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Graham Linehan Episode XVIII: Help Me Elon Muskenobi, You're My Only Hope

Started by Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse, May 03, 2022, 09:56:56 PM

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somersetchris

Be sure to set your alarm so you can avoid it: Tonight on his show Piers Morgan will be asking 'what is a woman?' to Anne Robinson.

I wonder if more than 20,000 people will tune in for this one?

somersetchris

Quote from: Martin Van Buren Stan on May 19, 2022, 01:18:44 PMFascinating to read the first few responses on the first thread in this series. Linehan was given lots of benefit of the doubt, and many posters seemed to agree with him. Blows his claim that this site has hated him for 20 years out of the water.

Yes I only joined around thread 11 so I have gone back to the original threads to catch up as there are some references I still don't get, and the phrase 'genuine concerns' does get used A LOT. Twice in the first paragraph you quoted. I guess it's more of a red flag now, as soon as someone uses that expression you know exactly where the conversation is heading. At least that's one good thing about terfs, they have such a limited set of stock phrases they're so easy to spot (same goes for anti-vax conspiracy types, they just repeat the same things over and over).

Of course Helen Staniland takes this to extreme by just repeating one sentence ad infinitum. At least the others mix it up a bit.

Barry Admin

"Genuine concerns" wasn't anywhere near as much of a cliche then for sure, I distinctly remember me and @canadagoose starting to parody it at one point. Transphobes just repeat shit without thinking about it - there's your "social contagion" right there.

The one that still really bugs me is something like "how can women fight their oppression if they can't even say woman", or something like that. You see all these derivations of it now, and none of them stand up to the slightest scrutiny, but they sound like cute little aphorisms, so everyone just cuts and pastes that shit.

Edit: had to refresh my own memory. This kind of thing, second tweet in particular. Why do they think it makes sense? Because they really believe that women are an endangered species? The stuff about transhumanism and such in that William Ferguson podcast interview is just bonkers.




somersetchris

It borders on self-parody. It's pretty much 'if you even say you're a woman these days, they throw you in jail!'

Dr Rock

'I'd like to report a violent assault. By a man.'

'A cis man? Or a trans man?'

'I don't use those terms. Ok he wasn't trans, I'll say that.'

'Right. Not much I can do really. Are you a woman? What even is a woman these days? Some people identify as attack helicopters, haha. Now get out'

Cold Meat Platter

Wait until they hear about foreign countries. They don't even use the word woman!

Mister Six

Quote from: Barry Admin on May 19, 2022, 08:36:50 PMWhy do they think it makes sense? Because they really believe that women are an endangered species?

They don't think about it at all, any more than Trumpers seriously interrogated the notion that Mexico was sending "bad dudes" up to the US to murder and rape and claim benefits. It's a catchy phrase/easy concept that reinforces and stokes their bigotry by playing on their fears while reassuring them that a figure of authority understands their "concerns" and is going to fight back on their behalf (and in exchange for their money/votes/retweets).

It's why "GC" ideology is so incoherent - it's just a collection of catchphrases rudely assembled into some kind of carapace to protect and hide the raw hatred and disgust that actually motivates their "beliefs".

Kankurette

I know I just love being challenged when I'm going for a slash.

Mister Six, I use 'they' as a gender neutral pronoun when I translate 'il' or 'er', instead of 'he'. According to GCs, this is 'woke' and ungrammatical because 'they' is always plural, even though that's horse shit. How did we get to the point where feminists are arguing AGAINST gender neutral language and the male pronoun as default?

Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse

Quote from: somersetchris on May 19, 2022, 08:12:52 PMBe sure to set your alarm so you can avoid it: Tonight on his show Piers Morgan will be asking 'what is a woman?' to Anne Robinson.

I wonder if more than 20,000 people will tune in for this one?
What is a woman? Oh,
A Hulkamaniac
She powerbombs motherfuckers into thumbtacks
People like her till they find out she's unstable
She Saboo'd your momma through a coffee table


Barry Admin

Quote from: Mister Six on May 19, 2022, 09:15:34 PMThey don't think about it at all, any more than Trumpers seriously interrogated the notion that Mexico was sending "bad dudes" up to the US to murder and rape and claim benefits. It's a catchy phrase/easy concept that reinforces and stokes their bigotry by playing on their fears while reassuring them that a figure of authority understands their "concerns" and is going to fight back on their behalf (and in exchange for their money/votes/retweets).

It's why "GC" ideology is so incoherent - it's just a collection of catchphrases rudely assembled into some kind of carapace to protect and hide the raw hatred and disgust that actually motivates their "beliefs".

Yea I think you're right. I had a bit of a deeper look as I figured people must get pushed on it at times, and is like to see how it is defended without more "thought-terminating clichés."

I ended up tracking back to a Hadley Freeman post which I think is worth sharing:




So the whole thing really just loops round on itself.

FalknerHinton

Wet Ass Ferguson has had enough (for now), though it's still all "the TRAs" fault somehow

QuoteWhich is why I have elected to step away from this for a bit because I am at the point where...well, let's just say my anger is spilling over to dangerously unhealthy levels and I find myself headed into a really dark place.

QuoteAllow me to put this another way:

While I wouldn't actually harm a trans person but if I saw one step out into traffic, about to get hit by an oncoming bus whereas I and I alone have the ability to reach out and pull them to safety it wouldn't be much of a dealbreaker for me if they just got hit by the bus.

And that's a very dark, ugly thing to think.

These TRAs really need to examine why someone like me would feel that way.

Maybe someone like you would think that way because you're a danger and need to get some professional help, William.

Nah, must be everyone else's fault. Time to take a million more selfies!

JaDanketies

Is he stealing photos or what's the score with that. I don't think Photoshop can work miracles. Maybe they're photos of him in his 20s?

frajer

Quote from: A psychopathThese TRAs really need to examine why someone like me would feel that way.

Fucking hell.

Barry Admin

Quote from: FalknerHinton on May 19, 2022, 10:50:34 PMMaybe someone like you would think that way because you're a danger and need to get some professional help, William.

Nah, must be everyone else's fault. Time to take a million more selfies!

That's mindboggling:

Quote from: William FergusonThese TRAs really need to examine why someone like me would feel that way.

I mean, the TRA's all know already. It's because he's absolutely obsessed with trans people, and has spent years and years hating them and reading everything negative he can find, and writing about them, and paying money to Linehan to read even more hate. Dude has spent years down a rabbit hole of hate and now he's wondering why he's full of anger and rage.

It happens to any group that is just founded round negativity. Look at how miserable Comedy Chat was in the past, or look at almost any fan forum - you'll find a lot of people (like I very much used to be) who get caught up in silly minutiae, and it all just breeds more and more contempt.

Mister Six

WAF is basically just unironically recreating the Eric Andre "Why would X do this?" meme, isn't he?

Obviously when you find yourself homicidally seething with hatred, the subjects of your loathing are the ones who should be questioning themselves, not you. Obviously.

Quote from: Barry Admin on May 19, 2022, 10:24:49 PMSo the whole thing really just loops round on itself.

Because there's no coherent logical throughline with their purported beliefs, so they just bounce from one unconnected catchphrase to another like a pinball.

Quote from: Kankurette on May 19, 2022, 09:28:09 PMMister Six, I use 'they' as a gender neutral pronoun when I translate 'il' or 'er', instead of 'he'. According to GCs, this is 'woke' and ungrammatical because 'they' is always plural, even though that's horse shit. How did we get to the point where feminists are arguing AGAINST gender neutral language and the male pronoun as default?

Well, to what extent are most of these people actually feminists in the sense of people engaged with actual feminist teachings and thought, and to what extent are they just people who are kind of vaguely pro-equality for cis women, but also wracked with prejudices against trans people that they'd rather justify than acknowledge, interrogate and challenge?

Quote from: JaDanketies on May 19, 2022, 11:00:18 PMIs he stealing photos or what's the score with that. I don't think Photoshop can work miracles. Maybe they're photos of him in his 20s?

I assume it's an AI face app filter. Some of them are pretty impressive these days.

WAF's obsession with them is weird though. He's like Buffalo Bill, except thankfully dressed up in pixels rather than woman-skin (for now, at least).

Who came up with being paranoid about who was in your bathrooms first? Pfft, here's lesbian punk band Tribe 8 singing about being challenged about their gender back in 1996;


When you're just repeating the lumbering dinosaur logic of 1990s US bigots, you know you're on the right side of history...

Regarding Wreaths Over Scotsman's Career, it's a damn shame; he has done some brilliant, pro-consumer work over the years, but the signs were always there that he gets obsessional to the point of blindness, and it seems to have finally swallowed him whole.

He's always been cantankerous and stubborn, to the point one game's industry advert even used the tagline "So good even that bastard Stuart Campbell liked it" back in the Amgia Power days. But it was easy to ignore that lack of social skills when it was applied to defending readers from shoddy conversions, overpriced badly programmed rubbish, or attempts by the newest owners of Commodore (whoever they were at that specific moment) to manipulate the media. His reviews, if you knew what his strict, uncompromising tastes were, could be used as an honest bellweather for whether you'd like the game too, untainted by industry payola or brand fanboyism. His work in proving slot machines were advertising randomness when they were fixing the odds was, what ever your views on gambling (I loathe it and never play) was a genuinely good thing.

But with his interest in Scottish Nationalism, it became obvious that he was starting to become unable to think outside of black and white, crippling manichaeism; everything ever was Good News for the SNP, every attempt to argue or anything different, no matter how reasonable or even just realistic, was awful and, driven by an increasingly intolerant, paranoid community, evidence of organised "Yoonism". I remember I realised at the same time both that the Wings community was no longer even seeing basic reality, as well that the Referendum was likely to be lost, when they started arguing that Westminster would just let Scotland use the British Pound... the same UK Government they were so desperate to leave because it was a genuinely shit, promise breaking bunch of malicious bastards? But genuine malicious bastards were going to let Scotland link to their currency because the SNP needed to avoid the question of economic uncertainty which was hobbling them in the polls...?

I'm not a psychiatrist, and you shouldn't try and analyise anyone at remote distance anyway, but it's hard to escape the conclusion that so many of these people who go from supposed Left Wing, Punk Rock, anti-Establishment characters go into hard right, hate filled politics is because eventually the pressure of trying to believe in an idealistic view of the world which never quite actually happens ultimately breaks them, and they have to go looking for external enemies who must be preventing the Revolution. And who better to blame than other lefties and fellow travellors? After all, you've fought with them all the time anyway, as all we leftists do, so it's just a small step towards becoming Alt Right and hating them because now you realise they're genuinely evil...  Christopher Hitchens, Julie Burchill, Susanne Moore, RevStu, Gary Glinner as you've archived so well here, heck you can go all the way back to Paul in the Bible, there's nothing so frothingly committed as a former opponent who becomes a convert to a new cause, nor more loathsome to their former allies.

I saw that with sadness as the kind of person who once took a copy of Amiga Power to Bath, to read my favourite bits near where it was written originally. But it's such a damn, damn shame to see someone you had some respect for in childhood collapse into conspiracy theorising about Trans individuals using toilets as part of a massive, sinister campaign to abuse women.

Let's have some punk that stayed true to it's principles again as a palate cleanser, shall we?


See that, TERFs? That's your side now.


DJ Bob Hoskins

I wonder if Glinner / Odolphi / etc has messaged Elon about this yet?

https://www.engadget.com/elon-musk-spacex-sexual-miisconduct-230458875.html

BC is surely abhorred by the thought of an alleged female victim's voice being silenced by a privileged male, right?

I trust he'll write a suitably scathing blog post at least. Ironically Mr Musk was just about to give BC his Twitter account back so that women need never feel silenced again.

Kankurette

And with Burchill there were always signs that she was a conservative at heart, like when she said women shouldn't play rock music and it was like trying to piss standing up.

Ex_GC

Burchill is comically awful. She would probably take that as a compliment though, she seems to love that people find her hateful

The Late Satoru Iwata

Quote from: BigotsShouldWheest on May 20, 2022, 12:05:28 AMI saw that with sadness as the kind of person who once took a copy of Amiga Power to Bath, to read my favourite bits near where it was written originally. But it's such a damn, damn shame to see someone you had some respect for in childhood collapse into conspiracy theorising about Trans individuals using toilets as part of a massive, sinister campaign to abuse women.

At least Canoe Squad have never let you down.

TommyTurnips

Quote from: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on May 19, 2022, 10:15:44 PMWhat is a woman? Oh,
A Hulkamaniac
She powerbombs motherfuckers into thumbtacks
People like her till they find out she's unstable
She Saboo'd your momma through a coffee table



Well he ain't a phoney
He'll walk up and bust a nut in your carbonara macaroni
And sit and watch you sit there and finish up the last bit
Because Shut UP Fuck OFF!

BennyHedgehog

Quote from: BigotsShouldWheest on May 20, 2022, 12:05:28 AMRegarding Wreaths Over Scotsman's Career, it's a damn shame; he has done some brilliant, pro-consumer work over the years, but the signs were always there that he gets obsessional to the point of blindness, and it seems to have finally swallowed him whole.


I hope you're not talking about the various incarnations of FairPlay

Sonny_Jim

Quote from: BigotsShouldWheest on May 20, 2022, 12:05:28 AMHis work in proving slot machines were advertising randomness when they were fixing the odds was, what ever your views on gambling (I loathe it and never play) was a genuinely good thing.
No it wasn't and I'll explain why:

I worked in the industry when this happened.  Fruit machines ALREADY DISPLAYED THE ODDS and had done so for many years, almost to the inception of them.  His whole 'case' revolved around 'I did a gamble on fruit machine emulator, used a saved state and when I gambled the other way it stitched me up'.  That's it.  No code review, no in depth examination of the odds on display.  He used an emulator that was created by enthusiasts which wasn't even accurate to a real machine, did a HI\LO gamble, went LO, lost the gamble, reloaded the save state and went HI and lost it again 'proving' nothing.

He acted like a massive fucking manbaby, screaming at anyone who would listen that the machines 'were stitching people up', when anybody who's ever played a fruitie can tell you THAT'S HOW THEY WORK.  They have a preset percentage they work towards, spread over ~1,000 games.  The official term for them is Amusement With Prizes, because that's what they are., you put money in, see some flashy lights and it gives you 72-98% of your stake back.  So if you sat down and put £1000 into a £1 a go game that advertised 72% odds, you should get back £720.  Stu didn't understand this, nor did he seem to realise there is masses of government regulation on them anyway.   By law that specific class of machine can only offer odds as low as 72% and there are other restrictions regarding stake and jackpot size.

His campaign amounted to a set of words added to every machine glass to the effect of 'odds displayed may not be the odds of a single game', the actual odds and the gameplay remained unaltered.  His work in this area didn't benefit anyone except himself and did precisely fuck all to help with gambling addiction.  If he cared that much about it, he'd be banging on about FOBT's which were and still are a genuine addiction concern.

Ex_GC

WAF's "I wouldn't save a trans person from being hit by a bus and it's the TRAs fault" comment has had 16 likes and zero pushback from GL or anyone else

Jeremy Vine and all the other celebrities are going to look like Jimmy Savile when this is all over


Barry Admin

Honestly, fuck him for trivialising the Savile abuse so frequently and for using it in this way. It's disgusting.

Ex_GC

There's a couple I know socially, am not close friends with them. One of the couple has now started posting transphobic stuff on Facebook. A few weeks ago it was an extremely transphobic meme about Lea Thomas and yesterday it was a 'Ben Shapiro destroys transgenderism' clip. Neither has gotten any likes or comments. Weird to see someone be radicalised in real time and go from memes to Ben Shapiro in a few short weeks

Should I say anything?

Mindy Simmons

Quote from: Barry Admin on May 20, 2022, 09:02:37 AMHonestly, fuck him for trivialising the Savile abuse so frequently and for using it in this way. It's disgusting.

God, this. It is just foul.

The Guppy

Quote from: Ex_GC on May 20, 2022, 09:56:49 AMThere's a couple I know socially, am not close friends with them. One of the couple has now started posting transphobic stuff on Facebook. A few weeks ago it was an extremely transphobic meme about Lea Thomas and yesterday it was a 'Ben Shapiro destroys transgenderism' clip. Neither has gotten any likes or comments. Weird to see someone be radicalised in real time and go from memes to Ben Shapiro in a few short weeks

Should I say anything?
Do you socialise with them, or just see them around sometimes? I'd probably just unfriend them, or even just unfollow to avoid awkwardness. Because people never change their minds.

Then again, you did. I'm just a coward and a cunt!

Ex_GC

Quote from: The Guppy on May 20, 2022, 10:06:04 AMDo you socialise with them, or just see them around sometimes? I'd probably just unfriend them, or even just unfollow to avoid awkwardness. Because people never change their minds.

Then again, you did. I'm just a coward and a cunt!

I did change my mind but to be fair I never once posted anything TERF-y let alone Ben Shapiro!