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Title: The Circle (Series 3)
Post by: Ja'moke on March 18, 2021, 02:47:35 PM
The regular edition of The Circle is now underway, after the short but surprisingly fun celebrity special.

This series is great already. They've done a twist that confettiinmyhair suggested in the previous thread. There are two players playing the same person, one real, one a catfish.
Title: Re: The Circle (Series 3)
Post by: JesusAndYourBush on March 18, 2021, 03:03:33 PM
Surely the girl who's been cloned had some private chats and would be able to prove she was the real one by revealing something that was said during a private chat?
Title: Re: The Circle (Series 3)
Post by: Ja'moke on March 18, 2021, 03:09:42 PM
Surely the girl who's been cloned had some private chats and would be able to prove she was the real one by revealing something that was said during a private chat?

Yeah that's what she's been doing. Although it's only day two, so I don't think they'd had many chats at this point. She's convinced the one girl she'd previously bonded with, though.
Title: Re: The Circle (Series 3)
Post by: BritishHobo on March 18, 2021, 07:36:37 PM
Think they took a real gamble with that twist. If she'd picked a catfish then it would have been good fun seeing them sweat - the fella posing as the nurse, for example, trying to figure out whether the clone actually is the real person. As it is, it seems to have gone down like a fucking lead balloon with OG Tally, who seems upset in a very real, not-fun way.
Title: Re: The Circle (Series 3)
Post by: confettiinmyhair on March 19, 2021, 11:38:47 AM
OG blue Tally reacted really badly. I'm worried about how she reacted to the twist. There were several different ways she could have reacted. She could've even made this work in her favour. I know 100k is on the line, but her reaction almost transcends the game and became uncomfortable in the same way some other reality show contestants have melted down and it goes beyond entertaining. I hope the show's Psychologists were checking in with her.
Title: Re: The Circle (Series 3)
Post by: BritishHobo on March 19, 2021, 01:38:29 PM
Yeah, I really don't know how I feel about the whole thing. It's pretty lose-lose as well, because Yolanda's gone all in because obviously as a contestant you have a level of trust that, if the show encourages you to do something, then it's acceptable to do, and everything's been thought of. She comes off horrible at times, but I've no doubt that, if she was aware of the effect the whole thing is having on OG Tally, she would feel terrible and pull back. I think you can tell the producers aren't delighted with the outcome, as last night's episode seemed at pains to avoid mentioning the Tally situation after the first part. Clearly they were hoping for a big fun thing where, for example, the father and the daughter are faced with a clone of their character, and panic about whether she's the real person. Harmless drama. Instead they've engineered a situation where one contestant feels like she's being personally singled out, and is effectively being gaslit to a certain degree when she tries to express the fact that it's genuinely upsetting her.

Essentially, The Circle usually cuts through the dehumanising nature of social media in order to reveal the kindness of human interaction. Here it's done the opposite.
Title: Re: The Circle (Series 3)
Post by: Ja'moke on March 19, 2021, 05:05:04 PM
I don't think it cut Tally that deep really. I felt her reaction was very "I'm on TV and I need to react this way."

She was right back to being cheerful and goofing around with Billy moments later.

Anyway, the others have to decide which of the Tally's to block tonight.
Title: Re: The Circle (Series 3)
Post by: Ludicrous Display on March 19, 2021, 05:42:34 PM
She was having a remote control car race and being a right 'geezer bird' in the first part of last night's show, she's fine. I'm eating up the drama, the twist has kick-started the series.
Title: Re: The Circle (Series 3)
Post by: BritishHobo on March 19, 2021, 06:41:26 PM
I do hope so, I don't want to be all doom-and-gloom, and I really like Tally - I hope the next episode proves me to be being stupid and melodramatic.

There's some definite champion candidates. Vithun is rightly beloved by all in the same way Tim was last series, and Shubham in the US series - although their losses probably don't bode well for him. Andy is very lovely as well, him and his friendship with the daft, wonderful Syed. Ditto Manrika, Billy, and OG Tally.
Title: Re: The Circle (Series 3)
Post by: Ja'moke on March 19, 2021, 06:44:40 PM
I find Vithun to be the most boring so far, actually.

I love Hashu/Syed, though. Great enthusiasm and he plays the Syed character really well. I can see the reveal hurting Andy quite a lot, much like Dan and Alex in the first series.
Title: Re: The Circle (Series 3)
Post by: BritishHobo on March 19, 2021, 07:10:17 PM
Yeah, that's gonna be a tough one. Was interesting to see him feel bad following his 'revelation' about Syed's struggles.

Which reminds me, I was in pain laughing at the triple-punch of revelations. "I lost my bowel." "I've faced racism and poverty." "I'm a letting agent in London..." Fucked it mate.
Title: Re: The Circle (Series 3)
Post by: BritishHobo on March 19, 2021, 11:04:39 PM
If this ends on a cliffhanger I WILL FUCKING SMASH MY TELEVISION
Title: Re: The Circle (Series 3)
Post by: BritishHobo on March 19, 2021, 11:23:46 PM
That's an example of good cliffhangering - we're all obviously going to be coming back, because we want to see that meeting.

Vithun has gone down a bit for me now. He's still a lovely person and I like him a lot, but I think his choice has probably separated him too early on from the (seemingly) infallible niceness of people like Tim. He doesn't seem to be getting as much traction as most of the others either, although he could just be a victim of editing.
Title: Re: The Circle (Series 3)
Post by: georgetaylor on March 22, 2021, 12:22:43 PM
I usually hate the twists on the regular format, but that was great, having the screen 'update' and then show 2 of the same person was brilliant. Camera switching between head-fucked Real Tally and the 2 identical icons on a slow zoom with sinister music was class.
So many ways this could have played out, Fake Tally could have declared herself Fake from the get-go and also stated knowingly that the other Tally was also fake. Mess with everyone that way.
Title: Re: The Circle (Series 3)
Post by: JesusAndYourBush on March 22, 2021, 05:05:49 PM
So many ways this could have played out, Fake Tally could have declared herself Fake from the get-go and also stated knowingly that the other Tally was also fake. Mess with everyone that way.

They could also have said "I've only just got here, and there's already someone here using my photo!" - therefore stating that they were the new arrival, but real at the same time.
Title: Re: The Circle (Series 3)
Post by: BritishHobo on March 22, 2021, 09:14:34 PM
Yeah, that's what I thought was going to happen. Odd little diversion in the end, and their chat was pretty boring.

Not too fussed on the new pair. The general pace of The Circle always seems to be that any new contestants are just time-fillers anyway, until they whittle it back down to four OG players. I'm saying Andy, Manrika, Vithun. Add Tally if they do a final five.
Title: Re: The Circle (Series 3)
Post by: BritishHobo on March 25, 2021, 08:15:33 AM
This is a proper weird season. Very messy in terms of alliances and teams. I'm not a fan of the fact that the secret missions this time are really encouraging fucking each other over - it's in proper contrast to last year, where you had that lovely mission where Richard Madeley had to fuck himself over, in order to help somebody else.  It's not just about the victims, either (although poor Billy) - the fact that they immediately outed Gemma's game is a bizarre choice, as it now lumbers him with being distrusted, for doing something the game made him do. It's irritating seeing some of them slag off Gemma just for doing the mission - the show made her!

I sound like I'm down on the show, but I do think it's made for a really interesting dynamic between the contestants that I'm hugely enjoying, and is making it feel fresh. Series 1 and 2 (and the US one) were fairly clear-cut. They generally had nice, genuine friendships with the odd rivalry, but groups were always loyal, and on the same page. This year, it's pure chaos. You've got the 'geezer girls' trio, in which Manrika hates Gemma, but is using her to secure support, meanwhile best friend Tally actually does like and trust Gemma. Then you have this fucking brilliant 'relationship' between Manrika and fake-soldier, then poor wonderful Hashu friendzoning himself - plus his good friendship with Andy, and their catfish-catching group, which has been massively tested by Gemma lying to them. Vithun sadly feels on the sidelines, but even he looks to be acting fairly cannily in terms of how he engages with people in order to get further. Everyone is appearing to play the game as 'block the catfish', but in private I think they're all building relationships that are much more complicated and manipulative than we've seen before. Every series seems to have a totally different endgame, and I can't wait to see how this ends up.
Title: Re: The Circle (Series 3)
Post by: Ja'moke on March 25, 2021, 11:52:35 AM
I think it’s a great series and the show is naturally evolving from where it left off last year with “Sammie” and co forming the first real alliance and gaming the system.

There is more open gameplay this time around, which is refreshing to see in a UK reality show.

“Felix” is annoying me though. It’s a bit rich to call out “Gemma” for “lack of integrity” for just playing the game he was forced to do, while she’s playing a catfish and actively pursuing a romance angle with Manrika. The hypocrisy is what drives me crazy. It’d be fine if she owned it.

Fun series though. Except for Vithun. He does not make for entertaining TV.
Title: Re: The Circle (Series 3)
Post by: BritishHobo on March 25, 2021, 09:55:01 PM
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. In previous series, Felix's handwringing about 'gameplaying' and 'integrity' is something most contestants seemed to share. Here, nobody gives a shit, they know they need to do whatever they can to survive. It's exciting.
Title: Re: The Circle (Series 3)
Post by: JesusAndYourBush on March 26, 2021, 02:29:46 AM
I thought 'Felix' was as thick as pigshit for not understanding that 'Gemma' was playing the game.  And I'm perplexed as to why Billy was voted off, especially as the guy who was one of the people deciding (can't remember his name) had just had a conversation with Billy and had realised that Gemma was a massive bullshitter.  I wonder if Channel 4 forced his hand because it'd have been less interesting if he'd have chosen Gemma to be booted out.
Title: Re: The Circle (Series 3)
Post by: BritishHobo on March 26, 2021, 11:13:20 AM
I did wonder that - especially given that Manrika has never liked Gemma. I suppose it's always possible that they edited bits of the chat out where they discuss Billy, to keep the tension going.

Up until yesterday, I thought Manrika was playing a blinder
 Keeping her cool in-chat in every conversation, and always telling people exactly what they want or need to here. Obviously she's spaffed that up the wall with this Felix thing. It really seems like the biggest mistake you can make is going all-in on one person. Good fun though to see Tally and Manrika, two real people, having a proper falling-out over two catfishes.

Manrika seems to be becoming the Designated Villain, at least in the eyes of Twitter and the Circle subreddit. People don't like that it's always about her, and obviously the self-righteousness and screwing over of Tally in the latest episode. I'm always wary of judging anyone based on an edited reality show - especially since she clearly knew at the end of the episode that she'd fucked up.

Weirdly it feels like popular opinion has flipped 180 from series 2 - where people really seemed to see James/Sammie as a nasty trickster - to the point that most people are very much in defence of James/Gemma, and see Manrika's 'I've got friends who are nurses' as being too self-righteous.
Title: Re: The Circle (Series 3)
Post by: Ja'moke on March 26, 2021, 01:37:34 PM
I thought 'Felix' was as thick as pigshit for not understanding that 'Gemma' was playing the game.  And I'm perplexed as to why Billy was voted off, especially as the guy who was one of the people deciding (can't remember his name) had just had a conversation with Billy and had realised that Gemma was a massive bullshitter.  I wonder if Channel 4 forced his hand because it'd have been less interesting if he'd have chosen Gemma to be booted out.

I presume that Andy and Manrika played that more tactically than they let on, or than the show let on. For all their "let's just get rid of the catfishes" talk, they both have better relationships with Gemma than they did Billy, and so it's a benefit for them to keep Gemma around.

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Weirdly it feels like popular opinion has flipped 180 from series 2 - where people really seemed to see James/Sammie as a nasty trickster - to the point that most people are very much in defence of James/Gemma, and see Manrika's 'I've got friends who are nurses' as being too self-righteous.

It's following the Survivor trajectory, albeit 20 years later. When Survivor first started in the US, the majority of fans hated Richard Hatch and co for forming an alliance and systemically voting everyone out. That wasn't in the spirit of competition! It was supposed to be who could best survive in the wilderness!!

After a couple of seasons though, people realised forming alliances and social politicking was the real aim of the game. And eventually it was the gameplayers that came to be respected by the audience and people would just roll their eyes at the "integrity and loyalty" types.
Title: Re: The Circle (Series 3)
Post by: BritishHobo on March 26, 2021, 11:04:46 PM
Vithun is such a fucking wildcard, I love it.
Title: Re: The Circle (Series 3)
Post by: Ja'moke on March 26, 2021, 11:22:59 PM
Definitely the most interesting series so far in terms of the gameplay and blockings.
Title: Re: The Circle (Series 3)
Post by: BritishHobo on March 26, 2021, 11:26:14 PM
I'm so up-and-down with this series. I don't like how obvious the behind-the-scenes manipulation is (you could practically hear the producers knock together the latest twist to narrow the options down and guarantee Tally was in the firing line), and the cliffhangers continue to be bollocks. We're obviously going to be back on Monday, knobheads. We will want to see the full meeting, even if we know who it is.

On the other hand, I love what a mess it is. The relationships and allegiances are all over the fucking place. Booting Tally off feels a bit reminiscent of the Ella blocking from last series, but with none of the stability around it. Everyone's on their own gameplay track, and they pretty much all seem to have the resolve to avoid being swayed.
Title: Re: The Circle (Series 3)
Post by: confettiinmyhair on March 31, 2021, 11:21:46 PM
Tonight's episode produced one of the most awkward post blocking meetings ever. It's worth a watch.

It looks like this series is Andy's to lose.
Title: Re: The Circle (Series 3)
Post by: Ja'moke on March 31, 2021, 11:53:37 PM
Yeah that meeting was tense and awkward but great TV. I started to like James and go off Manrika last week, but that was a bit rich of James to have a go at Manrika for lying about painting a silly snake picture when he was lying about being a nurse etc.

As for Andy, I wouldn't be so sure. It will come down to if people rate tactically at the end, and it seems the majority of this cast will, which means he'll probably be rated low in the final. Which makes his whole strategy of "get rid of the catfishes" silly. It shouldn't matter who is a catfish or not, he should just be focused on aligning with people that will stay loyal and rate him high at the end.

Also, I don't get Felix at all. She really doesn't need to be taking it this deep with Manrika. She already had her on side, so why not just keep it at surface level flirting and work on building relationships with others? Instead she just keeps going deeper and deeper with Manrika... there must be part of her getting a kick out of it, despite what she says about feeling bad.

That's going to be great TV too though if those two meet face to face.
Title: Re: The Circle (Series 3)
Post by: JesusAndYourBush on April 01, 2021, 02:19:44 AM
That was embarrassing to watch.  What an utter arse!  And he got annoyed that she'd called him a snake when he was a snake!
Title: Re: The Circle (Series 3)
Post by: jimboslice on April 01, 2021, 08:33:02 AM
Tonight's episode produced one of the most awkward post blocking meetings ever. It's worth a watch.

It looks like this series is Andy's to lose.

Absolutely fantastic. Manrika stood her ground and Hunter lost his temper.

Femi's fucked up immediately too. Would have been more interesting if it was a fresh immigrant trying to play native.

Title: Re: The Circle (Series 3)
Post by: BritishHobo on April 01, 2021, 10:47:09 AM
Yeah, that meeting has to be the most uncomfortable moment ever on this show. James really fucked himself right at the end - as some of you have said. I was fully on-board with him, felt like he was lovely and genuine in spite of the catfishing, and that Manrika was quite holier-than-thou and hypocritical. I've completely flipped after that meeting, where he really trampled any high ground whatsoever and left me siding with Manrika. It seems like the snake picture really unexpectedly hurt him, but it wasn't a great look, and it backfired on him really that, having lied about being a nurse, he was very vicious about her having played her own game. Just wouldn't let up, while Manrika was quite self-effacing, copping to his criticism without fighting back. I'll repeat for my own pathetic guilt that I don't want to definitively judge either of them - it was a heated, tense meeting - but it definitely left a sour taste in my mouth.

I've not felt as sick as that since seeing Dan meet Alex in series 1.

It'll be interesting to see what the dynamic will be going forward, as it does feel like the game has lost something significant now that the Gemma drama is over.
Title: Re: The Circle (Series 3)
Post by: JesusAndYourBush on April 01, 2021, 11:18:28 AM
Femi's fucked up immediately too. Would have been more interesting if it was a fresh immigrant trying to play native.

He could just say that there's a Nigerian TV channel that shows a lot of American & British stuff, and that's where he saw it (assuming anyone mentions it, which they might not.).
Title: Re: The Circle (Series 3)
Post by: BritishHobo on April 01, 2021, 11:25:37 AM
Forget the end of my last post - pulled back in by that daft date at the end. I didn't think Manrika was as genuinely invested as she is - kinda foresee another meeting that's going to go from 'this'll be really fun to see' to 'oh no oh god this is horrible I want to die'.

Vithun's confession was genuinely sweet. Is it possible he could go all the way after all, and they've been wrongfooting us by not bothering to show him much?
Title: Re: The Circle (Series 3)
Post by: BritishHobo on April 01, 2021, 11:28:01 AM
He could just say that there's a Nigerian TV channel that shows a lot of American & British stuff, and that's where he saw it (assuming anyone mentions it, which they might not.).

I did think that - Gladiators seems like the kind of show that could be easily sold in any country. The battle between Syed and Femi is very fun. I like the contrast between the way they've chosen to speak, as immigrant characters.
Title: Re: The Circle (Series 3)
Post by: Ludicrous Display on April 01, 2021, 12:10:43 PM
He did deliver a few home truths to Manrika, that she's two faced and playing the game, when everyone else has acted like she's all sweetness and light, even Tally immediately forgave her the other day after Manrika threw her under the bus with the ratings. But, yes, it pales into insignificance when he's Hunter from Gladiators pretending to be a nurse.
Title: Re: The Circle (Series 3)
Post by: Ja'moke on April 01, 2021, 12:37:36 PM
The latest preview shows that things might not be so clear cut for Andy.
Title: Re: The Circle (Series 3)
Post by: BritishHobo on April 01, 2021, 03:45:01 PM
It's very interesting to see how people are reacting to that Gemma/Manrika meeting. Over on the Circle subreddit they're pretty much entirely in James' favour, because they all dislike Manrika. Twitter is much more split, but that sentiment exists over there. I think a lot of people disliked Manrika so much that they've allowed that to colour their interpretation. This tweet, for example:

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He was aggressive?! What were you watching? He literally walked in for a conversation only to find her screaming in his face

just bears no relation to reality. Screaming in his face?
Title: Re: The Circle (Series 3)
Post by: BritishHobo on April 01, 2021, 03:49:43 PM
The latest preview shows that things might not be so clear cut for Andy.

Ooh. Unexpected if true. I know there's usually an inevitable backlash when someone keeps becoming influencer, but I really thought Gemma being a catfish would work in his favour. Perhaps people really have lost trust in him after learning he knew about Gemma. I suppose if I was a catfish I'd really be seeing him as a threat right now.
Title: Re: The Circle (Series 3)
Post by: Ja'moke on April 01, 2021, 05:21:13 PM
Ooh. Unexpected if true. I know there's usually an inevitable backlash when someone keeps becoming influencer, but I really thought Gemma being a catfish would work in his favour. Perhaps people really have lost trust in him after learning he knew about Gemma. I suppose if I was a catfish I'd really be seeing him as a threat right now.

It shows a new potential alliance forming. So I'm guessing they all tactically voted Andy low.
Title: Re: The Circle (Series 3)
Post by: BritishHobo on April 01, 2021, 11:12:06 PM
Andy and Manrika seem to have inadvertently created a situation where if you open up and are honest about your mistakes, you get fucked over for it. I can't really blame her and Felix for that decision though - as much as I love Vithun, he did struggle to put himself out there, and shot himself in the foot by being quite tricksy. Feel like if I went on the show I would probably have played a similar game to Vithun - being a bit too wary and nervous, and failing as a result to form bonds strong enough to save me.

OG final four is out the window then.
Title: Re: The Circle (Series 3)
Post by: Ja'moke on April 01, 2021, 11:50:22 PM
Andy and Syed are on borrowed time if they don’t pick their game up.

That Manrika/Felix/Dot trio is powerful. And now Manrika has Pippa on side too. Manrika, despite playing a bit of a topsy turvy game, is very good at getting allies quickly, and she has no real issue blocking supposed friends/allies.

Andy and Syed need to get Femi on side and any other newbie that might enter and make sure they’re all on the same page.
Title: Re: The Circle (Series 3)
Post by: confettiinmyhair on April 02, 2021, 08:21:45 AM
I think Vithun was the architect of his own downfall and appeared to completely disappear into the background. I think introverts can still flourish in The Circle but it got me to the point of thinking, if Vithun wasn't chatting to people much, then what the hell was he doing with his time?

For a strategist, him falling into the trap of admitting the anonymous comment was foolish.
Title: Re: The Circle (Series 3)
Post by: JesusAndYourBush on April 02, 2021, 04:32:27 PM
I've been reading comments on reddit quoting James(Gemma) about just how much Ch4 are controlling this.  At the end he wanted to go and see Dot but they forced him to go and see Manrika instead.  And that bit was filmed at 3am where he'd be more likely to agree to it just to be allowed to sleep.  The conversations which see people abruptly signing off after only exchanging a few words are edited and actually the conversations are a lot longer.  People can't choose who they speak to, it's chosen for them, and they didn't let James speak to Vithun for 11 days.  They're not allowed to know what the time is, which is just weird.  So it looks like Ch4 are being too controlling, or is it that the format wouldn't work without that level of control?
Title: Re: The Circle (Series 3)
Post by: Ja'moke on April 02, 2021, 06:20:15 PM
I remember Alex from series 1 did a YouTube video where he went into a bit of detail about how it works. Apparently, at the start of the day, you have to tell the producers which players you'd like to speak to, and I think maybe get to pick 3 people per day? The producers will then schedule these chats throughout the day.

But I imagine if say, 8 different players all say they want to speak to Syed, then the producers will have to deny some requests and make those players pick someone else, just so the chats are more varied. And, in that case, they probably prioritize the chats that are more juicy or make for better story development.
Title: Re: The Circle (Series 3)
Post by: confettiinmyhair on April 02, 2021, 07:10:19 PM
It seems like there must be some micro managing producers as they also need to schedule when they go outside on the roof, in the wanky yoga room or the gym (which often reveals that most players don't know how to lift weights properly). The show must run like clockwork.
Title: Re: The Circle (Series 3)
Post by: BritishHobo on April 02, 2021, 08:12:19 PM
Apparently they also had a production meeting for several hours to decide whether to allow James to confess his identity to Andy. Some elements of creative control are always necessary, but it seems annoying that they'd fret so much about allowing him the choice to do that - especially given that it's probably the most interesting organic element to have happened this series.

I guess it's always been this way, but it definitely seems a lot more obvious this season, with the prefilmed nature of it meaning they've been able to edit their narrative together much more blatantly. So odd though that they seemed to make it so difficult for people to speak to Vithun though.

More than anything I now understand James' demeanor in that Manrika meeting a little bit more. When it's 3am, and you wanted to have a nice chat with an old lady, but instead producers pushed you into a confrontation with a 'friend' who's actually been gunning for you all series, you're probably gonna have low patience. Still pretty harsh, but very much the result of producers' actions.
Title: Re: The Circle (Series 3)
Post by: Ja'moke on April 02, 2021, 11:07:16 PM
Manrika is really cementing herself as an all-time great reality-tv character.
Title: Re: The Circle (Series 3)
Post by: BritishHobo on April 02, 2021, 11:19:37 PM
Someone in the subreddit posted the following thoughts from series 2's Tim, about the current series - originally from Twitter, I believe:

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"Andy understands the show very well. He is determined to project friendship and honesty. I think he is a bit over-concerned about catfishing which is a different issue. There is a deeper honesty and deeper trust that sees through catfishers, believe me."

"Andy, sadly, is obsessed with catfishing. It is not the way to win. People can be lovely even when they are lying- think of James last year with whom I had a great relationship and still do. Or the divine Joyce, hopeless catfish but utterly charming."

"I wish the show had taken the time to nurture friendship and to showcase that as it did in series 1 and 2. Instead, it seems obsessed with twists. Believe me, there will be enough twists from determined participants."

"many thanks. Lol: I am watching from the sidelines. Frankly, I would love to give this whole show a serious re-think. It was sold to me as a show about friendship and that is sometimes hard to find/ see in series 3."

"Nothing wrong with being a catfish. That is called acting!"

"Hashu is giving a stunning performance and demonstrating again and again that catfishing is not the problem- the problem is thoughtlessness and a lack of genuine friendship. We should never risk so much to win such a small reward. I thought the circle was about friendship."

[In reply to "Vithen is the heart of the show"]"Entirely agree. So far, this show has been about the nastiness of production & how production can goad people into being thoughtless. Not surprising if it is filmed at 3am. We need more joy & more reality in shows like this, & frankly we need vithun to counterbalance the frenzy"

I think these really nail the problems I'm having with this series, which is it massively feels like the producers have overmanufactured something really quite cynical and nasty, which is in massive contrast to previous years. The latest episode's 'cliffhanger' ending is a huge case-in-point. Last year's Circle of Trust was light and fun - three likeable underdogs deciding to band together to give themselves a better chance. Here, it feels like an endless series of snide Circle games have been used in order to make the top-rated player go for blood. This new trio isn't fun, it feels angry, and horrible. And while I'm not exonerating Manrika, it really does feel like the producers have egged this on.
Title: Re: The Circle (Series 3)
Post by: BritishHobo on April 02, 2021, 11:31:09 PM
Manrika is really cementing herself as an all-time great reality-tv character.

She won me over early doors with her frankness about playing a game - on a gameshow where other people playing games usually handwring about 'gameplayers'. I'm not the biggest fan of her actions the last week, but I increasingly feel that Channel 4 have guided her into.a villain role while doing absolutely fuck-all to assist her with the absolute hellscape of abuse and death threats she's now struggling with on Twitter. Thrown to the wolves, no fucks given.

I'm aware I've probably come across quite prissy and oversensitive in this year's thread, but in the era of #BeKind, and caring about mental health, in a time where we see documentaries reevaluating how Jade Goody was treated in the media, it leaves a very bad taste that we're still seeing these shows where producers heavily curate a narrative and then step out of sight, leaving individuals alone to struggle with the mental jealth nightmare of being culpable to a general public made up of sharks.

Might be a bit tipsy.
Title: Re: The Circle (Series 3)
Post by: jimboslice on April 04, 2021, 11:14:21 PM
Padder episode. Felix & Dot were never going to block each other, and then it was obvious who was gone.

Also disappointed Pippa & Femi didn't mention how they were dressed the same.
Title: Re: The Circle (Series 3)
Post by: Ja'moke on April 04, 2021, 11:16:39 PM
It always feels like The Circle (UK one at least) goes on one week too long, and you get these episodes where they're basically just stalling for time. I mean, at this point we all just want to see Manrika, Felix, Andy, and Syed in the final meeting, right?
Title: Re: The Circle (Series 3)
Post by: BritishHobo on April 04, 2021, 11:47:05 PM
Yeah. There's always a last player who exists solely to fill time before inevitably getting blocked. They've just doubled the timewasting factor of that element by letting the two newest players go again with a new profile that's obviously not going to win. The three twists in that blocking didn't make for exciting TV, they made for fifteen minutes where I just kept checking my watch.

A last week with the remaining players could have been engaging TV, watching them pick up the pieces and figure out how to guarantee a win. Instead we're going to waste three days with this boring new character, who will be exempt from a blocking, and then will be blocked in the one after, leaving the final four but also getting a vote in the final ranking. The fact that they're Manrika's allies feels like blatant fixing on the part of the producers to get her to the final, and probably to a win.
Title: Re: The Circle (Series 3)
Post by: BritishHobo on April 04, 2021, 11:51:32 PM
The producers definitely encouraged Andy to say #TripleThreat, right?
Title: Re: The Circle (Series 3)
Post by: Ja'moke on April 05, 2021, 01:47:10 AM
Manrika won’t win. British reality tv rarely has villain winners (I mean, there’s been some horrible people who have won British reality shows, but they don’t get the villain edit). And given this is all pre-filmed, I think Manrika would have received a different kind of edit had she won.

I’d love it if she did though. It would be kind of groundbreaking.

In terms of actual gameplay, Manrika is better off without Pippa and Femi, even though she doesn’t realise it. The newbies are much more likely to rate tactically in the final because they don’t have the bonds built up the same way as the OGs. And so given Manrika is popular in The Circle, the newbies will likely rate her low.

That’s why I think she massively messed up by going after Andy. He’s someone trying not to play tactically, and he would definitely have rated her high in the final. Syed too will rate her high. So she really should want the OGs in at the final.
Title: Re: The Circle (Series 3)
Post by: JesusAndYourBush on April 05, 2021, 10:41:59 AM
I'm kindof surprised that Felix didn't vote Manrika out.  Given that Felix only befriended Manrika to that extent because she's popular and needed to be kept on side, and given that Manrika is going to be gutted that Felix isn't Felix, it'd have been better to disappoint her now rather than later, and get her out of the way at the same time.
Title: Re: The Circle (Series 3)
Post by: jimboslice on April 05, 2021, 03:47:03 PM
I'm kindof surprised that Felix didn't vote Manrika out.  Given that Felix only befriended Manrika to that extent because she's popular and needed to be kept on side, and given that Manrika is going to be gutted that Felix isn't Felix, it'd have been better to disappoint her now rather than later, and get her out of the way at the same time.

If Felix booted his "girlfriend" out then he wouldn't really endear himself to the rest of them.
Title: Re: The Circle (Series 3)
Post by: Ja'moke on April 05, 2021, 07:10:38 PM
Trailer for the second US season: https://twitter.com/netflix/status/1379120397841408000?s=21

Someone is catfishing as Lance Bass from NSYNC. Or it’s actually Lance Bass.
Title: Re: The Circle (Series 3)
Post by: Ludicrous Display on April 05, 2021, 07:16:00 PM
What a clusterfuck last night's episode was, should've wheeled out Jasper Carrott for that Golden Balls style 'ooo now you can block EACH OTHER' bit.
Title: Re: The Circle (Series 3)
Post by: JesusAndYourBush on April 06, 2021, 12:25:31 AM
What a clusterfuck last night's episode was, should've wheeled out Jasper Carrott for that Golden Balls style 'ooo now you can block EACH OTHER' bit.

Or Kilroy - Share Or Shaft.
Title: Re: The Circle (Series 3)
Post by: BritishHobo on April 06, 2021, 09:15:31 PM
People on Twitter are being very fucking precious about the new fella lying about a dead nan. We're quite a sensitive viewing public, aren't we?

The hate against Manrika has predictably and inevitably spiralled out-of-control. She's deleted her Twitter and her management have put out a statement telling people to stop being such morally-outraged wankers (in a much more professional way) and to stop sending hate and abuse. It's one thing taking exception with someone's playstyle, but we still seem to have this idiotic culture where people feel the need to have their pound of flesh. Even though the latest episode showed Manrika being aware that she has been too harsh in her gameplaying, and feeling bad. But six months on, people still feel the need to hammer her with their judgments like they're in any way needed or asked for? "I think Manrika is a terrible person, and I think she needs to know that." Arrogant knobheads.
Title: Re: The Circle (Series 3)
Post by: Ja'moke on April 06, 2021, 10:37:05 PM
People on Twitter are being very fucking precious about the new fella lying about a dead nan. We're quite a sensitive viewing public, aren't we?

Really? Jeez. Jonny Fairplay did that on Survivor back in 2003. The British public would have a collective aneurysm watching that show.
Title: Re: The Circle (Series 3)
Post by: JesusAndYourBush on April 07, 2021, 12:24:13 PM
Annoyed how they left it at the end of last nights episode, thankfully they don't do many cliffhangers in that way.  Manrika wanted to keep Felix, and wanted Andy gone although couldn't say it blatantly because of the public arselicking earlier.  Syed wanted Felix gone, but Manrika wouldn't budge.  Next sentence is something to the effect of "Well, I think we've decided who to choose" which means they likely edited around an hour of chat where they both tried to beat the other down.  So either Syed persuaded Manrika to choose Felix, or Manrika persuaded Syed to choose Dot.  And annoyingly, it's likely Channel 4 had the final say to steer the narrative, so bye bye Dot.
Title: Re: The Circle (Series 3)
Post by: BritishHobo on April 07, 2021, 03:00:39 PM
Yeah, I reckon Dot. The inevitable compromise.

Their triple-twist episode has really fucked the momentum of this. Having developed this group of five (Andy, Syed, Manrika, Dot & Felix), it's really shit and unsatisfying storytelling to allow two(three) newbies a path to the next episode, while a longer-established character is blocked. Presumably it's a final five, so one of these is guaranteed to be in the final, which is boring. Who cares about either one of them attending the dinner? I mean, imagine if it's Shabhaz. Come in five days from the end and go straight to the final.
Title: Re: The Circle (Series 3)
Post by: George Oscar Bluth II on April 08, 2021, 08:31:42 AM
I get why they don't show us the reasoning before they announce who's blocked, but I do wish they'd go back and show us it to give a bit of context cos some of the blockings have seemed to come out of nowhere.
Title: Re: The Circle (Series 3)
Post by: JesusAndYourBush on April 08, 2021, 12:06:30 PM
Yeah, after a small amount of deliberation someone always comes out with the pre-scripted line, something to the effect of "I think we've decided who we're going to choose", but often - according to the chat we've been allowed to see - they haven't.

I think I'm looking forward to tonights episode more then the final.  The final is inevitable, but it'll be fun to see them play with the two noobs to see if they find the catfish.
Title: Re: The Circle (Series 3)
Post by: BritishHobo on April 08, 2021, 12:28:49 PM
I wonder whether the producers went for a single or a double-blocking. Femi and Pippa walking into the meet-up will be boring now that the 'Circle fam' have sussed that they're back - but the idea of Shabaz strolling into the final is, as much as I adore him, mad.

I feel bad for Shabaz. He didn't sign up to the show intending to be a last-minute newbie - he signed up alongside everyone else, with the expectation of playing the full game. Now he's getting shit for coming in late, and for trying to be shady with established players. What's he meant to do, concede the game just because he's new?
Title: Re: The Circle (Series 3)
Post by: BritishHobo on April 08, 2021, 11:11:57 PM
It's such a cheap trick, the cliffhangering. Who is the hypothetical viewer that has watched every episode, but will happily skip the finale now that they've seen who Andy blocks. 'Oh no, I don't need to watch the long-awaited final five dinner party, or find out who wins - seeing who gets blocked last is all I wanted.'
Title: Re: The Circle (Series 3)
Post by: Ja'moke on April 09, 2021, 11:42:20 PM
That result ended up surprising me, even though at the start of tonight's episode, during the ratings, I was thinking Felix might be in with a shout. But then the way the rest of the episode went, it felt like it was building up for Manrika to take it. I should have known to stick to my gut that someone edited that much of a villain wouldn't win a British reality show.

The final dinner was a bit weird, in terms of how they ordered it. I thought for sure they'd put Manrika in first followed by Felix, so we'd get the full-on Dan and Kate style tension. Then put in Andy to break the ice, followed by Tom, and then finish things off with Syed who everyone loved. I felt like they didn't maximise the potential there.

Overall though, still a really entertaining show. And the American one is back next week!

EDIT: Also, thank fuck Channel 4 reversed their decision to pull the finale from the schedule tonight due to that old racist arsehole dying (they originally said it wouldn't air tonight but then went back on it).
Title: Re: The Circle (Series 3)
Post by: JesusAndYourBush on April 10, 2021, 03:11:19 PM
In the final ratings the other three OG's voted for who they felt most deserved to win, but Manrika voted tactically, voting for Felix as her #1 because she didn't want to give the #1 to who she thought were her biggest rivals, Andy & Syed.  In doing so she fucked herself over.  If she'd voted for anyone else she'd have won.  I was surprised Felix won.  After Tom was 5th I was sure Felix was going to be 4th.

EDIT: Also, thank fuck Channel 4 reversed their decision to pull the finale from the schedule tonight due to that old racist arsehole dying (they originally said it wouldn't air tonight but then went back on it).

I wasn't aware of that!  When I looked at the programme guide sometime around 2pm I saw that BBC1 & 2 were a write-off until about 6am the next day, whereas the other channels seemed back to normal by about 6pm.
Title: Re: The Circle (Series 3)
Post by: BritishHobo on April 14, 2021, 06:02:45 PM
Realised I didn't post after that finale. It just felt like a bit of a fucked series really. I would have been happy for Felix, Andy, Manrika or Syed to win, but Pippa and Femi making it to the final as well was the big cherry on top of how overly-guided this series has felt, being far more about tricks and twists and snide games than about people interacting. Likewise the finale having to cover everything from the final blocking and meeting, to the live-final-esque segment with Emma, was another example of the pacing and priorities being all over the shop. Too much going on, not a lot of time for them. You have all the contestants back, and basically none of them say a word. Surely the whole point of that is to hear funny stories and reactions, go over the highlights. They just raced through it.

Overall it felt like a really cynical, mean-spirited season, a horrible shit game run by a nasty cunt behind the scenes, fanning conflict and anger in a way they never have before, all exacerbated by a British viewing public who have clearly learned nothing from the lessons they self-righteously claim to have learned from Caroline Flack and #BeKind.

There were some lovely people and moments in this series but overall I think I hated it, and I hope the producers decide to stop being knobheads next time.
Title: Re: The Circle (Series 3)
Post by: BritishHobo on May 07, 2021, 02:57:44 PM
Channel 4 have cancelled the show:

https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/entertainment/reality-tv/the-circle-cancelled-channel-4-newsupdate/

I can only hope someone with a conscience realised that series 3 and all the drama surrounding it was not a good look in the #BeKind climate. Looks like the production company are talking to Netflix about the future of the UK and US versions, so we may see more yet.