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Title: Worms Armageddon
Post by: machotrouts on January 03, 2021, 01:38:15 AM
Do any of you cunts want to play Worms Armageddon. I don't have actual friends
Title: Re: Worms Armageddon
Post by: machotrouts on January 03, 2021, 01:39:36 AM
The 1999 game. I downloaded it on Steam last year. It's about worms.

I've only played one person at it online, on two occasions, and I'm not friends with him anymore and in fact I'm not friends with anyone. I played Worms World Party to death on the PS1 as a kid but I haven't fully adapted to the PC controls yet so I'm still sometimes blowing myself up with a bazooka when I want to jump. I'm vulnerable and defeatable, is my selling point.

You can use this thread to ignore me and just talk about Worms Armageddon too if you like. It's a forum innit.
Title: Re: Worms Armageddon
Post by: Glebe on January 03, 2021, 01:46:38 AM
Used to play this with me mates and always got hammered.
Title: Re: Worms Armageddon
Post by: Famous Mortimer on January 03, 2021, 02:04:58 AM
It's been a while (I remember completing the full challenge series on one of the old Worms games, proud gaming moment), but I'll have a play with you. My Steam name is the "I was bored of typing variants on my name" xxxmortimerxxx.
Title: Re: Worms Armageddon
Post by: popcorn on January 03, 2021, 02:20:46 PM
The thinking man's chess. Would love to play it again but never got it working on Mac. One of a handful of games I remain permanently addicted to even though I haven't touched it in years, like alkies giving up the plonk.
Title: Re: Worms Armageddon
Post by: Glebe on January 03, 2021, 02:35:18 PM
You'd always dig a couple of worms in deep but then somebody would use one of the heavy weapons and kill them.
Title: Re: Worms Armageddon
Post by: evilcommiedictator on January 03, 2021, 10:03:03 PM
It's funny how literally none of the successive Worms games, now with online matchmaking and no need to have people in your house, has failed badly compared to Armageddon.

Remember playing it online with dudes who were amazing with rope skills. That probably didn't help new players ;)
Title: Re: Worms Armageddon
Post by: popcorn on January 03, 2021, 10:20:57 PM
It's funny how literally none of the successive Worms games, now with online matchmaking and no need to have people in your house, has failed badly compared to Armageddon.

I don't think it's that funny - all the games since have been fucking shite. I remember the franchise souring quickly after WA, with World Party being history's least content-packed sequel, then a sequence of poorly considered spin-offs no one wanted, and in the last few years a series of new 2D games that don't get the physics or graphics right. I remember the head being quite a nasty piece of work too, lashing out at people posting on forums about how rubbish Worms Blast was by saying "you don't know how hard it is to develop video games" etc, as if that was supposed to make them happier with their purchase.

I think partly they were limited by the tech, oddly. They hit on a great formula with Worms 1, then expanded and refined and updated it enormously for Worms 2/Armageddon. The Worms 2/WA graphics really were fantastic at the time, an unusual commitment to 2D sprites and animation when everything else was going 3D. But doing everything in sprites is so much more time-consuming compared to 3D models - you could already see this in WA, where lots of tools and weapons don't have graphics, or just reused old ones -  so T17 were always doomed to switch to a new engine for the later games and they've never recaptured it.
Title: Re: Worms Armageddon
Post by: Malcy on January 04, 2021, 07:37:08 PM
I'm up for this. I've been playing 3 different Worms games on Xbox recently so will be good to have a change. Just have to set up Steam and buy the game, which seems to be about £3 at the moment which is great.

Anyone tried the new Worms game that came out recently? I think i read it isn't turn based.

Edit - £2.74 down from £10.99 for the next 20 hours.
Title: Re: Worms Armageddon
Post by: Wonderful Butternut on January 04, 2021, 08:05:40 PM
It's a multiplayer platform shooter in real time.

It's decent. Nothing special. Problem I have is you can routinely run into other worms when you respawn who have a powerful weapon whilst you have a pea shooter, and you end up trying to hop around them and hit them with the baseball bat.
Title: Re: Worms Armageddon
Post by: Rich Uncle Skeleton on January 05, 2021, 01:05:58 AM
Definitely up for some Armageddon! I'm crap but it was the perfect game to jump back into when I had crap internet during the first lockdown
Title: Re: Worms Armageddon
Post by: Malcy on January 05, 2021, 09:37:34 AM
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Title: Re: Worms Armageddon
Post by: Malcy on January 05, 2021, 05:41:25 PM
I've installed it and had a quick go. Haven't played Worms on a PC in a long time and struggling with the controls. Took me far too long to get passed the first couple of training missions and then told the game to fuck off when it gave me a stupid ninja rope thing to do and closed it.

Still up for a match though I don't know how as I've never really used Steam before.
Title: Re: Worms Armageddon
Post by: St_Eddie on January 05, 2021, 06:50:59 PM
I'll play a match, providing cross platform multiplayer is doable, as I have the GOG version.

EDIT: I just checked and cross platform multiplayer is indeed enabled, so if someone wants to set a date/time, I'd be happy to play.
Title: Re: Worms Armageddon
Post by: billyandthecloneasaurus on January 05, 2021, 07:11:27 PM
I WANNA PLAY PM ME
Title: Re: Worms Armageddon
Post by: Malcy on January 07, 2021, 12:01:13 AM
I still haven’t got any practice in on this ( I’m shit hot at worms but not on pc for a long time so don’t want to show myself up!) but can we all try come to some sort of agreement on a match?  Can we get 4 of us playing at a time? I have no idea how to do this on Steam so looking for someone who knows what they are doing to get the ball rolling!

Title: Re: Worms Armageddon
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on January 07, 2021, 12:25:22 AM
I have it on the switch if anyone else is Nintendo’d.
Title: Re: Worms Armageddon
Post by: popcorn on January 07, 2021, 12:27:06 AM
I have it on the switch if anyone else is Nintendo’d.

got all excited then. But Worms Armageddon is not on Switch. Ferris you IDIOT.
Title: Re: Worms Armageddon
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on January 07, 2021, 01:12:44 AM
got all excited then. But Worms Armageddon is not on Switch. Ferris you IDIOT.

Hang about, what do I have then? Some manner of worms game, let me check.

It was Worms WMD. I’m so very sorry.
Title: Re: Worms Armageddon
Post by: The Mollusk on January 07, 2021, 05:48:23 AM
I’m pretty sure what you actually did was type “have I got worms” into Web MD and you are now frantically trying to cover your tracks. It’s not working.
Title: Re: Worms Armageddon
Post by: machotrouts on January 07, 2021, 05:52:13 AM
To start a match, one player must "host": open the game > click "Play over a local area network or the Internet" > click "WormNET" > open the #PartyTime channel > click "Host" and set a name and password. Then the other player(s) go to the same place, select the room with that name, enter the password.

I was PMing Noodle Lizard as he was first to the thread, if everyone else is wondering why I'm snubbing them, BUT we have not successfully arranged a match yet. Should I cheat on him by PMing a different one of you now, or are we organising a big melee in this thread?

You can have up to 6 players in a match! With up to 8 worms each, if you want the map to be absolutely rammed to fuck. I've played matches of 8 of my worms vs 40 allied CPU worms.

Remember playing it online with dudes who were amazing with rope skills. That probably didn't help new players ;)

This is why I've not even DREAMED of taking on strangers online. They've had 21 years to develop insane alien skills. I've seen footage on YouTube and it's barely recognisable as the same game to me.
Title: Re: Worms Armageddon
Post by: St_Eddie on January 07, 2021, 06:07:58 AM
I'm free for the next few hours, machotrouts.  PM me if you want a match.
Title: Re: Worms Armageddon
Post by: popcorn on January 07, 2021, 10:35:00 AM
It was Worms WMD. I’m so very sorry.

What a Massive Dunce.
Title: Re: Worms Armageddon
Post by: St_Eddie on January 07, 2021, 10:41:24 AM
It's easy to tell Worms Armageddon and Worms WMD apart; one is a bona fide classic and the other is a honking great steaming, over engineered and gimmicky pile of shit, not fit to lick the boots of the former.
Title: Re: Worms Armageddon
Post by: St_Eddie on January 07, 2021, 10:44:38 AM
In other, less scathing news; machotrouts and I had our Worms Armageddon match and the end result was... a draw.

Fun times were had by all (two) people though.  Come on then, where are the rest of ya?  Let's be havin' ya.

Crikey, I've suddenly turned into Delia Smith!
Title: Re: Worms Armageddon
Post by: machotrouts on January 07, 2021, 11:14:22 AM
More specifically, one match St_Eddie won (2-0, trouncings), followed by one match I won (2-1, skin of my teeth). Thankfully no individual rounds were ties, there was a close one where I could have forced a tie if I was a coward but I tried to win instead, and lost.

It was fun. It's disorientating playing against a human with their own distinct human tactics after all the time I've spent playing against CPU bots, and having to adjust my own tactics accordingly. Humans know to use ninja rope and girders and they chase you around the map. Scary!
Title: Re: Worms Armageddon
Post by: Malcy on January 07, 2021, 11:18:19 AM
6 players sounds like great fun but I'll play with however many we can get together.

I'll have a look at the online bit now and see how it all works.
Title: Re: Worms Armageddon
Post by: St_Eddie on January 07, 2021, 11:21:31 AM
I was thinking that we should all have one big bumming session... sorry, I mean worming session and that we (or at least those of us who feel confident enough) should all hook up on microphones via Discord whilst we play.  It would be a grand ol' time, I reckon.

It's disorientating playing against a human with their own distinct human tactics after all the time I've spent playing against CPU bots, and having to adjust my own tactics accordingly. Humans know to use ninja rope and girders and they chase you around the map. Scary!

Ah ha!  My AI sub-routines are finally fooling the pitiful humans! Yes, I agree.
Title: Re: Worms Armageddon
Post by: Malcy on January 07, 2021, 11:24:06 AM
I was thinking that we should all have one big bumming session... sorry, I mean worming session and that we (or at least those of us who feel confident enough) should all hook up on microphones via Discord.  It would be a grand ol' time, I reckon.

Ah ha!  My AI sub-routines are finally fooling the pitiful humans! Yeah, I agree.

I’ve heard of Discord but that’s it. Suppose I should start dragging myself up a bit tech wise!
Title: Re: Worms Armageddon
Post by: St_Eddie on January 07, 2021, 11:25:26 AM
I’ve heard of Discord but that’s it. Suppose I should start dragging myself up a bit tech wise!

Please do!  I've played against people on Worms before, whilst simultaneously chatting on Discord and it's a hoot and a holler!  You get to say things like "oh, you incompetent tit" and "you massive bellend" in real-time.  It's brilliant!  No fear of physical repercussions whatsoever!
Title: Re: Worms Armageddon
Post by: Malcy on January 07, 2021, 11:35:55 AM
I’m in the part time thing and tried to join a game but got booted out. Probably for not being Russian like the rest of them!

Please do!  I've played against people on Worms before, whilst simultaneously chatting on Discord and it's a hoot and a holler!  You get to say things like "oh, you incompetent tit" and "you massive bellend" in real-time.  It's brilliant!  No fear of physical repercussions whatsoever!

Great stuff I’ll get Discord up and running at some point today hopefully.
Title: Re: Worms Armageddon
Post by: Malcy on January 07, 2021, 11:46:24 AM
Currently in a match and have lost 2 worms and dealt no damage. People are back flipping and using the parachute to lift themselves up!
Title: Re: Worms Armageddon
Post by: St_Eddie on January 07, 2021, 11:48:46 AM
...tried to join a game but got booted out. Probably for not being Russian like the rest of them!

Indeed.  That happens a lot.  On days when I'm feeling grumpy, I rejoin their launch room and have a pop at them and instruct them to "learn to host private matches, you thick cunts.  This is a public match, you stupid morons!".  After all, it's considered incredibly poor etiquette to kick people out from a public match without good reason (especially when they suddenly decide to kick you out after you've been waiting patiently for the game to commence for 5 minutes).  Not exactly proper etiquette to scream obscenities at bewildered Russians either, but still...

Great stuff I’ll get Discord up and running at some point today hopefully.

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Title: Re: Worms Armageddon
Post by: Malcy on January 07, 2021, 12:01:07 PM
Not sure I like this. I’m going to have to put a few hours in first or try plugging in a controller.
Title: Re: Worms Armageddon
Post by: popcorn on January 07, 2021, 12:05:01 PM
Urgh well jealous of this. I'm probably going to end up getting a PC in the next few months so please keep playing until then.

What sort of rules are you using? Please don't tell me infinite banana bombs.
Title: Re: Worms Armageddon
Post by: St_Eddie on January 07, 2021, 12:11:54 PM
Not sure I like this. I’m going to have to put a few hours in first or try plugging in a controller.

I looked into doing this myself, via a third party key strokes to joypad piece of software but unfortunately it's not really feasible.  You'd be at an extreme disadvantage because you'd be using your analogue stick as a mouse cursor to select weapons, which would take around 3 times as long to select your weapon/item than it would with a mouse.  Not exactly ideal in a game where the clock is ticking.  It would be lovely if Team 17 released a patch to support full controller support, but realistically that's never gonna happen.

What sort of rules are you using? Please don't tell me infinite banana bombs.

Not on my watch, Sir.  Infinite banana bombs are the cowards way oot.  Infinite blowtorches and fuck all else is my game.  My matches last 14 hours and I win every time because everyone else quits out of boredom.  I am boss at Worms by default.
Title: Re: Worms Armageddon
Post by: popcorn on January 07, 2021, 12:17:13 PM
I looked into doing this myself, via a third party key strokes to joypad piece of software but unfortunately it's not really feasible.  You'd be at an extreme disadvantage because you'd be using your analogue stick as a mouse cursor to select weapons, which would take around 3 times as long to do than it would with a mouse.

It might work because the game already requires you to move between keyboard (space/enter+arrow keys) and mouse  - not using them simultaneously like a FPS. Maybe you'd just move between mouse and controller instead.
Title: Re: Worms Armageddon
Post by: Malcy on January 07, 2021, 12:19:27 PM
First game done. Took nearly half an hr then I just exited after I was out. The map was shite, no one was really in a position to attack each other with the limited weapons there was.

I looked into doing this myself, via a third party key strokes to joypad piece of software but unfortunately it's not really feasible.  You'd be at an extreme disadvantage because you'd be using your analogue stick as a mouse cursor to select weapons, which would take around 3 times as long to select your weapon/item than it would with a mouse.  Not exactly ideal in a game where the clock is ticking.  It would be lovely if Team 17 released a patch to support full controller support, but realistically that's never gonna happen.

That's a bollocks. It takes seconds to attack when I play on Xbox. I thought at first that a controller wouldn't be as good as a keyboard and mouse but it turned out to be much easier. Maybe I'm just too used to it now. Think the last one I played on PC was Worms World Party.
Title: Re: Worms Armageddon
Post by: St_Eddie on January 07, 2021, 12:20:59 PM
It might work because the game already requires you to move between keyboard (space/enter+arrow keys) and mouse  - not using them simultaneously like a FPS. Maybe you'd just move between mouse and controller instead.

Theoretically that would be possible, yes.  There's a chasm of difference between alternating between mouse/keyboard and joypad/keyboard though, as one has the player with both hands upon both keyboard and mouse at once and the other has you awkwardly switching between the two.

That's a bollocks. It takes seconds to attack when I play on Xbox. I thought at first that a controller wouldn't be as good as a keyboard and mouse but it turned out to be much easier. Maybe I'm just too used to it now. Think the last one I played on PC was Worms World Party.

It's not bollocks because the XBox version of the game is setup to use the pad as default; the port is literally build around that setup and redesigned from the ground up to support it.  The PC version is setup to use the keyboard and mouse.  In order to use a controller, one has to make use of a third party piece of software to remap the keys and the PC version is not designed to accommodate that.  When you select weapons on the XBox version, I imagine that you can use the d-pad to move around the grid.  You can forget about that if you try it on the PC; you'd literally be emulating the mouse cursor with your analogue stick; slowly positioning it and highlighting the weapon/item you want to select.  It's not realistically workable.
Title: Re: Worms Armageddon
Post by: machotrouts on January 07, 2021, 12:21:51 PM
What sort of rules are you using? Please don't tell me infinite banana bombs.

My go-to settings, or at least the ones I used with St_Eddie just there, are just 'Intermediate' but with 60 seconds a turn instead of 45, and with dud mines disabled. Anyone who plays me, let me know if you want something different because I'll probably default to that unless otherwise specified! (Dud mines non-negotiable because I hate them. Why is that even a game mechanic. Bewildering)
Title: Re: Worms Armageddon
Post by: popcorn on January 07, 2021, 12:27:18 PM
(Dud mines non-negotiable because I hate them. Why is that even a game mechanic. Bewildering)

I think the logic is that it gives worms a lucky escape from time to time, but it feels unfair to me because they will just ruin people's plans randomly through no fault of their own. Turn em off.
Title: Re: Worms Armageddon
Post by: St_Eddie on January 07, 2021, 12:28:43 PM
My go-to settings, or at least the ones I used with St_Eddie just there, are just 'Intermediate' but with 60 seconds a turn instead of 45, and with dud mines disabled. Anyone who plays me, let me know if you want something different because I'll probably default to that unless otherwise specified! (Dud mines non-negotiable because I hate them. Why is that even a game mechanic. Bewildering)

My sole request is; rope knocking!  I feel lost without it.
Title: Re: Worms Armageddon
Post by: Malcy on January 07, 2021, 12:30:53 PM
Theoretically that would be possible, yes.  There's a chasm of difference between alternating between mouse/keyboard and joypad/keyboard though, as one has the player with both hands upon both keyboard and mouse at once and the other has you awkwardly switching between the two.

It's not bollocks because the XBox version of the game is setup to use the pad as default; the port is literally build around that setup and redesigned from the ground up to support it.  The PC version is setup to use the keyboard and mouse.  In order to use a controller, one has to make use of a third party piece of software to remap the keys and the PC version is not designed to accommodate that.

Sorry I didn’t mean you were talking bollocks, just that it’s a shame there’s no proper controller support.
Title: Re: Worms Armageddon
Post by: St_Eddie on January 07, 2021, 12:37:19 PM
Sorry I didn’t mean you were talking bollocks, just that it’s a shame there’s no proper controller support.

I agree that it's a shame.  The two things which I'd like to see patched within Worms Armageddon are...

1/ Proper controller support.

2/ A ranking system which gives players a rating.  Every time you win a match; 2 points.  Every time you play a match to completion; 1 point.  Every time you quit a match before it's finished; -2 points.  Quitters are a massive problem in online Worms Armageddon.  They are the scum of the Earth.  "Ooohhhh, somebody is beating me. I will quit and waste their time because I am a massive baby!".  People like that need to be flagged for the petulant losers that they are.
Title: Re: Worms Armageddon
Post by: Malcy on January 07, 2021, 12:51:31 PM
I agree that it's a shame.  The two things which I'd like to see patched within Worms Armageddon are...

1/ Proper controller support.

2/ A ranking system which gives players a rating.  Every time you win a match; 2 points.  Every time you play a match to completion; 1 point.  Every time you quit a match before it's finished; -2 points.  Quitters are a massive problem in online Worms Armageddon.  They are the scum of the Earth.  "Ooohhhh, somebody is beating me. I will quit and waste their time because I am a massive baby!".  People like that need to be flagged for the petulant losers that they are.

I don't online game much but this used to be a huge problem in GTA. A friend of mine years ago would yank the controller cord so hard that his PS2 would switch off somehow any time he was losing a racing game!
Title: Re: Worms Armageddon
Post by: St_Eddie on January 07, 2021, 12:53:39 PM
I don't online game much but this used to be a huge problem in GTA. A friend of mine years ago would yank the controller cord so hard that his PS2 would switch off somehow any time he was losing a racing game!

I can't stand that sort of thing, I really can't.  It's pathetic behaviour; proper egocentric.  Whenever I'm losing at an online game, I stay until the bitter end.  After all, my opponent deserves the victory which they worked hard to achieve.  Fuck your ego, moron.  Nobody gives a flying fuck about your precious little ego, other than you.  Learn to accept a defeat with humility and acceptance.  It proper pisses me off when stupid little overgrown babies rage quit.  Do they actually think that it somehow negates their loss?  Do they not realise that by quitting it only further reinforces their status as a loser?  Absolutely fucking pathetic behaviour.  Can't stand it.  There's so many damn Trumps playing online games.  Grow. The. Fuck. Up.

On that note, do you know what I used to do when playing Wipeout HD on my PS3?  I got really good at the game (I'm not boasting; it took dozens of hours) and would often find myself playing against a player far below my skill level.  I would purposefully slow down to allow them to catch up, but without making it obvious that I was doing so.  I did so because I wanted them to have a good time and to have a chance of snatching victory from the jaws of defeat.  It's called sportsmanship.  I just can't stand egocentric wankers.  Their obsession with protecting their ego from bruises; their selfish nature; seriously, just fuck them.  Cunts, the lot of them.
Title: Re: Worms Armageddon
Post by: popcorn on January 07, 2021, 01:03:11 PM
2/ A ranking system which gives players a rating.  Every time you win a match; 2 points.  Every time you play a match to completion; 1 point.  Every time you quit a match before it's finished; -2 points.  Quitters are a massive problem in online Worms Armageddon.  They are the scum of the Earth.  "Ooohhhh, somebody is beating me. I will quit and waste their time because I am a massive baby!".  People like that need to be flagged for the petulant losers that they are.

That would be great but would also require them to patch their dodgy network code that used to disconnect people randomly half the bloody time.
Title: Re: Worms Armageddon
Post by: Rich Uncle Skeleton on January 07, 2021, 06:17:40 PM
Anyone fancy a game tonight?
Title: Re: Worms Armageddon
Post by: popcorn on January 07, 2021, 06:19:43 PM
I agree that it's a shame.  The two things which I'd like to see patched within Worms Armageddon are...

Also, I want to be able to set mine fuses like grenades, and have mine fuse times be visible above mines (which you could hide with a key, like worm names/health). It's unfair to have to get people to check the rules for fuse lengths each time before the game starts, and it's especially unfair when mines set by worms and worms already on the landscape have different fuse lengths but look identical.
Title: Re: Worms Armageddon
Post by: billyandthecloneasaurus on January 15, 2021, 10:42:57 PM
PLAYING IN 10 MINS PM ME YOU CUNTS
Title: Re: Worms Armageddon
Post by: Malcy on January 16, 2021, 01:06:31 PM
Still haven't played this. When I have the laptop hooked up to the tv with HDMI the game goes really small and no amount of fannying about will get it to go full screen.

Edit - Never mind, it goes full when I start a game.
Title: Re: Worms Armageddon
Post by: peanutbutter on January 22, 2021, 08:27:59 PM
2/ A ranking system which gives players a rating.  Every time you win a match; 2 points.  Every time you play a match to completion; 1 point.  Every time you quit a match before it's finished; -2 points.  Quitters are a massive problem in online Worms Armageddon.  They are the scum of the Earth.  "Ooohhhh, somebody is beating me. I will quit and waste their time because I am a massive baby!".  People like that need to be flagged for the petulant losers that they are.
It'd be better on both sides imo, as someone who is shit at many many games a hugely offputting part of online gaming is that there doesn't seem to be a universally polite way to be like "well, I'm very obviously ludicrously outmatched in this and it's a waste of both our times"

Would you prefer they just spent 5 minutes suiciding their characters after a few moves?
Title: Re: Worms Armageddon
Post by: St_Eddie on January 22, 2021, 09:22:13 PM
It'd be better on both sides imo, as someone who is shit at many many games a hugely offputting part of online gaming is that there doesn't seem to be a universally polite way to be like "well, I'm very obviously ludicrously outmatched in this and it's a waste of both our times"

I was shit at the game when I first started playing.  It's not like I started playing and was instantly brilliant and winning loads of matches.  I lost match after match after match.  Not once did I quit.  I kept playing and slowly improved.  That's how one gets better at a game; learning from your mistakes and adapting, as well as observing the tactics of more skilled players.  There's absolutely no excuse for quitting a match halfway through.  It's poor gaming etiquette and downright rude.

Also, it should be noted that 99% of quitters are people who are doing fine in a match and then they make one, single mistake halfway through and they insta-quit.  It's fuck all to do with them not being skilled enough; it's just a bunch of wankers with bruised egos, who can't handle not playing the "perfect" game or even entertaining the possibility of not winning.

Would you prefer they just spent 5 minutes suiciding their characters after a few moves?

No, because that would be equally obnoxious.  If people are incapable of playing an online match to completion, then they shouldn't play online matches.  Simple as.
Title: Re: Worms Armageddon
Post by: bgmnts on January 22, 2021, 09:25:17 PM
I was shit at the game when I first started playing.  It's not like I started playing and was instantly brilliant and winning loads of matches.  I lost match after match after match.  Not once did I quit.  I kept playing and slowly improved.  That's how one gets better at a game; learning from your mistakes and adapting, as well as observing the tactics of more skilled players.  There's absolutely no excuse for quitting a match halfway through.  it's poor gaming etiquette and downright rude.

No, because that would be equally obnoxious.  If people are incapable of playing an online match to completion, then they shouldn't play online matches.  Simple as.

I've played plenty of online gaming matches that just simply weren't fun, or they were glitchy and laggy, or even just I was majorly underlevelled or its a shite pay to win multiplayer. I think it's alright to quit during a game.
Title: Re: Worms Armageddon
Post by: St_Eddie on January 22, 2021, 09:27:38 PM
I've played plenty of online gaming matches that just simply weren't fun, or they were glitchy and laggy, or even just I was majorly underlevelled or its a shite pay to win multiplayer. I think it's alright to quit during a game.

You've just listed a load of qualifiers for quitting online games in general.  It's alright to quit during a game such as Counter-Strike, where you have multiple players dropping in or out of a server, but this is the Worms Armageddon thread; I'm talking about Worms Armageddon.  It's not acceptable behaviour to quit halfway through a match of a game such as Worms Armageddon, where the players are set in stone at the start of the match.  It's just not on.  It ruins the entire match for everyone else, much less when someone quits halfway through a 1v1 game.  There's absolutely no excuse for it.
Title: Re: Worms Armageddon
Post by: popcorn on January 22, 2021, 09:31:57 PM
It's alright to quit during a game such as Counter-Strike, where you have multiple players dropping in or out of a server.  It's not acceptable behaviour to quit halfway through a match of a game such as *Worms*, where the players are set in stone at the start of the match.  It's just not on.  It ruins the entire match for everyone else, much less when someone quits halfway through a 1v1 game.  There's absolutely no excuse for it.

I can see both sides. I think it's a tall order to demand someone sit through a glitchy, laggy game, or a game that's just otherwise boring or not fun, when Worms games can take, like, an hour or something. It's an interesting design problem though, there are probably things that could be done about it.

I don't recall ever having fun playing with randos in WA, for a variety of reasons. It was always a very social event with real or online mates, and whose skill levels you knew so people could team up or whatever. Even then I remember the network code being so shite people would drop out unintentionally with irritating regularity.

Is the reason you have all so far failed to chip in towards the purchase of a Windows machine for me to join in because you are all afraid of losing??
Title: Re: Worms Armageddon
Post by: St_Eddie on January 22, 2021, 09:37:30 PM
I can see both sides. I think it's a tall order to demand someone sit through a glitchy, laggy game

Neither of which apply to Worms Armageddon.

...when Worms games can take, like, an hour or something.

The vast majority of matches in Worms Armageddon take around 15 minutes.  Sudden Death, which typically kicks in after 15 minutes, is enabled by default and applies to approximately 95% of online matches.

I don't recall ever having fun playing with randos in WA.

If you did, then I pretty much guarantee that you'd quickly learn why it's a fucking annoyance when idiots quit halfway through a match of Worms Armageddon.  it's a sizeable problem with online matches against strangers and it's absolutely considered to be extremely poor etiquette among the community.  I don't think you appreciate how frustrating and time wasting it is to have quitters RUIN a match halfway through and for it to happen in 1 out of 4 matches.  The two biggest problems in online Worms Armageddon are quitters and racist, foul mouthed trolls.
Title: Re: Worms Armageddon
Post by: popcorn on January 22, 2021, 09:40:44 PM
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I don't think you appreciate how frustrating and time wasting it is to have quitters RUIN a match halfway through and for it to happen in one out of four matches.

Why do you think I haven't experienced that? I said I never had much fun playing with randos.
Title: Re: Worms Armageddon
Post by: popcorn on January 22, 2021, 09:41:56 PM
Neither of which apply to Worms Armageddon.

Used to be laggy as fuck back in the day, with games often hanging for like 30-60-90 seconds, maybe longer. That bloody network problem icon bouncing up and down. Maybe the netcode is better these days.
Title: Re: Worms Armageddon
Post by: St_Eddie on January 22, 2021, 09:42:33 PM
Used to be laggy as fuck back in the day, with games often hanging for like 30-60-90 seconds, maybe longer. That bloody network problem icon bouncing up and down. Maybe the netcode is better these days.

It is.  It doesn't sound like you've played online with strangers in ages.
Title: Re: Worms Armageddon
Post by: popcorn on January 22, 2021, 09:51:14 PM
Haven't played WA full stop for about 5 years no. As I keep moaning in this thread, got no Windows machine. Can't you people take a hint and set up a charity fund??

The experience of people just bailing out of a game is definitely frustrating (believe me I have experienced this), and I think it is a worthwhile problem to think about. However I don't think the solution is necessarily obvious, and the solution you propose has certain design costs; sometimes people have good reasons for wanting or needing to quit a game, and it might have the effect of discouraging new players for fear of commitment. And while the solution works for other ranked games that are lower-impact in terms of time and lower-cost in terms of quitting, it wouldn't be so straightforward for WA.

I am surprised, I have to say, that WA isn't better supported by T17 at this point. I could see it still being played in relatively large numbers online in the way lots of older PC games are, if they just... tidied it up a bit, came up with solutions to problems like the ragequitting one (because it is a problem), oh and ported it to Mac. Suppose it'd be hard to monetise?
Title: Re: Worms Armageddon
Post by: St_Eddie on January 23, 2021, 12:25:21 AM
A well reasoned response, popcorn.  I'm in agreement with pretty much everything you say.  I will just note though that the vast majority of quitters in Worms Armageddon are the rage quitters of which you speak.  I can count them in the hundreds.  I can count people who may have quit for other reasons on both hands and a foot, if that.
Title: Re: Worms Armageddon
Post by: billyandthecloneasaurus on January 23, 2021, 10:31:12 PM
PLAYING IMMINENTLY , we are quite shit. lemme know if you wanna play xx
Title: Re: Worms Armageddon
Post by: Malcy on January 23, 2021, 11:52:17 PM
This version of Worms makes me want to delete Steam. I really don't like it. It's slow, Worms slide all over the landscape and the weapons are shite. Going to give it a few more tries in the hope that I feel differently but can't be doing with it at all.
Title: Re: Worms Armageddon
Post by: popcorn on January 23, 2021, 11:56:26 PM
which version is that?
Title: Re: Worms Armageddon
Post by: Rich Uncle Skeleton on January 24, 2021, 09:23:39 AM
PLAYING IMMINENTLY , we are quite shit. lemme know if you wanna play xx

I keep seeing these a day late. You fancy a game in the week?
Title: Re: Worms Armageddon
Post by: MojoJojo on January 25, 2021, 10:43:04 AM
I am surprised, I have to say, that WA isn't better supported by T17 at this point. I could see it still being played in relatively large numbers online in the way lots of older PC games are, if they just... tidied it up a bit, came up with solutions to problems like the ragequitting one (because it is a problem), oh and ported it to Mac. Suppose it'd be hard to monetise?

They're still updating it (although mostly only bug fixes at this point) which is pretty impressive for a 20+ year old game. In terms of actually new content - they released Worms WMD in 2016, which went back to Armageddon for it's core gameplay. It generally gets good reviews but I've never known anyone to play it.

(it's £20 on Steam - but it might be heavily discounted in a sale so I'm going to watch it)
Title: Re: Worms Armageddon
Post by: St_Eddie on January 25, 2021, 05:53:57 PM
In terms of actually new content - they released Worms WMD in 2016, which went back to Armageddon for it's core gameplay. It generally gets good reviews but I've never known anyone to play it.

I own a copy.  It's decent but the problem is the titular weapons of mass destruction; there's turrets and tanks scattered around the map, which the player can make use of and these weapons/vehicles have their own health bar.  It overcomplicates things; losing the purity of the traditional Worms match in the process.  That's the issue with all of the subsequent games in the series after Worms Armageddon; they had already perfected the formula, so each sequel is now just trying to reinvent the wheel, or in the case of Team 17's latest effort; trying to appeal to the prepubescent Fortnite crowd (fucking floss dance and all) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqaADN-63xY).
Title: Re: Worms Armageddon
Post by: popcorn on March 09, 2021, 12:25:19 PM
Finally got a PC and I'm gagging to shove some banana bombs up yer bumholes. Anyone still playing this?
Title: Re: Worms Armageddon
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on March 09, 2021, 12:27:18 PM
No, get a Switch grandad.
Title: Re: Worms Armageddon
Post by: St_Eddie on March 09, 2021, 01:52:26 PM
Finally got a PC and I'm gagging to shove some banana bombs up yer bumholes. Anyone still playing this?

I am, popcorn.  I'll destroy you play against you sometime.
Title: Re: Worms Armageddon
Post by: popcorn on March 09, 2021, 01:57:17 PM
Ace. Well what with this bloody pandemic and everything I'm free most evenings from about 6pm UK time.
Title: Re: Worms Armageddon
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on March 09, 2021, 01:59:04 PM
Can’t believe neither of you grandads have got switches lmao
Title: Re: Worms Armageddon
Post by: popcorn on March 09, 2021, 02:16:04 PM
I've got one but I sent it to a friend in Germany because it is boring.
Title: Re: Worms Armageddon
Post by: St_Eddie on March 09, 2021, 04:09:21 PM
I've got one but I sent it to a friend in Germany because it is boring.

What's so boring about Germany?
Title: Re: Worms Armageddon
Post by: madhair60 on March 09, 2021, 09:28:43 PM
What's so boring about Germany?

Boehring.
Title: Re: Worms Armageddon
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on March 09, 2021, 09:46:59 PM
What's so boring about Germany?

Hamburg.
Title: Re: Worms Armageddon
Post by: popcorn on March 28, 2021, 12:46:21 PM
PLAY WORMS WITH ME YOU BASTARDS
Title: Re: Worms Armageddon
Post by: machotrouts on March 28, 2021, 02:04:58 PM
I'm available now and indeed most waking hours of my shitty little pointless vermin life