Terminator (2019)

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Er, not really - that's how editing works. You film a lot of extraneous stuff just in case the film would (somehow) work better with a spot of exposition or a comedy bit or whatever else, then you see what works in the editing room. When you know what your final film is going to look like, you do reshoots to cover the gaps and push it out the door.

It's no more a fluke than any good painting in the Tate is a fluke - things are adjusted and "painted over" all along the creative process. It's just a sign that Cameron is (or was) such a brilliant director that it seems so natural.

I'm fairly sure it was only a matter of running time that kept the mirror scene - with its incredibly clunky and on-the-nose dialogue - out of the final film.  If initial edits of Terminator 2 had been shorter, it would have stayed in.

I'm not interested in quibbling over use of the word 'fluke'; I'm just saying that Terminator 2 could have very easily ended up as a much stupider film, and it was pretty much a toss-of-a-coin's difference away from being significantly less of a classic movie.

[mothman]

So is this the first of a trilogy then?

Salvation was (intended to be) the first of a trilogy. Genisys likewise was also the first of another trilogy. So in answer to your question: is it likely to matter if it is..?

[mjwilson]

The Terminator franchise has never existed

Now you're talking.

[mothman]

Ah, the Butterfly Effect ending. Looper already did it.

[St_Eddie]

I'm not interested in quibbling over use of the word 'fluke'; I'm just saying that Terminator 2 could have very easily ended up as a much stupider film, and it was pretty much a toss-of-a-coin's difference away from being significantly less of a classic movie.

As someone whom does editing myself, I can categorically tell you that the process is anything but a fluke.  It's not a coin toss, it's purposeful, as much as the directorial process.

[monolith]

There's a huge amount of footage that isn't used in every movie ever made. If you use the same logic then every decent film is a fluke.

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As someone whom does editing myself, I can categorically tell you that the process is anything but a fluke.  It's not a coin toss, it's purposeful, as much as the directorial process.

I think I'm being misunderstood for some reason.  I am aware of the nuances of film and audio editing.

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There's a huge amount of footage that isn't used in every movie ever made. If you use the same logic then every decent film is a fluke.

Not really; I was talking specifically about deleted scenes where it's clear the writing isn't very good, and where their presence draws attention to the rest of the film's passable-but-borderline dialogue in a negative way.  Maybe there are further examples of exactly this; I would be interested to hear them.

Besides which, the special edition of Terminator 2 still seems to be the only version available on DVD, so it seems someone was content to give us a shit version of the film in the original's place.  This isn't as hypothetical as every decent film has a potential badly-edited one.

[Bad Ambassador]

The blu-ray contains all three versions.

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The blu-ray contains all three versions.

Somebody mentioned that upthread.  It doesn't take away from the number of years before the blu-ray finally came out, and it doesn't cater for people who lack a blu-ray player.

Anyway I'm not sure what the argument is anymore.

[Malcy]

Time this made an appearance...

https://youtube.com/watch?v=kgA8QDl1Y1M

I don't know what to think about the new one. I liked Genisys. It was what it was. Biggest fuck up in it was the fact they ended up in the Cheyenne Mountain Complex and there was no Stargate! That would have set the franchise off on an interesting course.

[Mister Six]

The Terminator franchise has never existed because of the characters, though. It's the premise that keeps it afloat; the basic 'machine vs human'and dystopian 'machines take over' scenario. The characters are almost superfluous. Their only job is not to get in the way, and ideally add to the storyline.

Disagree strongly with that. Much of the success of T2 is the interplay between John Connor and the T-800, and the transformation of Sarah Connor into an ultra-tough, loopy human pseudo-Terminator.

Every Terminator movie since then has failed to create substantially interesting characters, and every Terminator movie has fallen on its arse.

[Mister Six]

I'm fairly sure it was only a matter of running time that kept the mirror scene - with its incredibly clunky and on-the-nose dialogue - out of the final film.  If initial edits of Terminator 2 had been shorter, it would have stayed in.

What's your source on that? Why not just assume that Cameron looked at the footage and thought, "Yeah, nah, that's a bit shit, let's leave it out."?

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What's your source on that? Why not just assume that Cameron looked at the footage and thought, "Yeah, nah, that's a bit shit, let's leave it out."?

It would have been an interview around the time the special edition came out, I suspect.  I also remember him saying that all the stuff in the desert was a problem insofar as the T-1000 didn't know where they were, and there was no sense of jeopardy while they were there.  Cameron wanted to get them back into the action as soon as possible, so all the "learning how to smile" stuff for example was cut more for that reason than due to weakness of the material.

[Clownbaby]

Dunno if people have already discussed this, but I just read that Robert Patrick is possibly considering returning to the franchise, which is odd cause in the past he's never expressed an interest cause it might look naff next to his fabulous young performance.

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Playing "Fat" Joe Jetson, the man who inspired Skynet's choice of default appearance for the T-1000.


Imagine how funny it would be if the T-1000 developed a malfunction that meant it could only become a middle-aged, fat version of everyone it tries to imitate.  A mimetic roly-poly alloy, haha!

[St_Eddie]

Playing "Fat" Joe Jetson, the man who inspired Skynet's choice of default appearance for the T-1000.


Imagine how funny it would be if the T-1000 developed a malfunction that meant it could only become a middle-aged, fat version of everyone it tries to imitate.  A mimetic roly-poly alloy, haha!

I'd prefer it if the T-1000 could only transform into a giant toilet brush.

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I'd prefer it if the T-1000 could only transform into a giant toilet brush.

Would he be able to move?  More than a middle-aged, fat version of a human, at least?

[St_Eddie]

Would he be able to move?  More than a middle-aged, fat version of a human, at least?

Well, not by his own volition.  Technically he'll be moving quite a bit when someone uses him to scrub the turd streaks from the toilet bowl though.

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Well, not by his own volition.  Technically he'll move when someone uses him to scrub the turd streaks from the toilet bowl though.

You say he can transform *into* a giant toilet brush.  What is he transforming into that *from*?

[St_Eddie]

You say he can transform *into* a giant toilet brush.  What is he transforming into that *from*?

A slightly smaller toilet brush.

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A slightly smaller toilet brush.

What kind of T-1000 is this? 

John Connor: Wait a minute here. You're telling me that this thing can imitate anything it touches?

The Terminator: Anything it samples by physical contact.

John Connor: Get real, like it could disguise itself as a pack of cigarettes?

The Terminator: No, only an object of equal size.

John Connor: Then why doesn't it become a bomb or a machine gun or something to get me?

The Terminator: The T-1000 can't form complex machines. Guns and explosives have chemicals in them. Moving parts. It doesn't work that way, but it can form solid metal shapes.

John Connor: Like what?

The Terminator: Knives and stabbing weapons.

I can accept that the T-1000 has lost the ability to form solid metal shapes like knives and stabbing weapons - I can put that down to the natural ageing process.  And I can accept that it has lost the capacity to become anything other than a giant toilet brush for the same reason.  These things are fine.

I am stuck on the idea of it developing the ability to change size.  Please elaborate.

[St_Eddie]

I am stuck on the idea of it developing the ability to change size.  Please elaborate.

Different timeline, innit?  In this timeline, continuity issues are common place.

[mothman]

Didn't a T-1000 throw parts of itself made into spears, or did I imagine that?

I'd prefer it if the T-1000 could only transform into a giant toilet brush.

One has been an urinal, would that do?

[St_Eddie]

Didn't a T-1000 throw parts of itself made into spears, or did I imagine that?

Not in Terminator 2.  Perhaps in that 3D theme park ride, I can't remember.

One has been an urinal, would that do?

I forgot about that.  Ridiculous.

[thecuriousorange]

Imagine how funny it would be if the T-1000 developed a malfunction that meant it could only become a middle-aged, fat version of everyone it tries to imitate.

So they can cast Edward Furlong after all

[St_Eddie]

So they can cast Edward Furlong after all

Furlong is forlorn at your comment.

[Clownbaby]

Ohhh ouch, owwie, he is not looking good

[AsparagusTrevor]

Furlong is forlorn at your comment.

He manages to look too fat and too skinny at the same time.

[Bazooka]

Hopefully he does a Macaulay Culkin and bounces back.