also a socialist which may be the key, it's the opposite of solidarity


Ex_GC

Bit cheeky of Graham to speak on behalf of someone else

My theory is that Graham has spoken to him, told him the 'peak' stories etc and Chris has just nodded in the way that people do to not engage when someone goes off on a conspiracy rant. This is taken as 'he gets it'

Pimhole

Yeah, I've wondered before whether BC using his sock to needle Jo Unwin into saying something was an indication that he already knew she was GC. And honestly it wouldn't surprise me at all, she is of an age and a social class where she would totally fit into that sort of ladder-pulling type of feminism. Same social circle as a lot of them too.

And that doesn't necessarily mean that Chris Morris is too, but does make it more likely. I don't think I'd give a fuck if he was tbh. He's old and past it, and it's an old and past it position.

But what is also very likely is, as Ex_GC says, he was just appeasing a ranting nutjob.


jobotic

If he knew Morris was a bananarist he'd have used it as a stick to beat this site with.

Quote from: dontpaintyourteeth on May 07, 2022, 02:27:07 PMI don't know if this is an appropriate place to stick my nose in, but I've been lurking here for ages reading all the glinner threads so it seemed like I should just bite the bullet and register. Anyway you lot have done a grand job keeping up with this evil cunt. Hats off. Couldn't have done it myself. Had to leave twitter because of how TERFy it has become.
Quote from: Graveside Haven on May 07, 2022, 02:43:56 PMYet another first time poster here, and just posting to thoroughly agree. In this example the girl isn't a human in her own right, but a thing to be used to prove the guilt of a man. Like some kind of real-life tv trope.

My Mum brought me and my siblings up around feminism, she worked with DV survivors for most of my childhood, and she's always perplexed at the anti-trans angle. Of course she's also a socialist which may be the key, it's the opposite of solidarity

Welcome! I remember joining near the tail end of thread 10 and naively thinking there was nothing left to talk about. The man knows no depths.

Ex_GC

And welcome to the new members! I'm relatively new myself and have found the commentary hilarious (not bad for a site of so-called failed comedians, according to GL) and insightful

dontpaintyourteeth

Quote from: Ex_GC on May 07, 2022, 03:08:31 PMAnd welcome to the new members! I'm relatively new myself and have found the commentary hilarious (not bad for a site of so-called failed comedians, according to GL) and insightful

Yes, totally agree. This site has been a very useful counter to other, more deranged, places eg prosecco stormfront