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Title: Jaws 2 (Shark Film Sequel)
Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on February 01, 2021, 02:37:03 PM: What does the panel make of this film?

It's an utterly cynical, cash-grabbing exercise, but as far as pointless sequels go it's better than it needs to be. Jaws is a masterpiece, obviously, whereas Jaws 2 is merely a competent film about a massive shark terrorising some kids. Nevertheless, while watching it again recently, I was struck by the fact that it never flags. There's no padding, it's a straightforward deadly shark thriller: a B-Movie with a major studio budget.

Jaws 2 Pros

Roy Scheider didn't want to make the film, but he was under contract and had no choice. He delivers a committed performance, despite knowing that the film he's in is fundamentally stupid. A pro. Hats off to Roy.

The mayor refusing to accept that Amity Island has another shark problem is quite funny. That's probably not intentional, but Vaughn is such a venal character, his actions are plausible within the context of an otherwise utterly implausible film.

I usually roll my eyes at cheap jump-scares, but the bit where Brody wades into the sea to investigate a suspicious piece of driftwood is brilliant.

There's also that bit at the start of the film where the shark hoves into shot without any warning. No John Williams cue, the bastard just suddenly appears. That works a treat.

The generic '70s teenagers are quite well-acted for the most part. They're not rounded characters, but you do feel invested in their fate. The final act, in which the shark is hellbent on eating them all, is suspenseful. And when one of them actually does get eaten, right in front of lil Brody's eyes, well that's a rather brutal moment, isn't it?

"Just When You Thought It Was Safe to Go Back in the Water" is the greatest film poster tagline ever.

Jaws 2 Cons

It's a film in which a predatory great white shark terrorises an island community again. The chances of that happening once are far-fetched, but who cares? Spielberg draws you in. The chances of it happening twice, well that's just laughable.

The mayor's actions aren't plausible at all, despite what I said earlier. He only behaves in that way because the film demands it.

It contains a notorious shot in which the shark blatantly bends, like a rubbery finger puppet, when it brushes against the side of a boat. You can also see a metal rod inside its mouth. Boring people wang on about how fake Bruce looks (I don't think he does, for the most part anyway), but there is nothing in Jaws as egregious as that.

Jaws 2 eats a helicopter, but I actually quite like that scene. It's amusing. So maybe that should go in the Pros column.

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I am bored, yes.
Title: Re: Jaws 2 (Shark Film Sequel)
Post by: Shit Good Nose on February 01, 2021, 02:45:06 PM: I've always said as far as completely pointless and unnecessary sequels go, Jaws 2 is up there - several genuinely decent moments (and a few - like Brody looking at the photo, the watchtower, the burnt body reveal and the chopper moment being nearly as iconic as anything in the first film), and as you say still one of the greatest tag lines of all time.

It's fine.

Whether the original shooting script (Amity as a broken struggling ghost town after the events of the first film) would have made for a better viewing experience is anyone's guess.
Title: Re: Jaws 2 (Shark Film Sequel)
Post by: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on February 01, 2021, 02:46:17 PM: It's a different film. It's a very different film. It's a different shark!
Title: Re: Jaws 2 (Shark Film Sequel)
Post by: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on February 01, 2021, 02:48:36 PM: Quote from: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on February 01, 2021, 02:37:03 PM
"Just When You Thought It Was Safe to Go Back in the Water" is the greatest film poster tagline ever.
Better than "In space, no one can hear you scream"?
Title: Re: Jaws 2 (Shark Film Sequel)
Post by: Shit Good Nose on February 01, 2021, 02:53:01 PM: Quote from: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on February 01, 2021, 02:48:36 PM
Better than "In space, no one can hear you scream"?

I would say it's equally as good.

I'd also like to nominate Alien Vs. Predator's "Whoever wins, we lose", but Jaws 2 is definitely a MUCH better film than AVP.
Title: Re: Jaws 2 (Shark Film Sequel)
Post by: St_Eddie on February 01, 2021, 02:57:43 PM: Jaws: The Revenge is a more entertaining watch but Jaws 2 is alright enough. Jaws 3 is the worst.

I wish that they had stuck with the original plan for a followup to Jaws; the prequel about Quint and the U.S.S Indianapolis. That's just about the only story I can think of which would have actually felt like a justifiable expansion of the first.

Quote from: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on February 01, 2021, 02:37:03 PM
It's a film in which a predatory great white shark terrorises an island community again. The chances of that happening once are far-fetched, but who cares? Spielberg draws you in. The chances of it happening twice, well that's just laughable.

"Always two, there are. A master and an apprentice."

Oh, sorry. Wrong franchise.
Title: Re: Jaws 2 (Shark Film Sequel)
Post by: Bazooka on February 01, 2021, 02:59:42 PM: The beach goers look at Brody like he is a piece of shit when he sees the blue fish school and clears them out the water, are they forgetting he blew up a near invincible shark a year or so ago.
Title: Re: Jaws 2 (Shark Film Sequel)
Post by: St_Eddie on February 01, 2021, 03:03:16 PM: Quote from: Shit Good Nose on February 01, 2021, 02:53:01 PM
I'd also like to nominate Alien Vs. Predator's "Whoever wins, we lose"

I hate that tagline almost as much as I hate the movie itself. Having said that, it is a rather apt tagline if one considers the "we" as meaning the audience.
Title: Re: Jaws 2 (Shark Film Sequel)
Post by: AsparagusTrevor on February 01, 2021, 03:07:16 PM: If it wasn't for the amazing first film, Jaws 2 would probably be a good standalone movie. However, the references to previous events and the "2" in the title would admittedly be a bit weird.
Title: Re: Jaws 2 (Shark Film Sequel)
Post by: Shit Good Nose on February 01, 2021, 03:08:40 PM: Quote from: St_Eddie on February 01, 2021, 02:57:43 PM
I wish they'd stuck with the original plan for a followup to Jaws; the prequel about Quint and the U.S.S Indianapolis. That's just about the only story I can think of which would have actually felt like a justifiable expansion of the first.

Universal still have that in their back pocket for a rainy day.

Also, RE Jaws 3 - I'd still take it over The Revenge in pure entertainment terms (although both are still objectively terrible). If nothing else 3 does have a genuinely - properly genuinely - amazing sound mix. Seriously, in the (very unlikely) event it ever plays in a cinema again, I HIGHLY recommend giving it a go. They really did do a serious good job on that like they were working on a decent film.
Title: Re: Jaws 2 (Shark Film Sequel)
Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on February 01, 2021, 03:13:53 PM: Quote from: Shit Good Nose on February 01, 2021, 02:45:06 PM
Whether the original shooting script (Amity as a broken struggling ghost town after the events of the first film) would have made for a better viewing experience is anyone's guess.

Indeed. Based on everything I've read about that shooting script, it sounds like a dour, albeit intriguing, New Hollywood film about a middle-class island community refusing to accept their complicity in the shark shitstorm of July 1975. A cynical, pessimistic film, as was the style at the time.

I'm not surprised that it never got made, as all Universal wanted was a basic cash-in sequel. But the fact that they started shooting a version of that screenplay, albeit for only a couple of weeks, is interesting. The execs weren't happy with the rushes, were they? Too downbeat. Where's the shark? That's my understanding anyway.

I know that one of the few (only?) scenes from the aborted shoot is the shark's fin silently breaking above the waves, while the moneyed residents of Amity Island celebrate themselves. Quite a nice shot, that.
Title: Re: Jaws 2 (Shark Film Sequel)
Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on February 01, 2021, 03:21:09 PM: Quote from: Bazooka on February 01, 2021, 02:59:42 PM
The beach goers look at Brody like he is a piece of shit when he sees the blue fish school and clears them out the water, are they forgetting he blew up a near invincible shark a year or so ago.

I suppose you could argue that Jaws 2 functions as a despairing, timeless satire. The masses are morons with short memories, they ignore those rare public figures who genuinely want to help them while voting for the cunts who persistently make their lives a misery.

Jaws 2 doesn't actually have a point, but that's one way of looking at it. If you like.
Title: Re: Jaws 2 (Shark Film Sequel)
Post by: Shit Good Nose on February 01, 2021, 03:25:50 PM: Quote from: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on February 01, 2021, 03:13:53 PM
Indeed. Based on everything I've read about that shooting script, it sounds like a dour, albeit intriguing, New Hollywood film about a middle-class island community refusing to accept their complicity in the shark shitstorm of July 1975. A cynical, pessimistic film, as was the style at the time.

I'm not surprised that it never got made, as all Universal wanted was a basic cash-in sequel. But the fact that they started shooting a version of that screenplay, albeit for only a couple of weeks, is interesting. The execs weren't happy with the rushes, were they? Too downbeat. Where's the shark? That's my understanding anyway.

I know that one of the few (only?) scenes from the aborted shoot is the shark's fin silently breaking above the waves, while the moneyed residents of Amity Island celebrate themselves. Quite a nice shot, that.

The novelisation includes plot details from the original shooting script (dodgy aldermen dealings ["ROBERT! ROBERT!!!!!"] with the mafia to get a casino built in order to turn around the town's fortunes etc) and also contrives why it's happening again (Jaws 2 is pregnant with Jaws 1's baby). It has quite a strong following of people who think it's better than the film. Been a LONG time since I read it, but I certainly preferred it over Benchley's original, which I still think is absolute dog shit.

Genuinely brilliant reading, though, is The Jaws 2 Log, and the story behind that is interesting in itself - written by a journeyman entertainment freelancer, who was originally sent to location to do some basic interviews with lead cast and crew which would have ended up in a number of entertainment magazines. Ended up staying for the duration of the shoot and recording the highs and lows of the whole production.
Title: Re: Jaws 2 (Shark Film Sequel)
Post by: St_Eddie on February 01, 2021, 03:31:14 PM: Quote from: Shit Good Nose on February 01, 2021, 03:25:50 PM
Genuinely brilliant reading, though, is The Jaws 2 Log, and the story behind that is interesting in itself...

Some would argue that Jaws 2 itself is the log. A steaming hot log.

Book sounds interesting though. I'll likely check that out at some point. Ta.
Title: Re: Jaws 2 (Shark Film Sequel)
Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on February 01, 2021, 03:31:22 PM: Quote from: Shit Good Nose on February 01, 2021, 03:08:40 PM
Universal still have that in their back pocket for a rainy day.

Also, RE Jaws 3 - I'd still take it over The Revenge in pure entertainment terms (although both are still objectively terrible). If nothing else 3 does have a genuinely - properly genuinely - amazing sound mix. Seriously, in the (very unlikely) event it ever plays in a cinema again, I HIGHLY recommend giving it a go. They really did do a serious good job on that like they were working on a decent film.

Interesting. I'd love to see it in the cinema, for those sound mix reasons alone. I was nine when Jaws: This Time It's Sea World hit the screens like a 3-D battering ram, so I wasn't allowed. You can imagine my excitement upon receiving the free 3-D glasses given away with the TV Times when it received its UK TV premiere a few years later.

I have to disagree, though, I think Jaws: The Revenge is one of the very few So Bad It's Good films. I find it entertaining. Jaws 3 is a bore.
Title: Re: Jaws 2 (Shark Film Sequel)
Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on February 01, 2021, 03:34:23 PM: Quote from: Shit Good Nose on February 01, 2021, 03:25:50 PM
Genuinely brilliant reading, though, is The Jaws 2 Log, and the story behind that is interesting in itself - written by a journeyman entertainment freelancer, who was originally sent to location to do some basic interviews with lead cast and crew which would have ended up in a number of entertainment magazines. Ended up staying for the duration of the shoot and recording the highs and lows of the whole production.

Oh my, I've never heard of this! Ta, I must track it down. I love Gottlieb's Jaws Log, it captures the day-to-day reality of making an 'accidental masterpiece' more than any of the Jaws documentaries I've watched, but a similar book about the making of Jaws 2 sounds so enticing: How We Made A Disappointing Sequel.

EDIT: That last bit sounds sarcastic. I wasn't being sarcastic.
Title: Re: Jaws 2 (Shark Film Sequel)
Post by: St_Eddie on February 01, 2021, 03:35:19 PM: Quote from: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on February 01, 2021, 03:31:22 PM
I think Jaws: The Revenge is one of the very few So Bad It's Good films. I find it entertaining. Jaws 3 is a bore.

I 100% agree. Jaws: The Revenge is a hoot; top entertainment value. Jaws 3 is a snoozefest with one good scene; the shark eating the diver in the tunnel and him ending up frantically flailing around alive, fully inside its mouth; logically absurd but also effectively unnerving, much like a nightmare captured on film.
Title: Re: Jaws 2 (Shark Film Sequel)
Post by: Shit Good Nose on February 01, 2021, 03:36:32 PM: I'm sorry, but The Revenge doesn't have Shelby Overman.

Case closed.

Quote from: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on February 01, 2021, 03:34:23 PM
Oh my, I've never heard of this! Ta, I must track it down.

Every bit as good as Carl Gottlieb's The Jaws Log.
Title: Re: Jaws 2 (Shark Film Sequel)
Post by: St_Eddie on February 01, 2021, 03:37:58 PM: Quote from: Shit Good Nose on February 01, 2021, 03:36:32 PM
Every bit as good as Carl Gottlieb's The Jaws Log.

Now I'm imagining Jaws sat onboard a starship, making an audio record of his thoughts.
Title: Re: Jaws 2 (Shark Film Sequel)
Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on February 01, 2021, 03:45:39 PM: Quote from: St_Eddie on February 01, 2021, 03:35:19 PM
I 100% agree. Jaws: The Revenge is a hoot; top entertainment value. Jaws 3 is a snoozefest with one good scene; the shark eating the diver in the tunnel and him ending up frantically flailing around alive, fully inside its mouth; logically absurd but also effectively unnerving, much like a nightmare captured on film.

Apart from the notorious shot of an immobile Jaws bath toy drifting towards the undersea HQ, that's the only scene anyone ever remembers from Jaws 3. I agree, it's nightmarish.

Quint being bitten in half by Bruce is horrific because it's realistic. That bloke inside Jaws 3's mouth exists in another realm of horror.
Title: Re: Jaws 2 (Shark Film Sequel)
Post by: Shit Good Nose on February 01, 2021, 03:56:32 PM: MMMM AHHHH MMMMM AHHHH MMMMMM AHHHHH

etc
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Post by: AsparagusTrevor on February 01, 2021, 04:08:14 PM: Jaws 3 is worthless unless it's in its headache-inducing 3D version. From the era of throwing/poking as much out of the screen as possible, at all costs, even if it means turning the entire audience permanently cross-eyed.
Title: Re: Jaws 2 (Shark Film Sequel)
Post by: St_Eddie on February 01, 2021, 04:50:10 PM: Quote from: AsparagusTrevor on February 01, 2021, 04:08:14 PM
Jaws 3 is worthless unless it's in its headache-inducing 3D version. From the era of throwing/poking as much out of the screen as possible, at all costs, even if it means turning the entire audience permanently cross-eyed.

(https://i.imgur.com/hRnQllZ.jpg)

Yet another poor unfortunate victim, among a generation of people who watched Jaws 3D as a kid.
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Post by: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on February 01, 2021, 04:54:57 PM: Should have not gone to Specsavers and joined Carl Reiner's class action lawsuit.

(https://mickeymills.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/carlreiner.jpg)
Title: Re: Jaws 2 (Shark Film Sequel)
Post by: Brundle-Fly on February 01, 2021, 07:38:43 PM: Which is the one with Razors from The Long Good Friday?
Title: Re: Jaws 2 (Shark Film Sequel)
Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on February 01, 2021, 09:43:02 PM: Quote from: Brundle-Fly on February 01, 2021, 07:38:43 PM
Which is the one with Razors from The Long Good Friday?

Jaws 3-D.
Title: Re: Jaws 2 (Shark Film Sequel)
Post by: Shit Good Nose on February 01, 2021, 09:49:18 PM: Guv.
Title: Re: Jaws 2 (Shark Film Sequel)
Post by: Replies From View on February 01, 2021, 11:05:41 PM: I didn't know Jaws 2 was already out
Title: Re: Jaws 2 (Shark Film Sequel)
Post by: Shit Good Nose on February 01, 2021, 11:08:22 PM: Quote from: Replies From View on February 01, 2021, 11:05:41 PM
I didn't know Jaws 2 was already out

One of the few films that's had a cinema release in the last 9 months.
Title: Re: Jaws 2 (Shark Film Sequel)
Post by: Bazooka on February 02, 2021, 03:02:06 PM: Quote from: Replies From View on February 01, 2021, 11:05:41 PM
I didn't know Jaws 2 was already out

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(https://poetandpoem.com/Mahadevi-Verma)

C'mon mate you must have remembered this shot from the trailer that was on every ad break.
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Post by: St_Eddie on February 02, 2021, 04:24:58 PM: Quote from: Bazooka on February 02, 2021, 03:02:06 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/413hKh7/unnamed.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)
(https://poetandpoem.com/Mahadevi-Verma)

(https://i.imgur.com/uxTIoMM.png)
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Post by: Replies From View on February 02, 2021, 04:42:13 PM: Quote from: Bazooka on February 02, 2021, 03:02:06 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/413hKh7/unnamed.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)
(https://poetandpoem.com/Mahadevi-Verma)

C'mon mate you must have remembered this shot from the trailer that was on every ad break.

Well I’ll be blowed. I’d always assumed that was Ecco the Dolphin, but now I look closer....... why, it is none other than Jaws 2 himself!!

I wonder why he has Miles Prower’s exact surname.
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Post by: Shit Good Nose on February 02, 2021, 05:11:14 PM: Quote from: Replies From View on February 02, 2021, 04:42:13 PM
Well I’ll be blowed. I’d always assumed that was Ecco the Dolphin, but now I look closer....... why, it is none other than Jaws 2 himself!!

HERself, you chauvinist pig.
Title: Re: Jaws 2 (Shark Film Sequel)
Post by: Replies From View on February 02, 2021, 05:24:07 PM: Quote from: Shit Good Nose on February 02, 2021, 05:11:14 PM
HERself, you chauvinist pig.

oh sorry

I always assume that sharks are male and they mate with all the other fish which are female
Title: Re: Jaws 2 (Shark Film Sequel)
Post by: Bazooka on February 02, 2021, 05:56:30 PM: I thought Jaws 2 was Jaws 1 Junior. When Jaws is shot in the gob by the copper at the end of 1 and explodes, Jaws Junior falls out and is ready for revenge.
Title: Re: Jaws 2 (Shark Film Sequel)
Post by: A Hat Like That on February 02, 2021, 06:53:25 PM: Quote from: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on February 01, 2021, 03:45:39 PM
Apart from the notorious shot of an immobile Jaws bath toy drifting towards the undersea HQ, that's the only scene anyone ever remembers from Jaws 3. I agree, it's nightmarish.

Quint being bitten in half by Bruce is horrific because it's realistic. That bloke inside Jaws 3's mouth exists in another realm of horror.

later on, the shark manages to eat someone in the undersea HQ but yer lad with the grenades is still stuck in his gullet

here's the majesty of that ending: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arsAllZIa1Y

tbf Brucey appears to spit him out
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Post by: A Hat Like That on February 02, 2021, 06:57:58 PM: Jaws 2 also has https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6CsW4dCk_8 which I think is quite an effective attack.

The later scene with the lass is also good.
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Post by: Replies From View on February 02, 2021, 09:44:01 PM: Quote from: Bazooka on February 02, 2021, 05:56:30 PM
I thought Jaws 2 was Jaws 1 Junior. When Jaws is shot in the gob by the copper at the end of 1 and explodes, Jaws Junior falls out and is ready for revenge.

Jaws numbering follows the logic of page sizes. Just as A1 is twice the size of A2, which is twice the size of A3, which is twice the size of A4 and so on, the Jaws shark with the lowest number is the oldest and hugest, Jaws 2 is half its size, etc.

Not sure why these decisions were made, but in those days everyone was a bit mad about photocopiers so the sizing issue of paper reams presumably bled into their subconscious somehow. I'm glad. Without Xerox we probably wouldn't have had 101 Dalmations.
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Post by: Replies From View on February 02, 2021, 10:03:57 PM: Younger readers will recall that Jaws was known as Les in France, and was furthermore perceived to be a llama.

(https://www.lulu-berlu.com/upload/image/jaws---ideal---jaws-game--used-in-french-box--p-image-407076-grande.jpg)
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Post by: St_Eddie on February 02, 2021, 10:25:27 PM: EDIT: Hmm, on seconds thoughts. This wasn't a good idea.
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Post by: Chedney Honks on February 02, 2021, 10:42:56 PM: Les dents de la mer deux

Sounds like teeth of shit
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Post by: St_Eddie on February 02, 2021, 10:47:06 PM: Quote from: Chedney Honks on February 02, 2021, 10:42:56 PM
Les dents de la mer deux

Sounds like teeth of shit

Sounds more like a Poirot murder mystery set in a dentists to me.
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Post by: Goldentony on February 03, 2021, 12:52:17 AM: I put it below 3, above 4, beneath Gums, level with Tintorera, better than Cruel Jaws
Title: Re: Jaws 2 (Shark Film Sequel)
Post by: Billy on February 03, 2021, 01:44:34 AM: Quote from: Replies From View on February 02, 2021, 10:03:57 PM
Younger readers will recall that Jaws was known as Les in France, and was furthermore perceived to be a llama.

(https://www.lulu-berlu.com/upload/image/jaws---ideal---jaws-game--used-in-french-box--p-image-407076-grande.jpg)

Now I’m imagining it hosting a family gameshow and doing Mavis impressions.
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Post by: famethrowa on February 03, 2021, 03:57:46 AM: Jeannotasgoodasthelastguy
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Post by: Shit Good Nose on February 03, 2021, 09:41:11 AM: Quote from: Goldentony on February 03, 2021, 12:52:17 AM
I put it below 3, above 4, beneath Gums, level with Tintorera, better than Cruel Jaws

Great White/The Last Shark and Shark Attack 3 obviously in joint pole position.
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Post by: Replies From View on February 03, 2021, 11:06:32 AM: Quote from: Billy on February 03, 2021, 01:44:34 AM
Now I’m imagining it hosting a family gameshow and doing Mavis impressions.

This is exactly what the French had in mind.
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Post by: Blumf on February 03, 2021, 11:55:34 AM: The best Jaws movie is Sharknado 5
Title: Re: Jaws 2 (Shark Film Sequel)
Post by: notjosh on February 03, 2021, 12:29:20 PM: Quote from: Shit Good Nose on February 01, 2021, 03:25:50 PM
The novelisation includes plot details from the original shooting script (dodgy aldermen dealings ["ROBERT! ROBERT!!!!!"] with the mafia to get a casino built in order to turn around the town's fortunes etc) and also contrives why it's happening again (Jaws 2 is pregnant with Jaws 1's baby). It has quite a strong following of people who think it's better than the film. Been a LONG time since I read it, but I certainly preferred it over Benchley's original, which I still think is absolute dog shit.

I read the novelisation as a kid and the main thing I remember is that the shark is absolutely MASSIVE. Way bigger than even the one in the first book, if my mind's eye is anything to go by.

Then I saw the film and the shark was just very big. Surprised no one got fired over that blunder.
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Post by: Replies From View on February 03, 2021, 12:42:30 PM: which is the Jaws film with a load of plaster mannequins dumped in the ocean, the shark bites one and his dentures fuckin get broke
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Post by: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on February 03, 2021, 01:52:50 PM: The first film should have been called Jaw. The second would be Jaws and the deeply disappointing third one would be Jaw³.
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Post by: Shit Good Nose on February 03, 2021, 01:56:57 PM: Quote from: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on February 03, 2021, 01:52:50 PM
The first film should have been called Jaw. The second would be Jaws and the deeply disappointing third one would be Jaw³.

I see what you did there...........
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Post by: Bazooka on February 03, 2021, 02:26:21 PM: Quote from: Replies From View on February 03, 2021, 12:42:30 PM
which is the Jaws film with a load of plaster mannequins dumped in the ocean, the shark bites one and his dentures fuckin get broke

Jaws vs Cocoon (1987)

(https://i.ibb.co/LJdq4VJ/tumblr-nb09oqug-Oi1re1poeo1-1280.jpg) (https://ibb.co/F04fGR0)
(https://emoticoncentral.com/category/enticed)
Title: Re: Jaws 2 (Shark Film Sequel)
Post by: Replies From View on February 03, 2021, 02:29:08 PM: Quote from: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on February 03, 2021, 01:52:50 PM
The first film should have been called Jaw. The second would be Jaws and the deeply disappointing third one would be Jaw³.

I’ve always said this. Also, ‘Finding Nemo 2’ should have been called ‘Finding Nemoes’. Imagine all the Nemoes that could have been located! Missed opportunity.
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Post by: Replies From View on February 03, 2021, 02:39:13 PM: Quote from: Bazooka on February 03, 2021, 02:26:21 PM
Jaws vs Cocoon (1987)

(https://i.ibb.co/LJdq4VJ/tumblr-nb09oqug-Oi1re1poeo1-1280.jpg) (https://ibb.co/F04fGR0)
(https://emoticoncentral.com/category/enticed)

Here’s a good question: do the geriatrics floating on deckchairs have a better or worse chance against Jaws than the one puffing around at the back?
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Post by: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on February 03, 2021, 02:40:20 PM: If Jaws doesn't eat his foot, the diabettis would.
Title: Re: Jaws 2 (Shark Film Sequel)
Post by: Bazooka on February 03, 2021, 02:55:54 PM: Quote from: Replies From View on February 03, 2021, 02:39:13 PM
Here’s a good question: do the geriatrics floating on deckchairs have a better or worse chance against Jaws than the one puffing around at the back?

He has his wiener stuck in a dolphin's blow hole, you'd be puffing too.
Title: Re: Jaws 2 (Shark Film Sequel)
Post by: St_Eddie on February 03, 2021, 06:16:35 PM: I think that Steven Spielberg's Schindler's List should have titled Jews, as a homage to Jaws.
Title: Re: Jaws 2 (Shark Film Sequel)
Post by: St_Eddie on February 03, 2021, 06:19:55 PM: Also Jurassic Park should have been titled Other Jaws (non-shark film), as an homage to Jaws (shark film).
Title: Re: Jaws 2 (Shark Film Sequel)
Post by: Bazooka on February 03, 2021, 06:29:16 PM: Old Jaws.
Title: Re: Jaws 2 (Shark Film Sequel)
Post by: Blumf on February 03, 2021, 08:09:05 PM: D'ya remember when Spielberg edited ET to replace all the walkie-talkies with sharks?
Title: Re: Jaws 2 (Shark Film Sequel)
Post by: Shit Good Nose on February 03, 2021, 08:15:17 PM: And then he re-replaced them with dildos.
Title: Re: Jaws 2 (Shark Film Sequel)
Post by: Dex Sawash on February 03, 2021, 10:30:57 PM: I have completely merged Jabberjaw with the other cartoon shark (Mr Jaw?)
Title: Re: Jaws 2 (Shark Film Sequel)
Post by: Replies From View on February 03, 2021, 11:00:36 PM: Quote from: Dex Sawash on February 03, 2021, 10:30:57 PM
I have completely merged Jabberjaw with the other cartoon shark (Mr Jaw?)

The Jabberwocky?
Title: Re: Jaws 2 (Shark Film Sequel)
Post by: Catalogue Trousers on February 06, 2021, 01:42:53 AM: Misterjaw (sometimes also referred to as Mr Jaw, Supershark).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misterjaw
Title: Re: Jaws 2 (Shark Film Sequel)
Post by: Kelvin on February 06, 2021, 02:32:20 AM: Universal Studios in Florida used to have a really good Jaws ride, a boat tour where you'd see a sinking ship like yours, then a bunch of attacks on your boat by an animatronic shark, and then a big finale with petrol tanks exploding and the shark getting electrocuted to death like in Jaws 2.

https://youtu.be/U1_m0qt-p6A

The actor playing the boat's captain is really annoying in this video, but its pretty good at showing you the highlights.

The ride's gone now, sadly. Replaced by a Transformers ride in a suitable metaphor.
Title: Re: Jaws 2 (Shark Film Sequel)
Post by: Kelvin on February 06, 2021, 02:47:51 AM: In fact, my boring Jaws 2 story is that, for years, I was convinced the tv broadcasts had cut a scene where the fried shark lunges out at them again, until one day i watched a youtube video of that Florida ride and realised I was remembering that instead.
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Post by: Replies From View on February 06, 2021, 10:40:40 AM: Well my boring Jaws 2 story is that I associate Jaws with the taste of spicy tomato, and Jaws 2 with turquoise and barbecue beef.

Beat that!
Title: Re: Jaws 2 (Shark Film Sequel)
Post by: Bazooka on February 06, 2021, 12:45:15 PM: Jaws 2 is pickled onion(not as good), Jaws 3D is prawn cocktail (an abomination, but Skips were alright) and Jaws The Revenge 4 is like a pack of Mango Chutney flavour crisps (no need to exist.)
Title: Re: Jaws 2 (Shark Film Sequel)
Post by: kalowski on February 06, 2021, 02:05:23 PM: If you'd have asked me a couple of years ago I'd have said Jaws 2 was pretty good. But I saw it on TV recently and realised it was fucking awful.
Title: Re: Jaws 2 (Shark Film Sequel)
Post by: dissolute ocelot on February 06, 2021, 07:14:12 PM: Sharks have anything from 2 to 15 rows of teeth (not all in place simultaneously, the back ones come forward when the front ones fall out from eating frozen Snickers). Logically the films should have been titled like Jaw 2 Row 4, and similar, like Twilight IV Part 2.
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Post by: St_Eddie on February 07, 2021, 04:49:26 AM: Quote from: Kelvin on February 06, 2021, 02:32:20 AM
https://youtu.be/U1_m0qt-p6A (https://youtu.be/U1_m0qt-p6A)

The actor playing the boat's captain is really annoying in this video...

I can't make my mind up as to whether he sounds more like a like an exasperated Jerry Seinfeld or a camp Marty McFly.
Title: Re: Jaws 2 (Shark Film Sequel)
Post by: Replies From View on February 07, 2021, 07:05:11 AM: Quote from: St_Eddie on February 07, 2021, 04:49:26 AM
I can't make my mind up as to whether he sounds more like a like an exasperated Jerry Seinfeld or a camp Marty McFly.

Well you have to pick one.
Title: Re: Jaws 2 (Shark Film Sequel)
Post by: Blumf on February 13, 2021, 08:05:23 PM: Jaws: The Revenge (Avenging shark movie) is on ITV4 in a bit, 2030h.
Title: Re: Jaws 2 (Shark Film Sequel)
Post by: icehaven on February 13, 2021, 08:35:36 PM: Quote from: Blumf on February 13, 2021, 08:05:23 PM
Jaws: The Revenge (Avenging shark movie) is on ITV4 in a bit, 2030h.

I was wondering which Jaws this was and it's 4. 4!
Title: Re: Jaws 2 (Shark Film Sequel)
Post by: Keebleman on February 13, 2021, 08:54:51 PM: I saw Jaws 2 in the cinema. I was only 9 so hadn't seen the first movie. I'm not sure if Jaws 2 was the first time I had heard the word 'shit' but I certainly had never heard it used so much.

(NB I mean used by the characters in the film, not by my fellow patrons in the cinema.)
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Post by: A Hat Like That on February 14, 2021, 01:30:20 PM: Jaws does have this inexplicable deleted scene.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfX1MkMazwc
Title: Re: Jaws 2 (Shark Film Sequel)
Post by: famethrowa on February 15, 2021, 01:16:29 AM: Quote from: A Hat Like That on February 14, 2021, 01:30:20 PM
Jaws does have this inexplicable deleted scene.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfX1MkMazwc

That's gold! He's like "why'd you stop?"
Title: Re: Jaws 2 (Shark Film Sequel)
Post by: Replies From View on February 15, 2021, 09:11:54 AM: I don't really want to watch a film called Jaws 2 that is a sequel. I feel like I want to see the first Jaws 2, please.

Please direct me to a film called Jaws 2 where I am not already missing the first part of the story.
Title: Re: Jaws 2 (Shark Film Sequel)
Post by: Blumf on February 15, 2021, 12:43:20 PM: Well, how are you spelling that? 'Jaws To', 'Jaws Too', or 'Jaws Tu'? Because they're all very different films!
Title: Re: Jaws 2 (Shark Film Sequel)
Post by: Dex Sawash on February 15, 2021, 02:10:09 PM: Quote from: Replies From View on February 15, 2021, 09:11:54 AM
I don't really want to watch a film called Jaws 2 that is a sequel. I feel like I want to see the first Jaws 2, please.

Please direct me to a film called Jaws 2 where I am not already missing the first part of the story.

My granddaughter calls the film Cars 2 "2 Cars" despite it being composed almost entirely of cars.
Title: Re: Jaws 2 (Shark Film Sequel)
Post by: mothman on February 15, 2021, 05:39:35 PM: Quote from: St_Eddie on February 03, 2021, 06:16:35 PM
I think that Steven Spielberg's Schindler's List should have titled Jews, as a homage to Jaws.

Given the same approximate period of time separates the first and last Jaws films as does Schindler’s List and Munich, does that make the latter Jews: The Revenge?
Title: Re: Jaws 2 (Shark Film Sequel)
Post by: Replies From View on February 16, 2021, 08:27:54 AM: What could Amistad have been called?
Title: Re: Jaws 2 (Shark Film Sequel)
Post by: St_Eddie on February 16, 2021, 08:55:35 AM: Quote from: Replies From View on February 16, 2021, 08:27:54 AM
What could Amistad have been called?

Oof, tricky one. Umm... "Hawse" (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hawse)? Might be a fair few disappointed cinema goers, mind.

Incidentally; Saving Private Ryan is "Wars".
Title: Re: Jaws 2 (Shark Film Sequel)
Post by: Replies From View on February 18, 2021, 08:17:01 PM: Shaving Ryan’s Privates: “Warts”
Title: Re: Jaws 2 (Shark Film Sequel)
Post by: A Hat Like That on March 20, 2021, 04:07:29 PM: Quote from: Shit Good Nose on February 01, 2021, 03:25:50 PM
The novelisation includes plot details from the original shooting script (dodgy aldermen dealings ["ROBERT! ROBERT!!!!!"] with the mafia to get a casino built in order to turn around the town's fortunes etc) and also contrives why it's happening again (Jaws 2 is pregnant with Jaws 1's baby). It has quite a strong following of people who think it's better than the film. Been a LONG time since I read it, but I certainly preferred it over Benchley's original, which I still think is absolute dog shit.

Genuinely brilliant reading, though, is The Jaws 2 Log, and the story behind that is interesting in itself - written by a journeyman entertainment freelancer, who was originally sent to location to do some basic interviews with lead cast and crew which would have ended up in a number of entertainment magazines. Ended up staying for the duration of the shoot and recording the highs and lows of the whole production.

The novelisation also has a section from the POV of a Navy SEAL-trained porpoise.
Title: Re: Jaws 2 (Shark Film Sequel)
Post by: DrGreggles on March 21, 2021, 12:37:18 AM: Is The Revenge the one where Jaws the shark goes on holiday to the Caribbean?
Title: Re: Jaws 2 (Shark Film Sequel)
Post by: Dr Rock on March 21, 2021, 04:59:15 AM: 'Frankly if we are going to get Jaws The Shark, this boat is too little'

Great line, not sure where it's from.
Title: Re: Jaws 2 (Shark Film Sequel)
Post by: Bazooka on March 21, 2021, 08:27:20 AM: Quote from: DrGreggles on March 21, 2021, 12:37:18 AM
Is The Revenge the one where Jaws the shark goes on holiday to the Caribbean?

Yep and they kill Jaw by putting a shaken can of Lilt in his gob and shooting it.
Title: Re: Jaws 2 (Shark Film Sequel)
Post by: An tSaoi on March 21, 2021, 12:39:28 PM: Quote from: Dr Rock on March 21, 2021, 04:59:15 AM
'Frankly if we are going to get Jaws The Shark, this boat is too little'

Great line, not sure where it's from.

I love the tagline. Just when you thought that there wasn't any danger in going back into the ocean again after what happened last time.