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Stewart Lee nearly killed onstage

Started by lazyhour, March 07, 2022, 11:39:28 AM

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Ferris

Any idea of a broadcast date for this?

Vroomo

Quote from: Ferris on May 18, 2022, 12:40:20 AMAny idea of a broadcast date for this?
The press release from the BBC just said:
Snowflake and Tornado (2 x 60) will be available to watch on BBC Two and BBC iPlayer later this year.
You'd guess Autumn.

Sonny_Jim

Just looking at Plagiarists corner on his website (now updated with Ricky Gervais) and noticed this:




Genuine mistake or actually-a-clever-joke-aaaaah?

Ferris

The whole section is a mix of in-character over the top pomposity and seriousness and you have to determine what it all means. Similar to his "pedestal/pedal bin" list that got mr linehan so worked up a month or two ago.

pigamus

Quote from: Sonny_Jim on May 23, 2022, 12:37:09 PMJust looking at Plagiarists corner on his website (now updated with Ricky Gervais) and noticed this:




Genuine mistake or actually-a-clever-joke-aaaaah?

What's the mistake?

Sonny_Jim


chutnut

Pretty sure he put Tim Heidecker's standup in that end of year list so must be intentional

Jerzy Bondov

Was just for some reason thinking about the Ricky Gervais bit, particularly
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when he goes over the the lectern to drink a beer
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. Absolutely bodied him. Good.

Martin Van Buren Stan

Quote from: Sonny_Jim on May 23, 2022, 12:37:09 PMJust looking at Plagiarists corner on his website (now updated with Ricky Gervais) and noticed this:




Genuine mistake or actually-a-clever-joke-aaaaah?

Well Frank Skinner did the same Harry Potter joke before Lee (but funnier, obviously) so what's he on about?

Just found the quote in his bio

 "I have an aversion to all things children's literature. Any adult who reads Tolkien, Pooh, Harry Potter and the rest, is a worry to me. I didn't read children's literature when I was a child so I'm damned well not going to read it now. It's for kids. Look, they don't read hard-core pornography, I don't read their stuff. That's the deal."

McFlymo

That Plagiarists Corner thing is gotta be fairly tongue in cheek though, isn't it?

I get the impression it's more for Lee to point out the quirkiness of how these "bits" get regurgitated and reused by different comedians over time.

Otherwise, the self-aggrandising is a bit awkward.

JamesTC

Stew also refers to himself as plagiarising from others.

McFlymo

Ah. OK. That makes it a lot more palatable.

C_Larence

Quote from: Ferris on May 23, 2022, 04:07:12 PMSimilar to his "pedestal/pedal bin" list that got mr linehan so worked up a month or two ago.

That was in January. There's just so much going on

BennyHedgehog

Revisiting old ground and not mumbly


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Vroomo

Quote from: Ferris on May 18, 2022, 12:40:20 AMAny idea of a broadcast date for this?

Just saw him tonight in Liverpool & he dropped a bit after getting pissed off that an audience member had shouted out & threw him off course.

In chastising the gent in question (who'd whooped overexcitedly when SLee mentioned a Dr of Tropical Medicine) he said "You'll just have to wait until it's on TV in September and see what the people of York thought."

He also said the 2 nights they were recording went shit.

Ferris

Nice one! Not for Stew, but for me, and that's what really matters.

non capisco

Quote from: BennyHedgehog on May 28, 2022, 11:22:35 AMRevisiting old ground and not mumbly


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I love that he's revived/revised that routine because a) It's one of my favourites of his and it's still laugh out loud funny and b) It's more relevant to now with the Tory culture war bollocks and the deliberate misuse/corruption of "woke" by those disgusting scum sucking government cunts and a virtually entirely compliant media. I would say there's more bite to that routine now and there's more catharsis for us to agree the fuck out of it.

JamesTC

Just got home from seeing Tornado/Snowflake. First thing to note is that the shark really does look fucking dangerous. I'm not surprised he nearly got hurt by it. If you aren't sure how the shark works, it is a shark version of those old silent movies where the barn falls and Buster Keaton is standing right in place to go through the window. Except instead of a window, it is a shark's mouth.

The show was incredible. Not necessarily because it was his best show yet or anything. I wouldn't rate the material itself above Content Provider, Carpet Remnant World or a few of his other shows. But rather it was seeing how different he is when the show isn't being recorded.

I've spent far too long being either too poor, too stingy or too anxious to get off my arse and go and see live shows. Whether it be seeing films in the cinema, seeing more comedians live or seeing my favourite TV show recorded, I feel like I have a whole different view of my favourite things.

With Stewart Lee specifically, I have a feeling that his recorded shows are mostly attempting to stay on "script". Which of course makes perfect sense. There are the occasional diversions, but nothing like what I experienced tonight. There was a mischievous whimsy to him taking the show completely off course for several minutes to analyse things that have happened or things that have come to mind during the show. To use one example, he was describing Tony Parsons spinning on his cock like a Catherine wheel made out of meat and a woman laughed around five seconds after everybody else and he brought the whole show to halt to go through her thought process.

I do hope to see my other historically favourite comedian, Richard Herring. I somehow don't feel it will have the transformative effect that seeing Stewart Lee has though. That isn't a diss on Herring. Rather, I just think Herring's shows are more structured and wouldn't be well served by the sort of diversions a live show with an audience not on their best behaviour can bring.

After the show, I bought Comedy Vehicle Series 4 and got him to sign it. He was lovely and really friendly and chatty with everybody. I mentioned how I saw him in the city centre a few years ago buying a big pile of stand-up shows for Content Provider. He said, specifically pointing out that he didn't want to cast aspersions on Liverpool, that the CEX here was the only place in the country that wouldn't sell him the DVDs as they accused him of gaming the CEX algorithm, so he could buy the DVDs cheap and then sell them back to them when the price had gone up.

My experience of seeing Stew live at various points is it's not really a different attitude to filming vs live so much as by the point of filming he's driven the show and himself into the ground compared to an earlier period. I think the best I ever saw him was a show in June/July when the show had that mischievous whimsy you talked about that just wasn't there anymore by October/November when he'd gone through Edinburgh then was in the midst of a Leicester Square Theatre residency

jobotic

Should have filmed the Chatham show. Like I said at the time, he seemed to really enjoy himself. To his own surprise.

Povidone

Quote from: McFlymo on May 24, 2022, 05:06:58 PMThat Plagiarists Corner thing is gotta be fairly tongue in cheek though, isn't it?

The Art of Repair/Repair Shop one is definitely a laugh out loud joke.

somersetchris

Quote from: jobotic on June 18, 2022, 09:41:24 AMShould have filmed the Chatham show. Like I said at the time, he seemed to really enjoy himself. To his own surprise.

I saw him in a venue he has avoided for years (not purposely I don't think, just fell off the list as it's a bit remote), and he was the same there. I do think he genuinely enjoyed the theatre and the audience and said he would come back. He was much less curmudgeonly than previous times I've seen him.

The impression I got, especially from the Tornado part, was that he was really really enjoying being out touring again, he was much more playful than I've seen him before and I'd imagine most audiences have got that from him post-pandemic. Snowflake I thought was less good, there was quite a bit of recycled stuff in it, and it felt like an older show. In the version I saw, he didn't really go after Gervais or Chapelle either, just dropped their names in. I think he probably thought that a provincial audience might not be familiar with the hot water Chapelle got himself into recently.

somersetchris

Quote from: Vroomo on June 17, 2022, 11:26:17 PMJust saw him tonight in Liverpool & he dropped a bit after getting pissed off that an audience member had shouted out & threw him off course.

In chastising the gent in question (who'd whooped overexcitedly when SLee mentioned a Dr of Tropical Medicine) he said "You'll just have to wait until it's on TV in September and see what the people of York thought."

We got that as well. You have to remember that a lot of the times he has a go at people and says he's cutting stuff, that's all part of the routine. When I saw Content Provider, he said something like 'I had a whole bit lined up there, but because you didn't get the set-up, now I can't do it' and then when the audience seemed a bit disappointed, dropped out of character for a second to say 'of course I didn't have another bit lined up, that's the joke'. I think I would have preferred him to have stayed in character and not said that, but that's the thing with Stew - all the audience interaction, the stuff that goes wrong, his mock anger - you never know when it's part of the show and when it's real, for example the stuff about phones I'm sure is real but it fits within the character he's created for himself.

JamesTC

Quote from: somersetchris on June 18, 2022, 12:56:14 PMWe got that as well. You have to remember that a lot of the times he has a go at people and says he's cutting stuff, that's all part of the routine. When I saw Content Provider, he said something like 'I had a whole bit lined up there, but because you didn't get the set-up, now I can't do it' and then when the audience seemed a bit disappointed, dropped out of character for a second to say 'of course I didn't have another bit lined up, that's the joke'.

He took it further last night by pulling out some notes and having a member of the audience confirm that he had a bit lined up that he will now not be doing.

Vroomo

Quote from: somersetchris on June 18, 2022, 12:56:14 PMWe got that as well. You have to remember that a lot of the times he has a go at people and says he's cutting stuff, that's all part of the routine.

No. I get that, but the showing the audience member in the front row the index card he'd have been referring to made it seem a little more genuine.

I did consider it could be him playing a long game - he said he was skipping the bitand 'we'd have to tune in to BBC to see how the people of York reacted to it'.  I'm expecting the same 'I'm skipping this bit' routine to happen in the recording.

Quote from: non capisco on June 18, 2022, 12:03:17 AMI love that he's revived/revised that routine because a) It's one of my favourites of his and it's still laugh out loud funny and b) It's more relevant to now with the Tory culture war bollocks and the deliberate misuse/corruption of "woke" by those disgusting scum sucking government cunts and a virtually entirely compliant media. I would say there's more bite to that routine now and there's more catharsis for us to agree the fuck out of it.

I was disappointed to read his new stuff was about wokeness and edgy comedy. It's a pretty exhausted topic in general, and Lee already nailed it over a decade ago. All a bit "stop, he's already dead". I was thinking - if I was him I'd avoid the topic and just rest on my laurels for being astonishingly prescient.

But the clips are both hilarious and cathartic. Reworking the hot liquids in the work area bit is obnoxiously meta even for him, but its better now. Kind of shows how the targets have shifted from honest misunderstandings to bad faith cuntery.

JCR

Quote from: jobotic on June 18, 2022, 09:41:24 AMShould have filmed the Chatham show. Like I said at the time, he seemed to really enjoy himself. To his own surprise.

He was upbeat tonight in Edinburgh as well, corpsed more than I can ever remember- said he was remembering a row he had in a launderette that was on the same street as the theatre in 1987.

Ray Travez

Darlington hippodrome.

really good. Great atmosphere in the crowd.

The jacket in Snowflake is surely a nod to Ted Chippington?

A nice bit paraphrased from memory- Lee tells us that we, the audience at his gig, are the liberal intelligensia of Darlington; and we are exactly the same as the liberal elite of London except we have pease pudding all down our front.
          *adopts voice similar to the Alan Bennett impression*
"Oh, shall we go and see Stewart Lee? Two hours is quite long... Oh, and the drinks will be expensive. Tell you what, let's fill a flask with pease pudding and during the interval we can go and sit in the square with all the shouting. Drink down the pease pudding, drink it down... oh it's gone all down my front"

Really made me laugh; on occasion, I have had pease pudding all down my front. It's not my fault, it's just so fucking runny. I'd like to see the London liberal elite try to eat pease pudding with a plastic fork, it's not as easy as you'd think.

No Nick Cave impression- maybe that's the third bit of the joke that we didn't earn by being a good enough audience ;)

Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth

Quote from: Ray Travez on June 20, 2022, 01:35:08 AMA nice bit paraphrased from memory- Lee tells us that we, the audience at his gig, are the liberal intelligensia of Darlington; and we are exactly the same as the liberal elite of London except we have pease pudding all down our front.
"Like the metropolitan elite of Sussex, but with gravy all down you." was how he described us. I wonder what he says to audiences in London.

Led Souptin

Bristol was clotted cream

Loved the topper to that, which was something along the lines of "this is the only place where the clotted cream material has gone down so well"