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Started by ieXush2i, March 08, 2018, 12:12:33 PM
QuoteNo, seriously, why is that their hill to die on? Why is the creator of Black Books afraid of strangers' identities? How does it affect his life in any way?
QuoteOf course, people familiar with Linehan's body of work will not be at all surprised by this. In 2009 he penned a particularly transphobic episode of the IT Crowd called "Fight" in which the character of Douglas Reynholm starts dating a woman. Early on in the episode, she informs him that she is trans, but he mishears her, leading her to wrongly conclude that he accepts her for who she is. For the rest of the episode we see her fulfil numerous male stereotypes such as enjoying action movies and drinking pints of beer which leads Douglas to believe that he has found the perfect woman. The "comedy" concludes with Douglas learning the truth and the titular "Fight" plays out.
QuoteGraham Linehan Retweeted H Brunskell-EvansI was going to stay out of this but fuck it, I can switch off my replies for another few days. This open letter, especially the last few paragraphs that begin "in conclusion", is where I stand on the matter of trans issues.
Quote from: (Ex poster) on March 08, 2018, 12:12:33 PMI didn't know this was an issue Linehan was invested in enough to take the erasure side, but I can't help but wonder if it's all a defensive position he took up in response to criticism from that IT Crowd ep.
Quote from: (Ex poster) on March 08, 2018, 12:12:33 PMThe alarming thing is, he genuinely holds the opinion that trans women aren't real women (and won't respond in good faith when asked if trans men aren't real men) to the extent that this is his pinned tweet:https://twitter.com/Glinner/status/971430912297783297which links to this, an Open Letter from TERF Dr. Heather Brunskell-Evans, who lost her elected position within the Women's Equality Party for her views. What strikes me about her is the similarity to people who claimed they weren't homophobic, but were against same-sex marriage - a homophobic position.
Quote from: DeGrise on March 08, 2018, 12:29:55 PMIf only there was some way of asking him.
Quote from: Captain Z on March 08, 2018, 12:49:53 PMIt gets worse. He once wrote a whole set of a Catholic priest characters who often expressed behaviour that befitted typical stereotypes. It's no wonder you never see that mentioned any more.
Quote from: DeGrise on March 08, 2018, 12:29:55 PMIf only there was some way of asking him.Lots of women have very real and sensible concerns about how self-identifying trans people's rights have been forced together with their own rights. Surely you can see that people could have legitimate concerns about people with penises in women's toilets? Or that self-ID trans women are allowed onto AWS that women have fought for years to get?If the Labour party was serious about trans rights, and about getting trans people into parliament, it could have set up all trans shortlists. But it didn't. And any dissent for this policy has led to exclusion from the party, rather than thinking that perhaps this policy is poorly thought out.Nobody I know that has stood against this is against trans rights. They all believe trans rights are important. It's about how these rights are being implemented.
Quote from: madhair60 on March 08, 2018, 12:51:47 PMThat doesn't appear to be his pinned tweet?
Quote from: (Ex poster) on March 08, 2018, 12:54:37 PMJust checked and it still is, has been for the past 20 hours.
Quote from: (Ex poster) on March 08, 2018, 12:53:16 PMWhat is this sensationalist (and yes, transphobic) nonsense about penises in toilets by the way? Unisex toilets have existed for ages. Akin to "you can't have gays in football/the military because they'll be looking at all the men in the showers" crap of the recent past.
Quote from: (Ex poster) on March 08, 2018, 12:53:16 PMWhat is this sensationalist (and yes, transphobic) nonsense about penises in toilets by the way? Unisex toilets have existed for ages.
Quote from: madhair60 on March 08, 2018, 12:58:36 PMJust read the open letter and yes, I think I agree with her on this. Not sure why it's even a controversial position.
Quote from: jobotic on March 08, 2018, 01:18:48 PMWhat's with all the "so now I have to burn my Father Ted dvds do I? DO I?" replies?Where has (Ex poster) said anything of the sort?
QuoteThe more 'the progressive left' enshrines in its constitutions and policies its belief that transwomen are women, and that boys who do not conform to gender stereotypes are girls, and compels its party members and officials to faithfully adhere, the greater the need for women to resist such authoritarianism and to continue their historical struggles for bodily, intellectual and political freedoms.
Quote from: Twed on March 08, 2018, 01:25:26 PMBecause "somehow"Also "actually things should all just be the way I think they should be, because authoritarianism is bad" when it's other people's authoritarianism.
Quote"There's something very dark going on. People who were male are now in the Women's Equality Party, dictating what the party spokeswoman should say on issues affecting women and girls. You could not write this.The cowardliness of institutional response is more than reprehensible. No one will speak out. Good people are standing back, doing nothing, as others get pilloried.
Quote from: Quote on March 08, 2018, 01:27:10 PMThe IT Crowd definitely existed to be a serious vehicle for Linehan's thoughts on binary sexuality and transgender issues...He sneaked it past us with the superficially comical exterior, in order to air his hateful views on trans people. For shame.
Quote from: Beagle 2 on March 08, 2018, 12:44:13 PMIf you are alarmed that anybody might publicly say things that don't 100% match up with what you believe the 'right' thing to be, you are easily alarmed.
Quote from: bgmnts on March 08, 2018, 01:49:32 PMI think it was just a bit of shit comedy. Move on.
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