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Title: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Z on March 08, 2019, 01:10:48 AM
100 pages again, you know what's up
(https://statics.sportskeeda.com/editor/2018/02/c8557-1518096229-800.jpg)



Currently ignoring the mania build tbh. Ronda vs Becky vs Charlotte seems like a sure thing to me but the story sounds needlessly convoluted... I expect it to right itself in the final week or two.

Do I give a shit about anything else in the lead in? Not sure I do, well done WWE!
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 08, 2019, 01:15:53 AM
Rousey has gone full Russo!

SmackDown is still better than Raw!

Steph will be guest referee at Mania!

Will Cena face Samoa Joe?

Will WrestleMania have a better set than the last time they did a Mania at the MetLife?

(https://i.imgur.com/Ak7iCyg.jpg)

And will the Big Dog be booed against Corbin?
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on March 08, 2019, 09:14:03 AM
Becky and Rousey should keep their fight off social media. They are both bad at it.

Disappointed that Truth lost the title on SD.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: BeardFaceMan on March 08, 2019, 09:33:47 AM
That's the problem with Wrestlemania these days, all they care about is the spectacle, not the actual wrestling. Any 'special guests' or 'celebrities' been confirmed for this year yet?
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on March 08, 2019, 10:14:07 AM
That's not entirely true. The matches that are announced so far are pretty good though.

Kofi VS Bryan
Rousey VS Becky VS Charlotte
Batista VS HHH
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 08, 2019, 10:51:04 AM
Batista VS HHH

**1/4
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on March 08, 2019, 10:59:50 AM
Yeah, Batista vs HHH is not a good match. It exists only so an old man can get a win back from 14 years ago.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 08, 2019, 11:13:53 AM
AJ vs Orton should be pretty good, though I'm not bored of Orton and seem to continually bump into people who are
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on March 08, 2019, 11:29:20 AM
AJ vs Orton should be pretty good, though I'm not bored of Orton and seem to continually bump into people who are

If anyone can get an entertaining match out of Orton, it's AJ. But I'm not holding my breath.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 08, 2019, 11:37:43 AM
SEE
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on March 08, 2019, 11:40:39 AM
Well, yeah. He's boring.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 08, 2019, 11:46:50 AM
Not to me. Which I mentioned. Aaaah.

And Dave Meltzer, and other wrestlers. Funny one, Orton. I just wish he did a street urchin gimmick
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Absorb the anus burn on March 08, 2019, 11:49:34 AM
<tag> This doesn't look good for Baron Corbin. <tag>
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on March 08, 2019, 11:57:00 AM
Not to me. Which I mentioned. Aaaah.

And Dave Meltzer, and other wrestlers. Funny one, Orton. I just wish he did a street urchin gimmick

He can be entertaining. Sometimes. But not enough, and a lot of times not when it matters.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on March 08, 2019, 12:02:13 PM
Orton's the greatest wrestler in the world that I just never care about. He has the look, his timing is superb, he's a solid worker and talker, and yet there's very little he's done in his career that I was invested in.

He and AJ had a cracking match on Smackdown a couple of years ago, so I'm hopeful they will deliver at Mania. Although WWE's insistence on giving AJ's matches 'creative' finishes is a worry.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Delete Delete Delete on March 08, 2019, 12:05:26 PM
Orton is unable to reinvent himself, which stops him being more relevent. Thats what makes the likes of Jericho and Bryan true greats.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: boki on March 08, 2019, 12:14:59 PM
Randy Orton's kinda like the Gary Barlow of the graps, only with more indecent exposure.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Moribunderast on March 08, 2019, 01:09:25 PM
Randy Orton is like a massively-overpushed Lance Storm. His promos are monotone and dull but he's crisp in the ring, generally very safe and probably one of the favourite opponents of most in the locker-room because you know he'll be where he needs to and he won't hurt you. He does have an in-ring charisma that Storm never had but he's really just a safe, solid hand. I can tell he's good at his craft but I just never have any investment in him or his matches. For a guy who's been at the top or near for as long as he has, how many great matches does he have? I can honestly only think of the Cactus Jack match and maybe one or two against Christian. I liked his 'Mania match against Undertaker, too. He'll rarely have a bad match but his ceiling fairly often stops at "good". I feel like he's mostly over due to having a cool finishing move that he delivers brilliantly.

Meanwhile, I haven't engaged with New Japan in the last month or so but I think that's because I knew the New Japan Cup was incoming and that will be a busy viewing schedule to maintain. Surely the winner is either Okada or Ibushi, probably Okada. I'm fine with that - means we'll get four Okada singles matches in a short space of time and probably a final against Ibushi or Naito or ZSJ.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: An Actual Propeller on March 08, 2019, 01:14:51 PM
For somebody who is supposedly a great wrestler, Randy Orton has hardly been in any outstanding matches.  I remember the last ones against Daniel Bryan on Raw (when was this?  Five years ago?) being very good, and he had a great one against Mick Foley where he rkoed himself into thumbtacks early on, and that's about it.  I wish he'd just fuck off now tbh.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Z on March 08, 2019, 01:16:30 PM
Randy Orton is like a massively-overpushed Lance Storm.
If Lance Storm was 7 inches taller than he was (in an era when wrestlers are probably on average several inches shorter), he'd've been massively overpushed too.

Orton's very reliable in the ring but almost to the point that it actually cancels out whatever inherent charisma he's got, it just doesn't sync up right at all.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 08, 2019, 01:18:06 PM
Haha. All this because I said Styles/Orton > HHH / Batista!

Poor Orton, the nuances between his Legend Killer gimmick and his Apex Predator gimmick get lost on many.

Including himself
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: An Actual Propeller on March 08, 2019, 01:20:07 PM
Heh, reading the last couple of replies, I suspect the only thing we all might agree on is that Randy Orton is shite.

Meanwhile, I haven't engaged with New Japan in the last month or so but I think that's because I knew the New Japan Cup was incoming and that will be a busy viewing schedule to maintain. Surely the winner is either Okada or Ibushi, probably Okada. I'm fine with that - means we'll get four Okada singles matches in a short space of time and probably a final against Ibushi or Naito or ZSJ.

Caught last Wednesday's 47th Anniversary special with a barnstorming Ospreay/White main event - you should make three hours available to watch that.  Was a breeze to watch.  Also noticeable is how some of the underneath guys have improved, like Toa Henare, who I thought was shite this time last year.

I'm going for Okada vs. Ibushi in the New Japan Cup final too.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Delete Delete Delete on March 08, 2019, 01:20:44 PM
Worth it for HHH mad Biker Mum From Mars entrances.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: An Actual Propeller on March 08, 2019, 01:21:34 PM
Cannae wait to read you guys shit on HHH / Batista!

I'm guessing it'll have enough smoke and mirrors, and time, to put together summit very good indeed.  Whether I'll have enough of wrestling by that point that weekend is another matter. . .
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 08, 2019, 01:24:17 PM
I'm guessing it'll have enough smoke and mirrors, and time, to put together summit very good indeed.  Whether I'll have enough of wrestling by that point that weekend is another matter. . .

It would be a turn up. I've no idea how Batista is these days and HHH as the face is rotten for the match dynamic. Is he really going to get sympathy, selling?

Tell ye what though I am interested in it. Just think if it is actually in the top three matches of the card.. Then that's a sorry indictment.

It'll have to be fairly amazing to stand out that weekend. It's basically the antithesis of why NXT matches are generally excellent

Hope Taker doesn't have a match. Brrr.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: An Actual Propeller on March 08, 2019, 01:31:48 PM
I'm interested in watching the match - haven't seen Batista in ages, absence makes the heart grow fonder an' all that - I'm just worried it'll go 30 minutes like all HHH matches do and I'll get bored five minutes in at 3am in the morning and fall asleep.  Might constantly tweet the last Brock/Goldberg at their accounts in the hope that they'll take the hint.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Delete Delete Delete on March 08, 2019, 01:34:20 PM
Oh fuck theres going to be DX involvment too isn't there. Going into the hall of fame this year.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on March 08, 2019, 01:34:51 PM
If anyone can get an entertaining match out of Orton, it's AJ. But I'm not holding my breath.

Ali got a great match out of him on SD a few weeks back.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 08, 2019, 01:35:45 PM
Oh fuck theres going to be DX involvment too isn't there. Going into the hall of fame this year.

ARE YOU READY

No.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on March 08, 2019, 01:37:59 PM
Remember Triple H v Sting when DX and NWO got involved.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on March 08, 2019, 01:41:42 PM
Ali got a great match out of him on SD a few weeks back.

True, but that couldn't be guaranteed. That Viper always up to his old tricks. Bah gawd he's phoning it in!
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 08, 2019, 01:47:27 PM
Remember Triple H v Sting when DX and NWO got involved.

Aka the Further Death of WCW
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on March 08, 2019, 01:50:17 PM
Sting avoided WWE for so many years because he didn't trust how he would be used. 14 years after the Monday Night Wars ended and he was still right.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Delete Delete Delete on March 08, 2019, 01:53:05 PM
F-F-F-f Fourteen, Nobody recieved a Heros welcome.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on March 08, 2019, 03:57:21 PM
I think it so I’m going to say it. What you guys think about Orton I think about AJ (aka my second favourite wrestler called AJ). I can appreciate he is objectively great at what he does and it’s probabky more booking than ring work but I don’t like him, his hair, his stupid gloves, his music, his trousers or his finishing move. It’s how I think Timothy feels about Becky.

I trust you’ve all seen Randy twerking.
https://twitter.com/wrestlingsheet/status/1101923719725735936?s=21
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 08, 2019, 04:10:34 PM
I think it so I’m going to say it. What you guys think about Orton I think about AJ (aka my second favourite wrestler called AJ). I can appreciate he is objectively great at what he does and it’s probabky more booking than ring work but I don’t like him, his hair, his stupid gloves, his music, his trousers or his finishing move. It’s how I think Timothy feels about Becky.



(https://media.giphy.com/media/1L5YuA6wpKkNO/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on March 08, 2019, 04:31:39 PM
I think it so I’m going to say it. What you guys think about Orton I think about AJ (aka my second favourite wrestler called AJ). I can appreciate he is objectively great at what he does and it’s probabky more booking than ring work but I don’t like him, his hair, his stupid gloves, his music, his trousers or his finishing move. It’s how I think Timothy feels about Becky.

(https://78.media.tumblr.com/a5d35a5c43645bdb2c68daa0e41799ff/tumblr_p2ofoyqy071u1ljrzo1_540.gif)
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on March 08, 2019, 04:43:51 PM
It’s fine guys. You can have him. I wouldnt dare cheat on my Danielson.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on March 08, 2019, 04:46:34 PM
Anyway. Who’s coming to London for NJPW? I’m fucking going and it’s going to be fucking awesome. The capacity is 7500. They had about 5000 combined for last year’s sold out UK shows but they bring Okada, Tana AND Naito so hoping it will sell well.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on March 08, 2019, 04:47:43 PM
It’s fine guys. You can have him. I wouldnt dare cheat on my Danielson.

Overall, Bryan is better than AJ. No doubt.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on March 08, 2019, 04:49:33 PM
I think we all agree the recent Ronda "wrestling is fake" shit is stupid, but it's getting WWE headlines. It's on all the entertainment news and gossip websites today. Whether that translates into TV ratings remains to be seen.

Also, there are six WWE wrestlers in Twitter's top searched sportswomen:

1. Serena Williams
2. Becky Lynch
3. Naomi Osaka
4. Ronda Rousey
5. Charlotte Flair
6. Sasha Banks
7. Alexa Bliss
8. Simone Biles
9. Yuna Kim
10. Nia Jax
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Z on March 09, 2019, 12:14:12 PM
I would guess the Ronda stuff is targeted toward things like the audience for Ellen or the View, with the main goal being to soften them towards the idea of watching wrestling.

So long as they mostly keep it to twitter I think they can get away with it and I think there's a decent chance of it working okay for them tbh.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Mobius on March 10, 2019, 05:32:01 AM
New Japan Cup day 3 starts in 2.5 hours. Some really good matches on the card like Zack Sabre Jr Vs EVIL and Tetsuya Naito Vs Kota Ibushi.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on March 10, 2019, 05:23:12 PM
Tonight's Fastlane card looks so predictable that I'm worried they're going to end up doing some swerves just for the sake of it - like Mandy beating Asuka or something.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: petrilTanaka on March 10, 2019, 06:56:36 PM
can't think of tonight's PPV without thinking about nuclear submarines really
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 10, 2019, 09:18:42 PM
can't think of tonight's PPV

How to.. get ... excited

Maybe Luke Harper will interfere, my favourite current Bruiser Brody ripoff
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 10, 2019, 10:23:02 PM
Kickoff in 40 minutes innit lads?

Christ. There is no fucking way I'm staying up for Fast Lane. Too bleak for me
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on March 10, 2019, 10:30:17 PM
Andrade v Rey has been changed to a fatal four way for the US title with Joe and Truth. Seems to be on the main card now.

I actually think match quality wise this should be a good PPV. But it just seems like an unnecessary stopgap.

Kickoff is on now by the way because clocks went forward in America. PPV starts at 11pm.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 10, 2019, 10:32:11 PM
Stupid daylight savings. I have it on now!

I've only got 1.5 cans of Export left but that fatal four way actually sounds like one of the better matches on the card

Downside: something shite will be on the pre-show

Further Downside: This really is a fucking pointless PPV
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on March 10, 2019, 10:32:42 PM
Stupid daylight savings. I have it on now!

I've only got 1.5 cans of Export left but that fatal four way actually sounds like one of the better matches on the card

Downside: something shite will be on the pre-show

New Day v Rusev & Nakamura on pre-show.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 10, 2019, 10:33:06 PM
New Day v Rusev & Nakamura on pre-show.

That's worth a can of Export.

... Oh god, I'm one of the WWE Universe
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Moribunderast on March 10, 2019, 10:34:45 PM
I have the day off work and so could watch Fastlane live, yet there’s not a single match I want to see. Might catch up on the New Japan Cup. I’m very excited to see Tanahashi vs. Umino. I reckon Umino will be unreal in a year or two.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on March 10, 2019, 10:37:41 PM
I've got it on despite not caring about pretty much all of it. Lost interest now I know it is all fake.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Mobius on March 10, 2019, 10:39:19 PM
I’m very excited to see Tanahashi vs. Umino. I reckon Umino will be unreal in a year or two.

It was really good yeah, Umino has so much potential.

Naito Vs Ibushi was, unsurprisingly, excellent
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 10, 2019, 10:39:51 PM
I've got it on despite not caring about pretty much all of it. Lost interest now I know it is all fake.

Rousey has a lot to answer for


... Out walks Nakamura! Another ruined Superstar
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on March 10, 2019, 10:40:19 PM
Kickoff is on now by the way because clocks went forward in America. PPV starts at 11pm.

Bloody farmers!

Actually, this is a good thing.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 10, 2019, 10:44:21 PM
Adverts for Fast Lane during the preshow for Fast Lane
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on March 10, 2019, 10:45:50 PM
Adverts for Fast Lane during the preshow for Fast Lane

Yeah, I've been puzzled by this before; but it's for people watching on Youtube and Facebook etc.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Delete Delete Delete on March 10, 2019, 10:46:42 PM
WWE should of booked the forming of Rusev and Nakkers liek they did The Bar, best of 7 series with them beating the shit out of each other then earning each others respect, then bboked strong and win the tag titles.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on March 10, 2019, 10:46:50 PM
Shane sweating like a pig already.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 10, 2019, 10:59:39 PM
Yeah, I've been puzzled by this before; but it's for people watching on Youtube and Facebook etc.

yeah, here's Coach shilling a free trial

Do people really like WWE enough to watch this for free but not have the Network??

(I realise in Canada it's a weird situation)
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Delete Delete Delete on March 10, 2019, 11:01:26 PM
Some Cable providers, still provide the old style Pay Per Model. Its a hold over when they used to do the Free For all and Sunday Night Heats.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Delete Delete Delete on March 10, 2019, 11:03:34 PM
I like the name Cultaholic gave to Corbin, Mctyre and Lashley, 3 Man Bland.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on March 10, 2019, 11:06:41 PM
I need to see MizDad beaten up.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on March 10, 2019, 11:07:07 PM
I need to see MizDad beaten up.

Hopefully via Shane heel turn.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on March 10, 2019, 11:08:35 PM
Anyone watching WWE's youtube watch-along?
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Delete Delete Delete on March 10, 2019, 11:08:49 PM
God those Tag Belts are so UGLY.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 10, 2019, 11:11:30 PM
Some Cable providers, still provide the old style Pay Per Model. Its a hold over when they used to do the Free For all and Sunday Night Heats.

That is baffling!

These experienced oldtimer Usos letting this young upstart Shane get in some decent offence
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Delete Delete Delete on March 10, 2019, 11:13:43 PM
Shane draws his power from his magical Sneakers, remove them and hes just an ordinary man.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 10, 2019, 11:21:14 PM
Shane draws his power from his magical Sneakers, remove them and hes just an ordinary man.

Shit, if doing this much exercise and being gassed is "ordinary" I'm fucking superman!

COAST TO COAST

Woah that was a cool spot!
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on March 10, 2019, 11:22:44 PM
Shit, if doing this much exercise and being gassed is "ordinary" I'm fucking superman!

COAST TO COAST

Woah that was a cool spot!

That was a cool spot!!
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 10, 2019, 11:25:52 PM
SHANE TURNS!!!!


HOLY FUCK I'M MARKING OUT FOR SHANE

and he's being booed for beating up Miz!!
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on March 10, 2019, 11:26:19 PM
Was genuinely not expecting that. Excellent.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 10, 2019, 11:26:51 PM
Haha DECK HIS DAD, DECK HIS DAD

Dad

"That's your son" (punches fuck outta Miz)
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on March 10, 2019, 11:27:52 PM
Miz's dad is hilariously awful. I love it.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on March 10, 2019, 11:28:10 PM
Gowan Shane!
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on March 10, 2019, 11:28:26 PM
Haha DECK HIS DAD, DECK HIS DAD

Dad

They go for the big heat angle only to have a guy stood right in the front row giggling at Miz getting jumped. Ha ha.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on March 10, 2019, 11:29:12 PM
MizDad has no idea what's going on.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 10, 2019, 11:29:20 PM
They got for the big heat only to have a guy stood right in the front row giggling at Miz getting jumped. Ha ha.

Miz's dad is hilarious

There's some fuck shouting WE LOVE YOU MIZ WE LOVE YOU

Actually impressed they turned Shane heel..mostly.. on Miz!

LET'S GO MIZ
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on March 10, 2019, 11:30:12 PM
All it took was a heel turn for Shane to finally lay in those punches.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 10, 2019, 11:30:46 PM
All it took was a heel turn for Shane to finally lay in those punches.

haha. In fairness he's a McMahon - a natural heel all along
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Delete Delete Delete on March 10, 2019, 11:31:27 PM
His theme says here comes the money, of course hes a Heel, even when hes mega babyface.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 10, 2019, 11:33:39 PM
I fuckin love Drew as I saw him with ICW putting on great matches in relative obscurity but it's really hard to root for him with these fucking clowns

Here's Elias to play something in Emaj
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on March 10, 2019, 11:34:35 PM
I fuckin love Drew as I saw him with ICW putting on great matches in relative obscurity but it's really hard to root for him with these fucking clowns

Here's Elias to play something in Emaj

The worst thing about 3 Man Bland (thanks Cultaholic) is how Corbin is the leader.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on March 10, 2019, 11:35:57 PM
Nice work from Elias, until the random fucking ad break.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 10, 2019, 11:37:12 PM
Here comes Mandy Rose now. Elias sure earned his 5000 dollars
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on March 10, 2019, 11:38:42 PM
Why is Sonya in her ring gear doing her "prepared for battle" entrance? She's not in the match.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 10, 2019, 11:39:43 PM
Asuka's last PPV appearance before Backlash
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on March 10, 2019, 11:40:15 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D1VYrH_WoAA5Ygw.jpg)
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 10, 2019, 11:41:01 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D1VYrH_WoAA5Ygw.jpg)

which one is which
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on March 10, 2019, 11:41:57 PM
Is this a match anyone cares about? Aside from Horny Graves.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 10, 2019, 11:42:30 PM
I'm trying to enjoy Asuka but I don't know Mandy Rose's gimmick although she's working alright
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on March 10, 2019, 11:42:44 PM
Who should make up the members of Shane's new Mean Street Posse?
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on March 10, 2019, 11:44:52 PM
Who should make up the members of Shane's new Mean Street Posse?

Breezango.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 10, 2019, 11:45:27 PM
Who should make up the members of Shane's new Mean Street Posse?

Shane is more like the Wall Street Pussy!!

I have decided I proper fancy Mandy Rose anyway. That didn't take long
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on March 10, 2019, 11:46:13 PM
Is this a match anyone cares about? Aside from Horny Graves.

He is fucking unbearable isn't he?

This match is stupid as they shouldn't really be beating either woman at this point. Should be building both up.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on March 10, 2019, 11:46:23 PM
Breezango.

I like it!
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on March 10, 2019, 11:47:09 PM
Shane is more like the Wall Street Pussy!!

I have decided I proper fancy Mandy Rose anyway. That didn't take long

She's the third best looking woman out there. :)
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on March 10, 2019, 11:47:26 PM
Stupid finish.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on March 10, 2019, 11:47:54 PM
That was fucking terrible wasn't it?
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on March 10, 2019, 11:48:59 PM
I liked the intention but poor execution because the apron wasn't over far enough.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 10, 2019, 11:50:10 PM
She's the third best looking woman out there. :)

This is utterly pathetic but what made it click was the workrate tonight, brother!! Eh, match was still **1/8

Also already fancy the other two. For ages. And Nikki Cross and Becky and Zelina Vega and and

Anyway, shenanigans = take a drink!

Enjoying this shit so far. Even VINCE!! TRIPLE THREAT
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on March 10, 2019, 11:51:46 PM
So they took Kofi out to put him back in? Vince was convinced on the spot like that? Why not save it for Mania? Weird as fuck. Must be some shenanigans afoot.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 10, 2019, 11:53:07 PM
So they took Kofi out to put him back in? Vince was convinced on the spot like that? Why not save it for Mania? Weird as fuck. Must be some shenanigans afoot.

Shenanigans ongoing

Here comes the bar. I feel I need to hit one
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Delete Delete Delete on March 10, 2019, 11:53:23 PM
Correct.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on March 10, 2019, 11:53:53 PM
So is Kofi still in the WWE title match later or not?
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on March 10, 2019, 11:54:04 PM
Aha, okay I like this. That'll teach me for not letting things play out.

So is Kofi still in the WWE title match later or not?

Presumably Vince sending him out to the ring now and banning New Day from ringside was the ruse and this is the match he's actually getting.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on March 10, 2019, 11:54:12 PM
What the hell is going on? This is absolutely dreadful stuff.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 10, 2019, 11:54:21 PM
So is Kofi still in the WWE title match later or not?

Sounds like it, he said "this match (triple threat) moved to later", think the idea is to soften kofi up?

Tell ye what I'd mark for Kofi burying the tag division
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on March 10, 2019, 11:55:58 PM
I'm quite enjoying this. It feels like one of those attitude era show long story lines where you're not quit sure what's coming next.

So is Kofi still in the WWE title match later or not?

I'm hoping they introduce someone else into the match, like Sami Zayn (although I don't think he's ready yet).
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Delete Delete Delete on March 10, 2019, 11:56:32 PM
Its to build up the Mania match by screwing him now. I do like the idea of Angry new day ripping backsatge apart on Raw, looking for Vince.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on March 10, 2019, 11:56:59 PM
This is utterly pathetic but what made it click was the workrate tonight, brother!! Eh, match was still **1/8

Also already fancy the other two. For ages. And Nikki Cross and Becky and Zelina Vega and and

Anyway, shenanigans = take a drink!

Enjoying this shit so far. Even VINCE!! TRIPLE THREAT

Was pissed last night and told my fiance that I fancy this wrestler called Becky who has amazing arms and shoulders. She is too sharp to get jealous but now I am "the shoulder fetish pervert". Been a long day.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on March 10, 2019, 11:57:28 PM
I'm quite enjoying this. It feels like one of those attitude era show long story lines where you're not quit sure what's coming next.

Me too. Given some recent creative shake-ups, we might be seeing more of this.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on March 10, 2019, 11:58:24 PM
I'm quite enjoying this. It feels like one of those attitude era show long story lines where you're not quit sure what's coming next.

I'm hoping they introduce someone else into the match, like Sami Zayn (although I don't think he's ready yet).

Yeah they've managed to make what looked to be a predictable PPV have some sense of urgency to it.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on March 10, 2019, 11:59:40 PM
"This is boring"
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 10, 2019, 11:59:52 PM
Kofi jobs, welp#

Was pissed last night and told my fiance that I fancy this wrestler called Becky who has amazing arms and shoulders. She is too sharp to get jealous but now I am "the shoulder fetish pervert". Been a long day.

She'd understand with pix if she's worth marrying!
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on March 11, 2019, 12:00:38 AM
HHHEEEEAAAAATTTTTTT
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 11, 2019, 12:01:18 AM
This tag team has go away heat with me

Mainly the name, but still
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Delete Delete Delete on March 11, 2019, 12:02:34 AM
Nah, The Bar are great when used correctly. Check out some of the smash mouth matches they had with The Hardy Boys.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on March 11, 2019, 12:03:45 AM
Sasha Banks and Bayley are the drizzling shits at this babyface team lark. Couldn't feel more irrelevant right now.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 11, 2019, 12:04:02 AM
Nah, The Bar are great when used correctly. Check out some of the smash mouth matches they had with The Hardy Boys.

The Hug and Suck connection Del!! I like the Bar I'm not doing Pillman's gimmick

And speaking of gimmicks Elias wants another thousand bucks AND ANOTHER AD BREAK KILLS IT
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on March 11, 2019, 12:04:06 AM
I'm enjoying the "Elias recaps the show so far with insults" gimmick.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on March 11, 2019, 12:04:32 AM
Loving Elias as the Greek chorus.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on March 11, 2019, 12:04:50 AM
Elias has very nice arms and shoulders.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on March 11, 2019, 12:05:19 AM
I'm enjoying the "Elias recaps the show so far with insults" gimmick.

Yes, can of coke to creative on that one. Perfect usage.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Delete Delete Delete on March 11, 2019, 12:05:32 AM
Ha I'm enjoying this expermental booking. Its a great idea to give a whole PPV Heel heat considering the pay off is when all the Faces win at mania. I actually want to see this end now with Becky loosing, because it makes sense to help the build to mania.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 11, 2019, 12:06:43 AM
I might... even... like... Heel Shane
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on March 11, 2019, 12:06:48 AM
Ha I'm enjoying this expermental booking. Its a great idea to give a whole PPV Heel heat considering the pay off is when all the Faces win at mania. I actually want to see this end now with Becky loosing, because it makes sense to help the build to mania.

Ronda to interfere and do some legit MMA shit on her.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on March 11, 2019, 12:08:46 AM
Perhaps a surprise Ricochet & Black win here for a face pop??
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 11, 2019, 12:09:33 AM
Ronda to interfere and tweet at her
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on March 11, 2019, 12:10:27 AM
Well, Becky is the one with the twitter fingers. Ronda has the trigger fingers. Becky's bout to get bodied by a fightin'.... woman.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 11, 2019, 12:11:25 AM
Ronda will come out and say "I'm workin you" and "you should sell now" and "you should put me over" because she's doing a late WCW gimmick

... Timothy isn't here, I'm wasting my time
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on March 11, 2019, 12:22:53 AM
This is great.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on March 11, 2019, 12:25:17 AM
What the fuck was that? Awesome.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 11, 2019, 12:25:40 AM
Ricochet is such a star
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on March 11, 2019, 12:26:22 AM
Great showing from Black and Ricochet.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on March 11, 2019, 12:27:33 AM
Dawson stroking Wilder's hair. Adorable.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on March 11, 2019, 12:28:39 AM
Cole specifying how Dean Ambrose is leaving because he's not re-signing. Hmmmmm... I'm feeling this is now a work. It wasn't, but now 'tis.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Mobius on March 11, 2019, 12:29:39 AM
Ricochet is such a star

Yeah not only is he probably the best high flyer in the world he’s also insanely strong and a fantastic seller. He really is brilliant, so crisp.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on March 11, 2019, 12:31:24 AM
I think I actually loathe Carmella. Awful.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 11, 2019, 12:33:47 AM
I think I actually loathe Carmella. Awful.

I sort of like her in the sense I respect what she's trying to do and have sympathy for the stupid fucking booking they push on her constantly

Oh well, JOE JOE JOE JOE

.. Samoa Joe queers the field?
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on March 11, 2019, 12:36:47 AM
https://twitter.com/OsborneHotspur/status/1104901314247565317

Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Delete Delete Delete on March 11, 2019, 12:37:47 AM
Carmella reminds me of someones sexy trashy Aunt.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on March 11, 2019, 12:38:54 AM
Carmella reminds me of someones sexy trashy Aunt.

Aunt?
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 11, 2019, 12:41:32 AM
Carmella reminds me of someones sexy trashy Aunt.

I'd like to get to know this someone. Get real chummy. Go with them to family gatherings

This is another great match btw. The fuck? Fastlane is one of those "shit on paper, good irl" PPVs isn't it
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on March 11, 2019, 12:43:49 AM
It wasn't really shit on paper.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 11, 2019, 12:45:28 AM
It sure as fuck wasn't memorable. But that might be my addled mind

Some of it is still odd. I baulked at Rey's match being a random 4 way but here I am enjoying it!

And the Kofi stuff is just confusing but stinks of "build a babyface for mania against the odds"

JOE WINS
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on March 11, 2019, 12:45:45 AM
Furious that Truth didn't dust off the shoulder before doing the five knuckle shuffle.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on March 11, 2019, 12:46:29 AM
If they dont do Truth-Cena at Mania with Cena answering open challenge they missing a trick.

edit: they not doing it.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Delete Delete Delete on March 11, 2019, 12:48:00 AM
Truth would be great spearheading a 24/7 title defence of a hardcore title.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on March 11, 2019, 12:48:55 AM
I liked that match.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 11, 2019, 12:49:01 AM
Beth being announced as a Hall of Famer makes her sound so much older
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on March 11, 2019, 12:50:27 AM
If this match is good, I'll shit on the floor.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Delete Delete Delete on March 11, 2019, 12:51:07 AM
Time for the Samoan out house.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 11, 2019, 12:52:27 AM
If this match is good, I'll shit on the floor.

I'll hold you to that but I won't require proof

God I like Bayley and Sasha but that tag team name is just insurmountable

And I don't even want to know what Vince names were rejected for Tamina and Nia.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on March 11, 2019, 12:56:04 AM
And I don't even want to know what Vince names were rejected for Tamina and Nia.

The Fat and the Futile?
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Delete Delete Delete on March 11, 2019, 12:58:11 AM
Fat Slags?
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on March 11, 2019, 12:58:32 AM
Crowd couldn't care less about this, and it's just what these four deserve. Way to make a brand new division dead on arrival.

Fat Slags?

The Fat and the Futile?

I get they're terrible, but come on lads.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on March 11, 2019, 12:59:06 AM
Tamina can't even catch someone properly.

This division needs more Sky Pirates.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on March 11, 2019, 12:59:11 AM
Howay gentlemen.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 11, 2019, 01:00:09 AM
Tamina can't even break up a pin convincingly

The Full & Dull Connection are terrible

AND A POST MATCH SHITTY ANGLE
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on March 11, 2019, 01:02:11 AM
Go on Beth!

Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on March 11, 2019, 01:02:47 AM
I get they're terrible, but come on lads.

Hey, Vince suggested them!
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on March 11, 2019, 01:03:16 AM
Natalya's gimmick is just Everybody's Friend now.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on March 11, 2019, 01:04:03 AM
Well, there's a women's tag team feud set up that has nothing to do with the champions.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Delete Delete Delete on March 11, 2019, 01:04:13 AM
The new creative team are trying really hard tonight.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on March 11, 2019, 01:04:18 AM
Natalya's gimmick is just Everybody's Friend now.

At least Beth and Nattie were a former team I suppose.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 11, 2019, 01:05:55 AM
I rarely actually hear this commentary anymore praise to Allah Be but Graves needs to shut the fuck up for good
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on March 11, 2019, 01:06:32 AM
So Kofi isn't in the match? Okay. Good. Needs to be saved til Mania.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Mobius on March 11, 2019, 01:09:04 AM
Don't like face KO
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 11, 2019, 01:09:10 AM
So Kofi isn't in the match? Okay. Good. Needs to be saved til Mania.

I don't understand this booking at all

I expect them to swerve it back

They seem to do "face gets put through bullshit" crap for Mania builds

Upside: Found a can of Export behind my Instant Pot! (I'm doing an alcoholic "gimmick")

Edit: Wait it's a triple threat? So he IS in it?
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on March 11, 2019, 01:10:28 AM
I bet it's Sami Zayn.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on March 11, 2019, 01:10:59 AM
I rarely actually hear this commentary anymore praise to Allah Be but Graves needs to shut the fuck up for good

Can you listen to the other language audio on the Network? Be tempted to subscribe and actually give Vince my money if it meant not listening to these gobshites.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 11, 2019, 01:12:34 AM
Uhh it's Ali?

Did someone spike my Export

Can you listen to the other language audio on the Network? Be tempted to subscribe and actually give Vince my money if it meant not listening to these gobshites.

Might actually be worth learning Zhongwen

(https://i.imgur.com/RpYNXZm.png)
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on March 11, 2019, 01:13:13 AM
I don't understand this booking at all

I expect them to swerve it back

They seem to do "face gets put through bullshit" crap for Mania builds

Upside: Found a can of Export behind my Instant Pot! (I'm doing an alcoholic "gimmick")

Edit: Wait it's a triple threat? So he IS in it?

I remember watching a documentary about how a gambling addict would hide £20 notes around his house hoping that he would forget about one of them when he went to the casino so there would be one left when he got home with nowt.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 11, 2019, 01:14:16 AM
I remember watching a documentary about how a gambling addict would hide £20 notes around his house hoping that he would forget about one of them when he went to the casino so there would be one left when he got home with nowt.

I've seen a doc on cokeheads who do that

And yet I'm doing it with fucking Carlsberg Export watching FastLane

........ LIFE HAS HIT A LOW

yess WE WANT KOFI chants!
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on March 11, 2019, 01:14:20 AM
Uhh it's Ali?

Did someone spike my Export

Might actually be worth learning Zhongwen

(https://i.imgur.com/RpYNXZm.png)

No Francais? Damn. I could just about cope with French. My Japanese is nowhere near good enough yet.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on March 11, 2019, 01:14:45 AM
Good for Ali for getting a WWE Championship match. But poor Ali as he's getting booed for not being Kofi or someone more interesting.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Mobius on March 11, 2019, 01:15:48 AM
Good for Ali for getting a WWE Championship match. But poor Ali as he's getting booed for not being Kofi or someone more interesting.

There must be a swerve coming because it makes no sense to bring Ali out now. Like Rey Mysterio coming out at 30 in the rumble or something...
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 11, 2019, 01:16:10 AM
ECW three way dances > WWE triple threats

(don't tell me you wouldn't mark out at one man getting proper eliminated)
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on March 11, 2019, 01:17:26 AM
There must be a swerve coming because it makes no sense to bring Ali out now. Like Rey Mysterio coming out at 30 in the rumble or something...

Yeah they've intentionally fucked one of their main matches. Booking has been quite smart tonight, so I hope something will happen.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 11, 2019, 01:19:15 AM
Much as I love KO he's such a natural heel

Much as I fake-hate Bryan he's such a natural face

Much as I like Ali I WANT KOFI

Do I detect a SWERVE~? On the SA "|Rowdy Ringsports|" forum the poll for this PPV says "someone comes out to help Kevin"

If it's not Sami it's nobody
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on March 11, 2019, 01:21:25 AM
Quite weird seeing Daniel Bryan in a match like this after all the times crowds have shit all over matches because Bryan wasn't in them.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Delete Delete Delete on March 11, 2019, 01:21:35 AM
4 options, Sami comes out, Luke Harper comes out, New day come out. They all come out, a mega brawl breaks out, the match is throw out.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on March 11, 2019, 01:23:17 AM
New Day seems like the only option that makes sense.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 11, 2019, 01:23:29 AM
4 options, Sami comes out, Luke Harper comes out, New day come out. They all come out, a mega brawl breaks out, the match is throw out.

This poor fucker wants a clean finish and it's just not happening

Haha, imagine if Harper comes out but to help Bryan!

And then WYATT comes out! And joins with Bryan, Harper and Rowan! All those guys on the same team!

.. Nah, they wouldn't do that

Again.

.. Right?
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on March 11, 2019, 01:28:37 AM
They've got the crowd into it. Bless 'em.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 11, 2019, 01:30:07 AM
They've got me into it. Bless 'em.

YES ROWAN er gets booted

The ginger fella does some good selling.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on March 11, 2019, 01:31:16 AM
This is a great match.

What's the point of Rowan though? Has he been of any use to Bryan?
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 11, 2019, 01:31:52 AM
This is a great match.

What's the point of Rowan though? Has he been of any use to Bryan?

Good timing!
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on March 11, 2019, 01:33:01 AM
Good timing!

Didn't work though.

I meant more as a heater. He doesn't really contribute in a meaningful way.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 11, 2019, 01:34:30 AM
Didn't work though.

I meant more as a heater. He doesn't really contribute in a meaningful way.

He sort of played a role but yeah, here he comes to hand Bryan his amazing belt WOW. Liked the match though

No Harper. And what exactly are they waiting for with Wyatt?
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Delete Delete Delete on March 11, 2019, 01:35:33 AM
Ah I understand now why it was booked this way, this was just to write them selves out of Owen getting pinned and loosing his momentum.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on March 11, 2019, 01:35:54 AM
Rowan has never offered anything. He's just the latest beneficiary of wrestling's obsession with size.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on March 11, 2019, 01:37:51 AM
The Shield are main eventing? Bleugh.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 11, 2019, 01:38:02 AM
this PPV is fucking flying, they really doing Becky's match now?

Look lads, not to crass this up, but her voice in my head whispering filthy fucking things got her over

"get a fookin joab"
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on March 11, 2019, 01:39:04 AM
The Shield are main eventing? Bleugh.

Good. I'm tired and can go to bed after this. How long is this show meant to be 3 hours? 4 hours? Have we got two long matches left or a quick 20 mins?
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on March 11, 2019, 01:39:40 AM
The Shield are main eventing? Bleugh.

Roman's first match back innit.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on March 11, 2019, 01:40:37 AM
Roman's first match back innit.

3 Man Bland though.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 11, 2019, 01:41:48 AM
Good. I'm tired and can go to bed after this. How long is this show meant to be 3 hours? 4 hours? Have we got two long matches left or a quick 20 mins?

Surely it can't be more than an hour?

I REALLY didn't plan on watching this but 1) no job and 2) the idea of waking up tomorrow, sighing, and putting on the fucking Shield match on its own is very, very bleak

Charlotte looks fucking good. God I'm tired (not that she doesn't - I'm just usually way more guarded!)
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on March 11, 2019, 01:44:18 AM
If Becky's crutch isn't a ruse and she starts no selling the leg in this match then I'm going to write a letter!
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 11, 2019, 01:46:49 AM
FUCK HER UP BECKY
CLAP CLAP CLAPCLAPCLAP

She is selling the leg tho ya doity cunt ye

LOVE the trash talking
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on March 11, 2019, 01:50:25 AM
They need to get rid of the leg injury before Mania.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 11, 2019, 01:53:23 AM
I really see them doing a Bryan @ WM30 with some bullshit qualifier deal, and some injury for the whole show, just to make the heel tap out at the end

I'd just say that heel is Charlotte and they'd either pin Rousey or more likely she kicks ass but doesn't lose to keep her strong for a return

And HERE COMES ROUSEY to give Becky the SHENANIGANS win

Stupid af but does at least, I guess, book heat between Charlotte and Rousey
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on March 11, 2019, 01:57:18 AM
Clunk.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 11, 2019, 01:57:46 AM
Haha Elias for his major chord bullshit to pad out this

I'd rather he learn to wrestle as amusing as he is

though this cheap heat song is pathetic
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 11, 2019, 01:59:57 AM
Cor Lacey Evans

But why???
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on March 11, 2019, 02:00:32 AM
They should do a subtle storytelling were he gets slowly better at the guitar each week.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on March 11, 2019, 02:01:28 AM
Enjoyed that little Orton and AJ bit,
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 11, 2019, 02:02:07 AM
Cor Orton (if I don't like him, no one will)

Cor Styles. Good stuff!

But wtf was that entire segment. I think they realised they ran outta time

Also lol humming you hate AJ!! In fuckin lime green I can't blame you
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on March 11, 2019, 02:02:19 AM
Can’t believe they’ve had to crowbar AJ Styles into this PPV. Going into Mania in a nothing feud with Orton. Shame.

Also that Becky/Charlotte/Ronda stuff was bollocks. How are they fucking this up so badly?
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 11, 2019, 02:05:06 AM
Can’t believe they’ve had to crowbar AJ Styles into this PPV. Going into Mania in a nothing feud with Orton. Shame.

I stand by them having a good match even if you don't (we don't need another debate aboot it as I'm outnumbered) but was surprised in the preshow they lampshaded AJ, saying literally "so AJ what happened, you were champion, now this?"

He better have a run around the corner again

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Also that Becky/Charlotte/Ronda stuff was bollocks. How are they fucking this up so badly?

My theory is when talent gets over Vince + writers get so antsy and insecure they pile in and ruin it

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They're selling Dean leaving WAY too much
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on March 11, 2019, 02:05:27 AM
They should have just had Ronda come out as soon as the match started and beat Becky down for DQ win. Would have been a continuation of last week and been short and sweet. That match with Becky on one leg as not good enough to excite me for a Mania main event.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 11, 2019, 02:11:17 AM
They should have just had Ronda come out as soon as the match started and beat Becky down for DQ win. Would have been a continuation of last week and been short and sweet. That match with Becky on one leg as not good enough to excite me for a Mania main event.

As shitty as it meant for the match I do appreciate the vague build and interference as it cost Charlotte the win to build her involvement but yeah with some good booking that could have been done at the start?

It was a nothing match considering we all knew the outcome

Anyway, Drew coming out is the best part of the 3 Man Bland!

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My marking mood is over but I am liking the Shield coming out like this
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on March 11, 2019, 02:13:48 AM
They're selling Dean leaving WAY too much

Yep, suspicious.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 11, 2019, 02:18:56 AM
I don't like how Drew is taking a lot of the punishment. They should build him as a hardcore killer.

Though he is by far the best worker on his shitty team so

Edit: a tag later and he's still Mr Workrate for The 3 Man Bland. Liking Ambrose!
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Moribunderast on March 11, 2019, 02:23:21 AM
I ended up watching bits and bobs of this show as I left it on while doing housework (I love how I feel like I have to qualify why I was watching WWE - like it's a deeply shameful thing) and I'll say the Bryan match was great, especially in lieu of them being handicapped by the booking killing the crowd for the first half. The Becky/Charlotte finish though... woof. Do any of these sitcom writers or Vince understand that an antagonist needs agency and should be the source of their own triumph? Becky in this storyline now is just a ragdoll, having her future dictated first by Vince and now by Ronda. And how on Earth did they miss the easiest pop of the night by not having Becky proudly drop the crutch and reveal her knee was healed at the start of the match? Instead she just gets beaten up and is about to lose before Ronda SHOOTS and graciously allows her into the Mania Match.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 11, 2019, 02:26:23 AM
I ended up watching bits and bobs of this show as I left it on while doing housework (I love how I feel like I have to qualify why I was watching WWE - like it's a deeply shameful thing) and I'll say the Bryan match was great, especially in lieu of them being handicapped by the booking killing the crowd for the first half. The Becky/Charlotte finish though... woof. Do any of these sitcom writers or Vince understand that an antagonist needs agency and should be the source of their own triumph? Becky in this storyline now is just a ragdoll, having her future dictated first by Vince and now by Ronda. And how on Earth did they miss the easiest pop of the night by not having Becky proudly drop the crutch and reveal her knee was healed at the start of the match? Instead she just gets beaten up and is about to lose before Ronda SHOOTS and graciously allows her into the Mania Match.

The sad thing is I think it's pretty obvious the direction overall has improved in the past few weeks

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Shield selling is fucking dull
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on March 11, 2019, 02:28:25 AM
I don't like how Drew is taking a lot of the punishment. They should build him as a hardcore killer.

Though he is by far the best worker on his shitty team so

Edit: a tag later and he's still Mr Workrate for The 3 Man Bland. Liking Ambrose!

Don't discredit Lashley.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 11, 2019, 02:29:51 AM
Don't discredit Lashley.

He's not Corbin bad - woah that would be a slur - but he's not Drew good

Plus I already explained a heavy Drew bias!

I really, really don't understand what they see and plan with Corbin.

Roman takes a corner post shoulder bump  - DRINK
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on March 11, 2019, 02:33:25 AM
This is like a classic Shield match.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 11, 2019, 02:35:13 AM
It ain't bad at all but it doesn't feel as "big" as a Shield match should

Roman to get the pin in about ooh four minutes
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on March 11, 2019, 02:38:24 AM
It ain't bad at all but it doesn't feel as "big" as a Shield match should

Feels like a bonafide main event to me.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 11, 2019, 02:39:35 AM
Feels like a bonafide main event to me.

I am enjoying it!

Was four minutes since I called the finish as four minutes. Haha. Nah, I did like it. Drew and Lashley worked hard and Corbin is absolutely best at getting beaten up.

Shield were chaotic and I did enjoy the table Shield bomb and the classic outside the ring moments

I don't know about main event but suspect that's because I want stakes in a main event

Woaaah I watched the whole ting!
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Z on March 11, 2019, 07:01:23 AM
Jesus guys, six pages of posts for fast lane?!

Was it really really good or really really bad?
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on March 11, 2019, 07:45:35 AM
It was fine. Some good matches, especially after half-way point but also some swervy booking that may or may not be worth it for Mania pay off.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on March 11, 2019, 09:28:56 AM
Jesus guys, six pages of posts for fast lane?!

Was it really really good or really really bad?

I thought it was really fun. Weirdly entertaining I would describe it as.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: boki on March 11, 2019, 11:39:03 AM
MizDad has no idea what's going on.

He has the look of a man who never got over his band not making it.

Miz McQueen, if you will.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on March 11, 2019, 12:28:35 PM
Can someone who knows more than me explain this:

https://twitter.com/RealRepass/status/1104893194851045376

Is it Asuka being the best wrestler ever making something look totally brutal but laying the soft part of her foot on Mandy's face or has she just kicked concussion into her?
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 11, 2019, 12:34:13 PM
Asuka slows it down just before impact, but woah, there is impact!

In terms of head damage it seems more akin to a fucking good slap than, say, your average Benoit match
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: mikeyg27 on March 11, 2019, 12:44:24 PM
That main event was The Shield's Greatest Hits. Can't complain, really - despite the silly reunion tours they've had over the last couple of years, they really do have an uncanny inability to have a bad match. Their reactions at the end really did make it feel like Ambrose is definitely leaving.

Based on the Heat Heading Into Wrestlemania metric the WWE Championship match should be the main event (I know it won't be, though). Funny how these things pan out.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 11, 2019, 03:12:45 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/JheNRgt.png)
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Huxleys Babkins on March 11, 2019, 03:13:21 PM
Talking of crap wrestledads, it's been 16 years since the tragic death of Al Wilson, Torrie's dad, shagged to the grave by Dawn Marie.

As Torrie Wilson is being inducted to the hall of fame this year, I hope to see a fitting tribute to the man who suddenly appeared and meekly stood around in near silence for a couple of months.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 11, 2019, 03:18:54 PM
Talking of crap wrestledads, it's been 16 years since the tragic death of Al Wilson, Torrie's dad, shagged to the grave by Dawn Marie.

As Torrie Wilson is being inducted to the hall of fame this year, I hope to see a fitting tribute to the man who suddenly appeared and meekly stood around in near silence for a couple of months.

A hero's death!
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on March 11, 2019, 08:11:36 PM
So tonight they're opening Raw with a "Shield farewell address". Hmmm... very suspicious.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 11, 2019, 08:17:12 PM
They're trying to work us!
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Mobius on March 11, 2019, 08:46:32 PM
Last night should've been their goodbye. Surely they'll start to build Seth/Brock today.

Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on March 12, 2019, 01:29:51 AM
Did she just imply that she refers to her vagina as a “scoop“. That’s fucking gross. One for the local slang thread.

This is brilliant. Trying to troll audience who genuinely cheer for the idea. Graves needs fucking garrotting though
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on March 12, 2019, 01:40:31 AM
This is brilliant. Trying to troll audience who genuinely cheer for the idea. Graves needs fucking garrotting though

WWE remain bafflingly tone deaf to how the audience will respond 99% of the time.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on March 12, 2019, 01:59:31 AM
”Jennifer Lopez”

You got to give it to them. Their trolling is reaching new and ever more subtle heights. How to do a heel promo in plain sight. Zelina is amazing.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on March 12, 2019, 02:01:50 AM
And here comes the fucking skull king. King of the fucking geeks more like. Batista chants and big pop; so that going well for them.

Édit: that was shit.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Mobius on March 12, 2019, 02:15:04 AM
Triple H is more insufferable than any McMahon nowadays
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on March 12, 2019, 02:16:37 AM
Triple H is more insufferable than any McMahon nowadays

”Mania? Is that what this is about?“ has to be up there with one of the dumbest lines in WWE in ages.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on March 12, 2019, 01:10:50 PM
That segment was pretty bad. Also, the back of Batista's head is very testicular.

Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on March 12, 2019, 02:34:44 PM
Just watched the Alexis Bliss but back. It’s fucking perfect.

“And your host of WrestleMania is... me!!”

“You deserve it.“

*smiles, walks to the back and throws a belt at Vince*
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on March 12, 2019, 04:43:18 PM
From Reddit, Batista & Triple H meet Spice Girls - https://streamable.com/2gmgg
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on March 12, 2019, 08:36:45 PM
Just saw Fighting With My Family. Fun little film, would recommend. Just try not to let the wrestling nerd within you get distracted by all the innaccuracies. Definitely don’t keep pointing things out like the absolute mark in the row in front of me.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on March 13, 2019, 01:18:34 AM
Orton and Styles selling their thrown together feud in one promo segment. Really liked that.

Another fun Smackdown so far.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 13, 2019, 01:23:24 AM
Orton and Styles selling their thrown together feud in one promo segment. Really liked that.

Another fun Smackdown so far.

Wassup my Orton/Styles-optimistic brother

Where the fuck can I watch this live on the downlow? I usually pirate Smackdown (can you blame me?)

Just saw Fighting With My Family. Fun little film, would recommend. Just try not to let the wrestling nerd within you get distracted by all the innaccuracies. Definitely don’t keep pointing things out like the absolute mark in the row in front of me.

Duly noted. I was interested, just not TOO interested.

But the reviews are heartening
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on March 13, 2019, 01:50:30 AM
You need to watchwrestling , sorry I meant watch wrestling.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on March 13, 2019, 01:53:41 AM
"Your people don't deserve anything." Ha ha ha ha.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on March 13, 2019, 02:02:02 AM
WWE title should main event WM at this point.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 13, 2019, 05:08:58 AM
WWE title should main event WM at this point.

I see this but I'd still think it progressive if it's the women
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Mobius on March 13, 2019, 05:53:27 AM
Would've said Ronda Vs Becky should headline a while ago, but it's cooled off now and become a mess.

Bryan Vs Kofi would be fantastic end of the show but it'll probably be Seth Brock

Thought that AJ Randy stuff was awesome
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on March 13, 2019, 10:30:22 AM
AJ/Orton was good cos they both got good barbs in without really making the other look weak *cough* Cena/Reigns *cough*

Expect AJ to help Kofi beat Orton next week.

I'd love it if the Becky match doesn't main event Mania, not only because I don't care about the match, but the absolute meltdown on Twitter will be a joy to behold.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on March 13, 2019, 11:01:16 AM
There's reports going around that Eminem has struck a deal to do a soundtrack for WWE 2K20, including an appearance on Smackdown when it goes to FOX.

That is huge. One of the only celebrity appearances I could ever be excited for.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on March 13, 2019, 12:06:31 PM
Is Eminem still a big deal? I speak as someone who interest in popular music died with the nineties.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on March 13, 2019, 12:08:31 PM
Is Eminem still a big deal? I speak as someone who interest in popular music died with the nineties.

His music is nowhere near as good as it used to be, but yeah, he's still massive. Still had one of the top ten biggest selling albums of 2018.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on March 13, 2019, 01:06:33 PM
He will always be massive.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 13, 2019, 01:28:38 PM
Seems a sort of step down from last year.

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/wwe-2k19-soundtrack-features-eminem-metallica-post/1100-6461867/
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: BeardFaceMan on March 13, 2019, 01:41:55 PM
Eminem is a massive nerd too isn't he so it's not a stretch to say he's a fan of wrestling, we may get a celebrity crossover thats actually worth watching out of this. Most of the time it's people there yelling "Summerfest!" purely for promotional purposes as they have no interest in wrestling, hopefully this will be different.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on March 13, 2019, 01:42:41 PM
Speaking of musical guests, remember when Bo Dallas embarrassed Flo Rida in a battle rap on Raw?
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 13, 2019, 11:36:16 PM
Speaking of musical guests, remember when Bo Dallas


WHO

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embarrassed Flo Rida

WHO

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in a battle rap on Raw?

WHO
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on March 14, 2019, 12:05:08 AM

WHO

WHO

WHO

(http://mastowc.weebly.com/uploads/1/3/8/3/13839291/2946638_orig.jpg)
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: mikeyg27 on March 14, 2019, 09:31:43 AM
ROYAL QUEST TICKETS CONFIRMED WOOP WOOP

I'm in cheapskate mode right now so it had to be up in the gods, but the Copper Box is small enough that it doesn't matter too much (it's not like being at the back of the O2).

And they confirmed Red Shoes is going to be there!
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on March 14, 2019, 04:06:30 PM
We going. Front row seats in the stands. Sold over 5k already so should be brilliant. Osprey and ZSJ also confirmed so there are going to be at least 5 mega pops and that isn’t counting Ishi or Sukuki who may or may not be there.

Dragon Lee vs Ishimori vs Bandido for MSG. Any match that tops that will be match of Mania week. It’s going to be off the fucking scale good.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on March 14, 2019, 04:29:53 PM
Also got tickets. Can't wait.

Also hope that Kofi VS Bryan will main event Mania. Have Kofi win the title at the end of Mania and no one can be sour.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on March 14, 2019, 04:36:03 PM
Nah, that’s Becky’s spot.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on March 14, 2019, 04:50:21 PM
Dave reckons Ibushi for London too.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: mikeyg27 on March 14, 2019, 05:02:39 PM
Dave reckons Ibushi for London too.

Feeling woozy all of a sudden.

Ibushi once (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7D5alRJrjWw) moonsaulted off a car and set of a load of fireworks a couple of stops down the Central Line. Maybe him and Ospreay can try and do something off the top of the RUN sculpture out front of the CB. Or jump in the canal.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on March 14, 2019, 06:31:10 PM
Nah, that’s Becky’s spot.

Nah. That storyline lost all its steam. Rather see Kofi finally getting what he deserves.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 14, 2019, 06:58:47 PM
Nah. That storyline lost all its steam. Rather see Kofi finally getting what he deserves.

Nah. That's just your opinion. Not reality.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: madhair60 on March 14, 2019, 07:32:12 PM
I agree to be honest. They had a good thing and they fucked it.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 14, 2019, 07:48:50 PM
Well, they have all but fucking ruined all but the match.

Just think it's unrealistic to wind back from that match now. Even with just how obsessed they are with in 2019 ffs having Women's Firsts

Anyway, this hot take is pretty cold by now! Shit, I still got Smackdown to watch
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on March 14, 2019, 08:43:11 PM
Wrestling Observer awards results (part 1)

LOU THESZ/RIC FLAIR AWARD (WRESTLER OF THE YEAR)

1. KENNY OMEGA (642) 3,594
2. Hiroshi Tanahashi (303) 2,773
3. Kazuchika Okada (135) 2,119
4. L.A. Park (35) 549
5. Becky Lynch (31) 264
5. A.J. Styles (3) 264
7. Johnny Gargano (5) 169
8. Will Ospreay 162
9. Kota Ibushi (6) 156
10. Ronda Rousey (7) 151

HONORABLE MENTION: Seth Rollins 121, Kento Miyahara 118, Walter 111, Chris Jericho 105, Daniel Bryan 99, Cody 85, Tetsuya Naito 74, Brock Lesnar 73, Takashi Sugiura 60

MOST OUTSTANDING WRESTLER

1. KENNY OMEGA (503) 3,621
2. Kota Ibushi (175) 1,958
3. Kazuchika Okada (157) 1,790
4. Will Ospreay (93) 1,496
5. Hiroshi Tanahashi (38) 626
6. Tomohiro Ishii (48) 565
7. Johnny Gargano (55) 465
8. Zack Sabre Jr. (25) 434
9. Walter (34) 225
10. Kento Miyahara (12) 162

HONORABLE MENTION: Daniel Bryan 146, A.J. Styles 108, Seth Rollins 104, Hiromu Takahashi 98, Rey Fenix 90, Meiko Satomura 72

TAG TEAM OF THE YEAR

1. YOUNG BUCKS (530) 4,427
2. Kenny Omega & Kota Ibushi (234) 2,034
3. Kyle O’Reilly & Roderick Strong (121) 1,844
4. Pentagon Jr. & Fenix (100) 897
5. Tyler Bate & Trent Seven (31) 837
6. Evil & Seiya Sanada (38) 511
7. LAX (29) 295
8. Suwama & Shuji Ishikawa (14) 170
9. Usos (3) 122
10. Mark & Jay Briscoe (12) 116

HONORABLE MENTION: Aussie Open (Mark Davis & Kyle Fletcher) 86, New Day 85, Minoru Suzuki & Zack Sabre Jr. 86, Revival 62, Sho & Yoh 61

BEST ON INTERVIEWS

1. DANIEL BRYAN (385) 2,365
2. Samoa Joe (158) 1,369
3. Becky Lynch (102) 1,220
4. Chris Jericho (73) 1,194
5. Juice Robinson (110) 937
6. Conor McGregor (122) 735
7. Zack Sabre Jr. (38) 696
8. Paul Heyman (31) 374
9. Tommaso Ciampa (25) 324
10. Tetsuya Naito (39) 316

HONORABLE MENTION: Kenny Omega 283, The Miz 216, Cody 186, Minoru Suzuki 147, Rush 119, Bully Ray 90, Nick Aldis 79, Christopher Daniels 72, Nick Gage 63, Konnan 60

PROMOTION OF THE YEAR

1. NEW JAPAN PRO WRESTLING (1,038) 5,546
2. WWE (42) 1,848
3. ROH (20) 1,225
4. CMLL (9) 982
5. OTT (8) 396
6. All Japan Pro Wrestling (6) 295
7. UFC 283
8. PWG 246
9. MLW 180
10.GCW (7) 144

HONORABLE MENTION: DDT 118, Stardom 110, Revolution Pro 89, Pro Wrestling NOAH 66

BEST WEEKLY TV SHOW

1. WWE NXT (487) 4,123
2. Being the Elite (207) 1,794
3. New Japan Pro Wrestling on AXS (242) 1,754
4. CMLL Super Viernes (79) 1,115
5. WWE Smackdown Live (32) 578
6. MLW Fusion (14) 532
7. DDT Maji Manji (35) 333
8. Impact (14) 259
9. ROH (5) 258
10. WWE 205 Live (12) 267

HONORABLE MENTION: WWE U.K. 114

PRO WRESTLING MATCH OF THE YEAR

1. KENNY OMEGA VS. KAZUCHIKA OKADA 6/9 OSAKA (763) 4,623
2. Hiroshi Tanahashi vs. Kota Ibushi 10/8 Tokyo (99) 1,722
3. Johnny Gargano vs. Andrade Cien Almas 1/27 Philadelphia (30) 673
4. Johnny Gargano vs. Tommaso Ciampa 4/7 New Orleans (12) 559
Kenny Omega vs. Tomohiro Ishii 8/4 Osaka (25) 559
6. Hiromu Takahashi vs. Taiji Ishimori 6/4 Tokyo (29) 493
7. Young Bucks vs. Omega & Ibushi 3/25 Long Beach (26) 338
8. Kenny Omega vs. Kota Ibushi 8/11 Tokyo (12) 324
9. Kenny Omega vs. Chris Jericho 1/4 Tokyo (14) 265
10. Kazuchika Okada vs. Hiroshi Tanahashi 5/4 Fukuoka (5) 205

HONORABLE MENTION: Kota Ibushi vs. Tomohiro Ishii 7/28 Nagoya 187, Charlotte Flair vs. Becky Lynch 10/28 Uniondale,, NY 147; Masashi Takeda vs. Isami Kodaka 6/20 Tokyo 116; Kenny Omega & Kota Ibushi vs. Hiroshi Tanahashi & Will Ospreay 12/15 Tokyo 102; Walter vs. Will Ospreay 10/14 Dublin 92; Brock Lesnar vs. Daniel Bryan 11/18 Los Angeles 84; Hirooki Goto vs. Tomohiro Ishii 7/21 Nagoya 74; Ricochet vs. Lars Sullivan vs. Velveteen Dream vs. Adam Cole vs. EC 3 vs. Killian Dain 85 4/7 New Orleans; Kento Miyahara vs. Zeus 10/21 Tokyo 60
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on March 14, 2019, 08:43:49 PM
Wrestling Observer awards results (part 2)

UNITED STATES/CANADA MVP

1. A.J. STYLES 265
2. Kenny Omega 246
3. Johnny Gargano 219
4. Daniel Bryan 138
5. Becky Lynch 85
6. Tommaso Ciampa 50
7. Ronda Rousey 49
8. Seth Rollins 46
9. Cody 37
10. Young Bucks 24

HONORABLE MENTION: Jay Lethal 20, Brock Lesnar 18

JAPANESE MVP

1. KENNY OMEGA 444
2. Hiroshi Tanahashi 393
3. Kazuchika Okada 217
4. Tomohiro Ishii 31
5. Kota Ibushi 30
6. Masashi Takeda 28
7. Kento Miyahara 26
8. Tetsuya Naito 20
9. Takashi Sugiura 11
10. Chris Jericho 10

MEXICO MVP

1. L.A. PARK 484
2. Pentagon Jr. 279
3. Rush 153
4. Rey Fenix 85
5. Volador Jr. 33
6. Bandido 28
7. Dragon Lee 22
8. Cavernario 15
9. Ultimo Guerrero 8
9. Psycho Clown 8

EUROPE MVP

1. WALTER 503
2. Zack Sabre Jr. 228
3. Will Ospreay 212
4. Pete Dunne 181
5.Tyler Bate 34
6. Tomohiro Ishii 20
7. Toni Storm 14
8. Zack Gibson 9
9. Trent Seven 6
10. Minoru Suzuki 6

NON-HEAVYWEIGHT MVP

1. WILL OSPREAY 486
2. Hiromu Takahashi 243
3. Kushida 64
4. Johnny Gargano 51
5. Buddy Murphy 35
6. Rey Fenix 30
7. Ricochet 26
8. Taiji Ishimori 21
8. Kota Ibushi 21
10. Marty Scurll 19
10. Mustafa Ali 19

HONORABLE MENTION: Robbie Eagles 15, Pentagon Jr.12, Cedric Alexander 12

WOMEN’S WRESTLING MVP

1. BECKY LYNCH 579
2. Ronda Rousey 326
3. Meiko Satomura 62
4. Charlotte Flair 61
5. Momo Watananbe 43
6. Mayu Iwatani 24
7. Kairi Sane 22
8. Tessa Blanchard 21
9. Shayna Baszler 14
10. Asuka 12
10. Toni Storm 12

BEST BOX OFFICE DRAW

1. CONOR MCGREGOR 694
2. Kenny Omega 174
3. L.A. Park 68
4. Chris Jericho 54
5. Hiroshi Tanahashi 37
6. Ronda Rousey 32
7. Brock Lesnar 26
8. The Elite 24
9. Kazuchika Okada 21
10. Tetsuya Naito 20

HONORABLE MENTION: Roman Reigns 19, Psycho Clown 18, Young Bucks 12
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on March 14, 2019, 08:44:28 PM
Wrestling Observer awards results (part 3)

FEUD OF THE YEAR

1. JOHNNY GARGANO VS. TOMMASO CIAMPA 529
2. Khabib Nurmagomedov vs. Conor McGregor 230
3. L.A. Park vs. Rush 95
4. Charlotte Flair vs. Becky Lynch 80
5. Hiroshi Tanahashi vs. Kazuchika Okada 63
5. Kenny Omega vs. Cody 63
7. Hiroshi Tanahashi vs. Kenny Omega 32
8. Jay White vs. Kazuchika Okada 19
9. Kazuchika Okada vs. Kenny Omega 18
10. Walter vs. Jordan Devlin 16

HONORABLE MENTION: LAX vs. OG’s LAX 15, Chris Jericho vs. Tetsuya Naito 12, Mustache Mountain vs. O’Reilly & Strong 11

MOST IMPROVED

1. ADAM PAGE 344
2. Jay White 193
3. Velveteen Dream 75
4. Buddy Murphy 62
5. Juice Robinson 46
6. Shayna Baszler 45
7. Becky Lynch 44
8. Ronda Rousey 42
9. Momo Watanabe 35
10. Jordan Devlin 34

HONORABLE MENTION: Flip Gordon 32, Tommaso Ciampa 20, Carmella19, Hazuki 16, Bandido 16, Natsuko Tora 15, Tom Lawlor 14, Tessa Blanchard 13, Bianca Belair 13

MOST CHARISMATIC

1. TETSUYA NAITO 247
2. Becky Lynch 205
3. Hiroshi Tanahashi 186
4. Chris Jericho 87
5. Conor McGregor 71
6. Kenny Omega 68
7. Rush 65
8. Pentagon Jr. 53
9. Velveteen Dream 50
10. L.A. Park 35

HONORABLE MENTION: Daniel Bryan 28, Juice Robinson`26, Adam Cole 25, Tommaso Ciampa 24, Hiromu Takahashi 22, Kazuchika Okada 18, Cody12

BRYAN DANIELSON AWARD

(BEST TECHNICAL WRESTLER)

1. ZACK SABRE JR. 970
2. Daniel Bryan 37
3. Hideki Suzuki 33
4. Jonathan Gresham 27
5. Johnny Gargano 25
6. Minoru Suzuki 20
7. Kazuchika Okada 18
8. Kota Ibushi 17
9. Kushida 12
9. Kyle O’Reilly 12

BRUISER BRODY MEMORIAL AWARD (BEST BRAWLER)

1. TOMOHIRO ISHII 536
2. Chris Jericho 186
3. L.A. Park 144
4. Minoru Suzuki 134
5. Walter 133
6. Masashi Takeda 38
7. Brody King 22
8. Pentagon Jr. 19
9. PCO 18
10. Sami Callihan 16

HONORABLE MENTION: Samoa Joe 14

BEST FLYING WRESTLER

1. WILL OSPREAY 560
2. Ricochet 186
3. Rey Fenix 182
4. Kota Ibushi 76
5. Hiromu Takahashi 55
6. Bandido 43
7. Io Shirai 25
8. Dragon Lee 24
9. Soberano Jr. 16
10. Titan 9

MOST OVERRATED

1. BARON CORBIN 597
2. Nia Jax 121
3. Brock Lesnar 67
4. Braun Strowman 52
5. Dean Ambrose 36
6. Cody 31
7. Carmella 29
8. Shane McMahon 24
8. Seth Rollins 24
10. Taichi 22

HONORABLE MENTION: Jay White 21, Alexa Bliss 14. Roman Reigns 12

MOST UNDERRATED

1. FINN BALOR 175
2. Gran Metalik 122
3. Andrade 121
4. Chad Gable 110
5. The Revival 92
6. Tomohiro Ishii 72
7. Rusev 49
8. Asuka 32
9. Kassius Ohno 20
9. Tetsuya Naito 20

HONORABLE MENTION: Jungle Kyona 18, Timothy Thatcher18, Tom Lawlor 15, Cesaro 14, Ember Moon 14, Marcel Barthel 13

ROOKIE OF THE YEAR

1. RONDA ROUSEY 716
2. Utami Hayashishita 299
3. Brian Pillman Jr. 61
4. Kacy Catanzaro 37
4. Marko Stunt 37
6. Yuya Uemura 27
7. Dragon Bane 10
8. Ultimo Maldito 9
9. Yota Tsuji 9
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on March 14, 2019, 08:45:04 PM
Wrestling Observer awards results (part 4)

BEST NON-WRESTLER

1. PAUL HEYMAN 427
2. Zelina Vega 114
3. Salina de la Renta 88
4. William Regal 70
5. Paige 56
6. Taka Michinoku 50
7. Konnan 38
8. Miho Abe 35
9. Stokley Hathaway 34
10. Gedo 27

HONORABLE MENTION: Stephanie McMahon 21, Brandi Rhodes 19, Scarlett Bordeaux 16

BEST TELEVISION ANNOUNCER

1. KEVIN KELLY 494
2. Mauro Ranallo 255
3. Nigel McGuinness 182
4. Don Callis 116
5. Chris Charlton 38
6. Corey Graves 20
7. Dominick Cruz 19
7. Tony Schiavone 19
9. Shimpei Nogami 16
10. Colt Cabana 14

WORST TELEVISION ANNOUNCER

1. JONATHAN COACHMAN 446
2. Michael Cole 176
3. Renee Young` 129
4. Corey Graves 92
5. Lanny Poffo 69
6. Byron Saxton 42
7. Vampiro 37
8. Percy Watson 36
9. Jim Ross 23
10. Matt Striker 14

HONORABLE MENTION: Booker T 12, Mauro Ranallo 11

BEST MAJOR WRESTLING SHOW

1. NEW JAPAN DOMINION 6/9 OSAKA 579
2. New Japan WrestleKingdom 12 1/4 Tokyo 290
3. WWE NXT Takeover 4/7 New Orleans 164
4. All In 9/1 Chicago 140
5. DDT Peter Pan 10/21 Tokyo 27
6. WWE Evolution 10/28 Uniondale, NY 25
7. Impact Slammiversary 7/22 Toronto 14
8. New Japan G-1 B Block final 8/11 Tokyo 13
9. New Japan G-1 7/19 Tokyo 13
10. WWE NXT Takeover 11/17 Los Angeles 10

WORST MAJOR WRESTLING SHOW

1. WWE CROWN JEWEL 11/2 RIYADH, SAUDI ARABIA 638
2. WWE Backlash 5/6 Newark, NJ 239
3. AAA TripleMania 8/25 Mexico City 70
4. WWE Extreme Rules 7/15 Pittsburgh 56
5. WWE WrestleMania 4/8 New Orleans 42
6. WWE Greatest Royal Rumble 4/27 Jeddah, Saudi Arabia 38

BEST WRESTLING MANEUVER

1. KENNY OMEGA ONE WINGED ANGEL 375
2. Kazuchika Okada Rainmaker 89
3. Will Ospreay Stormbreaker 85
4. Zack Sabre Jr. Napalm death 68
5. Kenny Omega V trigger 51
6. Aleister Black Black Mass 27
7. Kairi Sane Insane Elbow 26
Kento Miyahara Shutdown German suplex 26
Seth Rollins Curb Stomp 26
10. Ember Moon Eclipse 25
Omega & Ibushi Golden Trigger 25

HONORABLE MENTION: Hiroshi Tanahashi high fly flow 24, Tetsuya Naito destino 22, Bandido rolling German suplex 21, Pentagon Jr. Penta driver 15, Buddy Murphy Murphy’s law 14, Montez Ford frog splash 14, Kota Ibushi Kamagoye 13

MOST DISGUSTING PROMOTIONAL TACTIC

1. WWE BUSINESS TIES WITH SAUDI ARABIA 901
2. USADA handling of the Jon Jones case 97
3. UFC using McGregor’s criminal footage to sell Nurmagomedov fight 58
4. UFC booking Rachael Ostovich on same show with Greg Hardy 31
5. Drake Maverick urinating on himself 14
6. UFC moving show out of Las Vegas due to Jones situation 14
7. WWE using Reigns leukemia in the Ambrose turn 9

WORST TELEVISION SHOW

1. WWE RAW 902
2. Impact 30
3. Lucha Underground 26
4. AAA 17
5. Ring Warriors 16
6. Ring of Honor 13
6. World of Sport 13
8. Five Star Wrestling 8

WORST MATCH OF THE YEAR

1. UNDERTAKER & KANE VS. MICHAELS & HHH 11/2 RIYADH, SAUDI ARABIA 289
2. Roman Reigns vs. Brock Lesnar 4/8 New Orleans 57
3. Undertaker vs. HHH 10/16 Melbourne 44
4. Asuka vs. Carmella 7/15 Pittsburgh 37
5. Roman Reigns vs. Samoa Joe 5/6 Newark 29
6. Eli Drake vs. James Ellsworth 10/14 New York 26
7. Jeff Hardy vs. Jinder Mahal 4/27 Jeddah, Saudi Arabia 25
8. Shane McMahon vs. Dolph Ziggler 11/2 Riyadh, Saudi Arabia 22
9. Roman Reigns vs. Braun Strowman 9/16 San Antonio 20
10. Asuka vs. Carmella 6/16 Chicago 19

HONORABLE MENTION: Charlotte Flair vs. Carmella 5/6 Newark 18, Nia Jax vs. Alexa Bliss 5/6 Newark 18, John Cena vs. Undertaker 4/8 New Orleans 17, Atlantis & Rayo de Jalisco Jr. & Octagon vs. Fuerza Guerrera & Ultimo Guerrero & Mascara Ano 2000 7/13 Mexico City 16, Lana vs. Zelina Vega 7/31 Tampa 13, Punishment Martinez vs. Soberano Jr. 3/3 New York 13, Roman Reigns vs. Brock Lesnar 8/19 Brooklyn 11

WORST FEUD OF THE YEAR

1. SASHA BANKS VS. BAYLEY 433
2. Sami Zayn vs. Bobby Lashley 92
3. Seth Rollins vs. Dean Ambrose 62
4. Roman Reigns vs. Brock Lesnar 60
5. Asuka vs. Carmella 54
6. Baron Corbin vs. Braun Strowman 46
7. A.J. Styles vs. Shinsuke Nakamura 44
8. Undertaker & Kane vs. Michaels & HHH 42
9. Tongans vs. G-1 field 37
10. Alexa Bliss vs. Nia Jax 36

HONORABLE MENTION: Bullet Club Elite vs. Tongans 28,Daniel Bryan vs. Big Cass 23, Natalya vs. Ruby Riott 22, AOP vs. Bobby Roode & Chad Gable 20, Finn Balor vs. Baron Corbin 18, Baron Corbin vs. Kurt Angle 18, Kenny Omega vs. Cody 12, Roman Reigns vs. Bobby Lashley 11

WORST PROMOTION OF THE YEAR

1. WWE 612
2. AAA 156
3. Impact 141
4. Lucha Underground 62
5. UFC 57
6. ROH 26
7. Five Star Wrestling 22
8. Insane Championship Wrestling 14
9. World of Sport 12
10. Golden Boy MMA 11

HONORABLE MENTION: Ring Warriors 10, PFL 9

BEST BOOKER

1. GEDO 890
2. Paul Levesque 222
3. Jun Akiyama 35
4. Joey Janela 22
5. Sanshiro Takagi 17
6. Rossy Ogawa 13
7. Cody & Young Bucks 12

PROMOTER OF THE YEAR

1. TAKAAKI KIDANI 360
2. Paul Levesque 312
3. Cody & Young Bucks 215
4. Harold Meij 79
5. Dana White 64
6. Sanshiro Takagi 46
7. Vince McMahon 45
8. Joe Koff 22
9. Court Bauer 19
10. Joey Janela 16

HONORABLE MENTION: Jim Smallman 12, Maciej Kawulski 10, Joe Cabray 9, Andy Quildan 9

BEST GIMMICK

1. VELVETEEN DREAM 225
2. Becky Lynch 217
3. Daniel Bryan 98
4. PCO 65
5. Tommaso Ciampa 58
6. Elias 44
7. Chris Jericho 38
8. The Elite 25
9. Jay White 25
10. Pentagon Jr. 20
LIJ 20

HONORABLE MENTION: Aleister Black 19, Orange Cassidy 16, Golden Lovers 14, Marty Scurll 13, Hiroshi Tanahashi 12, Minoru Suzuki 12, SCU 11, Scarlett Bordeaux 10

WORST GIMMICK

1. CONSTABLE CORBIN 331
2. Drake Maverick pissing 139
3. Lucha House Party 38
4. Shane McMahon Best in World 33
5. Nia Jax facebraeker 31
6. Elias 26
7. Almighty Bobby Lashley 24
8. Joey Ryan 24
9. Great O-Kharn 20
10. The Elite 18

HONORABLE MENTION: Nicholas 13, Jinder Mahal 12, Dean Ambrose 12, B Team 11
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 14, 2019, 09:10:27 PM
Woah nice. At a glance plenty to agree with there. Lynch coming high in a few places, Ronda gets best rookie. WWE gets shit on for Saudi Arabia and for Raw.

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WORST MAJOR WRESTLING SHOW

1. WWE CROWN JEWEL 11/2 RIYADH, SAUDI ARABIA 638
2. WWE Backlash 5/6 Newark, NJ 239
3. AAA TripleMania 8/25 Mexico City 70
4. WWE Extreme Rules 7/15 Pittsburgh 56
5. WWE WrestleMania 4/8 New Orleans 42
6. WWE Greatest Royal Rumble 4/27 Jeddah, Saudi Arabia 38

Oh man I've seen 5 out of 6!
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on March 14, 2019, 09:30:31 PM
Nah. That's just your opinion. Not reality.

They’ve definitely fucked it. A lot of wrestling fans agree it’s cooled off significantly with all the fuckery.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 14, 2019, 09:39:18 PM
They’ve definitely fucked it. A lot of wrestling fans agree it’s cooled off significantly with all the fuckery.

So is it fucked or cooled off significantly?

I wouldn't move it from the main event slot now yada yada yada round we go. I'm not even keeping up with Raw so... perhaps I am in a nice cocoon. Where it is terrible, just... slightly old terrible!
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on March 14, 2019, 10:26:52 PM
So is it fucked or cooled off significantly?

They fucked it by cooling it off. Like they might not be able to get the heat back on it.

I'm not doubting it'll be the main event. I think they've got their hearts set on giving the women that spot this year. It's just no one's as interested as they should be anymore. Kofimania is running wild right now.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: mikeyg27 on March 15, 2019, 12:09:55 AM
It wouldn't surprise me that much if the Universal Championship match started to heat up too - that promo between Heyman and Seth was great. I think Roman's return was fortuitously timed for Seth in that this little Shield reunion actually gave him something to do other than wait around for Brock to show up.

Actually, both Raw and Smackdown this week did a pretty good job of getting me much more excited for Mania - Seth & Heyman were great, Roman vs Psycho Drew looks like the direction for those two and is absolutely a match I'd love to see, the Balor-Lashley story seems to be heading towards a Demon appearance, AJ and Randy developed a killer feud out of thin air and this Kofi story has just landed in their lap.

Still got several weeks for them to piss it all away though.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Mobius on March 15, 2019, 01:33:10 AM
Sucks so much that Ciampa is injured. Why the fuck did they have to have him wrestle on 3 shows a week?

NXT was great yesterday but now the best long story WWE have had in years will be dead.

Womens fourway at Takeover should be good. Fucking love Io Shirai
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: gmoney on March 15, 2019, 08:20:03 AM
Got tickets to NJPW! I'm very much a casual New japan fan, anyone got any recommendations of recent highlights I should catch up with?
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on March 15, 2019, 02:25:41 PM
Was talking to a mate last night who knows absolutely nothing about wrestling apart for Hulk Hogan and Ultimate Warrior (he has never even heard of Vince McMahon) and mentioned that there is new wrestling company starting called AEW.

"Is that the one with Jungle Boy?"

Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on March 15, 2019, 02:35:52 PM
Got tickets to NJPW! I'm very much a casual New japan fan, anyone got any recommendations of recent highlights I should catch up with?

The Wrestle Kingdom January 4th show is obvious one. Its the pay off to a load of feuds but you don't need to watch anything in advance really.

In last few weeks:

New Japan Cup

- Naito vs Ibushi
- Ishi vs Yuji Nagata
- Tanahashi vs Shingo

The Anniversary Event

- Jr Tag Team match Sho and Yoh vs Bushi and shingo
- Osprey vs Jay White

---

The match that sums up my love of NJPW is the Okada / Jay White match at WK. If you don't follow it at all Okada lost the belt last summer, changed his hair cut and entrance music and went on a run of loses and Gedo (who is the real life booker and on screen manager of Okada) turned on him at hooked up with Jay White. Eventually they will rebuild him and the expectation was that he would start his comeback with a big win over Jay White at WK. Just watch it. It is amazing.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on March 15, 2019, 02:36:11 PM
Jungle Boy is a name casual fans or non fans have heard a lot over the last few weeks because he's Luke Perry's son.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on March 15, 2019, 02:46:26 PM
Jesus CHRIST, the Takeover card sounds good. WALTER vs. Dunne is going to be a real slobber of a knocker.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 15, 2019, 02:58:45 PM
I like Takeover is using talent like WALTER

NXT UK has been must see ever since his ace debut
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: gmoney on March 15, 2019, 03:26:58 PM
The Wrestle Kingdom January 4th show is obvious one. Its the pay off to a load of feuds but you don't need to watch anything in advance really.

In last few weeks:

New Japan Cup

- Naito vs Ibushi
- Ishi vs Yuji Nagata
- Tanahashi vs Shingo

The Anniversary Event

- Jr Tag Team match Sho and Yoh vs Bushi and shingo
- Osprey vs Jay White

---

The match that sums up my love of NJPW is the Okada / Jay White match at WK. If you don't follow it at all Okada lost the belt last summer, changed his hair cut and entrance music and went on a run of loses and Gedo (who is the real life booker and on screen manager of Okada) turned on him at hooked up with Jay White. Eventually they will rebuild him and the expectation was that he would start his comeback with a big win over Jay White at WK. Just watch it. It is amazing.

Cheers! I will get stuck in.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on March 15, 2019, 03:45:42 PM
OSW Review of this year's Rumble PPV is out: http://oswreview.com/media/oswreview79/
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on March 15, 2019, 04:10:49 PM
So from the looks of things the current Mania card is:

Kofi    VS Bryan
Rollins VS Lesnar
Reigns VS Drew
HHH    VS Batista
Asuka  VS Mandy Rose VS Sonya Deville
Rousey VS Charlotte VS Becky
ATGMMR

Is it me or is this a very underwhelming Mania card?

I miss the days the MITB was part of it instead of it's own PPV.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on March 15, 2019, 04:16:15 PM
So from the looks of things the current Mania card is:

Kofi    VS Bryan
Rollins VS Lesnar
Reigns VS Drew
HHH    VS Batista
Asuka  VS Mandy Rose VS Sonya Deville
Rousey VS Charlotte VS Becky
ATGMMR


Is it me or is this a very underwhelming Mania card?

I miss the days the MITB was part of it instead of it's own PPV.

+AJ Randy
+ Woman’s threeway tag.

The good aspect is that it should be good matches even though the feuds have ranged from crap to just weird. A big part of it is pacing and if they don’t let matches drag it could be great but if they draw out matches too long to make “epics“ then it could be a long boring night. They really need to think how to plan show out as risk of crowd shitting on things.

Should just be a feel good Mania with a load of 15 minute matches with most of faces going over.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Delete Delete Delete on March 15, 2019, 04:20:25 PM
Shane Vs Miz in a Whoose your dad match.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on March 15, 2019, 04:20:30 PM
Angle vs. Cena is looking likely as well. Seems like we might be spared of an old man Undertaker match this year. I quite like how the card is shaping up.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on March 15, 2019, 04:34:59 PM
I think the WM card looks great personally (though I did think the same last year and that Mania fell apart after the first hour-and-half).

But I think all three of the big title matches (WWE, Universal, Raw Women's) have the potential to be excellent. The Kofi angle is so hot right now and is been booked really well. Brock/Rollins is a little bit flat, but will hopefully pick up when Brock finally shows up next week. And even though they made the women's feud needlessly convoluted, and it has cooled down somewhat, it's not completely dead - the live crowds are still reacting, and despite not liking the Ronda breaking kayfabe thing myself, it got attention and seems to be working.

The Shane v Miz feud is far better than it has any right to be. Not sure how the match itself will turn out, but I've been enjoying face Miz a lot. And thank god they've made Triple H v Batista No Holds Barred. That's exactly the stipulation that match needed.

I'm also liking how they've given a little more attention to the undercard matches this year. Yes, the AJ/Orton stuff started late, but they've managed to give it a purpose - sometimes all a feud needs to be is simple as "I'm the leader of Smackdown." The US title scene too, with the intermingling feuds of Rey/Andrade/Truth/Joe, gives what will inevitably be a multi-man match (likely with Owens and Ali added) some semblance of a story, rather than just throwing people together on the PPV randomly. And they've been slowly building up a potential Usos v Hardy Boys story too.


Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 15, 2019, 05:25:02 PM
I'm going record. This will be a solid Mania.

Unless you've got some mad hate for Becky or Orton (his match will be good!!)
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: gmoney on March 15, 2019, 07:01:52 PM
This is the first Wrestlemania since I started watching wrestling again (so since WM15) that I couldn't give a shit about. I will watch it, because I am a slave, but there's nothing on that card I am blown away by. Rousey/Becky was still interesting until a couple of weeks ago but it's burnt out. Bryan vs Kofi? Jesus. Asuka with 2 stiffs in a 3 way (oo-er).
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 15, 2019, 07:37:14 PM
Bryan vs Kofi? Jesus.

I applaud the boldness of your opinion sir!

I reckon most the card will be good. I know I've bitched aboot HHH/Teesta but as someone less permanently annoyed than me said "it'll probably have enough smoke and mirrors to be good" and BAM a no holds barred stip makes it so.

Expressing Orton/AJ excitement gets me fuckin shot down for a whooole page but that segment on Smackdown was fucking great. I hope that curtain jerks - could be a fun match with a surprisingly good feud behind it and I reckon it'll be over as fuck. I still expect a sensible layout; hmm, what will the pissbreak be?

What a fucking age of pro graps though when I say and mean: Kurt Angle's match is gonna be the worst one on the WrestleMania card*





*Pending Undertaker. Or Andre Battle Royal. And maybe Shane / Miz... OK, maybe there's competition there
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: mikeyg27 on March 15, 2019, 08:03:13 PM
If you think there's going to  be smoke & mirrors in Triple H  - Batista you'd better fucking believe there's going to be some in Shane - Miz, probably Shane jumping through some smoke and into a mirror.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 15, 2019, 08:05:58 PM
If you think there's going to  be smoke & mirrors in Triple H  - Batista you'd better fucking believe there's going to be some in Shane - Miz, probably Shane jumping through some smoke and into a mirror.

I just hope those rumours about making Shane / Miz a 60 minute submission iron man aren't true

And their dads fight!
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on March 15, 2019, 08:13:17 PM
MizDad to slap one of Shane's kids who are all sitting at ringside.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 15, 2019, 08:14:32 PM
MizDad to slap one of Shane's kids who are all sitting at ringside.

Shane's dad returns the favour
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on March 15, 2019, 08:28:09 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/G3Lp4Fy/Screenshot-2019-03-15-Ryan-Satin-ryansatin-Twitter.png)
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on March 15, 2019, 08:31:17 PM
They need to use that in a promo package.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 15, 2019, 08:31:59 PM
And they should've!

We could have had Styles/Michaels

Suppose we still could but fuck that. WE'VE ACTUALLY SEEN A SHAWN MICHAELS MATCH GET THE WORST MATCH AWARD IN THE OBSERVER
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Shameless Custard on March 16, 2019, 07:24:22 AM
Never been a massive Shield fan, but I found myself really enjoying the Fastlane main event there. A decent old school brawl, with some nice spots, and a sense of urgency. You can tell it's Mania season

And thank gawd Corbin shaved his head. He had less hair than a dropped lollipop, last time I looked
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on March 18, 2019, 04:13:41 PM
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A few weeks ago, it was reported that Dana Warrior had joined WWE’s creative team on a part-time basis. If things went well for the lady who has served in an ambassadorial role for WWE since her husband, The Ultimate Warrior, passed away, she was said to be in line for a full-time role.

Well, according to PWInsider, things must have gone well for Dana as it is being reported that she joined the creative team on a full-time basis during the last week or two.

Not only that, but PWInsider also report that it was Dana herself who pitched the idea to get her on the creative team as she claimed to have been writing her entire life.

https://cultaholic.com/news/dana-warrior-reportedly-joins-wwe-creative-team-on-full-time-basis/

PWInsider also reporting that AJ Styles has renewed his contract.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Huxleys Babkins on March 18, 2019, 04:38:35 PM
Hell will freeze over before Vince lets any of the former Bullet Clubbers slip away to work for AEW.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on March 18, 2019, 04:42:48 PM
PWInsider also reporting that AJ Styles has renewed his contract.

Hopefully he moves to Raw after Mania, maybe finally get that Seth/AJ one-on-one match. Nothing remaining for him on Smackdown.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on March 18, 2019, 04:58:58 PM
NJ Cup been pretty great so far. Not watched everything but ZSJ Ibushi was pretty awesome and it’s ticking over nicely as the big guns progress. And of course if you haven’t seen it Colt/Yano is a must see for fans of the long term, psychologically dense, flippy-shit, work rate that NJPW has built its reputation around.

Looks like thy’ve fucked yo their US expansion mind. Sad to see but could see it coming as even before the visa problems there is a perception they’ve messed the US crowd around with too many ROH guys on Cow Palace show, MSG sell out on back of the Elite and those visa-issue January shows. Shame.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on March 18, 2019, 05:01:39 PM
Hell will freeze over before Vince lets any of the former Bullet Clubbers slip away to work for AEW.

Well, Gallows & Anderson are on their way out.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on March 18, 2019, 05:57:41 PM
Hopefully he moves to Raw after Mania, maybe finally get that Seth/AJ one-on-one match. Nothing remaining for him on Smackdown.

Presumably this year's "shake up" will see a lot of big stars going to Smackdown as they prepare for the move to FOX. AJ might benefit from being there. He should have gone to Raw in 2018 instead.
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Post by: Deanjam on March 18, 2019, 06:18:47 PM
Presumably this year's "shake up" will see a lot of big stars going to Smackdown as they prepare for the move to FOX. AJ might benefit from being there. He should have gone to Raw in 2018 instead.

I have the feeling that once the Fox show starts and they need all hands on deck, the draft is gonnna fade away.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on March 18, 2019, 08:11:36 PM
Guess the AJ news is true.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D194NUxW0AA9PVS.png)
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on March 18, 2019, 11:15:48 PM
Enticed him to re-sign by offering him a new puppy. Hard to turn that down.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on March 19, 2019, 12:30:18 AM
Trying to delay watching Raw so just watched that PCO/BrodyKing/Briscos match from ROH. Fucking hell. I'm not sure if I would recommend it but some of it is some mad shit and at one point a voice shouted "make it stop". For those if you without a WON sub Garrett's first comment when reviewing the match was with genuine concern "I don't mean to sound off but does PCO actually have a wife and kids". Ha ha.
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Post by: Mobius on March 19, 2019, 12:47:40 AM
Watching live Raw because I called in sick to work.

So many adverts
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on March 19, 2019, 01:04:44 AM
... Baron Corbin?!
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on March 19, 2019, 01:06:37 AM
Well that sucks. And this fucking commentary once again. it is truly woeful when you want there are three people talking and the only one you don't want to shut up is Michael Cole.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on March 19, 2019, 01:31:20 AM
Urgh. Fucks not given by anyone.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on March 19, 2019, 01:38:16 AM
Why do they keep making out that storylines that have been fucking obvious for weeks are surprises? Does Vince think that he is that smart or that we are that thick.

Now Nia. If this is going to be a four way women's tag with Beth, Nia, Tamina and iiconics it could fucking stink out Mania.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on March 19, 2019, 02:05:28 AM
That more like it. Oh for more squash matches. That was just great.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on March 19, 2019, 02:13:14 AM
Baron Corbin as Angle’s final opponent. You have to laugh.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on March 19, 2019, 06:47:02 AM
Surely Cena will come out either at Mania or the Raw before and replace Snorebin. Right lads? Right?!!!

Having Seth lose fairly clean to end the show was also dumb.

That Women's tag four way looks awful as well.

And Ronda and her shitty husband can't piss off quick enough for me.

Not impressed by that Raw.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Moribunderast on March 19, 2019, 08:03:56 AM
Do Trips and Vince hate Kurt for leaving all those years ago? A retirement match against Corbin looks like quite the insult from my perspective. But then Corbin makes me long for euthanasia and I’m not even ill.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on March 19, 2019, 08:29:20 AM
In RAW's defense the the problem of the core booking being a bit shit is not going to go away for some time yet but you can tell there has been a genuine effort to change the dynamic of the actual show. There seemed to be a lot of Charlie last night and it feels that the segments are running into each other and in the most part it has a bit more pace to it.

Still got a lot of sub par stuff but I thought the Ronda stuff, Angle-Gable and the Seth / McIntyre stuff was pretty great stuff. It was okay for Rollins to lose like that last night as McIntyre looks strong (and they've fully established idea that Rollins is basically a bit of a headcase who can't control himself either way) but they need Rollins to just run through people like Ronda now up to Mania whether he is beating Lesnar or not.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on March 19, 2019, 09:04:05 AM
Drew McIntyre tried his very best to sell that match with Roman, Lukemia heat and all, but the crowd didn’t care. Poor bloke.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on March 19, 2019, 09:11:19 AM
Drew has a great look but is just dull in the ring.

Corbin VS Angle? Why? Nobody gives a damn about this storyline!

Orton vs AJ.... poor AJ.

This might be the dullest Mania yet.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on March 19, 2019, 10:08:43 AM
I'm actually looking forward to AJ/Orton. I think they have good chemistry together.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on March 19, 2019, 10:10:34 AM
Drew McIntyre tried his very best to sell that match with Roman, Lukemia heat and all, but the crowd didn’t care. Poor bloke.

They keep referencing the leukemia despite it not going over with the crowd in any way.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 19, 2019, 10:20:28 AM
McIntyre was a great brawler in ICDub and he was the very definition of over in that environment

I like him in WWE simply because of that and I think he deserves a push, but the WWE Style has robbed what I found exciting

Don't think he's remotely bad, but remember they almost pushed him before but even steven booking murdered it before it even got going

Mind you, a comparison with Corbin does him a whole heap of favours

I'm actually looking forward to AJ/Orton. I think they have good chemistry together.

This shite still rolling on? Their feud is off to a very good start and their previous match has shown the match quality will be up there
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on March 19, 2019, 10:37:59 AM
Its difficult to have any interest in a 2019 Randy Orton match. Mainly because Randy Orton seems to have no interest in a 2019 Randy Orton match.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 19, 2019, 10:43:26 AM
Its difficult to have any interest in a 2019 Randy Orton match.

Yeah, you've said. How odd! Our tastes are different!
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on March 19, 2019, 12:41:25 PM
Surely Cena will come out either at Mania or the Raw before and replace Snorebin. Right lads? Right?!!!

According to the Meltz, there is a different match planned for Cena at Mania.

Hopefully Angle and Corbin will be a quick squash. With 17 potential matches, some of them need to be kept short, and this is one.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on March 19, 2019, 12:44:36 PM
FWIW this is the most interested I've been in Randy for a decade.
Its ever since that twerking video got leaked.

I also agree entirely that the word Leukemia needs to never be mentioned in any promo ever and should only be mentioned on screen in genuine Make A Wish / Charity awareness stuff from real life. It just makes you take intake of breath. Go away heat.

And how any of you didn't like that Ronda stuff? She is brilliant in this role as was obvious months ago.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Huxleys Babkins on March 19, 2019, 01:05:12 PM
They should have kept Roman benched until Summerslam. He's come back way too soon to sustain that sympathy heat.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 19, 2019, 02:39:17 PM
According to the Meltz, there is a different match planned for Cena at Mania.

Hopefully Angle and Corbin will be a quick squash. With 17 potential matches, some of them need to be kept short, and this is one.

I'd rarely say a retiring legend should go over a newer young talent on their way oot the door but...
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on March 19, 2019, 02:50:31 PM
That Raw was so bad, wasn't it? Three weeks until Mania and that's the shite they're churning out.

Elias v No Way Jose?
Those Moment of Bliss segments need to stop.
Balor and Lashley feel like they've been feuding for an entire year.
Crews v Corbin?
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 19, 2019, 02:51:51 PM
Yeesh it looked like a big show on paper but I haven't downloaded it yet

Strowman for the Battle Royal though? What a waste
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on March 19, 2019, 02:54:29 PM
Strowman's probably going to do some spot with those SNL goons. Maybe the return of 10-year-old Nicholas.

Looking forward to Smackdown tonight at least. I was kind of hoping the gauntlet match would go the full two-hours, especially with them announcing it's opening the show. But now they've announced a Shane/Miz segment and Bayley/Sasha appearance, it's probably not going the full two hours. Still, should be fun.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 19, 2019, 02:59:02 PM
Strowman's probably going to do some spot with those SNL goons. Maybe the return of 10-year-old Nicholas.


Laughed at the Worst Gimmick Observer award including Nicholas

Smackdown is kicking Raw's arse. Nothing new there but Mania is a couple weeks away!

Kofi in a gauntlet match should keep him way over. That's a kind of Babyface Against the Odds I like - actually prove it in the ring.

Maybe AJ will sabotage Orton's match. That's the thing about Smackdown - I enjoy finding out! Angles happen, they often have meaning and the matches are proper matches. Not hard is it?
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on March 19, 2019, 03:57:24 PM
It was okay for Rollins to lose like that last night as McIntyre looks strong (and they've fully established idea that Rollins is basically a bit of a headcase who can't control himself either way) but they need Rollins to just run through people like Ronda now up to Mania whether he is beating Lesnar or not.

Rollins isn’t really a destroyer though. He’s a survivor. He can run through as many people as he wants, but it won’t be believable when compared with Lesnar. His ironmatch showing on Raw a while ago established his resilience, presumably why the crowd root for him, similar with Kofi.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 19, 2019, 04:01:58 PM
I thought he was an architect who then burns it down to slay the King
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on March 19, 2019, 04:23:21 PM
Rollins character should be the guy who finds a way to win with tactics, outsmarting his opponents. That's what I thought he was supposed to be as the Architect, especially after his win over Trips at Mania. But there's no consistency of characters in WWE.

Him losing to Drew, 3 weeks from Mania, just to build McIntyre for his inevitable defeat to Reigns, boils my piss. There was no need to book that match, but they couldn't resist.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on March 19, 2019, 04:38:20 PM
Fair enough. As I was watching I was thinking how they going to get out of the (what was a good) match without beating either one of them. I do see your point. Should have been a double DQ or something.

Last nights show just made me crave squash matches.

Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on March 19, 2019, 04:46:58 PM
I'd have no problem with a squash match each week on both shows (maybe 2 on Raw). So long as it's not the same act doing the squash all the time. That gets boring. Would be nice just to see an AJ or Seth show off a few moves against an indie lad.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 19, 2019, 04:56:51 PM
Why do they give away so many PPV quality match ups (maybe not matches!) on TV?

I can answer it myself with Short Term Booking For Ratings but it doesn't work does it?

Not even if you accept the narrow prism of TV Rights are Everything. Drew / Rollins could be a post Mania program. When D Bry first came back they juuuust couldn't wait

Reckon even steven booking is it again. I'd like a lower rung of jobbers, yknow? Shit, you could even promote one once in a while as an underdog. Just don't fucking sell losing stream as a gimmick, never gets over

There's just such a lack of imagination.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on March 19, 2019, 09:33:47 PM
Someone filmed Seth's beatdown of Drew and caught the ridiculous lengths the cameramen have to go to in order to achieve Kevin Dunn's bullshit camerawork. Just ignore the gobshite's commentary.

https://twitter.com/WrestlinGifs/status/1107844137330446336 (https://twitter.com/WrestlinGifs/status/1107844137330446336)
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on March 19, 2019, 09:48:55 PM
Also, what a shame Chad Gable isn't considered a big enough name for Kurt's last match. They could've told a hell of a story.

(https://i.ibb.co/hmQfL8s/Screenshot-2019-03-19-Capt-Karnstein-Wrasslin-on-Twitter.png)
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 19, 2019, 11:33:56 PM
Kurt vs Team Angle, now that = buys
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: magval on March 19, 2019, 11:44:13 PM
What IS the saying about heroes becoming rivals? Is there one?
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on March 19, 2019, 11:58:19 PM
Kurt vs Team Angle, now that = buys

Shame they never brought American Alpha up as the new team angle. Instead we got My Black Son.

Anyway, it's nearly Kofi time on Smackdown. Loving these 12 o'clock starts.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on March 20, 2019, 12:16:33 AM
So much for the gauntlet match kicking off the show.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 20, 2019, 12:22:05 AM
So much for the gauntlet match kicking off the show.

I thought they announced it

Shows what WWE know
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on March 20, 2019, 12:35:51 AM
It's gonna close the show at this rate.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on March 20, 2019, 12:40:39 AM
So we could have had Rey / Andrade mask-vs-hair and Joe (or even R-Truth) doing the US title open challenge to with Cena coming out as a surprise and instead we are just getting Rey/Joe in a match with no build.

They really have forgotten how to script anything that is vaguely fun and exciting haven't they? How come their backroom team is stuffed full of TV writers who know the secret to US TV comedy is constant feedback from audience, yet they never fucking listen. Urgh.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on March 20, 2019, 12:44:18 AM
Kevin Owens there, oozing more natural charisma and ease on the mic (in his second language) there than either of his guests.

So we could have had Rey / Andrade mask-vs-hair and Joe (or even R-Truth) doing the US title open challenge to with Cena coming out as a surprise and instead we are just getting Rey/Joe in a match with no build.

They really have forgotten how to script anything that is vaguely fun and exciting haven't they? How come their backroom team is stuffed full of TV writers who know the secret to US TV comedy is constant feedback from audience, yet they never fucking listen. Urgh.

Vince innit.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on March 20, 2019, 02:00:45 AM
So they just couldn't resist overbooking the Kofi mania run. Load of shit.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on March 20, 2019, 02:02:06 AM
Well I thought that was one of the most boring things I have ever seen. How can you have an underdog that is being screwed by the authority that is booked to win a gauntlet by the authority.

Oh here we go. More Vince.

Ha ha. And now they have Bryan beat him for the SWERVE. Urgh.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on March 20, 2019, 02:03:44 AM
So they just couldn't resist overbooking the Kofi mania run. Load of shit.

Absolute load of shit. Waste of two hours of my life that. If Bryan has lost there that would have been three pins in a few weeks making HIM the underdog. Seriously why do we bother?
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on March 20, 2019, 02:25:07 AM
TBF I have just checked Twitter and it seems to be universally full of HEAT for Vince and the 'racist WWE' who has denied Kofi his place at Wrestlemania. We all know Vince's long term memory lasts about 3 weeks but maybe he's just a visionary; maybe he is the blueprint for all wrestling fans as it appears from reading Twitter that most people can't remember back.... oh.... maybe 90 mins when Becky was interviewed about her Mania match despite being repeatedly "denied the opportunity".

---

To offset all of this brain rot I have managed to learn another 100 kanji and am making good progress to point where I am determined to have a chat with Tanahashi in Japanese in the Summer. :)

But for now... お休みなさい
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on March 20, 2019, 02:32:30 AM
Kevin Owens there, oozing more natural charisma and ease on the mic (in his second language) there than either of his guests.

Vince innit.

I usually love Owens but I felt he was very awkward in that segment. Stumbling and not funny.

And yeah, they’ve overbooked the Kofi story just like the women’s match now. No doubt we’ll get New Day Occupy Smackdown next week.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on March 20, 2019, 12:14:19 PM
Great New Day promo: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SwCs42l1M&utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on March 20, 2019, 01:30:37 PM
How did they manage not only to drop the ball on both their hottest storylines in years (Rousey VS Becky VS Charlotte and Kofi VS Bryan) but also waste a potential great US title angle, the Kurt Angle retirement match and Braun Strowman?


This Mania is going to be the most mediocre Mania in years. Baffling.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Delete Delete Delete on March 20, 2019, 01:32:21 PM
They havn't dropped the ball at all on Kofi or the Womens match. Its story telling and they have tv to fill, just because it dosn't fit what we fantasy book in our heads dosn't mean its bad.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on March 20, 2019, 01:34:58 PM
I disagree. I think it is bad storytelling. They overcomplicate things.

Fans will be less interested in nearly all Mania matches the moment Mania starts.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on March 20, 2019, 01:38:02 PM
That New Day promo brought me back around (also, I was in a bad mood yesterday, so probably judged Smackdown more harshly than usual). I guess I just would have liked the WWE title match to have been set in stone by now, with WM this close. But we're probably getting it next week after some mass walk-out/protest on Smackdown, which could be fun I suppose, even if it is just mimicking the Bryan/Authority storyline.

Also, the crowds are still reacting, to the Kofi feud and the women's feud, so I guess that's what counts, even if I don't personally like some of the way they've booked things.

PS - Miz's promo last night was ace. Never thought he'd work as a face so well.

EDIT: Another great Big E twitter promo: https://twitter.com/WWEBigE/status/1108388035027263488
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on March 20, 2019, 06:30:16 PM
Yeah, good promos from New Day and Miz there. Great stuff on Smackdown last night. The Mr. McMahon character is very different for this storyline, isn't he? He hasn't explained why he hates Kofi, or even shown any particular animosity towards him. He's calmly trying to ruin his career for fun, it seems. That character usually wears his emotions openly. Perhaps in the coming weeks as the pressure builds on him to put Kofi in the match, he'll start to fly off the handle. WE NEED MORE YELLING, DAMMIT!
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on March 20, 2019, 07:42:36 PM
THIS is a promo.

https://twitter.com/wrestlingsheet/status/1108394083939082240?s=21

Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Delete Delete Delete on March 20, 2019, 07:44:49 PM
THIS is a promo.

https://twitter.com/wrestlingsheet/status/1108394083939082240?s=21
No Alarms And No Suprises.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on March 21, 2019, 05:47:38 PM
Psst! There's rumours going around that Seth Rollins and Becky Lynch are dating. Pass it on but shhhh!
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on March 21, 2019, 06:14:41 PM
Oh no! Those crazy Shield fangirls are gonna hate Becky now. Still, nice to see an open relationship in wrestling between two men.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on March 22, 2019, 12:56:04 AM
Dean Ambrose telling a brilliantly terrible joke.

https://twitter.com/adampacitti/status/1108678847459979264 (https://twitter.com/adampacitti/status/1108678847459979264)
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Mobius on March 22, 2019, 02:12:50 AM
Can't wait for NXT Takeover on Mania weekend.

NXT Tag Team Championship Match:
War Raiders vs. Dusty Rhodes Classic Winners (already determined, but yet to air on NXT)

WWE UK Championship Match:
Pete Dunne vs. WALTER

NXT North American Championship Match:
Velveteen Dream vs. Matt Riddle

NXT Women’s Championship Fatal Four-Way Match:
Shayna Baszler vs. Io Shirai vs. Bianca Belair vs. Kairi Sane

Two of Three Falls Match For Vacant NXT Championship:
Johnny Gargano vs. Adam Cole

Lots of people missing from the card too. Undisputed Era, Matt Riddle, Keith Lee, Velveteen Dream. Probably be some NXT guys at Wrestlemania Access as well, and it looks like Kyle O'Reilly, Montez Ford and others will be working the EVOLVE show that weekend.

So many good matches dotted around various shows by the looks of it - someone has compiled it all here (https://www.voicesofwrestling.com/wrestlemania-weekend-2019-schedule-map/)

edit - thanks Ja'Moke not sure how I forgot that one - updated my list just so it's correct
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Post by: Ja'moke on March 22, 2019, 02:55:58 AM
Dream v Riddle for the North American title too.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: mikeyg27 on March 22, 2019, 05:51:56 PM
WWE have a gallery on their site of Superstars When They Were Fans (https://www.wwe.com/gallery/wwe-superstars-when-they-were-fans-photos#fid-40341353) and this photo blew my fragile little mind:

(https://www.wwe.com/f/styles/gallery_img_l/public/all/2019/03/022_GarganoPersonal_001_design--dcbc8d95ca851704b4a9cb4f227a37d7.jpg)
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on March 22, 2019, 05:57:15 PM
More like Johnny Gargantuan.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on March 22, 2019, 06:09:35 PM
What the fuck?!!

(https://www.wwe.com/f/styles/gallery_img_l/public/all/2019/03/036_RicochetPersonal_001_design--0183e9e03da7cafb9b0d7c2df96c4b4b.jpg)
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 22, 2019, 06:11:37 PM
I suddenly like Bayley WAY more!

(https://i.imgur.com/iToXyQt.jpg)
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: mikeyg27 on March 22, 2019, 06:22:56 PM
What the fuck?!!

Ricochet about to audition for the lead in Hamilton there. Still, I don't think that's even the best 'meeting Triple H' photo in the set:

(https://www.wwe.com/f/styles/gallery_img_l/public/all/2019/03/047_CurtHawkins_011--37d6e98740619847e7c515a29db2e913.jpg)

Also this photo of a teenage Roman with a cardboard cut-out of Trish and a pile of towels in the foreground and you can write the rest of this wanking joke yourself:

(https://www.wwe.com/f/styles/gallery_img_l/public/all/2019/03/002_ROMAN_0094--2373a9fcd53c4e2cbb0e3f39fefb5d71.jpg)
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Shameless Custard on March 23, 2019, 06:27:54 AM
Just finished Bret's book. Was as good as I'd heard, and it's really well written. It's a bit out of date now, so by the end he still hates Shawn, Vince, Triple H. Now I think it's only Triple H. "What's he ever....done?"

What's everyone's favourite rasslin' books?

Ring Of Hell was bleak as fuck, though gripping. Death Of WCW is obviously a classic. Really liked Foley's first two books. Lawler's was okay, though his fondness for young girls and the fact that he has a Coca-Cola shrine in his house was a bit off putting. Jericho's first two are pretty fun, though I always avoid the Fozzy chapters in his books.

Was thinking of going for Austin's, but it's ghost written, isn't it?
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 23, 2019, 08:26:24 AM
I really like The Pro Wrestling Hall of Fame: The Heels. Reading well researched bios of all these old dudes. And some are crazy. It's a fun read. I've read the Faces and Tagteam ones too but the Heel one seems to have more dudes who lived the gimmick!

Hardcore Holly's book was better than it had any right to be. It is probably my favourite autobiography, save Bret's.

Sex, Lies, and Headlock is probably the best book on Vince McMahon's 1990s (this was published 2004). The steroid trial coverage in particular is exemplary

I was in Chester this week and in the Claire House charity shop they had, right there in the window, Martha Hart's Broken Harts!
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Post by: ads82 on March 23, 2019, 10:54:43 AM
Great semi final matches in the New Japan Cup. Okada and Ishii was great as expected but I really enjoyed Sanada and Tanahashi. Sanada has improved so much in the last few years I could definitely see him as a future IWGP champ. Tanahashi is one of the best wrestler's I've ever seen, he's so composed and aware of subtle actions that help bring out the drama in a match. His heel work in against Sanada was masterful.
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Post by: Ja'moke on March 23, 2019, 12:38:10 PM
I read the Brian Pillman book last year, Crazy Like A Fox. Well worth checking out.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on March 23, 2019, 12:52:11 PM
Sex, Lies, and Headlock is probably the best book on Vince McMahon's 1990s (this was published 2004). The steroid trial coverage in particular is exemplary

Was gonna suggest this one. It's great for details on WWE's business dealings and how Vince is truly a mental bastard.

I read the Brian Pillman book last year, Crazy Like A Fox. Well worth checking out.

Keep meaning to get this. Heard only praise for it.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on March 23, 2019, 01:00:06 PM
Ibushi confirmed for London. What a fucking show.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on March 23, 2019, 01:07:55 PM
I was in Chester this week and in the Claire House charity shop they had, right there in the window, Martha Hart's Broken Harts!

Did you buy it? Want.
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Post by: ToneLa on March 23, 2019, 01:09:19 PM
Did you buy it? Want.

Nah, just stood there a bit amazed it was next to the likes of Nigella

Go buy it!! Unless there's a rush on....
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Post by: hummingofevil on March 23, 2019, 01:11:59 PM
Which shop was it in? I’m back up in Toon but going to send my mother. :)
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ToneLa on March 23, 2019, 01:14:03 PM
Which shop was it in? I’m back up in Toon but going to send my mother. :)

Claire Hoose I think, on Frodsham St

It's right there in the window!
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Post by: hummingofevil on March 23, 2019, 01:17:35 PM
Cheers.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on March 23, 2019, 02:11:15 PM
It’s gone. Bastards
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Post by: ToneLa on March 23, 2019, 02:12:58 PM
Bah! It was only there Tuesday.

Ah well. It's used on Amazon for 90p. I was just so amused seeing it in the wild...
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on March 23, 2019, 02:51:11 PM
I assume you’ve heard the lapsed fan readings? Fucking hilarious but so grim.

Speaking of which I’ve somehow found time to catch up with everything so now onto their Von Erichs stuff. Now that IS grim.
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Post by: ToneLa on March 23, 2019, 02:52:51 PM
Yeah, the Lapsed Bookshelf is a top segment, especially when JP does it in character!

This World Class series is ace. I ignored it for so long. Hope they do Superstars though, been enjoying that on the network
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Post by: An Actual Propeller on March 23, 2019, 09:25:25 PM
On books!

Best ones I’ve read are Crazy Like A Fox, Bret Hart’s, first two Jericho, first two Foley (goes rapidly downhill from there), Death of WCW, and The Wrestling by Simon Garfield (about UK wrestling from yesteryear). Daniel Bryan’s book is also really good.

Martha Hart’s is pretty good, as is Terry Funk’s, Bob Holly’s. . . Diana Hart’s Under The Mat is awful but intriguing.

Apparently excellent ones on my reading pile include Jj Dillon’s ‘Wrestlers Are Like Seagulls’, Gary Hart’s book, Chokehold by Jim Wilson. Also got Chyna’s and both of Hogan’s on the pile, but they can wait.
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Post by: hummingofevil on March 23, 2019, 11:13:29 PM
I've got Martha Hart and Diana Hart mixed up haven't i? Oh well...

What were the Japanese books you recommended AAP? I am going to try to read Eggshells: Wrestling In The Tokyo Dome by Chris Charlton (the guy on English commentary who speaks Japanese).
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Post by: hummingofevil on March 23, 2019, 11:15:35 PM
The Diana Hart book pdf is instantly available if you Google it. Fuck me that first sentence is horrific.

Speaking of horrific is it just me who dies a little inside at the words "Mike Sempervive riding solo today"; you know you are in for a long hour of radio.

Oh and if any of you subscribe to F4W/WON but don't listen the Brian, Vinny and Granny show you have to listen to this week's. She is hilarious at the best of times but was on top form this week and her "any other business" story had me spitting my tea out laughing.
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Post by: Z on March 23, 2019, 11:44:49 PM
I've heard that new Nitro book is really good, anyone read it?
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Post by: An Actual Propeller on March 24, 2019, 12:23:33 AM
I've heard that new Nitro book is really good, anyone read it?

Heard it’s good, but it got praise from Eric Bischoff which puts me off buying it. Said to be pretty comprehensive though, and features interviews with folk from Turner etc that Death of WCW doesn’t have.
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Post by: An Actual Propeller on March 24, 2019, 12:29:36 AM
What were the Japanese books you recommended AAP? I am going to try to read Eggshells: Wrestling In The Tokyo Dome by Chris Charlton (the guy on English commentary who speaks Japanese).

Ive read John Lister’s ‘Puroddesy’ (anything by John Lister is worth a shot), and Chris Charlton’s books (Lion’s Pride, and Eggshells) are apparently worth a shot. Only other Puro books that may be worth reading are Shinsuke Nakamura’s ‘King of Strong Style’ and Josh Gross’s ‘Ali vs Inoki’. All received plenty of votes in the Observer Awards, which is usually a good indication of quality.
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Post by: An Actual Propeller on March 24, 2019, 12:31:51 AM
I've got Martha Hart and Diana Hart mixed up haven't i? Oh well...

Heh, yeah. Both depressing, for different reasons. Nobody really comes out of either book well, except Owen Hart.
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Post by: Shameless Custard on March 24, 2019, 06:46:39 AM
Cheers all. Gonna check these recommendations out! Especially Bob Holly's, and the biog of Brian Pillman

Apparently Hogan's is laughably inaccurate and much of it is completely made up. Which is pretty much Hogan, isn't it? Sounds grimly fascinating
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Post by: ToneLa on March 24, 2019, 09:35:39 AM
I've heard that new Nitro book is really good, anyone read it?

Yes, I am halfway through. It's very well written and clear, it is a serious attempt, which is amusing when it starts getting juxtaposed with the weirdness of mid-late WCW.

I believe the Bisch snidely recommended it as he has a shoot feud - sigh - with RD Reynolds over Death of WCW. But if anything, Nitro is making that book seem pretty much right!

  I've picked up a lot of stuff I don't recall from Death. Bischoff's early chapters are quite interesting, as is the look at Ted Turner as a person and how he ran his office - it feels like there's a lot more depth here. It isn't so much a look at pro graps as it is the show (Nitro) itself, so you get an impressive amount of context that's appreciably wider than Death.

And despite being, it seems from the text, not written for the insider perspective (it's funny when he italicises terms like heat) nothing gets past the author. It isn't mocking or opinionated like Death could be, but what he presents and shows is pretty astute with so much ground to cover. It feels really focused.

Totes recs.
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Post by: hummingofevil on March 24, 2019, 12:45:52 PM
Shameless custard.

If you haven’t already I would recommend the audio book of Death Of WCW just because the last chapter is just Bryan reading the list of the batshit stuff in TNA for half an hour. It is hilarious in its own right.
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Post by: Shameless Custard on March 24, 2019, 01:11:30 PM
Heh, that does sound good!

I imagine a The Death Of TNA book one day could be even madder than the WCW one

"And then RVD debuted, to huge cheers. Five minutes later, Sting came out of nowhere and beat him up with a baseball bat. For ten minutes straight. For no apparent reason. Still, RVD eh!"
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Post by: ToneLa on March 24, 2019, 01:26:48 PM
The Dearth of TNA

I had a dodgy IPTV subscription a while ago and it had, hilariously, a TNA 24/7 channel.

To be fair a lot of that seemed to be X-Division matches and AJ Styles matches so was eminently watchable
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Shameless Custard on March 24, 2019, 01:32:11 PM
In ring they've always been pretty good, haven't they? It's just everything else that has been bizarre or moronic. They had a killer roster at one point, with Styles, Joe, Angle, Sting, RVD, Daniels, Team 3D, Beer Money, etc.

I still think that first show when Hogan turned up is one of the weirdest wrestling shows ever aired. A real overbooked clusterfuck

Ten years ago! Oof
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Post by: Huxleys Babkins on March 24, 2019, 06:52:05 PM
God, I’d almost completely forgotten about that ridiculous domed cage that nobody could climb up to reach the belt and with supports so thick you couldn’t see what was happening inside. And then Jeff Hardy came out after the bell and sat on the top, instantly burying the talent that had half killed itself for 20 minutes.

Modest. At the top.
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Post by: petrilTanaka on March 24, 2019, 07:35:23 PM
In ring they've always been pretty good, haven't they? It's just everything else that has been bizarre or moronic. They had a killer roster at one point, with Styles, Joe, Angle, Sting, RVD, Daniels, Team 3D, Beer Money, etc.

I still think that first show when Hogan turned up is one of the weirdest wrestling shows ever aired. A real overbooked clusterfuck

Ten years ago! Oof

the time they got Hogan and Bischoff in and decided to start running live on Monday nights was their true WCW moment
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Post by: Deanjam on March 24, 2019, 11:11:01 PM
This is happening.

(https://i.ibb.co/kxjS5bf/Screenshot-2019-03-24-Kurt-Angle-on-Instagram-It-s-official-Kurt-Angle-vs-AJ-Styles-this-Tuesday-on-Smackdown-It-s-true-f.png)

Although even AJ probably couldn't get a quality match out of Kurt these days, it's nice to see a final match between 2 of my all time favourites.
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Post by: hummingofevil on March 24, 2019, 11:25:05 PM
NJPW Cup final few shows were fantastic. *spoilers coming*

The smart move of having Sanada wrestle the semi and final in front of the home crowd was really clever and gave a nice touch to the shows. Seeing a whole crowd root against Okada was fun. There is a part of me that thinks they should hold off Okada winning title back against Jay White until Wrestle Kingdom in mirror image of this years match which I absolutely loved but Okada winning in MSG to pop the Mania weekend crowd bit will be a real moment.

Tanahashi is getting involved in the UK title with ZSJ. Not sure if he is intending to wrestle at the Rev Pro shows in coming months but I will take that for London (I refuse to call it Royal Quest).

Speaking of which they have announced the meet and great for Dallas and it seems a fairly traditional set up with a going rate of $40 per meet. If that translates to £40 in London to queue for two hours to have a photo with Okada then fuck that.
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Post by: An Actual Propeller on March 24, 2019, 11:36:14 PM
Literally just seen the NJPW Cup final and it was a storming last match between Okada and Sanada. Probably the best match this year except Omega/Tanahashi. Never seen Sanada so good. Great to see him and so many others in the tournament come out so well, even Yoshi-Hashi’s stature improved. NJPW’s just the fucking best.
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Post by: hummingofevil on March 25, 2019, 01:53:11 AM
Bischoff decided to shade Cornette on Twitter. It's not ending well for him.

https://twitter.com/TheJimCornette/status/1109991543836954624
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Post by: Timothy on March 25, 2019, 09:10:47 AM
This is happening.

(https://i.ibb.co/kxjS5bf/Screenshot-2019-03-24-Kurt-Angle-on-Instagram-It-s-official-Kurt-Angle-vs-AJ-Styles-this-Tuesday-on-Smackdown-It-s-true-f.png)

Although even AJ probably couldn't get a quality match out of Kurt these days, it's nice to see a final match between 2 of my all time favourites.

That should have been the Mania match. Kurt VS AJ at Mania would have been great.

Orton VS an NXT call up would have been better. The rookie killer. Bring vicious Orton back!
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on March 25, 2019, 10:38:47 AM
Wonder what Cena is doing at Mania now. I doubt he'd miss it. Hopefully not a Rock-style time-wasting segment.
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Post by: Deanjam on March 25, 2019, 10:44:28 AM
I'm convinced he's interrupting the Angle/Corbin match.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on March 25, 2019, 10:50:56 AM
I'm convinced he's interrupting the Angle/Corbin match.

Why? That would make zero sense.
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Post by: Deanjam on March 25, 2019, 10:55:17 AM
Why? That would make zero sense.

Because no one wants Angle/Corbin and it would be a replication of Cena's TV debut where he came out to challenge Angle to a match.
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Post by: An Actual Propeller on March 25, 2019, 12:35:29 PM
Why? That would make zero sense.

A lot of things about WWE booking don't make sense.
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Post by: Ja'moke on March 25, 2019, 12:42:58 PM
Meltzer keeps saying they have "something else" planned for Cena, but hasn't given any indication of what that is. He'll probably just end up interrupting Elias.
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Post by: An Actual Propeller on March 25, 2019, 12:45:36 PM
Meltzer keeps saying they have "something else" planned for Cena, but hasn't given any indication of what that is. He'll probably just end up interrupting Elias.

Samoa Joe match isn't it?
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on March 25, 2019, 12:51:29 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if WWE starts distancing themselves from Cena like they did to The Rock in around 2005. They'll stop asking him to appear on shows and let his contract expire. Cena's been A LOT more loyal to them though, so hopefully I'm wrong.
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Post by: Deanjam on March 25, 2019, 12:57:53 PM
Samoa Joe match isn't it?

Joe's already facing Misterio.
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Post by: Deanjam on March 25, 2019, 01:02:12 PM
Nikki Bella has 'retired'. I know some folk like her but good riddance.
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Post by: An Actual Propeller on March 25, 2019, 01:05:34 PM
Joe's already facing Misterio.

Ah, nice one, glad they wrapped up Misterio's thing with Andrade first.
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on March 25, 2019, 02:36:12 PM
Ronda/Becky/Charlotte has been officially announced as the main event for WrestleMania https://www.wwe.com/shows/wrestlemania/article/wrestlemania-to-feature-first-ever-womens-main-event?sf209889197=1

Not sure why this has been debated, it was their clear intention from the outset, even since they signed Ronda.
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Post by: Deanjam on March 25, 2019, 02:51:29 PM
The crowd's gonna be dead from about halfway up to the main event. They'll be spent from the first 4 hours and saving themselves for Becky. God help who goes on second last.
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Post by: Ja'moke on March 25, 2019, 03:02:52 PM
From the kick-off show to the Mania main event. It's been quite a year for Becky!
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on March 25, 2019, 03:05:25 PM
The crowd's gonna be dead from about halfway up to the main event. They'll be spent from the first 4 hours and saving themselves for Becky. God help who goes on second last.

I can see them using their energy on Kofimania and being a bit lukewarm for Becky. Reflects how things have been going recently.
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Post by: Huxleys Babkins on March 25, 2019, 03:15:38 PM
I can see them using their energy on Kofimania and being a bit lukewarm for Becky. Reflects how things have been going recently.

My worry is that they'll overbook the shit out of the match to justify Charlotte's presence. I wish they'd remove her from it already. She doesn't need to be anywhere near it.
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Post by: hummingofevil on March 25, 2019, 03:47:02 PM
Charlotte definitely deserves to be there. She is great and got star quality and it makes perfect business sense for them to give three women the status of first to headline. And they all going to beat the shit out of each other. It’s going to be great.
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Post by: Deanjam on March 25, 2019, 04:31:55 PM
I can see them using their energy on Kofimania and being a bit lukewarm for Becky. Reflects how things have been going recently.

Reckon Kofi will be on in the first half. HHH/Batista and Brock/Rollins will probably go on later. Gonna be a tough show to schedule.
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Post by: hummingofevil on March 25, 2019, 06:32:25 PM
Thinking about this before but 7 hours is shorter than your average day at the cricket. The difference with the cricket being that you have two scheduled food breaks and most people stagger their drinking so they are pretty pissed by close of play so it is a slow build.

Are we having a musical act this year? I think if they are not too precious and book the women's tag and musical guest in the right spots and don't let Miz-Shane and HHH-Batista go too long it should be okay. We really don't need any epic 30 min matches at all on this card. I'd book everything with 15 min limit (unofficially) apart from the Bryan-Kofi (which doesn't need more than that) and the women.
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Post by: Ja'moke on March 25, 2019, 07:02:03 PM
Thinking about this before but 7 hours is shorter than your average day at the cricket. The difference with the cricket being that you have two scheduled food breaks and most people stagger their drinking so they are pretty pissed by close of play so it is a slow build.

Are we having a musical act this year? I think if they are not too precious and book the women's tag and musical guest in the right spots and don't let Miz-Shane and HHH-Batista go too long it should be okay. We really don't need any epic 30 min matches at all on this card. I'd book everything with 15 min limit (unofficially) apart from the Bryan-Kofi (which doesn't need more than that) and the women.

"Hello, my name is Elias..."
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Post by: Huxleys Babkins on March 25, 2019, 07:09:17 PM
Charlotte definitely deserves to be there. She is great and got star quality and it makes perfect business sense for them to give three women the status of first to headline. And they all going to beat the shit out of each other. It’s going to be great.

I think she deserves the shot, yeah, I just don’t see what she brings to this angle.
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Post by: Deanjam on March 25, 2019, 07:14:29 PM
I think she deserves the shot, yeah, I just don’t see what she brings to this angle.

They're thinking beyond it. WWE cares more about marketing than storylines these days.
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Post by: hummingofevil on March 25, 2019, 07:43:50 PM
I think she deserves the shot, yeah, I just don’t see what she brings to this angle.

A good old whacking. Have they released any stip yet. Are Triple threats automatically no-DQ? I know its WWE so the idea they have actually been building any consistency in storyline is unlikely but all three of them have taken genuine beatings in last few months so if they don't let them all go at each other with ken then they are missing a trick.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on March 25, 2019, 07:53:19 PM
Are Triple threats automatically no-DQ?

Yes. Unless they're elimination rules.
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Post by: Shameless Custard on March 25, 2019, 07:54:05 PM
Decent main event/only match on NXT this week

What does everyone reckon to Velveteen Dream? The show keeps telling me he's so unique and charismatic, yet I'm not really seeing it myself. Feels a bit like a custom made wrestler you'd quickly knock up on one of the games
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Post by: Ja'moke on March 25, 2019, 07:56:43 PM
Love Velveteen Dream. His feud with Aleister Black last year completely sold him to me. I do worry about how he'll be booked on the main roster. But yeah, right now, I think he's great. And he's like, 22? Tons of potential.
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Post by: Shameless Custard on March 25, 2019, 08:12:48 PM
Ah ok, I will seek out some of his matches with Black!
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on March 25, 2019, 08:29:48 PM
Vince's hatred of full names continues, as Mustafa Ali simply becomes... Ali: https://www.wwe.com/superstars/ali

Also, Angle v Joe announced for Raw tonight.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on March 25, 2019, 09:26:14 PM
Yes. Unless they're elimination rules.

Ta. Kendo sticks ahoy it is then.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Z on March 25, 2019, 11:35:23 PM
Vince's hatred of full names continues, as Mustafa Ali simply becomes... Ali: https://www.wwe.com/superstars/ali

Also, Angle v Joe announced for Raw tonight.
Doesn't him shortening a guy's name usually come along with the guy getting a bit of a bump up the card?
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Post by: hummingofevil on March 26, 2019, 12:41:06 AM
It's not like "Ali" has ever worked before in ring sports. I approve. Maybe I'm a massive racist but I was always worried where Vince would eventually go with a guy called Mustafa.

Raw is pretty great so far. It's filler for Mania but as I said last week I don't know if it is the influence of the new booking team they have brought in but there is a pace to the show that makes it more enjoyable for what it is.

It does help that I split screen it and browse here and Twitter and got my Duolingo Japanese open at the same time but its fine.
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Post by: Mobius on March 26, 2019, 05:37:59 AM
The Riott Squad Samoa Joe and The Revival are being treated like absolute geeks and I don't like it.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on March 26, 2019, 06:46:07 AM
A beat-the-clock challenge for momentum going into Wrestlemania. Peak WWE there.

Raw sucked again.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on March 26, 2019, 06:47:57 AM
The Riott Squad Samoa Joe and The Revival are being treated like absolute geeks and I don't like it.

Revival & Joe are champions now and as such must lose every week. WWE booking rule #402.
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on March 26, 2019, 09:34:08 AM
Vince's hatred of full names continues, as Mustafa Ali simply becomes... Ali: https://www.wwe.com/superstars/ali

So they got rid of the cool part of his name? Why not Mustafa if they're so insistent on singular names?
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Post by: magval on March 26, 2019, 01:17:18 PM
My theory on the removal and adding of names was that they were trying to get them to chantable amounts of syllables - thus, Charlotte becomes CHAR LOT FLAIR, Antonio Cesaro becomes SIZ AR OH, there were a load that supported my theory, and AH LI, AH LI, AH LI would be class chant as well, if they plan on letting him get to that stage.

Doesn't work with all of them (RU SEV doesn't work as a chant), but there was a stage where I was convinced righteously of my correctitude.
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Post by: Deanjam on March 26, 2019, 02:17:36 PM
Pretty sure I once saw a video of Dusty Rhodes talking at the Performance Centre about picking gimmick names with a 2:1 or 1:2 syllable ratio for this very reason.
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Post by: Ja'moke on March 26, 2019, 02:53:45 PM
Dominic Dijakovic has got no chance.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on March 26, 2019, 04:44:25 PM
13 matches already for Mania, with Kofi/Bryan still to be added. No men's tag title matches yet or a women's battle royal. All could be possible. Nothing for Kevin Owens, which is an absolute joke.

(https://i.ibb.co/PT4BTYm/Screenshot-2019-03-26-Wrestle-Mania-35-Wikipedia.png)
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Post by: Deanjam on March 26, 2019, 05:20:26 PM
According to the Meltzer, Angle has been allowed to pick all the opponents on his retirement tour. The only one picked for his was Corbin.
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on March 26, 2019, 05:44:44 PM
Angle should have announced the retirement a while ago so this could be a proper tour, just a new dream match every week. He might shake off the cobwebs performing more regularly.
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Post by: Ja'moke on March 26, 2019, 10:02:34 PM
I'm expecting to see Demon Balor at Mania, so hopefully, that match with Lashley will be a squash. And if Angle v Corbin is going ahead, that too will hopefully be kept short. With that many matches, you can afford to have a couple of quick 'uns. I think that will also help with potential fatigue... you don't want 20+ minute match after 20+ minute match.

You want to kick the night off with something hot, and that might actually be Bryan v Kofi, even if it does feel a little harsh having the WWE title open the show. But it's a match people are invested in, will have a high work-rate, and one would hope, a feelgood moment with Kofi winning. It just sets things off on the right foot.

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Post by: Deanjam on March 27, 2019, 12:40:12 AM
Poor Asuka. I'm beginning to despise this Mania main event.
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Post by: hummingofevil on March 27, 2019, 12:41:49 AM
Poor Asuka.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on March 27, 2019, 12:43:12 AM
Poor Asuka. I'm beginning to despise this Mania main event.

Ha ha. Great minds and all that.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on March 27, 2019, 12:44:39 AM
Ha ha. Great minds and all that.

Yeah. I imagine we weren't the only ones either.
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Post by: Deanjam on March 27, 2019, 12:51:27 AM
I expected Orton to interfere but maybe not 30 seconds in.
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Post by: hummingofevil on March 27, 2019, 12:55:37 AM
Angle looks properly fucked. Let's hope these last couple of matches aren't going to finish him off. I suppose having in with Headlock Corbin should be fairly safe.
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Post by: Deanjam on March 27, 2019, 12:55:57 AM
Poor Asuka. I'm beginning to despise this Mania main event.

Of course if they add Asuka to that match at make it a fatal-4-way then I'll forgive them.
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Post by: Deanjam on March 27, 2019, 12:57:45 AM
Angle looks properly fucked.

Was quite enjoying the AJ match while it lasted. But yeah, he's buggered.
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Post by: Ja'moke on March 27, 2019, 02:12:19 AM
Sad about Asuka losing. But they won me back around with the Kofi angle. Really loved the spot with the Usos during that match.
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Post by: Huxleys Babkins on March 27, 2019, 05:57:32 AM
Poor Asuka. I'm beginning to despise this Mania main event.

Haha! I knew the overbooking wasn’t over. I knew they’d fuck it further.
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Post by: Timothy on March 27, 2019, 06:32:02 AM
I'm expecting to see Demon Balor at Mania, so hopefully, that match with Lashley will be a squash. And if Angle v Corbin is going ahead, that too will hopefully be kept short. With that many matches, you can afford to have a couple of quick 'uns. I think that will also help with potential fatigue... you don't want 20+ minute match after 20+ minute match.

You want to kick the night off with something hot, and that might actually be Bryan v Kofi, even if it does feel a little harsh having the WWE title open the show. But it's a match people are invested in, will have a high work-rate, and one would hope, a feelgood moment with Kofi winning. It just sets things off on the right foot.

Rousey Becky and Charlotte should have opened the show with Kofi winning as the feel good main event. The WWE title match shouldnt open the card especially since its the most anticipated match on the card.
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on March 27, 2019, 08:33:23 AM
Sad about Asuka losing. But they won me back around with the Kofi angle. Really loved the spot with the Usos during that match.

Yeah, Usos spot was really cool. I love the mutual respect those teams have.

Bollocks to Charlotte though. 8-time champion already?
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on March 27, 2019, 11:18:58 AM
WWE's twitter account retweeting Becky's anti-corporate attacks on Charlotte's win last night isn't really helping the character. She's raging against the machine while being backed by the machine?
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Post by: Ja'moke on March 27, 2019, 12:35:04 PM
My mate pointed out the probable reason why they put the title on Charlotte last night. So that Mania can close with this shot...

(https://lwosonprowrestling.ms.lastwordonsports.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/15/2019/03/D2oGuEoWoAIj0AP-696x392.jpg)
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Post by: hummingofevil on March 27, 2019, 12:56:24 PM
But surely the belts will be on the line in the match?
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Post by: Deanjam on March 27, 2019, 01:27:41 PM
They said last night that only Ronda's belt was on the line.

I can see the MMA bunch interfering in the match then Bayley and Sasha helping Becky and Charlotte fight them off. Then Becky beats Ronda and she and Charlotte kiss and make up after the match leaving the above money shot.
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on March 27, 2019, 01:31:52 PM
Then Becky beats Ronda and she and Charlotte kiss and make up after the match leaving the above money shot.

Oh you'd like that, wouldn't you. Filthy bugger.
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Post by: Ja'moke on March 27, 2019, 01:46:37 PM
But surely the belts will be on the line in the match?

Just the Raw women's title. For now anyway.
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Post by: Deanjam on March 27, 2019, 02:09:30 PM
Oh you'd like that, wouldn't you. Filthy bugger.

Freudian slip ...
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Post by: Shameless Custard on March 27, 2019, 03:38:52 PM
It'll bring back heartwarming memories of Eddie and B_____t at WM20!
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on March 27, 2019, 03:41:57 PM
It'll bring back heartwarming memories of Eddie and B_____t at WM20!

Which one do you think will go on to murder?
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on March 27, 2019, 03:43:11 PM
Which one do you think will go on to murder?

Definitely Bayley.
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Post by: hummingofevil on March 27, 2019, 03:47:16 PM
Thanks for info guys. Even I’m starting to go off this match now.
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Post by: Huxleys Babkins on March 27, 2019, 04:29:52 PM
Bayley, absolutely. By means of a flat Bayley Buddy forcibly inserted into the victim's anus and then inflated.
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Post by: BeardFaceMan on March 27, 2019, 05:04:45 PM
So Charlotte is Smackdown champion and Ronda is Raw champion and its only the Raw title on the line? Does this mean they're going to have Charlotte eat the pin from Becky so Ronda loses the belt but doesnt get pinned?
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on March 27, 2019, 05:12:24 PM
Bayley, absolutely. By means of a flat Bayley Buddy forcibly inserted into the victim's anus and then inflated.

The Bayley Buddies are in the enclosed pool area.
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Post by: Shameless Custard on March 27, 2019, 05:19:37 PM
Tbf, this Mania could be saved with a bit of murder
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Post by: Ja'moke on March 27, 2019, 07:55:23 PM
Tbf, this Mania could be saved with a bit of murder

Shane might die when he jumps off the WrestleMania sign.
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Post by: Timothy on March 28, 2019, 08:50:23 AM
Damn. Why did they overbook that Mania main event? They had a simple story that worked and messed it up big time. Nothing makes sense anymore.
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Post by: hummingofevil on March 28, 2019, 10:20:26 AM
Damn. Why did they overbook that Mania main event? They had a simple story that worked and messed it up big time. Nothing makes sense anymore.

It will be saved it they just all beat the shit out of each other for 20 mins but yes, I am very concerned that they going to screw up the actual layout of the match now too (which is unfair as all three have had ace PPV matches in the last 12 months). Just no run ins and swerves. Just three of them in a brawl, Charlotte moonsalting off turn buckle onto announce table and lets of kendo sticks and it will be great.

Thinking about it, people who don't watch Raw are probably looking forward to this more than anyone else. If you just a causal viewer with a passing interest who watches Raw and you just now Ronda Rousey is headlining Wrestlemania with Ric Flair's daughter and Becky (who everyone seems to like) then that is pretty much all you need to know.
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Post by: An Actual Propeller on March 28, 2019, 12:28:09 PM
I wouldn't be worried about the main event itself.  All three are going to be the most motivated they've ever been for a wrestling match, and there's hardly any run-ins or swerves in WM main events of yore*

* that one where Seth Rollins cashed in notwithstanding.  And that was a swerve that enhanced the match.
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on March 28, 2019, 04:10:04 PM
Shane might die when he jumps off the WrestleMania sign.

It would be great if heel Shane teased doing a crazy dive off something and didn't do it. Get that heat, brother!
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Post by: Huxleys Babkins on March 28, 2019, 04:26:36 PM
I wouldn't be worried about the main event itself.  All three are going to be the most motivated they've ever been for a wrestling match, and there's hardly any run-ins or swerves in WM main events of yore*

* that one where Seth Rollins cashed in notwithstanding.  And that was a swerve that enhanced the match.

James Ellsworth will end the night as Undisputed Women's Champion.
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Post by: Shameless Custard on March 28, 2019, 04:39:41 PM
It'd be great if heel Shane pushed away his kids this year. Maybe rip their matching shirts and choking them with it

Maybe he could then pretend he's smiling at his wife, before rudely sticking out his tongue
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Post by: Ludicrous Display on March 28, 2019, 06:28:03 PM
The Shane-Miz match is what I'm looking forward to most now, never thought I'd say that. Everything's falling into place, heel Shane showing off his fuck off Saudi trophy, Miz legitimately getting over as a face and Miz's dad, Christ Miz's weird dad. Making it a falls count anywhere match is the cherry on top.
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Post by: Shameless Custard on March 28, 2019, 07:12:57 PM
After just rewatching his King Of The Ring 2001 street fight with Angle, I pray they've installed cardboard partitions for this

That match is just insane. I remember watching it as it aired, and thinking it was the maddest thing I'd ever seen in wrestling.

I like the story of Vince being furious and going apeshit about it backstage too. Imagine seeing your son taking those insane bumps. Fuck me
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Post by: An Actual Propeller on March 28, 2019, 10:51:43 PM
Quick post to say that the Kenny Omega documentary ‘Omegaman: A Wrestling Love Story’ is well worth your time.
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on March 29, 2019, 07:12:52 PM
How are we feeling about the new InstaTaker gimmick?

https://www.instagram.com/p/BvmMC6qgFYL/
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Post by: Deanjam on March 29, 2019, 07:52:02 PM
Hope he recovers soon.
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Post by: Huxleys Babkins on March 29, 2019, 08:09:11 PM
Just realised that Miz Dad looks like Hector Hammond from Green Lantern.

(https://abload.de/img/hqdefault3uk69.jpg)
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Post by: Deanjam on March 29, 2019, 08:11:10 PM
Poor Asuka (#2)

(https://i.ibb.co/n0m6hJD/Screenshot-2019-03-29-Capt-Karnstein-Wrasslin-on-Twitter.png)
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Post by: Ja'moke on March 29, 2019, 09:29:47 PM
They could have just had her defend the SD women's title in the battle royal if they didn't have room for that and a singles match.
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Post by: Shameless Custard on March 30, 2019, 07:47:14 AM
Has Trips ever been more relatable than in this video, walking round with his wife, being all grumpy?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHyz7FuD_no

That should be his new gimmick. Craggy husband who's got up on the wrong side of the bed that morning
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Post by: Deanjam on March 31, 2019, 07:49:10 PM
https://twitter.com/marc_raimondi/status/1112208081457283072 (https://twitter.com/marc_raimondi/status/1112208081457283072)
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Post by: Ja'moke on March 31, 2019, 08:39:16 PM
https://twitter.com/marc_raimondi/status/1112208081457283072 (https://twitter.com/marc_raimondi/status/1112208081457283072)

That Panda pop.
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Post by: mikeyg27 on March 31, 2019, 09:13:24 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D3Ah1X-XQAci-lb.jpg:small)
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Post by: Deanjam on March 31, 2019, 09:52:27 PM
Cry! Ya little bastard!
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Post by: hummingofevil on April 01, 2019, 12:44:08 AM
I was trying to follow some of that Ice Ribbon stuff but don't think they have a live stream service and they sell DVDs. Really, really want to watch that match.

Speaking of Joshi, Meiko Satumura's Sendai Girls is coming to Manchester Academy.

https://www.tickettailor.com/events/fightclubpro/236206/#

I might be tempted but I will wait to see how ticket sales go as watching it in empty Academy 1 won't be much fun.

Also speaking of Joshi, the DDT subscription service is all changing and the search function is a nightmare to use but having got my head round it's non existent navigation I finally managed to dig out a load of old Omega, Ibushi, El Generico matches. They are, unsurprisingly cracking. Special mention goes to the OTHER match where Ibushi wrestles a sex doll, only this time in a tag with Omega where one of the spots is Omega dunking a sex doll in the Korakuen basketball ring - cerebral, creative wrestling at its best!

(If you do want to sign up to DDT you need to get the Gold membership now as they phasing out the cheaper options - it's still only 900Yen a month with first month free and i think you get the Mania week DDT show live).

--

Anyone definitely watching any of the other non-WWE/MSG events? My list looks like this:

Definites live:

- Josh Barnett's Bloodsports
- DDT
- Stardom

Almost certainly on catch up (they at 4.00am UK time):

- AIW (Steiner vs Hornswoggle has sold me)
- Joey Ryan's Penis Party

Maybes

- Chikara
- Joey Janela
- Black Label Pro
- Orange Cassidy...

I also really want to see the Rev Pro tag and main event matches so will see how it goes. Can't fucking wait now. Wrestlexmas.
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Post by: hummingofevil on April 01, 2019, 12:47:12 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D3Ah1X-XQAci-lb.jpg:small)

That is class. Sums up modern wrestling heels should be. Make the kids cry and if you can't make the adults too at least make them laugh at the kids crying.
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Post by: Osmium on April 01, 2019, 03:56:02 AM
Really, really want to watch that match.
Check here: https://twitter.com/PuroresuDream That Ice Ribbon show doesn't air until the 7th but that's where you will find it not long after.
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Post by: hummingofevil on April 01, 2019, 07:36:48 AM
Check here: https://twitter.com/PuroresuDream That Ice Ribbon show doesn't air until the 7th but that's where you will find it not long after.

Yes!!! Very cool account that and never seen it before. Cheers.
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 01, 2019, 09:53:39 AM
John Oliver dedicated over 20 minutes of his show last night to the unethical practices of Vince and the WWE https://youtu.be/LZ4h38Bbkq4

I didn't realise he was such a fan, that's probably the best mainstream summation of the issues you're going to find.
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Post by: Ja'moke on April 01, 2019, 05:45:56 PM
That John Oliver segment was great. "Wrestling is better than the things you like."

In other news, Steph making an announcement on Raw tonight regarding the WM main event. Please don't make yourself special guest ref. I assume it'll be a "winner takes all" stipulation.
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Post by: Deanjam on April 01, 2019, 05:48:33 PM
Winner takes all, but not. Right?
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Post by: Ja'moke on April 01, 2019, 05:56:50 PM
Winner takes all, but not. Right?

I could see them having the winner hold both titles for a few weeks, dropping one fairly sharpish.
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Post by: Deanjam on April 01, 2019, 05:58:21 PM
Brutus 'Ed Boulder Dizzy Hogan Brother Bruti The Butcher The Man with No Name The Zodiac The Booty Man The Disciple' Beefcake is going in the hall of shame.

(https://i.ibb.co/1qfBcF6/Screenshot-2019-04-01-Capt-Karnstein-Wrasslin-on-Twitter.png)
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Post by: Deanjam on April 01, 2019, 05:59:54 PM
I could see them having the winner hold both titles for a few weeks, dropping one fairly sharpish.

While it seems certain Becky is winning then she can only win the belt of the person she wins. I think that's how the gimmick's gonna work.
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Post by: Huxleys Babkins on April 01, 2019, 07:38:20 PM
Brutus 'Ed Boulder Dizzy Hogan Brother Bruti The Butcher The Man with No Name The Zodiac The Booty Man The Disciple' Beefcake is going in the hall of shame.

(https://i.ibb.co/1qfBcF6/Screenshot-2019-04-01-Capt-Karnstein-Wrasslin-on-Twitter.png)

You forgot the couple of weeks when he was called E. Harrison Leslie.

Beefcake must feel so honoured, being inducted purely so they can shoehorn the racist orange goblin back onto TV for ten minutes in a scenario where he won’t get booed out of the building. Really nice for him.

Hogan will never draw another fucking penny. Why don’t they just kick the cunt to the kerb?
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Post by: confettiinmyhair on April 01, 2019, 09:18:58 PM
While it seems certain Becky is winning then she can only win the belt of the person she wins. I think that's how the gimmick's gonna work.

Becky wins, drops the Austin tribute and adopts whiskey drinking Conor McGregor swagger.


Did anyone else see the strange episode of Impact where Allie gets murdered before she joins AEW?
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Post by: Deanjam on April 02, 2019, 01:13:10 AM
Serh beats down Lesnar. Definitely losing at Mania.
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Post by: hummingofevil on April 02, 2019, 01:19:33 AM
I have zero interest in that match. Almost as if them telling us for 2 years that Lesnar doesn't give a shit about wrestling has paid off. I just can't get past I think Rollins is a prick.

I've been watching Manami Toyota matches all day instead. We all know she is the best but it worth reminding ourselves once in a while.
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Post by: Crabwalk on April 02, 2019, 01:25:00 AM
Edit: wrong thread
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 02, 2019, 01:59:04 AM
Batista’s “promo” on Raw just now was hilarious.
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Post by: hummingofevil on April 02, 2019, 03:10:41 AM
And the women just topped it. That was amazing. Utterly silly yes but very much entertaining.

That knee from Charlotte and Ronda's reaction is priceless.
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Post by: Ja'moke on April 02, 2019, 03:18:24 AM
They got me back on board with the women’s match. That was hilariously nuts.
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 02, 2019, 08:24:17 AM
Ronda and Becky in the same police car was brilliant, kicking at each other like squabbling siblings. That knee from Charlotte to Ronda at the window elicited a sitcom laugh from the crowd.
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Post by: Timothy on April 02, 2019, 08:27:45 AM
I have zero interest in that match. Almost as if them telling us for 2 years that Lesnar doesn't give a shit about wrestling has paid off. I just can't get past I think Rollins is a prick.

I've been watching Manami Toyota matches all day instead. We all know she is the best but it worth reminding ourselves once in a while.

Why do you think Rollins is a prick? He comes across as a nice guy.
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Post by: hummingofevil on April 02, 2019, 11:14:49 AM
Why do you think Rollins is a prick? He comes across as a nice guy.

Not entirely sure. I'm happy to accept 90% of it is on me as the crowd buy him. Moreover, something changed as him swinging his belt at Mania after cashing in is one of my fav WWE moments ever. Not sure what changed... maybe it started with the actual Nazi girlfriend thing. I've also always found The Shield crushingly naff.

Can we just all pause a moment and reflect on how brilliant that women's section was last night? I'm laughing just thinking about it. All three of them were amazing but Charlotte > Ronda > Becky and special mention to all the security; their constant brilliant selling of getting beat up by these three has added a subtle intensity to the match that I really hope will pay off next week.
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 02, 2019, 11:17:25 AM
I've also always found The Shield crushingly naff.

Hey hummingofevil, kiss my ass.

I Walk Alone plays
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Post by: Huxleys Babkins on April 02, 2019, 11:37:16 AM
I don't like Rollins as a face. He was alright up against the Authority, but his best work has always been as a heel.
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Post by: Deanjam on April 02, 2019, 12:08:29 PM
Rollins has an evil laugh.
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Post by: Huxleys Babkins on April 02, 2019, 02:27:44 PM
Just seen the women's segment. Jesus, that's some of the funniest TV I've seen all year. Rousey crashing the car at the end had me in tears.

For all the fuckery of the past few months, it's all been worth it for that. Even if the match is shit, it'll all be worth it for that.
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Post by: hummingofevil on April 02, 2019, 04:30:42 PM
The fact we can probably disagree over what were the best bits in a 3 minute section is the best bit. Chatlotte’s knee followed by Ronda’s wiggling back I to the car only for her to reappear still mouthing off was what did it to me.

Can’t find it now but anyone see that clip of some headcase doing dives on some indie show whilst wearing handcuffs behind his back. Absolutely mental.

The Omega doc is a much watch. It makes you feel like being a wrestling fan is not embarrassing. Not that I give a fuck but it’s nice to see wrestling given such a positive treatment.
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Post by: Huxleys Babkins on April 02, 2019, 04:36:16 PM
The escalation is just amazing. I was howling throughout. I can't wait to get home and watch it again.
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 02, 2019, 04:39:38 PM
The fact we can probably disagree over what were the best bits in a 3 minute section is the best bit. Chatlotte’s knee followed by Ronda’s wiggling back I to the car only for her to reappear still mouthing off was what did it to me.

One of the best no-sells ever.
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Post by: Huxleys Babkins on April 02, 2019, 05:01:48 PM
Rousey has an hilarious head too. It's like a perfect sphere with a ponytail coming off it. You don't really notice it in the ring, but the zoomed out shots of her in the car really show it off. Like a furious ball of flesh with a Goomba's face painted on the front of it.
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Post by: hummingofevil on April 02, 2019, 05:18:16 PM
I was giggling at the shadow boxing scene earlier too. Maybe I’m disproving my previous points but there is something intrinsically funny about her. She just is obviously quite an intense person who takes herself seriously which means I can’t quite. He is a very excellent professional wrestler for all of the above.
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Post by: Timothy on April 02, 2019, 05:58:06 PM
Really hope Rousey wins the main event just for the crowd reaction.

Angle bit was great. What a career.
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Post by: Timothy on April 02, 2019, 06:30:44 PM
Ronda about her plans after Mania:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bx4jmy4_6NE
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Post by: Deanjam on April 02, 2019, 09:03:58 PM
Just watched that 3 way brawl. Was pretty entertaining. Two highlights:

1. Ronda and Becky eyeballing each other in the back of the police car.

2. The knee from Charlotte to Ronda as she was looking through the window.
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Post by: Deanjam on April 02, 2019, 09:08:52 PM
Sooooooo ... here's the brawl set to Benny Hill theme.

https://twitter.com/ProWrestleShow/status/1112910487543599104 (https://twitter.com/ProWrestleShow/status/1112910487543599104)
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Post by: Ja'moke on April 02, 2019, 09:15:42 PM
Just seen the women's segment. Jesus, that's some of the funniest TV I've seen all year. Rousey crashing the car at the end had me in tears.

For all the fuckery of the past few months, it's all been worth it for that. Even if the match is shit, it'll all be worth it for that.

The storyline might have lost me over the past couple of weeks, but I've never doubted those three are going to deliver anything other than a killer match. And that bonkers segment last night gives me hope it's going to be just as wild this Sunday.

(https://i.redd.it/e2097kqctrp21.gif)
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Post by: Spode on April 02, 2019, 10:45:09 PM
I know Becky Lynch has been calling herself The Man all year but was it really hard for Cole not to refer to her, Charlotte and Ronda as ‘these three men?’

Idiot.
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Post by: Moribunderast on April 02, 2019, 11:40:55 PM
That women’s segment was very funny but it does highlight how much WWE fucked the build to this when the highlight is a segment toeing the line between wrestlecrap and Austin with the bedpan-level iconic silliness.
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Post by: Mobius on April 02, 2019, 11:43:12 PM
Good to see Baron Corbin closing the go home show for the Mains
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Post by: hummingofevil on April 02, 2019, 11:47:14 PM
That women’s segment was very funny but it does highlight how much WWE fucked the build to this when the highlight is a segment toeing the line between wrestlecrap and Austin with the bedpan-level iconic silliness.

Given the amount of shit we put ourselves through watching this garbage I will take very funny bedpan level iconic sillines every day. :)

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Post by: Moribunderast on April 03, 2019, 12:37:10 AM
Given the amount of shit we put ourselves through watching this garbage I will take very funny bedpan level iconic sillines every day. :)

Haha, for sure. I showed the clip to my housemate who loves Ronda and Becky but despises Charlotte and that knee at the end was the first time he's ever praised her. As has been said, the comic timing and escalation was great. My highlight was when they're pulling Becky away from Ronda and Charlotte bursts out of the cop car to start fighting again. Brilliant. It was like the Family Guy chicken fight.
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Post by: Moribunderast on April 03, 2019, 01:20:28 AM
I'm no Orton fan but surely Orton/AJ is the best built match for 'Mania now? Will probably be quite good if it goes on early and gets a bit of time.
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Post by: hummingofevil on April 03, 2019, 02:01:42 AM
I'm no Orton fan but surely Orton/AJ is the best built match for 'Mania now? Will probably be quite good if it goes on early and gets a bit of time.

It is certainly benefiting from a simple, effective premise that suits both men to a tee. Only complaint is the "WWE guy" playing heel in front of a crowd of 70,000 WWE fans who have travelled 1000s miles to see the WWE is a bit odd. It shouldn't matter though as the grudge has been well established I think. In summary, I agree.
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Post by: Timothy on April 03, 2019, 08:51:35 AM
Its shaping up to be a fun Wrestlemania. Glad we decided not to go to NY this year though.
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Post by: Huxleys Babkins on April 03, 2019, 09:22:08 AM
I know Becky Lynch has been calling herself The Man all year but was it really hard for Cole not to refer to her, Charlotte and Ronda as ‘these three men?’

Idiot.

Still not as bad as when he was talking about Rousey's husband needing to control her the other week. Graves and Young instantly leapt on that.
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Post by: hummingofevil on April 03, 2019, 10:49:56 AM
The commentary is so bad that I crave Michael Cole's voice as it means that Cory Graves is not talking. His sex pest schtick (I would say gimmick - I hope to god it is a gimmick) is fucking depressing. They have somehow managed to make the commentary worse with his sexist shite. I HATE it.

Smackdown was fine.

---

I'm going to try to watch shit loads of the indie stuff this week and looking around outside of FITE TV to see if subscriptions are cheaper than their PPV prices (£7 for NJPWWorld vs $40 for MSG for example).

https://independentwrestling.tv/schedule
https://www.ddtpro.com/

900Yen is about £7 so it's you get a free trial period that covers Mania for some.

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Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 03, 2019, 10:55:48 AM
Thought Daniel Bryan's promo this week was excellent. It's amazing how he's now in the role of holding other talent down and he's so natural at it.
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Post by: Deanjam on April 03, 2019, 11:15:48 AM
Bryan's done a lot of great stuff down the years. He finds a way of making things believeable.
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Post by: BRen on April 03, 2019, 11:28:06 AM
Is Ambrose definitely leaving btw? I hope so, at least we get to see a Jon Moxley return then.
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 03, 2019, 11:44:05 AM
Bryan's done a lot of great stuff down the years. He finds a way of making things believeable.

Of course, but he always surprises me which is a testament to his talent. The most beloved underdog in WWE is now the company champion getting loud "asshole" chants. Brilliant.
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Post by: An Actual Propeller on April 03, 2019, 01:18:37 PM
Its shaping up to be a fun Wrestlemania. Glad we decided not to go to NY this year though.

On the contrary, I wish I was going to soak up all of the events that aren’t WrestleMania itself.  G1 Supercard, NXT, WrestleCon and Bloodsport events look fantastic.

Anyone got any predictions on the WM card itself?
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Post by: hummingofevil on April 03, 2019, 02:01:18 PM
Of course, but he always surprises me which is a testament to his talent. The most beloved underdog in WWE is now the company champion getting loud "asshole" chants. Brilliant.

It's why I'm in two minds about that match. Kofi winning will be nice pop but I reckon it's going to be a face win heavy show so a big face loss in no bad thing. Moreover, the idea of DB returning and going heel was silly enough and there was a point around that Seattle show and his vegan belt that I thought it was impossible for him to get booed as he was just too good; but it turns out he is SO good at what he does he actually managed to get himself booed. Which, conversely means I want him to have his heel Wrestlemania moment. Bryan getting booed out of the building will be a lovely counterpoint to his YES! movement win at XXX. Can't see how they could do that without writing Kofi out of the title scene mind so best guess is Kofi winning on Sunday.
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Post by: Deanjam on April 03, 2019, 02:18:57 PM
My guess is Kofi winning the belt but Bryan regaining it fairly quickly. I can see the WWE & Universal titles switching shows in the draft. I also think Lesnar is retaining so he'd go to Smackdown in anticipation of the big Fox changeover later in the year. I'm sure Fox will want the MMA names on their show as the rumour is they prefer a more sports driven presentation.
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Post by: Ja'moke on April 03, 2019, 02:41:10 PM
Bryan will probably win the title back after the Saudi show, as I imagine he'll refuse to go again.

Mysterio injured his ankle in his match against Corbin on Raw. If he can't make Mania, I'd be happy with Owens v Joe for the US Title.
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Post by: Huxleys Babkins on April 03, 2019, 02:53:16 PM
I'm not 100% convinced that Kofi will win. Part of me is expecting Vince to screw him over on the night.

Could go either way.
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Post by: Timothy on April 03, 2019, 02:55:45 PM
My predictions for Mania.

The Usos (Jey Uso and Jimmy Uso) (c) vs. Ricochet and Aleister Black vs. The Bar (Cesaro and Sheamus) vs. Shinsuke Nakamura and Rusev
Ricochet and Aleister Black.

WrestleMania Women's Battle Royal
Lacey Evans

Kofi Kingston vs Rowan
Vince told Kofi he's on the Mania card but never said he will be in the match against Bryan. I expect him to have to beat Rowan first.

Daniel Bryan (c) vs. Kofi Kingston
Kofi Kingston

The Boss 'n' Hug Connection (Bayley and Sasha Banks) (c) vs. The Divas of Doom (Beth Phoenix and Natalya) vs. The IIconics (Billie Kay and Peyton Royce) vs. Nia Jax and Tamina
Bayley and Sasha

Roman Reigns vs. Drew McIntyre
Roman Reigns

Bobby Lashley (c) vs. Finn Bálor
Finn Balor

Samoa Joe (c) vs. Rey Mysterio
Rey Mysterio

André the Giant Memorial Battle Royal
Braun

AJ Styles vs. Randy Orton
AJ Styles

Shane McMahon vs. The Miz
The Miz

Kurt Angle vs. Baron Corbin
Baron Corbin

Triple H vs. Batista
Batista with the whole HHH lost his career as one of the big Mania moments.

Buddy Murphy (c) vs. Tony Nese
Buddy Murphy

Brock Lesnar (c) vs. Seth Rollins
Brock Lesnar

Ronda Rousey (c; Raw) vs. Charlotte Flair (c; SmackDown) vs. Becky Lynch
Ronda Rousey
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Post by: Deanjam on April 03, 2019, 03:07:48 PM
I'll piss my sides if Ronda wins. But no way Becky's not winning.

There's also likely to be a match between Revival and Ryder/Hawkins.
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Post by: Spode on April 03, 2019, 04:31:20 PM
Assuming Bryan would be entitled to a rematch If he lost, and not really wanting to see him and Kofi again, I’d be happy for a New Day member to turn on Sunday and cost Kofi the title.

Rollins getting the upper hand on RAW surely means he’s losing to Lesnar as well.
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Post by: Ja'moke on April 03, 2019, 04:44:55 PM
I'm not 100% convinced that Kofi will win. Part of me is expecting Vince to screw him over on the night.

Could go either way.

As I suggested on Reddit, Vince should bring out a heel Hollywood Cena after the match to face Kofi.
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Post by: Deanjam on April 03, 2019, 04:48:20 PM
As I suggested on Reddit, Vince should bring out a heel Hollywood Cena after the match to face Kofi.

Someone on Twitter suggested this but with Brock.
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 03, 2019, 04:51:05 PM
Someone on Twitter suggested this but with Brock.

Hollywood Brock? I'd mark.
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Post by: Timothy on April 03, 2019, 05:24:57 PM
As I suggested on Reddit, Vince should bring out a heel Hollywood Cena after the match to face Kofi.

Why bring in a part time Cena that suddenly is heel for just one match at Mania with zero build up? That makes no sense.
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Post by: hummingofevil on April 03, 2019, 06:10:00 PM
Why bring in a part time Cena that suddenly is heel for just one match at Mania with zero build up? That makes no sense.

I agree with Timothy.

It actually makes me genuinely sad we not getting Truth Cena in US open challenge match. It would have been great fun.
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 03, 2019, 06:31:54 PM
Turns out Tommaso Ciampa isn't a piece of shit after all https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PM0mtTMfFhY
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Post by: Ja'moke on April 03, 2019, 07:00:47 PM
Why bring in a part time Cena that suddenly is heel for just one match at Mania with zero build up? That makes no sense.

#WrestleManiaMoment
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Post by: Timothy on April 03, 2019, 07:42:11 PM
#WrestleManiaMoment

A very bad Wrestlemania moment.

It would totally undermine the story. Cena would steal Kofi's spotlight with a moment that makes no sense and they would waste an angle that's already good by overbooking it. Not only that but they also have to give an explanation why Cena is suddenly a heel. It would make no sense whatsoever.
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Post by: Shameless Custard on April 03, 2019, 09:46:12 PM
I still think the best time to turn Cena would've been in a Mania match with Taker, a good few years or so ago. Couldn't get the pin, so absolutely batters Taker with a chair, and finally beats him to end the streak

It would have had nuclear heat, and some people may have even cried
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Post by: hummingofevil on April 04, 2019, 12:48:55 PM
Whilst not officially a Mania weekend event I stayed up to watch the new Beyond wrestling TV show. Was pretty good. Pretty much all wrestling for two hours. It dipped massively with an Orange Cassidy Session Moth match but Beaver Boys vs Aussie Open was a cracking tag match. I had no idea Mark Davis was that good.

I’m off to get some sunlight and tonight’s viewing is:

- IWTV Family Reunion
- Josh Barnett’s Bloodsports

Then depends what I can find. MLW and WrestleCon both have some excellent looking matches but I’ve techincally already paid for Balls Out and DDT. 

I’m just hoping Minoru Suzuki vs Josh Barnett delivers everything I want it to.

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Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 04, 2019, 03:45:11 PM
I still think the best time to turn Cena would've been in a Mania match with Taker, a good few years or so ago. Couldn't get the pin, so absolutely batters Taker with a chair, and finally beats him to end the streak

It would have had nuclear heat, and some people may have even cried

I think that would have been somewhat predictable during the build-up. A lot of speculation about a Cena heel turn, or possibly breaking the streak. What worked about Brock breaking the streak is that no one saw it coming.
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Post by: Ja'moke on April 04, 2019, 10:01:51 PM
Revival vs Hawkins & Ryder added to the Mania card... because we needed more matches. 16 in total now.
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Post by: hummingofevil on April 04, 2019, 11:16:16 PM
If you not watching these indie shows you missing out. Family Reunion was a solid fun show with mostly people I’ve never heard of having decent shortish matches but Bloodsport was fucking excellent. Main event of Josh Barnett/Minoru Suzuki just finished and was absolutely ace. Shoot-style matches featuring genuine old MMA guys (submission rules and no ropes) and it was really good. The joy of 2 hour shows that are 98% wrestling too.

Think I’m watching DDT next.
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Post by: hummingofevil on April 05, 2019, 03:38:06 AM
Well that was great too. Some matches better than others but the Battle Royale featured some extended Yoshihiko routines that were awesome (the submission stuff was genuinely impressive). The weapons match was both hilarious and brutal and the main event was a cracking wrestling match. I think the Heavymetalweight championship changed hands 9 times in total but lost count after first 3.

The women's match didn't quite deliver as the outcome was always going to be pretty obvious but Miyu Yamashita is a bad ass and Ito is a total star.

This has nothing to do with anything I have watched today but am transfixed by it.

https://twitter.com/StonedPitbull/status/1113615458526289920
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Post by: Huxleys Babkins on April 05, 2019, 09:13:56 AM
Revival vs Hawkins & Ryder added to the Mania card... because we needed more matches. 16 in total now.

The good news is we'll probably be able to watch the main event live whilst we're eating breakfast.
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Post by: Deanjam on April 05, 2019, 11:43:49 AM
Just a reminder to everyone that Takeover is tonight instead of the usual Saturday. Looks like a killer show.
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Post by: Ja'moke on April 05, 2019, 02:52:07 PM
Quote
WWE has officially announced nine inductees for this year’s Legacy class, as a part of the 2019 WWE Hall of Fame ceremony in New York. The Legacy wing was created back in 2016, primarily to posthumously honor pioneers of the earlier days of the wrestling business.

This year’s class includes:

    Bruiser Brody
    “Playboy” Buddy Rose
    Hisashi Shinma
    Joseph Cohen
    Luna Vachon
    Primo Carnera
    SD Jones
    Toru Tanaka
    Wahoo McDaniel
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Post by: Deanjam on April 05, 2019, 03:22:11 PM
Bruiser Brody being snook in by the back door there. As usual a much better group than the main HOF entrants. Also Luna was totally the modern era.
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Post by: Deanjam on April 05, 2019, 06:05:41 PM
Time for my terrible, terrible predictions. First Takeover:

War Raiders vs. Aleister Black and Ricochet - NXT Tag Team Championship - Raiders as Black & Ricochet seem like they're done with NXT.

Pete Dunne vs. Walter - WWE United Kingdom Championship - Walter wins. Time to change this title and have Walter run through the Brits on NXTUK for a while.

Johnny Gargano vs. Adam Cole - Two-out-of-three falls match for the vacant NXT Championship - Really torn on this one, but I've gone for Gargano as I think that was the original plan.

Velveteen Dream (c) vs. Matt Riddle - NXT North American Championship - Gone for Riddle as I think Dream is on his way up after Mania.

Shayna Baszler (c) vs. Io Shirai vs. Bianca Belair vs. Kairi Sane - Fatal 4-Way match for the NXT Women's Championship - Shirai to win as she's not had it yet and is more ready than Belair.
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Post by: Deanjam on April 05, 2019, 06:16:00 PM
Now Mania:

Pre-show:

Buddy Murphy vs. Tony Nese - WWE Cruiserweight Championship - Murphy to retain but I dont really care.

André the Giant Memorial Battle Royal - Braun Strowman to win the jobber rumble. Really only Ali & Andrade are possible alternate winners.

WrestleMania Women's Battle Royal - Should be Asuka but I've a horrible feeling they'll give it to Lacey Evans for der heat.

Main-show:

Brock Lesnar vs. Seth Rollins - WWE Universal Championship - Brock to retain.

Ronda Rousey vs. Charlotte Flair vs. Becky Lynch - WWE Raw & Smackdown Women's Championships - Becky to win both belts.

Triple H vs. Batista - No Holds Barred match - Hunter gets his pin back.

Kurt Angle vs. Baron Corbin - Surely they wouldn't ... No, I'm going for Angle to win.

Shane McMahon vs. The Miz - Falls Count Anywhere match - Miz wins. Shane turns purple and falls off something large.

AJ Styles vs. Randy Orton - AJ to win.

Samoa Joe
vs. Rey Mysterio - WWE United States Championship - Joe to retain after Dominic turns on Papi!

Bobby Lashley vs. Finn Bálor - WWE Intercontinental Championship - The Demon wins.

Roman Reigns vs. Drew McIntyre - Roman wins obv.

Bayley and Sasha Banks vs. Beth Phoenix and Natalya vs. Billie Kay and Peyton Royce vs. Nia Jax and Tamina - Fatal four-way for the WWE Women's Tag Team Championship - Boss 'n' Hug retain.

Daniel Bryan vs. Kofi Kingston - WWE Championship - Kofimania runnin' wild!

Jey Uso and Jimmy Uso
vs. Ricochet and Aleister Black vs. Cesaro and Sheamus vs. Shinsuke Nakamura and Rusev - Fatal four-way match for the WWE SmackDown Tag Team Championship - Usos retain.

Dash Wilder and Scott Dawson vs. Curt Hawkins and Zack Ryder - WWE Raw Tag Team Championship - Hawkins breaks his streak. Revival get the belts back on Raw.
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 05, 2019, 06:20:04 PM
So many pointless matches, just for the sake of it. Absurd that Hawkins and Ryder have made the card (even if it's pre-show) while KO is nowhere to be found.
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Post by: hummingofevil on April 05, 2019, 06:49:07 PM
Looking forward to Takeover. But first.

AIW Slumber Party was very average. Steiner / Swoggle was amusing enough (nice to see Steiner half the size he was and looking healthy). Started with a pretty grim deathmatch which put me off the rest a bit. Enjoyed Eddie Kingston vs Shinjiro Otani and the main event was fine but nothing essential.

Interspecies Wrestling presents Boner Jam 4: Balls Out was pretty shit. Worst show by far so far.

Chikara has been a predictably good show. The A Kid match was decent as expected and I liked the tag with Hermit Crab.

DDT is show of week so far with Bloodsports being close second but Barnett/Suzuki my fav match. Actually I really loved Bloodsport from top to bottom. Frank Mir Dan Severn was crap but it’s Frank Mir vs Dan Severn so it was worth it if they just stood in ring holding hands. Would love to see Davey Boy Jr in shoot match as he seem hard as nails.
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Post by: Deanjam on April 05, 2019, 06:54:45 PM
Interspecies Wrestling presents Boner Jam 4: Balls Out was pretty shit. Worst show by far so far.

Who would've thought with a title like that.
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Post by: hummingofevil on April 05, 2019, 06:56:31 PM
Who would've thought with a title like that.

Genuine LOL of the day was the link presenter on independentwrestling.tv saying that without corpsing.
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Post by: Timothy on April 05, 2019, 07:00:08 PM
Shit card for Mania. Probably only three or four amazing or great matches on a 7 hour card. Wonder if Taker is going to show up to do a Saudi Arabia promo.
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Post by: Deanjam on April 05, 2019, 07:12:12 PM
Apparently WWE has cleared 8 1/2 hours on the network for Mania. Jesus.
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 05, 2019, 07:24:39 PM
Shit card for Mania. Probably only three or four amazing or great matches on a 7 hour card. Wonder if Taker is going to show up to do a Saudi Arabia promo.

He'll probably do a panoramic in the ring for his Insta story.
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Post by: hummingofevil on April 05, 2019, 07:24:54 PM
That program after Mania starts at 6.30am GMT. No idea when it finishes though. If they do 14 matches in 4.5-5 hours it could actually be fun if matches are snappy. If they start to go long from HHH onwards and it hits 6 hours (on top of pre-show) then it’s going to suck.
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Post by: hummingofevil on April 05, 2019, 07:25:52 PM
That program after Mania starts at 6.30am GMT. No idea when it finishes though. If they do 14 matches in 4.5-5 hours it could actually be fun if matches are snappy. If they start to go long from HHH onwards and it hits 6 hours (on top of pre-show) then it’s going to suck.

Noted that I’ve watched 6 shows in just over 24 hours.
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Post by: Timothy on April 05, 2019, 07:48:32 PM
Apparently WWE has cleared 8 1/2 hours on the network for Mania. Jesus.

DAMN. With not even more then four good matches on the card. Think I skip watching live.
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Post by: hummingofevil on April 05, 2019, 09:20:48 PM
Ha ha. Bryan Alvarez just had the shittest match of Mania week so far. Absolute dogshit. I love Bryan and WOL and not making excuses for him but if you read anywhere that Orange Cassidy is the break-out star of this week ignore it; he is absolute garbage. His gimmick is that he is too cool to actually wrestle so walks around with his hands in his pockets for his matches. It fucking sucks as you would expect.

My favs so far who are getting over with bigger audiences are Maki Itoh & Miyu Yamashita, Jordanne Grace, Shingehiro Irie and I was really impressed with Davey Boy Jr as a fucking beast - I think he needs to drop the British Bulldog gear and just become a monster.
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Post by: Timothy on April 05, 2019, 09:26:47 PM
Hour and a half until Takeover.

I CAN'T WAIT!

Tomorrow night G1 Supercard right? I thought it clashed with NXT but apparently not. When is the Hall of Fame? Tomorrow?
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Post by: Deanjam on April 05, 2019, 10:02:27 PM
Tomorrow night G1 Supercard right? I thought it clashed with NXT but apparently not. When is the Hall of Fame? Tomorrow?

Yes. They moved NXT to avoid a clash.
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Post by: hummingofevil on April 05, 2019, 10:19:04 PM
Yes. They moved NXT to avoid a clash.

And booked a Hall of Fame that no-one gives a shit about as no-one will be watching!
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Post by: Deanjam on April 05, 2019, 10:44:57 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/SvrB08Z/Screenshot-2019-04-05-Capt-Karnstein-Wrasslin-on-Twitter.png)
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Post by: Moribunderast on April 05, 2019, 10:54:38 PM
Jesus, Wrestlemania sounds like it's going to be FUCKED length-wise. So glad I will be working while it's on. I can get home and fast-forward through to the things I want to see. Show will only be two hours for me!

Takeover card is amazing. Can't watch it live but look forward to getting home with a few whiskeys under me and cheering on as I watch a replay. I don't know if Adam Cole always gets the credit he deserves for how good he is in-ring. I think Cole vs. Gargano will run close to match of the weekend. They do have Naito/Ibushi and White/Okada from NJPW to contend with. And Brock/Rollins could be awesome if the stars align re: booking and crowd heat. The women's three-way has a shot, I guess, but I just think the crowd will be mostly dead after 6 or so hours.
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Post by: Moribunderast on April 05, 2019, 10:58:01 PM
Here's a game: whittle the 'Mania card down to a Takeover style (5 match card). I think it's pretty easy:

Ronda vs. Becky vs. Charlotte
Lesnar vs. Rollins
Bryan vs. Kingston
AJ vs. Orton
Samoa Joe vs. Rey Mysterio

I guess some would include HHH/Batista but, much as I love Batista, this return feels really rushed and half-baked from what I've seen. And the match will be all smoke and mirrors but probably still quite pants.
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Post by: Delete Delete Delete on April 05, 2019, 11:09:24 PM
Obvious Things I Just relalised WWE edition.

(http://pm1.narvii.com/6867/2508d7d8e067225f376379c85cf4ddddd173a802r1-1920-1080v2_00.jpg)

The Undisputed Era Symbol is made of the letters C,F,O. Cole, Fish and O'rielly. For ages I just thought it was Triangles.
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Post by: hummingofevil on April 05, 2019, 11:23:51 PM
Chikara was good but main event was relatively boring for a Chikara ladder match.

Stardom disappointed TBH. The ring broke before the show so it was delayed 30 mins and it all felt a bit flat. Picked up for the Championship match only for FITE TV to go down. Can't blame Stardom but reflected how I was feeling about it anyway.

Time for WWE head on. NXT. I haven't been watching weekly.

This card looks amazing. Let's hope it delivers eh. Says a lot where a Johnny Gargano match is the one I'm least interested in.
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Post by: Delete Delete Delete on April 05, 2019, 11:39:32 PM
Hoping Aj wipes the floor with this golden shite.
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Post by: Delete Delete Delete on April 05, 2019, 11:47:44 PM
AJ been told to put this guy over hasnt he.
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Post by: Deanjam on April 05, 2019, 11:55:51 PM
AJ been told to put this guy over hasnt he.

Yarp.
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Post by: Delete Delete Delete on April 06, 2019, 12:05:27 AM
War! War! War!
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Post by: hummingofevil on April 06, 2019, 12:22:01 AM
Fuck off with that. Yes.
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Post by: hummingofevil on April 06, 2019, 12:27:08 AM
My god. This is amazing. Anyone seen Hanson without his fat suit on? He can't be legit.
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Post by: Deanjam on April 06, 2019, 12:36:45 AM
Yeah, Ricochet & Black are deffo done in NXT. Hopefully after they lose at Mania they'll go back to singles.
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Post by: Delete Delete Delete on April 06, 2019, 12:38:16 AM
As a tag team they have chemistry, the problem is the main roster booking is crap for Tag Teams.
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Post by: Deanjam on April 06, 2019, 12:41:11 AM
Love Dream. Hate Riddle.
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Post by: Delete Delete Delete on April 06, 2019, 12:45:51 AM
I hate Riddle too, which means hes doing his job well.
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Post by: Deanjam on April 06, 2019, 12:47:08 AM
But isn't he meant to be a face?
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Post by: hummingofevil on April 06, 2019, 12:48:44 AM
But isn't he meant to be a face?

I love him. I love them both TBF but I've only seen one of them wrestling in a leisure centre in Darlington.
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Post by: Deanjam on April 06, 2019, 12:50:22 AM
I love him. I love them both TBF but I've only seen one of them wrestling in a leisure centre in Darlington.

I like him in the ring, but his character revolts me. Just like Zach Ryder always has.
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Post by: Delete Delete Delete on April 06, 2019, 01:00:27 AM
Love the Hulk up spot.
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Post by: Delete Delete Delete on April 06, 2019, 01:05:54 AM
Fuck yes, he did it! What a great story they told.
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Post by: Deanjam on April 06, 2019, 01:08:24 AM
Happy to get that prediction wrong. Match was much better than I expected.
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Post by: hummingofevil on April 06, 2019, 01:15:40 AM
The last time a junior promotion came along and shat all over the main roster to this level was when Phil Redmond managed to get Brookside cancelled after inventing Hollyoaks.
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 06, 2019, 01:16:57 AM
I want WALTER to break Pete Dunne in half and take that title.
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Post by: Deanjam on April 06, 2019, 01:20:03 AM
That UK belt is so beautiful.
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Post by: hummingofevil on April 06, 2019, 01:21:48 AM
I want WALTER to break Pete Dunne in half and take that title.

Part of me wants Pete Dunne to somehow get the win against the odds by out smarting Walteror cheating setting up a rematch. Give Dunne one win over him first. Have Walter in the Suzuki role where next time he is FUCKING MAD!!!!
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Post by: Deanjam on April 06, 2019, 01:46:19 AM
I approve of our new Austrian overlord.
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 06, 2019, 01:48:29 AM
YES!!

Dunne still got too much offence in for my liking. Great match otherwise though.
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Post by: hummingofevil on April 06, 2019, 01:48:55 AM
This could be the best PPV of all time the way if it carries on. Incredible.

Speaking of incredible.

https://twitter.com/marc_raimondi/status/1114326487665205249
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Post by: Deanjam on April 06, 2019, 01:52:37 AM
Speaking of incredible.

https://twitter.com/marc_raimondi/status/1114326487665205249

Pissing all over Zach Gowen there.
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Post by: hummingofevil on April 06, 2019, 01:54:11 AM
YES!!

Dunne still got too much offence in for my liking. Great match otherwise though.

I think the way that played out was amazing and better than I imagined. Just really want Walter vs Tyler Bate eventually. Bate throwing Walter around could be insanely good. Let Walter beat the shit out of half the roster for 12 months first mind.
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Post by: Deanjam on April 06, 2019, 02:17:30 AM
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
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Post by: Deanjam on April 06, 2019, 03:21:41 AM
Thought the main event was a little overbooked - Gargano was approaching Cena levels of kicking out of shit - but it got the happy ending they wanted. If they wouldn't be utterly ruined I would say it's time to move Undisputed Era to the main roster.
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Post by: hummingofevil on April 06, 2019, 03:34:55 AM
I know what you mean and think I agree.

It's a very brutal criticism( and a big part of it is that its late, I'm knackered and wired on caffeine after second 12h+ day of wrestling in a row) but I do start to drift a little with all these false finishes in every match. Just starts to batter my head after a while.

Undeniably brilliant stuff from all involved but my FAVOURITE match was, just like the last Takeover, the tag and maybe that was because it was first on and I could concentrate on it.

Just think, in two days time we would have been watching Mania for 2hours longer than that show was already and there is still likely to be another 90 mins to go. Ha ha.
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Post by: Mobius on April 06, 2019, 07:30:18 AM
Yeah definite SuperCena vibes from Gargano but it was an excellent match and fantastic PPV as always.

The only result I was a little disappointed with is the women’s match. Think it’s time for Shayna  to move up.

Liked how Riddle went a bit heelish there, but his chilled out stoner attitude came back and he was all yeah fair play you’ve done me there.
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Post by: Timothy on April 06, 2019, 10:08:55 AM
Turns out WWE 2K Million Dollar competition has been won by a guy that works as a WWE announcer at live events.

What a surprise.

NXT Takeover was great!
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Post by: Spode on April 06, 2019, 12:15:11 PM
Think my one wish for this weekend is for that miserable prick in the green t shirt in the front row to look like he enjoys at least one minute of the 400 hours of wrestling he’s going to watch over he next 3 days.
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Post by: Ludicrous Display on April 06, 2019, 12:20:29 PM
I know what you mean and think I agree.

It's a very brutal criticism( and a big part of it is that its late, I'm knackered and wired on caffeine after second 12h+ day of wrestling in a row) but I do start to drift a little with all these false finishes in every match. Just starts to batter my head after a while.

Undeniably brilliant stuff from all involved but my FAVOURITE match was, just like the last Takeover, the tag and maybe that was because it was first on and I could concentrate on it.

Just think, in two days time we would have been watching Mania for 2hours longer than that show was already and there is still likely to be another 90 mins to go. Ha ha.

Yeah, I always seem to get right into the first match of any Takeover, then I fade. The tag match was also my favourite, well I think Dunne-Walter will be my favourite of the night on a rewatch. My tired brain kept thinking Walter wasn't selling his fingers enough which distracted me throughout but that's a very minor criticism of a well worked match with the correct result.
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Post by: hummingofevil on April 06, 2019, 12:59:52 PM
https://njpwworld.com/p/s_series_00513_3_1

Press conference if anyone needs to get more excited. Ishimori, Bandido and Dragon Lee currently having a pretty funny press conference where the Spanish and Japanese is getting translated into English that none of them speak so they trying to bounce off each other not understanding a word of what is going on.

That the match I'm most excited for.
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Post by: Deanjam on April 06, 2019, 01:08:03 PM
Is the G1 Supercard being shown live on NJWorld tonight?
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Post by: hummingofevil on April 06, 2019, 02:09:12 PM
Is the G1 Supercard being shown live on NJWorld tonight?
M

Yes
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Post by: hummingofevil on April 06, 2019, 02:26:30 PM
Chris Charlton tweeted before asking people to login to feed before 11.20pm our time to avoid feed bottlenecks. It’s £8 a month and not £40 for one show.
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Post by: Deanjam on April 06, 2019, 02:40:48 PM
M

Yes

Chris Charlton tweeted before asking people to login to feed before 11.20pm our time to avoid feed bottlenecks. It’s £8 a month and not £40 for one show.

Thanks. And noted.
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Post by: mikeyg27 on April 06, 2019, 03:23:03 PM
Yeah, I always seem to get right into the first match of any Takeover, then I fade. The tag match was also my favourite, well I think Dunne-Walter will be my favourite of the night on a rewatch. My tired brain kept thinking Walter wasn't selling his fingers enough which distracted me throughout but that's a very minor criticism of a well worked match with the correct result.

Honestly, that first match caused a chain reaction where every match after had to spend the first half building the crowd back up again, because they had become so burnt out by the second half of the previous match. But to every match's credit they DID all get the crowd losing their shit eventually. I actually thought the kick-out spam worked really well for that final fall, because by that point the crowd was completely invested and ready for anything.

If there's one NXT trope that needs toning down, it's the grabbing the opponent's face to yell something at them. It's the clearest giveaway that the end is coming.
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Post by: Deanjam on April 06, 2019, 03:53:13 PM
If there's one NXT trope that needs toning down, it's the grabbing the opponent's face to yell something at them. It's the clearest giveaway that the end is coming.

That must be a Triple H thing as it happens in the 205 matches too.
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Post by: hummingofevil on April 06, 2019, 04:29:07 PM
Honestly, that first match caused a chain reaction where every match after had to spend the first half building the crowd back up again, because they had become so burnt out by the second half of the previous match. But to every match's credit they DID all get the crowd losing their shit eventually. I actually thought the kick-out spam worked really well for that final fall, because by that point the crowd was completely invested and ready for anything.

If there's one NXT trope that needs toning down, it's the grabbing the opponent's face to yell something at them. It's the clearest giveaway that the end is coming.

The crowd were amazing I thought. Just been listening to B&V who were there and they made point that for Riddle match the crowd were 90% for Dream which forced Riddle to play heel, Walter just bullied the crowd into eventually losing their shit for him and the reaction to the last 5 mins of main event was best live crowd they’ve been in since HHH tombstoned Taker. People lost their fucking shit and the best with was it was in response to what was going on in ring and not just crowd getting themselves over. Amazing stuff really.

Hope this crowd for tonight are hot too but in a Japanese way. I won’t be surprised if they are a bit flat as the NJPW show in went to seemed to magically turn a UK crowd into a well behaved Japanese type one to point where the half dozen pissed up dickheads who were determined to sing shut the fuck after a couple of matches; it was great. Watch the match, clap politely with encouragement then slowly build to losing shot at big points. My kind of fans.
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Post by: Timothy on April 06, 2019, 04:29:38 PM
Becky Lynch Mania video package

https://youtu.be/nlluiRQwvTY
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Post by: hummingofevil on April 06, 2019, 04:35:50 PM
Becky Lynch Mania video package

https://youtu.be/nlluiRQwvTY

If Rousey and Becky wear their PPV eye makeup Im cheering for Charlotte.

It is true about this mania though. The anticipation is ten times more exciting if you haven’t followed the build so the logic is just not to bother watching Raw and Smackdown in future. If all you’ve seen is the talk-show appearances, the Twitter stuff and the video packages (and Monday’s cop segment admittedly) then that is enough to make you red hot for this; actually watching WWE TV makes it worse
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Post by: Ja'moke on April 06, 2019, 08:44:13 PM
War Raiders v Ricochet & Black and Dunne v Walter both fantastic matches. Others were all strong too, but I did think Gargano kicked out too much towards the end of the main event, and also I really wanted Cole to win.
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Post by: hummingofevil on April 06, 2019, 10:09:51 PM
Joey Janela 3 was fantastic. The card looked very light beforehand and now I’ve watched the show it all makes a lot of sense why. Two of the matches were utterly unique that have never been done before. Genuinely brilliant, creative stuff.

The Orange Cassidy show was fun. I still hate him and it’s annoying me how many people are loving his gimmick but he’s undeniably over.
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 06, 2019, 10:47:05 PM
Apparently Al Wilson has passed away, right before Torrie's HOF induction. That's devastating.
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 07, 2019, 12:55:36 AM
In spite of that, she gave a brilliant, inspirational, emotional and very honest speech. One of the better HOF speeches I've heard.
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Post by: Ja'moke on April 07, 2019, 12:58:48 AM
Yeah she smashed that speech.

Also, New Day are sat front row and their reactions are the best.
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 07, 2019, 01:10:41 AM
The back and forth shots between Shane and Miz were genuinely funny. Seems like good spirits at the show tonight, usually it’s a weirdly tense atmosphere.
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 07, 2019, 01:16:28 AM
Oh my god.
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Post by: Delete Delete Delete on April 07, 2019, 01:16:46 AM
What the fuck.
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Post by: Delete Delete Delete on April 07, 2019, 01:22:30 AM
Bret doing a great job considering what just happend.
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Post by: Ja'moke on April 07, 2019, 01:22:33 AM
What an absolute cunt (for those not watching, a fan stormed the ring and tried to attack(?) Bret Hart). Feed cut off for a few seconds. When it came back loads of wrestlers were in the ring as security dragged the guy out.

https://twitter.com/wwecritics/status/1114683300629614593?s=21

https://twitter.com/wrestlinggnewss/status/1114685404534464517?s=21
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Post by: Delete Delete Delete on April 07, 2019, 01:25:04 AM
How stupid would you have to be to do that in a room full of some of the toughest people in the world.
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 07, 2019, 01:28:44 AM
Massive respect to Bret for continuing the speech and knocking it out the park.
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Post by: Ja'moke on April 07, 2019, 01:45:03 AM
Dash Wilder knocked that fan out with a sneaky uppercut: https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/baax1w/dash_wilder_knocking_guy_who_attacked_bret_out/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app
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Post by: hummingofevil on April 07, 2019, 01:52:09 AM
And the guy in the ring with the yellow trousers who got to him through the security and pounded the fuck out of him was Davey Boy Jr. And after watching Bloodsports I really wouldn't want to be on the end of him. Fucking mess that is.

--

The G1 show is absolute garbage so far. Its dragging like fuck and it's actually really poor. So frustrating. The Honour Rumble on pre-show was good fun, Osprey Cobb was a perfectly good match but since then it's not good at all.

Hopefully, they getting the ROH stuff out the way and will ramp up with NJPW matches.
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Post by: Deanjam on April 07, 2019, 01:57:48 AM
Hopefully, they getting the ROH stuff out the way and will ramp up with NJPW matches.

Aye. It's reminding me why I don't watch ROH.

That Bret thing was nuts. Bet they go back to the usual staging next year.
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Post by: Deanjam on April 07, 2019, 02:05:46 AM
New Day looked thrilled to see Hogan.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D3guNY3WsAEHFfV.jpg:large)
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 07, 2019, 02:07:35 AM
https://twitter.com/seanrosssapp/status/1114692886644367361?s=21

Best view of the attack I’ve seen so far. Travis Browne went for him!
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Post by: Delete Delete Delete on April 07, 2019, 02:12:12 AM
Cena looks like he should be hosting Wheel of Fortune.
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Post by: Delete Delete Delete on April 07, 2019, 02:19:31 AM
Fuck me 619 wishes John, well done.
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Post by: Ja'moke on April 07, 2019, 02:35:53 AM
Is it true Enzo and Cass jumped the barricade at the G1 show?
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Post by: Deanjam on April 07, 2019, 02:37:50 AM
Is it true Enzo and Cass jumped the barricade at the G1 show?

Yes.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D3g4J2iX4AAeoKW.jpg)
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Post by: Ja'moke on April 07, 2019, 02:39:00 AM
Storyline?
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Post by: Deanjam on April 07, 2019, 02:41:41 AM
Storyline?

No idea. You'd have to be desperate to hire them, but it is ROH so maybe. They didn't really give it any attention on the broadcast though. Here's a bit of video.

https://twitter.com/SportsCourier/status/1114702389641187329 (https://twitter.com/SportsCourier/status/1114702389641187329)
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Post by: Mobius on April 07, 2019, 02:46:52 AM
God was that really Enzo and Cass. Commentary didn’t seem to give a fuck, not sure if a work. Also sure I Bully Ray run out?

ROH is a bit lame isn’t it. The Kingdom suck so bad. The Honour Rumble ending was bullshit
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 07, 2019, 02:49:35 AM
What a weird night for wrestling.
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Post by: Delete Delete Delete on April 07, 2019, 02:57:17 AM
Degenerated Hair!
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Post by: hummingofevil on April 07, 2019, 02:58:21 AM
Reporting it was 100% work. They went out of their way on commentary to not mention it whilst mentioning something was happening. Looks like they got some decent digs in on each other mind.
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Post by: Ja'moke on April 07, 2019, 03:04:49 AM
Triple H scared of AEW eh.
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Post by: Ja'moke on April 07, 2019, 03:07:12 AM
Ok that goofy glasses bit made me laugh.
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 07, 2019, 03:15:31 AM
Reporting it was 100% work. They went out of their way on commentary to not mention it whilst mentioning something was happening. Looks like they got some decent digs in on each other mind.

Somehow the best and worst timing to do that angle.

DX segment has had some funny lines with some cringe comedy. Very suitable for their legacy.
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Post by: Moribunderast on April 07, 2019, 03:19:09 AM
I just watched NXT Takeover. Holy hell. It's almost impossible to judge because they're all so damn good but that felt like maybe the best one they've done. 4 matches that were great and the women's match bottomed out at a mere "very good". The opener was great tag team wrestling and I loved the recurring theme of Black and Rowe facing off with further wear and tear and less exhibitionistic respect each time. Riddle/Dream was brilliant with both guys having incredible charisma in very different ways, melding great in-ring action with exceptional character work.

WALTER/Dunne felt a bit up-and-down at times (possibly because the crowd was a bit tired after going wild for those first two matches) but by the end it was a great war and the right man won. Hopefully Dunne now comes to NXT US and gets involved in a title picture there. I guess they'll do a rematch with WALTER for the next NXT UK Takeover but after that I don't think there's much point Dunne staying there. He's done it all and is too good not be at least a Main Eventer on the main NXT roster.

The women's match was good for what it was - I think the crowd are not quite sure of Belair because she seems to be very heelish but hasn't actually turned, per se. The Sky Pirates are all kinds of talented and adorable and Bazsler feels like she may have reached her ceiling in terms of in-ring work but her character work is top-tier.

As for Adam Cole/Gargano - well, I said it had a good chance of being Match Of The Weekend and I reckon it will be hard for anything to top it. Just reached an insane crescendo, playing off the years-long build of Johnny as a top contender and managed to turn the pro-Cole crowd completely against him by the end thanks to the Undisputed Era's shenanigans. Absolute belter of a match that had me emotionally moved by the very end - even moreso for the post-match with Johnny's family and, finally, Tomasso Ciampa. Fucking beautiful stuff and, much as I like Becky Lynch, I just don't think that moment or any moment at 'Mania will match that final shot of Takeover for heart-warming emotion. Beautiful stuff.

I guess I better start watching the NJPW/ROH show now. Might wait 'til it's mostly done so I can skip most of the ROH stuff. Avoided this thread to avoid spoilers but seeing the names Enzo and Cass has me somewhat terrified!
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Post by: Mobius on April 07, 2019, 03:19:25 AM
Enzo and Cass suck. Bad move from ROH I think. Kind of telling they didn’t want them on camera on this show..

Love Naito and Ibushi
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Post by: Deanjam on April 07, 2019, 03:21:40 AM
Love Naito and Ibushi

I'd appreciate it if they'd stop dropping each other on their heads though.
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Post by: Mobius on April 07, 2019, 03:27:29 AM
I'd appreciate it if they'd stop dropping each other on their heads though.

I cannot understand how they wrestle that style consistently without becoming paralysed. Just brutal.
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Post by: Mobius on April 07, 2019, 03:38:47 AM
Matt Taven is so uncool. The Kingdom really sucks
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Post by: hummingofevil on April 07, 2019, 03:42:13 AM
The biggest take from this show so far is NJPW need to get away from ROH and in with AEW asap. The ROH stuff has been worse than dire it’s actively undermines what NJPW matches trying to achieve. ROH Twitter accounts tweeting about Enzo and Cass whilst Naito Ibushi are trying to rip it up.
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Post by: hummingofevil on April 07, 2019, 05:06:40 AM
Well that righted itself. Last 3 hours was much better. I actually really liked the ROH main event and Okada White proving once again no one comes close to Okada for telling in ring stories.
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Post by: hummingofevil on April 07, 2019, 05:11:02 AM
I was really impressed with Davey Boy Jr as a fucking beast - I think he needs to drop the British Bulldog gear and just become a monster.

After tonight’s madness this turned out to be the weirdest prediction of the week. In the fucking modt horrible of circumstances too mind. Can’t see how it will have anything other than positive effect on his career.
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Post by: Timothy on April 07, 2019, 09:11:47 AM
You are a complete moron to jump the ring and attack Bret.
Travis and Davey and Wilder got him good. Well deserved. That reaction of Travis and how fast he jumped that guy was unbelievable.

Shame G1 sucked. Would have been better if AEW helped them make it a better show.
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Post by: Timothy on April 07, 2019, 09:25:22 AM
Cool, Joan Jett will play Rouseys theme live.

Looking forward to tonight even though the card isnt really to my liking. Mania weekend is special.
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Post by: Spode on April 07, 2019, 10:58:20 AM
Hawkins jobbing to Wilder in seconds should solve some of the timing issues anyway
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Post by: hummingofevil on April 07, 2019, 12:38:43 PM
It’s fucked their storylines now too. Travis and Dash getting mega pops tonight when both were probably going to be positioned as heels. At least New Day will get a bit of a face rub from that.

G1 wasn’t terrible. Far from it. From the dragon Lee, bandido, Ishimori match onward it was great just a shame it took so long to get going. Where in a normal NJPW show you get a slow burn as lower card is full of rookie talent or old timers putting on solid technical matches or six man tags that are good, the G1 show spend over an hour on three  terrible ROH matches with long. drawn out boring post match angles. It was actually bizarre how shot it was for 70 mins or so.
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Post by: Ja'moke on April 07, 2019, 12:52:28 PM
It’s fucked their storylines now too. Travis and Dash getting mega pops tonight when both were probably going to be positioned as heels. At least New Day will get a bit of a face rub from that.


Travis won't be getting a pop. Dash, maybe, but the crowd will still probably favour Ryder & Hawkins seeing as it's their hometown.
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Post by: An Actual Propeller on April 07, 2019, 12:57:35 PM
Cold take: Dash Wilder getting a punch in, cool as it looked, was a cunt move as at least four massive guys were holding the invader back and Dash knew he wouldn’t be hit himself. It’s not the 80s anymore where guys get taken to the back and get the shit kicked out of them. Mind, he’ll get a God’s reaction when he loses to Ryder and Hawkins on the preshow, so at least there’s that.
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Post by: Ludicrous Display on April 07, 2019, 01:02:18 PM
I think that's the sensible take, because it's Bret Hart, anyone being seen as defending him will be called a hero and the initial response was admirably swift. But it was just a consequence free opportunity to beat up a guy who was never going to fight back after he was initially dealt with.
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Post by: hummingofevil on April 07, 2019, 01:04:25 PM
Cold take: Dash Wilder getting a punch in, cool as it looked, was a cunt move as at least four massive guys were holding the invader back and Dash knew he wouldn’t be hit himself. It’s not the 80s anymore where guys get taken to the back and get the shit kicked out of them. Mind, he’ll get a God’s reaction when he loses to Ryder and Hawkins on the preshow, so at least there’s that.

I agree with that. Was actually worried at one point that all these wrestlers would use it as excuse to assault him and end up getting charged themselves. I agree that you could see how Dash could be in legal bother for that. It’s just WWE Twitter is lauding him.
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Post by: Deanjam on April 07, 2019, 01:04:57 PM
My favourite thing about recent HOF's is wrestlers pulling dumb faces in background shots.

https://twitter.com/QueensIstan/status/1114697526567948288 (https://twitter.com/QueensIstan/status/1114697526567948288)
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Post by: An Actual Propeller on April 07, 2019, 01:09:41 PM
Real victim in all this? Natalya. Her Dad just wanted to be in the HoF, and she finally got to induct her Dad (albeit in a half-arsed way as part of a tag team), and her moment of closure somewhat will be forever tainted by a mentally unstable man and the clusterfuck that happened afterwards.
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Post by: Timothy on April 07, 2019, 01:12:28 PM
Cold take: Dash Wilder getting a punch in, cool as it looked, was a cunt move as at least four massive guys were holding the invader back and Dash knew he wouldn’t be hit himself. It’s not the 80s anymore where guys get taken to the back and get the shit kicked out of them. Mind, he’ll get a God’s reaction when he loses to Ryder and Hawkins on the preshow, so at least there’s that.

Agreed. What Travis and Davey Boy Smith Jr did was understandable. But there was no reason for Dash to punch him.
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Post by: An Actual Propeller on April 07, 2019, 01:15:35 PM
(At the end of the day though, I’m just happy that I’ve seen no conspiracy theories that WWE planned this all along so that nobody would be talking about Hulk Hogan.)
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Post by: gmoney on April 07, 2019, 02:43:45 PM
Cold take: Dash Wilder getting a punch in, cool as it looked, was a cunt move as at least four massive guys were holding the invader back and Dash knew he wouldn’t be hit himself. It’s not the 80s anymore where guys get taken to the back and get the shit kicked out of them.

Colder take: it should be.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: An Actual Propeller on April 07, 2019, 02:59:51 PM
Colder take: it should be.

What good will that do?
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on April 07, 2019, 03:31:41 PM
No good. Dash Wilder was way out of line there. Think he will be fined or fired over this and if that happens it's his own fault. Stupid move to make the day before Mania.
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Post by: Delete Delete Delete on April 07, 2019, 03:34:10 PM
Dosn't he want to leave? He won't be fired, jsut kept off telly perhaps if they want to punish him, but Wrestleing is a funny old business. Publicly his actions might be condemed, but  backstage he would rise in stature and reputation.
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 07, 2019, 03:36:41 PM
Nah, I doubt anything will happen to Wilder. Fans are hopping barricades and getting smacked all the time. Wilder was one of several people getting unnecessary shots in. The sensible thing to do would be to pin the guy down and get security to drag him out, but given the particularly disrespectful nature of this, everyone reacted emotionally.
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Post by: Ja'moke on April 07, 2019, 03:48:14 PM
If anything Vince will give Dash a push.
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Post by: confettiinmyhair on April 07, 2019, 03:50:06 PM
If you went to a zoo and leapt into an enclosure whilst the lion's were getting fed you shouldn't be surprised if you got mauled. Any fan who interrupts an entertainment or sports event is fair game if they get walloped. Dash Wilder should get applauded.
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Post by: Timothy on April 07, 2019, 03:59:35 PM
If you walk into the zoo into a lion enclosure and a lion bites you, a zookeeper takes you out of the enclosure and then walks you back in again so the lion can bite you again just for good measure that zookeeper is an idiot not a hero.
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Post by: Spode on April 07, 2019, 04:02:41 PM
If you went to a zoo and leapt into an enclosure whilst the lion's were getting fed you shouldn't be surprised if you got mauled. Any fan who interrupts an entertainment or sports event is fair game if they get walloped. Dash Wilder should get applauded.

Didn’t they kill that Harambe though? Maybe Bret should be put down as well in the interest of balance
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 07, 2019, 04:16:00 PM
If you went to a zoo and leapt into an enclosure whilst the lion's were getting fed you shouldn't be surprised if you got mauled. Any fan who interrupts an entertainment or sports event is fair game if they get walloped. Dash Wilder should get applauded.

Lions are a bit different to sports entertainers.
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Post by: An Actual Propeller on April 07, 2019, 04:16:47 PM
If you went to a zoo and leapt into an enclosure whilst the lion's were getting fed you shouldn't be surprised if you got mauled.

I agree that if it’s a completely different situation then something would have happened, yes.
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Post by: Deanjam on April 07, 2019, 04:18:30 PM
I'm sure Dash got plenty of pats on the back in the locker room. Beating up drunk fans (as I'm sure the fella must have been) is a tradition in wresting. A shitty tradition for sure, but there it is. The only way he'll get in trouble is if there's any civil action brought against WWE, and considering the guy could face charges of trespass and assault, I'm not sure there will be.

Lions are a bit different to sports entertainers.

(https://i.imgflip.com/2xz85y.jpg)
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Post by: Ja'moke on April 07, 2019, 04:18:51 PM
Lions are a bit different to sports entertainers.

(https://thebritishwrestlingrevival.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/lion-kid-promo-d.jpg?w=620)
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on April 07, 2019, 04:21:07 PM
Simpsons twitter delivered as usual.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D3jyCcBUYAECcdJ.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D3j0JaTWkAYIuxv.jpg)
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Huxleys Babkins on April 07, 2019, 08:01:26 PM
When Spud grabbed the mic, I was hoping he’d say that.

Instead...

(https://media.giphy.com/media/Yl5aO3gdVfsQ0/giphy.gif)

Twice.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Dannyhood91 on April 07, 2019, 08:41:12 PM
https://www.wrestlinginc.com/news/2019/04/man-who-attacked-bret-hart-at-hof-identified-652829/

Article containing tweets from Brets attacker
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: magval on April 07, 2019, 09:53:28 PM
Not watching tonight but when does it start? 10?
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on April 07, 2019, 10:01:26 PM
Not watching tonight but when does it start? 10?

Preshow is 10. Main show from 12 until the end of time.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on April 07, 2019, 10:35:39 PM
Lot of people attending complaining about the pillars around the ring. Restricted view. Dont understand why WWE do that.

New Cruiserweight champ.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on April 07, 2019, 10:38:55 PM
New Cruiserweight champ.

Never was so much effort expended for so little point.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Mobius on April 07, 2019, 10:41:43 PM
Lot of people attending complaining about the pillars around the ring. Restricted view. Dont understand why WWE do that.

New Cruiserweight champ.

It's pretty shitty, but apparently the tickets impacted do they Restricted View.. so guess people know. One example here (https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/bal54c/i_got_extremely_amazing_seats/) .. how can you enjoy a match with that view?!

Anyway I've phoned  in sick to watch this shit for some reason, so here we go!

Ugh JBL

Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on April 07, 2019, 10:42:20 PM
Jobber entrance for the women's division.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: mikeyg27 on April 07, 2019, 10:44:35 PM
Never was so much effort expended for so little point.

I hope Buddy's getting a promotion. That match was a reminder that he's shockingly high on my list of favourite WWE wrestlers.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on April 07, 2019, 10:45:17 PM
Asuka on the preshow. :-(
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Spode on April 07, 2019, 10:45:20 PM
You really get a feel for how bad the long term booking is when you compare Wrestlemanias. Asuka from years undefeated last time out to this mess on the pre show. Whoosh.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: mikeyg27 on April 07, 2019, 10:46:30 PM
That works both ways though - Becky's gone from jobbing in last year's Battle Royal to being the number one star in the company.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on April 07, 2019, 10:49:07 PM
That works both ways though - Becky's gone from jobbing in last year's Battle Royal to being the number one star in the company.

She's a huge star but number one? Not sure about that.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on April 07, 2019, 10:50:41 PM
Ember and Kairi out already. Sigh.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Mobius on April 07, 2019, 10:51:16 PM
Lacey Evans will somehow win this
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on April 07, 2019, 10:52:47 PM
Why would anyone cheer for Dana Brook? Baffling.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 07, 2019, 10:53:29 PM
Right. My challenge for tonight is to not write anything negative on here. I am going to have a beer at some point (my first in weeks) so let's see how long the good vibes last.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: mikeyg27 on April 07, 2019, 10:54:54 PM
They literally did this 'winner was waiting on the outside all along' thing in last year's Battle Royal.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on April 07, 2019, 10:56:25 PM
They literally did this 'winner was waiting on the outside all along' thing in last year's Battle Royal.

Aye. And both babyfaces too. What heroes.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 07, 2019, 10:56:50 PM
Why would anyone cheer for Dana Brook? Baffling.

I thought she came over well in that mini-feud with Rousey. Likeable. She is a bit of a delicate soul. A sweet insecurity that only a body builder can really have. Also I have her autograph. I got her and Samoa Joe to sign a business card from Mr Mop who is man who walks around gigs mopping people's faces during live gigs for Preston's finest mask-wearing-six-bassists-and-a-singing-drummer spacerock outfit Evil Blizzard.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 07, 2019, 10:56:53 PM
Imagine if Sarah Logan actually won.

Cool look though.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on April 07, 2019, 10:57:09 PM
Where was Lacey
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Spode on April 07, 2019, 10:57:12 PM
I know people being upset with their spot is a running theme but is there anyone being under-utilised as much as Asuka in the whole company? Pointless her even being there today
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 07, 2019, 10:58:09 PM
Lawler and Paige look absolutely stunning tonight. Nice to see them both in good health.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on April 07, 2019, 10:58:44 PM
I thought she came over well in that mini-feud with Rousey. Likeable. She is a bit of a delicate soul. A sweet insecurity that only a body builder can really have. Also I have her autograph. I got her and Samoa Joe to sign a business card from Mr Mop who is man who walks around gigs mopping people's faces during live gigs for Preston's finest mask-wearing-six-bassists-and-a-singing-drummer spacerock outfit Evil Blizzard.

Beautiful. You're positivity is warming my heart.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on April 07, 2019, 10:59:38 PM
Where was Lacey

Not on my TV, so I'm happy.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on April 07, 2019, 11:00:58 PM
Lawler and Paige look absolutely stunning tonight. Nice to see them both in good health.

I'll only believe it when you say something nice about Sam Roberts.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on April 07, 2019, 11:01:39 PM
Imagine if Sarah Logan actually won.

Cool look though.

Did you see the video of her viking wedding? Was pretty cool.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 07, 2019, 11:01:45 PM
I know people being upset with their spot is a running theme but is there anyone being under-utilised as much as Asuka in the whole company? Pointless her even being there today

Vince just doesn't get the Asuka thing. Perhaps fair enough. He probably didn't watch much of her in NXT and she hasn't exactly shined on the main roster, even when put in big matches. There's a lot of NXT talent who seem to think their work is done when they get to the main roster, but you have to start all over again.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: An Actual Propeller on April 07, 2019, 11:02:14 PM
I know people being upset with their spot is a running theme but is there anyone being under-utilised as much as Asuka in the whole company? Pointless her even being there today

Luke Harper.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Spode on April 07, 2019, 11:16:04 PM
Luke Harper.

His eyes got over once
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 07, 2019, 11:18:52 PM
Graves and Cole making cheeky references to Wilder assaulting that bloke last night. Big pop when he got tagged in as well. Told ya they wouldn't do anything, he's clearly being celebrated for it.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on April 07, 2019, 11:27:40 PM
That match was better than it had any right to be.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on April 07, 2019, 11:29:27 PM
That match was better than it had any right to be.

Ryder and Hawkins are both decent workers, they just dont get to show it much. Pretty sure they'll lose the belts tomorrow night.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 07, 2019, 11:31:33 PM
Fun match. Obvious but fun ending. This is the feel-good Mania we have all been waiting for. Credit to the writing team. All of these heat RAWs have been a set up for a mega-face Mania. The Mania that will begin to bring America back together again.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on April 07, 2019, 11:31:51 PM
Ryder and Hawkins are both decent workers, they just dont get to show it much. Pretty sure they'll lose the belts tomorrow night.

Yeah that’s a good shout.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 07, 2019, 11:34:44 PM
Ryder and Hawkins are both decent workers, they just dont get to show it much. Pretty sure they'll lose the belts tomorrow night.

That already happened to Ryder when he won the IC title. Don’t do it to the poor boy again
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Spode on April 07, 2019, 11:40:26 PM
Surprising lack of effort with the set for WWE standards. Massive screen like
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on April 07, 2019, 11:45:15 PM
Has Braun lost weight?
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Mobius on April 07, 2019, 11:46:25 PM
Has Braun lost weight?

Yeah seems like it.

Pretty sure Ali just had his face split in two by that table
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 07, 2019, 11:46:34 PM
Has Braun lost weight?

Looks like it. He's a fucking specimen isn't he. Say what you want about WWE but the performance centre doesn't half know how to get these guys in shape.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Mobius on April 07, 2019, 11:52:35 PM
He does look fucking great to be fair.

That was quite fun, the SNL guys weren’t too bad and it’s only preshow.

Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Mobius on April 07, 2019, 11:53:29 PM
Booker is great
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 07, 2019, 11:53:38 PM
I actually like how WWE have the obvious big guy favourites win the Andre. Big Show, Corbin, Mojo and now Show. Matt Hardy is the only non massive winner. 1 in 5. Its how it should be really. Well booked.

Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on April 07, 2019, 11:58:40 PM
I actually like how WWE have the obvious big guy favourites win the Andre. Big Show, Corbin, Mojo and now Show. Matt Hardy is the only non massive winner. 1 in 5. Its how it should be really. Well booked.

Somewhere, Cesaro is crying.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 08, 2019, 12:03:49 AM
Whilst counting his money. :)
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 08, 2019, 12:09:07 AM
Delicious little intro there.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on April 08, 2019, 12:09:22 AM
Love WWE's hype videos.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 08, 2019, 12:11:00 AM
I wish Corey Graves would pass out.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 08, 2019, 12:11:58 AM
Every time you click your fingers, a child in the third world dies. And Hulk Hogan comes out to celebrate.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 08, 2019, 12:12:12 AM
Every time you click your fingers, a child in the third world dies. And Hulk Hogan comes out to celebrate.

Ha ha.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 08, 2019, 12:12:59 AM
Fuck this cunt.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on April 08, 2019, 12:14:25 AM
Glad we're opening this 8 hour show will lots of filler.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 08, 2019, 12:15:19 AM
Yes!! Great shout if this is legit.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Spode on April 08, 2019, 12:15:39 AM
Blimey. It’s Lesnar up first.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 08, 2019, 12:16:09 AM
Excellent idea to put this on first and totally believable that Brock would want to get this done and go home.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on April 08, 2019, 12:16:31 AM
Cool.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on April 08, 2019, 12:17:33 AM
Rollins must be winning if this is first!
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 08, 2019, 12:22:33 AM
Watching Brock beat people up is always a joy.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 08, 2019, 12:26:21 AM
Oh... alright then.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 08, 2019, 12:27:22 AM
Nice. That was class. Anyone got a link to a feed with no commentary on though? They do my fucking head in.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Spode on April 08, 2019, 12:29:24 AM
That blue frame on the big screen makes it look like someone’s forgot to hit the maximise screen button
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on April 08, 2019, 12:32:25 AM
Excellent, we're getting all the matches I want to see on first. Will be able to go to bed if this carries on.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 08, 2019, 12:33:29 AM
Might be a bit optimistic but if they can keep matches to that length we could be in for a FUN night.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Spode on April 08, 2019, 12:33:38 AM
Excellent, we're getting all the matches I want to see on first. Will be able to go to bed if this carries on.

Factor in the 3 hours it’ll take Orton to get to the ring
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 08, 2019, 12:33:53 AM
Excellent, we're getting all the matches I want to see on first. Will be able to go to bed if this carries on.

Going to bed before the main event makes you a misogynist and that’s the tea.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on April 08, 2019, 12:34:21 AM
Might be a bit optimistic but if they can keep matches to that length we could be in for a FUN night.

Triple H laughs at this.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 08, 2019, 12:40:41 AM
Triple H laughs at this.

Yeah. Last year all over again. I can remember quite enjoying it until half way through HHH match and just completely lost the will to live.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on April 08, 2019, 12:44:38 AM
Crowd chanting about the lights. Apparently they can’t see.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on April 08, 2019, 12:45:53 AM
Going to bed before the main event makes you a misogynist and that’s the tea.

My sleep is more important than gender equality.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on April 08, 2019, 12:46:22 AM
Crowd chanting about the lights. Apparently they can’t see.

Their view.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D3loawDX4AUUoWr.jpg)
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 08, 2019, 12:46:41 AM
No wonder. Look at them. Swathed in yellow lights. What the fuck are WWE playing at with that? I've absolutely loved this Mania week but one thing it's taught me is watching matches on my laptop from the comfort of my own kitchen is far more enjoyable than the faff of actually going.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 08, 2019, 12:47:37 AM
My sleep is more important than gender equality.

Stay woke.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on April 08, 2019, 12:48:29 AM
Not often you see the RKO kicked out of. AJ's new contract must be huge.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on April 08, 2019, 12:49:22 AM
Stay woke.

Not all night.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on April 08, 2019, 12:53:00 AM
Enjoyed that. Pity the crowd couldn't get into it until they turned the light off.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 08, 2019, 12:54:29 AM
Enjoyed that. The build was better than the match but liked the fact there was genuine jeopardy over who winning and they managed to sustain it through blocking finishing moves rather than loads of kick outs.

21 minute match. Current prediction for finish time. 5.10am.

Edit: bad maths.

Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on April 08, 2019, 12:56:04 AM
Jesus, no wonder the crowd were pissed.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D3ln5trWkAAIhfc.jpg)
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 08, 2019, 01:01:33 AM
When did they add a fucking goofy creaking sound to Black’s entrance?
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on April 08, 2019, 01:02:36 AM
When did they add a fucking goofy creaking sound to Black’s entrance?

I thought I'd imagined it. Must be Kevin Dunn.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 08, 2019, 01:06:16 AM
He must have been watching those Kyoto Inoue AJPW women's matches to up his swing game.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on April 08, 2019, 01:12:46 AM
Babyfaces 7-0. All building to Becky losing ...
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 08, 2019, 01:14:32 AM
Yep. Cracking that too. Keep this up and I will love this show.

End time prediction: 5.15am.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Mobius on April 08, 2019, 01:15:00 AM
When did they add a fucking goofy creaking sound to Black’s entrance?

Not long after he moved up. Dunn also likes to make absolutely sure you can see the plank thing Black rises up on.

That was a good tag match. Enjoying this so far.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 08, 2019, 01:15:43 AM
Babyfaces 7-0. All building to Becky losing ...

Ha ha ha. That would be amazing TBF. Build a buzz for 5 hours then shit on it.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Spode on April 08, 2019, 01:17:41 AM
State of DX there. Biggest gang of divvys to ever walk God’s Green Earth.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on April 08, 2019, 01:19:51 AM
That SD tag match was really fun.

But yeah, all these face wins doesn’t look good for Kofi and Becky.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 08, 2019, 01:20:04 AM
State of DX there. Biggest gang of divvys to ever walk God’s Green Earth.

Agreed. As someone who actually skipped the Attitude Era and only got back into wrestling in my 30s it's hilarious how awful all that DX shit is.

Was the gimmick at the time that none of them had ever had sex?
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Mobius on April 08, 2019, 01:20:11 AM
I hope this is Triple H’s entrance
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 08, 2019, 01:20:58 AM
The Grand Wizards have let themselves go.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on April 08, 2019, 01:21:15 AM
Agreed. As someone who actually skipped the Attitude Era and only got back into wrestling in my 30s it's hilarious how awful all that DX shit is.

Was the gimmick at the time that none of them had ever had sex?

No, but they appealed to teenage boys who hadn't.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 08, 2019, 01:21:54 AM
Would have been great for Batista to jump Triple H during that and kick off their match.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 08, 2019, 01:22:32 AM
Here we go. So how do we think Shane is going to die? Trauma injury or heart failure?
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on April 08, 2019, 01:22:52 AM
Would have been great for Batista to jump Triple H during that and kick off their match.

Would've been awesome. Far too creative for WWE.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on April 08, 2019, 01:23:37 AM
Here we go. So how do we think Shane is going to die? Trauma injury or heart failure?


Purple jaundice.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Spode on April 08, 2019, 01:23:59 AM
Agreed. As someone who actually skipped the Attitude Era and only got back into wrestling in my 30s it's hilarious how awful all that DX shit is.

Was the gimmick at the time that none of them had ever had sex?

The type of lads who’d pop a nob in your mouth while you slept and then moan at you for not being able to take a joke.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 08, 2019, 01:26:06 AM
Love how Shane's theme works as both a face and heel entrance.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 08, 2019, 01:26:54 AM
Love the giant Shane face on the titantron.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 08, 2019, 01:27:16 AM
Love the giant Shane face on the titantron.

That's just his face.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 08, 2019, 01:32:12 AM
Looks like heel Shane is wearing posh PJs.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Mobius on April 08, 2019, 01:34:14 AM
Shane is the sweatiest man ever.

Let’s go Mizdad
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 08, 2019, 01:35:32 AM
Ffs George.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on April 08, 2019, 01:36:38 AM
This match sucks.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 08, 2019, 01:40:35 AM
Racist Miz showing disregard to all the foreign announcers.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 08, 2019, 01:46:09 AM
Thank fuck for that. The bigger the crash mat the more I enjoy Shane's bumps.

Ha ha ha. Swerve.

Edit: Swerve.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 08, 2019, 01:46:17 AM
I’ve missed these kind of crazy brawl-all-over matches. That was awesome.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on April 08, 2019, 01:46:34 AM
Good. A heel win. Needed one.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on April 08, 2019, 01:47:16 AM
Load of shite followed by a big fall onto a crash mat. Typical Shane match.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 08, 2019, 01:48:46 AM
Load of shite followed by a big fall onto a crash mat. Typical Shane match.

Come on, that was fun. Your hatred of Shane is unreasonable.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on April 08, 2019, 01:49:38 AM
I enjoyed the Shane match.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on April 08, 2019, 01:50:45 AM
Come on, that was fun. Your hatred of Shane is unreasonable.

Actually it's my hatred of Shane AND Miz that's unreasonable.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 08, 2019, 01:51:05 AM
Load of shite followed by a big fall onto a crash mat. Typical Shane match.

Rubbish. But enjoyable enough rubbish.

I'm lost way too far into the W-hole this week but the most fun shows have been Joey Janela and DDT where they know how to mix up stupid shit and brilliant technical wrestling. That match was a nice variation to mix things up.

Oh fuck. Here we go. If this is anything more than 2 stars then there really is magic in the air.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Delete Delete Delete on April 08, 2019, 01:51:38 AM
Fuck me 4 team tags are the pits unless there tornado.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 08, 2019, 01:53:18 AM
This show is going till 6am mind.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on April 08, 2019, 01:53:37 AM
Nia, Tamina & The Iconics in the same match. Good luck everyone.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 08, 2019, 01:53:44 AM
Paige on commentary is about to make Renee seem like Heenan.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Mobius on April 08, 2019, 01:54:30 AM
Hope Iconics win
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 08, 2019, 01:55:53 AM
Hope Iconics win

Is there any possibility that Natalia and Beth arent winning this?

*Bret appears*

None.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Spode on April 08, 2019, 01:55:58 AM
I find Billie Kay genuinely hilarious. Would love her to win.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Delete Delete Delete on April 08, 2019, 01:55:59 AM
Id like the Iconics to win. Oh shit Brest here, Nats wins title.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 08, 2019, 01:56:26 AM
Hope Iconics win

Doubtful but hopeful.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on April 08, 2019, 01:57:11 AM
The Iconics popularity is baffling to me. They can't wrestle and have one promo.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Delete Delete Delete on April 08, 2019, 01:57:16 AM
I would mark out if Jax And Tamina won. then hulk came out and challenge them for the belts and won.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 08, 2019, 01:58:06 AM
I would mark out if Jax And Tamina won. then hulk came out and challenge them for the belts and won.

This but Kofi.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 08, 2019, 01:58:21 AM
The Iconics popularity is baffling to me. They can't wrestle and have one promo.

More personality than most of their division.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on April 08, 2019, 02:00:14 AM
More personality than most of their division.

True. But that's not really much of a compliment. I must say, I'm not biased in this, I don't care for any of these teams.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Delete Delete Delete on April 08, 2019, 02:00:17 AM
If its no DQ why are they tagging. The fuckign rules mate.
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Post by: hummingofevil on April 08, 2019, 02:02:58 AM
And the crowd goes mild
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Post by: hummingofevil on April 08, 2019, 02:03:50 AM
https://twitter.com/thesweetvee/status/1115029538856218624
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Delete Delete Delete on April 08, 2019, 02:03:51 AM
The Double sharp shooter is shit.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 08, 2019, 02:04:31 AM
Tamina and Natalya in the same match. The crowd better put their jackets on because there is no heat.
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Post by: Deanjam on April 08, 2019, 02:04:43 AM
And the crowd goes mild

Hard to follow a big stunt finish, but it probably wouldn't matter where it was placed.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Spode on April 08, 2019, 02:04:53 AM
Turn big light back on
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Post by: hummingofevil on April 08, 2019, 02:05:46 AM
"She's going through the ring if this lands".

Renee you have salvaged your commentary career with that you horrible prick.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 08, 2019, 02:07:19 AM
ToneLa: if you reading log in dude. We miss you.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on April 08, 2019, 02:08:06 AM
Lol.
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Post by: Delete Delete Delete on April 08, 2019, 02:08:12 AM
Haha Iconic.
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 08, 2019, 02:08:34 AM
Fuck yeah!
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 08, 2019, 02:09:02 AM
Dogshit. But fun.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on April 08, 2019, 02:09:26 AM
Happy for IIconics. Shocking in the ring, but good characters.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on April 08, 2019, 02:10:13 AM
Kairi Sane & Io Shirai please rescue these belts.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Delete Delete Delete on April 08, 2019, 02:10:29 AM
Shit match.  This is what happens when you fail to build up storys for matches.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 08, 2019, 02:10:42 AM
I’m nervous.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Mobius on April 08, 2019, 02:11:52 AM
Peyton ain’t that bad in the ring. Anyway that was shit but nice to see 2 people I enjoyed in NXT win!
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on April 08, 2019, 02:12:47 AM
In all honesty I much prefer Bryan to Kofi, so I don't really mind if Kingston loses.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 08, 2019, 02:12:50 AM
Happy for IIconics. Shocking in the ring, but good characters.

I might be wrong but if you check Twitter there seems to be quite a big pro-IIconics following from LGBTQ+ wrestling fans so that is quite subtle booking there. I approve  .
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Spode on April 08, 2019, 02:13:44 AM
Not ready to see the back of the hemp belt so Bryan win or Kofi vegan turn please
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 08, 2019, 02:16:49 AM
In all honesty I much prefer Bryan to Kofi, so I don't really mind if Kingston loses.

Bryan winning will be the bookend to WMXXX ; the heel boos to mirror the Yes! movement cheers. A Bryan win here will be a subtle nod to the fact that DB is the greatest wrestler of our time in terms of being able to work the crowd. Ill be happy either way but actually what I really want is DB to win this and Kofi to win the title on Smackdown on Tuesday. The post-Wrestlemania Smackdown has nowhere near the prestige of the post Wrestlemania RAW so a title change would be a very smart thing to do with the Fox deal coming up.
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 08, 2019, 02:18:45 AM
It cannot be overstated how amazing it is that Bryan has made himself a legitimate top heel.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Spode on April 08, 2019, 02:19:16 AM
Big Dave Meltz seemingly just RTd a spoiler to the result of this anyway. Played, Dave
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on April 08, 2019, 02:19:25 AM
I really need to see Big E turn heel on Kofi & Xavier sometime soon.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 08, 2019, 02:20:31 AM
It cannot be overstated how amazing it is that Bryan has made himself a legitimate top heel.

Exactly. When he introduced the hemp belt and they had that Seattle show he was over as fuck. He's a fucking genius. Him and Okada are so far ahead of all other wrestlers at telling stories its not even fair.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on April 08, 2019, 02:20:47 AM
Big Dave Meltz seemingly just RTd a spoiler to the result of this anyway. Played, Dave

Saw it. Laughing my arse off at the people upset that a wrestling insider twitter account has given a potential spoiler.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on April 08, 2019, 02:22:35 AM
It cannot be overstated how amazing it is that Bryan has made himself a legitimate top heel.

I truely believe he's all-round the best in the world. Especially in WWE's controlled environment.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 08, 2019, 02:23:05 AM
Big Dave Meltz seemingly just RTd a spoiler to the result of this anyway. Played, Dave

Harsh blaming Dave for the fact WWE and a random spoiled it first. Still think DB winning.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 08, 2019, 02:40:15 AM
Part of the problem with this is the lack of a credible  Kofi finishing move.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 08, 2019, 02:40:56 AM
Loving the crowd loving this.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 08, 2019, 02:41:34 AM
Just realised that Kofi Kingston has the same back tattoos as Riley Reid.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 08, 2019, 02:44:19 AM
Fair enough. That was really good.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on April 08, 2019, 02:45:11 AM
Really compelling match. Good stuff.
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Post by: hummingofevil on April 08, 2019, 02:46:25 AM
This is an amazing Mania.

Estimated finishing time: 5:45am
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Post by: Ja'moke on April 08, 2019, 02:47:20 AM
Can I just say Byron has been fucking fantastic during the whole Kofi story?!

Amazing. Love this.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Mobius on April 08, 2019, 02:47:44 AM
A beautiful moment.

Only the New Day could get away with shilling at a time like this
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 08, 2019, 02:49:11 AM
That might be the first time I've almost genuinely cried watching wrestling. I felt Xavier's reaction in my soul.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Spode on April 08, 2019, 02:49:20 AM
Was really hopping Big E would flatten one of his kids then.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Delete Delete Delete on April 08, 2019, 02:49:59 AM
Its also a statement to the locker room if yuor a company man, stay clean and get your self over you can be champion.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on April 08, 2019, 02:50:58 AM
And none of it would have happened had Ali not got injured. Funny old world.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Spode on April 08, 2019, 02:51:16 AM
Its also a statement to the locker room if yuor a company man, stay clean and get your self over you can be champion.

Also: if you’re vegan, Vince will get you eventually. Eat meat, kids.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 08, 2019, 02:55:13 AM
Can I just say Byron has been fucking fantastic during the whole Kofi story?!

Amazing. Love this.

Byron or Bryan?
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 08, 2019, 02:55:43 AM
Poor Joe has to follow that.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 08, 2019, 02:56:28 AM
Byron or Bryan?

Byron has given some great passionate commentary during this angle.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 08, 2019, 02:56:48 AM
That was the best match of the night for me by far as it melted my brain. I so much wanted DB to win going in but by the end I was desperate for Kofi to win.
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Post by: hummingofevil on April 08, 2019, 02:57:41 AM
This match is a pain in the arse as it need to go 5 mins but that would be cruel.

Shit yeah. I called it.

Edit: fuck. It's brutal but sacrificing Rey was the right thing to do.
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 08, 2019, 02:58:18 AM
Hahaha, Booker T is mad he got wheeled out for that.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 08, 2019, 03:00:43 AM
Im fucking loving this show.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Spode on April 08, 2019, 03:00:58 AM
If it’s going on late, is there a chance Triple H loses?

Looks even more ridiculous written down actually
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Delete Delete Delete on April 08, 2019, 03:01:32 AM
Oh shit matches just keep coming.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Mobius on April 08, 2019, 03:02:15 AM
Pretty sure Rey was injured anyway. Glad Joe is being booked strong.

Can’t see Roman losing but neither should Drew.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 08, 2019, 03:02:37 AM
Byron has given some great passionate commentary during this angle.

Cool. I'm really sorry but I've completely zoned out from listening to any of the commentary. I couldn't tell you a single thing any of them have said all night. I like Byron though so pleased he's not dreadful.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 08, 2019, 03:06:16 AM
If it’s going on late, is there a chance Triple H loses?

Looks even more ridiculous written down actually

Five matches left including Balor Lashley. If they go 30 mins EACH + walks we talking 6am. Its basically and NXT Takeover from here. Would happily take a couple of matches to go 10mins but if they done by 5.30am then i'm not complaining.
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Post by: Ja'moke on April 08, 2019, 03:06:30 AM
Byron or Bryan?

Well Bryan too obviously. But I mean Saxton, his commentary has been ace during the feud.
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 08, 2019, 03:07:53 AM
Were there boos for Roman just now?
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on April 08, 2019, 03:08:29 AM
Five matches left including Balor Lashley. If they go 30 mins EACH + walks we talking 6am. Its basically and NXT Takeover from here. Would happily take a couple of matches to go 10mins but if they done by 5.30am then i'm not complaining.

Balor is the Demon so hopefully that will be a squash.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Spode on April 08, 2019, 03:08:36 AM
Five matches left including Balor Lashley. If they go 30 mins EACH + walks we talking 6am. Its basically and NXT Takeover from here. Would happily take a couple of matches to go 10mins but if they done by 5.30am then i'm not complaining.

Think they’ll get the Angle one done with quickly. Maybe even this Reigns one. The Demon gimmick could even mean Balor goes over quickly. Gives Trips a good 4 hours to get to the ring and out of his skeletons
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Post by: hummingofevil on April 08, 2019, 03:13:11 AM
Piss break.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 08, 2019, 03:13:40 AM
I keep hearing about Drew McIntyre as someone with star power, but does anyone care? He's a RAW segment filler heel, doesn't stand out really.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Spode on April 08, 2019, 03:14:42 AM
Big Dog count: 250. I propose they throw in a few ‘Cliffords’ to mix things up a bit
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 08, 2019, 03:15:01 AM
Well Bryan too obviously. But I mean Saxton, his commentary has been ace during the feud.

Yeah sorry. I appreciate that. I don't really listen to commentary unless its bad. Like this match... urgh.
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Post by: Mobius on April 08, 2019, 03:15:40 AM
Demon Balor Vs Lashley

Angle Vs Corbin

Triple H Vs Batista

Becky Vs Charlotte Vs Ronda

That's what's left right?

edit - already bored of Roman
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 08, 2019, 03:17:36 AM
Potential Cena segment/match as well? Assuming he doesn't get involved with Angle's match, that is.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 08, 2019, 03:18:31 AM
I keep hearing about Drew McIntyre as someone with star power, but does anyone care? He's a RAW segment filler heel, doesn't stand out really.

I genuinely think Chris Renfrew is one of the most underrated wrestlers going. Him vs Drew is always cracking as its high energy and high impact. We all know exactly why Roman is in this match but from wrestling point of view its shite.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 08, 2019, 03:20:00 AM
Shite that.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: rjd2 on April 08, 2019, 03:20:22 AM
I keep hearing about Drew McIntyre as someone with star power, but does anyone care? He's a RAW segment filler heel, doesn't stand out really.

He looks good and can work, but he rarely gets heat and you can see why, just a dull presence with no character.

Do you remember his old entrance was a banger (sorry) .....his current one...SHITE.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Mobius on April 08, 2019, 03:21:09 AM
Yeh happy for Roman etc but that sucked. Don’t think the crowd were half as into that as Vince probably hoped
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Post by: Mobius on April 08, 2019, 03:21:43 AM
This Rusev advert is better than that match
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 08, 2019, 03:22:45 AM
Ha ha fucking swerve. Elias can actually play the drums.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 08, 2019, 03:23:39 AM
This Rusev advert is better than that match

Lana should not be associated with the phrase "nut butter".
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Mobius on April 08, 2019, 03:23:57 AM
lol this is quite cool. Are those holograms?
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Spode on April 08, 2019, 03:24:17 AM
Triplets
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 08, 2019, 03:24:34 AM
Ha ha ha ha. Character development.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Mobius on April 08, 2019, 03:27:54 AM
Right what’s going on now
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 08, 2019, 03:29:34 AM
BEST. WRESTLEMANIA. EVER.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Spode on April 08, 2019, 03:30:06 AM
Somebody go and grab Richard Madeley
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 08, 2019, 03:30:40 AM
Somebody go and grab Richard Madeley

And a can of tuna.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Mobius on April 08, 2019, 03:31:40 AM
Fucking love this
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on April 08, 2019, 03:33:19 AM
I love Thuganomics Cena and I don’t care what you say!
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 08, 2019, 03:33:24 AM
Okay, fuck the Angle match. This was way better.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 08, 2019, 03:34:15 AM
Okay, fuck the Angle match. This was way better.

Amazing. Never be a heel.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Mobius on April 08, 2019, 03:35:15 AM
Really hope the crowd is still alive by the main event, starting to fade I think.

Oh god here we go, cerebral assassin time
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Post by: hummingofevil on April 08, 2019, 03:39:14 AM
Really hope the crowd is still alive by the main event, starting to fade I think.

Oh god here we go, cerebral assassin time

We so far ahead of schedule mind. Four matches left and its only 3.37am. 20mins each and we only pushing 5am. Angle and Balor matches have to go very short surely.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Spode on April 08, 2019, 03:41:30 AM
Batista blotto. Best Mania ever.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Mobius on April 08, 2019, 03:41:35 AM
Fucking hell did he really just trip getting in the ring...
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Nobody Soup on April 08, 2019, 03:41:58 AM
And there's yer gif of the night
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 08, 2019, 03:42:04 AM
Haha oh no. Batista is the gift that keeps on giving.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Mobius on April 08, 2019, 03:45:13 AM
Imagine booking these entrances for yourself every year. What a tit.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 08, 2019, 03:45:18 AM
Triple H being a complete dork is always the worst part of WrestleMania.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Spode on April 08, 2019, 03:45:22 AM
Decent Brum reboot this.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 08, 2019, 03:46:36 AM
Triple H being a complete dork is always the worst part of WrestleMania.

And. ironically, the best bit.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 08, 2019, 03:47:25 AM
Batista’s stumble was cooler than Triple H’s entrance.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Spode on April 08, 2019, 03:48:34 AM
Still convinced the only reason Triple H bothers with NXT is so that there’ll be a roster of wrestlers who’ll feel compelled to job to him at various Wrestlemanias for the next 20 years.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 08, 2019, 03:49:03 AM
03:48 Go.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on April 08, 2019, 03:50:53 AM
Still convinced the only reason Triple H bothers with NXT is so that there’ll be a roster of wrestlers who’ll feel compelled to job to him at various Wrestlemanias for the next 20 years.

He puts over his guys. Most losses ever at WM with 13.
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 08, 2019, 03:51:27 AM
Did Michael Cole just feel compelled to let us know that it’s the first time we’ve seen a tool box used in the Triple H/Batista rivalry? Useful factoid, cheers!
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Spode on April 08, 2019, 03:52:22 AM
He puts over his guys. Most losses ever at WM with 13.

Nice try, but I’m choosing to forget them.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 08, 2019, 03:55:50 AM
This is so weird. Why is Triple H - the face - maiming Batista? So early in the match too.
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Post by: Ja'moke on April 08, 2019, 03:58:30 AM
Nice try, but I’m choosing to forget them.

He beats the legends, but loses to newer guys. In recent years lost to Rollins, Reigns, Bryan, Ronda.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 08, 2019, 04:00:29 AM
As predicted. Total momentum killer. Fuck of HHH every year.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 08, 2019, 04:11:49 AM
Shawn Michaels commentating like he’s just watching the match is my favourite part of this. Everything else about this sucks.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Spode on April 08, 2019, 04:12:34 AM
Good idea to have the two grandads in their undies go the longest
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 08, 2019, 04:15:59 AM
I've just ignored that and spent the last 20 mins listening to Carly Rae Jepsen. So let's go with the main event...
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Spode on April 08, 2019, 04:17:40 AM
Kurt Angle v Graeme Dott
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Mobius on April 08, 2019, 04:24:33 AM
Thought there’d be a swerve but it’s actually Corbin. This and the Lashley match shouldn’t be so far up the card.

Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 08, 2019, 04:28:43 AM
Im tired.

Estimated finishing time is: 5.15am.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: rjd2 on April 08, 2019, 04:31:42 AM
Corbin is a bit shit aye lads?
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 08, 2019, 04:35:49 AM
I actually really like Corbin in principle and weirdly I think he will eventually come out of all of this positively but just not now. Same applies to this. Just fuck off and give us the main event.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 08, 2019, 04:37:11 AM
How anyone there tolerates this shit I will never know. I love going to the local grapple but is 3 hours with interval and it still feels way too long.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on April 08, 2019, 04:38:38 AM
Why is this not a squash?
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Mobius on April 08, 2019, 04:39:53 AM
Yeah Corbin is fine just pushed way too much and on screen far too often. It’s weird how much they seem to like him.

This sucks, why didn’t Finn use The Demon against Lesnar.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on April 08, 2019, 04:42:13 AM
Corbin will be like Miz where in a few years we’ll appreciate him.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 08, 2019, 04:42:46 AM
Here we go. 5.15 finish.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 08, 2019, 04:43:56 AM
Right guys. Lets buckle down and watch this.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: rjd2 on April 08, 2019, 04:49:12 AM
Corbin will be like Miz where in a few years we’ll appreciate him.

Miz has been appreciated for a long time, mainly since his Jo Mo days. Corbin is turgid shite personified in comparison.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Spode on April 08, 2019, 04:49:56 AM
Strange one this. Haven’t felt as if anything was outrageously bad (Triple H/Batista aside) but, bar Bryan/Kofi can’t imagine ever wanting to re-watch any of it.

Also, my PS4 has turned itself off
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: rjd2 on April 08, 2019, 04:53:35 AM
Strange one this. Haven’t felt as if anything was outrageously bad (Triple H/Batista aside) but, bar Bryan/Kofi can’t imagine ever wanting to re-watch any of it.

Also, my PS4 has turned itself off

A lot of 3/5 matches really. Heck if pushed more of them were closer to 2/5 than 4/5. A weird show indeed.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 08, 2019, 04:54:20 AM
HERE WE GO! Let’s treat this as best match ever and work backwards if not.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 08, 2019, 04:55:26 AM
A lot of 3/5 matches really. Heck if pushed more of them were closer to 2/5 than 4/5. A weird show indeed.

The first 2 hours was brilliant.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Mobius on April 08, 2019, 05:01:46 AM
I hope Becky wins for Timothy’s sake.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 08, 2019, 05:04:52 AM
Rousey is so damn good.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Mobius on April 08, 2019, 05:18:00 AM
Starting to heat up
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Nobody Soup on April 08, 2019, 05:22:41 AM
Becky might be the one who's over but ronda made the women's division properly great. She's incredible.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 08, 2019, 05:23:25 AM
Really?
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 08, 2019, 05:24:08 AM
Wow, what a huge disappointment.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Spode on April 08, 2019, 05:24:15 AM
Well, they’ve booked that terribly
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 08, 2019, 05:25:08 AM
That is absolute dogshit.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Mobius on April 08, 2019, 05:26:04 AM
Wow what a dumb ending.

Was that it? Really abrupt end to PPV too
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 08, 2019, 05:28:18 AM
A really sloppy match in front of an exhausted crowd and a flat finish. Not a great showing, but at least Mania is finally over. I would say Kofi should have main evented, but the crowd would have probably been just as dead.
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Post by: Ja'moke on April 08, 2019, 05:38:42 AM
Thought the match was good. Ending was poor. And the crowd tired, they were only really reacting when Becky was in the ring.
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Post by: hummingofevil on April 08, 2019, 05:39:02 AM
I'm very tired so this is my last post of the night but I am livid. That was fucking 1 star shite. They spent 9 months building that up with a shite swervey build but I said all along all would be forgiven if they had a 4 star main event pay off. It was no DQ so it should have been kendo sticks and violent beat downs; exactly what they did to each other in build. I am so cross. wank wank wank. Worst main event ever.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 08, 2019, 05:41:33 AM
Thought the match was good. Ending was poor. And the crowd tired, they were only really reacting when Becky was in the ring.

And that’s being generous. A lot of silence for all of them, you could hear them whispering spots.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 08, 2019, 05:41:38 AM
Thought the match was good. Ending was poor. And the crowd tired, they were only really reacting when Becky was in the ring.

Nah mate it was garbage, No continuity from the feud. If that was a RAW main event we would be livid. x100 for Mania main event. I wouldn't care if I thought that was the best they could do but all three of them are stars. Utter dogshit.
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Post by: Ja'moke on April 08, 2019, 05:43:44 AM
Nah mate it was garbage, No continuity from the feud. If that was a RAW main event we would be livid. x100 for Mania main event. I wouldn't care if I thought that was the best they could do but all three of them are stars. Utter dogshit.

Did I want more? Sure. But I thought it was good still.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 08, 2019, 05:44:36 AM
Did I want more? Sure. But I thought it was good still.

Agree to disagree. Peace and love. Nite.
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Post by: Ja'moke on April 08, 2019, 05:48:12 AM
I mean last year’s main event was that Lesnar and Reigns shitfest, so this was a 5 star classic in comparison.

The ending was bad though. Should have had a couple more close falls, and eventually have Ronda tap. But I guess we’re going to be getting a Becky v Ronda singles match?
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Nobody Soup on April 08, 2019, 05:58:14 AM
It was one of the better matches of the night for me. it was sloppy but not in that way where they were kicking air, the moves didn't look clean but they still looked like they hurt. all on ronda, she bumped like hell and made the match look vicious at times, pay her the brock money because they have to keep her.

Kofi v Bryan was impossible to top, heck, off the top of my head you probably have to go back 4 or 5 manias to find a real contender for that.

corbin vs angle was appalling and would have been below average as a main event on raw, let alone being on WM.
tiple h vs batista was unsurprisingly far too long.
the women's tag match was dreadful, banks, one of only 3 capable wrestlers in the ring phoned it in as well.
the men's tag match was excellent.
the shane vs miz thing was good but I hate shane mcmahon as an annual thing on mania.
styles vs orton felt like a match I'd seen a thousand times before.
reigns v mcintyre was a let down, also the booking was a bit too obvious.
I thought lashley and balor was actually very good.
samoa joe and mysterio was pointless but at least short.
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Post by: Z on April 08, 2019, 08:59:35 AM
It was one of the better matches of the night for me. it was sloppy but not in that way where they were kicking air, the moves didn't look clean but they still looked like they hurt. all on ronda, she bumped like hell and made the match look vicious at times, pay her the brock money because they have to keep her.

Kofi v Bryan was impossible to top, heck, off the top of my head you probably have to go back 4 or 5 manias to find a real contender for that.

corbin vs angle was appalling and would have been below average as a main event on raw, let alone being on WM.
tiple h vs batista was unsurprisingly far too long.
the women's tag match was dreadful, banks, one of only 3 capable wrestlers in the ring phoned it in as well.
the men's tag match was excellent.
the shane vs miz thing was good but I hate shane mcmahon as an annual thing on mania.
styles vs orton felt like a match I'd seen a thousand times before.
reigns v mcintyre was a let down, also the booking was a bit too obvious.
I thought lashley and balor was actually very good.
samoa joe and mysterio was pointless but at least short.
Cheers for the spoiler free run down. I had managed to forget Mania was on altogether and this being the first post I read was pretty fortunate.

Sounds like I'll check out Bryan v Kofi and fuck all else.
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Post by: Moribunderast on April 08, 2019, 12:43:12 PM
How many years running have WWE killed their own Main Event by making the show twenty hours long? Feels like every 'Mania for the past 4 or so years. Anybody could have predicted the crowd would be dead for the Women's match 7 hours into the fucking show. What an own-goal, ruining the perception of their precious historic "We treat women like people! See!" moment. The show itself was every recent Wrestlemania - fine-to-good up until the midway point and then sliding back to bad and then "holy fuck, let this shit end" by the finale. They just go too fucking long.

Liked Seth/Brock and Kofi/Bryan. The Main Event had it's moments but it was pretty sloppy and heatless. I feel vindicated for my months of whining given it played out exactly as I said it would: Charlotte, in fact, did NOT make the match better just by virtue of being a good wrestler. Instead she fucked up a lot and the match was heatless whenever she was involved. In fact, SHOCKINGLY, the only times there was heat was when it was 1-on-1 between Becky and Ronda. I'm sure we're all flabbergasted.

That ending, though - woof. More worked shoot nonsense. Great. Becky vs. Ronda at SaudiMania next month?

EDIT TO ADD: HHH having his match go 25 minutes was fucking hilarious. As someone who was there live to witness him and Undertaker's embarrassment in Australia last year, it was fun seeing him re-enact it on the Grandest Stage Of Them All. He'll never learn, bless.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on April 08, 2019, 01:30:28 PM
SaudiMania has been pushed back til June apparently. So we could get Becky v Ronda at MITB next month.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: mikeyg27 on April 08, 2019, 02:20:14 PM
Started watching the main card at breakfast, just finished it now. I think I just yelled 'are you fucking joking me?' at the TV.

Serious question: will there ever be a good Wrestlemania main event ever again? Because whereas the last three years have featured Roman fighting the tide of pubic opinion, here the crowd wanted this main event and it was still a heatless mess. The table failing to properly break when Charlotte was supposed to go through it felt like an apt metaphor for the whole thing.

Still, overall the show was worth it for KofiMania (I may have cried at Woods and Big E's reaction) and Rollins doing the swinging belt routine at the top of the stage. I would be fascinated to know about the scheduling / overrun - that Joe-Rey Mysterio squash quickly followed by that Roman-Drew match which felt like it went straight from first act to third act felt very weird.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on April 08, 2019, 02:25:08 PM
Mysterio injured his ankle on Raw last week, so I suspect he wasn't fully fit.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Spode on April 08, 2019, 02:32:35 PM


Serious question: will there ever be a good Wrestlemania main event ever again? Because whereas the last three years have featured Roman fighting the tide of pubic opinion, here the crowd wanted this main event and it was still a heatless mess. The table failing to properly break when Charlotte was supposed to go through it felt like an apt metaphor for the whole thing.

Despite everything: the fuck unpin the build, the 6 plus hours killing the crowd, the generally poor standard of the main event itself - there was, unbelievably, still a chance as Rousey and Lynch stood toe to toe, to get it all back on track. You could even hear the crowd pick up. But instead of even a standard back and forth with a few false finishes they just fell into that weird ending and blew it all.

Mind boggling
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 08, 2019, 03:12:44 PM
I apologise. The combination of wrestle fatigue and booze meant I was a bit harsh on that main event. The match itself was okay but I stand by the fact the ending was shit even if hadn't been botched.

If they had brought out Cena after the Kofi match and then gone straight to main event that would have been a brilliant show. HHH killed the vibes for me once again.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 08, 2019, 04:56:02 PM
Remember when Kofi thought that 2009 was as good as it was ever going to get? https://youtu.be/EjrVylLUevI
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on April 08, 2019, 05:12:07 PM
Meltzer reporting that Ronda suffered a "severely broken hand" during the match, and that it was scheduled to be her last match for quite some time anyway. Which makes the abrupt end even more frustrating if it isn't leading to a Becky v Ronda singles match.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 08, 2019, 05:13:21 PM
McGregor baiting https://twitter.com/thenotoriousmma/status/1115202914954489856?s=21
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: rjd2 on April 08, 2019, 05:55:00 PM
Ronda has been really good in the ring so would be a shame to miss out on her v Becky. I do hope she comes back though not wearing that jacket, just looks really odd on her.

Mc Gregor would want fortunes to do any sort of WWE angle and I doubt it would be worth it overall.

He also has a rape charge over his head.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on April 08, 2019, 07:15:37 PM
Hey all! Enjoyed reading your comments about Mania. Fell asleep during preshow so didn't watch it until this afternoon. Just finished watching.

Up until HHH vs Batista Wrestlemania was great. I enjoyed the tag match, Miz vs Shane was good (couldn't stop chuckling at Miz' dad), Lesnar vs Rollins was entertaining and Kofi vs Bryan was great. Stupid tears in my stupid eyes when Kofi won due to stupid Xavier. And Thuganomics Cena is always entertaining.

After that it went downhill. HHH VS Batista was long and boring. Corbin vs Angle was boring. Finn vs Lashley was boring.

And that main event was absolutely awful. A terrible, terrible match. It started with Becky who wanted to do a submission move on Ronda with Charlotte still in the ring which made absolutely no sense and ended with some sort of seemingly botched pinfall. Both Becky and Charlotte didn't deliver. It was bloody awful. Ronda deserved better opponents. Asuka VS Ronda would have been great.

Might be the worst Wrestlemania main event match in years. Even Brock vs Reigns was better. Absolutely dreadful.

In other news: Where is Tonela? I really miss his posts here.
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Post by: Ja'moke on April 08, 2019, 07:18:59 PM
Imagine if the Becky v Charlotte v Asuka triple threat from TLC had main evented Mania. That would have been sensational.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on April 08, 2019, 07:21:42 PM
Ronda vs Asuka would have been sensational. And well deserved for Asuka. She deserved more then the preshow.

Both Becky and Charlotte didn't deliver last night. A shame. Was actually looking forward to that match. Why on earth did Becky try to start with the disarm her with Charlotte next to her? First move of the main event was bad and it stayed that way.

Hope Ronda stays though. She is a star.
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 08, 2019, 07:25:12 PM
Through all the fucked up booking, the one thing that was constant was the confidence that Ronda/Becky/Charlotte were going to have a great match at Mania. But they didn't. Surely one of Wrestlemania's biggest ever letdowns.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on April 08, 2019, 07:27:47 PM
Kofi VS Bryan should have main evented Mania. That would have been great.

Weird that the best performance in the main event last night came from someone who hasn't been WWE wrestling for longer then a year. Absolutely absurd.
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Post by: Nobody Soup on April 08, 2019, 07:45:39 PM
fun fact.

Triple H has been involved in the longest match of the night in 5 of the last 6 manias. The only match that managed to out do him was McMahon vs Undertaker.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on April 08, 2019, 07:45:49 PM
Randy Orton on Instagram:

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randyorton
For the live crowd that saw this 👆🏼tonight during my match at #WM #wrestlemania at Met Life Stadium tonight, I would like to apologize on behalf of @WWE for screwing up and shining a bright light in your eyes for 95% of our match. You missed a really great fucking match.

Now you mentioned it. Taker wasnt at Mania. Didn't even notice it.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Nobody Soup on April 08, 2019, 07:54:41 PM
Randy Orton on Instagram:

Now you mentioned it. Taker wasnt at Mania. Didn't even notice it.

this actually demonstrates a wider point. Mania doesn't need trips, orton, mcmahon to feel like mania. these three have turned up every year for the last 4 or 5 manias. trips at least can say he has been involved in some good matches in that time, the other two have just been hanging about taking up time.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on April 08, 2019, 07:57:04 PM
this actually demonstrates a wider point. Mania doesn't need trips, orton, mcmahon to feel like mania. these three have turned up every year for the last 4 or 5 manias. trips at least can say he has been involved in some good matches in that time, the other two have just been hanging about taking up time.

Shane VS Miz was one of my matches of the night. Really enjoyed that. Having Shane at Mania and other events is a good thing. Orton and HHH, meh. Not so much.

On the other hand I can imagine it's great for international WWE fans to finally see big names that normally never tour with house shows.
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Post by: Timothy on April 08, 2019, 08:06:21 PM
Lots of people shitting on Ronda not trying to break the pin up, but nobody seems to be bothered by Becky trying to start the match with a submission move in a triple threat with Charlotte standing right next to her and Rousey. That was such a weird move!

In hindsight I think I enjoyed the male tag match, Shane vs Miz and Kofi vs Bryan the most. And Cena obviously.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Huxleys Babkins on April 08, 2019, 09:00:58 PM
I told you they’d fuck the main event. I bloody knew it. Charlotte was every bit the third wheel. She half killed herself to stand toe to toe with the other two, but it was pointless. All three of them deserved better but it was as overbooked as the rest of the build was. That ending was utter bullshit. Still, we’ll always have the police segment.
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Post by: Ja'moke on April 08, 2019, 09:01:18 PM
We expecting any surprises on Raw tonight?

They've kind of killed the luster of the NXT call-ups with having so many over the past couple of months. And they're all out of legend returns at this point. Would be nice to get a big angle started tonight... but with the draft next week I feel like things will be put on hold.
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Post by: Timothy on April 08, 2019, 09:03:11 PM
Would be great if Shana Baszler debuts and wins both titles from Becky just like Paige did during her debut a few years ago. Also a good way for them to keep selling Fighting With My Family and a good way to bring Rousey back.

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I told you they’d fuck the main event. I bloody knew it. Charlotte was every bit the third wheel.

Without Charlotte the match would have been even worse. It was such a weird match. No kendo sticks. No chairs. A submission move as the opener. The table not breaking. The weird pin finish. The way they called out all their spots way too loud. And that while we all expected nothing less then a 4 star match.

I still hope to hear the cult of personality tomorrow although there's zero chance that's happens.
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Post by: Ja'moke on April 08, 2019, 09:25:55 PM
Would be great if Shana Baszler debuts and wins both titles from Becky just like Paige did during her debut a few years ago. Also a good way for them to keep selling Fighting With My Family and a good way to bring Rousey back.

Who hurt you?
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Delete Delete Delete on April 08, 2019, 09:30:24 PM
Whats the betting Either the Raw Tag Team titles or the Womans tag team title revert back to there previous owners tonight.

I'd like the Undisputed Era to debut tonight and beat down Seth And Roman.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on April 08, 2019, 09:35:42 PM
Who hurt you?

Don't know what you mean by that. Would be a great way to debut Baszler imo. Especially with Ronda being injured.

Undisputed Era debut would be also great.
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Post by: hummingofevil on April 08, 2019, 10:09:04 PM
Undisputed Era still have stuff to do in NXT. Not that that would stop Vince.

It's way to early for a four horsewomen angle as the other two are green as grass (I suspect they will never get to a decent standard). Shayna is obviously ace but still got title in NXT. The Sky Pirates are brilliant. They could come in and challenge the IIconics I suppose. They are too good from the main roster though.

I actually have no idea what to expect from RAW. I suspect it might be shite and the crowd will be up for it but it won't quite work.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: rjd2 on April 08, 2019, 11:38:23 PM
Crowd is normally smarky enough, so not sure we get a title change, so while Ryder/Hawkins wont have the belts for long,tonight seems early for them to lose them.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Delete Delete Delete on April 08, 2019, 11:41:33 PM
Actually I could see Ricochet and Black picking up the Raw Titles to make them a higher pick in the shake up.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 09, 2019, 01:01:16 AM
Pete Dunne and Sami Zayn returning are my best guesses now I've thought about it.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 09, 2019, 01:16:06 AM
Oh bloody hell. Title unification match on Raw. Well maybe not but winner takes all.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on April 09, 2019, 01:26:17 AM
Expexting a DQ finish. TUE debut and attack?
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 09, 2019, 01:42:56 AM
Expexting a DQ finish. TUE debut and attack?

Yeah I was thinking DQ but maybe they are unifying the titles after all. Im interested anyway.

You know what? I like Corbin. He plays his character brilliantly.
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Post by: Ja'moke on April 09, 2019, 01:45:05 AM
I forgot about Lars.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 09, 2019, 01:46:06 AM
Thought they’d ditched this racist prick.
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Post by: Ja'moke on April 09, 2019, 01:56:21 AM
That match was awkward. Were they teasing a Bayley heel turn? When she grabbed the rope? Or was that just a botch because Bliss fell out of her flippy sunset flip thing?
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Post by: hummingofevil on April 09, 2019, 01:56:27 AM
Thought they’d ditched this racist prick.

Nah. He took an extended time off with what was reported to be anxiety and panic attack issues.

Why the fuck are the trying to finish Alexa Bliss' career? This is the dumbest fucking match for a woman with long term concussion issues.
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 09, 2019, 01:58:38 AM
They just advertised a Kofi Kingston WWE Championship celebration on Smackdown, despite him supposedly putting his title on the line tonight? I guess there's shenanigans afoot.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on April 09, 2019, 02:08:17 AM
Vince gonna bollock Becky for calling them belts.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Mobius on April 09, 2019, 02:29:34 AM
Hate being at work for the post Mania Raw.

Can anyone please confirm for me if this Raw takes place in Bizarro World where the crowd boo who they normally cheers and cheer who they normally boo please.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 09, 2019, 02:33:01 AM
Hate being at work for the post Mania Raw.

Can anyone please confirm for me if this Raw takes place in Bizarro World where the crowd boo who they normally cheers and cheer who they normally boo please.

Not so much tonight. They brought out Kofi, Becky, Seth and Corbin early and even the smarkiest crowd isn't going against type with those four. It's been a good Raw rather than a weird one.
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Post by: Ja'moke on April 09, 2019, 02:45:32 AM
Bray coming back as an asthmatic puppet. Interesting choice.
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 09, 2019, 02:48:41 AM
I’m still refusing to believe Ambrose is really gone. There’s just something so off about the way it’s been so openly addressed, almost teasing a swerve.
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Post by: Ja'moke on April 09, 2019, 02:54:49 AM
It’s just going to be Drew interfering in the Kofi and Rollins match isn’t it?
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Post by: hummingofevil on April 09, 2019, 02:59:34 AM
The only way it makes sense if it is legit beyond just using it to get people to watch is if they don't want to risk upsetting Renee so are using him before he goes. Be amazed if it is not eventually revealed to be a swerve.
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Post by: hummingofevil on April 09, 2019, 03:18:07 AM
Ha ha. Sami Zayn heel turn gets cheered and applauded.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on April 09, 2019, 03:18:40 AM
Fantastic promo from Sami.
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 09, 2019, 03:28:23 AM
Oops, Undertaker showed up a day late. That’s what happens when you walk so slowly.
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Post by: hummingofevil on April 09, 2019, 03:28:30 AM
Nice.
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Post by: Ja'moke on April 09, 2019, 03:33:04 AM
No Drew or Reigns, so they gotta be getting involved in this main event.
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 09, 2019, 03:35:29 AM
I was hoping for Undisputed Era, but oh well.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on April 09, 2019, 03:36:08 AM
I was hoping for Undisputed Era, but oh well.

Same.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on April 09, 2019, 03:50:37 AM
Oh The Bar....
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 09, 2019, 03:54:25 AM
What a load of bollocks.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on April 09, 2019, 04:01:00 AM
What a dud.
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Post by: Ja'moke on April 09, 2019, 04:11:43 AM
Reigns and Rollins giving a send off to Ambrose apparently... after it went off the air.
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Post by: confettiinmyhair on April 09, 2019, 07:06:01 AM
After the John Oliver sting, any advocates of a off-season for WWE wrestlers should use a recording of last night's Raw as evidence. Take a month off, come back for the road to Summer slam.
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Post by: An Actual Propeller on April 09, 2019, 12:04:09 PM
My predictions for Mania.

WrestleMania Women's Battle Royal
Lacey Evans

Kofi Kingston vs Rowan
Vince told Kofi he's on the Mania card but never said he will be in the match against Bryan. I expect him to have to beat Rowan first.

Daniel Bryan (c) vs. Kofi Kingston
Kofi Kingston

Roman Reigns vs. Drew McIntyre
Roman Reigns

Bobby Lashley (c) vs. Finn Bálor
Finn Balor

Samoa Joe (c) vs. Rey Mysterio
Rey Mysterio

André the Giant Memorial Battle Royal
Braun

AJ Styles vs. Randy Orton
AJ Styles

Shane McMahon vs. The Miz
The Miz

Kurt Angle vs. Baron Corbin
Baron Corbin

Triple H vs. Batista
Batista with the whole HHH lost his career as one of the big Mania moments.

Buddy Murphy (c) vs. Tony Nese
Buddy Murphy

Brock Lesnar (c) vs. Seth Rollins
Brock Lesnar

Ronda Rousey (c; Raw) vs. Charlotte Flair (c; SmackDown) vs. Becky Lynch
Ronda Rousey

After Timothy's predictions at the Royal Rumble where he got every single one wrong, I put genuine money on the opposite of each of these results happening at Paddy Power.  A fiver on each, a tenner on the main event.  I bet £70 in total.  I ended up losing £4.32.  It was the battle royals that fucked me over (except the main event, the result of which even Sandman with a lit tab in his eye could have seen coming), because only the winners were predicted, not the losers.  Nice little experiment, shout out to Tony Nese for not letting my bank balance down.
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Post by: Timothy on April 09, 2019, 12:56:45 PM
After Timothy's predictions at the Royal Rumble where he got every single one wrong, I put genuine money on the opposite of each of these results happening at Paddy Power.  A fiver on each, a tenner on the main event.  I bet £70 in total.  I ended up losing £4.32.  It was the battle royals that fucked me over (except the main event, the result of which even Sandman with a lit tab in his eye could have seen coming), because only the winners were predicted, not the losers.  Nice little experiment, shout out to Tony Nese for not letting my bank balance down.

Hahaha that's amazing. My Rumble predictions were more hopes then true predictions. Didn't do that with my Mania predictions (only the main event) so they weren't that far off this time.
And because Ronda had her shoulders up during the pin she didn't technically lose so I'm still standing by my prediction.

Enjoyed RAW but The Bar made no sense and Sami Zayn was a bit too Daniel Bryan for me.
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Post by: An Actual Propeller on April 09, 2019, 01:19:51 PM
Hahaha that's amazing. My Rumble predictions were more hopes then true predictions. Didn't do that with my Mania predictions (only the main event) so they weren't that far off this time.

Kudos for being a sport about it.  If your Rumble predictions were actually hopes, then WWE's booking philosophy seems to be based around pissing you off :)
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Post by: Timothy on April 09, 2019, 01:44:04 PM
I can't even remember my Rumble guesses to be honest.
And I guess it's more fun to have all your predictions right when they make no sense then when they do.

Didn't expect Shane to win though yesterday. And if Mysterio hadn't been injured I expected him to win too.
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Post by: An Actual Propeller on April 09, 2019, 02:03:21 PM
That Shane/Miz finish was lame as hell, but winning a tenner took the sting out of it.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on April 09, 2019, 02:08:31 PM
Absolutely.

Same with the Carmella win. Made no sense.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: An Actual Propeller on April 09, 2019, 02:23:41 PM
A lot of things about WWE make no sense.  Too many things.  Have you tried NJPW?  Pretty much all I watch now and my intelligence never gets insulted.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on April 09, 2019, 02:58:44 PM
MLW wrestling is gonna be airing in the UK on Mondays at 10 on freesports channel.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: An Actual Propeller on April 09, 2019, 03:10:13 PM
MLW wrestling is gonna be airing in the UK on Mondays at 10 on freesports channel.

It's starting tonight with MLW Battle Riot at 10pm, so set your VCRs folks.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on April 09, 2019, 04:27:46 PM
Sascha was at Raw but not on TV and she canceled an interview today. And not related but Alexa blocked Her on Twitter.
Hope theyre doing fine.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on April 09, 2019, 04:55:47 PM
It's starting tonight with MLW Battle Riot at 10pm, so set your VCRs folks.

Ah, that explains the confusion I've been reading about whether it's Monday or Tuesday. Will tape that. Been wanting a good (but free) alternative to WWE.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: An Actual Propeller on April 09, 2019, 07:46:01 PM
Aye, Tuesday tonight, then weekly on Mondays.

In other news, here’s Zack Sabre Jr with the best promo this year. (https://youtu.be/V4p8VnHDRyc) (2:50 in)
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Spode on April 09, 2019, 08:46:50 PM
Zayn to join up with Bryan and Rowan please, and call themselves the Wicker Men
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 09, 2019, 08:53:14 PM
Aye, Tuesday tonight, then weekly on Mondays.

In other news, here’s Zack Sabre Jr with the best promo this year. (https://youtu.be/V4p8VnHDRyc) (2:50 in)

Class. I love how he seems to be building a head of steam, like he is carefully contemplating the precise word to use in every sentence then just calls Jay a nob. Ha ha.

I need to know what he said in second sentence? It was Japanese yeah?
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 09, 2019, 08:55:51 PM
Zayn to join up with Bryan and Rowan please, and call themselves the Wicker Men

Nah. They just need to sack of this lame Kevin Owens face character and have them back together as awesome dickhead heels. It should be a rule of wrestling that if they are not injured Zayn and Owens should either be paired or feuding. They should never be apart.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Spode on April 09, 2019, 09:10:58 PM
Nah. They just need to sack of this lame Kevin Owens face character and have them back together as awesome dickhead heels. It should be a rule of wrestling that if they are not injured Zayn and Owens should either be paired or feuding. They should never be apart.

Laughed when I read, possibly on here, that Vince’s advice to Zayn about how to get over as a heel was to basically continue doing everything he already did as a face, because he found it horribly annoying.

Feel as though Owens playing the anti-Bryan and Zayn could work a treat. Just have him sat with all his lights on in his house running all the taps. Replace RAW with three hours a week of him running taps.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 09, 2019, 09:14:09 PM
Aye, Tuesday tonight, then weekly on Mondays.

In other news, here’s Zack Sabre Jr with the best promo this year. (https://youtu.be/V4p8VnHDRyc) (2:50 in)

Monday nights is a good shout thinking about it. Staying up for RAW is always a pain in the arse so actually having an alternative to watch first and/or instead should be good. I also liked that Beyond show on independentwrestling.tv . Need to make some decisions about my subscriptions as they adding up.

Also speaking of awesome promos, someone has subtitled this Maki Itoh one from a few weeks back. She is great. There is a very funny twist at 01:30

https://twitter.com/thatdamn_chris/status/1110277210294886400?s=21

Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 09, 2019, 09:15:25 PM
Laughed when I read, possibly on here, that Vince’s advice to Zayn about how to get over as a heel was to basically continue doing everything he already did as a face, because he found it horribly annoying.

Feel as though Owens playing the anti-Bryan and Zayn could work a treat. Just have him sat with all his lights on in his house running all the taps. Replace RAW with three hours a week of him running taps.


This has made me laugh twice.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: An Actual Propeller on April 09, 2019, 09:42:55 PM
I need to know what he said in second sentence? It was Japanese yeah?

“Thanks for all you’ve done.” The translated version is on NJPWWorld.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on April 09, 2019, 11:28:55 PM
Christ, there's some fat fuckers in this Battle rumble.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Mobius on April 10, 2019, 01:54:59 AM
Christ, there's some fat fuckers in this Battle rumble.

What event is that? I love rumbles and fat fuckers.

Half watching Smackdown at work - looks like a Joe Braun feud? Could be a decent hossfight
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 10, 2019, 02:09:18 AM
What event is that? I love rumbles and fat fuckers.

Half watching Smackdown at work - looks like a Joe Braun feud? Could be a decent hossfight

I am guessing its the MLW Battleriot. On Freesports from now on. I've not watched it yet but hoping its going to be a decent addition to wrestle TV.

Also if that is your criteria then you need to watch Joey Janela Spring Break 3 part 2. The Clusterfuck match is precisely as you describe.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on April 10, 2019, 02:48:43 AM
I guess Vince ok’d the Becky 2 Belts thing. Probably saw money as soon as the crowd started chanting it. Expect the t shirt soon.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Mobius on April 10, 2019, 03:21:05 AM
I am guessing its the MLW Battleriot. On Freesports from now on. I've not watched it yet but hoping its going to be a decent addition to wrestle TV.

Also if that is your criteria then you need to watch Joey Janela Spring Break 3 part 2. The Clusterfuck match is precisely as you describe.

Ah cool, have actually watched some MLW and it looks impressive from what I've seen. One of the bits I saw a few weeks ago was that Jacob Fatu and his tag partner getting major major crowd heat. Was great. Was very impressed with Fatu.

Definitely need to watch Spring Break. Saw that bit with the legless guy which was brilliant.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 10, 2019, 03:50:32 AM
Part 1 was one of the best shows I have ever seen (it, Bloodsports and the DDT were very different but all brilliant). It was full of surprises including No Legs (yes that was his ring name) and the "brothers match" which if you don't know what I am referring to try to avoid spoilers and watch it; it's the closest I've ever come to standing up and applauding a match sat watching it alone in my kitchen.

Part 2 was mainly the Clusterfuck that was a very long multiperson match but also had the Rock N Roll Express LAX match that was genuinely really really good and for a match with no build and no follow up was actually rather moving.

Do you have a FITE TV account? If you are planning on buying anything let me know and I get INVITE you and we both get credits or something.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 10, 2019, 03:59:08 AM
I guess Vince ok’d the Becky 2 Belts thing. Probably saw money as soon as the crowd started chanting it. Expect the t shirt soon.

Getting post Mania Bryan/Benoit/Bret vibes about Becky. The fans have had what they want and now it's time for Vince to get his own way again. This Lacey Evans thing has dogshite written all over it (I actually quite liked her in NXT doing squash matches but challenging for titles in proper feud is asking of trouble).

Surely it's got to be Paige managing the Sky Pirates as the surprise? Would make WWE logic sense having Paige on the mic for them but I can't see it enhancing them as they should just do their thing in ring and cut short promos in English that get their personalities over. Who else could it be?
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on April 10, 2019, 07:52:25 AM
What event is that? I love rumbles and fat fuckers.

Yeah, was MLW's Battle Riot.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: gmoney on April 10, 2019, 10:05:01 AM
I watched a bit of it, but it wasn't very good.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on April 10, 2019, 10:11:45 AM
The Bar is sucking all the wind out of Kofi's win. That team has run it's course. No idea why they don't just have Owens spoil the party. He's great in that role.

Having the Hardyz win the title this quick after Mania with zero build makes no sense.

Samoa Joe vs Braun can be great if they get the time.

Becky Lynch promo's are still really really dull. Having Lacey slap her twice in a row makes her look weak. Weird booking.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on April 10, 2019, 12:19:11 PM
Getting post Mania Bryan/Benoit/Bret vibes about Becky. The fans have had what they want and now it's time for Vince to get his own way again. This Lacey Evans thing has dogshite written all over it (I actually quite liked her in NXT doing squash matches but challenging for titles in proper feud is asking of trouble).

Surely it's got to be Paige managing the Sky Pirates as the surprise? Would make WWE logic sense having Paige on the mic for them but I can't see it enhancing them as they should just do their thing in ring and cut short promos in English that get their personalities over. Who else could it be?

I think (and hope) that Lacey will just be a short filler feud. Becky’s promos are back on form again now she doesn’t have to keep coming up with Charlotte based material.

Paige would be a weird fit with the Sky Pirates. I was thinking maybe Rhea Ripley and Reina Gonzalez (who was in the MYC and teams with Rhea at live events).
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on April 10, 2019, 12:37:40 PM
I knew it!

(https://scontent.fhuy1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/56910154_2259387914105080_1145189567041634304_n.jpg?_nc_cat=110&_nc_ht=scontent.fhuy1-1.fna&oh=efe093b83707725f0308f26450c9d55e&oe=5D324167)
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on April 10, 2019, 12:55:51 PM
I think (and hope) that Lacey will just be a short filler feud. Becky’s promos are back on form again now she doesn’t have to keep coming up with Charlotte based material.

Paige would be a weird fit with the Sky Pirates. I was thinking maybe Rhea Ripley and Reina Gonzalez (who was in the MYC and teams with Rhea at live events).

Might be that Lacey wins though. They are building her up to be the next big female wrestler in WWE.

Weird that the t-shirt says belts. Can't imagine someone buying that.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Huxleys Babkins on April 10, 2019, 01:05:46 PM
BECKY BELTS 2: BECKY HARDER
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on April 10, 2019, 01:10:59 PM
Might be that Lacey wins though. They are building her up to be the next big female wrestler in WWE.

Weird that the t-shirt says belts. Can't imagine someone buying that.

I feel like Lacey will lose, but whoever wins the women's MITB will cash it in pretty soon to get one of the belts off Becky.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: An Actual Propeller on April 10, 2019, 01:12:26 PM
BECKY BELTS 2: BECKY HARDER

Ebecktric Boogaloo
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: mikeyg27 on April 10, 2019, 01:25:15 PM
I feel like Lacey will lose, but whoever wins the women's MITB will cash it in pretty soon to get one of the belts off Becky.

Now I hope this happens and we end up with a protracted, months-long court case as to whether the MITB contract enables the holder to win both belts in a single match.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on April 10, 2019, 01:28:16 PM
Now I hope this happens and we end up with a protracted, months-long court case as to whether the MITB contract enables the holder to win both belts in a single match.

(https://cdn3.whatculture.com/images/2017/02/255a34f6b620bab5-600x338.jpg)
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: mikeyg27 on April 10, 2019, 01:39:03 PM
Having the Hardyz win the title this quick after Mania with zero build makes no sense.

With the shake-up next week it's a pretty big clue was to where The Usos are heading.

(So why have them win at Mania, you ask? Because they deserve to walk in and out as champions for all they've done for the SmackDown tag division for the last three years, I guess)
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 10, 2019, 03:46:08 PM
Paige would be a weird fit with the Sky Pirates. I was thinking maybe Rhea Ripley and Reina Gonzalez (who was in the MYC and teams with Rhea at live events).

That would be pretty cool. Hopefully as face beasts as I can't buy RR as a heel. Have them come in an batter the IIconics would be pretty funny.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on April 10, 2019, 03:54:20 PM
That would be pretty cool. Hopefully as face beasts as I can't buy RR as a heel. Have them come in an batter the IIconics would be pretty funny.

That said, Nattie tweeted a "sky" and "skull & bones" emoji last night, so maybe it will be the Sky Pirates.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: An Actual Propeller on April 10, 2019, 03:56:14 PM
That said, Nattie tweeted a "sky" and "skull & bones" emoji last night, so maybe it will be the Sky Pirates.

Velvet Sky and either a Bullet Club member or LA Park are debuting as a tag team you say?
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on April 10, 2019, 04:24:06 PM
Becky-two-belts sounds like a playground jibe at a fat lass.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on April 10, 2019, 06:59:13 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/JKSVdHh/Screenshot-2019-04-10-Capt-Karnstein-Wrasslin-on-Twitter.png)
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on April 10, 2019, 07:01:56 PM
Oh nice. I might start watching Impact again then. I've heard it's been pretty good recently.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 10, 2019, 11:23:45 PM
Oh nice. I might start watching Impact again then. I've heard it's been pretty good recently.

I will watch and hopefully try to ween myself off Raw and Smackdown. Watched back DDTNYC and yes it is really good.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on April 11, 2019, 12:55:57 PM
AEW's TV deal expected to be announced at the Warner Media upfronts next month. It's rumoured to be debuting on TBS/TNT the same week Smackdown moves to Fox in October.

https://twitter.com/fightoracle/status/1116174553993109505
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 11, 2019, 01:09:10 PM
In Vince McMahon cuntiness news, he apparently fired a writer that worked with Bret for his HOF speech because he mentioned Vince. The poor guy was fired in Gorilla during the ceremony as well. Later on, those DX twats came out dropping Vince's name all over the place and Billy Gunn boasted that Vince can't fire him.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on April 11, 2019, 01:40:51 PM
AEW's TV deal expected to be announced at the Warner Media upfronts next month. It's rumoured to be debuting on TBS/TNT the same week Smackdown moves to Fox in October.

https://twitter.com/fightoracle/status/1116174553993109505

That's.... not a smart move. They need to get away from WWE as far as possible. Don't mention WWE. Don't say you're gonna beat WWE. Don't make jokes about WWE. Don't debut the same week as WWE. Otherwise it will end up being Hogan TNA 2.0.

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Later on, those DX twats came out dropping Vince's name all over the place and Billy Gunn boasted that Vince can't fire him.

Just to spite Vince? That almost makes me like DX.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: An Actual Propeller on April 11, 2019, 01:56:11 PM
That's.... not a smart move. They need to get away from WWE as far as possible. Don't mention WWE. Don't say you're gonna beat WWE. Don't make jokes about WWE. Don't debut the same week as WWE. Otherwise it will end up being Hogan TNA 2.0.

I don't think AEW is going to "compete" with WWE, nor do I get a TNA 2.0 vibe as the folk involved are a lot smarter than that, just that they're debuting on the same week as Smackdown does on FOX, because new programming has a tradition of starting in the autumn (https://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/tv-shows-premiere-fall.htm).  That's it.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 11, 2019, 02:00:04 PM
Just to spite Vince? That almost makes me like DX.

More like flexing their job security and/or freedom.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on April 11, 2019, 02:10:31 PM
That's.... not a smart move. They need to get away from WWE as far as possible. Don't mention WWE. Don't say you're gonna beat WWE. Don't make jokes about WWE. Don't debut the same week as WWE. Otherwise it will end up being Hogan TNA 2.0.

It's not airing the same night, it's going to be airing on Tuesdays. It's just going to be the same week, at a time when the "fall" TV season starts.

Also, WWE were the ones referencing AEW all over the HOF speech.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on April 11, 2019, 02:51:23 PM
It's not airing the same night, it's going to be airing on Tuesdays. It's just going to be the same week, at a time when the "fall" TV season starts.

Also, WWE were the ones referencing AEW all over the HOF speech.

Debuting in the same week on Smackdown's old night....

AEW keeps referring to WWE. They Retweet, their wrestlers keep talking about WWE etc. Not a smart move.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: An Actual Propeller on April 11, 2019, 03:01:30 PM
AEW keeps referring to WWE. They Retweet, their wrestlers keep talking about WWE etc. Not a smart move.

Watch a couple of episodes of Being the Elite, then get back to me with the total amount of minutes talking about WWE compared to not talking about WWE.

The odd reference to WWE is fine.  WWE is by far the biggest wrestling organisation on the planet.  It'd be weird if, say, Dean Ambrose/Jon Moxley joined and AEW didn't mention his past.  The problem would be if they pushed ex-WWE stars above homegrown ones, rehashed useless WWE ideas, hired dipshits like Vince Russo, stuff like that.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 11, 2019, 03:07:40 PM
There's a good point in what Timothy is saying though. There's a temptation for getting attention by shitting on WWE. We don't need another "see ya at the Alamo" moment.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 11, 2019, 03:29:56 PM
In Vince McMahon cuntiness news, he apparently fired a writer that worked with Bret for his HOF speech because he mentioned Vince. The poor guy was fired in Gorilla during the ceremony as well. Later on, those DX twats came out dropping Vince's name all over the place and Billy Gunn boasted that Vince can't fire him.

You read about the weird Pat McFee story? He was told not to wear jorts on screen so turned up wearing a pair of shorts made from a tuxedo trousers. Michael Cole bollocked him (in his role as overseer of all commentary talent) publically for it and he was forced to go and sit with the kids in Metlife daycare. McFee was about to quit and walk out at the way Cole spoke to him only for Vince to get involved as he had seen a picture of LeBron wearing a similar outfit that Vince thought was cool. Ended up with Cole apologising to McFee as he only had a go at him because he was worried that Vince would have fired McFee as Cole thought Vince hated shorts. So they all made up.

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It's completely fucking batshit.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 11, 2019, 03:35:41 PM
Yeah, saw that yesterday. That's the climate of fear Vince has created over there. Pat certainly won't put up with any of that nonsense, so we'll see how long he lasts.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 11, 2019, 03:40:38 PM
Timothy.

You need to go back and listen to the Jericho interview with Meltzer from a couple of months ago. They discussed at length how the intention is not for AEW to be in a "war" with WWE and they are happy to work, or at least coexist, with anyone, including WWE.

Jericho talked about how he pitched a Jericho/Naito WWE/NJPW intercontinental champion-vs-champion match to Vince (for Summerslam I think) and also The Young Bucks had mentioned the possibility of somehow having a match with The New Day in the future.

Dave told Jericho that "it is already a war even if you don't want it to be" as AEW were bidding against WWE for talent and Jericho (obviously conceded this and referred to 'other things' happening from WWE's side that had ramped up in recent weeks but he didn't want to mention them on the record).

Jericho then went on to repeat what we all know and that anything that happens with WWE is on Vince's say and that is the end of it. If he wanted to do a NJPW match in Summerslam it would have happened; if he wanted to come up with an agreement to have The New Day take on The Bucks and Omega it would happen. There is only one megalomaniac in wrestling obsessed with what his rivals are doing and it is not AEW.

Presenting AEW as a company obsessed with rivaling WWE is, quite simply, a load of shite and you keep referring to a couple of articles from external sources the AEW account retweeted a few months ago.

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FWIW  I am very unsure about a regular AEW product being a success but as they haven't even had their first show yet I will happily wait and see.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on April 11, 2019, 03:42:30 PM
Watch a couple of episodes of Being the Elite, then get back to me with the total amount of minutes talking about WWE compared to not talking about WWE.

The odd reference to WWE is fine.  WWE is by far the biggest wrestling organisation on the planet.  It'd be weird if, say, Dean Ambrose/Jon Moxley joined and AEW didn't mention his past.  The problem would be if they pushed ex-WWE stars above homegrown ones, rehashed useless WWE ideas, hired dipshits like Vince Russo, stuff like that.

It always makes me think of things like this (even though that's not from Being the Elite):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZmHz8l4y-w

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There's a good point in what Timothy is saying though. There's a temptation for getting attention by shitting on WWE. We don't need another "see ya at the Alamo" moment.

Exactly. And even though it's normal to debut in the fall, it's also about perspective. Debuting on the old Smackdown slot is a good way to start new WWE VS AEW rumors.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 11, 2019, 03:43:20 PM
Yeah, saw that yesterday. That's the climate of fear Vince has created over there. Pat certainly won't put up with any of that nonsense, so we'll see how long he lasts.

There is also the subcontext that you know Vince has a hard-on for a. anything to do with football so McFee automatically get 1000 brownie points and b. there is a very good chance that this was Vince fucking with Cole for a laugh.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on April 11, 2019, 03:45:32 PM
Timothy.

You need to go back and listen to the Jericho interview with Meltzer from a couple of months ago. They discussed at length how the intention is not for AEW to be in a "war" with WWE and they are happy to work, or at least coexist, with anyone, including WWE.

Jericho talked about how he pitched a Jericho/Naito WWE/NJPW intercontinental champion-vs-champion match to Vince (for Summerslam I think) and also The Young Bucks had mentioned the possibility of somehow having a match with The New Day in the future.

Dave told Jericho that "it is already a war even if you don't want it to be" as AEW were bidding against WWE for talent and Jericho (obviously conceded this and referred to 'other things' happening from WWE's side that had ramped up in recent weeks but he didn't want to mention them on the record).

Jericho then went on to repeat what we all know and that anything that happens with WWE is on Vince's say and that is the end of it. If he wanted to do a NJPW match in Summerslam it would have happened; if he wanted to come up with an agreement to have The New Day take on The Bucks and Omega it would happen. There is only one megalomaniac in wrestling obsessed with what his rivals are doing and it is not AEW.

Presenting AEW as a company obsessed with rivaling WWE is, quite simply, a load of shite and you keep referring to a couple of articles from external sources the AEW account retweeted a few months ago.

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FWIW  I am very unsure about a regular AEW product being a success but as they haven't even had their first show yet I will happily wait and see.

Thing is: I don't think it's wise to have Jericho do these interviews for AEW, considering he's still reviewing WWE shows on his podcast (or he has to stop doing that). And the idea of their wrestlers facing WWE wrestlers also isn't a smart move. They just have to get away from fans thinking this is going to be the next big WWE rival. They should stop using Jericho as a spokesperson for AEW even if he's doing it on his own terms or without them asking to do it. At this moment it will always be EX WWE wrestler Jericho talking about WWE while being in AEW.

You are right about AEW not being obsessed about it. But they should do things to actively stop their fans pushing it as a big WWE rival.

Shit it's hard to get my points across but the main thing is that they should try and get as far away from WWE as possible when they start because either way it's not helping them.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 11, 2019, 03:51:59 PM
Exactly. And even though it's normal to debut in the fall, it's also about perspective. Debuting on the old Smackdown slot is a good way to start new WWE VS AEW rumors.

When would you prefer them to debut? Monday nights at 8pm? Fridays?

If AEW can pick up 50% of the Smackdown audience that is looking to watch wrestling on a Tuesday night after WWE has moved then that will be a huge success for them. If they get 1 million views regularly as new promotion that is massive.

Put it in context. Vince is getting $1billion for an average of 3 million viewers a week just for RAW and another $1billion for 2 million on Smackdown in a country of 350million people.

The money out there is insane for these companies and there is no chance that WWE is getting damaged financially for a long, long time yet (if ever) and AEW know that and know that to go there as a device for drumming up publicity is just daft.

For context last Sunday's episodes of Countryfile and Antiques Roadshow drew 5 million each in a nation of 70 million.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on April 11, 2019, 03:54:04 PM
There's nothing wrong with Tuesdays.

But in that exact same week Smackdown moves to another channel from Tuesday to Friday. So yeah, they can pick up WWE's audience, but that can also backfire. If they do that then their first ever live TV show has to be completely perfect. If it won't be then they're screwed.

It also ignites that whole WWE VS AEW thing that some fans desperately wants to push.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 11, 2019, 03:56:38 PM
Thing is: I don't think it's wise to have Jericho do these interviews for AEW, considering he's still reviewing WWE shows on his podcast (or he has to stop doing that). And the idea of their wrestlers facing WWE wrestlers also isn't a smart move. They just have to get away from fans thinking this is going to be the next big WWE rival. They should stop using Jericho as a spokesperson for AEW even if he's doing it on his own terms or without them asking to do it. At this moment it will always be EX WWE wrestler Jericho talking about WWE while being in AEW.

You are right about AEW not being obsessed about it. But they should do things to actively stop their fans pushing it as a big WWE rival.

Shit it's hard to get my points across but the main thing is that they should try and get as far away from WWE as possible when they start because either way it's not helping them.

The fans can think whatever they like. The first lesson of wrestling (and music and comedy and sports and Rick And Morty and... ... well EVERYTHING) is to try not to judge an artist by their fan base. All fans of everything are dicks.

My point is that I don't see AEW (or many of their fans for that matter) banging on about WWE. The Jericho stuff is all fair enough as he is very precise and fair in the things he says (find me one clip of him slagging off WWE or Vince and I will retract that).

In fact the only person on here who keeps bring it up is you.
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Post by: Timothy on April 11, 2019, 03:58:50 PM
My point is that I don't see AEW (or many of their fans for that matter) banging on about WWE. The Jericho stuff is all fair enough as he is very precise and fair in the things he says (find me one clip of him slagging off WWE or Vince and I will retract that).

Take a look at the Square Circle Reddit and you know what I mean.

I hope AEW succeeds because another great wrestling show is good for all fans.
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Post by: An Actual Propeller on April 11, 2019, 04:10:38 PM
Take a look at the Square Circle Reddit and you know what I mean.

Stop looking at that shit and subscribe to the Observer.
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Post by: Ja'moke on April 11, 2019, 04:53:30 PM

It also ignites that whole WWE VS AEW thing that some fans desperately wants to push.

WWE themselves pushed it when Triple H said that Vince would "buy that pissant company" or when he mocked the "executive vice president" title or when HBK said Billy Gunn is "all-in."
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Post by: Timothy on April 11, 2019, 04:57:22 PM
That was indeed incredibly dumb.
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 11, 2019, 05:00:34 PM
WWE themselves pushed it when Triple H said that Vince would "buy that pissant company" or when he mocked the "executive vice president" title or when HBK said Billy Gunn is "all-in."

I think those were intended just to be jokes to pop the smarks.
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Post by: Deanjam on April 11, 2019, 05:08:02 PM
This made me chuckle.

(https://i.ibb.co/cFjt8DD/Screenshot-2019-04-11-Maffew-Botchamania-Guy-Maffewgregg-Twitter.png)
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Post by: hummingofevil on April 11, 2019, 05:12:29 PM
I think those were intended just to be jokes to pop the smarks.

“Jokes“ that would have had Vince losing his shit and anyone other than HHH begging to keep their jobs. HHH provoking AEW chants at WWE HOF would have been giving Vince a fucking meltdown. I thought it was them very much dropping their guard and revealing their true thoughts

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Post by: Ja'moke on April 11, 2019, 05:15:14 PM
I think those were intended just to be jokes to pop the smarks.

Oh, they definitely were jokes. But it's still mentioning the "competition" and they knew it would create a buzz.
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 11, 2019, 05:23:02 PM
“Jokes“ that would have had Vince losing his shit and anyone other than HHH begging to keep their jobs. HHH provoking AEW chants at WWE HOF would have been giving Vince a fucking meltdown. I thought it was them very much dropping their guard and revealing their true thoughts

I’m sure there was some bitter truth behind it. HHH did a lot of that with the “too sweet” chants and so on, he’s one of those cunts you don’t want to be around because you know they’ll just say mean shit to you and disguise it as jokes.

Anyway, my point was just that it wasn’t a sincere attempt to ignite a feud with AEW.
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Post by: Spode on April 11, 2019, 05:26:04 PM
You read about the weird Pat McFee story? He was told not to wear jorts on screen so turned up wearing a pair of shorts made from a tuxedo trousers. Michael Cole bollocked him (in his role as overseer of all commentary talent) publically for it and he was forced to go and sit with the kids in Metlife daycare. McFee was about to quit and walk out at the way Cole spoke to him only for Vince to get involved as he had seen a picture of LeBron wearing a similar outfit that Vince thought was cool. Ended up with Cole apologising to McFee as he only had a go at him because he was worried that Vince would have fired McFee as Cole thought Vince hated shorts. So they all made up.

---

It's completely fucking batshit.

“McFee, I thought I told you to trim those trousers! Go home, you’re off the team!”
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Post by: An Actual Propeller on April 11, 2019, 05:29:20 PM
I'm not sure why there's so much chat about referencing the "other side".  It's perfectly fine for AEW to give the odd mention to WWE and vice versa.  AEW's not going to make the same mistakes TNA did.  What's the issue here?
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Post by: Timothy on April 11, 2019, 05:31:47 PM
I'm not sure why there's so much chat about referencing the "other side".  It's perfectly fine for AEW to give the odd mention to WWE and vice versa.  AEW's not going to make the same mistakes TNA did.  What's the issue here?

It's not necessarily an issue but I think that an ex WWE wrestler who starts a new company, talks about how different his company is for both audience as workers from the WWE, and has his first show on the old slot of WWE's second biggest show is either very very sure his product is going to be fantastic or is making a mistake.
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Post by: An Actual Propeller on April 11, 2019, 05:34:00 PM
It's not necessarily an issue but I think that an ex WWE wrestler who starts a new company, talks about how different his company is for both audience as workers from the WWE, and has his first show on the old slot of WWE's second biggest show is either very very sure his product is going to be fantastic or is making a mistake.

Why do you think that?
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Post by: Timothy on April 11, 2019, 05:36:56 PM
There will be a lot of viewers who accidentally turn in into Smackdown's old slot or DVR it or whatever.
If that first show is bad, or poorly produced or whatever, they lose viewers before they even started.
I trust Cody and think the show will be great but any mistake will be used against them.
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 11, 2019, 05:40:39 PM
Oops, guess those RAGSHEETS were wrong about the writer getting fired at the HOF https://twitter.com/Oh_Robert_Evans/status/1116323690684264449/photo/1
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Post by: An Actual Propeller on April 11, 2019, 05:44:40 PM
There will be a lot of viewers who accidentally turn in into Smackdown's old slot or DVR it or whatever.

It won't happen, AEW won't be on USA Network.

If that first show is bad, or poorly produced or whatever, they lose viewers before they even started.

Let's not deal in hypotheticals.  They will lose viewers after they start, if the first show is shite, but we simply don't know that it will be.  It probably won't be.

I trust Cody and think the show will be great but any mistake will be used against them.

As long as they learn from their mistakes, it'll be fine.  TNA didn't.  AEW are a whole smarter bunch of cookies.
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Post by: hummingofevil on April 11, 2019, 06:22:41 PM
There will be a lot of viewers who accidentally turn in into Smackdown's old slot or DVR it or whatever.
If that first show is bad, or poorly produced or whatever, they lose viewers before they even started.
I trust Cody and think the show will be great but any mistake will be used against them.

They should put it on at noon on a Monday morning then just to be sure nobody watches it. Have you spotted the flaw in your argument yet?
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Post by: Ja'moke on April 11, 2019, 11:11:47 PM
This video of the Iconics showing off their new titles to everyone backstage is great: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvuM2l7oyN8
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Post by: An Actual Propeller on April 12, 2019, 12:58:03 AM
Caught the MLW Battle Riot show on Freesports, pretty mediocre show all told, but the star of the show is Jim Cornette on commentary. He’s probably the best announcer out there today based on that one show, a man everyone thought was stuck in the past.

He gets shit over even if they’re not to his taste, full of facts, explains psychology brilliantly, he’s funny as fuck, he’s just so great. Any other commentator and I would have cancelled my series link.
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Post by: hummingofevil on April 12, 2019, 01:33:27 AM
I know discussing Meltzer ratings is simply the most pointless thing in the whole wide world (moreover, I probably hear his voice everyday in one way or another but could probably only ell you the rating of half a dozen matches and 3 of those would be Omega Okada as I don't read his match reviews) but he's out done his trolls by giving Miz-Shane a 1.75 stars rating. It was definitely better than that but and I know he would be able to justify it to himself but its not only the low rating but the preciseness of it that makes me chuckle. Anti-Meltzer twitter are wetting themselves.

I actually think is most off score from the weekend was a 4* for Tanahashi-ZSJ. Just didn't do it for me that.

Gargano-Cole was a 5.5 so the best match ever under a Vince owned/WWE company in Dave's opinion.
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Post by: Ja'moke on April 12, 2019, 01:41:57 AM
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According to The Wrestling Observer Newsletter, the decision to switch the WWE Women’s Tag Team titles from Sasha Banks and Bayley to The IIconics came at the last minute for Banks, and has reportedly been a point of contention.

The Observer cites a source from higher up in WWE in claiming that Banks attempted to quit during WrestleMania 35 weekend. Banks was reportedly under the impression that she and Bayley were going to reign for some time with the belts as a way to give the titles credibility.

Additionally, several sources have said that Banks is being given time to think about whether she seriously wants to leave WWE or not. The Observer adds that Banks had originally been scheduled to be on Raw Monday night. Instead, Bayley appeared alone in a defeat against Alexa Bliss.

Banks also missed a scheduled appearance on the syndicated Wendy Williams Show this week, citing personal reasons. Her dropping out came apparently with hours to go before the taping. Though some staffers with Williams’ show claimed that Banks would never be invited back to the show, Williams herself announced Banks missed the taping due to a family emergency, and would be invited back.

https://cultaholic.com/news/sasha-banks-reportedly-tried-to-quit-wwe-during-wrestlemania-weekend/
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Post by: Mobius on April 12, 2019, 02:04:10 AM
Really enjoyed Cornette on that show as well. Added so much. I'd sort of forgotten he is so much more than just an internet curmudgeon. His introduction to the PPV was pure old school wrasslin. Loved it.

Yeah I thought Miz Vs Shane was better than that. I also don't think Gargano/Cole was as good as Gargano/Almas, but it's just opinion.

Bayley essentially jobbed to Alexa on Raw this week - definitely something up, Sasha and/or Bayley seem to be fucked someone off recently!
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Post by: Ja'moke on April 12, 2019, 02:26:02 AM
I don't even think Gargano v Cole was the best match on the card. Much preferred the tag title match and Dunne v WALTER.
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Post by: Mobius on April 12, 2019, 04:01:00 AM
Yeah I would agree both of those were better.

Gargano Cole just didn't have much build and the interference at the end harmed it a bit. It was a great match as you'd expect from 2 indie stars who've wrestled each other numerous times.

Don't like the little tease of an Undisputed Era breakup on this week's NXT. Does feel like since Bobby Fish returned that Roddy Strong's doing nothing though.
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Post by: Deanjam on April 12, 2019, 07:05:02 AM
Agree with Meltzer's rating of Miz/Shane. As I said on the night I thought it was shite. Amost all Shane's matches are like that. Lots of nothing happening, distractions and walking about, and then a big bump to make you forget the fact.
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Post by: Timothy on April 12, 2019, 07:52:03 AM
Miz vs Shane was great. The George spot was funny and lots of cool spots.

3 stars or more imo. Every Mania needs a cool match like that.
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 12, 2019, 09:37:43 AM
Agree with Meltzer's rating of Miz/Shane. As I said on the night I thought it was shite. Amost all Shane's matches are like that. Lots of nothing happening, distractions and walking about, and then a big bump to make you forget the fact.

Wouldn't except anything else from Meltzer, he's always had a harsh bias against Shane as well. There certainly wasn't "lots of nothing happening", must be confused with the plodding Triple H matches we get every year. It's very much an Attitude Era style of brawling. Not a technical masterpiece, but good fun. It speaks to the entitlement of wrestling fans that Shane gets dismissed by some for falling from great heights. Pfft, that fucking Shane, all he ever does is almost kill himself for our entertainment. What a hack!

Meltzer also gave Gargano vs. Cole 5.5 stars, so I guess a bunch of silly near falls is preferable.
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Post by: gmoney on April 12, 2019, 09:55:37 AM
I'd knock half a star off the Miz match, knock a whole star off of the Gargano match and add one to the HHH/Batista match. I will also try not to cry that Dave didn't agree with me.
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Post by: Deanjam on April 12, 2019, 10:15:38 AM
a harsh bias against Shane as well.

Meltzer also gave Gargano vs. Cole 5.5 stars, so I guess a bunch of silly near falls is preferable.

What's with this bias nonsense. It's not bias to dislike a performer, merely a matter of taste and preference.

Gargano/Cole was a much better match but I was critical of the overbooked near falls at the time. I'd give it a good 4/5 myself.

HHH/Batista was tedious shite.
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Post by: Timothy on April 12, 2019, 11:27:12 AM
Wouldn't except anything else from Meltzer, he's always had a harsh bias against Shane as well. There certainly wasn't "lots of nothing happening", must be confused with the plodding Triple H matches we get every year. It's very much an Attitude Era style of brawling. Not a technical masterpiece, but good fun. It speaks to the entitlement of wrestling fans that Shane gets dismissed by some for falling from great heights. Pfft, that fucking Shane, all he ever does is almost kill himself for our entertainment.

Meltzer also gave Gargano vs. Cole 5.5 stars, so I guess a bunch of silly near falls is preferable.

Shane is awesome. Really happy that he's back. Brings a lot of fun to the PPV.

Cole vs Gargano was 3.5 imo. It was good but all those nearfalls and Super Gargano annoyed me.
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Post by: An Actual Propeller on April 12, 2019, 01:06:05 PM
Thought Cole/Gargano was easily the best match of the Mania weekend and fully deserving of the full five stars.  Not sure what Shane/Miz match you were all watching, because I saw the typical boring Shane match with all the usual clumsiness and the one big Roadrunner spot at the end.

Dave Meltzer can give about thirty star ratings in an issue that nobody has an issue with, but if he rates one or two matches half-a-star above or below somebody else's ratings, it's like "what the fuck is he doing rating that match like a chump, the fucking arsehole".
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Post by: Ja'moke on April 12, 2019, 01:26:24 PM
Enzo and Cass are going by the names nZo and CazXL in ROH. Their tag team name - Free AgentZ... with a Z, obviously.
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 12, 2019, 01:28:08 PM
nZo is also his rap name. He'll probably be writing their theme song. He said he was done with wrestling anyway, didn't he? I know you can never trust a wrestler who says that, but I was hopeful.
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Post by: Deanjam on April 12, 2019, 02:12:56 PM
Useless pair of shitez.
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Post by: Timothy on April 12, 2019, 02:15:19 PM
I miss Enzo in the WWE. He was incredibly entertaining. Great asset for the cruiserweight roster or as a manager.
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 12, 2019, 02:20:02 PM
What's with this bias nonsense. It's not bias to dislike a performer, merely a matter of taste and preference.

It just seems unfair sometimes. It might not have been you, but I remember when he had an amazing match with AJ Styles, it was said that AJ carried Shane to a good match. Sad. His punches look shite and he's no technical wizard, but he can be a very entertaining performer. He takes more risks and puts on more of a spectacle than many wrestlers, and he could have just sat around living off daddy's millions.
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Post by: Deanjam on April 12, 2019, 02:33:28 PM
It just seems unfair sometimes. It might not have been you, but I remember when he had an amazing match with AJ Styles, it was said that AJ carried Shane to a good match. Sad. His punches look shite and he's no technical wizard, but he can be a very entertaining performer. He takes more risks and puts on more of a spectacle than many wrestlers, and he could have just sat around living off daddy's millions.

I might've said that, although I recall giving props for his performance against AJ. I enjoyed him and Miz as a team more than their singles feud. I don't hate or even dislike him, I even enjoy him at times, but I find his matches do nothing for me.

I miss Enzo in the WWE. He was incredibly entertaining. Great asset for the cruiserweight roster or as a manager.

Oh, no. I've disliked them since NXT. Nails down a chalkboard to me.
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Post by: Timothy on April 12, 2019, 02:37:31 PM
It just seems unfair sometimes. It might not have been you, but I remember when he had an amazing match with AJ Styles, it was said that AJ carried Shane to a good match. Sad. His punches look shite and he's no technical wizard, but he can be a very entertaining performer. He takes more risks and puts on more of a spectacle than many wrestlers, and he could have just sat around living off daddy's millions.

I've read that he sold all his stock for a failure in the Chinese market and therefore now is on the WWE's payroll as a wrestler.

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Oh, no. I've disliked them since NXT. Nails down a chalkboard to me.

I really miss him in the WWE. Enjoyed his work.
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Post by: Spode on April 12, 2019, 10:15:08 PM
This video of the Iconics showing off their new titles to everyone backstage is great: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvuM2l7oyN8

They’re brilliant. Easily the funniest characters on the whole roster. And that pose they do with the belts should get Meltzer’s first 8 star rating.
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Post by: hummingofevil on April 13, 2019, 10:51:30 PM
The problem with Enzo and the IIconics is not that they are not entertaining (as they undoubetbly are) it's just that as I am watching them I get massive I'm-a-40-year-old-man-and-I-am-wasting-my-life-watching-this-shit vibes. There have always been wrestlers who are good value but are crap wrestlers but at least in the old days you could cover for it with a bit of smart booking and a decent agent.

Watching shit loads of wrestling over the last few weeks I have realised that I like a whole broad range of wrestling and don't write off anything in principle (apart from deathmatches - blood is not for me in wrestling - unless maybe its those mental Mexican matches but even then one a year is enough) but there has to be a basis of being able to go in the ring. Whether it is that Takeda Gresham match where they make it look like he legit knocked the fuck out of him in Bloodsports or Tsuka wrestling a giant inflatable panda in Ice Ribbon Joshi there has to be the jeopardy with all characters that they are good in the ring at at least SOMETHING.

So for that reason alone I would be quite happy if I never saw either of those tag teams on my screens ever again.
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Post by: Ja'moke on April 14, 2019, 12:13:42 AM
Xavier Woods rocking out to Batista's music backstage at Mania: https://twitter.com/badlandsambrose/status/1116521121262604293
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Post by: hummingofevil on April 14, 2019, 12:31:56 AM
Xavier Woods rocking out to Batista's music backstage at Mania: https://twitter.com/badlandsambrose/status/1116521121262604293

Now THAT is good. :)
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Post by: Moribunderast on April 14, 2019, 07:43:52 AM
I watched the first Viceland "Dark Side Of The Ring" episode, about Macho Man and Elizabeth. It's pretty shit, to be honest. Doesn't go into much depth, just superficially goes over the angles they were involved in and a bit about their personal lives but it felt like there was no depth at all. It's just "They were in love. He could be controlling but, still, he was a nice guy. Lex and Liz did drugs. Now everyone's dead." Also didn't help that as Hogan refused to be part of it they got his wife instead, who I find almost as risible as him for different reasons. Only worthwhile bit was Jacob The Snakob talking about Savage being paranoid that he would set an actual venomous snake on him and thus forcing Jake to get bit by the snake first before running the angle. Lunatic.
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Post by: Timothy on April 14, 2019, 10:40:37 AM
The problem with Enzo and the IIconics is not that they are not entertaining (as they undoubetbly are) it's just that as I am watching them I get massive I'm-a-40-year-old-man-and-I-am-wasting-my-life-watching-this-shit vibes. There have always been wrestlers who are good value but are crap wrestlers but at least in the old days you could cover for it with a bit of smart booking and a decent agent.

The IIconics aren't crap wrestlers though. Trained by Lance Storm and good in the ring. Enzo is but he makes up for it with his mic skills and I would prefer him to be in the WWE as a manager. Imagine him being the manager of someone who is bad at English, like Asuka or for someone with bad mic skills like Curtix Axel. Amazing.

But I know the feeling you're talking about. I have that with No Way Jose.
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Post by: Deanjam on April 14, 2019, 11:42:21 AM
The IIconics aren't crap wrestlers though.

Yes they are. I'll give people that they have personality (although I find it annoying myself), but they are absolute dogshit in the ring.

N.B. And only Peyton went to Lance's school.
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Post by: hummingofevil on April 14, 2019, 11:45:59 AM
The IIconics aren't crap wrestlers though. Trained by Lance Storm and good in the ring. Enzo is but he makes up for it with his mic skills and I would prefer him to be in the WWE as a manager. Imagine him being the manager of someone who is bad at English, like Asuka or for someone with bad mic skills like Curtix Axel. Amazing.

But I know the feeling you're talking about. I have that with No Way Jose.

The IIconics are dreadful wrestlers.

Asuka and Curtis Axel are actual perfect examples of what I am talking about. They are both actually popular with the fans and are able to get themselves over if they were just allowed to do so and not be booked into oblivion by Vince. They have a natural charisma about them and (Asuka especially) can back it up in the ring (at least within the limitations of what they get asked to do). I have always thought Axel needs a better haircut as that brush forward 1990 Gazza cut does him no favours but he definitely has more talent that WWE will ever let him show. I'm sure he is more than happy with his bank balance mind.

Enzo managing Asuka has to be the worst idea I think I have ever heard. No offence mate...
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Post by: Timothy on April 14, 2019, 11:46:07 AM
I disagree. They're decent workers. And Curtis Axel having natural charisma? Anything but! That guy was pushed to the moon but didn't get over because he was so dull.

And if there's one team that deserves those female tag titles it's imo the IIconics because they're the only actual team.
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Post by: hummingofevil on April 14, 2019, 11:47:50 AM
I disagree. They're decent workers.

And if there's one team that deserves those female tag titles it's imo the IIconics because they're the only actual team.

It times like this I hope ToneLa/NewJack is lurcking, reading this and feels an unavoidable compulsion to log back on.
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Post by: An Actual Propeller on April 14, 2019, 12:40:23 PM
Short of Otis Dozovic and Lars Sullivan wrestling in a "loser has to wank the winner off to completion" match, I literally cannot think of a worse idea than Enzo Amore managing Asuka.

Also: Iiconics are fucking abysmal.
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Post by: Timothy on April 14, 2019, 12:43:04 PM
Ha. Asuka being managed by Enzo is maybe a very shitty idea but it might also be very very entertaining. Still think Asuka needs a manager though. Maybe Heyman?

Still think Iiconics are good though. Very entertaining team.

Looking forward to the draft. Hope the WWE champions switch brands.
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Post by: gmoney on April 14, 2019, 12:46:23 PM
Also: Iiconics are fucking abysmal.

Indeed, they are garbage.
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Post by: confettiinmyhair on April 14, 2019, 01:17:20 PM
Eric Bugenhagen from NXT has natural charisma.
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Post by: Ja'moke on April 14, 2019, 03:57:38 PM
Peyton is decent enough. But yeah, Billie Kay is easily one of the worst wrestlers on the roster. She sells like HBK in the infamous Hogan match. But I find them entertaining as characters.
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 14, 2019, 04:39:54 PM
I would like Billie Kay to improve so she’s not left in Peyton’s shadow. She’s the funniest, more charismatic of the duo.
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Post by: Timothy on April 15, 2019, 11:35:52 AM
Draft tonight! Who would you like to see switch brands?

For me:

To RAW
AJ Styles
Xavier & Big E
Becky Lynch
Shinsuke
Rusev
Lana

To Smackdown
Roman Reigns
Finn Balor
Baron Corbin
Drew Mcintyre
Braun Strowman
Sascha
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 15, 2019, 11:37:12 AM
Everyone's going to Smackdown in anticipation for FOX. It will just be Heath Slater, Rhyno and Titus on RAW.
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Post by: Timothy on April 15, 2019, 11:47:02 AM
Maybe Kofi and Rollins will switch brands. That would be interesting.
Especially if Xavier and Big E stay on SD. Although I hope they will stay together.
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 15, 2019, 12:21:42 PM
They won’t split up New Day, especially not by putting them on separate brands.
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Post by: hummingofevil on April 15, 2019, 01:02:25 PM
I can't pick this one at all. I am kinda siding with the idea that they will keep RAW strongish for now and have another reshuffle before the Smackdown FOX move but wouldn't be surprised what ever they do. They desperately need some new feuds. Could the big one be them swapping New Day including Cody over for Seth? Put the Universal Title into Smackdown in anticipation of potential future Brock and/or Daniel Cormier angle that FOX seem to be keen on.
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Post by: Timothy on April 15, 2019, 01:18:56 PM
I can't pick this one at all. I am kinda siding with the idea that they will keep RAW strongish for now and have another reshuffle before the Smackdown FOX move but wouldn't be surprised what ever they do. They desperately need some new feuds. Could the big one be them swapping New Day including Cody over for Seth? Put the Universal Title into Smackdown in anticipation of potential future Brock and/or Daniel Cormier angle that FOX seem to be keen on.

Cody?
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Post by: hummingofevil on April 15, 2019, 01:40:49 PM
Cody?

Freudian slip. Kofi. Thanks for the correction. :)

If Cody ever decides to do a full-on Dusty tribute gimmick as the blackest-white-man-on-Earth then may I be the first to suggest the character name of Cody Kingston.

Edit: just thinking about it, is it not peak-Vince with relation to his questionable portrayal of PoC on his television shows to have a black man appropriating black culture?

Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on April 15, 2019, 11:01:15 PM
Apparently lots of travel issues for the talent trying to get to tonight's Raw in Montreal (according to John Pollock and Meltzer). Not the best night to have a travel issues when you have a planned shake up.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on April 15, 2019, 11:20:04 PM
Really don't care about this shake up when everyone's been appearing on random shows the last few weeks anyway.

Unless they bring up Undisputed Era for a feud with AJ, Balor, Gallows and Anderson. Booked by Trips. 

MEGALOLZ!!!
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on April 15, 2019, 11:46:50 PM
So Backlash wasn't their last match together? Well I'm shocked.

(https://i.ibb.co/brhSN5G/Screenshot-2019-04-15-the-shield-last-chapter-Twitter-Search.png)
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Mobius on April 16, 2019, 01:28:48 AM
(https://i.redd.it/2ysyy1hlsis21.jpg)

WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS FUCKING COMPANY
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Delete Delete Delete on April 16, 2019, 01:29:56 AM
They have fucked up The War Raiders already.

"The War Raiders are rebranded The Viking Experience and renamed Erik and Evor."
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Mobius on April 16, 2019, 01:34:55 AM
They have fucked up The War Raiders already.

"The War Raiders are rebranded The Viking Experience and renamed Erik and Evor."

Oh god I’m just following from work so didn’t even  realise they’d renamed their names too hahaha. So Rowe is now Erik? What about Erick Rowan?!
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Delete Delete Delete on April 16, 2019, 01:39:19 AM
Nobody can stop Vinces war against names.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Delete Delete Delete on April 16, 2019, 01:42:38 AM
Balor Vs Andrade this could be great if it turns into a feud.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 16, 2019, 01:48:27 AM
(https://i.redd.it/2ysyy1hlsis21.jpg)

WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS FUCKING COMPANY

Ha ha. I've actually forgot to tune in and was watching Pobol y Cwm on S4C player. That is fucking awful. Only Vince could come up with a name for a tag team that avoids the insensitive use of the word "War" to accidentally come up with a name that is rapey as fuck.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Delete Delete Delete on April 16, 2019, 01:50:53 AM
The Viking Experience isn't even chantable. It means an end to the excellent War chant the crowd does.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on April 16, 2019, 01:51:57 AM
I can’t get over The Viking Experience... just, what. Vince makes some baffling decisions but this one is seriously insane. Sounds like one of those shitty themed  restaurants.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 16, 2019, 02:09:00 AM
Right i'm turning this off and going to try to quit this shit for good. I've got headphones in as girlfriend is asleep in bed and i've got this commentary team injected into my head. Graves and Young as the absolute fucking worst. It's not even what they say. It's there cadence and rhythm. Just absolute dogshit.

Bye Vince. I will try not to be back.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: magval on April 16, 2019, 06:50:04 AM
It's easy enough mate. Good luck with it! I've been out since Titus feel under the ring last year.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 16, 2019, 08:43:19 AM
It's easy enough mate. Good luck with it! I've been out since Titus feel under the ring last year.

I thought I’d shifted them after first Saudi show when I cancelled subscription and Sky Sports. It’s only fact that it’s so easy to watch on snide that pulled me back in.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: mikeyg27 on April 16, 2019, 08:52:16 AM
I'm very much laughing to hide the pain with The Viking Experience. Such was my brain's reluctance to accept it that here was a solid three seconds where I was thinking "who the fuck are this team who look exactly like War Raiders?"
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 16, 2019, 09:03:10 AM
Sami Zayn is awesome.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Moribunderast on April 16, 2019, 10:19:09 AM
The Viking Experience is hilarious. Expect the mega-push that AOP, Revival and Heavy Machinery got when they were called up. How long 'til Rowe, er, Erik, is dancing?

Also dilutes plans for when Velveteen Dream eventually goes up because the "experience" is kinda his thing. Although by this point he'll probably debut as The Velour Sleep Paralysis.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: mikeyg27 on April 16, 2019, 11:04:05 AM
The only possible explanation I can come up with for The Viking Experience is that every War '______' suffix is trademarked already. Why they couldn't just be the Viking Raiders or the Vykyngs or pretty much anything other than The Viking Experience is beyond me.

It also seems weird to call them up now considering that they're NXT champs and that division is going to need a complete rebuild over the next few months, unless they're planning to slot The Undisputed Era back there (which seems unlikely).
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: kitsofan34 on April 16, 2019, 11:06:39 AM
The only possible explanation I can come up with for The Viking Experience is that every War '______' suffix is trademarked already. Why they couldn't just be the Viking Raiders or the Vykyngs or pretty much anything other than The Viking Experience is beyond me.

It also seems weird to call them up now considering that they're NXT champs and that division is going to need a complete rebuild over the next few months, unless they're planning to slot The Undisputed Era back there (which seems unlikely).

What you're doing there is assuming Vince gives a solitary fuck about the long term developments of NXT.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on April 16, 2019, 11:59:39 AM
Really good RAW. Only downside is the Viking Experience. Awful name for a great team.

Commentary was for the first time in weeks quite good tonight. Shane was hilarious. Miz on RAW is good news. Tag match was good. Sami Zayn is awesome. Uso's and Mysterio to RAW, might make for some interesting matches. Andrade on RAW makes for a lot of interesting match ups and match against Balor was great. And AJ on Raw.... fantastic.

Looking forward to Smackdown. Hope Wyatt debuts his new weird character.

Quote
Right i'm turning this off and going to try to quit this shit for good. I've got headphones in as girlfriend is asleep in bed and i've got this commentary team injected into my head. Graves and Young as the absolute fucking worst. It's not even what they say. It's there cadence and rhythm. Just absolute dogshit.

Bye Vince. I will try not to be back.

Just because of the commentary? Because the show was quite good last night.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Utter Shit on April 16, 2019, 12:00:53 PM
I'm having great fun imagining the fleeting joy on the face of whoever it was that convinced Vince that War Raiders was a stupid, shit name. They've gone from being named after a packet of 10p crisps to being named after an unpopular educational Disneyworld attraction.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 16, 2019, 12:04:23 PM
Vince is apparently announcing the biggest acquisition in Smackdown history tonight. Presuming it's Brock.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on April 16, 2019, 12:04:44 PM
Hi guys!
So yeah, you are debuting on RAW tonight!
Yeah we know you are NXT Champs but we come up with an explanation.
Oh, by the way, we will change your name to The Viking Experience. Good luck champs.

Quote
Vince is apparently announcing the biggest acquisition in Smackdown history tonight. Presuming it's Brock.

Roman.

Again getting hopes up for Punk returning even though that won't happen.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: madhair60 on April 16, 2019, 12:44:15 PM
Kenny Omega
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: An Actual Propeller on April 16, 2019, 12:45:09 PM
A reminder that NJPW World only costs about nine quid a month and it's far better than WWE.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Spode on April 16, 2019, 12:47:47 PM
Fully bored of Balor now. Come out, grin, have the same match you have every week, do that fucking sling blade and then jump on someone’s chest. Or get distracted/rolled up. Yawn.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Huxleys Babkins on April 16, 2019, 12:55:26 PM
There's no-one on Raw he can have a decent match with that he hasn't already had a match with. Hope he goes to Smackdown.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on April 16, 2019, 02:09:23 PM
Since the US title did't go to Raw I don't see how Balor can go to SD now. In fact none of the titles look to be changing shows.

The biggest signing in Smackdown live history (all three years of it) will be a let down. Unless it's someone from outside WWE it's nothing to get excited about.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on April 16, 2019, 02:10:37 PM
Fully bored of Balor now. Come out, grin, have the same match you have every week, do that fucking sling blade and then jump on someone’s chest. Or get distracted/rolled up. Yawn.

He's desperately in need of a turn. His best work was as a heel in New Japan.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: An Actual Propeller on April 16, 2019, 02:41:25 PM
The biggest signing in Smackdown live history (all three years of it) will be a let down. Unless it's someone from outside WWE it's nothing to get excited about.

Boy, you're going to have egg on your face when it's revealed that it's a McMahon or Ken Kennedy or somebody equally as fucking shit!
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on April 16, 2019, 02:50:25 PM
Since the US title did't go to Raw I don't see how Balor can go to SD now. In fact none of the titles look to be changing shows.

The biggest signing in Smackdown live history (all three years of it) will be a let down. Unless it's someone from outside WWE it's nothing to get excited about.

It was rumoured there was a segment planned for Joe on Raw last night but he's sick and couldn't make the show.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Huxleys Babkins on April 16, 2019, 02:57:05 PM
He's desperately in need of a turn. His best work was as a heel in New Japan.

He sells boat loads of merchandise though so it's probably not happening any time soon.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on April 16, 2019, 09:29:11 PM
Harper has requested his release: https://twitter.com/LukeHarperWWE/status/1118246927999676416

Good decision on his part. He's got tons of potential and it felt like WWE was never going to do anything major with him... I mean, he was the most over guy back during the Wyatt/Orton feud and after that they dropped him back down the card. I can see him doing well in Japan.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: An Actual Propeller on April 16, 2019, 11:03:44 PM
Luke Harper would be GREAT in NJPW. I hope his release gets granted so he becomes a G1 Climax participant. Such a waste by WWE. Dude is a great worker, can promo, has a great look, and if he’s requesting his release then he’s still motivated.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: An Actual Propeller on April 16, 2019, 11:09:22 PM
WWE must be the only company around who would push a nomark like Baron Corbin instead of someone like Luke Harper, surely? Not even Impact would do that these days.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on April 17, 2019, 02:14:33 AM
Smackdown’s women’s division is stacked.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Moribunderast on April 17, 2019, 02:54:14 AM
Smackdown’s women’s division is stacked.

And Raw, the three-hour show, is left with Lacey, Alexa, Naomi and Nattie. Oof.

Sky Pirates have been broken up in favour of Paige managing Kairi and Asuka as a team. I disagree with giving Kairi a mouthpiece as I think her promos are very endearing but Vince and Dunn probably just see a Chinese speaking gibberish and assume the audience needs an interpreter.

At least it will hopefully lead to an Asuka heel turn and good feud.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on April 17, 2019, 03:32:53 AM
I was going to say Raw still had Mickie and the Riott Squad, but they’ve just moved Mickie and Liv to SD according to WWE.com (Apollo and Gable too).
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Moribunderast on April 17, 2019, 05:17:24 AM
Ah, Gable... the hope I had for that kid. Then they squandered American Alpha, tagged him with Shelton Benjamin (and they vanished) and then tagged him with Roode as a weird cosplaying goober... in a different time he would have had a Kurt Angle like ascendancy and would have already put on numerous Main Event classics. He's like the No. 1 Guy I want to get the fuck out of WWE and ply his trade elsewhere.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on April 17, 2019, 07:02:10 AM
Sky Pirates have been broken up in favour of Paige managing Kairi and Asuka as a team.

2 of my favourite wrestlers managed by an absolute gobshite. Marvellous.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Z on April 17, 2019, 07:56:23 AM
WWE must be the only company around who would push a nomark like Baron Corbin instead of someone like Luke Harper, surely? Not even Impact would do that these days.
Corbin is like 2 inches taller, somehow manages to look nowhere near as big as he is whereas Luke Harper looks gigantic.

Baron Corbin without his terrible hair looks like a guy I'd expect to be announcing the next Call of Duty game or some shit too, just an astoundingly boring look.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 17, 2019, 08:05:22 AM
2 of my favourite wrestlers managed by an absolute gobshite. Marvellous.

Yeah. Awful.

Is RR getting booed yet? Can’t be long now.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: confettiinmyhair on April 17, 2019, 08:07:44 AM
Kevin Owens joining the New Day is the modern day version of Owen Hart joining the Nation. Enough is enough and it's time for a change!
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 17, 2019, 08:08:36 AM
Kevin Owens joining the New Day is the modern day version of Owen Hart joining the Nation. Enough is enough and it's time for a change!

He’s what? Like properly joined them? Fuck me.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 17, 2019, 09:01:39 AM
He’s what? Like properly joined them? Fuck me.

Yes and it was wonderful.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on April 17, 2019, 11:28:16 AM

Roman.

Again getting hopes up for Punk returning even though that won't happen.

Shit I was right. Hoped for something better.

SD was awful.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 17, 2019, 02:55:42 PM
Yes and it was wonderful.

Oh good. I really like heel Owens hence my urgh but he is a naturally funny guy so replacing Big E for now is not a bad idea I suppose. Owens / Big E singles feud when E returns could be fun. Has E ever been a heel? I don't remember him being in NXT cos he had that awesome 5 count thing (who I think he stole off someone else but can't remember).
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on April 17, 2019, 03:16:25 PM
Oh good. I really like heel Owens hence my urgh but he is a naturally funny guy so replacing Big E for now is not a bad idea I suppose. Owens / Big E singles feud when E returns could be fun. Has E ever been a heel? I don't remember him being in NXT cos he had that awesome 5 count thing (who I think he stole off someone else but can't remember).

He was a heel bodyguard for Ziggler at one point. And obviously New Day were heels for a good while too.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: An Actual Propeller on April 17, 2019, 03:22:01 PM
he had that awesome 5 count thing (who I think he stole off someone else but can't remember).

King Kong Bundy.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on April 17, 2019, 05:32:39 PM
It was rumoured there was a segment planned for Joe on Raw last night but he's sick and couldn't make the show.

Looks like Joe is on Raw then, although they've not announced it.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 17, 2019, 05:43:41 PM
Trashy gossip on twitter right now about Lana and Rusev. I'll let you go look for it yourselves, as long as you're not at work.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on April 17, 2019, 05:57:48 PM
Countdown to my phone was hacked ... 5 ... 4 ... 3 ... 2 ... 1 ...


as long as you're not at work.

Aye. Deffo NSFW!
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 18, 2019, 09:33:26 AM
Becky bit off more than she could chew with Ember Moon yesterday https://twitter.com/WWEEmberMoon/status/1118669720654352384?s=09
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on April 18, 2019, 09:39:31 AM
Ha. Ember didn't mess around.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on April 18, 2019, 02:47:20 PM
I'm enjoying the "everyone is coming for Becky" stuff. That's all wrestling needs to be sometimes, people stepping up and wanting to take their shot at the champion.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 18, 2019, 02:58:35 PM
I'm enjoying the "everyone is coming for Becky" stuff. That's all wrestling needs to be sometimes, people stepping up and wanting to take their shot at the champion.

If only denim jeans British Bulldog was alive to join in :( GIMME MOY TOITLE SHOT!
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on April 18, 2019, 03:03:13 PM
If only denim jeans British Bulldog was alive to join in :( GIMME MOY TOITLE SHOT!

*throws a bin at Stephanie McMahon*
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: gmoney on April 18, 2019, 03:08:40 PM
"I'M BIZZAAAAARE"
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: confettiinmyhair on April 18, 2019, 08:17:52 PM
If only denim jeans British Bulldog was alive to join in :( GIMME MOY TOITLE SHOT!

Wal-Mart denim jeans.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Shameless Custard on April 19, 2019, 09:14:32 AM
"I'm coming for you.....GAME BOY!"
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 20, 2019, 06:18:18 PM
Anyone watching the new Viceland series 'Dark Side of the Ring'? It goes over well-covered ground, but provides some new information. It's a bit sensationalised in its production, but certainly worth a watch. Jim Cornette revealed that he came up with the idea for the Montreal Screwjob.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on April 21, 2019, 12:06:20 AM
Cody's opponent for Double or Nothing is, as suspected, Dustin Rhodes. Cool little video package: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCLnNAt8kxQ
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Moribunderast on April 21, 2019, 04:28:27 AM
While the match itself does little for me, I really hope AEW continue to hype matches with videos like that when they have a TV show. These videos are so good and show you don't need to do a million wacky angles or have people wrestling in endless tag matches to build up a match. Just state the issue, let the involved parties talk and if any extra seasoning is needed, go for it then. NXT is generally quite good with videos like this too.

Double Or Nothing card is looking very good - 5/7 matches I'm keen on with Lucha Bros vs. Bucks, Pac vs. Page and Omega vs. Jericho all a good chance to be excellent. Going to be interesting to see if they have any surprises in store. Dean Ambrose/Jon Moxley will obviously be the one everybody's waiting for. I feel like he's done with wrestling but I do wonder if these guys can lure Punk out of retirement in the near-future. He's a proud, stubborn man but the lure of all that money and doing a match (or a few) to spite WWE would surely be quite the motivator.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on April 21, 2019, 08:44:35 AM
Cody's opponent for Double or Nothing is, as suspected, Dustin Rhodes. Cool little video package: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCLnNAt8kxQ

Great video but probably a dull match. Onlu dull match on the card so far though.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on April 21, 2019, 09:24:49 AM
In other news, CM Punk ''returned'' to wrestling last night.... and nobody in the crowd knew they were watching him.

https://mobile.twitter.com/BensonRichardE/status/1119738101751066624?fbclid=IwAR2biLQuK83GZ84jbN5Xzrh1aESitGjD3-K-LhWtGg50-09NlrEaYU8gnjw

https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/bfie0c/apparently_cm_punk_returned_to_wrestling_the/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share'

Awesome.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 21, 2019, 10:22:24 AM
Great video but probably a dull match. Onlu dull match on the card so far though.

Remember the Cody match at All In 1 was ace. Big fight feels. I’m no particular fan of Cody in ring but Dustin has always been great and for what I remember always comes across strong in front of live audiences. It will be a sleeper. Surprise belter!
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 21, 2019, 12:11:26 PM
In other news, CM Punk ''returned'' to wrestling last night.... and nobody in the crowd knew they were watching him.

https://mobile.twitter.com/BensonRichardE/status/1119738101751066624?fbclid=IwAR2biLQuK83GZ84jbN5Xzrh1aESitGjD3-K-LhWtGg50-09NlrEaYU8gnjw

https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/bfie0c/apparently_cm_punk_returned_to_wrestling_the/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share'

Awesome.

Hah, he did it just like he promised. Miss u, Punk.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on April 21, 2019, 02:58:51 PM
Remember the Cody match at All In 1 was ace. Big fight feels. I’m no particular fan of Cody in ring but Dustin has always been great and for what I remember always comes across strong in front of live audiences. It will be a sleeper. Surprise belter!

Didn't really like Cody's match at All In. Entrances made it feel like a big fight but I just don't find Cody much interesting in ring. It was alright I guess. Don't think Dustin vs Cody is gonna be great. Fun to see, but not for longer then a few minutes.

Punk doing a sneak ''return'' like that was awesome. Imagine being in the crowd and finding out you saw Punk when you come home and read Twitter. Amazing.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on April 22, 2019, 08:55:00 PM
Quote
As noted earlier today on PWInsider.com, Aleister Black, Andrade and Zelina Vega were moved from the Raw brand over to Smackdown.

PWInsider.com has been told that the move to bring Andrade and Vega back to Smackdown was made, in part, at the request of FOX as the brand lacked any major Latino stars following the Superstar Shakeup last week and that once the series moves to FOX this October, there are plans to spotlight WWE's Latino stars on their Spanish language station, Fox Deportes.

Andrade is of course, dating Charlotte Flair, as they publicly revealed on the red carpet of the WWE Hall of Fame earlier this month, so this move also allows the couple to remain on the same touring brand.

Black was moved, at least in part, due to the fact he is married to Zelina Vega, as WWE has made an effort to keep married couples on the same brand, but we are also told there were some idea pitched for him as part of the blue brand.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on April 22, 2019, 09:12:33 PM
So the most pointless shake-up of them all becomes even more pointless. Hurrah!
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 22, 2019, 09:30:16 PM
Charlotte Hogan with that booking power. Get yer man, honey!
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on April 22, 2019, 09:50:13 PM
Dirthsheets also said that Cesaro is going to go to RAW. Solo.

Wonder if Sheamus is going to retire now duw to his neck problems.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on April 22, 2019, 10:36:30 PM
Viking Experience are now called... Viking Raiders.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on April 22, 2019, 10:39:49 PM
Much better.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: mikeyg27 on April 22, 2019, 10:42:19 PM
The only possible explanation I can come up with for The Viking Experience is that every War '______' suffix is trademarked already. Why they couldn't just be the Viking Raiders or the Vykyngs or pretty much anything other than The Viking Experience is beyond me.

Hey WWE, I am free for basic part-time consultancy work. You can pay me in WWEShop gift tokens.

Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Mobius on April 23, 2019, 12:01:06 AM
Viking Experience are now called... Viking Raiders.

Big improvement!

War Machine
War Raiders
Viking Experience
Viking Raiders

they'll be The Viking Machine next week
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 23, 2019, 01:51:57 AM
Viking Experience are now called... Viking Raiders.

That is even worse and I can’t believe anyone thinks it’s better.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Mobius on April 23, 2019, 03:43:00 AM
Bray Wyatt is back with a new gimmick

https://streamable.com/s5n9r

Something different I suppose.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: magval on April 23, 2019, 07:42:22 AM
He's the spit of his brother. Never noticed before.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 23, 2019, 09:43:35 AM
Bray Wyatt is back with a new gimmick

https://streamable.com/s5n9r

Something different I suppose.

First time Bray Wyatt has been intriguing in like 5 years. They always manage to fuck up his storylines, but this looks promising.

Fans are already moaning on twitter that they've ruined Bray Wyatt with this. Haven't even understood the segment or given it chance to grow. No wonder WWE ignores the internet so much.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on April 23, 2019, 10:40:07 AM
Wow. Enjoying this new Wyatt persona already. Promises to get really really dark. Think he can pull this off.

Looking forward to see whats gonna happen next week. Intriguing stuff indeed.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Chairman Yang on April 23, 2019, 01:27:33 PM
So... War Machine have to become the Jorvik Jobbers because of the very bad word but Bray Wyatt gets to give it some Gacy? ~

Do not trust. Will fuck up somehow.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: confettiinmyhair on April 23, 2019, 07:05:44 PM
Isn't he Jim Carey's character from Kidding?
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Spode on April 23, 2019, 07:23:33 PM
(https://cdn.sescoops.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Bray-Wyatt-firefly-fun-house-696x391.jpg)

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/YTFKnnT2Q1k/sddefault.jpg#404_is_fine)
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on April 23, 2019, 07:54:21 PM
The Bray bit was ace.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Golden E. Pump on April 23, 2019, 08:04:35 PM
I actually really like that look. If he actually wins matches, he'll be great.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Moribunderast on April 24, 2019, 03:21:26 AM
Haha, just reading a Smackdown report and nearly every segment I read made me inwardly groan. Roman Reigns vs. Elias and Shane McMahon! Chad Gable buried immediately! Andrade is back on Smackdown after one week on Raw and Finn Balor gets his win back! Bayley beaten in favour of Charlotte vs. Becky AGAIN! The Superstar Shakeup continues for no clear reason, indicating the entire promotion is booked on a cocktail napkin 5 minutes before showtime!

Seriously, that read like a very bad show.

But in good news, NJPW are coming back to Melbourne in a few months and I just got front row ringside tickets. I'm gonna challenge Tama Tonga to a FIGHT.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on April 24, 2019, 07:57:06 AM
Kevin Owens beat the shit out of Kofi though, so at least it had a happy ending.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Moribunderast on April 24, 2019, 08:14:29 AM
Kevin Owens beat the shit out of Kofi though, so at least it had a happy ending.

I'll be honest - I got so bored reading the report that I clicked to something new before seeing how the Kofi match ended, haha. Owens as a heel is better than comedy Owens, I guess, though there probably is mileage is a babyface run where he isn't a clown.

The Chad Gable thing was the biggest groaner for me. If that guy has any ambition beyond making decent money for doing nothing, he really needs to get the fuck outta there. I can only imagine how good he would be if he spent two years working New Japan.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on April 24, 2019, 08:58:28 AM
I enjoyed Smackdown. Was a good show. Very good crowd which made it even better.

Chad Gable should be drafted to NXT. Maybe he can get a persona or character there so that there will be some hype when he comes back to SD. Excellent inring but very dull character.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Huxleys Babkins on April 24, 2019, 09:36:41 AM
Gable's doing the right thing. Make as much money as you can until they inevitably drop you. Once you're out you can enjoy the indies with no money worries. If you get really hot you can make your WWE return on even more money.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Moribunderast on April 24, 2019, 10:00:57 AM
Gable's doing the right thing. Make as much money as you can until they inevitably drop you. Once you're out you can enjoy the indies with no money worries. If you get really hot you can make your WWE return on even more money.

The only problem with that is that, in the current climate, WWE are loathe to drop anyone as they don’t want another Cody out there and they don’t want AEW or New Japan picking guys up. As I say, if Gable is happy just taking the money (and swell if he is, it’s a job after all - not everyone has to take the artist’s mindset into it) then he should stay as long as he can. There are worse things in the world than making good bank while doing very little work, other than the travel.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on April 24, 2019, 10:02:40 AM
They granted Harper his release so it depends.

Gable is just in desperate need of a personality. Maybe a switch to 205 live or nxt will do him good.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: An Actual Propeller on April 24, 2019, 11:23:03 AM
They granted Harper his release so it depends.

Gable is just in desperate need of a personality. Maybe a switch to 205 live or nxt will do him good.

Luke Harper hasn't been released by WWE.

Gable's a wrestling machine that gets over via his matches, he doesn't need a wacky "personality".

205 Live is purgatory, nobody cares about it, and nobody ever gets drafted to NXT from the main roster.  Cable's already been in NXT, he's great, there's no need for him to go back.

What Chad Gable needs to do, is get out of WWE because WWE aren't going to do anything major with him.  Somebody of his level of talent this soon in the business, and somebody who has amateur wrestled in the Olympics, is surely not content with his lot at the moment.  He can earn decent money elsewhere and every other major organisation would love to have him.  Imagine him in the G1?  Or the Best of the Super Juniors?
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on April 24, 2019, 11:53:50 AM
Did they deny Harper his release?

And why is your immediate association with a wrestling personality whacky? Never said it has to be whacky. But at the moment there is no way to connect with him. No reason to look forward to his matches.

Without something that makes him unique or stand out from the other wrestling machines he will be lost in every company. Doesnt matter if its WWE or not.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on April 24, 2019, 12:06:01 PM
Gable reminds me of Jack Swagger. Always liked that guy.

Does anyone know if he is still wrestling?
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: An Actual Propeller on April 24, 2019, 12:14:53 PM
Did they deny Harper his release?

WWE hasn't granted it.  All we know is that Harper requested it.

And why is your immediate association with a wrestling personality whacky? Never said it has to be whacky. But at the moment there is no way to connect with him. No reason to look out to his matches.

Because it's WWE and that's what they do.

Saying there is no way to connect with him is false.  I connect with Chad Gable because his wrestling is excellent.  He's really talented.  What do you mean by "personality"?  He has one.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on April 24, 2019, 01:17:18 PM
Gable reminds me of Jack Swagger. Always liked that guy.

Does anyone know if he is still wrestling?

He's doing MMA with Bellator.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 24, 2019, 02:21:27 PM
Ryback has done an AMA on Reddit but he’s totally Ryback’d it https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/bgl8od/the_big_guy_ryback_ama/
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on April 24, 2019, 02:33:53 PM
Haha. It's more of a Ryback answers questions that aren't asked while the actual questions don't get an answers.
Hilarious.

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Because it's WWE and that's what they do.

That's false. There aren't that many wrestlers with a whacky personality in WWE.

I can't connect with Gable. His wrestling skills are excellent but he doesn't add much personality wise. Can't remember any of his promos.

But to be fair I have the same issue with a lot of wrestlers. I also find AJ Styles extremely boring. Great in ring, but zero personality.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on April 24, 2019, 02:42:24 PM
(https://i.redd.it/vktmns9zl7u21.jpg)

Ouch.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on April 24, 2019, 02:43:35 PM
O wait, apparently it's from last year. Stupid Reddit.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: An Actual Propeller on April 24, 2019, 02:58:03 PM
Can't remember any of his [Chad Gable's] promos.

You don't see them because WWE fills valuable screen time with the likes of Baron Corbin instead.

Ultimate point is that Chad Gable's too good for WWE.  Gable and Jay White started at around the same time and White's IWGP champion, cuts awesome promos and is now an elite wrestler.  Gable needs to leave when his contract expires, join somewhere better and get even better in the ring and work on those promos, and in the future WWE will beg to take him back on a much higher contract.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on April 24, 2019, 09:55:31 PM
As others have said, Harper hasn’t been given his release, he just requested it, and is probably going to have to sit out his contract like PAC did, and possibly Sasha will have to if she is determined to leave.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 25, 2019, 02:02:48 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D4_yKpJXkAE_AO3.jpg:large)

Also: https://twitter.com/XavierWoodsPhD/status/1121368409982349313
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 25, 2019, 04:45:29 PM
As others have said, Harper hasn’t been given his release, he just requested it, and is probably going to have to sit out his contract like PAC did, and possibly Sasha will have to if she is determined to leave.

So rumours are they blocking Harper's release and holding him to the 6 month injury extension. Looks like their not wanting to be 'the nasty company' extends only so far to what Charlotte Flair wants.

Also, The Young Bucks vs Penta and Fenix on Azteca TV (Mexico) was the highest rating AAA ever got for its show on that channel. No idea how much the bump was due to The Bucks (or how much that bump actually was) but it's interesting times. If nothing else it shows how insane the WWE TV deal is. $1Billion for 2-3 million viewers a week.

I'm increasingly thinking all these sports rights deals are dodgy as. Where is the money coming from? If its advertising then that is a house of cards waiting to collapse as we either not watch them or actively hate the products involved. All these apps and likes of DAZN are super dodgy in terms of where their investment comes from. Its probably legal but it will all be weird dark money from Middle East or something.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on April 25, 2019, 05:18:15 PM
No idea how much the bump was due to The Bucks (or how much that bump actually was)

22% above the previous record in that time slot according to Meltzer.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: An Actual Propeller on April 25, 2019, 06:12:43 PM
AAA Azteca ratings:

19/04: 3.2 rating (5.4 million viewers - a million more than previous record)
12/04: 2.5 rating (3.9 million viewers)
05/04: 2.1 rating (4.4 million viewers)
29/03: 2.3 rating (4.1 million viewers)
22/03: 2.1 rating (3.3 million viewers)

The AAA show is by far the most watched wrestling show in North America.  19/04 was promoted as a Good Friday special so may have helped the viewing figures.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Spode on April 25, 2019, 09:10:37 PM
Finding everything but the actual television compelling about WWE right now. FOX supposedly having input on the shakeup (Almas back on Smackdown), privately not giving a shit about couples (Almas originally on RAW) but then backtracking to either genuinely appease talent they didn’t realise they were upsetting or to portray publicly that they didn’t actually  want to fuck up people’s lives for the fun of it. Re-naming the War Raiders and then changing it due to the bad reaction and never acknowledging it ever happened - the whole thing seems to be blind panic with no long term planning at all. If AEW turns out to be even half decent, I genuinely think they’re in serious trouble.

Also think this Harper situation is going to blow up in light of the recent John Oliver segment. I can’t comprehend how they can extend the contracts of talent as a punishment for not working when they clearly hate their jobs.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 25, 2019, 09:21:29 PM
Also think this Harper situation is going to blow up in light of the recent John Oliver segment. I can’t comprehend how they can extend the contracts of talent as a punishment for not working when they clearly hate their jobs.

Having one of their owners as Trump's main fundraiser will keep that wolf at the door for at least the next 2 years.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on April 25, 2019, 10:13:40 PM
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On Thursday's Q1 call for investors, WWE Chairman Vince McMahon pointed to 15 top and mid-card talents being out as the reason for declining numbers.

"When you don't have talent, you don't have storylines. When you don't have storylines, you're not going to do that well in terms of live events and television ratings. It was like a cascade of things that happened," he said.

https://www.f4wonline.com/wwe-news/vince-mcmahon-talent-absences-blame-declining-wwe-numbers-282366?amp&__twitter_impression=true
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Mobius on April 26, 2019, 02:39:17 AM
Rhea Ripley #cancelled
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on April 26, 2019, 09:25:21 AM
Quote
When you don't have talent, you don't have storylines. When you don't have storylines, you're not going to do that well in terms of live events and television ratings. It was like a cascade of things that happened," he said.

McMahon followed that up by saying that all those talents were back and that they "made new talent." He was optimistic for the future, citing new additions to the writing team and a new live events team that is now in place.   

Worlds shittiest boss.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: boki on April 26, 2019, 03:06:04 PM
Rhea Ripley #cancelled

Her apology was, err, interestingly worded.  I doubt anything much'll come of it, although I'd expect that the E will have a word with her edgelord chums about their stream.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: An Actual Propeller on April 29, 2019, 12:35:52 AM
AAA Azteca ratings:

19/04: 3.2 rating (5.4 million viewers - a million more than previous record)
12/04: 2.5 rating (3.9 million viewers)
05/04: 2.1 rating (4.4 million viewers)
29/03: 2.3 rating (4.1 million viewers)
22/03: 2.1 rating (3.3 million viewers)

The AAA show is by far the most watched wrestling show in North America.  19/04 was promoted as a Good Friday special so may have helped the viewing figures.

Apparent correction on the 19/4 number: according to Superluchas (https://superluchas.com/no-los-young-bucks-no-lograron-un-rating-historico-para-aaa/), it was actually a 1.37 rating, for 772,140 viewers. Doubt The Young Bucks will tweet that.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 29, 2019, 02:54:26 PM
Impressive promo from Cody here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azQwNRD3H_o
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on April 29, 2019, 05:27:16 PM
That was great... not sure about the fake crying at the end, but everything else, perfect.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 29, 2019, 05:54:33 PM
Yeah. Was good that. Am I getting ahead of myself with these CM Punk mentions. It's obviously very early stages and Meltzer has reported previously that Punk is "done with wrestling" but there must be a part of him that thinks if he prescence in AEW helps them grow then it's another fuck you to the WWE who he clearly despises. I suspect if he does appear it will be in stage 2 of AEW but would be class.

In other news the ROH/NWA Crocket Cup show looked really good. I haven't seen it all as coudn't justify paying out another £25 but the design and production was great and the reviews say the matches were great.

https://twitter.com/nwa/status/1122289951645818881

Ricky Morton still got it at 62 and that ring mat.... beautiful.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on April 29, 2019, 08:11:43 PM
Yeah. Was good that. Am I getting ahead of myself with these CM Punk mentions. It's obviously very early stages and Meltzer has reported previously that Punk is "done with wrestling" but there must be a part of him that thinks if he prescence in AEW helps them grow then it's another fuck you to the WWE who he clearly despises. I suspect if he does appear it will be in stage 2 of AEW but would be class.

Well, he's not quite done with wrestling as he's been popping up at random indie shows in disguise. It's probably going to take a while before he takes a proper dive back in though.
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Post by: hummingofevil on April 29, 2019, 11:30:05 PM
Meiko Satomura vs Sareee from SEAdling (I think)

Some fun kicks for you to enjoy.

https://twitter.com/narukiroy/status/1122325157069185024
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 30, 2019, 12:37:38 AM
Might watch Raw for a bit. But nothing will be as entertaining as Harry / Davey Boy Jr's fashion sense. I really loved him in Bloodsports but thought he could do with moving away from the Union Flag ring gear and should be a dressed in black badass. I suspect he will never accept that advice (and I'm not the one to argue with him).

https://twitter.com/DBSmithjr/status/1123001522487529473
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 30, 2019, 09:19:49 AM
Didn't watch Raw. Instead got sucked into a row online about some Israeli wrestling fans acting like dicks in a load of shows in Tokyo in last week. When you think wrestling fans couldn't reach new depths of lacking self-awareness there is always a new one to come along and lower one's expectations.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 30, 2019, 09:20:30 AM
Meiko Satomura vs Sareee from SEAdling (I think)

Some fun kicks for you to enjoy.

https://twitter.com/narukiroy/status/1122325157069185024

This was Sendai girls. They doing a show in Manchester in June and I'm half tempted.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Moribunderast on April 30, 2019, 01:07:32 PM
That Cody promo was all sorts of ace. I love goofiness in wrestling but I’m equally a fan of when it’s taken seriously with sincere and genuine builds. If AEW can build it’s big matches with promos and production value the like of the Dustin and Cody videos and then blend that in to a show with some BTE/All In style goofiness I will be a happy camper.

Watching the Impact PPV “Rebellion” currently. It’s sad because the small venues and crowds make it feel very low-rent but some of the match builds seem like they’ve been really good telly. Sami Callinana and Rich Swann had a good hardcore match based off a cool looking angle and as I type I am watching a very good Gail Kim vs. Tessa Blanchard match. Still got Brian Cage vs. Johnny Mundo/Impact and LAX vs. Pentagon and Fenix in a TLC match, which should both be good.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on April 30, 2019, 05:03:19 PM
Apparently The Revival turned down a $500k a year contract... then on last night's Raw they did a segment were the Usos caught Dash shaving Dawson's back in the shower. Coincidence?
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on April 30, 2019, 05:51:19 PM
Just heard that on Observer radio. WWE are so petty. Quite pathetic.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on April 30, 2019, 06:35:46 PM
Apparently The Revival turned down a $500k a year contract... then on last night's Raw they did a segment were the Usos caught Dash shaving Dawson's back in the shower. Coincidence?

I thought that was Richocet? Ha ha. Yeah. Look's like Vince and Paul's determination not to be the bad guy company has lasted a matter of weeks.

TBF if you paid me 500k you can take the piss out of me all you want.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Z on April 30, 2019, 09:29:09 PM
It's kind of interesting though, there's a whole generation of guys now who have gotten into it post-RF video shoots and all that shit, wholly aware of how shit the business can be from listening to washed up has beens waffle on for hours. These are guys where 500k a year was probably never that big of a motivator to them at all. Their idols are guys who built up their names outside of the WWE, the recent runs of Joe and AJ stand to serve as proof that there's a reward in keeping away and honing your craft... WWE's buying power just isn't what it realistically should be.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Moribunderast on May 01, 2019, 06:09:30 AM
Well, Dean Ambrose's "retirement" didn't last long. Jon Moxley is BACK. (https://mobile.twitter.com/jonmoxley/status/1123438186410205184?s=21)

Presumably AEW bound?
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on May 01, 2019, 09:25:06 AM
Counting the days, escaping from jail and eventually getting chased out by a dog.

Fucking great video that was.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: petrilTanaka on May 01, 2019, 11:00:43 AM
better than about 90% of post-Shield Ambrose shenanigans
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: gmoney on May 01, 2019, 11:05:53 AM
Nailz 2000
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Moribunderast on May 01, 2019, 11:08:48 AM
Aaaand apparently WWE have added 2 months to Dash Wilder's contract due to injury lay-off. God they're fucking reprehensible.

I need to send a question in to Meltzer and get him to explain these contracts to me. I know American workers' rights are fucked but how can it be that people can seemingly not quit a job? If someone does quit, do they have to sit out their contract without pay? Or does the contract just get frozen in perpetuity? It seems like utter lunacy. Hopefully the talent is learning from this shit and refuse to sign contracts with these clauses in place going forward. Nobody should be a hostage at their fucken place of work.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: An Actual Propeller on May 01, 2019, 11:50:12 AM
I'm not Dave Meltzer, but here's what I know and assume:

I know American workers' rights are fucked but how can it be that people can seemingly not quit a job?

Because the wrestler signed a contract saying that they cannot work elsewhere.

If someone does quit, do they have to sit out their contract without pay?

They still get paid, otherwise it gives a wrestler a way out of the contract.  However, WWE may have the right to suspend a wrestler without pay if they don't do as they're told.  Depends on who it is, depends on the contract.

Or does the contract just get frozen in perpetuity?

It probably will, if WWE deems the wrestler is useful to another organisation.  Not a contract thing, it's a "we're in a wrestling war" thing.

It seems like utter lunacy. Hopefully the talent is learning from this shit and refuse to sign contracts with these clauses in place going forward. Nobody should be a hostage at their fucken place of work.

Talent will still sign for WWE despite this because WWE still (often) pays more than anywhere else and WWE is by far the biggest wrestling promotion on the planet and has the most exposure.  WWE has all the leverage in the world, and the best lawyers.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Moribunderast on May 01, 2019, 12:13:41 PM
So effectively you can not quit a WWE contract because if you leave and don't return they can just ice you until you've fulfilled the contractually obligated length of time or number of dates. Do you think such a contract (and with the independent contractor status) would hold up if challenged in court? I realise no wrestler will do so, for fear of being bled monetarily dry by WWE's lawyers and permanently burning bridges with Vince but it just seems absolutely ridiculous. Like, I could see a "no-compete" clause saying you can't go wrestle elsewhere until your contract is up (though that makes a mockery if the IC status itself) but actually being able to freeze a contract for injury or quitting... I'm not new to how fucked corporate America is when it comes to it's employees but it's just a shitty situation. If someone is miserable at work they should not be held hostage.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: An Actual Propeller on May 01, 2019, 12:48:55 PM
Do you think such a contract (and with the independent contractor status) would hold up if challenged in court? I realise no wrestler will do so, for fear of being bled monetarily dry by WWE's lawyers and permanently burning bridges with Vince but it just seems absolutely ridiculous.

Well, yeah, that's the reason.  Lawyers.

I'm no employment lawyer, but I think that, as long as a wrestler gets paid, it won't hold up in court.

If the wrestler does not get paid, the wrestler has a chance to get out of it.  Brock Lesnar had a no-compete clause in his contract when he left in the mid-2000s, but that didn't hold up in court so he and WWE reached an out-of-court settlement and he was released.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on May 01, 2019, 01:05:06 PM
Something similar happened with Daniel Bryan supposedly. He was all ready to leave and go elsewhere (he knew he would get cleared to wrestle outside of WWE and supposedly had dream of wrestling in AAA and NJPW - at least as a guest) and thought his contract was running down. When WWE cleared him WWE told him that as he had been out injured they had extended his contract (even though, interestingly he was still appearing on TV regularly). DB basically gave in at that point and instead of challenging this took solace in signing the big money contract they offered him instead.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Moribunderast on May 01, 2019, 01:15:35 PM
Haha, that's classic. Put him on the bench for two years, despite the fact his own doctors say he's okay to wrestle, and then let him wrestle but tell him you added the two years to his contract. Utter pricks.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on May 01, 2019, 01:50:31 PM
WWE saying howdy to the Saudis yet again in June, Goldberg is returning for it https://www.wwe.com/worldwide/article/wwe-superstars-return-to-jeddah-june-2019
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: ads82 on May 01, 2019, 06:32:12 PM
The Raw ratings have taken quite considerable drop recently, but last week's look to have record lows. It will be interesting to see how long the decline continues and if this could effect upcoming coming television deals and potential AEW deals.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on May 01, 2019, 06:56:31 PM
It is because Raw is utter dogshit. It takes some doing and I am on my third go in giving up completely but there is literally no point in watching it. Those of us that do do it only out of habit. The wrestlers are obviously very talented but the presentation, the set, the booking, the commentary and the storylines range from shite to utter shite. The build to PPVs is so poor they are actually more enjoyable if you don't watch Raw every week. Add to that a Sky Sports or a Network subscription is giving Vince money who is happy to funnel cash to Trump, work with the Saudis who recently fucking literally crucified people and holds "independent contractors" to exclusive contracts then the whole thing is an utter cunt's trick and none of us should ever have anything to do with any of it every again.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: BeardFaceMan on May 01, 2019, 07:24:11 PM
It is because Raw is utter dogshit. It takes some doing and I am on my third go in giving up completely but there is literally no point in watching it. Those of us that do do it only out of habit. The wrestlers are obviously very talented but the presentation, the set, the booking, the commentary and the storylines range from shite to utter shite. The build to PPVs is so poor they are actually more enjoyable if you don't watch Raw every week. Add to that a Sky Sports or a Network subscription is giving Vince money who is happy to funnel cash to Trump, work with the Saudis who recently fucking literally crucified people and holds "independent contractors" to exclusive contracts then the whole thing is an utter cunt's trick and none of us should ever have anything to do with any of it every again.

Well said. You really will feel better after washing your hands of that dogshit company, especially when there are so many other compelling options.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Spode on May 01, 2019, 08:29:30 PM
It is because Raw is utter dogshit. It takes some doing and I am on my third go in giving up completely but there is literally no point in watching it. Those of us that do do it only out of habit. The wrestlers are obviously very talented but the presentation, the set, the booking, the commentary and the storylines range from shite to utter shite. The build to PPVs is so poor they are actually more enjoyable if you don't watch Raw every week. Add to that a Sky Sports or a Network subscription is giving Vince money who is happy to funnel cash to Trump, work with the Saudis who recently fucking literally crucified people and holds "independent contractors" to exclusive contracts then the whole thing is an utter cunt's trick and none of us should ever have anything to do with any of it every again.

The whole product is pretty unwatchable. I tend to just have a look online at what has happened on RAW and Smackdown and then look for links to any segments that have sounded half decent. Listen to WOR and WOL on the way to and from work because I generally like Meltzer and Alvarez and it keeps me up to date. Used to watch the majority of PPVs on the network over the course of a week. Even that last bit had become a chore though so I’ve cancelled the network and will just look online for any stand out matches afterwards.

With the ratings plunging as they are, there has to be a real chance that, if AEW end up on a proper station, they could even end up with better ratings this year.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on May 01, 2019, 09:39:56 PM
Well said. You really will feel better after washing your hands of that dogshit company, especially when there are so many other compelling options.

I've been increasingly watching more random stuff. The Joshi world is a bit tricky to get head around but there are so many different styles.Tokyo Joshi is fun but not a great deal of depth in the roster (Yamashita is a good wrestler and Maki Itoh is brilliant fun and there is Stardom obviously, Ice Ribbon and SEAdlinng that are all worth a watch and I am very tempted by that Sendai Girls show in Manchester. DDT is great fun but the navigation on it's website is a nightmare and enjoyed MLW and Impact (the Impact Women are great). I even kept my independentwrestling.tv subscription for an extra month after extending the free trial from Mania week and have been enjoying the Beyond Wrestling show featuring most of the guys who were on the GCW stuff over Mania week. Also heard really good things about All Japan and one month I am going to get Eve and binge watch it. In fact that is the way to do these subscription services. Just get one a month and binge watch the last few months of programming.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on May 01, 2019, 11:01:36 PM
Smackdown had 1.8 million viewers this week. That's less than some TNA Impact shows did in the past.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Mobius on May 02, 2019, 02:58:01 AM
Honestly it's just shit. Same shit every week, same promos, same generic commentary, stupid fucking nicknames and catchphases, constant adverts, wins and losses not mattering...nothing mattering. This is the worst shakeup/roster change ever. There's just no logic or consistency to anything

They have the best roster in the history of rassling and this is the shite we get

I don't even really pay much attention to NXT now, what's the point? No point caring about anyone, they'll just get fucked when they move up.

Why the FUCK is Shane O'Mac on Raw & Smackdown and getting more airtime and more feud build than actual fucking wrestlers!!!

Remember the 'you guys are the GM now!' McMahon promo from a few months back? Good times...

Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Moribunderast on May 02, 2019, 04:37:04 AM
I believe Shane’s business investments went belly up so he has a wrestler contract, thus necessitating him doing more in-ring than previously.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on May 02, 2019, 09:18:33 AM
It is because Raw is utter dogshit. It takes some doing and I am on my third go in giving up completely but there is literally no point in watching it. Those of us that do do it only out of habit. The wrestlers are obviously very talented but the presentation, the set, the booking

What's wrong with the presentation and set?

I'm enjoying both RAW and SD at the moment. Drew's promo against Corbin was good, he finally shows some character. Looking forward to see Ricochet in the MITB match. Rollins vs AJ is going to be great. Wyatt is interesting. Good to see that Ryder and Hawkings as tag team champions wasn't hot potatoing the belt and that they still have it and keep winning. Miz VS Shane is a good feud. Kofi VS Owens is going to be great. Lacey vs Becky is shaping up to be interesting. Becky VS Bayley was good. Even Corbin is becoming entertaining.

The Revival skit was awful obviously but everything else was quite good. We mostly have the champs we've been asking for (Rollins, Kofi and for a lot of fans Becky) and the shows are quite enjoyable.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: BeardFaceMan on May 02, 2019, 09:41:22 AM
What's wrong with the presentation and set?

I'm enjoying both RAW and SD at the moment. Drew's promo against Corbin was good, he finally shows some character. Looking forward to see Ricochet in the MITB match. Rollins vs AJ is going to be great. Wyatt is interesting. Good to see that Ryder and Hawkings as tag team champions wasn't hot potatoing the belt and that they still have it and keep winning. Miz VS Shane is a good feud. Kofi VS Owens is going to be great. Lacey vs Becky is shaping up to be interesting. Becky VS Bayley was good. Even Corbin is becoming entertaining.

The Revival skit was awful obviously but everything else was quite good. We mostly have the champs we've been asking for (Rollins, Kofi and for a lot of fans Becky) and the shows are quite enjoyable.

Are you seriously saying that if RAW and Smackdown shows were of the quality they were this week every week, you'd be happy with the product and the company?
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Post by: Timothy on May 02, 2019, 09:57:39 AM
Are you seriously saying that if RAW and Smackdown shows were of the quality they were this week every week, you'd be happy with the product and the company?

You've said multiple times that you haven't watched for years. Has this changed?
If not, how can you know if it's good or not?
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: BeardFaceMan on May 02, 2019, 10:05:11 AM
You've said multiple times that you haven't watched for years. Has this changed?
If not, how can you know if it's good or not?

Nope, I skimmed through Wrestlemania this year but thats it as far as WWE goes. I read things on here, read recaps, dirt sheets etc, same as you and everyone else here. It's not that WWE isn't good anymore, its that they're the drizzling shits, I can't comprehend how someone who likes wrestling can look at that product and that company and still be a fan.

So would you seriously be happy with things in WWE if they stayed as they are? Most of the things you listed in your post were things you expect to happen, not things that are actually happening. Haven't you been burned enough times to know they fuck up virtually every interesting angle they have?
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: An Actual Propeller on May 02, 2019, 05:22:28 PM
I used to work with a guy whose favourite band was Mike and the Mechanics.  Every time they played here, he used to get front row tickets.  He fucking loved that band.  Thing is though, he was 25 years old, and this was 2011, so he was about ten years old when their last big hit 'Over My Shoulder' was out.

25 years old, and favourite band was Mike and the Mechanics.  In 2011.  I couldn't work it out.  Mike and the Mechanics?  I tried to think of a way to ask whether he actually heard of any other bands without sounding like a dick, because why would you think that band was the best one out of literally any other band?  But I couldn't, so I asked him:

Me: "Have you heard any other bands?"
Him: "No.  Not really."
Me: "You seriously haven't heard any other bands?"
Him: "No"
Me: "Do you not want to seek out any other music except Mike and the Mechanics?"
Him: "Not really, I grew up with them, they provide everything I need."

Ah yes, my point.  I suppose if you grew up with WWE, and still watch it to this day, it might provide you with everything you need.  Who needs your mind blown by all this other stuff?  WWE provides a safe option with Miz vs. Shane and shitloads of Baron Corbin every week.  If you're satisfied with that, fair enough.  Bit of a shame if you stick to Mike and the Mechanics all your life though isn't it?  I heard their last album was funded with Saudi money.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on May 02, 2019, 05:31:45 PM
And then you have the people who both listen to Mike and the Mechanics and listen to a shitload of other artists. Those people enjoy the Mechanics for other reasons then the other cds in their collection.

I'm looking as much forward to AJ vs Rollins, the NXT shows and the debut of new Wyatt as the NJPW shows or Omega vs Jericho and Cody vs Goldust at Double or Nothing or the debut of Jon Moxley for example. I enjoy the good parts and matches of most shows and skip the segments I dislike.

Its not as if its impossible to watch multiple shows.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: confettiinmyhair on May 02, 2019, 07:01:40 PM
Baron Corbin's hair loss killed his ability to get over.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Spode on May 04, 2019, 12:35:53 PM
Jericho Okada at Dominion. Whoosh.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on May 04, 2019, 04:28:01 PM
Roman tweeted that he's going to be on Raw on Monday, then WWE tweeted that he is not https://twitter.com/WWE/status/1124693192148959233

...wat?
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on May 04, 2019, 04:58:28 PM
Roman tweeted that he's going to be on Raw on Monday, then WWE tweeted that he is not https://twitter.com/WWE/status/1124693192148959233

...wat?

Roman vs The Authority storyline. Wack as fuck.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on May 07, 2019, 01:34:10 AM
Christ it is beyond woeful. They booking their top card talent in championships on Raw and its even worse that the dogshit we have seen in last few weeks. I know that have fuck loads of money coming but this actually feels like the beginning of the end. Its awful, awful turn-off tv.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on May 07, 2019, 01:38:46 AM
At least Daniel Bryan has been cleared though.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on May 07, 2019, 01:42:58 AM
Christ it is beyond woeful. They booking their top card talent in championships on Raw and its even worse that the dogshit we have seen in last few weeks. I know that have fuck loads of money coming but this actually feels like the beginning of the end. Its awful, awful turn-off tv.

Bryan Alvarez made an interesting point when he said that the past few months is the first time WWE has felt directionless. You may have hated the direction in the past, but at least they had one. Now things are being changed minute to minute.

At least Daniel Bryan has been cleared though.

He's so good. I hope he wins the WWE title back tonight.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on May 07, 2019, 01:57:05 AM
Bryan Alvarez made an interesting point when he said that the past few months is the first time WWE has felt directionless. You may have hated the direction in the past, but at least they had one. Now things are being changed minute to minute.

He's so good. I hope he wins the WWE title back tonight.

The only fun in watching it is to the come on here or Twitter and take the piss out of it. It's dying. Noone will stumble across a show and noone would recommend it to a friend to watch. We might hang on in there a bit longer as we are addicted to the car crash it has become but they are fucked. I genuinely think it.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on May 07, 2019, 01:58:22 AM
Oh just when I was about to go to sleep. Watch this. It is ace.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=41&v=vU8A-qTMNeI

Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Moribunderast on May 07, 2019, 04:25:23 AM
Was off work sick today so caught a bit of Raw in between naps. Turned it off 20 minutes in when Baron Corbin came out for the opening match. When I turned it back on the Usos had given arse-itching cream to The Revival, then Jose No Way came out for a match and I turned it off again. Surely this is the worst WWE has been since the mid-90s? It's abysmal. Actively desperate, embarrassing viewing. Vince was beyond awful and shouldn't be on-screen. I can only imagine how bad the full show was for people who didn't intermittently turn it off and go to sleep.

The ratings are going to be dire.

And the worst (and yet most darkly humorous) thing is that the biggest losers out of all this could be AEW. Meltzer has mentioned that TV execs are well-aware of this drop in viewership and are starting to see wrestling as ice cold. If AEW haven't already agreed to a deal, their leverage could be dying with each week Raw's number dwindles. That would be so like modern WWE, to somehow kill their competition before it starts through sheer incompetence on WWE's part.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on May 07, 2019, 09:35:16 AM
Surely this is the worst WWE has been since the mid-90s?

Haven't wrestling fans been saying this every year for almost a decade now? They're too far gone.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on May 07, 2019, 10:18:37 AM
There always have been idiotic stupid filler segments. Nothing new. And to be fair you cant judge a 3 hour show based on 20 minutes.

I quite like how MITB is shaping up. Lots of great matches.
But then again, I really enjoy Baron Corbins work recently so dont take my opinion too seriously.

Its a shame that the Saudi show is happening again and after MITB. Hope Vince doesnt get the stupid idea to have both mitb winners cash in during that show.

WWE England next week. Gonna be fun. Hope Wyatt finally returns. Live.
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Post by: sevendaughters on May 07, 2019, 10:54:49 AM
Timothy is like one of those TNA fans who would point out that actually this midcard match was fine and I had my fun and that's all that matters - while at the same time the other featured events stank or were heatless but passable, the women looked like idiots or weren't there, the show was full of interchangeable mid-carders that no one loves, the wrestlers were desperate to leave and were only there for a payday, they couldn't fill buildings on the road, critical consensus was deeply against them and their ratings were in the tank. There's nothing wrong with that, in a way I admire being able to enjoy on that level, and the surrounding discourse sometimes collapses in on the wrestling too easily (for instance: I like Inokiism-era NJPW and late AWA). But if you're looking for critique from the type of fan that is easily satisfied, or worse makes flaccid excuses for Vince literally making rules up as he goes along or weakly received skits like The Revival have ants in their pants, then you're barking up the wrong tree.

Like, watch this, if it stirs no criticism in you then you're just not watching on a certain level: https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/bll8do/in_case_you_ever_needed_visual_evidence_why_wwe/
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on May 07, 2019, 11:02:29 AM
Lars Sullivan sucks. It's the same camera angle with the same move on the same spot. Yeah that's bad. But saying that's visual evidence why WWE feels stale is a bit of a stretch imo.

And yes, the way they treat the Revival is disgusting. Not funny. Idiotic. The past few RAW's weren't that good. I'm not a fan that's easily satisfied. There are weeks where I skip RAW and SD and just watch the PPV's.

But at the same time I just enjoy how MITB is shaping up to be. I mean, look at the card:

1   Becky Lynch (c) vs. Lacey Evans   
2   Seth Rollins (c) vs. AJ Styles
3   Braun Strowman vs. Ricochet vs. Drew McIntyre vs. Baron Corbin vs. Ali vs. Finn Bálor vs. Andrade vs. Randy Orton   
4   Natalya vs. Dana Brooke vs. Naomi vs. Alexa Bliss vs. Bayley vs. Mandy Rose vs. Ember Moon vs. Carmella
5   Roman Reigns vs. Elias
6   Becky Lynch (c) vs. Charlotte Flair   
7   The Miz vs. Shane McMahon   
8   Kofi Kingston (c) vs. Kevin Owens
9   Samoa Joe (c) vs. Rey Mysterio

There's just one possible bad boring match on the card and that's Reigns vs Elias. Miz VS Shane in a cage is going to be fun. Joe vs Mysterio will be a good match. Becky has two matches on one card, which sucks (not a fan) but they will both be good matches. Kingston vs Owens, Rollins VS Styles and the MITB matches will be amazing.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: BeardFaceMan on May 07, 2019, 11:14:25 AM
You know, I think Vince just might be mental enough to make his TV shows tank on purpose in order to stop AEW getting a good TV deal, I can't see any other explanation for why WWE has become so awful.

Edit to add - Timothy, don't you feel its telling that when you talk about WWE, you mostly talk about matches you are looking forward to, not matches you've recently enjoyed?
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Post by: Timothy on May 07, 2019, 11:19:51 AM
Thats because the matches I enjoy the most are at PPVs.

That said Bryan vs Kofi was quite good last night.

I still dont really get why you keep talking and trashing WWE even though you havent watch a single WWE show in years. Makes no sense imo.
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Post by: sevendaughters on May 07, 2019, 11:22:50 AM
With the talent WWE have at their disposal there is no excuse for their PPVs not to be hot as hell. It is the best roster ever assembled in terms of wrestling talent. But I doubt I'll tune in for MITB. They sell it as a storytelling form - which is valid, a good story elevates a match that isn't necessarily 'great work' - but their storytelling is awful right now. Cringeworthy, even. I cannot invest because they cannot.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: BeardFaceMan on May 07, 2019, 11:28:52 AM
The only stories and characters that make the air are those filtered through the brain of an out of touch, 70 year old trailer trash billionaire. How are you going to make sense of that? RAW these days is essentially a Vince fever dream/onset of dementia made real.
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Post by: cliggg on May 07, 2019, 11:40:42 AM
A question on The Revival. They want to leave but WWE won't let them and instead are trying to embarrass  them with these segments the last few weeks because they won't sign a new deal. Why don't The Revival just refuse to do them? Vince gets offended at them saying no, they get fired, see out their 90 day no-compete clause, go work for AEW or whoever and get what they wanted?
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on May 07, 2019, 11:40:55 AM
The only stories and characters that make the air are those filtered through the brain of an out of touch, 70 year old trailer trash billionaire. How are you going to make sense of that? RAW these days is essentially a Vince fever dream/onset of dementia made real.

You havent watched RAW in years. You dont follow WWE anymore. How can you form an opinion about something you dont watch?

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With the talent WWE have at their disposal there is no excuse for their PPVs not to be hot as hell. It is the best roster ever assembled in terms of wrestling talent.

Agreed.
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Post by: BeardFaceMan on May 07, 2019, 11:47:05 AM
You havent watched RAW in years. You dont follow WWE anymore. How can you form an opinion about something you dont watch?

Hehe how many times are you going to trot that out as a defense? I see the odd random clip and I read the recaps, that's all I need to know its not worth bothering with on a regular basis. The last thing I saw was that god awful new Bray Wyatt gimmick. Which you probably think is interesting and look forward to seeing more of, without actually enjoying any of it.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on May 07, 2019, 11:58:30 AM
How do you know any of the wrestlers or characters when you only read the recaps?

And New Wyatt is awesome. Those Firefly Funhouse segments are great.
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Post by: sevendaughters on May 07, 2019, 12:03:18 PM
People who watch it week-in/week-out are saying the show sucks. It's a flimsy defence to say BFM don't watch, Tim, you know this. It's a genuine gripe shared by a lot of the long-suffering fans. Csonka on 411Wrestling gave yesterday a 2 out of 10 and he is a full-on WWE fan.

On the Wyatt stuff, it is interesting rather than awesome, but there is no match between the Adult Swim style of a vignette series done in isolation and how that translates in storyline, in matches, etc. Like Wyatt's last gimmick, it is a clearly signposted dead end.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on May 07, 2019, 12:07:53 PM
I just dont get how you dont watch a show for years, stop investing time in it, dont know any of the current characters but still take the time to keep saying it sucks. But thats just me I guess.

I predict Wyatt to be the hottest wrestler at Summerslam. This is great and is going to be great.

And yeah RAW has been quite bad since Mania. Doesnt disagree with that. That whole wild card they have no is the biggest sign the RAW writers have no clue what theyre doing.

Smackdown is still good though. And MITB is shaping up to be an amazing PPV.
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Post by: Delete Delete Delete on May 07, 2019, 12:17:29 PM
On Sunday I cancelled my WWE subsciption, On Monday WWE put out this edition is raw. I can no longer justify keeping the Network on the strength of NXT takeovers, knowing that these stars will eventually be called up and lost in a directionless show. Its really bad at the moment and Corban and Drew tagging is the pits.
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Post by: An Actual Propeller on May 07, 2019, 12:29:52 PM
A question on The Revival. They want to leave but WWE won't let them and instead are trying to embarrass  them with these segments the last few weeks because they won't sign a new deal. Why don't The Revival just refuse to do them? Vince gets offended at them saying no, they get fired, see out their 90 day no-compete clause, go work for AEW or whoever and get what they wanted?

The Revival won't refuse to do them, because they would get suspended, and have time added to their contracts.  They won't get fired, because they are useful to opposition.  Also, refusing to do segments sends out a message that they're unprofessional to other promoters.  They're genuinely best off doing these bullshit segments, and wait until their contacts expire.
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Post by: Huxleys Babkins on May 07, 2019, 12:38:51 PM
On Sunday I cancelled my WWE subsciption, On Monday WWE put out this edition is raw. I can no longer justify keeping the Network on the strength of NXT takeovers, knowing that these stars will eventually be called up and lost in a directionless show. Its really bad at the moment and Corban and Drew tagging is the pits.

Conversely, the Network is the only thing I'm sticking with as everything there is of consistently high quality (even the main brand PPVs are decent, just too long) plus the amount of classic content on there is ridiculous. It's the one thing they get right so I'm not punishing them (or myself) by cancelling that.

No way I'm watching Raw or Smackdown though.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: BeardFaceMan on May 07, 2019, 12:39:58 PM
I just dont get how you dont watch a show for years, stop investing time in it, dont know any of the current characters but still take the time to keep saying it sucks. But thats just me I guess.

Hehe you really do keep ignoring everything I say don't you? I watch clips, I watched Wrestlemania this year, I read the dirt sheets and recaps. I know who the characters and stories are, that's the exact reason why I don't watch.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on May 07, 2019, 01:36:42 PM
I would love to know what the viewing figures of RAW would be if they subtracted everyone who watched it just to talk shit about it on internet would be.

Timothy, that PPV line up looks gash.

As for the Revival, if you really stop and think about it it shows Vince to be even more out of touch than we thought. There isn’t even any logic to his logic. Is on-screen Vince a face or a heel? I get the impression that he thinks he is a good guy ”giving the fans what they want” but then those same fans know he is the one making such a mess of his own product AND is a moral vacuum AND a vindictive bully. It’s Mr McMahon in reverse.

Now take The Usos who, whilst never being A** top tier guys have always combined being decent in ring and decent on the mics to genuinely get themselves over. Likeable faces, believable heels. But what is this shit? If Vince thinks The Revival are the bad guys for wanting to leave so Vince is the good guy for pulling this shit on them but the fans believe the opposite then that makes The Usos, for the first time ever just Vince’s bitches. Bullying faces acting like dicks. It’s embarrasing.

What it also does is make The Revival utterly immune to losing any sheen as all it will take is one promo on leaving where they shit all over WWE for the shit they have had to put up and they are fucking heroes.

I too thought of conspiracy theory of Vince purposely trying to bomb his own ratings to affect AEW but surely not even he is that mental. As we saw with last round the agent (can’t remember his name) who both WWE and UFC used in negotiations with networks actually used the fact that there were multiple strong companies to inflate both their deals.

Speaking of which the XFL deal looks intriguing. Basically, the company is split with Vince liable for all costs outside of tv production with FOX and ESPN covering that ($400,000 a game) but taking all the revenue for TV ads. Vince has to pay salaries and expenses etc but gets to keep gate money and in-stadium ad revenue. Why this is so fascinating is that it pretty much means that Vince is relying on the things he is shit at doing with WWE (the house show business that barely scrapes even) to not make huge losses. Interesting times.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on May 07, 2019, 01:39:41 PM
Timothy, that PPV line up looks gash.

I disagree.

What would be a better MITB card in your opinion? And why do you think it looks bad?

Genuine question. All the champions are wrestlers people wanted to be champs for ages. Everybody's favorite Becky (at least a month ago) has two matches, one with Charlotte which promises to be a good match and one with an up and coming NXT debutee Lacey Evans. So a match with both an established and new talent.

Then we have favorite heel Kevin Owens vs favorite face Kofi in what promises to be a good match, WWE champ Rollins (Brock finally lost his title!) vs Styles (great), two good MITB matches, Rey Rey vs champ Samoa Joe and a steel cage match between batshit Shane and brilliant face Miz.

What's wrong with that? How is that a bad card?
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: sevendaughters on May 07, 2019, 01:40:29 PM
Vince has put aside enough money to cover 3 years of losses @ $10m per week. Ballsy and probably stupid.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: sevendaughters on May 07, 2019, 01:56:10 PM
Becky is hurting and I think both matches on the card at the same time suggest shenanigans rather than two good matches. I also think Becky is more character than worker, but I would at least expect the basic "work" of the Charlotte match to be ok unless they pull a fast one to delay it to Summerslam. Lacey Evans is not a good wrestler and I expect this one to flop.

Shane and Miz...they already did a smoke and mirrors garbage match. This is two non-wrestlers doing the same shit they've been doing for half a year. It is putrid.

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Post by: An Actual Propeller on May 07, 2019, 02:00:32 PM
If you listen to just Mike and the Mechanics, then you're going to look forward to the next album.  Say it loud (say it loud), say it clear (oh say it clear), you can listen as well as you hear, it's too late (it's too late) when we die (oh when we die), to admit we don't see eye to eye.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on May 07, 2019, 02:02:17 PM
If you listen to just Mike and the Mechanics, then you're going to look forward to the next album.

Sorry, but that whole Mike and the Mechanics comparison doesn't make any sense. Like I said before: You can like some of a band's songs or albums but that doesn't automatically mean you like everything else they do and/or release.

Trying to make it seem that I automatically like everything WWE does is just a cheap way to discuss imo because I made it very clear that I don't.

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Shane and Miz...they already did a smoke and mirrors garbage match. This is two non-wrestlers doing the same shit they've been doing for half a year. It is putrid.

Two non wrestlers?
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Post by: Timothy on May 07, 2019, 02:08:45 PM
By the way, is there a way to pre-order the Double or Nothing PPV? I've tried to find ways to do so but there's doesn't seem to be an option.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: An Actual Propeller on May 07, 2019, 02:15:27 PM
Trying to make it seem that I automatically like everything WWE does is just a cheap way to discuss imo because I made it very clear that I don't.

Not the point.  The point was that there's a wider, better world out there than Mike Mizanin and the Mechanics.

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By the way, is there a way to pre-order the Double or Nothing PPV? I've tried to find ways to do so but there's doesn't seem to be an option.

It'll be on the FITE TV app - use the invite code lpm0k28 to get $10 credit when you sign up if you fancy it.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on May 07, 2019, 02:19:00 PM
Not the point.  The point was that there's a wider, better world out there than Mike Mizanin and the Mechanics.

I'm not sure why you are trying to get that point across since everybody here already knows that and agrees. There are better wrestling shows out there then Raw and Smackdown. Raw and Smackdown have been quite bad shows lately. Doesn't mean we can't still enjoy the segments and matches that are good (like Kofi vs Bryan and the Wyatt segment on Raw yesterday).

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It'll be on the FITE TV app - use the invite code lpm0k28 to get $10 credit when you sign up if you fancy it.

Cheers! And will do. Really looking forward to that show.
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Post by: hummingofevil on May 07, 2019, 02:20:23 PM
Double or Nothing will be on Fite TV. If you have not used Fite TV before let me know and I (or someone else if you prefer - :) )can "invite" you which means that we both get some credits that can be used to buy other shows.

The WWE PPV looks garbage because I have lost all interest all faith in anything that they do and they have made even the most excellent in ring matches missable. Joe vs Rey could be great but why do I need to watch it again? Why should I care? They bring Rey back, he is in the form of his life and they beat him time and time and time again. Fine. Has it got anyone else over? No. Does it make me want to watch more Rey? No. It's pathetic.

Styles and Rollins is the least interesting top-tier combination going, Shane-Miz was quite fun the first time and the women's stuff is so over written it is... meh!

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Did anyone here ever watch Oz? The HBO prison thing that was a pre-curser to all these awesome long-form TV shows that we now have? It was fucking amazing. I watched every episode gripped at the combination of violence and threat and humour and dred and loved all the characters even the worst rapists and Nazis that were in there. It was glorious TV. Then at one episode in season 3 or 4 they gave started a storyline where they gave Riley (was it Riley - he was Irish) an experimental pill that would speed up the aging process and kill him quicker with the idea being he could then serve a shorter sentence. It was absolute garbage. Not only jumping the shark but stopping mid-flight to lay a lukewarm dog egg on its scaley fins. I turned it off mid-episode. I never went back. I never finished Oz. This is WWE right now.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on May 07, 2019, 02:22:00 PM
Not the point.  The point was that there's a wider, better world out there than Mike Mizanin and the Mechanics.

It'll be on the FITE TV app - use the invite code lpm0k28 to get $10 credit when you sign up if you fancy it.

Bastard! Beat me to it....
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on May 07, 2019, 02:23:48 PM
Rey vs Samoa Joe was suppose to be a longer, normal match at Mania but Rey was injured and I was disappointed by that. So I'm really looking forward to a proper Joe vs Mysterio match. Should be good.

How does Fite TV work? Just sign up, use the code, pay and then watch the show?

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WWE’s ongoing changes to the creative team continue with the recent release of long-time writer Ryan Callahan. A Fightful.com report suggests that this departure stems from issues Callahan had with fellow writer Dave Kapoor, who has previously managed the Great Khali on-screen as Ranjin Singh. Kapoor evidently felt Callahan took changes in creative direction too personally and found him difficult to work with. Callahan was officially fired on May 2nd.

This comes off the heels of moves such as Road Dogg stepping down as head writer for SmackDown, RD Evans abruptly quitting during the WWE Hall Of Fame ceremony, the short stay of Dave Schilling and the release of Kazeem Fumuyide.

Shit.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: An Actual Propeller on May 07, 2019, 02:36:01 PM
I'm not sure why you are trying to get that point across since everybody here already knows that and agrees. There are better wrestling shows out there then Raw and Smackdown. Raw and Smackdown have been quite bad shows lately. Doesn't mean we can't still enjoy the bits and matches that are good (like Kofi vs Bryan and the Wyatt segment on Raw).

Thing is though, every single week, Raw and Smackdown gets the majority of the comments, and the majority of those comments are ones slagging off the show.  It's the same Stockholm syndrome that football fans have when their shit football team gets beat every week.  There's better wrestling shows almost anywhere out there these days, I haven't a clue why you would want to sit through a crock of absolute shite just to see a decent Bryan/Kofi match.  It's depressing, the last Raw I watched was the Raw after Mania and it was boring as fuck, every time an NXT wrestler gets called up I think "well, that's me not watching them again" because it's all fucked, WWE is just a fucking stupid way of spending your free time and it could be all different if that old Vince cunt just dies from a steroid-included heart attack so he doesn't scat-splatter his fucking shows with his idiot offspring and this dumbshit ideas, this paragraph started off nice and turned angry because just thinking about WWE these days makes me angry.  Sorry.

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Cheers! And will do. Really looking forward to that show.

Thanks blud.  Might offset the Mania bet loses somewhat :)

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How does Fite TV work? Just sign up, use the code, pay and then watch the show?

Aye, basically that.  Dead easy, if you can use WWE Network, you can use Fite.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on May 07, 2019, 02:37:10 PM
If you use the code you get credit (which won't be enough to pay for the show but you can use it later). Then you just buy it as normal subscription with cash. It is a great service if a little expensive. I'm guessing for Double or Nothing it will be the only choice as they no longer aligned to ROH.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: An Actual Propeller on May 07, 2019, 02:43:21 PM
Also, it'll work out around $40 for the PPV alone.  Try and buy it from a laptop as opposed to a phone app or something, as on the app it's usually $40 = £40, rather than £30.67.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on May 07, 2019, 02:44:14 PM
WWE is just a fucking stupid way of spending your free time


There is still some amusement to be had from double screening RAW to enjoy people slagging it off on the internet. Even that has got boring now.

TBF the best bit of last night until I turned if off was watching those batshit adverts they have for diabetes treatment on US TV.

"Warning may cause: nausea, vomitting, fever, rash, fainting, high-blood pressure, low-blood pressure, KIDNEY FAILURE... etc. Not for use if you have Type 1 diabetes. I repeat DO NOT FUCKING TAKE IF YOU HAVE TYPE 1 DIABETES OR KEYTONOSIS and if you get diagnosed with keytonosis FOR THE LOVE OF FUCKING CHRIST STOP TAKING THIS SHIT. Available at all good drugstores. "

Went on for about 20 seconds in increasing severity.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on May 07, 2019, 02:44:56 PM
Also, it'll work out around $40 for the PPV alone.  Try and buy it from a laptop as opposed to a phone app or something, as on the app it's usually $40 = £40, rather than £30.67.

Also you need to buy it through the App (not the desktop version) to qualify for the credits.

Ah. Hold on. It cost more to buy through App but they give you credit? Sneaky cunts.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on May 07, 2019, 02:49:05 PM
WWE is just a fucking stupid way of spending your free time.

Depends what you watch and how you watch. I really enjoy NXT and most of the PPV's, and since I watch Raw and SD a day later I can skip every segment I dislike. Their documentaries, 24 and 365 series are great and Table of 3 is really entertaining. And I really enjoyed the shows that I attended live. Fun matches and always a great atmosphere.

That said I despise the fact that they don't release people that want to go, dislike the fact that RAW and Smackdown kill most NXT stars, hate the fact that they go to Saudi and hope AEW succeeds so that WWE finally has to step up and get better.

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Also, it'll work out around $40 for the PPV alone.  Try and buy it from a laptop as opposed to a phone app or something, as on the app it's usually $40 = £40, rather than £30.67.

Wait. So I can't use the credits on a laptop and when I use them on the app I still have to pay more?!
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on May 07, 2019, 02:58:46 PM
https://support.fite.tv/hc/en-us/articles/115003535214-How-do-credits-work-

Firstly, if you buy stuff on the Fite TV app (on your phone) it is the same log in and you can watch it on your laptop fine (and plug it into TV at HD). It is not linked to any individual device. You might have to log out of the account first.

Secondly, I am sure that you need to buy the stuff on the app to get the credits for the invite thing. It suggest that in the link above.

Thirdly, I am not sure about what AAP said about the price converstions. If you can pay in dollars on the desktop it is propably better to do that as its cash cheaper (though you would get $10 credit and AAP would also get some - it is either $5 or $10).


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I need to go out but I will look later.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: BeardFaceMan on May 07, 2019, 02:59:05 PM
I too thought of conspiracy theory of Vince purposely trying to bomb his own ratings to affect AEW but surely not even he is that mental...

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...Speaking of which the XFL ...

I'd never underestimate just how mental Vince is.

Sorry, but that whole Mike and the Mechanics comparison doesn't make any sense. Like I said before: You can like some of a band's songs or albums but that doesn't automatically mean you like everything else they do and/or release.

Trying to make it seem that I automatically like everything WWE does is just a cheap way to discuss imo because I made it very clear that I don't.

And you ignoring all my questions and points because I don't watch regularly isn't cheap?

I'm not sure why you are trying to get that point across since everybody here already knows that and agrees. There are better wrestling shows out there then Raw and Smackdown. Raw and Smackdown have been quite bad shows lately. Doesn't mean we can't still enjoy the segments and matches that are good (like Kofi vs Bryan and the Wyatt segment on Raw yesterday).

It should do, because by regularly tuning in and putting up with the dreck they produce, you are sending them the message that you are happy with the product so they make no effort to change. Why would they, they don't think they need to because as long as they put on one good match, regardless of whether the match makes sense in the angle, you'll still tune in. They've got you. All you talk about is the stuff you're looking forward to, never the stuff you're currently enjoying. WWE are great at creating interest, but they have a proven track record at being piss poor at following it up with an interesting and coherent angle. If the best you can say is that you enjoy cherry picking the tv to find a few matches you can enjoy in isolation with no build then it doesnt say much for the state of their booking.

Wrestling is weird like that isn't it? Does anyone watch sketch shows that they don't like just because there's one 4 minute sketch on during the half hour that they enjoy?
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on May 07, 2019, 03:05:00 PM
And you ignoring all my questions and points because I don't watch regularly isn't cheap?

I just don't get reading recaps, watching clips and generally following a tv show that you don't enjoy. When I dislike the direction a tv show is going or don't enjoy it anymore I just quit watching. I see no point in trying to convince others that still enjoy that tv show to stop watching.

Is it habit or because you still have the hope that it will get better?

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It should do, because by regularly tuning in and putting up with the dreck they produce, you are sending them the message that you are happy with the product so they make no effort to change.

I can't tune in. They don't air WWE on television here. I watch I through watchwrestling. I'm not a part of their ratings. Doesn't matter if I watch or not, I'm not sending them any message.

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All you talk about is the stuff you're looking forward to, never the stuff you're currently enjoying.

I enjoy the Rollins and Styles segments and am therefore looking forward to their match. Same to Kofi, Owens and Bryan's matches and segments. I really enjoy the Wyatt segments and heel Sami Zayn. I find Baron Corbin's promo's entertaining even though he is really dull in the ring. I'm a fan of Black and Richochet and enjoy their matches. All things I've said over and over again.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on May 07, 2019, 03:05:45 PM
Wrestling is weird like that isn't it? Does anyone watch sketch shows that they don't like just because there's one 4 minute sketch on during the half hour that they enjoy?

I think you have just described pretty much all of BBC's comedy output in the years 2000-2010. :)

I do think in the age of subscription services people are willing to sit through of our dull shit they don't even like. My girlfriend has a very busy work life but will still find time to sit and watch 4 series of some woeful US drama on Netflix and then tell me it was "fine". Christ knows how much time I spend on here or Twitter or just listening to WON. Hours every day. Stick on RAW, play on your phone. What I don't get is how the advertisers are not onto this. Name me one product apart that is advertised on RAW you saw last time you watched either on the show or on adverts? No idea apart from that mental diabetes drug.

That has to be the model WWE are working on. Rinse their existing fans for everything they have. Someone was on Twitter saying a floor ticket for MITB was $800 or something. Fuck me. How did you pay for next week Timothy? £70 for a house show £30 for a MITB kids plastic lunch box. Its a racket.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: An Actual Propeller on May 07, 2019, 03:07:13 PM
"Warning may cause: nausea, vomitting, fever, rash, fainting, high-blood pressure, low-blood pressure, KIDNEY FAILURE... etc. Not for use if you have Type 1 diabetes. I repeat DO NOT FUCKING TAKE IF YOU HAVE TYPE 1 DIABETES OR KEYTONOSIS and if you get diagnosed with keytonosis FOR THE LOVE OF FUCKING CHRIST STOP TAKING THIS SHIT. Available at all good drugstores. "

Went on for about 20 seconds in increasing severity.

The only time I went to America I was absolutely flabbergasted at these adverts.

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Also you need to buy it through the App (not the desktop version) to qualify for the credits.

Ah. Hold on. It cost more to buy through App but they give you credit? Sneaky cunts.

Yep, this is a "feature" for us non-US viewers.  Timothy - you might want to fuck off using my code and just buying it the night before, on a laptop, and it'll be cheaper if you don't intend on using Fite again (although it's worth sticking with it as there's a ton of great wrestling on it - I absolutely smashed it during Mania week).

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Depends what you watch and how you watch. I really enjoy NXT and most of the PPV's, and since I watch Raw and SD a day later I can skip every segment I dislike. Their documentaries, 24 and 365 series are great and Table of 3 is really entertaining. And I really enjoyed the shows that I attended live. Fun matches and always a great atmosphere.

Well, yeah, I was obviously talking about Raw and Smackdown there.  Not sure how you can skip segments you dislike without getting the heads up first that they're dogshit though - do you think after a short while "this'll be shite" and fast forward to the next segment?

NXT is still excellent, the documentaries can be fun, the live shows are expensive and don't matter in the grand scheme of things but they're usually fun if there's not a chanting arsehole next to you, WWE Network has a ton of stuff on it.  But current wrestling is still better outside of WWE and other organisations don't take Saudi money*

* except Sinclair?  Fuck ROH too, incidentally.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on May 07, 2019, 03:09:49 PM
How did you pay for next week Timothy? £70 for a house show. Its a racket.

Houseshows here are three hours long and second hand tickets are around 20 - 40 euros. Not that much. My tickets for the UK shows next week are 30.50 for good seats.

Thanks for all the advice re: the Fite app. Ironically, with me defending the things I enjoy about WWE here, Double or Nothing is the show I'm looking forward to the most.

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Well, yeah, I was obviously talking about Raw and Smackdown there.  Not sure how you can skip segments you dislike without getting the heads up first that they're dogshit though - do you think after a short while "this'll be shite" and fast forward to the next segment?

Quite easy. Look, Baron Corbin is in the ring for a match. Fast forward. Look, Becky is going to do another promo. Fast forward. Etc. Sometimes I wait and see what happens but most often then not the gut feeling if something is going to be good or not is always correct (the opposite to my PPV predictions haha)

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XT is still excellent, the documentaries can be fun, the live shows are expensive and don't matter in the grand scheme of things but they're usually fun if there's not a chanting arsehole next to you, WWE Network has a ton of stuff on it.

Exactly.

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But current wrestling is still better outside of WWE

True.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: An Actual Propeller on May 07, 2019, 03:14:29 PM
Look, Baron Corbin is in the ring for a match. Fast forward.

I'll clink glasses to that, brother.

EDIT: what about occasions where something looks promising but has a shitty payoff?  Revival in the segment, oh cool, this'll be good.  Oh wait, they're dragging their arses across the ring because of an angle about scalding arse cream.  It's too many instances of WWE dangling the carrot that's one of the reasons that makes me not bother.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: BeardFaceMan on May 07, 2019, 03:14:53 PM
I just don't get reading recaps, watching clips and generally following a tv show that you don't enjoy. When I dislike the direction a tv show is going or don't enjoy it anymore I just quit watching. I see no point in trying to convince others that still enjoy that tv show to stop watching.

Is it habit or because you still have the hope that it will get better?

Both. WWE didn't get me into wrestling, World Of Sport did, I was a fan before WWE came along so that helped when it came to stopping watching finally, my loyalty was stretched to breaking point before most people because although I watched some WWF as a kid, it wasn't Vince that got me into wrestling. But I did watch WWE for a long time, I have an interest in the company, I find the backstage shenanigans more interesting than what they put on TV and WWE are kings of backstage shenanigans, I'm interested in their position in wrestling as a whole, most decent wrestlers come into contact with them at some point in their careers (something that thankfully seems to be changing) so that's why I don't ignore WWE completely. I'm not a WWE fan (at the moment), I'm a wrestling fan, so that includes reading about WWE and occasionally watching clips or matches now and again in the hope it gets better because with their production values and in-ring talent, when they get it right it can be pretty damn spectacular. But I check in with them less and less these days because theres less and less evidence they're interested or even capable of making their product and company better. It's the backstage 'talent' that's fucking everything up.

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I'm not a part of their ratings.

You go their live shows (and buy merch?), you're giving them your money. Or do you turn up to the live show late, not pay to get in, watch the one match on the card that looks interesting and then leave?
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on May 07, 2019, 03:21:01 PM
Both. WWE didn't get me into wrestling, World Of Sport did, I was a fan before WWE came along so that helped when it came to stopping watching finally, my loyalty was stretched to breaking point before most people because although I watched some WWF as a kid, it wasn't Vince that got me into wrestling. But I did watch WWE for a long time, I have an interest in the company, I find the backstage shenanigans more interesting than what they put on TV and WWE are kings of backstage shenanigans, I'm interested in their position in wrestling as a whole, most decent wrestlers come into contact with them at some point in their careers (something that thankfully seems to be changing) so that's why I don't ignore WWE completely. I'm not a WWE fan (at the moment), I'm a wrestling fan, so that includes reading about WWE and occasionally watching clips or matches now and again in the hope it gets better because with their production values and in-ring talent, when they get it right it can be pretty damn spectacular. But I check in with them less and less these days because theres less and less evidence they're interested or even capable of making their product and company better. It's the backstage 'talent' that's fucking everything up.

Ah, makes sense. I can understand that. Your comments make more sense now.

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You go their live shows (and buy merch?), you're giving them your money.

The tickets for the liveshows and here and there a monthly Network subscription are indeed the only times I send them a message by paying for stuff they produce.

Looking forward to the shows next week (even if they're dire) just to experience a tv taping and see the way they produce and tape their shows.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: An Actual Propeller on May 07, 2019, 03:22:53 PM
Which country do you live Timothy?  Is there much local wrestling action going on?  I should probably consider myself lucky in Newcastle where there's a couple of shows a month, even if many of them are local, social club-type shows.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on May 07, 2019, 03:27:04 PM
Holland.

There's not much local wrestling unfortunately. There are two Dutch wrestling shows that produces a show once a month but I never managed to visit because it's quite far away.
Edit: Not once a month. Looked on their website. Twice or three times a year.

I went to two WWE live shows in Belgium. A RAW houseshow (with Punk vs Jericho being the main event, which was awesome) and an NXT show which was ruined by the crowd. Tickets for NXT were 15 euros. RAW around 40 but we managed to get them second hand for 20.

Oh. And I just found out that WWE wasn't here for the last time in 2009. They were here in 2011, then in 2016, then last year and they will be here this year with a house show. Haven't visited them and didn't even know that. They don't seem to really advertise those shows here.

Most of my friends don't watch wrestling. I know two other people who watch. It doesn't really live here.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on May 07, 2019, 03:30:38 PM
A things outside of WWE list:

- MLW - proper wrestling, Cornette on commentary. A bit average in the ring.
- Impact - Great stuff but no-one seems to care. Which is a shame. Women's division is ace.
- ROH - Agreed that best to ignore due to Sinclair's involvement and their bit of MSG was shite but the NWA/ROH Crockett Cup looked cracking for some old school vibes.
- ICW/Defiant/Progress - No idea. Lost interest ages ago. Not interested in mid-range UK indies as a rule but live shows can be fun. Would rather not give money to anyone with WWE deal.
- Local super-indie promotions: GIVE IT TO ME BABY. That my thing. No more than a tenner in and £2.50 a pint at the bar and I'm yours for the night.
- AEW. I'll buy the PPV and live in hope but have my concerns it just won't be a big enough deal.
- independentwrestling.tv Good stuff for $10 a month. If you watched any of the GCW stuff in Mania week then it mainly the same people (all based around New England I think). Beyond Wrestling is every Wednesday and is fun show with small, keen crowd set in what looks like a pub.
- NJPW- Just get a subscription. If anything I am losing interest as there is TOO MUCH amazing stuff on there with the "road to" series and I can't watch it all but just looking this morning at the BOSJ groupings and the possible combinations of ridiculously great matches is off the charts.
- AJPW - Not got round to it bar following the results and GIFs but hearing excellent things about it at the moment.
- DDT - The subscription service is a fucking nightmare to navigate but it is great fun. Made me start learning Japanese because it's not in English and suspect it is genuinely hilarious if you can pick it up.
- Tokyo Joshi Pro Wrestling - DDT women's division included in DDT subscription. Wrestling not always the best but they have Maki Itoh who is the best character in all wrestling at the moment and Miyu Yamashita as the ACE who is awesome in ring. Yuka Sakazaki and her Aladdin gimmick is down to wrestling Double Or Nothing.
- Big Japan and Dragon's Gate: Haven't seen much of either. I think Big Japan leans towards Death Match style and Dragon's Gate is more in ring excellence. PAC is in Dragon's Gate. That pretty much sums up what to expect.
- Stardom - I'm a bit overwhelmed with this at the moment as it is Golden Week and they doing a theme where everyone dresses up as each other and I am confused as fuck. Toni Storm dressed as Minoru Suzuki is awesome. I am going to watch BOSJ and wait for a lull in NJPW and then just binge watch Stardom for a month. Which leads me onto.
- Eve. I really want to get into this as it looks great. The Kris Wolf retirement show a week ago looked amazing. Haven't got time at the moment but again am going to find a quiet month and just blast its back catalogue.
- Other Joshi: Ice Ribbon / SEAdLinnng/ Wave / Oz. All have different styles and haven't quite got my head around what is what but random ace matches keep appearing on Twitter. Don't think they have streaming services (DVD sales - someone posted a snide link to a Twitter feed on here with their shows on on - bad, bad man - go watch).
- Sendai Girls. As above but with the awesome Sareee and Meiko Satomura. If you like that match I posted then they coming to Manchester in June. I am tempted to go.

Have I missed anything? There are the European promotions from Dublin, Madrid, Germany and France that stick up decent stuff on youtube often for free.

Edit: Yes. I missed all of Mexican Wrestling. I know very little about it outside of the CMLL tie in with NJPW but AAA will be working with AEW and I think it they have a Twitch channel that shows stuff if you into that stuff.

Then there is this. The best match filmed in what looks like a housing project in front of an audience of 20 kids that you will ever see:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=31&v=NIc89sma4fI
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on May 07, 2019, 03:37:48 PM
Holland.
There's not much local wrestling unfortunately. 

This one is promising bodyslams, suplexes and high-flying action.

(https://www.dutchprowrestling.com/images/Shows/Shows_2019/DPW_Battefront_2019/DPW_BF_2019_-_small.jpg)
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on May 07, 2019, 03:40:30 PM
This one is promising bodyslams, suplexes and high-flying action.

(https://www.dutchprowrestling.com/images/Shows/Shows_2019/DPW_Battefront_2019/DPW_BF_2019_-_small.jpg)

You have Dutch Pro Wrestling and Pro Wrestling Holland here. They both have around two to three shows a year. Quite far away unfortunately (and one of them is quite difficult to reach with public transport) but we're probably going to visit PWH's show in a few months.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on May 07, 2019, 03:42:42 PM
I reckon you need to start your own promotion. TCW. Do it. Newcastle has a busy indie scene and get them all over on the ferry. Put Jericho's cruise to shame. :)
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on May 07, 2019, 03:44:55 PM
I reckon you need to start your own promotion. TCW. Do it. Newcastle has a busy indie scene and get them all over on the ferry. Put Jericho's cruise to shame. :)

Ha. Not a good idea.

I wish there was more local wrestling here. Must be great to live in the UK, with the great local wrestling scene and NJPW, ROH, NXT and WWE having yearly shows there.

I have to say, even though most of you never agree with my views or opinions, I really enjoy talking wrestling here. This topic and the community is great.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: sevendaughters on May 07, 2019, 03:45:42 PM
All Japan's top card right now is as good as New Japan's. They have really got a particular aesthetic - legitimate heavyweights who will hit you hard. Between Zeus, The Bodyguard, Shuji Ishikawa, Joe Doering, Dylan James, Okabayashi, Sekimoto, Nomura, and Jake Lee they have real potential to grow. Kento Miyahara is a super champ and he is getting the Okada treatment and the company is coming up with him.

There were nearly as many good to great matches in the recent Champion Carnival as there usually are in a G1 Climax. Maybe not at the very top end, but in terms of believable and solid heavyweight wrestling. Big Japan were for a while the go to for good heavyweights (only half their show is deathmatches, the rest is good!) but All Japan use their guys better now.

Also Dragon Gate were depleted by a mass departure. Their shows are kind of like Cirque du Soleil more than wrestling, such is their split-second perfection of multi-man moves.

You missed out Mexico in your round-up.
- CMLL is the ancient seat of the Mexican style and you will never be found wanting for a raft of great flyers and funny antics, while the top card generally seems to have some majesty about it.
- AAA is hot trash a lot of the time though they always have like 6/7 studs no matter what ie. Penta. 
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on May 07, 2019, 03:46:08 PM
Right I am going now. Nice to chat. Laters.

Edit: Cheers sevendaughters. I will continue to follow and put it on my "i'll just get a month" list. :)
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: An Actual Propeller on May 07, 2019, 03:52:30 PM
CMLL's show is on YouTube every week.  I'd watch that and get a AJPW subscription, but I don't even have the time to watch all new NJPWWorld these days.  So much out there, christ.  I'm looking forward to retirement so I can catch up.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Huxleys Babkins on May 07, 2019, 04:12:50 PM
This one is promising bodyslams, suplexes and high-flying action.

(https://www.dutchprowrestling.com/images/Shows/Shows_2019/DPW_Battefront_2019/DPW_BF_2019_-_small.jpg)

Plus you get to see Shaved X-Pac, Some Mortal Kombat-Looking Hoodie Prick, Ricochet and New Jack's Son and Bubba Ray Strowman.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on May 07, 2019, 04:29:53 PM
Conversely, the Network is the only thing I'm sticking with as everything there is of consistently high quality (even the main brand PPVs are decent, just too long) plus the amount of classic content on there is ridiculous. It's the one thing they get right so I'm not punishing them (or myself) by cancelling that.

Aye. This is me too.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: sevendaughters on May 07, 2019, 04:48:59 PM
I am just watching big New Japan shows, big All Japan shows, and some random stuff here and there. I will have to give G1 a miss this year too. I have a blog about old shoot-style wrestling and watch an old UWF or RINGS every week.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: An Actual Propeller on May 07, 2019, 05:09:19 PM
I have a blog about old shoot-style wrestling and watch an old UWF or RINGS every week.

Did you see the Bloodsport PPV over Mania weekend?  Such a fun show.  Suzuki/Barnett was crazy good.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: sevendaughters on May 07, 2019, 05:15:37 PM
Did you see the Bloodsport PPV over Mania weekend?  Such a fun show.  Suzuki/Barnett was crazy good.

Yeah it was fun. Not quite 'shoot-style' but a strange midpoint between that and pro-style that I approve of all the same. I really liked the Frank Mir match in its brevity. Last year's with Matt Riddle was great too.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: petrilTanaka on May 07, 2019, 07:28:10 PM
thing I noticed on that NXT last week: someone's gotten Mauro Ranallo into Viz (https://streamable.com/cx3qa)(I wish):

Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on May 08, 2019, 08:34:33 AM
Smackdown was fun.

But that wildcard rule is stupid and very confusing. Uso's competing for the SD titles. Four RAW superstars allowed but more show up. Lazy bad confusing writing.

D Bry and Rowan new tag champs.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on May 08, 2019, 01:10:41 PM
Matt Hardy's acting when he saw Lars Sullivan last night was hilariously atrocious

https://youtu.be/TpkjEOB4tgE?t=65
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on May 08, 2019, 03:30:15 PM
Very interesting news. Double of Nothing is going to be broadcast in UK on ITV PPV. The first hour will be on ITV4 which means that although it is at midnight on a Saturday night we getting AEW on free to air TV. It could lead to nothing but if ITV is sniffing around this (also remember the Khan's have London base through Fulham and will have contacts in ITV sport) the model of an weekly AEW show on ITV plus regular traditional PPVs on ITV PPV could be massive news.

WOS got 1 million views then dropped right off year? If they repeated that in UK then that would be a bit mental. Raw currently gets something like 50,000 viewers in UK.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: An Actual Propeller on May 08, 2019, 03:31:56 PM
Fuck what I said about AEW All or Nothing on Fite TV - it's going to be on ITV Box Office (https://twitter.com/AEWrestling/status/1126129332529844224) for £15.

(Unless you're Timothy, in which case Fite TV is still your best option).

(Edit to add how much it'll cost.)
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on May 08, 2019, 03:33:11 PM
Fuck what I said about AEW All or Nothing on Fite TV - it's going to be on ITV Box Office (https://twitter.com/AEWrestling/status/1126129332529844224).

(Unless you're Timothy, in which case Fite TV is still your best option).

Beat you to it on this one. :)
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: An Actual Propeller on May 08, 2019, 03:34:43 PM
Beat you to it on this one. :)

Needs a third fall for the decider.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on May 08, 2019, 03:37:52 PM
Can you watch ITV outside the UK?
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on May 08, 2019, 03:40:21 PM
Can you watch ITV outside the UK?

This will be for UK. I am almost certain it will be on Fite for you.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on May 08, 2019, 03:44:55 PM
Shit thats a price difference
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: An Actual Propeller on May 08, 2019, 03:47:20 PM
If you have a PS4, I suppose if you've got the knowhow you can set your country code to UK or something and watch ITV Box Office via that, but I don't even know whether that'll work.  Fite TV would still be easiest for Europe (unless a Netherlands station shows it).
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: BRen on May 08, 2019, 03:49:40 PM
I didn't even know ITV had a box office until I read about this, but £15 is pretty decent and it's good that it's going to be on an accessible channel over here, rather than having to stream it through Fite or whatever. If they do get the weekly show onto ITV long term then this could be good for them going forward. Anyone reckon ol'Moxley will turn up to Double or Nothing?
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: An Actual Propeller on May 08, 2019, 03:51:38 PM
My guess: Jon Moxley will turn up on the first episode of AEW's TV show because they need a "Lex Luger moment".
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on May 08, 2019, 03:58:02 PM
I also didn't know ITV had a box office service, but yeah, £15 is a decent price, and saves messing about with FiteTV (sorry, Timothy).

Somewhat related:

Quote
WOS Wrestling, the UK’s leading wrestling organization, has secured a landmark deal with US broadcaster Stadium, who will air 10 x 60’ episodes weekly from Sunday 12th May at 7pm EST plus repeats
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: gmoney on May 09, 2019, 10:16:20 AM
That WOS deal is for the first series apparently, so good on them for actually managing to flog that to someone.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Moribunderast on May 09, 2019, 12:45:47 PM
Seems wrestling twitter is just remembering Lars Sullivan is a big ol’ racist. Big E and Kalisto ain’t fans.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on May 09, 2019, 11:37:28 PM
Seems wrestling twitter is just remembering Lars Sullivan is a big ol’ racist. Big E and Kalisto ain’t fans.

Someone on Reddit found another account Lars used on that bodybuilding forum where he'd posted even more directly racist and homophobic stuff. That's why it's all come back up again over the past week.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: sevendaughters on May 10, 2019, 11:21:16 AM
NJPW BOSJ

OUT>>>>FLIP GORDON (visa) & EL DESPERADO (broken jaw)
IN>>>>REN NARITA (young lion) & DOUKI (random indy guy trained by Taichi)
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: An Actual Propeller on May 11, 2019, 10:10:27 AM
NJPW BOSJ

OUT>>>>FLIP GORDON (visa) & EL DESPERADO (broken jaw)
IN>>>>REN NARITA (young lion) & DOUKI (random indy guy trained by Taichi)

For a tired minute I thought that said El Phantasmo, and I thought poor dude, after all this build up?

Not a massive loss, those replacements. I’ll assume Flip Gordon didn’t sort out his Visa because the Earth was flat enough for him not to get one, or something.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: amateur on May 11, 2019, 07:38:29 PM
Fuck what I said about AEW All or Nothing on Fite TV - it's going to be on ITV Box Office (https://twitter.com/AEWrestling/status/1126129332529844224) for £15.


I'm going to cancel my Network subscription for at least a month so I can spend the money on this. A little competition and/or Vince leaving for the XFL could be what they need to turn the ship round.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Z on May 12, 2019, 12:39:26 PM
I watched an OSW review video a few days ago and YouTube is gone crazy in the same way it goes whenever I stumble onto something Jordan Peterson related. Every other video on my sidebar is an OSW one.


Do they even do old school reviews anymore? I kinda went off them in a big way when I saw their patreon was monthly but their core content was at best quarterly (unless you give a shite about their reviews of films or w/e)
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: sevendaughters on May 12, 2019, 12:55:44 PM
RIP Silver King. In ring is no way to go.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on May 12, 2019, 01:45:52 PM
Not sure if it's allowed here or not. If not delete this comment.

We have two tickets for RAW and Smackdown, tomorrow and Tuesday, on sale.
Will make a Twicket link for both of them. Will sell them for face value, or for a CookdandBombd member for less then that.

We can't travel from Europe to the UK. Our dog suddenly fell ill this weekend and we don't want to leave.

PM if you are interested.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: magval on May 12, 2019, 02:17:27 PM
Really hope your dog feels better Tim.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Enzo on May 12, 2019, 04:59:00 PM
RIP Silver King. In ring is no way to go.

I'm shocked that there was no medical team at the event.

The OTT events in dublin would have St John's Ambulance there at least.

That ref looked completely out of his depth as well.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on May 13, 2019, 02:36:08 AM
I've just watched my first ever NBA playoff game in full and if that is what WWE is against they are utterly fucked. It was utterly brilliant. Real sports >> fake sports every time. My god. I have just jumped around my kitchen with joy and I literally know nothing about this sport.

My argument for loving the grappes was that you can guarantee drama where sport is a roulette. Not on this evidence. Wow.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: sevendaughters on May 13, 2019, 11:26:35 AM
Both have immense capacity for drama and are both, at a commercial level, about making and marketing stars. Wrestling should have the advantage in that those stars needn't be held back by other people within the drama (other competitive athletes) and was historically so much better at sports as a spectacle.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on May 13, 2019, 01:05:50 PM
Good news! The dog feels much better (wasnt as it looked and the medication works, vet told us not to worry, that we could go on holiday and that everything is gonna be fine) so he is staying and mostly sleeping at my parents in law for two nights and we just landed in London. Knackered but were here.

Looking forward to RAW and SD. Especially SD. Matches confirmed are Corbin (boo) vs Richochet, Drew vs Braun (nice) and a Miz TV segment with Reigns and Kofi on the KO show on SD with a fatal four way between Ali, Orton, Finn and Almas. Cant wait to see the production side and how it all works with the taping. We were here last year but was ill so couldnt enjoy it properly.

Hope the shows are better then last week!
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on May 13, 2019, 01:31:45 PM
Good news! The dog feels much better (wasnt as it looked and the medication works, vet told us not to worry, that we could go on holiday and that everything is gonna be fine) so he is staying and mostly sleeping at my parents in law for two nights and we just landed in London. Knackered but were here.

Looking forward to RAW and SD. Especially SD. Matches confirmed are Corbin (boo) vs Richochet, Drew vs Braun (nice) and a Miz TV segment with Reigns and Kofi on the KO show on SD with a fatal four way between Ali, Orton, Finn and Almas. Cant wait to see the production side and how it all works with the taping. We were here last year but was ill so couldnt enjoy it properly.

Hope the shows are better then last week!

Have fun Timothy. The WWE house shows I have been to have ranged from fun to awesome. You will have a great time.

(Reads back - oh you going to RAW - shite mate, it will all be shite - nah should be fun, enjoy).

Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: An Actual Propeller on May 13, 2019, 01:50:27 PM
Good stuff Timothy, glad the dog's on the mend.  Report back on anything weird!
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: sevendaughters on May 13, 2019, 02:55:56 PM
just watched Shingo Takagi v SHO, it was great.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: An Actual Propeller on May 13, 2019, 09:10:04 PM
just watched Shingo Takagi v SHO, it was great.

Yer not wrong! Career making performance by Sho, Shingo was incredible in this, this is one of the best matches of the year. Surprised nobody put a shoulder out of joint with those clotheslines!
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: peanutbutter on May 13, 2019, 09:12:00 PM
Taker vs Goldberg in Saudi Arabia

Have to say, part of me really hopes the Saudis can pull Shawn Michaels out again for a singles match, just to totally shit on his "I the one guy who stayed retired" claims.


Who's the oldest guy they're gonna bring back? Sting is surely gonna be at one of these events, right?
Could Flair still be cleared? Be a nice addition to his North Korea performance.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on May 13, 2019, 11:18:46 PM
just watched Shingo Takagi v SHO, it was great.

I'm taking a break from NJPW as all my subscriptions were adding up and I wasn't watching enough so only buying 1 per month. Feel like I'm missing out. Will binge watch all in future.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on May 14, 2019, 12:15:12 AM
Back from RAW. Lots of fun. Had a really good time.

Spoilers:

Liked:
Miz TV
Mysterio vs Cesaro. Fun match. Popped for Rey didnt expect him since he wasnt traveling with the house shows.
Shane live. Always been a big fan. Didnt expect him in UK
Firefly funhouse
Sami vs Braun fighting next to me and their match in general
Becky's promo
Dark matches Aj vs Drew and Seth vs Corbin
Revival Main Event match against Lucha Party
Nikki Cross RAW debut. Antics even after cameras stopped
Richochet
Serious Revival promo

Disliked
Too
Much
Baron
Corbin
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on May 14, 2019, 12:39:46 AM

Sami vs Braun fighting next to me and their match in general


You going to be on the TV?
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on May 14, 2019, 07:35:04 AM
Its possible.

Forgot to say how incredible the atmosphere was last night. Boos and cheers, singing and laughter, chanting.
Place was booing so loud you couldnt hear Evans speaking. Huge pop for Becky and Seth. Boring Corbin songs.

This was a good RAW and being there live was awesome. Cant wait for SD tonight.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: sevendaughters on May 14, 2019, 10:26:46 AM
just saw Mark Haskins on the street, reckon I could take him.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on May 14, 2019, 11:02:22 AM
Slipknot Bray Wyatt was a development I wasn't expecting.

Looking forward to seeing the Bret Hart vs. Tom McGee thing on the Network. I wonder how McGee feels about Bret calling him shite in his book.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: gmoney on May 14, 2019, 11:10:31 AM
If he's got any self awareness, he'll have nodded in agreement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4zYfaTBLk0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4zYfaTBLk0)
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on May 14, 2019, 11:32:47 AM
If he's got any self awareness, he'll have nodded in agreement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4zYfaTBLk0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4zYfaTBLk0)

Those strikes make Shane O'Mac look like Jerry Lawler.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: sevendaughters on May 14, 2019, 03:59:10 PM
I don't know why exactly but I always get a kick out of videos where a wrestler goes into business for themselves
https://twitter.com/MattKoonTE/status/1127945674425761794
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: cliggg on May 14, 2019, 05:22:50 PM
A puff piece on WWE in Variety. It's more about their finances which are staggering really but I thought it was an interesting piece nonetheless.

https://variety.com/2019/tv/features/wwe-vince-mcmahon-interview-smackdown-raw-1203213046/ (https://variety.com/2019/tv/features/wwe-vince-mcmahon-interview-smackdown-raw-1203213046/)

It also has this picture of 2 Vince poses both of which make me chuckle.

(https://pmcvariety.files.wordpress.com/2019/05/vince-mcmahon-wwe-variety-cover-story.jpg)
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on May 14, 2019, 09:12:52 PM
WWE has fined Lars Sullivan $100,000 for his all those bigoted forum posts he used to make. What a bizarre punishment and a gut-punching amount for someone at his level. But he will also be required to attend sensitivity training, which seems more appropriate.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Mobius on May 14, 2019, 10:01:13 PM
Didn't he post all that stuff before joining WWE? Seems unfair to fine him for that even if he is an idiot. I'm pretty sure his posts were discovered like a year ago too, but I suppose they've gotten more attention with his main roster push / panic attack before debuting.

In other news Asuka and Kairi now have a tag team name. The Kabuki Warriors

Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on May 14, 2019, 11:34:13 PM
Smackdown sucked. Fatal fourway was good but that was it. Nothing more then a two hour long videofilled commercial for MITB. KO show segment was horrible. Weird Asuka Kairi tag match. Long boring match with Roman and Elias etc. Wildcard rule ruined the show. Boring out of place Charlotte segment.  Too many videos and on titantron promos. Atmosphere was amazing when we walked in and gone after the fatal 4 way.

We bought average seats for 30 pounds and got upgraded because they havent sold enough tickets which was nice.

Raw was great but this was the most bpring wrestling show I ever watched live
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on May 15, 2019, 01:55:50 AM
Didn't he post all that stuff before joining WWE? Seems unfair to fine him for that even if he is an idiot. I'm pretty sure his posts were discovered like a year ago too, but I suppose they've gotten more attention with his main roster push / panic attack before debuting.

Some of it is from his time at the Performance Center apparently. So he'd be a WWE employee there. Really it's just to protect their image without actually firing a guy they seem to have plans for.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Swoz_MK on May 15, 2019, 01:05:01 PM
AEW weekly show picked up by TNT, starts later in the year.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on May 15, 2019, 01:08:04 PM
Some of it is from his time at the Performance Center apparently. So he'd be a WWE employee there.

There hasn't been proof of that. There were some posts from 2013 but he signed with them near the end of that year.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Utter Shit on May 15, 2019, 01:26:05 PM

In other news Asuka and Kairi now have a tag team name. The Kabuki Warriors


When it comes to foreign wrestlers Vince literally just goes with the first thing he thinks of that relates to that country, doesn't he. They could just as easily be called the Karaoke Kids or the Origami Girls.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on May 15, 2019, 01:30:16 PM
When it comes to foreign wrestlers Vince literally just goes with the first thing he thinks of that relates to that country, doesn't he. They could just as easily be called the Karaoke Kids or the Origami Girls.

https://twitter.com/RealPaigeWWE/status/1128571756472668160
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: cliggg on May 15, 2019, 01:32:57 PM
When it comes to foreign wrestlers Vince literally just goes with the first thing he thinks of that relates to that country, doesn't he. They could just as easily be called the Karaoke Kids or the Origami Girls.
Paige tweeted today that Kairi and Asuka came up with the name Kabuki Girls but it was changed to Warriors. So leave poor Vince alone.
EDIT: up_the_hampipe beat me too it but still leave Vince alone lads eh?
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Utter Shit on May 15, 2019, 01:36:49 PM
He only gave it the green light because he thought they said Bukkake.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: cliggg on May 15, 2019, 01:43:55 PM
He only gave it the green light because he thought they said Bukkake.
Perhaps. I did nearly choke on a piece of my wrap laughing at that though so I hope that is true.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on May 15, 2019, 01:45:15 PM
More info on AEW's TV deal: https://nypost.com/2019/05/15/aew-lands-prime-time-television-deal-and-wwe-has-competition/
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Utter Shit on May 15, 2019, 01:47:47 PM
PRESENTING

SHINSUKE NAKAMURA AND THAT OTHER JAPANESE LAD OFF 205 LIVE

AS

SUSHI NINJAS

WHAT DO YOU MEAN THE 205 LIVE GUY LEFT GET ME ANOTHER ONE
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on May 15, 2019, 02:49:19 PM
More info on AEW's TV deal: https://nypost.com/2019/05/15/aew-lands-prime-time-television-deal-and-wwe-has-competition/

Yowwie Wowwie!
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: BeardFaceMan on May 15, 2019, 02:53:18 PM
He only gave it the green light because he thought they said Bukkake.

Vince doesn't know Asian porn exists.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: gmoney on May 15, 2019, 09:59:16 PM
They should have gone for Samuri Pizza Cats.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on May 16, 2019, 01:38:02 PM
Looks like WWE is going to BT sports.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Huxleys Babkins on May 16, 2019, 03:22:16 PM
End of an era that.

Massively risky for WWE unless there's an FTA highlights option in the deal. Their positioning on Sky One has been massively important to them.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Delete Delete Delete on May 16, 2019, 03:29:09 PM
Last time they renewed the contract was before the network launched. Maybe Sky dosn't want it without exclusive pay per views.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on May 16, 2019, 04:36:28 PM
There was talk of them being angry at the Network hitting PPV sales, so that's probably true. They've been dropping some long term sports deals to help pay the ridiculous Premier League rites. ATP tennis ended at the end of 2018 and they'd had that for just as long.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on May 16, 2019, 05:59:26 PM
This is worrying

(https://i.ibb.co/tJxMk2F/Screenshot-2019-05-16-News-about-Ric-Flair-on-Twitter.png)
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on May 16, 2019, 06:24:59 PM
Hold off on the worry. It seems this is just TMZ being shit https://twitter.com/seanrosssapp/status/1129070551048380416?s=21
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on May 16, 2019, 06:32:49 PM
Hold off on the worry. It seems this is just TMZ being shit https://twitter.com/seanrosssapp/status/1129070551048380416?s=21

I should've known. Bunch of cunts. Still, better it's not true.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on May 16, 2019, 06:54:14 PM
Bliss out of the MITB ladder match, not medically cleared to compete. Worrying that this seems to be happening a lot to her.

https://twitter.com/WWE/status/1129054919657496579?s=19
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on May 16, 2019, 07:27:59 PM
Nikki Cross is going to win it, isn't she.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on May 16, 2019, 09:02:55 PM
I doubt she'll win, but she'll most likely be the replacement.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Delete Delete Delete on May 16, 2019, 09:20:09 PM
I wonder if there thinking of putting Bliss as her Manager, being nice to Nikk ibackstage but using her as a Monster in ring.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Mobius on May 17, 2019, 12:44:21 AM
Starting to get really excited for AEW.

WWE have done a lot of the work for them by being total shite.

Curious to see if there'll be new gimmicks or people will bring their existing characters in. Can't wait to see what the production, promos are like.

Wonder how Cody, The Bucks will book themselves!

Will be great to see Pac again.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on May 17, 2019, 01:40:00 AM
Starting to get really excited for AEW.

WWE have done a lot of the work for them by being total shite.

Curious to see if there'll be new gimmicks or people will bring their existing characters in. Can't wait to see what the production, promos are like.

Wonder how Cody, The Bucks will book themselves!

Will be great to see Pac again.

In the latest BTE The Bucks seem to be teasing the idea that they can use their exectutive VP status to manipulate officials they are recruiting which will be an interesting development. It's such a fine line. It will be absolutely fine for The Elite to debut in AEW as faces with titles but then there has to be a planned progression to get the titles off them as it will only look like company high ups pushing themselves. The longer term potential for a Clique, Hogan, McMahon's, HHH style obsession with inserting themselves into everything (as faces or heel authority figures) has to be a real issue.

I would argue the number one priority for AWE is getting the rest of the roster over as big as possible but its a tricky one. The Bucks/Lucha match is the litmus test and they have kinda booked themselves into a corner already. If Bucks retain then their critics will say they are booking themselves too strong but if they lose then what happens to "wins and loses matter" and the end to 50:50 booking? Going to take some smart long term thinking.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on May 17, 2019, 01:42:34 AM
Ashley Massaro has died. Just 39. Awful.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Dannyhood91 on May 17, 2019, 10:06:56 AM
Ashley Massaro has died. Just 39. Awful.

Her Twitter was active the day before saying she was going to respond to fan mail. Sad :(
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Huxleys Babkins on May 17, 2019, 10:30:44 AM
In the latest BTE The Bucks seem to be teasing the idea that they can use their exectutive VP status to manipulate officials they are recruiting which will be an interesting development. It's such a fine line. It will be absolutely fine for The Elite to debut in AEW as faces with titles but then there has to be a planned progression to get the titles off them as it will only look like company high ups pushing themselves. The longer term potential for a Clique, Hogan, McMahon's, HHH style obsession with inserting themselves into everything (as faces or heel authority figures) has to be a real issue.

I would argue the number one priority for AWE is getting the rest of the roster over as big as possible but its a tricky one. The Bucks/Lucha match is the litmus test and they have kinda booked themselves into a corner already. If Bucks retain then their critics will say they are booking themselves too strong but if they lose then what happens to "wins and loses matter" and the end to 50:50 booking? Going to take some smart long term thinking.

I think we probably need to prepare ourselves that AEW isn't going to be perfect and that it's not the end of the world if it's not. They are talking a big game, but anyone who's followed this business know's there's too many variables and too many egos involved in a wrestling promotion for the booking to be perfect. They'll fuck stuff up, they'll push people they shouldn't, they'll be blinded by the star power of ex-WWE guys, management will overestimate their own value, they'll have injuries and disputes with talent. That's inevitable.

What matters is if what's on screen is entertaining enough to be able to ignore all of the inevitable junk that will come with it. If they can produce something along the lines of TNA circa 2005, I'll be more than happy.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: An Actual Propeller on May 17, 2019, 11:47:42 AM
For what it's worth, when the Young Bucks were in the main event of All In, the show ran long, so they willingly cut most of their spots out in order to showcase Bandido.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Utter Shit on May 17, 2019, 03:03:47 PM
Without wishing to shit on anything as I know nothing of the build-up to this event and I desperately want it to be great both for its own sake and for the potential galvanising effect it could have on the WWE's shows...I was surprised at how underwhelming the AEW card looked. I'd literally never heard of half the roster, and only three of them (Jericho, Cody and Omega) strike me as obvious main eventers. I'm sure it will improve with time, and presumably Ambrose/Moxley will turn up at this PPV, and maybe it's unrealistic to expect much more just now. Maybe they are more intent on building their own stars.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: sevendaughters on May 17, 2019, 03:35:28 PM
Without wishing to shit on anything as I know nothing of the build-up to this event and I desperately want it to be great both for its own sake and for the potential galvanising effect it could have on the WWE's shows...I was surprised at how underwhelming the AEW card looked. I'd literally never heard of half the roster, and only three of them (Jericho, Cody and Omega) strike me as obvious main eventers. I'm sure it will improve with time, and presumably Ambrose/Moxley will turn up at this PPV, and maybe it's unrealistic to expect much more just now. Maybe they are more intent on building their own stars.

Cards and brands don't draw, stars do. Jericho, Omega, Bucks, Cody, that's the money right now. Ambrose if he's there.

I actually prefer the look of this show to All In, actually, except I don't get the main event. I presume it leads to Omega being back with NJPW somehow given Jericho facing Okada at Dominion and NJPW updating Omega's biography on their site...
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: An Actual Propeller on May 17, 2019, 03:56:09 PM
Maybe they are more intent on building their own stars.

I think that's the idea. I suppose they have to strike a fine balance between getting enough "stars" and great under-the-radar wrestlers otherwise it just comes off as WWE-lite.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: An Actual Propeller on May 17, 2019, 03:58:17 PM
News (or confirmation) for Timothy: FITE TV will show AEW Double or Nothing outside of the USA (https://twitter.com/FiteTV/status/1129387408980619264).  It's available on FITE TV for UK viewers for £14.99 (i.e. same price as on ITV Box Office), but not sure how much it costs outside of the UK.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: sevendaughters on May 17, 2019, 04:22:06 PM
If AEW can simply capitalise on what Omega is said to have - a once-in-a-generation organic combination of great work and unscripted personality - then that is enough. People used to watch the Hulk Hogan wrestling, not WWF.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Swoz_MK on May 17, 2019, 05:22:38 PM
Wasn't expecting Divas-style poolside bikini shoots from AEW at all, but here we are
https://www.allelitewrestling.com/post/the-women-of-aew-poolside-photo-shoot

Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on May 18, 2019, 12:04:01 AM
I believe the kids on twitter would say: Nia snapped https://twitter.com/niajaxwwe/status/1129503400100605957?s=21
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Monsieur Verdoux on May 18, 2019, 12:36:57 AM
Ashley Massaro has died. Just 39. Awful.

Suicide, apparently

Her death has been strangely affecting, as it conjures up memories of staying up late to watch the live Raws where she won the diva search, and makes you think Christ, was that really 14 years ago?
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on May 18, 2019, 01:32:54 PM
Yeah, same here. She also had a rough deal with WWE and seemed like a really sweet person. Feel bad for her daughter.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on May 18, 2019, 09:31:19 PM
Some happy news.

(https://i.ibb.co/X57Khwz/Screenshot-2019-05-18-Capt-Karnstein-Wrasslin-on-Twitter.png)
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on May 19, 2019, 01:42:30 AM
Hangman Page vs. PAC ain't happening at Double or Nothing because of creative differences with PAC https://www.f4wonline.com/news/pac-vs-page-double-or-nothing-due-creative-differences-284076

Not a good sign of things to come.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on May 19, 2019, 02:15:55 AM
Is PAC just a prick then it’s or just working the well worn path of protecting himself? It’s all well and good refusing to jobs in a company that is proudly proclaiming that “wins and losses“ matter but it will be pretty pointless if no one other than Dragon Gate will book him. Any chance this is part of his “bastard“ gimmick? Seems off that Page would fly to UK for a match if Benjamin Slatterly is genuinely being an arsehole.

Speaking of which if any of you WON subscribers don’t normally listen to FFW with Lance then this week’s was rather funny. Lance and Bryan pointlessly arguing about whether “facts are stats or stats are facts“ amused me greatly. Lance is a great odd-bod human being.

Actually, what else do people listen to? I listen to Adam and Mike BAN for Japanese stuff and Jim and Fumi. Any other gems on there I miss (or are in archive). Granny is still best voice in wrestling radio though.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Mobius on May 19, 2019, 02:52:09 AM
Hope this is some sort of work because PAC was who I was most looking forward to seeing.

Still you have to love a bit of drama!
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Moribunderast on May 19, 2019, 06:08:55 AM
I'm very confused how the promotion of PAC vs. Page got so far without anyone apparently discussing or planning the finish. Meltzer says they pulled the match due to long-term planning and, basically, if PAC wins then logically he has to face Omega or Jericho next - and what if he's still champ then? He has to beat Omega/Jericho?

Which all makes sense, BUT, he was champ when they signed/booked him so this should have been a conversation back then. If they don't want Page losing, book PAC against some midcarder who doesn't require booking protection rather than walking haphazardly into this mess. Hopefully they've learned a valuable lesson in setting boundaries and having clear conditions when dealing with guys who work in (or are champions of) other promotions.

Very disappointed as that match may have been my most anticipated of the night. Hopefully Hangman gets a good replacement opponent. Match will need to be good because the result won't be in doubt!
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: sevendaughters on May 19, 2019, 08:55:15 AM
it's an odd one. the only way it happens like this in my head is if PAC has gone to DG to hotshot a rating, they put the title on him and then extended his deal with some additional conditions. DG don't play well with others and now AEW is full of ex-DG guys it would probably draw eyes who would see their champ getting beaten.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on May 19, 2019, 09:31:00 AM
Match off the card because of creative differences and because AEW wants a sportslike atmosphere and had their own ideas for what they wanted out of the match less then a week before the actual PPV airs is not a good sign.

My most anticipated match on the card no less. Disappointing.

Anyone reckons Moxley will replace Pac?

Tonight MITB. My predictions (for anyone who wants to put money on the opposite happening). Winners in bold.:

Daniel Bryan and Rowan (c) vs. The Usos
Revival interfering, costing Usos the match

Roman Reigns vs. Elias

Tony Nese (c) vs. Ariya Daivari

Shane McMahon vs. The Miz
Shane falls off steel cage and wins

Naomi vs. Nikki Cross vs. Natalya vs. Dana Brooke vs. Bayley vs. Mandy Rose vs. Carmella vs. Ember Moon

Sami Zayn vs. Ricochet vs. Drew McIntyre vs. Baron Corbin vs. Ali vs. Randy Orton vs. Andrade vs. Finn Balor
Either Sami or Andrade.

Samoa Joe (c) vs. Rey Mysterio

Becky Lynch (c) vs. Charlotte

Becky Lynch (c) vs. Lacey Evans

MITB cashin by Cross. Cross wins.

Kofi Kingston (c) vs. Kevin Owens

Seth Rollins (c) vs. AJ Styles
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: BeardFaceMan on May 19, 2019, 10:45:18 AM
Match off the card because of creative differences and because AEW wants a sportslike atmosphere and had their own ideas for what they wanted out of the match less then a week before the actual PPV airs is not a good sign.

Not really, you seem to blaming AEW when it looks like PAC was the one who wouldn't play ball. Isn't this is the exact kind of behaviour he got applauded for when he left WWE?
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: sevendaughters on May 19, 2019, 10:55:49 AM
I think in a strange way it is a good sign in terms of approach to flim-flam. It's what UFC would do. He's off. Someone else is coming in. It was the match I was looking forward to the most so I am disappointed. I also think that by establishing certain levels of truth and credibility, you will aid the times you want to work something like this. WCW would have just done a non-finish and hurt themselves.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on May 19, 2019, 11:18:01 AM
Just weird that they apparently didnt plan or tell Pac the finish a week before the PPV even though they were building this match for months.

Either that or VISA issues.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: BeardFaceMan on May 19, 2019, 11:28:12 AM
Or PAC was biding his time and waiting until the last possible moment to tell AEW he wouldn't lose while being champion somewhere else, thinking he might get away with it. Speculating is fun! Just seems weird you're so focused on AEW being the ones at fault even though PAC has a history of refusing to do stuff in order to protect himself.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Delete Delete Delete on May 19, 2019, 11:34:20 AM
Wonder if PAC and Austin Aries talk to each other a lot behind the scenes as they both have a similar out look on going over and their postion on the card.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on May 19, 2019, 02:18:16 PM
Got to agree with Timothy here. What ever this situation with PAC is any whoever is to blame it’s not a strong look for AEW. And actually, back stage politics aside having PAC win is the obvious booking anyway. Hangman is popular and hugely improved but is still not a top tier guy and the story that AEW should be telling is that PAC went to Dragon Gate after WWE, became a bastard, is now unstoppable and there are plenty more like him ready to give The Elite a run for their money. Next unknown in US  Dragon Gate Guy they bring in already has a bit of a push before they start.

I want AEW to be ace but it’s fine to wonder what going on. Proof will be in the shows I suppose.

Wonder where this leaves the Fyter Fest match.

I also wonder if CIMA has had a say in any of this. Interesting.

Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on May 19, 2019, 02:32:08 PM
I understand they want Page to be a top star but Pac should have gone over here with some sort of big rematch planned for their first tv show. Pac losing doesnt make much sense and I understand why he didnt want to do the job. Either way its quite weird that this happens less then a week before the PPV.

Dave Meltzer is doing all sorts of damage control btw. Interesting to read.

I hope they get an ace replacement because I really want this PPV to be succesful. But the US and European price for this card and now Pac quitting Im not that optimistic that Double or Nothing will be succesful.

Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on May 19, 2019, 04:29:51 PM
I understand they want Page to be a top star but Pac should have gone over here with some sort of big rematch planned for their first tv show. Pac losing doesnt make much sense and I understand why he didnt want to do the job. Either way its quite weird that this happens less then a week before the PPV.

Dave Meltzer is doing all sorts of damage control btw. Interesting to read.

I hope they get an ace replacement because I really want this PPV to be succesful. But the US and European price for this card and now Pac quitting Im not that optimistic that Double or Nothing will be succesful.

Fingers crossed.

Double or Nothing will be ace. I agree though that Page should have lost and set up the chase.

As for Meltzer, what you got to remember is that whilst it looks a bit dodgy him being so close to The Bucks that is hardly new and that is fundamentally his business, which is to report on wrestling news. This week there have been 2 or 3 stories where they have literally been texting WWE guys during shows to to try to get confirmations for stories. Dave and Bryan have plenty of contacts in WWE too.

I can see what you mean about how it might be perceived that Dave could be seen to put a positive spin of AEW stuff but TBF if you listen to WON the themes are consistent.

- WWE main roster is most talented roster in wrestling ever.
- RAW and Smackdown are a total mess.
- It is almost all Vince’s fault with his short term booking and complete control of writing.
- NXT is ace.
- HHH is ace.
- A lot of WWE wrestlers are fed up with the booking.
- WWE is a financial beast. A huge success.
- But morally when it comes to issues around Saudi, independent contractors, health insurance, etc.
- AEW should be a genuine alternative with better programming.
- But WWE ain’t going nowhere.
- WWE will be keeping a close eye on everything AEW do and will react.
- AEW have plenty of money but the aim is to be run as a profit making business.

One complaint I have read this week is that Dave is spinning the AEW TV deal compared to XFL. That seems crazy to me as there does genuinely appear to be a key difference in that AEW will get percentage of TV ad revenue and XFL won’t (which could cover costs of a wrestling company but even that would t come close to funding the salaries of an entire league of pro-footballers). The AEW deal is objectively way better than the XFL one so it’s just another thing that Meltzer haters have just not thought through.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Spode on May 19, 2019, 04:36:11 PM
Meltzer insisting it isn’t a work, ITV Wrestling retweeting PAC saying he’s never going to AEW, never mind Double or Nothing. I’m being worked into a shoot, brother.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on May 19, 2019, 04:48:38 PM
Quite looking forward to Money in the Bank. I've become convinced that they're finally gonna pull the trigger on Sami and have him win, so no doubt I'm in for a disappointment. Hopefully Ember or Nikki for the women's version.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on May 19, 2019, 05:19:06 PM
Just listened to WOR. I think Dave's explanation seems pretty reasonable.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on May 19, 2019, 11:32:11 PM
Daniel Bryan is working the pre-show?!
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Mobius on May 19, 2019, 11:51:19 PM
Daniel Bryan is working the pre-show?!

Well he is a tag team champion now, he's lucky to be on the show at all!

Hope Ember and Andrade win the briefcases. I'm at work but I'll follow along and make smug comments about how shit WWE is
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on May 20, 2019, 12:25:47 AM
I like Bayley. Happy with that.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: rjd2 on May 20, 2019, 12:26:39 AM
I like Bayley. Happy with that.

Aye, not a classic, but plenty of fun spots for sure and Bailey as winner is fine.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on May 20, 2019, 12:31:36 AM
Yeah. Not bad.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on May 20, 2019, 01:02:42 AM
Babyface Miz is booked like such a loser. Pins himself at Mania. Attacks Shane from behind on TV but still get bettered. Loses the cage despite battering Shane for 20 minutes with a chair.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on May 20, 2019, 01:03:57 AM
WWE unveiling a new title tomorrow on Raw. Can't think what it could be.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Mobius on May 20, 2019, 01:09:42 AM
Babyface Miz is booked like such a loser. Pins himself at Mania. Attacks Shane from behind on TV but still get bettered. Loses the cage despite battering Shane for 20 minutes with a chair.

A few weeks ago Shane completely no sold multiple chair shots from Miz then rode off in a limo he is the Best In The World
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: rjd2 on May 20, 2019, 01:20:59 AM
The 205 guys worked hard, but that match did not need to be on what looks a bloated card. Or heck stick it on the pre show.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on May 20, 2019, 01:48:07 AM
Heel Charlotte is great.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on May 20, 2019, 01:52:39 AM
I thought that whole women's segment was well done.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on May 20, 2019, 01:56:58 AM
Well that was fucking looonnnggggg but I think I've enjoyed most of it. The prick in me has to note that they have got Charlotte nearer to Ric's record. Bailey getting the pops so that is nice.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: rjd2 on May 20, 2019, 01:58:42 AM
Agreed, the ladies stuff been the most enjoyable elements of the night.

Nothing else that memorable though.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on May 20, 2019, 02:01:33 AM
So, Bray is replacing Sami in MitB right?
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Deanjam on May 20, 2019, 02:02:52 AM
Fine with that squash. No need to see Elias wrestle.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: rjd2 on May 20, 2019, 02:04:15 AM
Fine with that squash. No need to see Elias wrestle.


Agreed, a back and forth 20 minute match would do little for Roman. Elias can get his heat back easily enough anyhow.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on May 20, 2019, 02:23:59 AM
Aye Roman is going to get booed soon enough for his push so might as well spare us the misery of having to watch his matches. I actually think the fewer superman punches we see the more likeable he is (unless you are a 6 year old child or horny mam - which seem to be his two main demographics - who love that shit).
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on May 20, 2019, 02:37:03 AM
This confims my issue with these two. An objectively brilliant match that (but I still have very little interest in either of them as characters - no idea why really, it's me not them I suppose).
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: rjd2 on May 20, 2019, 02:37:57 AM
That was a really fun match with Seth and AJ. Seth if you want to be snarky has some killer moves that never end a match, definitely would add even more to his matches if he won with those.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: rjd2 on May 20, 2019, 02:40:06 AM
This confims my issue with these two. An objectively brilliant match that (but I still have very little interest in either of them as characters - no idea why really, it's me not them I suppose).

AJ is still over, but damn his character is nothing.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: rjd2 on May 20, 2019, 02:43:27 AM
The show has definitely lacked a racist killing minorities. Thank you Vince.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: rjd2 on May 20, 2019, 03:44:34 AM
That was a fun men MITB, but yeah then fucking Brock.

Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on May 20, 2019, 08:24:28 AM
Hah they’re really just trolling with Brock at this point.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Mobius on May 20, 2019, 09:08:10 AM
Hahahahaha  Brock won the briefcase

Seth AJ was a good match but yeah they have no character and their feud has nothing behind it. Great wrestling match tho, that curbstomp reversal into a Styles Clash was sick.

Samoa Joe’s nosebleed was cool.

Some good spots in the ladder match.

Hardcore belt tomorrow? Can’t think what else it’d be but how is that going to work
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: peanutbutter on May 20, 2019, 09:13:40 AM
I dunno, MITB (and the Rumble to a lesser extent) have suffered in recent years from this need for them to be used as a platform to launch someone every single time. Shake it up a bit with a Brock reign.


This is one time where I think AEW's weaknesses shine through a lot more, even listening to Meltzer explain it, there's a really strong desire to "give fans what they want" and that isn't always the best thing...
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Huxleys Babkins on May 20, 2019, 10:24:53 AM
Hardcore belt tomorrow? Can’t think what else it’d be but how is that going to work

There's never been a better or worse time for the 24/7 rule.

Never better because social media can legitimise it. The title changes can be filmed on cellphones so you don't get those segments where you need to suspend disbelief because there just so happens to be a WWE film crew in a 7-Eleven whilst the champ is buying some milk.

But never worse, because you know some moron is going to attack the talent in public. The champ would effectively be housebound during their reign because 4chan will dox the shit out of them to try to triangulate an attack.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: sevendaughters on May 20, 2019, 10:37:25 AM
Foley leads to it being a hardcore title but maybe a TV title, seeing as Vince is trying to shore up those ratings. Guaranteed championship opportunities every week!
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on May 20, 2019, 11:30:06 AM
Oh WWE fuck off. What a bad PPV. And MITB is usually good fun.

Female MITB was just bad. Carmella and Mandy are so bad in the ring. Then Bayley winning. Such a boring character. This was the perfect time to pull the trigger on Cross.

Mysterio vs Samoa Joe. What was that shit? Was it a botch and quick end with Samoa Joe bleeding? Or just terrible booking? Why is Dominic on TV? Why is Reys first US champ win a fluke instead of a big moment?

Becky is so boring in the ring. Also lots of botches in both female championship matches. Wtf happened when Lacey pinned her and the referee just waited? Why does she fall before kicks connect? She is tough on the mic but loses her persona when the bell rings.

And after that boring Bayley cashing in on Charlotte because why wait with the MITB suspense when you can ruin it on one evening? Becky Two Belts reign over before it even properly started. Sigh.

Shane vs Miz was weak.

AJ vs Seth. Good match but why should we care? AJ has zero character or personality. Great in ring but there is no reason to care.

Kofi vs Owens was fun.

That whole Braun vs Sami feud lead to nothing. That whole Elias vs Roman feud that we had to watch for weeks lead to nothing. Both not in match. Sami out of MITB. This is doing nothing for them all. Waste of time. Pointless.

Brock winning the MITB. Fuck off. Seriously. Just for the Saudi show probably.

Such bad booking. There are no proper build ups anymore. Anything they do during RAW and SD is made redundant on the PPVs. There is no reason to care about things like Sami winning or the MITB participants or whatever when they all throw it away on the next show. Why did I have to watch a shitload of bad Elias Roman segments when they arent even fighting? Meh.
And now we get another title? They cant even properly book the ones they already have.

Had great fun at RAW last week but I think I stop watching until the Royal Rumble next year. Done with this shit.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Delete Delete Delete on May 20, 2019, 11:37:00 AM
Going back to the Brock well shows how desperate they are. Lets just keeping using old stars instead of creating any new stars. They don't understand the reason the ratings are tanking, thinking its just about star power. Its not so simple, your not going to steer the ratings around over night with random stunts, its going to have to be a slow build as wwe booking wins back its trust with the audience.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on May 20, 2019, 11:42:26 AM
Yup.

Ratings tank because people dont have a reason to follow the show anymore. There are no proper stories or angles. Even when you care about something like Sami entering MITB while KO fights Kofi they suddenly decide to change things or stop angles halfway. Its the shit on the fly booking that makes people stop watching. Why invest time when they dont respect it? Why bother following Raw or Sd when half the angles are gone or changed the moment the PPV starts?
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: up_the_hampipe on May 20, 2019, 11:47:34 AM
They use Brock because he's a heel that actually gets heat right now. Fans are fucking SICK of him, they think he's lazy (he's not), he barely shows up and gets all the glory (that's true). So they have him stroll in after weeks off television and steal the briefcase from hard-working talent. Makes sense really. I think the idea of MITB Brock lurking in the shadows waiting for a champ to destroy could be quite fun. He's not an "old star", he's an active member of the roster, even if he has a much smaller schedule. He's younger than AJ. Goldberg vs. Undertaker, those are old stars!
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on May 20, 2019, 12:37:04 PM
You are quite optimistic.

I fully expect Brock to either stay off tv until he cashes in at Saudi show or to see him cash in tonight.

Either that or they pull of a dumb stunt like Heyman cashing in on Raw on his behalf.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on May 20, 2019, 01:12:37 PM
I actually thought the show was quite fun. I missed the pre show but the Women's MITB was fine and had a bit of jeopardy and Bailey winning actually got Bailey over.

Joe Rey was a bit shit but it was quite fun to watch (no idea why Rey's "kid" is there if he isn't doing anything though). Errmm... all the women's title stuff was decent enough. Becky dropping one of her belts, Lacey not being awful, Charlotte being an ace heel, adding to her titles and a Bailey cash in after her running head into post was really well done I thought. Crowd reacted to it in right way.

Roman Elias was all it needed to be and I laughted at Elias. Didn't hate it as much as a match.

AJ Seth was good to watch in ring but as stated I find them both really boring characters.

Kev Kof was good.

MITB was good and if by this point you can't laugh at Vince trolling the audience with Brock then you are missing out. It's the one thing Vince has done brilliantly in ages (at least in terms of the character, the fans hate Brock and it all actually works its just got minor issue that he has led the example to the fans for why they shoudn't bother with Raw and Smackdown).

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MITB is always a fairly good show and this was no different. Timothy, I think part of the problem is you have probably spent hundreds of quid on WWE in last week and feel a bit flat that THAT is what Vince has made out of it. I feel your pain. It's a lot easier to shrug your shoulders at WWE and enjoy the odd bits if you just don't give Vince any off your money.

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As for the Foley belt it will be a Hardcore Championship belt and it will go back and forward from RAW to Smackdown (and maybe NXT) every episode as an excuse to further water down the brand split. Nothing will ever top the DDT Iron Heavymetal Weight Championship as greatest hardcore belt but it would do WWE no harm to introduce this as a bit of actual fun to the programming.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Ja'moke on May 20, 2019, 01:19:14 PM
Brock winning MITB is clearly just to set up a title match for the Saudi show... at least that's how I see it. Which is why it will be ultimately meaningless because who gives a shit about the Saudi shows? Not even the people in Jeddah. Just the rich prince.

I thought both MITB matches themselves were really fun though, especially the men's. And AJ vs Rollins was really good. That Curbstomp countered into the Styles Clash... ace.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: hummingofevil on May 20, 2019, 01:23:09 PM
Brock winning MITB is clearly just to set up a title match for the Saudi show... at least that's how I see it. Which is why it will be ultimately meaningless because who gives a shit about the Saudi shows? Not even the people in Jeddah. Just the rich prince.

I thought both MITB matches themselves were really fun though, especially the men's. And AJ vs Rollins was really good. That Curbstomp countered into the Styles Clash... ace.

Also ironically at least it makes booking sense for once. We all know its wank but at least the idea that "Brock is back for Saudi" is logical unlike people getting title shots for losing on Raw.
Title: Re: Wrestling: The Baron Corbin Era
Post by: Timothy on May 20, 2019, 01:37:25 PM
Also ironically at least it makes booking sense for once. We all know its wank but at least the idea that "Brock is back for Saudi" is logical unlike people getting title shots for losing on Raw.

Non kayfabe its logical.
Kayfabe it made no sense.

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MITB is always a fairly good show and this was no different. Timothy, I think part of the problem is you have probably spent hundreds of quid on WWE in last week and feel a bit flat that THAT is what Vince has made out of it. I feel your pain. It's a lot easier to shrug your shoulders at WWE and enjoy the odd bits if you just don't give Vince any off your money.

80 pounds total so it wasnt that bad ;-)

Nah it had nothing to do with money. I just disliked the show in general because the things I was looking forward to the most didnt happen.

I was really looking forward to both the mens MITB due to Sami being in it and a good Rey vs Joe bout and both didnt happen. I dont like Bayley so her winning the MITB didnt do much for me. Cutting the Two Belt reign short on such short notice sucks. With Sami gone in the MITB match apart from Orton and Almas there were imo no real potential WWE champions involved.

The thing I like most about MITB is the suspense when and where the cashin will take place and thats also gone.

It was imo just a shit PPV.
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on May 20, 2019, 01:39:31 PM
Brock winning MITB is clearly just to set up a title match for the Saudi show... at least that's how I see it. Which is why it will be ultimately meaningless because who gives a shit about the Saudi shows? Not even the people in Jeddah. Just the rich prince.

Hmm, thought they'd hold out on it longer than that. Would have been cool to have him cash in on the first Smackdown on FOX.
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Post by: Timothy on May 20, 2019, 01:40:46 PM
I doubt FOX will be happy with a show where the big champ only appears on PPV.


And he isnt gonna cash in on Kofi. Cole made it clear that Seth should be really afraid during his commentary.
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on May 20, 2019, 01:44:38 PM
Who says Kofi will be champ by then and who says Brock will win?
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Post by: Timothy on May 20, 2019, 01:45:41 PM
You are right. Forgot FOX is far away.
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Post by: peanutbutter on May 20, 2019, 06:18:43 PM
Going back to the Brock well shows how desperate they are. Lets just keeping using old stars instead of creating any new stars. They don't understand the reason the ratings are tanking, thinking its just about star power. Its not so simple, your not going to steer the ratings around over night with random stunts, its going to have to be a slow build as wwe booking wins back its trust with the audience.
WWE have never ever understood this though. The only reason Austin got as over as he did was because he was extremely protective of himself (his neck injury probably helped here) whilst also being a bit of a genius.

WWE need AEW to be a hit more than anyone tbh, if only so they can steal their stars in two years to prop up the fox deal
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Post by: sevendaughters on May 20, 2019, 06:27:43 PM
Didn't see MITB but the Brock things sounds amazing. Fuck it. He's their one big star who doesn't feel like a corporate dunce and can legitimately kick your arse. His matches are different and interesting. They make ME want to tune in! I embrace this Inokiism.
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Post by: hummingofevil on May 20, 2019, 07:08:38 PM
Non kayfabe its logical.
Kayfabe it made no sense.

Kayfabe is dead and has been for years. Look at it in bigger picture. The Saudi Prince wants Brock and TV ratings are dying and company can’t build stars. The biggest push anyone has had in last two decades is Brock beating the streak. He IS the big star. That Vince has booked him so fans actually believe he is lazy, doesn’t want to be there and actually pays him more than anyone on roster AND tells him to stay home is utterly hilarious if you try to enjoy WWE as an all encompassing beast where the back stage machinations are as much of the story line as so called kayfabe in ring.

Hell you got some Twitter accounts keeping to characters and others posting selfies of supposed hated rivals driving together; heel-face Steph genuinely giving some dying kids the best day of their lives then burying every make talent in the company; a company that prides itself on its inclusivity agenda only to take the Saudi millions, bring back Hogan and book Lars to destroy three Mexicans a week after fining him $100,000.

The best we can expect from WWE is for their programming to give us a sneaky peaky into the real world mad mind of Vince and on that level MITB delivered. Last throwing Mexicans is a fuck you to sponsors, Bailey winning is a fuck you to Sasha, Charlotte getting another title closer to Ric is a fuck you to internet geeks whining about her push and Brock to is fuck you to everyone. Now you are within you right not to enjoy it and be fucked off by their fuck you but I for one find that the most enjoyable bit.
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Post by: Spode on May 20, 2019, 07:44:18 PM
Tried to avoid spoilers all day only to find out an hour ago they booked Brock to take the Iron Throne. Ridiculous
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Post by: sevendaughters on May 20, 2019, 07:51:50 PM
the affidavit of Ashley Massaro alleging that she was raped on WWE military duty and Vince encouraged her to play it down to preserve the relationship is just so horrendous

https://twitter.com/ChrisBrosnahan/status/1129794890492198912
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Post by: BeardFaceMan on May 20, 2019, 07:52:44 PM
Kayfabe is dead and has been for years.

Only spods like us think that though. If you watch WWE TV, it's all kayfabe. The mainstream audience has no idea of the behind the scenes stuff and what Brock's contract is and what other wrestlers feel about him and how he's booked or what the Saudis want etc. Thats how they're able to get away with booking such a shitshow, its only a small percentage of their audience that cares about that stuff.
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Post by: peanutbutter on May 20, 2019, 07:58:03 PM
Thats how they're able to get away with booking such a shitshow
They're able to get away with booking such a shitshow because the older end of their audience has been watching weekly for decades and are borderline incapable of breaking the habit at this stage.
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Post by: BeardFaceMan on May 20, 2019, 08:04:43 PM
They're able to get away with booking such a shitshow because the older end of their audience has been watching weekly for decades and are borderline incapable of breaking the habit at this stage.

That's also true, it took me a long time to finally cut the cord and it wasn't even WWE that got me into wrestling.
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Post by: Monsieur Verdoux on May 20, 2019, 08:23:30 PM
the affidavit of Ashley Massaro alleging that she was raped on WWE military duty and Vince encouraged her to play it down to preserve the relationship is just so horrendous

https://twitter.com/ChrisBrosnahan/status/1129794890492198912

utterly grotesque

should be a massive scandal
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Post by: hummingofevil on May 20, 2019, 11:27:50 PM
They're able to get away with booking such a shitshow because the older end of their audience has been watching weekly for decades and are borderline incapable of breaking the habit at this stage.

...and the younger end of their audience are barely sentient. It always tickles me even at local indie shows when I’m watching matches trying to invest in the story and not just be a smarky cunt only to look up and see a load of 5 year old kids doing the You Can’t See Me or that Roman arm wank thing. They fucking love it. They can’t even remember whether or not they have pissed their pants never mind what happened 2 weeks ago on Raw. Just do more Superman punches and ill nag mam to buy new T-Shirt.
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on May 20, 2019, 11:33:58 PM
utterly grotesque

should be a massive scandal

There's a lot of WWE stuff that should have been massive scandals, but the mainstream generally doesn't give a fuck about wrestling. Probably assumes it's carny bollocks with this stuff going on anyway.
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Post by: Monsieur Verdoux on May 20, 2019, 11:37:19 PM
absolutely true, Vince's involvement in the Jimmy Snuka stuff is a scandal that would have killed any other company
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Post by: hummingofevil on May 20, 2019, 11:37:35 PM
Only spods like us think that though. If you watch WWE TV, it's all kayfabe. The mainstream audience has no idea of the behind the scenes stuff and what Brock's contract is and what other wrestlers feel about him and how he's booked or what the Saudis want etc. Thats how they're able to get away with booking such a shitshow, its only a small percentage of their audience that cares about that stuff.

Okay. Maybe. I’ll give you that to a certain extent and we all know and love the types who buy all the merch, carry a belt, treat it as real and suspend belief but are they really a majority? Take the Daniel Bryan or CM Punk or Becky last year and you had arenas full of people screaming for them for months on end, not based on in ring story but a knowledge of the back stage politics. Even the little kids knew it was the bad man Vince McMahon who was not letting DB win. I think the general fan base are a lot more clued up then you say.

Even if I’m wrong Brock coming back and doing that was pretty good in the moment. The guy who has been champ for ever, is a legit UFC fighter loses his title, fucks off for a few weeks and then comes back and destroys everybody putting Seth Rollins on notice and continuing a storyline that has been set up years ago when Rollins cashed in at Mania. The more I think about it the more I like it. They need to book Rollins / Reigns for Mania (or first night on FOX - don’t waste it on Saudis or Summerslam) and have Brock cash in and leave swinging belt above his head. Would be a right laugh, especially if they end up booking Roman into boos.

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Post by: hummingofevil on May 20, 2019, 11:40:53 PM
absolutely true, Vince's involvement in the Jimmy Snuka stuff is a scandal that would have killed any other company

Sorry guys. Not ignoring you. Yes. I am waiting to read this week’s observer before commenting as Dave suggested the case was very odd with her trying to get back with WWE after all the légals failed. I literally know nothing so didn’t want to comment but fact that if true it wouldn’t surprise us says as much for the way they are run than anything else. Grim. So glad Vince doesn’t get my money.
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Post by: BeardFaceMan on May 21, 2019, 01:34:27 AM
Vince has craved mainstream success his entire life, if he actually got it he would be completely fucked with some of the shit he's pulled over the years, he's lucky he's seen as a joke and no one takes any notice of him.
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Post by: hummingofevil on May 21, 2019, 02:07:38 AM
Ha ha. Roman getting booed to fuck but they desperately trying to cover it... oh wait. He going to feud with Shane. That's one way of stopping it. WWE stopping Roman getting booed theatrics has to be the most fun thing in wrestling at the moment.

Shane Roman in Saudi. PEAK FUCKING WWE. I am really starting to fucking love this company.
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Post by: hummingofevil on May 21, 2019, 02:28:23 AM
Renee Young is fucking awful though. You know WWE commentary has reached a new low when you realise that the voice you most want to listen to belongs to Michael Cole. She is fucking horrible on the mic.
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Post by: hummingofevil on May 21, 2019, 03:01:45 AM
Yeah fuck Dave. Hardcore championship. I absolutely agree this is a good idea.
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Post by: Moribunderast on May 21, 2019, 04:08:55 AM
I tried to cancel my WWE sub when the Saudi thing happened but kept getting technical difficulties (the unsubscribe page simply would never load) so eventually gave up. That Ashley Massaro story, which I was unaware of until now, has convinced me to unsubscribe - even if I have to fucken call up customer service to do so. I’ve never had any notion that Vince wasn’t morally repugnant but that’s just so fucked. Nightmarish, ghoulish shit. Fucking gross.

I mean, as a consumer I should unsubscribe solely due to not watching anymore anyway. Didn’t have the smallest inkling to watch MITB and even hearing some matches were good I still just don’t care about the characters or booking. 2000-era Nitros aren’t worth it anymore.
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Post by: Timothy on May 21, 2019, 06:55:32 AM
So glad Vince doesn’t get my money.

You dont have a Network subscription?
Where do you watch the PPVs live?

Not gonna watch Raw but that 24/7 belt sounds absolutely stupid.
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Post by: hummingofevil on May 21, 2019, 11:24:00 AM
You dont have a Network subscription?
Where do you watch the PPVs live?

Not gonna watch Raw but that 24/7 belt sounds absolutely stupid.

I definitely do have a subscription your honour.
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Post by: hummingofevil on May 21, 2019, 12:03:22 PM
Dave hating on 24/7 championship and either he is wrong or I am through the looking glass. It’s an hilarious idea intentionally or not. A jobber hardcore championship is exactly what WWE needs.
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Post by: Ja'moke on May 21, 2019, 12:09:22 PM
Yeah, a 24/7 title for the jobbers is fun. Gives them something to do and they can get creative with it, especially in the age of social media, which someone here might have mentioned already.
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Post by: Delete Delete Delete on May 21, 2019, 12:09:42 PM
At least it gets them on TV doing something.
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Post by: An Actual Propeller on May 21, 2019, 01:19:28 PM
Counterpoint!  Jobbers and lower-card people shouldn't have story lines and should be squashed to fuck by upper-card people.
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Post by: Huxleys Babkins on May 21, 2019, 02:39:46 PM
Counterpoint!  Jobbers and lower-card people shouldn't have story lines and should be squashed to fuck by upper-card people.

It depends how the title is booked. I remember the old Hardcore title under the 24/7 rules and it was just inane skits. Nobody really got over as a result of having the belt, it was just a punchline. And on the odd occasion a legit star got the strap, the 24/7 rule might as well not have existed - sometimes it would be suspended or, usually, nobody would bother challenging them at all.

If they can learn from that, this new title should be a hoot. But this is WWE in 2019, so I expect them to have burned the whole thing out by Summerslam before quietly dropping the belt by Christmas.
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Post by: hummingofevil on May 21, 2019, 02:40:15 PM
Counterpoint!  Jobbers and lower-card people shouldn't have story lines and should be squashed to fuck by upper-card people.

But think of the prestige that will come from beating the 84 times 24/7 Championship holder.
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Post by: petrilTanaka on May 21, 2019, 02:41:41 PM
bet it survives past the summer, but they scrap the 24/7 thing
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on May 22, 2019, 10:30:59 AM
Oof, main event Dolph Ziggler fighting for the WWE title. That'll put butts in the seats.

Having a "24/7 Championship" is so dumb. The 24/7 thing should be a technical rule to a championship, like it was for the hardcore title. This is just going to be the same storyline where a champion is chased around every week. How long are they expecting to keep this going for? What's the benefit for being the champ? That said, I'm sure it will make for some creative silly segments for the time being.
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Post by: Huxleys Babkins on May 22, 2019, 11:48:45 AM
HAHAHAHAHA R-TRUTH IN A LADIES WIG HAHAHAHAHAHA


Then

Now

FOREVER
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Post by: sevendaughters on May 22, 2019, 11:52:33 AM
it is less the dumbness of the 24/7 title and more Foley saying "the third hour of Raw will be wild" or some shit, like I thought the belt was 24/7, COME ON  this is basic stuff lads. Glad it isn't hardcore, just wouldn't work, those matches where Raven would wheel a bunch of harmless props to the ring were embarrassing.
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Post by: up_the_hampipe on May 22, 2019, 12:05:14 PM
HAHAHAHAHA R-TRUTH IN A LADIES WIG HAHAHAHAHAHA


Then

Now

FOREVER

Okay maybe not.

I don't always enjoy Corey Graves, but him yelling "You suck! You sissy!" at Byron last night got a good laugh out of me. Perhaps the only good thing to come out of this 24/7 nonsense so far.
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Post by: Timothy on May 22, 2019, 02:11:05 PM
Having a "24/7 Championship" is so dumb. The 24/7 thing should be a technical rule to a championship, like it was for the hardcore title. This is just going to be the same storyline where a champion is chased around every week. How long are they expecting to keep this going for? What's the benefit for being the champ? That said, I'm sure it will make for some creative silly segments for the time being.

Yup. Its just a stupid pointless idea. Agree with you and Dave here.
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Post by: BeardFaceMan on May 22, 2019, 03:59:41 PM
WWE are so insular theyre completely creatively bankrupt, they have nothing new to offer, just the same old ideas from the same old people. I'm expecting a Kennel From Hell match sometime this year.
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Post by: Deanjam on May 22, 2019, 04:42:06 PM
Sorry if it's been posted before, but PAC vs. Hangman Page from a UK show earlier this week has been put up on AEW's youtube channel:

https://youtu.be/gjCSeXMjtJw (https://youtu.be/gjCSeXMjtJw)
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Post by: Deanjam on May 22, 2019, 04:46:47 PM
The only time I enjoyed the 24/7 rule was in Crash Holly's first few weeks as Hardcore champion. All the inventiveness seemed to be used up quickly.
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Post by: hummingofevil on May 22, 2019, 05:00:31 PM
https://youtu.be/IHdReiiRtlI

Joey Ryan losing the DDT iron heavy metal weight belt to the crowd then winning it back. From 3min Mark.
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Post by: petrilTanaka on May 22, 2019, 09:23:44 PM
The only time I enjoyed the 24/7 rule was in Crash Holly's first few weeks as Hardcore champion. All the inventiveness seemed to be used up quickly.

that and Steve Blackman being nonchalantly hard. that was a good bit. like action film stuff except it's a quietly unhinged supply teacher
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Post by: peanutbutter on May 22, 2019, 09:37:26 PM
Bringing back something for its nostalgic appeal and not bringing back the belt that nostalgia is tied to seems like such a bizarre move to me.

The belt they have introduced looks like it costs half the price of all the other belts to make replicas of. I half wonder if the goal of this new belt is to have an overpriced replica that's still within the price range that parents will spend for their kids at events, get a quick pop swapping the title at every house show and then push the belt like crazy at the merch stands.
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Post by: An Actual Propeller on May 22, 2019, 11:35:46 PM
Fuck AEW already. (https://twitter.com/aewrestling/status/1131326975774093312?s=21)
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Post by: Monsieur Verdoux on May 22, 2019, 11:38:29 PM
Fuck AEW already. (https://twitter.com/aewrestling/status/1131326975774093312?s=21)

horrendous, this should kill their momentum stone dead
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Post by: hummingofevil on May 22, 2019, 11:57:18 PM
Fuck AEW already. (https://twitter.com/aewrestling/status/1131326975774093312?s=21)

Ha ha. Yes. But interesting though. Jack Whitehall has the ability to point a lot of people in their direction mind. Give him onscreen role as new Lord Alfred Hayes gimmick.

That interview is pretty interesting though. Sounds like ITV have been in with this for a while. Be very fascinating how they get this to work. When the hell are they going to put on a weekly show. Wonder if they will broadcast it live over here at stupid o clock in the morning of whether we will get it on a delay in prime time.
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Post by: Timothy on May 23, 2019, 10:34:18 AM
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