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Ricky Gervais: SuperNature

Started by Blue Jam, July 29, 2018, 02:09:02 PM

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Barry Admin

Quote from: Kelvin on May 24, 2022, 11:42:17 AMBo Burnham's Inside was the best comedy show I've watched in years, and that was arguably "woke comedy", stuff about being problematic, privileged etc. Sets the bar far higher than these outdated pub bores.

EDIT: Actually, Bazza, I can't remember from the Inside thread whether you said you had watched it, but you will love that show if you haven't. It's like a ticklist of Barry Admin comedy favourites.

Thanks Kelvin, I'll try and watch that.  I hadn't seen the first couple of minutes of this James Acaster bit, I really like what I've seen of him :-)


Oh wow just seen your edit.  I'll get to it, thank you.

checkoutgirl

Quote from: Barry Admin on May 24, 2022, 11:36:27 AMAnd where is this "woke comedy"? 

Hannah Gadsby? Although calling it comedy is probably pushing it a bit. After the Michael Richards incident the comedy club banned certain words.

One man's "comedy has moved on" is another man's "woke comedy".

amputeeporn

I used to really like funny comedy.

somersetchris

Quote from: BritishHobo on May 24, 2022, 09:11:08 AMThis is what gets me about Ricky. I wouldn't doubt that he's pro-immigration and would think that sentiment is stupid; but he seems completely blind to the fact that he's cultivated an audience of people who would think exactly that.

I saw him live in about 2017, when he led with the Caitlyn Jenner stuff. Immediately regretted it, the most boorish crowd I've ever been a part of. People behind me were chucking pints around before the show even started, there was a river of beer underneath the seats throughout, and that was at the Hammersmith Apollo.

He probably tells himself the jokes are all ironic but when you talk about cancel culture and saying the unsayable that's playing pretty hard to a right wing audience that might well watch his stuff and nothing else because it's all lefty liberal snowflakes and you can't say anything these days.

He's currently trending on Twitter, so have a look if you dare and see the kind of opinions his audience express.

idunnosomename

Honestly think Chubby Brown has more variety craft in his delivery than this. Maybe even Jim Davidson(!). This isnt even shocking, as its so fucking predictable. He's only saying it because he knows conservatives will force themselves to laugh at it

franticplanet

Quote from: Barry Admin on May 24, 2022, 11:47:18 AMThanks Kelvin, I'll try and watch that.  I hadn't seen the first couple of minutes of this James Acaster bit, I really like what I've seen of him :-)


Rather pointedly, Robin Ince tweeted out this very clip earlier.

Quote from: Robin InceJust watching James Acaster again - this is such a great opening to a show - a blasted genius who should make us all up our game

Feels like a lot of comics these days are desperate to have an Eddie Murphy "girls kiss gay friends and come home with AIDS on their lips!" style clunkers they'll be shifting uncomfortably in their seats over during future interviews.

somersetchris

Quote from: franticplanet on May 24, 2022, 12:36:55 PMRather pointedly, Robin Ince tweeted out this very clip earlier.

Feels like a lot of comics these days are desperate to have an Eddie Murphy "girls kiss gay friends and come home with AIDS on their lips!" style clunkers they'll be shifting uncomfortably in their seats over during future interviews.

Gervais's 'I identify as a chimp' has got to be up there, although there are so many lazy 'I identify as X/Y/Z' jokes that it might get lost in the mire.

Egyptian Feast

Watched with the sound off. The last two subs summed it all up: *minute of no-joke hack shit* [Ricky laughing] [audience cheering and applauding]

SteveDave



The Bumlord

Always stunned by those Seona Dancing pics. A warning from history about the dangers of a largely cheese based diet.

amputeeporn

Quote from: damien on May 24, 2022, 01:00:16 PMHadn't seen this Frankie Boyle clip before, fabulous stuff

https://twitter.com/Saedraverse/status/1528040319056588800

The Fred Astaire line got me - too true.

Des Wigwam

Quote from: idunnosomename on May 24, 2022, 10:55:52 AMcontroversy and offense aside, this is fucking piss poor. Its just the sort of thing any alt-right cunt on twitter would say. Hahaha pronouns!!! Hahaha RAPE

Really heavy on the Stewart Lee mannerisms there. I would go so far as to say that he thinks he's doing a Stewart Lee bit except he's just doing a Jim Davidson / Chubby Brown routine. I liked his emphatic "...what if she ..." bit except for it being cruel, unintelligent, and shallow. Would have been worth it put some thought into the target. I saw Kiri Pritchard-Maclean do about 15 minutes on a similar subject (obvs the mirror of the position that Gervais takes) but with intelligence and compassion - it still had swearing in it and was unflinching - but it was funny and made you think.

Quote from: Barry Admin on May 24, 2022, 11:36:27 AMPoor old Louis CK, couldn't just say sorry and then be allowed to move on.
Except he's touring again isn't he, so I'm not sure what Gervais is on about. 

And where is this "woke comedy"? 

That whole thing about him just putting his tweets out there again and again to double down just shows how deluded he is. Has he ever had a hard target? Religion doesn't count - his target is too diffuse.

I do think though that he might be in danger of making his audience solely full of people who he despises - or professed to despise back in the Extras days. I would be surprised if any of his now-respected former colleagues will want anything to do with him. It's a lot more now than just defending a supposed back-lash over a carefully thought out traveller joke (cf. Jimmy Carr).

Also as Barry says - where are these woke comedy clubs? Seriously, is there a precedent of having to sign a contract not to do material that will offend? That does sound like utter bullshit and if it is then shame on him for peddling blatant lies.

Martin Van Buren Stan

Quote from: damien on May 24, 2022, 01:00:16 PMHadn't seen this Frankie Boyle clip before, fabulous stuff

https://twitter.com/Saedraverse/status/1528040319056588800

That routine is almost as weak as Ricky's, though. I've seen dozens of variations of "identify as a comedian". And pretending slagging off Gervais can harm his career? Ugh. Brave little Frankie!

And most importantly Boyle has a long history of transphobia too* but he saw how contentious it was becoming and did a volte face.



*literally dozens of mentions on this forum over several years

https://forum.transgenderzone.com/viewtopic.php?t=2802#.YozMI1nTXqs

Old Thrashbarg

Quote from: Martin Van Buren Stan on May 24, 2022, 01:17:54 PMAnd pretending slagging off Gervais can harm his career? Ugh. Brave little Frankie!

That's not quite what happened in that clip. He made a self-deprecating joke about his own best days being behind him.

Ferris

Quote from: The Mollusk on May 24, 2022, 09:44:11 AMYeh it's deffo been said before in these threads (most likely by yourself, really rate your posts highly btw) but it is worth noting/repeating that Gervais has never actively made any effort to set himself apart from these sorts of people. He might be a shit hack comedian but he's not stupid, he obviously knows he's gone too far peddling this "ahh I'm being ironic! Or am I?!" bollocks and cashing in on it hard that he can't bring himself to break away from it.

He could well have used promo spots for After Life as a vehicle for endorsing some serious good in the world - yes, the show itself would still be a dog egg but imagine if he'd gone into interviews saying "the overall message is to be kind, because there's so much hate in the world, so many bigoted racist Brexiteering prejudiced people, and so many marginalised groups, non-white people, non-cisgendered people, non-males even, and if my [unmitigated waves of banal turd] show After Life helps spread just a bit of the message to take time and understand and empathise our fellow humans, well then that's a good thing isn't it?"

But he won't do that. Why would he? He's getting paid a shitload to wheel out the most mawkish, blinkered sentiments, so why rock the boat? Just fucking rake it in Ricky lad, you don't need to try.

I'm not saying After Life is telly for idiots - my mum and my dad are both lovely intelligent sane-minded people and they love it - but a lot of idiots watch it. And then when Ricky gets on stage for another comedy special and starts going off on women with a cheeky wink that's as much saying "Only joking!" as it is saying "But I might as well not be!", it's just chucking logs on what should be a dying fire of idiots cultivating ignorant and hateful opinions.

So thanks for that Ricky.

Absolutely bang on.

Ron Superior

Quote from: Barry Admin on May 24, 2022, 11:36:27 AMPoor old Louis CK, couldn't just say sorry and then be allowed to move on.


Except he's touring again isn't he, so I'm not sure what Gervais is on about. 

And where is this "woke comedy"? 

Genuine question, is this actually true? Are there clubs where the acts have to sign something saying they won't say anything?

And I'm wondering what "woke" comedy Ricky actually tried watching.

QDRPHNC

Quote from: Martin Van Buren Stan on May 24, 2022, 01:17:54 PMThat routine is almost as weak as Ricky's, though. I've seen dozens of variations of "identify as a comedian". And pretending slagging off Gervais can harm his career? Ugh. Brave little Frankie!

And most importantly Boyle has a long history of transphobia too* but he saw how contentious it was becoming and did a volte face.

Or, he realized what he was doing was harmful and used it as an opportunity to mature. I don't know too much about Frankie Boyle, but it seems that being contentious is what he built his career on, so I'm not sure why he wouldn't keep going with the transphobia if that's what he wanted to do.

mr. logic

Ricky's use of swearing really resembles a sad little weakling trying to be 'hard'. It's honestly pathetic.

QDRPHNC

The distance what he thinks he is and what he actually is, is vast.

up_the_hampipe

Quote from: Barry Admin on May 24, 2022, 11:47:18 AMThanks Kelvin, I'll try and watch that.  I hadn't seen the first couple of minutes of this James Acaster bit, I really like what I've seen of him :-)


Oh wow just seen your edit.  I'll get to it, thank you.

James Acaster's Cold Lasange Hate Myself 1999 has quickly become one of my all-time favourite stand-up specials, can't recommend this whole show enough.

Agreed about Inside as well, it's pretty incredible but very different, as you'd expect.

MarkyMark2000

Mr. Gervais, I do not find you offensive. I find you to be nothing short of lazy, dire, repetitive and boorish. To call you offensive would be a compliment as it would mean the ramblings and fake laughter had some sort of register. Pure pish.

McFlymo

Quote from: up_the_hampipe on May 24, 2022, 03:41:21 PMJames Acaster's Cold Lasange Hate Myself 1999 has quickly become one of my all-time favourite stand-up specials, can't recommend this whole show enough.

Agreed about Inside as well, it's pretty incredible but very different, as you'd expect.

Came here to enjoy some Gervais bashing, but watched this last night and yeah: Absolutely loved it! Was quite pleased with Acaster defending trans people and bashing Gervais too. Along with that Nish Kumar bit!

The whole "woke comedy" and "cancel culture" ranting, popular with the right at the moment, is such a bunch of empty bullshit. "Accountability and culturally shifting ideas around ethics, equality and morals, are like, so unfair... WAAH WAAAH WAAAAHHH..."

It's not political correctness going mad, you're just a fucking outdated cunt: Instead of complaining (like a little snowflake), be better!

(this is also why I express anger and sadness at Adam Buxton being a centrist dad...)

Being an ally for minority genders / races etc... It's the absolute bare minimum you can do, for fuck sake. Stop whinging about how it's not like it was in your day. Are y'all paying attention to what is happening in the US regarding abortion rights? How trans rights are being removed in the UK?

... Gervais is a useless fart.

Cold Meat Platter

This anti trans stuff reminds me of the hack shit people would come out with on 'Grumpy Old Men'. Rick Wakeman wanking on about mobile phones, Bill Nighy wanking on about mobile phones, or the stand up of late 90s Jasper Carrot where he wanks on about mobile phones.

McFlymo

Quote from: Cold Meat Platter on May 24, 2022, 05:05:48 PMThis anti trans stuff reminds me of the hack shit people would come out with on 'Grumpy Old Men'. Rick Wakeman wanking on about mobile phones, Bill Nighy wanking on about mobile phones, or the stand up of late 90s Jasper Carrot where he wanks on about mobile phones.

Bill Maher says "We will all be gay in 2054"

The Mollusk

Quote from: McFlymo on May 24, 2022, 04:46:27 PMThe whole "woke comedy" and "cancel culture" ranting, popular with the right at the moment, is such a bunch of empty bullshit. "Accountability and culturally shifting ideas around ethics, equality and morals, are like, so unfair... WAAH WAAAH WAAAAHHH..."

It's not political correctness going mad, you're just a fucking outdated cunt: Instead of complaining (like a little snowflake), be better!

It is literally just "I can't be arsed to change what I'm doing so I will inject another layer of self awareness on the top to make it look intelligent."

That Louis CK shoutout in the video linked a couple pages back is extremely telling. The way he says in a disgruntled offhand way "He's cancelled now isn't he? It's not enough that he apologised" is lacking the veil of faux-but-actually-real outrage he normally plasters over his work that makes him sound like he's exaggerating for comedic effect but obviously really thinks. It's just an old man saying "you can't say anything nowadays". One dinosaur trying to shelter another one from the asteroid.

I wonder how his standup comedy will evolve, even in the short space of the next 3-5 years? How can he invent new ways to say the same old thing? He is quite clearly driving himself to extinction.

JaDanketies

I can't believe that "I'm sorry" isn't enough to get everyone to forget about those sex crimes you did. Poor Louis CK, what with some people still remembering the sex crimes.

McFlymo

Quote from: JaDanketies on May 24, 2022, 05:15:16 PMI can't believe that "I'm sorry" isn't enough to get everyone to forget about those sex crimes you did. Poor Louis CK, what with some people still remembering the sex crimes.

Yeah, thanks for saying this, because I am pretty gobsmacked that a millionaire massively famous guy, can casually excuse a sex offender on stage and no one bats an eyelid. What in the fuck?

checkoutgirl

Quote from: somersetchris on May 24, 2022, 12:41:00 PMGervais's 'I identify as a chimp' has got to be up there

There's a bit in Afterlife where that bloke off Phoenix Nights says he identifies as a 6 year old girl in a gingham dress with ponytails. Same shit premise recycled over and over again.

The Bumlord

He is a fascinating little man. The little glimpses of his younger years on XFM and the podcasts, brought up poor, his parents sleeping in separate rooms and both dying before he got famous, him being on the dole and attempting to make his own trousers from curtains ('because I always thought I could do anything'), all that business.