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Title: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Capt.Midnight on June 16, 2015, 11:23:34 PM
Trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kznek1uNVsg

I gave up with the FF series many moons ago, but with the original team back behind the remake, this could be promising.

Personally, I have no idea why Square didn't just carry on with the dark fantasy and technology vibes instead of going all wizards and shit on us again. They've completely lost their way imo, perhaps this is their swansong?

With this remake, part of me is 100% excited to be revisiting Midgar and the Gold Saucer, but the other part of me might be disappointed as it won't ever stand up to those pre-rendered backgrounds and midi-music scores of the original. Nostalgia is a complete wally sometimes when it comes to things like this.

I guess it all depends on how the actual game plays regarding world navigation and fights. Perhaps more dedicated FF fans than me could hazard a guess at what might be in store.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: swordfish_bhoona on June 17, 2015, 12:19:04 AM
See something's already been lost in my eyes in that trailer alone. I'd rather they didn't have audible voices, but looks like theyre going to speak....that detracts from the game I think. Just don't think a souped up scene for scene remake will resonate with me in anywhere near the way the original did....but then I guess that's to be expected.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on June 17, 2015, 12:45:25 AM
My main worry is they'll add in all the expanded lore from all the other shite spin-offs and that the characters will be doing 50ft backflips everywhere. Even though there's some old staff around I'm not too keen that Nomura guy that's directing it. He's basically behind a lot of the worse Squeenix thing like the Advent Children film. He was a character designer on FFVII but I'm not sure he'll give it the right tone. Even just the monologue on the trailer feels off

Still, it'll all be worth it for HD Lady Cloud

Oh wait

(http://th00.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/i/2011/193/1/2/lightning_ffxiii_2_by_earisu_luvs_zakkusu-d3new4s.jpg)
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Urinal Cake on June 17, 2015, 01:17:44 AM
I'll probably have to get a PS4 for this, Shenmue and Persona 5. Ugh.
Hopefully they'll keep some iteration of the original turn-based combat.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: lazarou on June 17, 2015, 01:18:26 AM
If they keep it too like the original, the fans'll hate it for being clunky. If it's too different they'll hate it for being different. More than most games, I feel like this one has an impossible goal to live up to as it was such a formative experience. For many people, especially europeans, it was their first proper JRPG. It was also one of the tentpole examples of 3D multimedia "experiences" afforded by the new PlayStation, with huge amounts of content and spectacular cinematics in ways we take as standard with major RPGs now. People talk fondly of it while at the same time mocking the writing and pointing at Sephiroth as one of the lamest examples of too-cool-for-school villains a 13 year old boy could dream of. All the while square have been busy pissing on its legacy and retrofitting it in that emo runoff doll-faced style they've been trading in a little too often since FF8. Like they know it's a widely loved game but figured the defining draw was the hairstyling.

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My main worry is they'll add in all the expanded lore from all the other shite spin-offs and that the characters will be doing 50ft backflips everywhere. Even though there's some old staff around I'm not too keen that Nomura guy that's directing it. He's basically behind a lot of the worse Squeenix thing like the Advent Children film. He was a character designer on FFVII but I'm not sure he'll give it the right tone. Even just the monologue on the trailer feels off

If they can't steer clear of Advent Children this is destined for absolute shiteness, and they probably won't.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: gmoney on June 17, 2015, 01:23:22 AM
As long as they don't fuck with the materia system, I'll pump the arse of this forever.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Capt.Midnight on June 17, 2015, 10:49:36 AM
Even though there's some old staff around I'm not too keen that Nomura guy that's directing it. He's basically behind a lot of the worse Squeenix thing like the Advent Children film. He was a character designer on FFVII but I'm not sure he'll give it the right tone. Even just the monologue on the trailer feels off

All I remember of Advent Children was an uneven plot interspersed with lots of somersaults.

The FF7 trailer seems a bit 'Michael Bay', but at least the story, characters and world are already in place - it would be risky to change that too much.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Ignatius_S on June 17, 2015, 11:11:01 AM
I'll probably have to get a PS4 for this, Shenmue and Persona 5. Ugh.
Hopefully they'll keep some iteration of the original turn-based combat.

Persona 5 will be the only one of those games to be Sony exclusive and that one will also be on PS3.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: NoSleep on June 17, 2015, 11:30:01 AM
Even just the monologue on the trailer feels off

"FF7 is back"

Blimey, the return of FFVII and Shenmue on the same day? This is weird.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: surreal on June 17, 2015, 11:40:17 AM
I like this live reaction to the trailer being announced.  The Shenmue reveal at 4:30 is hilarious - warning, gets VERY loud.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lka3Qr00VKk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lka3Qr00VKk)


Grown men there, ladies and gentlemen.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Glebe on June 17, 2015, 01:20:51 PM
I had already reached my 20s when the original came out, but I fucking spent hours on that and FF8, which both had imagination, style and beauty to burn - not to mention smashing soundtracks. I was hooked on my Speccy 48K as a kid to start with, but certainly wasted a chunk of my adolescence and a bit of adulthood on games - it's why I don't play 'em anymore (not that I think adults shouldn't play video games or anything.).

On a side note, the Advent Children film is pretty bad.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: PAGATRON on June 17, 2015, 01:27:37 PM
Will it be as tough as the original? You could grind away for weeks building your player stats up to full then those optional bosses(Emerald and Ruby weapons I think) would piss all over you.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Capt.Midnight on June 17, 2015, 02:26:45 PM
I remember spending days grinding in here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jraXR2z2YdA

Just had a flashback to the spinning save points. Which were such a relief to see, especially after defeating a boss, or making some progress and wishing there was a save point coming up soon. That added a nice bit of tension, similar to Resident Evil's typewriters.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Urinal Cake on June 17, 2015, 08:40:30 PM
Persona 5 will be the only one of those games to be Sony exclusive and that one will also be on PS3.
Shenmue 3 is so far only for PC and PS4. We don't know how long FFVII will be a PS4 exclusive though. I could get a ps3 but it seems a waste to play one or two games.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Ignatius_S on June 17, 2015, 08:56:58 PM
Shenmue 3 is so far only for PC and PS4. We don't know how long FFVII will be a PS4 exclusive though. I could get a ps3 but it seems a waste to play one or two games.

Sure - I didn't know if you had a PS3 or had access to one, but if you did and had a suitable PC then you've got access to those games. The point was that none were PS4 exclusive - that said, I think one is worth considering and very much so if someone is interested in those games, but you didn't sound very keen!
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Urinal Cake on June 17, 2015, 09:10:27 PM
Ah ...it's just when I thought I was out they pulled me back in.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Ignatius_S on June 17, 2015, 09:13:31 PM
Ah ...it's just when I thought I was out they pulled me back in.

I was wondering how sincere that urgh! More importantly, buy one!
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Hollow on June 17, 2015, 11:17:17 PM
It'll be shit this...so much of Final Fantasy VII's charm is in the clunky graphics and the sparse MIDI soundtrack...they are going to piss all over it.

I hate Squaresoft these days...they have lost it.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cerys on June 18, 2015, 02:05:07 PM
I was doing okay with that trailer ... and then the Buster Sword hove into view.

I may have been bouncing up and down and fangirling like a fourteen-year-old boy ever since.

Time to get a PS4, then.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: NoSleep on June 18, 2015, 02:09:01 PM
Presumably this will be out in 2017 to mark the 20th anniversary of the original?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cerys on June 18, 2015, 02:12:11 PM
Good point.  Gives me extra time to limber up for HD Sephiroth, too.

Also, chocobo feeding.  No more thumb-bashing to get the numbers up to 99, which is always a bastard.  Sheesh, I must have played that game in double figures by now.

Edit - and HD Vincent.  Oooooh.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: monolith on June 18, 2015, 02:35:49 PM
So excited. Will probably be shit, but on the other hand it's hard to fuck up. Voices is the only thing that could be really irritating.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cerys on June 18, 2015, 02:41:43 PM
I'm now picturing stuff like the Materia Caves and the submarine - what's the betting the first time you see Emerald Weapon it just fades into view ahead of you, rather than you being able to see it clearly like in the original?   And the destruction of Sector 7 - that's a potential increase of PEGI right there.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Consignia on June 18, 2015, 02:51:19 PM
I'm sort of in the camp of "This doesn't really need remaking". Clunky as the original was, I think it had an aesthetic that worked for what it was. While the original is not going to win any new players now, I doubt the remake will either. I'm also a bit cautious of the tone of the remake; will the more realistic look remove the cartoon bits in the original?

Despite everything, I will be getting this no matter what.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Pdine on June 18, 2015, 02:56:21 PM
I'm sort of in the camp of "This doesn't really need remaking". Clunky as the original was, I think it had an aesthetic that worked for what it was. While the original is not going to win any new players now, I doubt the remake will either. I'm also a bit cautious of the tone of the remake; will the more realistic look remove the cartoon bits in the original?

Despite everything, I will be getting this no matter what.

Yeah I played a bit of the Steam rerelease last night and wondered how well the whole 'falls on arse then rubs it ruefully' style of character movement will work with 'cooler' models.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Ignatius_S on June 18, 2015, 03:28:34 PM
Presumably this will be out in 2017 to mark the 20th anniversary of the original?

That would be neat but really we have no idea – Final Fantasy XV was revealed about a decade ago and is only being released this year (date TBC). I’m sure (or rather hope) that we won’t have anything like that but E3 reveals can lead to lengthy waits When a HD remake has been mooted previously (http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Final-Fantasy-7-HD-Remake-Would-Take-Lot-Director-Says-62344.html) it sounds like it’s going to take a while – on the upside, as mentioned there (and this has been mentioned in the recent coverage) mulling over what changes might be made has been going on for a few years.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Ignatius_S on June 18, 2015, 03:33:26 PM
I'm sort of in the camp of "This doesn't really need remaking". Clunky as the original was, I think it had an aesthetic that worked for what it was. While the original is not going to win any new players now, I doubt the remake will either. I'm also a bit cautious of the tone of the remake; will the more realistic look remove the cartoon bits in the original?

Despite everything, I will be getting this no matter what.

There was about what the tone is going to be like in this interview, http://www.engadget.com/2015/06/17/final-fantasy-vii-remake-interview-e3-2015/:
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The trailer seemed pretty serious in tone. Will the occasional humor the original game carry through?

TN: The comedy or the lighthearted parts -- I like those. I don't want to change it that much. But we can't have these upgraded, beautiful 3D models of Cloud and Barrett, still lining up in a row, jumping forward to attack an enemy, then jumping back to wait for their next turn. That would be bizarre. Of course there will likely be changes there. But if we took away parts like the lighter moments of the game, then it would no longer be FFVII.


Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: hedgehog90 on June 18, 2015, 04:40:52 PM
FF7 was a mammoth of a game. Anything close to a faithful remake will be a ridiculously huge task, also take into account that FF15 will be the main focus for Square during the next couple years, not this.
I just can't imagine they'll bother with things like Chocobo breeding, Golden Saucer minigames, Yuffi's sideplot or other similarly delightful distractions.
While I'd love to believe this could be something to look forward to, I estimate that the odds of a decent remake at about 1%
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: monolith on June 18, 2015, 06:13:22 PM
I'm now picturing stuff like the Materia Caves and the submarine - what's the betting the first time you see Emerald Weapon it just fades into view ahead of you, rather than you being able to see it clearly like in the original?   And the destruction of Sector 7 - that's a potential increase of PEGI right there.
I remember very clearly the first time I saw Emerald weapon, thinking "Haha, who does this joker think he is? Time to die my fri.... DEAD."
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: monolith on June 18, 2015, 06:16:36 PM
FF7 was a mammoth of a game. Anything close to a faithful remake will be a ridiculously huge task, also take into account that FF15 will be the main focus for Square during the next couple years, not this.
I just can't imagine they'll bother with things like Chocobo breeding, Golden Saucer minigames, Yuffi's sideplot or other similarly delightful distractions.
While I'd love to believe this could be something to look forward to, I estimate that the odds of a decent remake at about 1%
To be honest, whilst I played the shit out of every aspect of the original game and completed everything that was possible to complete... I would still get a lot of enjoyment from a next gen linear play through of the main storyline. And that's the absolute worst case scenario.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on June 18, 2015, 06:18:25 PM
It's a remake, I'm fine with not following everything that in the original and making changes. It can it's own thing. For me it's more about it hitting the right tone. It's encouraging that they talked about wanting to keep in some of the lighter elements at least.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Capt.Midnight on June 18, 2015, 11:14:23 PM
I just can't imagine they'll bother with things like Chocobo breeding, Golden Saucer minigames, Yuffi's sideplot or other similarly delightful distractions.

I hope they do, because they were the best bits. The Golden Saucer pretty much epitomised western capitalism, consumerism and society's need to ignore the problems of the real world, especially as it had a slum just outside the entrance, forcing you to walk through it. And once you were inside you could spend all your gil on pointless distractions.

Also, there is no chance in hell they can re-invent Cait Sith as a cool, modern character, he was just absolutely fucking ridiculous.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on June 18, 2015, 11:19:04 PM
I'm still not sure what he actually is.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Johnny Textface on June 18, 2015, 11:23:58 PM
It was like a cat on a bin. Unnerving.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on June 18, 2015, 11:33:42 PM
Well it's a remote controlled plush cat riding a robot moogle, and the robot cat is being controlled by Reeve, but Reeve still seems to be able to control him while in Shinra meetings, so maybe it has some sort of auto-pilot function. But it's also supposed to be a sad thing when they sacrifice the first one's body in the temple of the ancients, but then the replacement shows up literally seconds afterwards.

The cat seems to have some distinct personality from Reeve as well at times, but not at others.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: lazarou on June 18, 2015, 11:43:15 PM
I hope they all make a bizarrely big deal about their mobile phones.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Capt.Midnight on June 18, 2015, 11:46:47 PM
If someone pitched the character of Caith Sith for a new Final fantasy, I imagine they would lose their job.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Urinal Cake on June 19, 2015, 12:12:55 AM
'Hey I'm the new Cait Sith!'
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Pseudopath on June 19, 2015, 12:16:47 AM
"There's plenty of stuffed toys like my body around, but there's only one me!"

Bullshit, Cait Sith. Bullshit.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cerys on June 19, 2015, 12:03:24 PM
I hope they all make a bizarrely big deal about their mobile phones.

They get mobile phones in the original, once they make it to the World Map.  Presumably they can't use them in Midgar because of reasons, so getting out and suddenly being able to get signal will be a big deal.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Charles Babbage on June 19, 2015, 06:58:37 PM
This time, Hojo remembers to close the door behind him on the 67th[1] floor of the Shinra building. Game ends there.
 1. I think
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cerys on June 20, 2015, 12:02:12 PM
Apparently there is a hope that DLC will allow you to save Aeris.  I hope so, too.  And that doing so will be all kinds of wonderful, until the last few minutes of the game, at which point Aeris explains that no, she can't stop Meteor from crashing into the planet because she was supposed to die, and the last x number of hours of play have been a total waste.  Cue gnashing of Aeris-loving teeth.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on June 20, 2015, 12:13:41 PM
Tifa's much better than Aeris anyway. It's much more interesting when you realize that for the first two-thirds of the game she's not quite sure how to tell Cloud he's completely lost his mind.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: The Boston Crab on June 20, 2015, 12:33:23 PM
I tried to replay this recently but my interest was staggered by the random battles. I haven't really touched it for seventeen years so much of the story and character stuff is very vague but what stuck with me and what was still there in spades was the atmosphere and the music. I wonder whether how the random fights will be incorporated, I really don't know what JRPG convention is now.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cerys on June 20, 2015, 12:40:55 PM
Tifa's much better than Aeris anyway. It's much more interesting when you realize that for the first two-thirds of the game she's not quite sure how to tell Cloud he's completely lost his mind.

Yeah, I love that.  Each playthrough, I try to make sure that Aeris doesn't get the date with Cloud in the Golden Saucer, so he usually gets Tifa instead.  One of my additional techniques is to kill Aeris in a battle and then not heal her, so every time there's a new battle she just lies there.  It's oddly satisfying.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Mister Six on June 20, 2015, 02:52:34 PM
Time to get a PS4, then.

Fallout 4 coming out in November not enough motivation?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Mister Six on June 20, 2015, 02:58:03 PM
FF7 was a mammoth of a game. Anything close to a faithful remake will be a ridiculously huge task, also take into account that FF15 will be the main focus for Square during the next couple years, not this.
I just can't imagine they'll bother with things like Chocobo breeding, Golden Saucer minigames, Yuffi's sideplot or other similarly delightful distractions.
While I'd love to believe this could be something to look forward to, I estimate that the odds of a decent remake at about 1%

Nah, there's no way at all that they won't do a straight adaptation of everything in the original at the bare minimum. Probably toss in a couple of new weapons and maybe another minigame or two as well. They know how beloved this game is, and the expectations that people will have. Giving less than people got the first time around just won't be a possibility; the negative feedback will bodyslam sales.

Still doesn't mean it'll actually be GOOD, though!
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Urinal Cake on June 20, 2015, 03:02:20 PM
Keep ATB and random battles. Also maybe ELP will sue Square now.

I know this will be still more shit than p5 but whatever. As long I get to date Barrett I'll be happy.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Consignia on June 20, 2015, 03:10:51 PM
Nah, there's no way at all that they won't do a straight adaptation of everything in the original at the bare minimum. Probably toss in a couple of new weapons and maybe another minigame or two as well. They know how beloved this game is, and the expectations that people will have.

If they were really concerned about keeping it clouds to the original, they would have kept the anime aesthetic. Instead it's looking all compilation of final fantasy 7, and I think things are going to be sacrificed to match.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on June 20, 2015, 03:13:29 PM
I'd say get rid of random battles but keep a turn-based materia system. People will be fucking raging either way though.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cerys on June 20, 2015, 03:45:51 PM
As long I get to date Barrett I'll be happy.

I've never managed to date Barrett.  I've managed Tifa and Yuffie, but every time I think I've got Barrett it turns out to be Aeris again.  Bunny boiling bitch.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Consignia on June 20, 2015, 04:17:00 PM
Isn't it an absolute pain to get Barrett? I mean like, you'd never discover it by accident, you have to very specific things which necessitate a guide?

Does show what a kitchen sink of a game FFVII was, having dating sim elements.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cerys on June 20, 2015, 04:39:12 PM
One day I shall have a date with Barrett.  One day.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: hedgehog90 on June 20, 2015, 06:31:47 PM
When I first played FF7 in 1997 and I was 7, there was nothing I wanted more than to see Cloud and Tifa fuck. I can remember watching the ending cutscene with bated breath. I just assumed they would show them do a bit of sex, it was Japanese after all! What a flippin' let down.
It was somewhat consoling though to see Red XIII with all his future kiddies, my underdeveloped sex-obsessed mind just thought "OMG HE HAD SEX!"

This was back when I believed you could see a clip of Lara Croft get naked at the end of Tomb Raider 2 if you completed it under a certain time.
Ah... those were the days.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: lazarou on June 20, 2015, 06:54:04 PM
Getting serious flashbacks to late '90s internet from that last story there. Tifa porn EVERYWHERE
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cerys on June 20, 2015, 07:07:56 PM
I remember at least one playthrough in which I named her Busty.  Mind you, I also named her Fati and Aeris Arsie at least twice.  Fun times.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Consignia on June 20, 2015, 07:20:07 PM
When I first played through it, I rented it with a friend, as I recall he named the characters thus:

Cloud: Claude
Barret: Mr. T
Tifa: Lara C.
Aeris: Bitch Cow
Red XIII: Tiddles

I can't remember the others, but we didn't get Vincent or Yuffie. I do wish he'd picked a better name for Aeris, though, I had to finish that save with those stupid names, and later events were hard to take seriously with Bitch Cow at the forefront.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on June 20, 2015, 07:20:44 PM
When I first played FF7 in 1997 and I was 7, there was nothing I wanted more than to see Cloud and Tifa fuck. I can remember watching the ending cutscene with bated breath. I just assumed they would show them do a bit of sex, it was Japanese after all! What a flippin' let down.
It was somewhat consoling though to see Red XIII with all his future kiddies, my underdeveloped sex-obsessed mind just thought "OMG HE HAD SEX!"


A couple of people at my school insisted if you got Cloud and Tifa to level 99 there was a scene where they had sex at the end. I mean I wanted to max out the characters anyway, and I was sure they were lying, but it didn't stop it being disappointing.

Although there is the scene at the end of disc 2 that kind of implies they do it. And I read they did cut something that implied it a lot more heavily.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: hedgehog90 on June 21, 2015, 12:28:07 AM
When I first played through it, I rented it with a friend, as I recall he named the characters thus:

Cloud: Claude
Barret: Mr. T
Tifa: Lara C.
Aeris: Bitch Cow
Red XIII: Tiddles

I can't remember the others, but we didn't get Vincent or Yuffie. I do wish he'd picked a better name for Aeris, though, I had to finish that save with those stupid names, and later events were hard to take seriously with Bitch Cow at the forefront.

In FF8 you got to name the summons, so given the opportunity I named Shiva 'your pants'.
I can remember being breathless with laughter when confronted with the line:
"I underestimated the power of your pants"

Good times.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: thraxx on June 21, 2015, 12:32:19 AM
When I first played through it, I rented it with a friend, as I recall he named the characters thus:

Cloud: Claude
Barret: Mr. T
Tifa: Lara C.
Aeris: Bitch Cow
Red XIII: Tiddles

I can't remember the others, but we didn't get Vincent or Yuffie. I do wish he'd picked a better name for Aeris, though, I had to finish that save with those stupid names, and later events were hard to take seriously with Bitch Cow at the forefront.

This is what I called mine:

Cloud: Cocklord
Barret: Nightcock
Tifa: Flaps
Aeris: Jizzler
Red XIII: Ballbag

I still always call characters in games on of these names.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Urinal Cake on June 21, 2015, 12:34:15 AM
I followed a guide to get Barrett. I also got the Gold Chocobo\KOR- my friends thought I was stupid and had fallen for an Internet prank.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on June 21, 2015, 12:38:27 AM
In FF8 you got to name the summons, so given the opportunity I named Shiva 'your pants'.
I can remember being breathless with laughter when confronted with the line:
"I underestimated the power of your pants"

Good times.

You can also name Angelo, Rinoa's Dog that she uses in Limit breaks. I don't know if it was someone here that named him "Spunk" so you got the moves "Spunk Cannon" and "Spunk Strike"
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Phil_A on June 21, 2015, 08:23:52 AM
In FF8 you got to name the summons, so given the opportunity I named Shiva 'your pants'.
I can remember being breathless with laughter when confronted with the line:
"I underestimated the power of your pants"

Good times.

Ah yes, FF8 was made much more entertaining for me when it became the saga of Bumface Leonhart and his nemesis, Stouffer.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: HappyTree on June 21, 2015, 10:55:25 AM
I have never played any FF game. An HD remake of the ultimate classic of the series looks like a good place to start.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cerys on June 21, 2015, 11:19:35 AM
In FF8 you got to name the summons, so given the opportunity I named Shiva 'your pants'.
I can remember being breathless with laughter when confronted with the line:
"I underestimated the power of your pants"

Good times.

I named Rinoa 'my arse', for similar comedy potential.  'There's something wrong with my arse!' for example.

You can also name Angelo, Rinoa's Dog that she uses in Limit breaks. I don't know if it was someone here that named him "Spunk" so you got the moves "Spunk Cannon" and "Spunk Strike"

I tend to call him Sputum.  And the GFs Mr Firey, Mr Sloshy, Icebint, Earthbint, etc.  Apart from Griever, who is usually Syphilis.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Mister Six on June 21, 2015, 05:20:15 PM
The hearty chuckles I enjoyed every time I reloaded my FF10 save game and remembered that I'd called the protagonist "Bumducks" were about the most fun I had with that dreck.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: lazarou on June 21, 2015, 06:24:22 PM
I have never played any FF game. An HD remake of the ultimate classic of the series looks like a good place to start.
They're remaking Final Fantasy 6 too?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Hollow on June 21, 2015, 06:25:59 PM
Hehehe...you're right as well.

Final Fantasy VI is a real masterpiece...Seven is still amazing though...it's just not on the SNES.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cerys on June 21, 2015, 07:28:15 PM
Oh, VI is beautiful.  Maybe if VII's remake is a success they'll redo VI as well.

Please.  Oh, please.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: hedgehog90 on June 21, 2015, 07:58:53 PM
I tried VI for about 10 minutes.
I just remember it had a dreadful beginning when your character is in a cave whilst enemies come from different passages. Total snooze fest I thought.
As a massive fan of VII is it weird I never got into VI?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Consignia on June 21, 2015, 08:04:59 PM
It took me several years to get into FF6. The beginning is quite cold and there's a couple of difficult boss fights early on. I did finally get into it awhile back, and smashed through it over a christmas period playing it on a console rather than an emulator. And it is really good, but it's nowhere near as instantly gratifying as 7. I preferred 7, but I could see why others would take 6 over it.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: NoSleep on June 21, 2015, 08:11:40 PM
Remember how our team is a terrorist group? I wonder how they'll play that out in the remake?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Hollow on June 21, 2015, 09:01:21 PM
I tried VI for about 10 minutes.
I just remember it had a dreadful beginning when your character is in a cave whilst enemies come from different passages. Total snooze fest I thought.
As a massive fan of VII is it weird I never got into VI?

You give up fast...all games have dreadful beginnings, more or less...Press 'square' to duck kind of tedium.

After about three hours it really gets brilliant.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Hollow on June 21, 2015, 09:05:50 PM
Has anyone played the NES version of FFVII?

It's a weird demake...of a chinese game...it follows the events quite well, worth a look.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: clingfilm portent on June 22, 2015, 02:13:10 AM
I named Rinoa 'my arse', for similar comedy potential.  'There's something wrong with my arse!' for example.

I tend to call him Sputum.  And the GFs Mr Firey, Mr Sloshy, Icebint, Earthbint, etc.  Apart from Griever, who is usually Syphilis.

Oh for fucks sake will you grow up? Jesus H Christ.

Anyway,

Cloud: your dad
Barret: your dad's boyfriend
Tifa: your mam
Aeris: your sister
Red XIII: your gran
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: madhair60 on June 22, 2015, 10:40:57 AM
First RPG I ever played, FFVII.  Had an appealing air of naughtiness, what with Barret saying "shit" and Cloud being sexually assaulted.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: monolith on June 22, 2015, 10:56:29 AM
I think I also called Aeris "Bitch". I think some mates were over and I thought it was really funny.

Like others, after many hours invested I came to regret this juvenile decision.

Was such a joy to have her called "Aeris" on subsequent play throughs (of which there were many, the most recent being in 2011).
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cerys on June 22, 2015, 10:59:30 AM
I called her 'Dead Meat' once.  I think that was the same playthrough in which I called Yuffie 'Roadkill'.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Kishi the Bad Lampshade on July 03, 2015, 05:06:44 PM
Beaten to it by a tagger, but is all the gay sauna stuff coming back?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on July 03, 2015, 05:12:09 PM
See they've said they'll bring back the crossdressing stuff, but there's some really weird shit that happens if you go to the Honey Bee Inn. I imagine it'll be a slightly sanitized version.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: NoSleep on July 03, 2015, 05:55:02 PM
Will they still be terrorists?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on July 03, 2015, 06:04:57 PM
I wondered about that, it was unusual at the time it'll seem really off now.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Hollow on July 04, 2015, 10:42:10 AM
They are eco-terrorists though...they care about the planet.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: NoSleep on July 04, 2015, 01:14:26 PM
And they don't mind taking out a few innocent bystanders toward the greater cause.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Consignia on July 04, 2015, 01:34:48 PM
I think there's a bit of paranoia about what will be taken out. I reckon it'll be quite faithful in terms of the actual content; terrorism, cross dressing, Gold Saucer all there. I think there'll be some weasling around how much terrorist they are with a lot more justification for the cause. However, I'm still concerned about the tone of the piece, I just think it's going to take itself too seriously.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Mister Six on July 10, 2015, 08:59:00 AM
And they don't mind taking out a few innocent bystanders toward the greater cause.

But the whole point of the team's character arc is that once they recognise the massive damage they're causing, they come to regret their decisions and turn their backs on their old lifestyles.

Conveniently, a mega-corporation, a sword-wielding maniac, a slimy alien tentacle thing and five giant fuck-off super monsters all kick shit off before any of the protagonists have to do anything like turn themselves in to the authorities. Still.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: NoSleep on July 10, 2015, 09:21:12 AM
But the whole point of the team's character arc is that once they recognise the massive damage they're causing, they come to regret their decisions and turn their backs on their old lifestyles.

Conveniently, a mega-corporation, a sword-wielding maniac, a slimy alien tentacle thing and five giant fuck-off super monsters all kick shit off before any of the protagonists have to do anything like turn themselves in to the authorities. Still.

I recall they regret killing innocent bystanders from the very beginning but see it as fair do's in the bigger scheme of things. They provoke Shinra into far deadlier retribution than could have been conceived, if that's what you mean by "massive damage", but the story's moved on immediately. The group have a better view of what they must do/prevent as the story unfolds (rather than changing their "lifestyles").
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Mister Six on July 11, 2015, 09:57:51 AM
I definitely recall scenes in the immediate aftermath of Shinra's retaliation and again in the Golden Saucer in which Cloud and Barret both worry about the decisions they've made. They're not unrepentant.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: clingfilm portent on July 11, 2015, 02:53:25 PM
I'm more worried about how they will handle the Honeybee Mansion and the showdown with the Don.

TFW You're about to be savaged by 7 gay bears

(http://borderhouseblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/HoneyBee.jpg)
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on July 11, 2015, 04:09:51 PM
Honeybee Inn and Don Corneos mansion are different things!

I suspect the Honeybee Inn might take a very different form.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cerys on July 20, 2015, 11:52:26 AM
I got a date with Barret!  I now have the full set.  This pleases me greatly.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: clingfilm portent on July 20, 2015, 02:51:31 PM
Honeybee Inn and Don Corneos mansion are different things!

I suspect the Honeybee Inn might take a very different form.

Alright mate its only been nearly 20 years
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on July 20, 2015, 03:01:44 PM
TRU FANS WOULD REMEMBER FILTHY CASUL
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cerys on August 24, 2015, 08:58:35 PM
Assuming anyone gives a damn, I am now grinding in the North Crater so I can get lots of lovely Master materia.  I've already got one each of Command, Magic and Summon, but I want more, dammit.  More!
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: monolith on August 31, 2015, 03:59:08 PM
You can sell a mastered All materia for something silly, over a million if memory serves.

Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on August 31, 2015, 07:04:44 PM
Yep but there's nothing to spend that money on. You'll have earned enough to buy everything in the game at that point anyway.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Consignia on August 31, 2015, 07:15:22 PM
In fairness, you can master All materia quite early on, though can't you? Like mid-first disc. And that leaves you never having to worry about gil ever.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on September 01, 2015, 02:08:58 AM
Oh hang on I misread monoliths post.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: monolith on September 01, 2015, 06:18:53 AM
Always thought it was a cop out not being able to use quadra magic with Knights of the Round.

It would have bored the shit out of you for quarter of an hour but you could one shot most bosses apart from the obvious two (and even they couldn't survive more than 3x4).
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: hewantstolurkatad on September 02, 2015, 07:10:01 AM
Always thought it was a cop out not being able to use quadra magic with Knights of the Round.

It would have bored the shit out of you for quarter of an hour but you could one shot most bosses apart from the obvious two (and even they couldn't survive more than 3x4).
Presumably you could use quadra with KotR if you had HP<=>MP equipped too? The restriction was it required 1000MP and you generally only have 999 as a maximum..
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Consignia on December 07, 2015, 09:06:47 AM
Amazing how much interest can be sapped over a weekend. First, the gameplay is such a huge change, that's already not the game we loved. Action RPG style more akin to FF15, which is fine for a new game but why bother for a remake.

And there's this:

https://twitter.com/mochi_wsj/status/673687789267902464
Quote
and SquareEnix says FF7 Remake's data size so huge; the software will be split into several titles (for example, FF7-Remake 1, FF7-Remake 2)

Episodic? Man alive.

If they are updating it to modern styles, let's add loads of micro-transactions as well. Fire spells 99p a pop. Knights of The Round Summon £5 (one use). A truckload of Gil - £40.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Hangthebuggers on December 07, 2015, 10:06:08 AM
Episodic?

Fuck that then..
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: monolith on December 07, 2015, 10:35:51 AM
Cunts know I'll still buy it. Cunts.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on December 07, 2015, 11:14:34 AM
Honestly don't think this is as bad an idea as a lot of people seem to think, some interesting reasons why

http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a776436/final-fantasy-vii-remake-is-episodic-but-it-couldnt-be-made-otherwise/

I mean I don't doubt that it'll lose a lot of freedom and exploration that VII had, but it would anyway. We still don't know a lot about how these episodes will be structured, but I do think there's parts where splitting things into episodes makes sense.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: touchingcloth on December 07, 2015, 11:27:23 AM
Does anyone know what's happening with the music for the remake? The original was so iconic they'd either have to keep it in its original form, or score a whole new soundtrack - a simple re-orchestration wouldn't cut it. That applies to the game as a whole really - perhaps it's a good thing that it's being overhauled rather than simply remade, because the original is perfect in a way that shiny new graphics will never be able to improve upon.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Consignia on December 07, 2015, 11:27:32 AM
Problem is, what once was a nice continuous block of a game is being split piecemeal into various slices. FFVII was always rather linear, splitting it up into episodes should be really easy; for example I can already see:

Episode 1: Midgar
Episode 2: Kalm to Rocket Town - Introduces all mjor characters
Episode 3: Everything up to That Event
Episode 4: Finding Cloud
Episode 5: To the end

But physically splitting it will break the pace and make it feel smaller.

I understand their reasons for doing it, but it quells my interest.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Obel on December 07, 2015, 11:54:01 AM
FFVII was my first foray into RPG's, I'd never really played a game like it at the time, so I hope some people here shared my sense of wonder when I spent so many hours dicking around in Midgar only to leave and realize I'm in this massive world. That is one of my fondest gaming memories. If leaving Midgar was the end of an episode it totally shits on that feeling.

TBH this looks wank anyway. I knew it wouldn't be for me. I had ideas of what these characters sounded like in my own head, it was obvious that the voice acting would be the biggest turn off, but hearing how bad they sound in the trailer just drives that fact home.
I know the original still exists, but still, I just want it to be left alone as a pure artifact of its time.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Consignia on December 07, 2015, 12:07:15 PM
FFVII was my first foray into RPG's, I'd never really played a game like it at the time, so I hope some people here shared my sense of wonder when I spent so many hours dicking around in Midgar only to leave and realize I'm in this massive world. That is one of my fondest gaming memories.

Yeah, I don't think there were many JRPGs before FFVII released in the UK, so I think your experience would be shared as for many the genre would have been quite novel at the time. In fairness, the world is quite sparse and no one location is anywhere near the size of Midgar. But it felt big.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Obel on December 07, 2015, 12:13:48 PM
Yeah true, but that didn't matter to me as the game expanded in different ways. You only find your first summon at the Chocobo ranch, the same time you realize you can ride around on these things! It was a one two punch of excitement. Then later there's the Gold Saucer, which I spent so much time in. Games within a game! It never surprises me that FFVII is so close to peoples hearts.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: NoSleep on December 07, 2015, 12:14:12 PM
At least we all still have the original. I would have been more interested in this if they hadn't decided to go for Action RPG (would have preferred a system like FFXIV instead, as that worked brilliantly). The idea that it has to be episodic seems like an afterthought to milk the tremendous enthusiasm from gamers for the redux for all they can; there's no reason to stretch it out like that, they have plenty of experience in presenting epic length RPGs so they fuck the fuck off.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Obel on December 07, 2015, 12:23:27 PM
Yeah this nonsense about it being too big to fit as one game is bollocks. Final Fantasy VII was too big to be on a disc so they just had three discs. VIII and IX had four!
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Utter Shit on December 07, 2015, 12:28:20 PM
Amazing how much interest can be sapped over a weekend. First, the gameplay is such a huge change, that's already not the game we loved. Action RPG style more akin to FF15, which is fine for a new game but why bother for a remake.

Completely disagree - I loved FF7 as it was, but having Midgar brought into the 21st Century as a fully explorable open world got me so excited. The only things that bothered me about videos they've put out are that the voice acting doesn't sound too good (Barett in particular is awful) and Cloud looks like a skinny wee ponce.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Utter Shit on December 07, 2015, 12:31:14 PM
FFVII was my first foray into RPG's, I'd never really played a game like it at the time, so I hope some people here shared my sense of wonder when I spent so many hours dicking around in Midgar only to leave and realize I'm in this massive world. That is one of my fondest gaming memories.

Funnily enough I had the opposite feeling - Midgar was so perfectly realised as a living, breathing city that getting onto the world map and having to fly from isolated town to isolated town was slightly underwhelming by comparison. Almost all of my favourite memories of FF7 are from the early hours in Midgar.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: clingfilm portent on December 07, 2015, 12:51:13 PM
I was a bit underwhelmed by the fact that no town or city in the world of FFVII had as much to explore as Midgar, in fact I couldn't really shake the feeling that some places appeared to be comprised of a couple of streets and and about a dozen buildings, though the fact that they were all gorgeously detailed made up for it.

But like Obel, that feeling of leaving Midgar and going out into the wide open world felt monumental to 10-year old me. Just magic.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: NoSleep on December 07, 2015, 01:17:55 PM
And, of course, the size of Midgar compared to the towns and locations elsewhere is part of the story; it's a huge wart on the planet that has appeared in recent history.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: touchingcloth on December 07, 2015, 01:23:52 PM
And, of course, the size of your mum compared to the towns and locations elsewhere is part of the story; it's a huge wart on the planet that has appeared in recent history.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cerys on December 08, 2015, 05:31:07 PM
Cloud looks like a skinny wee ponce.

Wasn't he always a skinny wee ponce?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: NoSleep on December 08, 2015, 05:32:16 PM
He used to be SOLDIER and sports a huge fuck-off sword (and has a physique like Popeye). Bit of a poncy haircut is all.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Consignia on December 08, 2015, 05:40:52 PM
What about Sephiroth? Ultimate life form, mega powered destroyer of worlds. Looks like he's made of twigs.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: touchingcloth on December 08, 2015, 05:55:35 PM
The trailer is a bit meh. I do like the idea of exploring a more 3-dimensional Midgar, but the trailer doesn't grab me at all. I remember coming in my pants when I first saw previews of FFV in Playstation mags, and then the experience of playing the game was that of endlessly coming in my pants. The artwork and the music and the epicness of the story all combined to make you totally forget that you were maneuvering the shittiest looking collections of polygons about the place, and no remake is ever going to live up to that. I'd have a go out of curiosity if a friend bought it, but it's not something which is seriously making me consider heading out to buy a Pea Ess For.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Hangthebuggers on December 08, 2015, 06:58:32 PM
As others have said, I really hope they implement the familiar music from the original. The original game wouldn't have worked half as well without those tunes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIEsjpTaAB0&index=15&list=PL80A1E9B2848DFAE0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tazMqLmzhs&list=PL80A1E9B2848DFAE0&index=32

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1T3srk8Dkuo&list=PL80A1E9B2848DFAE0&index=45

Timeless.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Obel on December 08, 2015, 07:28:46 PM
How can you not post the best FFVII track?

https://youtu.be/CtP3OAg_ft0
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Hangthebuggers on December 08, 2015, 07:32:19 PM
How can you not post the best FFVII track?

https://youtu.be/CtP3OAg_ft0

See also:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtPzScXRxhE&list=PLBC6E9C0EC45A8D09&index=62

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qg6HnIxCX4g&index=65&list=PLBC6E9C0EC45A8D09
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: The Boston Crab on December 08, 2015, 08:42:20 PM
How can you not post the best FFVII track?

https://youtu.be/CtP3OAg_ft0

Gettin down. Slam dancin.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Johnny Textface on December 08, 2015, 08:52:20 PM
Don't understand people moaning about how this is looking. They can still play the original (only reason I keep my ps1), there's also a remake on the pc which is decent. Another rebadging would have been pointless and a waste of time.

Also, new music please. Don't get me wrong, I love the original soundtrack but, again can listen while I play the original.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Consignia on December 08, 2015, 11:06:18 PM
I don't think I've liked any in game music as much as this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCXs-Gpld_8&list=PLBC6E9C0EC45A8D09&index=20
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Urinal Cake on December 08, 2015, 11:16:45 PM
I'm good with the graphics, dialogue changes and can accept the updated battle system. But I hope this chapter business bites Square in the ass.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Johnny Textface on December 09, 2015, 08:58:05 AM
One thing that annoyed me about the original was the lack of variety in the battle music. Considering there were literally 100s of them.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on December 09, 2015, 09:22:27 AM
Yeah but that's just JRPG's

I'm good with the graphics, dialogue changes and can accept the updated battle system. But I hope this chapter business bites Square in the ass.

This seems rather harsh. I mean if they split it up into like 20 parts and charge full price for every one of them maybe, but I think it's fair enough to say it's a much bigger undertaking to make FFVII in this style. I mean Final Fantasy's have all been shorter and simpler since FF10. So if they've planned it out and realized it wouldn't be profitable if they weren't doing it this way then I think we should at least wait and see.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Mister Six on December 09, 2015, 09:54:41 AM
I thought SquareEnix was rolling in it, the fucking megabucks shite they churn out. The last FF game I played was FFXIII and that was basically 50 shit Pixar-level CGI movies bodged together, interspersed with a few battle scenes that actually seemed to resent me for getting involved.

Or have gamers wised up and stopped buying their "games", and now they're skint?

Jesus, I don't need a fully 3D Midgar. Just re-render those backgrounds and videos in HD and replace the weird super-deformed sprites with ones shaped like actual humans.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: touchingcloth on December 09, 2015, 10:47:37 AM
Jesus, I don't need a fully 3D Midgar. Just re-render those backgrounds and videos in HD and replace the weird super-deformed sprites with ones shaped like actual humans.

Was it someone on this site (perhaps even this very thread) who liked to the lost art of Final Fantasy (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=551612)? It's nice seeing the full size artwork that was downsampled to fuck to fit into PAL's 576 lines of pixels.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: NoSleep on December 09, 2015, 11:11:03 AM
At least we all still have the original. I would have been more interested in this if they hadn't decided to go for Action RPG (would have preferred a system like FFXIV instead, as that worked brilliantly). The idea that it has to be episodic seems like an afterthought to milk the tremendous enthusiasm from gamers for the redux for all they can; there's no reason to stretch it out like that, they have plenty of experience in presenting epic length RPGs so they fuck the fuck off.

I meant FFXII
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cloud on December 09, 2015, 11:19:37 AM
Well then.  Here we go again.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Urinal Cake on December 09, 2015, 11:41:36 AM
I can understand the changes- that's what current gamers expect. But with purchasing each chapter people rightfully should expect more content whether it's side missions, different loot or story branches because we know  Aeries dies and KORT kills everything. Which I can't see Square doing unless it's another prequel or sequel.

Square, iirc has doing well off other IP but FF has become garbage ( with a redemption to tolerable for ffXIV) which only will change if the ff7 remake or FFXV  is worth it.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: The Boston Crab on December 09, 2015, 11:54:39 AM
Isn't a large part of the charm and atmosphere of FF7 precisely because the visuals suggest much more than they show? The rendered backgrounds in Midgar, for example, are presented at quite unusual angles and there are lots of walled off sections. Your imagination fills in a lot of the terrain and scale.

I'm replaying it at the moment, having not touched it in fifteen years, but my enduring memory of Midgar is false, from a gameplay perspective. It's an impressionistic presentation which suggests much much more than it shows, and this is its great atmospheric strength. Can you really improve on this by allowing you to see every corner of Sector 7?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: NoSleep on December 09, 2015, 11:56:29 AM
Square, iirc has doing well off other IP but FF has become garbage ( with a redemption to tolerable for ffXIV) which only will change if the ff7 remake or FFXV  is worth it.

I read somewhere (recently) that Square consider FFIX (FF Online) the definitive version of the game.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Urinal Cake on December 09, 2015, 12:09:27 PM
I think FFXI has made the most money.

I remember when a journalist asked whether a sequel to either Chrono T/C or Vagrant Story will ever be made Square said people should've bought more copies. It's not like Square lost money on those properties either.

Actually a remake of Vagrant Story would be ace. 
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: NoSleep on December 09, 2015, 12:20:52 PM
Vagrant Story is one of my favourite games, which is why I like FFXII so much (as it is presented in the same world and was originally directed by Yatsumi Matsuno, who walked out on the project because he didn't have the directorial control over the game he envisioned). I have lined up some earlier games by Yasumi Matsuno (FF Tactics, Tactics Ogre, Ogre Battle) which I am looking forward to play.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cloud on December 09, 2015, 03:05:19 PM
But yeah the trailer does look amazing and it seems like they've managed to make what I've seen of Midgar and characters like Wedge exactly how I imagined them.  Not too sure about the voices yet... they don't sound like the guys from AC, but I haven't looked into it.

I'm not too fussed about it being a different battle system any more - they're bound to bugger up the materia system by presenting you some sort of overcomplicated branch levelling thing where you have to decide whether to take your ice materia down the "+2 mag vs. fire" path or the "-50 MP per cast" path and all that, and keeping battles the same would just highlight how much it's "the same but different".  Better to have it play completely differently and have a reason to carry on replaying the original!

Was annoyed at the idea of it being split into chapters, because you just know it'll be £50 per chapter and that's just not the kind of money I can easily justify pissing away these days.  They know I'll end up doing it anyway though.  I pretty much bought the PS4 for Type 0 (which was promptly bought to PC about a week after I got it)
On the other hand if it takes that much to make an awesome retelling then fine.  I mean, if chapter 1 is a load of crap then no one will buy chapter 2, so it's in their best interests.  No doubt we've got a LOT of time to save up yet.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Obel on December 09, 2015, 03:13:32 PM
Reading that back made me think how they did Sonic the Hedgehog 4 in an episodic way... and only got to part 2 before giving up. I suppose people will buy FFVII remakes regardless though.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: monolith on December 12, 2015, 08:58:37 AM
Completely disagree - I loved FF7 as it was, but having Midgar brought into the 21st Century as a fully explorable open world got me so excited. The only things that bothered me about videos they've put out are that the voice acting doesn't sound too good (Barett in particular is awful) and Cloud looks like a skinny wee ponce.
Voice acting not too good? Fucking hell, did you ever play FFX?

Feels like they've got De Niro and Pacino in comparison to the abominations of FFX.

(Edit: Not saying it's great, but I was worried we'd be getting FFX quality).
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on December 12, 2015, 10:15:08 AM
I think X's problem was more that they Square didn't have much experience directing voice actors and the localisation was quite poor. FFXII despite being very dull overall did a good job in this regard.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Obel on December 12, 2015, 10:40:39 AM
Voice acting not too good? Fucking hell, did you ever play FFX?

Feels like they've got De Niro and Pacino in comparison to the abominations of FFX.

(Edit: Not saying it's great, but I was worried we'd be getting FFX quality).

You just reminded me of this wonderfully inspired video:  https://youtu.be/9cyx6nWdFas
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: NoSleep on December 12, 2015, 11:45:16 AM
I think X's problem was more that they Square didn't have much experience directing voice actors and the localisation was quite poor. FFXII despite being very dull overall did a good job in this regard.

FFXII has both good and some terrible acting. From the variance from actor to actor it seems they were virtually left to direct themselves (and some parts are harder than others to carry off). So some actors (who must have read the script and got a feel for the plot and the for the required weight of their words at each point in the story) work well, whilst others are clearly just reading words from a piece of paper they have just seen for the first time and that they have no understanding of. The same guy wrote the English script for FFXII who had written the script for Vagrant Story, which worked well, as it had (beautiful) comic book-style captions rather than voice acting. The same Shakespearean-like language is bound to fail with actors who don't have an understanding of the text they have to read. The worst offender was principle baddie Vayne Solidor (voice by Elijah Alexander) who seems to be literally phoning in his lines from start to finish. An early example (from his opening address) that I can remember is his delivery of the phrase "infant peace", where "infant" is an adjective, giving the meaning that this peace is in its early days and perhaps a little fragile. He manages to make it sound like it's peace for infants. Of the main characters in the group the best of the bunch are Balthier and Basch, whilst least effective was Fran with Vaan slightly better than that. Edit: Actually Balthier, Basch, Ashe & Penelo are all pretty good.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Sexton Brackets Drugbust on December 12, 2015, 02:01:10 PM
FFXII's the one where Zaphod Beeblebrox voices a Judge, innit?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: NoSleep on December 12, 2015, 02:56:56 PM
So he does.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Urinal Cake on December 12, 2015, 07:39:58 PM
Having played FFX on the PS4 I'd say only Auron and Wakka are good, Lulu and Rikki are serviceable and the rest are awful.  But as the two main characters Tidus and Yuna are hideous. The forced laughter is nightmarish as well.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Consignia on December 12, 2015, 07:44:04 PM
If it's any consolation, the English cast did a good job of mirroring the Japanese cast in FFX. They were just as stilted and awful.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on December 12, 2015, 08:09:09 PM
Wakka is John Di Maggio which has the effect of making an annoying character almost be vaguely likable.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cerys on December 15, 2015, 04:13:47 PM
He used to be SOLDIER

No he didn't.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: NoSleep on December 15, 2015, 04:22:25 PM
He was developed as part of the SOLDIER project, I thought? Ah, now I remember; he thought he was a member of SOLDIER but he was getting his own story mixed up with somebody else's. Wasn't he experimented on nonetheless, so had enhanced abilities?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cerys on December 15, 2015, 04:45:55 PM
He was, but he was still a scrawny little cunt.

But as the two main characters Tidus and Yuna are hideous. The forced laughter is nightmarish as well.

Yuna was hideous because the voice actor thought she was supposed to be matching the lip movements of the animation and no-one disabused her of this.  And the forced laughter is supposed to be horrendous.  It's kind of the point.

Tidus, however, has no excuse.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Consignia on December 15, 2015, 04:50:17 PM
Wasn't he experimented on nonetheless, so had enhanced abilities?

He was exposed to mako, so had bright eyes but didn't make the SOLDIER cut. I can't remember if the mako exposure was due him being preserved for a while or was part of the SOLDIER tryouts. But as far as I remember, Cloud wasn't at all special.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: The Boston Crab on December 15, 2015, 06:18:56 PM
I know it's in the tags but until this playthrough, I'd never noticed Tifa's tits and the way she pushes them out in victory. Little stretch, arch the back and, ah! I guess I never had her in my party before but I'm telling you I've filled my Limit Break several times since I noticed.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: NoSleep on December 15, 2015, 06:20:44 PM
Cloud wasn't at all special.

He was special enough.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Johnny Textface on December 15, 2015, 06:43:28 PM
I know it's in the tags but until this playthrough, I'd never noticed Tifa's tits and the way she pushes them out in victory. Little stretch, arch the back and, ah! I guess I never had her in my party before but I'm telling you I've filled my Limit Break several times since I noticed.

Hmm I noticed that the first time she battled. I think I actually named her 'Tits'.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cerys on December 15, 2015, 09:31:05 PM
I may have named her 'Busty' once or twice.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Bhazor on December 18, 2015, 08:47:29 PM
... and now the game has real time combat. Well fuck.

Still not convinced by the art style. Just look at how cute it used to be and now it just has a generic action anime look to it. And cloud looks like Tidus. And a cunt.

(http://49.media.tumblr.com/2a727edea5e174c76fdfbdd0a2b80150/tumblr_nywnl9Z2Uw1ui93gio2_250.gif!)
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Mister Six on December 19, 2015, 12:54:47 AM
... and now the game has real time combat. Well fuck.

Still not convinced by the art style. Just look at how cute it used to be and now it just has a generic action anime look to it. And cloud looks like Tidus. And a cunt.

(http://49.media.tumblr.com/2a727edea5e174c76fdfbdd0a2b80150/tumblr_nywnl9Z2Uw1ui93gio2_250.gif!)

You need to lose the "!" from the gif extension in the URL.

Like this:

(http://49.media.tumblr.com/2a727edea5e174c76fdfbdd0a2b80150/tumblr_nywnl9Z2Uw1ui93gio2_250.gif)
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: St_Eddie on February 11, 2019, 01:06:18 AM
I wanted to respond to Timothy's post from the 'Kingdom Hearts' thread but figured that it would be better not to derail that thread and post it here instead...

That FF remake is gonna be great.

Now where have I heard that before? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExJU4FkPOBg)

I'd be willing to bet good money that it's going to be a major disappointment.  The development has already been started over from scratch once and the lack of news is rather telling, I reckon (it was announced 4 years ago now!).  Aside from anything else, I abhor the art style for the remake.  It's been rendered in the Advent Children style.  Urgh.  A decent remake would have used Tetsuya Nomura's art style from the original game as a jumping off point...

(https://i.imgur.com/fBdrGwo.jpg?1)

Imagine that cartoon aesthetic rendered on the PS4 (or PS5 as the much delayed remake's production is likely to switch over to - mark my words).  Bright, colourful, charming, full of character and timeless.  No, instead they've gone for a semi-realistic look...

(https://i.imgur.com/ccCSsZ4.jpg?1)

(https://i.imgur.com/3PlVVOK.jpg?1)

Soulless, dull, fucking 'dark and gritty™' and already it looks dated; with that horrible 90's Matrix pissy green filter.  Yuk.

This remake is gonna be absolute crap.  No more turn based battles; fuck updating it for a modern audience.  There's nothing intrinsically wrong with turn based battles and if you're going to change such a fundamental part of Final Fantasy VII, then why even bother calling it Final Fantasy VII?  Also, I'll be very surprised if the game still has a world map that you're free to explore because of technical limitations and the fact that Square Enix have said that they intend to release the game in an episodic format.

Nope, I'm calling it now; this remake is going to blow.  Final Fantasy VII is in my top 5 games of all time but I have absolutely zero faith that this remake will be anything other than a horribly misguided and inferior waste of time, resources and potential.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Twed on February 11, 2019, 01:20:39 AM
I've probably said this before, maybe already in this thread, but:

Things like FF7 are wonderful because the right ingredients came together at the right time and something magical happened. Trying to plan to do that is impossible, and trying to do it with the same materials is impossible and inevitably disappointing.

I don't care about the remakes because there's nothing about FF7 that appeals to me that doesn't derive from it being exactly as it is, warts and all. It is magical.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: St_Eddie on February 11, 2019, 01:23:08 AM
I've probably said this before, maybe already in this thread, but:

Things like FF7 are wonderful because the right ingredients came together at the right time and something magical happened. Trying to plan to do that is impossible, and trying to do it with the same materials is impossible and inevitably disappointing.

I don't care about the remakes because there's nothing about FF7 that appeals to me that doesn't derive from it being exactly as it is, warts and all. It is magical.

Spot on, mate.

I'd have much sooner that they did a remaster of the original game.  Re-render the backgrounds in HD, create new character models (whilst staying reasonably true to the original style), redo the FMV sequences, record an orchestral version of the soundtrack.  Do a new English translation of the original Japanese dialogue (that's one thing that definitely could do with an update) but keep the core of the game exactly the same.  It doesn't need a full on remake and to do so is quite frankly, a fool's errand.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Bazooka on February 11, 2019, 03:33:03 AM
I don't really see it selling to people who didn't play the PS version or aren't already into the series. Could be wrong, American RPGs have sold very well to the casual crowd(different type of beast of course).
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: NoSleep on February 11, 2019, 09:22:00 AM
Yuna was hideous because the voice actor thought she was supposed to be matching the lip movements of the animation and no-one disabused her of this.

The voice actors had nothing to do with that. The game required that the the audio files for speech had to be the exact length as the original Japanese ones or things would go horribly wrong (graphic events were triggered in sequence with the audio, so the timing of the whole scene would start going askew) . A lot of rewriting had to be undertaken to accommodate this quirk.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: brat-sampson on February 11, 2019, 09:36:50 AM
Anyone interested in this topic would benefit a lot from Tim Rogers' series (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZefYEaNUJ7w) on it.

EDIT: though it's more in the actual differences between versions as a result of the translation, rather than the intrinsic causes.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: St_Eddie on February 11, 2019, 09:46:19 AM
Anyone interested in this topic would benefit a lot from Tim Rogers' series (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZefYEaNUJ7w) on it.

Oooohhhh, lovely stuff.  Thanks for the the recommendation.  Downloading to my hard drive as I type.  I read up about the poor English translation many moons ago but this video series looks to be very comprehensive and besides, I could do with a refresher course.  Ta.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: St_Eddie on February 11, 2019, 09:48:32 AM
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Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Timothy on February 11, 2019, 10:09:59 AM
Spot on, mate.

I'd have much sooner that they did a remaster of the original game.  Re-render the backgrounds in HD, create new character models (whilst staying reasonably true to the original style), redo the FMV sequences, record an orchestral version of the soundtrack.  Do a new English translation of the original Japanese dialogue (that's one thing that definitely could do with an update) but keep the core of the game exactly the same.  It doesn't need a full on remake and to do so is quite frankly, a fool's errand.

I rather have a remake with differences that feels like a new game then a remaster tbh. And I like the new graphics so far.

If I want to play the original I just plugin my old console.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: NoSleep on February 11, 2019, 10:12:39 AM
The FFVII English translation is clunky a fair bit of the time. Square upped their game later on, thanks to Alexander O. Smith.

Here's an interview with him talking about the problems they had on FFX: https://www.usgamer.net/articles/true-tales-from-localization-hell/

And another about the beautiful thing that is the translation he did for Vagrant Story: https://www.usgamer.net/articles/vagrant-story-localization

Would love his input on a rewrite.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cloud on February 11, 2019, 10:23:09 AM
The inability to replicate the organic success of the original being the reason why they refused to do a remake for so long.  I guess they eventually got their arms twisted enough...

I have hope that it'll be a good game in its own right, alongside the timeless original that has plenty of currently accessible ports.... but I do think that expecting "the same hit as the original but updated" would lead to disappointment.  It's like any remake really, Star Trek for another example, if you go in expecting a modern replica of the original you are sure to end up bitterly disappointed.  Go in seeing it as a retelling that complements rather than replaces the original and you'll have a better time of it.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Utter Shit on February 11, 2019, 11:38:14 AM
I wanted to respond to Timothy's post from the 'Kingdom Hearts' thread but figured that it would be better not to derail that thread and post it here instead...

Now where have I heard that before? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExJU4FkPOBg)

I'd be willing to bet good money that it's going to be a major disappointment.  The development has already been started over from scratch once and the lack of news is rather telling, I reckon (it was announced 4 years ago now!).  Aside from anything else, I abhor the art style for the remake.  It's been rendered in the Advent Children style.  Urgh.  A decent remake would have used Tetsuya Nomura's art style from the original game as a jumping off point...

(https://i.imgur.com/fBdrGwo.jpg?1)

Imagine that cartoon aesthetic rendered on the PS4 (or PS5 as the much delayed remake's production is likely to switch over to - mark my words).  Bright, colourful, charming, full of character and timeless.  No, instead they've gone for a semi-realistic look...

(https://i.imgur.com/ccCSsZ4.jpg?1)

(https://i.imgur.com/3PlVVOK.jpg?1)

Soulless, dull, fucking 'dark and gritty™' and already it looks dated; with that horrible 90's Matrix pissy green filter.  Yuk.

This remake is gonna be absolute crap.  No more turn based battles; fuck updating it for a modern audience.  There's nothing intrinsically wrong with turn based battles and if you're going to change such a fundamental part of Final Fantasy VII, then why even bother calling it Final Fantasy VII?  Also, I'll be very surprised if the game still has a world map that you're free to explore because of technical limitations and the fact that Square Enix have said that they intend to release the game in an episodic format.

Nope, I'm calling it now; this remake is going to blow.  Final Fantasy VII is in my top 5 games of all time but I have absolutely zero faith that this remake will be anything other than a horribly misguided and inferior waste of time, resources and potential.

I've no idea whether this will be any good or not, but none of the issues you have with the remake would bother me in the slightest. The main draw of the original was the story - in fact, as much as I love that game, I'd say it's really the only draw, as the gameplay is pretty limited and the graphics (by today's standards) are crap. I wouldn't have been against a turn-based fight setup necessarily, but IMO a proper fight mode will always be better if it's done well. So FF7 with improved graphics and a better fight mode? Yes please.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: thraxx on February 11, 2019, 11:57:27 AM

Looking forward to seeing how Chocobos translate into this gritty real life interpretation. Presumable they will use the Rod Hull and Emo strip from Viz as inspiration.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: gmoney on February 11, 2019, 12:19:27 PM
Indeed. Quite a lot of Japanese media doesn't pander to having a consistent tone, and is all the better for it.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Timothy on February 11, 2019, 12:35:46 PM
I've no idea whether this will be any good or not, but none of the issues you have with the remake would bother me in the slightest. The main draw of the original was the story - in fact, as much as I love that game, I'd say it's really the only draw, as the gameplay is pretty limited and the graphics (by today's standards) are crap. I wouldn't have been against a turn-based fight setup necessarily, but IMO a proper fight mode will always be better if it's done well. So FF7 with improved graphics and a better fight mode? Yes please.

Same here! Game is gonna be great.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on February 11, 2019, 05:44:07 PM
The story is the part I'm most worried about though. I'm flexible on what they do what the battle system and all that.

I'm sure we discussed this fairly recently, but there's a weird perception vs reality discrepancy going on with how the tone of the story and some of the characters are perceived today. And I feel like with Nomura directing, he's going to play into the Advent Children perception of it. I don't think he'll go so far as to add in some the extra shite he added in that film, but I wouldn't put it past him.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Consignia on February 11, 2019, 07:13:07 PM
I reckon there's going to be some of that compilation of FFVII in there. That whole thing was about ruining the original with poorly written guff. Crisis core was fun to play, but the story left no lasting impression. Just reading on wiki about Genesis has left me shaking my head.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Phil_A on February 11, 2019, 10:16:16 PM
Honestly, I feel the story was mostly incomprehensible beyond a certain point. I was all about the atmosphere, the world design, the music. Those backgrounds were massively evocative and it's a real pity up-rezzed versions will never exist.

(https://i.imgur.com/lIi949H.gif)
(https://i.imgur.com/RGk6x85.gif)
(https://i.imgur.com/GBsWCZT.gif)

(I would like to further the recommendation for Tim Rogers' video series about FF7 translation differences, it's great.)
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: touchingcloth on February 12, 2019, 11:02:25 AM
They’re remaking it again?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on February 12, 2019, 03:20:55 PM
Eh?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: St_Eddie on February 12, 2019, 03:43:23 PM
My sentiments exactly.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cloud on February 12, 2019, 03:48:54 PM
I remember coming across Kalm in one of the anthology games (couldn't be arsed with all of them) and being bitterly disappointed that it was a Large Generic Town instead of the sleepy little village you see in the original.  They should've renamed it Buzy or something
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: NoSleep on February 12, 2019, 03:53:20 PM
I remember coming across Kalm in one of the anthology games (couldn't be arsed with all of them) and being bitterly disappointed that it was a Large Generic Town instead of the sleepy little village you see in the original.  They should've renamed it Buzy or something

Tourist trade boomed after the initial release of the game.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: St_Eddie on February 12, 2019, 04:36:41 PM
I remember coming across Kalm in one of the anthology games (couldn't be arsed with all of them) and being bitterly disappointed that it was a Large Generic Town instead of the sleepy little village you see in the original.  They should've renamed it Buzy or something

In the original?  The original that came after whichever anthology game you're referring to?  State of this thread.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Twed on February 12, 2019, 04:38:36 PM
The original Final Fantasy VII is the first game set in the world of Final Fantasy VII. It is called "Final Fantasy VII".
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: thraxx on February 12, 2019, 04:40:59 PM
The original Final Fantasy VII is the first game set in the world of Final Fantasy VII. It is called "Final Fantasy VII".

Why can’t they just make a sequel and call it Final Fantasy VIII?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cloud on February 12, 2019, 04:42:36 PM
In the original?  The original that came after whichever anthology game you're referring to?  State of this thread.

The original game.  You know.  On the Playstation??

Can't remember which the other game was though, it might make sense if it was Dirge after everyone spilled out of Midgar and all that, and perhaps more of a gripe about the in-world decision to make the town really bland as people flooded into it.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: St_Eddie on February 12, 2019, 04:58:17 PM
The original game.  You know.  On the Playstation??

Can't remember which the other game was though, it might make sense if it was Dirge after everyone spilled out of Midgar and all that, and perhaps more of a gripe about the in-world decision to make the town really bland as people flooded into it.

Oh, I see.  You're talking about that shite.

And yeah, it was Dirge.  Crap representation of an iconic location in a crap spin-off of an iconic game.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Golden E. Pump on February 12, 2019, 08:05:36 PM
Thinking about FFVII once again, what's everyone's favourite part of the game?

I absolutely adore the attack on the Shinra building, but for me the whole of disc two is majestic with the huge materia quests, Cloud finding himself and that return to Midgar.

There really aren't any shit bits are there?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Twed on February 12, 2019, 08:10:29 PM
There really aren't any shit bits are there?
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/INIi7trW3wI/maxresdefault.jpg)

Charmingly shit, though.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Golden E. Pump on February 12, 2019, 08:17:04 PM
Yeah that minigame is a bit unnecessary but the bits that precede and follow it are great.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cerys on February 12, 2019, 08:45:38 PM
Thinking about FFVII once again, what's everyone's favourite part of the game?

I think I'd have to say that moment when you first leave Midgar and the world music kicks in.  Not a 'part of the game' so much as an iconic instant.

As far as actual gameplay is concerned, I'm not sure.  The Temple of the Ancients has a special place in my heart, and if they don't fuck it up in the remake I'll be a happy Cerys.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Consignia on February 12, 2019, 08:48:26 PM
The default position being that they will fuck it up.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on February 12, 2019, 08:50:15 PM
You often feel different about old games when you go back to them, but with FFVII it's just all charming to me, even the bits that aren't very good.

And for things like the minigames, for one it's impressive that they built all these assets that only last a few minutes, but I think it does also add so much to the world that you have interactions beyond just doing battles.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: St_Eddie on February 12, 2019, 09:10:34 PM
Thinking about FFVII once again, what's everyone's favourite part of the game?

Going on a date with Barret.  Simply delightful.  He gives it all that but inside, he's as soft as Mr. Whippy's cream itself, so he is.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: touchingcloth on February 12, 2019, 10:37:14 PM
Eh?

I seem to remember seeing a couple of years back that they were remaking it for Pea Ess Free or Four or X Box. Recently enough that it was discussed since I’ve been a member here, so 2013 ish or later. Maybe I was thinking about VIII or IX, though.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: The Culture Bunker on February 12, 2019, 11:41:34 PM
You often feel different about old games when you go back to them, but with FFVII it's just all charming to me, even the bits that aren't very good.

And for things like the minigames, for one it's impressive that they built all these assets that only last a few minutes, but I think it does also add so much to the world that you have interactions beyond just doing battles.
I re-played the original when it was ported to PS4, think I paid a fiver for it, and money well spent. I think a big part of it was how I suddenly felt back to 1999 (when I originally played it) and how I was sucked into this world. Not sure I could pick a favourite moment, but fairly certain it would involve Cid dishing out abuse to people while waving his limbs in the air.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cloud on February 12, 2019, 11:43:40 PM
Thinking about FFVII once again, what's everyone's favourite part of the game?

Oh gosh that's actually a really tough one.  Probably when you first get the Highwind.  You have that silly bitchslap fight at the end of a fucking massive gun barrel (classic FF7 wackiness that I hope is retained in the remake but probably won't be) then the heroic sounding version of the main theme as it surprises you with its appearance.  I'll never forget the first time I saw that, I was all "wooooooow" and swept off my feet just like Tifa was (shut up, I was 15).  Along with that you have all the twists that happened with Cloud, he's currently missing, you go and have that emotional 'finding of himself' and go explore the world map.  Exciting times.

But it's all so much fun.  Getting the ultimate weapons, maxxing everyone out, getting the golden chocobo. 

How about least favourite?  I think one for me would be that trawl through Cosmo Canyon (until that moving scene at the end), the battle of fort Condor or the underwater reactor.  Or if you put yourself through it, maxxing out the points in the battle arena - I've done that a couple of times legitimately and since then it's save states or I go mad!
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: St_Eddie on February 13, 2019, 04:03:21 AM
I seem to remember seeing a couple of years back that they were remaking it for Pea Ess Free or Four or X Box. Recently enough that it was discussed since I’ve been a member here, so 2013 ish or later. Maybe I was thinking about VIII or IX, though.

You're probably thinking of the PS3 tech demo, which recreated the opening cutscene to Final Fantasy VII in realtime.  There's never been a remake before, this is the first one.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Twed on February 13, 2019, 04:06:13 AM
I think it might be confusion between remake/remaster.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: touchingcloth on February 13, 2019, 06:38:11 AM
Potentially, yes. I’ve got the iOS version (which would be a remaster?), but I’ve definitely seen something high def and lame looking.

Anyhoo, fave moments for me were bimbling about under the rotting pizza - I loved the aesthetics of Midgar slums and felt a pang of sadness when I was first booted out onto the world map. I was first properly sucked in by the train ride with the AVALADS and can still remember the lights flickering and hand holds swaying. To this day I am baffled by the fighting and material systems, and would probably really rather have preferred the game if it was something like a point and click romp through the same environments and soundtracks rather than the screen swirling you into a battle every five steps, ah well.

I remember getting fascinated with Barret’s flipping out animation. I once kept the same piece of dialogue on screen for about ten minutes because he was just shaking his fat arm against his head.

Also, FMV and THREE DISCS. Total magic in 98.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: St_Eddie on February 13, 2019, 06:55:12 AM
I’ve definitely seen something high def and lame looking.

Haven't we all.  Ships that pass in the night.

...bimbling about under the rotting pizza

I know that one, all too well.  Fucking Domino's.

felt a pang of sadness when I was first booted out onto the world map.

Tell me about it!  Birth is an unrequested challenge.

To this day I am baffled by the fighting...

Aren't we all?

...he was just shaking his fat arm against his head.

Judge not, lest ye be judged.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cloud on February 13, 2019, 08:24:04 AM
The absolute horror the first time you see Aeris killed (if you avoided spoilers)

I imagine they'll add the blood this time.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: touchingcloth on February 13, 2019, 09:13:03 AM
The absolute horror the first time you see Aeris killed (if you avoided spoilers)

I imagine they'll add the blood this time.

Aerised, mate, Cid.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cloud on February 13, 2019, 10:14:09 AM
Meh, over it now *goes snowboarding*
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on February 13, 2019, 07:23:52 PM
They did have a bit of a trek to the icicle village to be fair.

The absolute horror the first time you see Aeris killed (if you avoided spoilers)

I imagine they'll add the blood this time.

I did know it was coming and yet, I still think the moment was so powerfully delivered it was effective.

Might seem like quite a small thing now, but I think a big part of it is how every character has their own reaction to her death

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLrP4rPPlwc
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Twed on February 13, 2019, 08:04:35 PM
Wow! Thanks for that. I hadn't seen most of those before. I didn't expect to be moved by FFVII 21 years after seeing this for the first time.

Tifa's reaction is my favourite one. Tender. Vincent trampling all over Aeris and them Cait Sith thrusting is probably a low point (although I do love the rest of Cait's reaction).
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cloud on February 13, 2019, 08:56:50 PM
I'd seen it before but Yuffie's reaction probably gets to me the most.  You'd be forgiven for normally dismissing her as a little brat and leaving her in your reserve characters (or not getting her at all) but when you play with her in your team you sometimes get these moments when you see another side to her... end of the day she's a poor kid crying her eyes out and going to Cloud for comfort.  It's a role switch for Cloud, who in the other reactions is the one being comforted.

Always got to raise an eyebrow at Barrett comforting him with his gun arm though!
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Consignia on February 13, 2019, 09:03:27 PM
I've never seen the Cait Sith one before. Who even bother using Cait Sith anyway? I bet recording that was the first outside of play testing it had been seen.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: The Culture Bunker on February 13, 2019, 09:23:53 PM
Cait sort-of saw it coming, didn't he? Probably a bit cut up about one of his fortunes being right.

I think I've said before, but I'll probably avoid this remake purely because I won't be able to rename all the characters, the same flaw I think almost every subsequent Final Fantasy has had. I'm not even sure why they didn't allow you to name all but two of the characters in FF8.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Twed on February 13, 2019, 09:36:14 PM
I hate all voiced FF games. The point is to project a little of yourself into it IMO, like reading a book. I don't want every blank filled in, and I always hate the voice acting.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: The Culture Bunker on February 13, 2019, 09:38:55 PM
I hate all voiced FF games. The point is to project a little of yourself into it IMO, like reading a book. I don't want every blank filled in, and I always hate the voice acting.
Exactly. I've regretted everytime I've jumped back into the franchise since FF10 in large part of the very reasons you outline. I liked playing FF7 one time and calling Red XIII "Old Shep".

I did see they made a FF6 for PC, but apparently the graphics are a bit gash.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cloud on February 13, 2019, 10:02:41 PM
The point is to project a little of yourself into it IMO, like reading a book.

That's a really good point and I think nails why the PSX era games (and prior) were so great.  Once things get too realistic, you lose that.

Also your mind's eye of it all can be as wacky as you allow it, but once it's "realistic" it has to conform to, well, a more common vision of realism.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Phil_A on February 13, 2019, 10:07:50 PM
Exactly. I've regretted everytime I've jumped back into the franchise since FF10 in large part of the very reasons you outline. I liked playing FF7 one time and calling Red XIII "Old Shep".

I did see they made a FF6 for PC, but apparently the graphics are a bit gash.

I think they used mobile ports as the basis of the PC versions. The Chrono Trigger one is horrendous.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: The Culture Bunker on February 13, 2019, 10:12:06 PM
I think they used mobile ports as the basis of the PC versions. The Chrono Trigger one is horrendous.
Lucky the PS1 version works on my PS3 (unlike FF8), so I've started having a wee dabble again. Bit worried, as I probably put about 60/70 hours into it back in 2002 or so. Really helped out with my post-graduation unemployment blues.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: St_Eddie on February 14, 2019, 03:48:18 AM
That's a really good point and I think nails why the PSX era games (and prior) were so great.  Once things get too realistic, you lose that.

Also your mind's eye of it all can be as wacky as you allow it, but once it's "realistic" it has to conform to, well, a more common vision of realism.

I've long thought that should the script for Final Fantasy VII ever be acted aloud, then it would crumble into pieces, akin to a game of Jenga.  The inefficiencies of the writing (or at the very least, the translation) would be exposed for all to see, or rather hear.  It should come as no surprise that limitations breed the greatest of creativity, superior to the results of those who create without restrictions.

Just another reason why this remake is gonna blow chunks.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: St_Eddie on February 14, 2019, 03:54:59 AM
I liked playing FF7 one time and calling Red XIII "Old Shep".

When I played Final Fantasy VII with my friend, every time that Red XIII came on screen, we would affectionately say "oh, Red XIII" (as in, 'what are you like?').  The highlight of which was during the scene where the lovable little furball dresses up as a sailor.  Good times, to be sure.  Won't see the likes of them again.

Lucky the PS1 version works on my PS3 (unlike FF8)...

Unlike the PSN version.  Conspiracy!
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: NoSleep on February 14, 2019, 08:47:14 AM
After following the link for the character reactions to Aeris' death, I came across this breakdown of the entire plot of FF7, which I now realise I never fully grasped:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDCtX9D6n84
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Utter Shit on February 14, 2019, 10:54:29 AM
I've long thought that should the script for Final Fantasy VII ever be acted aloud, then it would crumble into pieces, akin to a game of Jenga.  The inefficiencies of the writing (or at the very least, the translation) would be exposed for all to see,


Barret constantly going "Sh'it!" means he would have to be - and I do mean have to, it should be legally enforced if necessary - voiced by Isiah Davis Junior, aka Clay Davis from The Wire.

Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Utter Shit on February 14, 2019, 10:56:17 AM
After following the link for the character reactions to Aeris' death, I came across this breakdown of the entire plot of FF7, which I now realise I never fully grasped:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDCtX9D6n84

I really want to watch this, but I'm only an hour or so into playing the game again for the first time in the best part of twenty years, so I best leave it.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: The Culture Bunker on February 14, 2019, 04:35:48 PM
Another thing the game does brilliant is all the little stories of loss that are still incredibly affecting - Elmyra losing her husband, Zack's parents desperately questioning Aeris on their long-missing son, Red XIII mourning first his father then grandfather... I could believe the effect in a remake would not be as powerful because the graphics fill in far too many gaps in my imagination.

I mean, I'm obviously going to buy it, but I fear it'll be one long session of masochism with me constantly saying "ehh, I preferred it in the original".
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Twed on February 14, 2019, 04:39:45 PM
The very worst thing that could happen is it doing something to make the inferior remake take hold in my consciousness and ruin the enjoyment of the original forever. Die Antwoord ruined Selected Ambient Works for me.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Twed on February 14, 2019, 04:40:13 PM
Hm, I have to definitely not play the remake. Simple as that.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: The Culture Bunker on February 14, 2019, 04:48:44 PM
Hm, I have to definitely not play the remake. Simple as that.
It's the sensible stance to take. But I'm a sap who bought Advent Children (not crap, just not very interesting) and Dirge of Cerberus (quite enjoyed it, actually).
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Utter Shit on February 14, 2019, 04:52:27 PM
For anyone who, similar to Twed's post, has never dared go back to the original in case it's nowhere near as good as you remember it - it's still fantastic. A LOT of other PS1 games really aren't though, Tomb Raider is absolutely terrible both graphically and gameplay-wise. On the other hand, most SNES games I've played on my phone are still great - Super Mario Kart in particular is still a joy.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Twed on February 14, 2019, 05:46:57 PM
Yeah. I'm a big believer that some stuff is just timeless, despite technical limitations. Often because of technical limitations. There are ZX Spectrum, C64, Amiga games that still look beautiful because every pixel is in the right place. We don't dismiss paintings as being ugly because they're not in 3D, and we shouldn't feel that way about games that have beauty in their look and feel either.

Tomb Raider had no craft behind it. You're right. It was impressive at the time, but utterly lacking in taste.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cloud on February 14, 2019, 06:16:16 PM
Well if they  won't do a HD remaster of the original, it seems the fans are doing a pretty good job themselves!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfHMIg4FPko
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Twed on February 14, 2019, 06:21:34 PM
I really hate it.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: NoSleep on February 14, 2019, 06:29:53 PM
I like it but had to change the aspect to 4:3 to view it properly (my monitor has a button that automatically narrows the screen for wrongly widescreened youtube videos).
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on February 14, 2019, 06:38:07 PM
I'm okay with better resolution for the backgrounds, but those character models are horrible.

Maybe it would work better if they kept the style of the cartoonish models, but upgraded them somehow, instead of just going for awkward realistic models.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: NoSleep on February 14, 2019, 06:38:46 PM
yeh... Cloud's head is too small.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: monolith on February 14, 2019, 06:45:11 PM
Exactly. I've regretted everytime I've jumped back into the franchise since FF10 in large part of the very reasons you outline. I liked playing FF7 one time and calling Red XIII "Old Shep".

I did see they made a FF6 for PC, but apparently the graphics are a bit gash.
As a 13 year old I thought it hilarious to call Red XIII "Twat Cat".
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Twed on February 14, 2019, 07:14:26 PM
I'm okay with better resolution for the backgrounds, but those character models are horrible.
What does better resolution mean in this case though? Some scaling algorithm? Fuck that. If the pixels don't come from the artist, don't show the pixels. I think for this remaster they're filling in stuff with their own graphics, right? Well, it looks worse. They're not as good as the original artists.

https://www.pcgamer.com/modders-are-using-ai-to-upscale-pre-rendered-ps1-backgrounds-with-phenomenal-results/

^ I saw this recently, and although it's impressively done, I just kinda hate it. It's great, clever work, but I don't care to see something where the pixels aren't signed-off by the artist(s), but just spat out by a computer guessing what should be inbetween so that it conforms to 2019 standards of HD. "Here it is, clear as crystal, generated by something without a soul". People who aren't me seem to love it, but I'm far more of an archivist than a revisionist.

People also seem to enjoy playing FF7 in an emulator at 1920x1080 so that the character models sit starkly on top of the low-res backgrounds. Just play the thing in the resolution it was designed for.

Left: characters look like they're floating on top of the scene
Right: characters look like they're in the fucking scene as God intended thank you very much

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/R1adgTaSWHM/maxresdefault.jpg)

Humans designed the right-hand image to integrate as a whole. Left is stupid, it's for people who just want to tick a "hi-res is better" box, even if it means nothing fits together and you can see the horrific details of the gouraud shading. This is how Trump would play FF7.

Edit: UGH, left is from the official PS4 release. Horrible.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: The Culture Bunker on February 14, 2019, 07:15:49 PM
As a 13 year old I thought it hilarious to call Red XIII "Twat Cat".
Yeah, a friend of mine did have Tifa as "Big Tits", Cait as "Cunt Cat" and Cid as "Cancer". I think he called Cloud something like "Spermhair" as he reckoned that was how he got his crop so spikey.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Twed on February 14, 2019, 07:26:41 PM
FUCK.

(https://i.imgur.com/QSnk5YK.png)

"Don't worry, we've used hideous bilinear scaling for you on the backgrounds so that it looks wrong by default, no matter how your TV would have upscaled it"
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Twed on February 14, 2019, 07:36:24 PM
While I'm on my soapbox about this, there is only one right way to port 2D games to modern platforms using the original art.

(https://www.fortressofdoors.com/content/images/2015/12/ffvi_poorly.png)

It's the image on the left. Not the middle (which disgustingly is what Square found acceptable). There is one panel in this triptych that isn't hideous, and it's the one on the left. Bonus: it's also the only one that doesn't trash the original creative team's material.

And the blog author's attempted improvement is shit too:

(https://www.fortressofdoors.com/content/images/2015/12/ffvi_whynot-2.png)

Don't fill in the gaps with guesses just to tick the "this is hi-res now" box! It's rubbish. "Native pixels" is the right option. Only that.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on February 14, 2019, 07:37:07 PM
What does better resolution mean in this case though? Some scaling algorithm? Fuck that. If the pixels don't come from the artist, don't show the pixels. I think for this remaster they're filling in stuff with their own graphics, right? Well, it looks worse. They're not as good as the original artists.



Are they? I know a lot of the renders had to be compressed onto PSone's setup and this was about restoring what is there, but I clearly understand nothing about this at all, so nevermind.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Twed on February 14, 2019, 07:39:20 PM
Thursday: I'm talking specifically about the FF9 link below that text. The FF7 remake is them remaking the art, I think. A nice project, but they are simply worse artists with poorer taste.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Twed on February 14, 2019, 07:43:56 PM
"Look, I remastered Undertale"

(https://i.imgur.com/bkMtVUh.png)

"You're fired."
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Twed on February 14, 2019, 07:46:00 PM
Now, sharp-bilinear is perfect. Look:

(https://camo.githubusercontent.com/cb328533ad6247e2154fc896194d306a5965bf0f/68747470733a2f2f696d6167652e6962622e636f2f6855346b39352f776974685f7368616465722e706e67)

That is tasteful. No pixels are guessed. It's got a little bit of interpolation, but the chefs here knew exactly how much salt to add to the dish.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: thraxx on February 14, 2019, 07:46:09 PM
Yeah, a friend of mine did have Tifa as "Big Tits", Cait as "Cunt Cat" and Cid as "Cancer". I think he called Cloud something like "Spermhair" as he reckoned that was how he got his crop so spikey.

FFVII started my tradition of, wherever I am given the option, calling my main character COCKLORD.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: touchingcloth on February 14, 2019, 07:46:45 PM
I’m struggling to search, but was it on this site where someone linked to someone who had found the original artwork for the PSX backgrounds? I.e. the hi res versions of the files before they were downsized for tellies? I’d love to see them again if anyone knows what I’m blatherin about.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Twed on February 14, 2019, 07:47:52 PM
Knock knock!
Who's there?
An absolute fucking tit.

(https://i.imgur.com/VZfpaWK.png)
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Phil_A on February 14, 2019, 08:34:03 PM
I’m struggling to search, but was it on this site where someone linked to someone who had found the original artwork for the PSX backgrounds? I.e. the hi res versions of the files before they were downsized for tellies? I’d love to see them again if anyone knows what I’m blatherin about.

Maybe it was FF9 rather than 7. I don't think any of the FF7 graphical assets were retained because no-one told Square that was a thing they should remember to do.

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/the-lost-art-of-final-fantasy-ix-mama-robotnik-research-thread.551612/
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: touchingcloth on February 14, 2019, 08:41:49 PM
That’s the thing - 9 rather than 7. Boo, but thanks anyway!
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cloud on February 14, 2019, 11:19:22 PM
Quote
"Don't worry, we've used hideous bilinear scaling for you on the backgrounds so that it looks wrong by default, no matter how your TV would have upscaled it"

Argh fuck aka the PS Classic thing
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cerys on February 14, 2019, 11:52:05 PM
FFVII started my tradition of, wherever I am given the option, calling my main character COCKLORD.

I love you.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: brat-sampson on April 13, 2019, 12:00:00 AM
IMPORTANT UPDATE
Tim Rogers has started a run of significantly more in-depth discussions (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCeN2KjRHZk&list=PLsiJPoHlPqEEA07AKMQ2Hm2oRLiGkR_uJ) regarding the language differences between the US and JP versions of FFVII and their implications on the characters and plot.

This is going to be a *very* good series, so I recommend jumping in near the start.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cloud on April 13, 2019, 01:40:32 AM
IMPORTANT UPDATE
Tim Rogers has started a run of significantly more in-depth discussions (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCeN2KjRHZk&list=PLsiJPoHlPqEEA07AKMQ2Hm2oRLiGkR_uJ) regarding the language differences between the US and JP versions of FFVII and their implications on the characters and plot.

This is going to be a *very* good series, so I recommend jumping in near the start.

Glad I got past the way the guy presents himself in the introduction, lol
The translation work is very interesting.  It's always really noticable in anime - you can watch subs, where you get a much better translation but it only works when you're literally reading from the bottom of the screen.  Or you can watch a dub, where it flows WAY better but you lose vast amounts of nuance in translation.   There is no in between, it's pretty much impossible.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Twed on April 13, 2019, 01:48:44 AM
So he DOES look as annoying as he sounds.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: The Boston Crab on April 13, 2019, 02:26:05 AM
Ten seconds and I want to punch that guy in the fucking mouth. Will be interested in the series though, regardless. Cheers.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Phil_A on April 13, 2019, 08:05:31 AM
IMPORTANT UPDATE
Tim Rogers has started a run of significantly more in-depth discussions (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCeN2KjRHZk&list=PLsiJPoHlPqEEA07AKMQ2Hm2oRLiGkR_uJ) regarding the language differences between the US and JP versions of FFVII and their implications on the characters and plot.

This is going to be a *very* good series, so I recommend jumping in near the start.

It's actually a renamed version of the series he's been doing for the last two years, "Found In Translation". So if you've already watched those this is the same as those except for the final video which is new, and a final final one that hasn't appeared yet.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: brat-sampson on April 13, 2019, 09:43:33 AM
Yeah, sorry, I jumped the gun a little bit last night. But still, a continuation is not a bad thing.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: St_Eddie on April 14, 2019, 03:26:50 AM
The translation work is very interesting.  It's always really noticable in anime - you can watch subs, where you get a much better translation but it only works when you're literally reading from the bottom of the screen.  Or you can watch a dub, where it flows WAY better but you lose vast amounts of nuance in translation.   There is no in between, it's pretty much impossible.

"Dilly dally, shilly shally."
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Twed on April 21, 2019, 04:58:22 AM
Square Enix providing the ultimate ambient audio/visual display: https://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2019/04/20-1/square-enix-announces-final-fantasy-vii-soundtrack-on-blu-ray
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cloud on April 21, 2019, 02:20:23 PM
"Dilly dally, shilly shally."

Oh god
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Golden E. Pump on May 10, 2019, 12:31:53 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df0YG3qfZ8E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df0YG3qfZ8E)

Wow. I cried at that Cloud/Aerith scene.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: St_Eddie on May 10, 2019, 12:40:39 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df0YG3qfZ8E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df0YG3qfZ8E)

Yep, still looks like shit.  None of the charm of the original is on display here.  It looks cold and sterile.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Twed on May 10, 2019, 12:42:19 AM
It looks as good as a high production values remake of FF7 could, but still not sure I want that. The one thing I really like about this is Aerith's movement.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Golden E. Pump on May 10, 2019, 12:46:19 AM
Yep, still looks like shit.  None of the charm of the original is on display here.  It looks cold and sterile.

All of the remade scenes here were cold and sterile in the original game. The whole Midgar part is, with the exception of a few scenes in 7th Heaven, Aerith's house and Corneo's Mansion.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Urinal Cake on May 10, 2019, 12:50:32 AM
I think the animation is fine and with some charm. Aerith's scenes needs Aerith's theme.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Glebe on May 10, 2019, 12:54:25 AM
Impressive.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Mister Six on May 10, 2019, 01:06:57 AM
Doesn't look cold and sterile at all - that's nonsense - but it does lack the charm of the original, and a more anime-influenced design might have been more distinctive than the "realistic" murky shadows and that.

Then again, we only see about four locations here, and three are in reactors or similar industrial settings. The true test will be the chocobo farm, Kalm et al.

Are they going to take out all the wacky comedy characters and daft bits where you drag up, to accommodate this gloomier look? I hope not!
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Urinal Cake on May 10, 2019, 01:12:01 AM
They seem to have kept Barrett as a Blaxploitation trope (although I know that changes later on) so we live in hope!
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: St_Eddie on May 10, 2019, 01:13:50 AM
Doesn't look cold and sterile at all - that's nonsense...

I don't know how else to phrase it.  It's got the look of a indie game on Steam Greenlight that's been made in Unity.  Now obviously the production values are far and beyond that level but there's a sheen to it that reminds me of those games, something about how the light reflects off the surfaces.  It lacks any kind of soul or unique identity.  It's got an identikit aesthetic, if that makes sense?  I'm still not expressing myself very well here but my ultimate point is this; I hate the aesthetics of this remake.  It's as simple as that.  I also hate that they've ditched the turn based combat.

#NotMyFFVII
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Sin Agog on May 10, 2019, 01:23:45 AM
I don't know how else to phrase it.  It's got the look of a indie game on Steam Greenlight that's been made in Unity.  Now obviously the production values are far and beyond that level but there's a sheen to it that reminds me of those games, something about how the light reflects off the surfaces.  It lacks any kind of soul or unique identity.  It's got an identikit aesthetic, if that makes sense?  I'm still not expressing myself very well here but my ultimate point is this; I hate the aesthetics of this remake.  It's as simple as that.  I also hate that they've ditched the turn based combat.

#NotMyFFVII

Lack of texture you got from all the hand-painted backdrops, innit?  Just buckets full of gunmetal grey.  Like replacing Herbie the Love Bug with a Maserati.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Mister Six on May 10, 2019, 01:25:19 AM
They were rendered, not painted, weren't they?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: St_Eddie on May 10, 2019, 01:29:13 AM
They were rendered, not painted, weren't they?

Aye, pre-rendered to be exact.  Sin Agog's Herbie/Maserati comparison still stands though, I feel.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Mister Six on May 10, 2019, 01:45:46 AM
Oh yeah, I was just splitting hairs.

I know what you mean about all the metal and that. It's definitely a deeply bland, generic aesthetic so far. But it's also mostly the Midgar reactor, which was always quite bland and generic. Not that I have any hopes, but it's the other locations that will really indicate how the game will look.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cerys on May 22, 2019, 05:10:34 PM
The only problem I have with that vid is that fact that Aeris' voice means I'm going to be looking forward to her getting impaled.  Although maybe I'll acclimatise to it.  We can but hope.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: St_Eddie on May 22, 2019, 05:17:34 PM
Perhaps the one thing that I'm looking forward to in this remake is the hearing the returning voice actor who voiced Red XIII in Advent Children (presuming that they do reuse that same actor).  Red XIII only got one line in the movie (a crime in and of itself) but the voice was perfect.  He sounded exactly how I'd always imagined that he would.  I remember having a geeky conversation with a friend way back when.  He asked what I imagined Red XIII's voice would sound like.  I replied; "young and naive but also posh and eloquent".  Years later, when I heard that single line in Advent Children, I was elated to hear that somebody over at Square Enix agreed with my take (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3PbcS5Gadk&t=1m48s).

I have fond memories of introducing that same friend to Final Fantasy VII.  We played through it together, over the course of a summer month.  Whenever Red XIII came on screen, we'd say "ohhhh, Red XIII" (as in 'what are you like').  The highlight came when Red XIII attempted to disguise himself as a sailor (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dY-0MlSMk-4).  "Ohhhh, Red XIII".
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on May 22, 2019, 05:28:49 PM
The highlight came when Red XIII attempted to disguise himself in a sailor (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dY-0MlSMk-4).  Oh, Red XIII.

One of those moments that better fucking be in the remake, none of this "oh it'd look weird to do today." Do it or cancel the whole thing.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Twed on May 22, 2019, 06:04:20 PM
Do you think they'll do the bit where Red was going to hardcore animal-rape Aeris and then say "only kidding"?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: St_Eddie on May 22, 2019, 08:44:27 PM
So much of the game that we all fondly remember is going to be changed to appeal to modern sensibilities and in service of the Dark and Gritty™ aesthetic.  This whole remaking Final Fantasy VII malarkey is an ill-advised folly.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: The Boston Crab on May 22, 2019, 09:08:04 PM
Whatever they do, this so-called remake can't be any worse than the original Final Fantasy Se7en.

Riding round on chickens? Hellooo?!
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Twed on May 22, 2019, 09:13:16 PM
Se7en
What's in the box? What's in the box? WHAT'S IN THE FUCKING BOX?!

A phoenix down.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cloud on May 22, 2019, 09:18:16 PM
I'm going to reserve judgement until I'm actually playing the game (so 2040 then)
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: The Boston Crab on May 22, 2019, 09:20:02 PM
Genuine laugh, T-bone.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: St_Eddie on May 22, 2019, 09:24:01 PM
I'm going to reserve judgement until I'm actually playing the game (so 2040 then)

And even then that'll only be episode 1 because Square Enix are doing this as an episodic thing for reason$ known only to themselves.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: The Boston Crab on May 22, 2019, 09:56:27 PM
There's been a load of leaked info about this in the past few days, you know about that?

Will be in two parts. Meant to be a demo coming at E3.

Sounds legit, to be honest.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: St_Eddie on May 22, 2019, 10:13:23 PM
There's been a load of leaked info about this in the past few days, you know about that?

I hadn't heard about that.  Thanks for notifying the thread.  I've copied the leaked information for the benefit of others...

Quote
* Game is in fact 2 parts. Part 1 ends exactly as Aerith is let down into the water after her death and a fade to black.

​* Materia is shown in ALMOST all weapons. They do not appear in accessories nor do accessories appear on your character model. Different weapons will however appear on your model for example Rune Blade will be on Cloud's back if equipped and exploring.

​* Different weapons have different triangle heavy hits (does not cost an ATB charge) Buster Sword has Punisher Rune Blade for for example has Cleave. You use these heavy hits after a string of regular hits. Regular hits are chip damage and the main damage will be from heavy combo finishers and the of course the massive LIMIT BREAKs.

​* Using Magic will consume ATB along with MP. You get more bars as the game progresses.

​* Summons will work for the most part as cut scenes like the original, they do not fight with you on the field. There is 1 new Summon Amarok and appears to be a wolf and causes darkness in addition to damage.

​* Over-world map is almost seamless. There are some "zones." There will be roads and methods of transportation. It is open world. Vehicles like the Tiny Bronco work almost exactly the same only being able to go in lighter water. There will be items available occasionally on the field. Chocobos will of course be obtainable after the farm.

​* They have really made an effort to make each town feel lived in, and feel like there is a reason why each place is like the way it is. Each town is very unique from the last. Cosmo Canyon iand its occasional dust storms are a stark contract to the streets of Midgar. Upper Junon feels very much more like a military installation than Midgar as well.

​* Sephiroth is very limited in what is shown of him until the Kalm flashback. Before this you only hear his voice or see glimpses of him during Clouds breakdowns.

​* The HP shown during the state of play is not indicative of what their HP should/would be normally during those times. Simply for Dev showcasing.

​* There will be demos on the game floor with PSN demo following shortly after for people at home directly after E3.(Playstation Plus required)

​* Monster redesigns for a lot of the enemies but most will remain recognizable. Some do not make an appearance. For example there was no ghost enemies in the train yard.

​* Shinra HQ wont have quite as many floors to explore but MORE to do on the floors you do go to so it still feels like your fighting through a lot to get to the top.

​* The design for Tifa is also true to the original outfit, her face appears to be mostly similar to her Advent Children design but slightly more western. Materia also shows up on her gloves.

​* Cait Sith seems to be pronounced "Ket" Sith but has undergone no major design overhaul. His fighting style is more close up, and does have his BARS for a LIMIT BREAK.

​* Golden Saucer will have some games that are not playable(yet) because they are essentially replaying a part of a later story mission. Some will be playable right when you arrive. They want it to feel more grand and provide a break from the main story beats while still eventually having to incorporate the story into it later.

​* Red XIII has clones Cobalt XIV and Indigo XV you must fight before he joins your party in Shinra HQ

​* Cid does not appear to be smoking but you see evidence that he does. He is clearly upset with Shera but toned down the aggressiveness as they felt it was unnecessary.

* Snow from Final Fantasy XIII is now a main character.  He crosses over from a separate dimension once the player reaches the Shinra mansion's basement.

​* Yuffie and Vincent are no longer optional. You can miss them up until a certain point where they then become mandatory to get. You automatically get Yuffie if you have not gotten her before Rocket Town for example.

​* Cloud will have a dress and wig in one particular scene. But its fade to black getting in/out of it.

​* Honey Bee in requires GIL to get into instead of a membership card.

​* Squatting mini-game returns.

* Porky's is a raunchy 1982 movie released by 20th Century Fox.

​* As these are FULL games each will be in fact priced at 59.99 USD
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: St_Eddie on May 22, 2019, 10:14:14 PM
I may or may not have inserted a porkie or two into that list.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: The Boston Crab on May 22, 2019, 10:19:11 PM
That all sounds genuinely good to me. The obsessive nerd weeb comparison and analysis pedos on YT also made me think it's a real labour of love in terms of detail and subtle nods. Gameplay might well be FFXV tier AIDS carnival but if they get the atmosphere right, that's all I want. The fighting is boring now twenty years on.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: St_Eddie on May 22, 2019, 10:28:03 PM
The fighting is boring now twenty years on.

I strongly disagree.  Turn based battles in games are still a thing, you know?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Consignia on May 22, 2019, 10:42:19 PM
Quote
​* Red XIII has clones Cobalt XIV and Indigo XV you must fight before he joins your party in Shinra HQ

Is this a porkie? It seems like fan fiction to me.

Some of these rumours do sound more positive than I've initially been towards this. Can't wait to play as Snow, though, and looking forward to the second part bringing back other series titans such as Vaan and Irvine.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on May 22, 2019, 11:01:12 PM
No, something I watched reporting said that they or something like them were planned for the original game but were cut, if that's true I can live with that kind of difference, even though it does sound odd.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Consignia on May 22, 2019, 11:07:27 PM
I don't have a problem with new stuff. They can intertwine new ideas and threads into the game to expand little bits, that could really enrich the experience rather than plodding a re-tread with more gloss. It's just that particular point struck me as a bit lazy, why not his ultimate dark clone Black XVI whose is the most evil being to exist and his parents won't let him stay up and play video games on a school night.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cerys on May 23, 2019, 03:28:02 PM
Quote
Snow from Final Fantasy XIII is now a main character.  He crosses over from a separate dimension once the player reaches the Shinra mansion's basement.

Please tell me that this is one of the porkies.  Please.  I mean, one of the enemies in the original FF7 was called Snow, but she was at least killable.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: St_Eddie on May 23, 2019, 03:31:25 PM
Please tell me that this is one of the porkies.  Please.  I mean, one of the enemies in the original FF7 was called Snow, but she was at least killable.

(psst!  It was indeed one of the porkies).
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Space ghost on May 23, 2019, 03:41:11 PM
The full fat price for both instalments was also part of the ruse right?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: St_Eddie on May 23, 2019, 03:49:17 PM
The full fat price for both instalments was also part of the ruse right?

No, 'fraid not.  Square Enix are gonna bleed the fans wallets dry, like Shrina bleeding Gaia dry.  You can pretty much bet your arse that there will be an AVALANCHE of DLC and all.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cerys on May 24, 2019, 05:25:43 AM
(psst!  It was indeed one of the porkies).

And order is mostly restored.  Mostly.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: madhair60 on May 24, 2019, 08:30:58 AM
When I was a kid I assumed that Final Fantasy VII was just a weird name, not the seventh instalment of a series

Post
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: popcorn on May 24, 2019, 08:53:26 AM
No one ever talks about how Street Fighter 2 was the first Street Fighter game.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cerys on May 24, 2019, 11:00:18 AM
I just wonder why we can't see Big Hero 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: samadriel on May 24, 2019, 12:36:53 PM
Leonard Part 6 was easily the best Leonard.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Golden E. Pump on May 30, 2019, 12:49:31 AM
All the leaks have been redacted by the original poster. Hype could be bogus.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: St_Eddie on May 30, 2019, 01:00:08 AM
All the leaks have been redacted by the original poster. Hype could be bogus.

By 'redacted', do you mean that the OP has said it was a load of bullshit or do you mean that the post was removed?  If the latter, then that happened shortly after the initial posting and if anything it could lead credence to the leak (i.e. Square Enix ordered Reddit to remove it, with he threat of legal action).
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Golden E. Pump on May 30, 2019, 01:06:11 AM
The former, actually. He's come out after deleting it and said he did it to see if people would believe him.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: St_Eddie on May 30, 2019, 01:36:26 AM
The former, actually. He's come out after deleting it and said he did it to see if people would believe him.

Ah, okay.  Back to square (enix) one then.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on May 31, 2019, 06:34:10 PM
So apparently the leaks were all a big lie.

Quite amusing, listening to the guy in this video backtrack over his previous video about the rumours https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54WR_PV7XK8
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: popcorn on May 31, 2019, 09:01:46 PM
What if I were to tell you all that FF7 is bollocks.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: St_Eddie on June 01, 2019, 02:25:48 AM
What if I were to tell you all that FF7 is bollocks.

I don't know.  Do you think that's the sort of thing that you might say?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: popcorn on June 01, 2019, 09:02:26 AM
Can you be outraged please.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on June 01, 2019, 10:39:43 AM
It isn't bollocks though, it's a clearly a video game. The quality is another matter, but you've made yourself look very silly.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: bgmnts on June 01, 2019, 02:39:44 PM
Genuinely not arsed about this remake because I like creativity and new ideas but they have remastered FFIC and VII and put them on xbox one so that's lovely.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cerys on June 11, 2019, 12:24:35 AM
So - next March, apparently!
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: St_Eddie on June 11, 2019, 01:08:10 AM
So - next March, apparently!

I wonder whether it will be possible to complete the remake without magic or summons and if so, whether there will be an achievement for doing so.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Golden E. Pump on June 11, 2019, 02:31:16 AM
Well they've absolutely nailed it from what they've just shown at E3. Shut up and take all of my money.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: peanutbutter on June 11, 2019, 02:44:16 AM
Was there a single post-Midgar clip in that trailer?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: St_Eddie on June 11, 2019, 02:57:10 AM
Graphically, it looks a lot better than it did in the last trailer.  In fact, it looks rather lovely.  However, the whole thing seemed completely obsessed with showcasing the graphical capabilities of the game engine, right down to that ridiculous shot focusing on Tifa's glass of water - no film director would ever shoot a prolonged shot like that, in that context, simply to show how the water moves in the glass.  Keep that shit for tech demos, not narrative based cutscenes.  It kinda informs me of where Square Enix's priorities lie with this remake; graphical showboating.  The last time I saw them pull that kind of bullshit was with Final Fantasy XIII.  Oh, dear.  Also; I still hate the new battle system.  Turn based or get the fuck out.

Oh, and what a surprise; DLC pre-order bonuses.  Multiple pre-order editions.  Exclusive content.  Get t'fuck.

Other than that, it looks great!

Was there a single post-Midgar clip in that trailer?

No.  It wouldn't surprise me in the least if Part 1 of the game is comprised entirely of Midgar and it ends with the group walking into the fields outside, with a message reading 'To be continued in Part 2 (which will be a full priced game again, suckers)'.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on June 11, 2019, 06:21:05 AM
I was excited by the EGGS & CHIPS sign in Tifa's bar though.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on June 11, 2019, 06:37:04 AM
This seems to suggest that everything in Midgar is the first episode https://kotaku.com/final-fantasy-vii-remakes-action-rpg-combat-detailed-1835393635
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Fry on June 11, 2019, 07:07:49 AM
What does that, loads of stuff is cut or there are going to be millions of parts to this? If it's the latter doesn't it make far more likely they'll sack the whole thing off once the hype has died down and part 5 has sold a tenth of what part 1 did?

It looks alright, good enough I suppose. I just can't get with how 'cool' everyone looks. I want Barret to be a big fat bloke who waves his arms around like a shit marionette whenever he gets pissy at Cloud.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on June 11, 2019, 08:30:11 AM
They've talked about "expanding Midgar" a lot... in some ways it makes sense, but I'm worried everything else will get short shrift now. I think people forget just how much there is to that game... Including Square Enix
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: The Culture Bunker on June 11, 2019, 08:37:35 AM
Also; I still hate the new battle system.  Turn based or get the fuck out.
Besides the boring characters (playing as some sulky Prince, wonderful) this is what put me off FFXV - just don't like real time fighting. If I wanted an action game, I'd buy one - the attraction of those older FF games is that I could take my time in the battles.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Consignia on June 11, 2019, 08:38:19 AM
If they really are expanding Midgar, they've really not demonstrated it in anything they've really not shown yet, bar more Sephiroth. Guess I've just been a bit underwhelmed by nearly everything they've shown on it so far.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Urinal Cake on June 11, 2019, 08:56:14 AM
They said they've got two Blu-ray discs worth of content. It makes sense if you've got Midgard that you can cram more content in. I presume a lot of questy stuff in the slums, some flashback stuff and things like Don Corleone padded out.

I mean by the length of the scorpion tank boss battle and all the new phases, I think they realise they need to make the first installment great and full length to get people invested again.

I think it looks great so far.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cloud on June 11, 2019, 10:52:16 AM
Well they've absolutely nailed it from what they've just shown at E3. Shut up and take all of my money.

But this is CaB, we're supposed to all hate everything and be massively pessimistic and cynical?

Seriously I agree with this, it looks like they've recreated areas very faithfully and I like what I saw of battling as well, with a nice compromise between modern slashing and oldschool strategy. Extremely hyped for this.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on June 11, 2019, 03:22:54 PM
Yeah to be honest, I feel like I should be more cynical, there's causes for concern, but I'm really excited for this, the trailer manages to stir things up in me.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: touchingcloth on June 11, 2019, 07:23:45 PM
Are they good graphics in that trailer? Not one moment of it filled me with 5% of what I felt and still feel when seeing something like this:

(https://i.imgur.com/Ufe4jyY.jpg)

or this:

(https://i.imgur.com/oA6XRCh.png)

or this:

(https://i.imgur.com/MsGRrwp.jpg)
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: bgmnts on June 11, 2019, 07:25:03 PM
That's because it's a remake and you can't revisit your first time doing or seeing something can you?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Twed on June 11, 2019, 09:24:41 PM
I don't think that was the point. touchingcloth is saying that the artistry and design and imagination in the PSX screenshots are far more moving. I agree. The new trailer does look a bit bland. The zoom-out of Midgar is pretty good, but not very striking and still pretty similar to the PSX one (in which more parts feel necessary and not just filler). The 7th Heaven interior looked bollocks, like stock assets made externally.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: bgmnts on June 11, 2019, 09:26:25 PM
Yeah but my point is he is probably biased? A child may well look at this remake having no knowledge of FF VII and be just as blown away.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: The Boston Crab on June 11, 2019, 09:46:04 PM
I'm all in and I'll be an utter raging nightmare when this comes out and any cunt has a go.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: bgmnts on June 11, 2019, 09:47:30 PM
It can't be much worse than the original to be fair.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cloud on June 11, 2019, 10:43:28 PM
Just watched the full 20 minute presentation, featuring also a full fight with that scorpion boss https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJvzzivkK28

Personally, I felt exactly the same sense of wonder watching most of that!  Midgar is like 10x as big now but yeah looks epic.  Not surprised the audience was all squealing like 1d fangirls

Here's the thing, it's the same thing but realistic style graphics, as expected on a modern game.  So sure, you don't get the painted backgrounds or deformed character models where so much is left to your imagination (including the rest of the houses, I mean most of the FF7 towns had like half a dozen - or the world itself, vast amounts of nothing with a few towns and Midgar).  I think of 90s era games (and earlier) as like a book - you can't possibly recreate a book, they're special in their own right (and so will the PSX version always be).  This is like "the film adaptation of a book"... those can be anywhere between shit and awesome but they can never replace the book, it's the same here, but I still am optimistic based on what's been shown that it could be towards the awesome side of the spectrum.

If it means anything, I thought the Harry Potter movies were a perfect adaptation of what I had in my mind, but like any movie, supplementary to and not a replacement of the original content.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on June 11, 2019, 10:47:20 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8zXPg0XsAIFcWT.jpg)

Fills me with wonder.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: The Boston Crab on June 11, 2019, 11:01:04 PM
Amen mates, great posts. I'm wistful.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on June 11, 2019, 11:11:56 PM
I agree with Cloud (lol)

I think the pre-rendered visual of the time create something that can't be recreated, and I also think it's not going to be the same playing the same game in my 30's as it was when I was 12/13. I can see the arguments for the superior artistry over visual fidelity of the time. But looking at that trailer, I really think they've done a very good job at capturing the same sort of feel and mood as could be expected from using the graphic style they are.

Like I don't want say some of people's concerns aren't fair or valid, but I also think people are going in with an unreasonable attitude, where they're just going to dismiss it on principle, because it's a modern AAA game and not using an old turn based system.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Twed on June 11, 2019, 11:24:08 PM
It's more that it looks like any modern AAA game. Extremely competent, but not special. It's not an old versus new thing, I still see ZX Spectrum games that I didn't see during the time that floor me today, it's just a case of whether it is enchanting. This is entirely within the realm of subjectivity now, but please do remember that my subjectivity trends towards objective, absolute truth and yours is wretched, wrong, forbidden.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Twed on June 11, 2019, 11:25:08 PM
I do the faux arrogance schtick to hide the fact that I am an empty vessel incredible lover
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Twed on June 11, 2019, 11:26:03 PM
Oh no, new page badness.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Urinal Cake on June 11, 2019, 11:31:35 PM
A couple years ago people would've been happy with a straight remake. Either using the pre-rendered backgrounds with better models or full 3D. 

But I'm glad that Squeenix realises that coasting by isn't going to cut it after all their shitfuckery and putting their money and heart into this thing.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: touchingcloth on June 12, 2019, 12:37:33 AM
I don't think that was the point. touchingcloth is saying that the artistry and design and imagination in the PSX screenshots are far more moving. I agree. The new trailer does look a bit bland. The zoom-out of Midgar is pretty good, but not very striking and still pretty similar to the PSX one (in which more parts feel necessary and not just filler). The 7th Heaven interior looked bollocks, like stock assets made externally.

Amen. Stock assets made externally is exactly what I was thinking.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Golden E. Pump on June 12, 2019, 12:47:03 AM
I don't really see the 'it's a modern game that doesn't make me feel the same way' argument.

If it made you feel the same way, it wouldn't be a remake. What you're feeling there is nostalgia. A new game cannot do that, unless it was just an exact replica of the game with absolutely nothing changed which would be a monumental waste of time and money. This is a modern game because it's being released in 2020 and therefore is obviously going to take advantage of the insane progression of technology that has been achieved since 1997. To not do so would be one of the stupidest decisions ever made by any company in the history of video games when they have the budget to do so.

The artwork was down to the technical limitations of the time and our love of it is a side effect of our love for the game as far as I'm concerned. Nobody states that the reason FFVII is so good is because it had weird sprites and good looking pre-rendered backgrounds.The original is so fondly remembered because of its story, characters and its accessible-yet-extensive tactical system. These are all going to be present in this game. The combat looks better than the original, because you have the choice of playing it as an action-orientated slasher, if that's your bag, or as a tactical RPG using spells, items and materia combos; leaning on whichever style you prefer. The characters we know and love are also there and will set it apart from being just another 'generic' AAA title.

Speaking of which, I also don't buy this 'modern games are rubbish' thing. Have you not played The Last of Us, The Witcher 3, Horizon Zero Dawn, Skyrim, Uncharted or GTA5, to name but a few? Now imagine these games had access to the lore, characters and story of one of the greatest games of all time? Certainly does not sound like a bum deal to me! Nothing indicates that they aren't being faithful to the plot or have anything but love for these aspects of the game.

If you want turn based combat and 90s graphics, the good news is that the game is out already for you and is available on the PSStore for about a tenner. That's your prerogative, and I can understand some people feeling that way. But unfortunately, that's your problem and not the game's. It could literally be bundled with 80g of cocaine, suck your cock through the joypad when loaded onto the PS4 and smell like the hair of God herself when you opened the packaging, and you're not going to like it.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Twed on June 12, 2019, 12:54:59 AM
I wish I could explain how some of you are misunderstanding "makes me feel the same way". Why are you conflating this with memory? Not to pick on you Golden E. Pump, but you have pulled most of your post out of thin air.

There is lots of art, old and new, that moves me in the same way that the original FF7 did and the remake doesn't. To make this as clear as possible, that includes 'remakes' (cover versions of songs I loved, reinterpretations of art).

Technical limitations don't enter into it. Being an exact replica has nothing to do with it. AAA game hatred isn't relevant here, and the accusation of such is a mistake on your part. I said it looks like any modern AAA game, i.e. the same production values without particularly standing out as special. This isn't a slight on AAA games as a concept, it's me saying it doesn't particularly stand out from the pack in term of artistry.

You're projecting, or strawman-ing or something.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Twed on June 12, 2019, 12:57:44 AM
(https://live.staticflickr.com/7543/15603404024_76a5351043_b.jpg)

One of these things is worse, and it's not because of modern techniques.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Twed on June 12, 2019, 01:16:10 AM
Not the original, but stirring/evocative/excellent to me:

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6f/66/42/6f6642719a3eacb75bada3a2593a6edb.jpg)

(https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/b9efbc15-761b-4eb1-818f-a87f60753ce6/d6dn7zg-65f21d4e-a743-4032-a004-f531c70c3cfe.jpg/v1/fill/w_500,h_246,q_70,strp/wall_market_by_jordangrimmer_d6dn7zg-250t.jpg)

It's not about being exactly the original, or being new, or being a AAA game.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: St_Eddie on June 12, 2019, 01:16:24 AM
I would just like to say that I have zero issues with people who are highly anticipating the Final Fantasy VII remake and think that it looks fantastic.  I'm not going to try to dismiss those views by way of circumnavigating them with counter-arguments, to try and demonstrate how they're somehow 'wrong' or 'blinded' for being hyped and liking something they like.  However, it's a two way street.  So a little bit of respect for differing opinions, for those of us who don't think that the remake is capturing the charm of the original, wouldn't go amiss in return.  You don't know why I feel the way I feel better than I do myself, just as I don't know why you feel the way you do better than yourself.

As Twed said, this isn't about nostalgia and memories.  It's about personal subjective taste, so a little bit of respect for that would be greatly appreciated.  Ta.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Twed on June 12, 2019, 01:18:14 AM
On that note, I would just like to say that I have zero issues with people who are highly anticipating the Final Fantasy VII remake and think that it looks fantastic.
Indeed. I think in many ways it looks great, I am a lot more excited for it now I've seen previews. It's just showing me no signs that I'll fall in love with it.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Golden E. Pump on June 12, 2019, 01:48:12 AM
Firstly, I did not mean for my post to sound so dismissive of your opinions. Been a long day.

Secondly, please just get on board the hype train.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Twed on June 12, 2019, 01:52:09 AM
Can't, it (the train) doesn't look as good as in the original (train)
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: St_Eddie on June 12, 2019, 02:47:33 AM
EDIT: Removed for reasons of taste and decency.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: St_Eddie on June 12, 2019, 03:09:24 AM
I'm sorry.  I made an absolutely horrendous analogy above and thought better of it.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cerys on June 12, 2019, 06:17:52 AM
Secondly, please just get on board the hype train.

But - there's no getting off this train he's on!
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on June 12, 2019, 06:23:43 AM
Firstly, I did not mean for my post to sound so dismissive of your opinions. Been a long day.

Secondly, please just get on board the hype train.

There aint no gettin offa this train we on
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on June 12, 2019, 01:35:18 PM
Hmm https://twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/1138538061686378496

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Just asked Yoshinori Kitase how many games are going to be in the Final Fantasy VII remake - he said he can't say yet "because we don't know ourselves.

As cynical and cash-grabbing as this all is... okay... fine. If they're going to do it all properly, I'll allow it.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: bgmnts on June 12, 2019, 02:48:16 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBmv9vpoqp0

Sterling's take on the demo footage. Sums it up perfect.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Twed on June 12, 2019, 02:51:24 PM
The character models are really good. Cloud looks way too much like a pretty emo boy though. 7th Heaven looks like it's part of Gone Home, rubbish.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cloud on June 12, 2019, 03:31:12 PM
I didn't intend the post about the old Vs new, books Vs films analogy to come across as disrespectful or dismissive, sorry if it did - just really that it's one possible reason of many, and one way of thinking that could allow for enjoyment of both. Or not... YMMV

Nor that modern games are shit - there's some great stuff out there. Just that a remake of an old game for some people who liked it for specific reasons, could possibly disappoint if seen as a replacement.  I have my doubts that we'll see Cait Sith bodding about on the giant Moogle (reckon they'll just retcon that) for example as it'll just look ridiculous against the realistic graphics... hence also not being in Advent Children... some might be bitterly disappointed if that's the case though... some may even be annoyed if they don't see him doing his weird little dance when a certain sad event happens :)

I think there's a refreshing balance of positive and negative to be honest... I mean it does get a bit tedious in other threads when it's all about lambasting something and you feel like a tiny minority and wrongun with bad opinions for liking it, but it's not so bad in here.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Twed on June 12, 2019, 03:43:48 PM
Yep, it's great. I just don't want to be misunderstood - the discussion itself is good stuff. I love tearing stuff apart and appreciating it at the same time. It's good for the soul, but it can accidentally offend people especially when tone is lost through text.

The big missing factor here is the music. What on earth is that going to sound like? I am going to be disappointed with well-produced orchestral stuff. I hate that. Most orchestral soundtracks in games that other people rate just sound like big blurs to me, all the same. Somebody with an idea of what classic music is, but forgetting to put expression and soul in there. Fingers crossed for something less overblown, but looking at the overall style I'm expecting a lot of orchestra.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cloud on June 12, 2019, 04:06:58 PM
I don't have my hopes up music wise as in my eyes (subjective as ever) Uematsu was a genius and FF music hasn't quite been as exciting since he left.   But like the game itself, could be shit, could be brilliant, ultimately "we'll see".  I was fairly neutral towards the versions of old tunes that popped up during the trailers.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Space ghost on June 12, 2019, 04:18:11 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBmv9vpoqp0

Sterling's take on the demo footage. Sums it up perfect.
Can't listen to his voice for longer than a few seconds. He talks like an edgy fourteen year old atheist reading the bible aloud.

"Oh well that's well good isn't it"
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Twed on June 12, 2019, 04:20:20 PM
Can't listen to his voice for longer than a few seconds. He talks like an edgy fourteen year old atheist reading the bible aloud.
100% with you on this one. Most English YouTubers should not be allowed mouths.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: bgmnts on June 12, 2019, 06:26:39 PM
Can't listen to his voice for longer than a few seconds. He talks like an edgy fourteen year old atheist reading the bible aloud.

"Oh well that's well good isn't it"

I mean yeah most English youtubers sound emulate American teenagers but that's the nature of the current world innit.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: gabrielconroy on June 12, 2019, 08:15:00 PM
I actually Laughed Out Loud at the bit about eggs and chips. Something funny about the idea of Square going to massive expense doing a remake in earnest and making the majority of the game play and characters and moves eggs & chips.

Anyway, this is obviously not going to be a patch on the original. Obviously!

The music won't be anywhere near as good, for the reasons already given (Uematsu a genuine artist with a great ear for melody and tone and atmosphere, most modern game composers cramming stuff in for the sake of it). And the visuals will probably suffer from the same tyranny of choice and be far too busy.

But I'll probably still play it because it's FFVII
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: bgmnts on June 12, 2019, 09:39:40 PM
Also there will no doubt be DLC/Season Passes/Delux Editions/Pre-Order Bonuses and all that abysmal greedy corporate shiiiiiite that didn't plague the industry when it was first released. Magical.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: The Culture Bunker on June 12, 2019, 09:49:57 PM
I do agree with the Sterling chap re the combat and it all being a bit too busy.

Am quite happy that FF8 is getting remastered, though.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Twed on June 12, 2019, 09:58:09 PM
Remastered straight into a slurry pit, hopefully
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cloud on June 12, 2019, 10:26:53 PM
I'm already trying to decide how far to bend over.... Deluxe Edition (About £70 I believe) or First Class (about £120).... come on I set my username to Cloud (in numerous places) and have played the original more times than I can count, it would be rude not to
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: St_Eddie on June 12, 2019, 10:56:12 PM
Also there will no doubt be DLC/Season Passes/Delux Editions/Pre-Order Bonuses and all that abysmal greedy corporate shiiiiiite that didn't plague the industry when it was first released. Magical.

Somebody didn't pay attention to the end of the E3 trailer...

(https://i.imgur.com/jfvfaZF.jpg?1)

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Final Fantasy VII Remake Deluxe Edition

* Artbook
* Mini-Soundtrack
* Steelbook
* Cactuar Summon Materia DLC
* Carbuncle Summon Materia DLC

Final Fantasy VII Remake 1st Class Edition

* Play Arts Kai Cloud Strife & Hardy Daytona
* Artbook
* Mini-Soundtrack
* Steelbook
* Cactuar Summon Materia DLC
* Carbuncle Summon Materia DLC
* Chocobo Chick Summon Materia DLC (pre-order exclusive)

As you say; "magical".

Am quite happy that FF8 is getting remastered, though.

Coo.  I look forward to replaying it with a load of cheap arse filters applied.  State of the art remastering that.

I'm already trying to decide how far to bend over.... Deluxe Edition (About £70 I believe) or First Class (about £120).... come on I set my username to Cloud (in numerous places) and have played the original more times than I can count, it would be rude not to

I'd rather you chose not to contribute to an increasing problem within the industry, spoiling the hobby for the rest of us in the process, quite frankly.  Quit supporting anti-consumer practices.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Urinal Cake on June 12, 2019, 10:59:55 PM
Also there will no doubt be DLC/Season Passes/Delux Editions/Pre-Order Bonuses and all that abysmal greedy corporate shiiiiiite that didn't plague the industry when it was first released. Magical.
I think even Square realises DLC will be a hard sell with episodic content. The things I can see are maybe some Advent Children content, weapons/summons from other games etc.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Consignia on June 12, 2019, 11:05:39 PM
Fucking hell, you pay for summons? They're a hair off making them pay for gachas. Roll a 10 summon materia pop this weekend for a 0.004% chance of Shiva.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: St_Eddie on June 12, 2019, 11:20:45 PM
Fucking hell, you pay for summons? They're a hair off making them pay for gachas. Roll a 10 summon materia pop this weekend for a 0.004% chance of Shiva.

If people keep on supporting these kind of things, then that's the direction we're heading in.  It's like willingly paying somebody to rape you up the arse and then asking for more, as you slowly die from a perforated colon and internal bleeding.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: peanutbutter on June 12, 2019, 11:24:51 PM
chocobo chick is choco mog?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Urinal Cake on June 12, 2019, 11:28:08 PM
I forgot about Crisis Core etc. Seems like Square is probably saving that for DLC. I mean they could've remastered that and put it out there so people get hyped.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: gabrielconroy on June 12, 2019, 11:30:02 PM
If people keep on supporting these kind of things, then that's the direction we're heading in.  It's like willingly paying somebody to rape you up the arse and then asking for more, as you slowly die from a perforated colon and internal bleeding.

Is there no one left from the 1 Gil for a flower days of FFVII? Has the whole thing really become such a heaving Shin-Ra industry? It's folded in on itself, that's what it's done.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: gabrielconroy on June 12, 2019, 11:32:10 PM
I mean, come on lads. This is your precious orchid. What gave you your corridors and fancy mouse mats and all that. Are you really going to throw a load of paint over it and sell it again? Come on now.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: St_Eddie on June 13, 2019, 12:24:05 AM
I do declare, this Square Enix has surely put worth a dizzying array of fireworks before our very eyes.  Me, oh my.  Heavens above.  Goodness gracious me.  Look how the sky lights up with explosions of delight.  Such sights, the world has never seen.  Quite honestly, it's enough to make a boy in frilly stockings blush.  I simply must declare my love before the day is through.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: St_Eddie on June 13, 2019, 12:32:55 AM
On second thoughts, I should probably save my devoted love for somebody with more substance.  Yes, yes, indeed.  I now realise that I was overcome with shallow admiration.  Vanity hath betrayed me once again.  Square Enix, the wedding is off!  Now please do pick up your lacy knickers from upon my floor and kindly fuck right off.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cerys on June 13, 2019, 01:11:47 AM
I don't have my hopes up music wise as in my eyes (subjective as ever) Uematsu was a genius and FF music hasn't quite been as exciting since he left.

He's back on board for this, though, isn't he?  Or did I dream it?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: St_Eddie on June 13, 2019, 01:29:48 AM
He's back on board for this, though, isn't he?  Or did I dream it?

No, you didn't dream it...

Quote from: classic fm
Since the first video game was released in 1987, Final Fantasy has been a favourite among gamers – and a huge part of the franchise’s cult status can be attributed to its glorious soundtrack, composed by Nobuo Uematsu.

Now, it has been confirmed that Uematsu will return to score the newest installation in the franchise: Final Fantasy VII Remake, which is a remake of the 1997 PlayStation game Final Fantasy VII.

The news was confirmed by producer Yoshinori Kitase at a Final Fantasy event in Japan:

“Currently, I’m in the process of working on Final Fantasy VII Remake but I haven’t directly worked with Uematsu-san since Final Fantasy X. So, when I first went to ask Uematsu-san to come work on the music for the remake, I thought he would give me the cold shoulder since he had already left Square Enix and found success.”

A remake was initially attempted in the early 2000s – but despite scoring the original Final Fantasy VII, Uematsu’s name was absent from the originally announced team. However, it was confirmed in May 2018 that the famed composer will definitely return to score the new remake.

It remains to be seen whether he'll solely be composing the score or whether it will be a collaborative effort, mind.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: The Boston Crab on June 13, 2019, 05:49:41 AM
Laffin at:

I'd rather you chose not to contribute to an increasing problem within the industry, spoiling the hobby for the rest of us in the process, quite frankly.  Quit supporting anti-consumer practices.

I don't mean to have a go but how dare you say this to anyone?

Who do you think you are?

I'm laughing but about 50% in exasperation.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: St_Eddie on June 13, 2019, 02:04:19 PM
Who do you think you are?

A person who is tired of people contributing to anti-consumer practices within the industry.  It affects all gamers and as long as people keep on doing it, then it's only going to get worse from here on out.  One votes with their wallet and if people are willingly paying for pre-order bonuses and exclusive DLC content, then companies are going to keep on pushing that envelope further and further.  If you want me to sit back and be quiet, whilst people continue to encourage anti-consumer practices that spoil things for the rest of us, then I'm sorry but that's not going to happen.

It's important to me to stand up for what I believe in.  I will never lower myself into insulting someone for buying pre-order DLC but what I will do, is make my feelings on the matter clear, in the hope that they might consider the consequences of their actions.  If I sit idly by, saying nothing, then I'll be as culpable as those who buy into exclusive pre-order content when things become truly egregious.  Once we reach that point, there's no turning back.  To pay companies to screw over their customers is not something which I can condone, not when the ramifications of doing so are so far reaching and wide.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Fry on June 13, 2019, 04:10:05 PM
I'm fine with it as long has he lets me have a go playing with his little plastic cloud. I'm gonna make it fight a slinky and pretend it's one of those world map encounters they clearly half arsed
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: The Boston Crab on June 13, 2019, 06:10:37 PM
A person who is tired of people contributing to anti-consumer practices within the industry.  It affects all gamers and as long as people keep on doing it, then it's only going to get worse from here on out.  One votes with their wallet and if people are willingly paying for pre-order bonuses and exclusive DLC content, then companies are going to keep on pushing that envelope further and further.  If you want me to sit back and be quiet, whilst people continue to encourage anti-consumer practices that spoil things for the rest of us, then I'm sorry but that's not going to happen.

It's important to me to stand up for what I believe in.  I will never lower myself into insulting someone for buying pre-order DLC but what I will do, is make my feelings on the matter clear, in the hope that they might consider the consequences of their actions.  If I sit idly by, saying nothing, then I'll be as culpable as those who buy into exclusive pre-order content when things become truly egregious.  Once we reach that point, there's no turning back.  To pay companies to screw over their customers is not something which I can condone, not when the ramifications of doing so are so far reaching and wide.

I don't know how to deal with this level of sincerity regarding this specific issue.

All the best.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: St_Eddie on June 13, 2019, 06:31:09 PM
All the best.

Well, thank you.  You too.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: popcorn on June 13, 2019, 09:35:30 PM
I don't buy the box of shit editions myself.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Urinal Cake on June 13, 2019, 10:40:30 PM
I think you've got some point s St Eddie but if we were in 1997 you would probably be complaining that:
1. Square betrayed Nintendo for Sony Cash
2. Square has become too Hollywood because of it's reliance of FMVs to push the story
3. That Square could've used N64 cartridges but Square used CDs because they were cheaper to manufacture.
4. Why 3D?

Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: St_Eddie on June 14, 2019, 12:52:09 AM
I think you've got some point s St Eddie but if we were in 1997 you would probably be complaining that:
1. Square betrayed Nintendo for Sony Cash
2. Square has become too Hollywood because of it's reliance of FMVs to push the story
3. That Square could've used N64 cartridges but Square used CDs because they were cheaper to manufacture.
4. Why 3D?

I'll have you know that only one of those accusations is true.

It's fine if people would care to refute me; I welcome it.  However, actually put forth counter-arguments, as opposed to attacking my character.  You're not helping me to sway my opinion in the opposite direction here.  If you can't put forth a coherent counter-argument, then I'll have to presume that I'm correct and you're wrong.  You wouldn't want me to presume that, surely?

Take me down.  Tell me exactly why I am wrong.  I'm absolutely open to discussion and having my mind swayed.  Come at me, I beg of you.  Let's not resort to character assignation.  I would have hoped that we're above such dirty tactics.  In fact, I know that you're better than that, so please; tell me why I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Urinal Cake on June 14, 2019, 01:13:31 AM
I am not assassinating your character. Your argument seems to me why can't Square just make the FFVII remake 'better.' But, historically FFVII wasn't about perfecting a long-standing formula but innovating and changing the genre. This was as shown by my previous post as well as a few narrative things like making the protagonist an unreliable narrator. Now those things have become jrpg cliches in of themselves.
If Square was to just make a better looking FFVII it would go against the (money-making) innovative ethos of the original game.

In short the original FFVII was supposed to be a sell-out amongst traditionalists but it was grand. Have some faith that Square will not fuck this up.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: St_Eddie on June 14, 2019, 12:50:21 PM
In short the original FFVII was supposed to be a sell-out amongst traditionalists but it was grand. Have some faith that Square will not fuck this up.

Nothing Square Enix does these days inspires faith within me that they won't fuck this up, from my perspective at least.  I think that the vast majority will enjoy the remake and that's cool.  I can only speak to my individual taste and pretty much everything that we've seen of this remake so far leaves me cold.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: madhair60 on June 14, 2019, 12:58:51 PM
I'm not interested in a FFVII remake in the slightest, personally. I fail to see why I wouldn't just play the original again, given how widely available and manifestly excellent it is.

I feel much the same way about the upcoming Link's Awakening remake on Switch. LA is one of my favourite games of all time, so when I want to play LA, I'll... just play the original.

(Count me as someone in favour of the FFVII project or whatever it was called - Advent Children was nonsense but I enjoyed the hell out of it. I'd rather see a FFVII-2 than a remake)
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Mister Six on June 14, 2019, 04:40:49 PM
chocobo chick is choco mog?

I get the impression it's a unique summon that's not from the original FFVII, just like Carbuncle and Cactuar weren't.

TBH as pre-order shite goes, I don't mind this particular form at all. Mostly just physical junk that only a mad completist would want anyway (no offence, Cloud), and two or three bits of digital gubbins that aren't even related to the original FFVII and aren't essential (or even important) to playing the game. If this bullshit is going to happen, it might as well be this rather than entire walled-off chunks of story or something (which has fallen out of fashion anyway, hasn't it? Most of the time when I see pre-order bonuses these days, it's some shitty overpowered weapons and unique skins rather than anything meaningful).
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Twed on June 14, 2019, 04:57:58 PM
Just think of the artistic side of the company as a separate entity. They are probably at odds with the DLC stuff too. Just imagine being an artist and trying to convince management that you actually shouldn't release a load of rip-off stuff that millions of xenials will 100% definitely pay out of the arse for. It's just not possible. Gotta role with the inevitability of it all and accept that it won't be representative of the larger work.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on June 14, 2019, 06:01:56 PM
Aye, it's just one of those things where I don't like it, I generally wouldn't pay extra for "deluxe" versions that have this kind of bonus content, but it's not the worst example of it, and not a battle I think is worth getting up in arms over.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: peanutbutter on June 14, 2019, 06:08:58 PM
Provided it's not too obstructive I usually view it as people who are foolish with their money subsidising my experience.

Pretty much anything I do that's relatively cheap seems to follow that format these days, there'll be someone else paying twenty pound for a glass of wine that offsets my six pound cinema ticket, that kind of deal


I wonder how many companies factor in the long term implications of some of this stuff. I assume Rockstar do? Keeping DLC unobstructive means they can sell GTA5 a decade from now with minimal effort on their end. Meanwhile games that fixate on live services are entirely dependent on maintaining those services and maintaining an audience
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Consignia on June 14, 2019, 06:35:50 PM
I'm still rather disappointed they put summon materia behind DLC. It was one most fun things in the original. Sure not all of them, probably, and they are more than likely throw away. But it's something that was a completely collectible in the original, but is now pay-gated away.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: peanutbutter on June 14, 2019, 06:47:34 PM
I'm still rather disappointed they put summon materia behind DLC. It was one most fun things in the original. Sure not all of them, probably, and they are more than likely throw away. But it's something that was a completely collectible in the original, but is now pay-gated away.
It's two summon that were not in the original game and (possibly) one that was but was easily the worst summon in the game.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: The Boston Crab on June 14, 2019, 06:58:30 PM
Gonna stick me neck out and say the remake gonna be better than the original
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Mister Six on June 14, 2019, 08:14:43 PM
I'm still rather disappointed they put summon materia behind DLC. It was one most fun things in the original. Sure not all of them, probably, and they are more than likely throw away. But it's something that was a completely collectible in the original, but is now pay-gated away.

As I said, Cactuar and Carbuncle weren't in FFVII and I'll bet this Baby Chocobo or whatever it is is something we haven't seen in FFVII either.

Summons are just funny animations that play before an RNG decides how much health to take off a baddie anyway. Not having access to three of them that have been bolted onto the game is hardly a worst-case scenario. I'm sure some exec suggested cordoning off Yuffie or Vincent, or some of the Golden Chocobo. That WOULD have been taking the piss.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Consignia on June 14, 2019, 08:22:58 PM
I'm not saying a game ruining experience, I was just saying one of the fun things in the original was collecting all the summons and seeing their animations as a reward. And there's potentially more DLC summons that they are hiding away, those are just the pre-orders.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: St_Eddie on June 14, 2019, 08:30:00 PM
For me, it's not a case of 'oh well, it could have been worse', as some are saying.  It's the principle of the thing.  They've created the art assets and programmed them into the game and then locked off those summons, months ahead of the game's release and are demanding more money from their customers, should they want to have the full experience. 

I remember when it was a big deal for companies to lock off content ahead of a game's release.  I remember the controversy.  However, it's became so standardised now, that people are saying 'oh well, it could have been worse'.  It's that very attitude which leads to things becoming worse.  What was once a controversy becomes the standard, so the companies will push the envelope further and that will then become a controversy.  The cycle continues anew. 

Eventually, somewhere down the line, you realise that we've gotten to a point where your initial purchase only covers the game engine itself and it's £5 for a single level and £2 for each additional character.  Then you add the amount up in your head for how much the whole experience would cost and it ends up being something crazy like £250.  What was once an entire experience for £50, has now increased to £250.  That's a vision for where we're heading, which is why it's so important to nip this kind of thing in the bud by voting with our wallets now, whilst we still can.  That's why it's so important that we don't just say 'oh well, it could have been worse'.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: The Boston Crab on June 14, 2019, 09:13:55 PM
I wish they were would do more DLC that is already finished and on the disc.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on June 14, 2019, 09:17:38 PM
I hope there's microtransactions and random loot-boxes.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Twed on June 14, 2019, 09:28:42 PM
I hope it is a match-3 game.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on June 14, 2019, 09:39:34 PM
Always online match-3 game as a service.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: bgmnts on June 14, 2019, 09:40:52 PM
I hope Square Enix underpay all the staff and crunch the fuck out this game's development, leading to mass suicides.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on June 14, 2019, 09:45:03 PM
It should also only be available through Square's new streaming service.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Mister Six on June 14, 2019, 10:03:35 PM
Eventually, somewhere down the line, you realise that we've gotten to a point where your initial purchase only covers the game engine itself and it's £5 for a single level and £2 for each additional character.  Then you add the amount up in your head for how much the whole experience would cost and it ends up being something crazy like £250.  What was once an entire experience for £50, has now increased to £250.  That's a vision for where we're heading, which is why it's so important to nip this kind of thing in the bud by voting with our wallets now, whilst we still can.  That's why it's so important that we don't just say 'oh well, it could have been worse'.

But it's going in the other direction, or seems to be, to me. Instead of walling off a character or subplot or missions and making them DLC (as happened with early Dragon Age, Batman: Arkham City, probably some other stuff, I dunno), they're just providing, essentially, in-game trinkets and real-world junk (which is its own ethical Issue, but let's not get distracted). That's what RDR2 did, it's what Fallout 4 did and it's apparently what's happening here. A bit of easy extra content is made for the DLC (as I said, none of the DLC summons appear to be from FFVII so it's not been extracted from the adaptation) and thrown out as a bonus.

Yeah it's a bit crass and cynical, but I don't get the impression that we're careening towards the dystopia you envision.

Microtransactions are an issue, but a separate one, and not really applicable here as far as I can see.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on June 14, 2019, 10:36:17 PM
Yeah I remember Mass Effect 3 charging for a whole character who had unique missions and dialogues even though the content was all on the disc. I don't see that kind of thing happening now, because it was so heavily criticised.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Urinal Cake on June 14, 2019, 10:37:56 PM
It'd be great if there was no microtransactions, that the game was not episodic and Tifa had her og breasts but it's not going to happen.

I assume prequel and sequel content will be DLC.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: madhair60 on June 15, 2019, 12:12:07 AM
Sorry but did Eddie just say that buying a season pass is like getting raped up the arse until you bleed?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: madhair60 on June 15, 2019, 12:14:51 AM
I have to say, gamers are weird, man. We should go back to gaming being weird to do.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: bgmnts on June 15, 2019, 12:36:29 AM
Gamers are weird in the sense that they are okay with being absolutely rinsed by scummy business practices. The same people who will lay into your Starbucks and Walmart will happily defend or ignore your EAs and Ubisofts. Mental people.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: madhair60 on June 15, 2019, 01:14:45 AM
no they're weird in the sense that they're debased lunatics who whinge like fuck about business practices like they know anything and we won't all be in the cold ground soon
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: St_Eddie on June 15, 2019, 01:22:53 AM
What is point pro-consumer?  What is point life?  What is point?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: bgmnts on June 15, 2019, 01:27:43 AM
no they're weird in the sense that they're debased lunatics who whinge like fuck about business practices like they know anything and we won't all be in the cold ground soon

Ah.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: buntyman on June 18, 2019, 04:45:34 AM
I've just got back into playing FFVII for the first time since it first came out. I haven't played any of the others apart from a brief dalliance with FFVIII which I decided early on had some annoyances that I couldn't be bothered pereservering with. Anyway, the hype about the remake prompted me to puck up one of those cheap PS1 classics and give it another bash. As I'm sure I'll never play it again I thought I'd go through it with an online walkthrough to make sure I'm not missing anything this time. I'm surprised how little I remember of it/paid attention to the first time or perhaps I just whizzed through it cutting out big chunks of it. I'm about 10 hours in now and just encountered the chocobos. As following the guide makes you very powerful, the battles are all easy and it's really just watching a story with occasional breaks to grind out a worthwhile steal. It's good though and the instant save feature on the mini console means that you don't have to worry about fucking up on a very rare encounter. I quite like the crappy graphics too, probably more than how the remake looks.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cloud on June 19, 2019, 12:17:07 AM
I'd rather you chose not to contribute to an increasing problem within the industry, spoiling the hobby for the rest of us in the process, quite frankly.  Quit supporting anti-consumer practices.

With respect, I'll do what the hell I want with my money.  This is the same bullshit as people who get on your case for buying an Apple product or heck... buying a game that they don't personally enjoy and think is "trash" or whatever (if it's not this then it's something like the Sonic series that people behave like this about).. no it may not be what you want, but tough!

Not keen on DLCs, but do I want a collectors box set kind of thing for what I'd probably rate as my favourite game of all time that is very important to me.... heck yeah.  My desire for a nice collectable box and bits and bobs outweighs my distaste for DLC summons.

Besides, if we all boycotted anything that annoys anyone or does any negative thing anywhere in the world... well we certainly wouldn't be here typing about it given that all computer hardware is made in Chinese sweatshops ;)

He's back on board for this, though, isn't he?  Or did I dream it?

Oh yay!  That definitely bodes well!

Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: St_Eddie on June 19, 2019, 04:29:02 PM
With respect, I'll do what the hell I want with my money.  This is the same bullshit as people who get on your case for buying an Apple product or heck... buying a game that they don't personally enjoy and think is "trash" or whatever (if it's not this then it's something like the Sonic series that people behave like this about).. no it may not be what you want, but tough!

Not keen on DLCs, but do I want a collectors box set kind of thing for what I'd probably rate as my favourite game of all time that is very important to me.... heck yeah.  My desire for a nice collectable box and bits and bobs outweighs my distaste for DLC summons.

Besides, if we all boycotted anything that annoys anyone or does any negative thing anywhere in the world... well we certainly wouldn't be here typing about it given that all computer hardware is made in Chinese sweatshops ;)

It was wrong of me to quote your post to say my piece on exclusive pre-order DLC.  I should have just said it without dragging you into it directly and for that I apologise.  You're absolutely correct, it is not my place to suggest to you how you should spend your money.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cloud on June 19, 2019, 05:52:29 PM
It was wrong of me to quote your post to say my piece on exclusive pre-order DLC.  I should have just said it without dragging you into it directly and for that I apologise.  You're absolutely correct, it is not my place to suggest to you how you should spend your money.

No worries :)

I'm not too stoked about DLCs either, I'd rather if they must milk more money they do it with custom outfits for Cloud or something like that, but can live with it
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on June 19, 2019, 08:24:11 PM
Yeah like lots of additional sexy outfits you can choose for Cloud during the Don Corneo bit.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: The Boston Crab on June 19, 2019, 10:01:46 PM
Hoping for some legit BREAST PHYSICS for Tifa now the tech has been developed.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Consignia on June 19, 2019, 10:26:20 PM
Prepare to be disappointed, Square's ethics department enforced a de-norking on Tifa.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: bgmnts on June 19, 2019, 10:29:28 PM
Prepare to be disappointed, Square's ethics department enforced a de-norking on Tifa.

lol
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Consignia on June 19, 2019, 10:42:47 PM
I hope you're wearing incontinence pants, because the following article may make piss yourself laughing. DON'T SAY I DIDN'T WARN YOU! https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2019-06-19-square-enix-has-an-ethics-department-and-it-told-the-final-fantasy-7-remake-developers-to-restrict-tifas-chest
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: St_Eddie on June 19, 2019, 10:58:55 PM
A corporate entity having an 'ethics department' is disturbingly Orwellian but I don't disagree with Tifa's chest being made more realistic and less pathetically pandering to adolescent masturbatory nerds.  Aside from anything else, Tifa's unnaturally large bosom wouldn't tally with the more realistic aesthetic that Square Enix is adopting with the remake.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Urinal Cake on June 19, 2019, 11:12:49 PM
They probably saved us from Blaxploitation Barrett too. But not Yaoi Seprioth.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: madhair60 on June 19, 2019, 11:22:47 PM
Just got round to the scorpion fight from E3. Mate this is charmless. Just constant inane chatter, cuts away from the action to show the fight shifting to the next phase, just looks dogshit. They've fucked it.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: St_Eddie on June 19, 2019, 11:29:01 PM
Just got round to the scorpion fight from E3. Mate this is charmless. Just constant inane chatter, cuts away from the action to show the fight shifting to the next phase, just looks dogshit. They've fucked it.

Agreed.  I know that a lot of people here don't care for Jim Sterling but I thought that his recent video on the E3 demo and that scorpion fight was spot on; it's so visually busy, as to be an incomprehensible mess.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: bgmnts on June 19, 2019, 11:42:44 PM
Did anyone manage to complete FF XV? It was hard fucking going and I barely got through a couple of hours of the main story.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Consignia on June 19, 2019, 11:49:17 PM
I think that's the thing that puts me off, the battle system. I loved the fast paced turn based off the original, it being my first JRPG it has a special place. The more actiony moves they've been making since FF12 onwards haven't particularly gelled with me, and this looks like a similar move.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not fussed if this game turns out not to be for me and finds an audience. But when you play the nostalgia card, it does attract the thoughts of people who liked the original of all parts of the spectrum.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: gabrielconroy on June 20, 2019, 12:24:47 AM
I think that's the thing that puts me off, the battle system. I loved the fast paced turn based off the original, it being my first JRPG it has a special place. The more actiony moves they've been making since FF12 onwards haven't particularly gelled with me, and this looks like a similar move.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not fussed if this game turns out not to be for me and finds an audience. But when you play the nostalgia card, it does attract the thoughts of people who liked the original of all parts of the spectrum.

Yep. I'm not that into the reactions-based frantic hack 'n slash style of battles when it comes to a game like FFVII. It's much more about the story and atmosphere, and so is better suited to a battle system that amplifies that side of the game, rather than the other way round.

I guess they've decided that the 'modern gamer' won't have the time for that in light of all the massive Skyrim-style open world adventures. But it's a cop-out. At least come up with a hybrid system not so insistently immediate and busy.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Twed on June 20, 2019, 12:33:22 AM
You know what's really wrong with this? You'd never be able to stand still in a scene and watch the game world tinkle. Everything would be a frantic fungleberry in a remake, standing still will involve all kinds of swaying and posing. The original was very reflective, and could be zen-like.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cloud on June 20, 2019, 12:44:07 AM
Tifa's oversized tits and the lolgay scenes in the Honeybee NERFED as Square Enix bows to pressure from Societal Justification Worriers on Twitter, in a massive shock to all!
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Fry on June 20, 2019, 05:05:49 AM
They just kind of unilaterally decided that "gamers don't like turn based battles anymore" for no reason whatsoever. It's something someone thought sounded right on one morning and everyone just agreed with them. The fact games like Pokemon still sell like gangbusters to people of all ages doesn't matter. No. Players don't have the patience for turn based battles. Can't do turn based anymore. No siree.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Urinal Cake on June 20, 2019, 05:28:06 AM
That's not quite true. Squenix has kept turned-based battles for the Dragon Quest franchise and a few other games. The FF franchise is too far down the garden path to return to strict turn-based combat even for a remake.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: The Lion King on June 20, 2019, 08:22:23 AM
Looking forward to seeing Don Corneo in this
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: St_Eddie on June 20, 2019, 04:21:47 PM
Looking forward to seeing Don Corneo in this

I just hope that the ethics department hasn't demanded that they scrap his famous catchphrase "I need TP for my bunghole!".
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: bgmnts on June 20, 2019, 04:30:10 PM
They just kind of unilaterally decided that "gamers don't like turn based battles anymore" for no reason whatsoever. It's something someone thought sounded right on one morning and everyone just agreed with them. The fact games like Pokemon still sell like gangbusters to people of all ages doesn't matter. No. Players don't have the patience for turn based battles. Can't do turn based anymore. No siree.

They've actually decided this AGAINST the evidence to the contrary. It's a case of "we tell you what you like,  eat our liquid shit".
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: The Boston Crab on June 20, 2019, 05:45:20 PM
Lot of high minded bollocks here about Tifa's tits. Let's face it, everyone wants to see bigger, realistic tits so fuck off.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: bgmnts on June 20, 2019, 05:53:08 PM
As long as we get a bits of conversational texts about how difficult it is getting a bra and how much her back hurts as well as a more proportional body shape, i'm alright with big Tifa tits.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on June 20, 2019, 06:05:05 PM
Lot of high minded bollocks here about Tifa's tits. Let's face it, everyone wants to see bigger, realistic tits so fuck off.

There really hasn't been though has there? There's been a few sites reporting on the story and then the usual crowd screaming about SJW censorship in response.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: The Boston Crab on June 20, 2019, 06:08:47 PM
I've literally read nothing about it besides my own posts and one reply in this thread. That there has actually been some bullshit about it reassures me that my goofin off is accurate satire.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on June 20, 2019, 06:09:20 PM
I'll agree though, that this is much sexier than the new model

(https://cdn.thingiverse.com/renders/61/a0/70/06/b1/2ea05f663fc14e5fbd251574e1d6d227_preview_featured.jpg)
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: alan nagsworth on June 20, 2019, 06:17:06 PM
Wigan Fatty Fuck could learn a lot from those big fuckin' clobber hands.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Urinal Cake on June 20, 2019, 07:57:18 PM
DDLC
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: St_Eddie on July 11, 2019, 12:47:39 PM
The trailer for the new Lupin III movie has been released and it's a perfect example of what the Final Fantasy VII remake should have looked like in terms of art direction...

Trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uw7jrQQK3Mc)
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: samadriel on July 11, 2019, 04:50:45 PM
That looks terrific, but I don't detect any FF7 flavour at all.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on July 11, 2019, 05:48:15 PM
Yeah, like that's an example of a good adaption from 2d animation to 3D cgi, but there's not really any connection there.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: madhair60 on July 11, 2019, 09:46:42 PM
The trailer for the new Lupin III movie has been released and it's a perfect example of what the Final Fantasy VII remake should have looked like in terms of art direction...

Trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uw7jrQQK3Mc)

This is fiercely appealing, but it isn't screaming FFVII to me
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: NoSleep on July 11, 2019, 09:53:18 PM
Cloud needs that raised eyebrow, just like all those other CGI characters have in movie posters.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Mobius on July 12, 2019, 12:32:02 AM
Why aren't they remaking Final Fantasy 8 it's the best one
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: St_Eddie on July 12, 2019, 02:58:00 AM
Why aren't they remaking Final Fantasy 8 it's the best one

They'll slap a filter on it and call it a day.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: madhair60 on July 12, 2019, 09:40:51 AM
Cloud needs that raised eyebrow, just like all those other CGI characters have in movie posters.

He unloads a guff into Barrett's face, who goes "Man, now I know why they call you 'cloud'"
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on July 12, 2019, 06:26:13 PM
Why aren't they remaking Final Fantasy 8 it's the best one

It's really not thought is it? It's got an interesting, unique battle system if you have the patience for it, it's got some interesting world locations. It's story starts off well enough, but it soon turns into an absolute mess and half the characters are bad.

People want to believe "8 is the best actually!" because of some of the unique things it does well, but it's got so much that lets it down.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: NoSleep on July 12, 2019, 06:43:02 PM
Being based around a mercenary military academy doesn't help. Eco-terrorists are way cooler.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: bgmnts on July 13, 2019, 12:04:01 AM
It's really not thought is it? It's got an interesting, unique battle system if you have the patience for it, it's got some interesting world locations. It's story starts off well enough, but it soon turns into an absolute mess and half the characters are bad.

People want to believe "8 is the best actually!" because of some of the unique things it does well, but it's got so much that lets it down.

8 isnt it the best but the Junction system is pretty unique and interesting, i'd say its better than 7, 13, 11 and 12.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Golden E. Pump on July 17, 2019, 02:30:39 PM
8 isn't as good as 7, 9, 10 and possibly 15. I hated it when I played it through again about five years ago. I think nostalgia is carrying it at this point. And that soundtrack.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: NoSleep on July 17, 2019, 02:46:21 PM
8 isn't as good as 7, 9, 10 and possibly 15.

As XII is the best FF, I can partly agree (Matsuno/Ivalice/FFT/Vagrant Story fanboy here).

Quote
I hated it when I played it through again about five years ago. I think nostalgia is carrying it at this point. And that soundtrack.

The soundtrack sounds very cold and clinical compared to the FFVII one. Probably reflects the mercenary academy aptly.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: bgmnts on July 17, 2019, 04:34:46 PM
I think 8 has the best boss battle music of any Final Fantasy.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Golden E. Pump on July 17, 2019, 05:10:18 PM
I've never played 12 so cannot comment.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: madhair60 on July 18, 2019, 02:44:13 PM
You know what's really wrong with this? You'd never be able to stand still in a scene and watch the game world tinkle. Everything would be a frantic fungleberry in a remake, standing still will involve all kinds of swaying and posing. The original was very reflective, and could be zen-like.

I know I'm replying to a weeks-old post here but this has sort of effectively summarised something I've always found irritating in games but never really understood why. Characters who, when not moving, sway their arms or otherwise pointlessly animate.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: NoSleep on July 18, 2019, 02:49:14 PM
They all had forearms like Popeye in the original version, too.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: madhair60 on July 18, 2019, 02:53:21 PM
They all had forearms like Popeye in the original version, too.

His life was a fake-o
He's infused with Mako
He's Cloud Strife the failure man
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: popcorn on July 18, 2019, 07:06:38 PM
I know I'm replying to a weeks-old post here but this has sort of effectively summarised something I've always found irritating in games but never really understood why. Characters who, when not moving, sway their arms or otherwise pointlessly animate.

Was a genuine turn-off for me in old 16-bit RPGs. Guards who looked like they were marching on the spot for some fucking reason. Horrible gibberish worlds.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on September 11, 2019, 07:59:09 PM
New trailer for this, can't be bothered to link to it because I can't post from my computer at the moment. It's the most enthused I've been from a trailer for this so far, but it's hitting the right nostalgia buttons by taking in things like Don Corneo, Squats, and turning into frogs. You know the stuff the game is really about.

Also teenagers today are spoilt having that Tifa to wank over.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: The Boston Crab on September 11, 2019, 08:01:34 PM
Nonsense, with those A cup sports bra tits. Give me four sided mega tits any day.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Twed on September 11, 2019, 08:04:34 PM
TBC is gay everyone

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_qjybyni28

It does look good.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: The Boston Crab on September 11, 2019, 08:29:16 PM
Just watched the vid, the best one yet, seems goofy and melodramatic in the best way, like the original.

Also fair play, that Tifa is FAF and I'll be getting the old wanking glove cured, oiled and polished in good time.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: gabrielconroy on September 11, 2019, 09:18:41 PM
That really is much better than the last trailer I watched. They've made a very wise choice keeping all the goofy, slightly weird shit from the original in there. I might even buy it!
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cloud on September 11, 2019, 09:41:13 PM
Ooh we finally see what Shinra looks like in modern day too.  Looks good, consider me super hyped!

0:22 - who's that meant to be, I can't put my finger on it?  He looks like he belongs in FFXV swanning about with Sasuke and co
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Golden E. Pump on September 11, 2019, 09:44:35 PM
It looks absolutely incredible. Looks like there's a darts minigame! Maybe Midgar will be a Los Santos-style sandbox?!
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: peanutbutter on September 11, 2019, 09:52:59 PM
That trailer was a pretty big reminder that this whole thing is gonna be weird as fuck... that's gotta be potentially liberating in its own way, it's such a thoroughly awkward game to remake.


and.. err.. have they bumped up the size of Tifa's breasts again?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: The Culture Bunker on September 11, 2019, 10:02:24 PM
I agree it looks great, but the hack/slash nonsense turns me right off. Same reason I couldn't finish FFXV.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: bgmnts on September 11, 2019, 10:10:35 PM
Calling it hack n slash is VERY kind.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Twed on September 11, 2019, 10:34:16 PM
and.. err.. have they bumped up the size of Tifa's breasts again?
Maybe they used the "make her waist tiny" loophole.

Calling it hack n slash is VERY kind.
Girl there ain't nothing wrong...
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: The Culture Bunker on September 11, 2019, 10:38:31 PM
Calling it hack n slash is VERY kind.
Perhaps, but despite the fact it's only Wednesday, I'm oh so very tired.

Thing is, I'm not sure I'm willing to pay a decent amount of cash for something that may well be a film in which I hammer the "x" button in the odd fight scene, and that's my total interaction in the game. I know how the story goes already, for one thing. Despite the fact that FF7 holds a huge place in my heart, I'm thinking that I played through the original only a couple of years ago, why bother again? Especially as I can't do things like rename Red XIII "Old Shep" this time round.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: madhair60 on September 11, 2019, 11:50:11 PM
You are mental if you think that looks even remotely good
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: The Boston Crab on September 12, 2019, 04:18:08 AM
That bit where Aeris gets dolled up is amazing. That's what we play games for
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Urinal Cake on September 12, 2019, 11:29:07 AM
Looks good enough to keep my an eye on. I don't think the trailer is for old people who love turn based combat hence the emphasis of fast-action-cuts.  Going by earlier stuff you can have it more turn-basey.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Obel on September 12, 2019, 12:23:17 PM
Looks like some hot garbage. Sounds like some hot garbage too, with that awful voice acting and the music stripped of any energy and joy. Get in the bin.

Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: The Boston Crab on September 12, 2019, 02:17:25 PM
Who the fuck says 'hot garbage'
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: madhair60 on September 12, 2019, 02:31:19 PM
Who the fuck says 'hot garbage'

a volcano bin man idk
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: The Culture Bunker on September 12, 2019, 02:34:52 PM
Who the fuck says 'hot garbage'
Shirley Manson's other half?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on September 12, 2019, 06:28:14 PM
You are mental if you think that looks even remotely good

You have a whole video series where you preach the virtues of shit nobody liked from the 90's
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on September 12, 2019, 06:51:23 PM
In fairness though, this does look shit, it's just nostalgia has destroyed all rational perspective on this, and I wan't to believe it'll be good because I have nothing else to look forward to.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Kryton on September 12, 2019, 07:48:47 PM
It looks awful.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: The Boston Crab on September 12, 2019, 07:54:42 PM
Looks amazing, gonna be amazing. Surprised there's so many people here who enjoy hopping things will be bad. Feel like I don't know this forum some tines.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: madhair60 on September 12, 2019, 08:50:58 PM
You have a whole video series where you preach the virtues of shit nobody liked from the 90's

yeah because they did like it, and now they don't because of Game Grumps
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: madhair60 on September 12, 2019, 08:53:47 PM
fucking millennials man
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: bgmnts on September 12, 2019, 08:55:52 PM
Can I just say FF VIII has been 'remastered' for the xbone now? Brilliant!
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Poobum on September 12, 2019, 09:25:41 PM
Wow, you can almost kind of tell the difference 51% of the time if you look at a pair of screenshots side by side for about ten minutes. I love FFVIII. Just completed FFIX, I love that too. Now that I'm not a silly boy, I can appreciate what a great character Dagger/Garnet is. I can honestly say I loathed chocobo hot and cold, 8 hours of that crap to get to Ozma, and also the only way to get quite a few of the ultimate weapons. Did beat Ozma on my first try though, got lucky with having Eiko, she summoned Phoenix and resurrected the entire party, much to my bemusement and delight.

£45 quid for FFXII the Zodiac Age? Fuck off. My fave in the series, but nope. They nerfed Yiazmat, I did it proper, I beat it all.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Urinal Cake on September 12, 2019, 11:05:47 PM
Aerith sounds like Alison Brie and Don Corleone sounds like Hamill's Joker. I think the voice casting will be okay. The extra story/character content is what worries me- sometimes things are better left vague or confusing.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cloud on September 12, 2019, 11:06:37 PM
Looks amazing, gonna be amazing. Surprised there's so many people here who enjoy hopping things will be bad. Feel like I don't know this forum some tines.

You must be new here on the "everything is shit and then you die" forums :)
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on December 31, 2019, 08:22:03 PM
Intro leaked.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ivzat4BSJ8

Fuck, it's good.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: bgmnts on December 31, 2019, 09:09:53 PM
Graphically impressive. Just need to do this with 8 and 9 and job's a good'un.

Wonder why Konami dont do the same with the Fox Engine and the Metal Gears. They would sell like hot cakes.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cerys on January 01, 2020, 01:20:15 AM
I've got chills!
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Urinal Cake on January 01, 2020, 01:29:52 AM
This'll be good I reckon.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Jim Bob on January 01, 2020, 03:47:14 AM
I've got chills!

Are they multiplying?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Mister Six on January 01, 2020, 05:23:28 AM
Graphically impressive. Just need to do this with 8 and 9 and job's a good'un.

Wonder why Konami dont do the same with the Fox Engine and the Metal Gears. They would sell like hot cakes.

Too busy making pachinko machines.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: NoSleep on January 01, 2020, 07:07:18 AM
The major detail that has been added to this, compared to the original, is Aeris' cautious look back down the alleyway. But that fits with her back story.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cerys on January 01, 2020, 09:31:38 AM
Are they multiplying?

Indeed they are.  I may be losing control.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Mister Six on January 01, 2020, 01:57:14 PM
Intro leaked.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ivzat4BSJ8

Fuck, it's good.

Very pretty, yeah. I do wish they wouldn't do that shit anime thing of adding grunts and gasps every time someone nods or turns around though.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: bgmnts on January 01, 2020, 02:56:15 PM
What will happen in 20 years when the current generation of kids have grown up and the industry will do the same uninspired remaking of their classics with modern graphics?

We had the resident evils and the final fantasies and thats why a lot of us are still playing and most games are marketing to us menchildren. What the fuck do the current gen of kids have? Minecraft and Lego games? Grim.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on January 01, 2020, 03:10:39 PM
Lol yeah you're right, there's no good original modern game IP's
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: bgmnts on January 01, 2020, 03:14:23 PM
That kids who play them will go on to remember fondly into adulthood and be remade in 20 years?

Didn't say there weren't good modern IPs really tbh tbf imo
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on January 01, 2020, 03:29:41 PM
Just don't really see what's so grim, just seems like a bit of a "things were much better when I was a kid" attitude.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Jim Bob on January 01, 2020, 04:10:16 PM
I really liked the touch of Aeris* getting shouldered by a cunt, dropping her flowers and then another cunt treading on one of her flowers.  It helps to sell the the whole theme of oppression and technology destroying the natural planet.

What I didn't care for was the lack of the pan through stars at the very start, slowly transitioning into the leaking mako pipe.  Also, why are there old fashioned British phone boxes in Midgar?

* I wonder if Square Enix will be keeping the name of Aeris for the International release, or if they'll revert to her original name of Aerith, considering that in every subsequent appearance of the character in other material, she's had her original Japanese name, regardless of territory.

I do wish they wouldn't do that shit anime thing of adding grunts and gasps every time someone nods or turns around though.

Aye, that bothered me too.  They did the same thing in Dark Crystal: Age of Resistance and it was pretty much the only thing in that otherwise outstanding series which bothered me.  It comes across as though they're trying to get their money's worth from the voice actors.  It's very distracting and unnatural.

We had the resident evils and the final fantasies and thats why a lot of us are still playing and most games are marketing to us menchildren. What the fuck do the current gen of kids have? Minecraft and Lego games? Grim.

I don't think this is true at all.  It's more likely that you're only interested in the remakes and sequels to the games which you grew up with and today's kids are more interested in the new IPs, such as Fortnite, Apex Legends and Borderlands.  Just because original modern games don't interest you personally, doesn't mean that the new generations won't grow up to look back on them fondly and be playing remakes of those titles in 20 years time.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on January 01, 2020, 04:15:44 PM
Also, why are there old fashioned British phone boxes in Midgar?
I got a general London vibe from this rendition of Midgar, which is one of the things I liked.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Jim Bob on January 01, 2020, 04:17:30 PM
I got a general London vibe from this rendition of Midgar, which is one of the things I liked.

To each their own, I guess.  Personally, I found the British phone boxes to be distracting.  If I wanted to explore a real life dystopian environment, I'd go to London.  I play games to escape from that shite.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: bgmnts on January 01, 2020, 04:19:41 PM
I don't think this is true at all.  It's more likely that you're only interested in the remakes and sequels to the games which you grew up with and today's kids are interested in the new IPs, such as Fortnite, Apex Legends and Borderlands.  Just because original modern games don't interest you personally, doesn't mean that the new generations won't grow up to look back on them fondly and be playing remakes of those titles in 20 years time.

Lots of modern games interest me, I mostly play modern games, I just can't see many having the same nostalgia inducing effect that these do. Borderlands came out about 12 years ago tbf.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on January 01, 2020, 04:21:14 PM
Tedious "are modern games good" discussion belongs in its own thread.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Jim Bob on January 01, 2020, 04:23:25 PM
Lots of modern games interest me, I mostly play modern games, I just can't see many having the same nostalgia inducing effect that these do.

But that's because you're not a child anymore.  Why would modern games have a nostalgic effect on you?  I see no reason why the likes of Minecraft won't have a strong nostalgic resonance with today's kids in 20 years time.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: bgmnts on January 01, 2020, 04:25:14 PM
Of course but it wont have updated graphics because the wjole point of that is its meant to look shite.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Jim Bob on January 01, 2020, 04:25:59 PM
Of course but it wont have updated graphics because the wjole point of that is its meant to look shite.

Fine, replace my example of Minecraft with any one of the other hundreds of modern games.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on January 01, 2020, 04:26:26 PM
Own thread
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: bgmnts on January 01, 2020, 04:41:03 PM
Fine, replace my example of Minecraft with any one of the other hundreds of modern games.

Sure.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Jim Bob on January 01, 2020, 04:42:19 PM
Sure.

Dandy.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on January 01, 2020, 05:12:57 PM
This was in one of the earlier trailers, so, I dunno maybe they are adding some more British influences for Midgar

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8vk7I5U0AApgcZ.jpg)
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Jim Bob on January 05, 2020, 04:26:35 PM
Here's a playthrough of the full leaked demo. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKbTVTPHm9Q)

I'm starting to warm to this a little more.  It does look pretty good.  I think what will make or break this for me is just how linear the final game is, or how open ended it is.  It's not something which can be assessed by the demo, as that section was linear in the original game too.  The true test will be once the player leaves Midgar, which is one of my fondest memories in all of gaming within the original game; when you suddenly realise that the 5 hours or so spent in Midgar was merely the d'oeuvre and now you've got an entire world to explore as the main course.

If in the remake, the player is instantly whisked to say, the chocobo ranch and there's no world map to run around in, that'll pretty much kill my enthusiasm for this remake.  Unfortunately, we won't know how Square Enix are going to handle that until they release Part 2 in 2022 or whenever.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on January 05, 2020, 10:24:52 PM
The lack of info and clarity on when and how many future episodes there might be is certainly a worry.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: The Culture Bunker on January 05, 2020, 10:34:30 PM
Visually it looks great, but I'm still a long way from convinced I'm going to enjoy the combat.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on January 05, 2020, 10:39:47 PM
I think it's reasonable to guess the experience we'll be getting here. A nice remake, fun to plod through with nostalgia in mind, but ultimately it's probably not going to recapture the magic and charm of something that was made in much headier conditions.

I'm already longing for the original versions of the music when I hear the slick ones in these demo videos. That's likely just me, though.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: peanutbutter on January 05, 2020, 10:45:16 PM
I imagine the number of episodes is dependent on the reception to this one, beyond $$$ considerations you'd imagine it'll give them a good idea of how to pace shit.
Part 2 would be what? Kalm up to Temple of the Ancients? Aeris's death?


The older I get, the more I feel a lot of what made FF7 special was how patched together it all was. The constantly swapping character designs was kinda great and I'm not even sure why, right up to that last fight where you see two designs that have not appeared the whole way through the game
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Urinal Cake on January 06, 2020, 12:12:47 AM
I think it's reasonable to guess the experience we'll be getting here. A nice remake, fun to plod through with nostalgia in mind, but ultimately it's probably not going to recapture the magic and charm of something that was made in much headier conditions.

I'm already longing for the original versions of the music when I hear the slick ones in these demo videos. That's likely just me, though.
Blaxploitation Barret is a mess but when he's telling at Cloud about the planet bleeding green and the Earth talking to him and Cloud just brushes him off as a lunatic it hit me. A new generation and the generation who played it once as kids is probably going to think that this is a new addition just for the contemporary audience. But really shit hasn't changed since the 90s. The environmental, corporate and scientific/social context of the games still exists now.  Also the whole reveal and deconstruction about how Cloud isn't the born hero he thinks he is is probably ring going to ring truer for this generation than the previous one. I think a lot of people are going to be surprised how subversive the game really was.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on January 06, 2020, 12:14:37 AM
Maybe I already said this here, but talking to my friend about how I hate voice acting in adventure games and he suggested the brilliant idea of playing with Japanese audio and English language subtitles. I hope that's an option, as it would be the perfect combination of hearing voices but not having it ruined by being in a language I'm fluent in spoiling my interpretation.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Jim Bob on January 06, 2020, 03:23:59 AM
I like the fact that they didn't try to change Barrett from being anything other than a Poundland version of Mr. T.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Urinal Cake on January 06, 2020, 04:50:31 AM
The first problem with Barret is the voice acting. Then the script.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on January 06, 2020, 06:07:18 PM
Blaxploitation Barret is a mess but when he's telling at Cloud about the planet bleeding green and the Earth talking to him and Cloud just brushes him off as a lunatic it hit me. A new generation and the generation who played it once as kids is probably going to think that this is a new addition just for the contemporary audience. But really shit hasn't changed since the 90s. The environmental, corporate and scientific/social context of the games still exists now.  Also the whole reveal and deconstruction about how Cloud isn't the born hero he thinks he is is probably ring going to ring truer for this generation than the previous one. I think a lot of people are going to be surprised how subversive the game really was.

Yeah Avalanche are basically Extinction Rebellion, and all the pissbaby gamers are going to complain about it forcing a political message.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Phil_A on January 06, 2020, 06:43:55 PM
Maybe I already said this here, but talking to my friend about how I hate voice acting in adventure games and he suggested the brilliant idea of playing with Japanese audio and English language subtitles. I hope that's an option, as it would be the perfect combination of hearing voices but not having it ruined by being in a language I'm fluent in spoiling my interpretation.

Mate, been doing that for years! It was the only way I could endure Bravely Default on the 3DS, the English voices on that were horrendous.

Shenmue improves quite a bit as well with the Japanese audio, but I found the original voices in FFX too obnoxious and ended up switching back to the English.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Johnny Textface on January 06, 2020, 06:49:38 PM
Is this coming to Xbone do we know?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: bgmnts on January 06, 2020, 07:16:50 PM
Mate, been doing that for years!

Same, most English voice acting in JRPGs is crap and listening to the original language adds to the experience for me.

I played the first two Metro games in Russian.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Consignia on January 06, 2020, 07:23:17 PM
Is this coming to Xbone do we know?

Probably. It's not been officially announced, but one of the selling points for the PS4 it's timed exclusivity until March 2021. Look it's on the bleeding box:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ELZFnnkUwAI2TTE?format=jpg&name=small)

Not on Xbone for definite, it could be PC only. But I'd say that's unlikely.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: bgmnts on January 06, 2020, 07:25:26 PM
Thankfully we can all play the full original game on xbone.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on January 06, 2020, 08:28:06 PM
Thankfully we can all play the full original game on xbone.

Sadly we can't! They're going to destroy all copies of the original when this comes out! The original soundtrack too!

In all seriousness though, I'm not sure anything can do more damage to the franchise than the compilation of Final Fantasy 7 already did.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: popcorn on January 06, 2020, 08:30:18 PM
I wonder if they've captured the most important part of FF7 which is
the fact that it's shite!!! Yeah
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on January 06, 2020, 08:43:10 PM
You just don't know how to play games.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Kryton on January 06, 2020, 08:44:55 PM
I doubt the music will hold up in the new version. Probably all orchestra and guitars and dubstep.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: popcorn on January 06, 2020, 08:51:20 PM
You just don't know how to play games.

I genuinely don't know how to play loads of classic PS1 games. It is a console whose entire library seems to be composed JRPGs and survival horror and fighting and racing games with hateful, counter-intuitive designs. I feel like if the PS1 were the only console that had ever come out I would just be someone who didn't like or understand games at all.

I'm glad they're remaking this and the REs though, it means I can at least fill gaps in my knowledge.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Consignia on January 06, 2020, 09:05:21 PM
The most important part of FF7 was the friends you made along the way.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: The Culture Bunker on January 06, 2020, 09:27:04 PM
And learning that spousal abuse was definitely not cool, even if done by the best character in the game.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: PlanktonSideburns on January 06, 2020, 09:29:20 PM
I like the fact that they didn't try to change Barrett from being anything other than a Poundland version of Mr. T.

thats how i always imagined him, the racist 14 year old boy that i was
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: PlanktonSideburns on January 06, 2020, 09:30:53 PM
I genuinely don't know how to play loads of classic PS1 games. It is a console whose entire library seems to be composed JRPGs and survival horror and fighting and racing games with hateful, counter-intuitive designs. I feel like if the PS1 were the only console that had ever come out I would just be someone who didn't like or understand games at all.

I'm glad they're remaking this and the REs though, it means I can at least fill gaps in my knowledge.

i hope theres a glitch in your copy that gives it tank controls
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Jim Bob on January 07, 2020, 12:54:43 AM
I genuinely don't know how to play loads of classic PS1 games. It is a console whose entire library seems to be composed JRPGs and survival horror and fighting and racing games...

popcorn doesn’t do JRPGs, survival horror, fighting or racing games.  popcorn does dating sims.

thats how i always imagined him, the racist 14 year old boy that i was

My comment wasn’t sarcastic.  I too imagined Barrett’s voice to be a Mr T knock-off.  In fact, I’m pretty darn sure that’s how he was originally intended, so I’m genuinely pleased that he’s still presented that way within the remake.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: NoSleep on January 07, 2020, 08:44:14 AM
The most important part of FF7 was the friends you made along the way.

I still keep in touch with some of them.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on January 07, 2020, 11:44:07 AM
I live with Tifa under The Highwind parked up on that mountain. It's very nice.

(http://www.sandraandwoo.com/images/misc/the-night-under-the-highwind.jpg)
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on January 07, 2020, 09:23:14 PM
I bet you do you dirty old...

But nah that is a lovely scene.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cerys on January 08, 2020, 01:35:56 AM
Yeah Avalanche are basically Extinction Rebellion, and all the pissbaby gamers are going to complain about it forcing a political message.

Fuck 'em.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Mister Six on January 09, 2020, 02:19:30 PM
Tifa's tits are too small in the new one.

SHIT GAME.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Timothy on January 14, 2020, 02:55:33 PM
Postponed til April to fix bugs.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cerys on January 14, 2020, 11:39:53 PM
I've waited this long - I can wait a bit longer.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cloud on January 17, 2020, 09:32:19 PM
So looking forward to this.  I don't mind the delay, best to get it right.  Let it be one of the few remakes in the world that is good!

Besides, I'm hoping to squeeze in V and VI beforehand, and original VII if I have time.  Halfway through V so far.  Been living the original journey and even though none of them are connected I still want to do them in order cos I'm weird.

Feel like I'm letting the side down as a super-fan not having any plans to get the First Class edition, but £260... FUCK ME

I doubt the music will hold up in the new version.

This is my only real worry.  The music was really important for the original game IMO, a great example of music being a catalyst for emotions (particularly the sad Aeris music), and creating memories.  The bold, in-your-face Rufus music when you first walk into Junon.  The shivers of excitement the first time you get (rescued by) the Highwind to the triumphant flight music.  Even the chills I got from the version of the Shinra tune where the HQ finally gets wiped out.  It'd be so easy to "OCremix" the game's music to death.
Didn't I hear that Uematsu was involved in the remake in some way though?  That would have a very decent chance of making it rather than breaking it.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on January 17, 2020, 10:37:11 PM
Feel like I'm letting the side down as a super-fan not having any plans to get the First Class edition, but £260... FUCK ME
For a bunch of plastic tat that nobody artistically involved with the game is likely to have had any input on
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Consignia on January 17, 2020, 10:45:15 PM
A colleague was browsing upcoming releases and he noticed an exorbitantly priced SpongeBob Square pants game. We assumed it included a console as well. But not it's just this wank:

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/510v7oOi1nL._AC_SY400_ML1_.jpg)

Limited editions are a mugs game.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cloud on January 17, 2020, 10:55:07 PM
For a bunch of plastic tat that nobody artistically involved with the game is likely to have had any input on

Yes thank you, I needed to hear this!

Plastic is a damn good point as well.  It's a game that alluded to climate change kind of stuff and we get tempted by bits of useless plastic with it.  Bah!

(Speaking of which I wonder if the usual suspects on Youtube and the like will be raging that the FFVII Remake is GRETA THUNBERG LOVING SJW TREE HUGGER HIPPIES TAKING OVER VIDEO GAMES WITH THEIR EXTINCTION REBELLION ECO TERRORISM NONSENSE and completely forgetting that the story was that way long before Greta was even born)
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: NoSleep on January 17, 2020, 11:01:01 PM
A colleague was browsing upcoming releases and he noticed an exorbitantly priced SpongeBob Square pants game. We assumed it included a console as well. But not it's just this wank:

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/510v7oOi1nL._AC_SY400_ML1_.jpg)

Limited editions are a mugs game.

Can't see a mug there.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Consignia on January 17, 2020, 11:05:33 PM
You have pay for the even more limited edition for the mug. It's also constructed purely from crepe paper. £300 please.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cerys on January 17, 2020, 11:24:42 PM
They aren't producing mugs made of materia?  They missed a trick there.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Jim Bob on January 17, 2020, 11:39:16 PM
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/510v7oOi1nL._AC_SY400_ML1_.jpg)

F.U.N. (Financially Unreasonable Nicknacks) Edition
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Jim Bob on January 27, 2020, 08:02:22 PM
The voice actors for Aerith and Barret play the original Final Fantasy VII. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7kwJgKW9wg)
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Urinal Cake on January 31, 2020, 10:57:39 AM
New trailer? https://youtu.be/3alSpW18SnE

I think this will be good
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Jim Bob on January 31, 2020, 11:53:43 AM
New trailer? https://youtu.be/3alSpW18SnE

I think this will be good

Holy moly, that looks incredible!  I will keep my expectations in check, but that does look rather good.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on January 31, 2020, 06:21:20 PM
Very encouraging trailer because it looks to have a sense of humour and isn't ashamed to be daft and campy.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on January 31, 2020, 06:27:08 PM
Also very impressed by Scarlet. If they ever get to making that scene, I might just let her slap me.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: bgmnts on January 31, 2020, 06:27:33 PM
I bet they'll make Barret gay.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on January 31, 2020, 06:41:08 PM
Gay (and pedophilic?) for Young Cloud.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: gmoney on January 31, 2020, 06:47:43 PM
Very encouraging trailer because it looks to have a sense of humour and isn't ashamed to be daft and campy.

I'm not sure why it seemed to be the popular view that it would be completely po-faced. Wasn't the last FF set around a boy band?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on January 31, 2020, 06:51:23 PM
I think it's because the mythologising around FF7's legacy tends to leave out these elements.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Consignia on January 31, 2020, 08:17:30 PM
The compilation of FFVII has a lot to answer for. Most of the miserable Cloud stuff comes from that.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Pseudopath on January 31, 2020, 08:20:57 PM
Wasn't too bothered by this, but that bit with the Mog Moogle has won me over.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Urinal Cake on January 31, 2020, 09:11:01 PM
The compilation of FFVII has a lot to answer for. Most of the miserable Cloud stuff comes from that.
To be fair the two main characters are pretty miserable- Cloud and Seprioth. They are also in love with each other. 
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cerys on January 31, 2020, 09:51:13 PM
Well, I've just come.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Golden E. Pump on January 31, 2020, 11:02:47 PM
Yeah that looks special. There's a lot of new stuff in there but it doesn't feel out of place. Feels like when they expand a movie into a TV series.

FFVII - The Godfather
FFVII Remake - The Sopranos?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: popcorn on February 01, 2020, 03:41:54 AM
As someone who never played FF7 (at least more than the first hour or two) that's one of the most baffling trailers I've ever seen.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Mister Six on February 01, 2020, 03:49:41 AM
All right, yeah, that looks like the tits. I'm happy.

Who's "second dance" bloke on the bike? I don't remember him, and I recognise everyone else. Is he some tertiary Disc 1 villain that I've totally forgotten about?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cerys on February 01, 2020, 03:50:40 AM
As someone who never played FF7 (at least more than the first hour or two) that's one of the most baffling trailers I've ever seen.

As someone who has played it many, many times, that trailer made me feel all tingly in a special secret girl place.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Mister Six on February 01, 2020, 03:52:28 AM
Your robotic anus?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cerys on February 01, 2020, 03:56:47 AM
Only on alternate Thursdays.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on February 01, 2020, 04:31:15 AM
I wonder if they modeled Cloud's dick

I'm not interested I just want to know
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cerys on February 01, 2020, 04:56:23 AM
They probably modelled at least the front of it, to provide the right kind of groin shape.  Whether or not they added a load of polygons and made it complete, we may never know.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on February 01, 2020, 04:57:07 AM
I'd bring it to completion.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cerys on February 01, 2020, 05:10:04 AM
Somehow this does not surprise me.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: popcorn on February 01, 2020, 06:11:53 AM
They probably modelled at least the front of it, to provide the right kind of groin shape.  Whether or not they added a load of polygons and made it complete, we may never know.

We will definitely be able to find that out once the PC hackers get hold of it. It was recently discovered that Shenmue III contained female nipples and they had to patch em out.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: H-O-W-L on February 01, 2020, 07:56:03 AM
We will definitely be able to find that out once the PC hackers get hold of it. It was recently discovered that Shenmue III contained female nipples and they had to patch em out.

It still rogers my parsnips that I can see full man arse and floppy todger in the open world of Red Dead Redemption 2 or Piggsy's wanger wobbling around in Manhunt, or even a bit of tit flash in those interminable Witcher games, but by and large female nudity in games is THE END OF THE WORLD AND MUST BE CENSORED.

Fuck that, get your fanny out.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cerys on February 01, 2020, 08:28:12 AM
It still surprises me that in all the time I've had access to 3D modelling packages[1], I still haven't made a willy.
 1. Fnarr
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: bgmnts on February 01, 2020, 11:39:13 AM
Trailer means fuck all to be fair. Just wait til you're playing the game you love from childhood but with shit, unsatisfying controls and mechanics.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on February 01, 2020, 04:44:36 PM
I just wouldn't invite them.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on February 01, 2020, 05:19:02 PM
I mean, I rarely really ENJOY the fighting parts of a JRPG anyway, I play them for the bad story, so wishing the battle parts would hurry up and be over will be the same as when I played it as a child.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Mister Six on February 01, 2020, 05:44:20 PM
Who IS the bloke on the bike in the trailer? Is he from the original game? COME ON, BOFFINS!
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: bgmnts on February 01, 2020, 05:52:28 PM
I mean, I rarely really ENJOY the fighting parts of a JRPG anyway, I play them for the bad story, so wishing the battle parts would hurry up and be over will be the same as when I played it as a child.

The turn based system at least adds a bit of strategy and tension. Holding down B for an hour doesn't have the same engagement
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on February 01, 2020, 06:28:19 PM
Who IS the bloke on the bike in the trailer? Is he from the original game? COME ON, BOFFINS!
Yeah I don't know either. A Turk? Original new character?

I am penetrating sexually ambiguous Cloud. It feels nice.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Consignia on February 01, 2020, 07:48:26 PM
Who IS the bloke on the bike in the trailer? Is he from the original game? COME ON, BOFFINS!

He wasn't in the old game. Original character; do not steal.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Jim Bob on February 01, 2020, 08:25:39 PM
Who IS the bloke on the bike in the trailer? Is he from the original game? COME ON, BOFFINS!

It's Roche (https://hypebeast.com/2019/12/square-enix-final-fantasy-vii-new-character-roche-first-look), a new character.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on February 01, 2020, 08:33:33 PM
Everything new they add is going to be absolute dogshit isn't it?

I do worry, because my theory is that Tetsuya Nomura's fine when collaborating, but as a lead designer/director/writer he's terrible and needs someone to rein him in.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Urinal Cake on February 01, 2020, 08:40:51 PM
Going by their track record in the FF7 expanded universe it will be okay.

I think chopping and changing the chronology/narrative is going to be more worrying.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Mister Six on February 02, 2020, 02:23:22 AM
Everything new they add is going to be absolute dogshit isn't it?

I do worry, because my theory is that Tetsuya Nomura's fine when collaborating, but as a lead designer/director/writer he's terrible and needs someone to rein him in.

Hopefully he's just a minor character there to flesh out the Midgar section, now it has to stand alone.

I'm more worried about those shots of Cloud running around where the camera's trying to fly up his arse. I was lovely aerial views of all that weird and wonderful scenery! Hoping that's just in the stairwells or other confined areas.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Golden E. Pump on February 17, 2020, 12:14:16 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOA5GwRcBks (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOA5GwRcBks)

Full intro video released. This game looks beautiful and every time they show something I get more and more impressed. Somehow, I think they're actually going to pull this off.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cerys on February 17, 2020, 12:21:33 PM
What ^ he said.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cloud on February 17, 2020, 01:35:40 PM
I'm actually not going to watch any more previews or trailers as otherwise there will be nothing left to experience when the game itself comes out (aside from the game mechanics)

But things are looking good this year so far.  A new Star Trek based thing that doesn't suck.  A new Sonic based thing that doesn't suck.  Fair possibility of this not sucking...
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: bgmnts on February 17, 2020, 01:37:36 PM
You can't go back. We were children then.

Who knows, maybe it'll pull a Resi Evil 2 and be actually good. But Square Enix, meh...
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cerys on February 17, 2020, 04:40:17 PM
You can't go back. We were children then.

I wasn't.

Shit, I'm old.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: bgmnts on February 17, 2020, 05:07:20 PM
They have every Nobuo Uematsu soundtrack ever on Spotify EXCEPT still haven't recovered Lost Odyssey, gutting.

Still, FFVI,VII,VIII,IX and X on spotify though can't argue.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Bazooka on February 17, 2020, 06:38:29 PM
Apparently this is going to be 7 discs.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on February 17, 2020, 06:40:46 PM
Apparently that's nonsense.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on February 17, 2020, 06:42:53 PM
I mean it might actually be one day when all parts are out, but who knows when that will be.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: bgmnts on February 17, 2020, 06:44:20 PM
7 discs worth in modern gaming? What's that, like 700 gigabytes?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Consignia on February 17, 2020, 06:59:46 PM
7 Hours of Gameplay.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: brat-sampson on March 02, 2020, 11:58:42 AM
There's a demo on PSN. Get it done.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Bazooka on March 02, 2020, 02:26:33 PM
There's a demo on PSN. Get it done.

It's coming through my pipes as we speak.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: bgmnts on March 02, 2020, 05:23:44 PM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.eurogamer.net/amp/2020-03-02-red-xiii-isnt-playable-in-final-fantasy-7-remake

Great, cheers.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on March 02, 2020, 06:43:47 PM
Here's my impression of a FF7 Remake character standing still not doing anything.

"HUFF HUFF"
"MMMM"
"HUH"
"HNGHHHH"
"RIGHT!"
"GUH"
"WHAA?"
"WHOOOO"
"THIS WAY!"
"OAOAHOOOO"


Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on March 02, 2020, 08:04:46 PM
Anyway this was fine, but I saw various people saying variants of "wow I wasn't sure about a FF7 Remake, but this has me hyped!!!" And I want to know what the fuck they expected it to be, because it's been pretty much exactly what I would have thought would be, so I certainly retain my concerns after that demo.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on March 02, 2020, 08:47:41 PM
I'm going back to "I'll probably just watch bits of playthroughs of it". If I were to write down the best outcome I can expect from this, it doesn't get any better than me thinking "yes, they pulled this off to an acceptable standard". Doesn't really add much value to my life.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Urinal Cake on March 02, 2020, 08:51:20 PM
The combat system is fine but what bugged me the most was the dialogue just seemed off.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: tourism on March 02, 2020, 09:13:52 PM
I liked it overall (the fighting and everything) but the reactor didn't feel as moody and urgent as I'd remembered. something about the palette/lighting or not being a child. Barret also sounds a bit RDJ in Tropic Thunder.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Bazooka on March 02, 2020, 11:25:47 PM
Combat was nice and fluid,moving around was smooth (no getting stuck on scenery).  Played as I expected, FF Crisis Core(underated game) but higher specs, was good. I've only ever completed FF7 once and another time quite far in, will buy this.

And the cherry on top, you can bloody skip cutscenes,but I didn't. 
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: madhair60 on March 02, 2020, 11:51:34 PM
Good combat,  fucking imbecilic dialogue and constant guttural noises "ugh ah oh ehh geh geh" cunt your fucking vaccum.

"better memorise its attack patterns", what am I, fucking five
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: madhair60 on March 02, 2020, 11:54:01 PM
it's essentially FFVII but for real braindead morons so fundamentally perfect for me
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: bgmnts on March 02, 2020, 11:54:26 PM
I bet it helped you remember to memorise the attack patterns though didn't it?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Bazooka on March 03, 2020, 12:03:10 AM
Game seemed to throw healing stuff at you, wonder if that's in the full game.

Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Bazooka on March 03, 2020, 12:04:13 AM
Good combat,  fucking imbecilic dialogue and constant guttural noises "ugh ah oh ehh geh geh" cunt your fucking vaccum.

"better memorise its attack patterns", what am I, fucking five

It's alright mate we won't tell the public you had to use the Phoenix down.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: peanutbutter on March 04, 2020, 09:22:48 AM
I wonder which part will be the first PS5 exclusive, part 3? Part 2 after loads of delays?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cloud on March 04, 2020, 01:46:17 PM
Here's my impression of a FF7 Remake character standing still not doing anything.

"HUFF HUFF"
"MMMM"
"HUH"
"HNGHHHH"
"RIGHT!"
"GUH"
"WHAA?"
"WHOOOO"
"THIS WAY!"
"OAOAHOOOO"

Oh no I hate it when they insist on the characters always making noises.  Hopefully it doesn't detract too much.  Bring back the days of FF8 with everyone trailing along in a line in silence...

If they have that random but too-small selection of "funny" comments they make every time they defeat an enemy or finish a battle like in XV it's going to get right on my tits.  "NOCT.. another one out" SHUT UP

Going to wait for the full game...
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: bgmnts on March 04, 2020, 01:46:52 PM
Oh no I hate it when they insist on the characters always making noises.  Hopefully it doesn't detract too much.  Bring back the days of FF8 with everyone trailing along in a line in silence...

Going to wait for the full game...


...
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cloud on March 04, 2020, 02:10:20 PM
.....
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on March 04, 2020, 07:10:45 PM
Oh no I hate it when they insist on the characters always making noises.  Hopefully it doesn't detract too much.  Bring back the days of FF8 with everyone trailing along in a line in silence...

If they have that random but too-small selection of "funny" comments they make every time they defeat an enemy or finish a battle like in XV it's going to get right on my tits.  "NOCT.. another one out" SHUT UP

Going to wait for the full game...


HNGGHHHHHH
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on March 04, 2020, 07:12:28 PM
"NOCT.. another one out" SHUT UP
Blurring my eyes and pretending that there's an FF game where a character keeps talking about Not the Nine O'Clock News after victories.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Sheffield Wednesday on March 06, 2020, 06:19:03 AM
I cried physical salt tears during the intro, as the camera rose to reveal LOVELESS and surged above the city and I took in Midgar looking every inch as incredible as it did first time around, like it was in my memories, and then PAH PAHHHH!!! the fanfare as the titles appear and I feel a lump in my throat but I'm also laughing, this is it, I exhale, happy, suspended in time...CHUGGA CHUGGA, the camera starts swooping, CHUGGA CHUGGA, they've got the palette just right, CHUGGA CHUGGA, is this really happening...? The bass arpeggios, the steam, the somersault...this is Final fucking Fantasy VII. I can't believe it's here.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Capt.Midnight on March 06, 2020, 08:14:37 AM
They’ve nailed the atmosphere of the original. Whilst many have praised the combat system, I felt a bit out of control with it a lot of the time...An uneasy mix of fast action and tactical menu scrolling. I felt like I was ordering a several Just Eat takeaways in the midst of an amphetamine binge.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Sheffield Wednesday on March 06, 2020, 10:36:23 AM
I think any meaningful analysis of the combat in the demo is tricky because the first few hours of combat in the original game were completely mindless. I can see this halfway house of ARPG and JRPG mechanics clicking quite a nicely and it certainly feels a whole lot more fun and interesting than FFXV.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Golden E. Pump on March 06, 2020, 02:23:24 PM
Just finished my third playthrough. I absolutely love it. The combat system feels better as you learn how to use it and I can see this being every bit as immersive as the original. Tone is spot on.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: The Culture Bunker on March 06, 2020, 10:36:06 PM
Nah, not having it, sorry. It looks great, but it struck me as a 1997 game with updated graphics, and none of what I actually want from a game in 2020. Voice acting was pretty "meh" too. I'll probably buy it for a nostalgia trip through the story at some point, but no way for more than £20.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Sheffield Wednesday on March 06, 2020, 10:42:45 PM
What do you mean by 'nah, not having it'?

Would also be interested to hear what makes it a 1997 game from the demo. And while you're reflecting, it would be useful context to know what you want from a game in 2020, as well.

Many thanks.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: The Culture Bunker on March 06, 2020, 10:55:41 PM
I don't want a game that just makes me think I am pressing buttons to get between A to B. I'm aware most games are that, but some do make an effort to fool me into thinking I have some agency.

And by "nah, not having it", I mean, I'm not paying a lot of money for what is essentially a lot of cut scenes with the odd bit of slashing and running between them. That was fine in 1997, not 2020. Fancy graphics and a nostalgic buzz isn't enough. I mean, even the original gave me some dialogue choices.

It looks great, but for me, it plays "meh".
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: bgmnts on March 06, 2020, 10:56:19 PM
I want turn based combat where I have to think.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Urinal Cake on March 06, 2020, 11:03:07 PM
I don't want a game that just makes me think I am pressing buttons to get between A to B. I'm aware most games are that, but some do make an effort to fool me into thinking I have some agency.

And by "nah, not having it", I mean, I'm not paying a lot of money for what is essentially a lot of cut scenes with the odd bit of slashing and running between them. That was fine in 1997, not 2020. Fancy graphics and a nostalgic buzz isn't enough. I mean, even the original gave me some dialogue choices.

It looks great, but for me, it plays "meh".
I'm hoping they greatly expand Midgar, allow you to explore add more quests, optional quests etc. For me the whole chapter thing has put me off but it's understandable commercially. That's why it's not a launch buy for me.  If reviews for it are average I might just wait for the box set or next gen version.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: The Culture Bunker on March 06, 2020, 11:11:03 PM
I'm hoping they greatly expand Midgar, allow you to explore add more quests, optional quests etc. For me the whole chapter thing has put me off but it's understandable commercially. That's why it's not a launch buy for me.  If reviews for it are average I might just wait for the box set or next gen version.
I barely trust video game reviews anymore. I think back to the original, when I first played it, and it was fun how you could name the characters so that Red XIII can always be "Old Shep" to you if you wish. Obviously that's gone now, and I wonder if there is actually any way to make the experience even feel slightly unique to yourself. I got off the FF ride when it just seemed like a "we'll hold your hand down this corridor" experience of gaming - the demo just seemed more of that.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on March 06, 2020, 11:21:23 PM
Hm, that's another reason I think I'll just watch playthroughs or streams of it. It's too detailed and nothing is left open to interpretation. It's book versus the movie, for me.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Urinal Cake on March 06, 2020, 11:31:05 PM
Well it'll be my third time- PS1, PS4 and then this version. Gameplay wise it's a novelty. Narrative I agree they seem to be going deep rather than wide. Like I don't want to find everything out about Cloud but build the world more.  Maybe they'll expand the locales enough to keep me interested.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Sheffield Wednesday on March 07, 2020, 06:09:09 AM
I don't want a game that just makes me think I am pressing buttons to get between A to B. I'm aware most games are that, but some do make an effort to fool me into thinking I have some agency.

And by "nah, not having it", I mean, I'm not paying a lot of money for what is essentially a lot of cut scenes with the odd bit of slashing and running between them. That was fine in 1997, not 2020. Fancy graphics and a nostalgic buzz isn't enough. I mean, even the original gave me some dialogue choices.

It looks great, but for me, it plays "meh".

Dare I say you're possibly being a tiny bit reactionary on the basis of the first 30 minutes, which also function as a tutorial for the UI and basic combat/interactions?

You also know that they're on a mission to blow up a reactor, context which doesn't offer a lot of scope for side quests or free roaming... I'm not being a smart arse here but I think you're reading a lot into this. Contrast the bombing mission in the original to how the game develops. This is unlikely to be representative of the whole game!

Also, "a lot of cut scenes with the odd bit of slashing and running between them" is a great description of God of War (2018)! :)

Edit: Here's a vid of some guy quick killing the scorpion boss at the end of the demo, by using lightning at the right moments and coordinating pressure attacks to stagger and then punish with more lightning and special abilities. There's already more depth to this combat system than anything in the endgame of the original.

https://youtu.be/P7Atr5Es03I
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Mister Six on March 07, 2020, 06:46:54 AM
Yeah, original FF7 was absurdly basic in its combat throughout the whole reactor sequence, wasn't it? I don't think you even got to use a limit break until the scorpion boss, and didn't get a summon until you were out of Midgar.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Sheffield Wednesday on March 07, 2020, 07:33:28 AM
That's right, yeah. The combat in the original was no more complex mechanically than the SNES games.

As a criticism of the Remake, the Classic combat is a misnomer. There is no mode here which replicates the ATB combat of the original so I don't really know why they included that - or, rather, why they changed it yet called it Classic.

Also, to join The Culture Bunker in some healthy skepticism, I do imagine this will be narrower and more linear than the original, not least because we're very unlikely to leave Midgar. Until you reach the open world, the original is a series of set pieces and cut scenes. Although we know that they've expanded things here and included more side quests and back story, there is a narrative momentum to the whole first act that logically necessitates a set piece structure. I very much doubt there will be any free roaming around the city. I reckon it'll be more like a Persona thing where you jump from one walled-off area to another but they will pack these closed spaces with details. That sounds much more appealing to me because I think they can do more with those key areas that way.

Whether or not the greater depth and character exploration adds or takes away from the charm and mystery, I'm still pretty skeptical but I really enjoyed the dialogue and interactions in the demo more than in the original. Biggs, Jessie and Wedge have never really resonated with me at all but I already feel like I know them better from that half hour. It's goofy and sincere dialogue but in that way, it really hits the same notes as the original. I'm pleased they haven't tried to make it naturalistic or 'adult'.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: The Culture Bunker on March 07, 2020, 10:58:27 AM
Also, "a lot of cut scenes with the odd bit of slashing and running between them" is a great description of God of War (2018)! :)
You couldn't actually make a worse comparison in trying to sell the FF7 Remake to me.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Sheffield Wednesday on March 07, 2020, 11:19:00 AM
I'm not trying to 'sell' anything to you.

I was saying that your description of outdated gameplay is at odds with that widely-celebrated modern big-budget game - one I have no affection for whatsoever. I was asking you to think twice about what you said.

I was actually quite understanding and polite in response to your bad-tempered froth so please take it down a few notches. Cheers.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Jim Bob on March 07, 2020, 02:33:25 PM
...it was fun how you could name the characters so that Red XIII can always be "Old Shep" to you if you wish.

(https://i.imgur.com/jtEXEds.jpg?1)

"Who is Nanaki?"

"Nanaki is Nanaki."

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

FUN FACT: Have you ever noticed that Nanaki is Anakin with the last 'n' placed as the first letter?  Another Star Wars reference in a Final Fantasy game (like Biggs and Wedge) perchance?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: gmoney on March 07, 2020, 02:38:17 PM
I remember reading (maybe on here?) of someone calling every character Sepiroth and trying to make any sense of what was happening.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on March 07, 2020, 03:01:18 PM
Or just leave the character names as their defaults and trying to make any sense of what was happening.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: gmoney on March 07, 2020, 03:21:15 PM
Ha! Yes, that's as funny.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: bgmnts on March 07, 2020, 04:43:56 PM
https://nintendoeverything.com/square-enixs-yoshinori-kitase-interested-in-remaking-final-fantasy-v-someday/


Oooh
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cloud on March 07, 2020, 06:58:54 PM
"Who is Nanaki?"

Heh, I also do similar with FFIX.  Sorry but Dagger is a fucking stupid name - back to Garnet you go!
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: peanutbutter on March 14, 2020, 12:08:53 AM
Feel like they'd've made a fucking killing if this came out a couple of weeks earlier.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on March 15, 2020, 01:33:44 AM
Imagine if they couldn't get it released because of Corona virus, imagine the gamer tears. It might actually be worth it.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Obel on March 15, 2020, 05:01:24 PM
Just played the demo, bleh, it was exactly what I feared. Button mashing combat that doesn't make you feel like you're having any meaningful impact on things and god awful voice acting that actually makes me like the characters less.

The plus points are the music has some nice updates of the classic tunes. I loved listening to the theme music on the title screen. I have so much affection for VII so it tugged on my heart strings a bit. The graphics are lush but the graphics are lush in every game these days. It's great seeing the world expanded and deepened; it's a world I want to spend a lot of time in but the gameplay itself just does not do it for me in the slightest. If this played like a Souls game with text dialogue I'd be all over it. I know that wouldn't make sense in a FF game but the way this is designed just isn't for me at all.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Johnny Textface on March 15, 2020, 05:04:48 PM
They've fucked the music.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Obel on March 15, 2020, 05:06:58 PM
They've fucked the music.

They should put your quote on the box
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Sheffield Wednesday on March 15, 2020, 06:02:44 PM
If you think the combat is button mashing, you're playing it wrong. Remember also that if you had played a demo of the original FFVII, your impression of the combat would have been 'you wait to press attack three times and then you win'.

Some of the music sounds amazing with orchestral arrangements, some I definitely prefer the midi originals. They haven't 'fucked the music'.

I love this forum in many ways but the pulverising negativity and contrarianism make me weary.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: bgmnts on March 15, 2020, 06:05:13 PM
Is it anything like FFXV? That combat was the least engaging and interesting combat in any AAA game i've ever played. You could pretty much play 90% game holding one or two buttons.

I hope it's not like that.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Golden E. Pump on March 15, 2020, 08:23:35 PM
It's nothing like that. That was my biggest fear. But it feels far more tactical than perhaps even the original, because now you've got to control the movement as well.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Obel on March 16, 2020, 08:59:50 AM
If you think the combat is button mashing, you're playing it wrong. Remember also that if you had played a demo of the original FFVII, your impression of the combat would have been 'you wait to press attack three times and then you win'.

Some of the music sounds amazing with orchestral arrangements, some I definitely prefer the midi originals. They haven't 'fucked the music'.

I love this forum in many ways but the pulverising negativity and contrarianism make me weary.

There's nothing contrarian about me disagreeing with your opinion. The fighting is as follows: press or hold square repeatedly. Occasionally visit a menu and do other stuff. It's not stimulating to me in the slightest. I prefer my RPG's to be action RPG's, where I have a few more buttons to work with that make me feel like striking an enemy actually has some impact. I'm not wowed at all by a character flipping through the air on screen when all I've done is tapped the same button a few times.

I remember perfectly my experience of playing FFVII the first time. I'd never played an RPG before so menu based combat was unique to me, it felt slower and more strategic allowing for planning out the fight. It also allowed the game to look a bit more graphically impressive for the time. If that version of the game came out in 2020 I'd think it was terrible, but it came out 23 years ago where I found it interesting and enjoyable.

Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: popcorn on March 16, 2020, 02:54:30 PM
I too remember playing FFVII for the first time. Like many people, it was my first JRPG, or one of them.

I was appalled that repeatedly selecting attack from a menu and watching little men take it turns to hit each other constituted gameplay and immediately dismissed it as shit for cunts, an opinion I have been 100% right about ever since.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: MojoJojo on March 29, 2020, 12:26:32 PM
Just played the demo, bleh, it was exactly what I feared. Button mashing combat that doesn't make you feel like you're having any meaningful impact on things and god awful voice acting that actually makes me like the characters less.

Yeah, this was my impression of it. Too cluttered and confusing, hard to work out what's going on and too many buttons. Not helped by the fact you're in charge of more than one person.

Yes, maybe this is all fixed by "git gud", but really it should be better. It looks good and sounds good, I might get it cheap and play it on easy.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cloud on March 29, 2020, 04:54:49 PM
I love this forum in many ways but the pulverising negativity and contrarianism make me weary.

Think I said this a few posts ago but this lot could put a dampener on a funeral.  I overall enjoy posting here, they just don't like anything.  Honestly just play and enjoy things for yourself and don't worry too much what cab thinks of things - it's almost always some variation of "shit for cunts"
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: bgmnts on March 29, 2020, 04:59:01 PM
To be fair I fucking love lots of things to an obsurd degree even with thr mind numbing depression. But an FF VII revival isn't one of yhem.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on March 29, 2020, 05:38:41 PM
My feelings are slightly conflicted.

I wish they had gone for turn based traditional RPG combat, I'm not quite sure why it's assumed that's not viable now when plenty of modern RPG's do go with it to great success, I suspect perhaps it would look weird with the hyper-realistic style they go for, but then so does this. Personally, for a JRPG, I want turn based strategic combat rather than the ATB/Action hybrid

At the same time, the combat in this is MORE complicated than what you're doing at the start of the original game, and if they have to go with this kind of hybrid style, then this is the best example of it I've seen, and it definitely has potential to get more interesting when you've time to get used to it and they can design more complicated encounters. I'm looking forward to seeing how Tifa and Aeris would function in this style.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on March 29, 2020, 05:39:13 PM
I'm looking forward to seeing how Tifa and Aeris would function in this style.

(I bet you are you dirty old...)
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Abnormal Palm on March 29, 2020, 06:01:49 PM
My issue was that the criticism extrapolated far more than is likely reasonable about the game as a whole. It's a demo of the very start of the tutorial, not a snapshot of the midgame mechanical depth. I love arcade games as much as the next guy, no, much more than the next guy, but I don't expect the FF7R to start in fifth gear.

Equally, saying that it doesn't play like an action RPG seems to be holding it to a standard it doesn't even attempt to meet. Despite appearances, the combat is very similar in principle to the original, bread and butter attacks chipping away with more tactical decisions making the significant differences. The character action elements are extremely light, far more in line with something like Xenoblade Chronicles than Bayonetta.

I will apologise for saying that it was contrarianism because that's a personal comment.

Edit: I forgot my password for that account yeah.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on March 29, 2020, 06:17:56 PM
Fucking lol, I thought I might come back and see that post edited.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Abnormal Palm on March 29, 2020, 06:30:26 PM
:) Good to see you, bruv.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Obel on March 30, 2020, 09:04:38 AM
My issue was that the criticism extrapolated far more than is likely reasonable about the game as a whole. It's a demo of the very start of the tutorial, not a snapshot of the midgame mechanical depth. I love arcade games as much as the next guy, no, much more than the next guy, but I don't expect the FF7R to start in fifth gear.

Equally, saying that it doesn't play like an action RPG seems to be holding it to a standard it doesn't even attempt to meet. Despite appearances, the combat is very similar in principle to the original, bread and butter attacks chipping away with more tactical decisions making the significant differences. The character action elements are extremely light, far more in line with something like Xenoblade Chronicles than Bayonetta.

I will apologise for saying that it was contrarianism because that's a personal comment.

Edit: I forgot my password for that account yeah.

I don't think I could have made it any clearer that this game isn't made for me. I didn't say it should be made as an action RPG, simply that I prefer that style of gameplay generally and the FFVII remake isn't made in line with how I enjoy games. I can see people are holding this remake really close to their hearts already as any criticism is being met with accusations that people are just being negative or contrarian, but it might be worth reminding you that this is a discussion forum where people discuss their thoughts on things. Unless you think it's the case I've decided to not like the game when secretly I actually do?

On the note of it being a demo; if it's not put out there to sell you on how the game plays then what is it for? If I play a demo and dislike it should I buy the full game anyway because it'll probably get better after the demo?

If peoples opinions on forums neg you out so much I would probably advise you don't log onto forums anymore.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Bazooka on March 30, 2020, 09:58:40 AM
I can't think of any examples where a demo is not a 99% reflection of the full release, like every big game release these days it's going to have 100GB updates for months.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Abnormal Palm on March 30, 2020, 02:47:17 PM
I can see people are holding this remake really close to their hearts already as any criticism is being met with accusations that people are just being negative or contrarian, but it might be worth reminding you that this is a discussion forum where people discuss their thoughts on things.

If peoples opinions on forums neg you out so much I would probably advise you don't log onto forums anymore.

If you don't want criticism of your reasoning on a discussion forum, just say 'I don't like it'.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: bgmnts on March 30, 2020, 03:31:11 PM
If you don't want criticism of your reasoning on a discussion forum, just say 'I don't like it'.

Yeah but if your criticism is just "don't be so negative"...
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Abnormal Palm on March 30, 2020, 03:46:49 PM
Yeah but

 I explained in detail twice

Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on March 30, 2020, 03:50:34 PM
Thank you interloper. If you're done then we'll continue thanks
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Abnormal Palm on March 30, 2020, 03:51:46 PM
This game is now out there by the way. Retail copies leaked.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Abnormal Palm on April 01, 2020, 05:38:38 AM
Now on sale in Australia for some reason. They just decided to break release date.

Will Square Enix unlock digital preorders early? They probably won't.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: madhair60 on April 04, 2020, 01:28:46 PM
My copy dropped through the letterbox this morning. :)

This game is going to make people angry :)
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cloud on April 04, 2020, 06:42:01 PM
They won't release digital early.

Properly kicked myself yesterday as I've wanted physical deluxe but held back due to an upcoming birthday "just in case".  Well everywhere had ran out.  Thought "well fuck, it's a limited edition isn't it, so that's that".  Kept refreshing Game and as luck would have it suddenly around 4pm it let me order.

Still not counting my chocobos til they've dispatched...
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: madhair60 on April 04, 2020, 08:27:54 PM
I've played a little more.

People are going to go insane. There's going to be at least one suicide.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on April 04, 2020, 08:37:20 PM
Does anything in it feel like art with any touch of magic or soul to it or is it all just a big fucking product
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: madhair60 on April 04, 2020, 08:50:21 PM
You know that bit in the original where Barrett clears out a train cab so he can put his feet up?

That's a five minute cutscene now in which multiple characters YELL their MOTIVATIONS and OPINIONS
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: bgmnts on April 04, 2020, 09:17:11 PM
Just realised why do we all rightfully shit on Lucas and Spielberg going back and editing their films and doing special editions but we don't rag on these remakes?

Fuck em all?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: tourism on April 04, 2020, 09:53:05 PM
Just realised why do we all rightfully shit on Lucas and Spielberg going back and editing their films and doing special editions but we don't rag on these remakes?

Fuck em all?

that's valid yeah, but I would prefer to shit on 'Sephiroth' or 'the turks' while playing this perfect game, completely undisappointed

You know that bit in the original where Barrett clears out a train cab so he can put his feet up?

That's a five minute cutscene now in which multiple characters YELL their MOTIVATIONS and OPINIONS

music to my ears!
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: NoSleep on April 05, 2020, 05:47:59 AM
Just realised why do we all rightfully shit on Lucas and Spielberg going back and editing their films and doing special editions but we don't rag on these remakes?

Fuck em all?

Because a remake is different to how Lucas & Spielberg keep tweaking the original films. They try to rewrite history compared to a remake of a film (which can be disregarded). The FF series has featured several versions of the games with tweaks in gameplay, graphics, translations, difficulty but are at the core based on the original release (and some people might not be pleased, whilst others will prefer them); I would call this new FFVII a different game to the original; a true remake.

I think more people were pissed off with Spielberg for the last Raiders film because it shat over the earlier films. He and Lucas should really be more interested in releasing new material instead of treading water, but there's the evidence that the well has run dry (or they really don't care).
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Urinal Cake on April 05, 2020, 06:16:52 AM
Just realised why do we all rightfully shit on Lucas and Spielberg going back and editing their films and doing special editions but we don't rag on these remakes?

Fuck em all?
Well if FFVII REmake is shit that's what'll happen.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: madhair60 on April 05, 2020, 10:42:49 AM
This game is a corridor you run down while looking at FFVII stuff.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on April 05, 2020, 10:46:11 AM
Is it playable with Japanese audio and English subs?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Timothy on April 05, 2020, 10:46:27 AM
Got it today. Demo was great so cant wait to play it after install is finished.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on April 05, 2020, 11:34:34 AM
Just realised why do we all rightfully shit on Lucas and Spielberg going back and editing their films and doing special editions but we don't rag on these remakes?

Fuck em all?

Because it's a completely different thing, but also people do rag on them???
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: bgmnts on April 05, 2020, 11:39:41 AM
What's different?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on April 05, 2020, 11:52:00 AM
I'm sorry I'm not going to answer you because Nosleep has already said and I don't believe you actually need this explained.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: bgmnts on April 05, 2020, 12:21:14 PM
Eh remake is a remake is a remake. Shouldnt get special treatment. Its all shite.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: NoSleep on April 05, 2020, 12:36:10 PM
Not all remakes are shite: I really like the remake of The Crazies.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: madhair60 on April 05, 2020, 01:00:10 PM
Eh remake is a remake is a remake.

*Extremely knows-things-you-don't-know smile*
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: madhair60 on April 05, 2020, 01:00:36 PM
Is it playable with Japanese audio and English subs?

Yes
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Johnny Textface on April 05, 2020, 02:57:30 PM
So is this full price even though its but a small part in the overall game?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: madhair60 on April 05, 2020, 07:35:51 PM
So is this full price even though its but a small part in the overall game?

lmao
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: peanutbutter on April 06, 2020, 12:11:24 PM
87 on metacritic after 60 reviews.

So it probably hits the level of good enough to get by on novelty.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on April 06, 2020, 12:20:44 PM
I don't know any explicit spoilers, but I can already tell from a couple of things in reviews they're setting up some massive changes in this aren't they?

Aerith resurrection confirmed.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on April 06, 2020, 02:49:01 PM
I like the two new characters, the wise-cracking walrus twins Eerbit and Surbit
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: gmoney on April 06, 2020, 03:51:11 PM
Can't believe they made Barret's daughter a Cactuar.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: bgmnts on April 06, 2020, 06:54:23 PM
I don't know any explicit spoilers, but I can already tell from a couple of things in reviews they're setting up some massive changes in this aren't they?

Aerith resurrection confirmed.

Cloud shot first.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cerys on April 07, 2020, 03:47:19 AM
I don't know any explicit spoilers, but I can already tell from a couple of things in reviews they're setting up some massive changes in this aren't they?

Aerith resurrection confirmed.

Yeah, but if you resurrect her then Meteor crashes into the planet and fucks everyone into oblivion.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: colacentral on April 07, 2020, 12:35:20 PM
Eh remake is a remake is a remake. Shouldnt get special treatment. Its all shite.

The "special editions" weren't remakes.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on April 09, 2020, 10:28:55 PM
https://twitter.com/kaimatten/status/1248361506170744832

Now this I would pay $500 for.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cerys on April 09, 2020, 10:34:05 PM
I just hope the combat is better than FFXV.  That's been driving me up the wall.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on April 10, 2020, 12:31:15 PM
A few hours in, enjoying it although I knew I was going to be annoyed by the early Sephiroth appearances, and they really do overdo it, but fine whatever, I can cope.

The NPC background dialogue is really weird... their dialogue all feels so unnatural... like you have the thing where Biggs and Wedge say they're going to talk up your reputation around town and then all of a sudden all the NPC's have this"Hey that must be that new merc!!!" dialogue as you pass by. It's serves it's purpose, but it feels very strange.

I don't think it's the localisation, it feels like the devs have seen Bethesda open world games and are doing their own version of that, but in their own weird amped up Japanese way. Strange comparison, but it makes me think of Pro Evolution Soccer, and it's uncanny weirdness. Like how'd you see a big banner in the crowd saying "Who Ate All the Pies" and it's funny because somehow they know that reference but don't understand it.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cloud on April 10, 2020, 02:24:01 PM
Guess we'll see how it goes when mine finally turns up, but I loved in the original that you thought the game was all about Shinra and it was only the equivalent of "towards the end of part 1 of the remake" that the twist came of... "actually Shinra doesn't matter, it's time we landed this Sephiroth bombshell"
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on April 10, 2020, 05:56:54 PM
This game is so horny, perfect for these self-isolating times.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on April 10, 2020, 06:05:24 PM
I mean, imagine being out of school, just starting puberty and having these characters to play around with right now. Goodness me.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: popcorn on April 10, 2020, 06:13:45 PM
That's the first comment that's made me want to look up footage of this game.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cerys on April 11, 2020, 01:36:31 AM
I have to wait.  I can do this.  I can wait.  Yes.




Nnngh
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: bgmnts on April 11, 2020, 01:43:18 AM
Just me not falling for it? Boo.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on April 11, 2020, 01:52:59 AM
I watched three seconds of Tifa speaking and decided I'm never playing this or even watching a stream like I originally planned.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Golden E. Pump on April 11, 2020, 02:47:20 AM
This is so breath-takingly beautiful. I think I'm going to struggle to go back to the original ever again. My only criticism of it is that the Sephiroth moments do ruin his reveal a little - but we all know Sephiroth already so keeping the initial surprise would not have the same effect anyway. Other than that all the new stuff seems perfectly in keeping with the tone and telling of the story. Sure, some of the dialogue feels a little clunky - but it was far worse in the original and this matches the goofy nature of the original game, especially when it comes to characters like Barret and Wedge.

I've just got to Aerith's house and already this may be my favourite game of all time. It's so fun, and has this magical perfect balance between nostalgia and being a modern AAA title. And to think, this is the 'clunky' first part. Part 2 is going to be even better.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cerys on April 11, 2020, 02:49:52 AM
I ... can ... wait.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on April 12, 2020, 01:05:40 AM
Just reached Wall Market. (Over 16 hours in) It's got problems but I'm utterly absorbed by this. Still doesn't feel real, just playing the things is such a weird dreamlike experience
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on April 13, 2020, 12:37:21 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYwjg2r3Y_Q

LMAO, absolutely not.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on April 13, 2020, 12:38:19 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sD2slbOz0Xk

Nope.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on April 13, 2020, 12:40:25 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxk8B7dKBzU

Haha, nope.

See, this is what I knew it would be. Just this constant unnecessary rumbling of orchestration underneath everything, making it sound like a big formless blob of production.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on April 13, 2020, 01:03:52 AM
Things like Let The Battles Begin and The Airbuster are done really well in the remake, because they're supposed to sound guitary and orchestrated. Most of the rest is a pretty bland bollocks interpretation of it all, IMO.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cloud on April 13, 2020, 03:00:19 AM
Ah shut up ya miserable git :D

It's pretty much everything I'd hoped so far (except for length - the fact it ends about 1/30th of the way through the original game is... disappointing, and if it's one part per 3-5 years we could be playing this the rest of our lives).  The people are exactly as I visualised them and pretty much as I heard them.  The areas are mostly as I visualised them except for being able to actually see the "pizza" and outside of it, which all makes perfect sense. 

The expansions and additions are mostly natural, though I'm not sure about the dementors.  I'm fine with throwing Sephiroth in - yes it loses that MASSIVE PLOT TWIST for new players where you think it's all about Shinra and all of a sudden you have someone else to care about who you've never heard of until that big moment, but thinking back to playing it for the first time (or thereafter come to that) did we ever gain anything from wondering who the voices were when Cloud spazzes out anyway?  All I got from it was confusion and eventual satisfaction through the lore passed down from that ultimania guide or whatever.

It gives you much more chance to bond with Biggs, Wedge and Jessie which makes your sudden affection for them in the original game make more sense.

Jessie's flirting went from subtle to OUTRAGEOUS, but whatever.

I LOVE that the mechanics with materia are almost identical but with weapon growth thrown in (ehh fair enough).  The materia system is probably my favourite in the entire FF series, so I'm glad they kept it so similar.  Battles in normal mode (only one I've tried so far) are a good mix, I'm spending plenty of time strategising through boss and harder battles but you can also hack and slash your way through the basic crap.

Just landed in the church.  I'm like 20 hours in.  That's.... nuts.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on April 13, 2020, 03:15:29 AM
Ah shut up ya miserable git :D
No not at all. Not even entertaining that as a joke.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cloud on April 13, 2020, 04:15:04 AM
Well then seriously stop being such a downer miserable fucker
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on April 13, 2020, 04:36:16 AM
You're right, the gaming forum should only accommodate the remedial bollocks you've posted that is the exactly the same as a million other reviews.

Fuck off you absolute dead-end. You don't tell anybody that they're not allowed to be negative about something. Entitled prick.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cloud on April 13, 2020, 04:43:59 AM
Just maybe be less of a cunt
You're more annoying than Roache and that's saying something
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on April 13, 2020, 04:47:31 AM
You're not allowed to tell people not to be negative about something just because you like it. If you need further help I'll order the cards for you that help you learn appropriate human interactions.

I was actually positive about some of the tracks you big baby.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cloud on April 13, 2020, 05:02:21 AM
Have you tried eating about a thousand dicks? That would be more interesting than your current input bro and you might even give Jessie something to live up to
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cerys on April 13, 2020, 05:02:41 AM
Play nice, you two, or Auntie Cerys will smack.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on April 13, 2020, 05:05:42 AM
ah fuck him I'll just overrule him by being naturally superior
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on April 13, 2020, 09:28:25 AM
More mixed feelings on this currently - some of the new additions like that mission for Jessie and some of the sidequests, while not brilliantly written add depth to the world and characters so I can see the value in it. In other things though, it just makes them longer. You seem to spend hours running around walkways to get to the Sector 5 reactor - and then a long time after having set the bomb to get to the Air buster fight.

After the Don Corneo encounter, the sewer is extended and the train graveyard is massively extended with a bit of a weird ghost plot. There's little moments of character interaction along the way that are nice, but mostly it's just a case of everything in it takes a lot longer because there's more fights.

I think I'm a bit shit at the game because every boss fight seems to be taking ages.  There was a boss fight that killed me when he was really low on health and it had taken ages to get there, so I set it down to easy on the 2nd time. It's not even that the fights are that hard, just massively drawn out as you slowly chip away at their health bars. The system means it's more reliant on exploiting their weaknesses... which means you're at a huge advantage if you just say - equip everyone with bolt magic for a fight beforehand, but you're not going to know that until you get into the fight. Part of the problem is you've got so much more materia to play around with, but not really the slots to equip them.

It also just seems very difficult to recover when someone dies because if someone's dead and someone's low on health then you can't just rely on your atb bar filling (well it does but very very slowly) you need to do some attacks to fill it up which is the last thing you should be doing when low on health and need to recover. I feel like dodging attacks should be more viable, but most things seems to have ridiculous tracking. Maybe that's just me not being able to get my head around the hybrid system.

Also I know it's pretty much standard in JRPG's but having characters repeatedly shout out stupid anime battle phrases get's infuriating. Began to hate Aerith and changed her setup because of the way she'd repeatedly shout out "Feeling Chilly?!" every time she uses blizzard. Obviously there's other annoying variants though.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: bgmnts on April 13, 2020, 11:17:35 AM
They couldn't talk in the original
.

Original 1
Remake 0
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on April 13, 2020, 12:39:49 PM
The fight with Reno on the pillar was fun though, and the handling of the plate crashing down, has been good as you're seeing more of the impact it's had on the world.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cloud on April 13, 2020, 01:33:03 PM
More mixed feelings on this currently - some of the new additions like that mission for Jessie and some of the sidequests, while not brilliantly written add depth to the world and characters so I can see the value in it. In other things though, it just makes them longer. You seem to spend hours running around walkways to get to the Sector 5 reactor - and then a long time after having set the bomb to get to the Air buster fight.

Yeah got to admit the sector 5 reactor bit was painfully tedious. Especially if like me you kept trying to find the secrets and then giving up and finding you could get them in a fairly signposted way towards the end of the section.

Or the bit on the railway tracks - I had a vague memory from the original (played it many times but not recently) of getting a secret materia by running the wrong way.  Not this time - eventually you get yelled at and turned around except for this one time when Barret lets you run for miles and miles and eventually you do a big circle and end up back where you were before you went the wrong way. This so far is a game that rarely rewards you for diversions!
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: tourism on April 13, 2020, 02:00:01 PM
you might even give Jessie something to live up to

hey now
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Pseudopath on April 13, 2020, 08:52:37 PM
Just been watching some streams of this on YouTube. They've turned it into a fucking soap opera.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Consignia on April 13, 2020, 09:08:38 PM
Just been watching some streams of this on YouTube. They've turned it into a fucking soap opera.

I watched the ending, as I didn't care for the gameplay in the demo so wasn't really all that interested in playing it. I don't really mind what they do as although the original was and still is one of my favourite games and whatever this is doesn't change that. It's also why I have a passing interest in it despite it not appealing any point of the PR, and over a decade of the Compilation nonsense. However they've done to story (although I believe it's only towards the end) is exactly what I don't want.

I may get it at some point, if it ends up at bargain bin prices. But my interest in it has well been and truly exhausted.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on April 13, 2020, 10:46:32 PM
Just been watching some streams of this on YouTube. They've turned it into a fucking soap opera.
Careful mate we're not allowed that kind of talk around here
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cloud on April 13, 2020, 11:07:20 PM
I mean, I'd find a thread where people are trying to share their enjoyment of something and shit it up with post after post bitching about it and telling everyone why they shouldn't like it because it's "shit for cunts" but then finding a thread where anyone actually enjoys anything in this forum of cynical whinging bastards is like trying to find a braincell at a football match.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: chveik on April 13, 2020, 11:08:53 PM
actually the atmosphere in the football thread can be quite positive at times
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on April 13, 2020, 11:17:03 PM
I mean, I'd find a thread where people are trying to share their enjoyment of something and shit it up with post after post bitching about it and telling everyone why they shouldn't like it because it's "shit for cunts" but then finding a thread where anyone actually enjoys anything in this forum of cynical whinging bastards is like trying to find a braincell at a football match.
What you actually did was completely shit the thread up by not reading the situation properly and realising that people are really passionate about games and a huge part of that love is highlighting the good and bad things.

This thread is obviously not just "a thread where people are trying to share their enjoyment of something". That's a specialist thing. Go create that thread, put "positivity only please" in the title and then watch it die because it's boring.

You can't read the room and you're ruining this entire subforum because of it.

Honestly genuinely mad online about something for once. I don't get to talk about FF7 remake's music because of your entitlement.

Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Urinal Cake on April 13, 2020, 11:20:49 PM
After watching a few playthroughs, I'm going to wait for it to hit the discount bin. There are a lot of positives but it really should be seen as it's own thing.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: popcorn on April 13, 2020, 11:21:58 PM
Fucken hell Dewt, chill out man. Of all the dumping people take on each other in this subforum yours was pretty light I think, it even had a cheery emoji. I think we're possibly all going to have get a bit better at putting up with other people in this technoforum, myself included.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on April 13, 2020, 11:22:34 PM
It's an ongoing thing, popcorn. Not isolated to this thread. Cloud genuinely thinks his role here is going to involve shutting down people for not saying what he wants to hear.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on April 13, 2020, 11:28:09 PM
I think just linking to the songs and saying "nope" isn't great posting content though tbh.

Not sure I  quite get the soap opera comment.

Was hoping to have a thread full of people who were playing it, not just listening to bits of the soundtrack or watching streams.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on April 13, 2020, 11:31:59 PM
I think just linking to the songs and saying "nope" isn't great posting content though tbh.
Like there wasn't any content around that you disingenuous tit. Absolutely fuck off you Bad Influence "boys gave it a 4 and the girls also gave it a 4" dopes.

This is why people don't post here

Was hoping to have a thread full of people who were playing it, not just listening to bits of the soundtrack or watching streams.

THEN CREATE A THREAD WITH THOSE SPECIFIC, SPECIALIST CONDITIONS. It is actually fine and welcome and good to discuss FF7's music. That is a huge part of it. It doesn't require you policing the thread you can just not engage with it
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on April 13, 2020, 11:38:07 PM
Absolutely fuck off you Bad Influence "boys gave it a 4 and the girls also gave it a 4" dopes.


I don't know what that means, I'm sorry.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cloud on April 13, 2020, 11:38:14 PM
It's an ongoing thing, popcorn. Not isolated to this thread. Cloud genuinely thinks his role here is going to involve shutting down people for not saying what he wants to hear.

Protip: I'm not a moderator.  Me saying in a relatively light-hearted but admittedly exasperated manner that you should stop spamming the thread with whinging isn't censorship.  You can actually say what you want, just as I have the right to voice irritation at it.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Sin Agog on April 13, 2020, 11:40:21 PM
Honestly genuinely mad online about something for once. I don't get to talk about FF7 remake's music because of your entitlement.

The remake of the Main Menu theme is OK, but it's always been a void-fillingly simple up-and-down the scale affair that's hard to mess up.  Everything else from the demo sounded like a big ol' sludgy over-orchestrated unmemorable mess.  They completely Dr. Who'd what I'd heard by adding all these stodgy counter-melodies that drowned out the main hooks.  Sometimes a song only needs one or two instruments to be perfect.  It feels to me like Square's philosophy was adding more because they have the budget for it, not because it needs it, and this applies to the entire game and not just the music.  Felt no magic whatsoever from that demo so doubt I'll be playing this any time soon.  Not that I can afford it anyway.  I don't think I have too many preconceptions. You just know magic when you see it, and I didn't.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on April 13, 2020, 11:44:19 PM
Protip: I'm not a moderator.  Me saying in a relatively light-hearted but admittedly exasperated manner that you should stop spamming the thread with whinging isn't censorship.  You can actually say what you want, just as I have the right to voice irritation at it.
It's a conversation killer to have you neg every discussion that has any lows in it.

You're not a moderator, so stop doing anything that looks like moderating, ever again. People want to talk about the highs and lows of games. It's nice to have that outlet when there's fuck all else available to do socially at the moment. You characterising it as mindless negativity is rude, because it's so fucking wrong.

The remake of the Main Menu theme is OK, but it's always been a void-fillingly simple up-and-down the scale affair that's hard to mess up.  Everything else from the demo sounded like a big ol' sludgy over-orchestrated unmemorable mess.  They completely Dr. Who'd what I'd heard by adding all these stodgy counter-melodies that drowned out the main hooks.  Sometimes a song only needs one or two instruments to be perfect.  It feels to me like Square's philosophy was adding more because they have the budget for it, not because it needs it, and this applies to the entire game and not just the music.  Felt no magic whatsoever from that demo so doubt I'll be playing this any time soon.  Not that I can afford it anyway.  I don't think I have too many preconceptions. You just know magic when you see it, and I didn't.
It's the old limitations enabling creativity/"Ren and Stimpy was crap when they were allowed to do an adult version" kind of thing again, I guess. I would really like a remake of the soundtrack that is faithful to the original instruments but with better dynamic range and mastering.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on April 13, 2020, 11:48:42 PM
Look I wasn't trying to police the thread, obviously you can discuss it how you want. I'm sorry, I can see how it came across that way.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cloud on April 13, 2020, 11:54:34 PM

You're not a moderator, so stop doing anything that looks like moderating, ever again.

I love the irony of thinking you can tell me what to do here!  Pot, kettle etc...

Have you considered the ignore script if my comments trigger you that much?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on April 13, 2020, 11:55:59 PM
Yeah you can't moderate here that's not controversial
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cerys on April 14, 2020, 12:11:13 AM
Or the bit on the railway tracks - I had a vague memory from the original (played it many times but not recently) of getting a secret materia by running the wrong way.

Only when you return to Midgar later in the game.  If you do it when you're first there you find a neverending series of grunts that emerges from a doorway.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cloud on April 14, 2020, 12:24:04 AM
Only when you return to Midgar later in the game.  If you do it when you're first there you find a neverending series of grunts that emerges from a doorway.

Ah yeah when you parachute in

W-Item so that you can cheat for all the greens for the golden chocobo IIRC
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cerys on April 14, 2020, 12:30:01 AM
I think so - but if I use the W-Item cheat it's usually so I can amass elixirs to feed to the Magic Pots, the AP-bestowing little scamps.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cloud on April 14, 2020, 12:53:58 AM
Ah I look forward to seeing if the magic pots are the same in erm.... (Let's see, Midgar is about 1/20th of the original game, Wutai will probably be a 3 parter itself with its increased significance in the remake, each one about 3-5 years to make so...) About 60-100 years :D
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Obel on April 14, 2020, 08:31:35 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sD2slbOz0Xk

Nope.

Sorry buddy, you're wrong on this one. The only thing they got wrong about it was putting the voices in there, otherwise it's basically a perfect adaption of what was obviously a dub tune in the first place. I'm actually astonished they got it so right, it's pretty much what I would have imagined the track would have sounded like if the technology was there originally. Not being used at Wall Market though? Absolute shocker.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on April 14, 2020, 08:33:21 AM
It would have been perfect if it had West End Girls (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3j2NYZ8FKs) production.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cerys on April 14, 2020, 10:10:21 AM
That's pretty damn beautiful.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: madhair60 on April 14, 2020, 11:45:04 AM
I Think The Remake Is Good Do You All Reember Finl Fantasy 7, THAT was Good Too, And This Is a Remake Of That. I Like Gol Nattak and Vincent and I Like Don Corneto. I Like Proud Clod I Like Sephortoth, I Like Remembering It. I Don't Think THE remake Can Be As. Good As My Memories Of Final Fantasy Seven But They Did A Best A Job THEY could
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cloud on April 14, 2020, 11:52:00 PM
If there's a thirst for criticism I have one: Cloud in sector 5 is forced to be a greedy, heartless, money grabbing dick.  I know it's canon in the original that he is one right at the beginning, but by the time Aerith comes along I never thought he was that bad. I'd rather have the option whether or not tell some weak grieving old man to run along and hand something back to some kids himself if he doesn't cough up 5000 Gil, rather than be forced to do just that.  Also it's a bit out of place as indeed he's otherwise not too bad by the
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cloud on April 15, 2020, 03:18:50 PM
Looks like others picked up on that as well but supposedly missed some "tough love" subtext... http://www.pushsquare.com/news/2020/04/soapbox_final_fantasy_vii_remakes_cloud_goes_from_hero_to_zero_in_a_single_side_quest
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: C_Larence on April 15, 2020, 07:06:45 PM
Is Iscar Matthias in this or will that be the second part?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on April 15, 2020, 10:22:35 PM
When this is good it's good, when it's bad it's bad. That's my opinion.

Just got to Red XIII and I'm so annoyed it's taken so long to get to him, that you can't control him and that the game's going to be over soon just as it gets interesting.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on April 16, 2020, 09:19:55 PM
Okay I just finished it and

HAHAHAHAHA What? Why? Absolutely astonishing that they've let Tetsuya Nomura do this. I'm actually kind of open to the concept but I don't trust them to handle this
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on April 16, 2020, 11:14:18 PM
Looking up that spoiler I'm kinda into it. It's a bit meta, but it's a sensible and interesting enough way to go.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cloud on April 16, 2020, 11:26:30 PM
Not looking at any spoilers yet. Only just got to Wall Market! I was hoping for a moment like "what the hell? We're fighting a house?!" but I suppose including that 'monster' would have been a bit of a stretch

I'm finding it interesting that there are bits of foreshadowing for you know what.  There were always flashbacks, but I've never known Cloud or Sephiroth to be capable of seeing the future.  Rather odd...
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Jim Bob on April 17, 2020, 01:46:22 AM
I think that seen and heard enough of this remake to know that's it's not for me.  I'm glad that other people seem to be enjoying it but personally speaking, everything about it rubs me up the wrong way.  I fundamentally disagree with almost every creative choice that the developers have made; the graphical direction, the orchestral soundtrack, the action focused gameplay; the style-over-substance cutscenes (which bring to mind Advent Children for me); the episodic nature of the release; that ending.  All of it bothers me.  I'll just stick to the original, I reckon.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on April 17, 2020, 11:33:55 AM
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Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: PlanktonSideburns on April 18, 2020, 11:43:48 AM
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Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cloud on April 19, 2020, 12:01:58 AM
I like how the Wall Market "stuff" was handled and stayed mostly faithful to the original, with the odd caveat

Nothing that would surprise anyone but putting in spoilers just in case people prefer going in blind to what the remake does and doesn't have:
I knew they wouldn't be able to resist writing out the gay bath with Mukki and co. Mixed feelings (and I say that as a queer, or half of one) - I was fine with the "lolgay" and even looking forward to that scene.  However I also know time has moved on, the lolgay is super dated and problematic for many, yada yada and yeah... The way they modernised it was well done with quite a nice message about gender just after Ms. cloud is revealed

In other stuff - disappointed no one in the clothes shop shouted "don't push! Hooligan!" At me - but glad the broken item shop was still there, and most of the original sidequests. Don Corneos place was perfect also.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on April 19, 2020, 01:13:23 AM
I think that "straight person being uncomfortable with a gay situation" can be an okay thing, sometimes. Some people will definitely complain but it is inherently funny and at the expense of the dumb straighto, not the gaybums.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Timothy on April 19, 2020, 08:47:04 AM
Just arrived at Chapter 11. Never played the original. So far it's alright. Cutscenes are beautiful, dialogue is wonderful and sometimes hilarious, soundtrack is great and the fighting system is fun. The subquests are below par (feel really outdated) and the surroundings (with an exception here and there) are quite dull and uninspired. The game is a bit too linear for my taste. I don't like the fact that Cloud is mean to everyone, even after a nice subquest. Give me some dialogue choice Square Enix!

Enjoying it but (apart from the graphics) it indeed feels like an RPG from years ago.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Abnormal Palm on April 20, 2020, 11:18:48 PM
I've done really well to avoid any discussion of this and I've just finished it, completely unspoilt. In the same spirit, I offer my thoughts with no spoilers.

I had almost no expectations for this. I just fancied seeing a current gen recreation of familiar locations with some remixed classic tunes. I thought it would probably be a bit shit, to be honest. Whatever their approach, I didn't expect it to affect my opinion of the original game one jot, and sure enough it hasn't.

What it has done is actually made me really excited to see what they do next. No spoilers and I don't encourage any plot discussion out of respect for people here, but I genuinely can't wait to see what they have in store, and I am going to squeeze every last drop out of this in the meantime. For those who played the original and who were blown away by what happens halfway through disc one, they have somehow managed to recapture that same excitement of the unknown. It has its faults for sure, there's considerable padding in a couple of chapters which don't really merit the extension, and combat visibility can be chaotic at times, but so so much of this far surpassed my expectations not only of this remake but of AAA gaming full stop.

Some of the tunes have become a bit of bland bombast but there are loads where they have absolutely knocked it out of the park. Oppressed People and Below The Rotting Pizza are fantastic, especially in context. The jazzy/remixed jukebox versions are a totally unexpected bonus and they are almost all superb. On Our Way, in particular, is perfect in this style. It's a very loving and reverent production but one also unafraid of making creative decisions which will result in mass suicide. I admire their bravery and I think they've massively pulled it off.

Graphically, while there is some comically dodgy texture/LoD stuff at times, much of it is as stunning as the original was back in the day. I can't remember the last game where I spent so long marvelling at the graphics. Some scenes and set pieces were literally jaw dropping. I'm so glad I treated myself to an OLED telly just before lockdown kicked in. The lighting effects in particular are frankly dazzling. If there's a PS5 version, I'll be all over it at full price.

FF7R, in summary: Some crap bits, loads and loads of amazing stuff and I'm unexpectedly fascinated to see where they take it.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Abnormal Palm on April 20, 2020, 11:30:35 PM
Also, Tifa, Jessie and Aerith are so fit in this, I really hope they release some properly dodgy DLC costumes and I can really get my wank onnnnnnn.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: bgmnts on April 20, 2020, 11:31:30 PM
Quite happy that Boston Crab likes it.

Not happy that he hasn't used his patented rating system.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Abnormal Palm on April 20, 2020, 11:39:47 PM
My apologies, I was too busy shoving this up my arse.

(https://static.mercdn.net/item/detail/orig/photos/m10026004806_1.jpg?1583255784)

Final rating is a definitive: S+/ S++ / S

Yes, even the shit munchers will rejoice.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cloud on April 21, 2020, 12:54:07 AM
Good to hear you mostly enjoyed it AP, and your take is about the same as mine so far I think.  I just got through what original Corneo would've called the "ping!" and the "kerblam!", and appreciated the depth they added with Aerith in the meantime which had me tearing up at times. I like it when they stir your emotions, that's how it should be.

I agree some of the music is great (under the rotting pizza, various battle remixes etc) and some not so great (not keen on the Walmart music)
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Abnormal Palm on April 21, 2020, 07:14:41 AM
I'll be really interested in your thoughts once you're done with it. I'll start a spoiler topic at some point because there are so many things to discuss, as well as so many fantastic little touches in there I wouldn't want to spoil in this thread.

I was quite balanced in my take on it up there, simply because I don't want to mention all of the things I thought were unbelievably brilliant. As I say, there are some things that I personally consider flaws but the many many highlights are some of my favourite moments of this generation.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Timothy on April 21, 2020, 07:19:16 AM
I just had some interactions with trains and moved on from that. Gonna play some more today.

The fighting system is great, the cutscenes are beautiful and the story is great so far but everything else (environments, quests, subquests) feels quite outdated. There is a bit too much filler imo.
I've never played the original FF7 so maybe that's a reason why it hasn't clicked so far.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Abnormal Palm on April 21, 2020, 07:23:21 AM
You edited your post to remove 'wasted opportunity', so I've removed my question about what that means to someone who hasn't played the original game.

Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Timothy on April 21, 2020, 07:24:50 AM
The fighting system is awesome. I was a bit disappointed that it wouldn't be turn based but the flow is amazing.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Abnormal Palm on April 21, 2020, 07:52:25 AM
Just to address a couple of the points you touched upon.

Without that experience of the original, many of the major story beats here will mean very little which is a shame for you, but no way around that. I agree that there is a fair amount of padding with side quests but I also appreciate how many of them are interlinked so that progress with one often gets you progress with another. While there are too many, they're handled quite elegantly. They're also all completely optional, there almost entirely for world building and don't hinder your progress if you don't want to do them. Again, I think they've handled that side of things with an excellent touch.

I would also say that anything but a linear approach would be daft here. I appreciate what they've done to allow some exploration and backtracking, but anything more would be silly and simply a concession to modern tastes. This section of the original was basically a 6-8 hour long corridor before the game truly opened up. Likewise, dialogue choices wouldn't make any sense or add anything. You're not telling the story. Again, stuff happens to reinforce this point even further.

I do have some sympathy for the traditionalists who basically wanted a checkerboard 4K shot-for-shot remake with a midi soundtrack. This is so much more daring and exciting than that, and it doesn't change or supercede the brilliance of the original in the slightest.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on April 21, 2020, 08:02:51 AM
You're very close to getting my "MIDI doesn't have a sound, it's analogous to the dots on a player piano score" rant. The music in the remake probably involved MIDI too. What you're complaining about is the synth used to play it back, and the limitations inherent in storing the final soundtrack as instructions for that primitive synth versus recording a mastered and processed output track (i.e. playback from a CD).


I do have some sympathy for the traditionalists who basically wanted a checkerboard 4K shot-for-shot remake with a midi soundtrack. This is so much more daring and exciting than that, and it doesn't change or supercede the brilliance of the original in the slightest.
You've got this wrong. I don't think anybody is asking for an exact remake. They are saying "the new one won't hit the notes I'm interested in so I'll give it a miss". It would be stupid to have a remake that's identical to the source material.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Abnormal Palm on April 21, 2020, 09:38:17 AM
What you're complaining about...

I'm not complaining about anything...Spare me the recycled lecture about midi.

And that's the end of that.

You've got this wrong. I don't think anybody is asking for an exact remake. They are saying "the new one won't hit the notes I'm interested in so I'll give it a miss". It would be stupid to have a remake that's identical to the source material.

There are plenty of people out there who wanted a more direct remake than this. There's a lot of discussion about that, in fact, from people who aren't happy about Square's interpretation of a 'remake'. I commend their bravery knowing the potential fallout. As I said, it's very reverent in many ways, a deep love letter to the characters and world and music, but it's also subversive and playful and quite daring.

If you think I was referring to you or anyone in this thread, you're wrong. To be frank, I don't think there's much point discussing the game with anyone who hasn't played it. You're approaching this with a wishlist that you've decided the game can't satisfy before playing it. That's absolutely fine, you've saved yourself sixty dollars and we're at a discursive dead-end. I have no issue with that at all.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Timothy on April 21, 2020, 09:55:06 AM
Just to address a couple of the points you touched upon.

Without that experience of the original, many of the major story beats here will mean very little which is a shame for you, but no way around that. I agree that there is a fair amount of padding with side quests but I also appreciate how many of them are interlinked so that progress with one often gets you progress with another. While there are too many, they're handled quite elegantly. They're also all completely optional, there almost entirely for world building and don't hinder your progress if you don't want to do them. Again, I think they've handled that side of things with an excellent touch.

I would also say that anything but a linear approach would be daft here. I appreciate what they've done to allow some exploration and backtracking, but anything more would be silly and simply a concession to modern tastes. This section of the original was basically a 6-8 hour long corridor before the game truly opened up. Likewise, dialogue choices wouldn't make any sense or add anything. You're not telling the story. Again, stuff happens to reinforce this point even further.

I do have some sympathy for the traditionalists who basically wanted a checkerboard 4K shot-for-shot remake with a midi soundtrack. This is so much more daring and exciting than that, and it doesn't change or supercede the brilliance of the original in the slightest.

There isn't only padding in sidequests. Most of the chapters feel like endless filler. It reminds me of Ni No Kuni 2 in which you also have to keep running from a to b and a again just because the developers wanted to stretch the gametime. Some of the chapters are just endless running around in samey corridors fighting the same monsters. It's boring.

I also disagree that the subquests are handled eleganty.

An example:

- Early on someone (let's call her person a) asks you to do something. You do it, you report back, you get in a spat, person a gets upset and is pissed off at you. You then run to another marker, but during the time you walk to the marker, all the npc's are talking about how happy person a is that you're in town. That doesn't make sense.

- Early on someone asks you to get rid of monsters. You do so. The next subquest another person asks you to go to the exact same location to retrieve something. You go back to that location, all the monsters respawned while the person that gave you subquest a is still happy you got rid of the monsters.

It feels so incredibly outdated and constantly removes the suspension of disbelieve. That annoys me. That's what I meant with outdated: They didn't remake the game so that it's more like 2020, they transferred an old game into 2020. They could have done better imo.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Abnormal Palm on April 21, 2020, 10:04:33 AM
I'm laughing at how you really enjoy the story but think most chapters are filler, and love the combat but dislike the repetition of fights and wanted turn-based.

Having played Persona 5, Tokyo Mirage Sessions and DQXI in recent times, and really enjoyed them, I'm fascinated by what you think a contemporary JRPG quest system might be compared to this outdated FF7R model.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Timothy on April 21, 2020, 10:15:48 AM
I'm laughing at how you really enjoy the story but think most chapters are filler, and love the combat but dislike the repetition of fights and wanted turn-based.

Having played Persona 5, Tokyo Mirage Sessions and DQXI in recent times, and really enjoyed them, I'm fascinated by what you think a contemporary JRPG quest system might be compared to this outdated FF7R model.

It's kinda hard to describe what I mean (especially since English isn't my native language) but it's a bit like this:

- A few chapters are gorgeous. Amazing environments. The story progresses. I enjoy what I'm doing.
- Most chapters are unnecessary. Boring environments. Story doesn't progress. Endless running in samey environments doing the same thing over and over again without any reason to do so. It feels like I'm playing a PS2 era game instead of a remake.

Every quest, subquest or noth, in both Persona and Dragon Quest had meaning. A little story behind them. A reason to make progress. It felt like you were actively part of the world, that you actively helped people and made the world a bit better. There was a sense of accomplishment. That's not happening in FF7 Remake. If I go to a factory to kill monsters and help make the factory safe again for someone and the next quests makes you go into the exact same factory and all the enemies respawned it totally kills the game for me.

And yes. I really enjoy the story. It's well written and I'm curious to see what comes next. But there is too much endless padding. Too much corridors that never seem to end, where stuff happens that have no point, that don't progress the story and that only seem to be there to fill time. It's like a three hour movie that would have been great if it had been 1,5 because they didn't need more time or a tv show with lots of filler episodes. The ''look a door, we need a key, where is the key, the key is there, etc etc'' crap. Get to the point or give me a reason to feel like what I'm doing isn't useless filler.

In a world where games like the Witcher and Persona exist and there are lots of possibilities for game developers to immerse players into their worlds it's a terrible shame that FF7 still feels so very outdated. It lacks a sense of achievement.

What also's annoying is that the game has no HDR brightness option. Everything is so damn dark.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on April 21, 2020, 10:23:43 AM
If you think I was referring to you or anyone in this thread, you're wrong. To be frank, I don't think there's much point discussing the game with anyone who hasn't played it.
Okay, but can you please just exit the conversations that you don't enjoy instead of trashing it for people who aren't so single-minded that they can conceive of the idea of commenting on media that they have directly seen, thanks. For your own sake really, because you're going to have to get used to it.

You're approaching this with a wishlist that you've decided the game can't satisfy before playing it.
I thought you weren't referring to me also please quote this wishlist because it seems to have got lost between me and the world of imaginary bollocks.

To some people this game is a thing that means nothing to them if it doesn't move them with its atmosphere. Let people talk about the game's presentation. If you don't understand then just be quiet for a bit.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cloud on April 21, 2020, 10:57:30 AM
I was thinking last night what it'd be like for newcomers. Part of the charm of the original is all the mystery, surprises and sense of "WTF is even going on?!" which is largely taken away in the remake with clearer characterisation of the Turks, a certain Shinra manager, less ambiguity during certain events etc. It's more "spelled out" now and more things are telegraphed (particularly Sephiroth, who, if staying faithful to the original would be nothing more than a mysterious voice during flashbacks until what would be the near end of this game). But maybe that's just my nostalgia seeing the incoherence of the original story as somehow a good thing.  Newcomers miss out on a few unexpected plot twists if they're paying any attention as well as the years of theorising, but they would anyway as the lore has already been fleshed out since.  Also, maybe I only think they'd spot the foreshadowing bits because I know what happens and it's more obvious to me. 

Regarding the distaste people have for "linear corridor" gaming, the original was like this in Midgar as well.  It wasn't like you could just wander off to sector 3.  So you don't lose anything.
The big challenge will be to see if they can pull off an open world in what I expect would be part 3, like the original. Somehow I doubt it, I think they'll go for a more modern "select from a menu" method of travel with the odd "plains" zone for a fake sense of open worldness like X - XII or a sort of compromise open-ish world like XV.  But Type-0 had the classic open world style so who knows.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on April 21, 2020, 11:04:43 AM
I was thinking last night what it'd be like for newcomers. Part of the charm of the original is all the mystery, surprises and sense of "WTF is even going on?!" which is largely taken away in the remake with clearer characterisation of the Turks, a certain Shinra manager, less ambiguity during certain events etc. It's more "spelled out" now and more things are telegraphed (particularly Sephiroth, who, if staying faithful to the original would be nothing more than a mysterious voice during flashbacks until what would be the near end of this game). But maybe that's just my nostalgia seeing the incoherence of the original story as somehow a good thing.
When I replayed a better-translated version of the PSX game I did miss being puzzled by the original, terrible translation.

I'm learning Japanese, so my next FF7 experience is going to be playing the original, in Japanese. I'm even purposely avoiding that video series where some (pompous) Kotaku guy translates the series for us.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Abnormal Palm on April 21, 2020, 11:10:01 AM
Dewt

I've been perfectly polite with you, so take a breath.

I wasn't referring to you in my original post but since you took it as such, I explained that I understood that your particular concerns weren't what I was referring to - not least because I had no idea what they might be and gave them no consideration whatsoever. Again, if you can't understand that 'midi' is a shortcut or that 'wishlist' is a shortcut for 'the notes you're interested in', there's barely any point. I never knew that you were so literal. It's like driving over speed bumps.

I'm not 'trashing' any discussion at all. To be straightforward, I barely read any discussion in the thread because I wanted to avoid spoilers and when I did have a look, it was the usual noose crew. I offered my thoughts on the game and my sympathies to people who wanted a straighter take on FF7 - of which there are many elsewhere. You steamed in, missing the point I was making, affronted, to tell me that ACTUALLY what you're disappointed about is some stuff I have no idea about.

...

So, finally, the point that you want to make is that the atmosphere of the game doesn't move you because of the presentation. Understood. I'll happily avoid that chat other than to say that if you play the game, you will have a more detailed feel for the atmosphere than watching clips of someone else play it, but please do continue the discussion with whatever is available.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on April 21, 2020, 11:16:31 AM
It's about presentation. The mistake you're making is thinking that people are trying to take samples of the game to judge the whole. That's not the case - many of us don't care about the whole.

This is a thing, and it's valid! There are communities that talk about the presentation aspects of F1 racing and other sports, they don't give a shit about the actual action. Now those people are fucking weird and should be shunned, but the thing I (and others) am doing here is not and is good. Never played Vib Ribbon and probably never will, but I own a copy and could talk about aspects of it for ten minutes straight.

It's not all about the narrative, and isolating components of the game and comparing it is genuine engagement.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Abnormal Palm on April 21, 2020, 12:00:06 PM
You're very keen for me to be 'mistaken' for some reason, although you repeatedly misrepresent what I am saying to reach that point. You linked presentation and atmosphere and I said that if you played it yourself, you would have a more detailed feel for the atmosphere. For someone so literal when it comes to wilfully jumping to the wrong conclusions, you're very keen to move the goalposts of what you really mean to prove a point that I do not care about at all.

Let me be definitive for you: If you want to talk about your limited knowledge and experience of the presentation and extrapolate anything you like, please carry on - or even start - because I genuinely do not care how you spend your time, nor what your opinion is of this game or its presentation. You're debating the menu while I've finished the meal. Enjoy.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Timothy on April 21, 2020, 12:06:29 PM
Some of the areas have some amazing atmosphere (you know which ones I'm talking about) but to be fair: Most of them don't.

The game is too dark (literally, seems there's an HDR bug) and most of the areas consist mostly of corridors with grey walls. Unless this changes in the last few chapters I get what Dewt is saying.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on April 21, 2020, 12:11:13 PM
You're very keen for me to be 'mistaken' for some reason, although you repeatedly misrepresent what I am saying to reach that point. You linked presentation and atmosphere and I said that if you played it yourself, you would have a more detailed feel for the atmosphere. For someone so literal when it comes to wilfully jumping to the wrong conclusions, you're very keen to move the goalposts of what you really mean to prove a point that I do not care about at all.

Let me be definitive for you: If you want to talk about your limited knowledge and experience of the presentation and extrapolate anything you like, please carry on - or even start - because I genuinely do not care how you spend your time, nor what your opinion is of this game or its presentation. You're debating the menu while I've finished the meal. Enjoy.
Didn't read past the first sentence, just stop being a cunt when the conversation isn't your conversation. You are desperate to be the person who gets it better than everybody else. Stop. Doesn't work outside of your own head.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cloud on April 21, 2020, 12:44:36 PM
Wouldn't recommend engaging with Dewt in here, he gets very cross. Just let him have his monologue on why he's not interested in the game in peace.

Like with the corridors, the fact the game is mostly dark and dingy is something I see as pretty true to the original when it comes to Midgar With the exception of Wall Market which I seem to recall had a notion of daytime originally rather than just always being set at night. You're in the slums under a rotting pizza - it's meant to be grim!

If part 2 is dark and dingy that's when I'll start grumbling as that's when you had the nice bright sunny overworld to drop into. It was a breath of fresh air and I hope for part 2 to be the same.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on April 21, 2020, 12:54:55 PM
Wouldn't recommend engaging with Dewt in here, he gets very cross. Just let him have his monologue on why he's not interested in the game in peace.

Narcissists need their dimwit entourage I guess

Reddit is more interesting than you fuckers. Honest to god, Reddit. "It is quite dark" "yes i agree it is quite dark. some of the bits are good but also there are some of the bits and they are bad. OH NO SOMEBODY IS HURTING MY GAME FEELINGS"

Absolute shape of piss. Detailed chalk outline of a dog's pissmarks.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Timothy on April 21, 2020, 12:58:26 PM
Wouldn't recommend engaging with Dewt in here, he gets very cross. Just let him have his monologue on why he's not interested in the game in peace.

Like with the corridors, the fact the game is mostly dark and dingy is something I see as pretty true to the original when it comes to Midgar With the exception of Wall Market which I seem to recall had a notion of daytime originally rather than just always being set at night. You're in the slums under a rotting pizza - it's meant to be grim!

If part 2 is dark and dingy that's when I'll start grumbling as that's when you had the nice bright sunny overworld to drop into. It was a breath of fresh air and I hope for part 2 to be the same.

I mean dark as in: I cant seem to see anything on screen because its too dark. Seems the hdr is bugged at times.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Abnormal Palm on April 21, 2020, 01:12:17 PM
Didn't read past the first sentence, just stop being a cunt when the conversation isn't your conversation.

You weren't having a conversation with anyone, though. You jumped on a point I didn't make and started to lose your temper. Literally nobody's feelings are hurt.

I don't know what's up today but just have a breather and come back to talk about whatever you damn well like! :)




Tim,

The HDR looks fucking amazing on the OLED telly but I have been playing a lot in a pitch black room with the shutters down. Details in dark areas are up there with HZD/GoW and the highlights are like Rez Infinite or Tetris Effect!
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on April 21, 2020, 01:14:45 PM
the ban on grubby was the true about the system being abuse and they don't check any info about the reports so ye you "violated the terms" not them with there trash system being abuse a lot. even a mobile game #mobilelegends has better rep system than hots

in any other words don't say anything bad about the game on official forum because that is violating the terms :))

Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cloud on April 21, 2020, 01:19:44 PM
I mean dark as in: I cant seem to see anything on screen because its too dark. Seems the hdr is bugged at times.

Ah right, just I'd seen dark as in "grim" as a criticism before (early in the thread I think).  Though of course people are entitled to that opinion (before anyone starts accusing me of fascism!), I just disagree with it :)

Seems fine on my TV, sounds an odd bug.  My TV is ancient though and has nothing fancy like HDR.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: bgmnts on April 21, 2020, 01:24:18 PM
The game looks very dark in terms of what i've seen in trailers and youtube video, I just assumed that was the colour scheme for the opening.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on April 21, 2020, 01:25:05 PM
The game looks very dark in terms of what i've seen in trailers and youtube video, I just assumed that was the colour scheme for the opening.
DO NOT SPEAK OF THE GAME UNLESS YOU HAVE EXPERIENCED IT AT THE SAME LEVEL AS THE BOSTON CRAB AND HIS MONKEY
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Timothy on April 21, 2020, 01:28:13 PM
Ah right, just I'd seen dark as in "grim" as a criticism before (early in the thread I think).  Though of course people are entitled to that opinion (before anyone starts accusing me of fascism!), I just disagree with it :)

Seems fine on my TV, sounds an odd bug.  My TV is ancient though and has nothing fancy like HDR.

If you dont use HDR there is a brightness setting in options. But this is missing when you use HDR. Especially in a few chapters at the start I couldnt see anything. Quite confusing. Seems like its a bug.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: popcorn on April 21, 2020, 01:28:33 PM
I think Dewt needs an injection.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: peanutbutter on April 21, 2020, 01:28:56 PM
Now, I haven't played either, but is the FF7 Remake quite like the Yakuza games in some ways? I feel like a lot of the footage looks similar.


I'll be getting this an a PS4 in a few months, can't justify the cost right now but maybe I'll be able to borrow someone's PS4 later.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Timothy on April 21, 2020, 01:29:49 PM
Now, I haven't played either, but is the FF7 Remake quite like the Yakuza games in some ways? I feel like a lot of the footage looks similar.

I'll be getting this an a PS4 in a few months, can't justify the cost right now but maybe I'll be able to borrow someone's PS4 later.

Nah. Two completely different games.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on April 21, 2020, 05:49:03 PM
I'm quite surprised about the comments about darkness, because there's lots of points where you get the real early daytime vibe, and the structure of the plates means you get lots light shining through, whereas originally it was that the sky was  pretty much entirely blocked out.

The lighting engine does seem to do something as you shift between interior and exteriors, like it's trying to recreate the feeling when you step out of a cinema in the middle of the afternoon.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Johnny Textface on April 21, 2020, 06:22:40 PM
This game is so sexy
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Abnormal Palm on April 21, 2020, 06:53:06 PM
Tifa's zettai ryouiki.

Ooffffffffffffffffffff.

Eatin dinner off dat.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Abnormal Palm on April 22, 2020, 04:30:03 PM
The official boycott announcement style posts are amazing on Era. Just pure shitfits.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: popcorn on April 22, 2020, 04:42:46 PM
The official boycott announcement style posts are amazing on Era. Just pure shitfits.

what is this?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Abnormal Palm on April 22, 2020, 04:47:53 PM
I hereby announce that the series is officially DEAD TO ME, etc.

Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: popcorn on April 22, 2020, 04:48:47 PM
Where? What's Era?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Abnormal Palm on April 22, 2020, 05:12:34 PM
Resetera. It's a massive gaming forum. I wouldn't bother, I'm just being unkind.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: popcorn on April 22, 2020, 05:19:57 PM
Oh Era is Resetera. For some reason I didn't join those dots.

I browse that place from time to time to see what the chumps are chowing on.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cloud on April 22, 2020, 05:32:14 PM
If it's not obvious,  I'm not keen on excessive bitching so think I will avoid this etcetera place!

It's definitely much better in the remake being able to actually see the plates above you - or not above you as the case may be.  You just had to kind of take everyone's word for it in the original with it being that classic fixed birds eye view.  It really helps it to hit home when shit goes down.

On chapter 14 now which I get the impression is the "go and grind for a bit before the final stretch" part that I always hate in these games.  Can't be arsed, but will probably crack on as otherwise I'll end up abandoning it.

I was surprised by the retcon of Wedge surviving - makes you wonder what other retcons of that nature will happen in future parts...
Yes I know in the original it was never 100% proven that BW+J didn't die and only very heavily implied - first time around I spent ages mashing X at the gate to sector 7 thinking there MUST be some way to find if they're still alive so this scratches a very old itch - but them rescuing him is a retcon as Barrett talks about them having sacrificed their lives for the planet later in the game.  Also I know there's a chance I'll get to the end and find he still snuffs it, but that would be a bit pointless
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Abnormal Palm on April 22, 2020, 05:38:57 PM
Actually, it's pretty decent there. There's lots of quality discussion and loads of people have loved it and enjoyed dissecting it to various degrees. I'm just being unkind because there's also of course a load of people losing their shit.

It's actually pretty decent. It is extremely woke which I find irritating even if I share many of the same values.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on April 22, 2020, 05:49:50 PM
As a young pubescent boy playing this I looked at Tifa and thought "Hur Hur Big Boobs" now playing this remake as a mature grown man, I look at her and want her to beat the shit out of me.


(with her boobs)
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Abnormal Palm on April 22, 2020, 05:51:19 PM
I get it. I never wanted to rag the arse off pixels so bad. In fact never before in my life. Get your feathered gloves on and thump me in the damn nuts.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on April 22, 2020, 05:54:06 PM
If it's not obvious,  I'm not keen on excessive bitching so think I will avoid this etcetera place!
you should avoid cab too
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cloud on April 22, 2020, 06:00:15 PM
Actually, it's pretty decent there. There's lots of quality discussion and loads of people have loved it and enjoyed dissecting it to various degrees. I'm just being unkind because there's also of course a load of people losing their shit.

It's actually pretty decent. It is extremely woke which I find irritating even if I share many of the same values.

Hmmm fair enough well I'll bear it in mind but not in any hurry to ruin it for myself by reading everyone pointing out all the flaws they can find :)  A bit of discussion of pros and cons are fine and where small forums tend to work well, I just don't like getting overwhelmed with criticism. Doing so ruined my enjoyment of a lot of Star Trek back in the day, for example.  I think there's a great deal to be said for enjoying something for yourself, even if it's not a 100% perfect masterpiece on an objective level, rather than 'critics' (be they armchair or professional) telling you whether you should be enjoying it or not.

I think extreme wokeness would get on my tits though.  Like you I'd say I probably share the basic values, but when people get silly with identity politics it just gets really obnoxious.  Let me guess: Barrett being reminiscent of dated black guy stereotypes (IMO: partly "just who he's always been historically" and partly "really you could equally have a heavily built gruff white guy who shouts and shoots things a lot") gets morphed into "Barrett IS an offensive black guy stereotype" and that gets morphed into "Square-Enix are racist" and then "Square-Enix are bigots" and then "anyone who plays this game is a racist" and then "anyone who still plays this game after I've told them this is a bigot" and that's how they expect the boycott to work.  In the words of Barrett: To Hell with That Shiiit

you should avoid cab too

Nah, it's becoming a reasonable discussion now that there's some balanced input and it's not just you screaming at everyone like a loon.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on April 22, 2020, 06:07:59 PM
Your autism makes it shit here.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cloud on April 22, 2020, 06:10:15 PM
You make it shit here.  Now FUCK OFF you annoying little cunt.
Honestly I don't know what your problem is.  You're the most obnoxious poster I've ever had the misfortune to know.  Like, how do you manage to even make Paulie Walnuts look like a nice bloke?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on April 22, 2020, 06:16:28 PM
You are on a campaign against negativity and until it stops I am going to make you feel uncomfortable.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Timothy on April 22, 2020, 06:19:54 PM
Dude. Chill out.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on April 22, 2020, 06:28:45 PM
Absolutely not. Nobody gets to make other people feel like their contributions are unwelcome because they don't conform to some spacko desire to only see positive things about their favourite games. Exaggerating how negative people are being is pure gaslighting and I will harass him until he drops this daily "no negativity here!" crap and makes it clear it will never happen again.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cloud on April 22, 2020, 06:31:44 PM
"Campaign against negativity", lol.  The absolute state of this snowflake (all because I voiced a few pages ago that his spamming of several youtube clips in a row complaining about a game he doesn't even have any intention of playing was starting to get a little bit tiresome).
Also lol at accusing me of gaslighting while simultaneously claiming that I'm saying "no negativity here!" on a daily basis.  Which I've not done, I literally just went on a mini rant about how boring chapter 14 looks.  It's absolutely ridiculous

Anyone know of a version of the cab ignore script that works in Safari?  I don't see any benefit to continuing to read this deranged idiot's flamebait.  I only wish he'd use it on me, but that doesn't seem to be happening.  I'd hate to have to switch browsers due to one cunt, but he will insist on harassing me.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on April 22, 2020, 06:33:11 PM
I absolutely will. I will insist on harassing you for as long as you even hint at repeating that "I set the tone of this place" shit. It's worth it. You're fucking up the entire subforum and I will frustrate you out of doing it.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Abnormal Palm on April 22, 2020, 06:37:12 PM
Absolutely not. Nobody gets to make other people feel like their contributions are unwelcome because they don't conform to some spacko desire to only see positive things about their favourite games. Exaggerating how negative people are being is pure gaslighting and I will harass him until he drops this daily "no negativity here!" crap and makes it clear it will never happen again.

This is pretty mad, man. I don't know what's up at the moment but this doesn't seem like you. Have a breather maybe. PM if you want to chat or rant. Take it easy.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on April 22, 2020, 06:43:04 PM
Quiet you.

This friction is worth it because some of you got way too comfortable with the idea of setting your own, dull tone here. Cloud is having the kind of notions that need to be violently, publicly burned down.

You don't stop conversation from happening in the gaming forum.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: popcorn on April 22, 2020, 06:45:25 PM
Speaking of stopping conversation
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on April 22, 2020, 06:47:49 PM
It's worth fucking this thread up a little to stop that shit spreading. He just wrote a paragraph on how important it is not to be negative around him. Gotta make him uncomfortable.

Also this is really funny.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cloud on April 22, 2020, 06:53:36 PM
The absolute irony of trying to dictate what I can and can't say via harassment while throwing a shitfit over me supposedly trying to set the tone 😂

Sorted thanks to the post by Endicott here: https://www.cookdandbombd.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=71183.120

Tampermonkey for Safari isn't free!  Hopefully he gets some kind of satisfaction from knowing that he cost me £1.99, seems like he could do with something to be happy about.

That marks the end of the derailment from my end.

Edit: Helps if you know how to use it properly, ignore previous screenshot.  Sorted now
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Abnormal Palm on April 22, 2020, 06:53:44 PM
Dewt

Mate, you're losing it here. You've spent far more time talking about what you're not allowed to talk about than about the game. Nobody gives a shit. There's no crusade.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on April 22, 2020, 06:58:04 PM
No, it's brilliant, I'm being performatively blocked. And it won't work, if he continues doing what he's done here. Even a hint of that attitude again and he will hear from me via other people's replies. It will stop.

Now get back to pretending you like being alive, I've heard enough from you.

I say this with absolute fucking glee at how mad it is, and also with full conviction: nobody tells me not to talk about the music of FF7.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Abnormal Palm on April 22, 2020, 07:01:28 PM
I hope you get some rest. Catch you round.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Rainbow Moses on April 22, 2020, 07:04:09 PM
Christ, what a pair of Marys.

Your autism makes it shit here.

Speak for yourself. Are you seriously trying to suggest there were no socially inept dorks round here until Cloud showed up?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on April 22, 2020, 07:13:55 PM
Your sock account has a brony name Cloud. Give us some credit here.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Rainbow Moses on April 22, 2020, 07:17:51 PM
Nah, you're both as bad as each other, though I don't think someone uses the word "spacko" and then takes a pop at autism deserves to come out of this thinking they've won the argument. Didn't know my name was "brony", btw.

I do hope someone brings this thread up next time you go on one of your woker-than-thou rants.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on April 22, 2020, 07:21:37 PM
Well, autism should have thought about that before getting on my fucking tits.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Utter Shit on April 22, 2020, 07:39:41 PM
Roughly how many people do you reckon would have to tell you that the issue lies with you before you realise that the issue lies with you?

I really want to buy this, having loved loved LOVED the original, but I just don't think I have the time to make the most of it. It better have that bastard Demon Gate from Disc 2.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Golden E. Pump on April 22, 2020, 08:12:50 PM
Having finished a week ago I've had the time to reflect on the ending. I'm not going to spoil it but I think it's one of the bravest endings to any piece of media ever. I think history will be very kind to it if the next part is of similar quality. I think it's brilliant.

Probably the most I've enjoyed a game ever. Will try and complete on Hard Mode soon, and I've never done that with a game other than The Witcher 3 (of which I got about 2 hours into) so I think that speaks volumes.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: popcorn on April 22, 2020, 08:15:53 PM
I've never played FF7 and I'm unlikely to play this. But I'm interested from a zeitgeist perspective. Could someone very briefly summarise what they changed in the story and why it's significant/surprising? Bear in mind that I don't know the original story!!! Good luck?! :---)
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Jim Bob on April 22, 2020, 08:16:52 PM
Hmmm fair enough well I'll bear it in mind but not in any hurry to ruin it for myself by reading everyone pointing out all the flaws they can find :)  A bit of discussion of pros and cons are fine and where small forums tend to work well, I just don't like getting overwhelmed with criticism. Doing so ruined my enjoyment of a lot of Star Trek back in the day, for example.  I think there's a great deal to be said for enjoying something for yourself, even if it's not a 100% perfect masterpiece on an objective level, rather than 'critics' (be they armchair or professional) telling you whether you should be enjoying it or not.

This is a bit of an ego-centric mindset to have.  When has anyone within this thread told you whether or not you should personally enjoy the game?  For that matter, I have my doubts that anyone on these Star Trek forums you speak of was telling you whether you should personally enjoy the show or not.  Anyone who would do such a thing would be a class A dick.

It's daft that you would feel that other people criticising something which you personally enjoy, somehow negates your own enjoyment of it.  It's almost as though you feel that criticism of something which you enjoy is somehow, in a roundabout way, criticism of yourself for enjoying that thing (hence; egocentric).  If it's not that, then you have to ask yourself why a critique of a game would affect your own personal enjoyment of it?  The only other plausible reason would be because deep down you know that the criticism is on point, in which case surely people have the right to express that opinion and critique.

Personally, I don't care for the way that Square Enix have approached this remake at all.  Their approach annoys me in fact, but I hold absolutely zero issue with the majority of people within this thread who are singing the game's praises.  It's great that they're enjoying something that I likely wouldn't.  More power to them.  Surely you could extend that same mindset in return; allow people who don't like something you like to express their opinion upon it and to not qualify it by saying that that some criticism is acceptable, but not an abundance of it - if someone wants to be entirely negative about a game, then that's every bit as valid as someone who wants to be entirely positive.  Nobody who is criticising the remake or Square Enix's approach to it is doing so to "ruin" the experience for you, anymore than you are trying to convert people who don't like the game into liking it.  They're just voicing their own thoughts about the game, just as everyone else within this thread is.  The world and by extension this forum does not revolve around yourself.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on April 22, 2020, 09:08:10 PM

I really want to buy this, having loved loved LOVED the original, but I just don't think I have the time to make the most of it. It better have that bastard Demon Gate from Disc 2.

Nah it's only the Midgar section stretched out.

And Demon Gate was disc 1. Clearly not a TRU FAN.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Utter Shit on April 22, 2020, 09:15:32 PM
Haha it's been twenty years! I'd actually quite like to revisit the structure just to see how good my memory of it is. In my head it basically boils down to:

Disc 1: Midgar makes up about 80% of the disc, then the World Map finally opens up.
Disc 2: Endless fucking snow, meet Yuffie and Vincent
Disc 3: Sephiroth

Obviously a lot of stuff (the Weapons, the Golden Saucer, chocobo noncing) can be done on all three discs but that is my rough breakdown.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cloud on April 22, 2020, 09:19:59 PM
This is a bit of an ego-centric mindset to have.  When has anyone within this thread told you whether or not you should personally enjoy the game?  For that matter, I have my doubts that anyone on these Star Trek forums you speak of was telling you whether you should personally enjoy the show or not.  Anyone who would do such a thing would be a class A dick.

It's daft that you would feel that other people criticising something which you personally enjoy, somehow negates your own enjoyment of it.  It's almost as though you feel that criticism of something which you enjoy is somehow, in a roundabout way, criticism of yourself for enjoying that thing (hence; egocentric).  If it's not that, then you have to ask yourself why a critique of a game would affect your own personal enjoyment of it?  The only other plausible reason would be because deep down you know that the criticism is on point, in which case surely people have the right to express that opinion and critique.

Personally, I don't care for the way that Square Enix have approached this remake at all.  Their approach annoys me in fact, but I hold absolutely zero issue with the majority of people within this thread who are singing the game's praises.  It's great that they're enjoying something that I likely wouldn't.  More power to them.  Surely you could extend that same mindset in return; allow people who don't like something you like to express their opinion upon it and to not qualify it by saying that that some criticism is acceptable, but not an abundance of it - if someone wants to be entirely negative about a game, then that's every bit as valid as someone who wants to be entirely positive.  Nobody who is criticising the remake or Square Enix's approach to it is doing so to "ruin" the experience for you, anymore than you are trying to convert people who don't like the game into liking it.  They're just voicing their own thoughts about the game, just as everyone else within this thread is.  The world and by extension this forum does not revolve around yourself.

Contrary to the noises of wotsisname, I don't actually have THAT much of a problem with criticism and have even included some of my own!  Sometimes yes CaB can be pretty miserable for no one seeming to like anything (and the oft uttered phrase "shit for cunts" generally tends to imply that someone who enjoys said 'shit' is a cunt), it can get a bit wearing when you feel like the only person in a thread who actually likes the thing being discussed (it was like that with Picard as well).  Yes, I've vented about it maybe once or twice (which has been taken as being on some sort of crusade).  But I think you're reading a little too much into their claims that I can't bear anyone saying a single bad word about it!  I just have and sometimes voice the opinion that people could maybe lighten up a little sometimes and not only take to the internet to criticise and never say anything positive.  As always, it's balance! 

But hey, even that's... just an opinion.  That's why I don't understand the vitriol for sharing one.  It's okay to flood the thread with reasons why you aren't interested in it, but not okay to have an opinion about that in turn?  Like I said a few pages back - I wasn't claiming to have any power over what people can or cannot say or trying to tell people what they can or cannot say.  Sure I said something like "oh quit whining :D" in exactly the non-aggressive "okay maybe I am a little irritated by it but.. maybe a little suggestion that we lighten up just a touch?" kind of tone the emoticon was intended to convey (and for the reaction I might as well have said "gas the jews" and taken a shit on the grave of their loved ones) but at no point was there any attempt to control anyone.  I don't see what's so bad about voicing a desire or suggestion for a little bit of positivity if the atmosphere seems extremely negative - no one's forced to take up any such suggestion and I don't understand why it justifies a hate campaign.

What I meant with Star Trek reviews is similar to a lot of things (particularly nerdy things, notably Doctor Who as well) in that you might not actually put too much thought into something but when you read through the detailed criticism of someone who does, it can highlight problems that you can't "unsee", whether it's a massive plot hole you didn't notice or a poor writing technique (excessive exposition, telegraphing etc) that you didn't care about beforehand.  There's probably a word for it, I mean people will have been coming across this issue for centuries when talking about books and plays.  "Ruin" was maybe a bit strong.  It can taint things when all their flaws are highlighted in a big list though.  To be clear, I'm not saying that's the critic's fault or that they've done anything wrong!  It's just to explain (because why not, it's a forum, we express our thoughts, experiences and opinions) why I'd find a forum where people are literally boycotting it.... probably not quite my cup of tea.  There's criticism, and there's... well sometimes it gets to the kind of behaviour I've witnessed in fandoms where people start shit like sending death threats to the writers on Twitter because they're THAT angry about a TV show (this isn't some shit I'm making up, it genuinely happens).  So yeah I am a bit wary of a forum where people sound like they're starting to get precisely that worked up in hatred over, in this case, a video game.
tl;dr they sound like Sonic fans.  (Okay, cheap shot, but apparently I'm not the only one making cheap shots about fandoms)

Critique isn't preventing me enjoying anything.  A big influx of negativity several days ago bummed me out a little bit when I was hoping to share the enjoyment with someone - nothing more than that really.  It's all got way out of hand and by my estimation my take on things has been blown way out of proportion.

Still.. the ignore script is not too difficult to install, if I get on people's nerves that much.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: The Culture Bunker on April 22, 2020, 09:20:59 PM
You can meet Yuffie and Vincent in Disc 1, can't you? Pretty sure all the snow stuff is that early on too. My main memory of Disc 2 is the section where Cloud is AWOL and the brief time you get to lead the team with Cid, which was great.

In fact, one of the main things putting me off paying more than £25 for this remake is that I assume my favourite characters (Cid and Vince) are in it, or at least not in any significant way.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cloud on April 22, 2020, 09:51:56 PM
I'm getting a disinct Yuffie vibe from... her name is something like Kylie?  I'm calling at least a relation.  But yeah unless I'm about to be massively surprised by some crazy twist, Cid and Vincent won't be until part 2.  Maybe even part 3 depending how much they decide to pad out all the bits in between!

The snow stuff that I remember, fairly sure was disc 2 in the original.  As  you had to change discs just after that sad thing happens and it was REALLY weird that you went on a cheerful snowboarding adventure immediately afterwards.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Johnny Textface on April 22, 2020, 10:09:17 PM
This game (and thread) is so sexy
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: The Culture Bunker on April 22, 2020, 10:27:00 PM
The snow stuff that I remember, fairly sure was disc 2 in the original.  As  you had to change discs just after that sad thing happens and it was REALLY weird that you went on a cheerful snowboarding adventure immediately afterwards.
You're doubtless right. I guess the jarring nature of funtime snowboarding after tragedy made me get the order of events mixed up. Plus it is about 20 years since I played the version on three discs.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: bgmnts on April 22, 2020, 10:27:07 PM
All kicked off in here innit?

Can't say the game hasn't created a reaction, even if divisive.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cloud on April 22, 2020, 10:49:14 PM
I'm getting a disinct Yuffie vibe from... her name is something like Kylie?

Kyrie.... which sounds just like one of those old bad translations like the original (Japanese with their Ls and Rs and such) except they pronounce it KIRRY-YAY
It's driving me almost as bonkers as the pull ups match!  (Seriously the other guy drops and is on the floor for half a second, Tifa drops and pretty much goes to sleep for half an hour)
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on April 22, 2020, 11:01:04 PM
All kicked off in here innit?

Can't say the game hasn't created a reaction, even if divisive.

It's not even about the game though.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on April 23, 2020, 12:20:53 AM
Contrary to the noises of wotsisname, I don't actually have THAT much of a problem with criticism and have even included some of my own!  Sometimes yes CaB can be pretty miserable for no one seeming to like anything (and the oft uttered phrase "shit for cunts" generally tends to imply that someone who enjoys said 'shit' is a cunt),
You are very close to getting this. Why do you feel the need to install an ignore script? Is it because somebody's single minded campaign that doesn't actually stop you from contributing is still managing to make it unenjoyable to be here?

You are consistently taking people's reasonable posts, pretending they are mindless "this is shit!" criticism and damning them. It's at least as rude as me constantly giving you shit, because it's restrictive, judgmental, personal and in a rare accurate usage of the word, gaslighting. I will hassle you and everyone in your wake until it stops. Gotta shit on the carpet until the litter box is cleaned, there's no other recourse.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cerys on April 23, 2020, 01:33:59 AM
Probably going to be waiting another eight months to play this.  So be thankful, bitches.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on April 23, 2020, 01:37:26 AM
Probably going to be waiting another eight months to play this.  So be thankful, bitches.
Why? (obvs don't feel obliged to answer if it's too personal)
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cerys on April 23, 2020, 01:56:22 AM
We're being financially responsible.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Utter Shit on April 23, 2020, 09:44:46 AM
You are very close to getting this. Why do you feel the need to install an ignore script? Is it because somebody's single minded campaign that doesn't actually stop you from contributing is still managing to make it unenjoyable to be here?

You are consistently taking people's reasonable posts, pretending they are mindless "this is shit!" criticism and damning them. It's at least as rude as me constantly giving you shit, because it's restrictive, judgmental, personal and in a rare accurate usage of the word, gaslighting. I will hassle you and everyone in your wake until it stops. Gotta shit on the carpet until the litter box is cleaned, there's no other recourse.

Give it a rest.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on April 23, 2020, 11:08:25 AM
Give it a rest.

I think it's unlikely that this post will result in him "giving it a rest"
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Utter Shit on April 23, 2020, 11:11:54 AM
Yeah fair point, I suppose we should just ignore him until he gives it a rest on his own.

Is the Golden Saucer in this game, or does that come later?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Abnormal Palm on April 23, 2020, 11:21:10 AM
Later, it's just Midgar, but there are plenty of nods to stuff elsewhere in the game.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Utter Shit on April 23, 2020, 11:23:49 AM
Ah so this game is JUST Midgar? I think I need to get the demo just to have a look.

How open-world is it? Like can you just wander(/drive?) around as you want, the way you might in GTA?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on April 23, 2020, 11:30:26 AM
I think it's unlikely that this post will result in him "giving it a rest"
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Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on April 23, 2020, 11:36:57 AM
Ah so this game is JUST Midgar? I think I need to get the demo just to have a look.

How open-world is it? Like can you just wander(/drive?) around as you want, the way you might in GTA?
THIS IS THE THREAD FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE PLAYED THE GAME WE DO NOT TOLERATE THIS CONTENT HERE

Please post an important "I have played the game" observation.

I like Fintal Fantasy seven the remake some parts of it are good but also some parts of it are also not up to my epectations this is okay I like the bits that are good but I wish the bits that I do not like as much are slightly different

10/10
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on April 23, 2020, 11:40:13 AM
Nah it's a Final Fantasy 7/10 from me.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on April 23, 2020, 11:42:32 AM
You're going to enjoy it when Cloud starts doing the same thing here that he clearly did on that Star Trek forum that he has PTSD about
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on April 23, 2020, 11:48:49 AM
You're going to enjoy it when Cloud starts doing the same thing here that he clearly did on that Star Trek forum that he has PTSD about

It didn't actually happen to him, he's got mixed up with someone else's memories.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on April 23, 2020, 11:49:40 AM
That's quite funny.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Timothy on April 23, 2020, 11:54:42 AM
Ah so this game is JUST Midgar? I think I need to get the demo just to have a look.

How open-world is it? Like can you just wander(/drive?) around as you want, the way you might in GTA?

Not at all. Its very linear.

Almost finished the game. Two chapters to go. So far a decent RPG but I expected more. Too much filler. 7.5 from me.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on April 23, 2020, 01:29:15 PM
Review: If you spent more than hour playing this you will die never understanding what beauty is. If this game appeals to you on any level then you are worse than a raper to me.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Utter Shit on April 23, 2020, 02:35:36 PM
Not at all. Its very linear.

That sounds weird to me, but then I suppose FF7 gave the appearance of being open while really being linear (at least until you get to the World Map).
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: bgmnts on April 23, 2020, 03:00:02 PM
That sounds weird to me, but then I suppose FF7 gave the appearance of being open while really being linear (at least until you get to the World Map).

Pretty much every JRPG that.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Abnormal Palm on April 23, 2020, 03:04:49 PM
That sounds weird to me, but then I suppose FF7 gave the appearance of being open while really being linear (at least until you get to the World Map).

Yeah, there was a lot more suggested by the world but when you go back now, it's essentially a corridor until you leave Midgar. I have no issue with that whatsoever, to be clear. This is more or less the same structure although you can and will revisit certain areas as part of the main/side quests.

In other respects, though, 'it goes places'.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Utter Shit on April 23, 2020, 03:07:32 PM
Yeah, there was a lot more suggested by the world but when you go back now, it's essentially a corridor until you leave Midgar. I have no issue with that whatsoever, to be clear. This is more or less the same structure although you can and will revisit certain areas as part of the main/side quests.

From what I remember I would struggle to say FF7 was a good game as such, it felt more like an interactive movie - bar the Golden Saucer, the chocobo racing and a handful of difficult battles, there wasn't much in the way of gameplay. But the story, and the world that was created, made it brilliant anyway.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Timothy on April 23, 2020, 03:07:37 PM
Thats the same in the remake.

Most of the times this game feels more like a hack n slash action adventure then a RPG. Which is not necessarily a bad thing. But I cant remember playing another JRPG that is so incredible linear. There are two or three chapters where the world opens up a bit but youre mostly following the trail within closed environments.

At points it felt more like Uncharted. Playing through a movie is a quite accurate description.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on April 23, 2020, 03:08:50 PM
No it's like Final Fantasy XIII

Not even joking a couple of areas in particular have this endless tunnel/corridor structure to the design that that had.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Timothy on April 23, 2020, 03:10:50 PM
A couple? Most of them!
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Abnormal Palm on April 23, 2020, 03:14:38 PM
Tim, I'd say it's more linear than you might expect because it's covering an extremely linear section of the original game and plot. I do think this must be a weird game to play without knowledge of the original, you'll have a pretty rare perspective on it, I reckon.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Timothy on April 23, 2020, 03:18:12 PM
Absolutely.

I tried not to read to much about it before buying it. No reviews, not too much info. The only thing I knew was that the original was considered a classic, that it was suppose to be a great RPG and that my brother absolutely loved the original.

I expected a traditional RPG. I expected it to be a bit more open world, with the (for lack of a better term) traditional quests and subquests that you normally get in a rpg. Travel from world to world, meet characters, level up, progress the story at your own pace etc. The best comparison I can make right now is that it reminds me most of Devil May Cry 5.

I guess I should have read more about it before buying it. It's not that I regret buying the game but in hindsight it might have been better to buy it when it's complete.

I can only imagine how awesome this game but be if you grew up with it or played the original and waited for the remake.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Utter Shit on April 23, 2020, 03:26:09 PM
Not even joking a couple of areas in particular have this endless tunnel/corridor structure to the design that that had.
Oh Christ you've just reminded me of the one where it felt like the entire game involved running around some sort of university shaped in a circle. Think it must have been FF8?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: The Culture Bunker on April 23, 2020, 03:56:58 PM
At points it felt more like Uncharted. Playing through a movie is a quite accurate description.
I think that's really what puts me off buying it now. The first four Uncharted games have been on PS+ recently, and going through them for the first time, I'm happy enough enjoying the silly storylines, but I'm glad I didn't pay any decent money for them. However, that's just me - I know plenty who rave over them. Similarly, the main appeal of FF7 remake is the story but I question spending good money on something where I already have a general idea of what's going to happen, though I'm sure there's a few variations - I'll probably get it when my other half is here for the experience of seeing how someone with no knowledge of the story/characters finds them.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: bgmnts on April 23, 2020, 03:59:13 PM
Final Fantasy XIII comparison is grim.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Timothy on April 23, 2020, 04:00:29 PM
I think that's really what puts me off buying it now. The first four Uncharted games have been on PS+ recently, and going through them for the first time, I'm happy enough enjoying the silly storylines, but I'm glad I didn't pay any decent money for them. However, that's just me - I know plenty who rave over them. Similarly, the main appeal of FF7 remake is the story but I question spending good money on something where I already have a general idea of what's going to happen, though I'm sure there's a few variations - I'll probably get it when my other half is here for the experience of seeing how someone with no knowledge of the story/characters finds them.

I would recommend buying it in a sale. And since it's a Square Enix game that's probably sooner then expected. :)
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cloud on April 23, 2020, 06:44:58 PM
That sounds weird to me, but then I suppose FF7 gave the appearance of being open while really being linear (at least until you get to the World Map).

Yeah that's my take on the Midgar part of it - if you look back on the original FF7 it was the same, you were steered around from slum to slum down very similar corridors (just without a mini-map) until you got to the world map and then it opened up (though not a huge amount until you get the Highwind as there'd be artificial barriers stopping you from 'exploring' things you're not meant to see until later, but at least you felt it). 

I'd say because the slum sectors are so large now though you get plenty of exploration within those.  On the negative side you do get stopped from exploring pretty often during the story where it just flashes "warning" up on the screen and forces you back around.   But, all that goes away late in the game when you get a chance to wander around doing your own thing for a while.  Well, sort of your own thing - you still have set quests, you're just doing them in any order you feel like.

Either I'm rubbish at finding the genuine secrets, or all the secrets are pointed out for you, so that's kind of a shame.

The two tied together would be my biggest complaint so far out of what I'm otherwise finding a very enjoyable remake.  Take something like the sector 5 reactor section towards the start of the game, which was shit.  It's screen after screen of "a maze of corridors with 'secrets' scattered around it" and not to give anything away but you can spend a bit of time thinking "how the hell do I get to that, do I go down this other ladder?" and backtracking around the maze etc only to find out it gets signposted for you later on after you've given up and moved on.  The game likes to keep you moving, it actively stops you having any reason to backtrack anywhere and any 'hidden' items are obvious.  There have been times when it's allowed me to take a different path and I've ended up with the dialogue out of order like "ah, now we can go back and unlock that door" (that I passed and didn't realise was locked because it's ingrained in me to take the less obvious path in RPGs). But, I'm not particularly miffed about it as it still seems in line with the Midgar part of the original and significantly expanded in general.  I could see it being more disappointing for newcomers to FF7.

I'm hoping part 2 is when, in keeping with the original, it'll let you explore the world a bit and maybe finding a few secrets that aren't handed to you on a plate (or under a plate).  I'll be disappointed if the world map is just a corridor to Kalm and point to point travel is a menu item.  Corridors don't bother me too much if they feel fairly natural but pointless ones in something that should be more of a Skyrim open roam kind of world (as part 2 should be) would be a lot more disappointing imo.  We shall see... but yeah I'd recommend for anyone (in the same vein as Timothy) who doesn't like corridor games much to maybe wait for part 2 and then do both.  The first part will still be as it is and as it always was, but I wouldn't say it's bad (unless you really hate that structure), it's HOPEFULLY leading to the same sense of "phew, it's opened up now and I can breathe!" that felt so great in the original after leaving Midgar and you won't have a 3 year (or whatever) wait in the meantime :)

Final Fantasy XIII comparison is grim.

Interesting comparison... yeah the structure is about the same and Midgar is basically Cocoon.  Also when casting thunder Cloud keeps saying something like "calling Lightning" which I keep hearing as "call me Lightning", lol.  Thankfully, the battle/equipment system is nowhere near as complicated, so unlike 13 it isn't one giant tutorial right up to the last chapter or two.  Battle mechanics are better, but "staggered!" is back.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Johnny Textface on April 23, 2020, 07:33:44 PM
The battle system is pretty amazing in this game. Very sexy.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: tourism on April 23, 2020, 07:35:58 PM
It is extremely woke which I find irritating even if I share many of the same values.

no it isn't lol
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on April 24, 2020, 05:37:24 AM
lmao you're all playing a game with an intern called Chadley in it
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Abnormal Palm on April 24, 2020, 06:15:18 AM
Without any spoilers, they've handled the post-game well here, almost in Dark Souls 2 NG+ territory. There are reasons to go back to polish off and thoroughly explore different areas to do some things you simply couldn't first time around. I still don't know how they will handle progression in the next chapter but I can see how there's a logical justification for carrying on with a full complement of the materia and gear available in this game, given the time and opportunity available to rinse it before next time.

I've also gone back and ripped a number of the jukebox versions of the soundtrack. In many cases, I prefer these predominantly jazzy, folky variations to the updated soundtrack. Some of them I would choose to listen to alongside the originals. Another great thing about the new soundtrack is how good it is on decent headphones. While I adore the original OST, it's understandably a little lifeless in terms of soundstage and so on. The Remake recordings sound like they've had a lot of time, money and care thrown at them. I picked up some planar phones recently and even my extracted rips sound amazing. I understand there's a 7-disc OST box coming in May so I'll look forward to the mastered lossless versions.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on April 24, 2020, 06:24:46 AM
While I adore the original OST, it's understandably a little lifeless in terms of soundstage and so on.
Yes, that is exactly how I feel about the original. I've said it before, but a remake of that soundtrack that used almost exactly the same instrumentation but improved the dynamic range would be wonderful.

The Remake recordings sound like they've had a lot of time, money and care thrown at them.
It gets into that "it would be better with some more limitations" territory. And the guitar and orchestral stuff sounds naff. You are right that it's the folksy styles and other tracks that sound better. Although Still More Fighting does lend itself to real guitars better, and apart from the overdone chugging power chords does sound better in the remake. The mix is wrong though. Maybe it's YouTube compression doing this but the synth is buried: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7jSfl01C0U - nope, turns out this is just an OC remix
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Jim Bob on April 25, 2020, 12:48:16 AM
The remake’s soundtrack is emblematic of everything that I dislike about Square Enix’s approach to the game.  It’s overly bombastic; orchestrated to the nth degree for the very sake of it, when so many other bold and intriguing approaches were open to the possibility of exploration.

The reimagined soundtrack is similar to the soundtrack within Nu-Who; intrusive and lacking in the personality that comes from a unique and creative voice.  It doesn’t understand the meaning of the word ‘understated’.  Everything has to shout at you from the hilltops; making itself obvious, whilst simultaneously drowning out its own identity in the process.  It’s akin to taking a classical operatic Bocelli track and layering autotune over the top of it, simply because that’s what the market research department told you that 9/10 people enjoyed.

It’s just a whole load of noise and fireworks; a puddle of homogenised mulch, dancing for the attention and coins of the baying crowd; in a desperate attempt to be palatable the widest possible demographic.  The soundtrack is bland, it lacks character and quite frankly, it suits the Final Fantasy VII Remake to a tee.  All of those classic melodies, buried beneath a layer of standardisation.  It’s chasing trends and the status quo.  It’s the polar opposite to everything that the original game was; daring and trendsetting.  It emulates the zeitgeist, as opposed to creating it.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: popcorn on April 25, 2020, 01:00:24 AM
It’s everything that the original game wasn’t; daring.

You think FF7 wasn't daring?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: bgmnts on April 25, 2020, 01:09:26 AM
Uematsu was doing bombastic, orchestral pieces way before this remake.

One Winged Angel in the Advent Children FF7 film is pretty ace:

https://youtu.be/B_MW65XxS7s

Plus you have Liberi Fatali in the opening to FFVIII
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Jim Bob on April 25, 2020, 01:14:59 AM
You think FF7 wasn't daring?

Might want to reread my sentence there, chief.

Uematsu was doing bombastic, orchestral pieces way before this remake.

One Winged Angel in the Advent Children FF7 film is pretty ace:

https://youtu.be/B_MW65XxS7s

Plus you have Liberi Fatali in the opening to FFVIII

Yes, I agree.  The occasional orchestral piece works.  You rightfully cited three examples of that.  I never claimed that there ought not to be orchestral tracks within the remake.  However, the remake turns 90% of the tracks into orchestral pieces.  Listen to The Black Mage’s music (Nobuo Uematsu‘s band), should you care to hear how the soundtrack could have been handled.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: popcorn on April 25, 2020, 01:19:20 AM
Might want to reread my sentence there, chief.

Quote
[FF7 Remake] is everything that the original game wasn’t; daring and trendsetting.

This means FF7 Remake is daring and trendsetting, and FF7 wasn't. But I understand what you meant now.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Jim Bob on April 25, 2020, 01:24:52 AM
This means FF7 Remake is daring and trendsetting, and FF7 wasn't. But I understand what you meant now.

Ah yes, you’re quite correct.  I apologise.  I’ve amended my original post now.  Ta.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: popcorn on April 25, 2020, 01:25:34 AM
I'm delighted for us both!
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on April 25, 2020, 01:34:41 AM
Uematsu was doing bombastic, orchestral pieces way before this remake.

One Winged Angel in the Advent Children FF7 film is pretty ace:

https://youtu.be/B_MW65XxS7s

Plus you have Liberi Fatali in the opening to FFVIII
Yes, in small amounts and with some vision instead of just bland orchestration due to lack of ideas.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cerys on April 25, 2020, 01:37:11 AM
Blasphemy.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: popcorn on April 25, 2020, 01:43:02 AM
I am really tempted to play this in the same way I'm glad I played the Resident Evil 1 remake. I'd always hated RE1 so it was interesting to play the remake and inevitably hate that too but it sort of allowed me to fill the nerd gaps in my knowledge.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on April 25, 2020, 01:59:02 AM
Blasphemy.
It would be blasphemy if I was saying the original tunes with orchestration were bad! But I'm saying they were just right.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cerys on April 25, 2020, 02:13:08 AM
You're also saying that Uematsu doesn't know what he's doing with the remake music.  That's the blasphemy.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on April 25, 2020, 02:35:00 AM
I think hero worship is stupid and would never pretend that figures I admire have 100% output all of the time just because of who they are. Especially when it's a big budget production with huge pressure to satisfy as many people as possible behind it. It could even be doing him a disservice to call it great just because of who he is, when maybe it isn't representative of his best work for reasons outside of his control.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cerys on April 25, 2020, 02:43:07 AM
I'm not saying that everything he does is great - but the implication made was that he doesn't know how to write new arrangements of his own music, and that smacks of insult.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Jim Bob on April 25, 2020, 02:43:27 AM
You're also saying that Uematsu doesn't know what he's doing with the remake music.  That's the blasphemy.

You are aware that Nobuo Uematsu only acted as a “consultant” on the remake’s soundtrack, right?  Masashi Hamauzu (Final Fantasy XIII) is the remake’s official composer.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cerys on April 25, 2020, 02:44:08 AM
You are aware that Uematsu only acted as a “consultant” on the remake’s soundtrack, right?

Well, phooey.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on April 25, 2020, 02:53:34 AM
I'm not saying that everything he does is great - but the implication made was that he doesn't know how to write new arrangements of his own music, and that smacks of insult.
How can you ever actually appreciate anything with a mindset like that? "It is insulting to suggest it isn't great/to your tastes because of who he is".

Well, phooey.
It's madness that this even matters.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cerys on April 25, 2020, 03:01:47 AM
The 'well, phooey' was regarding me not realising was was a consultant, not the fact itself.

How can you ever actually appreciate anything with a mindset like that? "It is insulting to suggest it isn't great/to your tastes because of who he is".

'Who he is' doesn't matter beyond the fact that he's the original composer.  As I've already said, if you don't like it then no problem.  The issue I had was the implication that you thought he didn't know what he was doing, which I saw as an insult to him as a composer.  If what you don't like about it happened because someone else created the new arrangement, then the insult in question doesn't exist.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on April 25, 2020, 03:13:11 AM
That's just a longer way of saying that appreciation of something is predicated on who made it.

Geek culture has this incredible way of removing beauty from things with its indiscriminate idolisation. This is why Ready Player One happened.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cerys on April 25, 2020, 03:15:14 AM
Please, thrall me some more with explanations of what I think.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on April 25, 2020, 03:22:10 AM
I'm telling you about what you said.

I think the point I made about it not being respectful at all to indiscriminately approve of an artist's work because of who they are has been excellently by you attributing somebody else's work to Uematsu! This is what zealotry gets you - you've effectively said that somebody else can do just as good a job as him and that you can't tell the difference.

Criticism has a place in appreciation, geek culture. There is balance
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: bgmnts on April 25, 2020, 03:29:23 AM
Oh my.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cerys on April 25, 2020, 04:10:11 AM
zealotry

Kindly insert a chocobo into your back passage.  Lubrication optional.

I'm ending my contribution to this line of discussion.  I've had a shitty day and I want to avoid any further chance of my sublimating it through either embarrassing myself or aiming large feathered abuse at you.  Or both.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on April 25, 2020, 04:20:04 AM
Look, all I'm saying is that you're shitty gatekeeping nerds and worse than regular people and shouldn't be allowed to communicate with others.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cerys on April 25, 2020, 04:29:25 AM
Don't make me add a moogle to the insertion request.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on April 25, 2020, 04:39:17 AM
I don't really want to make your day worse Cerys but I do not think people realise how disappointing it is to people when they are trying to talk about something in good faith and they get told off for being reasonably critical and then told they're being disrespectful about something they love. It's just a fucking bummer, and really restricts the conversation to what one group of people want it to be. I know I'm being an outrageous jerk but in a thread where people think it's okay to misrepresent people's genuine discussion as unacceptable, wild negativity it's a response I'm comfortable giving.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cloud on April 25, 2020, 04:52:31 AM
I'm only seeing half of this conversation but it's like those ghosts in the train graveyard, you can still see the fighting.  At least it's funny this time!

Just used the GOLDEN SHINY GRAPPLING GUN OF HOPE (that's not a spoiler, that's to save anyone the disappointment of waiting for the wire of hope speech) so presumably not got much left to do now.  The further I go the more I'm loving Barrett as battle leader so I can keep a safe distance from things.

vvvv Aww, it's trying to make a noise.  Cute.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on April 25, 2020, 04:54:43 AM
I'm only seeing half of this conversation
You see every single post I make and it is hilarious watching you pretend otherwise.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Timothy on April 25, 2020, 09:11:25 AM
I'm now at the end of chapter 17.

After chapter 15 the fatigue set in. Its all too samey. Looking forward to the end of the game.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on April 25, 2020, 09:12:22 AM
Annie Lennox is in this

It doesn't make sense but she is! She's in this! Sorry, spoilers.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Abnormal Palm on April 25, 2020, 09:52:24 AM
I'm now at the end of chapter 17.

After chapter 15 the fatigue set in. Its all too samey. Looking forward to the end of the game.

Chapter 14 was the moment when I felt a real lull but I agree that certain chapters are very much corridors and dimly lit at that. Sewers, factories, expressways, train graveyards, etc. Again, I think they look fantastic but as I say, that's playing with the shutters down 2m from an OLED screen. Probably the best viewing environment for that particular graphical style.

I did everything in Ch 14 but wish I'd left most of it for post-game mop up. I can say that it picks up the pace again, without spoilers, but I've no idea what you might make of the 'ending' given it's obviously only a chunk of the total story and some other stuff, but anyway, let's see.

Apologies I haven't replied to your PM yet, we'll have a proper spoiler thread chat once a few people are ready. God's honest truth is I'm knackered, been a really full on week. Back in tomorrow so I'm off for some sunshine! Catch up soon.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Abnormal Palm on April 25, 2020, 10:06:22 AM
However, the remake turns 90% of the tracks into orchestral pieces.  Listen to The Black Mage’s music (Nobuo Uematsu‘s band), should you care to hear how the soundtrack could have been handled.

I'm sure you'll be interested to find that it doesn't. There are loads of tracks and versions I've tried to find on YT and I've not been able to. I guess I'll have to wait for the official release next month. Seven disc job. There's some pretty interesting and fun stuff in there, and many of the remade versions are absolutely beautiful.

I totally agree that some of the moodier, more intimate and unusual pieces from the original have been blanded out by the orchestra, though. Makes me think of when I heard Daft Punk were doing the Tron: Legacy soundtrack and I was incredibly excited and then most of it was completely devoid of personality, aping bombastic conventions, almost no recognisably Daft Punk character. The synth stuff is great, though. I wish that whole OST had skipped the strings and gone full synth.

Stuff like Shinra HQ or Jenova, really eerie and ominous in the original, sounds pretty generic and a lot is lost in the transition to a more cinematic sound (albeit in line with a drastically more cinematic take on the actual game). On the other hand, Tifa and Aerith themes are beautiful. On Our Way sounds fantastic. I can't wait to hear Dear to the Heart. The main title theme is absolutely spectacular, listening to that on some nice planar headphones as the titles burst onto the screen, I got tears in my eyes. As you said, the orchestral approach can and does work in certain cases - and I think it's sometimes a much richer, more fitting realisation of the original compositional intent - but I would have definitely preferred a less familiar, colder, synthier take for certain themes than timpani and cello. I would also have loved some of the more unusual and fun and goofy takes to be more prominent, rather than consigned to the in-game jukeboxes.

I understand that neither you nor Twed is actually saying that they should have used the original soundtrack or something attempting to ape that, but you feel that the original atmosphere isn't there. That's absolutely true. It's a different atmosphere for a very different game. As much as it's fantastic to walk round Wall Market and Sector 7 or go to Aerith's garden or Seventh Heaven and to see how SE have realised those locations according to their imagination and vision, this is a completely different type of feeling to how I feel about the original game. This also fits with several other key elements of both the narrative, metanarrative and the gameplay itself. It's more 'inspired by' the original than an attempt to replicate very much about it. On that basis, I'd say that the 'widescreen' OST is a very good fit for what is a 'widescreen' kind of game, one which is much less watered down than bloated with affection for the original. It is a game of glorious, flawed, loving excess.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on April 25, 2020, 10:45:45 AM
Mmm, that's one of the things, lots of the games original score, exist as in-universe pieces of music so you've quite a few different mixes and styles going on. There's certainly instances where I'd agree with the idea that they're just bland overblown versions, but even then a soundtrack is designed to be heard in a certain context, and if you're not hearing them in that context, you're not getting the full picture.

Again though - that's not to say you can't discuss them or that any opinion is worthless unless you've played the full game - it probably wouldn't massively change your opinion if you did - but I just think there's more than initially meets the umm... ear with the soundtrack.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: NoSleep on April 25, 2020, 10:59:06 AM
Discussing soundtracks outside the context of what their use is a bit pointless. A lot the FF series music is not really my cup of tea as listening music but works perfectly as a soundtrack to the gameplay; it's extremely rare that I wish I could turn it off (which happens with other games). That's generally true for Square games.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on April 25, 2020, 11:11:38 AM
Discussing soundtracks outside the context of what their use is a bit pointless.
That is obviously not true. People enjoy things differently. I listen to the FF7 soundtrack all the time.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Abnormal Palm on April 25, 2020, 11:25:16 AM
Mmm, that's one of the things, lots of the games original score, exist as in-universe pieces of music so you've quite a few different mixes and styles going on. There's certainly instances where I'd agree with the idea that they're just bland overblown versions, but even then a soundtrack is designed to be heard in a certain context, and if you're not hearing them in that context, you're not getting the full picture.

Again though - that's not to say you can't discuss them or that any opinion is worthless unless you've played the full game - it probably wouldn't massively change your opinion if you did - but I just think there's more than initially meets the umm... ear with the soundtrack.

I agree with every word of this. Again, this is a much bigger cinematic experience than the original and so while I prefer the original Infiltrating Shinra, the new version suits the game really well. It feels like a movie, basically. Since that section of the game lasts a lot longer than the original, they're able to use the orchestration to match the low-key traversal sections and then ramp up the tension and atmosphere by bringing back the theme more dynamically. Originally, I think it was basically a loop, and that worked perfectly well for that game but I wouldn't want twenty minutes of it.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: NoSleep on April 25, 2020, 11:33:44 AM
That is obviously not true. People enjoy things differently. I listen to the FF7 soundtrack all the time.

What I mean is that it's music that has to function correctly in context. You have no need to "like" or "hate" it in that respect; it just has to work. A really good example of this is the soundtrack of the film Taxi Driver which I love in the film but for years didn't exist as an OST album (apart from the Tom Scott tracks). When they finally released Bernard Herrmann's orchestral pieces (which I rushed out to buy) I was underwhelmed without the meaning they add to what I was watching; they are complementary to one another.

Divorced from the game, I love some of the FF music but can take or leave much else, but they work perfectly in-game.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: C_Larence on April 25, 2020, 12:28:58 PM
The only way the soundtrack of this is any good is if they replaced every song with music from FFIX.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Jim Bob on April 25, 2020, 01:06:11 PM
Discussing soundtracks outside the context of what their use is a bit pointless.

Mmm, that's one of the things, lots of the games original score, exist as in-universe pieces of music so you've quite a few different mixes and styles going on. There's certainly instances where I'd agree with the idea that they're just bland overblown versions, but even then a soundtrack is designed to be heard in a certain context, and if you're not hearing them in that context, you're not getting the full picture.

Again though - that's not to say you can't discuss them or that any opinion is worthless unless you've played the full game - it probably wouldn't massively change your opinion if you did - but I just think there's more than initially meets the umm... ear with the soundtrack.

Note that I’m currently halfway through watching a playthrough on YouTube, so I have a very good idea of what this game is (outside of the feel of the combat) and how the music sounds within context.  This remake does nothing for me.  I view it as a wasted opportunity in almost every regard and that saddens me.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: bgmnts on April 25, 2020, 01:28:37 PM
Playing game and watching it are always miles apart for me.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Jim Bob on April 25, 2020, 01:32:04 PM
Playing game and watching it are always miles apart for me.

I don't doubt that I'm losing something in translation, but it gives me a strong basis for my critique of the graphical approach, story, dialogue, voice acting and soundtrack.  The voice acting I like.  Virtually everything else; ehhhh.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Johnny Textface on April 25, 2020, 01:50:27 PM
I think there's an issue with the production of the soundtrack. I can't put my finger on it but definitely lacks bottom end and oomph. I thought it might be because they have the functionality of mixing in the tracks you can buy occasionally, along with the sfx. That's like 3 layers to cope with, maybe 4 with the ambience sounds. But I have no fucking clue what I'm talking about. It's almost like there's a high pass filter on it all.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Abnormal Palm on April 25, 2020, 01:54:12 PM
Jim Bob

Given that 'wasted opportunity' is based on your personal set of expectations of a hypothetical game which doesn't exist, my question is 'what do you mean by a wasted opportunity'?

I know that might read as antagonistic, it's not intended that way. It's just impossible to engage with the point you're making unless I can understand what you mean by 'opportunity'. An opportunity to do what, exactly?

Feel free to ignore the questions if you don't feel like explaining anything. Honestly, just curious because the phrase doesn't speak for itself.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Abnormal Palm on April 25, 2020, 02:22:32 PM
I think there's an issue with the production of the soundtrack. I can't put my finger on it but definitely lacks bottom end and oomph...It's almost like there's a high pass filter on it all.

Hmm, I played 80% of the game on headphones via USB and I would say I don't recognise that assessment. If anything, the orchestral stuff was a bit heavy/boomy at times (and these headphones have extremely low distortion).
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Jim Bob on April 25, 2020, 02:56:49 PM
Jim Bob

Given that 'wasted opportunity' is based on your personal set of expectations of a hypothetical game which doesn't exist, my question is 'what do you mean by a wasted opportunity'?

My ideal approach for Square Enix to have taken with the remake would have been, as I said, a bolder and more daring take on the material; a real artistic vision and not a game designed by committee to appeal to the widest possible demographic.  For example, graphically I would have loved it had they based the style around Tetsuya Nomura's original concept art...

(https://i.imgur.com/fa4ef1c.png?1)

(https://i.imgur.com/KgduEyq.jpg?1)

Imagine what that style could have looked like in real-time!  Sort of like Okami (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijZ2FICFHzA&t=0m30s) or Dragon Quest VIII (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGIabSZ3eFY&t=5m48s) but executed with the power of today's technology.

As I previously mentioned, it would have been incredible if they'd gone for a soundtrack more in line with Nobuo Uematsu's band The Black Mages, to compliment the more appropriately orchestrated tracks.  Perhaps other tracks could have been in line with the synth works of Vangelis.  Either way, I think that Square Enix should have done everything within their power to get Uematsu onboard as the main composer for the remake and given him free reign to work his magic.  Drive a truckload of money up to his home, if need be.  Imagine if the battle theme had sounded less like this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRU_UVj2ymw) and more like this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzFh9GuE0rA).  Instead, Square Enix chose to go the safe route and pay off Uematsu, by giving him a token "creative consultant" credit, so that they could keep the music within the realm of cautious overproduced waffle, lest they offend anybody's sensibilities or musical tastes.

Furthermore, I wanted turn based battles, dammit.  That's a core aspect of what made Final Fantasy VII the game that it was.  To switch to a more action focused approach reeks of the overall fear of alienating the casual market, of which this remake is so very guilty of on the whole.  I think that having the enemies existing within the environment, so that people can choose to either engage in combat by touching them (at which point the game seamlessly transitions to the turn based mechanic), or avoid them by running around them would have been ace (no more random battles!).

I would have appreciated more of a straight up adaptation of the original game's story (but with a much better English translation than the original game received).  The story didn't need Tetsuya Nomura inserting his Kingdom Hearts bullshit with the Whispers of Fate in this remake.

Aside from that, I really hate that this remake is episodic.  It should have been a full experience within a single release as far as I'm concerned.  The remake was always guaranteed to sell like hot cakes no matter what, so Square Enix choosing to go the episodic route and pad out the 5 hour Midgar section into a 40 hour slog that outstays its welcome, comes across as nothing more than corporate greed at the cost of artistic vision to me.

Ultimately, I just wanted something that was bolder in its vision and less gutless, which is how I view Square Enix's chosen approach.  It's the most boring and blandest version of the remake that they could have made.  I wanted to be in awe of an explosion of confident creativity, as opposed to a game created out of competent blandness; afraid to be daring; afraid to risk somebody potentially hating it.  Well, I guess that they succeeded in that mission statement because I don't hate what they've done, but the price they pay for toeing the line is that I sure as shit don't love what they've done either.  It's all just so... meh.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Timothy on April 25, 2020, 03:16:10 PM
Just finished the game.

Probably no spoilers but just to be sure: Stop reading here if you havent finished this game. So stop readin if you havent finished FF7 Remake.

So at the end of chapter 16 the story stopped making sense to me. No idea what happened or even who some of the characters are. And then the ending happened.

Probably a lot of fun for people who played the original but after 40 hours of gameplay the game left me completely clueless about what happened. Bit annoyed tbh. No sense of achievement whatsoever.

Can someone explain the ending to me in a PM? Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Johnny Textface on April 25, 2020, 03:21:48 PM
Hmm, I played 80% of the game on headphones via USB and I would say I don't recognise that assessment. If anything, the orchestral stuff was a bit heavy/boomy at times (and these headphones have extremely low distortion).

Hmm maybe my headphones are goosed
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Abnormal Palm on April 25, 2020, 03:49:02 PM
Jim Bob

I think some of that is pretty ungenerous and not in line with my experience of the game. It's much bolder and richer than you're making out, deeper than the original in characterisation, dialogue and narrative, and it takes considerable risks, without spoiling anything. Your point about 'being afraid that anyone would hate it' is unarguably wrong, whether or not you agree.

To my mind, this is bolder than a straight story adaptation with an unusual graphical style, music you prefer, and 1997 gameplay mechanics. That sounds pretty safe to me, and virtually pointless, but I now understand what you meant by 'wasted opportunity' and what you would have wanted. Ten years ago, I would have been really into such a release, I'm sure. Also, I do think those designs are really cool and I like that music and some other stuff I've heard from his band.

Committee design, appealing to casuals etc doesn't really stand up but it's hard to discuss because you may mean something different to what I understand by those terms. There are sections of this which are braver and weirder than anything I've seen in a AAA game this generation. Some real Yakuza shit. There are sections of this which already have long-term fans boycotting future episodes precisely because they dared to do something so different. It's far from gutless but it may simply be a question of taste. As I say, a more manga-influenced style and more rocking soundtrack don't particularly startle me, either.

On a separate note, just for your interest, the combat is extremely reminiscent of the original, funnily enough, just with more use of the environments and some DMC-lite variety to the basic attacks. It's fundamentally all about the ATB decisions you make and coordinating your party. Very similar principles despite the superficial differences, but deeper and more dynamic than the original system. It feels pretty fucking good.

In short, thanks for clarifying what you wanted. I think a number of your criticisms are unjustified and some don't mean more to me than 'I don't like this element', without further context. I would say that the idea that they were afraid to do anything different is a contradiction given your own preference for the straight retelling with turn-based gameplay, which you didn't get, and the fall-out in some areas for their daring to do something different.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: popcorn on April 25, 2020, 04:12:11 PM
It does sound sorta like Jim’s idea of a “bold” remake would be to make the game now as if they would have done in the 90s.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Abnormal Palm on April 25, 2020, 04:16:51 PM
Just for clarity, I'm not criticising what Jim Bob wanted, and I appreciate the explanation of what he considered a bolder artistic vision, etc.


Timothy

It's really hard to say it all and probably one where others will have a different viewpoint when they're done so let's defo have that spoiler thread soon. I'm gonna have a bit of a chill now, just been typing from the exercise bike, but I'm well up for getting stuck into it.

Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Jim Bob on April 25, 2020, 04:31:57 PM
It does sound sorta like Jim’s idea of a “bold” remake would be to make the game now as if they would have done in the 90s.

What I wanted was a remake that took a more artistic and stylised approach to the aesthetics and soundtrack than the actual remake did, whilst staying true and faithful to the core experience of the original.  It's just what I personally wanted.  I don't expect others to share my own wants or personal tastes.  Having said that, I don't understand how anyone could argue that the more realistic graphical approach or the largely orchestral soundtrack that Square Enix went with is bolder and more daring than what I was proposing.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Jim Bob on April 25, 2020, 04:41:02 PM
I think some of that is pretty ungenerous and not in line with my experience of the game.

Why would my own take necessarily be in line with your own experience with the game?  You are not me and I am not you.  I never claimed that my opinions were universal or objective fact.

Your point about 'being afraid that anyone would hate it' is unarguably wrong, whether or not you agree.

You misinterpreted the point that I was making.  I wasn't claiming that nobody hates the remake.  I was claiming that I suspected that Square Enix were afraid of people hating the remake and made creative choices to appeal to the widest possible demographic and to avoid potentially alienating their audience (in much the same way that modern Hollywood movies are focus tested to death; designed by committee and through test screenings).  I'm claiming that Square Enix attempted to minimise the amount of potential dislike by making relatively safe artistic choices, not that they somehow actually managed to achieve the impossible and create something that literally nobody hates (there will always be someone who hates any given thing, no matter what that thing may be).

I think a number of your criticisms are unjustified and some don't mean more to me than 'I don't like this element', without further context.

Ultimately, away from my own suspicions as to the reasoning behind Square Enix's artistic choices, it really does come down to 'I don't like this element', just as much as it ultimately comes down to 'I do like this element' with yourself.  Why does it have to be more than that?  I don't like what they've done with the remake, but I'm happy that you do enjoy the choices that they've made for the remake.  Nobody is right or wrong for liking or not liking this remake.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Abnormal Palm on April 25, 2020, 04:53:14 PM
Absolutely, and that's totally fair. I just wanted to know what you meant by 'wasted opportunity', originally.

I don't understand how anyone could argue that the more realistic graphical approach or the largely orchestral soundtrack that Square Enix went with is bolder and more daring than what I was proposing.

Yeah, I completely agree with that. I would love to see any FF7 stuff in an anime style - why doesn't it exist?! - and it would have been really cool. Something like that, with a few more weird/unusual/unique takes on the music (or just get some of the jukebox versions into the main game) and trim some of the repetitive quests and backtracking, make it even more linear, and I personally probably couldn't have asked for much more within the realms of reality. That said, I do think this looks incredible even if it's a more photorealistic approach.

I've gone through my whole library across the One X, Pro and Switch over the last few weeks and while there have been some stunning visuals in RDR2, Death Stranding, Horizon, God of War, Spider-Man, Gears 5, Sea of Thieves, Forza, Ori, Rez Infinite, Tetris Effect, AC Odyssey, Sekiro, Detroit, Witcher 3, MK8D, ARMS, Smash Ultimate, at its best, this is the best looking game I've ever seen.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Abnormal Palm on April 25, 2020, 04:56:13 PM
You misinterpreted the point that I was making.  I wasn't claiming that nobody hates the remake.  I was claiming that I suspected that Square Enix was afraid of people hating the remake and made creative choices to appeal to the widest possible demographic and to avoid potentially alienating their audience.

This is the bit I disagree with, with reason, but I do understand your broader point about creatively safe aesthetic decisions.

I don't expect your take to be in line with mine, by the way. That was just my way of saying I disagree and here's why...

Anyway, good chat.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Timothy on April 25, 2020, 05:01:33 PM
Quote
I've gone through my whole library across the One X, Pro and Switch over the last few weeks and while there have been some stunning visuals in RDR2, Death Stranding, Horizon, God of War, Spider-Man, Gears 5, Sea of Thieves, Forza, Ori, Rez Infinite, Tetris Effect, AC Odyssey, Sekiro, Detroit, Witcher 3, MK8D, ARMS, Smash Ultimate, at its best, this is the best looking game I've ever seen.

I agree. The cutscenes and some of the chapters visually blew me away. Absolutely fantastic. Makes me excited for the new generation of consoles.

I still think the darkness I was talking about has to be a bug. Somewhere just befote chapter 15 it was so dark I had to follow the minimap to know where to go.

Looking forward to the spoiler topic. Shall we make two? One to discuss FF7 Remake and one to discuss FF7 in general? Dont want the whole game spoiled.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Jim Bob on April 25, 2020, 05:07:48 PM
I would love to see any FF7 stuff in an anime style - why doesn't it exist?!...

It does. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOCkOJNBA1k)

...Something like that, with a few more weird/unusual/unique takes on the music (or just get some of the jukebox versions into the main game) and trim some of the repetitive quests and backtracking, make it even more linear, and I personally probably couldn't have asked for much more within the realms of reality.

Agreed.

That said, I do think this looks incredible even if it's a more photorealistic approach.

Those PS2/early PS3 era minor NPC models though.  Oof.

This is the bit I disagree with, with reason, but I do understand your broader point about creatively safe aesthetic decisions.

But you said that I was "unarguably wrong".  I fail to see how.  It's a theory of mine and it's not one which has been disproved.  The only people who know whether my theory has any basis in reality or not, are the developers and head honchos at Square Enix.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on April 25, 2020, 05:10:53 PM
I'll say, I went back to play the original and played up to disc 2, and the battle system is so much simpler, it's a lot more complex in the remake, although certainly they could have gone for a turn-based system that built upon the original.

I like your idea for the art style though Jim Bob, I don't think it's even about them actively thinking 'let's take the "safe" route' though, I just don't think it would even occur to them to do it any other way with a remake of this budget and scale.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: popcorn on April 25, 2020, 05:15:31 PM
I never know how I feel about remakes and adaptations generally.

It feels reasonable that a remake should recapture some - most - all? - of the core elements of the original. Otherwise what's the point? If you don't keep the spirit of thing intact, it isn't a remake at all. I feel this about the Tintin movie - I don't understand why, if you were going to make an adaptation of Tintin, you wouldn't preserve the beautiful 2D illustration style of the comics, which are a defining feature.

But then that's an essentially conservative, backward-facing urge, and quickly falls into dull nerdism - insisting that nothing can change, seeing greedy corporate conspiracy in every decision. The impossible demand is to remake something in such a way that it is somehow the same as the original ''but more''.

There's also the idea that remaking anything is a fundamental waste of time, some sort of creative black hole, and I don't accept that either. Why shouldn't it be possible to end up with something worthwhile, even better than the original? Why are we accepting of cover songs but so suspicious of cover movies, cover games? There's a whole swirling mess of questions to this I can't resolve.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on April 25, 2020, 05:19:31 PM
Yeah can't really add to that, I feel the same way.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Abnormal Palm on April 25, 2020, 05:23:19 PM
It does. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOCkOJNBA1k)

But you said that I was "unarguably wrong".

Wow. Never even heard of that! Thanks. I'll watch it tonight once my missus conks out. Awesome. I'm genuinely looking forward to it, even if it's shite!

And yeah, I don't mean your preference is wrong, rather than the one point that they've started from the position of being afraid to upset anyone. I'm convinced that they have really not done that, having finished it, but apologies if my phrasing was a bit direct. If you mean purely in terms of aesthetics, I disagree, but I can't say you're wrong. Given other decisions they take, it doesn't seem consistent that they would think 'we need to play this stuff safe' yet be so subversive in ways that really get people tying the noose.



Popcorn

Great post, and some boss questions there.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Jim Bob on April 25, 2020, 05:27:04 PM
I like your idea for the art style though Jim Bob, I don't think it's even about them actively thinking 'let's take the "safe" route' though, I just don't think it would even occur to them to do it any other way with a remake of this budget and scale.

"...of this budget and scale" would tend to suggest that you do agree with my assertation that the aesthetics are a safe choice.  Why do you think it is that lower budgeted games tend to be the ones which go for a more unique and stylised aesthetic, whilst AAA games tend towards the more realistic approach to graphics?  It's preciously because publishers are risk adverse and have a fear of doing something different and when it comes to large budgets.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Thursday on April 25, 2020, 05:39:02 PM
Yes I do, but I just meant that the attitude is so ingrained it's more of an unconscious choice than a deliberate one.

Actually slightly related - to your question, here's a good video on art styles, and the desire to see more artistic styles with a big budget you might find interesting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yVs2E4aldg
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: popcorn on April 25, 2020, 05:45:19 PM
Why do you think it is that lower budgeted games tend to be the ones which go for a more unique and stylised aesthetic, whilst AAA games tend towards the more realistic approach to graphics?  It's preciously because publishers are risk adverse and have a fear of doing something different and when it comes to large budgets.

I think it's a bit more complicated than that.

Stylised aesthetics are simply technically easier and cheaper to make. If indie gamedevs could make characters look like Naughty Dog actors the indie game world would be a completely different place. It's not that the indie devs of our world would like to be making realistic games, necessarily, it's that, obviously, economic, practical and logistical matters shape and influence what gets made and what people play.

Likewise, if you're an AAA developer with a huge budget, and you're asking yourself "what sort of game can we make that others can't? what will push the medium and the technology forward?", then realism is an obvious route. There is value in creating ever-more realistic facial animations, it's not just greedy corporate suits with no imagination.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Jim Bob on April 25, 2020, 05:51:40 PM
Yes I do, but I just meant that the attitude is so ingrained it's more of an unconscious choice than a deliberate one.

Whilst I agree that the attitude is ingrained within the industry, I disagree that the aesthetic choice of the remake was an automatic one.  I don't believe for one second that one of the first things that the developers of the remake did wasn't to sit down and discuss what direction they wanted to take the aesthetics in.

I further hypothesise that the decision to go towards a more realistic aesthetic wasn't at least in part born out of a fear of taking a risk.  It's quite possible that it may have been a decision handed down by the higher ups and counter to what the developers themselves would have liked to done.  For a project on the scale and importance of a highly anticipated remake of Square's flagship title, with a AAA budget, you can be sure that the higher ups were dictating a great deal on what the developers could and couldn't do.  The executives at Square Enix would have almost certainly had to sign off any virtually every aspect of the remake.  There's no reason not to think that the graphical direction wasn't one of those aspects.

Actually slightly related - to your question, here's a good video on art styles, and the desire to see more artistic styles with a big budget you might find interesting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yVs2E4aldg

Thanks.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cloud on April 25, 2020, 09:43:45 PM
Enjoying the display of respectful disagreement and discussion in here today.  I think you're setting a good example.

I seem to remember reps from Square Enix themselves commenting over the years when asked about the possibility of a remake.  They wanted to do it when they had a few things (plenty of resources, plenty of advancement in technology since the original etc) but one of them I think was "the best possible chance of appealing to both classic and new audiences" (so when more of the oldschool players have had time to  appreciate new styles of RPG, for example).  So it'd actually have been a really difficult balancing act for them, to make sure it's accessible for the new audience they want to capture (rightly so IMO - if you only stick to appealing to the same loyal core fanbase and never try to bring in anyone new, then your audience deteriorates as people lose interest, find new things to focus on, die, etc)  but still try to embody the spirit of the original so as not to alienate those longstanding fans.

In terms of "hoping people won't hate it", well, yeah!  If that applies to too many people then they've failed at the balancing act, or even tried to have TOO broad an appeal (as the saying goes, roughly: you can please some of the people all of the time, or all of the people some of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time) and watered it down too much trying to aim for option 3. 

Newcomers, I suspect, largely aren't interested in just an upgraded version of the original, a sort of "same thing but in HD and with voice acting".  We're getting old, and things like random battles that throw you into a screen where each character takes it in turns to go and have a swipe at the monster for example, while still perfectly valid (and still the kind of thing you see on smaller handheld/mobile games) is just not what people expect to see in a modern AAA console game nowadays, which is what S-E, for good or ill, wanted to make.  They wanted to remake it as the same as it was before, a AAA mainstream console game... what we consider now to be "a handheld style game" just happened to BE what a AAA game was at the time.  The good news is the modding community has gone NUTS with the PC version of FF7 and you pretty much have the HD remake/remaster already.

Personally, though I've not finished it yet but experienced most of the game, I think they've got the balance pretty good.  (But I do know and respect that others will think differently, despite claims to the contrary).  There are a few things I'd have liked to have seen because they're fond memories of mine, like Barrett's rousing optimistic "that ain't no ordinary wire" speech when you climb out of the Wall Market.  Maybe it's just me being weird, but I thought it was an iconic moment (and yes music is important as IIRC the track changed to something "bold sounding" that perfectly capped off the scene).  However, I recognise that from a modern point of view in realistic settings (also BTW, 'realistic setting' is why I strongly doubt that Cait Sith will be riding his giant moogle in part 2, as much as I'd love to see that), trying to recreate the whole thing of a bit of hanging wire strong enough for the 3 of them to climb like a ladder probably would've been a bit of a stretch and they decided to sack it off and just have grappling guns instead.  Like, I'm over it, I get it, so fair enough.  The speech wouldn't have fit the new circumstances, so they chucked in a nice one about Cloud instead as if making up for it.

Objectively when it comes to how successful they've been in the balancing act, I suppose time will tell based on sales figures and reactions from both the oldschool and newcomer demographics.

Onward to chapter 16 now.. I imagine I'm not far from the end but it depends how much they milk out of the Shinra bit.  Arguably they could have even simplified it (you spent ages in the original just running around a room putting bits of a Midgar puzzle together!) but I imagine it'll be padded out.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Timothy on April 25, 2020, 10:19:44 PM
Quote
Newcomers, I suspect, largely aren't interested in just an upgraded version of the original, a sort of "same thing but in HD and with voice acting".  We're getting old, and things like random battles that throw you into a screen where each character takes it in turns to go and have a swipe at the monster for example, while still perfectly valid (and still the kind of thing you see on smaller handheld/mobile games) is just not what people expect to see in a modern AAA console game nowadays, which is what S-E, for good or ill, wanted to make.   

Turn based (J)RPGs are still popular. I would have preferred that over the new combat.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cloud on April 26, 2020, 12:44:24 AM
Turn based (J)RPGs are still popular. I would have preferred that over the new combat.

Understandable as I still enjoy them myself.  Question is, are they still popular as massive AAA mainstream console titles (like the original was at the time) particularly in the West?

Classic mode is supposed to be closer but never tried it, thought I'd just play it as intended.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Dewt on April 26, 2020, 01:27:40 AM
Enjoying the display of respectful disagreement and discussion in here today.  I think you're setting a good example.
Yeah this was what was happening before you started trying to moderate it you patronising cunt.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Jim Bob on April 26, 2020, 01:34:12 AM
Classic mode is supposed to be closer but never tried it, thought I'd just play it as intended.

Is it balls!  As per Collider...

Quote from: Collider
You’d be forgiven for thinking that Classic Mode in Final Fantasy VII Remake would be a return to form, a way to revisit the original playstyle just with gorgeous graphics and superb visual effects. Instead, it’s kind of a mishmash of the old style and the new, and it’s so close to “set it and forget it” mode that the game almost plays itself.

Classic Mode is the same difficulty as the game’s Easy setting; right now, the only other choice is Normal, but a harder difficulty is unlocked upon beating it once. What Classic Mode does is automate the player’s character in combat, letting the AI take over to move, guard, and attack, allowing the player themselves to work the menu commands. So, no, it’s not turn-based; you can still take control over the character at any time if you get tired of waiting for the activation bars–which are required to use abilities, spells, and even items–to fill up. But Classic Mode is really Story Mode, just dressed up in a more nostalgia-friendly name.

At best, if I'm being generous, classic mode was a minimal effort and token gesture from Square Enix to appease the turn-based fans of the original game.  At worst, it was a ploy to hoodwink old school fans into believing that they had been catered to with this remake (this is how Square Enix chose to announce the 'classic mode' on their official website (https://square-enix-games.com/en_GB/news/final-fantasy-vii-remake-classic-mode) - speaks for itself really).
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: bgmnts on April 26, 2020, 01:36:35 AM
Yeah this was what was happening before you started trying to moderate it you patronising cunt.

Bloody hell mun calm down like.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cloud on April 26, 2020, 01:40:22 AM
Ah.  That actually sounds worse - at least controlling the character gives you the feeling of progress filling the ATB bars.  They'd have been better off just having normal and hard and letting people either embrace it or move on.

I like what they did do with the materia system though, it's not quite on par with the main game (if only because it's bound to start again with each part rather than nurturing something through to Master through the whole story) but much better than the battle/skill/equipment systems in other recent FF games
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Jim Bob on April 26, 2020, 01:44:51 AM
I like what they did do with the materia system though, it's not quite on par with the main game (if only because it's bound to start again with each part rather than nurturing something through to Master through the whole story)...

They better not have the player starting anew with each episodic release!  I would have thought that they'd include the option to carry over your save from the first installment.  Then again, it may not be that easy to carry your saves over when the last installment in the remake releases in 2034 for the PS7 or whatever.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Cloud on April 26, 2020, 02:01:20 AM
They better not have the player starting anew with each episodic release!  I would have thought that they'd include the option to carry over your save from the first installment.

I'm thinking how they'd do that, as they have to take into account people who start with part 2 (either because they didn't fancy the sound of part 1 and want to jump straight to the main world, or because they're a bit dim) with them selling it as a separate game.

Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
Post by: Jim Bob on April 26, 2020, 02:24:59 AM
I'm thinking how they'd do that, as they have to take into account people who start with part 2 (either because they didn't fancy the sound of part 1 and want to jump straight to the main world, or because they're a bit dim) with them selling it as a separate game.

  • No challenge because you played part 1 and have super powerful materia and levels already and they had to cater for newbies
  • Witcher style system where you start afresh but your decisions are carried over (for the date at the golden saucer etc)
  • Add extra levels of spells (-aja, etc) and have a curved advancement system that's faster at the lower levels so newcomers "catch up" faster
  • ????

    If they go the route of allowing saves to be carried over, then I'd imagine that they'd have it so that players who are jumping straight into part 2 will be given an average amount of gear, materia and  have the characters set at a reasonable level to be able to survive through the game.  I'm pretty sure that other multi-part RPGs have already incorporated this exact system.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: bgmnts on April 26, 2020, 02:28:32 AM
    It would have been really interesting if they made it so you could switch between the real time combat system and a turn based combat system, in an options menu or maybe a choice at the start of the game.

    Seeing such a polished, modern looking game with something as antiquated yet loved as a turn based battle system would be a fun dissonance.

    And this has been done in Resident Evil remakes, they gave you the option between classic tank controls and more modern controls.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Jim Bob on April 26, 2020, 02:34:38 AM
    It would have been really interesting if they made it so you could switch between the real time combat system and a turn based combat system, in an options menu or maybe a choice at the start of the game.

    Seeing such a polished, modern looking game with something as antiquated yet loved as a turn based battle system would be a fun dissonance.

    And this has been done in Resident Evil remakes, they gave you the option between classic tank controls and more modern controls.

    It's something I've thought about a fair bit.  There's really no reason why Square Enix couldn't have included an optional turn based mode; remove enemies from the map and instead have random battles (with the classic screen dissolve) where the engine will switch to a turn based mode with a random enemy from whatever area the player is currently within.  Sure, it would have added to the development time, but it really doesn't seem to me that it would have been monumentally difficult or time consuming to implement.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Dewt on April 26, 2020, 02:46:18 AM
    As well as being difficult to implement, I think it would kill immersion.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Jim Bob on April 26, 2020, 03:11:50 AM
    As well as being difficult to implement, I think it would kill immersion.

    Aye, it wouldn't be my preferred method of including turn based battles, but at least it would be something and a significant step up from the joke that is 'classic' mode.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Abnormal Palm on April 26, 2020, 03:55:13 AM
    It would have been really interesting if they made it so you could switch between the real time combat system and a turn based combat system, in an options menu or maybe a choice at the start of the game.

    As I say, it is already both of these at the same time. The real time combat is what happens while you 'wait your turn', as opposed to simply watching and waiting to see how much damage you receive.

    It makes the combat very dynamic because there's always something you can do to mitigate damage or apply pressure while building ATB, but the most significant actions are still turn-based. I also really like how the abilities and spells require spatial awareness and timing. They don't hit simply because you selected them, you need to position yourself for maximum impact and time them so you don't get staggered out of your wind up by enemies' turns.

    It's what makes Tifa my favourite character to use, setting off a spell to apply pressure then following up close with a big combo and melee ability to stagger, then switching to the others to chain punishers. It's a pretty deep implementation of turn-based combat with the typically passive moments replaced by decent character action mechanics. Having gone back to Nier Automata recently, this shits on that system. It makes fights against regular enemies fun, whereas the pedestrian DQXI made me despair every time I heard that battle music.

    It's something I expected to be auto-combat dogshit and it's really satisfying and fun.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Timothy on April 26, 2020, 08:32:15 AM
    I enjoyed the hack n slash gameplay of FF but prefer turn bases battles. Feels much more like you achieved something after you won. And leveling up in FF7 felt pointless because the game was way too easy imo. Summoning almost felt like cheating.

    Understandable as I still enjoy them myself.  Question is, are they still popular as massive AAA mainstream console titles (like the original was at the time) particularly in the West?

    Classic mode is supposed to be closer but never tried it, thought I'd just play it as intended.

    Yes. Games like Persona, Dragon Quest and Fire Emblem sold really good in the west. Most of them also won awards.

    The new Yakuza game is also turned based.

    Think the option to play this game turn based would have made it better. Also gives it more replayability.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Timothy on April 26, 2020, 08:52:41 AM
    My final spoilerfree thoughts:

    Good

    - The game was absolutely gorgeous. One of the most beautiful games I ever played.
    - Even though I would have preferred turnbased the fighting system was mostly fun. Up until chapter 15 when I got a bit bored and ran past most enemies I enjoyed hacking and slashing and casting spells.
    - The characters are really well written. Loved to get to know them. Barrett was hilarious.
    - Voice acting and soundtrack was top notch.

    The Bad

    - This game is made for people who played the original. Seems there was a lot of fan service. As a new player a lot of stuff didn't make sense.
    - The sidequests. I played them all to unlock the trophy even though the fetch and find monsters quests were quite boring. Turns out you cant get the trophy until you finish a second playthrough. Ugh.
    - The game was too easy. Limit breaks and summoning felt like cheating.
    - The materia upgrade screen. So long and boring to upgrade everything.
    - More lineair then I anticipated.

    - The Ugly

    - The bug that made my game so dark at times I had to follow the map to know where to go.
    - The "puzzles".
    - Too much filler. Especially chapter 16 and 17 felt overlong and fatigue set in.

    All in all I enjoyed the game and am looking forward to Remake Part Two but I'd expected more from this legendary RPG.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: madhair60 on April 26, 2020, 11:32:11 AM
    I think the best option for those who want a true classic mode is the play the original on Steam with a mod or something

    Anyway this game is intermittently incredibly dull, rote stuff. When you're getting stuck into the combat it's cracking, fucking around with your materia and such is fun, pretty much every other aspect of the moment-to-moment "game play" is utterly substandard. Shitloads of forced walking, dull cutscenes with trying-too-hard voice acting, everything subtle in the original game (whether by design or the fortunate product of limitations) has been replaced with the equivalent of being grabbed and shaken by a screaming Purple Aki
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: brat-sampson on April 26, 2020, 02:16:17 PM
    I'm about 12 hours in, fought the Angel of the Slums fight and now I think I finally get the combat system. Managing pressure, who's attacking what, and with what, and at what time, while also having a good grasp of positioning means there's a lot going on, and for all these bigger fights you first have to invent a plan, and then execute, and likely execute more than once. It's actually really interesting.

    One thing is I wish after you've assessed something once you could just press a button to read its info during a fight without having to blow a move on it. It's pretty weird to know it, and have Cloud know it, but you can't see it unless you assess again. Also, not being able to change items on the fly means it's quite possible to go into a new fight and just not have what you need to be effective, meaning you might as well just go straight to retry, then change your gear before going in again. I guess being able to change everything at any time might be too OP, but this seems a bit clunky too.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Cloud on April 26, 2020, 07:24:09 PM
    If you've assessed once, press the big touchpad thing to bring up the info again, you don't have to re-assess.

    So far, I'm really liking what they've done in chapter 16, to make it incorporate a lot of the original while having it actually make sense this time.  For example expanding the character of Mayor Domino to be an Avalanche spy and revealing him as the reason you're able to snoop around the Shinra building like that was inspired IMO.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: brat-sampson on April 26, 2020, 07:26:54 PM
    If you've assessed once, press the big touchpad thing to bring up the info again, you don't have to re-assess.

    Ohhh, ok thanks! That actually makes a lot of sense.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Dewt on April 29, 2020, 10:52:49 AM
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Qlf3b9wa4s

    Good dunkey video about how shit this is
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Timothy on April 29, 2020, 11:36:19 AM
    Its not shit. Its a decent rpg. Enjoyable but no classic.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: madhair60 on April 29, 2020, 11:55:12 AM
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Qlf3b9wa4s

    Good dunkey video about how shit this is

    I've always been sceptical about Dunkey and the first few seconds of this kind of won me over
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Dewt on April 29, 2020, 12:03:43 PM
    It is also the first dunkey video I enjoyed

    Mainly because he called FF7 Remake shit
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Abnormal Palm on April 29, 2020, 12:06:40 PM
    If anyone wants me to buy them a PS4 Pro and a copy of the deluxe edition of this just say.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: madhair60 on April 29, 2020, 12:16:12 PM
    If anyone wants me to buy them a PS4 Pro and a copy of the deluxe edition of this just say.

    Yeah, please, I'll take them.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Dewt on April 29, 2020, 12:25:44 PM
    No thanks I am very rich that's why my time is too valuable to waste on this
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: imitationleather on April 29, 2020, 12:57:47 PM
    If anyone wants me to buy them a PS4 Pro and a copy of the deluxe edition of this just say.

    If I have to.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Abnormal Palm on April 29, 2020, 01:15:05 PM
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    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Dewt on April 29, 2020, 01:16:58 PM
    I don't think you're supposed to be around boys, Bosto. You've been told.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: bgmnts on April 29, 2020, 01:25:53 PM
    I actually quite like this now.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Abnormal Palm on April 29, 2020, 01:26:12 PM
    ANIMALES PRECIOSOS DEL BOSQUE EN MI LIL CASA FUCKDOWN

    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Dewt on April 29, 2020, 01:40:12 PM
    ANIMALES PRECIOSOS DEL BOSQUE EN MI LIL CASA FUCKDOWN
    Translates to "Animal Collective aren't very good" if anybody was wondering.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Cerys on April 29, 2020, 01:42:12 PM
    If anyone wants me to buy them a PS4 Pro and a copy of the deluxe edition of this just say.
    Yes, please - although I notice that you didn't say that you'd actually do it.  Not that I'm skeptical or anything.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Abnormal Palm on April 29, 2020, 01:45:01 PM
    Sorry, I actually can't afford to :(

    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Johnny Textface on April 29, 2020, 01:45:44 PM
    If anyone wants me to buy them a PS4 Pro and a copy of the deluxe edition of this just say.

    Awww go on then.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: imitationleather on April 29, 2020, 02:05:25 PM
    I'm so hyped that we're all getting Playstation 4s and a shit game for free!
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Abnormal Palm on April 29, 2020, 02:24:16 PM
    How do edit post on thes forume
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Abnormal Palm on April 29, 2020, 02:45:28 PM
    Feel like pure shit just wanna go to GOBLINS BAR
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Dewt on April 29, 2020, 03:03:56 PM
    I don't think you're supposed to be around goblins, Bosto. You've been told.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Cerys on April 29, 2020, 03:04:23 PM
    Sorry, I actually can't afford to :(

    'Sokay, neither can we.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Bazooka on April 29, 2020, 04:55:24 PM
    Translates to "Animal Collective aren't very good" if anybody was wondering.

    Please ban this lad Barry.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: madhair60 on April 29, 2020, 05:43:34 PM
    Just got a notification from Hermes that my parcel is en route, assuming this is the PS4 Pro.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Abnormal Palm on April 29, 2020, 05:44:07 PM
    Let's just say no naked flames
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Cloud on April 30, 2020, 12:40:34 AM
    Almost there. I think. Chapter 17 is a slog so far, and the bracelet that says something like "forgoes materia in favour of defence" has been a lifesaver.

    I'm at that point in FF games where you just want to get to the bloody end and think you're almost there and it goes on and on...
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Jim Bob on April 30, 2020, 01:21:11 AM
    I'm at that point in FF games where you just want to get to the bloody end and think you're almost there and it goes on and on...

    And it's still the opening section of the overall remake.  It's worth remembering that once the full remake is finished, people will be playing through this game and all of its parts in one continuous run.  Comments such as yours don't bode particularly well for that.  It may not be an immediate issue, when people are playing each installment of the remake as it comes out every few years, but great games are not games which only work in the moment.  They are games which endure and can be revisited time and time again.  There's a reason why the original Final Fantasy VII is such an enduring classic; one which can still be played and enjoyed to this day.

    I think that the ultimate result of Square Enix stretching this remake out and filling it with padding, in the name of milking it for all its worth, isn't going to reflect too kindly on the final completed package.  People are still in the honeymoon period and I suspect that critical dissent will increasingly become apparent as time goes by and people are able to stand back and reflect upon the remake, once the dust has settled and the initial excitement has subsided.

    Of course, that's not to say that there aren't great elements within the remake, much less that the game itself, as it stands at this moment, is a complete failure.  It's obviously not.  The praise the game has largely received within this thread and from the gaming community at large is testament to that.  However, it's worth noting that this is just the first part of a much larger game and that the fatigue is already setting in, even though all people have actually played so far is the opening 5 hours of FFVII, but they've spend upwards of 40 hours doing it, at which point they'd be facing off against the final boss and completing the game in the original FFVII.

    FFVII very effectively told its story across 40 hours of gameplay.  I really can't see how said story is going to be improved by stretching it out to 200+ hours and adding in a bunch of ill-fitting Kingdom Hearts style guff in an attempt to justify its length.  The comparison to Peter Jackson's bloated Hobbit movies in the review linked on the previous page is very apt, I feel.  After all, a change of scenery in the second part of this remake can only qualm the fatigue felt within the first part so much.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Abnormal Palm on April 30, 2020, 04:35:27 AM
    GOTY
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Timothy on April 30, 2020, 07:38:29 AM
    GOTY? Cyberpunk is still gonna be released this year!!!!

    I'm at that point in FF games where you just want to get to the bloody end and think you're almost there and it goes on and on...

    Chapter 15 for me.

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    t's worth remembering that once the full remake is finished, people will be playing through this game and all of its parts in one continuous run.

    It's indeed not really made to be played through all of it in one run.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Abnormal Palm on April 30, 2020, 07:40:11 AM
    Was just removing the edit bug
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Timothy on April 30, 2020, 07:44:03 AM
    Great article written by someone that never played FF7 and played the remake. Sums up a lot of my feelings about the game.

    Don't read it until you finished FF7 Remake.

    SPOILER WARNING
    https://kotaku.com/final-fantasy-vii-remakes-finale-was-wasted-on-a-newcom-1843163639
    SPOILER WARNING
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Dewt on April 30, 2020, 08:12:12 AM
    Shame he hadn't played the original because then he'd be able to write about the loss of the beauty where heady artistry meets strict limitations.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Timothy on April 30, 2020, 08:15:40 AM
    What limitations are you talking about?
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Dewt on April 30, 2020, 08:21:09 AM
    The original game. It was pushing up against hardware limitations, budget limitations, human resource limitations and time limitations, at the same time as doing something reasonably new. That's how you get most good art, isn't it?

    The remake? Standard game development techniques on hardware that facilitates it with a big budget and a moving release date.

    Ren and Stimpy on Nickelodeon versus Ren and Stimpy on Spiked.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: NoSleep on April 30, 2020, 10:40:54 AM
    Great article written by someone that never played FF7 and played the remake. Sums up a lot of my feelings about the game.

    Don't read it until you finished FF7 Remake.

    SPOILER WARNING
    https://kotaku.com/final-fantasy-vii-remakes-finale-was-wasted-on-a-newcom-1843163639
    SPOILER WARNING

    Seems like he doesn't understand the idea of a story planting seeds for later on in the plot. The kind of thing a child does when they watch a movie; "Why did he do that?"/"Who is that?", where the answer is, "You'll have to wait and see."

    Didn't he understand that it is part one of a series?
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Timothy on April 30, 2020, 10:56:16 AM
    It might seem it's just a part one but it was advertised as a standalone game.

    From Square Enix site:

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    The story of this first, standalone game in the FINAL FANTASY VII REMAKE project covers up to the party's escape from Midgar, and goes deeper into the events occurring in Midgar than the original FINAL FANTASY VII.

    It's not.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Cloud on April 30, 2020, 01:36:51 PM
    And it's still the opening section of the overall remake.  It's worth remembering that once the full remake is finished, people will be playing through this game and all of its parts in one continuous run.  Comments such as yours don't bode particularly well for that.  It may not be an immediate issue, when people are playing each installment of the remake as it comes out every few years, but great games are not games which only work in the moment.  They are games which endure and can be revisited time and time again.  There's a reason why the original Final Fantasy VII is such an enduring classic; one which can still be played and enjoyed to this day.

    To be fair the reason I tend to get like this towards the end of FF games is a desire to see what happens in the end (it's obviously something unexpected) and they have a tendency to pad out the last chapter (or dungeon in ye olde days).  But yeah I'm like 60 hours in - there's no way I'd want to play the full series in one go!  It'd have to be really good to not have me fatigued and ready to play another game by part 2.

    Quote
    I think that the ultimate result of Square Enix stretching this remake out and filling it with padding, in the name of milking it for all its worth, isn't going to reflect too kindly on the final completed package.  People are still in the honeymoon period and I suspect that critical dissent will increasingly become apparent as time goes by and people are able to stand back and reflect upon the remake, once the dust has settled and the initial excitement has subsided.

    I fear you may be right. 

    I was okay with the idea of 3 parts, with Midgar being the "particularly stretched out" one (though I was hoping that meant exploring other sectors, rather than just padding out what's already there, but I digress). 3 discs of the original translating to 3 games in the modern realistic style makes some sense at least. But now there is talk from Squeenix of doing it in smaller installments "so they can get each part out faster" (read: so they can milk it for £50*n, where n is "as big a number as possible") which is....worrying.  I could see them adding a bunch of sprawling districts and underground facilities to Junon and calling it a full game.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Abnormal Palm on April 30, 2020, 01:41:30 PM
    I'm gonna start a narrative in the next few days that the new version is better than the old one. Just a heads up if anyone wants to order a noose online. Literally gonna have people swinging off bannisters and gate posts trying to come to terms etc
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Cloud on April 30, 2020, 01:45:05 PM
    I'm gonna start a narrative in the next few days that the new version is better than the old one. Just a heads up if anyone wants to order a noose online. Literally gonna have people swinging off bannisters and gate posts trying to come to terms etc

    Haha :D

    I'll see what I think in the end but it'll probably be a balanced take. Yes some parts drag and honestly the original would be hard to beat but overall I still think it's a very good adaptation. Subject to how many parts they decide to squeeze out of it, and how much of the retconning carries on.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Abnormal Palm on April 30, 2020, 02:03:54 PM
    No chance mate, the new one is better in every way.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: NoSleep on April 30, 2020, 02:21:59 PM
    It might seem it's just a part one but it was advertised as a standalone game.

    From Square Enix site:

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    The story of this first, standalone game in the FINAL FANTASY VII REMAKE project covers up to the party's escape from Midgar, and goes deeper into the events occurring in Midgar than the original FINAL FANTASY VII.

    It's not.

    The "first" says it all, whatever they're selling this as. Why not boldly start it far into the original game otherwise? It's an introduction to a series, starts at the beginning of the story and features teasers accordingly.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: popcorn on April 30, 2020, 02:45:11 PM
    Shame he hadn't played the original because then he'd be able to write about the loss of the beauty where heady artistry meets strict limitations.

    Jesus Christ I think the lockdown is really getting to us
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Timothy on April 30, 2020, 03:07:14 PM
    No chance mate, the new one is better in every way.

    Not sure if youre trolling.... because this Remake was a decent game but nothing more then that. Cant imagine that the original isnt better considering its classic status.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Abnormal Palm on April 30, 2020, 03:53:49 PM
    I'm gonna start a narrative in the next few days that the new version is better than the old one. Just a heads up if anyone wants to order a noose online. Literally gonna have people swinging off bannisters and gate posts trying to come to terms etc

    Yeah, as above, really.

    That said, the original lacks heart and atmosphere compared to this.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Jim Bob on April 30, 2020, 04:25:09 PM
    I could see them adding a bunch of sprawling districts and underground facilities to Junon and calling it a full game.

    I've had exactly the same thought (in regards to Junon too, no less) and I strongly suspect that this is preciously what Square Enix will do; create the models and textures for Junon (or wherever), pad the shit out of it and charge full whack.  Rinse, repeat.  If I were a betting man, I'd place good money on that being the case.

    It's indeed not really made to be played through all of it in one run.

    But how will people approach the remake when all of the parts are released?  Are players expected to play the first part (Midgar) and then impose a self-restriction and wait for a year or two before starting the second part?  Gamers aren't actually renowned for their patience.  Besides, it's a narrative experience.  Players new to the world of FFVII will likely have forgotten what was happening in the story a year or two after the fact.  Square Enix should absolutely be designing this game with a mind that it will eventually be played as one whole continuous experience.  That they're not is why I don't think that time will be kind in regards to the critical response of this game.

    Corporate greed has gotten in the way of artistic vision.  This remake never should have been episodic to begin with, but if they absolutely had to go down that route, then it would have been far more sensible for them to release smaller (and cheaper) episodes, without all of the padding (so for example, the first episode would still be the Midgar section but like the original, it would still be around 5 hours of gameplay).  That way, when all of the episodes were complete, the game could still be played as one continuous experience, without any of the fatigue.

    Or they could have... you know... not been greedy, forgone the episodic model and just released the entire remake as a single game.

    That said, the original lacks heart and atmosphere compared to this.

    I don't agree with this at all.  The original game is one of the most heartfelt, atmospheric and downright charming games that I've ever played.  Having said that, you're entitled to your opinion of course.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Thursday on April 30, 2020, 04:36:08 PM
    He's just starting a narrative lads, it's not what he actually thinks.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Thursday on April 30, 2020, 04:37:00 PM
    Although actually it is true, the original can't hold a candle to this.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Jim Bob on April 30, 2020, 04:47:58 PM
    He's just starting a narrative lads, it's not what he actually thinks.

    If that is indeed the case, then I have to ask; does this thread really need a bunch of tedious trolling?
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Abnormal Palm on April 30, 2020, 04:52:55 PM
    Good point.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: madhair60 on April 30, 2020, 08:22:27 PM
    I've unplugged my PS4 because I don't want to play this anymore. I'm playing the original Saints Row instead.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Abnormal Palm on April 30, 2020, 08:36:40 PM
    I'm playing Ketsui Kizuna Jigoku Tachi, one of the greatest games of all time. Just a shame that this bent timeline prefers to play Sylvanian Families.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Dewt on April 30, 2020, 08:39:26 PM
    I want you to stop posting now.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Abnormal Palm on April 30, 2020, 10:04:06 PM
    One thing that this Remake has over the original is the modal jazz version of Tifa's Theme.

    Also, u don't have to pretend to care about lil wardrobes or lino, you can just enjoy something for real
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Dewt on April 30, 2020, 10:16:48 PM
    This isn't working for you. It's just not landing.

    I am enjoying trying to work out lil wardrobes and lino are all about though.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Abnormal Palm on April 30, 2020, 10:33:21 PM
    Great analysis by Easy Allies and Maximilian Dood here:

    https://youtu.be/Rfgw7iDZ-bo

    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: bgmnts on April 30, 2020, 11:12:59 PM
    I really like this game now, probably game of the 10s.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Cerys on May 01, 2020, 01:58:26 AM
    It's the 20s.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: bgmnts on May 01, 2020, 02:20:40 AM
    Fucking hell so it is.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Jim Bob on May 01, 2020, 04:59:18 AM
    Fucking hell so it is.

    Aye and it's certainly not the game of the 20s.  Everyone knows that was Mahjong.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Cloud on May 01, 2020, 05:01:48 PM
    Aaaaand done!  57 hours 41 minutes...and that's just how long it took to write the following walls of text no one will be arsed to read.

    In all, I'm glad it happened and despite a few trepidations will definitely be playing part 2, let me say that first.  I'm actually quite looking forward to it.  As long as we live long enough to see the other parts!  A remake was never likely to be perfect and they were never NOT going to meddle with it, so I've not gone into this with those expectations.  The meddling has its pain points that I'll get to in more detail in spoilers.  Really to be honest I wanted an exact upgraded-but-expanded version of the original story without "those other elements" (in the spoilers) but while sitting through the credits reflecting on the game and what they've done - it's obviously an effort to add some new twists and surprises for fans of the original so that we're not just sat there playing through a story we already know.  Seems fair enough and it's appreciated - the only reason I have misgivings about it is because I'm worried, because..... spoilers...

    Okay, SPOILERS for the entire game including ending PLUS the original entire game (i.e. the possible future of this game) so if you've not played both this is not for you.  I do know people who have somehow managed to remain blissfully ignorant of things that happen in the original game, which is amazing and I'd hate to be the one to break it.  By the way don't look at the thread tags.  Or most of the thread.  But anyway.


    It was exactly as I hoped in the beginning, a pretty much perfect replica of the original, tweaked and expanded here and there to make more sense in the new modern style.   

    And then it sort of diverged and sort of didn't and then it really sort of did. 

    It's like this gradient where it gets more "wrong" the further you go until the end.  First reactor - perfect.  Then it's close enough but the Dementors Whispers start appearing.  Then Sephiroth turns up early.  More Whispers.   Shinra just kind of sends a hologram instead of turning up at reactor 5, but whatever, that seems more sensible of him and I keep on dealing with it.  The extra force of the bomb turns out to be Shinra's doing and not actually the fault of Jessie/Avalanche which takes some of the weight away from the guilt Barrett and Tifa ask themselves about in some conversations that happened on the Highwind in the original, but again I think "whatever" and crack on.

    You meet Aerith properly in the church, it's exactly as I remembered and a brilliant reconstruction of that segment.  Then before too long the first signs of proper fourth wall breaking - flash-forwards about her death.  Little hints, flashes of her Holy materia falling.  I think "well okay, newcomers to FF7 won't realise it's about that so whatever" but then you think "well then it's talking to us, the people who've played the original.  What's it saying?  What does it add to the story for Cloud to have glimpses of the future?"

    From there for a while it's pretty much following the original game again, except for that moment Cait Sith appears.  Again: Newcomers probably won't think much of it even though it's technically ruining a surprise but... why?  What's the point of him showing up?

    And then more divergence.  You can do what you (well, what I) always wanted to do in the original, and get back into Sector 7 and see who survived.  And here's your first major retcon: Wedge is alive.  But, I can take this, you never did see for yourself that BW&J were dead and I did wonder through the first play of the original whether they'd turn up alive sometime.  But still, they didn't, their deaths were talked about, and this time they did.  Retcon.  Or is it.....?  Discovering early that Wedge was still alive is, but maybe in the original he survived.  Otherwise wouldn't the Whispers have something to say about it?

    Anyway that aside and in your mind you carry on to Shinra and all the rest of it.  And then it gets crazy.  Flash-forwards of Meteor and the destruction of Midgar.  All this talk about the arbiters of fate.  Barrett freaking DIES, and I think "WHAT THE HOLY FUCK? NO I WILL NOT ACCEPT THIS RETCON WITH NO BARRETT IN PART 2, SCREW IT ALL TO HELL" and then as if they heard, bam, they give him a Dementor's Kiss of Life and he's back.  And then I kind of realised just how meta this game is getting.  The arbiters of fate are YOU.  The player who's played the original, and thinks they can call the shots, and they represent a conversation between you and the writers who want to shake things up.  They humour you and bring Barrett back to life because that "wasn't his fate".  But what will they, and what will you and the characters, do when Aerith is supposed to die?  Well, isn't that the question?  It's like it's challenging you to defy "fate" and save her this time.  And maybe even stop Meteor and save Midgar while you're at it. 

    This can go one of two ways:
    1) Gets people's hopes up that they can change things but just like last time, you try to stop Meteor, you try to call out to Aerith, but you can't.  Things still go wrong, you still have some darkness to get through before anyone "lives happily ever after".  Probably the better way, but also a bit mean to dangle that extra carrot. Just let things happen like they did in the first place

    2) The story becomes about defying fate and writing yourself a new future instead of what happened in the original.  Oh bloody great. I'd have loved to do things like reviving Aerith in the original back in the day but part of that game's history is that you CANNOT, that sometimes things don't go your way, and part of 'digesting' that game is really a parallel to acceptance in the real world - things go wrong.  People die.  People you love.  You can't undo it, you can't magically "defy fate", they're dead.  This is my biggest problem with all this - the worry that they'll meddle with future instalments and let the player just be a massive Mary Sue that wins at everything and saves everyone.  Aerith survives, Midgar survives, fate is told to go do one and everyone lives happily ever after.

    So then you have all the weird parallel / future universe stuff, have exactly the fight with Sephiroth that was meant to be at the very end of the final game, and it appears to then get back to normal almost as if none of it ever happened and you just escaped Midgar like the original.  Oh apart from the weird bits where you see Zack, who you're not supposed to know about until WAY later when Sephy is screwing with your mind. Oh just... whatever.  A lot of my discomfort is, as represented by the Whispers, seeing things happen differently to what they're "supposed" to.  Oh and then Biggs is alive - well, I suppose you didn't technically check his pulse and announce that he's dead, and you did just say he was "in really bad shape, I'm sorry", but.. well, seems Barrett is destined to leave his old buddies for dead when he could have saved them :D

    So yeah the way they're taking this.  Who knows?  The Whispers / Arbiters clearly IMO represent players of the original who want things to go as they were "supposed to" but to what extent (and I wonder if Jessie is alive).  Perhaps they leave the story alone but if someone was supposed to live or die they intervene.  In which case it's saying that Biggs and Wedge survived in the original.  Which is plausible, you just never saw them.


    Other things then.....
    Just being able to see the plates above you (or the lack of one when it falls) makes a huge difference to the atmosphere, for the better.  You just kind of have to take everyone's word for it in the original.  Heck let's just say, the graphics are amazing and I can't wait to see what the wider world looks like.

    Materia system - love it, very similar to the original.  It's just a shame it's not a single game so that you can nurture a set of materia right through to the end, as there's nothing more satisfying than getting a full set of Master Materia.  I imagine they'll start you off with some basics for part 2 rather than have you wade in super powerful from your part 1 save.

    Battle system - I actually like that too.  Personal taste, I know some wanted the original turn based thing.  It's taken a few games for them to get this right - I didn't like XII with the 'gambits' thing, I didn't like XIII which was a hack-and-slash but with those weird "modes" you could set your characters to, and what I played of XV was a bit hack-and-slash too.  This finally strikes a nice balance between action and strategy, pausing to let you choose magic/actions.  Good stuff. 

    Some of the added depth was great.  Controlling Aerith and saving Marlene - that was lovely, touching, made me tear up at one point.  New characters like Marle are a nice addition.  Seeing the upper plate of sector 7 was cool.  The first part of the Shinra HQ was EXCELLENT, thanks to the inspired idea of making Mayor Domino an Avalanche plant and explaining that it's him who's enabled you to bumble around so far.  The whole Shinra section made a LOT more sense than thinking "why's this maze here?  Why's this puzzle game here?  Why am I being attacked by a robot fish centipede thing in the middle of a freaking corridor?" as before. 

    Some of the padding was shit.  Anything that has you running back and forward across platforms for hours, so particularly reactor 5 and Hojo's secret lab.  Tedious pain in the arse, both of them.

    What they did with the train graveyard was pretty good, if a little lengthy (again).  The ghost, neato.  I wondered if we'd see that guy on the chariot who you can steal a weapon from and sure enough he didn't disappoint.  I really like a little later on how they meet the ghost again and Aerith sort of calms his soul and sends him on his way back to the planet. Made me think of Yuna, which is an interesting point as Nomura commented at one time that FFX-2 and FFVII are connected (it's heavily implied in X-2 that the kid is the same Shinra, or perhaps an ancestor).

    Johnny!  Yeah a very minor character in the original but who I hoped to see fleshed out.  I don't know how much I regret it though :D

    As predicted, the battle banter gets old.  Well, apart from hearing Barrett suddenly bellowing out the victory fanfare, which is hilarious every time.  But things like "get behind me" "yep! Then I've got your back~" get a bit repetitive the 500th time you hear them.

    It's a bit quick when Shinra is killed.  It was a big moment in the original but in this one someone new to the game could blink and not realise and then wonder who the hell Rufus is.  That is, assuming Shinra IS dead - at this point who knows, anyone could turn out to be alive.

    Much like the original, it's quite thought provoking with its allegory to human induced climate change (and its ironic references to corporate greed, considering how many £50 instalments it's likely to be in).  Barrett makes some comments about the complicity of standing by being a part of it all that sort of hit home ("I feel personally attacked!" as they say on Reddit), even though in reality probably none of us will go around blowing things up to save the planet and we'll probably just carry on listening to motivating comments on video games while the world burns around us.


    Hopefully none of this sounds like I either hate it or refuse to see the worst in it, or are trying to enforce any kind of tone or narrative.  Thoughts are lengthy about the things that bug me but I don't hate them, a lot of it is "I'm worried about the direction they'll take it later" and "I'm upset on behalf of other people that they won't experience quite the same story as what I did in 1997".  Iverall I have actually thoroughly enjoyed playing it.  It got me thinking and wondering where it'll go next, rather than just being a blow by blow remake, which is arguably more interesting.

    Oh yeah the music... as others have said, a mixed bag.  I thought there were some great versions of old tracks - but also some naff ones.  I liked most of the battle remixes.

    Will I go back through the chapters and try to get all the trophies?  Hmmmmm maybe later.  I am ready to play something else for a bit.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Thursday on May 01, 2020, 05:21:28 PM
    It's really fun having finished this and having had time to dwell on it watching other people giving their thoughts as they progress through it not knowing what they're in for.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Abnormal Palm on May 01, 2020, 05:49:54 PM
    Yeah, totally agree, Thurs, and enjoyed your thoughts, Cloud. Genuinely bold stuff when people who haven't even played it are getting the Epipens out. Shows how important this game is to people, and I really respect the balls on SE. FF7 is going nowhere, perfectly fossilised forever, but FF7R has a future.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Cloud on May 01, 2020, 06:06:48 PM
    Aye they've got balls, I'll give them that!  Only time will tell where they go with it and how it'll be received when all is said and done in several years.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Thursday on May 01, 2020, 06:36:25 PM
    I've warmed to it over time actually, from what I've seen of a translated interview, they still plan to hit a lot of the same beats and locations, even though obviously some things will change, there's still no reason the likes of Junon/Costa Del Sol/Corel/Gold Saucer/Cosmo Canyon etc need to play out much differently.

    I think what they'll actually do with Aerith - is that she survives that moment, and then that can have all sorts of interesting ramifications, maybe make it look like they're going for a happier timeline - all in service of making it more devastating when she has to die at the end. Sure that "You have to die to correct the timeline" thing is cliche. But it would be really interesting to have her actually be alive for longer so you can spend more time with the character - see how she reacts at certain events. Considering her death is such a well known game spoiler, even with people who never played the original, you can't create the same impact in a remake, which is why you need to keep people guessing.

    Still think it was nonsense to have you actually fight Sephiroth at the end, just fighting the big destiny God was enough to get across the concept, but it's exciting to think about what they could do with it. Still very concerned at their ability to handle it, but even then they'll surely hit some great bits along the way when they just take from the original source material


    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Timothy on May 01, 2020, 07:03:51 PM
    Quote
    Final Fantasy 7 Remake feels like it took forever to come out, but actually, it's been on Square Enix's mind "for a very long time," according to new information found in an Ultimania book interview (translated by Twitter user aitaikimochi).

    Clarifying when the idea for the "Remake Project" started, director Tetsuya Nomura and producer Yoshinori Kitase noted that it would have came out a while ago, but the team was "short on resources" and "busy with other things." According to Nomura, this is actually the fifth installment of the "Compilation of FFVII," a term widely used by Square. The others? Advent Children, Before Crisis, Crisis Core and Dirge of Cerberus.

    While Final Fantasy VII proper is an absolute legend of a classic, a lot of folks tagged out for all of the above craziness. Advent Children is an animated film that takes some of the more insane elements of FF7 and dials them up to 11. Before Crisis is probably the silliest idea of them all: a mobile phone prequel on a now dead platform. Crisis Core is possibly the most beloved in the form of a proper PSP prequel featuring Zack, but also took many liberties with the canon established in the PSOne entry. And Dirge of Cerberus, while filling in some narrative gaps, is probably the least offensive project as it was mainly a pure action romp with fan-favorite Vincent Valentine.

    Amid making all of this, Remake was still on Kitase and Nomura's mind. Kitase explains that once the Final Fantasy series hit its 25th anniversary, the crew knew it was time to get serious. To actually hit that mark they needed to get started "as soon as possible," a process that Kitase says "got the ball rolling" at the company. Apparently the nail in the coffin was when producer Shinji Hashimoto said that he wanted to "correct some of the graphics from FFVII Advent Children [again, an animated film]." From then on, the team was assembled. For reference, the 25th anniversary of the series was held in 2012.

    So there you have it: the story of how the project began, and why it took so long to actually materialize.

    https://www.destructoid.com/final-fantasy-7-remake-director-says-that-the-new-remake-is-the-fifth-installment-of-the-vii-compilation-588813.phtml
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Timothy on May 01, 2020, 07:06:51 PM
    And

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    Thanks to the recent Ultimania book for Final Fantasy VII Remake, we're learning just how much of a little stinker director Tetsuya Nomura can be.

    Amid statements that he "can't tell us what the second meaning behind the 'Remake' title is just yet." he and producer Yoshinori Kitase recently commented vaguely on the future of the Remake project: both from a philosophical and practical perspective. While Kitaste maintains that they are keeping with the core story of the original, Nomura notes that the game "might be broken into shorter stories" so they can release it quicker.

    While Remake newcomers are probably floored at where the series could go next, folks who enjoyed the original have some idea of what's to come. While Kitase made no promises, he slighted hinted that the expectation was for VII Remake to be a trilogy: which would put the total project at $180 MSRP for about 120 hours of gameplay.

    https://www.destructoid.com/how-many-episodes-do-you-want-final-fantasy-vii-remake-to-be--588808.phtml

    All news is coming from the Ultimania book.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Dewt on May 01, 2020, 07:16:04 PM
    They[1] definitely have no idea what's coming next, right now.
     1. the people making the game
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Cloud on May 01, 2020, 08:57:09 PM
    I've warmed to it over time actually, from what I've seen of a translated interview, they still plan to hit a lot of the same beats and locations, even though obviously some things will change, there's still no reason the likes of Junon/Costa Del Sol/Corel/Gold Saucer/Cosmo Canyon etc need to play out much differently.

    Yep....

    The fact that Red immediately offers to lend a.. nose, suggests maybe the Cosmo Canyon bit will be a little different.  IIRC, in the original when they dropped out of Midgar he just bluntly said he'd go as far as home, then the CC section was a big (and very Japanese Warrior) "growing up" thing about him learning about his heroic father and basically being told to go and be a hero himself.  This time it seems he's already on board and acts heroic and mature enough.

    On the Aerith front I was wondering the same thing with the cliché of having to die to set the timeline right.  Cruel, but so was the original killing her off in the first place, so fair enough.  Whether the modern crew would have the heart given that they seemingly didn't have the heart to kill off Wedge (or later Biggs) remains to be seen, unless it's to lull players into a false sense of security about the characters.

    I think, didn't she have a few hidden lines in the original PSX code because she was originally going to be killed in the crater?  But yeah it'd be interesting to see what she really has to say to events that she wouldn't have seen before.

    Another thought occurs: that maybe she already knows.  I got the odd little feeling from her (especially when she's talking with Cloud in her garden, or later on when she's talking about living every moment) that very subtly hint she may be well aware what fate has in store for her.  There are a couple of times when she's got those kind of sad knowing eyes behind her smile.  It's extremely subtle but it follows along with the original which also seemed (in hindsight in subsequent playthroughs) to very slightly hint of an awareness as well, and she's already well known for keeping secrets like that whole thing with the Holy materia.  It's interesting, as if she believes it has to happen then she could effectively end up working against Cloud and the others.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Abnormal Palm on May 01, 2020, 09:05:39 PM
    ^ I got a very similar vibe about Aerith.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Cloud on May 01, 2020, 09:11:15 PM
    Quote
    Thanks to the recent Ultimania book for Final Fantasy VII Remake, we're learning just how much of a little stinker director Tetsuya Nomura can be.

    Heh heh... he's certainly divisive that guy....

    Quote
    Amid statements that he "can't tell us what the second meaning behind the 'Remake' title is just yet."

    Well, I think that pretty much settles it now as with the "fighting destiny to change the future" thing it has going on 'Ooh, Remake has a second meaning!' is exactly what I was thinking in those final chapters.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Cloud on May 02, 2020, 04:25:40 AM
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HNHCQ396r8

    "It's a lot like Cloud in a dress"

    (SPOILERS)


    BTW I like the addition of Anime Boy to the Corneo stuff, as well as the casting of Pokemon's Clemont as the dude who makes materia:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdx_yXQgv7E
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Cloud on May 04, 2020, 01:12:03 AM
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/danidiplacido/2020/05/02/the-big-plot-twist-of-final-fantasy-vii-remake-is-brilliantbut-i-hate-it/

    This (spoilers) echoes my take on it in a better way than I could.

    Just had a thought what would be really interesting, is if in subsequent parts they design it so you can decide whether to pursue the destiny path (be a stickler for the original canon) or not.  If "Aerith dies" is a fixed event, it's easier to accept and embrace as part of the faithful canon.  But if you're faced with a choice "do you want her to die to preserve the original course of events, even though you now have a choice?", That might be a bit different and give you something to think about.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Jim Bob on May 04, 2020, 02:52:56 AM
    Just had a thought what would be really interesting, is if in subsequent parts they design it so you can decide whether to pursue the destiny path (be a stickler for the original canon) or not.  If "Aerith dies" is a fixed event, it's easier to accept and embrace as part of the faithful canon.  But if you're faced with a choice "do you want her to die to preserve the original course of events, even though you now have a choice?", That might be a bit different and give you something to think about.

    That would be interesting but it'll never happen because it would mean Square Enix effectively doubling their workload and developing two separate scenarios based around whichever path players chose for the remainder of the game.  There's a reason why Telltale Games' The Walking Dead series would give players the choice of saving or killing a character in one episode, only to reset the status quo to the same state for all players early on in the following episode (for example, if you saved one of your party in episode 1, that same character would automatically be killed in episode 2).
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Cloud on May 04, 2020, 07:55:07 AM
    That would be interesting but it'll never happen because it would mean Square Enix effectively doubling their workload and developing two separate scenarios based around whichever path players chose for the remainder of the game.  There's a reason why Telltale Games' The Walking Dead series would give players the choice of saving or killing a character in one episode, only to reset the status quo to the same state for all players early on in the following episode (for example, if you saved one of your party in episode 1, that same character would automatically be killed in episode 2).

    You mean they wouldn't just use it as an excuse to make each part even smaller? ;)

    It does make playing in sequence a necessity though and I have my doubts whether they'd ever do that rather than support customers who are dumb enough to start with part 4 or whatever
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Abnormal Palm on May 04, 2020, 07:56:32 AM
    Vaguely spoilery for the Remake, but no specifics.

    I'm sure that 95% of the story beats will follow the original because the source material characters and locations and story are the reason why people have any interest in the Remake. All this means is that they now have licence and narrative justification to subvert expectations. Essentially, we are asking that one big question here, but it also means that they can surprise us at any moment. Having set up that tension now, they basically have to take advantage of it at some point, otherwise it will seem like a completely pointless plot development in hindsight. If they do stick exactly to the original story now, they might as well have not bothered with Ch 18. I certainly don't love how they did it (Whispers are pretty naff) but I do really like the metanarrative stuff about resistance to change and the liberation of being unshackled from expectation.

    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Timothy on May 04, 2020, 08:30:34 AM
    Quote
      Quote by Kitase on how different the #FF7R will be from the original story:

    "We’re not drastically changing the story and making it into something completely different than the original. Even though it’s a Remake, please assume the story of FF7 will continue as FF7 always has."
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Abnormal Palm on May 04, 2020, 10:36:38 AM
    Well, there it is!
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Thursday on May 05, 2020, 10:05:08 AM
    Part 2 is 10 years away

    https://www.siliconera.com/final-fantasy-vii-remake-part-2-sequel-still-in-concept-planning-stage/
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Abnormal Palm on May 05, 2020, 11:00:11 AM
    Haha great ten years of 'bring da noose'
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Cloud on May 09, 2020, 03:34:50 AM
    SPOILERS FOR EVERYTHING yadayada
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmDI0ascWdc

    This is really interesting, and if that's the way they're taking it then I think I'm on board.  Funny enough it reminds me a bit of Doki Doki Literature Club, where the one who kind of is destined to be deleted becomes self aware and does everything she can to stop it, and drops in hints that she knows.  Except Aerith being Aerith this is in the Planet and humanity's interest, not hers
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Dewt on May 09, 2020, 03:43:10 AM
    Reminds me of bad, bad game club.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Jim Bob on May 09, 2020, 04:32:05 AM
    Though I don’t care for this remake myself, I must say that I think that it’s wonderful that so many people are enjoying it.  These are dark times and any form of escapism that is enjoyed is a good thing now.  FFVII has always been one of the ultimate forms of pure escapism and I am overjoyed that said escapism may carry over to a new generation.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Dewt on May 09, 2020, 07:05:04 AM
    I resent it existing and hope it is eradicated before COVID-19.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: brat-sampson on May 09, 2020, 11:46:29 AM
    Having finished it and listened to about half of the Easy Allies spoiler mode discussion, it's fucking mind-blowing. I had my issues with parts of the game that felt padded or clunky, but overall it's a hell of an achievement. Also, I'm sure the combat system is actually fantastic, it's just that even now I don't feel confident I could hold my own in Hard Mode with no items.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Jim Bob on May 09, 2020, 02:27:52 PM
    Having finished it and listened to about half of the Easy Allies spoiler mode discussion, it's fucking mind-blowing. I had my issues with parts of the game that felt padded or clunky, but overall it's a hell of an achievement. Also, I'm sure the combat system is actually fantastic, it's just that even now I don't feel confident I could hold my own in Hard Mode with no items.

    What was your favourite part of the game, out of interest?
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: brat-sampson on May 09, 2020, 03:03:41 PM
    I really enjoyed lots of the quirky nods to the original, levers, stairs, squats, *that* boss etc. Just really nice touches that didn't need to be there but were. Otherwise, the characterisation was great, the visual recreation of so much was just spot-on, and when the combat did click, it felt fantastic. I'd try a boss a couple of times and have my as handed to me, then go back in with some re-jigged materia and change my attentions and wipe the floor with them without even needing to res. In that sense some of my favourite fights were the one-on-ones with Cloud, where you just had to focus and be careful with your actions.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Jim Bob on May 09, 2020, 03:15:39 PM
    I really enjoyed lots of the quirky nods to the original, levers, stairs, squats, *that* boss etc. Just really nice touches that didn't need to be there but were. Otherwise, the characterisation was great, the visual recreation of so much was just spot-on, and when the combat did click, it felt fantastic. I'd try a boss a couple of times and have my as handed to me, then go back in with some re-jigged materia and change my attentions and wipe the floor with them without even needing to res. In that sense some of my favourite fights were the one-on-ones with Cloud, where you just had to focus and be careful with your actions.

    Ah, nice.  Sounds cool :)
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Mobius on May 10, 2020, 03:51:08 AM
    A few hours in and enjoying this but feels like the battles are quite manic, and I keep interrupting the flow of them by pressing buttons that bring menus up. Not used to it but it’s cool
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: brat-sampson on May 10, 2020, 11:13:45 AM
    I enjoyed the combat more after watching a couple of youtube tutorials. It's that kind of game. You can probably win normal mode by just playing around and chugging potions/heals, but it'll never feel right. I mean, you don't really need videos, all the info on attacks and things can be seen in the game either in menus or by experimenting, but it helped me really get what the point was in all the different abilities.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Abnormal Palm on May 10, 2020, 11:27:55 AM
    The combat is all about sequencing/combining your special attacks to build/inflict stagger and then combine for max punishes. The hack and slash elements are there to build meter primarily so you should be cycling through characters and using their different strengths against different enemies, and trying to build everyone's meter together. If you just focus on Cloud and let the others do their thing, they will be much less effective. Couple of combos, then switch, switch, switch. It's much more involved and deeper than it first appears.

    Once you get materia which allows you to start with a certain amount of ATB, give that character the Assess materia, use it ASAP and you can quickly form a plan of how to take enemies down. More often than not, breaking limbs and so on is the best route because it nullifies certain attacks (maybe temporarily) and also causes instant stagger a lot of the time. Work on building up stagger and breaking limbs with normal attacks ideally, so you can use your meter to punish. For me, Tifa seemed to be great at building stagger and Cloud was best for punishes. I seemed to use Barret and Aerith more for crowd control and then joining in with the punishes.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Mobius on May 10, 2020, 10:19:01 PM
    Thanks lads. I've gotten a few more spells, getting more used to flicking between characters in battle. Is there a way to set your characters to like 'Tifa use heal if HP is less than 30%' or do they just do that anyway.

    God there's so much walking slow bits and stuff early on. I'm on like 'Chapter 8 now'... please tell me there is actually a World Map and exploration and it actually turns into a JRPG soon
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Dewt on May 10, 2020, 10:22:11 PM
    'Tifa use heal if HP is less than 30%' or do they just do that anyway.
    Stop trying to script Tifa you sex-pest
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: brat-sampson on May 10, 2020, 10:55:23 PM
    Thanks lads. I've gotten a few more spells, getting more used to flicking between characters in battle. Is there a way to set your characters to like 'Tifa use heal if HP is less than 30%' or do they just do that anyway.

    Mate, it's not FFXII. No, all item/ability use is manual, but it is easy to instruct any character at any point while controlling any other character with the real-time combat action essentially paused while you do so.

    God there's so much walking slow bits and stuff early on. I'm on like 'Chapter 8 now'... please tell me there is actually a World Map and exploration and it actually turns into a JRPG soon

    Hahaha. No. Chapter 9 is probably the peak for a world you experience within the game, though I did think the overall world-building (as in scale of views, realisation of sights and events, rather than just in terms of maps explorable space) was excellent.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Mobius on May 11, 2020, 02:00:55 AM
    I don’t like this chapter stuff.

    At what point do I leave the boring grey area, and when can I ride a chocobo
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Abnormal Palm on May 11, 2020, 02:42:36 AM
    Sorry if this is news but this isn't a complete remake of FF7. This is part one.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Mobius on May 11, 2020, 03:34:07 AM
    I knew that just wasn't sure where it ended. I guess I haven't played FF7 for a very long time, and am a bit more used to modern FF games where they're more open world. I keep trying to explore before moving the story along, but there just hasn't been much to do (other than some optional missions to kill some monsters) beyond push on.

    I just finished playing Persona 5 Royal which was incredible so perhaps I just need to give it more time. I just realised I'm actually only on Chapter 7. Just done some bits with lamps.

    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Abnormal Palm on May 11, 2020, 05:56:00 AM
    I would say don't wait for an open world, it's pretty linear even if you do have some areas where you can explore more.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: NoSleep on May 11, 2020, 07:37:04 AM
    Is there a way to set your characters to like 'Tifa use heal if HP is less than 30%' or do they just do that anyway.

    This was in FFXII and was called "gambits". A list of automatic commands for each character in a list where priorities (emergencies like low HP or raising KO'd colleagues) were set at the top. You could set the battles to play themselves out or (better) get everyone to follow the lead of a single character that you manually directed. You could manually override any character's gambits as well. You won new conditions that you could program as the game progressed.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Mobius on May 11, 2020, 08:09:12 AM
    Yeah gambits is what I was thinking.

    Just did the bit where you spend ages running over roofs with Aerith then ages walking really slow whilst she talks to everyone.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Timothy on May 11, 2020, 01:43:41 PM
    I don’t like this chapter stuff.

    At what point do I leave the boring grey area, and when can I ride a chocobo

    Nearly every area in the whole game is a grey area and you cant ride a chocobo. :(
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Cerys on May 12, 2020, 05:24:44 AM
    Just did the bit where you spend ages running over roofs with Aerith then ages walking really slow whilst she talks to everyone.

    Oh, gods - and it's going to be years before the bitch is dead, isn't it?
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Abnormal Palm on May 29, 2020, 05:53:14 AM
    Replaying portions of this on Hard mode, it's remarkable how robust and well balanced the combat system is. It's very engaging as a character action system, with the best bits of the turn-based strategic party dynamics reserved for people with shit reactions. It's not been said but it makes superb use of Bayonetta-style slowdown, as well. Really satisfying and exciting combat, far far beyond anything in the original game. It also changes the dynamics of the game. Where combat in the original was a necessary evil or chore in 95% of encounters, it becomes a real highlight of the Remake. Where some of the corridor battling felt a bit tiresome on Normal difficulty, every fight is a fun challenge on Hard.

    Also interesting to read that the texture loading bugs are precisely that, LoD issues with the PS4 and UE4, from memory. The actual hi-res assets exist but the PS4 gives up loading certain files in different areas. Hopefully this will be patched or even revised for the PS5.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Abnormal Palm on June 01, 2020, 12:34:56 PM
    Enjoying Xenoblade Chronicles and a few other JRPGs at the moment (Tokyo Mirage, FFX, giving Persona 5 another go) but I'm struck by how much better this is than any other modern JRPGs I've played. I guess I just prefer a linear experience these days and enjoy the tighter pacing. On my replay, it's been interesting how many of the side quests are quite tidy and fold back into each other and the main quest, as I suggested during my first play through. Even the 'padding' is pretty lean and well structured. It does require you to appreciate and enjoy the combat and various encounters as a substantial part of the game, rather than feeling they're 'in the way' of the game.

    Soundtrack is absolutely amazing, as well. Even the less immediate orchestral pieces open up much more with more familiarity. Of course, they lack the charm and personality of the PS1 sound chip but they're much better suited to a game of this cinematic scale and approach.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Misspent Boners on June 05, 2020, 06:50:00 PM
    Barrett in a nappy

    Just installed the data disk, ready to rock.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Urinal Cake on June 21, 2020, 08:43:01 AM
    This is a very good game. Combat in the end is actually the least of it's problems. The 'expansion' of the characters is the issue. I can understand the impulse but shit show us, don't tell us.

    But it's done with love and thought. Still P5R (which also goes back in time (P2) for some game mechanics and nostalgia) is game of the year so far.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Glebe on August 18, 2020, 05:17:41 PM
    I just completed the original version of Final Fantasy VIII last night (Steam on my PC). I had it for the PS1, but never got to the end. With the help of my old strategy guide and some online tips I managed to collect all the cards and beat Omega Weapon and everything.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Chedney Honks on August 18, 2020, 06:54:04 PM
    Well done, beast. What a fuckin game it still is.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Glebe on August 18, 2020, 08:29:03 PM
    Well done, beast. What a fuckin game it still is.

    When Irvine's limit break shot brought up 0 hits, I couldn't believe it. Thought I'd be struggling with Omega for awhile longer.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Sin Agog on August 18, 2020, 08:40:28 PM
    Is FFXII any good?  Had no idea there was another offline FF game on the PS2 at the time other than X and X2: the J-Pop years.  The artwork looks pretty cool, but that auto-attack style sounds a bit Clickery.  I almost never hear anyone talk about it, good or bad.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Consignia on August 18, 2020, 08:48:15 PM
    12 is quite divisive. It's very much like a MMORPG, with it's battle system. It's also high fantasy with a complex lore, unlike most of it's predecessors. Personally, I didn't have a lot of fun with it all, with the battle system too boring for and the story unengaging. But people did like, so it's worth having a nose at it to see if it's your bag. It's not a disaster of a game like 13.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Sin Agog on August 18, 2020, 09:09:04 PM
    Ta.  Might skip it then.  I'm willing to endure rote gameplay for a great story, or pure arcade goodness whose plot consists of a few grammatically dubious words on a black splash screen, but not both at once.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Cloud on August 18, 2020, 11:31:08 PM
    XII is marmite.  I hated it.  A lot of people I know loved it and said I was just thick for not following the story and reading between the lines and appreciating the subtle facets of the complex characters.

    To me it was bland with unlikeable boring characters and a forgettable story
    YMMV
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: popcorn on August 18, 2020, 11:44:08 PM
    XII is the only FF I've really enjoyed. Can't remember the story but I fancied Fran.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Sin Agog on August 18, 2020, 11:59:35 PM
    It sounds to me like FFXII might be set in a similar militarised universe to FF Tactics.  Slight tick in its favour for me 'cause I love those games- they had some of the best cut-scenes out of the whole series.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Thursday on August 19, 2020, 12:43:46 AM
    For the first two thirds the cut-scenes that are there are actually really good for Final Fantasy, well localised, much sharper, subtler writing. More morally complex and human villain.

    Then suddenly all these weird ghostly god-like things show up with very little introduction or explanation. I felt like I'd missed a huge chunk of story in the middle because I had no idea what what was happening by the end. I mean it's not unusual for them to take a turn towards the higher fantasy stuff in the final act, but it felt so undeveloped here, and all the more jarring in a game that had a much more grounded and believable world.

    Although I only played it at original release when I guess I would have been 19, so maybe I was just thick and missed it all somehow.

    But there's usually a fairly even balance of story and grinding battles in Final Fantasy games, in this one it's so weighed so much more heavily towards the grind. Even if I did like the battle system I'd still want a lot less of it, because story and characters are the main draw for me when it comes to JRPG's.

    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Cloud on August 19, 2020, 12:52:49 AM
    I think to be fair a lot of my impression was affected by the massive departure from FFX backwards.  Even X was a stepping stone between the style of VII-VIII-IX and the current generation off FF games but happened to have characters and story I loved (and that others hated, in true FF tradition)

    But those who wanted "A FFXII that acts as more of a compromise between PS1 and PS2 eras" could do well by giving Lost Odyssey a try.  It's by Sakaguchi and Uematsu after they left Square-Enix, and it shows.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: NoSleep on August 19, 2020, 07:13:30 AM
    Is FFXII any good?  Had no idea there was another offline FF game on the PS2 at the time other than X and X2: the J-Pop years.  The artwork looks pretty cool, but that auto-attack style sounds a bit Clickery.  I almost never hear anyone talk about it, good or bad.

    I think FFXII has ended up being my favourite of all the games. The original director, Yasumi Matsuno, is responsible for some of my favourite games of all time; Final Fantasy Tactics, Vagrant Story, Tactics Ogre, Ogre Battle. Unfortunately he didn't stay to complete the game, but his influence is all over it. In his version one of the other members of the team was the main character (Basch) which would have been a change for the series in having an older character at its centre. The main character (Vaan) is a bit of an add-on, inasmuch as he only seems to be along for the ride, compared to some of the others, who have far more interesting background stories and motives, but that's OK.

    I like the battle system and the increasing opportunities to tweak it as the game develops. You have control over all the characters with a kind of AI, so you can walk into a battle with a plan. You can intervene manually during battle or take manual control of one character who takes the lead and gets support from all the others (basically follow the leader), prioritise certain actions (like reviving KO'd members, or making use of enhanced abilities when HP is low). You can change it mid battle, too.

    For the first two thirds the cut-scenes that are there are actually really good for Final Fantasy, well localised, much sharper, subtler writing. More morally complex and human villain.

    Then suddenly all these weird ghostly god-like things show up with very little introduction or explanation. I felt like I'd missed a huge chunk of story in the middle because I had no idea what what was happening by the end. I mean it's not unusual for them to take a turn towards the higher fantasy stuff in the final act, but it felt so undeveloped here, and all the more jarring in a game that had a much more grounded and believable world.

    I think that's an indication of the point where Yasumi Matsuno left the project. The story has the same dynamics and depth as all his previous games, but he is at his best when he is given full reign, and with the departure of Hironobu Sakaguchi and twelve of the people who had been at work on FFXII (to Sakaguchi's new company), he found his vision of the game was getting swamped in the new team dynamic.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Consignia on September 10, 2020, 08:45:38 AM
    I finished this the other day, after getting on discount of course. I guess I'm happy to admit I was actually wrong about it, with my initial cynicism. I really enjoyed it in the end.

    Although, there are some small caveats. The thread of Kingdom Hearts bullshit around destiny and stuff feels really at odds with what is otherwise a straightforward story. There's also tons of filler to pad out what was a short segment of the original game. Hojo's lab being a particularly egregious part. It seems this is the somewhat easy section of game to adapt into this style as well, because the world tour, multi-party members aspect doesn't seem to jive well with the liner city bound Midgar.

    But otherwise it was pretty great, once I got into the battle system of course. The demo didn't leave a great impression, but it was alright once it got going although I could have done without have to manage blocking and dodging. The town roam section are pretty good and felt very much to be a Yakuza/FF cross over. The characterisation of characters is the best yet after all the complication did to mangle them from the original, and minors from the originals are well fleshed out. The monster design was also pretty spot on as well, being great modern updates of the original designs.

    It does feel good to be wrong about this stuff, similar to my inital feelings about THPS 1+2. I'm actually looking forward to seeing where this will go, and as long as they keep the destiny stuff to a minimum I honestly don't mind if it diverges significantly to the original from here or sticks to it.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: bgmnts on September 10, 2020, 08:49:35 AM
    But those who wanted "A FFXII that acts as more of a compromise between PS1 and PS2 eras" could do well by giving Lost Odyssey a try.  It's by Sakaguchi and Uematsu after they left Square-Enix, and it shows.

    Yup.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Thursday on September 10, 2020, 09:04:24 AM
    How do you play that now? Never had a 360, I know it'll probably be backwards compatible with a new Xbox, but is it on a digital store?
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: bgmnts on September 10, 2020, 09:14:49 AM
    I had it in my library of games on xbone sans disc. So I must have bought it from the digital store on that.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Cloud on September 10, 2020, 05:55:39 PM
    Yeah I have it on xbone as well, I think it might have been cheap/free at one point
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: C_Larence on January 12, 2021, 06:02:06 AM
    Got this in a recent sale. I’m only on chapter 6 or 7, but so far I have very few complaints. The combat camera sometimes goes a bit wonky, and I don’t like how townspeople just shout shit when you walk past them, especially when you’re walking with a main character who’s also talking. I find it extremely hard to focus on what they’re saying.

    Apart from those two minor issues I’m loving it. Wish they’d give IX the same treatment.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: The Culture Bunker on January 12, 2021, 01:34:33 PM
    I also bought it in the sale, and got through it the week after Christmas. I did enjoy the story, it making enough changes to the original to keep me interested and I guess the ending was enough to make me wonder where it'll go next. Seemed like they're teasing a different fate for one particular character, but I expect that'll be subverted. I did wonder how far the next game would go - they could make another whole game out of them crossing the world and picking up the rest of the party, but presumably it'll take it up to the end of (what was) Disc 1?

    The locations looked great, enjoyed the music and the voice acting was fine. Main dislike was the actual gameplay, during the fights especially, which were a bit "meh" a lot of the time.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Cerys on January 14, 2021, 04:24:55 AM
    Still haven't got this in my life.   If patience is a virtue I'm going to one hell of a heaven.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: St_Eddie on January 14, 2021, 05:03:07 AM
    Still haven't got this in my life.   If patience is a virtue I'm going to one hell of a heaven.

    Well, 7th Heaven at any rate.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Cerys on January 14, 2021, 06:16:13 AM
    Damn right.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: C_Larence on February 15, 2021, 06:10:49 PM
    I finished this the other day, after getting on discount of course. I guess I'm happy to admit I was actually wrong about it, with my initial cynicism. I really enjoyed it in the end.

    Although, there are some small caveats. The thread of Kingdom Hearts bullshit around destiny and stuff feels really at odds with what is otherwise a straightforward story. There's also tons of filler to pad out what was a short segment of the original game. Hojo's lab being a particularly egregious part. It seems this is the somewhat easy section of game to adapt into this style as well, because the world tour, multi-party members aspect doesn't seem to jive well with the liner city bound Midgar.

    But otherwise it was pretty great, once I got into the battle system of course. The demo didn't leave a great impression, but it was alright once it got going although I could have done without have to manage blocking and dodging. The town roam section are pretty good and felt very much to be a Yakuza/FF cross over. The characterisation of characters is the best yet after all the complication did to mangle them from the original, and minors from the originals are well fleshed out. The monster design was also pretty spot on as well, being great modern updates of the original designs.

    It does feel good to be wrong about this stuff, similar to my inital feelings about THPS 1+2. I'm actually looking forward to seeing where this will go, and as long as they keep the destiny stuff to a minimum I honestly don't mind if it diverges significantly to the original from here or sticks to it.

    Just finished this and came here to give my thoughts, but pretty much everything you said is what I was going to. Up until Hojo’s lab I felt this was something really special, but the last stretch is a real slog that it’s really dampened my enthusiasm for the game as a whole. I was going to go back and play it all again on hard mode but I think I’m going to play Control instead as it’s free this month.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: The Culture Bunker on February 15, 2021, 06:15:34 PM
    I did mean to say in my comment above, that I was let down by not being able to remember Aerith as the "slum drunk" when Cloud meets up with her again in the church.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Fry on April 19, 2021, 05:39:17 PM
    Finished this last night.

    My favourite game in a long, long time. It's not perfect, but the things they needed to get right they absolutely nailed. Characters, combat, world building. All brilliant. Pacing was a little off, it dragged at points and certain areas felt a bit overstuffed, but at no point do you feel like the developers tossed anything off with a "that'll do" attitude. It's a real labour of love. I feel every aspect of the original game had been studied closely and with scientific precision they've identified and extracted the essential parts as is, expanded on the areas that needed expanding upon, and everything else they've added feels like it was there in the original in some form. It's pure FF7.

    Other parts I loved:

    -Seeing the ruins of Sector 7 after Shinra dropped the plate was genuinely upsetting in a way that videogames rarely capture for me. When you're climbing up to the Shinra HQ, looking at the  tangled mountains of concrete and metal hinting at the unimaginable number of lives that have been devestated. A surprising amount of maturity for a video game, in that they didn't absolutely hit you over the head with it (too much).

    -The trip up to the top to see Jessie's family was excellent. They captured the lifeless sterility of the bougie Shinra-Employee suburbs excellently. A technically attractive but dead, soulless neighbourhood that can only exist by being built literally on the backs of an oppressed underclass and by sucking the life out of a dying planet. A pointless endeavour that costs millions of lives and produces nothing.

    -They've managed to stay away from the po-faced joylessness of Advent Children and most other latter-day Final Fantasy stuff. it's still goofy and silly in the ways it needs to be.

    -That fucking Honeybee Inn sequence was immense.

    -They've basically kept materia system the same- my favourite RPG magic system yet.

    One significant issue I have with it is the ending. My partner was watching me play through it. She's never played Final Fantasy 7 before, and knew nothing about it. She enjoyed watching me as much as I enjoyed actually playing it. She fell in love with the characters, she was heartbroken when it looked like Biggs, Wedge and Jessie had gotten got. However, because she has no connection to the original the ending left her somewhat cold. A feeling shared by me to an extent, although I could appreciate what they are trying to do. But if you're going to change the story from the original, change the story. But don't make the changed story about how the story is being changed. that's very wanker sign.

    But yeah, this got my other half to buy FF7 and play through it for the first time. She has no idea what happens to our girl. Tenner says she cries.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: C_Larence on April 20, 2021, 06:04:05 AM
    Would have agreed with all that yesterday before I spent hours fighting the hell house on hard mode with no MP. Now I hate the game
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Chedney Honks on June 10, 2021, 01:59:28 PM
    PS5 upgrade and Yuffie DLC live now. Heard they fixed the door textures and put 60fps in there.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: brat-sampson on June 10, 2021, 06:03:46 PM
    If I had a PS5.............
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: St_Eddie on June 11, 2021, 01:42:04 AM
    If I had a PS5
    I'd play games in the morning
    I'd play games in the evening
    All over this land
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Thursday on June 12, 2021, 09:06:12 AM
    Keep thinking about how brilliant and how shit this game is. I want to replay it, but they've really fucked me off with making Intergrade PS5 exclusive. I'm still not sure how it works with upgrading the PS4 version?
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Chedney Honks on June 13, 2021, 06:12:09 AM
    Keep thinking about how brilliant and how shit this game is. I want to replay it, but they've really fucked me off with making Intergrade PS5 exclusive. I'm still not sure how it works with upgrading the PS4 version?

    It's free and easy.

    The PS4 version was recently patched. Boot it up and upload your save data (new main menu option). Close game. Go to the game page, select PS5 version, download it. That's it.

    For info, Intergrade is the name of the PS5 update. INTERmission is the name of the Yuffie DLC. Of course...

    It really does look and play quite a lot better. Without the motion blur and 30fps, everything looks so much crisper and more 'physical'. The lighting and textures and effects are conspicuously great. I thought this game played really well and very smoothly on PS4 but this is proper shit off a shovel stuff.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Thursday on June 13, 2021, 09:55:00 AM
    I'm not planning on getting a PS5 anytime soon though so that's the main issue.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Chedney Honks on June 13, 2021, 10:03:23 AM
    Oh, apologies, I misread. It is shit that the DLC isn't also on PS4, typical anti-consumer shite.
    Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 - Remake
    Post by: Golden E. Pump on June 15, 2021, 12:17:06 PM
    The PS5 version is the tits. INTERmission was a fantastic DLC and I'll be playing the whole thing again on hard mode to get that sweet, sweet platinum trophy.