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Title: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on October 13, 2017, 05:58:40 PM
It'll probably be worth starting new threads for major works / events, but for everything else I thought a catch all might be best.

The Walking Dead 172 - So Kirkman's introduced a major new character in Princess, whose hyperactive and has a sense of humour and in this dour old world should be a much needed thing but unfortunately so far I'm just finding her really annoying. Meanwhile there's lots of dull stuff with rebuilding the Hilltop and Carl having women not vomit in to his fetid eye hole, and then Beta suddenly pops up and it looks like he's going to kill Jesus. Don't care either way to be honest, I have no idea why I'm still reading this, I think it's the most masochistic thing I've ever done to myself. Still, at least the issue was Negan free, so that's something, maybe?

Doctor Who: The Lost Dimension Part 1 (of 8) - Another big crossover event featuring multiple doctors and companions, including what's as far as I know the first appearance of Jenny, the Doctor's daughter, in any of the comics. It's fun and fast paced and really likeable so far, and I'm looking forward to reading the rest..
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: BeardFaceMan on October 13, 2017, 06:28:27 PM
God yeah, I've been pissed off with Kirkman for ages but the introduction to that new character has finally made me give up for good. I just don't have faith he can write anything interesting in this universe anymore, TWD has been boring for a while, at times it really is no different to a shitty daytime tv soap opera, poor dialogue and all.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: holyzombiejesus on October 13, 2017, 11:22:30 PM
There's a new Chris Ware book out!  This Guardian review (https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/oct/12/chris-ware-does-the-world-really-need-another-tome-about-an-artist) makes it sound like a memoir. I've had it on order since May and had totally forgotten about it, presuming it would be a kind of retrospective/Acme Novelty Date Book type thing, so when the email came through today saying it had been dispatched, shortly followed by seeing that Guardian piece, I am suddenly really excited. New Chris Ware!!
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: studpuppet on October 14, 2017, 12:00:38 AM
This thread* I 'ave mostly been enjoying Animosity and Black Hammer.

*Thanks to whoever recommended them on the old thread.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Phil_A on October 14, 2017, 12:57:06 AM
A couple of months back I was moaning that 2000AD doesn't do any of the weird conceptual stuff anymore, and now John Smith's back doing a new run of Indigo Prime that features William S Burroughs as a major character.

Yes, this is much more like it. I'm sorry I doubted you, Tharg.

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-sYJ92FzUNUQ/UrSoOYJNwEI/AAAAAAAAASM/JHEZu0UZnac/s1600/indigo_prime_PerfectDay_DP_COL.jpg)
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: holyzombiejesus on October 14, 2017, 12:58:08 AM
Ha ha! Arcade Fire!
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: hermitical on October 14, 2017, 07:20:49 PM
can the old thread be moved to this forum as well?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Serge on October 14, 2017, 09:45:01 PM
Quote from: holyzombiejesus on October 13, 2017, 11:22:30 PM
There's a new Chris Ware book out!  This Guardian review (https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/oct/12/chris-ware-does-the-world-really-need-another-tome-about-an-artist) makes it sound like a memoir. I've had it on order since May and had totally forgotten about it, presuming it would be a kind of retrospective/Acme Novelty Date Book type thing, so when the email came through today saying it had been dispatched, shortly followed by seeing that Guardian piece, I am suddenly really excited. New Chris Ware!!

Ooh, will have to look into that. Though I still haven't read 'Building Stories'.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: holyzombiejesus on October 14, 2017, 10:57:49 PM
Quote from: Serge on October 14, 2017, 09:45:01 PM
Ooh, will have to look into that. Though I still haven't read 'Building Stories'.


It arrived today in a massive heavy box. I was so excited until my wife caught sight of it, confiscated it and said she'd give it me for my birthday. She gave me what I'd paid for it but now I have to wait a whole month til I read it. I'll be damned if she's getting that book of drawings of UFO sightings that I started a thread about.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: buntyman on October 15, 2017, 01:22:53 AM
I got the Chris ware book today. It's almost too heavy to hold and read comfortably but it's really beautifully put together and covers a huge selection of his comics, model designs, magazine covers etc spanning his career. There are also some nice little book design surprises that I won't spoil.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Dr Rock on October 16, 2017, 11:06:54 AM
Ordered this after a recommendation, and seeing the pair who did it had no hesitation in ordering, and it's just arrived. Anyone read it already?

(http://www.humanoids.com/assets/CatalogueArticle/251/Incal-TPB-Cover_zoomed_zoomed.jpg)
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Pinckle Wicker on October 25, 2017, 07:14:21 AM
Quote from: Dr Rock on October 16, 2017, 11:06:54 AM
Ordered this after a recommendation, and seeing the pair who did it had no hesitation in ordering, and it's just arrived. Anyone read it already?

(http://www.humanoids.com/assets/CatalogueArticle/251/Incal-TPB-Cover_zoomed_zoomed.jpg)

Yes, read it a few years ago now. It is a fantastic read alright and one of my fave graphic novels. Won't say too much just now though but it really does take you on a universal rollercoaster (sorry for cliched pun there) and a great sense of humour as I recall. In fact, i should really give it a reread now. 
Enjoy!
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on October 25, 2017, 05:01:46 PM
Quote from: studpuppet on October 14, 2017, 12:00:38 AM
Black Hammer.


Have you got Sherlock Frankenstein & The Legion Of Evil ? I have it in my 'to read' pile.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: ASFTSN on October 25, 2017, 05:18:24 PM
Quote from: buntyman on October 15, 2017, 01:22:53 AM
I got the Chris ware book today.

Does anything in it suggest he's cheered up a little bit recently?  He's an almost godlike figure to me in terms of what he does (I used to make myself miserable trying to emulate him) but I just reached a point where I couldn't take the dull bleakness (in subject matter) any more.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Phil_A on October 25, 2017, 08:58:39 PM
Quote from: Phil_A on October 14, 2017, 12:57:06 AM
A couple of months back I was moaning that 2000AD doesn't do any of the weird conceptual stuff anymore, and now John Smith's back doing a new run of Indigo Prime that features William S Burroughs as a major character.

Yes, this is much more like it. I'm sorry I doubted you, Tharg.


Since posting this I've caught up with some back issues, and I didn't realise Smith is not actually writing the new strip, for whatever reason he has decided not to keep working for the comic any more and the editor has farmed out his strips to other writers. Not so good.

I'm intensely disappointed in you, Tharg.

In other more positive news, the 2000AD Collection series has now released Volume 1 of Nemesis The Warlock(which is actually Books I-III of the original run, not bad for a tenner).
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on November 20, 2017, 09:22:43 PM
I picked this up in a newsagents today:

(https://i.imgur.com/SLcYBBn.jpg)

I know the original series only lasted 15 issues but I loved them as a ten year old and read them many a time, and it's great to see it back as a one off, The Thirteenth Floor is especially fun and if they could keep up this level of quality I'd happily buy it on a monthly basis.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on November 21, 2017, 08:54:19 AM
Quote from: holyzombiejesus on October 13, 2017, 11:22:30 PM
There's a new Chris Ware book out!  This Guardian review (https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/oct/12/chris-ware-does-the-world-really-need-another-tome-about-an-artist) makes it sound like a memoir. I've had it on order since May and had totally forgotten about it, presuming it would be a kind of retrospective/Acme Novelty Date Book type thing, so when the email came through today saying it had been dispatched, shortly followed by seeing that Guardian piece, I am suddenly really excited. New Chris Ware!!

It is physically huge. The size of an A1 poster. It's not going through your letterbox (unless you live in a stable)
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on November 21, 2017, 08:55:35 AM
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on November 20, 2017, 09:22:43 PM
I picked this up in a newsagents today:

(https://i.imgur.com/SLcYBBn.jpg)

I know the original series only lasted 15 issues but I loved them as a ten year old and read them many a time, and it's great to see it back as a one off, The Thirteenth Floor is especially fun and if they could keep up this level of quality I'd happily buy it on a monthly basis.

Is that Henry Flint art on the cover?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on November 21, 2017, 07:52:08 PM
Quote from: kidsick5000 on November 21, 2017, 08:55:35 AM
Is that Henry Flint art on the cover?

It is indeed.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: gout_pony on November 24, 2017, 10:55:55 PM
The (not entirely unexpected) love for Chris Ware makes me feel ever more at home here. Even at his most neurotic I find his stuff deeply reassuring. It's probably my having the OCD.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: holyzombiejesus on November 25, 2017, 12:19:26 AM
Quote from: kidsick5000 on November 21, 2017, 08:54:19 AM
It is physically huge. The size of an A1 poster. It's not going through your letterbox (unless you live in a stable)

Yeah, despite the huge size, I'm a bit underwhelmed. Obviously it's a beautiful book but I'd heard that it was more of a memoir rather than a deluxe monograph especially when we've already had the 2 Acme Novelty date Books and the Daniel Raeburn retrospective. Perhaps there's more to it; its really hard to find the time and space to take a proper look. Again, I'm not complaining. Chris Ware is probably my favourite artist working in any medium and seeing anything he produces is always a grand event, but I'd have liked something to read. It feels like an age since Building Stories.

EDIT: I'd forgotten all about The Last Saturday! It feels odd thinking back that we used to get a whole new page of Chris Ware in the Guardian every Saturday.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/ng-interactive/2014/sep/13/-sp-chris-ware-the-last-saturday-graphic-novel
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Serge on November 25, 2017, 11:46:05 AM
Quote from: holyzombiejesus on November 25, 2017, 12:19:26 AMI'd heard that it was more of a memoir rather than a deluxe monograph

Er.....wasn't the title a bit of giveaway?

It's on my Christmas list anyway, along with that UFO Drawings book. And about 20 other books.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: holyzombiejesus on November 25, 2017, 02:01:11 PM
Quote from: Serge on November 25, 2017, 11:46:05 AM
Er.....wasn't the title a bit of giveaway?

Well, yes. I thought that but the Guardian article went on about it being a memoir so my expectations shifted.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: gout_pony on November 26, 2017, 01:34:20 PM
So, what do y'all reckon is Chris Ware's best, then?

Personally, I am inclined towards Acme Novelty Library #19 as having the perfect balance between humanistic melancholy and coruscating humour. The formalistic aspects are bracing, but never risk subsuming the story or character work as they do occasionally for me in Lint and Building Stories. Also, I really like how it is structured similarly to Pale Fire, allowing satisfying re-reading, trying to catch the meta- "mistakes" and Freudian slippages in the first half in light of the second.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Thursday on November 26, 2017, 03:49:28 PM
I only know Jimmy Corrigan and Building Stories, so what would be the best place to go to next?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Sin Agog on November 26, 2017, 05:17:59 PM
Quote from: Dr Rock on October 16, 2017, 11:06:54 AM
Ordered this after a recommendation, and seeing the pair who did it had no hesitation in ordering, and it's just arrived. Anyone read it already?

(http://www.humanoids.com/assets/CatalogueArticle/251/Incal-TPB-Cover_zoomed_zoomed.jpg)

Give The Metabarons a punt when you're done with that.  I'm not sure if I'd say it's better than L'Incal- it's definitely on a much larger scale, while missing Moebius' artwork a little.  For someone who comes across like an acid-fried Trappist monk, Jodo sure can be a heartless little twist when it comes to his writing.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: gout_pony on November 26, 2017, 09:27:09 PM
Quote from: Thursday on November 26, 2017, 03:49:28 PM
I only know Jimmy Corrigan and Building Stories, so what would be the best place to go to next?

I think you'd really enjoy Lint! (the comic not the character, who is a toad!)

It's one of the better ways of getting into the Rusty Brown + Chalky White cycle as it is also pretty self-contained.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: bushwick on December 12, 2017, 02:35:49 PM
Have bought loads of good comics/graf novels this year. New stuff I've liked is Richard Corben's 'Shadows Of The Grave' horror series:
(https://d2lzb5v10mb0lj.cloudfront.net/common/salestools/previews/30532/30532p3.jpg)

This is fantastic too, psychedelic exploitation with wild art:
(http://www.adhousebooks.com/books/images/cvrs/BOOKS/AD.TARANTULA.CVR.72.jpg)

I am the biggest fan of Benjamin Marra and this is his tour-de-force, 240 pages of demented pulp trash action. If you like Raymond Pettibon and films like Vice Squad and Death Wish 3 you will love this:
(https://www.forbiddenplanet.co.uk/images/_2017_10_/GA3318.jpg)

and although not new work have been enjoying some of the 2000AD hardback reprint series, especially Slaine The Horned God and Halo Jones.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on December 13, 2017, 08:33:39 AM
Quote from: bushwick on December 12, 2017, 02:35:49 PM
Have bought loads of good comics/graf novels this year. New stuff I've liked is Richard Corben's 'Shadows Of The Grave' horror series:

Awww, man ! Thanks for reminding me about this. Love Corben.
I remembered last night, that I'd bought Moore's From Hell ages ago, digitally. I'll be reading that again over Christmas. Such a great book that. I remember reading loads about the history of London after I'd finished it the first time. Fascinating stuff. Particularly :

(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRADga0i1RTIConGQkgcphvJumLY8bSdgSE39afpiBxy6s9ONWH)
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Swoz_MK on December 13, 2017, 03:09:32 PM
Quote from: bushwick on December 12, 2017, 02:35:49 PM
I am the biggest fan of Benjamin Marra and this is his tour-de-force, 240 pages of demented pulp trash action. If you like Raymond Pettibon and films like Vice Squad and Death Wish 3 you will love this:
(https://www.forbiddenplanet.co.uk/images/_2017_10_/GA3318.jpg)


Benjamin Marra is my favourite current artist. Just amazing. Didn't think the Night Business collection was out for a while yet so that's good news. I've got issues 1-4 and been waiting for a conclusion for a good while now so good news.

Gangsta Rap Posse and the rest of the books collected in American Blood are fantastic but Terror Assaulter is just incredible. Bafflingly graphic and so funny.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Gulftastic on December 13, 2017, 03:17:11 PM
Saga volume 8 is released on December 27th. Whilst I am delighted, I can't fathom why they didn't push it forward by a couple of weeks to catch the Xmas market.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: bushwick on December 14, 2017, 10:52:32 AM
Quote from: Swoz_MK on December 13, 2017, 03:09:32 PM
Benjamin Marra is my favourite current artist. Just amazing. Didn't think the Night Business collection was out for a while yet so that's good news. I've got issues 1-4 and been waiting for a conclusion for a good while now so good news.

Gangsta Rap Posse and the rest of the books collected in American Blood are fantastic but Terror Assaulter is just incredible. Bafflingly graphic and so funny.

Yes! Saw his work by chance a few years ago, hadn't paid attention to comics for ages. Bought Terror Assaulter and it blew me away. American Blood is great too, but Christ, Terror Assaulter is next level. Got me back in to comics - reading em and making em. And through Marra's work I've got into Real Deal Comix (which I never saw in the 90s) and lots of Bronze Age stuff that I'd forgotten about. I am going to send the man a fan letter (and show him my comics).
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Swoz_MK on December 14, 2017, 03:06:03 PM
Ah yes, Real Deal had a page in Grand Royal magazine once but at 15 I don't think I really appreciated it. Just seen Fantagraphics put a collection out so I'll grab that.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: bushwick on December 14, 2017, 04:34:36 PM
Quote from: Artie Fufkin on December 13, 2017, 08:33:39 AM
Awww, man ! Thanks for reminding me about this. Love Corben.


It's a good series, traditional EC horror type stuff. The art is amazing like you'd expect - he's a bit looser/quicker/cartoony in places but he's 77 now. I reckon drawing powerful shit must keep you powerful in old age.

He self-censors his nudity now which is fuckin weird, little white stars over nipples and stuff.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: studpuppet on December 19, 2017, 05:10:27 PM
Something for the 2018 thread...

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Prisoner-Jack-Kirby-Gil-Kane/dp/1785862871 (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Prisoner-Jack-Kirby-Gil-Kane/dp/1785862871)

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/A14Bz2vFKTL.jpg)
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on December 21, 2017, 01:45:51 PM
The Walking Dead 174 - A whole issue devoted to Negan! Christ, Kirkman really does know how to annoy people. Anyhow, in the issue he bumps in to Maggie who wants to kill him but then he cries a lot so she decides not to. Fucking hell.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Serge on December 26, 2017, 09:07:22 AM
This Chris Ware Monograph is a fucking amazing thing. I spent a couple of hours looking through it last night, and every inch of it is a feast for the eyes. I don't know how the hell they're knocking it out for £45, I would have expected it to be about twice that.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Gulftastic on January 11, 2018, 06:57:47 PM
Bargains to be had at Travelling Man at the moment. I got a hardback copy of Neil Adams 'Arrival Of The Supermen*' for less than a fiver. I also got a couple of DC trade paperbacks for less than four quid.


*shit. I respect Adams, but this was pish poor.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: BritishHobo on January 13, 2018, 07:13:06 PM
I'm reading the third volume of the Peanuts collection (it's my birthday soon and I want ALL OF THE REST OF THEM THANK YOU) and page 9 has already given me my first proper uncontrollable laughter. It's that thing of when you don't expect something to continue over several strips, but Schulz keeps it going. Lucy bothers Charlie Brown with a daft theory about how snow comes up (like grass or flowers) not down. It's funny. Then you go to the next one and she's still enthusiastically shouting about her theory. Then in the next she's watching the snow and crowing about being right. And it just keeps going and going.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Spiteface on January 13, 2018, 07:41:08 PM
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on December 21, 2017, 01:45:51 PM
The Walking Dead 174 - A whole issue devoted to Negan! Christ, Kirkman really does know how to annoy people. Anyhow, in the issue he bumps in to Maggie who wants to kill him but then he cries a lot so she decides not to. Fucking hell.

Latest one was Negan-free and had an interesting revelation about this latest new community our heroes are coming into contact with (the one that Eugene was talking to a member from over the radio), which is that: Elodie, Michonne's daughter, missing since the outbreak, may still be alive. Her photo is seen on a noticeboard in The Commonwealth.

Walking Dead has obviously been repeating itself with them coming into contact with hostile groups and going to war with them, but if they actually don't go that route here and just have their world expanding even further, working with "The Commonwealth" - that would be nice. If they have to have more conflict, I'd rather a Civil War or something. Maggie is obviously not OK with Negan being free, I could see her and Rick clashing over that.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Phil_A on January 17, 2018, 04:55:40 PM
Was a bit saddened to read today that artist Jim Baikie passed away at the end of last year. He was best known for his work on 2000AD and Crisis but was a mainstay in the British comics press for decades.

A fulsome tribute from John Freeman at Down The Tubes:

http://downthetubes.net/?p=42074
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: studpuppet on January 18, 2018, 03:21:50 PM
Is it me? These look like fun:

https://www.theguardian.com/books/booksblog/2018/jan/18/dc-is-not-kidding-around-with-hanna-barbera-reworkings-for-adults (https://www.theguardian.com/books/booksblog/2018/jan/18/dc-is-not-kidding-around-with-hanna-barbera-reworkings-for-adults)
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: samadriel on January 19, 2018, 10:59:16 AM
I know the first Flintstones trade is tops.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Swoz_MK on January 19, 2018, 11:57:29 AM
I have Snagglepuss #1 which is fantastic, looking forward to the rest.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Famous Mortimer on January 20, 2018, 01:31:04 PM
Quote from: studpuppet on January 18, 2018, 03:21:50 PM
Is it me? These look like fun:

https://www.theguardian.com/books/booksblog/2018/jan/18/dc-is-not-kidding-around-with-hanna-barbera-reworkings-for-adults (https://www.theguardian.com/books/booksblog/2018/jan/18/dc-is-not-kidding-around-with-hanna-barbera-reworkings-for-adults)

QuoteThe series has had largely positive reviews (though, if you listen carefully you can hear the distant wail of a male voice decrying the ruin of his childhood).
I wonder if anyone's actually said this, or if it's just default language that all articles about things being updated must carry?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Glebe on January 21, 2018, 05:11:20 AM
Oh yeah, I had Batman: Hush sitting around for awhile there and I finally read it the other week. Enjoyed it, although it maybe could have done without the likes of Superdog turning up.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: holyzombiejesus on January 21, 2018, 08:44:38 PM
Just read Fante Bukowski 2 which is really good, especially if you're familiar with the old Bukowski tropes. It's even printed so it looks like a Black Sparrow Press book.

(https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/71975/4700147-7126943478-BtB4d.jpg)
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: magval on January 22, 2018, 10:39:14 AM
Quote from: Glebe on January 21, 2018, 05:11:20 AM
Oh yeah, I had Batman: Hush sitting around for awhile there and I finally read it the other week. Enjoyed it, although it maybe could have done without the likes of Superdog turning up.

I always felt like it was a really good Scooby Doo episode in a Batman outfit. It's been that long since I read it though that I can no longer remember why.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: bgmnts on January 28, 2018, 10:34:35 AM
Almost done with V for Vendetta. Along with The League of Extraordinary Gentleman and Watchman I still haven't read anything bad by Alan Moore, you mileage may vary of course.

Maybe Lost Girls and From Hell are shite but i'm confident.

I rarely read comic books but had a period last year where I invested in quite a few X books, as they're the only comic franchise I loved as a kid. I understand the industry is in a real mess at the moment but is there anything X universe related I can dip my toe in? I'm semi aware of the events of the last decade or two, House of M, no more mutants, new generation of mutants, Hope etc. And then it went ALL NEW right? The run I have is the first ten issues or so of All New X Men but a bit stuck, been a year or so.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Sin Agog on January 29, 2018, 03:01:27 AM
His take on Lovecraft, Neonomicon, is a bit dodge, what with it consisting of a Scully-esque sex addict getting graphically raped by a tentacle monster for several days, then going back to work right afterwards as if nothing happened.  But otherwise, yeah he's a good 'un.

Reading Children of the Sea (https://www.goodreads.com/series/64077-children-of-the-sea) right now, and am overwhelmed at the way Igarashi captures that vast, overwhelming feeling of fathomless depths. The kind of awe that hovers between awful and awe-inspiring.  Amazing artist.  Plus it's all couched in a lovely, rheumy coming of age story full of mystery and unanswered questions.  God, I wish I could get back to my favourite pasttime of snorkeling again, but the sea's about as cold as it gets right now.  I'll keep on reading this and hope it infects my dreams- it's certainly got a leisurely, dream-like pace.  Can't wait to pick up more of his writings.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on January 29, 2018, 08:54:01 AM
Quote from: bgmnts on January 28, 2018, 10:34:35 AM
Almost done with V for Vendetta. Along with The League of Extraordinary Gentleman and Watchman I still haven't read anything bad by Alan Moore, you mileage may vary of course.

Maybe Lost Girls and From Hell are shite but i'm confident.


From Hell is my fave Moore, I think. So much detail in there.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on January 29, 2018, 03:43:26 PM
2000AD 1950 - 1961 - I just read these issues from about two to three years ago due to discovering that Peter Milligan had brought back Bad Company after all these years. Have to say that apart from that and Dredd the other strips (Dafoe, Sinister Dexter, Brass Sun) didn't really do it for me, some look great but the scripts are a bit weak. I did enjoy Bad Company a fair bit fortunately, it started off really well with our heroes drugged up and in a retirement home, and it didn't feel like Milligan was bringing them back for the cash, though towards the end the satire got a bit blunt, as you might notice from this bit:

(https://i.imgur.com/ILSlS6L.jpg)

Still, it was nice to see the guys back, and I know Milligan's done a second new series too so I'll check that out at some point, even if I won't be rushing to do so.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Phil_A on January 29, 2018, 09:44:49 PM
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on January 29, 2018, 03:43:26 PM
2000AD 1950 - 1961 - I just read these issues from about two to three years ago due to discovering that Peter Milligan had brought back Bad Company after all these years. Have to say that apart from that and Dredd the other strips (Dafoe, Sinister Dexter, Brass Sun) didn't really do it for me, some look great but the scripts are a bit weak. I did enjoy Bad Company a fair bit fortunately, it started off really well with our heroes drugged up and in a retirement home, and it didn't feel like Milligan was bringing them back for the cash, though towards the end the satire got a bit blunt, as you might notice from this bit:

(https://i.imgur.com/ILSlS6L.jpg)

Still, it was nice to see the guys back, and I know Milligan's done a second new series too so I'll check that out at some point, even if I won't be rushing to do so.

Yeah the new Bad Company is running at the moment, I haven't caught up with on my digital sub yet though.

Have to agree with the general sense of apathy regarding current state of the Prog. Dare I say it, it's starting to feel a bit stale. That sentiment seems to be shared over on the 2000AD forums as well.

It definitely seems to be the case that Pat Mills's legendary status means he gets given preference over other writers. It now feels like we can't go six weeks without having two of his ongoing strips running concurrently, and it's always the same bloody strips. Slaine, Savage, ABC Warriors, Dafoe, Flesh. It gets extremely wearying.

I've said this before, it feels like the comic is in need of a bit of a shake-up. New voices, new ideas, not just rehashing old characters ad infinitum.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on January 29, 2018, 10:23:38 PM
I'll try to dip in to 2000ad again. I've been away from it for so long some of the most beloved characters are those I've never heard of.

How is the art these days? Is that panel part of a spoof?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on January 30, 2018, 02:35:54 PM
Quote from: Phil_A on January 29, 2018, 09:44:49 PM
Yeah the new Bad Company is running at the moment, I haven't caught up with on my digital sub yet though.

Have to agree with the general sense of apathy regarding current state of the Prog. Dare I say it, it's starting to feel a bit stale. That sentiment seems to be shared over on the 2000AD forums as well.

It definitely seems to be the case that Pat Mills's legendary status means he gets given preference over other writers. It now feels like we can't go six weeks without having two of his ongoing strips running concurrently, and it's always the same bloody strips. Slaine, Savage, ABC Warriors, Dafoe, Flesh. It gets extremely wearying.

I've said this before, it feels like the comic is in need of a bit of a shake-up. New voices, new ideas, not just rehashing old characters ad infinitum.

I think you're 100% right on the Pat Mills front, I'm very fond of the man (especially after watching Future Shock The Story of 2000AD last week) but a lot of his material is all too repetitive, I've still a fondness for the ABC Warriors but apart from that none of his strips are doing anything for me. And I think you're right on the shake up front too, maybe it's time for a new Tharg after all these years, and for them to actively seek out new writers.

Quote from: kidsick5000 on January 29, 2018, 10:23:38 PM
I'll try to dip in to 2000ad again. I've been away from it for so long some of the most beloved characters are those I've never heard of.

How is the art these days? Is that panel part of a spoof?

The art's pretty great (and that picture above is no way representative of it in general) it's just the scripts which are slightly weak.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Norton Canes on February 01, 2018, 11:32:56 AM
Quote from: Phil_A on January 29, 2018, 09:44:49 PMIt definitely seems to be the case that Pat Mills's legendary status means he gets given preference over other writers. It now feels like we can't go six weeks without having two of his ongoing strips running concurrently, and it's always the same bloody strips. Slaine, Savage, ABC Warriors, Dafoe, Flesh. It gets extremely wearying

No fucking kidding. If I see one more strip from him where the protagonists spend every page discussing opposing philosophical or political viewpoints while pretending to have a fight, I'll... just sigh dejectedly and move on to the next story.

The line-up of stories for this ten-week stretch is far from inspiring - Mills is wringing more mileage from Savage and the ABC Warriors, Brass Sun continues to underwhelm, Dredd is meandering through a series of loosely connected stories set in the Sov(iet) wastelands and to be honest I haven't had the will to read the latest, full-colour iteration of Bad Company.

However, things are looking up! The next jumping-on edition is prog 2073, a 48-page special on sale 21st March:

Quote

  • Dredd crosses paths once more with the terrifying Judge Pin in 'Fit for Purpose' by Rob Williams and Chris Weston
  • Vampire bounty hunter Durham Red takes on a case to reunite mother and son in 'Born Bad' by Alec Worley and Ben Willsher
  • Nort war-crimes investigator Atalia Jaegir returns to the hellworld that is Nu Earth in 'In the Realm of Pyrrhus' by Gordon Rennie and Simon Coleby
  • Psi-Judge Anderson must face a new threat rising from the Undercity in 'Undertow' by Emma Beeby and David Roach
  • History is being reshaped in 'The New World', the fourth series of the time- and dimension-jumping thriller The Order by Kek-W and John Burns!

That's pretty much a dream line-up. The Order is especially amazing.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on February 01, 2018, 12:43:05 PM
Quote from: Norton Canes on February 01, 2018, 11:32:56 AM
However, things are looking up! The next jumping-on edition is prog 2073, a 48-page special on sale 21st March:

That's pretty much a dream line-up. The Order is especially amazing.

Been toying with getting back into 2000AD for a while. Haven't read any for about 3 years, now. I may well jump in here. Sounds good.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Norton Canes on February 01, 2018, 03:22:24 PM
And, I don't know if it's a happy coincidence, but of those five stories three have female leads, Judge Pin is a fantastic new female character and The Order has an abundance of female protagonists. They've even managed to find a woman writer for goodness sake!

Ooh it's like the heady days of The Space Girls all over again.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on February 14, 2018, 09:59:21 PM
Supreme: Blue Rose by Warren Ellis and Tula Lotay. A really stylish and fun mini-series from Ellis that had (for me, at least) a disappointing ending. It's a shame that this was intentionally seven and out as I'd like to see more from these characters, but I know Ellis has the attention span of a kitten in a mouse filled zoo these days.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on February 15, 2018, 04:43:00 PM
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on February 14, 2018, 09:59:21 PM
but I know Ellis has the attention span of a kitten in a mouse filled zoo these days.

"These days"!?! Do you remember how long it took him to finish Planetary?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: bgmnts on February 25, 2018, 04:10:00 PM
Has anyone read any Hellboy or BPRD stuff?

Looks interesting.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on March 01, 2018, 03:14:43 PM
Quote from: kidsick5000 on February 15, 2018, 04:43:00 PM
"These days"!?! Do you remember how long it took him to finish Planetary?

Oops, didn't see that now and you are of course right, but at least he did finish it rather than getting bored after about eight issues.

Quote from: bgmnts on February 25, 2018, 04:10:00 PM
Has anyone read any Hellboy or BPRD stuff?

Looks interesting.

I've never got on with them to be honest, but I know I'm in the minority and they have a huge fan base.

Buffy the Vampire Slayer Season 11 - Only 12 issues this time around and all the better for it. Story wise it's not the most original thing, as after a massive supernatural battle the US Government bring back concentration camps for all supernatural beings, but it has a great sense of fun (at one point Xander gets to transform in to the Vice President whilst Buffy and Willow interrogate the real one elsewhere) and the dialogue was sharper in general, and whilst it's hardly subtle they do at least explore some interesting ideas and themes. I've had mixed feelings about Buffy's Dark Horse run but this was easily the best season yet.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on March 02, 2018, 05:56:59 PM
The Terrifics! No. 1 - New DC series from Jeff Lemire (who I'm immensely fond of) which teams together Plastic Man, Metamorpho, Mr Terrific, and someone else whose name I can't remember. The art's superb and their really using Plastic Man in delightful ways, and hopefully this will continue being a great deal of fun.

Outcast No.28 - 31 - More grim stuff from Robert Kirkman, this at least moves at a decent enough pace and has a few characters I'm fond of. Not something I'd ever pay to read but it passes the time well enough.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: BritishHobo on March 02, 2018, 09:11:07 PM
I was on the verge of just giving in and buying the Buffy season 10 paperbacks, but it seems they've recently very quietly announced the first Library Edition so fuck it, I'm just gonna hold out, even though it's going to take them til probably til summer 2020 to finish the season, and 2022 before they even start talking about season 11's library editions. To be honest I've not thought about the comics in ages, but the recent news about Joss Whedon coming back for season 12 has reminded me, and gotten me swept up in excitement again.

Glad to hear you're really enjoying season 11, although I mostly skimmed your post for paranoid fear of spoilers.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on March 03, 2018, 10:40:23 AM
Quote from: bgmnts on February 25, 2018, 04:10:00 PM
Has anyone read any Hellboy or BPRD stuff?

Looks interesting.

Hellboy is one of the best, most entertaining comics I've ever read.
Just to qualify that, it's the best when Mike Mignola is on both writing and art duties.
His unique illustration style, the odd silent panels that just provide a beat in the narrative both make it hard to recreate.

Get any and all of Mignola's run
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: bgmnts on March 03, 2018, 11:05:49 AM
Quote from: kidsick5000 on March 03, 2018, 10:40:23 AM
Hellboy is one of the best, most entertaining comics I've ever read.
Just to qualify that, it's the best when Mike Mignola is on both writing and art duties.
His unique illustration style, the odd silent panels that just provide a beat in the narrative both make it hard to recreate.

Get any and all of Mignola's run

Ta mate will check it out.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on March 03, 2018, 12:32:23 PM
Quote from: bgmnts on March 03, 2018, 11:05:49 AM
Ta mate will check it out.

I'll just add, when other artists are on duty, it's not terrible - it's just not the same
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on March 06, 2018, 02:48:49 PM
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on March 01, 2018, 03:14:43 PM
Buffy the Vampire Slayer Season 11 - Only 12 issues this time around and all the better for it. Story wise it's not the most original thing, as after a massive supernatural battle the US Government bring back concentration camps for all supernatural beings, but it has a great sense of fun (at one point Xander gets to transform in to the Vice President whilst Buffy and Willow interrogate the real one elsewhere) and the dialogue was sharper in general, and whilst it's hardly subtle they do at least explore some interesting ideas and themes. I've had mixed feelings about Buffy's Dark Horse run but this was easily the best season yet.

I've always found the comics hard to get through, the main reason being Georges Jeanty's art. The faces of the girls are too similar. Its an age old problem with comics. The astounding cover art (in this case by Jo Chen) over-promises what is inside
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on March 07, 2018, 02:10:00 PM
Quote from: kidsick5000 on March 06, 2018, 02:48:49 PM
I've always found the comics hard to get through, the main reason being Georges Jeanty's art. The faces of the girls are too similar. Its an age old problem with comics. The astounding cover art (in this case by Jo Chen) over-promises what is inside

I know what you mean, sometimes he captures the look of the characters well but at others it's embarrassingly weak. I'm sure it used to be better during season 8 but it's gone downhill since and is almost cartoonish at times and puts me off a little.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Gulftastic on March 07, 2018, 02:39:47 PM
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on March 02, 2018, 05:56:59 PM
The Terrifics! No. 1 - New DC series from Jeff Lemire (who I'm immensely fond of) which teams together Plastic Man, Metamorpho, Mr Terrific, and someone else whose name I can't remember. The art's superb and their really using Plastic Man in delightful ways, and hopefully this will continue being a great deal of fun.


It's a native of Bgtzl, and from the name it's a relative/ancestor of Tinya Wazzo (Phantom Girl). I was a bit annoyed it wasn't actually Tinya, as I assumed when I saw the cover. I miss the LSH, and hoped it was part of a comeback. Although not written by Paul Levitz, who really dropped the ball on the last go-around.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on March 09, 2018, 08:46:38 PM
Despicable Deadpool No. 295 - My first ever Deadpool comic, chosen at random. And it was okay, the art's strong and the dialogue was fine, the plot vaguely amusing, but I've no urge to ever read it or any more of the series again.

Alien Pig Farm 3000 No. 1 - 4 - Image mini-series from the actor Thomas Jane, and essentially rednecks vs aliens. There are way too many incest jokes but it's a fast breezy read, even if I felt dirty after reading it.

Shade The Changing Woman No.1 - Because Shade The Changing Girl died apparently, but is now back with a new body. I didn't get on with the previous series but this seems more interesting, though it does border on pretentiousness at times.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: BritishHobo on March 10, 2018, 01:18:46 PM
Thanks to birthday and birthday money, I now own half the Complete Peanuts volumes. Or just over - I think there's twenty-four, and I'm up to thirteen.

Still only reading volume 4 though. It's mad to think how much stuff is already established, that Schulz would carry on with for over forty years. Charlie Brown's failed to kick his first football, the earlier characters like Shermy have faded away for Linus and Lucy to take centre stage.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on March 10, 2018, 03:26:52 PM
Doom Patrol No. 9 & 10 - Gerard Way's sequel to the Morrison run continues to rip off pay homage to him by bringing back Mr Nobody and the Brotherhood of Dada (though they're the Brotherhood of Nada this time around). I want to like it as I'm so fond of Morrison's Vertigo series (and even Keith Giffen's cancelled too soon version) and some of the ideas are interesting, but there's something about Way's dialogue that sometimes irritates me.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: ads82 on March 10, 2018, 04:16:17 PM
Currently making my way through Robert Kirkman's Invincible, I'm up to issue 20 and really enjoying it so far. Though the tone does vary wildly from slightly cheesy teenage romance to full on ultra violent superhero battles. Maybe that's what it makes it so enjoyable!
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on March 10, 2018, 05:16:19 PM
Groo vs Conan (2014 graphic novel) - Yep, it's the crossover the world waited decades to see, as Sergo Aragones Groo goes up against Conan The Barbarian. It's a mixture of fourth wall breaking as Sergio and Mark Evanier try to save a comic book store, but Aragones ends up being beaten up the police and hallucinating, which leads in to Conan and Groo meeting up for some shits and giggles. I loved Groo as a kid and so the nostalgia element is fairly big for me, and so I might be slightly biased, but I liked this an awful lot and found it a lot funnier that I expected it to be. The art's a mixture of 'traditional Conan' and Aragones cartoonery and surprisingly it works really well. So yeah, I'm quite surprised by how much I liked this, it's the most fun I've had reading a comic this year.

(https://i.imgur.com/RJ0Hy74.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/EzJHGqu.jpg)
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Gulftastic on March 10, 2018, 05:24:50 PM
I'd like to get back into Groo. It must be two decades since I last read any. Is Chakaal still a feature?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on March 10, 2018, 05:54:24 PM
Quote from: Gulftastic on March 10, 2018, 05:24:50 PM
I'd like to get back into Groo. It must be two decades since I last read any. Is Chakaal still a feature?

It was about the same amount of time for me, and she's not in this and I'm afraid don't know what happened to her character in general. Unfortunately the series isn't published monthly anymore, but I've just read the wiki page and it has had a fair few mini and maxi-series over recent years which I now plan to check out.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on March 12, 2018, 07:20:29 PM
Quote from: ads82 on March 10, 2018, 04:16:17 PM
Currently making my way through Robert Kirkman's Invincible, I'm up to issue 20 and really enjoying it so far. Though the tone does vary wildly from slightly cheesy teenage romance to full on ultra violent superhero battles. Maybe that's what it makes it so enjoyable!

It's great, and even better, it's finite - just had a great sign off issue.
Some fantastic ideas are in there.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Norton Canes on March 28, 2018, 03:42:52 PM
Read the first TPB of Prophet, Brandon Graham's revisioning of a 90's Image Comics character. Superb stuff - light on dialogue but almost disconcertingly visceral, as the lead character (all of him, if that's not a spoiler) is frequently subjected to gruesome injuries and hideous diseases and mutations. Bloodthirsty stuff delivered in an uncompromising fashion, but not so excessive as to be over-the-top.

"Set approximately ten thousand years in the future, the human race is all but extinct. Years after a war that spanned galaxies, Earth is overrun by xenomorphs and parasites. After what's perhaps generations of silence, an Earth Empire signal awakes dozens, maybe hundreds of cryo-sleeping John Prophet clones embedded in alien worlds all throughout the universe. And so far, it's been wild, weird, epic, and nothing less than brilliant"

I was inspired to read it after artist Simon Roy illustrated a one-off Dredd in 2000 AD a few months ago. He took a lot of stick for it because he has a pretty individual style that a lot of prog devotees didn't think suited the strip. Well they are Philistines, 'cos he's ace. 

One of his covers for Prophet:

(https://ifanboy.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/6727933625_d9dbeb3702_o-e1341940756477.jpg)

A panel from his Dredd story:

(https://downthetubes.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/2000AD-2053_Dredd-780x1024.jpg)
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Norton Canes on March 28, 2018, 03:51:43 PM
Oh, and 2000 AD is almost infinitely more enjoyable since last week's jumping-on prog. Gone are the interminable Pat Mills re-re-re-re-re-writes and the ill-advised return of Bad Company, and in come Jaegir, Sinister Dexter, Anderson and Wagner/Ezquerra on Stronium Dog. And the current Dredd story is excellent too.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on March 29, 2018, 09:04:29 AM
Quote from: Norton Canes on March 28, 2018, 03:51:43 PM
Oh, and 2000 AD is almost infinitely more enjoyable since last week's jumping-on prog. Gone are the interminable Pat Mills re-re-re-re-re-writes and the ill-advised return of Bad Company, and in come Jaegir, Sinister Dexter, Anderson and Wagner/Ezquerra on Stronium Dog. And the current Dredd story is excellent too.

Yes - have this prog sitting in my 'to read' pile. Must do so over the weekend, and make the decision as to whether or not subscribe again.
Just finished Vol 3 of Saga, which continues to be awesome. Something delightful in every issue.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Phil_A on March 29, 2018, 12:03:18 PM
Quote from: Norton Canes on March 28, 2018, 03:51:43 PM
Oh, and 2000 AD is almost infinitely more enjoyable since last week's jumping-on prog. Gone are the interminable Pat Mills re-re-re-re-re-writes and the ill-advised return of Bad Company, and in come Jaegir, Sinister Dexter, Anderson and Wagner/Ezquerra on Stronium Dog. And the current Dredd story is excellent too.

Yeah, was going to mention this - a really big lift in quality after weeks in the doldrums. I do seriously think Rob Williams is the most exciting writer currently working on Dredd, and in John Wagner's absence seems to be the one whose stories "matter" in the overall narrative.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Spiteface on March 29, 2018, 11:06:45 PM
Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers continues to be awesome. Now heading right into "Shattered Grid" which is basically Power Rangers does a big multiverse Crisis kind of storyline (Time Force already popped up with RPM and Dino Charge glimpsed, more to come) but I think one of the highlights of the comics so far has been SHEEPLE:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZcoSNuXkAASpOg.jpg)
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on March 30, 2018, 11:24:04 AM
Just starting to re-read the I Kill Giants gn. This is one of my all time favourite comics, like, EVAH. And I wanted to read it again before they ruin it with the film* It's such a beautiful thing. So emotional.


*I really hope they don't ruin it with the film
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Norton Canes on March 31, 2018, 12:50:09 PM
One more thing about the latest prog - it features, shockingly, only the second ever cover in the comic's 41 years to be drawn by a woman...

(http://2000ad.com/assets/pimg/00/32/87-460.jpg)

(100 points for anyone who can name the other? It's not too obscure)
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on March 31, 2018, 02:05:04 PM
Quote from: Artie Fufkin on March 30, 2018, 11:24:04 AM
Just starting to re-read the I Kill Giants gn. This is one of my all time favourite comics, like, EVAH. And I wanted to read it again before they ruin it with the film* It's such a beautiful thing. So emotional.


*I really hope they don't ruin it with the film

I read this yesterday thanks to your recommendation and did find it all rather sweet. It's pretty predictable, but the writing and art are strong enough to overcome this. I'm planning to watch the film at some point, and the reviews are mostly positive, but I've doubts they'll pull it off as effectively as the comic does.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: bushwick on March 31, 2018, 08:14:27 PM
Quote from: Norton Canes on March 31, 2018, 12:50:09 PM
One more thing about the latest prog - it features, shockingly, only the second ever cover in the comic's 41 years to be drawn by a woman...

(http://2000ad.com/assets/pimg/00/32/87-460.jpg)

(100 points for anyone who can name the other? It's not too obscure)

At a guess, Angie Kincaid with a Slaine cover?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on April 01, 2018, 10:33:58 AM
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on March 31, 2018, 02:05:04 PM
I read this yesterday thanks to your recommendation and did find it all rather sweet. It's pretty predictable, but the writing and art are strong enough to overcome this. I'm planning to watch the film at some point, and the reviews are mostly positive, but I've doubts they'll pull it off as effectively as the comic does.

I've just watched the trailer for the first time. Yeah, looks like it could be good. The Titan looks really good. Still not holding my breath.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Norton Canes on April 03, 2018, 10:12:54 AM
Quote from: bushwick on March 31, 2018, 08:14:27 PM
At a guess, Angie Kincaid with a Slaine cover?

Spot on. Slaine's debut...

(https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_small/1/14542/347323-19752-126771-1-2000-a-d.jpg)
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: gout_pony on April 08, 2018, 12:46:25 PM
There's a big Fantagraphics sale on at Comixology at the moment:
https://www.comixology.co.uk/Fantagraphics-Sale/page/3492?tid=B140912003_Fantagraphics_Fantagraphics_Linewi (https://www.comixology.co.uk/Fantagraphics-Sale/page/3492?tid=B140912003_Fantagraphics_Fantagraphics_Linewi)

Simon Hanselmann's charmingly debauched melancholia and Los Bros Love and Rockets comics for lower prices than they deserve!

Both have really helped me get through bad patches of mental health for very different reasons. Megg and Mogg is comforting in the way that Always Sunny is comforting - if such wretches are human, you must be human too. Love and Rockets is like being given a great extended family of cool fuck-ups and Almodovar-style mothers. Basically, all the appeal of a soap (watching characters age in real-time over 30 years of comics) but impeccably written and drawn and at least one character courtesy of each brother who you'll fall in with [for me it's Maggie in Jaime's and Venus in Gilbert's - partly cause the latter is basically my sister].

I already owned all of that so instead I made the most exciting digital purchase I've made this year - Al Columbia's Pim and Francie. I'd wanted to get hold of the hardcover collection for years but it was always so exorbitantly expensive and I never ever thought that somewhere along the way Fantagraphics might provide a scan... and I actually think a pdf. file might be the best way to read it.

Pim and Francie is like if a Walt Disney employee circa. 1929 lost their mind, became a reclusive serial killer and kept a scrapbook. Pim and Francie is that scrapbook. Or else, if Necronomicon was written in Who Framed Roger Rabbit's Toontown.

I think at first appearance it might seem like Columbia just uses basic shock tactics - combining the innocent look of old Disney with fucked up shit - but I think he's just as good (if not better) than celebrated artists like Paul McCarthy at dredging up the most infantile psychosexual horror... in many ways similar to David Lynch's visual art, but Columbia's has none of Lynch's painterly primitivism - he has serious drawing chops.

However, he also is notorious for sabotaging his own output, ripping up half-completed drawings or destroying commissioned work. As such, Pim and Francie is feat of salvage. You get traces of narrative, but the whole thing feels as though it is falling apart as the seams while you read it. I actually found the experience of reading it through very late last night while slightly feverish provided the experience I had hoped to get out of reading House of Leaves, but didn't.

This is where it being a .pdf file comes in helpful. Sometimes I was zooming right in to examine the half-erased residue of background details Columbia clearly got dissatisfied with, getting lost among the textures of paint and tippex. Other times I was turning the monitor sideways (I probably should have just rotated the file) to read scribbled notes in the margins; suddenly noticing a couple of tiny spots of blood on the page or a concerning stain on a piece taped back together after having been ripped apart in frustration or anger.

Other times I was having to zoom right out to see a whole panorama and understand that what I had thought was just a single image was actually part of a whole longer comics chain.

In short, you have to read it under the right conditions, letting yourself take the imaginative leap into engaging with the work on an intuitive, sensory level. It's kind of like Twin Peaks: The Return (//http://TwinPeaks:TheReturn) that way.

Anyway, if you like horror and 1920s-1930s animation it is recommended in the strongest possible terms...
https://www.comixology.co.uk/Pim-Francie-The-Golden-Bear-Days/digital-comic/413605 (https://www.comixology.co.uk/Pim-Francie-The-Golden-Bear-Days/digital-comic/413605)

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/S/cmx-images-prod/Item/413605/Previews/eacf0b91dbdea49973f2daf5cf2e0180._SX1280_QL80_TTD_.jpg)

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3501/4007125101_2216c855ca_b.jpg)
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on April 22, 2018, 05:44:28 PM
Quote from: gout_pony on April 08, 2018, 12:46:25 PM

Anyway, if you like horror and 1920s-1930s animation it is recommended in the strongest possible terms...
https://www.comixology.co.uk/Pim-Francie-The-Golden-Bear-Days/digital-comic/413605 (https://www.comixology.co.uk/Pim-Francie-The-Golden-Bear-Days/digital-comic/413605)


Thanks for the recommendation. Looks really good.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on April 23, 2018, 11:51:27 PM
I'd forgotten that Al Colombia started out as Bill Sienkiwicz's understudy and was embroiled in the Big Numbers controversy. ( this was backwhen Bill S had a Kubrick level of mystery)
Interesting to see this style from Colombia. It also reminds me of the Dudley Watkins' Desperate Dan art. Quite considered and intricate. Really lovely to see that mix of different media and the pencil work.

But dear lord, I wouldn't be surprised if they hid all sharp objects when Al visits the office. Or if they thanked him kindly before putting him on a watch list. That work is a dark experience.

Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: AliasTheCat on April 25, 2018, 07:59:20 PM
Ooh yes! I can't recommend Golden Bear Days enough, one of my favourites.
It's also worth picking up old copies of Blab! and Zero Zero if you can find them, as he published some wonderful (and complete!) short strips in some of those that have never been reprinted, such as Amnesia and The Trumpets They Play!

I'd kill for a publication of all his existing work.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on May 26, 2018, 09:49:30 PM
Moon Knight - Thought I'd check out Warren Ellis' run on the series as I'm a fan of his, and it was pretty strong, but only lasted six issues for some reason. Brian Wood then took over and it was still fairly interesting stuff, but then Cullen Bunn became the next writer and it became incredibly tedious stuff and the series was cancelled. Albeit only for a short while, as then Jeff Lemire rebooted it, and whilst I've only read the first five issues of his run it's been the series at it's best and I'm enjoying it a lot.

Trees - Another Ellis effort, which has a great premise (weird alien space ships land on earth, seemingly ignoring all of humanity, but they are up to something mysterious) but annoyed me slightly by killing off 90% of the characters half way through, and it became a lot less interesting due to that. The second volume ended a while back and a third is coming, but I can't say I'm that excited by the prospect considering how much it went off the boil.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Delete Delete Delete on May 26, 2018, 10:09:20 PM
Ellis has form on short runs then dropping it. I don't know if he is too in demand or just looses intrest, or just likes do one arc stories. So many chances to make historic runs, Iron Man: Extremis is one example, 6 issues then gone. Thunderbolts 11 issues, secret avengers 5 issues. Don't think hes ever gonna have that Peter David style run on a title.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on May 27, 2018, 10:45:11 AM
Quote from: Delete Delete Delete on May 26, 2018, 10:09:20 PM
Ellis has form on short runs then dropping it. I don't know if he is too in demand or just looses intrest, or just likes do one arc stories. So many chances to make historic runs, Iron Man: Extremis is one example, 6 issues then gone. Thunderbolts 11 issues, secret avengers 5 issues. Don't think hes ever gonna have that Peter David style run on a title.

Yeah, I've become increasingly frustrated by the fact that he does that, and it normally makes me a bit weary about reading his new stuff, I've tried to discover why but bar this article about how he was bored by the industry back in 2012 I haven't found anything - http://uk.ign.com/articles/2012/05/20/warren-ellis-bored-by-the-comic-business
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: hermitical on May 27, 2018, 10:54:40 AM
Is anyone reading his Injection series?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on May 27, 2018, 11:13:05 AM
I've read the first ten issues, and liked it a fair deal, but haven't read the final five yet.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: bgmnts on May 27, 2018, 11:15:29 AM
Isn't Warren Ellis meant to be a bit of a pompous bellend?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: BeardFaceMan on May 27, 2018, 11:22:16 AM
Not sure if I've asked this before but are there any good places online for selling large collections of comics? Not so much single issues, more trades and lots of hardbacks, special editions etc. Tried my local comic shop but theyre not buying, I've got stuff listed on ebay but thats taking an age to sell anything and I have a hundred or so books I'm looking to sell as quickly as possible. Any ideas?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on May 27, 2018, 10:42:28 PM
Quote from: bgmnts on May 27, 2018, 11:15:29 AM
Isn't Warren Ellis meant to be a bit of a pompous bellend?

From the interviews I've (recently) read he seems a decent enough guy, and reasonably self deprecating. But I don't know a lot about him, at least compared to other writers.

Quote from: BeardFaceMan on May 27, 2018, 11:22:16 AM
Not sure if I've asked this before but are there any good places online for selling large collections of comics? Not so much single issues, more trades and lots of hardbacks, special editions etc. Tried my local comic shop but theyre not buying, I've got stuff listed on ebay but thats taking an age to sell anything and I have a hundred or so books I'm looking to sell as quickly as possible. Any ideas?

I'm afraid not. I sold a lot of my collection on ebay and did pretty well out of it, but that was over ten years ago when the site was more popular. It might be worth joining a couple of comics forums / facebook groups and posting links to what you're selling though, as long as the rules allow such a thing.

Faith issues 1 and 2 - The adventures of an overweight female superhero, I liked this an awful lot. It's got a great sense of humour and the art is damn lovely.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: bgmnts on May 27, 2018, 11:09:15 PM
Has anyone read any of Alan  Moore's Swamp Thing run?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Bhazor on May 28, 2018, 12:47:40 PM
Just got into porn with a plot comic Alfie. Fantasy bumming adventure with some of the absolute best artwork I've seen in any graphic novel let alone in a daily web comic. Light, silly and sexy with surprisingly likeable and funny characters.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: gout_pony on May 29, 2018, 12:48:44 AM
The new Love and Rocket single issue really clarified for me the thematics of Volume IV w/r both Gilbert's and Jaime's respective long-form stories (the Hoppers punk reunion with accompanying flashbacks; Fritz's twin daughters moving in together with their mother).

Jaime currently seems like he is working through the difficulties of Gen X mapping Millennial politics onto their past experiences - lots of tricky questioning of what accountability means; the difference between experiencing being a teenager and looking back onto your teen years in retrospect; questioning whether people really change and what change even means when it comes to identity and behaviour.

Gilbert seems to still be interested in the complex intersections between pornography and art, but this is increasingly infused by his navigation of being a father to a teenage girl. I really hope this leads to a return of Venus as a character (esp. as she is the only L&R character almost exactly the same age as myself in real time).

Up till today, I'd felt like Vol. 4 was a real step down after the remarkable heights of (esp. Jaime's work in) New Stories/ Vol. 3, but this one really hit it out of the park for me. Los Hernandos forever!
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Phil_A on May 30, 2018, 12:33:19 AM
Finished the first volume of the newly reprinted Charley's War last night. Fucking extraordinary. Page after page of painstakingly detailed WW1 carnage, with a simmering resentment of the British class system and the army's mistreatment of it's own men bubbling all the way through.

(https://i2.wp.com/downthetubes.net/wp-content/uploads/2004/01/cw271079p01.jpg)
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: bgmnts on May 30, 2018, 12:38:32 AM
Quote from: Bhazor on May 28, 2018, 12:47:40 PM
Just got into porn with a plot comic Alfie. Fantasy bumming adventure with some of the absolute best artwork I've seen in any graphic novel let alone in a daily web comic. Light, silly and sexy with surprisingly likeable and funny characters.

There is a title called Cherry if you are interested in silly porn comic books.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: samadriel on May 30, 2018, 09:44:59 AM
Speaking of porn webcomics, OGLAF.com is frequently a good laugh.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Gulftastic on May 30, 2018, 12:12:41 PM
Quote from: bgmnts on May 27, 2018, 11:09:15 PM
Has anyone read any of Alan  Moore's Swamp Thing run?

Yes. It's prime Moore. One of my favourite things he's ever done.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: BeardFaceMan on May 30, 2018, 01:07:44 PM
You know when you see a comic book on Amazon and its listed for a couple of hundred quid, is that some kind of automated listing error or do books really go for those prices?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Phil_A on May 30, 2018, 01:51:22 PM
Quote from: BeardFaceMan on May 30, 2018, 01:07:44 PM
You know when you see a comic book on Amazon and its listed for a couple of hundred quid, is that some kind of automated listing error or do books really go for those prices?

I'm fairly sure those prices are automatically generated based on perceived scarcity. Like when you see some random OOP title going for 10,000 quid it doesn't necessarily reflect any kind of real world value.

Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: BeardFaceMan on May 30, 2018, 09:01:18 PM
Quote from: Phil_A on May 30, 2018, 01:51:22 PM
I'm fairly sure those prices are automatically generated based on perceived scarcity. Like when you see some random OOP title going for 10,000 quid it doesn't necessarily reflect any kind of real world value.

Yeah thats what I thought. I had a look at listing some stuff on Amazon instead of ebay and one of the books I have is listed at 1200 quid,  I know theres no chance of getting anything like that for it, just wondered if they really do sell at anything like that. Its going for around 100 quid on ebay and at least you can check on there how much things have sold for in the past, I'm not aware of being able to do that on Amazon.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: bgmnts on May 30, 2018, 09:28:04 PM
Quote from: Gulftastic on May 30, 2018, 12:12:41 PM
Yes. It's prime Moore. One of my favourite things he's ever done.

I have only read Watchmen, League and V which are relatively short series if I am correct.

Does it read like those or a more traditional ongoing comic book series?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on May 31, 2018, 04:20:51 AM
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on May 26, 2018, 09:49:30 PM
Moon Knight - Thought I'd check out Warren Ellis' run on the series as I'm a fan of his, and it was pretty strong, but only lasted six issues for some reason.

Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on May 26, 2018, 09:49:30 PM
for some reason

Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on May 26, 2018, 09:49:30 PM
Warren Ellis
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on May 31, 2018, 04:25:09 AM
Quote from: bgmnts on May 30, 2018, 09:28:04 PM
I have only read Watchmen, League and V which are relatively short series if I am correct.

Does it read like those or a more traditional ongoing comic book series?

It develops from a monster-of-the-month thing into something a wee bit more philosophical, but it's mostly a very accessible comic. Certainly moreso than the other stuff of Moore's that you read.

If you want something even more accessible, check out his two volumes of Top 10. TV cop show tropes in a city where everyone from the mayor down to the bums are superheroes. Really, hugely enjoyable and quite affecting in places. It was followed by a miniseries - Smax - and a graphic novel - The 49ers - which are less successful, but still good.

All of the non-Moore Top 10 stuff I've read has been atrocious so a pod like the plague.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: magval on May 31, 2018, 08:37:35 AM
Quote from: BeardFaceMan on May 30, 2018, 01:07:44 PM
You know when you see a comic book on Amazon and its listed for a couple of hundred quid, is that some kind of automated listing error or do books really go for those prices?

Sometimes they do, yeah. I've both bought and sold books on Amazon in excess of £200. Mostly it is a listing error though. I've emailed about a few and it turns out the stores don't have them in stock.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: studpuppet on May 31, 2018, 08:50:48 PM
Quote from: BeardFaceMan on May 30, 2018, 01:07:44 PM
You know when you see a comic book on Amazon and its listed for a couple of hundred quid, is that some kind of automated listing error or do books really go for those prices?

Listen to this on book pricing algorithms:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p05w5d72 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p05w5d72)
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: bgmnts on May 31, 2018, 08:55:34 PM
Quote from: Mister Six on May 31, 2018, 04:25:09 AM
It develops from a monster-of-the-month thing into something a wee bit more philosophical, but it's mostly a very accessible comic. Certainly moreso than the other stuff of Moore's that you read.

If you want something even more accessible, check out his two volumes of Top 10. TV cop show tropes in a city where everyone from the mayor down to the bums are superheroes. Really, hugely enjoyable and quite affecting in places. It was followed by a miniseries - Smax - and a graphic novel - The 49ers - which are less successful, but still good.

All of the non-Moore Top 10 stuff I've read has been atrocious so a pod like the plague.

Ooohh okay! Ta!
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Custard on June 02, 2018, 01:18:22 AM
Anyone read Wytches by Scott Snyder?

Just finished it, and loved every inch of it. A genuinely scary and disturbing horror story. Lovely art, too

Verrrr gut
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: magval on June 02, 2018, 09:24:08 AM
Aye, it was fucking good actually. I don't like Snyder generally though, but this was definitely enjoyable.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: BeardFaceMan on June 02, 2018, 12:02:07 PM
Was it just the six issues with Wytches? I was always expecting it to come back for more. Isn't it being made into a film now?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Custard on June 02, 2018, 01:36:31 PM
Yeah, was a "one shot" story, apparently.

The film rights have been bought by Brad Pitt, of all people.

I can imagine it'd be a good film, but I doubt it'd get anywhere near the atmosphere and feel of the book. Both of which will haunt me for a fair while!
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Custard on June 03, 2018, 04:03:28 PM
Comixology could end up bankrupting me.

There was a DC sale last week, and I bought all four volumes of Batman's No Man's Land for 4 squid each. That's some excellent stuff right there. Some of the best Batman, I'd say. So well written and plotted.

Also got the Superman Brainiac series, and that is also ace. They should make that the next Supes film. Really well done

Now reading Greg Rucka's Punisher run. It's not as strong as Garth Ennis' Punisher Max run, but then not much is. Pretty good though

Also bought the first volume of Paper Girls, I Kill Giants, and 30 Days Of Night.

I feel a bit worried about buying digital stuff, and I would much rather have the physical books, but this flat can't house many more, and Mrs Custard might throw me out

It's very enjoyable reading comics on the go though, and having it all there on the phone whenever you want. I just worry Comixology will die one day, and it'll all vanish. Do I sound like a caveman?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on June 03, 2018, 05:32:33 PM
Quote from: Shameless Custard on June 03, 2018, 04:03:28 PM
It's very enjoyable reading comics on the go though, and having it all there on the phone whenever you want. I just worry Comixology will die one day, and it'll all vanish. Do I sound like a caveman?

It may well die one day, not many websites last forever, but hopefully it should be around for a long while yet.

Being broke / evil I read all my comics for free - http://readcomiconline.to/ - but when I'm in work again I plan to start collecting again.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: mikeyg27 on June 03, 2018, 06:05:43 PM
Given that Comixology is owned by Amazon, I think worrying about it going bankrupt any time soon isn't worth the bother. It seems more likely that it ends up getting merged into Amazon proper and becomes Amazon Comics or some shit like that.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: BeardFaceMan on June 03, 2018, 06:20:50 PM
It took me a long time to ween myself off CDs and go digital for my music, the thing that helped was that I could download the music and keep it on my hard drive so it still felt like i was buyimg something, even if it was just a .rar file. Theres no way I could pay to read a comic online, I'd need to have my own offline copy of it.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Spiteface on June 03, 2018, 06:23:04 PM
I love Comixology for monthly stuff. I buy comics to read, not bag & board them. I still prefer physical for collected editions etc though.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: BeardFaceMan on June 03, 2018, 06:40:32 PM
I dont really like the format of monthly comics, too long inbetween each issue, I always wait for the trade now so I can read the story in one go, I havent bought monthlies for years. The only thing that would persuade me would be a downloadable digital version, not just paying to read it online. It would have to be quite a deal though to get over my preference of the physical with the digital. With books I'm starting to get used to reading them on a tablet, although still go paper when I can, but with a comic I really want to have the book in my hands to properly enjoy it, especially if its on nice paper or an oversized edition or something.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: mikeyg27 on June 03, 2018, 08:33:08 PM
Quote from: BeardFaceMan on June 03, 2018, 06:20:50 PM
It took me a long time to ween myself off CDs and go digital for my music, the thing that helped was that I could download the music and keep it on my hard drive so it still felt like i was buyimg something, even if it was just a .rar file. Theres no way I could pay to read a comic online, I'd need to have my own offline copy of it.

It depends on the publisher, but you can do this with Comixology - there's a Backups section of your account which features DRM-free downloads of CBZs and PDFs of stuff you have bought. I don't think Marvel or DC allow it, but Image do (and Oni) and most of my digital reading of their stuff is actually done by reading those files in Perfect Viewer off a micro-SD card (since my tablet has pretty low internal memory and the Comixology files can end up taking a lot of it up).

Comixology is great on a full-size tablet, but I find it pointless on a phone / mini-tablet or even a laptop screen. It might be alright on a decent sized desktop screen though.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on June 06, 2018, 09:09:19 PM
Quote from: Gulftastic on May 30, 2018, 12:12:41 PM
Yes. It's prime Moore. One of my favourite things he's ever done.

I've read so much of Moore's work but for some unknown reason not Swamp Thing. At least until tonight, have just started it now and am enjoying it a lot.

Also, recently:

The Hellblazer 22 - Now written by Hack/Slash's Tim Seeley, it's pretty weak stuff. John's hanging out with The Huntress for some reason and Nergal's still trying to murder him, but it's melodramatic and fairly silly stuff, whilst the art's slightly cartoonish and disappointing as well. I've just learnt that it's been cancelled as of issue 24 and am quite pleased, especially as apparently Vertigo is being relaunched this year and there are rumours Hellblazer will become a mature readers series again.

Faith - As mentioned in an earlier post, I've now read everything that she's appeared in and fallen in love with the character. It's easily the most fun superhero comic I've read in ages, and would recommend it to all.

Dan Dare - Peter Milligan wrote a four issue mini-series recently that sees the Mekon captured and after years of therapy seemingly no longer evil. But is all as it seems? And what exactly is going on with that fuck off massive Treen ship which can blow up moons? This is by no means anything amazing but I'm fond of the character and Milligan captures him well, and I'm looking forward to a second mini-series that's due to start soon.

X-Men Wedding Special - Thought I'd give this a go due to the amusing title, but rather than being filled with marital fun it's about Kitty Pryde and her boyfriend's respective hen / stag do's, and it's dull and all a bit pointless. Boo.

The Walking Dead 179 - In which Robert Kirkman takes pot shots at the class system, and it's unsurprisingly incredibly tedious.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: bgmnts on June 06, 2018, 09:23:40 PM
Kitty Pryde's boyfriend?

Is it the issue where she agrees to marry Caliban or is it Colossus? Or is this new?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on June 06, 2018, 10:52:44 PM
Quote from: bgmnts on June 06, 2018, 09:23:40 PM
Kitty Pryde's boyfriend?

Is it the issue where she agrees to marry Caliban or is it Colossus? Or is this new?

It's new, and she's marrying Colossus, though that doesn't actually happen in the issue itself.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on June 07, 2018, 11:46:27 PM
News is starting to emerge about the new range of Vertigo titles: https://news.avclub.com/dc-to-relaunch-vertigo-line-with-new-books-from-ben-bla-1826650926

Justice League 1 - Written by Scott Snyder I thought I'd give it a shot as I know many rate him highly, but I found it a bit by the numbers. It's epic in scale but the various characters seem blandly written, whilst the art is a bit shoddy.

The Walking Dead 180 - The final part of New World Order storyline, except it isn't, as nothing has been resolved at all. Rick finally meets the leader of the Commonwealth and they argue a bit and look annoyed with each other and that's it. If I'd paid money for this I'd be furious.

Paper Girls - 1 - 3 - Only read the first three issues so far but I'm hooked. It's a weird mystery thing set in the eighties from Brian K. Vaughan and fuck knows quite what's happening to our gang of Paper Girls, but it looks awfully like the end of the world, except far more complicated than that.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: samadriel on June 08, 2018, 10:23:39 AM
Haven't got vol 3 yet, but I was going to bring up Paper Girls -- I loved the fish-out-of-water stuff with the '80s kids in the modern day -- "Are we rich?!".  Interesting villains too.  I was a bit iffy on Y: The Last Man (although I haven't read all that much of that one), but with this and Saga, Vaughan can do no wrong for me.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on June 08, 2018, 10:36:22 PM
Quote from: samadriel on June 08, 2018, 10:23:39 AM
Haven't got vol 3 yet, but I was going to bring up Paper Girls -- I loved the fish-out-of-water stuff with the '80s kids in the modern day -- "Are we rich?!".  Interesting villains too.  I was a bit iffy on Y: The Last Man (although I haven't read all that much of that one), but with this and Saga, Vaughan can do no wrong for me.

I'm a big fan of his as well, though Y The Last Man is my least favourite of his, I enjoyed it a certain extent but it isn't as imaginative as his recent work. I'm now up to date with Paper Girls and loved every minute of it, reading it on a monthly basis is going to be all rather annoying now.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Custard on June 09, 2018, 06:40:47 AM
Well, you're not wrong about the latest Walking Dead. What a damp fart

Been reading that RoboCop: Dead Or Alive series, that follows directly from the first film. It's not bad, but the writing is a little wobbly, and the dialogue can be a bit rubs

Bought the first Saga omnibus too, so looking forward to finally checking that series out
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on June 10, 2018, 12:22:46 PM
Doom Patrol 11 - A complete mess, I really don't like Way's run on this series, it's too forced, too wacky, without having any depth and all of the characters are thinly drawn. It's now been cancelled (along with everything under the Young Animal imprint) but Way is claiming he'll be bringing the series back at a later date unfortunately.

Also on a Doom Patrol note, there's to be a tv series coming soon - https://news.avclub.com/dc-universe-picks-up-a-live-action-doom-patrol-series-f-1826020957 - but unfortunately it's being produced by Greg Berlanti (of the CW DC Universe series infamy) and the pilot has been written by Jeremy Carver (the US Being Human, Frequency, some Supernatural episodes) so I can't imagine it'll be anything that special.

Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Pinckle Wicker on June 10, 2018, 10:27:55 PM
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on June 07, 2018, 11:46:27 PM
The Walking Dead 180 - The final part of New World Order storyline, except it isn't, as nothing has been resolved at all. Rick finally meets the leader of the Commonwealth and they argue a bit and look annoyed with each other and that's it. If I'd paid money for this I'd be furious.

Yep, totally agree with that. Just read it too. Wtf! It's like everything RK's TWD is going to a shambolic fizzle. 
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on June 12, 2018, 02:35:37 PM
Descender 1 - 5 - Written by Jeff Lemire (who I'm extremely fond of) and published by Image, this is a big sci-fi epic where a bunch of enormous robots wipe out billions of people on various planets, only to then disappear. Ten years later our (mostly) human heroes discover there's a link to them in a range of child robots who were once popular but now only one exists, and unfortunately for all involved there's a bunch of alien scavanger types on a mission to destroy all robots as they're still dead annoyed about the various massacres a decade ago. Rereading that I know I've made it sound a bit shit but it is a lot of fun, the art's mostly beautiful, and it's a really intriguing mystery complete with a cast of great characters. It started in 2015 and is now up to issue 30, and reportedly beginning it's end game, which pleases as I'm not a fan of series which outstay their welcome.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: bushwick on June 13, 2018, 02:11:30 PM
Has anyone read any of the recent GI Joe Vs Transformers comics? I've got the free comic book day issue but might have to get the rest. Real breath of fresh air - lovely cosmic psychedelic Kirbyish art, great page layouts and kinda sincere and fun, not super-ironic or grimdark. Not a million miles away from what Michael Fiffe does (I need to get some of his stuff too).
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on June 13, 2018, 06:44:15 PM
Plutona - A five issue mini-series from Jeff Lemire, I thought it was a bit shit unfortunately. When a bunch of kids find a dead superhero in the woods they aren't sure what to do, but it's all rather bland stuff and the art is very weak and far too cartoonish. Which is a real shame, and as mentioned above I normally like Lemire a great deal, but this is easily for me the worst thing he's done.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: magval on June 13, 2018, 06:54:04 PM
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on June 13, 2018, 06:44:15 PM
Plutona - A five issue mini-series from Jeff Lemire, I thought it was a bit shit unfortunately. When a bunch of kids find a dead superhero in the woods they aren't sure what to do, but it's all rather bland stuff and the art is very weak and far too cartoonish. Which is a real shame, and as mentioned above I normally like Lemire a great deal, but this is easily for me the worst thing he's done.

I enjoyed it but remember nothing about it.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on June 13, 2018, 07:37:38 PM
Quote from: magval on June 13, 2018, 06:54:04 PM
I enjoyed it but remember nothing about it.

I wouldn't have been so harsh about it if I didn't feel Lemire fucked the ending completely. I didn't buy in to the idea that Plutona would leave behind children who are begging for her help, it wasn't in line with what we knew about the character previously and the way it all wrapped up felt like a damp squib too.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on June 17, 2018, 01:38:44 AM
Judge Dredd Superfiend - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRLlICw1UWk - Intentionally silly fan made Dredd cartoon which isn't very good. Starts off with the origin of Judge Death before bringing Rico and Dredd in to events, it's stylish but Dredd acts out of character and it's all a bit too daft and over the top in general for my liking.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Phil_A on June 17, 2018, 09:29:57 AM
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on June 17, 2018, 01:38:44 AM
Judge Dredd Superfiend - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRLlICw1UWk - Intentionally silly fan made Dredd cartoon which isn't very good. Starts off with the origin of Judge Death before bringing Rico and Dredd in to events, it's stylish but Dredd acts out of character and it's all a bit too daft and over the top in general for my liking.

Urgh, I hate that. It was made by one of the producers of the Dredd movie but there is nothing official about it. He's a rich brat trading on the brand to boost his little vanity projects.

I recommend instead reading The Fall Of Deadworld, a non-canon re-telling of the Dark Judges origins with magnificently fucked-up art from Dave Kendall, which was apparently inspired by a nightmare.

(http://comicsalliance.com/files/2015/08/Judges02.jpg)
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on June 17, 2018, 04:57:49 PM
Quote from: Phil_A on June 17, 2018, 09:29:57 AM
Urgh, I hate that. It was made by one of the producers of the Dredd movie but there is nothing official about it. He's a rich brat trading on the brand to boost his little vanity projects.

I recommend instead reading The Fall Of Deadworld, a non-canon re-telling of the Dark Judges origins with magnificently fucked-up art from Dave Kendall, which was apparently inspired by a nightmare.

(http://comicsalliance.com/files/2015/08/Judges02.jpg)

I thought it started off okay, sure it was deeply idiotic but Death's origin story entertained, but as soon as Dredd turned up it became bloody awful.

And thanks for the recommendation of The Fall of Deadworld, I shall check that out asap.
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Post by: Small Man Big Horse on June 17, 2018, 11:00:59 PM
And I did, and I liked it a lot, so thank you again for the recommendation. Have a feeling given what we know about Judge Death that Jess Childs isn't going to be long for this world, but it'd be pleasing if she did somehow survive, as this is non-canon I guess there's a chance. The art is absolutely beautiful too, though I can imagine that'll mean it'll be a long old while before the series is finally complete.

I also read the most recent five issues of 2000AD but apart from Deathworld found it to be pretty dull. The Dredd strips were a disappointment, Durham Red is a character I'm fond of but this was by the numbers stuff, whilst I found Survival Geeks to be awful. I'm all for 2000AD having more humour in it but this was painfully unfunny.
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Post by: Custard on June 18, 2018, 10:19:44 AM
Talking of Dredd, can anyone recommend any good stories from the past few years?

I've read a few of the Case Files, and America. Oh, and that Batman crossover thing.

Can anyone recommend any good 'uns?
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Post by: Phil_A on June 18, 2018, 07:12:46 PM
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on June 17, 2018, 11:00:59 PM
And I did, and I liked it a lot, so thank you again for the recommendation. Have a feeling given what we know about Judge Death that Jess Childs isn't going to be long for this world, but it'd be pleasing if she did somehow survive, as this is non-canon I guess there's a chance. The art is absolutely beautiful too, though I can imagine that'll mean it'll be a long old while before the series is finally complete.

I also read the most recent five issues of 2000AD but apart from Deathworld found it to be pretty dull. The Dredd strips were a disappointment, Durham Red is a character I'm fond of but this was by the numbers stuff, whilst I found Survival Geeks to be awful. I'm all for 2000AD having more humour in it but this was painfully unfunny.

Not to worry, I think Tharg recognises the value of Deadworld as bit of a sleeper hit, it's been kept in pretty regular rotation since it began.

Heh, I see you didn't think Skip Tracer was even worth mentioning, and to be honest I can't believe they even thought it was worth commissioning. It's such a tired load of cyberpunk cliches with nothing other than the dependable Paul Marshall's art to recommend it. Unless there's some amazing surprise twist coming up I'm writing this one off as a bit of a dud. A Bison for the 2010s(now there's a deep cut).

Survival Geeks seems to be filling the same role as the very similar Bec & Kawl did a decade ago, a pop-culture savvy strip aimed at a younger audience than would typically go for 2000AD. Unfortunately that wasn't terribly successful or popular, and I'm not sure whether this is either. It's just trying too hard.

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Post by: Small Man Big Horse on July 03, 2018, 07:39:18 PM
Quote from: Phil_A on June 18, 2018, 07:12:46 PM
Not to worry, I think Tharg recognises the value of Deadworld as bit of a sleeper hit, it's been kept in pretty regular rotation since it began.

Heh, I see you didn't think Skip Tracer was even worth mentioning, and to be honest I can't believe they even thought it was worth commissioning. It's such a tired load of cyberpunk cliches with nothing other than the dependable Paul Marshall's art to recommend it. Unless there's some amazing surprise twist coming up I'm writing this one off as a bit of a dud. A Bison for the 2010s(now there's a deep cut).

Survival Geeks seems to be filling the same role as the very similar Bec & Kawl did a decade ago, a pop-culture savvy strip aimed at a younger audience than would typically go for 2000AD. Unfortunately that wasn't terribly successful or popular, and I'm not sure whether this is either. It's just trying too hard.

I completely agree with everything you say there. I used to like the odd lighthearted story (Hewligan's Haircut, Bradley) but Survival Geeks is just embarrassing when compared to those two. Hell, even Big Dave was better!

Black Hammer 1 - 13 - Another Jeff Lemire series, where a bunch of ageing superheros are mysteriously transported to a small town and unable to escape it, I read the first 9 issues of ages ago but forgot most of it due to smoking so much weed back then. Really enjoyed re-reading it, anyhow, along with the 4 new issues, and I definitely plan to read the new Age of Doom series when I have the time.
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Post by: Spiteface on July 03, 2018, 08:59:09 PM
All-Change for Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers in a few months. New creative team after Shattered Grid ends, and with that a new team:

(http://www.syfy.com/sites/syfy/files/2018/06/power-rangers-31-new-team-cover-1116189.jpeg)
I'm weirded out that they're still calling it Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers. At best ONE of them is from MMPR, and even this version of Pink, aka "Ranger Slayer" is an alternate reality version of Kimberly. The thing that got people interested though was blue guy in the bottom right. He's a ranger from Zyuden Sentai Kyoryuger that never made it over into Power Rangers Dino Charge. This new team suggests that the original rangers aren't making it out of Shattered Grid alive, though. Tommy's already been offed by the evil alternate reality version of himself (same reality as Ranger Slayer).

Boom has been on fire with these though. They've even made Bulk and Skull tolerable.
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Post by: Norton Canes on July 04, 2018, 04:48:43 PM
Really enjoying 2000 AD at the moment, I think it's firing on all cylinders after a poor run of ten issues from the start of this year that contained not one but two incredibly ponderous Pat Mills borefests (Savage and The ABC Warriors).

Right now there's not just Damned, the latest book of Deadworld but script droid Kek-W's other ongoing series The Order, which some find impenetrable but I love. Quite liking the new Durham Red strip but I do miss Ezquerra's crazy take on her. Skip Tracer is like a relic from the 70's progs, some kind of Alan Hebden potboiler, and for that reason alone it's great. The Dredd strips are variable, can't say any of the stories from the last year or so have completely blown me away. The one-shots often miss the mark and the longer stories are often plain dull. For all the strip's flexibility it seems no-one can write Judge Dredd quite like John Wagner. 

And that last burst of Survival Geeks was fantastic! Though the fact it took so many swipes at Doctor Who might have had a lot to do with that.

Also Dan Abnett's phenomenal series Brink and Kingdom are returning soon.
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Post by: Shaky on July 07, 2018, 05:34:03 AM
Sad news - the mighty Steve Ditko has passed away:

http://ew.com/books/2018/07/06/steve-ditko-dead-spider-man-doctor-strange-dies/
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Post by: magval on July 07, 2018, 09:46:51 AM
Took a mighty effort not to reply to any of the hundreds of tweets I scrolled through last night proclaiming devastation - always "devastated" - that he'd died.

No-one knew a fucking thing about him and he hadn't worked high profile in decades.

Ditko was a great artist. Never got it when I was younger but now I'd take it over Romita on those early Spidey stories. It was cool as fuck too that he wanted his anonymity and he held onto to it right up until he died, like in this era that's a truly remarkable achievement. The people who did know him must have really respected him for nothing to EVER slip through, like. Unless no-one actually did know him.

Shame the Internet is full of people posting about how personally upset they are about it alongside Jack Kirby's cover for Amazing Fantasy 15, like, but such is the Internet. My own fault for looking.
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Post by: Small Man Big Horse on July 07, 2018, 05:16:53 PM
Just read the latest Walking Dead which was tedious as ever, but the worst part is in the letters page where someone wrote in to tell the world that they've named their child Negan. I have of course already called child services.
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Post by: Phil_A on July 16, 2018, 09:03:23 PM
Just been announced Duncan Jones is doing a Rogue Trooper movie. Huh!

https://twitter.com/ManMadeMoon/status/1018540768561004546

Rogue wouldn't have been my first choice to adapt(Strontium Dog is surely crying out for it), but still really good news for future 2000AD projects in general if they can get a name like Jones attached.

Now if only that Mega City One series would emerge from development hell...
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Post by: Sin Agog on July 17, 2018, 11:58:22 AM
Re-read Warren Ellis' Freakangels last week.  Wish he'd do more stuff like this, as even though some of the Britpop-era references sound a bit twee today, it's still one of the best hang-out comics I've ever read.

Also re-reading Drifting Classroom, a manga from the '70s about a school whisked throuh time into a perilous future. Seem to recall that this was published in a pretty family-friendly magazine, which is bizarre, as it was completely brutal at times (obviously it pre-empted Battle Royale) and with a distinct eldritch, Weird Fiction aura that I love.  One of the best manga out there, fo' sho'.  The guy who did Hausu made a pretty fun, schlocky movie of it in the '80s, though from what I can remember the plot got pretty bowlderised.  Still worth watching, as is a lot of his post-Hausu stuff.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on July 17, 2018, 01:36:30 PM
Quote from: Phil_A on July 16, 2018, 09:03:23 PM
Just been announced Duncan Jones is doing a Rogue Trooper movie. Huh!

https://twitter.com/ManMadeMoon/status/1018540768561004546

Rogue wouldn't have been my first choice to adapt(Strontium Dog is surely crying out for it), but still really good news for future 2000AD projects in general if they can get a name like Jones attached.

Now if only that Mega City One series would emerge from development hell...

I was a bit disappointed by the news, I've never been a huge fan of Rogue Trooper, the original run had it's moments but it's not a series I've ever loved (and the Friday vs. even less so, indeed that was one of the dullest series 2000AD ever published). Given all of the series that have been created over the years it's frustrating that something more interesting wasn't chosen.
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Post by: studpuppet on July 17, 2018, 10:18:19 PM
Did enjoy seeing this posted by PJ Holden on Twitter earlier in response to what the fourth slot was for.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DiTidPeWAAEHkAS.jpg:large)
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Post by: Pinckle Wicker on July 18, 2018, 01:49:16 AM
Just finished Sweet Tooth , which was immensely satisfying. I couldn't really predict where the story was going at all, which is always good too given the cliches that can riddle the genre. Had me all welling up at a few parts, which is very unusual for a comic. Reminded me of Lone Wolf and Cub a bit.
Just started Descenders (thanks SMBH) again an extremely immersing universe and storyline so far. Both of these are by Jeff Lemire, anyone got any further recommendations of his work? He is bloody good.
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Post by: chveik on July 18, 2018, 02:17:39 AM
Quote from: Pinckle Wicker on July 18, 2018, 01:49:16 AM
Just finished Sweet Tooth , which was immensely satisfying. I couldn't really predict where the story was going at all, which is always good too given the cliches that can riddle the genre. Had me all welling up at a few parts, which is very unusual for a comic. Reminded me of Lone Wolf and Cub a bit.
Just started Descenders (thanks SMBH) again an extremely immersing universe and storyline so far. Both of these are by Jeff Lemire, anyone got any further recommendations of his work? He is bloody good.

Trillium and The Underwater Welder are great.
I was quite moved by Sweet Tooth too.
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Post by: Pinckle Wicker on July 18, 2018, 02:25:16 PM
Quote from: chveik on July 18, 2018, 02:17:39 AM
Trillium and The Underwater Welder are great.
I was quite moved by Sweet Tooth too.

I have a copy of The Underwater Welder, I bought in 2012 I think. I will dig it out as I can't really remember it now. Will also check out Trillium, thanks.
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Post by: Small Man Big Horse on July 18, 2018, 04:11:39 PM
Quote from: Pinckle Wicker on July 18, 2018, 01:49:16 AM
Just finished Sweet Tooth , which was immensely satisfying. I couldn't really predict where the story was going at all, which is always good too given the cliches that can riddle the genre. Had me all welling up at a few parts, which is very unusual for a comic. Reminded me of Lone Wolf and Cub a bit.
Just started Descenders (thanks SMBH) again an extremely immersing universe and storyline so far. Both of these are by Jeff Lemire, anyone got any further recommendations of his work? He is bloody good.

I'm a big fan of Jeff Lemire's, and would recommend Black Hammer, and his run on Animal Man to start off with, though it helps if you've read Grant Morrison's superb 1990's take on the character. The only series of his I wasn't a fan of was Plutona, which ended weakly, but otherwise it's rare I wouldn't recommend something by him.
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Post by: Pinckle Wicker on July 18, 2018, 04:20:57 PM
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on July 18, 2018, 04:11:39 PM
I'm a big fan of Jeff Lemire's, and would recommend Black Hammer, and his run on Animal Man to start off with, though it helps if you've read Grant Morrison's superb 1990's take on the character. The only series of his I wasn't a fan of was Plutona, which ended weakly, but otherwise it's rare I wouldn't recommend something by him.

I have read BlackHammer up until it finished its first series last year, I think. Has it restarted then? Iirc The original BH's daughter disappeared. Again, brillliant and didn't realise it was Lemire's work until now. He really does seem to be a pretty brilliant writer/artist.
I also have Grant Morrison's Animal Man omnibus, which to my shame I have still not read as yet. Bought a load of books over the years and missed a few as moved house a few times and boxed a lot up and plum forgot I had em. Cheers for that.
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Post by: Small Man Big Horse on July 18, 2018, 05:02:39 PM
Quote from: Pinckle Wicker on July 18, 2018, 04:20:57 PM
I have read BlackHammer up until it finished its first series last year, I think. Has it restarted then? Iirc The original BH's daughter disappeared. Again, brillliant and didn't realise it was Lemire's work until now. He really does seem to be a pretty brilliant writer/artist.
I also have Grant Morrison's Animal Man omnibus, which to my shame I have still not read as yet. Bought a load of books over the years and missed a few as moved house a few times and boxed a lot up and plum forgot I had em. Cheers for that.

Yeah, it restarted a few months ago under the title Black Hammer: Age of Doom, and there's a couple of spin-off comics like Sherlock Frankenstein and the Legion of Evil, The Quantum Age and Doctor Star & The Kingdom Of Lost Tomorrows. And I hope you enjoy Animal Man, it's one of my all time favourite series, though after Morrison left it's not worth reading.
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Post by: Pinckle Wicker on July 18, 2018, 08:02:43 PM
Thanks again SMBH you have opened me up to some fantatsic stuff there, really appreciate that.

I also read the excellent Big Man Plans just recently too. Another very emotive storyline of revenge and redemptionstudded with complete brutality and violence Highly recommended, for those that sorta thing.
https://imagecomics.com/comics/series/big-man-plans (https://imagecomics.com/comics/series/big-man-plans)


Another one that has been running for a number of years, that I completely missed when it came out is The Killer https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Killer_(comics) (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Killer_(comics))  An epic tale of a nameless assasin and the various situations that he becomes embroiled in when things don't go to plan.

I will need to post a bit more here as as binging on loads of stuff recently due to having some time on my hands to do some reading, for a change. Hence my post count has gone up a bit in the past few days too.
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Post by: Artie Fufkin on July 19, 2018, 11:52:56 AM
Quote from: Pinckle Wicker on July 18, 2018, 08:02:43 PM

Another one that has been running for a number of years, that I completely missed when it came out is The Killer https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Killer_(comics) (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Killer_(comics))  An epic tale of a nameless assasin and the various situations that he becomes embroiled in when things don't go to plan.



Loved this, yeah. So cool. I can't seem to find the final volume anywhere, though (digital).
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Post by: Pinckle Wicker on July 19, 2018, 02:34:09 PM
Quote from: Artie Fufkin on July 19, 2018, 11:52:56 AM
Loved this, yeah. So cool. I can't seem to find the final volume anywhere, though (digital).

If you do a quick google search on it you will def get in on digital 😉
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: BeardFaceMan on July 19, 2018, 02:47:18 PM
I'm getting into crime and noir stuff, Brian Azzarello, Ed Brubaker, that sort of thing. What authors/series should I be giving a go?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on July 19, 2018, 03:08:02 PM
I read nineteen issues of Old Man Logan by Jeff Lemire last night and enjoyed it a fair bit. It's not his best work but it's an enjoyable enough romp, and the art is mostly beautiful stuff. I wouldn't recommend anyone buying it as each issue only took about three or four minutes to read, but it's available to view online at: http://readcomiconline.to/ (along with a ridiculous amount of other comics).

Also, a while back we discussed whether there were any decent comic news and reviews sites and I couldn't find any, but I've recently discovered http://www.multiversitycomics.com/ which isn't brilliant but does at least cover more unusual stuff, and has led me to checking out some cool comics i'd have missed otherwise.
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Post by: Pinckle Wicker on July 19, 2018, 06:11:46 PM
Quote from: BeardFaceMan on July 19, 2018, 02:47:18 PM
I'm getting into crime and noir stuff, Brian Azzarello, Ed Brubaker, that sort of thing. What authors/series should I be giving a go?


I will have a rifle about in my boxes but straight away I will say Criminal. It's a bit cliched but gritty and noir to the max.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_(comics) (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_(comics))
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Post by: BeardFaceMan on July 19, 2018, 06:31:23 PM
Quote from: Pinckle Wicker on July 19, 2018, 06:11:46 PM

I will have a rifle about in my boxes but straight away I will say Criminal. It's a bit cliched but gritty and noir to the max.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_(comics) (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_(comics))

Yeah that was the series that started me off on noir. I fell in love with the painting of a bloke with a broken nose smoking a fag on the cover of one of the collected editions of Criminal and had to get it, I'd love a big fuck off poster of that painting, I don't know what it is, its just mesmerising. I've read pretty much all Brubakers stuff now (apart from his straight superhero comics), I'm looking for somewhere to go next.
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Post by: Pinckle Wicker on July 19, 2018, 06:43:17 PM
Quote from: BeardFaceMan on July 19, 2018, 06:31:23 PM
Yeah that was the series that started me off on noir. I fell in love with the painting of a bloke with a broken nose smoking a fag on the cover of one of the collected editions of Criminal and had to get it, I'd love a big fuck off poster of that painting, I don't know what it is, its just mesmerising. I've read pretty much all Brubakers stuff now (apart from his straight superhero comics), I'm looking for somewhere to go next.

I totally agree. That was my first book too and I love the cover. The Deluxe Edition I think it was.
Have you read any Richard Stark's Parker based on the 1950's novels and adapted by Darwin Cooke?
Again brilliant noir pulp. A total cliche story again but so brilliantly written and illustrated.
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Post by: BeardFaceMan on July 19, 2018, 07:01:23 PM
Quote from: Pinckle Wicker on July 19, 2018, 06:43:17 PM
I totally agree. That was my first book too and I love the cover. The Deluxe Edition I think it was.
Have you read any Richard Stark's Parker based on the 1950's novels and adapted by Darwin Cooke?
Again brilliant noir pulp. A total cliche story again but so brilliantly written and illustrated.

I have yeah, but thats reminded me that I grabbed all the Parker novels after reading the first Cooke adaption, think I only read the first novel though, I'll have to go back to those. I think i got Parker overload, reading the novel, the graphic novel and the Mel Gibson film all based on the same story. I much prefer a graphic novel to a regular novel these days too.
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Post by: Gulftastic on July 19, 2018, 07:50:53 PM
Look at this.

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-power-pack-of-ken-reid-books#/

I wish I could afford it.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on July 19, 2018, 08:06:07 PM
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on July 19, 2018, 03:08:02 PM
I read nineteen issues of Old Man Logan by Jeff Lemire last night and enjoyed it a fair bit. It's not his best work but it's an enjoyable enough romp, and the art is mostly beautiful stuff. I wouldn't recommend anyone buying it as each issue only took about three or four minutes to read, but it's available to view online at: http://readcomiconline.to/ (along with a ridiculous amount of other comics).

I've finished Lemire's run on the series now, which ended at issue 24. It was a great ending and very satisfying, which is why it's a shame a new writer (Ed Brisson) took over from issue 25 onwards. Not that it's bad in any way, but it just isn't anything that special.
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Post by: Pinckle Wicker on July 19, 2018, 11:29:09 PM
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on July 19, 2018, 08:06:07 PM
I've finished Lemire's run on the series now, which ended at issue 24. It was a great ending and very satisfying, which is why it's a shame a new writer (Ed Brisson) took over from issue 25 onwards. Not that it's bad in any way, but it just isn't anything that special.

Just about to start Old Man Logan now. Descenders is fucking excellent. What a great story. It reminds me a bit of The Incal with its crazy Universe!
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on July 19, 2018, 11:44:52 PM
Quote from: Pinckle Wicker on July 19, 2018, 11:29:09 PM
Just about to start Old Man Logan now. Descenders is fucking excellent. What a great story. It reminds me a bit of The Incal with its crazy Universe!

I love Descenders too but I'm glad it's coming to an end this month, a series like this is far more effective when there's a proper ending and it doesn't outstay it's welcome.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: chveik on July 20, 2018, 01:22:57 PM
You should also check out the two new series of Lemire, Royal City and Gideon Falls, they're pretty good.

edit: And A.D. After Death, with Scott Snyder, which is very experimental but wonderful nonetheless.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: magval on July 20, 2018, 01:27:10 PM
Quote from: Gulftastic on July 19, 2018, 07:50:53 PM
Look at this.

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-power-pack-of-ken-reid-books#/

I wish I could afford it.

Holy shit. What a deadly find. I read the Faceache volume that Rebellion put out at Christmas and loved every page of it. I'll be buying one of these for sure.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on July 20, 2018, 02:19:11 PM
Quote from: chveik on July 20, 2018, 01:22:57 PM
You should also check out the two new series of Lemire, Royal City and Gideon Falls, they're pretty good.

edit: And A.D. After Death, with Scott Snyder, which is very experimental but wonderful nonetheless.

Cool, thanks for that, shall add them to my reading list.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on July 20, 2018, 03:34:00 PM
Quote from: Gulftastic on July 19, 2018, 07:50:53 PM
Look at this.

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-power-pack-of-ken-reid-books#/

I wish I could afford it.

Awwwww, man. That is so awesome.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on July 20, 2018, 03:35:13 PM
I'm currently on vol 5 of Vaughan's Saga. it is so FUCKIN awesome. Every issue there's some random weird happening. Brilliant stuff.

Edit - I wish I would stop using the word 'awesome' so frequently.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: chveik on July 20, 2018, 06:48:43 PM
Quote from: Artie Fufkin on July 20, 2018, 03:35:13 PM
I'm currently on vol 5 of Vaughan's Saga. it is so FUCKIN awesome. Every issue there's some random weird happening. Brilliant stuff.

Agreed. I just read a webcomic called Privated Eye that Vaughan did some time ago, it's really good too.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: magval on July 21, 2018, 11:23:05 AM
Dragging this old post up because it's brilliant, and the book it refers to is on sale again and is every bit the trip goutpony says. Probably not best to read it just before bedtime, some of those images are extremely unpleasant in not-immediately obvious ways.

Quote from: gout_pony on April 08, 2018, 12:46:25 PM
There's a big Fantagraphics sale on at Comixology at the moment:
https://www.comixology.co.uk/Fantagraphics-Sale/page/3492?tid=B140912003_Fantagraphics_Fantagraphics_Linewi (https://www.comixology.co.uk/Fantagraphics-Sale/page/3492?tid=B140912003_Fantagraphics_Fantagraphics_Linewi)

Simon Hanselmann's charmingly debauched melancholia and Los Bros Love and Rockets comics for lower prices than they deserve!

Both have really helped me get through bad patches of mental health for very different reasons. Megg and Mogg is comforting in the way that Always Sunny is comforting - if such wretches are human, you must be human too. Love and Rockets is like being given a great extended family of cool fuck-ups and Almodovar-style mothers. Basically, all the appeal of a soap (watching characters age in real-time over 30 years of comics) but impeccably written and drawn and at least one character courtesy of each brother who you'll fall in with [for me it's Maggie in Jaime's and Venus in Gilbert's - partly cause the latter is basically my sister].

I already owned all of that so instead I made the most exciting digital purchase I've made this year - Al Columbia's Pim and Francie. I'd wanted to get hold of the hardcover collection for years but it was always so exorbitantly expensive and I never ever thought that somewhere along the way Fantagraphics might provide a scan... and I actually think a pdf. file might be the best way to read it.

Pim and Francie is like if a Walt Disney employee circa. 1929 lost their mind, became a reclusive serial killer and kept a scrapbook. Pim and Francie is that scrapbook. Or else, if Necronomicon was written in Who Framed Roger Rabbit's Toontown.

I think at first appearance it might seem like Columbia just uses basic shock tactics - combining the innocent look of old Disney with fucked up shit - but I think he's just as good (if not better) than celebrated artists like Paul McCarthy at dredging up the most infantile psychosexual horror... in many ways similar to David Lynch's visual art, but Columbia's has none of Lynch's painterly primitivism - he has serious drawing chops.

However, he also is notorious for sabotaging his own output, ripping up half-completed drawings or destroying commissioned work. As such, Pim and Francie is feat of salvage. You get traces of narrative, but the whole thing feels as though it is falling apart as the seams while you read it. I actually found the experience of reading it through very late last night while slightly feverish provided the experience I had hoped to get out of reading House of Leaves, but didn't.

This is where it being a .pdf file comes in helpful. Sometimes I was zooming right in to examine the half-erased residue of background details Columbia clearly got dissatisfied with, getting lost among the textures of paint and tippex. Other times I was turning the monitor sideways (I probably should have just rotated the file) to read scribbled notes in the margins; suddenly noticing a couple of tiny spots of blood on the page or a concerning stain on a piece taped back together after having been ripped apart in frustration or anger.

Other times I was having to zoom right out to see a whole panorama and understand that what I had thought was just a single image was actually part of a whole longer comics chain.

In short, you have to read it under the right conditions, letting yourself take the imaginative leap into engaging with the work on an intuitive, sensory level. It's kind of like Twin Peaks: The Return (//http://TwinPeaks:TheReturn) that way.

Anyway, if you like horror and 1920s-1930s animation it is recommended in the strongest possible terms...
https://www.comixology.co.uk/Pim-Francie-The-Golden-Bear-Days/digital-comic/413605 (https://www.comixology.co.uk/Pim-Francie-The-Golden-Bear-Days/digital-comic/413605)

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/S/cmx-images-prod/Item/413605/Previews/eacf0b91dbdea49973f2daf5cf2e0180._SX1280_QL80_TTD_.jpg)

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3501/4007125101_2216c855ca_b.jpg)
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: gout_pony on July 21, 2018, 02:54:41 PM
Quote from: magval on July 21, 2018, 11:23:05 AM
Dragging this old post up because it's brilliant, and the book it refers to is on sale again and is every bit the trip goutpony says. Probably not best to read it just before bedtime, some of those images are extremely unpleasant in not-immediately obvious ways.

Thank you! Very kind of you! Yeh - it really draws out a primal wrongness in such a way I've only seen in glimpses in other works of horror.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on July 22, 2018, 01:53:42 AM
Sex Criminals 14 - 17 - I really liked this initially but I'm finding it a bit of a struggle now. Jon is such an incredibly unlikeable character that it's hard to root for them as a couple, and there's something about the writing that feels smug, like they think they're doing something so unique and special which I don't think is the case any longer. Which is a shame as it had a lot of potential at first, but now I don't know if I'm going to bother reading it in the future.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: gout_pony on July 22, 2018, 12:40:43 PM
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on July 22, 2018, 01:53:42 AM
Sex Criminals 14 - 17 - I really liked this initially but I'm finding it a bit of a struggle now. Jon is such an incredibly unlikeable character that it's hard to root for them as a couple, and there's something about the writing that feels smug, like they think they're doing something so unique and special which I don't think is the case any longer. Which is a shame as it had a lot of potential at first, but now I don't know if I'm going to bother reading it in the future.

I haven't read it but long been intrigued. What makes him so unlikable? How transgressive is the comic generally?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on July 22, 2018, 04:13:08 PM
Quote from: gout_pony on July 22, 2018, 12:40:43 PM
I haven't read it but long been intrigued. What makes him so unlikable? How transgressive is the comic generally?

He's just ridiculously insecure, but also constantly lies to his girlfriend and does incredibly stupid (and dangerous) things despite her begging him not to. As for being transgressive, it breaks the fourth wall every so often (one moment sees the writer putting himself in to the comic and arguing with the artist as he doesn't know how to write a certain scene), and the sex stuff has a feeling of "Wow, aren't we amazing to discuss sex so frankly" but it just gets a bit boring after a while.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: BritishHobo on July 22, 2018, 05:56:33 PM
All three library editions of Buffy season 10 have been announced as coming out this year, but no mention of Angel and Faith. Hope that's not being abandoned.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on July 22, 2018, 06:05:40 PM
Quote from: BritishHobo on July 22, 2018, 05:56:33 PM
All three library editions of Buffy season 10 have been announced as coming out this year, but no mention of Angel and Faith. Hope that's not being abandoned.

I'm a bit behind on the Angel side of things but I noticed that Faith's name has been dropped from the comic now and it's gone back to being just called Angel.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: BritishHobo on July 22, 2018, 06:33:10 PM
That'll add to the confusion since they published all the After The Fall stuff recently in two volumes as Season Six.

How was season ten? Is there much value in reading both alongside each other or should I just get the Buffy season and hang fire on A&F?

I may just stop faffing about and start following the paperback editions, catch up quicker.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Gulftastic on July 22, 2018, 06:51:12 PM
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on July 22, 2018, 06:05:40 PM
I'm a bit behind on the Angel side of things but I noticed that Faith's name has been dropped from the comic now and it's gone back to being just called Angel.

Yes, to it's detriment, I feel. The last run teamed Angel with a Illyria. It was an OK romp.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on July 22, 2018, 09:03:37 PM
Quote from: BritishHobo on July 22, 2018, 06:33:10 PM
That'll add to the confusion since they published all the After The Fall stuff recently in two volumes as Season Six.

How was season ten? Is there much value in reading both alongside each other or should I just get the Buffy season and hang fire on A&F?

I may just stop faffing about and start following the paperback editions, catch up quicker.

Season 10 of Buffy was okay but the art was fairly weak, and if I'd paid to read it I'd probably be a lot more critical of it.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: ads82 on July 23, 2018, 08:01:09 AM
I picked up the first volume of Nextwave: agents of H.A.T.E by Warren Ellis for a couple of quid at my local charity shop. Has anyone read it before?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on July 25, 2018, 05:43:10 PM
Quote from: ads82 on July 23, 2018, 08:01:09 AM
I picked up the first volume of Nextwave: agents of H.A.T.E by Warren Ellis for a couple of quid at my local charity shop. Has anyone read it before?

Absolutely. Get the second volume too.
It's a glorious book that did not get enough love at the time - certainly not enough sales.
The art by Stuart Immonen is awesome too. The right balance of detail and cartoon.
They did want to continue the story but they couldn't afford an Ellis/Immonen team-up. Not for the units it was shifting (or something like that).

It's what all comic books should be - well-made fun
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on July 26, 2018, 09:36:50 AM
Quote from: Artie Fufkin on July 20, 2018, 03:35:13 PM
I'm currently on vol 5 of Vaughan's Saga. it is so FUCKIN awesome. Every issue there's some random weird happening. Brilliant stuff.

This issue; a dragon sucking itself off! Bingo!!
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on July 26, 2018, 09:47:19 PM
Descender 32 - The final issue, and for a long old time it looked like it was going to be one of the bleakest endings to a series that I'd ever read, and I wasn't particularly enjoying it to be honest. But then Lemire turned it around with the final couple of pages, and I can't wait for when Ascender debuts now!
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on July 27, 2018, 05:04:02 PM
Immortal Hulk 1 - 3 - I'm not much of a Marvel fan (outside of the films, at least) but I'd heard good things about it and it is indeed rather fun stuff. The third issue has a Rashomon structure to it, with four different art styles, which made for a decent read, and I like what they're doing with the Hulk and Banner in general.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on August 04, 2018, 01:51:04 PM
The Walking Dead 182 - Sigh. Why do I do this to myself? I haven't enjoyed the comic for about 80 issues, indeed it was the death of Glenn that fucked me off no end, and yet for some masochistic reason I keep reading it. So what does Kirkman have to offer us this time around?

Vegetable (or fruit?) criticism!

(https://i.imgur.com/OPgSU9s.jpg)

Potato love!

(https://i.imgur.com/Wa40o9e.jpg)

Warm welcomes!

(https://i.imgur.com/2KwvwEN.jpg)

Table tennis!

(https://i.imgur.com/Db3xzzL.jpg)

The abject horror of the new world!

(https://i.imgur.com/tR3PJ1a.jpg)

Cunt! Carl as a blacksmith!

(https://i.imgur.com/u89wxtE.jpg)

Okay, that was slightly disingenuous but it really is a tepid, tedious read with no excitement or anything of interest happening at all (bar the tomato chat, admittedly) and if I paid money to read such nonsense I'd be so furious I'd probably gouge my eyes out and then send them to Kirkman in the post so he'd know the misery he'd caused.

Also, I just discovered that this exists:

(https://i.imgur.com/Sh68t8l.jpg)

When Kirkman mentioned it in the letters column I genuinely thought he was taking the piss, but no, no, somehow this atrocity exists.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on August 08, 2018, 04:44:08 PM
It's a struggle. You don't know if you're just going to get an issue of primitive domestic calm with a sudden brief cliffhanger.
The Whisperers was briefly interesting but I feel this needs a boost via time jump to elevate it being a story about a farming community.
It feels like this current story is close to having been told.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: BeardFaceMan on August 08, 2018, 04:58:47 PM
The Quotable Negan, thats actaully a thing? He has by far the worst dialogue of any character I've ever read in a comic,  a 15 year old boys idea of edgy and cool dialogue. I had to stop reading, its turned into a daytime soap opera, boring dialogue and plot lines and all. I feel like its been too shit for too long now for it to be turned around and become great again, I'm not sure Kirkman is a capable enough writer to do that anymore. Didn't Kirkman say he has an ending to the story? Seems silly to string it out past 200 issues now, just get on with it mate. Is he writing anything else at the moment or is this his cash cow hes going to keep milking?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on August 08, 2018, 05:16:31 PM
Quote from: BeardFaceMan on August 08, 2018, 04:58:47 PM
a 15 year old boys idea of edgy and cool dialogue.
Ta-daaaaa! There's your demographic, plus the perfect stocking-filler for any passing relative of a  TWD fan
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on August 08, 2018, 05:54:27 PM
Quote from: BeardFaceMan on August 08, 2018, 04:58:47 PM
The Quotable Negan, thats actaully a thing? He has by far the worst dialogue of any character I've ever read in a comic,  a 15 year old boys idea of edgy and cool dialogue. I had to stop reading, its turned into a daytime soap opera, boring dialogue and plot lines and all. I feel like its been too shit for too long now for it to be turned around and become great again, I'm not sure Kirkman is a capable enough writer to do that anymore. Didn't Kirkman say he has an ending to the story? Seems silly to string it out past 200 issues now, just get on with it mate. Is he writing anything else at the moment or is this his cash cow hes going to keep milking?

In the letters page he threatens talks about it going on for a long while yet, and I know a while back it was hinted that it would be around 300 issues. Fuck knows what he'll fill them with, but given that he's no problem with repeating himself I imagine it'll be more human vs human nonsense.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: BeardFaceMan on August 08, 2018, 09:48:30 PM
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on August 08, 2018, 05:54:27 PM
In the letters page he threatens talks about it going on for a long while yet, and I know a while back it was hinted that it would be around 300 issues. Fuck knows what he'll fill them with, but given that he's no problem with repeating himself I imagine it'll be more human vs human nonsense.

300? Oh Jesus Christ. Have there been many series that have gone 300 issues with a single writer? He ran out of ideas ages ago, I dread to think what it will look like in 5 years time, never mind another 100-odd issues.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Phil_A on August 08, 2018, 11:36:41 PM
Quote from: BeardFaceMan on August 08, 2018, 09:48:30 PM
300? Oh Jesus Christ. Have there been many series that have gone 300 issues with a single writer? He ran out of ideas ages ago, I dread to think what it will look like in 5 years time, never mind another 100-odd issues.

Cerebus The Aardvark famously, although it's author had basically lost his mind by the time he finished. And it took him around three decades to be done.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on August 09, 2018, 03:09:25 AM
Doctor Who - The Road To The Thirteenth Doctor issue 1 - Tenuously linked to the 13th Doctor, but this is actually two 10th Doctor stories. The first is by James Peaty and it's fucking awful, as the Doctor jokes about someone having died which was actually his fault, and doesn't seem to give a toss when a bunch of other folk die too. Easily the worst Who comic I've ever read. The second story is only four pages long but it's by Jody Houser, of my beloved Faith fame, and a lot lot better, which bodes well as she's due to write the 13th Doctor series when it launches.

Doctor Who - The Road To The Thirteenth Doctor issue 2 - Two more stories, both featuring the 11th Doctor. Once again James Peaty handles the main story, which sees the Doctor in 19th century San Francisco which is oddly populated by a bunch of robots all wandering around in plain sight. It's not as horrible as the first issue but it's a by the numbers alien invasion where the Doctor solves everything using the sonic. Blah. The back up story (again by Jody Houser) is lovely stuff, but four pages again, so over in a flash.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on August 09, 2018, 08:29:40 AM
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on August 09, 2018, 03:09:25 AM
Doctor Who - The Road To The Thirteenth Doctor issue 1 - Tenuously linked to the 13th Doctor, but this is actually two 10th Doctor stories. The first is by James Peaty and it's fucking awful, as the Doctor jokes about someone having died which was actually his fault, and doesn't seem to give a toss when a bunch of other folk die too. Easily the worst Who comic I've ever read. The second story is only four pages long but it's by Jody Houser, of my beloved Faith fame, and a lot lot better, which bodes well as she's due to write the 13th Doctor series when it launches.

Going by the preview of that 10th Doctor comic, is this where he's started his Time Harem?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on August 09, 2018, 09:31:48 PM
Quote from: kidsick5000 on August 09, 2018, 08:29:40 AM
Going by the preview of that 10th Doctor comic, is this where he's started his Time Harem?

It does look like it but there's no actual fucking in the issue.

Judge Dredd Year One  - Written by 2000AD editor Matt Smith, this is set in 2080 and sees Dredd dealing with various criminals who all of a sudden have telekinetic powers. It's ultra violent stuff but lacks a sense of humour, and worst of all Dredd is a fairly bland character in this.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: madhair60 on August 10, 2018, 03:49:38 PM
I just read Paying For It by Chester Brown, please recommend other comics in this vein, thanks
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: DocDaneeka on August 10, 2018, 05:11:43 PM
If you mean slightly bleak confessional comics by gross guys you would probably like friend of Chester Brown, Joe Matt. I don't think he is doing much any more but you should be able get a hold of his autobiographical comic Peep Show.

I Never Liked You about Chester's childhood is pretty good too.

Maybeee My Friend Dahmer by Derf Backderf another bleak black & white recent classic.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Phil_A on August 10, 2018, 05:56:01 PM
Try "It's a Good Life If You Don't Weaken" by Seth as well.

Or American Splendor.

Or Crumb's autobiographical stuff.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on August 10, 2018, 10:26:30 PM
Mister Miracle - A 12 issue mini-series (though only 10 have been published so far) by Tom King, the writer of the superb Vision mini-series. It starts off in a pretty shocking way as we learn that Mister Miracle attempted suicide recently, and that Oberon died of cancer, but it isn't all grim dark stuff and the subjects are handled in a sensitive way.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on August 11, 2018, 03:11:04 AM
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on August 10, 2018, 10:26:30 PM
Mister Miracle - A 12 issue mini-series (though only 10 have been published so far) by Tom King, the writer of the superb Vision mini-series. It starts off in a pretty shocking way as we learn that Mister Miracle attempted suicide recently, and that Oberon died of cancer, but it isn't all grim dark stuff and the subjects are handled in a sensitive way.

The art by Mitch Gerads is exceptional. Superbly crafted without being too arty.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on August 11, 2018, 03:56:21 PM
Quote from: kidsick5000 on August 11, 2018, 03:11:04 AM
The art by Mitch Gerads is exceptional. Superbly crafted without being too arty.

I meant to mention that, it truly is stunning isn't it, and suits the material beautifully. I've read some of Tom King's current Batman run and can't say it really does it for me but I loved The Vision mini-series and this, so really must check out his other work.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on August 16, 2018, 03:54:32 PM
I knocked Tom King's Batman run above, largely as the marriage of Batman stuff came to such a disappointing conclusion, but I've read the three most recent issues and liked them. It basically sees Bruce on the jury for a court case which could see Mr Freeze sent down for murder after Batman captured him, but in a 12 Angry Men kind of way he attempts to persuade the jury that Bats might have fucked up and this time around Freeze is innocent. There are certain parts which explore Batman's effect on Gotham that I didn't necessarily agree with, but it's an interesting idea that King explores in a decent way, and I liked the ending to it a lot.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: magval on August 16, 2018, 06:51:45 PM
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on August 16, 2018, 03:54:32 PM
I knocked Tom King's Batman run above, largely as the marriage of Batman stuff came to such a disappointing conclusion.

I dare say it hasn't concluded. King has said he's halfway through a hundred-issue story about Batman and Catwoman, and I don't think he's a Snyder-style Twitter bullshitter.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on August 17, 2018, 12:41:14 AM
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on August 16, 2018, 03:54:32 PM
I knocked Tom King's Batman run above, largely as the marriage of Batman stuff came to such a disappointing conclusion

Like many, #50 was the first Batman comic I've picked up in a while.
Can't say much for the story, I was more distracted disappointed by the artists gallery style of pages.
Not the concept, just that in this day and age - how are professional comic book artists unable to draw realistic breasts? More to the point, breasts under fabric.
I swear some still think that they are solid cartoonish orbs. Frank Cho gets complaints for his more salacious work but at least he's studied anatomy.


Sorry. Rant over.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: magval on August 17, 2018, 08:30:52 AM
Sex sells boss. I can't help but think that because it's so widespread it must be editorially mandated. Surely not all male artists are perverts, or have never seen women, like.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on August 17, 2018, 11:48:49 AM
Quote from: magval on August 16, 2018, 06:51:45 PM
I dare say it hasn't concluded. King has said he's halfway through a hundred-issue story about Batman and Catwoman, and I don't think he's a Snyder-style Twitter bullshitter.

I get that, but I would have been really interested to see 50 issues of Bats in a permanent relationship, and less of the grim dark stuff where he's even more miserable than ever. That's not to say he won't get together with Catwoman at some point, but if it's towards the end of King's run then who knows what the next writer might do. I don't think I'm in the minority readership-wise either, as a lot of the feedback to issue 50 that I've read online was incredibly negative.

Quote from: kidsick5000 on August 17, 2018, 12:41:14 AM
Like many, #50 was the first Batman comic I've picked up in a while.
Can't say much for the story, I was more distracted disappointed by the artists gallery style of pages.
Not the concept, just that in this day and age - how are professional comic book artists unable to draw realistic breasts? More to the point, breasts under fabric.
I swear some still think that they are solid cartoonish orbs. Frank Cho gets complaints for his more salacious work but at least he's studied anatomy.


Sorry. Rant over.

Yeah, it is pretty sickening. I'm sure there was all a bit of a fuss about this a couple of years ago and both DC and Marvel recognised it as an issue, and said things would change, but that doesn't seem to be the case.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on August 18, 2018, 06:02:12 PM
Re: Perverted artists, there's an article about this on the BBC site right now as a female artist has redrawn various covers with men instead of women barely wearing anything - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-45149478

One of the comics she's parodied is John Byrne's run on The Sensational She-Hulk though which I think misses the point a little, as that series was well known for spoofing such things.

(https://i.imgur.com/EMEIBy8.jpg)
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: bgmnts on August 18, 2018, 06:59:43 PM
There is something about Spiderman just wearing the mask and nothing else that is way too funny to make a serious point.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Phil_A on August 19, 2018, 12:16:30 AM
I'm reminded that Dan Slott's otherwise excellent re-boot of She-Hulk in the early 2000s was adorned with covers like this, courtesy of the appropriately named Greg Horn.

(https://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/mg/3/90/57643dd9a2434/background.jpg)

Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on August 19, 2018, 09:42:40 AM
That horse's face! LOLZ, as the kids say.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on August 19, 2018, 07:30:49 PM
Quote from: magval on August 17, 2018, 08:30:52 AM
Sex sells boss.

Yeah, and while I don't mind sexy - we're talking about tightly clad beings at peak physical fitness - not being able to draw anatomy brings it into being tawdry.

Quote from: Phil_A on August 19, 2018, 12:16:30 AM
I'm reminded that Dan Slott's otherwise excellent re-boot of She-Hulk in the early 2000s was adorned with covers like this, courtesy of the appropriately named Greg Horn.

Ah yes. One of the notorious Gregs of the 2000s -the other being Land. Both seemed to actively trace playboy models and pornstars for their models. Horn is another one that believes fabric hugs to every surface
(http://art.cafimg.com/images/Category_80505/subcat_158203/GregHornElektra8cover.jpg)

You'd probably decline the offer to see their studios.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on August 20, 2018, 05:17:00 AM
On a different note, anyone caught the new Bendis/Gaydos series Pearl?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on August 20, 2018, 10:57:52 AM
Just read the first issue now and really liked it, the art is stunning and the story fairly interesting. I'll probably wait a good few months before reading more of it though as I'm struggling to wait a month at a time for each new issue of things right now. Especially when there's even more than a months gap *glares at Black Hammer: Age of Doom*.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on August 20, 2018, 09:02:34 PM
Yeah, for a writer who packs in the dialogue, Bendis' work - especially some of his 'indie' stuff - can be scant on progression and activity.

Pearl is great, the upcoming Cover looks likewise, but I might just wait for the collections. Scarlet took an age, i've Genuinely no idea where things are with Powers - the ordering and restarting was really damn confusing - and no idea where I left off that series.

I've tried the Bendis Superman, but still cold. I think I'll only ever be interested in the Silver Age nonsense version of that character. In modern terms, Supes' cyphers Have done had the more interesting stories.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on August 20, 2018, 09:38:33 PM
Quote from: kidsick5000 on August 20, 2018, 09:02:34 PM
Yeah, for a writer who packs in the dialogue, Bendis' work - especially some of his 'indie' stuff - can be scant on progression and activity.

Pearl is great, the upcoming Cover looks likewise, but I might just wait for the collections. Scarlet took an age, i've Genuinely no idea where things are with Powers - the ordering and restarting was really damn confusing - and no idea where I left off that series.

I'm the same with Powers, I was enjoying it a lot but lost track and aren't sure where to restart. The same thing happened with Kurt Busiek's Astro City as well, though given how long ago it was that I read it, and that I used to smoke a lot back then, I could probably do with starting it again from the beginning.

QuoteI've tried the Bendis Superman, but still cold. I think I'll only ever be interested in the Silver Age nonsense version of that character. In modern terms, Supes' cyphers Have done had the more interesting stories.

I've yet to read that but will do at some point, I'm not Bendis's biggest fan but do like a fair bit of his work.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Glebe on August 25, 2018, 05:58:52 PM
Just read the first issue of The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen: The Tempest. It's suitably wacky.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on August 26, 2018, 09:14:49 AM
Quote from: Glebe on August 25, 2018, 05:58:52 PM
Just read the first issue of The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen: The Tempest. It's suitably wacky.

I did not know they were still at it.
Have to admit that Century left me cold and the references more obvious, but I wonder if that is more to do with familiarity.

Is this meant to be Moore's last ever comics project?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: samadriel on August 26, 2018, 11:04:02 AM
That's what this (http://www.topshelfcomix.com/news/1086) says.  I hadn't heard about this, nor Moore's comics career ending, I'm a bit startled now.  I liked Century alright, although the Harry Potter stuff kind of leaves me cold.  I suppose I'll read this when it's collected.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on August 26, 2018, 07:59:28 PM
Quote from: samadriel on August 26, 2018, 11:04:02 AM
I liked Century alright, although the Harry Potter stuff kind of leaves me cold.  I suppose I'll read this when it's collected.

I suppose the further we get from the Harry P phenomena (and other recent references) chronologically, the less on-the-nose it will seem. Maybe?

Bloody Hell. The whole LOEG thing started 20years ago.

And let's not forget, the experience of the film was so bad, Stephen Norrington decided to never direct another film.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on August 26, 2018, 09:10:43 PM
Quote from: Glebe on August 25, 2018, 05:58:52 PM
Just read the first issue of The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen: The Tempest. It's suitably wacky.

It's great. Really packs in the content. Kicks off with a tribute to Leo Baxendale and then hits the creativity accelerator. This could be quite the finale after the less enthralling Nemo series.

I just hope that this is a fairly straight forward run with no months long gaps in between.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: magval on August 27, 2018, 10:36:19 AM
Quote from: kidsick5000 on August 26, 2018, 07:59:28 PM
And let's not forget, the experience of the film was so bad, Stephen Norrington decided to never direct another film.

Same with Connery and acting, apparently.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on August 27, 2018, 12:58:54 PM
I love Moore's classic works but have lost track of him over recent years, out of interest when do folks feel was the last time he wrote something truly great?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: chveik on August 29, 2018, 06:28:27 PM
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on August 27, 2018, 12:58:54 PM
I love Moore's classic works but have lost track of him over recent years, out of interest when do folks feel was the last time he wrote something truly great?

Providence
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Glebe on August 31, 2018, 12:40:21 AM
Quote from: kidsick5000 on August 26, 2018, 09:14:49 AMI did not know they were still at it.
Have to admit that Century left me cold and the references more obvious, but I wonder if that is more to do with familiarity.

Yeah, it has its moments, but 'Century' didn't quite have the magic of the first few LOEGs. This has a slightly merrier feel to it, and there's more issues to come of course.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on September 05, 2018, 12:52:23 AM
Quote from: chveik on August 29, 2018, 06:28:27 PM
Providence

Thanks for the recommendation, I've been reading this over the past few days and enjoyed it a lot, and whilst it's not up there with Moore's best work it's definitely very, very good. My only complaint is that I found the art a little bland, it's strong when it comes to the weirder elements (the rat creature suckling on the old woman for instance, the old redneck screwing his daughter, the dancing headless corpses, and indeed most of the final two issues) but fairly bland elsewhere, and I did find myself wishing that a better artist had been involved. I've also minor issues with the full frontal nudity of the thirteen year old, in the context of the story it's an important moment but I don't think we needed to see her naked, and the same applies with our hero fucking a seventeen year old boy. Would be interested to know why Moore thought it was a good idea, and how he gets around the legal side of such a matter.

One other thing is that I'm really glad this exists - https://factsprovidence.wordpress.com/moore-lovecraft-comics-annotation-index/providence-11/ - as there were characters in issue 11 who confused as I wasn't sure who they were, and if anyone else reads the series I'd recommend checking that site out.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on September 05, 2018, 10:30:42 AM
Just finished 'My Friend Dahmer', by Derf Backderf. Grimly fascinating. An account of Dahmer's high school days as told by a classmate of his. How high school authorities/parents didn't pick up on him is astounding.
Loved the artwork, and the storytelling was great.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: magval on September 05, 2018, 08:13:53 PM
I've been meaning to ask this but always forget, so the recent Moore talk has given me a good reminder:

Is Alan Moore likely to be a millionaire? He's written at least one book (Watchmen) that as far as I know hasn't ever been out of print. Surely even before he severed his DC ties he made a fair bit of money off of that, V and the others.

I know he lives a supposedly very modest lifestyle, but aye, what do you think? Millionaire like?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Phil_A on September 05, 2018, 10:55:12 PM
Quote from: magval on September 05, 2018, 08:13:53 PM
I've been meaning to ask this but always forget, so the recent Moore talk has given me a good reminder:

Is Alan Moore likely to be a millionaire? He's written at least one book (Watchmen) that as far as I know hasn't ever been out of print. Surely even before he severed his DC ties he made a fair bit of money off of that, V and the others.

I know he lives a supposedly very modest lifestyle, but aye, what do you think? Millionaire like?

I don't think he gets royalties for his DC work due to their dodgy contract practices, e.g. he was promised the Watchmen rights would revert to him and Gibbons once it went out of print, and it well never, ever go out of print for this reason.

I think he had a nice little earner going from film adaptations until the League Of Extraordinary Gentleman disaster (which led to him being dragged into a court case by another writer claiming the film had plagiarised their work), at which point he insisted on never receiving money or credit from any subsequent films.

Probably has enough squirreled away to live comfortably, I would say.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on September 05, 2018, 11:58:07 PM
Quote from: Phil_A on September 05, 2018, 10:55:12 PM
I don't think he gets royalties for his DC work due to their dodgy contract practices, e.g. he was promised the Watchmen rights would revert to him and Gibbons once it went out of print, and it well never, ever go out of print for this reason.

I think he had a nice little earner going from film adaptations until the League Of Extraordinary Gentleman disaster (which led to him being dragged into a court case by another writer claiming the film had plagiarised their work), at which point he insisted on never receiving money or credit from any subsequent films.

Probably has enough squirreled away to live comfortably, I would say.

I heard he put a fair bit of money in to Dodgem Logic, and didn't make much back. Like you say I'm sure he's comfortable enough though given his output over the years. Plus I imagine Stewart Lee paid him loads for Content Provider!
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on September 06, 2018, 03:45:53 PM
Quote from: Artie Fufkin on September 05, 2018, 10:30:42 AM
Just finished 'My Friend Dahmer', by Derf Backderf. Grimly fascinating. An account of Dahmer's high school days as told by a classmate of his. How high school authorities/parents didn't pick up on him is astounding.
Loved the artwork, and the storytelling was great.

Can anyone recommend anything similar to this kinda thang?
nb; I've also just read Green River Killer by Jeff Jensen
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on September 07, 2018, 03:08:44 AM
I plan to start a thread for this when it's about to air, but I'm starting to get all a bit excited about the Doom Patrol tv series now. It's just been announced that Timothy Dalton will be playing Niles Caulder, whilst the rest of the cast includes Brendan Fraser as Robotman, April Bowlby as Elasti-Woman, Dwain Murphy as Negative Man, Diane Guerrero as Crazy Jane, whilst Alan Tudyk will play the series' villain, Mr. Nobody. The fact that the latter is in it really makes me hope it'll be heavily influenced by Grant Morrison's run on the series, and that they've managed to get such a strong cast as the scripts are decent.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on September 08, 2018, 10:01:01 AM
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on September 07, 2018, 03:08:44 AM
I plan to start a thread for this when it's about to air, but I'm starting to get all a bit excited about the Doom Patrol tv series now.
Diane Guerrero as Crazy Jane
I've just started to read vol 1 of Morrison's run on this, thanks to your post. Loving it already. Nice and weird.
I'm sure this has already been said many a time, but, wow!; https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=split&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-gb&client=safari (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=split&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-gb&client=safari)
I adored this film, and Unbreakable, and I'm really looking forward to Mr Glass. But now I'm aware of Doom Patrol, specifically Crazy Jane, isn't it, well, a bit of a rip off....?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on September 08, 2018, 03:25:10 PM
Quote from: Artie Fufkin on September 08, 2018, 10:01:01 AM
I've just started to read vol 1 of Morrison's run on this, thanks to your post. Loving it already. Nice and weird.
I'm sure this has already been said many a time, but, wow!; https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=split&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-gb&client=safari (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=split&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-gb&client=safari)
I adored this film, and Unbreakable, and I'm really looking forward to Mr Glass. But now I'm aware of Doom Patrol, specifically Crazy Jane, isn't it, well, a bit of a rip off....?

Possibly, but there have been other representations of dissociative identity disorder (like The United States Of Tara) so I don't know whether or not Doom Patrol was a direct influence. Wouldn't surprise me at all though.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: magval on September 13, 2018, 12:53:13 PM
Quote from: Gulftastic on July 19, 2018, 07:50:53 PM
Look at this.

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-power-pack-of-ken-reid-books#/

I wish I could afford it.

Here's an update on this.

The Kickstarter has ended but the guy that started it and put the books together is selling them directly on Ebay with postage from Lithuania. I found this out purely by accident as my local Forbidden Planet also has a few copies of each book for £25 a pop, which is cheaper than the direct sales. They look and feel absolutely brilliant and I'd recommend picking them up before they're gone forever. Can't have too much of Ken Reid really.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on September 19, 2018, 02:08:02 AM
Megalex Vol's 1 - 3 - Written by Alejandro Jodorowsky and drawn by Fred Beltran. On a mysterious planet somewhere in the universe a futuristic society is policed by a selection of clones who only live for 400 days, in a world which isn't a million miles away from that of Judge Dredd's, though it initially appears this is a slightly less insane version of that. But when the cloning process goes wrong and an anomaly is created we soon learn that there's an underground city full of freakish types, all of whom want to bring nature, love and culture back in to this sterile world. Sometimes the dialogue's a little on the nose, and I don't know if the lead female characters really needed such freakishly large breasts (actually I do, and they don't), but it's an inventive lark with quite stunning art (though oddly it's slightly less impressive in the third volume despite being by the same artist), even if it's a bit silly in places and by no means anywhere near as good as Jodorowsky's films.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on September 19, 2018, 11:44:13 PM
Ever wanted to see Batman's penis? Now thanks to Batman: Damned, you can: (NSFW) https://www.cbr.com/batman-damned-nude-dc-black-label/ It's not bad either. Not amazing, but I quite like it.

Edit: Just read the comic and penis aside it's pretty shit. Grim dark nonsense, with John Constantine feeling out of place in Gotham.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on September 20, 2018, 08:57:19 PM
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on September 19, 2018, 11:44:13 PM
Ever wanted to see Batman's penis? Now thanks to Batman: Damned, you can: (NSFW) https://www.cbr.com/batman-damned-nude-dc-black-label/ It's not bad either. Not amazing, but I quite like it.

Edit: Just read the comic and penis aside it's pretty shit. Grim dark nonsense, with John Constantine feeling out of place in Gotham.

When will they let go of the grimness? (I still reckon that the joker wearing his own face is a low point.)
Why censor the online version? If anything, online should give you the option - or is this because Comixology has no age gate?

Do you think he needed the batpenis vetted? Not too big, not too small, cowl or no cowl.
Or were DC editorial recently surprised to get a call along the lines of "YOU CAN SEE HIS WHAT...?!?"
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on September 21, 2018, 04:08:05 PM
Quote from: kidsick5000 on September 20, 2018, 08:57:19 PM
When will they let go of the grimness? (I still reckon that the joker wearing his own face is a low point.)
Why censor the online version? If anything, online should give you the option - or is this because Comixology has no age gate?

Do you think he needed the batpenis vetted? Not too big, not too small, cowl or no cowl.
Or were DC editorial recently surprised to get a call along the lines of "YOU CAN SEE HIS WHAT...?!?"

I can't see the grimness ever going when it comes to Batman unfortunately, even in Tom King's run on the main series Dick Grayson's just been shot in the head. Which is all rather bleak.

I'm sure they had long conversations about the batpenis, and I wish they'd recorded them as I'd pay to listen! Seems like they've regretted doing such a thing though as it's now going to be censored in all future printings. https://news.avclub.com/dc-now-trying-to-censor-batmans-dick-like-this-isnt-go-1829215004
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Clive Langham on September 23, 2018, 09:02:23 PM
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on September 19, 2018, 11:44:13 PM
Ever wanted to see Batman's penis? Now thanks to Batman: Damned, you can: (NSFW) https://www.cbr.com/batman-damned-nude-dc-black-label/ It's not bad either. Not amazing, but I quite like it.

Edit: Just read the comic and penis aside it's pretty shit. Grim dark nonsense, with John Constantine feeling out of place in Gotham.

Just had a look at Batman: Damned and it's embarrassing (and I don't mean the dick.) Azzarello riffing on Alan Moore is just clunky and dreadful.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on September 23, 2018, 10:21:24 PM
Quote from: Clive Langham on September 23, 2018, 09:02:23 PM
Just had a look at Batman: Damned and it's embarrassing (and I don't mean the dick.) Azzarello riffing on Alan Moore is just clunky and dreadful.

Yeah, I like Azzarello from time to time but this really is awful.

The Amazing Screw-On Head - As I watched the Bryan Fuller pilot for it again I thought I'd check it out, and it's okay but there's not that much to it and I prefer the animated version.

Immortal Hulk 5 and 6 - I was quite enamoured with the first four issues but am starting to lose interest now a little, especially as the Avengers have turned up for a big fight. Will stick with it for a bit but if it doesn't improve I might give up.

Black Hammer Age of Doom 5 - I love this series so much but it's painfully slow reading it from month to month. The first 10 pages were all but a recap and didn't give us that much new information, and whilst the big mystery has been resolved I think I'm going to stop reading for a while and wait until there's six or so issues to binge.

Buffy Season 12 issues 1 - 3 - Pretty bland stuff, even though it's suggesting that everything's going to go wrong for Buffy in a horrendous way. Issue 4 is the final one under the Dark Horse imprint and next year Boom Studio's are taking over publishing it, and it looks like they're going to ditch the future seasons idea and return to telling stories about Buffy in high school, which I hope is the case as then I'll finally have a good reason to stop reading it.

Mister Miracle 11 - Brutal stuff, but I'm still loving it a great deal, and can't wait to see how King wraps everything up next issue.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on September 24, 2018, 09:59:31 AM
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on September 23, 2018, 10:21:24 PM
Immortal Hulk 5 and 6 - I was quite enamoured with the first four issues but am starting to lose interest now a little, especially as the Avengers have turned up for a big fight. Will stick with it for a bit but if it doesn't improve I might give up.

Really REALLY disapointed with this series. Read the first 2 issues the other day. Mweh.
So loved Doom Patrol, however. Thanks for posting about it, SMBH!
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on September 24, 2018, 11:08:24 AM
Quote from: Artie Fufkin on September 24, 2018, 09:59:31 AM
Really REALLY disapointed with this series. Read the first 2 issues the other day. Mweh.

Ah, I quite liked it, at least for a Marvel comic, but then I am reading it for free and it's definitely declining in quality now.

QuoteSo loved Doom Patrol, however. Thanks for posting about it, SMBH!

Really glad you liked it so much as it's easily one of my favourite series. Have you ever read Morrison's run on Animal Man? That was written around the same time and whilst quite different I'm also extremely fond of it.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on September 24, 2018, 12:50:08 PM
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on September 24, 2018, 11:08:24 AM
Have you ever read Morrison's run on Animal Man?

Nope. But I'm gonna now.....
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: magval on September 24, 2018, 01:50:26 PM
One of the best runs ever, as anyone'll tell ya. It's a classic.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on September 25, 2018, 03:41:18 PM
Paper Girls 23, 24 - Still a really great comic and an enormous amount of fun, but I hope it's not something that runs and runs as it could overstay it's welcome. Something like 40 issues sounds about right to me.

The Wild Storm 1 - Only just started this latest Warren Ellis comic but I'm really liking what I've seen of it so far, it has lots of interesting ideas and the art's great too.

Buffy Season 12 Issue 4 - Well that's it then, the end (for the time being at least) of future Buffy stories. It's fairly weak stuff unfortunately, with the Big Bad dispatched rather easily, Illyria (and thus Fred) sent to hell without anyone really caring that much, whilst Buffy and Faith end up joining the police's supernatural division. The final pages give everyone a happy ending, bar Angel who's still brooding a lot, but I can't say I really care anymore. I'm really glad it's finally over, sure nobody forced me to read it but at times it showed promise so I stuck with it, only to be disappointed far too often.

Edit: Injection 11 - 15 - Forgot to mention I read this last night, I like this series a fair bit but Ellis seems to write only about five issues a year and then there's a painful gap before the next batch are released. Issue 16 was supposed to be released in 2018 but the series is now on hiatus, though not cancelled, but who knows when it'll finally come out. So I'll probably wait a few years until it's all over before reading it again.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on September 26, 2018, 12:11:55 AM
John Wick 1 - Hilariously bad.

Battlestar Galactica vs Battlestar Galactica 1 & 2 - I discovered the existence of this due to it being mentioned in the above comic, where the crew of the 1978 series face off against the 2003 version. God knows who thought this would be a good idea, but it's written by Peter David who sometimes is able to create vaguely readable stuff so I thought I'd give it a shot. And it's not a complete disaster and vaguely bemusing. I mean I wouldn't pay money for it in a million years but as a free read it passes the time. I might even read some more of it one day, if I get really bored.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Norton Canes on September 26, 2018, 04:07:15 PM
2000 AD prog 2100 out this week - another jumping-on edition


(https://2000ad.com/assets/pimg/00/43/64.jpg)

(Clicky for bigger image)


New chapters of Dan Abnett's phenomenal stories Brink and Kingdom should by themselves make the next few weeks' progs essential purchases. In addition this one has the start of a new 10-episode Dredd story, as well as Sinister Dexter, Anderson and Fiends of the Eastern Front 1812, a prequel to the golden age classic.

Oh, and more Skip Tracer. Yeah.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on September 26, 2018, 05:02:40 PM
Quote from: Norton Canes on September 26, 2018, 04:07:15 PM
2000 AD prog 2100 out this week - another jumping-on edition

New chapters of Dan Abnett's phenomenal stories Brink and Kingdom should by themselves make the next few weeks' progs essential purchases. In addition this one has the start of a new 10-episode Dredd story, as well as Sinister Dexter, Anderson and Fiends of the Eastern Front 1812, a prequel to the golden age classic.

Oh, and more Skip Tracer. Yeah.

The last few jumping on issues I've meant to.....jump on, then baulked. I think I may do it this time.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: magval on September 26, 2018, 05:57:39 PM
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on September 26, 2018, 12:11:55 AM
God knows who thought this would be a good idea, but it's written by Peter David who sometimes is able to create vaguely readable stuff so I thought I'd give it a shot.

Is this sarcasm boss, because Peter David is a brilliant writer. This sounds like shit but he has decades of classics to his name.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Phil_A on September 26, 2018, 08:26:42 PM
Quote from: Norton Canes on September 26, 2018, 04:07:15 PM
2000 AD prog 2100 out this week - another jumping-on edition


(https://2000ad.com/assets/pimg/00/43/64.jpg)

(Clicky for bigger image)


New chapters of Dan Abnett's phenomenal stories Brink and Kingdom should by themselves make the next few weeks' progs essential purchases. In addition this one has the start of a new 10-episode Dredd story, as well as Sinister Dexter, Anderson and Fiends of the Eastern Front 1812, a prequel to the golden age classic.

Oh, and more Skip Tracer. Yeah.

Holy shit, 10 part Williams/Flint Dredd, they're bringing out the big guns. Seems more obvious than ever that Williams is now the key writer in shaping the current direction of the Dredd universe, no bad thing. The fact he also got the gig on the Mega City One TV series shows how much faith Rebellion are putting in him, he's pretty much their star player.

Skip Tracer is doing the alternating artists thing, previously Paul Marshall and now Colin MacNeil. I'm guessing that means they're planning on it being a regular thing, a la Sinister Dexter? Hmm.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on September 26, 2018, 10:23:31 PM
Quote from: magval on September 26, 2018, 05:57:39 PM
Is this sarcasm boss, because Peter David is a brilliant writer. This sounds like shit but he has decades of classics to his name.

It probably was a bit harsh on him, I'm not a huge fan and wouldn't put him up with the best out there, but I do agree that he has produced some strong stuff over the years. Battlestar Galactica vs Battlestar Galactica's a lesser work though, I'm sure hardcore fans will like it but I doubt any one who wasn't aware of the characters would get on with it.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Phil_A on September 27, 2018, 08:30:11 AM
Norm Breyfogle has died. Oddly he had been on my mind the last couple of days as I remembered he'd suffered a stroke in 2015 and was having to crowdfund to pay his medical bills, and I was wondering how he was doing. Probably not well, it turns out :(

https://www.cbr.com/norm-breyfogle-dead-at-58/
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Chriddof on September 27, 2018, 09:23:28 AM
Although I'm no longer much of a fan of superhero comics, this has really saddened me, and the fact that he'd had a stroke had completely passed me by. I always liked his art style in those late 80s / early 90s Batman comics, which was a bit like Frank Miller's art, only that it actually looked good, "read" properly and was refined to a point that it all worked on page, as opposed to Miller's whose art was a bit all over the place with the random splotches of black and weird lines in places they shouldn't be.

Breyfogle's style was some the earliest superhero comic book art I was able to both recognise and know precisely who drew it just from looking at any given panel. I was always pleased if I bought one of those official UK reprintings of a Batman comic (with the pages massively blown up to fit an A4 sized magazine page) and it was him drawing the insides.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on September 27, 2018, 07:18:10 PM
That is sad news, when I was really in to Detective Comics he was the artist on it, and I really loved his work. 58 is no age to go either.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: magval on September 27, 2018, 11:36:30 PM
He's my favourite. That's shite.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on October 01, 2018, 07:24:39 PM
The Wild Storm 2 - 17 - Really loved this, it's some of Warren Ellis's best work in years and I loved how he gradually introduces the characters from The Authority in to proceedings. It's only got 6 issues left to run but I hope he then spins it off in to a new series set in that universe.

Heroes In Crisis - Tom King's big DC series, it's a bit too grim for my liking with Harley Quinn repeatedly knifing Booster Gold, and then the revelation that Booster might be responsible for murdering a fuck load of superheroes. The art's lovely and I am intrigued by the idea of their being a psychiatric hospital for damaged superheroes, and will probably read a couple more issues, but I can't say I particularly liked the first issue.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: jobotic on October 01, 2018, 08:29:32 PM
Carlos Ezquerra has died. FFS/Drokk!
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Phil_A on October 01, 2018, 09:16:08 PM
Aww, fuck. I'm guessing it was cancer given he'd had at least one close shave already? Fuck it all.

Jesus, how many memorable images was he responsible for in the classic years of 2000AD? Too many to count. A defining artist in so many ways.

Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Phil_A on October 01, 2018, 09:30:30 PM
He's a legend for his work on Strontium Dog alone - "Journey Into Hell" was always a favourite of mine

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-2z-xWS-AxGc/U9KBvnapP0I/AAAAAAAAJz4/y3fhzbBfHMY/s1600/stront030.jpg)

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ysxT1IcA-K4/U9K3wM35XsI/AAAAAAAAJ1A/XYCX0T6wQlA/s1600/stron038.jpg)

Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on October 02, 2018, 02:43:27 AM
Such a shame. I loved Ezquerra's art. He's an artist that made it look effortless.
Always had energy in his lines.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on October 02, 2018, 02:57:15 AM
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on October 01, 2018, 07:24:39 PM
Heroes In Crisis - Tom King's big DC series, it's a bit too grim for my liking with Harley Quinn repeatedly knifing Booster Gold, and then the revelation that Booster might be responsible for murdering a fuck load of superheroes. The art's lovely and I am intrigued by the idea of their being a psychiatric hospital for damaged superheroes, and will probably read a couple more issues, but I can't say I particularly liked the first issue.

From the outside, everything about it says NO! Yet another Crisis event. Yet another event! Where does this fit? Haven't they yet to finish the other events like Doomsday Clock? And they're using that style of cover again. It all seems incredibly tired and horse flogging.
And yet... the art in the preview does look better than average. I could be swayed to try it. Art plays a big part in these things
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on October 02, 2018, 09:43:56 PM
Tried it.
Didn't like it. Art was okay - a mix of Oliver Coipel and Leinil Yu.
His take on Wonder Woman is... well, I'm sure he studied certain poses a lot.

But the script- too grimdark albeit thankfully without overly macabre, dark, bdsm injustice outfits.
And yet, playing in the grittier end of CSI in order to have shocking deaths leaves me cold.

There may be some twist and I might be tempted to dip into the collected version but none of this made me interested to plod through on a monthly basis.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on October 02, 2018, 10:14:52 PM
That's how I felt, which is a shame as I love his take on Mister Miracle and had high hopes for it.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Norton Canes on October 05, 2018, 02:17:12 PM
Quote from: kidsick5000 on October 02, 2018, 02:43:27 AM
Such a shame. I loved Ezquerra's art. He's an artist that made it look effortless.
Always had energy in his lines


One of the obits described his art as 'a riot of grim flamboyance', which I thought summed it up pretty well.

It was a huge shame that Dredd got stolen out from under his nose in the early progs, and other artists such as Bolland, McMahon and Ron Smith became known for a while as the 'definitive' Dredd artists. But he roared back with The Apocalypse War and stamped his authority back on the strip with characteristic panache, re-establishing himself as the top dog. And on the subject of Dogs, while Dredd became something of a shared concern Strontium Dog was only ever his property, at least until the unwise decision to kill off Johnny Alpha prompted him to relinquish his hold on the strip. As can be seen by the examples upthread, it was with Strontium Dog that Carlos could really give free rein to his imagination.

The other remarkable thing about him is that his skills never showed the slightest sign of decline, even with the onset of old age and ill health. Some of the black and white commission work he's done over the last few years if anything eclipses the quality of his commercial material. And with a couple of exceptions he stayed loyal to the House of Tharg, even when he was seconded to Crisis to draw Third World War.

The fact that on top of all that he was a wonderful bloke who had time for everyone makes him seem almost too good to be true. Absolutely a legend. 
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on October 05, 2018, 07:11:10 PM
Quote from: Norton Canes on October 05, 2018, 02:17:12 PM

One of the obits described his art as 'a riot of grim flamboyance', which I thought summed it up pretty well.

It was a huge shame that Dredd got stolen out from under his nose in the early progs, and other artists such as Bolland, McMahon and Ron Smith became known for a while as the 'definitive' Dredd artists. But he roared back with The Apocalypse War and stamped his authority back on the strip with characteristic panache, re-establishing himself as the top dog. And on the subject of Dogs, while Dredd became something of a shared concern Strontium Dog was only ever his property, at least until the unwise decision to kill off Johnny Alpha prompted him to relinquish his hold on the strip. As can be seen by the examples upthread, it was with Strontium Dog that Carlos could really give free rein to his imagination.

The other remarkable thing about him is that his skills never showed the slightest sign of decline, even with the onset of old age and ill health. Some of the black and white commission work he's done over the last few years if anything eclipses the quality of his commercial material. And with a couple of exceptions he stayed loyal to the House of Tharg, even when he was seconded to Crisis to draw Third World War.

The fact that on top of all that he was a wonderful bloke who had time for everyone makes him seem almost too good to be true. Absolutely a legend.

That's a lovely tribute to the great man there.

Freakangels - Originally a webcomic, this has been collected together as six trade paperbacks. Written by Warren Ellis it's a fun and breezy read, and the arts mostly nice too. It has the occasional dip in quality but I liked it a fair bit as a whole.

Batman 56 - Bats is on the rampage after the shooting last month, trying to track down the person responsible. It's okay, but not the most interesting work King has done on the series.

The Walking Dead 184 - Why do I do this to myself? It's a real sickness. Am getting therapy soon and will ask for help on this front first.

Doctor Who: The Thirteenth Doctor Issue 0 - Barely features 13 at all and is just an excuse to have brief stories from the previous 12 Doctors. Quite fun, and the art's mostly great, though frustratingly they went with a really shitty cartoonish style for Tom Baker that spoils it a bit.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on October 06, 2018, 01:55:39 AM
Quote from: Norton Canes on October 05, 2018, 02:17:12 PM

One of the obits described his art as 'a riot of grim flamboyance', which I thought summed it up pretty well.

It was a huge shame that Dredd got stolen out from under his nose in the early progs, and other artists such as Bolland, McMahon and Ron Smith became known for a while as the 'definitive' Dredd artists.

I have to admit, his early Dredd stuff I was not a fan, possibly because he was drawing Dredd too realistically - or costume designing for a low-budget film adaptation in the early days - his Dredd had more of a biker feel. Other artists embellished the costume for it to work in comics. (Then again, there's something joyfully nuts about UK comics where each artist could just dictate helmet shape, style of eagle, gun for their go.)

But Strontium Dog and the rest, Ezquerra had such a punk edge to his style. It was attractively raw. You can tell when an artist has studied anatomy and he was a natural director. The are no poses or layouts where you can see he's struggled. Everything feels like it hit the page from his pen with little-to-no resistance.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on October 06, 2018, 01:59:10 AM
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on October 05, 2018, 07:11:10 PM


The Walking Dead 184 - Why do I do this to myself? It's a real sickness. Am getting therapy soon and will ask for help on this front first.

Like the tv show, you could get the same joy from reading the synopsis on Wikipedia.
That said, I still buy the collections as they have, rather decently kept the price pretty much the same and they do work better reading 6-7 issues at a time
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on October 12, 2018, 10:38:12 PM
It turns out for the last couple of years we've had a "Comics Laureate" - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-45840811 - Apparently she's "the award-winning creator of graphic novels Adamtine and Livestock" but I can't say I've heard of them, does anyone know if they're any good?


Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: icehaven on October 15, 2018, 07:20:43 AM
Saw that on the news this morning and also hadn't heard of them/her (although the title Adamtine sounds familiar, but I'm not sure if that's just because it sounds like Adamantine) so going to investigate further.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on October 15, 2018, 03:26:19 PM
Quote from: icehaven on October 15, 2018, 07:20:43 AM
Saw that on the news this morning and also hadn't heard of them/her (although the title Adamtine sounds familiar, but I'm not sure if that's just because it sounds like Adamantine) so going to investigate further.

I'd be intrigued to hear your thoughts, I couldn't track down any of her work online and can't afford graphic novels right now.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on October 17, 2018, 09:43:52 PM
Supergirl - Being Super - Cute four issue retelling of the origin story which is fun if a little throwaway, but I enjoyed reading it well enough. Pleased to see the character no longer has enormous breasts too, it's about time DC stopped making all of it's superheroes ridiculously top heavy.

Faith - Dreamscape 1 - I love the character and wish she had an ongoing series but have to put up with occasional mini-series. Anyway, this is great stuff, and I'd recommend everyone track all of her comics down.

Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on October 18, 2018, 02:11:11 AM
Thought I'd give Thor issue 6 a go as I haven't read the comic before, and it turns out events are all rather complicated:

(https://i.imgur.com/hAVJigI.jpg)

It's actually fairly fun stuff, the art's really great and it's ridiculously over the top, so I plan to start reading it regularly now, which surprises as I'm not normally in to Marvel fare.

Batman 57 - One long fight scene between Bats and The Beast, intercut with an old Russian fairytale. Took about five minutes to read and was pretty disappointing stuff, I get what King was trying to do but I'd be pissed off if I'd paid £3 for it.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on October 18, 2018, 12:22:34 PM
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on October 18, 2018, 02:11:11 AM
Thought I'd give Thor issue 6 a go as I haven't read the comic before, and it turns out events are all rather complicated:

(https://i.imgur.com/hAVJigI.jpg)
I'd have words with that intern. All caps is for headlines and standfirsts, not body text.
Grief that was a difficult read.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on October 22, 2018, 06:01:43 PM
Heh, you're not wrong. Turns out that it's a great comic though, it feels so weird to praise a mainstream Marvel title but it really is a lot of fun.

I'm also especially fond of Thor's dog, Thori.

(https://i.imgur.com/yCD8iCh.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/vhOfyUg.jpg)
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: gout_pony on October 25, 2018, 12:05:44 AM
I'm still thoroughly enjoying Olivia James' new Nancy comics. Cute and endearing without ever resorting to sentimentalism. Not as startlingly iconic as classic Bushmiller-era, but she has some real comics chops and gets how child psychology can make for some fun, even arch jokes.

https://www.gocomics.com/nancy/2018/10/06?fbclid=IwAR2fesjY1kTPRLmjqSf4B9yP2gDeKbR1ACesLBLyUDcK323OQgTHgo-jaGg (https://www.gocomics.com/nancy/2018/10/06?fbclid=IwAR2fesjY1kTPRLmjqSf4B9yP2gDeKbR1ACesLBLyUDcK323OQgTHgo-jaGg)

https://www.gocomics.com/nancy/2018/09/04?fbclid=IwAR0z-WP1_Tqmqv28kMuv2XwSffg04ycbNFXgC_ZUlGrwsrKHJkMcc4ELP_c (https://www.gocomics.com/nancy/2018/09/04?fbclid=IwAR0z-WP1_Tqmqv28kMuv2XwSffg04ycbNFXgC_ZUlGrwsrKHJkMcc4ELP_c)

https://www.gocomics.com/nancy/2018/07/16?fbclid=IwAR2we2RUpUYjD6TMNh4hXqSbUWDTe2Fu_FNYbQ5o4tcaXsI8bE-kUzYFxqw (https://www.gocomics.com/nancy/2018/07/16?fbclid=IwAR2we2RUpUYjD6TMNh4hXqSbUWDTe2Fu_FNYbQ5o4tcaXsI8bE-kUzYFxqw)
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Spiteface on October 27, 2018, 08:23:31 PM
2 issues into Beyond the Grid, and I hope things pick up with the new creative team on Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers, because I'm not really feeling this right now. Maybe it was because of the absurdly high stakes with Shattered Grid (basically Power Rangers does a Crisis) with the VERY familiar original cast, written by someone (Kyle Higgins) who utterly gets Power Rangers but writes it with a comic book sensiblility freed from having to use stock footage from Japan.

So far, I feel like you could take out this random team, replace them with 6 other characters and the outcome would be the same, it's coming off like any other spacey sci fi material at the moment. Solar Ranger is an interesting original (i.e. non-Japanese) design though, and I want to know more about her and how she's apparently got powers when the Grid's still fucked after what Lord Drakkon did:
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/powerrangers/images/8/8f/MMPR_Issue_32-final.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20180901191336)
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on October 30, 2018, 02:29:45 AM
Betty "The Slayer" Mitchell - Cross Buffy with The X-Files and set it in the Victorian period and what have you got? A big old pile of annoying shit. It's a nice enough idea but the writings terrible, and surprisingly bland given the concept.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on November 06, 2018, 12:35:00 AM
Just learnt that the artist of Doomsday Clock is a fan of Stewart Lee's, and included him in issue 3:

(https://i.imgur.com/gYy91BL.jpg)

Though if that's what he does to comedians he likes I'd hate to see the outcome of one he hated.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on November 06, 2018, 10:05:21 AM
Have just been reading Neil Gaiman's A Study In Emerald.
A clever Holmes-ian mystery with some nice twists.
It's by Dark Horse but it really feels like a publishers wish-fulfilment - ie what if we did more with The League Of Extraordinary Gentleman in the Victorian era (back when it was more fun). That's very telling in the spoof ads that go ahead of each chapter.
If you can't get Alan Moore, Gaiman is the obvious choice.
There are a few Victorian legends involved, a touch of Lovecraft.
Some really nice art by Rafael Albuquerque who's work has a looseness but a confidences and you're never left wondering who's who.
If you haven't read Huck yet, another of Mark Millar's movie pitches in comic form.

Lovely Stuff. With the ending, I really want to know more about this world, and particularly this Baker St duo.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: magval on November 07, 2018, 02:17:30 AM
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on November 06, 2018, 12:35:00 AM
Just learnt that the artist of Doomsday Clock is a fan of Stewart Lee's, and included him in issue 3:

(https://i.imgur.com/gYy91BL.jpg)

Though if that's what he does to comedians he likes I'd hate to see the outcome of one he hated.

Stewart's talked about Peter David's run on Hulk in his shows in the past, and a good deal of it was illustrated by Gary Frank who's on Doomsday Clock at the minute. He's actually drawn him in the background of his comics before, too.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Glebe on November 08, 2018, 05:38:13 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/Eh4uFIg.jpg)

Grant Morrison signing in Forbidden Planet here in Dublin yesterday. Seemed like a nice bloke, was taking his time and chatting away to people and that.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on November 08, 2018, 11:39:26 AM
Quote from: magval on November 07, 2018, 02:17:30 AM
Stewart's talked about Peter David's run on Hulk in his shows in the past, and a good deal of it was illustrated by Gary Frank who's on Doomsday Clock at the minute. He's actually drawn him in the background of his comics before, too.

Ah, I didn't know that but it's really interesting to hear.

Quote from: Glebe on November 08, 2018, 05:38:13 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/Eh4uFIg.jpg)

Grant Morrison signing in Forbidden Planet here in Dublin yesterday. Seemed like a nice bloke, was taking his time and chatting away to people and that.

I'm very jealous Glebe, I'd like to have met him as I'm a big fan of his work, admittedly mostly his 90s / early 2000s comics but I still find him interesting to this day. Did you buy anything out of interest? Or ask any questions?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Glebe on November 09, 2018, 02:35:40 AM
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on November 08, 2018, 11:39:26 AMI'm very jealous Glebe, I'd like to have met him as I'm a big fan of his work, admittedly mostly his 90s / early 2000s comics but I still find him interesting to this day. Did you buy anything out of interest? Or ask any questions?

I got Arkham Asylum: A Serious House on Serious Earth and Batman: Gothic signed (he drew Batman symbols with both sigs! Oh, and issue 1 of his new Green Lantern series, which, tbh, I only bought out of courtesy), SMBH... I have to admit that they're the only books of his I have, but Arkham Asylum in particular is one of my favourite Batman graphic novels. So while, rather ashamedly, I'm not familiar with a lot of his other famous works, I was delighted to get them signed, being a big Batman fan and that.

As I say, he was really cool and relaxed, taking the time to talk to people and that. I just vaguely mumbled something about reading that he felt that Dave McKean went to town a bit illustrating AA, but yeah, he seemed very nice.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on November 09, 2018, 10:00:09 AM
Quote from: Glebe on November 09, 2018, 02:35:40 AM
I got Arkham Asylum: A Serious House on Serious Earth and Batman: Gothic signed (he drew Batman symbols with both sigs! Oh, and issue 1 of his new Green Lantern series, which, tbh, I only bought out of courtesy), SMBH... I have to admit that they're the only books of his I have, but Arkham Asylum in particular is one of my favourite Batman graphic novels. So while, rather ashamedly, I'm not familiar with a lot of his other famous works, I was delighted to get them signed, being a big Batman fan and that.

As I say, he was really cool and relaxed, taking the time to talk to people and that. I just vaguely mumbled something about reading that he felt that Dave McKean went to town a bit illustrating AA, but yeah, he seemed very nice.

Ah, that's cool, I really should keep an eye out for more comics signings as apart from the one comic con I've attended the only one I've ever been to was Neil Gaiman and Dave McKean and that was back in 1998! I'd also not heard of Batman Gothic before so will have to check that out.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: studpuppet on November 09, 2018, 11:02:15 AM
A few years ago my local library (someone there obviously loves their graphic novels) organised an evening with Bryan Talbot (http://www.bryan-talbot.com/). If you ever get a chance to go to one, do so. He spent the evening talking about the structure of comics, how artists draw the reader's eye around the page in the right order, subconscious visual clues they drop in etc. (I remember him talking about The Tale Of One Bad Rat (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tale_of_One_Bad_Rat) and how, every time the main character is in danger there's red involved (https://comiccreatorsuk.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/thetaleofonebadrat.jpg?w=736), even down to the car her dad drives and the postbox she posts him a letter in).

At the end he sold and signed for everyone - I'd brought some books with me, but I bought one so I didn't feel like a complete heel. He then proceeded to take at least a couple of minutes signing every book handed to him with a full (sometimes double-page) illustration plus signature. Top bloke.

Edited to say that the whole point of my post was to say: go and see him if he does a similar talk near you!
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on November 09, 2018, 12:14:38 PM
That's really interesting to hear, I've bookmarked his fan site which has news on such things and will do my best to attend one at some point.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on November 09, 2018, 12:38:06 PM
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on November 09, 2018, 12:14:38 PM
That's really interesting to hear, I've bookmarked his fan site which has news on such things and will do my best to attend one at some point.
Likewise
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Huxleys Babkins on November 09, 2018, 05:00:46 PM
Quote from: Spiteface on October 27, 2018, 08:23:31 PM
2 issues into Beyond the Grid, and I hope things pick up with the new creative team on Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers, because I'm not really feeling this right now. Maybe it was because of the absurdly high stakes with Shattered Grid (basically Power Rangers does a Crisis) with the VERY familiar original cast, written by someone (Kyle Higgins) who utterly gets Power Rangers but writes it with a comic book sensiblility freed from having to use stock footage from Japan.

So far, I feel like you could take out this random team, replace them with 6 other characters and the outcome would be the same, it's coming off like any other spacey sci fi material at the moment. Solar Ranger is an interesting original (i.e. non-Japanese) design though, and I want to know more about her and how she's apparently got powers when the Grid's still fucked after what Lord Drakkon did:
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/powerrangers/images/8/8f/MMPR_Issue_32-final.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20180901191336)

I've just caught up and I agree. I wonder if I'm not feeling it because I fell off the Power Rangers wagon during the transition to Turbo in my mid teens and therefore have absolutely no idea who any of this team of rangers are and why I should care about them. Perhaps younger readers who saw all the ones with talking police dogs in space will get more out of it than I can.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on November 09, 2018, 06:24:12 PM
Immortal Hulk 8 - After a minor blip around the 6th issue this is back on form, with some delightful body horror and all round craziness going on. So along with Thor for the first time in my life that's two Marvel comics I'm in to right now. These are confusing times.

Heroes In Crisis 2 - Well it's better than the first issue and it appears that Booster might not be guilty after all, but it's the weakest thing that I've read by Tom King so far.

Batman 58 - And talking of King, his run on the series continues and this issue sees The Penguin tasked with killing Alfred. Thankfully he doesn't, despite it looking like he was about to die, and the story becomes more complicated which pleased.

The Green Lantern 1 - Grant Morrison's first issue writing the character and it's a big space epic thing which reminded me a little of the more out there stories in 2000AD. It's okay but I'm not that crazy about it right now, I'll probably stick with it for a couple more issues but I'm not convinced it'll turn out to be a comic I ever love.

The Walking Dead 185 - Not the worst issue ever. I'm still not actively enjoying it, but I didn't hate it for once.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: studpuppet on November 09, 2018, 11:51:24 PM
Quote from: studpuppet on November 09, 2018, 11:02:15 AM
He then proceeded to take at least a couple of minutes signing every book handed to him with a full (sometimes double-page) illustration plus signature. Top bloke.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4851/45753167652_04e7a25d2c_o.jpg)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4864/45078268684_6d3f65edb0_o.jpg)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4872/45078268654_91a8667411_o.jpg)
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Glebe on November 10, 2018, 12:13:30 AM
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on November 09, 2018, 10:00:09 AMAh, that's cool, I really should keep an eye out for more comics signings as apart from the one comic con I've attended the only one I've ever been to was Neil Gaiman and Dave McKean and that was back in 1998! I'd also not heard of Batman Gothic before so will have to check that out.

It's a great little self-contained story! By the way, the only other comics signing I've been to is Kevin O' Neill (also in FP), he signed all me League of Extraordinary Gentlemen's and I was well chuffed! Apparently Mick McMahon and Ian Gibson are doing a signing here soon too, must find out more about that.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on November 12, 2018, 10:12:00 AM
Quote from: Glebe on November 10, 2018, 12:13:30 AM
It's a great little self-contained story! By the way, the only other comics signing I've been to is Kevin O' Neill (also in FP), he signed all me League of Extraordinary Gentlemen's and I was well chuffed! Apparently Mick McMahon and Ian Gibson are doing a signing here soon too, must find out more about that.

I checked out Gothic and it turns out I had read it when it was published as part of Batman: Legends of the Dark Knight back in the 90s, but yeah, it's alright, not my favourite ever Batman story but certainly really interesting stuff.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Norton Canes on November 12, 2018, 03:33:01 PM
Here's a turn-up! This year's 2000 AD bumper-length Christmas edition - prog 2111, available December 12th - features, as a special one-off, a concluding chapter (or should that be a concluding Chapter?) to Gordon Rennie and Dom Reardon's supernatural series Caballistics Inc..

Won't add any further details here for fear of spoilers, but anyone who doesn't mind seeing a brief plot outline and a page of art can visit the 2000 AD news page (https://2000ad.com/post/4586).

This heads up the release of The Complete Caballistics Inc. trade paperback on February 21st.


(https://2000ad.com/assets/pimg/00/4a/0f.jpg)


The spiel for prog 2111:

The Galaxy's Greatest Comic rounds out another storming year with a 100-page Xmas spectacular, featuring a stunning line-up of stories and creators. Dredd tackles a sinister Christmas spirit in Judge Dredd : Jingle All the Way; Nolan Blake has to investigate a terrorist cell in Skip Tracer: Louder Than Bombs; vampire bounty hunter Durham Red takes down a criminal gang in Durham Red: Three Gifts; Celtic warrior Sláine learns a little of Ukko's nefarious past in Sláine: The Bogatyr; Deadworld's survivors face down Judge Fear in Fall of Deadworld: Running Scared; the master cult makes its move in Brink: High Society; the vampires take to the skies above WWI France in Fiends of the Western Front; and the supernatural series Caballistics, Inc. comes to a close with the final ever episode 'Visiting Hour'. Plus much more!


The Slaine story is apparently not written by Pat Mills, thankfully.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Phil_A on November 12, 2018, 04:55:04 PM
Quote from: Norton Canes on November 12, 2018, 03:33:01 PM
Here's  turn-up! This year's 2000 AD bumper-length Christmas edition - prog 2111, available December 12th - features, as a special one-off, a concluding chapter (or should that be a concluding Chapter?) to Gordon Rennie and Dom Reardon's supernatural series Caballistics Inc..

Won't add any further details here for fear of spoilers, but anyone who doesn't mind seeing a brief plot outline and a page of art can visit the 2000 AD news page (https://2000ad.com/post/4586).

This heads up the release of The Complete Caballistics Inc. trade paperback on February 21st.


(https://2000ad.com/assets/pimg/00/4a/0f.jpg)

The Slaine story is apparently not written by Pat Mills, thankfully.

Oh, that's interesting...wonder how they wrangled that? Mills is famously protective of his characters and once kicked up an almighty stink because a previous editor commissioned a Satanus spin-off from someone else. I always thought they'd have to prize Slaine from his cold dead hands.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Norton Canes on November 12, 2018, 05:10:26 PM
I think it's essentially an Ukko story, with a comedic slant.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on November 13, 2018, 05:17:02 AM
They started doing Durham Red stories again? Are they set back in the Strontium Dog days rather than that far-future vampire cult world?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Norton Canes on November 13, 2018, 10:34:40 AM
One story so far, started in prog 2082 (https://shop.2000ad.com/catalogue/2000-ad/2018/PRG2082P). Written by Alec Worley with the first few installments drawn by Ben Willsher, who injured his drawing hand (I think by splashing boiling water on it) and was replaced by Lee Carter for the final episodes. I haven't really followed the Durham Red chronology but I gather it was a return to the Strontium Dog days - not sure how that was explained. They've downgraded her fantasy chainmail/bondage look into more practical, X-Men type gear. The story was pretty good, nothing spectacular but very readable.

Did love this cover. I think I may have mentioned at the time, it was incredibly only the second time a 2000 AD cover had been drawn by a woman.


(https://images.rebellion.co.uk/productVersion/00/64/00.large.jpg)

Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on November 14, 2018, 11:21:08 AM
For those into comics in a digital form; Pat Mills / Kevin O'Neill's Marshall Law - Deluxe Edition is currently on Comixology for £3.99. Wowzer, that's a bargain !
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on November 15, 2018, 05:08:55 PM
Mister Miracle 12 - I've loved this mini-series a great deal and it's led me to checking out other things Tom King has written and mostly enjoying them, but I have to admit I was a bit frustrated by the final issue. The resolution to the mystery was slightly disappointing and I felt it didn't really tackle a lot of themes and ideas that it had previously set up, and it's not a million miles off from the "It was all a dream" kind of ending which I really don't like. The character's coming back in a regular series apparently but as it won't be written by King I'm not sure I care that much.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on November 20, 2018, 02:18:27 PM
Quote from: Artie Fufkin on November 14, 2018, 11:21:08 AM
For those into comics in a digital form; Pat Mills / Kevin O'Neill's Marshall Law - Deluxe Edition is currently on Comixology for £3.99. Wowzer, that's a bargain !

And now, Watchmen : The Deluxe Edition for a bargain £2.99 !
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on November 21, 2018, 10:13:08 PM
Justice League Dark 5 - So this is odd, partially as the team now consist of Wonder Woman, Swamp Thing, John Constantine, Man-Bat and Detective Chimp. It's actually not too bad at all, it feels like it shouldn't work but it does somehow, and for some reason the Blue Devil has just turned up and now seems like a mighty warrior type. I had a fondness for that character back in the late 80s but thought he'd been forgotten about completely so it's nice to see him pop up, and I'm intrigued as to how they're going to use him.

Immortal Hulk 9 - Still a lot of fun, this issue was a bit too fight-y and saw Hulk wonder about his Dad too much but there was a fair amount to like about it.

Thor 7 - Really loving this series which leaps all over the place when it comes to telling stories about Thor, we've had the current version and the incredibly old version previously but this issue is all about Thor as a young man and it's a really entertaining read. Seems to be a bit of a love/hate thing judging by reviews / comments sections, but I'm really enjoying it.

Batman 59 - Batman's still all pissy due to Nightwing being shot and so goes and beats the shit out of Bane, who's pretending to be broken. Eh, I'm getting a bit bored of this storyline now and feel a bit disappointed by King's work on the series, sometime's it's interesting but other times it's bland.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Glebe on November 29, 2018, 01:38:19 AM
There's annoyingly-long gaps between issues of the new League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. Next issue prolly won't be out 'til next year at this rate.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on December 01, 2018, 12:20:57 AM
Quote from: Glebe on November 29, 2018, 01:38:19 AM
There's annoyingly-long gaps between issues of the new League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. Next issue prolly won't be out 'til next year at this rate.

That annoys me about a lot of comics these days and is why I'm increasingly waiting until they end until I read them, it's certainly the case with Saga which I loved but due to the long hiatus I'm not going to read the rest until it's finally over.

Invincible 127 until the end - I gave up on this a couple of years ago as I was getting bored but then I heard it had finally ended so binged it and mostly enjoyed it. Some of the dialogue is a bit clunky but the action scenes were a lot of fun, and I thought the final fight between Mark and the Big Bad was superb stuff, I was really impressed to the point that it's hard to reconcile the fact that Kirkman wrote this whilst at the same time making The Walking Dead comic one of the worst things I've ever read. It almost made me a bit sad that it had come to an end but it was time, and I only wish he realised that this is the case with TWD as well.

Heroes In Crisis 3 - Nah, still not getting on with this. It's just too bleak and the whole idea of a bunch of psychologically damaged heroes being murdered in the one place which was supposed to help them is something that I find oddly distasteful. I'll stick with it as it's Tom King and I'm fond of his work, but I wouldn't if I was paying for it.

Edit: Did anyone read of all Fables out of interest? As that's another series I quit (after 117 issues!) but I've just noticed it came to an end with 150 and was wondering if it's worth me finishing off?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on December 05, 2018, 05:26:07 PM
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on December 01, 2018, 12:20:57 AM
Heroes In Crisis 3 - Nah, still not getting on with this. It's just too bleak and the whole idea of a bunch of psychologically damaged heroes being murdered in the one place which was supposed to help them is something that I find oddly distasteful. I'll stick with it as it's Tom King and I'm fond of his work, but I wouldn't if I was paying for it.

Edit: Did anyone read of all Fables out of interest? As that's another series I quit (after 117 issues!) but I've just noticed it came to an end with 150 and was wondering if it's worth me finishing off?

Heroes in Crisis. (I've just clocked that it's yet another 'Crisis' event for DC. How cute. Have they not heard of the Boy Who Cried Wolf?). Yep. Far too bleak and I suspect it will be another case of DC deciding a previously innocuous character cracked and went on a murder spree.

I binged Fables but my interest dropped, funnily enough when James Jean stopped doing the covers, because it suddenly stopped being interesting to me. As though it had finished the stories I liked.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: gout_pony on December 05, 2018, 08:16:25 PM
Unusually a bit disappointed by the new Love and Rockets - felt very much like a stop-gap. Good to see Venus back though - it'd be nice to have an issue around what her daily routine is like since her life tends to be less torrid and bleak than her aunt's! The Hopey and her son comic was sweet, but I wanted more Ray.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on December 05, 2018, 08:33:55 PM
Quote from: kidsick5000 on December 05, 2018, 05:26:07 PM
Heroes in Crisis. (I've just clocked that it's yet another 'Crisis' event for DC. How cute. Have they not heard of the Boy Who Cried Wolf?). Yep. Far too bleak and I suspect it will be another case of DC deciding a previously innocuous character cracked and went on a murder spree.

I binged Fables but my interest dropped, funnily enough when James Jean stopped doing the covers, because it suddenly stopped being interesting to me. As though it had finished the stories I liked.

Heh, I hadn't spotted the whole Crisis thing either but you're not wrong, they really need to stop using that word, and if it turns out Booster is responsible (though it's starting to look unlikely now) I will be really pissed off as he's been a favourite of mine since the JLI days.

And I'm still not sure if I can be bothered finishing Fables, especially as it turns out that Bill Williingham has a fairly shitty attitude towards women. But then that might just be me looking for an excuse not to read it when I don't really need one.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on December 06, 2018, 01:07:04 AM
Batman 60 - Bats is still sulking because someone shot Nightwing and is beating the shit out of people to find out whether or not Bane is running Arkham. But the big bad turns out to be Thomas Wayne, from an alternative universe related to the whole Flashpoint thing. After the disappointing ending to Mister Miracle and all of Heroes In Crisis so far I'm starting to lose interest in Tom King and may drop this title if it doesn't improve soon.

Doomsday Clock 8 - Not hideous because it only briefly features the Watchmen characters, but still not great and I'm not sure why I'm reading it.

The Walking Dead 166 - Kind of okay, Rick's still a twat but at least they killed off Dwight at last. I'll be glad when this Commonwealth storyline is over with though, it's been dragging on for ages and is boring me now. Not that I have faith that anything which follows it will be any good, but fuck it, it seems I'm in it for the long run and at least each issue only takes about 5 minutes to read.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on December 08, 2018, 04:15:27 PM
I have to say, begrudgingly*, I do enjoy Mark Millar's movie pitches. The recent stuff anyway.
The Magic Order is coming to a close soon. Fun stuff though. Worth getting the collection.
His latest, Prodigy is also rather fun. He's retreamed with Raphael Albuquerque who he did the very enjoyable Huck with.

I also picked up this The Immortal Hulk The Best Defense, part of the revival of the Defenders.  Artist Simone Di Meo is like the second coming of Immonen

*begrudging because I there's still part of me that sees these as a cynical move. But at the same time, more power to him. Making comics has bugger all money in it. Why use these single ideas for work for hire only to see aspects 'borrowed' by other properties?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on December 13, 2018, 08:43:53 PM
Batman: Damned issue 2 - Quite possibly the worst comic I've ever read, it's so hilariously over the top with it's dark grittiness that it's impossible to take seriously. Etrigan is a rapper in this, Deadman's getting off on feeling pain and Bats is whining about his childhood, at least in flashback, and Harley Quinn tries to rape Batman at the end. I'm amazed DC have put this out, it's absolute trash of the worst order but I plan to read every issue as it's so ridiculously awful.

At The Mountain Of Madness - A graphic novel adaptation of the novella, I mentioned this in the HP Lovecraft as though the script is okay the art is awful, it's kind of like that found in Tin Tin and doesn't suit the material in the slightest.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on December 14, 2018, 06:05:13 AM
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on December 13, 2018, 08:43:53 PM
At The Mountain Of Madness - A graphic novel adaptation of the novella, I mentioned this in the HP Lovecraft as though the script is okay the art is awful, it's kind of like that found in Tin Tin and doesn't suit the material in the slightest.

Say whaaaaaaat? Is it this one?
(http://goodokbad.com/assets/images/books/mtmadness_01.jpg)

Doesn't look too bad. Similar to Rian Hughes' work. Though admittedly, three panels do not make a comic.

Were you hoping for something more painterly?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on December 14, 2018, 12:00:09 PM
Quote from: kidsick5000 on December 14, 2018, 06:05:13 AM
Say whaaaaaaat? Is it this one?
(http://goodokbad.com/assets/images/books/mtmadness_01.jpg)

Doesn't look too bad. Similar to Rian Hughes' work. Though admittedly, three panels do not make a comic.

Were you hoping for something more painterly?

I was to be honest, and this picture particularly highlighted the weakness of the art for me:

(https://i.imgur.com/rIakY4S.jpg)

In the novella Lovecraft goes on and on about how amazing the art was in the city, whereas here it looks like the work of a seven year old. I like the style in certain comics and am a big fan of Rian Hughes, but just don't think it works with Lovecraft.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Glebe on December 20, 2018, 09:05:59 AM
Much to my surprize, I managed to find issue #3 of The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen: The Tempest yesterday. Thought it wouldn't be on shelves for yonks.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on December 20, 2018, 03:45:22 PM
Quote from: Glebe on December 20, 2018, 09:05:59 AM
Much to my surprize, I managed to find issue #3 of The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen: The Tempest yesterday. Thought it wouldn't be on shelves for yonks.

Seeing it in comixology surprised me. My first thought was "They've created another Mina Harker spin-off?"
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Glebe on December 20, 2018, 04:41:06 PM
Quote from: kidsick5000 on December 20, 2018, 03:45:22 PMSeeing it in comixology surprised me. My first thought was "They've created another Mina Harker spin-off?"

I've not read it yet, but it has a 3D section and comes with a pair of 3D specs, like The Black Dossier.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on December 20, 2018, 08:58:15 PM
Infinity Wars 1 - 6 - Big Marvel crossover thing though I only read the main series and not the tie-ins. It's quite a lot of fun, I was in the mood for a bright and breezy and violent effort and this delivered, even if the reset button could be seen a mile off.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: BritishHobo on January 05, 2019, 07:39:35 PM
Finally started Buffy/Angel season 10. I'm not sure they're gonna do library editions for Angel, so I've just got the paperbacks. I read that season 12 is due to be the last one, so I may sack off waiting for library editions.

I hope that is the case, because I'm not sure I'd bother carrying on past this season otherwise. I think I'm just finding that the format is never gonna be able to do what made Buffy and Angel great for me, the way they really took the time growing the characters and their relationships. The comics are just so quick, and so busy. There's so many characters - some of whom, like the policeman and the shit male slayer, might as well not exist - and the comics are like near-constant expedition because there's so much gnarled backstory now to keep reminding readers of. Dawn and Xander's relationship and the problems in it for example has pretty much entirely been just told to the readers. And they have to keep over-explaining the magic situation because it's so complicated and tied up in two seasons of plot.

Also every single cliffhanger in every single issue is always a final panel revealing the surprising return of a character. You'd think they would run out of characters. Often the art doesn't look like the actor so the surprise doesn't work, or I have to Google it 'cos I can't remember who it is.

My one highlight so far has been the Xander/Spike issue, which I think caught the monster-of-the-week/character-development thing well.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: mikeyg27 on January 07, 2019, 09:59:14 PM
A little outside the usual scope of this thread, but does anyone have any decent comics recommendations for 10-year olds?

Not the Hilda books (already done them) and not Nimona, which I've apparently somehow bought as a present for the same person two years in a row and is the reason I'm asking.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: chveik on January 07, 2019, 10:30:53 PM
Quote from: mikeyg27 on January 07, 2019, 09:59:14 PM
A little outside the usual scope of this thread, but does anyone have any decent comics recommendations for 10-year olds?

Not the Hilda books (already done them) and not Nimona, which I've apparently somehow bought as a present for the same person two years in a row and is the reason I'm asking.

The Adventures of Tintin
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Sin Agog on January 08, 2019, 12:10:52 AM
Maybe try Shaun Tan's The Arrival?  It's a wordless graphic novel that feels a bit like it could be a Studio Ghibli movie tacklng the experience of being an immigrant.  I bought it for some severely dyslexic to the point of being illiterate family members who loved it, but I can imagine it really striking a chord with a thoughtful ten year old.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: holdover on January 08, 2019, 01:04:06 PM
Bone
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Phil_A on January 08, 2019, 01:57:28 PM
Gunnerkrigg Court is a really good "all ages" webcomic that's been collected in a few books, although looking it up I see volume is out of stock again, how annoying.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: madhair60 on January 08, 2019, 03:12:50 PM
Phoenix stuff. https://thephoenixcomic.co.uk/shop/
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: mikeyg27 on January 08, 2019, 03:26:40 PM
All good suggestions, thanks!
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on January 09, 2019, 05:39:35 PM
Quote from: holdover on January 08, 2019, 01:04:06 PM
Bone

That's my pick too. Starts off very cartoony but builds into a proper fantasy epic while retaining its original charm. Available in a single massive B&W volume and in individua colourisedl books. It was originally printed in Black&W though, I believe.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: mikeyg27 on January 09, 2019, 06:28:39 PM
I love Bone, to the point that this t-shirt (http://www.boneville.com/product/bone-t-shirt-fone-bone-expressions/) is one of my most prized possessions. I have all of the colour editions (the main series ones, anyway - none of those spin-off ones like the Rose one).

Actually, I love Jeff Smith in general, RASL's pretty great too (not for kids though).
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on January 09, 2019, 10:13:10 PM
Quote from: BritishHobo on January 05, 2019, 07:39:35 PM
Finally started Buffy/Angel season 10. I'm not sure they're gonna do library editions for Angel, so I've just got the paperbacks. I read that season 12 is due to be the last one, so I may sack off waiting for library editions.

I hope that is the case, because I'm not sure I'd bother carrying on past this season otherwise. I think I'm just finding that the format is never gonna be able to do what made Buffy and Angel great for me, the way they really took the time growing the characters and their relationships. The comics are just so quick, and so busy. There's so many characters - some of whom, like the policeman and the shit male slayer, might as well not exist - and the comics are like near-constant expedition because there's so much gnarled backstory now to keep reminding readers of. Dawn and Xander's relationship and the problems in it for example has pretty much entirely been just told to the readers. And they have to keep over-explaining the magic situation because it's so complicated and tied up in two seasons of plot.

Also every single cliffhanger in every single issue is always a final panel revealing the surprising return of a character. You'd think they would run out of characters. Often the art doesn't look like the actor so the surprise doesn't work, or I have to Google it 'cos I can't remember who it is.

My one highlight so far has been the Xander/Spike issue, which I think caught the monster-of-the-week/character-development thing well.

I half liked the comics but largely agree with you, they never captured the spirit of the tv show and I'm glad they're over with now.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Norton Canes on January 10, 2019, 12:40:29 PM
Only weeks after the loss of Carlos Ezquerra, today comes news of the death of another Dredd legend, and possibly my favourite 2000 AD artist of all time: the inimitable Ron Smith


(https://static1.squarespace.com/static/55d9a2ebe4b090d1642480e9/t/573079eeb6aa60ffc690b418/1462794757815/)

Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Gulftastic on January 10, 2019, 01:01:10 PM
Aye, two of my favourite Dredd artists so close together. Brian Bolland should be careful. RIP Ron Smith.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: gout_pony on January 11, 2019, 12:57:49 PM
Quote from: mikeyg27 on January 07, 2019, 09:59:14 PM
A little outside the usual scope of this thread, but does anyone have any decent comics recommendations for 10-year olds?

Not the Hilda books (already done them) and not Nimona, which I've apparently somehow bought as a present for the same person two years in a row and is the reason I'm asking.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Adventures-Venus-Gilbert-Hernandez/dp/1606995405 (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Adventures-Venus-Gilbert-Hernandez/dp/1606995405)

^^
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: jobotic on January 11, 2019, 04:09:32 PM
My knowledge of comics extends mainly to 2000AD and I'd like to say RIP Ron Smith. Otto Sump, man, brilliant.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on January 13, 2019, 03:41:20 AM
Quote from: gout_pony on January 11, 2019, 12:57:49 PM
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Adventures-Venus-Gilbert-Hernandez/dp/1606995405 (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Adventures-Venus-Gilbert-Hernandez/dp/1606995405)

^^

Although I Gilbert's obsession with massive-titted wrestling women a bit creepy and weird, so would be a bit wary of passing this to a young girl in case it acts as a gateway drug.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: madhair60 on January 14, 2019, 08:20:50 AM
I was going to say, I looked at the preview of that on Amazon and there they are. Massive.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: gout_pony on January 17, 2019, 09:59:27 PM
Quote from: Mister Six on January 13, 2019, 03:41:20 AM
Although I Gilbert's obsession with massive-titted wrestling women a bit creepy and weird, so would be a bit wary of passing this to a young girl in case it acts as a gateway drug.

I mean... yeh, he is... I guess he's like alt. comic's Almodovar... in that there is a degree of fetishisation there, but he's also praised for spending his entire career writing really interesting, nuanced female characters - far better than Clowes or Ware or Matt or Tomine or Moore (by a lot way) any other male creator out there.

That said, there are female creators like Gloeckner who are better at it. But I wouldn't but Gloeckner for a little girl.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Glebe on January 23, 2019, 09:23:55 AM
A friend bought me a voucher for Forbidden Planet, picked up Batman: Dark Victory and Batman: RIP. That is all.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on January 23, 2019, 03:45:48 PM
Quote from: gout_pony on January 17, 2019, 09:59:27 PM
he's also praised for spending his entire career writing really interesting, nuanced female characters - far better than Clowes or Ware or Matt or Tomine or Moore (by a lot way) any other male creator out there.

Like everyone, I think Moore is a genius, but his treatment of female characters is a bit dodgy. How many of his books feature women being raped? Swamp Thing, League of Extraordinary Gentlemen (played for comedy too), Watchmen, V for Vendetta, the list goes on...
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: chveik on January 23, 2019, 07:09:45 PM
Quote from: Mister Six on January 23, 2019, 03:45:48 PM
Like everyone, I think Moore is a genius, but his treatment of female characters is a bit dodgy. How many of his books feature women being raped? Swamp Thing, League of Extraordinary Gentlemen (played for comedy too), Watchmen, V for Vendetta, the list goes on...

Neonomicon, Providence
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on January 23, 2019, 11:29:16 PM
Lost Girls, too.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on January 24, 2019, 11:16:51 AM
And LOEG has the Invisible Man suffering at the hands of Mr Hyde.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on January 30, 2019, 04:41:46 PM
Buffy Issue 1 - In which they go right back to the beginning with Buffy only having been in Sunnydale for three weeks, and we get to see her first meeting with Xander and Willow too. There's quite a few changes to the original tale, what with Buffy working part time in a burger joint, Willow's out and proud, Anya's running an underground magic shop and Drusilla is the story's first big bad. It's fairy decent in general and the art is a lot better than that found in the previous run, and there's no Dawn so that's a big bonus, but I'm not sure I'm that interested in seeing this story again, even if there are quite a few variations.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: BritishHobo on January 30, 2019, 08:26:28 PM
Why are they doing that? Is it meant to be a kind of alt-universe season one?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on January 30, 2019, 08:50:21 PM
Quote from: BritishHobo on January 30, 2019, 08:26:28 PM
Why are they doing that? Is it meant to be a kind of alt-universe season one?

No idea to be honest, I guess they thought more high school era Buffy would sell than the adventures of the older version. And it does appear to be that, I guess for new readers it's a good place to begin, but are there really that many of them?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: BritishHobo on February 03, 2019, 10:44:34 AM
I do find that the post-finale comics seem to struggle with rooting the characters in a situation, a bit like season four of the show when they had to move past high-school and couldn't quite figure out what to do with the characters in their everyday lives. They managed to channel that into something quite interesting about dealing with a lack of direction in your life, but the comics don't even have that, really. The ordinary, real-life stuff is what makes Buffy, but I can't get a handle on it in the comics.

I've got a volume each of Buffy and Angel and Faith season 10 to get, but I've lost interest a bit. Not sure I can be bothered with two more seasons.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on February 03, 2019, 07:34:13 PM
Quote from: BritishHobo on February 03, 2019, 10:44:34 AM
I do find that the post-finale comics seem to struggle with rooting the characters in a situation, a bit like season four of the show when they had to move past high-school and couldn't quite figure out what to do with the characters in their everyday lives. They managed to channel that into something quite interesting about dealing with a lack of direction in your life, but the comics don't even have that, really. The ordinary, real-life stuff is what makes Buffy, but I can't get a handle on it in the comics.

I've got a volume each of Buffy and Angel and Faith season 10 to get, but I've lost interest a bit. Not sure I can be bothered with two more seasons.

I wouldn't have bothered if I'd been paying to read them, I finished Buffy in the end (and season 12 is only four issues so not too much of a hassle to read) but still have a fair bit of Angel & Faith to read, even despite them being free I'm not sure I'll bother.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Custard on February 05, 2019, 11:13:27 PM
Been reading the 28 Days Later comic in a fat omnibus of the lot, and it's surprisingly decent. Picks up after the first film, though only Selena is left, for some reason which hasn't been revealed yet. Well worth a look if you're sick of The Walking Dead, as it's very simple, to the point, and nasty

Also bought all of The Woods in a Comixology sale, but only halfway through and already finding it a chore. The premise was good (an entire school is suddenly and somehow transported to another planet), but the writing and storytelling frankly isn't very good. And I don't care about any of the characters. Might give up on it soon

About 3/4 of my way through Ultimate Spider-Man, and that has mostly been a joy. Looking forward to finally having it end, mind. Been at it a good year or so!

Also up to Volume 3 of Stray Bullets. I wonder if Racecar Amy was an inspiration for Killing Eve? Seems almost exactly the same. Good stuff anyway

Finished Saga. That's some good stuff. Apparently it's coming back soon, so will look forward to that

And finally, reading the new go at Star Wars' Thrawn. It's alright, though the character isn't as interesting as I'd heard he was. Sometimes I wish it'd just stay with Tarkin instead
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on February 08, 2019, 05:21:51 PM
Quote from: Shameless Custard on February 05, 2019, 11:13:27 PM

Also bought all of The Woods in a Comixology sale, but only halfway through and already finding it a chore. The premise was good (an entire school is suddenly and somehow transported to another planet), but the writing and storytelling frankly isn't very good. And I don't care about any of the characters. Might give up on it soon

Sounds rather like the rather horrible (or great, if you hate kids) manga The Drifting Classroom.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Pingers on February 15, 2019, 08:51:43 PM
I was looking for a graphic novel for my lad today and came across The Electric State by Simon Stalenhag. I didn't read much of the text (it's more image-heavy) but the images are really atmospheric. He'll be getting this for his birthday, I'm grabbing it as soon as he's finished

(https://pirule.s3.amazonaws.com/images/by_roadwork.jpg.850x1200_q85.jpg)

(https://creators-images.vice.com/content-images/contentimage/no-slug/c6deb0b9a6e969f6b08108f22d881ea7.jpg?resize=640:*)
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on February 20, 2019, 01:47:58 PM
I'm slightly ashamed to say that despite owning the first collection (James Jean covers) and a smattering of other issues for some time, it's taken the TV version of The Umbrella Academy to get me to read it properly- and I love it.

I think the show is brilliant, well worth the single binge, and the ending had me going back to the book to see how it held up.
Both brilliant, while being their own things. The TV show works for TV and brings in elements from across the first two series – Apocalypse Suite and Dallas.

Gerard Way has this nutso take on the X-Men that feels like it owes something to early 90s Deadline strips. There's amazing energy in Gabriel Ba's art.

Watch the show, get the first two books. Well worth it.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on February 21, 2019, 10:54:57 AM
Quote from: kidsick5000 on February 20, 2019, 01:47:58 PM
I'm slightly ashamed to say that despite owning the first collection (James Jean covers) and a smattering of other issues for some time, it's taken the TV version of The Umbrella Academy to get me to read it properly- and I love it.

I think the show is brilliant, well worth the single binge, and the ending had me going back to the book to see how it held up.
Both brilliant, while being their own things. The TV show works for TV and brings in elements from across the first two series – Apocalypse Suite and Dallas.

Gerard Way has this nutso take on the X-Men that feels like it owes something to early 90s Deadline strips. There's amazing energy in Gabriel Ba's art.

Watch the show, get the first two books. Well worth it.

I'm pretty sure they're currently on sale on ComiXology - if you like your comics digitalised...
I'm loving the series too.
I was put off the comics cos of the whole Chemical Romance things.
It appears I was wrong.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Pingers on February 22, 2019, 08:40:02 PM
I'm not sure if this goes here or somewhere else, but I just took delivery of The Art of Princess Mononoke by Hiyao Miyazaki. It's stills and original concept art from the Studio Ghibli film and it's gorgeous.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on February 23, 2019, 08:53:12 AM
Quote from: Pingers on February 22, 2019, 08:40:02 PM
I'm not sure if this goes here or somewhere else

It's as good a place as any, though maybe we should have a thread for "Art of" books and artist sketchbooks.
I love them. I have a few Miyazake books, the sketches are marvellous. Seeing the thought process is fascinating.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on March 01, 2019, 05:33:59 PM
Heroes In Crisis Issue 6 - A filler issue which is absolutely shit. I've no idea what's going on with Tom King, I was a big fan for a while but with this and the very dull run on Batman since the non-wedding, along with the disappointing ending to the otherwise fantastic Mr Miracle miniseries, I'm starting to lose interest in him.

D.R. & Quinch - I've been rereading these for an article I'm writing and it's less fun then I remembered. Some stories are still great, with Go To Hollywood being my favourite, but a few of them are a bit predictable and Moore running on autopilot. While the new one off that 2000AD published last year by Owen Johnson & Colin Bell is just plain rubbish.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on March 04, 2019, 11:30:28 AM
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on March 01, 2019, 05:33:59 PM
Heroes In Crisis Issue 6 - A filler issue which is absolutely shit. I've no idea what's going on with Tom King, I was a big fan for a while but with this and the very dull run on Batman since the non-wedding, along with the disappointing ending to the otherwise fantastic Mr Miracle miniseries, I'm starting to lose interest in him.

D.R. & Quinch - I've been rereading these for an article I'm writing and it's less fun then I remembered. Some stories are still great, with Go To Hollywood being my favourite, but a few of them are a bit predictable and Moore running on autopilot. While the new one off that 2000AD published last year by Owen Johnson & Colin Bell is just plain rubbish.

Thanks for the heads- up on Heroes In Crisis. I was tempted to pick it up but will wait for the compilation.

D.R. & Quinch - do you think you find it less fun because it's been the formula for much since. Or just that your tastes have become more sophisticated.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on March 04, 2019, 06:50:25 PM
Quote from: kidsick5000 on March 04, 2019, 11:30:28 AM
Thanks for the heads- up on Heroes In Crisis. I was tempted to pick it up but will wait for the compilation.

D.R. & Quinch - do you think you find it less fun because it's been the formula for much since. Or just that your tastes have become more sophisticated.

Probably because it's become a bit more sophisticated, and I can see what Moore is ripping off paying homage to whereas as a teenager I wasn't aware of such things. A lot of it is really fun still, just a couple of stories felt predictable and repetitive.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Glebe on March 05, 2019, 02:19:26 AM
Just finished Batman: Dark Victory and Batman: RIP... I knew Dark Victory was set after the events of The Long Halloween, but I didn't realise quite how much of a 'sequel' it would turn out to be. Anyway, it's a worthy enough follow up... must get my hands on the story-related Catwoman: When in Rome, it seems to out of print so may have to give eBay a search.

Batman: RIP is, typically for a Grant Morrison story, fairly nutty... I wasn't familiar with some of the Batman stories and characters it was following up on, which made it a Bat-mite confusing in places, but it was an interesting read nonetheless.

Oh yeah, The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen: The Tempest... issue #5 is out this month, it's been fairly wacky so far with 3D bits (as in The Black Dossier) a photostory, some Beanoesque fun and actually a pretty major twist in the last issue.

Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on March 01, 2019, 05:33:59 PMD.R. & Quinch - I've been rereading these for an article I'm writing and it's less fun then I remembered. Some stories are still great, with Go To Hollywood being my favourite, but a few of them are a bit predictable and Moore running on autopilot. While the new one off that 2000AD published last year by Owen Johnson & Colin Bell is just plain rubbish.

I used to have a 'D.R. & Quinch Say Nuke Your Parents' T-shirt. A new one?! Without Moore? Crikey.
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Post by: Custard on March 08, 2019, 05:56:39 PM
A very nice 'Leading Ladies Of DC' sale on at Comixology at the moment. I especially recommend Greg Rucka's Batwoman. One issue in, and I'm hooked

https://m.comixology.co.uk/comics-sale?list_id=29023

Bought some Birds Of Prey too, and might get on some Wonder Woman
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on March 10, 2019, 08:24:58 AM
Quote from: Shameless Custard on March 08, 2019, 05:56:39 PM
A very nice 'Leading Ladies Of DC' sale on at Comixology at the moment. I especially recommend Greg Rucka's Batwoman. One issue in, and I'm hooked

https://m.comixology.co.uk/comics-sale?list_id=29023

If that's the one with the astounding JH Williams art, it is fantastic.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on March 10, 2019, 11:07:23 PM
Black Hammer 8 - So three months after the last issue a new one comes out with an all new mystery beginning, even though there's a good few which still haven't really been resolved. If it was published regularly I wouldn't mind but it's all too irritating and every time something's seemingly solved it then becomes more complicated, so despite liking this a lot I'm going to give up on it until it's finally finished, probably in the year 2025.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on March 15, 2019, 07:50:58 PM
Doctor Who issue 5 - Another pretty good issue though it felt a bit like a classic era tale, what with the way it introduces the location and the characters but we didn't get to see the villain until the very end. Houser writers 13 really well but even she can't make Yaz and Ryan interesting though, which is a bit frustrating.

Doomsday Clock 9 - Laughably awful, but I quite enjoyed it because it was so bad.

The Walking Dead 189 - I didn't hate it. Things happened for once and it was vaguely interesting. These are strange days indeed.

Also: One of my all time favourite directors Jaco Van Dormael (Mr Nobody, Toto The Hero) is involved in the creation of a new Blake and Mortimer graphic novel, I don't know much about the characters but will definitely have to check it out as I love his work so much, for anyone interested there's more on the story here: https://plus.lesoir.be/212079/article/2019-03-14/blake-et-mortimer-le-dernier-pharaon-transforme-bruxelles-en-une-zone-inhabitee
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Phil_A on March 16, 2019, 07:07:34 PM
Skip Tracer finally came to an end in last week's 2000AD, and I can honestly say that after three consecutive and long-running stories I can't recall a single thing of note about the whole saga. It has the feeling of being an attempt to create a new semi-regular strip that could run year round a la Nikolai Dante or Sinister Dexter, but it's baffling that Tharg would chose this of all things to be that strip.

There's no hook for the reader, nothing to grab your attention or compel you to keep reading. The central character is completely without any kind of distinguishing features(I struggle to remember his name, which it turns out isn't actually Skip Tracer), and the storylines are just stacked up cliches of the kind you could insert into any dystopian sci-fi narrative with only the names changed. Frankly I'm amazed they didn't just take one look at the premise - "The main guy is like an ex-soldier on the run from his past, working as a mercenary in a violent city of the future" and just hoy it into the bin right there. It's painfully unoriginal and has been done so much better so many times.

It really suffers running alongside the likes of Blink and Grey Area, which effortlessly do the kind of rich, vivid worldbuilding that Skip Tracer would dream of being able to pull off, which I suppose is only to expected as Abnett is a past master of exactly that kind of thing.

Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Phil_A on March 16, 2019, 07:12:14 PM
In other news, after years in development hell(including an aborted Nicholas Winding-Refn project) the Button Man movie is finally happening, on Netflix.

https://variety.com/2019/film/news/netflix-button-man-director-brian-helgeland-1203163200/
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Norton Canes on March 22, 2019, 10:36:03 AM
Quote from: Phil_A on March 16, 2019, 07:07:34 PM
Skip Tracer finally came to an end in last week's 2000AD, and I can honestly say that after three consecutive and long-running stories I can't recall a single thing of note about the whole saga...

It's been a bizarre inclusion. One could charitably call it something of a curate's egg, albeit a thoroughly underpoached one. It reminded me a bit of Mean Arena, from the 'golden age' of 2000 AD, the future sports saga that dragged interminably on while surrounded by classics like Nemesis the Warlock, Strontium Dog and the Judge Death Lives story, and prevented any prog it was in from being 100% thrill-powered.

I'd like to know a bit more about its background, because the second chapter is puzzling - thematically and stylistically it's very different, with mention of Blake Nolan's brother (yes, I had to look his name up) and the extended virtual reality/AI zombie sequence. It's by far the most enjoyable of the three chapters (i.e. it's enjoyable) and it makes me wonder if it was an idea from another strip, ported in to liven things up.

One thing I will say is that Paul Marshall's art was consistently excellent in chapters one and three, with Colin MacNeil deputising admirably between. Mostly, the art was the only aspect of the strip that kept me reading.

[Edit: It is actually definitely over, isn't it? I mean that last installment did look like the final one but has that been confirmed..?]
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Phil_A on March 22, 2019, 11:31:22 AM
No idea, I'm trusting Tharg has abandoned it as a failed experiment. There certainly doesn't seem to be any indication of it being back in the near future, no "Skip Tracer will return" tag or anything like that
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Norton Canes on March 22, 2019, 11:54:48 AM
Tharg seems to have a bit of a vague attitude to series finales at the moment. In this week's letter page he says there are two weeks until Grey Area reaches its conclusion; yet when the latest chapter of Kingdom finished recently with what might have been a wrap, there wasn't any clarification.

Oh well, more Slaine coming up soon... that's one strip we know is never going to end.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on March 22, 2019, 12:43:07 PM
I've just bought the entire run of Grath Ennis' The Boys on ComiXology. I had the first volume in a physical format from way back, and have been meaning to buy the rest of it. So I took the bait when it came up on sale.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: madhair60 on March 22, 2019, 02:36:28 PM
Quote from: Artie Fufkin on March 22, 2019, 12:43:07 PM
I've just bought the entire run of Grath Ennis' The Boys on ComiXology. I had the first volume in a physical format from way back, and have been meaning to buy the rest of it. So I took the bait when it came up on sale.

Gets a huge amount of shit but I really enjoy it in all its nasty glory.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Custard on March 23, 2019, 05:47:24 AM
I too am reading The Boys at the moment. I think it's brilliant

Surprisingly down to earth, and very funny

The idea of a Batman who likes to shag anything that moves, including a hot coffee cup, is making me laff just typing this out

I'm also reading Lady Killer, by Joelle Jones. It's about a normal looking housewife, who is actually a hitwoman on the sly. It's a slight, silly thing, but it's been a lorra fun so far. And I like the art a lot. A bit cartoony, yet grounded
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Gulftastic on March 31, 2019, 07:34:13 PM
The third TPB of Black Hammer.

I always love when comics mess with tropes, and they are having a field day here. It reminds me, perhaps deliberately, with Alan Moore's run on Marvelman.

Gutted to find out that Saga is having a year off. And the next Paper Girls TPB is months away.....

I manages to pick up a lot of Invincible TPBs in a sale at OK Comics. I'm just waiting for two more that I bought used from Amazon to finish the whole thing. I've enjoyed it a great deal. Kirkman has built a terrific little world, and I like that the past is not forgotten when each new adventure begins. It's flowed really well.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on March 31, 2019, 08:29:15 PM
Quote from: Gulftastic on March 31, 2019, 07:34:13 PM
The third TPB of Black Hammer.

I always love when comics mess with tropes, and they are having a field day here. It reminds me, perhaps deliberately, with Alan Moore's run on Marvelman.

I really like Black Hammer too, the only thing that frustrates me is the gaps between issues is pretty long sometimes, so reading the trade paperbacks is probably the most satisfying way.

QuoteI manages to pick up a lot of Invincible TPBs in a sale at OK Comics. I'm just waiting for two more that I bought used from Amazon to finish the whole thing. I've enjoyed it a great deal. Kirkman has built a terrific little world, and I like that the past is not forgotten when each new adventure begins. It's flowed really well.

I finished reading that this year and liked it a lot overall, and it still strikes me as bizarre that Kirkman was able to create such a fun series when the last 90 odd issues of The Walking Dead have been so bad. If it took me longer than 5 minutes to read an issue (and, er, if I paid for them) I really wouldn't bother.

I read J.M. Dematteis, Keith Giffen and Kevin Maguire's five issue mini-series of Defenders this week and enjoyed it a fair bit, it's different enough that it doesn't feel like they're just doing JLI with Marvel characters (though there are deliberate similarities) and it's a shame they never did another series as it made me laugh a good few times and Maguire's art is superb.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on April 01, 2019, 08:11:12 AM
If there's an indication of how meandering TWD has become, even the TV show has jumped forward to the Whisperers.

But Invincible pops. Some great twists in the story. I did like that each collection was named after a sitcom.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on April 02, 2019, 10:13:34 PM
I was reading Detective Comics issue 1000 earlier and this advert made me smile:

(https://i.imgur.com/aYnUuSS.jpg)

I mean I had no interest in it at first, but a poem by Neil Gaiman? Now I have to buy it!
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on April 03, 2019, 04:02:15 AM
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on April 02, 2019, 10:13:34 PM

I mean I had no interest in it at first, but a poem by Neil Gaiman? Now I have to buy it!

"There was a young crimefighter called Batman..."
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on April 03, 2019, 12:36:56 PM
Quote from: kidsick5000 on April 03, 2019, 04:02:15 AM
"There was a young crimefighter called Batman..."

If you missed out 'young', that would scan pefectly



Lolz
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on April 03, 2019, 04:04:44 PM
There was a young boy called Bruce Wayne
Whose parents thought was quite a pain
So one night they faked their deaths
After pretending to take final breaths
To kill him they hired a man called Bane
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on April 03, 2019, 04:54:35 PM
There was a crimefighter called Batman
Who loved it when bad guys didn't plan.
He said: 'I'll torture, kill you and curse,
You stupid mother fuckers'
Did I mention this version's by that Snyder man?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: samadriel on April 03, 2019, 08:29:57 PM
Snyder man, Snyder man
Does whatever an edgelord can
Likes a death
Likes to cuss
Drowns our Bats in a spray of blood
Look out
Here comes the Snyder man.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on April 04, 2019, 09:51:09 AM
Spider-man, Spider-Man
Does the things a spider can.
Catches things, yes he does
With his big sticky gloves.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on April 05, 2019, 12:30:41 AM
Got myself a library card and a big pile of stuff to read. First up was Shade, The Changing Girl, vol 1: Earth Girl Made Easy. I used to bloody love Peter Milligan's Shade, The Changing Man back in the day; this has almost nothing to do with that, but is still a pretty entertaining read.

Essentially, a twentysomething space alien who's bored of her life filches the reality-warping Madness Vest that used to belong to Shade, The Changing Man, and uses it to transfer her consciousness into the body of a nearly brain-dead Earth girl so she can steal her identity and have a bit of a holiday. Unfortunately for her, that girl was a total bitch, and is despised by the whole school she has to attend. Worse than that, the authorities are on her tail to get the M-Vest back. Worse than that, she's becoming infected by the Madness and may end up deranged. And worse again, the soul of the total bitch whose body she's stolen is coming back for her property.

It's solidly YA fare, and doesn't come close to the kind of madcap, mind-bending lunacy that Milligan rejoiced in, but it's not trying to. Instead, it's a colourful fish (or bird - she's a space avian) out of water story with some lovely simple-but-detailed art and plenty of plot threads to develop. The storytelling is a little awkward, especially at the start, and it doesn't make enough out of the reality-warping effects of the vest (and nobody seems to react to the weird stuff, so it seems it's mostly in the new Shade's head), but hopefully we'll see more of that down the line.

What's next? I'm thinking about Scooter Girl by Chynna Clugston Flores (nee Major). But we'll see.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on April 05, 2019, 05:31:32 PM
I didn't get on with Shade The Changing Girl but it could be down to expectations, as like you I bloody loved Peter Milligan's run on the series and so was really looking forward to the comic's return, only to find it had very very little to do with Rac Shade and was an all new character, and one I didn't particularly gel with either. I only read three issues of it though, and I've heard it did get a fair bit better so I really should give it another shot at some point.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on April 05, 2019, 09:02:41 PM
The protagonist becomes a lot more likeable towards the end of the first six-issue run, which is where the trade taps out. I'll definitely be picking up the second to see where it goes from here. I do wish it would go a little wilder with the Madness, and actually make it clear how much of the trippy stuff the characters are seeing and how much is in her head. Glad to hear people say it keeps improving though.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: jimboslice on April 10, 2019, 04:47:55 PM
Recently read White Knight by Sean Murphy and don't understand all the plaudits. The concept is a little bit hack (Joker turns benevolent genius! Batman villified!) but I normally enjoy that sort of thing. This one didn't grab me though. all seemed a bit paint-by-numbers, reminded me too much of Luthor running for President. The new Harley was an interesting addition at least.

Tom King's Mister Miracle next.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Norton Canes on April 11, 2019, 09:39:06 AM
Quote from: Phil_A on March 16, 2019, 07:07:34 PM
Skip Tracer finally came to an end in last week's 2000AD...

Sorry, but it seems Blake [Googles] Nolan is hard to kill. An upcoming chapter is mentioned by Tharg in the latest prog's letters page. 
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Phil_A on April 11, 2019, 09:41:41 AM
Quote from: Norton Canes on April 11, 2019, 09:39:06 AM
Sorry, but it seems Blake [Googles] Nolan is hard to kill. An upcoming chapter is mentioned by Tharg in the latest prog's letters page. 

Fuck's sake!
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on April 13, 2019, 03:22:07 PM
Batman 68 - The final part of the nightmares storyline sees Bruce dreaming about having a really dull bachelor party with Superman where they struggle to converse and then play chess a lot, while Catwoman and Lois Lane get pissed up in the Fortress Of Solitude and get some holographic supermen to strip for them. I know it sounds like I'm making this up but I'm genuinely not, it's quite amusing stuff and the last page works effectively, but this whole series has felt like filler and I can't wait for Bruce to finally wake up, beat the crap out of Bane and then do something more interesting again.

Doctor Who The Thirteenth Doctor Issue 6 - Still suffers from Yaz and Ryan being rubbish but it's fun overall.

D4VE, D4VE 2, D4VEOCRACY - Three mini-series about a futuristic Earth where the robots have taken over and now have lives just as shitty as the majority of humans tend to have. Quite funny in places but the ending's felt unsatisfactory, and I'm not sure I'd have stuck with it if I wasn't writing an article about it.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Glebe on April 13, 2019, 09:32:10 PM
I cannae find issue #5 of The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen: The Tempest anywhere... was tempted to pick up Detective #1000 but I didn't.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on April 13, 2019, 10:58:46 PM
Quote from: Glebe on April 13, 2019, 09:32:10 PM
I cannae find issue #5 of The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen: The Tempest anywhere... was tempted to pick up Detective #1000 but I didn't.

I read about 20 pages of Detective Comics #1000 but found it pretty drab so gave up on it. Also, re: the League, I've just sent you a pm now.
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Post by: Mister Six on April 14, 2019, 01:38:16 AM
My trawl through the library haul continues!

Phonogram: The Immaterial Girl is the latest, possibly last, and definitely least annoying, of the series about music being used as magic, and acts as something of a capper for most of the cast introduced in the first volume while possibly setting up a future series about a supporting cast of younger magicians. I'm not sure that it can really sustain another volume, mind you; as writer Kieron Gillen admits through his characters (especially his arguable author insert, David Kohl, who is mercifully sidelined this time around), the problem with a magical coven based entirely around pop music is that it pretty quickly becomes irrelevant and outmoded. That's been a theme since volume one, but it really gets hammered home here. Thankfully artist Jamie McKelvie is at his absolute best, and the central gimmick - a character trapped in (and enacting) classic pop videos - works really well. It's basically all those glorious pastiche Phonogram covers come to life. Worth picking up, though you'll need to have read the first two to get the most out of it.

More lightweight, but still highly charming, Scooter Girl is a brief romcom about a privileged wanker whose crush on a new girl at his high-school threatens to destroy his life. It's done in that mid-2000s, vaguely anime-influenced cartoony style that's sort of gone out of fashion, but works really well here. It goes a bit wonky in the middle, when he decides he actually has to kill her to end the "curse", and while he doesn't succeed, the only reason he doesn't become a mass murderer is his own incompetence. It's all super lightweight and played for laughs, but leaves a nasty taste in the mouth, given how fluffy the thing is as a whole.

And completing the (completely accidental) "girl" triumvirate is Tank Girl Colour Classics: Book One, 1988-1990, which I pretty much bounced right off. I dunno, the Jamie Hewlett art is gorgeous, but Tank Girl has been aped so much since that it's lost a bit of the irreverent edge it no doubt had 30 (!) years ago. That and the strips are all too one-note to read back-to-back; probably worked better as a regular bit of jazzy fun in Deadline magazine - less so in this format. Fun to look at all those photos of Hewlett, Brendan McCarthy et al trying to look cool with their white T-shirts tucked into turned-up blue denim jeans, though. Frankie says RELAX!
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Glebe on April 14, 2019, 06:47:42 PM
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on April 13, 2019, 10:58:46 PMI read about 20 pages of Detective Comics #1000 but found it pretty drab so gave up on it. Also, re: the League, I've just sent you a pm now.

*thumbs up*
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on April 18, 2019, 01:20:57 AM
Is anyone reading Mark Millar's latest movie pitch, Prodigy?
That's a tad glib but often his comics can feel like a decent concepts with a flawed script, pushed out there just to make sure he's got the IP.

Prodigy has been pretty fun, the smartest man on earth is also the perfect physical specimen gets caught up in a very 60s spy-tinged caper. Actually it is very Avengers in tone, if Steed were hotter and even smarter.
To be honest, the hero is so near perfection I wonder if were going to get a Millar twist of it all being a coma dream of a weakling incompetent.

That said, I did like his recently collected The Magic Order. Very cool art from Olivier Coipel there
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Spiteface on April 18, 2019, 09:19:34 PM
OK, nothing to do with the actual quality of thebook, but what the fuck is up with Bane being naked most of the time in the main Batman title?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on April 18, 2019, 09:24:00 PM
I read that issue too and once I'd finished masturbating (over Thomas Wayne's naked body rather than Bane's, he's just too big for me) was confused by the decision. Still, it wasn't a bad issue for once, and at least Bats will finally be awake again next issue.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Custard on April 18, 2019, 11:34:21 PM
Talking of Bats, anyone read Europa?

It's a pretty good story, with him forced to team up with Joker, as both have been given death sentences due to some poison or something. It's just an excuse to have the two of them teaming up and faffing about in various big European cities together

When you find out who's behind it and why it's a bit naff, but it's fun up to that point. Joker's french is exquisite. Nice art too
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on April 23, 2019, 04:39:00 AM
Been poking my nose into Batman: White Knight. I've been a fan of Sean Murphy's art ever dince I first saw his stuff in Hellblazer, and he suits Gotham City to a tee. And the idea - Joker goes sane, resulting in Batman going mad and getting locked up - is great.

That said, I've found the writing a little lacking... It's an Elseworlds, of course, but I was hoping it would use the Batman and Joker we more-or-less know. Instead we have a Joker who's never actually killed anyone (except possibly Jason Todd, but we all know he's coming back at some point) and a Batman who's so crazed and careless he'll (non-fatally) knock over security guards with the Batmobile just to catch a villain. It feels like a cheat so Murphy can get the pieces in place with minimal fuss, and consequently robs the story of impact.

Plus, he keeps littering the dialogue with buzzwords about the 1% and SJWs that give the impression he doesn't really know what he's taking about. Getting flashbacks of The Dark Knight Rises' incoherent "politics"...
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on April 25, 2019, 02:17:29 PM
Heroes In Crisis 8 - Tom King has finally revealed who the murderer is, and I was quite relieved it wasn't Booster Gold, I'd have been enormously pissed off if he'd made the character a psychopath. And it turns out it was Wally West, who in a moment of loss of control sort of accidentally did it. And he then dashed off five days in to the future to kill himself and took his future dead body to the past so no one would suspect him. I don't really care, I've always preferred Barry Allen as The Flash and he's not a character I have that much fondness for anyhow, but the rest of the internet seems pretty pissed off.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on April 25, 2019, 02:45:49 PM
God, I'm so tired of edgy DC superhero comics where all the heroes are getting killed for grim reasons. Or I was about 15 years ago, when I last read them with any regularity. I mean, it's Tom King, so it's probably well-written, but still.

(Isn't Wally supposed to be one of the lighter heroes, like Booster but less overtly comical? Or did they make him grimdark too?)

Speaking of Tom King! Just read his Vertigo miniseries (or maxiseries) The Sheriff of Babylon, which is an absolutely storming thriller/murder-mystery set in Baghdad shortly after the fall of Saddam. A Florida cop who went out there to train a new police force finds one of his cadets murdered, and calls upon a female fixer and a gnarled old Iraqi cop to help him find the killer.

But that's really just an excuse to explore the state of postwar Iraq, what decades of conflict have done to the locals, and American culpability in the whole thing. King worked for the CIA in some capacity, and the level of detail in the story really shows it. Brilliant. It'll make an Oscar-winning film in a couple of years, if they don't fuck with the plot or characters.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Huxleys Babkins on April 25, 2019, 02:47:55 PM
Quote from: Mister Six on April 23, 2019, 04:39:00 AM
Been poking my nose into Batman: White Knight. I've been a fan of Sean Murphy's art ever dince I first saw his stuff in Hellblazer, and he suits Gotham City to a tee. And the idea - Joker goes sane, resulting in Batman going mad and getting locked up - is great.

That said, I've found the writing a little lacking... It's an Elseworlds, of course, but I was hoping it would use the Batman and Joker we more-or-less know. Instead we have a Joker who's never actually killed anyone (except possibly Jason Todd, but we all know he's coming back at some point) and a Batman who's so crazed and careless he'll (non-fatally) knock over security guards with the Batmobile just to catch a villain. It feels like a cheat so Murphy can get the pieces in place with minimal fuss, and consequently robs the story of impact.

Plus, he keeps littering the dialogue with buzzwords about the 1% and SJWs that give the impression he doesn't really know what he's taking about. Getting flashbacks of The Dark Knight Rises' incoherent "politics"...

I'd have to go back to issue 1 to confirm, but I'm pretty sure the Joker has killed in this, he just emphasises that he didn't hurt anyone when he escaped from Arkham, whereas Batman caused utter havok trying to recapture him.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on April 25, 2019, 02:59:55 PM
Quote from: Mister Six on April 25, 2019, 02:45:49 PM
God, I'm so tired of edgy DC superhero comics where all the heroes are getting killed for grim reasons. Or I was about 15 years ago, when I last read them with any regularity. I mean, it's Tom King, so it's probably well-written, but still.

(Isn't Wally supposed to be one of the lighter heroes, like Booster but less overtly comical? Or did they make him grimdark too?)

Yeah, I am as well, I don't tend to read mainstream DC stuff these days unless it's by a writer I like (so Tom King and Jeff Lemire mainly, though the latter doesn't do much for DC at the moment) I'd lost track of Wally West but from comments others have made elsewhere it seems that he was killed off a few years back, and when brought back to life hardly anyone remembered him, and since then he's been a bit of a miserable sod.

QuoteSpeaking of Tom King! Just read his Vertigo miniseries (or maxiseries) The Sheriff of Babylon, which is an absolutely storming thriller/murder-mystery set in Baghdad shortly after the fall of Saddam. A Florida cop who went out there to train a new police force finds one of his cadets murdered, and calls upon a female fixer and a gnarled old Iraqi cop to help him find the killer.

But that's really just an excuse to explore the state of postwar Iraq, what decades of conflict have done to the locals, and American culpability in the whole thing. King worked for the CIA in some capacity, and the level of detail in the story really shows it. Brilliant. It'll make an Oscar-winning film in a couple of years, if they don't fuck with the plot or characters.

I haven't read that yet but keep meaning too, I shall definitely get round to it soon now after such a positive review.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on April 25, 2019, 03:02:29 PM
No, part of how he gets out of Arkham is that he's robbed and thieved and generally been a wrong 'un, but that he hasn't killed anyone - or at least the police can't prove he's killed anyone. Which at least suggests he's not the mass-murdering modern Joker.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on April 29, 2019, 10:22:22 AM
Quote from: Mister Six on April 25, 2019, 02:45:49 PM
Speaking of Tom King! Just read his Vertigo miniseries (or maxiseries) The Sheriff of Babylon, which is an absolutely storming thriller/murder-mystery set in Baghdad shortly after the fall of Saddam. A Florida cop who went out there to train a new police force finds one of his cadets murdered, and calls upon a female fixer and a gnarled old Iraqi cop to help him find the killer.

But that's really just an excuse to explore the state of postwar Iraq, what decades of conflict have done to the locals, and American culpability in the whole thing. King worked for the CIA in some capacity, and the level of detail in the story really shows it. Brilliant. It'll make an Oscar-winning film in a couple of years, if they don't fuck with the plot or characters.

Wow! Thanks for this heads up. Finished the first volume last night. Brilliant stuff. Every now and then I'll read a comic, then wake up the next morning thinking 'What an awesome film that was', then remember it was a comic. This is one of those comics. Brilliantly done.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on April 30, 2019, 03:02:47 PM
Glad you enjoyed it! It's a corker.

In other good times news, Evan Dorkin and Jill Thompson's Beasts of Burden is well worth picking up. It's the old "group of kids have to save their community from evil" trope, except that the kids in question are a bunch of dogs and a sarky cat, and the evil ranges from a haunted doghouse to an invasion of zombie roadkill. It sounds whimsical, and it is, but the whimsy is offset by some grisly deaths and tragic endings. It's to the massive credit of both Dorkin and Thompson that the nastier stuff never feels out of place, even when pushed right up against jokes about dogs wanting to sniff each others' arses, nor does the humour seem overly flippant when it follows a bloody death. It's an impressive tightrope act, and definitely worth your time.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on April 30, 2019, 03:43:00 PM
I read Star Wars: Vader - Dark Visions issue 3 the other day as it's causing controversy online, and wrote a ridiculously overlong review of it for my site:

Over the years there's been a lot of ridiculous Star Wars stories, and I'm not just talking about the prequels trilogy, some of the Extended Universe tales are understandably no longer canon because they were so daft and / or over the top. But this latest issue of Star Wars: Vader – Dark Visions takes the biscuit, chews it up, and then spits it back in your face leaving a heart shaped stain as it tells the story of a nurse on the Death Star who falls head over heels in love with Darth Vader.

From her perspective she thinks Vader reciprocates her feelings too, when she bursts in to the Death Star med bay while Vader is there for a check up (as even Sith Lords have the odd sick day it seems, or maybe he was just checking his face hadn't decayed completely, it's never really explained) though Darth is infuriated he takes his anger out on the doctor present and it's this act which makes our heroine think that Vader wants to get it on all hot and heavy like he once did with poor old Padmé Amidala.

Naturally she's wrong, hell, we don't even know if Vader has a working penis anymore after he fought with Obi Wan Kenobi on that lava filled volcanic planet and had his legs chopped off, but that doesn't stop her from obsessing about him, beginning a collection of mementos from his trips to the sick bay be it bits of shrapnel pulled from his armour or even samples of his blood. After the doctor discovers her beloved treasures he throws them away and that's enough to make her go crazy and rush off to confess her love to Vader, and, well, you can probably guess how well that goes.

It's a twisted little tale and a lot of humour is generated from her fantasies of being Vader's one and only, from the two of them tonguing each other's tonsils to the duo indulging in a bit of ballroom dancing, but it did leave something of a nasty taste in my mouth. The nurse is never given a name or fleshed out in any way character wise, she's just an obsessive fan of the dark lord and something of a deranged lunatic so you don't feel any sympathy towards her when she is eventually penetrated by Vader, though it's via the use of his lightsaber and not in the manner she was hoping for. Vader should be seen as a hateful bastard, it's what the first six films are based around, but this would be a far more enjoyable read if it was far more nuanced and rather than going for laughs was perhaps a chilling tale of unreciprocated affection.

Due to this it's caused a fair bit of controversy online and though it doesn't take much for the people of twitter to become enraged on this occasion I completely understand why. Vader is a figure of toxic masculinity, at least in the prequels, and by having a female character become obsessed by him it seems to be making fun out of her rather than showing just what an absolute shit Vader himself is. Writer Dennis Hallum has claimed that this wasn't his intention, that "to me it's about a person so beaten down and caged in by her fascist existence that she fantasises about the only person in her world powerful enough to free her" but that doesn't come across in the comic at all, so either he's lying or is quite a bad writer. Whatever the case, while on the surface it may be a funny and breezy read under scrutiny it's unfortunately rather unpleasant.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on May 01, 2019, 06:14:54 AM
Interesting! I kind of want to read it now...

Ploughed through most of book 2 of Grant Morrison's Doom Patrol today - the big chunky editions, not the slimmer, names 2000s collections. That span takes in the introduction of Danny the Street and the fake Men From NOWHERE; the introduction of Flex Mentallo; Rhea hatching from her cocoon and going into space; the Ant Farm and the weirdness under the Pentagon; The Beard Hunter; The Shadowy Mr Evans and Clankie; and the New Brotherhood of Dada.

I'd forgotten just how fucking crackers his run gets - and how funny it is. Christ only knows what it must have felt like in the 90s, cracking open these issues amid the endless Liefeld imitators with their big guns and tiny feet. Every page fizzes with at least one absurd, wonderful new idea or image and you can feel his delight as he realises he can throw in absurd non-sequiturs as he pleases and come back to them half a year later, if at all.

Joyous, wonderful stuff. Fascinated to see how much of Flex Mentallo's bonkers origin story makes it into the show. Feel like they've already pissed away the Ant Farm already, sadly.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on May 01, 2019, 11:22:43 AM
Quote from: Mister Six on May 01, 2019, 06:14:54 AM
Christ only knows what it must have felt like in the 90s, cracking open these issues amid the endless Liefeld imitators with their big guns and tiny feet. Every page fizzes with at least one absurd, wonderful new idea or image and you can feel his delight as he realises he can throw in absurd non-sequiturs as he pleases and come back to them half a year later, if at all.

It really was an amazing time for me, I was 14 when his run started and before that had only been in to mainstream DC comics (well, bar 2000AD and other British ones) and it was insanely fun and really showed just what comics could do. Plus around that time there was his run on Animal Man, Peter Milligan's Shade The Changing Man, Delano and then Ennis on Hellblazer, Gaiman's Sandman, and I was discovering things like Watchmen and V For Vendetta from Moore, as much as I love comics to this day for me personally I'm not sure there's ever been quite such an fascinating era.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on May 01, 2019, 01:07:44 PM
Quote from: Mister Six on May 01, 2019, 06:14:54 AM
Ploughed through most of book 2 of Grant Morrison's Doom Patrol today

I have this in my 'to read' pile. Loved the first volume.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on May 01, 2019, 01:08:50 PM
Quote from: Mister Six on April 30, 2019, 03:02:47 PM
Glad you enjoyed it! It's a corker.

In other good times news, Evan Dorkin and Jill Thompson's Beasts of Burden is well worth picking up. It's the old "group of kids have to save their community from evil" trope, except that the kids in question are a bunch of dogs and a sarky cat, and the evil ranges from a haunted doghouse to an invasion of zombie roadkill. It sounds whimsical, and it is, but the whimsy is offset by some grisly deaths and tragic endings. It's to the massive credit of both Dorkin and Thompson that the nastier stuff never feels out of place, even when pushed right up against jokes about dogs wanting to sniff each others' arses, nor does the humour seem overly flippant when it follows a bloody death. It's an impressive tightrope act, and definitely worth your time.

I remember reading the very first issue of this and enjoying it immensely. I never got round to reading any other issues, however.
*adds to pile*
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on May 01, 2019, 03:35:37 PM
Batman 70 - I was losing faith in Tom King a little as I didn't get on with Nightmares (bar the last issue) and Heroes In Crisis isn't doing it for me, but I really enjoyed this, it was a) a lot of fun, b) had Bats back on form, and c) set up the next issue nicely which should hopefully be really great too.

Ascender 1 - I loved Descender, it was one of my favourite comics of recent years and I'm a big fan of Jeff Lemire in general, and this looks like it's going to be just as good. I really like the new setting, the art once again is beautiful, and the final page made me grin an enormous amount.

The Walking Dead 191 - Just when it looked like everything was going to kick off and a bunch of much loved (liked? tolerated?) characters would be killed off, Rick pulls out one of his amazing speeches and calms everyone down. The ending was ridiculously predictable though, and could be seen from a million miles away, and I just hope Kirkman doesn't "pull a Carl" and Rick will somehow survive it. Still, either way it was an issue I vaguely enjoyed for once and they really don't come along very often.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on May 01, 2019, 05:12:43 PM
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on May 01, 2019, 11:22:43 AM
It really was an amazing time for me, I was 14 when his run started and before that had only been in to mainstream DC comics (well, bar 2000AD and other British ones) and it was insanely fun and really showed just what comics could do. Plus around that time there was his run on Animal Man, Peter Milligan's Shade The Changing Man, Delano and then Ennis on Hellblazer, Gaiman's Sandman, and I was discovering things like Watchmen and V For Vendetta from Moore, as much as I love comics to this day for me personally I'm not sure there's ever been quite such an fascinating era.

I used to flick through the Ennis Hellblazer trades and 2000AD around that time in Waterstones (or, appropriately, Dillon's before it was bought out - back when the graphic novel section consisted of a single spinning rack with dog-eared-looking Spawn trades) but didn't start buying comics properly until I went to uni in 2000, starting with the Clerks trades, progressing through Preacher, reviving my love of Hellblazer and then going full pelt into the Vertigo canon. Really wish I'd been able to read comics before then, but the only comic shop I knew of as a young teen was a murky, creepy looking thing in a forgotten corner of the town centre and I didn't much like the look of it - nor did I have the internet so I could know where to begin!

Instead I used to pore over the big full-page ads for mail-order comics in SFX, reading synopses for The Invisibles and Delano's Animal Man, and thinking, "fuck, this stuff looks so cool", but not having a way to set up an account.

I'm sure most of it would have gone over my head anyway, but it sure would have been nice...

Quote from: Artie Fufkin on May 01, 2019, 01:07:44 PM
I have this in my 'to read' pile. Loved the first volume.

Well worth reading sooner rather than later. You can really feel Morrison getting into the swing of things and letting loose.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on May 01, 2019, 09:18:27 PM
Quote from: Mister Six on May 01, 2019, 05:12:43 PM
I used to flick through the Ennis Hellblazer trades and 2000AD around that time in Waterstones (or, appropriately, Dillon's before it was bought out - back when the graphic novel section consisted of a single spinning rack with dog-eared-looking Spawn trades) but didn't start buying comics properly until I went to uni in 2000, starting with the Clerks trades, progressing through Preacher, reviving my love of Hellblazer and then going full pelt into the Vertigo canon. Really wish I'd been able to read comics before then, but the only comic shop I knew of as a young teen was a murky, creepy looking thing in a forgotten corner of the town centre and I didn't much like the look of it - nor did I have the internet so I could know where to begin!

Instead I used to pore over the big full-page ads for mail-order comics in SFX, reading synopses for The Invisibles and Delano's Animal Man, and thinking, "fuck, this stuff looks so cool", but not having a way to set up an account.

I'm sure most of it would have gone over my head anyway, but it sure would have been nice...

I pretty much understood everything back then bar some of the stranger Morrison moments, and parts of Moore's work, but then rereading it in my twenties when I had a better understanding of politics / comics history helped a lot and made it all the more rewarding. I really do cherish the late eighties / early nineties period, me and a couple of friends would head up to Croydon most weekends and pick up all the new issues, read what the others had bought and then headed home, The Phantom Zone was a really great shop that had some cool signings too which is how I managed to get my copy of Black Orchid 1 signed by Gaiman and McKean. Sadly I had to sell it back in 2005 when I was dead broke, along with most of the rest of my collection, but now I'm working again and in a secure job for once I hope to start rebuilding it much to the horror of Mrs SMBH!

Oh, and Delano's Animal Man really wasn't that good sadly, which is odd as I liked a lot of his other work, and it wasn't like it was terrible as I did stick with it through to the bitter end, but it's something I've never reread since. I did really like Jeff Lemire's 2011 take on the series though, which was heavily indebted to Morrison's, and was really saddened when it ended back in 2014.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on May 02, 2019, 03:55:01 AM
I'm sure I would have understood the plots, I just think a lot of the references, philosophical aspects and so on would be lost on me.

I did have a crack at Delano's Animal Man earlier this year (it was the cover with the big angler fish floating over a town that entranced me) but sadly, yes, it wasn't much cop. Felt like his "meat is murder" two-part Hellblazer story stretched to breaking point over several years. And hearing Buddy whine about the environment got a bit oppressive in short order too, especially given the shitfuckery that is climate change at present.

Some really stunning Steve Pugh artwork, though, especially in the opening story. I meant to make a thread about "Your favourite/the most dazzling comic book pages and panels" but never got around to it. I will eventually, though. Probably.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: magval on May 02, 2019, 06:40:59 AM
Do aye.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on May 02, 2019, 02:14:43 PM
Quote from: Mister Six on May 02, 2019, 03:55:01 AM
I'm sure I would have understood the plots, I just think a lot of the references, philosophical aspects and so on would be lost on me.

I did have a crack at Delano's Animal Man earlier this year (it was the cover with the big angler fish floating over a town that entranced me) but sadly, yes, it wasn't much cop. Felt like his "meat is murder" two-part Hellblazer story stretched to breaking point over several years. And hearing Buddy whine about the environment got a bit oppressive in short order too, especially given the shitfuckery that is climate change at present.

That's how I felt, it lost all subtlety and smashed the message home far too hard each time, which was a shame as I liked the characters. Well, bar Cliff, he was of course terrible.

QuoteSome really stunning Steve Pugh artwork, though, especially in the opening story. I meant to make a thread about "Your favourite/the most dazzling comic book pages and panels" but never got around to it. I will eventually, though. Probably.

That sounds like a great idea to me, I've a few examples over the years as I've taken a screengrab of pages I've loved, one of which also happens to be from Steve Pugh's work on Animal Man, though it was the Lemire run rather than Delano's.

DCeased 1 - DC's take on Marvel Zombies where thanks to a virus transmitted via social media (yeah, I know) six hundred million people turn feral and start eating each other. Will anyone survive? Will anyone care as it one of those Elseworlds stories? I dunno but it was throwaway fun and worth reading for free I guess.

Angel 1 - Also rebooted and tying in with the new Buffy series, I'm fond of the latter but I'm not sure if this is going to work so well if only because Angel's such a whiny and moody emo sod in it. I'll stick with it for a couple of issues but I'd be surprised if it ever becomes anything I love.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on May 02, 2019, 04:44:22 PM
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on May 02, 2019, 02:14:43 PM
DCeased 1 - DC's take on Marvel Zombies where thanks to a virus transmitted via social media (yeah, I know) six hundred million people turn feral and start eating each other. Will anyone survive? Will anyone care as it one of those Elseworlds stories? I dunno but it was throwaway fun and worth reading for free I guess.

Well, I guess it's 14 years since Marvel Zombies started

Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on May 02, 2019, 02:14:43 PM
where thanks to a virus transmitted via social media

Oh FFS

Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on May 04, 2019, 11:02:35 PM
After years of waiting, I finally read Grant Morrison's The Mystery Play! And it's, er, okayish? He seems to be going for the fragmented, eerie storytelling style that he used in his two Hellblazer issues, but Jon J Muth's painted artwork - which goes heavy on the photo referencing - is too stilted to carry weight. If only he'd been able to drag in David Lloyd, whom he had on his Hellblazer arc. The story itself is also rather simplistic despite the portentious tone and a curious ending.

That came in a collected double-bill with Sebastian O, a three-part Vertigo miniseries from the 1990s that's essentially "What if Oscar Wilde was a sociopathic super-spy in a steampunk Victorian London?" Sadly, it's not nearly as interesting as that makes it sound. It doesn't really do much of interest with its central conceit, and Sebastian is a deeply unlikeable cunt. There's a sort-of twist at the end that doesn't really go anywhere, and it feels a bit like a fleeting fancy that Morrison was never really committed to. Lovely pastel colours on Steve Yeowell's art though.

To reassure myself that Morrison is still great, I re-read All-Star Superman, and thankfully it's still glorious - the perfect encapsulation of everything wonderful about Superman, and a great antidote to Zack Snyder's abominations. The issue "Neverending", in which Superman wraps up his unfinished business before he dies, brought tears to my eyes, although it wasn't the much-shared suicidal goth page, but the bit where Superman releases his nano-pals to fix the kids in a cancer ward. Wonderful, life-affirming stuff. And Frank Quitely's art! Yowza!
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on May 05, 2019, 01:53:20 PM
All-Star Superman is close to perfect. It is a perfect mix of accessible yet smart writing and the art is beautiful and smart too. It's a book where you see instantly that they just get it. Quietly's slumping Clark Kent is so damn good.

DC does keep on having these high watermarks seemingly despite itself. They're never part of the regular series, it feels. Mister Miracle is on the outside edges where it can't affect anything.

I tried DCeased. Yeah. Zombie outbreak that can be transmitted physically or through screens (someone watched BirdBox then). It's a zombie tale, just that unlike Marvel Zombies, as ever DC will have zero sense of humour. It's no wonder Zack Snyder got that gig. Anyway, the bit that irked me was having the heroes upset that Batman tracks their whereabouts. Yeah. That. Still.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on May 05, 2019, 03:06:41 PM
Quote from: kidsick5000 on May 05, 2019, 01:53:20 PM
DC does keep on having these high watermarks seemingly despite itself. They're never part of the regular series, it feels. Mister Miracle is on the outside edges where it can't affect anything.

You're saying Mister Miracle is good? Is it a current ongoing?

Not arsed about zombies. Especially humourless DC ones. I have enormous affection for the DCU, but lordy, their editorial decisions can be appalling. How's Vertigo these days? Did they relent on the "no creator-owned" rule after Karen Berger quit?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on May 05, 2019, 05:58:16 PM
Quote from: Mister Six on May 05, 2019, 03:06:41 PM
You're saying Mister Miracle is good? Is it a current ongoing?

Mini-series recently compiled. A lot of it hinges on Mitch Gerard's art. But it is up for Eisner's and other awards.

Quote from: Mister Six on May 05, 2019, 03:06:41 PM
Not arsed about zombies. Especially humourless DC ones. I have enormous affection for the DCU, but lordy, their editorial decisions can be appalling. How's Vertigo these days? Did they relent on the "no creator-owned" rule after Karen Berger quit?

I've tried some of the Vertigo stuff, but none of it has that spark the classic era had. Or at least that's how I feels to me.
The Milk Wars looked fun - had a nostalgia for that early 90s psychedelia -  but was so oblique it was winking at itself. It has no access point
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on May 05, 2019, 06:10:18 PM
I'm going to move on to Gerard Way's Doom Patrol when I'm done with Morrison and Pollack. And maybe the series that came out in the 2000s. I'll probably check out Milk Wars at that point too.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on May 05, 2019, 06:26:13 PM
Quote from: Mister Six on May 05, 2019, 06:10:18 PM
I'm going to move on to Gerard Way's Doom Patrol when I'm done with Morrison and Pollack. And maybe the series that came out in the 2000s. I'll probably check out Milk Wars at that point too.

I may give Milk Wars another go too. Make sure I wasn't too hasty to dismiss it
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on May 06, 2019, 12:11:11 PM
Quote from: Mister Six on May 01, 2019, 05:12:43 PM

Well worth reading sooner rather than later. You can really feel Morrison getting into the swing of things and letting loose.

Halfway through vol 2 of Doom Patrol. It's crazy eight bonkers, so it is. Loving it! The Fog is brilliant!
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on May 06, 2019, 12:31:22 PM
Quote from: kidsick5000 on May 05, 2019, 05:58:16 PM
Mini-series recently compiled. A lot of it hinges on Mitch Gerard's art. But it is up for Eisner's and other awards.

I loved the mini-series all the way through until the final issue, where I was pretty disappointed by how everything was wrapped up. YMMV though of course, and many seem satisfied.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on May 06, 2019, 02:20:13 PM
Quote from: Artie Fufkin on May 06, 2019, 12:11:11 PM
Halfway through vol 2 of Doom Patrol. It's crazy eight bonkers, so it is. Loving it! The Fog is brilliant!

Hooray! And it only gets better from there. You're reading The Painting That Ate Paris trade, right? FYI, they've recollected Morrison's Doom Patrol in three bumper volumes, on nice paper - book 1 includes The Painting That Ate Paris and I think some of the issues after it. I just read book two, which contains the middle third of Morrison's run, and it is ten times as brilliant and crazy as the painting.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: BritishHobo on May 06, 2019, 05:49:36 PM
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on May 02, 2019, 02:14:43 PMAngel 1 - Also rebooted and tying in with the new Buffy series, I'm fond of the latter but I'm not sure if this is going to work so well if only because Angel's such a whiny and moody emo sod in it. I'll stick with it for a couple of issues but I'd be surprised if it ever becomes anything I love.

Is this that total reboot thing, retelling the show? How is that going? I'm still unsure why they're doing it.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on May 06, 2019, 07:09:13 PM
Quote from: BritishHobo on May 06, 2019, 05:49:36 PM
Is this that total reboot thing, retelling the show? How is that going? I'm still unsure why they're doing it.

Yeah, that's the one, where it's very similar except it's set in 2019 and modernised a fair bit, so Willow's out and proud, Buffy's mum has a boyfriend, Xander's even more of a screw up than he was in the series, etc. I had my doubts about it but it's actually quite fun, they've changed enough (Drusilla is the initial big bad for instance, and far more sane than she was in the series) that it's worth reading, partially as it's quite funny too. Angel is morose and moany though, so I don't think I'm going to bother with his series unless it picks up a lot soon.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: BritishHobo on May 06, 2019, 09:31:00 PM
Ah, I didn't realise it was modern day. That does sound like an interesting twist, and to be honest fairly welcome after how messy and convoluted things had become in the main comics storyline. I like the idea of getting back to the core of the characters. Might give this a go. I'll hold out hope for Angel as he is my favourite character - though that's down to his development in his own show, not the early emo years where he lurked in Sunnydale like a sad stalker.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on May 06, 2019, 09:57:41 PM
Angel got tons better when they realised that David Boreanaz is much better at comedy than brooding, and leaned into that.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on May 10, 2019, 02:43:47 PM
You get to see the thirteenth doctor naked on the cover for issue 7.

(https://i.imgur.com/6IPXe6h.jpg)

Got to say they're some sexy old bones too, especially her rib cage.

The issue itself is fun, still let down by Ryan and Yaz being rubbish but otherwise it's a nice, low key but enjoyable story.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on May 11, 2019, 10:07:35 AM
Quote from: Mister Six on May 06, 2019, 02:20:13 PM
Hooray! And it only gets better from there. You're reading The Painting That Ate Paris trade, right? FYI, they've recollected Morrison's Doom Patrol in three bumper volumes, on nice paper - book 1 includes The Painting That Ate Paris and I think some of the issues after it. I just read book two, which contains the middle third of Morrison's run, and it is ten times as brilliant and crazy as the painting.
Yes, correct. Unfortunately, due to lack of space, I have to get my comics in a digital stylee nowadays.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on May 11, 2019, 04:43:29 PM
I've been getting mine from the library for the same reason. Much prefer physical comics (albeit dog-eared ones) to digital.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Glebe on May 11, 2019, 05:47:11 PM
Just read The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen: The Tempest #5. Typically weird and wacky goings on... things are definitely coming to a head!
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on May 14, 2019, 11:18:14 AM
I discovered this blog last night - https://britishcomics.wordpress.com - which has a sod load of comics scans including the Eagle photostrip era which I'm somewhat overjoyed by, as I've been looking for the second and third Doomlord photo stories for years and years now. But there's an enormous amount of other gems too (2000AD, Oink, The Beano, Doctor Who Weekly, Look-In, Warrior) so if you're a fan of eighties (and sometimes earlier) UK comics it's definitely worth checking out.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on May 14, 2019, 03:53:28 PM
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on May 14, 2019, 11:18:14 AM
I discovered this blog last night - https://britishcomics.wordpress.com - which has a sod load of comics scans including the Eagle photostrip era which I'm somewhat overjoyed by, as I've been looking for the second and third Doomlord photo stories for years and years now. But there's an enormous amount of other gems too (2000AD, Oink, The Beano, Doctor Who Weekly, Look-In, Warrior) so if you're a fan of eighties (and sometimes earlier) UK comics it's definitely worth checking out.

It's a wonderful site. Grabbed a bunch of old Beezers, Toppers, Busters etc.
Shocked by how many Irish jokes there were in kids comics back in the day.

Great to explore the days of pocket money comics
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Glebe on May 14, 2019, 04:02:06 PM
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on May 14, 2019, 11:18:14 AMI discovered this blog last night - https://britishcomics.wordpress.com - which has a sod load of comics scans including the Eagle photostrip era which I'm somewhat overjoyed by, as I've been looking for the second and third Doomlord photo stories for years and years now. But there's an enormous amount of other gems too (2000AD, Oink, The Beano, Doctor Who Weekly, Look-In, Warrior) so if you're a fan of eighties (and sometimes earlier) UK comics it's definitely worth checking out.

Fair do's SMBH, another great link!
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on May 14, 2019, 07:30:18 PM
Quote from: Glebe on May 14, 2019, 04:02:06 PM
Fair do's SMBH, another great link!

I just keep on finding gem and gem on it, I so wish I'd found it years ago, and right now I'm downloading the first 50 odd issues of Viz!
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Glebe on May 14, 2019, 08:45:12 PM
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on May 14, 2019, 07:30:18 PMI just keep on finding gem and gem on it, I so wish I'd found it years ago, and right now I'm downloading the first 50 odd issues of Viz!

It's of particular interest to me right now, since the latest run of The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen takes particular inspiration from the classic comics era.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Phil_A on May 14, 2019, 10:09:35 PM
Ah I stumbled on that blog a couple of weeks ago, it's great. I managed to finally assemble a good quality set of scans of the Moore & Davies Captain Britain run.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on May 16, 2019, 11:54:46 AM
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on May 14, 2019, 11:18:14 AM
I discovered this blog last night - https://britishcomics.wordpress.com

Awww, man! This is awesome. Thanks, SMBH. I've been dabbling with buying copies of Krazy & Cheeky Comic for ages. Also the Marvel Team-Up section took me right back to being about 12 / 13 years old. I was obsessed with that comic.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: madhair60 on May 16, 2019, 12:12:24 PM
Proves what I've always known. Buster, in its dying years, was a visual feast.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on May 16, 2019, 02:31:37 PM
Quote from: madhair60 on May 16, 2019, 12:12:24 PM
Proves what I've always known. Buster, in its dying years, was a visual feast.

Genuinely or ironically?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: madhair60 on May 16, 2019, 02:36:29 PM
Quote from: kidsick5000 on May 16, 2019, 02:31:37 PM
Genuinely or ironically?

In my opinion, very genuinely. Lots of distinctive art styles, when Beano/Dandy were more homogenous than ever.

Also, Bumpkin Billionaires should have been a real sitcom.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: madhair60 on May 16, 2019, 02:37:50 PM
Tom Paterson doing gorgeous two-pagers for Captain Crucial/Watford Gapp, etc. Lew Stringer on Tom Thug/Vampire Brats. J. Edward Oliver on Cliff Hanger and Vid Kid. All joyous. Plus loads of Terry Bave, Sid Burgon new stuff and reprints. Love it mate.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on May 16, 2019, 02:42:35 PM
Quote from: madhair60 on May 16, 2019, 02:37:50 PM
Tom Paterson doing gorgeous two-pagers for Captain Crucial/Watford Gapp, etc. Lew Stringer on Tom Thug/Vampire Brats. J. Edward Oliver on Cliff Hanger and Vid Kid. All joyous. Plus loads of Terry Bave, Sid Burgon new stuff and reprints. Love it mate.

You have given me new purpose in life
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on May 20, 2019, 02:10:21 PM
Joe the Barbarian feels like Grant Morrison pulling a Mark Millar - ie. knocking out a Hollywood pitch in comic form without caring overmuch about how good it is. I felt the same way about Happy! but at least here there's rather more charm and a few great ideas and lines, even if lacks Morrison's usual frenetic conceptual craziness and thematic depth.

Joe is a young diabetic whose soldier dad has died in Afghanistan and whose mother is struggling to keep a roof over their heads. While home alone one stormy night, Joe lets his blood sugar fall too low and begins to lapse into a hallucinatory coma in which his house turns into a fantastical land populated by living toys and sinister monsters. It's Labyrinth meets Toy Story meets Home Alone, basically.

As he struggles to make it to the fridge where his life-saving cans of soda are, Joe imagines himself (or is it real? Ahhh) going on a quest to save the land from eternal darkness. Sean Murphy's gorgeous, intricate art is the real selling point here, but there are still some decent jokes and ideas too. It's crying out for Jane Goldman to come and rework it into a rollicking family film, mind you.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on May 21, 2019, 11:37:51 AM
Quote from: Mister Six on May 20, 2019, 02:10:21 PM
Joe the Barbarian feels like Grant Morrison pulling a Mark Millar - ie. knocking out a Hollywood pitch in comic form without caring overmuch about how good it is. I felt the same way about Happy! but at least here there's rather more charm and a few great ideas and lines, even if lacks Morrison's usual frenetic conceptual craziness and thematic depth.

Joe is a young diabetic whose soldier dad has died in Afghanistan and whose mother is struggling to keep a roof over their heads. While home alone one stormy night, Joe lets his blood sugar fall too low and begins to lapse into a hallucinatory coma in which his house turns into a fantastical land populated by living toys and sinister monsters. It's Labyrinth meets Toy Story meets Home Alone, basically.

As he struggles to make it to the fridge where his life-saving cans of soda are, Joe imagines himself (or is it real? Ahhh) going on a quest to save the land from eternal darkness. Sean Murphy's gorgeous, intricate art is the real selling point here, but there are still some decent jokes and ideas too. It's crying out for Jane Goldman to come and rework it into a rollicking family film, mind you.
Loved the artwork, but struggled with the story. Had some great ideas in it, however. So may give it another read. Agree that it would probably make a great film.

EDit - Does this sound like I'm just being a tit? Apologies if it does.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on May 21, 2019, 07:21:32 PM
Well you're agreeing with me so I hope not, otherwise that would make me a tit too!
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on May 22, 2019, 09:07:51 AM
True, dat.
Anyhoo, I re-read the first 2 issues last night, and coming at it from a Labyrinth kinda way really helped. I loved it, in fact.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on May 23, 2019, 02:46:34 PM
Quote from: Mister Six on May 20, 2019, 02:10:21 PM
Joe the Barbarian feels like Grant Morrison pulling a Mark Millar - ie. knocking out a Hollywood pitch in comic form without caring overmuch about how good it is.

I can't begrudge comic creators doing this. (Hopes I don't have said otherwise before)
When you look at things like the Marvel movies (and this is not saying anything about the craft and quality put into those) but if you create something genre changing/the accepted take on a character it must be galling in some way top only get a credit mention and possibly a ticket to the premiere.

So why not make your own IP and stick those ideas in a near-workable pitch.

I reckon there's going to be an issue with outlets for IPs soon. You might get a windfall payout, but who knows who'll get to watch it.
There's about to be a streaming battle that I don't think everyone will survive.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on May 23, 2019, 04:57:20 PM
On the other hand it's a bit galling to spend $15 on a miniseries in monthly installments only to find that it was shat out as a money-making long game.

I've got more patience for Morrison doing it than Millar, since the latter has basically turned his entire career into just that whereas Morrison still puts out quality, thoughtful work (and is talented enough that even Joe the Barbarian is charming and funny).
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Kelvin on May 23, 2019, 07:38:11 PM
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on May 10, 2019, 02:43:47 PM
The issue itself is fun, still let down by Ryan and Yaz being rubbish but otherwise it's a nice, low key but enjoyable story.

Well, they've only had 20 stories to work out what they're for. You can't expect miracles. 
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Monsieur Verdoux on May 23, 2019, 08:14:02 PM
Taken to reading the old Mad comics from issue #1, only on issue 3 so far and it's already pretty rewarding. Will probably have more to say when they really hit their stride
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on May 23, 2019, 08:23:23 PM
Quote from: Mister Six on May 23, 2019, 04:57:20 PM
On the other hand it's a bit galling to spend $15 on a miniseries in monthly installments only to find that it was shat out as a money-making long game.


Have there been many of the really bad ones though? I know Millar was guilty in the early days – Nemesis comes to mind where the last issue felt like an exposition dump of utter nonsense – but which are the most blatant?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on May 23, 2019, 08:32:42 PM
Quote from: kidsick5000 on May 23, 2019, 08:23:23 PM
Have there been many of the really bad ones though? I know Millar was guilty in the early days – Nemesis comes to mind where the last issue felt like an exposition dump of utter nonsense – but which are the most blatant?

Nemesis, Kick-Ass, Wanted, Kingsman, the one with the son of Satan (Chosen?) all spring to mind. All listless fluff that take a decent elevator pitch and spin it out to not much effect, probably with a bit of shock value (usually rape) to get the internet talking, all needing someone like Jane Goldman to come along and strip out the adolescent posturing, add some character and charm, and spin the straw into gold.

I mean, fuck it, it's working for him, but it's a bit grim.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on May 23, 2019, 10:52:45 PM
Wanted is an interesting case. Still the same shock tactics – this is also the same man who called his short-lived comic magazine CLINT in the hope of a bad typeface and unwitting kerning would spell something rude (*tee hee*) – but a much fuller story.
Yet he played chess with it. Let a knight be taken in order to get a higher standing in the game (and this was before Iron Man and Marvel were a big deal).
He gave it over to the studio and let them strip it of his story, keeping only a skeleton of reference.
But he played the game. Promo'd it on his website and forum. Defended the changes. Got his foot in.

I expect Netflix will be approaching a number of comics creators now. With Disney+ coming, they need some new draws to make up for the dearth of Marvel films
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: chveik on May 23, 2019, 11:11:00 PM
apparently there's going to be a Black Hammer tv series

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/13/movies/black-hammer-comic-book.html
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Monsieur Verdoux on June 03, 2019, 08:50:56 PM
been reading loads of Archie comics as light reading while i'm ill and they're charming, they kind of ran out of decent stories in the 70s though
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: madhair60 on June 03, 2019, 10:47:43 PM
Quote from: Monsieur Verdoux on June 03, 2019, 08:50:56 PM
been reading loads of Archie comics as light reading while i'm ill and they're charming, they kind of ran out of decent stories in the 70s though

those comics are so fucking weird. They're like The Beano but with constant nubile young women in swimsuits
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: madhair60 on June 04, 2019, 12:26:11 PM
Walking Dead #192 christ's sake
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Monsieur Verdoux on June 04, 2019, 03:45:27 PM
Quote from: madhair60 on June 03, 2019, 10:47:43 PM
those comics are so fucking weird. They're like The Beano but with constant nubile young women in swimsuits

oh yeah the artists are unbelievably pervy. women always sticking their chests out etc.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: madhair60 on June 05, 2019, 08:21:09 AM
its hot I like it

also i identify more with Jughead than any other fictional character, Jughead is absolutely based
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: studpuppet on June 05, 2019, 01:13:58 PM
Quote from: madhair60 on June 03, 2019, 10:47:43 PM
those comics are so fucking weird.

Try watching Riverdale on Netflix - one of my daughters watched it and it took me half of the first episode to realise, "Hey, I know these people!"
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Monsieur Verdoux on June 05, 2019, 01:46:54 PM
Jughead is an absolute king, just eating and not giving a fuck, god tier shit. much better than Archie who is just a stupid fucking cunt
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Hemulen on June 05, 2019, 02:33:20 PM
I really enjoyed Mark Waid's recent-ish Archie reboot (having never previously read any Archie whatsoever). Unlike Riverdale, it did a good job of transposing the characters into a vaguely 21st century world without losing the innocence and whimsy that I expect is a big part of the original's charm. Shame it only lasted 32 issues.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on June 05, 2019, 02:51:52 PM
Quote from: madhair60 on June 04, 2019, 12:26:11 PM
Walking Dead #192 christ's sake

I'll bite. Why? What's happened?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: madhair60 on June 05, 2019, 03:01:47 PM
Quote from: kidsick5000 on June 05, 2019, 02:51:52 PM
I'll bite. Why? What's happened?

Massive spoiler: Rick fucking dies
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on June 05, 2019, 03:18:34 PM
Quote from: Monsieur Verdoux on June 03, 2019, 08:50:56 PM
been reading loads of Archie comics as light reading while i'm ill and they're charming, they kind of ran out of decent stories in the 70s though

Archie comics have a lot of variety though. They traditional version is a constant big seller with numbers some Superhero titles will envy. Possibly, iirc because the comics are available more readily outside of the comic shops.
There seems to be a lighter touch and willingness to experiment editorially.
So now there are spin-offs with Archie as a werewolf, Zombie Archie, Vampironica, crossovers with Red Sonja and Vampirella (very weird).
The Netflix developments have only made them bigger.

Quote from: Monsieur Verdoux on June 04, 2019, 03:45:27 PM
oh yeah the artists are unbelievably pervy. women always sticking their chests out etc.

There's also that. See the Adam Hughes Betty And Veronica mini series.
And of course the Red Sonja and Vampirella spin-off.
Lot's of artists champing at the bit to draw pillow fights, cheerleader routines and impromptu dips in the creek
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on June 05, 2019, 03:23:11 PM
Quote from: madhair60 on June 05, 2019, 03:01:47 PM
Massive spoiler: Rick fucking dies

(https://media3.giphy.com/media/CkyV1ZWhU3oGI/giphy.gif?cid=790b76115cf7d032644c2f71673a0846&rid=giphy.gif)
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Monsieur Verdoux on June 05, 2019, 03:28:39 PM
Quote from: kidsick5000 on June 05, 2019, 03:18:34 PM
Archie comics have a lot of variety though. They traditional version is a constant big seller with numbers some Superhero titles will envy. Possibly, iirc because the comics are available more readily outside of the comic shops.
There seems to be a lighter touch and willingness to experiment editorially.
So now there are spin-offs with Archie as a werewolf, Zombie Archie, Vampironica, crossovers with Red Sonja and Vampirella (very weird).
The Netflix developments have only made them bigger.

yeah i've been going through a lot of them chronologically and they really ran out of steam in the 80s and 90s, really shit, except for the Love Showdown which was at least a bit novel, but there's a massive upswing in quality in about 2008-2009, and now as you say there's loads of variety in storytelling, art style, etc. seems to be a second peak period at the moment. actually shed a tear at bits of 'The Married Life', a fucking Archie comic made me shed a tear. fuck me
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Monsieur Verdoux on June 05, 2019, 03:34:49 PM
got a bundle on comixology that has 'Afterlife of Archie', 'Chilling Adventures of Sabrina', the 2015 reboot v1 and the comic based in the continuity of the Riverdale tv series (which I haven't seen). dipping into all tjhat shit and will report back
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Monsieur Verdoux on June 05, 2019, 03:47:23 PM
Quote from: kidsick5000 on June 05, 2019, 03:18:34 PM
There's also that. See the Adam Hughes Betty And Veronica mini series.
And of course the Red Sonja and Vampirella spin-off.
Lot's of artists champing at the bit to draw pillow fights, cheerleader routines and impromptu dips in the creek

of course you've got Dan DeCarlo, who established the house art style somewhat after it started, basically being a pin ups guy

LINKS ARE SOMEWHAT NSFW:

https://secureservercdn.net/ip-ac.mwp2.iad2.godaddy.com/4f8.02e.godaddywp.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Dan-Decarlo.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ef/58/a6/ef58a66bfc7f8a9ee299df44f62312e8.jpg
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on June 05, 2019, 04:24:21 PM
Quote from: madhair60 on June 04, 2019, 12:26:11 PM
Walking Dead #192 christ's sake

I've just read it and thought it was shit too. I've no issue with Rick dying, indeed I'd have been pissed off if he hadn't after being shot in the chest in the previous issue, but everything that followed it was a big pile of tedious crap. Carl's confrontation with the killer was laughably bad and considering Kirkman just killed off the lead character it felt ridiculously hollow and dull, even the reveal of Rick as a zombie was poorly handled and rushed. I really think this might be it for me, I've been hate reading it for ages now and see no point in continuing as it's clearly going to get worse and worse.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on June 05, 2019, 07:27:32 PM
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on June 05, 2019, 04:24:21 PM
I've just read it and thought it was shit too. I've no issue with Rick dying, indeed I'd have been pissed off if he hadn't after being shot in the chest in the previous issue, but everything that followed it was a big pile of tedious crap. Carl's confrontation with the killer was laughably bad and considering Kirkman just killed off the lead character it felt ridiculously hollow and dull, even the reveal of Rick as a zombie was poorly handled and rushed. I really think this might be it for me, I've been hate reading it for ages now and see no point in continuing as it's clearly going to get worse and worse.

I half admire Kirkman for doing it. And for making it so definite.
I wonder where his head is. Is he doing this to see if there are legs to the series post-Rick, or if sales plummet using it as an opportunity to wind up the series.?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: madhair60 on June 05, 2019, 07:44:13 PM
Quote from: Monsieur Verdoux on June 05, 2019, 03:34:49 PM
got a bundle on comixology that has 'Afterlife of Archie', 'Chilling Adventures of Sabrina', the 2015 reboot v1 and the comic based in the continuity of the Riverdale tv series (which I haven't seen). dipping into all tjhat shit and will report back

I enjoy the fuck out of Archie comics tbh
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: madhair60 on June 05, 2019, 07:44:58 PM
Oh and Married Life is an outright good soap opera comic
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on June 06, 2019, 11:27:06 AM
Quote from: kidsick5000 on June 05, 2019, 07:27:32 PM
I half admire Kirkman for doing it. And for making it so definite.
I wonder where his head is. Is he doing this to see if there are legs to the series post-Rick, or if sales plummet using it as an opportunity to wind up the series.?

From interviews I've read in the past it seems to be the latter, he's talked about hoping it'll run for 300 issues. And I like the fact that he did it, I just wish the aftermath had been more interesting / less absolutely rubbish.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on June 06, 2019, 02:29:09 PM
As research for a... thing that I might post about in here at some point down the line, I've been inflicting the post-Hellblazer, DC-universe John Constantine series on myself. So I thought I should do some good with my suffering and moan about it on here, so you never make the same mistake.

Constantine is ninety-nine-point-nine-percent dog chods. There are a couple of great ideas in the early issues (my favourite being the giant demon with a detachable head who traps you in a pocket dimension from which the only escape is a hole in his neck), but mostly it's the kind of shit that makes Garth Ennis relentlessly mock superhero stories. Constantine fights people with a magic sword, for fuck's sake - mostly Sargon the Sorcerer's daughter (I can't remember if she has a name, she seems only to be referred to as "Sargon the Sorcerer's daughter"), Mr. E (now talking like Foghorn Leghorn) and someone else so boring I can't remember his name.

Past the first few issues (which have Jeff Lemire as co-writer; after that it's Ray Fawkes going solo), each issue seems to have just a single plot development that the characters inch towards, and not much else going on. The USP seems to be "Constantine meets superheroes", but of course that means he becomes just another superhero himself, and while Hellblazer proper would have - y'know - characters and conversations and jokes and regular people interacting with the weirdness, this just has page after page of glowing shit flying about as wizards wave their hands at each other. Stuff like this, basically:

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/shazam/images/b/bd/Constantine_Vol_1-5_Cover-1.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130722150409)

There's one good issue in which John drives across a Darkseid-wracked parallel Earth, but that means Constantine can drive now. 0/10

After that comic was cancelled, a reboot - Constantine: The Hellblazer was commissioned, with a younger, hipper and - wait for it - bisexual Constantine in play. Ooooh! The bisexuality thing was a really minor point in the original Hellblazer run, but got blown up into A Big Deal by various blogs all feeding off each other around the time of the Constantine movie, and I get the feeling that the writers for this run were more familiar with the blog posts than the original comic. In the very first scene, John callously rips off a working-class shopgirl, knowing she'll probably be fired while the ghost of Gary Lester (a junkie thief who killed a child for his own selfish ends in the original comic) tries to be his conscience. You got that the exact wrong way round, guys. Still though. Bisexuals - and A Black, too. Woke!

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-vJjcAWRvL8w/WoWfQr7K_0I/AAAAAAAAB8s/vECNKe4W7zYBMatrmj3Ad5ayZec-icrBwCLcBGAs/s1600/constantinetwo1.jpg)

Despite the fucked characterisation - and the arc in issues 2-5 being terrible - it's actually a really, really good comic. The writers have a fantastic grasp of the language of comics, it's brimming with wit and invention, and the jokes are genuinely funny. It's unlike so much of the mainstream DC stuff I've read because it's actually written with enthusiasm by a team with an artistic vision, rather than coming across as a hackjob someone knocked out on their way to the Batman strip they really want to do. Riley Rossmo's art is fantastic too, and even though it was cancelled at 24 issues it ends conclusively and relatively satisfyingly. Pretend it's not Hellblazer (not difficult), but instead some kind of Angel spin-off and you'll have a good time. 8/10

The Hellblazer (really running out of titles here, lads) was the third reboot, and an attempt to revisit what made the original series work: dark fantasy and horror stories, a British writer, set in London, with a marginally more down-to-Earth tone. Simon Oliver's opening 12-issue arc has really, really great dialogue: funny, naturalistic enough to convince but writerly enough to entertain, shot through with British slang without sounding contrived or hokey.

Which is a good thing, because that's about all there is to recommend this. The plot, such as it is, itself takes a long fucking time to go nowhere at all; the first couple of issues are a tangle of what I assume are subplots and crossovers from other comics of the time (Swamp Thing is looking for Abby, who is now an avatar of The Rot - kind of like the Green, but grosser - but we never see her and that subplot is pretty much forgotten about), the next few reintroduce lots of classic Hellblazer characters (Mercury, Marj, Map, Clarice, Albert) but written so poorly they're unrecognisable), and the ones after that take a diversion to Paris to meet a supporting cast that we'll never, ever see again. The story just stops with issue 12, which I assume is the point that Oliver got his marching orders. Constantine gets separated from the entire cast, who go to resolve the plot off-panel, and slopes off back to London. And the art's mostly bland shit. Somehow feels like an even bigger waste of Time than Constantine, even though it's objectively better written in terms of characterisation and dialogue. Some quite fun covers though. 1/10

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/hellblazer/images/0/03/Hell5.jpg)

And then there's the other half of this run, written by American Tim Seely, which is tons better than what came before but still weirdly dispensible. The three arcs here have fantastic conceits (Norse dwarves who have a drink that lets them rewrite reality; a xenophobic US Buddhist cult sending those they hate to Nirvana so they can claim the Earth; Cockney gangsters trying to bring back their kin from Hell; a vampire who's squeaminsh about biting people so attacks them with a hypodermic needle) but they all feel thinly spread, with bland characters and yarns that just sort of peter out. Constantine acts like a cunt all the time too, which is annoying (but par for the course in the DC universe). Oh, and Huntress, Batman's mate, turns up at the end for some reason. 5/10

So there you go: read Constantine: The Hellblazer (just grit your teeth through the early issues) and fuck off the rest. You're welcome.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Monsieur Verdoux on June 06, 2019, 04:06:43 PM
Quote from: Mister Six on June 06, 2019, 02:29:09 PM
Sargon the Sorcerer

love the issue of Constantine where he defeats Sargon by debating him in a 3 hour youtube livestream
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on June 06, 2019, 04:49:13 PM
Quote from: Mister Six on June 06, 2019, 02:29:09 PM
As research for a... thing that I might post about in here at some point down the line, I've been inflicting the post-Hellblazer, DC-universe John Constantine series on myself. So I thought I should do some good with my suffering and moan about it on here, so you never make the same mistake....

That was a really interesting read, thanks for that Mister Six. I had read some of the post Hellblazer John Constantine comics but only a few as they were so bad, and everything that you said their suggests I'm not missing out on anything in the slightest.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on June 06, 2019, 08:28:37 PM
I honestly would recommend the Constantine: The Hellblazer series (authors are Ming Doyle and James Tynion IV) as a very breezy read - just not Hellblazer.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: madhair60 on June 06, 2019, 11:25:03 PM
I liked it by Garth Ennis
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: chveik on June 06, 2019, 11:28:19 PM
Quote from: madhair60 on June 05, 2019, 07:44:58 PM
Oh and Married Life is an outright good soap opera comic

I would add The Essential Dykes to Watch Out For, by Alison Bechdel
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on June 07, 2019, 01:56:23 AM
Quote from: madhair60 on June 06, 2019, 11:25:03 PM
I liked it by Garth Ennis

Hellblazer is gold (more or less) from #1-143. Then Brian Azzarello comes on and it gets a bit wonky. Then there's a little renaissance from Mike Carey (issues 175-215) and then you can pretty much sack it off from there (maybe dipping in for issue 229 which is a brief fill-in by Mike Carey, and 250 which has a really great short story by China Mieville).
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on June 07, 2019, 01:13:32 PM
Quote from: Mister Six on June 07, 2019, 01:56:23 AM
Hellblazer is gold (more or less) from #1-143. Then Brian Azzarello comes on and it gets a bit wonky. Then there's a little renaissance from Mike Carey (issues 175-215) and then you can pretty much sack it off from there (maybe dipping in for issue 229 which is a brief fill-in by Mike Carey, and 250 which has a really great short story by China Mieville).
I'm just about to start from issue 1, which I've already read and loved, and complete up to Azzarello. I've heard elsewhere that that's when it dies. But I'll have a look at the Mieville issue.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on June 07, 2019, 01:30:44 PM
I like the Milligan run that sees it through to the end, it's not as good as Hellblazer at it's best and some of the decisions he made were a little dodgy but overall I think it's fun. At the very least it's worth reading the final issue as I think it worked effectively.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: madhair60 on June 07, 2019, 01:50:03 PM
Quote from: chveik on June 06, 2019, 11:28:19 PM
I would add The Essential Dykes to Watch Out For, by Alison Bechdel

I've been meaning to buy this for ages. I love comics like that, or that Chester Brown/Seth/Joe Matt lot.

Oh by the way I have to "brag", nabbed an immaculate copy of Building Stories from the Mind shop for £4 last weekend.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on June 07, 2019, 02:05:12 PM
Quote from: Artie Fufkin on June 07, 2019, 01:13:32 PM
I'm just about to start from issue 1, which I've already read and loved, and complete up to Azzarello. I've heard elsewhere that that's when it dies. But I'll have a look at the Mieville issue.

Azzarello doesn't quite get John and his final arc is naff, but his run is worth persisting through for some career-best work from artist Marcelo Frusin and a few very effective stories (Freezes Over and Highwater being the highlights).

Mike Carey comes on immediately after and totally reinvigorates the comic. I'd say his is the last true classic run and definitely worth reading. You could skip right to him, but I think there's enough gold in the Azzarello run to make it worth sticking with (though maybe get the books from a library rather than paying for them).
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: chveik on June 07, 2019, 08:30:58 PM
Quote from: madhair60 on June 07, 2019, 01:50:03 PM
I've been meaning to buy this for ages. I love comics like that, or that Chester Brown/Seth/Joe Matt lot.

yeah love those too.

discovered a couple of similar comics recently, if you're interested:

- Dirty Plotte (Julie Doucet)
- Schizo (Ivan Brunetti) some of his strips remind me a bit of your own work
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: madhair60 on June 08, 2019, 10:15:16 PM
Quote from: chveik on June 07, 2019, 08:30:58 PM
some of his strips remind me a bit of your own work

Always a thrill when people compare me to real comic book creators. x
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on June 19, 2019, 03:48:58 AM
Fuck me, Fury: My War Gone By is two volumes of concentrated grimness, but never less than compelling. Ennis takes the seemingly immortal - or at least very slowly ageing - super-soldier and does something that, in retrospect, is blindingly obvious: shows us his involvement in the great (and terrible) wars of the latter half of the 20th century: Vietnam (1950s), Cuba (1960s), Vietnam again (1970s) and Nicaragua (1980s). It starts off as a slightly cynical gung-ho war comic and develops into a damning indictment of American foreign policy and the corruption created by the military-industrial complex, with a real fucking gut-punch of a finale. Frank Castle and Barracuda show up in a couple of storylines, though not together, and while the former doesn't get much to do, the latter is put to better use than he was in Punisher MAX, I reckon.

Brilliant, brilliant stuff. Anyone with an interest in espionage or war stories, or Ennis' harder stuff, should absolutely pick it up. Fab work from Croatian art hero Goran Parlov, too.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on June 19, 2019, 09:40:04 AM
^ Thanks for this, Mr Six ^
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on June 20, 2019, 03:35:56 AM
No worries - hope you enjoy it. There's a bit in one of the later issues involving something seen through night vision goggles that is one of my favourite bits of dialogue-free storytelling, I think. Not flashy at all, maybe not even a stand-out to anyone else, but absolutely gets across everything it needs to in about four panels.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on June 22, 2019, 08:49:17 AM
Quote from: Mister Six on June 19, 2019, 03:48:58 AM
Fuck me, Fury: My War Gone By is two volumes of concentrated grimness, but never less than compelling. Ennis takes the seemingly immortal - or at least very slowly ageing - super-soldier and does something that, in retrospect, is blindingly obvious: shows us his involvement in the great (and terrible) wars of the latter half of the 20th century: Vietnam (1950s), Cuba (1960s), Vietnam again (1970s) and Nicaragua (1980s). It starts off as a slightly cynical gung-ho war comic and develops into a damning indictment of American foreign policy and the corruption created by the military-industrial complex, with a real fucking gut-punch of a finale. Frank Castle and Barracuda show up in a couple of storylines, though not together, and while the former doesn't get much to do, the latter is put to better use than he was in Punisher MAX, I reckon.

Brilliant, brilliant stuff. Anyone with an interest in espionage or war stories, or Ennis' harder stuff, should absolutely pick it up. Fab work from Croatian art hero Goran Parlov, too.

I'll have to try this. Though I wasn't a fan of Ennis' MAX take on Fury - where he's burnt out and looking after his nephew. But let's give it a go
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on June 22, 2019, 09:10:00 AM
I know this is poor form, but I'm desperately looking for an old comic strip.
Does anyone know where you can download old issues of Deadline?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Phil_A on June 22, 2019, 12:20:31 PM
Very few Deadline scans floating around for some reason, I've only ever been able to grab a handful of them. What strip was it specifically?

I'm hoping the British Comics blog guy will eventually start uploading them, he's got Deadline on his list of future uploads so it will happen at some point.

https://britishcomics.wordpress.com/2015/03/24/comics-list/
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on June 22, 2019, 07:41:34 PM
Santa Versus Dracula - I thought this might be a bit gimmicky, with the writer coming up with a great title but not delivering, but it's actually really fun stuff, the characters have depth and though the art's a bit cartoony I thought it suited it well.

Batman 73 - Eh, a bit fillerish, and what could have been told in about 10 pages was spread out to an entire issue. Apparently King's now leaving the title with issue 85 instead of 100 so I hope it up's the pace and finishes the story he wanted to tell.

Immortal Hulk 19 - I loved this at first but didn't get on with the Hulk in hell arc, but now it's back on form and I love what they've done with Betty, I'm still amazed that Marvel publish such a weird comic but apparently it's a big seller so it's set to continue for a good while which pleases.

Elvira - Another comic I thought might be gimmicky, but this is quite good too, it's nothing amazing but it's got a cute sense of humour and the plot's daft fun.

Superman: Year One - Fucking awful, and just an embarrassment in general.

And here's a long arse review of the GLOW comic based on the Netflix series that I wrote for my site:

There are many tv shows which have had a comics spin off while on the air or after they've been cancelled, from the likes of Buffy to Doctor Who, Battlestar Galactica to Firefly, but most of them are sci-fi or fantasy genre pieces and it's rare that either a comedy or drama has ended in comics form. There are exceptions of course, some mad man thought people would want to buy a Saved By The Bell comic back in the nineties, but they tend to be few and far apart so I was quite surprised when I saw that IDW Publishing had put out a comic based on the popular Netflix show GLOW.

If you've not seen the series it's based on the Glamorous Ladies Of Wrestling, a tv series made in the eighties which showcased a selection of talented women and their wrestling abilities, though most of it is actually about what goes on behind the scenes and the relationships they have with each other and their mostly okay but occasionally shitty bosses Sam and Bash. Starring Allison Brie, Betty Gilpin, Sydelle Noel, Britney Young and Marc Maron it's been an enjoyable affair, it's not the most innovative of shows but the characters have depth and it's smartly written.

The comic it's based on isn't the disaster that I thought it might be too. The story line is a fairly involving one where the women are overjoyed at the prospect of an entire weekend off for the first time in an age and start planning what they want to do, only for Sam to quash their plans as he's booked them in to perform at a wrestling convention. Once they arrive they discover that there's another female wrestling team who they have to work with, and said wrestlers aren't impressed by the GLOW stars, considering them not to be real wrestlers in the slightest.

Written by Tini Howard with art by Hannah Templer, the art is a bit too simplistic and cartoonish for my tastes though at least you can recognise all of the individual characters which doesn't always apply with comics' adaptations (*glares at some of the artists who have taken on Buffy over the years*). Of course this kind of thing wouldn't suit anything too realistic and artists like Simon Bisley or Rob Liefield might have sucked the fun out of it, but someone like Adam Hughes or Kevin Maguire who have a real knack for capturing quirky facial expressions would have been better. As it is it's not the end of the world though and Templer captures the physicality of the wrestling effectively at least.

On the writing side of things I've less complaints and Tini Howard does a decent job at capturing the individual characteristics of the cast. So Ruth is as optimistic and perky as ever, Betty's slightly reluctant but always ready to up her game, while Carmen is excitable but then has concerns as to how her family might react to her performing at a real wrestling convention rather than on tv. Her portrayal of Sam is strong too, he's still curmudgeonly but shows occasionally glimpses of kindness, and when it comes to Sheila, well, she's still slightly odd but without it ever feeling cliched or lazy. Out of the rest only Cherry gets a raw deal and is used for cheap laughs, but as she's kind of out of it on painkillers after a dental procedure I'll let it slide just this once.

There's a good few amusing moments during these two issues, from Ruth and Betty's play fighting in character to raise money for the journey to Rhonda's desperate attempts to win a quiz, and Melanie's attempted seduction of a British wrestler raised a smile, even if the latter character's dialogue is a pretty cliched version of how the English speak. But on the downside it's an extremely flimsy read, there's none of the slightly more complex elements of the tv series in the comic, Ruth and Betty's relationship isn't explored in anywhere close to the depth of the show and bar Carmen's subplot there isn't a dramatic edge to it at all, which is a shame as that's one of the best parts of the tv series.

I'd be surprised if it appealed to anyone who hasn't watched the tv show and unsurprisingly sales figures for the first issue weren't that high (it was the 192nd best selling comic for March, which obviously isn't good) so I don't know how long it will continue for. And even fans of the series might go away disappointed, at least if they're looking for something which really replicates how good the show is, but if you're in the mood for something fun and breezy featuring characters that you're fond of, that could have been a real mess but which at least manages to successfully capture some of the feel of the tv show, then it's something you might want to check out at least once.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Monsieur Verdoux on June 22, 2019, 07:44:59 PM
(psst, SMBH, does the Glow comic have any nudity, asking for a very unwoke friend who I definitely don't approve of)
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on June 22, 2019, 07:51:11 PM
Heh, you can tell your disgusting friend that no, no it does not. And even if it did the art's so cartoony I can't imagine him finding it erotic.

(https://i.ibb.co/mN94QyY/glow2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wcS4DQb)
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Monsieur Verdoux on June 22, 2019, 07:53:29 PM
Ta SMBH, my friend will probably get the comics anyway, as he loves the various personalities in the show
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on June 22, 2019, 08:25:02 PM
I was quite surprised how much I liked it, as I said in the review it's not as good as the show but it's not the disaster it could've been. And if your friend is a dirty rotten thief like me he can read it here for free: https://readcomiconline.to/
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on June 22, 2019, 10:13:44 PM
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on June 22, 2019, 07:41:34 PM

Superman: Year One - Fucking awful, and just an embarrassment in general.

I've yet to read it. But I'm amazed that Frank Miller keeps getting DC gigs.
He's an early example for me of "Oh no, he actually meant it". One of those who lost it after 9/11, we should never forget Holy Terror, his pitch for Batman versus the terrorists.
Then there's the unfinished All-Star Batman and Robin
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on June 23, 2019, 03:36:02 AM
Quote from: kidsick5000 on June 22, 2019, 10:13:44 PM
I've yet to read it. But I'm amazed that Frank Miller keeps getting DC gigs.
He's an early example for me of "Oh no, he actually meant it". One of those who lost it after 9/11, we should never forget Holy Terror, his pitch for Batman versus the terrorists.
Then there's the unfinished All-Star Batman and Robin

Did he never even finish that? Christ's sake.

Just finished Garth Ennis and Darick Robertson's The Boys, ahead of its Amazon Prime debut. I remember dropping it around issue seven when it first came out, because it seemed to be witless WURR HE'S DOIN HER UP THE BUM!!! puerile shite rather than the Hitman-style irreverent fun I'd hoped for. And yep, those early issues are pretty bad. But it's turned out to be a reverse Preacher: whereas that comic had a storming beginning then sort of flailed about and lost its grip by the end, The Boys starts out weak and develops into a fantastic series with a perfect conclusion. The last 25-ish issues might be among my favourite Ennis stuff, actually.

The pitch is essentially "CIA hard bastards kick seven shades of shit out of self-absorbed superheroes", but it ends up being substantially deeper and more complex than that, with some fun alternate history stuff, a scathing indictment of corporate greed, some quality espionage fun and a couple of really fantastic plot developments towards the end. Oh, and Ennis's usual peerless character work, with some lovely little human moments in among the big whizz-bang explosions, severed heads and dismembered babies. Very surprised - and delighted - that I liked it as much as I did, but here we are.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on June 23, 2019, 03:40:49 AM
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on June 05, 2019, 04:24:21 PM
I've just read it and thought it was shit too. I've no issue with Rick dying, indeed I'd have been pissed off if he hadn't after being shot in the chest in the previous issue, but everything that followed it was a big pile of tedious crap. Carl's confrontation with the killer was laughably bad and considering Kirkman just killed off the lead character it felt ridiculously hollow and dull, even the reveal of Rick as a zombie was poorly handled and rushed. I really think this might be it for me, I've been hate reading it for ages now and see no point in continuing as it's clearly going to get worse and worse.

I read this issue out of mild interest (I think I dropped WD after the Governor/Michonne torture-porn issue, whenever that was) and yeah I'm surprised at how shite it was. I mean, Rick's shot on one page, then on the next his killer has been caught. Then the killer's in jail and Carl has a bit of a rant at him. Feels like that was a couple of issues of tension and drama boiled down to a very perfunctory couple of scenes because... why? I suppose Kirkman's got some hard target he wants to hit, but god knows what it is, or why. I like that it didn't happen in some Big Important Anniversary Issue, though. Very random numbering.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on June 23, 2019, 03:48:55 AM
Quote from: kidsick5000 on June 22, 2019, 09:10:00 AM
I know this is poor form, but I'm desperately looking for an old comic strip.
Does anyone know where you can download old issues of Deadline?

Issues 1-6, 10-11, 16-17 , 21 , 24, 60 are on the 32pages torrent site, do you know if it happens to be in any of them?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on June 23, 2019, 05:29:17 PM
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on June 23, 2019, 03:48:55 AM
Issues 1-6, 10-11, 16-17 , 21 , 24, 60 are on the 32pages torrent site, do you know if it happens to be in any of them?

It's in the 'difficult' later run. Jonathan E's Pop Star related strips which are never catalogued as they were just strips at the bottom of the page.
An aside, Do check out Jonathan Edwards' art. He is a phenomenal illustrator with a stunning intricate style.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on June 24, 2019, 04:25:40 PM
Quote from: kidsick5000 on June 23, 2019, 05:29:17 PM
It's in the 'difficult' later run. Jonathan E's Pop Star related strips which are never catalogued as they were just strips at the bottom of the page.
An aside, Do check out Jonathan Edwards' art. He is a phenomenal illustrator with a stunning intricate style.

Ah, they don't seem to be part of that pack, but I'll keep an eye out to see if any more are added.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Spiteface on June 24, 2019, 08:06:51 PM
Purely on a whim, decided to get book one of Alan Moore's Saga of the Swamp Thing off Comixology. Subsequently got Book two. Enjoying the change of pace from Batman/Walking Dead/Power Rangers, if I'm honest.

Also finally opened the 35th Anniversary Akira boxset (hardbacks of all 6 volumes and an artbook) I got for a good price off Amazon. The anime was a big deal for me after seeing it on BBC2 in the 90s, so I have finally taken the plunge on it, bloody heavy things to read. Early days so far.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: magval on June 24, 2019, 09:26:55 PM
Those books are class, I never got the hardback set as the right-to-left puts me off, but it's a gorgeous box. Glad you're enjoying Swamp Thing too, great read.

I used to have that broadcast of Akira taped, but it's lost to time. It was interesting because it subtitled some of the place names (like the bar right at the start) that most of the subsequent VHS, DVD and BD releases didn't.

Imagine BBC showing Akira, now like.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on June 25, 2019, 08:15:02 PM
Quote from: kidsick5000 on June 22, 2019, 10:13:44 PM
I've yet to read it. But I'm amazed that Frank Miller keeps getting DC gigs.
He's an early example for me of "Oh no, he actually meant it". One of those who lost it after 9/11, we should never forget Holy Terror, his pitch for Batman versus the terrorists.
Then there's the unfinished All-Star Batman and Robin

I've no idea why they work with him either, especially given how shitty his reputation is, but I guess his work still sells well despite being truly horrible.

Quote from: Mister Six on June 23, 2019, 03:36:02 AM
Did he never even finish that? Christ's sake.

Just finished Garth Ennis and Darick Robertson's The Boys, ahead of its Amazon Prime debut. I remember dropping it around issue seven when it first came out, because it seemed to be witless WURR HE'S DOIN HER UP THE BUM!!! puerile shite rather than the Hitman-style irreverent fun I'd hoped for. And yep, those early issues are pretty bad. But it's turned out to be a reverse Preacher: whereas that comic had a storming beginning then sort of flailed about and lost its grip by the end, The Boys starts out weak and develops into a fantastic series with a perfect conclusion. The last 25-ish issues might be among my favourite Ennis stuff, actually.

The pitch is essentially "CIA hard bastards kick seven shades of shit out of self-absorbed superheroes", but it ends up being substantially deeper and more complex than that, with some fun alternate history stuff, a scathing indictment of corporate greed, some quality espionage fun and a couple of really fantastic plot developments towards the end. Oh, and Ennis's usual peerless character work, with some lovely little human moments in among the big whizz-bang explosions, severed heads and dismembered babies. Very surprised - and delighted - that I liked it as much as I did, but here we are.

I liked it as well, but like you struggled with the early issues and almost gave up on it, I'm glad I didn't though as it really did end in a fascinating manner and was a lot more than an attack on superhero popularity in the end.

Quote from: Mister Six on June 23, 2019, 03:40:49 AM
I read this issue out of mild interest (I think I dropped WD after the Governor/Michonne torture-porn issue, whenever that was) and yeah I'm surprised at how shite it was. I mean, Rick's shot on one page, then on the next his killer has been caught. Then the killer's in jail and Carl has a bit of a rant at him. Feels like that was a couple of issues of tension and drama boiled down to a very perfunctory couple of scenes because... why? I suppose Kirkman's got some hard target he wants to hit, but god knows what it is, or why. I like that it didn't happen in some Big Important Anniversary Issue, though. Very random numbering.

They did feature the shooting at the end of the previous issue but at that point it was vaguely plausible he could survive. I agree with you about how quickly everything was wrapped up being disappointing though, Kirkman could have created an interesting storyline as tensions grew in the city as everyone desperately tried to find out who killed Rick, but instead it was just a bland bit of storytelling that failed to capture the enormity of the event.

Edit: Just noticed this AV Club article about the best comics of 2019 so far - https://aux.avclub.com/the-best-comics-of-2019-so-far-1835734722 - I've only read a few but there does seem to be some great recommendations in it.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Monsieur Verdoux on June 27, 2019, 12:25:24 AM
Finished the Jodorowsky/Moebius L'Incal, the final couple of dozen pages truly have some of the most breathtaking art I've ever seen
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: BRen on July 01, 2019, 01:14:33 PM
I used to collect and read comics a lot many years back, sort of went on the back-burner and forgot about them for ages but got back into them recently, I think the influx of comic book films actually soured me on them because I can't be arsed nor have any interest in any of the big Marvel and DC Universe type stuff.

On another note, shot in the dark here but has anyone got a copy spare (or one they want to sell) of Batman - Damned #1? Got the second and third installments but the first seems to be selling for silly money on eBay and the like at the moment.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: samadriel on July 01, 2019, 02:51:50 PM
New Megg & Mogg book, "Bad Gateway" is out. I haven't read it yet, I'm way behind on Hanselmann's stuff, but Fantagraphics are selling it as being a "magnum opus".
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: chveik on July 01, 2019, 03:12:58 PM
wonderful news!
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on July 02, 2019, 03:45:04 PM
Not something I've read, but possibly something I will read despite myself: The Walking Dead to end with issue 193 (https://www.newsarama.com/45841-the-walking-dead-193-spoilers.html).

Both explains the rush job of issue 192 and makes it even less explicable. Why not play that out a bit and end with a nice round 200? Why is this final issue coming as such a surprise in the solicitations?

Makes me wonder whether he's heard behind the scenes that the Walking Dead show is getting the chop, and is taking that as a cue to quit a comic he's just exhausted by. Total speculation, of course.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: madhair60 on July 02, 2019, 06:38:14 PM
It's ending there to tie up the Compendiums at the fourth volume I assume
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on July 02, 2019, 06:55:32 PM
Quote from: Mister Six on July 02, 2019, 03:45:04 PM
Not something I've read, but possibly something I will read despite myself: The Walking Dead to end with issue 193 (https://www.newsarama.com/45841-the-walking-dead-193-spoilers.html).

Both explains the rush job of issue 192 and makes it even less explicable. Why not play that out a bit and end with a nice round 200? Why is this final issue coming as such a surprise in the solicitations?

Makes me wonder whether he's heard behind the scenes that the Walking Dead show is getting the chop, and is taking that as a cue to quit a comic he's just exhausted by. Total speculation, of course.

That's really weird as he's spoken about wanting it to run for at least 300 issues in the recent past, sales are still fairly decent too, so I wonder if something else is going on behind the scenes.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on July 03, 2019, 01:03:00 AM
And the award for most connotations and inferences in one statement goes to:

"I'm upset, too. I'm going to miss it as much as you will, if not more so. It breaks my heart that I had to end it. and we have to move on but I just love this world too much to stretch things out until it doesn't live up to what I want it to be," reads a purported partial statement from Kirkman.

"I hope you understand. I hope you. dear reader, know how much I appreciate the gift you have given me. I got to tell my story exactly how I wanted to, for 193 issues, and end it on my terms, with no interference at all along the way... at any point. That's such a rare thing, and it doesn't exist without the unyielding support this series got from readers like you. Thank you so much."

It sounds like trouble behind the scenes.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on July 03, 2019, 06:12:18 AM
Weird. Will be interesting when this comes out. Since Image is a bit like a slightly more complex vanity press, it would be odd for them to get too hands-on with a comic like this, wouldn't it? Especially one that's been such a massive success.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on July 03, 2019, 09:54:59 AM
Quote from: Mister Six on July 03, 2019, 06:12:18 AM
Weird. Will be interesting when this comes out. Since Image is a bit like a slightly more complex vanity press, it would be odd for them to get too hands-on with a comic like this, wouldn't it? Especially one that's been such a massive success.

Yeah, from what I've heard about Image, it doesn't scan that they'd be looking to interfere.
Next guess would be AMC/the TV show but why, who knows. Possibly looking to expand the product, against Kirkman's wishes if need be?

Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on July 03, 2019, 01:02:45 PM
The comic is creator-owned, though, so I don't see how they could do that unless the contract he signed for the show was completely fucking deranged.

I also don't see how shutting down the comic would in any way preclude them from "expanding the product" any way they chose, if he signed away the rights in some mad lapse of judgement.

It's a puzzler, all right.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on July 03, 2019, 02:49:27 PM
Well I've read it, and unsurprisingly it's just a bit naff. Spoilers: It's another time jump thing where Carl is all grown up and married to Sophia, and has a daughter called Andrea. They're all living in a huge safe zone where the kids have never seen a zombie in the wild, though Maggie's twatty son Hershel keeps them as a freak show, until one gets free and Carl kills it and then the rest of them. He buggers off for a bit to avoid being arrested and visits a bunch of surviving characters, then returns home and there's an informal hearing presided over by Judge Michonne, who lets him go free as she hates the idea of zombies being kept as pets. Then Carl goes home and reads a bedtime story to Andrea about how fucking great Rick was. The end.

I mean it could have been worse I suppose, but it just felt like it was repeatedly hammering home the message that Rick, and Rick alone, was responsible for everyone having amazing lives nowadays, which was all rather tedious.

I was originally going to quit reading this after issue 100, but as I was then able to read it for free I carried on doing so and pretty much regret such a thing. I was going to quit once again after last issue but when I heard there was only one more to read I caved in once more, and the only thing I really feel is that I'm so glad it's over and I can finally stop torturing myself.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: BeardFaceMan on July 03, 2019, 02:58:32 PM
I had the same feelings as you, pretty much, though I managed to bail at around 140, I think. It was around the time I read the first Walking Dead novel and that was utter dogshit, horribly written with an appalling twist, that's when I lost all faith in Kirkman as a competent writer who had any fresh ideas left for the series. Hate-reading is not something I usually do but I'm going to have to read those last 2 issues.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: madhair60 on July 03, 2019, 04:35:19 PM
I thought it was the best issue in years and a great finale tbh.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on July 03, 2019, 04:41:44 PM
Quote from: madhair60 on July 03, 2019, 04:35:19 PM
I thought it was the best issue in years and a great finale tbh.

Well I've just checked and I'm afraid you're wrong.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on July 03, 2019, 04:43:37 PM
In all seriousness it's not a terrible issue I suppose, it shows us what happened to most of the characters and offers up a great deal of hope for their future, I just didn't like how much of it was all about how Rick Grimes was a God who single handedly saved the world, sure he did a lot but the comic suggests there were large chunks of America that did just fine without him. Plus I wanted Carl to die painfully, but that is just because of my unhealthy hatred of children, admittedly.

Quote from: BeardFaceMan on July 03, 2019, 02:58:32 PM
I had the same feelings as you, pretty much, though I managed to bail at around 140, I think. It was around the time I read the first Walking Dead novel and that was utter dogshit, horribly written with an appalling twist, that's when I lost all faith in Kirkman as a competent writer who had any fresh ideas left for the series. Hate-reading is not something I usually do but I'm going to have to read those last 2 issues.

I wish I had. It's weird, I've never hate read a comic before, and it's something I have no interest in doing again, but for some reason I kept on going back to it even though pretty much every issue annoyed me a great deal. At least I've quit the tv show, so with this final issue that it's for me and The Walking Dead universe.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on July 03, 2019, 05:50:59 PM
Quote from: kidsick5000 on July 03, 2019, 09:54:59 AM
Yeah, from what I've heard about Image, it doesn't scan that they'd be looking to interfere.
Next guess would be AMC/the TV show but why, who knows. Possibly looking to expand the product, against Kirkman's wishes if need be?

Well, conspiracy theory corner can stand down.
Reading his message at the back of the comic in full, it's all proof his plan has been in effect for some time.
And it's a lovely issue.
I especially like that it leaves with a bite.
Hershel's side-Show does have a use after all, because everyone is getting too complacent. And that quite a few people resent Rick's perceived saintliness
It's the ending of a man in middle age. He does reveal the ending he would have unleashed much earlier and it's very different. The ending of someone who's listening to quite doomy music
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Pinckle Wicker on July 04, 2019, 12:39:05 AM
Not sure what to say about #193 yet but intitial feeling is thatnof underwhelment.  I have religiously read this comic from the outset up until the last two years where I have become quite complacent about the storyline. I have always hoped that it would get back on track but not to be. Yep, the last comic was okay but it did go full GOT and try and wrap it all up to quick. In fact the more I think about it I feel a bit Dad that I have read those for the best part of 16 years and we get mugged of in one comic. A bit like GOT really innit. A sign of things to come I bet?


Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Custard on July 04, 2019, 02:51:03 PM
I thought it was a decent last issue, but yeah it's high time the book ended as it's been donkey dick for years.

I think the last time I properly enjoyed it was just before Negan. And he came in 93 issues ago!

Those first few years though, great stuff. Everything leading up to and including The Governor was gripping stuff, and really well written and plotted. The last few years it just hasn't gripped me the same way

Liked how honest Kirkman was in his message at the end, too. And it's admirable that he didn't just drag it out forever. He reached the end of the story he wanted to tell, so ended it

Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on July 04, 2019, 03:43:45 PM
Quote from: Shameless Custard on July 04, 2019, 02:51:03 PM
I thought it was a decent last issue, but yeah it's high time the book ended as it's been donkey dick for years.

I think the last time I properly enjoyed it was just before Negan. And he came in 93 issues ago!

I don't think the series ever recovered from the death of Glenn.
Funnily enough, I think the TV series is finding that too.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on July 04, 2019, 08:24:02 PM
Quote from: kidsick5000 on July 04, 2019, 03:43:45 PM
I don't think the series ever recovered from the death of Glenn.
Funnily enough, I think the TV series is finding that too.

I'd agree with that, and all of the new characters they introduced were pretty weak, Princess being the most tedious of them all.

Doom Patrol - The Weight Of Worlds issue 1 - I just don't get on with Gerald Way's taken on Doom Patrol at all, to me it feels like it's being weird for weird's sake and the characterisation is just dull. I'd even prefer Paul fucking Kupperberg to write the title again than Way but unfortunately DC keep on hiring him so despite loving the characters I won't be be reading about their antics for a good few years to come sadly.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on July 05, 2019, 09:19:34 AM
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on July 04, 2019, 08:24:02 PM
Doom Patrol - The Weight Of Worlds issue 1 - I just don't get on with Gerald Way's taken on Doom Patrol at all, to me it feels like it's being weird for weird's sake and the characterisation is just dull. I'd even prefer Paul fucking Kupperberg to write the title again than Way but unfortunately DC keep on hiring him so despite loving the characters I won't be be reading about their antics for a good few years to come sadly.

Oh, that's a real shame. Was gonna start reading that soon. Hey ho. Best get on with Sandman before it gets its Netflix release.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on July 05, 2019, 02:23:07 PM
Quote from: Artie Fufkin on July 05, 2019, 09:19:34 AM
Oh, that's a real shame. Was gonna start reading that soon. Hey ho. Best get on with Sandman before it gets its Netflix release.

Well you may feel differently to me, Way must have his fans or DC wouldn't keep hiring him. But I just don't like his style of writing, and didn't get on with The Umbrella Academy either.

Superman: Up in the Sky Issue 1 - In which Tom King takes on Superman, I was really quite fond of this, it feels like the Superman of the eighties in many ways but it definitely has it's charm and the story is an interesting one.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Custard on July 05, 2019, 04:35:25 PM
That's funny, I'm currently reading the similarly titled Superman: Up, Up and Away, and I was thinking it nails the 80's vibe of Superman really well too!

I don't always get on with Superman comics, but Birthright is pretty great. And Last Son Of Krypton. The Brianiac story that runs from Action Comics #866 - #870 is quality too
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on July 05, 2019, 05:12:32 PM
Quote from: Shameless Custard on July 05, 2019, 04:35:25 PM
That's funny, I'm currently reading the similarly titled Superman: Up, Up and Away, and I was thinking it nails the 80's vibe of Superman really well too!

I don't always get on with Superman comics, but Birthright is pretty great. And Last Son Of Krypton. The Brianiac story that runs from Action Comics #866 - #870 is quality too

I've never been the world's biggest Superman fan either but I did like Birthright so will have to give the others a go, I do actually have Last Son Of Krypton as it was £1.50 in a charity shop but I've not got round to reading it so far, but will rectify that soon.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Custard on July 06, 2019, 07:37:46 AM
Apologies SMBH, The Brianiac story that runs from Action Comics #866 - #870 is actually collected in the Last Son Of Krypton book!

Hope you like it anyway
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on July 06, 2019, 01:24:24 PM
Quote from: Shameless Custard on July 06, 2019, 07:37:46 AM
Apologies SMBH, The Brianiac story that runs from Action Comics #866 - #870 is actually collected in the Last Son Of Krypton book!

Hope you like it anyway

Is that the Gary Frank run? I really enjoyed his take on Superman. Not ridiculously muscled and with a vague look of Christopher Reeve
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Custard on July 06, 2019, 05:46:54 PM
It is, yep. Deffo a bit of the Reeves in there!
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on July 07, 2019, 09:05:02 AM
Two more recently read:

Apocalypse Bow-wow! That's the pitch for Garth Ennis' Rover Red Charlie, the story of three dogs trying to deal with the end of the world - or at least the end of the world as they know it. After humanity - spontaneously driven insane and given to murderous and suicidal impulses for reasons never explained* - is obliterated in just days, Charlie (a seeing-eye dog), Rover (a Cockney basset hound from across "the big splash") and Red (a very dim but loyal red setter) must journey across America to California and "the bigger splash", where legend says there might be a few surviving humans to tell them what to do. It's a weird mix of Ennis brutality/perversion, adorable cuteness and borderline doggo speak that works far better than it ought to, and the ending is genuinely touching. Garth Ennis is a consumate cynic - which means he's a romantic at heart - and the wilting innocence of his protagonists is just about the perfect medium for him to express it. Would work paired up with We3 as "imagine how Hollywood would fuck this right up" double-bill. Highly recommended.

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/814OwQcXfGL.jpg)

The bumper-sized Doom Patrol Book 3 caps off Morrison's DP run, and it left me a tiny (tiny) bit cold - but through no fault of the comic itself, which is brilliantly written and illustrated. Partly it's because the ideas here are much more grounded and "superheroic", especially in the final confrontation with the Candlemaker, compared withe the lunacy I enjoyed before. Partly it's because the ordering of the book means that the first arc already started in the previous volume, so the "Mr Nobody for President" arc feels truncated and tossed off. But mostly it's because I remembered most of this a lot better than the contents of the previous volume, so it felt considerably less dazzling.

Still, that eight-episode closing arc is truly epic, and the reversion to biff-bam superheroics with only a few diversions into weirdness, gives a sense of fast-approaching, inescapable entropy and a down-to-the-wire fight against fate. It also has a gorgeous ending, and a truly lovely coda. Sadly, the last issue in the volume is the bumper-sized Doom Force #1, a special issue parodying Rob Liefeld's X-Men and the general early-90s preponderance of malformed human bodies and scratchy inks. It's pretty funny, but rather diminishes the ending of the book. I'd much rather they had put it at the end of book two, then brought across the last couple of issues of that volume (which set up the Mr Nobody arc) for this one.

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/A1WF6ZnfwRL.jpg)

* So basically a near-identical set-up to Ennis' own Crossed, also from Avatar Comics, although these lunatics lack the tell-tale facial scars, and there are no human survivors at all.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Custard on July 07, 2019, 01:37:47 PM
I've just read all of Jennifer Blood. The first volume was written by Garth Ennis and was quite fun, yet a bit bleak. Then he hands it off to other writers, and it quickly goes a bit too silly, with her just killing anyone and everyone, due to really contrived circumstances.

The end was alright, though. I just wish Ennis had written all of it

Will have to check out Red Rover Charlie! I've liked most of his work I've read
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on July 07, 2019, 05:37:50 PM
Don't know that I could handle Red Rover Charlie.
Dogs nobly heading towards doom? Nope. Not dogs.
I assume it's doom because Ennis enjoys being twisted.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on July 07, 2019, 05:48:00 PM
Quote from: Mister Six on July 07, 2019, 09:05:02 AM
Two more recently read:

Apocalypse Bow-wow! That's the pitch for Garth Ennis' Rover Red Charlie, the story of three dogs trying to deal with the end of the world - or at least the end of the world as they know it. After humanity - spontaneously driven insane and given to murderous and suicidal impulses for reasons never explained* - is obliterated in just days, Charlie (a seeing-eye dog), Rover (a Cockney basset hound from across "the big splash") and Red (a very dim but loyal red setter) must journey across America to California and "the bigger splash", where legend says there might be a few surviving humans to tell them what to do. It's a weird mix of Ennis brutality/perversion, adorable cuteness and borderline doggo speak that works far better than it ought to, and the ending is genuinely touching. Garth Ennis is a consumate cynic - which means he's a romantic at heart - and the wilting innocence of his protagonists is just about the perfect medium for him to express it. Would work paired up with We3 as "imagine how Hollywood would fuck this right up" double-bill. Highly recommended.

Thanks for the recommendation, I've just read the first issue and liked it a lot, though if all of the dogs die in the final issue I will track you down, and, um, I don't know, cry all over you or something most likely.

Nextwave - Agents Of Hate - Another charity shop find, I'm making my way through the first volume and liking it a lot, it's Warren Ellis having fun and being silly and a really enjoyable read.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Custard on July 07, 2019, 11:32:08 PM
The Marvel "crossover event" House Of M.

It's basically an X-Men story, but then all the usual Marvel lads pile in. Could see an adaptation of this working quite well in the films, now the Infinity stuff is over.

Grant Morrison's run on JLA - Volume One.
Thought this was pretty good, though it felt a tiny bit dated in places. Superman with long hair can fuck off, too. Though I'd take this optimistic colourful take over the deathdoom of someone like Zach Snyder's anyday. Looking forward to digging in deeper with this series

RoboCop: Last Stand.
Frank Miller has another go at RoboCop, and it's genuinely one of the worst things I've ever read. Just horrible, nasty shite

Aliens: Defiance.
This however, I thought was pretty great. Nails the tone of the films, while trying something a bit different. It's really well written, with characters you find yourself actually rooting for, and the art is lovely. Highly recommend this

Superman Unchained.
Thought this was passable and quite entertaining, but Scott Snyder is far better suited to Batman

X-Men: The Dark Phoenix Saga.
Excellent. Glad I've finally read it, after years of hearing how good it is. Didn't disappoint.

Wonder Woman: The Hiketeia.
Wonders goes up against Bats. Pretty good, and the art is superb. Short n sweet too

John Wick - Volume One
Tries to capture the feel of the films, and succeeds for the most part. But it wasn't the strongest of storylines, sadly. Worth a go if you like the films

Iron Man: The Five Nightmares
Good stuff. I've been meaning to read more Iron Man, and this was one of the ones I'd seen recommended on't internet. Good story, and I read it in one sitting

(I've gone a bit mad on Comixology lately!)
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on July 08, 2019, 12:44:55 AM
Obviously I don't want to spoil Rover Red Charlie for anyone but it isn't Ennis in full Crossed/Nick Fury/Punisher grim-o-rama mode. There are a few dog deaths, one of which I found quite upsetting (but narratively justified), but Ennis isn't a sadist (in this, at least).

Will be interested to find out what you guys make of it.

Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on July 07, 2019, 05:48:00 PM
Nextwave - Agents Of Hate - Another charity shop find, I'm making my way through the first volume and liking it a lot, it's Warren Ellis having fun and being silly and a really enjoyable read.

NEXTWAVE (capital letters!) is by some distance my favourite Warren Ellis work ever.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: chveik on July 08, 2019, 01:07:13 AM
I quite enjoyed NEXTWAVE but Trees and FreakAngels are far more interesting imo.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on July 08, 2019, 04:00:03 PM
Quote from: Shameless Custard on July 07, 2019, 11:32:08 PM

RoboCop: Last Stand.
Frank Miller has another go at RoboCop, and it's genuinely one of the worst things I've ever read. Just horrible, nasty shite

Feel free to expand. I enjoy a good comics vent

Quote from: Shameless Custard on July 07, 2019, 11:32:08 PM

(I've gone a bit mad on Comixology lately!)

Disturbingly easy, isn't it
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on July 09, 2019, 08:44:30 AM
Quote from: Shameless Custard on July 07, 2019, 11:32:08 PM

(I've gone a bit mad on Comixology lately!)

Quote from: kidsick5000 on July 08, 2019, 04:00:03 PM

Disturbingly easy, isn't it

Bought 8 graphic novels off there over the weekend. Bloody sales!
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: mikeyg27 on July 09, 2019, 09:32:13 AM
Quote from: Artie Fufkin on July 09, 2019, 08:44:30 AM
Bought 8 graphic novels off there over the weekend. Bloody sales!

Comic-Con's in a couple of weekends, isn't it? Pretty much the entire collection goes on sale at some point that week.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: madhair60 on July 09, 2019, 09:34:02 AM
What device are you lot reading your comixologies on?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: gout_pony on July 09, 2019, 12:23:37 PM
New Megg and Mogg out. Seems less antics based and more despairing, which is good after three volumes of antics.

Don't care for the cover, mind:

(http://www.paulgravett.com/articles2/article_images/Bad_Gateway_200.jpg)
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on July 09, 2019, 12:32:32 PM
Quote from: mikeyg27 on July 09, 2019, 09:32:13 AM
Comic-Con's in a couple of weekends, isn't it? Pretty much the entire collection goes on sale at some point that week.
Fuck
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on July 09, 2019, 12:32:58 PM
Quote from: madhair60 on July 09, 2019, 09:34:02 AM
What device are you lot reading your comixologies on?
iPad - it's made for it
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on July 09, 2019, 12:33:49 PM
Quote from: gout_pony on July 09, 2019, 12:23:37 PM
New Megg and Mogg out. Seems less antics based and more despairing, which is good after three volumes of antics.

Don't care for the cover, mind:

(http://www.paulgravett.com/articles2/article_images/Bad_Gateway_200.jpg)

What is this Megg & Mogg - is it an adult version of the kids books?

*googles*

Ah. Fascinating. Are they good?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: madhair60 on July 09, 2019, 12:36:31 PM
It's a brilliant episodic stoner comic thing. It's really brutal and bleak but constantly makes me laugh out loud. I think the books are Megahex, Megg and Mogg in Amsterdam, One More Year and now Bad Gateway.

Edit: And Megahex is presently £3.99 on Comixology, so give it a look.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on July 09, 2019, 12:38:16 PM
Quote from: madhair60 on July 09, 2019, 12:36:31 PM
It's a brilliant episodic stoner comic thing. It's really brutal and bleak but constantly makes me laugh out loud. I think the books are Megahex, Megg and Mogg in Amsterdam, One More Year and now Bad Gateway.
Cheers. Will deffo check those out.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on July 09, 2019, 05:30:39 PM
Quote from: madhair60 on July 09, 2019, 09:34:02 AM
What device are you lot reading your comixologies on?
Ipad. I keep on denying the instant buy option it keeps pushing. That would be highly deadly
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on July 09, 2019, 08:53:35 PM
Quote from: chveik on July 08, 2019, 01:07:13 AM
I quite enjoyed NEXTWAVE but Trees and FreakAngels are far more interesting imo.

Ellis is one of my favourite comic writers, I just get a bit frustrated with him sometimes as he loses interest in certain projects before finishing them. But I really liked FreakAngels too, bar the ending which I found a bit unsatisfying, and love Trees, along with Injection and The Wild Storm as well.

Quote from: Shameless Custard on July 07, 2019, 11:32:08 PM
RoboCop: Last Stand.
Frank Miller has another go at RoboCop, and it's genuinely one of the worst things I've ever read. Just horrible, nasty shite

I just read half the first issue and decided I really couldn't be arsed finishing it, the writing was horrible but I didn't get on with the art either.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on July 10, 2019, 09:38:00 AM
Quote from: kidsick5000 on July 09, 2019, 05:30:39 PM
I keep on denying the instant buy option it keeps pushing. That would be highly deadly
I'm all over that. One press of a button and it's mine. MIIIIINE!!!!!
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on July 10, 2019, 09:41:33 AM
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on July 09, 2019, 08:53:35 PM
Ellis is one of my favourite comic writers, I just get a bit frustrated with him sometimes as he loses interest in certain projects before finishing them. But I really liked FreakAngels too, bar the ending which I found a bit unsatisfying, and love Trees, along with Injection and The Wild Storm as well.
Transmetropolitan, Doktor Sleepless, Injection, Planetary, Global Frequency & Fell - all fantastic.
Also, his novel, Gun Machine, is brilliant!
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on July 10, 2019, 10:57:42 AM
Quote from: Artie Fufkin on July 10, 2019, 09:41:33 AM
Transmetropolitan, Doktor Sleepless, Injection, Planetary, Global Frequency & Fell - all fantastic.
Also, his novel, Gun Machine, is brilliant!

I've not read Doktor Sleepless but I'd agree with you there and should have mentioned Planetary (and The Authority for that matter). I felt a bit disappointed by Gun Machine though, it was good, just not quite up to the standard I normally associate with the man.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Custard on July 10, 2019, 11:12:21 AM
Frank Miller just can't do RoboCop. Last Stand is just grim. Horrible one dimensional characters, horrible predictable writing, appalling dialogue. All women are either stupid, evil, or sluts (oh, and have big tits). His RoboCop is a bit of a thicko, and always needs help from outside forces to get anything done. The art is really not nice to look at, all messy and overloaded. Miller also can't help injecting his horrible politics in there, too.

The original RoboCop film was dark, but it also had a sense of humour, and RoboCop himself was a hero you rooted for. In Miller's world he's just a tincan who gets his metal head kicked in. The whole thing just leaves a nasty taste. Its just baaaad!

Thanks so much for the Megg and Mogg recommendation. I'm on holiday at the moment, and I nearly devoured the first volume in one sitting. It's great stuff!

Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on July 10, 2019, 11:36:11 AM
Quote from: Artie Fufkin on July 10, 2019, 09:41:33 AM
Transmetropolitan, Doktor Sleepless, Injection, Planetary, Global Frequency & Fell - all fantastic.
Also, his novel, Gun Machine, is brilliant!

Ah, Doktor Sleepless! From that golden period c.2007 when he released a new thing every month and then got bored of it about six months later. According to Wikipedia he's managed 13 issues in 12 years. Fuck's sake.

What was the gimmick with that one? It had its own Wikipedia or something?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on July 10, 2019, 05:02:19 PM
Quote from: Mister Six on July 10, 2019, 11:36:11 AM
Ah, Doktor Sleepless! From that golden period c.2007 when he released a new thing every month and then got bored of it about six months later. According to Wikipedia he's managed 13 issues in 12 years. Fuck's sake.

What was the gimmick with that one? It had its own Wikipedia or something?

Mediawiki or summat....?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: gout_pony on July 10, 2019, 10:58:40 PM
Quote from: Shameless Custard on July 10, 2019, 11:12:21 AM
Thanks so much for the Megg and Mogg recommendation. I'm on holiday at the moment, and I nearly devoured the first volume in one sitting. It's great stuff!

I'm kinda surprised more of us here don't read it as it strikes me as very C&B in its tone and concerns!
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on July 11, 2019, 08:55:25 AM
Quote from: madhair60 on July 09, 2019, 12:36:31 PM
Edit: And Megahex is presently £3.99 on Comixology, so give it a look.
Just grabbed it. Looking forward to reading this later. Thanks!
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: madhair60 on July 11, 2019, 09:35:40 AM
It flits from painfully funny to just painful, and I don't mean "so bad it's painful". It just hurts to read sometimes.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Custard on July 11, 2019, 09:48:44 AM
I feel bad for poor old Owl

I'm up to the third book (yep, I'm caning it), and it never fails to amaze me just how bleak(er) it can get.

Werewolf Jones is a great character. He's like Super Hans turned up to the highest setting possible

It's brilliant. Like the most disgusting soap opera ever made
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: madhair60 on July 11, 2019, 10:45:59 AM
I think my favourite one is the single-pager where Megg and Mogg drop acid right before Werewolf Jones comes in screaming about them helping find his buttplug
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: gout_pony on July 11, 2019, 01:43:59 PM
Quote from: Shameless Custard on July 11, 2019, 09:48:44 AM
I'm up to the third book (yep, I'm caning it), and it never fails to amaze me just how bleak(er) it can get.

I'd say he's ramped this up for Bad Gateway. For what it's worth, I'd say Booger's the character I feel more sympathy for - always in the background trying hard to be a decent sort of fuck-up, but with only the likes of WWJ and Megg for support. Owl's long-suffering, but like Mark Corrigan he's a wretch in his own way.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: madhair60 on July 11, 2019, 01:46:43 PM
My copy of Gateway hasn't arrived yet, but I'm excited and a little scared.  This'll be the first one I've read properly, in book form, before I read scans online (sorry, Simon... I bought all your books brand new on the strength of those scans, so I hope you got my money!)
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: gout_pony on July 11, 2019, 01:49:10 PM
Mine arrived today. I've read half of it and am now giving myself a break from it to do some XR stuff.

Includes an amazing, laudation-worthy return of the Hamburgler mask you'll be pleased to know!
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on July 12, 2019, 08:49:36 AM
Quote from: madhair60 on July 11, 2019, 10:45:59 AM
I think my favourite one is the single-pager where Megg and Mogg drop acid right before Werewolf Jones comes in screaming about them helping find his buttplug
Owl completely fucked up, being pushed through a Drive-Thru in a shopping cart with his cock out.
I almost died.
It's SO grim, but SO good.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on July 12, 2019, 08:50:23 AM
Quote from: Shameless Custard on July 11, 2019, 09:48:44 AM
I feel bad for poor old Owl


He deserves everything he gets
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: madhair60 on July 12, 2019, 09:39:48 AM
"DIFFERENT PERSON"
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Custard on July 12, 2019, 09:54:52 AM
But when Owl gets anything good in his life, i.e. a dream job or a holiday or a girlfriend, the others find a way to cack all over it. His sad little face. And that's not even bringing up what they all did to him when they got him alone in that room, in the first book

For some reason, Megg's unshaven legs always make me laff too. She is weirdly attractive though, so no wonder they all fancy her.

Werewolf Jones though. What a life

Comixology have already started a few sales on various titles. I swear they're gonna end me
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on July 12, 2019, 10:39:46 AM
Quote from: Shameless Custard on July 12, 2019, 09:54:52 AM


For some reason, Megg's unshaven legs always make me laff too. She is weirdly attractive though, so no wonder they all fancy her.

On the horse "I'm a rich bitch!". Arousing.....
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on July 12, 2019, 10:41:03 AM
Quote from: Shameless Custard on July 12, 2019, 09:54:52 AM
But when Owl gets anything good in his life, i.e. a dream job or a holiday or a girlfriend, the others find a way to cack all over it. His sad little face. And that's not even bringing up what they all did to him when they got him alone in that room, in the first book
He doesn't really care in the end though, does he? The twat.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Custard on July 15, 2019, 09:45:18 AM
Heh, probably not.

Rover Red Charlie is lovely stuff. Really enjoyed that. Cheers for recommending it

Anyone read 110 Percent? I bought it on a whim, and ended up really liking it. It's about these three middle-aged women who become obsessed with a popular boy band, and it soon puts a serious strain on their personal lives, and with each other

It has funny moments, but it's actually quite bleak in parts, and you end up feeling a bit sad for them. It's not amazing or anything, but well worth a butchers.

Currently on sale http://www.comixology.com/110-Percent/digital-comic/21348
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on July 15, 2019, 11:07:38 AM
(https://cdn.imagecomics.com/assets/i/releases/130284/ice-cream-man-vol-1-rainbow-sprinkles-tp_981395f4b2.jpg)

I've just started this. It seems to be an anthology loosely connected by the mysterious 'Ice Cream Man' and two FBI Agents (?). The first story was a bit *mweh*, the second was better.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on July 17, 2019, 04:37:33 PM
The last ever LOEG by Moore and O'Neill is out.
It's dense, as expected. Am slowly going through it.

Caution: It gets meta
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Norton Canes on July 17, 2019, 04:59:42 PM
Our very own Jumble Cashback is back on Judge Dredd art duties in this week's 2000 AD (prog 2140)

(I know he does a lot more in the Meg but I don't get that sorry JC)

Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: gout_pony on July 17, 2019, 07:05:27 PM
Quote from: madhair60 on July 11, 2019, 01:46:43 PM
My copy of Gateway hasn't arrived yet, but I'm excited and a little scared.  This'll be the first one I've read properly, in book form, before I read scans online (sorry, Simon... I bought all your books brand new on the strength of those scans, so I hope you got my money!)

You read it now Stu?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on July 17, 2019, 07:28:52 PM
Quote from: Norton Canes on July 17, 2019, 04:59:42 PM
Our very own Jumble Cashback is back on Judge Dredd art duties in this week's 2000 AD (prog 2140)

(I know he does a lot more in the Meg but I don't get that sorry JC)

Coo. What's Kimble's real name? PM me if that's not the kind of thing we should talk about on here.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on July 17, 2019, 08:30:15 PM
Army Of Darkness / Bubba Ho-Tep - A shameless cash in which fails to understand what was so great about both films and is just tedious fight scenes 95% of the time.

Mars Attacks Popeye - Whereas this is actually surprisingly quite charming, a very simplistic but fun take on what might happen if the earth was ever invaded on Popeye's watch.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: ZoyzaSorris on July 17, 2019, 10:39:02 PM
Thanks to whoever recommended the fall of deadworld thing, first bit of 2000 ad stuff ive checked out in about 25 years (dont really do comics much) - thoroughly enjoyed it, spectacularly fucked up indeed. Like 'the road' x HR Giger with lots of fun not so subtle real life allusions thrown in. The ageing biggy titbo conspiracist red neck grandad actually being on the money with his bizarre theories about weather control was a nice humorous touch, the dark humour throughout stops the whole thing just being an exercise in pointless grimness. Incredible artwork. And thanks to smbh for the nod to the free comic viewer. Bit skint.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Custard on July 23, 2019, 01:01:34 PM
Paper Girls is ending with the next issue, no. 30. I've only started reading it this month, but I've ended up enjoying it so much that I've read the lot, and looking forward to seeing how it wraps up

Brian K Vaughan has become somewhat of a favourite of mine. Loved Saga and Y: The Last Man, and this has been excellent too. He's a very good writer and storyteller, and he's good at these sprawling "epic" series

Started reading Letter 44 too. It's an attempt at a "realistic" take of what it'd be like if we made contact with aliens. Only a few issues in, but gripped already. I can't remember if it was actually recommended in this thread, so if it was, then fanxxx!

Also started on Batman Rebirth. The introduction of Gotham and Miss Gotham made me laugh out loud. Hopefully that was the aim. Love the art in this one
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: madhair60 on July 23, 2019, 01:36:06 PM
Quote from: gout_pony on July 17, 2019, 07:05:27 PM
You read it now Stu?

Only the first quarter or so. It's a bigger format than I expected so it's a bit of an inconvenient one.

"Game over" made me burst out laughing.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on July 23, 2019, 03:29:44 PM
Quote from: Shameless Custard on July 23, 2019, 01:01:34 PM
Paper Girls is ending with the next issue, no. 30. I've only started reading it this month, but I've ended up enjoying it so much that I've read the lot, and looking forward to seeing how it wraps up

Brian K Vaughan has become somewhat of a favourite of mine. Loved Saga and Y: The Last Man, and this has been excellent too. He's a very good writer and storyteller, and he's good at these sprawling "epic" series

I'm kind of saddened to hear that as I've been really enjoying it and the plot is so crazy that it could have gone on for at least another ten issues or so, if not many more. Still, at least this should mean it'll be a really tight, lean, satisfying read, and I'm looking forward to seeing how everything comes to a close.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Custard on July 23, 2019, 05:37:13 PM
Yeah, it's really excellent isn't it?

Was surprised when I read it was ending. The end of issue 29 says To Be Concluded. So I did a bit of googling, and it's indeed ending at 30, with is out the 27th apparently.

Maybe he's jumping back into Saga? He has said there's one final run of issues for that still to come, which is great news
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on July 23, 2019, 07:33:17 PM
Quote from: Shameless Custard on July 23, 2019, 05:37:13 PM
Yeah, it's really excellent isn't it?

Was surprised when I read it was ending. The end of issue 29 says To Be Concluded. So I did a bit of googling, and it's indeed ending at 30, with is out the 27th apparently.

Maybe he's jumping back into Saga? He has said there's one final run of issues for that still to come, which is great news

I know the break from Saga was supposed to be for a year, but can't remember when 45 came out now. I'm only up to 35 as I was enjoying it a huge amount but decided I wanted to wait until it was all finished before binging it all in one go. And like you I'm a fan the man in general, and really need to check out The Private Eye as I hear good things about it.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: madhair60 on July 25, 2019, 12:28:25 PM
First issue of Hickman's X-Men is the most excited I've been about Mutants in years. I gave up on my lifelong love of X-Men after Secret Wars ushered in a succession of pure toilet, but I'm back now.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on July 25, 2019, 02:23:51 PM
Quote from: madhair60 on July 25, 2019, 12:28:25 PM
First issue of Hickman's X-Men is the most excited I've been about Mutants in years. I gave up on my lifelong love of X-Men after Secret Wars ushered in a succession of pure toilet, but I'm back now.
Aww, man. Love Hickman. Will check that out. Thanks for the heads up.
Nice profile pic, too.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Custard on July 26, 2019, 11:13:42 AM
Aye SMBH, the last issue of Saga was a year ago this month. And Vaughan said it'd be at least a year break, so who knows? Hope it returns soon though

Been ploughing through The Perry Bible Fellowship Almanak, and much of it is still very clever, inventive and funny. Maybe the only web comic I've ever really enjoyed

Went through The Boys spin-off series, as there's a sale on on Comixology to promote the TV show.

Butcher's was very good, Hughie's surprisingly very funny, and Herogasm was grim but good fun. I miss The Boys :(
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on July 26, 2019, 11:24:12 AM
Quote from: Shameless Custard on July 26, 2019, 11:13:42 AM

Went through The Boys spin-off series, as there's a sale on on Comixology to promote the TV show.

Butcher's was very good, Hughie's surprisingly very funny, and Herogasm was grim but good fun. I miss The Boys :(

Oooh. Thanks for this heads up.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on July 26, 2019, 03:14:43 PM
Surprised you didn't read them at the time. They're (especially Hughie's) essential to the wider series arcs.

Did you notice that Hughie's family are basically the Broons, by the way?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: madhair60 on July 26, 2019, 03:28:27 PM
Read all of Chronicles of Wormwood this week, on an Ennis tip. I'd heard it was awful but I really enjoyed it overall, not sure what that says about me. Really OTT as you'd expect but fun and funny. Some standout pages for sure, and a refreshingly quick read.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: BeardFaceMan on July 26, 2019, 06:14:08 PM
They're currently doing the entire series of The Boys, including the spin-offs, and a load of other Ennis goodness for 12 quid on humblebundle at the moment.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on July 27, 2019, 10:15:44 AM
Quote from: Shameless Custard on July 26, 2019, 11:13:42 AM

Been ploughing through The Perry Bible Fellowship Almanak, and much of it is still very clever, inventive and funny. Maybe the only web comic I've ever really enjoyed



Did any webcomics go the distance /evolve into greater things?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on July 27, 2019, 01:09:53 PM
Achewood, of course.

Holy fuck, Sluggy Freelance is still going (https://www.sluggy.com/)! And it's completely incomprehensible, by the looks of things.

And so is Sinfest, which was always shit but has now gone full Glinner (https://www.sinfest.net/view.php?date=2019-07-26), by the looks of things. The site now has "a new forum for people who like the message of my comic. ... The new forum will be anti-pornography, anti-prostitution", which is by some distance the funniest thing the writer has produced, given the name of the comic and that it originally had little to recommend it beyond some nice, occasionally cheesecakey art. (Just jumped back to a random date to try to figure out when the change happened and came across this (https://www.sinfest.net/view.php?date=2019-06-07).)
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: samadriel on July 27, 2019, 06:28:07 PM
Holy shit, Ishida really has gone full Glinner, I never would have expected that. He just seemed like some tedious, occasionally mildly offensive dudebro at the start, but now? Wow. I wonder if there are certain personality defects that act as backdoors to sudden, explosive TERFism from out of nowhere.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Phil_A on July 28, 2019, 01:19:35 AM
Quote from: Mister Six on July 27, 2019, 01:09:53 PM
Achewood, of course.

Holy fuck, Sluggy Freelance is still going (https://www.sluggy.com/)! And it's completely incomprehensible, by the looks of things.

And so is Sinfest, which was always shit but has now gone full Glinner (https://www.sinfest.net/view.php?date=2019-07-26), by the looks of things. The site now has "a new forum for people who like the message of my comic. ... The new forum will be anti-pornography, anti-prostitution", which is by some distance the funniest thing the writer has produced, given the name of the comic and that it originally had little to recommend it beyond some nice, occasionally cheesecakey art. (Just jumped back to a random date to try to figure out when the change happened and came across this (https://www.sinfest.net/view.php?date=2019-06-07).)

Even crazier - fucking Megatokyo is still going. When's the last time anyone even thought about that let alone read it?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on July 28, 2019, 02:46:29 AM
Yowza. Is there still a webcomics "scene"? There seemed to be millions of them back in 2000, but I imagine they'd struggle to compete with YouTube and the like these days.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: madhair60 on July 30, 2019, 07:01:43 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/jZeW2Se.jpg)
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on July 31, 2019, 12:39:24 PM
This morning, I bought the following from ComiXology :

Sandman vol 6 to 9
Sandman vol 10, which I discovered only afterwards wasn't in the actual sale, so I paid full price for it - grrrr !
Megg & Mogg In Amsterdam.
That's August's comic budget blown already.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Custard on July 31, 2019, 05:19:33 PM
The new Megg and Mogg, Bad Gateway is now on Comixology. 14 squid, though!

Think I better wait til it drops by at least a fiver
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: gout_pony on July 31, 2019, 06:28:30 PM
Quote from: Shameless Custard on July 31, 2019, 05:19:33 PM
The new Megg and Mogg, Bad Gateway is now on Comixology. 14 squid, though!

It's read... but Hanselmann's style is so bloody readable that I just breeze through even big graphic novels like this one in an hour. Still, his art has become increasingly pretty so it does feel like something to return to.

I remember someone on here thinking that a photo I posted of Hanselmann in drag was me. I wish. We've both got overly strong chins though.

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/2e/ab/fb/2eabfb2f308097bceacf15b0ffd11990.jpg)
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: bgmnts on August 01, 2019, 03:38:55 AM
Halfway through volume 2 of The Boys, its obviously much better than the tele show and i'm quite enjoying it. Its even darker but comic books have that quality where even the darkest of plots and themes just dont carry the same weight as tv or film, maybe its the emotions of the actors that crank it up a notch. Still great though.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Custard on August 01, 2019, 07:58:58 AM
The Boys is ace the whole way through too, and builds to a great conclusion.

For some reason the three spin-off mini-series are not contained in the digital omnibuses, hence why I've only just read them, but they are well worth checking out. They are scooped up in the trade volumes though, which is weird. If you're reading the trades, then you will be alright!

Paper Girls had a good ending, too. Gutted that's over
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: madhair60 on August 01, 2019, 08:19:13 AM
Quote from: Shameless Custard on August 01, 2019, 07:58:58 AM
For some reason the three spin-off mini-series are not contained in the digital omnibuses

Bizarre because they are not optional.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on August 01, 2019, 08:54:20 AM
Quote from: madhair60 on August 01, 2019, 08:19:13 AM
Bizarre because they are not optional.
So, should they be read after finishing The Boys?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: madhair60 on August 01, 2019, 09:38:33 AM
Quote from: Artie Fufkin on August 01, 2019, 08:54:20 AM
So, should they be read after finishing The Boys?

Not really. They slot in the trade paperback order exactly where they need to.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Custard on August 01, 2019, 09:48:26 AM
It wasn't massively damaging to read them after, but yeah it would have been nice to read them in the intended order!

I thought it was weird in the book that Hughie kept mentioning "what happened at Herogasm", yet it wasn't shown! Thought they might come back to it at some point. Gah!
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on August 01, 2019, 09:50:58 AM
Quote from: madhair60 on August 01, 2019, 09:38:33 AM
Not really. They slot in the trade paperback order exactly where they need to.
Yeah, I've got the digital omnibuses (omnibii?) that don't seem to include them.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Custard on August 01, 2019, 09:54:50 AM
Nab the spin-offs while they're on sale!

Volumes 5, 8, and 10
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: madhair60 on August 01, 2019, 10:04:09 AM
Quote from: Artie Fufkin on August 01, 2019, 09:50:58 AM
Yeah, I've got the digital omnibuses (omnibii?) that don't seem to include them.

Insane decision tbh.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on August 01, 2019, 10:13:41 AM
Quote from: madhair60 on August 01, 2019, 10:04:09 AM
Insane decision tbh.
Me or them....?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: madhair60 on August 01, 2019, 12:01:25 PM
Them for not including them
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on August 01, 2019, 01:44:16 PM
This is the reading order for The Boys, including the miniseries...

Issues 1-30
Miniseries: Herogasm
Issues 31-47
Miniseries: Highland Laddie
Issues 48-59
Miniseries: Butcher, Baker, Candlestick Maker
Issues 60-72

Not including them in the omnibus editions is mad.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on August 01, 2019, 02:27:16 PM
Quote from: Shameless Custard on August 01, 2019, 09:54:50 AM
Nab the spin-offs while they're on sale!

Volumes 5, 8, and 10

Done *thumb*
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on August 01, 2019, 02:27:50 PM
Quote from: Mister Six on August 01, 2019, 01:44:16 PM
This is the reading order for The Boys, including the miniseries...

Issues 1-30
Miniseries: Herogasm
Issues 31-47
Miniseries: Highland Laddie
Issues 48-59
Miniseries: Butcher, Baker, Candlestick Maker
Issues 60-72

Not including them in the omnibus editions is mad.

Thanks, Mr 6 !
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on August 01, 2019, 02:38:53 PM
No worries. If you buy the individual volumes, the miniseries are included in the correct order.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on August 01, 2019, 03:25:51 PM
Quote from: Mister Six on August 01, 2019, 02:38:53 PM
No worries. If you buy the individual volumes, the miniseries are included in the correct order.

I bought the digital omnibuses earlier this year ago. Been sitting in my 'to read' pile. Gonna make a start on them tonight / tomoz. I've already read the first 2 'physical' tpbs, a long time ago.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on August 01, 2019, 03:45:01 PM
Quote from: Artie Fufkin on August 01, 2019, 03:25:51 PM
I bought the digital omnibuses earlier this year ago. Been sitting in my 'to read' pile. Gonna make a start on them tonight / tomoz. I've already read the first 2 'physical' tpbs, a long time ago.

Ah, hold on then, because the digital omnibuses might not include the miniseries (per the above posts).
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on August 01, 2019, 04:23:26 PM
Quote from: Mister Six on August 01, 2019, 03:45:01 PM
Ah, hold on then, because the digital omnibuses might not include the miniseries (per the above posts).

They do not, no. Which is why I bought the spin-offs earlier. I checked all the contents of the omnibuses (omnibii), and it's just the basic issue 1 - 72(?).
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on August 01, 2019, 04:39:02 PM
Madness. Yeah, the main series stopped at 72.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on August 02, 2019, 11:08:27 PM
Quote from: Shameless Custard on August 01, 2019, 07:58:58 AM
Paper Girls had a good ending, too. Gutted that's over

I've just read it now and aren't sure what to think. It was certainly touching and poignant and suggests that despite the memory wipe they will stay friends, but I still found myself wishing they could have still retained their memories somehow. And I get that if they had it might have fucked (some) of them up enormously, but it still feels rather tragic that they have no idea about the things they went through together.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Custard on August 04, 2019, 12:19:44 PM
Yeah, I know what you mean SMBH, but SPOILERZ AHEAD.....



I kinda liked that they ended up as pals anyway. So maybe some remnant of that time is still somehow pulling them together. I thought it was quite sweet

I liked that the time travel and fantasy elements were wrapped up in the last issue, so the final one could just be about the friendship between the four of them. Lovely stuff
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on August 04, 2019, 06:08:24 PM
Quote from: Shameless Custard on August 04, 2019, 12:19:44 PM
Yeah, I know what you mean SMBH, but SPOILERZ AHEAD.....



I kinda liked that they ended up as pals anyway. So maybe some remnant of that time is still somehow pulling them together. I thought it was quite sweet

I liked that the time travel and fantasy elements were wrapped up in the last issue, so the final one could just be about the friendship between the four of them. Lovely stuff

I liked that aspect too, it allowed the ending to breathe and be affecting after all the fast paced craziness of the previous issues, and it's definitely a series I look back upon really fondly, and would definitely recommend to others. I'm looking forward to the proposed tv version too, but hope they stick to the comics and make it a limited event, maybe three seasons at the most.

Edit: Doctor Who Issues 9 and 10 - A fun adventure which involves the timelady Corsair from before she was killed, I really wish Jody Houser was given a job writing for the tv series as she captures the characters incredibly well and the plots are always enjoyable too, hell, she even had Yaz say something funny in the most recent issue.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Glebe on August 19, 2019, 04:01:31 PM
The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen: The Tempest #6: Brings things to a conclusion with some larks and meta-stuff, nothing mind-blowing but there are some nice little touches.

I've got Catwoman: When in Rome sitting there unread these past few weeks.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on August 24, 2019, 03:30:20 PM
Batman 77 - In which Bane snaps Alfred's neck, killing him. Ugh. Who knows if it really is him too as it could be Clayface or any other shapeshifting villain, or some sort of psychological trickery, and I doubt it'll stick forever even if it genuinely is him, so I can't find myself caring that much.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: madhair60 on August 26, 2019, 05:32:53 PM
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on August 24, 2019, 03:30:20 PM
Batman 77 - In which Bane snaps Alfred's neck, killing him. Ugh. Who knows if it really is him too as it could be Clayface or any other shapeshifting villain, or some sort of psychological trickery, and I doubt it'll stick forever even if it genuinely is him, so I can't find myself caring that much.

Honestly thought it was a really good issue.

I like King's Batman a lot.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: madhair60 on August 27, 2019, 02:39:09 PM
Anywhere good to get TPBs for Cheap? I'm tired of eBay and amazon
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on August 27, 2019, 03:05:53 PM
Quote from: madhair60 on August 26, 2019, 05:32:53 PM
Honestly thought it was a really good issue.

I like King's Batman a lot.

I didn't mind it as a whole, but big deaths are just meaningless to me as they pretty much never stick.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: madhair60 on August 30, 2019, 01:26:22 PM
Sonic the Comic/2000AD artist and avowedly lovely chap Nigel Dobbyn has passed away at 56. Very sad news.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: gmoney on August 30, 2019, 05:18:16 PM
Can anyone recommend any decent Avengers collections? I picked up Avengers vs X-Men for £8 the other day and found myself really enjoying it, but I have no idea of what is any good.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Phil_A on August 30, 2019, 06:34:30 PM
Quote from: madhair60 on August 30, 2019, 01:26:22 PM
Sonic the Comic/2000AD artist and avowedly lovely chap Nigel Dobbyn has passed away at 56. Very sad news.

It's a shame he was prominent in the shit years of 2000AD where his talents were wasted on a lot of mediocre stuff.
There was story he was asked to draw the final script of Mark Millar's awful Dredd spin-off Red Razors, and he disliked the ending so much he just decided to change it off his own back - no-one seemed to notice.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: madhair60 on September 01, 2019, 02:34:50 PM
Quote from: gmoney on August 30, 2019, 05:18:16 PM
Can anyone recommend any decent Avengers collections? I picked up Avengers vs X-Men for £8 the other day and found myself really enjoying it, but I have no idea of what is any good.

I will get shit for this, but Avengers or New Avengers by Brian Michael Bendis is one I always found enjoyable.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on September 02, 2019, 11:00:19 AM
Quote from: madhair60 on September 01, 2019, 02:34:50 PM
I will get shit for this, but Avengers or New Avengers by Brian Michael Bendis is one I always found enjoyable.
I loved them, too. Especially New Avengers.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on September 07, 2019, 06:47:47 AM
Quote from: Phil_A on August 30, 2019, 06:34:30 PM
It's a shame he was prominent in the shit years of 2000AD where his talents were wasted on a lot of mediocre stuff.
There was story he was asked to draw the final script of Mark Millar's awful Dredd spin-off Red Razors, and he disliked the ending so much he just decided to change it off his own back - no-one seemed to notice.

I will have to check that out. I don't think I read any of Dobbyn's Razors, only Steve Yeowell's. An odd choice to take over from Yeowell. As I remember it, Red Razors was a very Deadline/Tank Girl influenced strip. I'm guessing it was commissioned with the task of "violence and as many pop-culture references as you can manage". So you got modern (for the day) nods to Vic Reeves' Big Night Out along with Swap Shop and old Hanna Barbera cartoons.

I'm not sure that 30 years will have been kind to it
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Phil_A on September 07, 2019, 06:48:30 PM
Quote from: kidsick5000 on September 07, 2019, 06:47:47 AM
I will have to check that out. I don't think I read any of Dobbyn's Razors, only Steve Yeowell's. An odd choice to take over from Yeowell. As I remember it, Red Razors was a very Deadline/Tank Girl influenced strip. I'm guessing it was commissioned with the task of "violence and as many pop-culture references as you can manage". So you got modern (for the day) nods to Vic Reeves' Big Night Out along with Swap Shop and old Hanna Barbera cartoons.

I'm not sure that 30 years will have been kind to it

It hasn't, believe me.

As far as I'm aware, the circumstances of Dobbyn coming to draw the final Red Razors story was that the strip had been commissioned for the Megazine as a follow-up to the original Red Razors story in 1991, which then editor Dave Bishop declined to use because it was so poor. But because the publishers IPC had a rule that all commissioned material had to be printed at some point, they had no choice but to eventually run the strip three years later in 2000AD, by which time Millar and Yeowell had moved on to other things (and presumably Millar either never actually saw the changed ending or didn't care).

Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: ads82 on September 14, 2019, 08:17:03 PM
I'm about halfway through Robert Kirkman's Invincible and really enjoying it. The multiple ongoing storylines and the insanely violent battles with the bad guys are awesome.

So I wanted to know if The Walking Dead is worth a read? I've never seen the show but I've been put off reading the comic by all the negativity surrounding the recent seasons. Did the show do the comic a disservice or are they both as bad as each other?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: gout_pony on September 14, 2019, 08:28:06 PM
Quote from: ads82 on September 14, 2019, 08:17:03 PM
I'm about halfway through Robert Kirkman's Invincible and really enjoying it. The multiple ongoing storylines and the insanely violent battles with the bad guys are awesome.

So I wanted to know if The Walking Dead is worth a read? I've never seen the show but I've been put off reading the comic by all the negativity surrounding the recent seasons. Did the show do the comic a disservice or are they both as bad as each other?

It's a bit dour!
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: ads82 on September 14, 2019, 09:02:46 PM
I don't mind a bit of dour! I also like ongoing narratives with compelling storytelling and characters you can invest in. I reckon Invincible does a pretty good job of ticking those boxes, does The Walking Dead do the same?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on September 14, 2019, 09:07:25 PM
The Walking Dead is pretty decent for a while, but it's an everlasting zombie movie, which means endless repetition of "characters find a safe space, internal dynamics or outside threats force them to move on, repeat". I gave up somewhere around issue 50, I think. I didn't make it past the first season of the show, which was dogshit. Characters in the comic are much more engaging, I think.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: ads82 on September 14, 2019, 09:16:56 PM
Quote from: Mister Six on September 14, 2019, 09:07:25 PM
The Walking Dead is pretty decent for a while, but it's an everlasting zombie movie, which means endless repetition of "characters find a safe space, internal dynamics or outside threats force them to move on, repeat". I gave up somewhere around issue 50, I think. I didn't make it past the first season of the show, which was dogshit. Characters in the comic are much more engaging, I think.

Thank you for that Mister Six. Based on your write up I'll probably give it a miss. One of the things I love about Invincible is how it can shakes things up and expand it's universe. TWD seems like a massive investment for what appears to be one long zombie movie.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Spiteface on September 14, 2019, 09:19:03 PM
Quote from: ads82 on September 14, 2019, 08:17:03 PM
I'm about halfway through Robert Kirkman's Invincible and really enjoying it. The multiple ongoing storylines and the insanely violent battles with the bad guys are awesome.

So I wanted to know if The Walking Dead is worth a read? I've never seen the show but I've been put off reading the comic by all the negativity surrounding the recent seasons. Did the show do the comic a disservice or are they both as bad as each other?

I got into the comic right after the first (and still best, although I've not seen the most recent) season was on telly. What I found while I was watching the show and reading the comic was that ordinarily I would be interested in how a TV show would diverge from the comic, I was disappointed when The Walking Dead TV show did things differently.

Also,they MASSIVELY dropped the ball with the Governor and Negan, although Jeffrey Dean Morgan is perfect in the sweary uncut version of his intro speech. It feels like issue 100 of the comic brought to life.

And yes, it can get repetitive. I thought they might go somewhere with a civil war storyline, that never materialised. That would at least have put a newer spin on things.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on September 14, 2019, 09:33:16 PM
Quote from: ads82 on September 14, 2019, 09:02:46 PM
I don't mind a bit of dour! I also like ongoing narratives with compelling storytelling and characters you can invest in. I reckon Invincible does a pretty good job of ticking those boxes, does The Walking Dead do the same?

I'm very fond of Invincible myself but as others have said The Walking Dead was only good for a while, and for me post issue 100 it became absolute dog shit.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Custard on September 15, 2019, 12:59:28 PM
Yeah, The Wàlking Dead is absolutely worth reading up to issue 100. Some absolutely fantastic issues up to then. The telly show is a joke
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: madhair60 on September 15, 2019, 04:10:42 PM
Invincible is probably the best long form superhero comic, helps that it actually has an ending.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: magval on September 15, 2019, 08:15:12 PM
Ultimate Spider-Man, the initial Peter Parker run, deserves a mention in that conversation too. Another great contained run with an ending.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on September 19, 2019, 02:15:54 PM
Quote from: madhair60 on September 15, 2019, 04:10:42 PM
Invincible is probably the best long form superhero comic, helps that it actually has an ending.

I must reread Invincible. It went a bit wobbly when it suddenly expanded and I lost track, coming back for that final issues.
Otherwise, it maintained an incredible high level of thrills
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on September 20, 2019, 09:47:58 AM
Quote from: madhair60 on September 15, 2019, 04:10:42 PM
Invincible is probably the best long form superhero comic, helps that it actually has an ending.
I got about halfway through, and although I loved it, stopped for some reason. Must re-read and finish sometime. I still think my favourite Kirkman run was on the re-boot of Marvel Team-Up. Bloody loved that, so I did. With a special appearance of someone not in the MU, dare I say....
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on September 20, 2019, 07:08:17 PM
Batman 78 and 79 - In which Batman and Catwoman flirt for ages. It's kind of fun, but eh, a bit drawn out.

Spider-Man 1 - Written by J.J. Abrams and his son K.K., this is set in an alternative universe where MJ is murdered, Peter Parker loses an arm and gives up being Spider-Man. Skip forward 12 years later and their son Ben is starting to develop powers, much to his confusion as he had no idea his mostly absent dad was a superhero. Can't say I liked it much, killing MJ (and having her blood soaked body turn up in flashbacks) was tiresome stuff, and Ben Parker isn't as interesting as his dear old papa.

Black Hammer: Age Of Doom 11 & 12 - In which another chapter of the Black Hammer saga comes to a close. Everyone finally has their memories back but the Anti-God is returning, so does that mean every single person will die? Actually, no, and boy did I fucking hate the ending to this. It's a series I've liked even if it has been a bit repetitive with the main characters memories conveniently wiped a second time, but for it to end with them all back on the farm, meaning the whole thing was pointless (and completely unsatisfying) well, this is the first time I've actively disliked something by Jeff Lemire and I really do dislike it a hell of a lot. There's going to be other Black Hammer series, presumably featuring other characters, but I'm not going to bother until they've finished and the reviews suggest they're worth reading.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on September 21, 2019, 02:00:48 PM
Just finished reading Marvel Comics The Untold Story by Sean Howe which was a fascinating read, an extremely detailed insight in to how the company was run over sixty plus years. My mine take away was that Stan Lee deserves some credit for creating the characters but the artists should just get as much, and that from about 1980 onwards he fucked about trying (and mainly failing) to get movies made and regretting the career he didn't have in script and novel writing. Also Jim Shooter is a colossal prick who was responsible for a lot of terrible crossover stories, and that it's amazing the company survived the late 90s / early 2000s.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on September 21, 2019, 04:06:03 PM
Wasn't Shooter the guy who said there were no gays in Marvel comics? Hence Byrne and co having to make characters like Northstar closeted until after Shooter left?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on September 21, 2019, 04:09:39 PM
Quote from: Mister Six on September 21, 2019, 04:06:03 PM
Wasn't Shooter the guy who said there were no gays in Marvel comics? Hence Byrne and co having to make characters like Northstar closeted until after Shooter left?

It doesn't go in to detail about that, just mentioning that after Shooter left there was some resistance to making Northstar gay but they managed to talk the new boss round.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Gulftastic on September 26, 2019, 04:03:25 PM
Buying the last 'Paper Girls' trade paperback has completed my latest OK Comics loyalty card. I can now choose a free book up to the value of £25. If I want to go over that I can add money.

Does anyone have recommendations?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on September 26, 2019, 04:57:00 PM
Quote from: Gulftastic on September 26, 2019, 04:03:25 PM
Buying the last 'Paper Girls' trade paperback has completed my latest OK Comics loyalty card. I can now choose a free book up to the value of £25. If I want to go over that I can add money.

Does anyone have recommendations?

Just been in a 'From Hell' discussion on another thread. That's cracking. Alan Moore's Jack The Ripper story, if you didn't know.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on September 26, 2019, 05:01:41 PM
Quote from: Gulftastic on September 26, 2019, 04:03:25 PM
Buying the last 'Paper Girls' trade paperback has completed my latest OK Comics loyalty card. I can now choose a free book up to the value of £25. If I want to go over that I can add money.

Does anyone have recommendations?

This is brilliant, too :
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/13590693-the-killer-omnibus-volume-1?from_search=true (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/13590693-the-killer-omnibus-volume-1?from_search=true)
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Gulftastic on September 26, 2019, 06:29:44 PM
Quote from: Artie Fufkin on September 26, 2019, 04:57:00 PM
Just been in a 'From Hell' discussion on another thread. That's cracking. Alan Moore's Jack The Ripper story, if you didn't know.

Yes, I might try that. It's about the only Alan Moore thing I've not read. Not sure why I never got round to it.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on September 26, 2019, 08:36:36 PM
Quote from: Gulftastic on September 26, 2019, 06:29:44 PM
Yes, I might try that. It's about the only Alan Moore thing I've not read. Not sure why I never got round to it.

The same applies with me (though I only got about 20 pages in to Lost Girls before giving up on it), for me it's that I'm not a huge fan of Eddie Campbell's art but I really should give it a second go considering how beloved it is.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Glebe on September 28, 2019, 05:12:56 AM
Read Catwoman: When in Rome. It's alright, I wish it had just been about Catwoman and not throw the Riddler, etc. in.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Monsieur Verdoux on September 29, 2019, 10:59:06 AM
Blasted through Before the Incal, After the Incal and Final Incal in a couple of days. Gotta say that none of them quite match up with the original work, but of this crop I enjoyed 'Before the Incal' the most probably because of the increased focus on character and worldbuilding. John DiFool is a less thorny and annoying presence in that book as well, which doesn't necessarily make it better thematically but it does make it all easier to take in. The symbolism of a formerly dynamic and heroic person being dulled by conventional aspirations and debauchery is quite obvious but works well nonetheless.

'After the Incal' is fine, would have to agree with some of the stuff I've read that Moebius's art is inexplicably below par, although the colouring is the really unattractive thing about the book in that regard. Jodorowsky clearly wasn't at his best either, with some plot elements being a bit slapdash and disappointing. Probably for the best that they chucked it in, although it's worth a read because these two on an off day is better than etc. etc. It's difficult to describe what feels off about it, but I guess that it feels tonally underconfident, which is obviously a rarity for Jodorowsky.

'Final Incal' is good, if a little formally conventional. There's a big battle near the end which is slightly tedious. I enjoyed it and the way the various plot strands and characters are brought back was certainly satisfying enough, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't a little disappointed. The problems of having to meet a high standard, I guess. But there was a bit of a feeling of "is that it?" that I couldn't quite shake.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Gulftastic on October 02, 2019, 07:03:36 PM
Settled on From Hell. Wish I hadn't done a heavy shop before buying it mind. Weighed a bloody ton.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on October 11, 2019, 04:58:03 AM
Going in for my umpteenth reading of Grant Morrison's The Invisibles, largely because I've found out about a rather fun podcast called The King Mobcast (https://kingmobcast.libsyn.com/), in which a bunch of Americans, some familiar with the story and some not, deconstruct the series panel by panel, reference by reference. I'm only halfway through the first episode and it's not said much that I didn't already know, but I am absurdly nerdy about this kind of thing. But it is engaging, I'm enjoying seeing other perspectives on this beloved work, and I'm looking forward to hearing how they react to the series when it goes properly loopy. Also they played a bit from Luke Haines' album Baader Meinhof, which impressed me.

Finally finished off Garth Ennis' A Walk Through Hell too, and it's really made me worry for his mental health. He's always been a cynic, but in this he sounds outright nihilistic, and clearly has very little hope for the future of humanity. I'll let you decide how much you agree with his final point, but it rang true to me. I do hope he's still able to have a laugh though. Oh, the plot? A couple of FBI agents enter a spooky warehouse that drove a SWAT team mad, and things get rapidly worse from there. The title is not metaphorical.

Finally, I soaked up first volume of Alan Moore's Promethea. It didn't quite get me at the time and I still feel a little cold to it now, largely because I find the supporting cast quite tedious, but JH Williams' art is absurdly glorious and Moore was obviously having fun. I do want to see how things unfold, and while some people complained about it getting too metaphysical by the end, that's exactly what interests me about the comic, so I'm quite happy to roll with it.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: madhair60 on October 11, 2019, 08:05:35 AM
If you've not read Garth's Jimmy's Bastards, I recommend that as a... erm... palate cleanser.

His Dastardly and Muttley series, too.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Custard on October 11, 2019, 10:34:22 AM
Just started on Jason Aaron's Southern Bastards. The first volume, oof. Visceral, bleak, lovely stuff. His Scalped is one of my all-time favourite series. That was brilliant. He always has fantastic art in his books, too

Trying out the original series of Tank Girl, too. Only two issues in, and I'm really liking it. No wonder they struggle to make films out if it, though. It's pure comic, in all the best ways

Also reading the first Prison Pit book. Lovely, ridiculously over the top violence, and very funny
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on October 11, 2019, 04:14:01 PM
I'm rereading Marvels by Kurt Busiek at the moment after picking it up for £1.99 at a charity shop, it really is something I'm very fond of and while perhaps it's not quite as groundbreaking as it was upon release it's still a fun read and the art is stunning.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on October 11, 2019, 04:48:16 PM
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on October 11, 2019, 04:14:01 PM
I'm rereading Marvels by Kurt Busiek at the moment after picking it up for £1.99 at a charity shop, it really is something I'm very fond of and while perhaps it's not quite as groundbreaking as it was upon release it's still a fun read and the art is stunning.

Loved that series. Alex Ross is amazing.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on October 11, 2019, 09:52:03 PM
Quote from: madhair60 on October 11, 2019, 08:05:35 AM
If you've not read Garth's Jimmy's Bastards, I recommend that as a... erm... palate cleanser.

His Dastardly and Muttley series, too.

Cheers - I saw D&M at the library so I might pick that up soon!
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: madhair60 on October 12, 2019, 11:03:28 PM
Don't read any spoilers. I found it absolutely joyous.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on October 13, 2019, 12:43:59 AM
Cheers!

I really am enjoying that Invisibles podcast, by the way. They spot a lot of references that passed me by, despite my earlier bravado, had missed.

They also get some stuff (usually details of British life) wrong, which is super annoying, but hey ho.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on October 14, 2019, 11:40:17 PM
Picked up the first trade of Sink, a nicely grimy horror/crime comic set in a blasted Glasgow estate called Sinkhill, where would-be gangsters film their atrocities as auditions for the local crime boss, a troupe of deranged clowns haul people off in the back of a blue van and haunting dreams of a sinister staircase plague the locals.

That sounds a bit derivative, maybe, but the execution is superb (I'm bored to death of spooky clowns, but these mad cunts are genuinely terrifying) and seeing all these separate stories - each issue is self-contained, more or less - slowly interweave is really satisfying.

Looks like it's only on issue 10 despite having started in 2016 so clearly not got the fastest production schedule, but I'd rather the quality stay high, to be honest.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Pinckle Wicker on October 15, 2019, 01:01:45 AM
Quote from: Shameless Custard on October 11, 2019, 10:34:22 AM
Just started on Jason Aaron's Southern Bastards. The first volume, oof. Visceral, bleak, lovely stuff. His Scalped is one of my all-time favourite series. That was brilliant. He always has fantastic art in his books, too

Also reading the first Prison Pit book. Lovely, ridiculously over the top violence, and very funny

Love both of these series.
I don't think much has been happening on SB for a while now. It has been on a bit of a cliffhanger for well over a year now, I think.
Jonny Ryan's Prison Pit is excellent. Very, very OTT (more so than American Barbarian but similar). I think it's up to book six now, as just restarted last year. Cannibal Fuck Face was my avatar for a while there. Also, an animated series started but don't think it progressed beyond ep 1, which is a shame as was really good and in line with the book perfectly.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Spiteface on October 15, 2019, 08:28:55 PM
Go Go Power Rangers this month was a Bulk & Skull-centric issue.

Good to know that even in Boom's continuity, the plot grinds to a screeching halt whenever those two show up.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: madhair60 on October 15, 2019, 10:15:41 PM
Quote from: Spiteface on October 15, 2019, 08:28:55 PM
Go Go Power Rangers this month was a Bulk & Skull-centric issue.

Good to know that even in Boom's continuity, the plot grinds to a screeching halt whenever those two show up.

Did their incredible music play in your head at least?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on October 16, 2019, 01:53:22 PM
Finished off Warren Ellis's The Wild Storm, which built and built nicely and then in the final issue it felt a bit of a disappointment, with everything ending pretty much the way I thought it would. It was supposed to continue in a new series called WildCATS but that seems to have been either cancelled or delayed, which is frustrating and then some.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Spiteface on October 16, 2019, 08:53:59 PM
Quote from: madhair60 on October 15, 2019, 10:15:41 PM
Did their incredible music play in your head at least?

Nope, I was just wondering why this doesn't tie into "Necessary Evil" even though the cover has that banner on it. I hate it when comics do that. Unless they're important in a way that has yet to be revealed.


They're actually more bearable in the comics than they ever were in the show. They're now YouTubers trying to document the Power Rangers' fights in Angel Grove. Which is better than the equivalent period in the show where they try to figure out the Rangers' identities only to give up on that and join the police.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: madhair60 on October 16, 2019, 10:09:13 PM
Where should I start with the comics? I watched the show until Turbo and then I stopped, but I quite like the idea of a ridiculously overwrought Power Rangers comic.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on October 17, 2019, 04:00:20 PM
Batman 81 - The story's finally gotten good and Tom King is racing towards the end of his run on the series, only for the art to be absolutely abysmal, and some of the worst I've seen in years, which is incredibly annoying.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Spiteface on October 17, 2019, 07:59:58 PM
Quote from: madhair60 on October 16, 2019, 10:09:13 PM
Where should I start with the comics? I watched the show until Turbo and then I stopped, but I quite like the idea of a ridiculously overwrought Power Rangers comic.

Like you, I stopped for a while with Turbo, didn't go back until "Lost Galaxy" and am on and off, depending on the show. Hasn't been good since RPM, though.

My honest answer is Kyle Higgin's entire run on the main "Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers" book, from issue 1 up to the end of "Shattered Grid" (imagine if Power Rangers did a weird Crisis-type event) - the early issues are set just after Green With Evil and as such, Tommy is very much the new guy, and there's a lot of processing the aftermath of his brainwashing and whether the team can actually trust him.

There have been other miniseries and one-shots as well.

"Pink" is the first of these, following Kimberly, the original Pink Ranger after she left the team in series 3 of the show, and her becoming a Ranger and leading her own team.

Then there's a crossover with the Justice League that's a load of fun, seeing the two teams come together to take on Lord Zedd & Brainiac. A Ninja Turtles crossover is happening too, but some of us remember the last one. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=228WvjzHtUA)

Not long after the main comic launched, came another ongoing called "Go Go Power Rangers" which started out being set much earlier, a little more focus on the Rangers juggling school with saving the world, then had some tie-ins to the main book when Shattered Grid was ongoing. Now the book is part of the newer arc, but set in the period after Tommy's green powers go away, but before he returns to the team (they actually explain why he goes away in this time, which is more than the show did).

Then there's a couple of One-Shot graphic novels, "Soul of the Dragon" is written by Higgins and is basically "Old Man Tommy" and more recently, "The Psycho Path" which is set after "in Space" and "Lost Galaxy" with the Psycho Rangers making a return.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: madhair60 on October 18, 2019, 09:24:52 AM
Cheers I'll have a look, I love the idea of this ridiculous universe being given some measure of complexity/meaningful serialisation.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on October 21, 2019, 09:11:36 AM
I've just bought (via ComiXology in the sales) the first half of From Hell : Master Edition, and Morrison / Quitely's All-Star Superman.
I am just starting the 3rd and final volume of The Boys Digital Omnibus. I've really enjoyed this, mostly. It's no Preacher, but it's been fun. The Wee Hughie spin-off was a nice palate cleanser.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: madhair60 on October 21, 2019, 09:34:16 AM
All-Star Superman is so good it makes me throb dickerly.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on October 21, 2019, 11:12:23 AM
^Yes, I've been wanting to read this for ages. Took the plunge as it was down to £2.99 in the sale^
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on October 22, 2019, 01:30:32 AM
Just checking - you already read Herogasm and know that there'll be a Butcher spin-off to fit in before you read the end, right, Artie?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on October 22, 2019, 08:42:41 AM
Quote from: Mister Six on October 22, 2019, 01:30:32 AM
Just checking - you already read Herogasm and know that there'll be a Butcher spin-off to fit in before you read the end, right, Artie?
Yes! Thanks to YOU, kind sir, I am already aware of this.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on October 22, 2019, 04:48:08 PM
Hooray! Let us know what you think of the ending.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on October 23, 2019, 09:06:20 AM
Wilco. Though I'm reading an actual book, currently. So won't be for a week or 2.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Custard on October 25, 2019, 12:45:35 AM
Few horror sales on Comixology at the moment, for Halloween

I highly recommend Crawl To Me, by Alan Robert. I took a punt on it as I liked the look of the description and it was only 3 squid.

It's brilliant. A horrible, gory waking nightmare with a cracking ending. Don't read any spoilers!
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Post by: Artie Fufkin on October 25, 2019, 07:46:37 AM
^done^
Will read over the Halloween period. Possibly in a graveyard, whilst being chased by an axe-wielding maniac. With a rabid stoat.
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Post by: Custard on October 25, 2019, 03:15:03 PM
Hope you like it!
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Post by: samadriel on October 28, 2019, 06:58:29 AM
Recently devoured All Star Superman on Comixology, which I initially shied away from because of some of the dialogue early on (that "sauce on the steak of life" line is a real stinker, and it's on, what, page 1? 2?).  It was marvelous, and it turned me around on Grant Morrison, who I previously didn't really like much, but he really gets Superman.  Occasionally I'd come up for air and feel great regret that Snyder and Goyer shat on the character in the recent movies; if only someone with Morrison's grasp of Superman had written them.  I hope the recent Shazam! film opens the door for a more pleasant Superman film, I feel there's a lot of potential there.  Favourite chapter was possibly the Bizarro chapter -- I always have a soft spot for Bizarro, and I loved the Bizarro JLA, particularly Bizarro Batman being missing because he was shot by his parents.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on October 28, 2019, 09:01:52 AM
Quote from: Shameless Custard on October 25, 2019, 03:15:03 PM
Hope you like it!

I did! Very much! Hadn't realised it was the guy from Life Of Agony. Some of his artwork in there is stunning. Reminded me a bit of Ben Templesmith. Yes, great ending.
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Post by: Artie Fufkin on October 28, 2019, 09:05:42 AM
There's a nice little Warren Ellis podcast on the BBC Sounds app at the moment. Under their 'Paperback Writer' series. He sounds nothing like I expected.
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Post by: Small Man Big Horse on October 31, 2019, 05:43:28 PM
Dcesased 4 - 6 - DC's version of Marvel Zombies comes to an end with humanity fucking off to a different planet and leaving Earth filled with the infected, presumably so they can carry on cashing in on the idea. There were some vaguely fun moments as beloved heroes went evil and murderous, but most of the time it was bland shite and I'm not sure why I bothered to read it all.

Tales from the Dark Multiverse: Death of Superman - Yet more Elseworlds style grim dark DC nonsense, I gave this a shot as it's by Jeff Loveness who wrote for the Miracle Workers tv series and is involved in the next series of Rick and Morty, but like Dceased I wish I hadn't bothered. The idea is that after Superman was killed by Doomsday back in the 80's Lois Lane obtains his powers, and in a grief filled rage decides to help humanity by ending all wars, killing all the villains and doing lots of shit supposedly to make the world a better place. She doesn't, it's all a bit rubbish, and a tale which really didn't need to be told at all.

The Immortal Hulk 25 - Fucking stunning. The most ambitious instalment yet, and a deranged, insane read that I loved, this has easily been my favourite series of 2019.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on November 07, 2019, 12:06:34 PM
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on October 31, 2019, 05:43:28 PM
Dcesased 4 - 6 - DC's version of Marvel Zombies comes to an end with humanity fucking off to a different planet and leaving Earth filled with the infected, presumably so they can carry on cashing in on the idea. There were some vaguely fun moments as beloved heroes went evil and murderous, but most of the time it was bland shite and I'm not sure why I bothered to read it all.

Tales from the Dark Multiverse: Death of Superman - Yet more Elseworlds style grim dark DC nonsense, I gave this a shot as it's by Jeff Loveness who wrote for the Miracle Workers tv series and is involved in the next series of Rick and Morty, but like Dceased I wish I hadn't bothered. The idea is that after Superman was killed by Doomsday back in the 80's Lois Lane obtains his powers, and in a grief filled rage decides to help humanity by ending all wars, killing all the villains and doing lots of shit supposedly to make the world a better place. She doesn't, it's all a bit rubbish, and a tale which really didn't need to be told at all.

I really wasted money on these. For the amount of conclusion it gives, DCeased may as well have had a first page saying "The adventure continues in DCeased 2" followed by blank pages. And the less said about that daft Lois thing the better.
What is it about DC and its grimdark fetish?


The Immortal Hulk 25 - Fucking stunning. The most ambitious instalment yet, and a deranged, insane read that I loved, this has easily been my favourite series of 2019.
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I will venture over to this on that recommendation.
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Post by: Small Man Big Horse on November 07, 2019, 07:59:59 PM
Quote from: kidsick5000 on November 07, 2019, 12:06:34 PM
I really wasted money on these. For the amount of conclusion it gives, DCeased may as well have had a first page saying "The adventure continues in DCeased 2" followed by blank pages. And the less said about that daft Lois thing the better.
What is it about DC and its grimdark fetish?

I have to confess to not paying for either, and would have been really fucked off if I had. And yeah, the grim dark side of things is horribly tedious, and I wish they'd quit it too.

QuoteI will venture over to this on that recommendation.

For it to make any sense you need to read Ewing's run on the series since issue 1, but it is worth it as it's a lot of fun.
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Post by: Mister Six on November 08, 2019, 04:59:48 AM
Ploughed through The Invisibles book two, which was a treat as I only vaguely remembered much of it. This is the point that Phil Jiminez jumps on board, Morrison shakes off the early uneasiness and the series embraces its pop-punk spy drama side, ramping up the explosions and craziness and dialling down the long scenes of expeditionary chin-stroking. Great, frequently rather affecting stuff that I'm appreciating even more thanks to that King Mobcast podcast, which breaks down exactly how Morrison cribbed from took inspiration from other authors. I'd forgotten how epic the rescue of King Mob is, and how much fun Morrison obviously had with the Division X bits. Steve Yeowell's art for the climax of the story is shocking, though - odd, since his work in the first four issues was perfect.

Still, though, you get shit like this from Jiminez:

(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Pfruj83arh0/VxEqWVOLQWI/AAAAAAAADqM/6gS6t1CPEn0mOWNHRU-qcHWLyMPKXExkgCCo/s0-Ic42/RCO002.jpg)

Click on it for the full-size version. Gorgeous.

Also read Shade, The Changing Girl vol. 2: Little Runaway. Alas, after a promising first volume, this one pisses it all away. The scripts have this weird staginess in which nobody has proper conversations, and instead people all speak in short, declarative sentences, typically stating outright the themes and observations that a better writer would work organically into the story. Look at the barflies' comments here, for example:

(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-vt2-y-we44U/WVztjQFfduI/AAAAAAAADic/TCwyJNgGEvA9WtN1Hojt7cRFETTb8Q-MQCHMYCw/s0/RCO013.jpg)

Who are they talking to? Why? Everyone speaks like this, and it renders all of the drama so inert. None of these people seem real, none of their interactions are convincing, so why care?

That spare, flat art style isn't particularly engaging either. There's the occasional formally interesting page, such as a two-page spread designed to look like a board game, but they always feel rather half-baked, like nobody could be bothered putting in the effort to really make them sing:

(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-bbe3YCTe8qg/WVztiNgmLrI/AAAAAAAADiM/KDpS3MXbWM44fX9a3L4lof-XTP-C-beugCHMYCw/s0/RCO009.jpg)

But I dunno, maybe I'm just an old fart. I did like it when Shade proper turned up and it started looking kind of like a pastiche of Brendan McCarthy's old covers for the Milligan series, but there wasn't enough of that, and it was wasted on a story that didn't have the heft to justify it, sadly.

(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-y_J5yDahVcU/WrxGCeLKQAI/AAAAAAAAfvw/4zxpObKrq9YBqOVn5bzX-Nuw84X0HQJ2QCHMYCw/s0/RCO016.jpg)
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Post by: madhair60 on November 08, 2019, 08:25:03 AM
I read the new Locke & Key one-shot. Incredibly frivolous, extremely brief read. But there's a little epilogue story in there which put a big, BIG smile on my face.

Christ I loved Locke & Key.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on November 08, 2019, 08:53:23 AM
Quote from: madhair60 on November 08, 2019, 08:25:03 AM
I read the new Locke & Key one-shot. Incredibly frivolous, extremely brief read. But there's a little epilogue story in there which put a big, BIG smile on my face.

Christ I loved Locke & Key.

Me too! Will be getting this over the weekend.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on November 08, 2019, 09:53:38 AM
Quote from: Mister Six on November 08, 2019, 04:59:48 AM
Ploughed through The Invisibles book two, which was a treat as I only vaguely remembered much of it. This is the point that Phil Jiminez jumps on board, Morrison shakes off the early uneasiness and the series embraces its pop-punk spy drama side, ramping up the explosions and craziness and dialling down the long scenes of expeditionary chin-stroking. Great, frequently rather affecting stuff that I'm appreciating even more thanks to that King Mobcast podcast, which breaks down exactly how Morrison cribbed from took inspiration from other authors. I'd forgotten how epic the rescue of King Mob is, and how much fun Morrison obviously had with the Division X bits. Steve Yeowell's art for the climax of the story is shocking, though - odd, since his work in the first four issues was perfect.

Still, though, you get shit like this from Jiminez:

(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Pfruj83arh0/VxEqWVOLQWI/AAAAAAAADqM/6gS6t1CPEn0mOWNHRU-qcHWLyMPKXExkgCCo/s0-Ic42/RCO002.jpg)

Click on it for the full-size version. Gorgeous.

Also read Shade, The Changing Girl vol. 2: Little Runaway. Alas, after a promising first volume, this one pisses it all away. The scripts have this weird staginess in which nobody has proper conversations, and instead people all speak in short, declarative sentences, typically stating outright the themes and observations that a better writer would work organically into the story. Look at the barflies' comments here, for example:

(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-vt2-y-we44U/WVztjQFfduI/AAAAAAAADic/TCwyJNgGEvA9WtN1Hojt7cRFETTb8Q-MQCHMYCw/s0/RCO013.jpg)

Who are they talking to? Why? Everyone speaks like this, and it renders all of the drama so inert. None of these people seem real, none of their interactions are convincing, so why care?

That spare, flat art style isn't particularly engaging either. There's the occasional formally interesting page, such as a two-page spread designed to look like a board game, but they always feel rather half-baked, like nobody could be bothered putting in the effort to really make them sing:

(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-bbe3YCTe8qg/WVztiNgmLrI/AAAAAAAADiM/KDpS3MXbWM44fX9a3L4lof-XTP-C-beugCHMYCw/s0/RCO009.jpg)

But I dunno, maybe I'm just an old fart. I did like it when Shade proper turned up and it started looking kind of like a pastiche of Brendan McCarthy's old covers for the Milligan series, but there wasn't enough of that, and it was wasted on a story that didn't have the heft to justify it, sadly.

(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-y_J5yDahVcU/WrxGCeLKQAI/AAAAAAAAfvw/4zxpObKrq9YBqOVn5bzX-Nuw84X0HQJ2QCHMYCw/s0/RCO016.jpg)

That's a great post there, I gave up on Shade The Changing Girl after a few issues as I was struggling with it, and didn't like the new Shade - when does the old one turn up, out of interest, as I'll probably read those issues such is my fondness for him.
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Post by: kidsick5000 on November 10, 2019, 08:50:18 PM
Do you think the Shade art is aiming for that Chris Ware graphic stillness?
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Post by: Mister Six on November 11, 2019, 04:48:39 AM
I don't think so. Her lines are sketchy (though it's less obvious in these pages) and lack Ware's meticulous precision.

Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on November 08, 2019, 09:53:38 AM
That's a great post there, I gave up on Shade The Changing Girl after a few issues as I was struggling with it, and didn't like the new Shade - when does the old one turn up, out of interest, as I'll probably read those issues such is my fondness for him.

Cheers. Old Shade is glimpsed in an earlier issue with one of those Madness circles covering his face, but doesn't appear as a character proper until issue 12, which is also the last issue of The Changing Girl (it was relaunched as Shade The Changing Woman). It's only for about six pages, though, and isn't particularly interesting. He's portrayed as a fairly detatched and mysterious figure - none of the humanity and vulnerability Milligan imbued him with. I'll fire you a PM with a link to the page in question.
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Post by: ads82 on November 17, 2019, 09:27:01 PM
Currently reading Love and Rockets, the first volume in the Fantagraphics set. It's a good read so far, I'm enjoying the strange, sci-fi B Movie type plots and fun and sweet character of Maggie. The depiction of the women in this comic is way ahead of its time, I wouldn't of guessed it was written by male unless I already knew.

I've also read that the series vastly improves as it continues, so I'm looking forward to going through set and getting immersed in the world.
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Post by: gout_pony on November 17, 2019, 10:13:59 PM
Quote from: ads82 on November 17, 2019, 09:27:01 PM
Currently reading Love and Rockets, the first volume in the Fantagraphics set. It's a good read so far, I'm enjoying the strange, sci-fi B Movie type plots and fun and sweet character of Maggie. The depiction of the women in this comic is way ahead of its time, I wouldn't of guessed it was written by male unless I already knew.

My feeling too... but then I bought it for my then oldest friend, who's a woman, and she thought it was really sexist and male gazey to the point of being angry/disappointed in me. I think, in part, it contributed to her "friend breaking up" with me last year! So now I don't know what to believe!

You have such good stuff ahead of you. Those characters are my friends now.
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Post by: chveik on November 17, 2019, 10:17:11 PM
Quote from: gout_pony on November 17, 2019, 10:13:59 PM
My feeling too... but then I bought it for my then oldest friend, who's a woman, and she thought it was really sexist and male gazey to the point of being angry/disappointed in me. I think, in part, it contributed to her "friend breaking up" with me last year! So now I don't know what to believe!

You have such good stuff ahead of you. Those characters are my friends now.

you should've gone with The Essential Dykes to Watch For, it's in the same ballpark but I suppose it's more difficult to find any sexism in it (a bit much on the soap-opera side in the end, but I enjoyed it)
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Post by: gout_pony on November 17, 2019, 11:01:48 PM
Quote from: chveik on November 17, 2019, 10:17:11 PM
you should've gone with The Essential Dykes to Watch For, it's in the same ballpark but I suppose it's more difficult to find any sexism in it (a bit much on the soap-opera side in the end, but I enjoyed it)

ah I think she already had read and liked that... tbf I do get what she meant about the early Love and Rockets... it can get a little cheesecakey at times. But Los Bros genuinely care about their characters and their psychology. I think they're problematic feminists like Almodovar (and Borowczyk)!
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Post by: Mister Six on November 18, 2019, 12:21:50 AM
Doesn't help that Gilbert has a thing for drawing women with ZZZ cups.
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Post by: Small Man Big Horse on November 19, 2019, 04:13:11 PM
Quote from: Mister Six on November 11, 2019, 04:48:39 AM
I don't think so. Her lines are sketchy (though it's less obvious in these pages) and lack Ware's meticulous precision.

Cheers. Old Shade is glimpsed in an earlier issue with one of those Madness circles covering his face, but doesn't appear as a character proper until issue 12, which is also the last issue of The Changing Girl (it was relaunched as Shade The Changing Woman). It's only for about six pages, though, and isn't particularly interesting. He's portrayed as a fairly detatched and mysterious figure - none of the humanity and vulnerability Milligan imbued him with. I'll fire you a PM with a link to the page in question.

Thanks again for all the info re: this, it was interesting to see Rac again though like you say it's a quite different version to Milligan's. Still, it's nice to see him still out there, and hopefully he'll get his own comic again one day.

Immortal Hulk 26 - One long rant about how humanity is shit and deserves to die. Can't argue with that. It's such an odd book, and completely different from the previous issue, but one I'm extremely fond of, especially as it's a mainstream title doing such unusual things.
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Post by: Custard on November 19, 2019, 09:31:21 PM
I keep waiting for Love and Rockets to be in a Comixology sale, but it never is. Sadly

Deffo on my To Bloody Read ASAP list!
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Post by: Custard on November 19, 2019, 09:46:22 PM
Having said that, I bought physical copies of both Ghost World and A History Of Violence the other day, and devoured both very quickly. I just can't justify the amount of space these books take up in our tiny flat. Mrs Custard will boot my head in
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Post by: gout_pony on November 20, 2019, 12:24:13 AM
Quote from: Shameless Custard on November 19, 2019, 09:31:21 PM
I keep waiting for Love and Rockets to be in a Comixology sale, but it never is. Sadly

Deffo on my To Bloody Read ASAP list!

That's not true! The collections sometimes are! Of course, you can always order all thousands of page of them through your local library service like I did.

Seriously, if you live in Suffolk, I basically asked them to buy all of Love and Rockets and they did!
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Post by: Artie Fufkin on November 20, 2019, 08:25:58 AM
I bought The Girl From H.O.P.P.E.R.S for £2.99 earlier this year....
I only got about a quarter way through before I gave up. Maybe just wasn't in the right mood for it? I will give it another go sometime.
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Post by: gout_pony on November 20, 2019, 02:19:52 PM
Quote from: Artie Fufkin on November 20, 2019, 08:25:58 AM
I bought The Girl From H.O.P.P.E.R.S for £2.99 earlier this year....
I only got about a quarter way through before I gave up. Maybe just wasn't in the right mood for it? I will give it another go sometime.

You might find starting with Gilberto's 'Palomar' comics more to your taste. It's what I did
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Post by: samadriel on November 22, 2019, 11:42:30 AM
I've been eating up a bit of Valiant's output lately on Comixology -- the first XO Manowar and Harbinger omnibuses (omnibi?) -- and I've generally enjoyed it.   XO Manowar is quite a simplistic read, but it's fun seeing an overpowered Visigoth wiping out baddies en masse; I say overpowered, but XOM reminds me of the manga Crying Freeman, in that the lead is openly indestructible and never imperiled for very long, but it's still a lot of fun seeing his superiority play out.  The old-timey dialogue can be pretty corny, but it's not all like that.  Harbinger is a very different experience, it's more sophisticated than XOM (not that that's saying much), and it's kind of an expy for X-Men, but with more intense suffering among its leads, and a more complicated Magneto figure.  It also reminded me of Akira a little bit, with its focus on sometimes-creepy psychic powers.  Looking forward to reading more Harbinger, and tucking into Archer and Armstrong and Ninjak, both of which I've heard good things about.  And yes, I am very late to this party.  Can someone tell me if the 2017 XOM series is a reboot?  That'd disappoint me, I didn't start from the ground floor just to see a reboot published five years in...

Also got started on Immortal Hulk, having read such good words about recent issues from SMBH.  It seems to be tapping into Hulk's horror roots a bit, which is quite different for me -- my only previous Hulk experience is Charles Soule's fun She-Hulk books.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on November 22, 2019, 12:28:42 PM
Quote from: samadriel on November 22, 2019, 11:42:30 AM
I've been eating up a bit of Valiant's output lately on Comixology -- the first XO Manowar and Harbinger omnibuses (omnibi?) -- and I've generally enjoyed it.   XO Manowar is quite a simplistic read, but it's fun seeing an overpowered Visigoth wiping out baddies en masse; I say overpowered, but XOM reminds me of the manga Crying Freeman, in that the lead is openly indestructible and never imperiled for very long, but it's still a lot of fun seeing his superiority play out.  The old-timey dialogue can be pretty corny, but it's not all like that.  Harbinger is a very different experience, it's more sophisticated than XOM (not that that's saying much), and it's kind of an expy for X-Men, but with more intense suffering among its leads, and a more complicated Magneto figure.  It also reminded me of Akira a little bit, with its focus on sometimes-creepy psychic powers.  Looking forward to reading more Harbinger, and tucking into Archer and Armstrong and Ninjak, both of which I've heard good things about.  And yes, I am very late to this party.  Can someone tell me if the 2017 XOM series is a reboot?  That'd disappoint me, I didn't start from the ground floor just to see a reboot published five years in...

Also got started on Immortal Hulk, having read such good words about recent issues from SMBH.  It seems to be tapping into Hulk's horror roots a bit, which is quite different for me -- my only previous Hulk experience is Charles Soule's fun She-Hulk books.

I hope you enjoy the Immortal Hulk, and it definitely heads down the horror road, I remember a couple of patchy issues (possibly 11 or 12, but I might be wrong) but then there's a real return to form and I'm loving what Ewing's doing with the title now.
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Post by: Custard on November 26, 2019, 09:15:30 AM
Immortal Hulk - Volume 1 is 69p on Comixology, just for today!

http://www.comixology.com/Immortal-Hulk-Vol-1-Or-Is-He-Both/digital-comic/713013
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: samadriel on November 26, 2019, 11:20:18 AM
Aw, talk about bad timing...  but yeah, buy it folks.
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Post by: Custard on November 27, 2019, 11:52:08 AM
Today's 69p deal is the rather decent first volume of Stumptown

http://www.comixology.com/Stumptown-Vol-1/digital-comic/41232
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on November 27, 2019, 03:17:04 PM
The new version of Hellblazer launched today, it's okay, far better than anything that's featured Constantine since the original run came to an end, but I don't know, something felt a bit off about John's characterisation. The jokes he's telling at the beginning were weak, and I didn't find him to be the amiable bastard he normally is, I'll give it a few more issues to see if it improves but it's a disappointing beginning even if it is swearier and more horrific than it's been in a fair while.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on November 27, 2019, 04:27:38 PM
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on November 27, 2019, 03:17:04 PM
The new version of Hellblazer launched today, it's okay, far better than anything that's featured Constantine since the original run came to an end, but I don't know, something felt a bit off about John's characterisation. The jokes he's telling at the beginning were weak, and I didn't find him to be the amiable bastard he normally is, I'll give it a few more issues to see if it improves but it's a disappointing beginning even if it is swearier and more horrific than it's been in a fair while.

Who's doing this run, SMBH?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on November 27, 2019, 04:39:55 PM
Quote from: Artie Fufkin on November 27, 2019, 04:27:38 PM
Who's doing this run, SMBH?

It's by Simon Spurrier with (impressive) art from Aaron Campbell. Can't say I was familiar with either beforehand though apparently Spurrier's done a fair bit of work for 2000AD in the past.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on November 27, 2019, 04:44:58 PM
I've enjoyesd Spurrier in the past, tbf.
Will check it out.
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Post by: Small Man Big Horse on November 27, 2019, 04:50:49 PM
Quote from: Artie Fufkin on November 27, 2019, 04:44:58 PM
I've enjoyesd Spurrier in the past, tbf.
Will check it out.

It wasn't meant as a dig in any way, just that I wasn't aware of him. And I've just discovered that they did a one shot last month before launching the series properly, I've no idea why but it's probably worth checking out as well.

Oh, and it's part of something called The Sandman Universe, though I'm out of touch with what's going on with DC these days so don't know what that consists of (other than the obvious).
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on November 27, 2019, 04:58:07 PM
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on November 27, 2019, 04:50:49 PM
It wasn't meant as a dig in any way

And I wasn't suggesting it was.
Thanks for the heads up on this.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on November 27, 2019, 05:50:27 PM
Ah, sorry, misunderstood the "tbf" thing, it doesn't take much to confuse me these days! And I hope you enjoy it more than I do, it's not that it's bad, and the story is an intriguing one, but I just didn't feel they quite get John. Then again I'm still annoyed that they're back to featuring the young version in the DC Universe, I miss the old one a great deal and wish they'd restart the original series at issue 301.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on November 27, 2019, 06:35:35 PM
Ideally restart the original series pretending nobody wrote it after Carey left. And get China Mieville on board as the writer.

The Sandman Universe seems to be another sub-brand that basically encompasses the early non-creator-owned Veritgo titles like Hellblazer and Books of Magic. More managerial fuckuppery from the DC suits.
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Post by: Spiteface on November 28, 2019, 08:38:08 PM
Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers just got more interesting this week.

Kiya, the 4th member of the Omega Rangers looked into Jason's memories of Shattered Grid, pre-universe reset. Saw him fighting Lord Drakkon, she then meets the main Ranger team in earth, sees Tommy in his White ranger suit and is TRIGGERED. Now she's gone and murdered the Blue Emissary, has basically turned heel and wants to kill Tommy Oliver because he might become Lord Drakkon again. In spite of being told that Drakkon was an anomaly compared to Tommys from other universes.

Prior to this, the Omega Rangers took out Lord Zedd. This should be a good thing, but now Zordon's worried something worse is coming because the Omega Rangers have escalated things in doing what they did. Guessing possibly Master Vile (season 3 villain, Rita's dad), Machine Empire (the villain faction from Zeo) or Dark Specter (Zedd's boss, head of the United Alliance of Evil).
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: H-O-W-L on November 28, 2019, 08:45:52 PM
I've been reading Brubaker's run of Catwoman. It's really, really good up until Jimmy Palmiotti and Paul Gulacy take over the art and then the visual style becomes complete shit. I mean just look at this shit:

(https://i.imgur.com/CizZ5tV.jpg)

From beautiful, pastel-like, evocative, and smooth to complete shit.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: H-O-W-L on November 28, 2019, 08:47:49 PM
God I fucking love Darwyn Cooke's art so fucking muchhhh.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on December 04, 2019, 06:06:47 PM
Quote from: Mister Six on November 27, 2019, 06:35:35 PM
Ideally restart the original series pretending nobody wrote it after Carey left. And get China Mieville on board as the writer.

The Sandman Universe seems to be another sub-brand that basically encompasses the early non-creator-owned Veritgo titles like Hellblazer and Books of Magic. More managerial fuckuppery from the DC suits.

Speaking of which I read Books Of Magic 14 last night while suffering from insomnia, perhaps it was due to exhaustion but I found it laughably shit, where a poorly written John Constantine decides to feed Tim Hunter to some cannibals as he might turn out evil when he grows up, but then Hunter manages to get out it somewhat predictably. It was the first time I'd had anything to do with Hunter since the original Books Of Magic mini-series, and will probably be the last time now.

Batman 84 - Tom King's penultimate issue on the series sees Bats finally confront his Dad (from a parallel universe) for killing Alfred, but rather than that happening we get a bunch of flashbacks explaining how Thomas Wayne did it all so that Bruce would quit being Batman and be happy instead. I truly don't care at this point, and am just looking forward to King's run ending so I can stop reading the bloody thing, it's had it's moments but the ending is going to have to be stunning for it to be all worthwhile and I'd be amazed if it was.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Sex Festival Organizer on December 04, 2019, 07:37:38 PM
Anyone read The Black Monday Murders? I've had my eye on the two volumes for a long time, and lo and behold, today they were 50% off on Comixology, so I took the plunge. I've been buying a lot of ho-hum stuff in the same vein on there lately (Abbott, Gideon Falls (actually pretty good, but I won't be buying the third volume), Harrow County) so I hope this will actually turn out to be proper good.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on December 05, 2019, 08:55:32 AM
Quote from: Sex Festival Organizer on December 04, 2019, 07:37:38 PM
I've been buying a lot of ho-hum stuff in the same vein on there lately (Abbott,
I read the first issue of Abbott. I liked it. Did you like the first issue, and it went downhill. Or did you not think much of any of it?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: mikeyg27 on December 05, 2019, 11:17:03 AM
Quote from: Sex Festival Organizer on December 04, 2019, 07:37:38 PM
Anyone read The Black Monday Murders? I've had my eye on the two volumes for a long time, and lo and behold, today they were 50% off on Comixology, so I took the plunge. I've been buying a lot of ho-hum stuff in the same vein on there lately (Abbott, Gideon Falls (actually pretty good, but I won't be buying the third volume), Harrow County) so I hope this will actually turn out to be proper good.

I read the first volume and it's right up my street, but if you're familiar with Hickman's Image work it won't be a massive revelation or anything - The Nightly News is very high on my list of favourite ever series and TBMM in many ways is just subbing out News Media with Big Finance. I wish Hickman would draw a book again.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on December 05, 2019, 11:58:49 AM
Quote from: mikeyg27 on December 05, 2019, 11:17:03 AM
The Nightly News is very high on my list of favourite ever series

I have had this in my 'to read' pile for AGES.




Great story, huh?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Sex Festival Organizer on December 05, 2019, 06:13:39 PM
Quote from: Artie Fufkin on December 05, 2019, 08:55:32 AM
I read the first issue of Abbott. I liked it. Did you like the first issue, and it went downhill. Or did you not think much of any of it?

I basically thought all the issues were equally average, even though the artwork was pretty good, and the setting and protagonist were quite cool. My main problem was just that the overall story didn't really grab me (and I thought it went too quickly to all out supernatural demonic horror and glowing-eyed, ceremonial blade-wielding maniacs; a slow burn would have been better, IMHO). But if you liked the first issue, I'd say there's a good chance you'd like the rest, as it's more of the same.

Quote from: mikeyg27 on December 05, 2019, 11:17:03 AM
I read the first volume and it's right up my street, but if you're familiar with Hickman's Image work it won't be a massive revelation or anything - The Nightly News is very high on my list of favourite ever series and TBMM in many ways is just subbing out News Media with Big Finance. I wish Hickman would draw a book again.

Not familiar with Hickman, Image work or otherwise, but sounds good. I read a few sample pages from the first issue a long time ago and liked it a lot, so I'm looking forward to reading the whole thing. And the synopsis makes it sound right up my street too...
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on December 06, 2019, 08:01:15 AM
Hickman is great. His run on Avengers is just outstanding.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on December 06, 2019, 08:01:58 AM
Quote from: Sex Festival Organizer on December 05, 2019, 06:13:39 PM
But if you liked the first issue, I'd say there's a good chance you'd like the rest, as it's more of the same.


*thumb*
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Sex Festival Organizer on December 06, 2019, 08:06:46 PM
In other news, I'm currently reading Sucker Bait and Other Stories, a collection of EC Comics horror stories illustrated by Graham Ingels, perhaps better known as «Ghastly», and with an instantly recognizable style. And while the writing is often pretty ropey, Ingels's drawings never fail to amuse, be they of gentlemen of evil intent clawing helplessly at their own throat as they are slowly strangled to death by a rotting corpse, sultry vixens with massive bazongas lounging seductively on fancy loveseats, or a decaying zombie elephant chasing their former tormentor across the circus ring and slamming them again and again and again against the sawdust until they're nothing but a fine red mist wafting gently in the popcorn-infused air. In short, great fun, especially as I practically grew up on this stuff.

Reprints, of course, I'm not that fucking old.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: samadriel on December 12, 2019, 12:55:14 PM
If you look in the comixology sales, there's an Animal Man omnibus (Morrison's run) going cheap. Apparently it's book 1 of 2, but I don't see book 2 anywhere yet.

Oh yes, and the Witcher Library edition is a good deal in the sales also, collects the other Witcher books affordably.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Custard on December 13, 2019, 04:06:47 PM
Is Animal Man decent then?

I don't usually like meta stuff like the character suddenly realising he's a character. That can get in ditch
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Custard on December 13, 2019, 04:18:56 PM
Both Joelle Jones' Lady Killer books are 3 squid each, and I'd highly recommend them for a bit of pulpy, daft fun. Her art is gorgeous
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on December 13, 2019, 06:46:56 PM
Quote from: Shameless Custard on December 13, 2019, 04:06:47 PM
Is Animal Man decent then?

I don't usually like meta stuff like the character suddenly realising he's a character. That can get in ditch

Morrison's run on Animal Man is one of my favourite ever comics, there is a meta element right at the end but most of the time it's just a very unusual take on superhero life.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Custard on December 13, 2019, 07:07:26 PM
Ah cool, will give it a go
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: magval on December 13, 2019, 08:55:54 PM
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on December 13, 2019, 06:46:56 PM
Morrison's run on Animal Man is one of my favourite ever comics, there is a meta element right at the end but most of the time it's just a very unusual take on superhero life.

One of my favourite endings in all fiction. Tears thinking about it sometimes.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on December 18, 2019, 01:08:44 PM
Doomsday Clock 12 - So laughably bad I don't know where to begin. Or if it's worth it as I doubt anyone else reads this nonsense. But ultimately just before Doctor Manhattan is ready for Superman to be murdered while he stands around not doing a thing, good old Supes saves his life, and so Manhattan realises that he's lovely and sexy and everything and saves the day, and it ultimately has a "Love / heroism is all you need" kind of message. One of the worst miniseries I've ever read I truly hope Alan Moore never sees it as he'll either explode in anger or die laughing at how utterly shit it is.

Batman 85 - And so Tom King's run on the series comes to an end with Batman getting a happy ending. Aw. Shame it was such a dull read, and it's impossible to get excited by the idea of Bruce being all loved up now he's coupled up with Catwoman as everyone knows the next writer (or the one after that) will split them up. Tom King's written a good few great series, but this really wasn't one of them.

Fucking hell, I really need to give up reading mainstream DC and get back to decent indie comics again before I lose faith in the genre.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Old Gold Tooth on December 18, 2019, 01:16:41 PM
Shame to hear Tom King's run ends up turning to shit, I'm on the 5th or 6th trade and enjoying it so far.

I recently read the first two issues of The Batman's Grave by Warren Ellis and really liked them. A queasy and off-kilter murder story shot through with bleak humour. Also proper stripped back in terms of characters, and as a result it has one of the best interpretations of Alfred I've read in years.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: samadriel on December 21, 2019, 05:43:05 PM
Just finished the latest Immortal Hulk trade (up to issue 25). I realised, after reading about the series online, I've had a few handicaps reading this series - I didn't pick up that the Devil figure is actually named "The One Below All". I thought Ewing was just being coy all this time and never giving it a name, "one below all" being just another bit of fruity language. I probably would have picked up on it if I knew about the One Above All, but I don't know much about Marvel cosmology. So I wish I'd been able to put the name to the "face". My greater problem, and this is bad because it crops up at nearly every climactic moment of the series - I have no idea which Hulk I'm looking at whenever he shows up. Joe is nice and obvious because of his speech and manner, but according to the supplemental stuff I've read online, reviews and synopses and stuff, there's Savage Hulk (presumably the vanilla Hulk) ; there's... several intelligent or super-intelligent Hulks that I don't think have showed up, but I'm not sure; the comic has made several references to a "Devil Hulk", but as far as I can tell, Devil Hulk is a nice, articulate Hulk who doesn't have any ill will towards Banner -- is this nice articulate Hulk the Devil Hulk, or did I just get that confused? You can't blame me for feeling mixed up -- they could at least have made Devil Hulk orange or something, so I don't have to rely on the subtle speech differences between several inarticulate, violent monsters who all share the one body.

Because of this problem distinguishing between Hulks that are violent because they are possessed, and Hulks that are violent because Hulks are usually violent, I didn't really grasp that the Banner at the end of the universe was actually a vessel of The One Below All. And thus, I didn't interpret issue 25 as being a universe crushed by the OBA, I thought it was just Hulk being Hulk on a Galactus scale.

It's still a really great series, and I'll probably break my trade-waiting and buy individual issues just to keep up (quite a statement coming from me), but there are minor story-telling flaws I've occasionally had to barrel through.  Now that I type about it, I should've known about the OBA thing in issues 24 and 25, but I just didn't have that character in my head, after Devil Hulk had spent so long being un-devilish.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on December 28, 2019, 12:25:27 AM
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on December 18, 2019, 01:08:44 PM
Doomsday Clock 12 - So laughably bad I don't know where to begin. Or if it's worth it as I doubt anyone else reads this nonsense.

That was a tough read.
It took two years to tell a story that feels likes DC gave up on being of any consequence a Long time back.
Should have been six issues at most



Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Spiteface on December 28, 2019, 08:59:59 PM
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on December 18, 2019, 01:08:44 PM
Doomsday Clock 12 - So laughably bad I don't know where to begin. Or if it's worth it as I doubt anyone else reads this nonsense. But ultimately just before Doctor Manhattan is ready for Superman to be murdered while he stands around not doing a thing, good old Supes saves his life, and so Manhattan realises that he's lovely and sexy and everything and saves the day, and it ultimately has a "Love / heroism is all you need" kind of message. One of the worst miniseries I've ever read I truly hope Alan Moore never sees it as he'll either explode in anger or die laughing at how utterly shit it is.

Batman 85 - And so Tom King's run on the series comes to an end with Batman getting a happy ending. Aw. Shame it was such a dull read, and it's impossible to get excited by the idea of Bruce being all loved up now he's coupled up with Catwoman as everyone knows the next writer (or the one after that) will split them up. Tom King's written a good few great series, but this really wasn't one of them.

The last part of "Last Knight on Earth" came out that week. THAT was the conclusion to a Batman run that I was more into. I enjoyed how from his New 52 stuff, Eternal, Metal and going into this, Scott Snyder just wanted to go more "out there" and it's always interesting to see how a writer sees the "last" Batman story (this is basically the finale to his run with Greg Capullo that started with the New 52).
Of course Power Rangers is still holding my attention. Enjoying that the main MMPR title acknowledges how much of a glory-hogging dick White Ranger Tommy kinda was, and it seems the current team are about to find out who the Omega rangers are.
Over in Go Go Power Rangers, we're getting the explanation for why Jason, Zack & Trini got picked to be the Omega team, and Tommy's journey to gaining the "White Light" to become a ranger again (Go Go is currently set after the green powers have been lost and Tommy leaves the team for a while).

I really want Boom! to do a comic about one of the other teams though. It's a big gripe of a lot of PR fans that there has been too much focus on MMPR nostalgia, aside from the appearances in Shattered Grid of future teams. An RPM title would be awesome.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Pinckle Wicker on January 17, 2020, 06:59:57 AM
I have been reading the excellent and epic Age of Bronze recently, by Eric Shanower.This covers the infamous Siege of Troy and Trojan War in a very a detailed story arc of  all the main characters involved in fantastic artwork.  It is also very humorous as well as intriguing and has had me hooked right up to the latest issue, there is a lot there and I think there is a good bit more to come out still.
This is from their website:
QuoteAGE OF BRONZE, the continuing graphic novel series by Eisner Award-winning cartoonist Eric Shanower, presents the complete story of the world-famous War at Troy, freshly retold for the 21st century. All the drama of the ancient and thrilling tradition unfolds before your eyes, with all the familiar people and events of the Trojan


Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on January 20, 2020, 10:45:25 PM
Quote from: Mister Six on October 22, 2019, 04:48:08 PM
Hooray! Let us know what you think of the ending.
Blimey O'Reilly. Just finished it (The Boys). I'm gonna need a couple of days to process that. But right now, that was just bloody awesome. Perfect ending.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on January 20, 2020, 10:51:33 PM
Now I have the last 11 issues of Gotham Central to read. Which I started about 5 years ago. Kinda wanna start all over again.....
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on January 22, 2020, 04:16:05 AM
Quote from: Artie Fufkin on January 20, 2020, 10:45:25 PM
Blimey O%u2019Reilly. Just finished it (The Boys). I%u2019m gonna need a couple of days to process that. But right now, that was just bloody awesome. Perfect ending.

Hooray! Glad you liked it. I think it's probably the best ending Ennis has ever written.

I'd probably read GC from the start. It's one of those comics that hasn't got old, to me.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on January 22, 2020, 02:54:15 PM
Quote from: Mister Six on January 22, 2020, 04:16:05 AM
Hooray! Glad you liked it. I think it's probably the best ending Ennis has ever written.

So good! I even welled up a couple of times. Some very nice timey-wimey stuff at the end. Very clever.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on January 22, 2020, 02:56:55 PM
Quote from: Mister Six on January 22, 2020, 04:16:05 AM
I'd probably read GC from the start. It's one of those comics that hasn't got old, to me.
You're right, of course. However I'm ploughing on. Got about 5 issues to go now. I've really enjoyed it. Really nice angle to the whole DC Universe.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on January 22, 2020, 10:38:40 PM
I felt very cheated when the Gotham TV show turned out to not be an adaptation of Gotham Central at all.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on January 23, 2020, 12:39:14 PM
Quote from: Mister Six on January 22, 2020, 10:38:40 PM
I felt very cheated when the Gotham TV show turned out to not be an adaptation of Gotham Central at all.
Is it good, though? Never watched it.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: madhair60 on January 23, 2020, 01:39:50 PM
Yeah it's very good trash.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on January 23, 2020, 02:26:26 PM
The first few episodes were shit so I dropped out but I've heard it does indeed become great trash TV as it goes along.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: madhair60 on January 24, 2020, 11:27:54 PM
And right on time... new miniseries!

(https://i.imgur.com/GBrJxwA.png)
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on January 25, 2020, 01:50:29 AM
Whaaaaaa....!
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on January 27, 2020, 11:10:50 AM
Just when I thought I'd finished it!!
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on January 27, 2020, 11:12:22 AM
Slightly, not disappointed exactly, but something like that, with the end of Gotham Central. I mostly enjoyed it very much. But the ending? Meh.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Urinal Cake on January 27, 2020, 11:44:44 AM
I started reading Jojo's Bizarre Adventure because of the memes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8POA9lIcHjE. It is pretty hilarious and inventive.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on January 27, 2020, 01:47:41 PM
Quote from: Artie Fufkin on January 27, 2020, 11:12:22 AM
Slightly, not disappointed exactly, but something like that, with the end of Gotham Central. I mostly enjoyed it very much. But the ending? Meh.

I felt the same. The result of hastily wrapping up a series that had no planned ending because two thirds of the creative team had fucked off to Marvel with exclusive contracts, IIRC. Renee goes on to become The Question in 52 (which is scrappy but fun) and Crispus becomes the new Spectre in his own miniseries (which is dogshit).
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on January 27, 2020, 02:43:07 PM
Quote from: Mister Six on January 27, 2020, 01:47:41 PM
I felt the same. The result of hastily wrapping up a series that had no planned ending because two thirds of the creative team had fucked off to Marvel with exclusive contracts, IIRC. Renee goes on to become The Question in 52 (which is scrappy but fun) and Crispus becomes the new Spectre in his own miniseries (which is dogshit).
Ah. Righto. Thanks for that info.
I'm now about to make a start on Warren Ellis' Global Frequency.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on January 27, 2020, 07:52:22 PM
I found that a bit hit and miss, but the hits were great. Download the US pilot episode too. I wish Netflix or someone would take a crack at reviving that.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: BeardFaceMan on January 27, 2020, 08:56:14 PM
I share Ennis' disdain for superheroes so The Boys is as close to a perfect comic book series that I'm ever going to get, its great. More Boys? Yes please. Although it does look like this new series is going to be some kitchen sink thing like the Heartland oneshot he did for Hellblazer. Which would be a bit disappointing.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on January 27, 2020, 09:36:01 PM
Quote from: Mister Six on January 27, 2020, 07:52:22 PM
I found that a bit hit and miss, but the hits were great. Download the US pilot episode too. I wish Netflix or someone would take a crack at reviving that.
Global Frequency pilot? I'll certainly be checking THAT out.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on January 27, 2020, 10:10:24 PM
Quite a lot better than the issue that inspired it, I think. Ellis was hamstrung by his own one-issue-per-story conceit.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on February 11, 2020, 08:23:08 AM
Quote from: Mister Six on January 27, 2020, 07:52:22 PM
I found that a bit hit and miss, but the hits were great. Download the US pilot episode too. I wish Netflix or someone would take a crack at reviving that.
Yeah, Global Frequency VERY hit and miss. The hits slightly outweigh the misses, though. Overall, a good yarn. I watched the first 10 minutes of the pilot you mentioned, but the stream was too crap. I will try again.

I'm now half-way through All-Star Superman. I've never really read Superman before. And I'm just not getting this. Is it a pastiche? Tongue in cheek? Am I missing something? It's supposed to be amazing, yes?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: madhair60 on February 11, 2020, 10:31:24 AM
I found it just a really joyous piece of comic art and writing, to be honest.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: samadriel on February 11, 2020, 11:29:25 AM
Quote from: Artie Fufkin on February 11, 2020, 08:23:08 AM
I'm now half-way through All-Star Superman. I've never really read Superman before. And I'm just not getting this. Is it a pastiche? Tongue in cheek? Am I missing something? It's supposed to be amazing, yes?

I found it to be pretty damn good a few pages back, it's a shame you're halfway through and it still hasn't clicked (I was pretty happy by the halfway point). It's definitely not tongue in cheek, although issues like the Bizarro adventure can be downright funny. It's really Morrison and Quitely reveling in all the crazy Silver Age shit that makes Supes a fun guy to read about, all cosmically overpowered and blessed with the courage, power and intelligence to do almost anything.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on February 11, 2020, 12:46:08 PM
Quote from: madhair60 on February 11, 2020, 10:31:24 AM
I found it just a really joyous piece of comic art and writing, to be honest.
Quote from: samadriel on February 11, 2020, 11:29:25 AM
I found it to be pretty damn good a few pages back, it's a shame you're halfway through and it still hasn't clicked (I was pretty happy by the halfway point). It's definitely not tongue in cheek, although issues like the Bizarro adventure can be downright funny. It's really Morrison and Quitely reveling in all the crazy Silver Age shit that makes Supes a fun guy to read about, all cosmically overpowered and blessed with the courage, power and intelligence to do almost anything.
Quitely's art work, as always, is brilliant. Maybe I haven't gone into it with the right frame of mind. I'm just about to start issue 6.
Spoiler alert
Supes has just been to see Lex in prison.
[close]
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on February 11, 2020, 02:01:23 PM
Another All-Star Superman fan here. You have to look at it as a completely earnest love letter to Superman and what he represents. Morrison has been on a post-ironic, ultra-sincere kick for a couple of decades now and it doesn't look like it's going to end soon. The bombastic dialogue is just something Morrison likes to roll out from time to time, especially when he's doing comics in the style of those 1960s Jack Kirby-era yarns.

I'd suggest re-reading with that in mind and seeing if it clicks any better before you get to the other stuff.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: samadriel on February 11, 2020, 02:33:50 PM
Perfect time to ask: where should I begin with, and navigate through, Morrison's Batman output? I don't know which books are his and which aren't (he had a few, right? Something called Batman RIP at some point? And was he writing for the main title? And is Detective Comics the main title? I know nothing about how the big two manage multi-title characters), but I like buying big omnibus editions of stuff on comixology, so if anyone can describe the shape of the Morrison Bat-world to me, I'll inevitably buy it all in the next sale and tuck in.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on February 11, 2020, 03:44:45 PM
Someone has given a list of the Morrison trades in order here, with additional suggestions for contemporaneous books by other writers that fit into the continuity that Morrison established: https://www.reddit.com/r/DCcomics/comments/7b9rqp/comics_proper_reading_order_for_grant_morrison

It looks solid to me, although I've not read all of the run, and haven't read them since they were originally published. Definitely don't skip Final Crisis, which is (as the person says) dense but rewarding.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: samadriel on February 11, 2020, 04:02:14 PM
Many thanks Six, I'll make good use of that. Hey, did you ever get a chance to read Battle Angel Alita? I recall you wanting to a long time ago, and the cult is most inviting!
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: madhair60 on February 11, 2020, 04:03:35 PM
Quote from: samadriel on February 11, 2020, 02:33:50 PM
Perfect time to ask: where should I begin with, and navigate through, Morrison's Batman output? I don't know which books are his and which aren't (he had a few, right? Something called Batman RIP at some point? And was he writing for the main title? And is Detective Comics the main title? I know nothing about how the big two manage multi-title characters), but I like buying big omnibus editions of stuff on comixology, so if anyone can describe the shape of the Morrison Bat-world to me, I'll inevitably buy it all in the next sale and tuck in.

From memory: Batman & Son then Batman RIP is the start. Then Time and the Batman. Then look up Final Crisis on Wikipedia. Then look up Battle for the Cowl on Wikipedia. Then Batman and Robin vols 1 and 2. Then Return of Bruce Wayne. Then Batman and Robin vol 3. Then Batman Inc.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on February 11, 2020, 07:01:22 PM
Quote from: samadriel on February 11, 2020, 04:02:14 PM
Many thanks Six, I'll make good use of that. Hey, did you ever get a chance to read Battle Angel Alita? I recall you wanting to a long time ago, and the cult is most inviting!

Ahhhh, I meant to, but I've had so much else to read! It'll happen at some point, though. The film just popped up on HBO's app and Mrs Six wants to watch it, so maybe I'll pick up the books and let her have a head start.

Anyway, I recently finished up The Invisibles, Book 4, the final trade of the recollected series, containing the back half of volume 2, all of volume 3, and some backmatter including Grant's final editorial from the last issue.

Bloody hell, I love this comic. Reading the whole thing (just about) back to back emphasises the dramatic shifts in tone and content, from the structurally complex and "difficult" volume 1, through the rootin', tootin' action-adventure of volume 2, and into the fragmented and faintly elegiac final volume. It's impressive how well everything ties together, though, with what seemed like forgotten or vestigial plotlines and characters from volume 1 being reintegrated into the storyline in a wholly convincing way. I'd totally forgotten about much of it, including [sp]the brain-bending meta stuff about Robin's fictionsuit[/sp], so it was a treat to re-experience it.

Can't recommend the series as a whole enough. Definitely Morrison's greatest work, up to this point at least. Looking forward to seeing how the TV show shapes up, if it does indeed eventuate...
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on February 13, 2020, 12:20:50 PM
Quote from: Mister Six on February 11, 2020, 02:01:23 PM
Another All-Star Superman fan here. You have to look at it as a completely earnest love letter to Superman and what he represents. Morrison has been on a post-ironic, ultra-sincere kick for a couple of decades now and it doesn't look like it's going to end soon. The bombastic dialogue is just something Morrison likes to roll out from time to time, especially when he's doing comics in the style of those 1960s Jack Kirby-era yarns.

I'd suggest re-reading with that in mind and seeing if it clicks any better before you get to the other stuff.

Cheers, Six. I've done so, and yes, I think you're right. The Bizzaro stuff is brilliant !
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Custard on March 08, 2020, 11:14:31 PM
So Comixology have whacked up their prices substantially. Cos of Brexit, apparently

Fuck sakes

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2020/03/05/brexit-comixology-increase-prices-uk-67-pound-dollar-parity/
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Phil_A on March 09, 2020, 11:27:29 AM
Quote from: Shameless Custard on March 08, 2020, 11:14:31 PM
So Comixology have whacked up their prices substantially. Cos of Brexit, apparently

Fuck sakes

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2020/03/05/brexit-comixology-increase-prices-uk-67-pound-dollar-parity/

Oh well, back to just continuing to read everything for free on Readcomicsonline I guess.

I'm being slightly facetious, but I can't see this doing anything to stem the tide of comics piracy, it's just blatantly pushing people towards it.

Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Custard on March 09, 2020, 01:37:17 PM
I know, it's lunacy. I can imagine there'll be a huge dip in their sales now. Who's gonna pay 3.99/4.99 for a single issue digital comic? I laughed out loud when I saw they want 9.99 an issue of that recent Harley Quinn origin story. A tenner!

I'm just glad I stocked up the past two years, when the prices weren't laughable. Doubt I'll be buying anything off there again
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: samadriel on March 09, 2020, 02:24:53 PM
I feel bad for you poor Brexit-y suckers, the Australian prices are much more reasonable. I really wish they had Comixology Unlimited outside the US though, I'd save so much comic money.

I'm reading Alex Ross and Busiek's Marvels right now; the X-Men issue is a bit of a heartbreaker with the riots and the little mutant girl and so on. I'm also really enjoying my foray into Valiant Comics, but I might post further about that later. I still don't have much interest in Bloodshot, and it seems to me he's been somewhat artificially inserted into the major Valiant crossovers, but all the Toyo Harada stuff, like the Harbinger titles, some of the XO Manowar stuff and the Imperium titles I'm about to read, they seem really good. I guess I'm getting into superhero stuff rather late in my comics history, the reverse of most people.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Phil_A on March 09, 2020, 08:01:24 PM
I recently took the plunge with a Shonen Jump digital subscription (https://www.viz.com/sj-offer), insanely good value if you like action-based manga.

Started off reading One Piece from the beginning, it's really good!
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on March 10, 2020, 03:45:25 PM
Quote from: Shameless Custard on March 08, 2020, 11:14:31 PM
So Comixology have whacked up their prices substantially. Cos of Brexit, apparently

Fuck sakes

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2020/03/05/brexit-comixology-increase-prices-uk-67-pound-dollar-parity/

That is shocking. Especially since it's Amazon, a company dedicated to pushing prices down
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on March 10, 2020, 03:49:45 PM
Quote from: samadriel on March 09, 2020, 02:24:53 PM
I'm reading Alex Ross and Busiek's Marvels right now; the X-Men issue is a bit of a heartbreaker with the riots and the little mutant girl and so on. I'm also really enjoying my foray into Valiant Comics, but I might post further about that later. I still don't have much interest in Bloodshot, and it seems to me he's been somewhat artificially inserted into the major Valiant crossovers, but all the Toyo Harada stuff, like the Harbinger titles, some of the XO Manowar stuff and the Imperium titles I'm about to read, they seem really good. I guess I'm getting into superhero stuff rather late in my comics history, the reverse of most people.

I'm a big fan of Marvels which I reread recently after picking up the graphic novel at a local charity shop.

And as for Valiant, I'd recommend reading Faith, it's a great deal of fun and I'm a big fan of the central character.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: samadriel on March 11, 2020, 03:07:06 AM
Funny you should mention that, I decided to start reading Faith yesterday, having just finished Harbinger Renegade. (I said I'd read Imperium, but I decided I'd read Faith and Divinity first, the latter apparently tying in with Imperium a little bit.) Faith is good fun, and I particularly like the cartoony art of the fantasy sequences - Margeurite Sauvage might be the artist, I think? Must check out her other stuff.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on March 11, 2020, 05:17:06 PM
For those into the artier side of mainstream comics, Comixology has Wolverine Inner Fury (art by Bill Sienkiewicz) and Wolverine Killing with art by Kent Williams, both for $1.99. Nice

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ES2BswEUEAEW3v4?format=jpg)
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on March 11, 2020, 08:06:33 PM
Quote from: samadriel on March 11, 2020, 03:07:06 AM
Funny you should mention that, I decided to start reading Faith yesterday, having just finished Harbinger Renegade. (I said I'd read Imperium, but I decided I'd read Faith and Divinity first, the latter apparently tying in with Imperium a little bit.) Faith is good fun, and I particularly like the cartoony art of the fantasy sequences - Margeurite Sauvage might be the artist, I think? Must check out her other stuff.

The art's by Francis Portela and Marguerite Sauvage apparently, and I'm a big fan of it, and think it's even better in the Dreamside mini-series where MJ Kim takes over. Oddly enough I tweeted Jody Houser just yesterday asking her if there were going to be any more Faith series and she didn't know, suggesting I contact Valiant, and after doing that there's a YA novel being produced but that's all currently, sadly.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: samadriel on March 13, 2020, 03:42:08 AM
Valiant seem to do about an omnibus' worth of issues and then quit for a few years (that seemed to be the case with Archer & Armstrong and Quantum & Woody, they've since come back with slightly updated titles in recent years), but it seems to me that Faith is massively popular, so I bet she comes back soon. It's kind of funny how, in Unity, the team briefly signs up Faith because she's so charming, to boost their PR - even in-universe they made her a star. But, of course, Unity is a bit too grim and gritty for her...
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on March 15, 2020, 11:32:45 PM
Reading the Flintstones miniseries by Mark Russell and Steve Pugh, and I'm finding it quite frustrating. Pugh's art is gorgeous, and there are some quite funny gags, but the overriding point of the series is clearly to make BIG POLITICAL POINTS.

Which is fine, except that as of issue five, the points have been incredibly obvious and heavy-handed. Hey, do you know that consumerism is soulless and anxiety-causing, and that the value of an object is in the meaning you place in it, not the price that can be asked of it? Do you know that marriage is an arbitrary concept and there's no reason to exclude gay people from that? Do you know that racist authoritarianism and appeals to fear demonise minorities and cause violence? Do you? DO YOU?

And what makes it seem even more redundant is that so many of the targets/references are from shit that was relevant decades ago. Barney and Fred were in a caveman equivalent of 'Nam, for example. The prods at shopping are all low-grade '80s Gen X anti-consumerism at best. Everyone has TVs, but nobody has the internet.

This wouldn't be so bad, but none of this stuff is ever tied to a compelling story. Each issue is a series of loosely connected events/skits peppered with quippy, atomised "dialogue" that rarely feels like a conversation, and it's all in service to THE BIG POINTS, which are never as interesting or insightful as the author seems to think, being basically a grab-bag of obvious liberal complaints. I mean, I agree with all of them, but it feels like that's the point: it's a comic for people to nod sagely along with. Mental masturbation for smug liberals.

(Oh, and issues 2-5 all end in pretty much the same way - a surprise reveal of a "classic" Flintstones TV character. "This is how Dino/Pebbles/The Great Gazoo came to Bedrock!" Feels very lazy, like a way to imbue the preceding 20-ish pages with some kind of mythic weight by trading off 60 years of accumulated pop-culture cache.)
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: samadriel on March 19, 2020, 06:35:37 AM
Hey guys, are many companies posting free comics during this time of isolation? Valiant are posting a bunch of PDFs in a Twitter thread: https://twitter.com/ValiantComics/status/1238595175607345152?s=19

Just my luck, I bought "The Valiant" last week! That Dr Mirage comic has me interested in her series, so job done for the company there...
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on March 19, 2020, 09:03:22 AM
Quote from: samadriel on March 19, 2020, 06:35:37 AM
Hey guys, are many companies posting free comics during this time of isolation? Valiant are posting a bunch of PDFs in a Twitter thread: https://twitter.com/ValiantComics/status/1238595175607345152?s=19

Just my luck, I bought "The Valiant" last week! That Dr Mirage comic has me interested in her series, so job done for the company there...

2000AD have released Judge Dredd Case Files vol 5 as a freebie
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: samadriel on March 19, 2020, 10:34:12 AM
Hey, I see that's got Apocalypse War in it, I remember reading a lot about that one awhile back. Thanks for the heads up.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on March 19, 2020, 02:30:39 PM
Quote from: samadriel on March 19, 2020, 10:34:12 AM
Hey, I see that's got Apocalypse War in it, I remember reading a lot about that one awhile back.
It's awesome!
And topical.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on March 19, 2020, 06:01:12 PM
Actual new Marvel characters.

The creative team's hearts seem to be in the right places, but if your bold new vision is almost indistinguishable from alt-right "satire" you might want to rethink it a bit.

(https://scontent-hkt1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/89996678_156362745832061_8143441938075353088_o.jpg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_sid=ca434c&_nc_ohc=AIXUms5lI68AX_5aqBk&_nc_ht=scontent-hkt1-1.xx&oh=50505468e8336a7f57512c21ff3fce02&oe=5E99B949)

Also seems to be a bit of confusion within editorial, as they're supposed to be twins, but look at the way they're posed on the cover...

(https://www.adventuresinpoortaste.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/NEWWAR2020001_cvr-min.jpg)

Or has Game of Thrones really mainstreamed fictional incest?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: samadriel on March 19, 2020, 07:10:27 PM
Quote from: Mister Six on March 19, 2020, 06:01:12 PM
Or has Game of Thrones really mainstreamed fictional incest?

Nah, it was Blades of Glory.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: samadriel on March 22, 2020, 08:14:42 PM
Man, I was quite disappointed by the first collection of Shadowman (I read it so I'd be prepared for the Divinity: Stalinverse thing... I could follow the thread of all these big events all day, most of the time I'm enjoying unraveling the VU). Basically, Shadowman is Spawn with a tweak or two. I don't like Spawn, it's always struck me as '90s tryhard nonsense. and I expected better things of Shadowman based on the rather fun, creative story arc in Ninjak where he and Punk Mambo go to the Deadside. In Shadowman, the Deadside is a boring place with a handful of ghosts in it. Darque is a pretty formidable villain figure, despite the name, but a lot of the book is spent dealing with characters like Mr Twist, a demon so obviously birthed from Spawn he could've come out of a frog's arse. The dialogue and general storyline is packed with cliche too.  I'll probably try out the second omnibus since it's written by someone else (Peter Milligan, no less) and the character and his world are not totally without merit (the voodoo stuff is fun, and the aforementioned Ninjak story convinced me that the VU afterlife can be super cool - oh, and that reminds me, Dr Mirage shines in her cameo in this, as well ), but I won't be in a rush.

Divinity: Stalinverse was pretty good, but the side-series exploring the Soviet versions of our heroes was a bit disappointing. The bleakness of the main series was appropriate, as you need high stakes, but keeping that same tone throughout the side-stories just made them boring. "Escape from Gulag whatever" was kind of alright, but the rest have already evaporated from my mind. I don't see why it was necessary to have Shadowman and the Deadside feature so prominently either; I'd much, much rather have read an issue dedicated to the Soviet version of Peter Stanchek who got about one page in the main series.

So, all the Divinity trades thus far have been pretty good (I've bought "Eternity" but not read it yet), but "Heroes of the Glorious Stalinverse" turned out a bit shit.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: samadriel on March 23, 2020, 11:57:13 AM
Sixth trade of Immortal Hulk came out. The anti-corporate Hulk is interesting, it's a bit of a chuckle having him tear down a media superpower. I don't like them as villains quite as much as the villains of the previous books though, the crazy gamma radiation stuff and the green door and Banner's dad seemed more... profound? Still, it's a good read, looking forward to the next trade.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: samadriel on March 30, 2020, 03:48:18 PM
XO Manowar books are half-price right now on Comixology. Why, I don't know, they don't seem to have mentioned it in the sales section, but you'll get a lot of reading for your dollar/quid if you buy an omnibus or two.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Custard on April 03, 2020, 03:20:28 PM
Can anyone recommend any of the Comixology Originals?

They've got a sale on at the moment, punting out their own stuff for 99p a pop, so wouldn't mind giving some of them a go (if they're any good!)
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on April 05, 2020, 06:06:33 PM
I'm surprised the Diamond situation hasn't had more publicity given how many small businesses will likely go under.
I haven't got a clear line on it, but in theory, could they have kept delivering for a couple more months?

It's going to be interesting to see what happens to the industry, whether everyone slumps back into the monopoly's arms or if there is a new way of working about to happen
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: mikeyg27 on April 09, 2020, 09:01:02 AM
Humble Bundle (https://www.humblebundle.com/books/creator-spotlight-on-jonathan-hickman-image-comics-books?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=link&utm_campaign=image_hickman_announce&utm_content=en&fbclid=IwAR0BksRVxx_HYkFRHge7uvKg3FDYbk2pzXA42ssYM5-5Y61lfQtaSAuY2E8) currently have a bundle with all of Jonathan Hickman's Image work in it. Various payment tiers unlock increasing amounts of books but the top tier containing everything (including the entirety of the recently-ended East of West) is currently going for £12.50, which is an insane price. Under Comixology's current price exchange rate you could get two of the volumes here for that price.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on April 09, 2020, 09:10:44 AM
Quote from: mikeyg27 on April 09, 2020, 09:01:02 AM
Humble Bundle (https://www.humblebundle.com/books/creator-spotlight-on-jonathan-hickman-image-comics-books?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=link&utm_campaign=image_hickman_announce&utm_content=en&fbclid=IwAR0BksRVxx_HYkFRHge7uvKg3FDYbk2pzXA42ssYM5-5Y61lfQtaSAuY2E8) currently have a bundle with all of Jonathan Hickman's Image work in it. Various payment tiers unlock increasing amounts of books but the top tier containing everything (including the entirety of the recently-ended East of West) is currently going for £12.50, which is an insane price. Under Comixology's current price exchange rate you could get two of the volumes here for that price.
That certainly is a huge bargain, and many thanks for the heads up. Tell me, how do you read them. Via...?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: mikeyg27 on April 09, 2020, 09:30:39 AM
There are PDFs, CBZs and ePubs to download. If you have a large enough computer screen you either ue your standard PDF reader or a CBZ viewer (I use Simple Comic on Mac, but this article (https://www.howtogeek.com/321394/the-best-comic-book-readers-for-windows-mac-and-linux/) indicates that there are better ones on other systems). If you prefer to use a tablet of some sort (and I would) there's usually plenty of readers in the various app stores (I use Perfect Viewer for Android).
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on April 09, 2020, 10:01:34 AM
Thanks, Mikey!
I use my iPad for ComiXology stuff. iPad is perfect for that. I'll investigate further.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: samadriel on April 09, 2020, 02:28:32 PM
Quote from: mikeyg27 on April 09, 2020, 09:01:02 AM
Humble Bundle (https://www.humblebundle.com/books/creator-spotlight-on-jonathan-hickman-image-comics-books?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=link&utm_campaign=image_hickman_announce&utm_content=en&fbclid=IwAR0BksRVxx_HYkFRHge7uvKg3FDYbk2pzXA42ssYM5-5Y61lfQtaSAuY2E8) currently have a bundle with all of Jonathan Hickman's Image work in it. Various payment tiers unlock increasing amounts of books but the top tier containing everything (including the entirety of the recently-ended East of West) is currently going for £12.50, which is an insane price. Under Comixology's current price exchange rate you could get two of the volumes here for that price.

Bargain, thanks for the heads-up.

Quote from: Shameless Custard on April 03, 2020, 03:20:28 PM
Can anyone recommend any of the Comixology Originals?

They've got a sale on at the moment, punting out their own stuff for 99p a pop, so wouldn't mind giving some of them a go (if they're any good!)

I had a read of Afterlift, a Chip Zdarsky short story. It's alright for the price, but not very original (it's about an Uber driver paid to drive a girl to a highly Gaiman-esque afterlife); I know Sex Criminals doesn't have many fans here, but I'd recommend that over Afterlift when it comes to Zdarsky's output. Still, the latter's so damn cheap, why not have a go? *shrug*
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on April 09, 2020, 04:12:58 PM
Quote from: Artie Fufkin on April 09, 2020, 10:01:34 AM
Thanks, Mikey!
I use my iPad for ComiXology stuff. iPad is perfect for that. I'll investigate further.
iComic sounds good. Anyone here use that?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Custard on April 10, 2020, 02:39:33 PM
samadriel, thaaaaanks. Giving Afterlift a go!

Anyone read the Fante Bukowski books by Noah Van Sciver?

They focus on a hipster sort of bloke who wants to be famous for his writing, but is unfortunately a terrible writer. It has a similar sort of bleak and grotty humour to Megg and Mogg, if a lot more grounded. It's given me several hearty belly laffs

Last time I looked the three collections were on sale on Comixology, and I ended up banging through the lot in two nights

Highly recommended!
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: samadriel on April 10, 2020, 03:05:16 PM
I'm a sucker for a comics sale, will check it out; thanks SC.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: magval on April 10, 2020, 03:15:15 PM
Quote from: Artie Fufkin on April 09, 2020, 04:12:58 PM
iComic sounds good. Anyone here use that?

Can I cheekily recommend something else? Get Chunky. It's not free but it's the best tablet comics reader I've ever used.

I think there might even BE a free version, but it's only a couple quid for the good upgrades.

Been using it since I sold my collection and bought an iPad pro in 2016, never a single complaint.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on April 11, 2020, 10:24:03 AM
While Comixology does throw up a bargain or two, the so-called sale of classic Flash Gordon and Mandrake compendiums is baffling.
$19.99 reduced from $39.99!! for a digital collection of old reprints by creators long gone.

Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: samadriel on April 11, 2020, 12:41:00 PM
Oh, edit bug...

Hey, it looks like everything Valiant is half-price on Comixology at the moment. Catch my disease!
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on April 14, 2020, 08:54:00 AM
Quote from: magval on April 10, 2020, 03:15:15 PM
Can I cheekily recommend something else? Get Chunky. It's not free but it's the best tablet comics reader I've ever used.

I think there might even BE a free version, but it's only a couple quid for the good upgrades.

Been using it since I sold my collection and bought an iPad pro in 2016, never a single complaint.

Thanks, Magval! Will give it a look.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: samadriel on May 06, 2020, 02:44:47 PM
Man, the first omnibus of Rai is really good; I love that Clayton Crain artwork, it's very slick and can be downright pretty too. I expected to get a bit bored by the far future setting and a New Japan conceptualized by a Western writer, but no, it's plenty entertaining, even if New Japan isn't remotely Japan-like. Time to get stuck into the 4001AD crossover... then the next volume of Rai... Then start preparing for Harbinger Wars 2... I love digging through all these comics, it really makes me relish social isolation.

I also re-read Preludes and Nocturnes, the first book of Sandman, and I've got book 2 lined up. I forgot how effective the horror episode with Dr Destiny is, but generally, I don't know if I'd say the writing really sparkles or anything. I wouldn't say it was cliche, but it wasn't very original, I kept thinking "yeah, I probably would've written that line the same way". A bit of a "needs more drafts" feeling, perhaps. My favourite Gaiman works are still Good Omens and Miracleman.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on May 06, 2020, 04:03:55 PM
Quote from: samadriel on May 06, 2020, 02:44:47 PM
I also re-read Preludes and Nocturnes, the first book of Sandman, and I've got book 2 lined up. I forgot how effective the horror episode with Dr Destiny is, but generally, I don't know if I'd say the writing really sparkles or anything. I wouldn't say it was cliche, but it wasn't very original, I kept thinking "yeah, I probably would've written that line the same way". A bit of a "needs more drafts" feeling, perhaps. My favourite Gaiman works are still Good Omens and Miracleman.
I bought the whole lot of these in a recent ComiXology sale. I keep looking at it in my collection. Daunting.
I've also done the same with Alan Moore's Swamp-Thing.
And I'm contemplating getting the complete Hellblazer original run.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on May 07, 2020, 09:19:43 AM
Quote from: magval on April 10, 2020, 03:15:15 PM
Can I cheekily recommend something else? Get Chunky. It's not free but it's the best tablet comics reader I've ever used.

I think there might even BE a free version, but it's only a couple quid for the good upgrades.

Been using it since I sold my collection and bought an iPad pro in 2016, never a single complaint.

QuoteEasy to use. Can upload to cloud and transfer to device. No way to transfer wired. Comics look great and can easily be sorted with careful file naming. But, every comic you transfer will consume double the storage space. So a 500MB file takes 1GB on your device. Even when deleted the duplicate storage will remain. Even when deleting app the duplicate storage will remain. This used storage space cannot be viewed. It cannot be deleted. No changing of device or app settings will stop this duplication from happening. Eventually you WILL have factory reset device to get it back. Depending on how many comics you import and how much storage you have you may end up having to this pretty regularly. It's a pity because if this wasn't the car it would be a 4 star app worthy of paying for pro. Buts it's not so be warned.....

What do you say to this review, Magval?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: magval on May 07, 2020, 11:57:10 AM
Of course you can transfer them via a cable. I've never done anything but. All done through file sharing within iTunes. Never read a comic book from the cloud in my life.

Can't comment on the storage doubling issue, but that's probably tied to whatever had happened to that unfortunate reviewer. You can delete files just fine in iTunes.

The renaming is also a doddle.

Still happily recommended, I've been using it tons recently. So much handier and faster than Comixology.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on May 07, 2020, 12:18:43 PM
Quote from: magval on May 07, 2020, 11:57:10 AM
Of course you can transfer them via a cable. I've never done anything but. All done through file sharing within iTunes. Never read a comic book from the cloud in my life.

Can't comment on the storage doubling issue, but that's probably tied to whatever had happened to that unfortunate reviewer. You can delete files just fine in iTunes.

The renaming is also a doddle.

Still happily recommended, I've been using it tons recently. So much handier and faster than Comixology.

Cheers, Magval! Will get that at the weekend.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: magval on May 07, 2020, 12:21:14 PM
If it gives you any issues let me know, it's straightforward enough but it's easy for me to say that after 4 years using it.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on May 07, 2020, 12:23:16 PM
Quote from: magval on May 07, 2020, 12:21:14 PM
If it gives you any issues let me know, it's straightforward enough but it's easy for me to say that after 4 years using it.
You're a true gent !
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on May 07, 2020, 12:36:50 PM
Quote from: Artie Fufkin on May 06, 2020, 04:03:55 PM
And I'm contemplating getting the complete Hellblazer original run.

I did that about ten years ago (well, I reread the first 100 or so issues that I'd already owned, then went through 150 I hadn't read before and caught up with Milligan's run on the series) and massively enjoyed it, yeah there's the odd weaker moments but even the writers I didn't initially click with are a hell of a lot better than those who have written the various post Hellblazer series.

Quote from: Artie Fufkin on May 06, 2020, 04:03:55 PM
I've also done the same with Alan Moore's Swamp-Thing.

Shamefully Swamp Thing is the one major Moore series I've never clicked with, I've only read the first four issues though and really need to give it another shot as I know many people who adore it.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on May 07, 2020, 12:59:16 PM
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on May 07, 2020, 12:36:50 PM
I did that about ten years ago (well, I reread the first 100 or so issues that I'd already owned, then went through 150 I hadn't read before and caught up with Milligan's run on the series) and massively enjoyed it, yeah there's the odd weaker moments but even the writers I didn't initially click with are a hell of a lot better than those who have written the various post Hellblazer series.
I read issues 1 & 2 a while back and loved both of them. The first issue was MEATY. Keep promising myself to dive back in. There's just too so much stuff out there!
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Custard on May 12, 2020, 11:55:54 AM
Just a heads up that the rather excellent Planet Hulk is currently free on Comixology
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on May 14, 2020, 02:33:46 AM
Speaking of Hellblazer, which you were about, er, two weeks ago, I've gone through the first five issues of the colon-tastic The Sandman Presents: John Constantine: Hellblazer, and fuck me, it's really, properly good. The issue zero is a cluster fuck of continuity shit to justify Constantine being back in the Vertigo timeline or something (rather than just ignoring all the other nonsense and getting on with it) and I hated that they
Spoiler alert
basically killed off Chas and his family
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, but after that it's great - basically John Constantine Vs the Gammons From Hell, with a proper old-school mix of humour, horror and topical political stuff.

The kombucha-drinking hipster mage who idolises John is a brilliant foil, and the sense of place and time is great. Feels like this could be a return to "proper" Hellblazer that kind of vanished for me with the end of Mike Carey's run.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on May 14, 2020, 09:05:47 AM
^I've made a mental note of that. Cheers.^
And now on my Wish List.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on May 14, 2020, 09:07:05 AM
Quote from: magval on April 10, 2020, 03:15:15 PM
Can I cheekily recommend something else? Get Chunky. It's not free but it's the best tablet comics reader I've ever used.

I think there might even BE a free version, but it's only a couple quid for the good upgrades.

Been using it since I sold my collection and bought an iPad pro in 2016, never a single complaint.
I've been playing around with this the last couple of days. Thanks for the heads up. Loving it so far.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on May 18, 2020, 12:05:29 PM
Parasyte (sic), a manga novel, bought in a recent ComiXology sale. It's started off really well. A nice idea.
I really must read more Manga. I've only read a couple before this (Old Boy & The Kurosagi Corpse Delivery Service) which were both brilliant. Oh, and some Usagi Yojimbo, which I keep meaning to buy more of.
Any recommendations?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: magval on May 18, 2020, 12:45:43 PM
Quote from: Artie Fufkin on May 14, 2020, 09:07:05 AM
I've been playing around with this the last couple of days. Thanks for the heads up. Loving it so far.

Ah, I'm glad to hear it. Made the transition from paper to digital so, so easy.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: samadriel on May 18, 2020, 02:06:01 PM
Regarding manga, Gunsmith Cats is incredibly sleazy, but the sweet gunfights combined with the obsessive gun and car fidelity make it an enjoyable '90s flashback. The collections are nice and cheap at the moment; comixology also has the newer GSC series, "Burst", but I haven't read that yet.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on May 18, 2020, 02:42:45 PM
Quote from: samadriel on May 18, 2020, 02:06:01 PM
Regarding manga, Gunsmith Cats is incredibly sleazy, but the sweet gunfights combined with the obsessive gun and car fidelity make it an enjoyable '90s flashback. The collections are nice and cheap at the moment; comixology also has the newer GSC series, "Burst", but I haven't read that yet.
Cheers. Will have a look.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on May 18, 2020, 02:45:26 PM
Quote from: magval on May 18, 2020, 12:45:43 PM
Ah, I'm glad to hear it. Made the transition from paper to digital so, so easy.
Yeah. I've been full on ComiXology for a few years now. But I've recently.....acquired some comics that I wanted a separate reader for.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on May 18, 2020, 10:21:56 PM
Quote from: Artie Fufkin on May 18, 2020, 12:05:29 PM
Parasyte (sic), a manga novel, bought in a recent ComiXology sale. It's started off really well. A nice idea.
Any recommendations?

Parasyte ran for years and through several volumes - don't know if you have some bumper omnibus, or whether you'll have more to buy when it's done, but I read this last year and was really impressed. It's pleasingly dense for a manga series (a lot of strips seem to descend into massive splash pages when the author gets overworked and hasn't planned out future volumes, but this never succumbed to that) and doesn't outstay its welcome. It never quite pays off the origin of the parasites as stated at the start, and the ending might seem a bit wishy-washy to some, but I really liked it.

Only other manga I've read to completion is Gantz, which is a really adolescent and nihilistic thing about monster hunters in modern-day Tokyo that nevertheless has some great ideas and visuals. Sadly the back half of it is super decompressed splash-page-o-vision and tedious in the extreme.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on May 19, 2020, 08:48:20 AM
Quote from: Mister Six on May 18, 2020, 10:21:56 PM
Parasyte ran for years and through several volumes - don't know if you have some bumper omnibus, or whether you'll have more to buy when it's done, but I read this last year and was really impressed. It's pleasingly dense for a manga series (a lot of strips seem to descend into massive splash pages when the author gets overworked and hasn't planned out future volumes, but this never succumbed to that) and doesn't outstay its welcome. It never quite pays off the origin of the parasites as stated at the start, and the ending might seem a bit wishy-washy to some, but I really liked it.

Only other manga I've read to completion is Gantz, which is a really adolescent and nihilistic thing about monster hunters in modern-day Tokyo that nevertheless has some great ideas and visuals. Sadly the back half of it is super decompressed splash-page-o-vision and tedious in the extreme.
Cheers for that. Will check it out. I've also been pointed in the direction of Junji Ito? Apparently quite Lovecraftian.
Yeah. I'm loving Parasyte currently. I find manga quite sweet. I love some of the full pages. The detail is brilliant. It seems so different to 'western' art.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on May 19, 2020, 08:24:27 PM
Junji Ito is very prolific, with a variable hit rate, but has made some memorably horrible stuff. Uzumaki is the one everybody points to, and with reason (although I think it gets a bit daft towards the end). Gyo is fairly brief and has that lovely/horrible feeling of being trapped in a nightmare, with nightmare logic.

The Enigma of Amigara Fault is another popular one - a nice short story, too (I think it was included in some of the bonus material in one of the Gyo collections). You can read it here: https://imgur.com/gallery/Wht7z
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on May 20, 2020, 11:37:25 AM
Quote from: Mister Six on May 19, 2020, 08:24:27 PM
Junji Ito is very prolific, with a variable hit rate, but has made some memorably horrible stuff. Uzumaki is the one everybody points to, and with reason (although I think it gets a bit daft towards the end). Gyo is fairly brief and has that lovely/horrible feeling of being trapped in a nightmare, with nightmare logic.

The Enigma of Amigara Fault is another popular one - a nice short story, too (I think it was included in some of the bonus material in one of the Gyo collections). You can read it here: https://imgur.com/gallery/Wht7z
Awesome, thanks!
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on May 20, 2020, 02:43:43 PM
Quote from: samadriel on May 18, 2020, 02:06:01 PM
Regarding manga, Gunsmith Cats is incredibly sleazy, but the sweet gunfights combined with the obsessive gun and car fidelity make it an enjoyable '90s flashback.
Just bought vol 1. The covers look a little pervy. Looking forward to delving in.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: samadriel on May 20, 2020, 03:36:48 PM
It's the invisible blowjob scene that startled me! Still, it'll probably feel downright wholesome after a bit of Junji Ito.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on May 20, 2020, 03:57:54 PM
Quote from: samadriel on May 20, 2020, 03:36:48 PM
It's the invisible blowjob scene that startled me! Still, it'll probably feel downright wholesome after a bit of Junji Ito.
My mind is boggled!
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on June 03, 2020, 04:06:00 AM
Wayhey, I've had a couple of essays published in this book, From Bayou to Abyss: Examining John Constantine, Hellblazer (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Bayou-Abyss-Examining-Constantine-Hellblazer-ebook/dp/B089GZ7V7J/ref=mp_s_a_1_1)! Paperback version also available, but absurdly expensive. Amusing intro by Jamie Delano himself!
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on June 03, 2020, 08:53:50 AM
Quote from: Mister Six on June 03, 2020, 04:06:00 AM
Wayhey, I've had a couple of essays published in this book, From Bayou to Abyss: Examining John Constantine, Hellblazer (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Bayou-Abyss-Examining-Constantine-Hellblazer-ebook/dp/B089GZ7V7J/ref=mp_s_a_1_1)! Paperback version also available, but absurdly expensive. Amusing intro by Jamie Delano himself!
Get you! Well done, Mister Six. It's added to my Wish List.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on June 03, 2020, 08:59:11 AM
Quote from: samadriel on May 18, 2020, 02:06:01 PM
Regarding manga, Gunsmith Cats is incredibly sleazy, but the sweet gunfights combined with the obsessive gun and car fidelity make it an enjoyable '90s flashback. The collections are nice and cheap at the moment; comixology also has the newer GSC series, "Burst", but I haven't read that yet.
I'm just coming to the end of Volume 1. It's not really 'my thing', but I have enjoyed it. It's had a couple of eye-opening moments
Spoiler alert
the invisible blowjob you mentioned, and the bit where Minnie May examines the juice on her fingers after masturbating
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. Those crazy Japanese!! It's kinda Charlie's Angels, right?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on June 03, 2020, 10:21:57 AM
Quote from: Mister Six on June 03, 2020, 04:06:00 AM
Wayhey, I've had a couple of essays published in this book, From Bayou to Abyss: Examining John Constantine, Hellblazer (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Bayou-Abyss-Examining-Constantine-Hellblazer-ebook/dp/B089GZ7V7J/ref=mp_s_a_1_1)! Paperback version also available, but absurdly expensive. Amusing intro by Jamie Delano himself!

That's great stuff Mister Six, and if it comes down in price a bit (or I get one of those kindle things) I'll definitely pick up a copy, Constantine's the one character where I'd be interested in a book like that.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on June 03, 2020, 04:29:46 PM
Hooray, thanks guys. Sequart is very much a small press operation (they certainly don't pay well!) so I don't imagine that the price will drop dramatically for the paperback, but if you do get a Kindle (or don't mind using an e-reader on your computer) then hopefully you'll find it diverting. I've not had a chance to look through the other essays yet...
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on June 04, 2020, 12:07:46 AM
For the next two weeks, you can enter your details here for a chance to win the book (https://kingsumo.com/g/o8ldjv/from-bayou-to-abyss-examining-john-constantine/zrzw24z), courtesy of The World Gone Geek official podcast, whatever that is. Dunno if they ship to the UK, but there's nothing saying they don't...

Obviously I'd prefer it if you went to the shops and forked out for one, though, so I can earn LITERAL PENNIES in royalties. Ta!

EDIT: On the US Amazon the book is

Quote#9 in Comic & Graphic Novel Literary Criticism
#1 in Comics & Graphic Novels Literary Criticism
#4 in Science Fiction & Fantasy Literary Criticism (Kindle Store)

which is, uh, good? Judging from the way they have two different categories based on pluralisation, I'm guessing there's a near-infinite number of ranking tables and every book reaches #1 on one of them somewhere.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: samadriel on June 04, 2020, 06:45:21 AM
Quote from: Artie Fufkin on June 03, 2020, 08:59:11 AMThose crazy Japanese!! It's kinda Charlie's Angels, right?

The anime intro certainly gives off those Angels vibes. (https://youtu.be/bXE4wO-Qt48)

Meanwhile, I've organised my vast collection of Valiant comics by release year, and after the okay but unremarkable Eternal Warrior, I'm halfway through The Death-Defying Dr Mirage. It's a very strange book, that invites you in with a relatable character who you'd think would be your guide through the world of the supernatural, but who actually does very little guiding, leaping straight into the world she already knows, but we don't, a world of astral projection and favours between demons and the dead, and all sorts of loopy stuff that's a bit hard to get a hold on, even if you've read a little of the supernatural Valiant stuff before, like I have. The book actually includes a small snippet of Shadowman #5 which features Dr Mirage, and I think a story more like that one (she's interrogating a serial killer with the help of the ghost of one of his young victims) would've been a helpful way to introduce her to her audience. It wasn't all bad, I'm looking forward to the second book (and, when I get to 2019, the more recent series), but it's a bit weird without being rewardingly weird.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on June 04, 2020, 10:54:58 AM
Quote from: samadriel on June 04, 2020, 06:45:21 AM
The anime intro certainly gives off those Angels vibes. (https://youtu.be/bXE4wO-Qt48)
That's brilliant! Thanks for that.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Custard on June 04, 2020, 05:21:45 PM
Didn't know Sex Criminals came back in January for a final run of issues, after a two year break, so reading the three that are out so far. Just want to see how they wrap it up really at this point

Really enjoying Ice Cream Man by W. Maxwell Prince. I won't spoil anything, but it's a really dark and sinister series, and the artwork is fantastic

Back into Batwoman, and reading the Rebirth trades. Really good stuff. Haven't seen the TV show, but apparently it's total bobbins, so I dunno how they fucked that one up so badly as the source material is really strong
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on June 05, 2020, 12:36:09 AM
Quote from: Shameless Custard on June 04, 2020, 05:21:45 PM
Didn't know Sex Criminals came back in January for a final run of issues, after a two year break, so reading the three that are out so far. Just want to see how they wrap it up really at this point

Sex Criminals is a weird old one for me, I thought the way it started was a lot of fun but then a sense of smugness pervaded way too many of the issues, as they boasted about how amazing they were for tackling sex in such a way, and it became unbearable after a while, so I didn't even know there'd been a two year break. I might check out the final issues to see how they wrap everything up, but I'd be amazed if they won me back at this stage.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on June 05, 2020, 09:59:46 AM
Quote from: Shameless Custard on June 04, 2020, 05:21:45 PM
Really enjoying Ice Cream Man by W. Maxwell Prince. I won't spoil anything, but it's a really dark and sinister series, and the artwork is fantastic
Read the first volume and really enjoyed it, mainly. Haven't got around to the next volume yet.
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on June 05, 2020, 12:36:09 AM
Sex Criminals is a weird old one for me, I thought the way it started was a lot of fun but then a sense of smugness pervaded way too many of the issues, as they boasted about how amazing they were for tackling sex in such a way, and it became unbearable after a while, so I didn't even know there'd been a two year break.
That was my take from it, also.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Custard on June 05, 2020, 02:50:02 PM
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on June 05, 2020, 12:36:09 AM
Sex Criminals is a weird old one for me, I thought the way it started was a lot of fun but then a sense of smugness pervaded way too many of the issues, as they boasted about how amazing they were for tackling sex in such a way, and it became unbearable after a while, so I didn't even know there'd been a two year break. I might check out the final issues to see how they wrap everything up, but I'd be amazed if they won me back at this stage.

Hehe, same for me really, yet somehow I stuck with it. It feels a bit more focused now they've spent some time away working out the ending, and it's building well towards whatever that may be

I do feel it should have been a lot shorter than it has been, mind. Even the writers have admitted they lost interest in it, hence the lengthy break. We'll see!
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Old Gold Tooth on June 05, 2020, 04:17:55 PM
Quote from: Shameless Custard on June 05, 2020, 02:50:02 PM
Even the writers have admitted they lost interest in it, hence the lengthy break.

That doesn't surprise me. It's certainly been a smug endeavour from the get-go, but it really jumped the shark when it broke the fourth wall and Fraction and Zdarsky depicted themselves being unable to solve a thorny writing issue, and instead chose to show their discussion about what they wanted to achieve but couldn't make work. Even ended with a big splash panel of them "worrying" it would seem self-indulgent. Fuck offfff. Genuinely pissed me off that I'd spent money on the first 3 trades.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on June 05, 2020, 04:34:04 PM
Quote from: Old Gold Tooth on June 05, 2020, 04:17:55 PM
That doesn't surprise me. It's certainly been a smug endeavour from the get-go, but it really jumped the shark when it broke the fourth wall and Fraction and Zdarsky depicted themselves being unable to solve a thorny writing issue, and instead chose to show their discussion about what they wanted to achieve but couldn't make work. Even ended with a big splash panel of them "worrying" it would seem self-indulgent. Fuck offfff. Genuinely pissed me off that I'd spent money on the first 3 trades.
Loved Fraction when he was doing Casanova and particularly the Hawkeye run he did. Then he seemed to go up his own arse a bit.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Old Gold Tooth on June 05, 2020, 04:48:34 PM
Quote from: Artie Fufkin on June 05, 2020, 04:34:04 PM
Loved Fraction when he was doing Casanova and particularly the Hawkeye run he did. Then he seemed to go up his own arse a bit.

Yeah I'm a big fan of Fraction too, which I think is why the way Sex Criminals went was such a disappointment. Casanova is such a great read and introduced me to the mighty twin talents of Gabriel Ba and Fabio Moon. Absolutely gorgeous stuff.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on June 06, 2020, 11:26:01 AM
I'm now reading Caballistics vol 1. Been meaning to read this for ages, since I read, and loved, Absalom in 2000 AD a while back. It's kind of a British Hellboy? Ish? #lazyjournalism
Anyhow, I'm enjoying it so far.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on June 08, 2020, 06:55:52 AM
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on June 05, 2020, 12:36:09 AM
Sex Criminals is a weird old one for me, I thought the way it started was a lot of fun but then a sense of smugness pervaded way too many of the issues

For me, it's like the Matrix. One clear, great idea that works in a short run.
The moment it has to extend and populate its world, it get's unsure, meandering and convoluted.

Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on June 08, 2020, 08:56:32 AM
Quote from: Artie Fufkin on June 06, 2020, 11:26:01 AM
I'm now reading Caballistics vol 1. Been meaning to read this for ages, since I read, and loved, Absalom in 2000 AD a while back. It's kind of a British Hellboy? Ish? #lazyjournalism
Anyhow, I'm enjoying it so far.
Finished volume 1 last night. Loved it! Really cool. Dom Reardon's artwork fits so well with this. Going to start volume 2 later.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: samadriel on June 11, 2020, 01:51:10 PM
Just finished The Delinquents, a crossover between Archer & Armstrong and Quantum & Woody. Basically, the chairman of Monsanto (okay, "Mondostano") send his minions after our heroes, who are scouring the railways of America to find the lost Hobo Treasure. The corporate conspiracy angle suits Archer & Armstrong, and the notion of a lost Hobo Treasure is wonderfully stupid, a perfect fit for Quantum & Woody, while also tickling my sense of romance about the old-time railways, and the Wobblies, and the hobos' coded messages, and general hobo culture. It's interesting, action-packed and funny, and it might even be my favorite book of both duos.

Which isn't to say that the 2015 Quantum & Woody book, which I finished next, is lacking. It's better than their first collection -- their powers are better-defined (Woody on offense, Quantum on defense), the fights are great, and it's funnier. I  can't wait 'til I get to my 2017 comics and witness the resolution to this volume's cliffhanger ending (I could peek ahead, but I'm not going to.)
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on June 12, 2020, 06:32:26 AM
Never heard of any of these characters! What sort of comics are they in? They looked pretty funny but then I read Archer's backstory and it's something about his parents molesting kids.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: samadriel on June 12, 2020, 07:09:23 AM
Quote from: Mister Six on June 12, 2020, 06:32:26 AM
Never heard of any of these characters! What sort of comics are they in? They looked pretty funny but then I read Archer's backstory and it's something about his parents molesting kids.
They don't molest kids, but they do brainwash them with a combination of American born-again Christianity and a mysterious cult they're part of. All Archer's  life he's been told to kill an enemy of the cult, but said enemy, an immortal party animal known as Armstrong, convinces Archer to make friends, and they start hunting down the various sub-sects of the cult. Archer & Armstrong is pretty damn funny, mostly because of the absurd sects they encounter (my favourite is The One Percent, a cabal of bull-masked weirdos who run Wall Street), and it's pretty action-packed, lots of globe trotting and arse-kicking.

Quantum & Woody are more flat-out comedic than A&A, and more superheroic, kind of a cross between Deadpool and Heroes for Hire. When written well, the more hedonistic of the two, Woody, is Homer Simpson-like in his rampaging id, and causes the straight man, Quantum, lots of grief -- basically, the plot is that they're adoptive brothers who can't stand one another, but who are tethered together by a pair of wristbands they have to knock together every 24 hours or they'll dissolve into atoms (said wristbands also give them superpowers). I really like that premise, and they have a good archenemy, too -- an artificially immortal version of Thomas Edison who's been busy stealing better inventors' creations, and wants to study our heroes' corpses. Q&W is a good chuckle, not quite as good a comic as A&A, but still worthwhile. Both series are available in four-issue trades, and alternatively in "deluxe editions", which collect about twelve issues each, which is handy. The Delinquents is included in the second Q&W deluxe edition.

Valiant's publishing habits are different to DC and Marvel, they generally focus on producing about 12- or 24-issue runs, then they put the character/s to bed for awhile before bringing them back with a new title awhile later. This spotty output actually gives one a bit more time to catch up with certain characters... I've pretty much bought the entirety of Valiant's output post- their 2012 comeback, and I'm gradually devouring the whole lot.

I'll post later about Ivar, Timewalker, who's a bit of a Doctor Who expy -- I'm really enjoying his series so far.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on June 12, 2020, 12:01:55 PM
Quote from: Artie Fufkin on May 18, 2020, 12:05:29 PM
Parasyte (sic), a manga novel, bought in a recent ComiXology sale. It's started off really well. A nice idea.
I've just noticed there's a TV adaptation of this.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on June 12, 2020, 12:05:27 PM
Quote from: samadriel on June 12, 2020, 07:09:23 AM
I'll post later about Ivar, Timewalker, who's a bit of a Doctor Who expy -- I'm really enjoying his series so far.
I've had issue 1 for ages, but never gotten around to reading it. Looks cool, though.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on June 12, 2020, 04:42:43 PM
EDIT: never mind, wrong thread!
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on June 12, 2020, 06:20:11 PM
Just heard that Denny O'Neil has died - https://www.gamesradar.com/uk/legendary-batman-writer-denny-oneil-dies-at-age-81/?region-switch=1591979590&fbclid=IwAR1gMEeavG8ciUsfrd_WMrnmZnUyMuxhLBOgnGYv-ewHgVN4zioTm-R3FJ0 - I really loved his eighties take on The Question, I haven't revisited it so I don't know how it stands up but it impressed back then, and his work elsewhere tended to be pretty strong at the very least, so this is very sad news.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on June 13, 2020, 12:59:59 AM
Quote from: samadriel on June 12, 2020, 07:09:23 AM
Quantum & Woody are more flat-out comedic than A&A, and more superheroic, kind of a cross between Deadpool and Heroes for Hire.
...  basically, the plot is that they're adoptive brothers who can't stand one another, but who are tethered together by a pair of wristbands they have to knock together every 24 hours or they'll dissolve into atoms

That's pretty much exactly the set up for (I think) Fabian Nicenza's Deadpool and Cable series! But if it works, it works I guess. Certainly sounds like a laugh - I'll give these comics a crack when the libraries reopen.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Custard on June 13, 2020, 12:32:54 PM
Been reading that Harley Quinn origin comic, Harleen, that's just come out, and it's actually very good.

The artwork is lovely, and the writing is strong also. Having a really young and good looking Joker feels a bit weird, mind. It feels a bit Twilight in places

I've read two of the three books so far, through nefarious means, as DC charging 6.99 for a 60 page digital comic is criminal in itself. Comixology is/was giving away the first one for free, mind
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: samadriel on June 13, 2020, 01:32:12 PM
I'm a bit torn on Stjepan Sejic's writing, which I find a bit silly and sort of airhead-y at times (based on his original stuff he's posted on Deviant Art), but I love his art, I must have a read of Harleen after I'm done with Timewalker.

Edit:
Quote from: Mister Six on June 13, 2020, 12:59:59 AM
That's pretty much exactly the set up for (I think) Fabian Nicenza's Deadpool and Cable series! But if it works, it works I guess. Certainly sounds like a laugh - I'll give these comics a crack when the libraries reopen.
Funnily enough, I'm pretty sure Nicenza was the editor of the original Q&W comics in the mid-90s. Plenty of room for more than one Odd Couple in the superhero genre though.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Glitch King on June 14, 2020, 09:36:50 AM
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Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Custard on June 15, 2020, 12:36:22 PM
Blimey, Comixology giving away quite a lot of Black Panther collections for free at the moment
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: samadriel on June 15, 2020, 03:08:17 PM
Cool, I'll gives those a punt, maybe I'll read them after I've done Charles Soule's Daredevil run.

Well, Timewalker got a bit too convoluted, and I'm not sure I enjoyed the reappearance of The Null from Archer and Armstrong. It also tied up Ivar's timeline a little tightly by the end -- I would've preferred a bit more Doctor Who-like openness to his unseen adventures. There kind of is some room for that, but it depends how you interpret the way things worked out at the end. In conclusion, I didn't like the third volume as much as the first two, but those first two were quite good. Archer and Armstrong are pretty much required reading before the third volume of Timewalker, which is editorially unusual for Valiant, and would have put me off if A&A wasn't actually a really good comic that I had, in fact, read.

Now I've got a ton of the next Archer & Armstrong and Ninjak to read, but I might take a break from Valiant first and get stuck into DC's "Harleen" and Marvel's aforementioned Daredevil run -- I'm looking forward to Soule writing DD testifying to the Supreme Court.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on June 17, 2020, 07:20:47 PM
Warren Ellis has been accused of shitty behaviour towards women (http://www.multiversitycomics.com/news/warren-ellis-allegations/) and Cameron Stewart has been accused of grooming teens as young as 16 (https://www.comicsbeat.com/cameron-stewart-sexual-misconduct-allegations/). :(

Ellis doesn't surprise me, the way he used to surround himself with scene/goth girls in his Planetary days, but Stewart came as a shock. That's probably just because his art is so poppy and accessible, though, which I know is shallow.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Custard on June 17, 2020, 11:31:03 PM
Here's more info on Stewart
https://thewest.com.au/news/social/batgirl-writer-cameron-stewart-accused-of-grooming-model-aviva-mai-ng-b881580532z.amp

And more on Ellis
http://www.multiversitycomics.com/news/warren-ellis-allegations/

Maaaates
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on June 18, 2020, 06:04:13 AM
Quote from: Shameless Custard on June 17, 2020, 11:31:03 PM
Here's more info on Stewart
https://thewest.com.au/news/social/batgirl-writer-cameron-stewart-accused-of-grooming-model-aviva-mai-ng-b881580532z.amp

And more on Ellis
http://www.multiversitycomics.com/news/warren-ellis-allegations/

Maaaates

Stewart's more shocking because of the titles he's worked on and his efforts to de-objectify female characters, so that they're not just hot models in lycra.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: 13 schoolyards on June 18, 2020, 01:12:15 PM
I almost feel slightly sorry for Ellis, as it seems like he's been trying to get his act together over the last decade - dropping his fairly creepy online persona, increasingly working outside of comics and actually finishing (most of) the comic series he's started.

But yeah, there was a long stretch there where this kind of news wouldn't have been remotely surprising. That time his hard drive and back-ups all failed at exactly the same time so he couldn't properly finish any of the comics he was working on always seemed like there was more going on there.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on June 18, 2020, 01:15:14 PM
Quote from: Mister Six on June 17, 2020, 07:20:47 PM
Warren Ellis has been accused of shitty behaviour towards women (http://www.multiversitycomics.com/news/warren-ellis-allegations/) and Cameron Stewart has been accused of grooming teens as young as 16 (https://www.comicsbeat.com/cameron-stewart-sexual-misconduct-allegations/). :(

Ellis doesn't surprise me, the way he used to surround himself with scene/goth girls in his Planetary days, but Stewart came as a shock. That's probably just because his art is so poppy and accessible, though, which I know is shallow.
That's all rather depressing. Ellis is the 2nd big reason I got back into comics in my 'adult' life. Sigh.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on June 18, 2020, 02:01:17 PM
Quote from: Artie Fufkin on June 18, 2020, 01:15:14 PM
That's all rather depressing. Ellis is the 2nd big reason I got back into comics in my 'adult' life. Sigh.

I'm a big fan of Ellis's too, but what's come out so far won't put me off reading him - perhaps I've missed something, but the youngest person involved was 19, and it appears he basically became friendly, wanted to have sex with them, and then ignored them if they weren't interested, which might be shitty behaviour giving his stature in the industry, but I don't think it should be of the career destroying variety.

I do want to stress I've only read that one article though, and don't know the ins and outs of the story.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on June 19, 2020, 05:02:10 AM
The impression I'm getting is that he basically used his comic book superstar status to set himself up as a mentor/friend figure to young women who were aspiring creators, then started needling them to have six with him or send him nudes. Then once he got bored of them (or if they mentioned having other male mentors) he'd cut off all contact.

It's nowhere near as bad as Cameron Stewart's alleged grooming of a 16-year-old, and it's unfortunate that it's displaced that story in the public eye - for a start he was in his twenties or early thirties at the time and the women were in their twenties too - but it is shitty behaviour. More importantly, the power difference between one of the biggest comic book authors (as he was then) and some young rando on a webforum is massive, and he was (allegedly) cynically exploiting that.

I don't think it's so bad his career will never recover - in fact it looks like he might have given up that alleged behaviour a while back - but I think if it's true, it's worth saying because it identifies a real problem of toxic behaviour endemic to the comics industry.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on June 19, 2020, 05:22:50 AM
Ellis has done one of those boilerplate "I will now step back and listen" not-apology apologies: https://twitter.com/warrenellis/status/1273785757338083328?s=19

His claims of not knowing that he held a position of power would be more convincing if he hadn't spent a decent chunk of the '00s giving Los powers to women on his forums and calling them his "filthy assistants" or whatever it was.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: 13 schoolyards on June 19, 2020, 06:58:35 AM
That apology is pretty boilerplate, though it's always hard to know how a creative type perceives their own success (or lack thereof). Compared to most of the UK comic writers of his generation, he probably was (and is) at the rear of the pack - Garth Ennis is younger than him and was a bigger star in the 90s thanks to Preacher, Grant Morrison was a bigger name as well, Neil Gaiman was only a few years older and Alan Moore was a few years older still.

Even in comics now, someone like Kieron Gillen is probably a bigger name as far as sales goes. So it's at least possible that he might see himself as a bit of an also-ran, considering his old Marvel stablemate Mark Millar has had a bunch of big name movies, Ennis has had his creator-owned work adapted into two high-profile live-action TV series and all Ellis has got is a Netflix cartoon based on a video game.

Mind you, he clearly still had a lot of industry clout and his own forums were wildly influential. So yeah, not completely convincing there.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on June 19, 2020, 02:37:42 PM
Anyone here reading 2000 AD currently? I'm toying with the idea of jumping on again (I seem to get this urge every 6 months). Is it golden at the moment? Or mweh.
I think I stopped about 6 years ago, just as it came out of a golden era. Having read Cabillistics Inc recently, it's spiked my urge.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on June 19, 2020, 04:07:25 PM
Quote from: Mister Six on June 19, 2020, 05:02:10 AM
The impression I'm getting is that he basically used his comic book superstar status to set himself up as a mentor/friend figure to young women who were aspiring creators, then started needling them to have six with him or send him nudes. Then once he got bored of them (or if they mentioned having other male mentors) he'd cut off all contact.

It's nowhere near as bad as Cameron Stewart's alleged grooming of a 16-year-old, and it's unfortunate that it's displaced that story in the public eye - for a start he was in his twenties or early thirties at the time and the women were in their twenties too - but it is shitty behaviour. More importantly, the power difference between one of the biggest comic book authors (as he was then) and some young rando on a webforum is massive, and he was (allegedly) cynically exploiting that.

I don't think it's so bad his career will never recover - in fact it looks like he might have given up that alleged behaviour a while back - but I think if it's true, it's worth saying because it identifies a real problem of toxic behaviour endemic to the comics industry.

Quote from: Mister Six on June 19, 2020, 05:22:50 AM
Ellis has done one of those boilerplate "I will now step back and listen" not-apology apologies: https://twitter.com/warrenellis/status/1273785757338083328?s=19

His claims of not knowing that he held a position of power would be more convincing if he hadn't spent a decent chunk of the '00s giving Los powers to women on his forums and calling them his "filthy assistants" or whatever it was.

It's not a great apology but it's better than many that I've read, and after what you've said above while it definitely seems like he's acted shittily I hope it doesn't fuck up his career. That said, reading ten great issues of a comic and then seeing the creator get bored of it wouldn't exactly be a huge loss in my life.

Quote from: Artie Fufkin on June 19, 2020, 02:37:42 PM
Anyone here reading 2000 AD currently? I'm toying with the idea of jumping on again (I seem to get this urge every 6 months). Is it golden at the moment? Or mweh.
I think I stopped about 6 years ago, just as it came out of a golden era. Having read Cabillistics Inc recently, it's spiked my urge.

I dip in from time to time, normally still enjoy Dredd and find one of the other strips to be fun enough, but then struggle with the rest of it. Just going to check out issue 2185 now to see if that still applies and shall report back...

Edit:

Dredd - A nicely grim story where things look pretty fucked up for Dredd and co and a cowboy who claims he's 300 years old and has fought his way through the afterlife to return to Earth might be the world's only hope.

Sinister Dexter - Alas I've never got on with this though I know it's a fan favourite, but I've just never clicked with it.

Full Tilt Boogie - Written by Alex De Campi, who I've never heard of before, it's a weird old thing about a futuristic assassin, it's a little too early to judge and I liked elements, but others didn't quite work (for me at least).

The Order - Set in 1794, some folks and robots have travelled back in time to kidnap Benjamin Franklin. The art's annoyingly sometimes great and sometimes weak, but the story's amusing enough and I quite enjoyed this.

The Diaboliks - Really confused by this, the story's okay but the art is often appalling, I kept on wondering if it was just me but re-reading it some panels work but others look like they're half finished, as if the artist couldn't be arsed to spend more than two minutes on them.

Overall: Can't say it's worth the money (er, if I'd paid for it) and I won't be dipping back in again for a while now.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on June 19, 2020, 04:39:56 PM
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on June 19, 2020, 04:07:25 PM
I dip in from time to time, normally still enjoy Dredd and find one of the other strips to be fun enough, but then struggle with the rest of it. Just going to check out issue 2185 now to see if that still applies and shall report back...

Edit:

Dredd - A nicely grim story where things look pretty fucked up for Dredd and co and a cowboy who claims he's 300 years old and has fought his way through the afterlife to return to Earth might be the world's only hope.

Sinister Dexter - Alas I've never got on with this though I know it's a fan favourite, but I've just never clicked with it.

Full Tilt Boogie - Written by Alex De Campi, who I've never heard of before, it's a weird old thing about a futuristic assassin, it's a little too early to judge and I liked elements, but others didn't quite work (for me at least).

The Order - Set in 1794, some folks and robots have travelled back in time to kidnap Benjamin Franklin. The art's annoyingly sometimes great and sometimes weak, but the story's amusing enough and I quite enjoyed this.

The Diaboliks - Really confused by this, the story's okay but the art is often appalling, I kept on wondering if it was just me but re-reading it some panels work but others look like they're half finished, as if the artist couldn't be arsed to spend more than two minutes on them.

Overall: Can't say it's worth the money (er, if I'd paid for it) and I won't be dipping back in again for a while now.

Oh. Well. That's another disappointment today. But thanks for the review. I may wait another 6 months......
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on June 19, 2020, 04:40:36 PM
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on June 19, 2020, 04:07:25 PM

Dredd - A nicely grim story where things look pretty fucked up for Dredd and co and a cowboy who claims he's 300 years old and has fought his way through the afterlife to return to Earth might be the world's only hope.

I do like the sound of this, however.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on June 19, 2020, 04:42:39 PM
Quote from: Artie Fufkin on June 19, 2020, 04:40:36 PM
I do like the sound of this, however.

Well some people I know still really like it, so maybe I'm being overly harsh. And I just read the following issue and though I largely feel the same way, now I'm really enjoying The Order, and will pick it up in graphic novel form when it's eventually released.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on June 20, 2020, 04:28:12 AM
Quote from: 13 schoolyards on June 19, 2020, 06:58:35 AM
That apology is pretty boilerplate, though it's always hard to know how a creative type perceives their own success (or lack thereof). Compared to most of the UK comic writers of his generation, he probably was (and is) at the rear of the pack - Garth Ennis is younger than him and was a bigger star in the 90s thanks to Preacher, Grant Morrison was a bigger name as well, Neil Gaiman was only a few years older and Alan Moore was a few years older still.

Even in comics now, someone like Kieron Gillen is probably a bigger name as far as sales goes. So it's at least possible that he might see himself as a bit of an also-ran, considering his old Marvel stablemate Mark Millar has had a bunch of big name movies, Ennis has had his creator-owned work adapted into two high-profile live-action TV series and all Ellis has got is a Netflix cartoon based on a video game.

Mind you, he clearly still had a lot of industry clout and his own forums were wildly influential. So yeah, not completely convincing there.

Most of these cases seem to be from his golden period in the late 90s-mid 00s where he was pretty much the biggest comic book writer of his generation. Stormwatch, Planetary and The Authority shat all over Ennis's sales in just about anything, and Transmetropolitan was his big Vertigo critical success.

The WEF and his subsequent forums (only Mark Millar had anything comparable) were also full of sycophants, male and female, vying for his attention. He had his own mailing list and blog. Kevin Smith was doing parodies of his forums in Jay & Silent Bob comics (complete with American forum users pretending to be British by saying bollocks all the time). He was hot shit and ge fucking knew it.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: 13 schoolyards on June 20, 2020, 06:33:29 AM
Quote from: Mister Six on June 20, 2020, 04:28:12 AM
Most of these cases seem to be from his golden period in the late 90s-mid 00s where he was pretty much the biggest comic book writer of his generation. Stormwatch, Planetary and The Authority shat all over Ennis's sales in just about anything, and Transmetropolitan was his big Vertigo critical success.

The WEF and his subsequent forums (only Mark Millar had anything comparable) were also full of sycophants, male and female, vying for his attention. He had his own mailing list and blog. Kevin Smith was doing parodies of his forums in Jay & Silent Bob comics (complete with American forum users pretending to be British by saying bollocks all the time). He was hot shit and ge fucking knew it.

He definitely had his moment in the sun, but IIRC it was relatively brief - Planetary took ages to finish up, and for a few years it looked like it never would. The Authority was pre-9/11 too - I remember Bryan Hitch was doing a one-off stand-alone story after Ellis had left that was cancelled outright because that whole "widescreen destruction" thing was extremely out of favour. I feel like almost all his writing peers had a real period of a couple of years where they were standing out - Ennis with Preacher, Morrison with JLA, then Millar with The Ultimates - in a way Ellis only briefly had.

Then again, supposedly (someone on twitter has set up a private server for people who want to come forward) there's well over 50 people who've come forward about Ellis' behaviour towards them, including someone who's said he approached her within the last year. So however he saw himself, this looks like something he was committed to doing. DC have dumped him from one (minor) project already as well.

Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on June 20, 2020, 06:59:44 AM
Quote from: 13 schoolyards on June 20, 2020, 06:33:29 AM
He definitely had his moment in the sun, but IIRC it was relatively brief

It was from about 1997ish (Stormwatch) through to about 2007ish, when the number of unfinished titles became too large and too laughable to deny, and he was increasingly frittering his time away on minis and one-shots of minimal appeal and zero longevity. Whether or not that's a long time is irrelevant - he was huge, and he knew it. Certainly bigger than Ennis ever was, in terms of both impact on comics and individual issues sold.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: 13 schoolyards on June 20, 2020, 08:20:14 AM
Quote from: Mister Six on June 20, 2020, 06:59:44 AM
It was from about 1997ish (Stormwatch) through to about 2007ish, when the number of unfinished titles became too large and too laughable to deny, and he was increasingly frittering his time away on minis and one-shots of minimal appeal and zero longevity. Whether or not that's a long time is irrelevant - he was huge, and he knew it. Certainly bigger than Ennis ever was, in terms of both impact on comics and individual issues sold.

I'd disagree about Ennis's impact - Preacher was absolutely huge in the mid 90s, and his Hellblazer run before that was no small potatoes either. But that's just my memories from the period. I read Transmetropolitian as it was coming out but never really considered it a big deal, but going by the number of people even today who cite it as a formative experience clearly it was much more influential than I thought. I was also surprised to find his computer failure was in 2009 - I thought it was much earlier than that.

The one thing I will say in Ellis' defense is that unlike his peers he seemed to be the only one of his generation who was / is still actively improving as a writer. I think Ennis can still deliver the goods on a good day, but most of his other 90s comrades have fallen off a bit whereas Ellis has (IMHO) improved as a comic writer over the last decade.

I can't imagine he'll be doing anything in comics from now on though - he can stay somewhat hidden with his TV work and that apology of his seemed drafted by the Netflix lawyers so I'd assume his best case scenario is that his name will be buried in the credits of various animation projects from here on in.

Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on June 20, 2020, 03:39:25 PM
Ennis's Hellblazer run was Vertigo's second-biggest-selling title behind The Sandman in the early 90s. I'm super Preacher was similarly popular.

But those are Vertigo sales, and superhero stuff massively outstrips that. Authority and Planetary in particular were absolutely massive with superhero readers, and basically shaped superhero comic storytelling industry-wide.

Ennis has continued to grow as a writer, he's just mostly doing it outside the big two for the most part, because they have almost no series that aren't basically superhero books. A Walk Through Hell was fantastic, and that finished last year.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Peter St. John on June 20, 2020, 06:00:38 PM
Are we talking direct market sales here? Because Preacher looks like it outsold The Authority and Planetary pretty regularly:

https://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/1999/1999-04.html (44k for Preacher / 33k each for Authority / Planetary)

https://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2000/2000-01.html(39k Preacher / 31k Authority)

https://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2000/2000-03.html (39k Preacher / 30k Authority / 31k Planetary)

Don't know about GN sales, but given the longer lifespan of Preacher, plus the TV show, I'd imagine they're higher too.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Phil_A on June 21, 2020, 10:42:16 AM
Quote from: Artie Fufkin on June 19, 2020, 02:37:42 PM
Anyone here reading 2000 AD currently? I'm toying with the idea of jumping on again (I seem to get this urge every 6 months). Is it golden at the moment? Or mweh.
I think I stopped about 6 years ago, just as it came out of a golden era. Having read Cabillistics Inc recently, it's spiked my urge.

One of the new strips, Diaboliks, is a direct sequel to Caballistics Inc, if that affects your decision at all!

Quote from: Artie Fufkin on June 19, 2020, 04:39:56 PM
Oh. Well. That's another disappointment today. But thanks for the review. I may wait another 6 months......

Now, I'm not necessarily saying SMBH has been paid off by the Dictators Of Zrag to disrupt the vital transmission of Thrillpower, but I feel we must consider that scenario as a possibility.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: samadriel on June 22, 2020, 11:23:13 AM
Well, Harleen was great -- a much healthier (in the sense of being well-rounded and rewarding to the audience) vision of the character than Margo Robbie's take, which I enjoy, but which isn't nearly as good as this. Now I'd like to see Sejic do a non-origin Harley story, something handling the humour of Harley, but backed up by this fleshed-out origin. Maybe he could involve Poison Ivy -- I've read him do Ivy/Harley stories before, and I really enjoyed that.

  I don't think Sejic had really mastered the character of Harvey Dent, but he was a side-note, so it doesn't really matter.

Shit, I just remembered, Sejic recently said he doesn't want to do other people's characters anymore. Bit of a shame considering how well he did here, but I can understand the desire to focus on one's own property as the years slip away. I bought one of his books on comixology, I'll give it a go in the future.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on June 22, 2020, 01:04:27 PM
Quote from: Phil_A on June 21, 2020, 10:42:16 AM
One of the new strips, Diaboliks, is a direct sequel to Caballistics Inc, if that affects your decision at all!
Oooh, really?? Hmmmm. May have to take a look at that then.
Quote from: Phil_A on June 21, 2020, 10:42:16 AM
Now, I'm not necessarily saying SMBH has been paid off by the Dictators Of Zrag to disrupt the vital transmission of Thrillpower, but I feel we must consider that scenario as a possibility.
LOLZ - What a grexnix!
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on June 22, 2020, 08:42:10 PM
Quote from: Phil_A on June 21, 2020, 10:42:16 AM
One of the new strips, Diaboliks, is a direct sequel to Caballistics Inc, if that affects your decision at all!

Now, I'm not necessarily saying SMBH has been paid off by the Dictators Of Zrag to disrupt the vital transmission of Thrillpower, but I feel we must consider that scenario as a possibility.

Nice try, but my hair is lustrous and beautiful so I clearly can't be one of those gorgeous bastards.

Quote from: Mister Six on June 20, 2020, 03:39:25 PM
Ennis has continued to grow as a writer, he's just mostly doing it outside the big two for the most part, because they have almost no series that aren't basically superhero books. A Walk Through Hell was fantastic, and that finished last year.

I'd not heard of A Walk Through Hell but am three issues in so far and enjoying it a lot, so thanks for the recommendation.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on June 22, 2020, 08:56:45 PM
Quote from: Peter St. John on June 20, 2020, 06:00:38 PM
Are we talking direct market sales here? Because Preacher looks like it outsold The Authority and Planetary pretty regularly:

https://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/1999/1999-04.html (44k for Preacher / 33k each for Authority / Planetary)

https://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2000/2000-01.html(39k Preacher / 31k Authority)

https://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2000/2000-03.html (39k Preacher / 30k Authority / 31k Planetary)

Don't know about GN sales, but given the longer lifespan of Preacher, plus the TV show, I'd imagine they're higher too.

Ah, shit, I misremembered. Anyway, the point remains - Ellis was a top-selling comic book celebrity at the time, and he knew it.

Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on June 22, 2020, 08:42:10 PM
I'd not heard of A Walk Through Hell but am three issues in so far and enjoying it a lot, so thanks for the recommendation.

Hooray, hope you like it! I did feel genuinely worried for Ennis's mental health after reading that one though.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Peter St. John on June 23, 2020, 02:09:44 AM
Quote from: Mister Six on June 22, 2020, 08:56:45 PM
Ah, shit, I misremembered. Anyway, the point remains - Ellis was a top-selling comic book celebrity at the time, and he knew it.

Yes, definitely agree - I was on the WEF back in the day, and there's no absolutely no way that Ellis didn't think of himself in that manner. 'Stalin', the 'Filthy Assistants', various satellite fora surrounding his own - he absolutely knew.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: 13 schoolyards on June 23, 2020, 06:40:01 AM
Quote from: Peter St. John on June 23, 2020, 02:09:44 AM
Yes, definitely agree - I was on the WEF back in the day, and there's no absolutely no way that Ellis didn't think of himself in that manner. 'Stalin', the 'Filthy Assistants', various satellite fora surrounding his own - he absolutely knew.

I'd previously thought his WEF antics (and the slightly toned down version on the Whitechapel forums) were a bit of an act - he'd said elsewhere that he (and every other UK comic book author) had seen how Neil Gaiman had become a star by relentless touring and promoting himself as a brand similar to his comic's main character, and that Ellis' online persona was the stay-at-home Transmetropolitian version of that.

But with the sheer number of women coming forward about Ellis' activities over the past week and the length of time involved - it seems to be behaviour stretching over 20 years - clearly he knew exactly what he was doing all the way down the line. So whatever his actual status, my earlier comments about it were wrong: he definitely saw himself as powerful enough to get away with this shit.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Phil_A on June 24, 2020, 09:04:53 AM
To be honest I was always a bit put off by the mildly weird and obsessive personality cult Ellis evidently allowed to flourish around himself. I've seen the kind of situation before when a creator is heavily involved with their own fandom and it usually doesn't end well.

To my eyes at least it was something of a mystery how he'd attained comics superstar status, based on the work of his I have read (although not as baffling as Mark Millar's continued success).
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: 13 schoolyards on June 24, 2020, 11:53:07 AM
It seemed to sort of make sense at the time - his outsized status in the industry was in part thanks to his early online presence, and when things started to drop off in the mid-to-late-00s he could use his direct line to his adoring fans to present his fading mainstream position as a result of his shift to online and creator-owned work.

The publicity angle always seemed a little dubious, considering Ennis (in contrast) notoriously has nothing to do with the internet and seems to be doing just fine with his career, but now it really does just seem like it was a front for Ellis' sex club. And possibly as a way to do real-time damage control on a career that often looked a little erratic - lots of very short run series, artists quitting projects, announced projects never materialising, pulling out of a two book contract after the first book, and so on.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on June 24, 2020, 12:26:42 PM
Quote from: Phil_A on June 24, 2020, 09:04:53 AM
To my eyes at least it was something of a mystery how he'd attained comics superstar status, based on the work of his I have read (although not as baffling as Mark Millar's continued success).

I'm a really big fan of Ellis (or was, anyhow), as I moan about on a regular basis he has an annoyingly short attention span but some of his work (The Authority, Planetary, Trees, his six issue run on Moon Knight) are among my favourite comics, so it's bleak to discover that he's something of a cunt.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on June 24, 2020, 12:40:23 PM
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on June 24, 2020, 12:26:42 PM
I'm a really big fan of Ellis (or was, anyhow), as I moan about on a regular basis he has an annoyingly short attention span but some of his work (The Authority, Planetary, Trees, his six issue run on Moon Knight) are among my favourite comics, so it's bleak to discover that he's something of a cunt.
Yep. Very depressing. I had a lot of time for Ellis. Doctor Sleepless/Fell/Transmetropolitan/Planetary/Trees. I loved all of those. Also his book, Gun Machine. He always seemed like a decent guy when I read his mailouts. You just don't know, do you.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on June 24, 2020, 04:01:29 PM
You can trace Ellis's burgeoning popularity and thinning attention span through Transmet. It starts off as a bunch of idea-packed one shots with strong emerging character and story arcs, but by the end (or last third, at least) he's turning in issues that are just 21 splash pages with no dialogue (I'm looking at you, Dirge arc). It's a wonder it was kept on schedule and actually concluded, but I get the impression Vertigo's editors were a cut above the folks at Wildstorm and Avatar.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: 13 schoolyards on June 24, 2020, 04:28:51 PM
He did seem to have figured out how to get around his lack of sustained interest over the last decade or so by coming up with over-arching series concepts that he could dip in and out of with shorter arcs. I wonder how much his troubles with artists affected his ability to keep his own interest up - with Nextwave he delivered 12 fairly consistent issues, and Doctor Sleepless seemed to be holding together reasonably well up until it fell apart (though I dimly remember reading what turned out to be the final issue thinking Ellis was trying to riff on The Wire of all things, so i could be wrong there).
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: chveik on June 24, 2020, 04:38:01 PM
Trees and Injection were great but he didn't seem very arsed to finish them
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: 13 schoolyards on June 24, 2020, 04:42:25 PM
Quote from: chveik on June 24, 2020, 04:38:01 PM
Trees and Injection were great but he didn't seem very arsed to finish them

Injection was meant to have one final arc but the artist had better things to do (supposedly). That last run of Trees was good as something stand-alone, but it seemed designed to get rid of whatever audience the first two series had built up
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Custard on June 25, 2020, 11:00:51 AM
Just finished the recent Criminal revival by Brubaker and Phillips. 12 issues, and now it's gone on hiatus again

It was very good, and focuses on Teeg. Great writing and gorgeous artwork, as usual. What a team those two make

Finished Near Death, by Jay Faerber. It was alright. Seems like a bit of a homage to the works of Brubaker and Phillips, though not as good.

Basically a hitman nearly dies, and feels like he visits Hell briefly. Though he is revived, and upon awaking decides he never wants to go back there. Que twelve issues of him trying to be a better person, and only being violent towards people who deserve it. Why he couldn't go off and work for an abandoned puppy charity or something, I don't know

The writing is a bit clunky, but it's entertaining enough for a short run
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: ads82 on July 03, 2020, 07:38:33 PM
A great deal for those enjoy Image comics:

https://www.humblebundle.com/books/image-comics-showcase-books?hmb_source=navbar&hmb_medium=product_tile&hmb_campaign=tile_index_3
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: samadriel on July 04, 2020, 01:24:36 PM
Wrath of the Eternal Warrior introduced a damn good villain in The Dying One, and towards the end it manages to somehow make previously-trod territory exciting, but, if you'll pardon the spoiler, it ends on a happy ending note for Gilad, in a way that doesn't really work because this is serial superhero fiction, and we know Gilad's got to return somehow in the future. It's a nice ending, but blunted by that fact. Still, looking forward to reading Ninjak vs the Dying One eventually.

"A&A: Archer and Armstrong", the second series of the eponymous heroes' adventures, doesn't start well. As the first issue goes by, I was hating the angular art, and found the dialogue cliche and stupid. However, the first volume has really grown on me; I came to like the quite European art style, forgiving it the odd stubby nose or excessively stocky Armstrong, and for the first time in an Archer & Armstrong book, I started to really like Mary-Maria and her coterie of nuns. The idea behind the main villain and the massive showdown with him were good fun, and it ends on a minor revelation/cliffhanger that has me looking forward to the next few volumes of A&A. Especially with Faith being on the cover of part 2. Good timez.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on July 08, 2020, 10:54:30 AM
Does anyone know if there are any collections or online source of Deadline?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Old Gold Tooth on July 08, 2020, 11:54:15 AM
Issue 8 of Warren Ellis' The Batman's Grave has been released, slightly surprisingly. Although I think from his newsletter this was the last issue he had completed, so I can understand why DC would want to put it out there if it was ready to publish. But I think the chances of this run being completed are basically zero.

Also just noticed his writer's bio on the DC site has not aged well:
"Ellis lives outside London, on the south-east coast of England, in case he needs to make a quick getaway."
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Phil_A on July 08, 2020, 09:32:44 PM
Quote from: kidsick5000 on July 08, 2020, 10:54:30 AM
Does anyone know if there are any collections or online source of Deadline?

I've got some odd issues that are pretty much the only ones that have turned up online that I know of. It goes something like 1-6, then 10, 11, 16, 17, 21, 24. Not much I know, but I can share them if you want?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: 13 schoolyards on July 09, 2020, 12:04:52 PM
Quote from: Old Gold Tooth on July 08, 2020, 11:54:15 AM
Issue 8 of Warren Ellis' The Batman's Grave has been released, slightly surprisingly. Although I think from his newsletter this was the last issue he had completed, so I can understand why DC would want to put it out there if it was ready to publish. But I think the chances of this run being completed are basically zero.

I suspect the opposite - while DC is unlikely to be offering him any work in the near future, a half-finished project (with an artist who's done nothing wrong) seems like pretty much the only way Ellis will get any new comic work out there for a while to come. Not that he'll be promoting it or anything, but it'll keep turning up in stores for those who want it unless Hitch walks away - and according to his twitter account, he's still drawing new pages.

A twitter controversy that didn't involve criminal charges and has already faded into the general #cancelled scrum of comics dirtbags for many is not going to stop DC from completing a fairly major Batman book that you'd assume will sell reasonably well for years in collected form. After all, reportedly it was Ellis that pulled his upcoming story from that Death Metal special rather than DC cancelling it - being so firmly online, Ellis is probably a lot more in tune with the optics of such things than DC.

Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Old Gold Tooth on July 09, 2020, 02:16:59 PM
Quote from: 13 schoolyards on July 09, 2020, 12:04:52 PM
After all, reportedly it was Ellis that pulled his upcoming story from that Death Metal special rather than DC cancelling it - being so firmly online, Ellis is probably a lot more in tune with the optics of such things than DC.

Ah I didn't know this, I did assume the opposite and thought that DC was pulling all Ellis content to try and keep themselves away from the potential backlash.

It will certainly be interesting to see the impact this has on his already slow workrate. Don't imagine Injection Vol. 4 will be appearing any time soon (I bloody love Injection).
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on July 09, 2020, 02:23:39 PM
Quote from: Phil_A on July 08, 2020, 09:32:44 PM
I've got some odd issues that are pretty much the only ones that have turned up online that I know of. It goes something like 1-6, then 10, 11, 16, 17, 21, 24. Not much I know, but I can share them if you want?

Yes please. That would be excellent
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: 13 schoolyards on July 09, 2020, 03:17:32 PM
Quote from: Old Gold Tooth on July 09, 2020, 02:16:59 PM
It will certainly be interesting to see the impact this has on his already slow workrate. Don't imagine Injection Vol. 4 will be appearing any time soon (I bloody love Injection).

Yeah, Injection will be the one I'll miss - It really seemed like it was holding his interest, even if (I think) he said Vol 4 was going to wrap it all up.

I suspect his Image work will all be quietly shelved and whatever he does in future will be in television where he can lay low. Re-reading some of Transmetropolitan recently, even that has moments where (now) it seems like he's covering his tracks - there's a couple of examples of Spider treating women disposably for his own ends that are seen as A Bad Thing, and in the foreword to the last Absolute edition Ellis says he wouldn't want to revisit the character as he doesn't think he was in a good place writing him. If it hadn't come out that he was still up to no good extremely recently, he probably could have replied to it all with "I've changed" and gotten away with it.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on July 09, 2020, 11:51:48 PM
Seconding the call for those Deadline issues. I'd love to read them!
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Phil_A on July 10, 2020, 12:02:45 PM
Quote from: kidsick5000 on July 09, 2020, 02:23:39 PM
Yes please. That would be excellent

Quote from: Mister Six on July 09, 2020, 11:51:48 PM
Seconding the call for those Deadline issues. I'd love to read them!

Check your PMs, gents!
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on July 10, 2020, 11:57:39 PM
Thanks Phil, you're a star!
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on July 12, 2020, 08:26:37 PM
Last year DC released a 20 minute animated short film about Neil Gaiman's version of Death, written by J.M. DeMatteis. I'm quite fond of DeMatteis but this is largely shit, it revolves around a heroine addicted artist but is painfully on the nose, Death isn't in it that much but when she is she's quite bland, and the look of it all is fairly average too, and worst of all is the pay off
Spoiler alert
where the now dead artist draws Death and it looks like a sort of cutesy manga version of the character, but is supposed to be amazing,
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is really ridiculous, and overall it's a massive disappointment. 4.4/10
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Pingers on July 20, 2020, 09:13:17 PM
I'm not a big reader of graphic novels or comics, but my 12 year old loves Manga and anime. We're going camping in a couple of weeks and he can't think of any manga he wants to take cos he's read a lot and watched loads of anime so doesn't want to read those manga cos he knows the stories now. So I want to get him some non-manga graphic novels for something different but could use some pointers. He's pretty mature for 12 and likes sci-fi / fantasy more than most genres, although does like slice of life anime. Monstress looks good and I'll take my copy of Watchmen, but has anyone got any other recommends? Thanks
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: samadriel on July 21, 2020, 04:45:53 AM
I reckon Bone by Jeff Smith would be a satisfying read for a 12 year old gentleman. It's a massive tome, so it might cost a bit, but you'd get a lot of reading for your buck.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Pingers on July 21, 2020, 07:48:19 AM
Cheers for the recommendation
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on July 21, 2020, 09:14:12 AM
Just bought vol 1 to 3 of Grant Morrison's run on Animal Man. I'm currently halfway through vol 3 of  his run on Doom Patrol which is COMPLETELY BONKERS, mate! Should I expect the same for Animal Man?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: 13 schoolyards on July 21, 2020, 12:53:58 PM
Morrison's Animal Man was a bit closer to traditional superhero stuff compared to Doom Patrol and having a more grounded central character puts a bit of a limit on the craziness (imagine if the Doom Patrol was just Cliff). But things do get increasingly weird there too, especially from the issues where he threatens to undo the original Crisis on Infinite Earths on.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: madhair60 on July 21, 2020, 01:10:12 PM
Quote from: Pingers on July 20, 2020, 09:13:17 PM
I'm not a big reader of graphic novels or comics, but my 12 year old loves Manga and anime. We're going camping in a couple of weeks and he can't think of any manga he wants to take cos he's read a lot and watched loads of anime so doesn't want to read those manga cos he knows the stories now. So I want to get him some non-manga graphic novels for something different but could use some pointers. He's pretty mature for 12 and likes sci-fi / fantasy more than most genres, although does like slice of life anime. Monstress looks good and I'll take my copy of Watchmen, but has anyone got any other recommends? Thanks

Unless you want to steer clear of Superhero stuff, Batman Adventures is a terrific all-ages Batman comic with no ties to the larger DC universe. Invincible from Image is similarly brilliant, but it gets very violent in later volumes.

Early Judge Dredd, like Complete Case Files 1 and 2 might be a good get unless that's a bit too archaic.

Moomin is always good, too. I wouldn't want to meet someone who couldn't appreciate Moomin.

On the manga side, Urusei Yatsura and Ranma 1/2 are fucking funny, but maybe too adult/sexual, I don't know. I think they're quite innocent and sweet myself. I read them as a kid, and now I tommy tank to pictures of anime girls every night.

These might be horrifically bad recommendations.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on July 21, 2020, 02:04:42 PM
I will second Invincible!
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on July 21, 2020, 02:05:54 PM
Quote from: 13 schoolyards on July 21, 2020, 12:53:58 PM
Morrison's Animal Man was a bit closer to traditional superhero stuff compared to Doom Patrol and having a more grounded central character puts a bit of a limit on the craziness (imagine if the Doom Patrol was just Cliff). But things do get increasingly weird there too, especially from the issues where he threatens to undo the original Crisis on Infinite Earths on.
*thumb*
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on July 21, 2020, 02:50:28 PM
Quote from: Artie Fufkin on July 21, 2020, 02:04:42 PM
I will second Invincible!

I'd third it too, it's just a really fun romp that perhaps went on a little too long but ended in a very satisfying manner. I just hope it doesn't work as a gateway drug to other Kirkman, The Walking Dead became so painful to read in the last 90 issues that it got to the point where I was being weirdly masochistic by still reading it.

As for other recommendations, it's a bit tough as I've no idea what 12 year old's are like these days, but bar the odd bit of swearing he should be safe with: Locke and Key by Joe Hill, Descender by Jeff Lemire, The Vision by Tom King, All Star Superman by Grant Morrison, Paper Girls by Brian K. Vaughan and Marvels by Kurt Busiek. Plus there's lots of old 2000AD stuff I'm very fond of like Dredd, Zenith, Hewligan's Haircut, Halo Jones, etc, etc, but I don't know how well a 12 year old would take to them.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Pingers on July 21, 2020, 04:12:20 PM
You are all gentlemen and scholars, even MadHair60 *wink*
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on July 22, 2020, 09:50:58 AM
Oooh. Sorry. Can I HIGHLY recommend Joe Kelly's I Kill Giants. Such a brilliant take on the 'coming of age' kind of thing. Brilliant stuff. He 'does' kids really well.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: sirhenry on July 22, 2020, 10:11:36 AM
Quote from: samadriel on July 21, 2020, 04:45:53 AM
I reckon Bone by Jeff Smith would be a satisfying read for a 12 year old gentleman. It's a massive tome, so it might cost a bit, but you'd get a lot of reading for your buck.
Seconded
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on July 23, 2020, 02:54:22 AM
Paper Girls is good - it's what I hoped Stranger Things would be. Four paper girls doing an early-morning delivery after Halloween find things going rapidly to shit when their town is invaded by... something. I've only read the first volume, mind, and it's a quick read. But everyone I know thinks it remains strong throughout. I think there's a Netflix series in the offing, so this is a chance to get in on the action before all the normies.

(https://www.syfy.com/sites/syfy/files/styles/large/public/paper-girls-tiffany-scene.jpg)

Will heartily second (EDIT: third) Bone. I picked up the lovely black and white single-volume edition years back and it was a hoot. Might look a bit "childish" if he's reading Watchmen too, but it's great, and it scales up into a properly epic story. Sort of like if three Looney Tunes characters wandered into the middle of The Lord of the Rings.

(https://i1.wp.com/www.comicsbeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Bone-pie-gag.png?resize=600%2C777)

(https://i1.wp.com/www.comicsbeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Bone-Hooded-one.png?resize=600%2C883)
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on July 23, 2020, 03:13:17 AM
Oh - two more. Bandette is a really, really funny comic about a French catburglar that works for both adults and kids. Really charming.

(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/65145844_10212919887546774_5547816304284532736_o.jpg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_sid=1480c5&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_ohc=OmTOtIhs_x8AX_2B1Nu&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-1.xx&tp=14&oh=327a537fa1d797e4447e7be7d0a6e762&oe=5F3D20A6)

And Beasts of Burden is a good bunch of spooky (and sometimes rather gruesome, but still funny) stories about a bunch of dogs and a cat who use magic to protect their town from all kinds of deadly threats. Gorgeous watercolour art, and fantastic characters.

(Click pics for bigness)

(https://i1.wp.com/www.comicsbeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/BoBPoO-Interior.jpg?ssl=1)

(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/vAfzv5ES8Ul5QBSPmNzMLgqGvWM-Rz8ZieVrftIIQxn3_dsdZIJEUi_1XLffW8KJ7IGcNvrHEBOA=s0)
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: magval on July 23, 2020, 06:17:59 AM
Can't be doing with that twee dialogue in the last page there. I wonder if that style of "um, so, yeeaaahhh" speech is a uniquely American contrivance.

The original 150-odd issue run of Ultimate Spider-Man is great and should be suitable for a 12 year old. Unlike most Marvel stuff it is straightforward to collect and has a definitive ending, too (although it continues on with a different character, after being reset to issue 1).
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on July 23, 2020, 02:03:32 PM
That's a good call, although I'd be wary of other bits of the Ultimate Marvel universe, which became a playground for Mark Millar's brand of charmless teenage edgy bullshit.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: samadriel on July 23, 2020, 02:14:09 PM
Yes, no human being should read Mark Millar comics; The Ultimates has its fans, and those fans are wrong. Among other issues, he truly wrote the worst depiction of Captain America that I can conceive of.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: magval on July 24, 2020, 09:24:34 AM
Correct - Ultimate Spider-Man is an absolute rarity. An 'elseworlds' line with a consistent creative team, a single main series with very few side books (which are collected in order in the graphics) and it's actually good. It's better than just about all the main Spider-Man books that ran at the same time, Paul Jenkins excepted.

Any other Ultimate Marvel I read was absolute rubbish. The rest of it was what you'd expect something the Ultimate line to be. USM was a happy accident.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: madhair60 on July 24, 2020, 11:21:04 AM
Quote from: Artie Fufkin on July 22, 2020, 09:50:58 AM
He 'does' kids really well.

hahaha
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Custard on July 24, 2020, 09:42:19 PM
Another fan of Ultimate Spider-Man here. It's a massive and great achievement

Went slightly wonky towards the end with crossovers an that, but the main run was excellent

Just finished the first volume of Ed Brisson's Sheltered, and really enjoying it

"The men and women of Safe Haven have been preparing for any and all end-of-world scenarios for years. However, their bunkers, weapons, and training can't save them from the one threat they never could have expected: their own children"

It's a bit like Lord Of The Flies meets The Walking Dead, though thankfully there are no zombies. Apparently there are only 15 issues, spread over three volumes, so it's short n sweet and hopefully keeps up the quality throughout
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Spiteface on July 29, 2020, 07:38:17 PM
Think the love affair with Boom's Power Rangers comics might be near the end.

"Necessary Evil" seems to have resulted in the return of evil alternate-reality Tommy, Lord Drakkon. The final few issues of Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers are setting a new status quo for the launch of two new titles, apparently. Drakkon will join the Omega Rangers (Jason, Zack and Trini now apparently parting ways with Zordon) for Power Rangers. The current team will expand to seven rangers for Mighty Morphin' with a new Green Ranger (An update of the classic Green Ranger suit first seen in Bat in the Sun's Ryu vs Green Ranger video (https://youtu.be/QVmKVE3NYMI?t=243).)

Drakkon was a cool concept when Kyle Higgins introduced him during his run on the comic. Unfortunately, his popularity has meant the Power Rangers comics have now fallen into the trap of the TV show and made Tommy Oliver the centre of the fucking universe. And Jason David Frank does NOT need his ego stroked even further.

Power Rangers has so many other teams and continuities to explore that I'd rather they move on from MMPR. For all the issues I had with Beyond the Grid, at least that was a team composed of characters across the franchise's history.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on July 30, 2020, 05:10:53 AM
Will we ever find out what comics Pingers Jr got to read?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: samadriel on August 02, 2020, 09:23:43 AM
Man, Ninjak is really good!  If you don't know who that is, it's basically James Bond crossed with Batman with a tiny hint of the supernatural.  I'm currently reading some volumes from a few years back, including a slightly Knightfall-y one where he loses everything and has to go after an old enemy to get some peace; one where he has to find the cure for a time-travelling parasite in his brain; and now "The Seven Blades of Master Darque", which brings back the necromantic Valiant baddie Master Darque, who is definitely one of the more formidable supervillains in comics.  Ninjak is pretty much the number one "who would beat x?" fodder of the Valiant Universe, and they're not shy about pitting him against all sorts of Valiant bad guys from other comics; I've got "Ninjak vs the Valiant Universe" lined up later, which I expect will continue in that vein.  All of the above (well, maybe not 'vs the VU', I dunno who did that) were by Matt Kindt, who I'm finding to be a very reliable comics author; I'm looking forward to when Covid settles down a bit in the States and Bad Idea (a slightly too apt company name, but I grudgingly support them) publishes Kindt's "ENIAC'.  Until then, I recommend Ninjak.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on August 09, 2020, 07:41:34 PM
Any DC fans of the late 80's/90's will probably be fond of Ted Kord's Blue Beetle, if only because of his friendship with Booster Gold in the really fun Justice League International comics. DC were utter shits and killed him off at one point, which annoyed me a ridiculous amount, but then brought him back so I decided to forgive them as I'm nice like that, but I shan't ever trust them again now as they're making him a villain, and so once again can go fuck themselves, the dirty, joyless cunts. https://www.gamesradar.com/from-blue-beetle-to-bad-guy-the-dark-side-of-ted-kord-revealed-in-suicide-squad/
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on August 11, 2020, 04:02:20 PM
More DC news, as a fuck load of people have been fired: https://news.avclub.com/dc-comics-hit-with-huge-layoffs-dc-universe-streaming-1844681809 - which is depressing and then some.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: letsgobrian on August 12, 2020, 06:49:51 AM
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on August 11, 2020, 04:02:20 PM
More DC news, as a fuck load of people have been fired: https://news.avclub.com/dc-comics-hit-with-huge-layoffs-dc-universe-streaming-1844681809 - which is depressing and then some.

If you ever had to deal with any pre-AT&T Warner companies, it is not surprising they are clearing things out at the top of the various fiefdoms.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on August 19, 2020, 03:33:21 PM
Sad to see the colon-tastic The Sandman Presents: John Constantine: Hellblazer by Si Spurrier and Aaron Campbell is among the DC fallen. Not only is it the best Constantine comic since Vertigo Hellblazer finished, it's actually the best since Mike Carey stepped off that title around #215. Spurrier has blogged about it here (https://www.simonspurrier.com/blog/hellblazertheend). Really hoping it gets revived with the same creative team, because they were a perfect fit for the character and content of the thing.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: frajer on August 19, 2020, 03:41:09 PM
Quote from: Mister Six on August 19, 2020, 03:33:21 PM
Sad to see the colon-tastic The Sandman Presents: John Constantine: Hellblazer by Si Spurrier and Aaron Campbell is among the DC fallen. Not only is it the best Constantine comic since Vertigo Hellblazer finished, it's actually the best since Mike Carey stepped off that title around #215. Spurrier has blogged about it here (https://www.simonspurrier.com/blog/hellblazertheend). Really hoping it gets revived with the same creative team, because they were a perfect fit for the character and content of the thing.

Bollocks, that's a real shame. After about 3 failed reboots, this one actually was decent. As you say, Spurrier and Campbell clearly got how to make the series work again. Bollocks.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: samadriel on August 25, 2020, 03:06:14 PM
The Valiant archaeology continues! I read a heap of Faith, which was charming, a good bit of light superhero fun with a culmination similar to Quantum and Woody (all the scattered baddies from earlier in the series team up).

Then I read both volumes of Generation Zero. It's kind of a cross between X-Men and Dazed and Confused, a small town torn apart by superpowered teen itinerants, weird psychic phenomena, and corporate thugs. It's slightly heavier than Faith, with some grim implications, but it's still pretty light, and you come to love these kids... But then
Spoiler alert
the story continues in Harbinger Renegades vol 2, and all but about three of the kids are murdered by HARD Corps! That issue of HR is quite horrific -- the HARD Corps characters you knew and mildly disliked for their mercenary nature in Bloodshot are sent on a relentless killing spree, shooting teenagers in the head or breaking necks, etc etc. I actually read HR months ago, but re-reading it immediately after GZ was a disturbing experience. I don't know why Valiant felt the need to write out, with prejudice, an entire superhero team who were much closer to the lightness of Faith than the bleakness of, say, Stalinverse.
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I just started reading deluxe edition 2 of Shadowman. It started out REALLY shit, just like the first book, but after an issue or two Peter Milligan takes over and both artwork and writing become massively better. Finally looking forward to continuing with Shadowman now.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on August 25, 2020, 03:19:08 PM
Quote from: samadriel on August 25, 2020, 03:06:14 PM
The Valiant archaeology continues! I read a heap of Faith, which was charming, a good bit of light superhero fun with a culmination similar to Quantum and Woody (all the scattered baddies from earlier in the series team up).

I'm glad you liked Faith, it's a series I'm really fond of, and like you say it's charming fun without ever being too grim dark or anything like that. I hope there will be more at some point as well, and know a Faith novel was recently released, but when I tweeted Jody Houser and asked if there was going to be another mini-series any time soon she didn't know unfortunately.

And I really need to get in to Quantum and Woody, as I've heard that it's a fun read, and that's what I'm in the mood for right now.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: samadriel on August 25, 2020, 03:39:28 PM
Oh yeah mate, I certainly recommend Quantum and Woody, it's a good laugh.  I've still got Faith: Dreamside and Faith and the Future Force ahead of me; looking forward to seeing Neela again in the latter.
I actually ordered a copy of Taking Flight, even though it's just a YA novel, 'cos I'm a crazy completist. I hear Valiant has fallen off the rails in the past two years or so since DMG took over. On the other hand, Doctor Tomorrow's been getting great reviews this year; I'm hoping to remain an addict into the future.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on August 25, 2020, 07:05:47 PM
Quote from: samadriel on August 25, 2020, 03:39:28 PM
Oh yeah mate, I certainly recommend Quantum and Woody, it's a good laugh.  I've still got Faith: Dreamside and Faith and the Future Force ahead of me; looking forward to seeing Neela again in the latter.
I actually ordered a copy of Taking Flight, even though it's just a YA novel, 'cos I'm a crazy completist. I hear Valiant has fallen off the rails in the past two years or so since DMG took over. On the other hand, Doctor Tomorrow's been getting great reviews this year; I'm hoping to remain an addict into the future.

I'll be interested to hear what you make of the YA novel, if it was by Jody Houser I'd definitely buy it as I'm really fond of her work on Faith and the current Doctor Who comic, but don't know Julie Murphy's writing so haven't got it yet.

I didn't know that about Valiant either, which is a shame as I'm fond of a few of their comics, but hopefully they'll survive the downturn (and the current miserable situation).
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Pingers on August 29, 2020, 11:09:15 PM
Quote from: Mister Six on July 30, 2020, 05:10:53 AM
Will we ever find out what comics Pingers Jr got to read?

Yes, you will. He enjoyed Descender 1 & 2, as did I. We both enjoyed Monstress Book 1 also, me more than him probably. I thought the art was incredible and the story also very good. He still has Invincible Book 1 to go, and Watchmen, which I keep nagging him to read. Thanks for all the recommends, it's been great to share something with him, especially as I don't get on that well with Manga
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on August 31, 2020, 12:50:36 AM
Good stuff! I do still recommend those other comics though. Especially Bone.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: samadriel on September 06, 2020, 04:18:02 AM
Humble Bundle have the complete The Boys plus something called Project Superpowers going for, I dunno, 15 quid? Not sure of the exchange rate. I've been wanting to read The Boys for awhile, so I have cashed in!
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Custard on September 06, 2020, 01:42:24 PM
Comixology currently have every issue of Black Panther from over the years going for free, as a tribute to Chadwick Boseman
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: samadriel on September 06, 2020, 02:04:28 PM
I just harvested those, it's a fortune's worth of comics. I shall cover up Mike's mum in tribute.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on September 07, 2020, 11:14:09 AM
Quote from: samadriel on September 06, 2020, 04:18:02 AM
Humble Bundle have the complete The Boys plus something called Project Superpowers going for, I dunno, 15 quid? Not sure of the exchange rate. I've been wanting to read The Boys for awhile, so I have cashed in!
The Boys is SO DAMNED GOOD!! You'll love it, I'm sure.
I've just got around to watching the tv series. I haven't wanted to watch it, in case they ruin it for me. So far, so good.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on September 07, 2020, 02:28:06 PM
Quote from: Artie Fufkin on September 07, 2020, 11:14:09 AM
The Boys is SO DAMNED GOOD!! You'll love it, I'm sure.
I've just got around to watching the tv series. I haven't wanted to watch it, in case they ruin it for me. So far, so good.

I really like it apart from I don't get on with their version of Hughie that much, and Karl Urban's accent is very silly, but otherwise it's been a lot of fun.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on September 07, 2020, 04:42:40 PM
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on September 07, 2020, 02:28:06 PM
I really like it apart from I don't get on with their version of Hughie that much, and Karl Urban's accent is very silly, but otherwise it's been a lot of fun.
Also, I can't believe it's been out for so long, and it was still a surprise to me that
Spoiler alert
Pegg is in it!
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Did not know that! So that was cool.
I agree re Hughie, yes. Bit disappointing.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on September 07, 2020, 11:54:34 PM
Quote from: samadriel on September 06, 2020, 04:18:02 AM
Humble Bundle have the complete The Boys plus something called Project Superpowers going for, I dunno, 15 quid? Not sure of the exchange rate. I've been wanting to read The Boys for awhile, so I have cashed in!

Please be aware that the first 12 issues of The Boys are total fucking dogshit. Absolute septic haemorrhoid-tier quarter-arsed Ennis edginess. Total bum.

However! He starts giving a fuck after that and it ends up being one of the best things he's done so far.

Also: check that this bundle you've got includes the original three miniseries ("Herogasm", "Highland Laddie", "Butcher, Baker, Candlestick Maker") and that you read them at the appropriate points in the main series as they are essential to the ongoing arcs (wiki has the reading order I think). Some bundles only contain the main comic and not the minis, stupidly.

There was also (or will be, dunno if it's out yet) a miniseries called "Dear Becky", that's the story of Butcher's wife. It comes as a result of the success of the TV series so I guess is best read once you've got the rest read.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: samadriel on September 08, 2020, 05:03:20 AM
Quote from: Mister Six on September 07, 2020, 11:54:34 PM
Please be aware that the first 12 issues of The Boys are total fucking dogshit. Absolute septic haemorrhoid-tier quarter-arsed Ennis edginess. Total bum.

However! He starts giving a fuck after that and it ends up being one of the best things he's done so far.

I just read the first trade, and while it's not all bad, it did feel very familiar, having read The Pro and Preacher. Quite lazy. But it's alright enough that I'll believe you and Artie that it gets good.

QuoteAlso: check that this bundle you've got includes the original three miniseries ("Herogasm", "Highland Laddie", "Butcher, Baker, Candlestick Maker") and that you read them at the appropriate points in the main series as they are essential to the ongoing arcs (wiki has the reading order I think). Some bundles only contain the main comic and not the minis, stupidly.

There was also (or will be, dunno if it's out yet) a miniseries called "Dear Becky", that's the story of Butcher's wife. It comes as a result of the success of the TV series so I guess is best read once you've got the rest read.

The HB collection has trades/issues by all those names, given specific places (I think Herogasm is book 5, for example), so hopefully that's all correct and I can read it all easily.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: magval on September 08, 2020, 11:08:24 AM
I don't want to hijack the conversation about The Boys but, seeing as Preacher has also just popped up, I feel I should do my occasional championing of Hitman, which is my favourite Ennis series and sure to appeal to anyone who likes anything about those other series.

K seeya!
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on September 08, 2020, 12:42:49 PM
Quote from: magval on September 08, 2020, 11:08:24 AM
I don't want to hijack the conversation about The Boys but, seeing as Preacher has also just popped up, I feel I should do my occasional championing of Hitman, which is my favourite Ennis series and sure to appeal to anyone who likes anything about those other series.

K seeya!

Oooh. Fanx.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on September 08, 2020, 12:44:45 PM
I've just bought Beasts Of Burden - Animal Rites for £3.99 on ComiXology, if you like your comics in a digital styleeeeeee......
I've heard good things about it on this thread. Are there loads of these? Is it an 'epic saga'?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Custard on September 09, 2020, 12:37:25 PM
Just finished reading the first two volumes of Injustice: Gods Among Us

Boy oh boy, it's dark. Even Zach Snyder would flinch

Basically it starts with Supes suffering a tragedy at the hands of Joker, and responds by, well, something equally dark, and then he and the Justice League decide to take over everything and threaten the world that crime and violence will now no longer be tolerated, with only really Bats pointing out they are being a bit cunty and Nazi about it

So far, so great. Nice to see Supes and Wonder Woman being dickish yet thinking they are right, and Bats throwing spanners in the works
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on September 09, 2020, 12:39:58 PM
I've now just bought Sweet Tooth vol 1 for £4.79 on ComiXology, if you like your comics in a digital styleeeeeee.....
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: samadriel on September 09, 2020, 01:09:42 PM
Interesting. I like Lemire's Bloodshot Reborn, I'm curious as to whether Sweet Tooth's a goer.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: chveik on September 09, 2020, 01:23:10 PM
Sweet Tooth is ace, and Lemire is my favourite comics writer right now
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on September 09, 2020, 02:57:39 PM
Quote from: chveik on September 09, 2020, 01:23:10 PM
Sweet Tooth is ace, and Lemire is my favourite comics writer right now

I'm a huge fan of his as well, and Descender (and it's follow on series) is amazing, I'm extremely fond of Sweet Tooth, his run on Animal Man is almost (but not quite) as good as Morrison's, and the only time I've struggled with him is Black Hammer, which I thought started off brilliantly, and the majority of it is really fun, but the delays between issues started to really frustrate and the ending of Age Of Doom was disappointing. I know he's written more since though, and really must catch up with it soon.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on September 09, 2020, 04:14:52 PM
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on September 09, 2020, 02:57:39 PM
and the only time I've struggled with him is Black Hammer, which I thought started off brilliantly, and the majority of it is really fun, but the delays between issues started to really frustrate
Yep. I loved the first 5 or 6 issues and then quickly got fed up with it. I've still got several unread issues......
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on September 09, 2020, 08:32:28 PM
Quote from: magval on September 08, 2020, 11:08:24 AM
I don't want to hijack the conversation about The Boys but, seeing as Preacher has also just popped up, I feel I should do my occasional championing of Hitman, which is my favourite Ennis series and sure to appeal to anyone who likes anything about those other series.

K seeya!

Yep - best thing Ennis ever did, I think. His comedy stuff is always best when he has an editor saying "No, Garth" every now and again.



Quote from: Artie Fufkin on September 08, 2020, 12:44:45 PM
I've just bought Beasts Of Burden - Animal Rites for £3.99 on ComiXology, if you like your comics in a digital styleeeeeee......
I've heard good things about it on this thread. Are there loads of these? Is it an 'epic saga'?

I think that might be the second collection. I've only read the first. The first one is mostly self-contained shorts that link into a wider narrative. Not really "epic" in structure - or in tone, given that it's about a few animals in a suburban town. May be a big "bigger" in the second trade but I don't think it's going to be another Lord of the Rings (especially as it seems to be a bit stop-start with minis and specials rather than an ongoing series).

It's ace though.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on September 11, 2020, 12:53:42 PM
Quote from: Mister Six on September 09, 2020, 08:32:28 PM
I think that might be the second collection. I've only read the first. The first one is mostly self-contained shorts that link into a wider narrative. Not really "epic" in structure - or in tone, given that it's about a few animals in a suburban town. May be a big "bigger" in the second trade but I don't think it's going to be another Lord of the Rings (especially as it seems to be a bit stop-start with minis and specials rather than an ongoing series).

It's ace though.

Thanks, Mister Six!
Although looking at Wikipedia, Animal Rites seems to be the first of 3 volumes? And that's Wikipedia, so it MUST be true! Looking forward to reading it, once I get Doom Patrol done.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on September 12, 2020, 03:33:42 PM
Ah in that case you're sorted then. I misremembered.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: magval on September 14, 2020, 11:39:47 AM
My good friend is selling an absolute rake of graphic novels, mostly modern-ish DC (80s until present) and some Ultimate Marvel, as well as the first 8 Judge Dredd Case Files books.

Would anybody on here be interested and I can provide further detail and maybe we could work something out?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on September 18, 2020, 05:14:38 PM
Exit, Stage Left!: The Snagglepuss Chronicles - I picked up the graphic novel for £3 recently but it isn't really doing it for me two issues in. The idea is that Snagglepuss is reimagined as an acclaimed playwright in fifties America, and being investigated as a potential communist in the infamous McCarthy witch hunts, but it's not as witty or as smart as it seems to think it is. There's the odd amusing moment and the idea's not a terrible one, but I just haven't found myself that enthralled by it and unless the third issue sees it become more intriguing I might not bother finishing it.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on September 18, 2020, 09:39:20 PM
Yeah, I read The Flintstones by the same bloke, and thought it was pretty naff. That comic - and I suspect this one - feels like it was written for smug liberals to wank over more than anything else, which such burning hot takes as "homophobia is bad", "racism is bad" and "consumerism is bad". The odd good gag, but mostly just kind of mediocre and far too impressed with itself.

More than anything I didn't really get why they'd make Snagglepuss a 50s playwright. Is it saying much about America? Would it not be better to make him a queer dude in a backwoods Tennessee town or something? Feels derivative of a lot of superior, no-longer-terribly-relevant works by other authors (as did the Flintstones' "buying stuff on credit is bad" issue, which was done by The Munsters several decades earlier after the credit card became popular).
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on September 19, 2020, 10:11:39 AM
Quote from: Mister Six on September 18, 2020, 09:39:20 PM
Yeah, I read The Flintstones by the same bloke, and thought it was pretty naff. That comic - and I suspect this one - feels like it was written for smug liberals to wank over more than anything else, which such burning hot takes as "homophobia is bad", "racism is bad" and "consumerism is bad". The odd good gag, but mostly just kind of mediocre and far too impressed with itself.

More than anything I didn't really get why they'd make Snagglepuss a 50s playwright. Is it saying much about America? Would it not be better to make him a queer dude in a backwoods Tennessee town or something? Feels derivative of a lot of superior, no-longer-terribly-relevant works by other authors (as did the Flintstones' "buying stuff on credit is bad" issue, which was done by The Munsters several decades earlier after the credit card became popular).

I quite liked the first couple of issues of The Flintstones (and was impressed with it's pro gay marriage stance) but unfortunately it ran out of steam very quickly, and like you say, started to feel far too impressed with itself.

And I had the same questions about Snagglepuss too, it doesn't make any real sense to make him a playwright in the 50's, and the little glimpses of his supposedly amazing plays are awful, which I don't think was intentional at all given how much the series makes him out to be a witty genius.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on September 19, 2020, 01:36:28 PM
What impressed you about its pro-gay marriage stance? Just that it had one, or the particular take on it?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on September 19, 2020, 04:04:50 PM
Quote from: Mister Six on September 19, 2020, 01:36:28 PM
What impressed you about its pro-gay marriage stance? Just that it had one, or the particular take on it?

Just that it had one to be honest, I'm perhaps easily pleased but while it's something I expect from the UK I find it more surprising when I see such a thing in the US.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on September 19, 2020, 09:40:31 PM
I mean, this was in a mainstream US superhero comic (written by a Scotsman, admittedly) 18 years ago...

(https://womenwriteaboutcomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/apollomid.jpg)

It's honestly not that impressive. Gay marriage was legalised in the US before the UK and is pretty much accepted by everyone who's not an inbred MAGA fuckwit or religious loon.

They had to move Queer Eye to the US Deep South to justify it for the 21st century. Doom Patrol made its gay character an 80+ year old immortal recluse to justify his self-loathing, and changed the modern-day gay drag queen into a non-binary character to justify their persecution.

If The Flintstones was actually tackling trans issues or worker rights or the Dems fucking over the poor while pretending to be the good guys I'd be impressed, but the comic is serving up cold US centre (so worldwide centre-right) liberal platitudes that have been played out in other media over the past few decades as nauseum.

Not that I'm bitter about its success or anything.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on September 19, 2020, 10:49:24 PM
Quote from: Mister Six on September 19, 2020, 09:40:31 PM
I mean, this was in a mainstream US superhero comic (written by a Scotsman, admittedly) 18 years ago...

(https://womenwriteaboutcomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/apollomid.jpg)

It's honestly not that impressive. Gay marriage was legalised in the US before the UK and is pretty much accepted by everyone who's not an inbred MAGA fuckwit or religious loon.

They had to move Queer Eye to the US Deep South to justify it for the 21st century. Doom Patrol made its gay character an 80+ year old immortal recluse to justify his self-loathing, and changed the modern-day gay drag queen into a non-binary character to justify their persecution.

If The Flintstones was actually tackling trans issues or worker rights or the Dems fucking over the poor while pretending to be the good guys I'd be impressed, but the comic is serving up cold US centre (so worldwide centre-right) liberal platitudes that have been played out in other media over the past few decades as nauseum.

Not that I'm bitter about its success or anything.

You're right of course, and many a comic has dealt with the issue far more impressively. And as mentioned, though I liked it at first (I vaguely remember thinking it also had a quite nuanced take on Fred's marriage to Wilma) I only read a couple of issues before losing interest.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on September 20, 2020, 05:55:41 PM
I don't know why I'm so annoyed by it, to be honest.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Custard on September 22, 2020, 12:25:04 PM
Up to year four of DC's Injustice, and Superman is such a massive cunt. It's great

Also been reading Greg Rucka's Wolverine run, and that's quality stuff. Not sure why he started about 5 ft and was 6 ft by the second arc, mind. Maybe we're meant to just ignore it. Like when Vicki Fowler suddenly dropped her American accent in Eastenders

Deadpool Vs The Punisher was fun. As daft and over the top as you'd expect, and want

The first two volumes of Batman Eternal were very good, but the third book is losing me with the two young girl characters. Not cos they're women, but cos they're badly written and boring as fuck

Really enjoyed Gotham City Sirens. Catwoman, Poison Ivy and Harley Quinn forming a team and well, beating people up. Tis good fun
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on September 25, 2020, 05:16:33 PM
I picked up more shit from the local charity shop this week, this time being the first two volumes of Angel Catbird by Margaret Atwood. I'm a huge fan of her novels so had high hopes that her comics work would be of interest, but jesus, it's simplistic, painfully tedious nonsense and I'm amazed Atwood thought it was in any way acceptable to create something so poor.

On the plus side I also got the first Animal Man graphic novel by Grant Morrison, it's a series I bought at the time and loved, and have revisited a couple of times over the years, but I sold my original run a while back when broke so it's really nice to have it in print form again, and I'm enjoying it as much as ever too.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: magval on September 26, 2020, 09:01:55 PM
That's a great grab and those books are scarce for sensible prices these days. I love those three original rough-paper trades and wish I hadn't sold mine :-(

Maybe the best last page of a comic run ever. The cover with Buddy holding up the chimp with that look of rage on his face is amazing as well. Animal Man rules.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on September 27, 2020, 01:08:49 AM
Quote from: magval on September 26, 2020, 09:01:55 PM
That's a great grab and those books are scarce for sensible prices these days. I love those three original rough-paper trades and wish I hadn't sold mine :-(

I feel your pain, when broke I've ended up selling my complete runs of Animal Man (well, the Morrison years, I didn't even try to sell what came afterwards), The Sandman, Shade The Changing Man, Hellblazer 1 - 60 and Morrison's Doom Patrol issues, which I've enormously regretted since but I really needed the money at the time to pay for pesky things like rent and food.

QuoteMaybe the best last page of a comic run ever. The cover with Buddy holding up the chimp with that look of rage on his face is amazing as well. Animal Man rules.

It really does, and I feel very lucky to have got in to (American) comics at a time when it was being published along with the series mentioned above, but Buddy's antics have a particularly special place in my heart for the way it played around with the form while also being a very human and emotional series too.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on October 03, 2020, 12:01:51 PM
More charity shop finds:

The Forty-Niners - Extremely fun stuff and Alan Moore in a playful mood as this piece of madness features nazis, vampires, robots and various superheroes, all of which works really effectively. The ending is slightly rushed (
Spoiler alert
seeing all the vampires wiped out on one page felt disappointing
[close]
) but as a whole it's a graphic novel I enjoyed an awful lot.

Trillium by Jeff Lemire - In the far, far future humanity has almost been destroyed by a sentient virus, but it looks like they might finally have found a cure. There's a catch though, and one which involves our lead character finding herself back on Earth in the 1920s, where she meets a soldier who's struggling with his own existence after the first world war. It's an enjoyable, intriguing read, but it didn't quite work for me if only because
Spoiler alert
I didn't buy in to the central romance as the characters had spent so little time together (even if they had been a big part of each other's lives in other ways) and aspects of the mystery are never solved (like why did Nina end up in that alternative version of the past?)
[close]
, though I certainly don't regret reading it.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on October 03, 2020, 01:24:18 PM
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on October 03, 2020, 12:01:51 PM
Trillium by Jeff Lemire - In the far, far future humanity has almost been destroyed by a sentient virus, but it looks like they might finally have found a cure. There's a catch though, and one which involves our lead character finding herself back on Earth in the 1920s, where she meets a soldier who's struggling with his own existence after the first world war.

Is it
Spoiler alert
Hitler
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?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on October 03, 2020, 02:35:49 PM
Quote from: kidsick5000 on October 03, 2020, 01:24:18 PM
Is it
Spoiler alert
Hitler
[close]
?

Ha,
Spoiler alert
that would have been fun, but sadly not, it's just some ordinary bloke.
[close]
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: samadriel on October 05, 2020, 10:13:07 AM
I finished up the most recent run of Quantum and Woody, which took a hefty left turn and became quite grim and dramatic, with a melancholy ending that really invites a future series; I hope that happens sometime soon. I didn't like the second artist in this book, Francis Portela I think it was, although I also didn't really like the bland colours, so some blame to be spread there.

I read volume 2 of The Boys, and I think there must be something wrong with me, probably down to reading Preacher in my formative years -- I find Ennis' childishness comfortingly familiar, and I enjoy it in a way that I would never permit with an author like, say, Mark Millar. Not that I'd otherwise compare Ennis to a dickhead like Millar, but they do have a certain childishness in common. I'm rapidly headed towards where Mister Six says it gets good, so hopefully Ennis shall get a bit more ambitious before long.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on October 05, 2020, 11:19:14 AM
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on October 03, 2020, 02:35:49 PM
Ha,
Spoiler alert
that would have been fun, but sadly not, it's just some ordinary bloke.
[close]

That's better for me.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Custard on October 08, 2020, 11:11:48 PM
Just binged the Batman Vs Predator collection. It's actually really good, especially the first story. Would probably make a really good film, if they could be arsed

Finished Injustice, and that was a real load of fun. As it's outside of any existing timelines or canon, they could go a bit crazy with it, and they certainly did. Bumping off major characters here an there, and with that comes a real sense of danger and tension. Supes being a massive cunt was very refreshing, also

Onto Injustice 2 now, and already it feels like a step-up from the last few issues of the first lot. Mainly cos Tom King is back writing it, I'd guess

The series is also very funny in places, and the humour is needed as it balances out the grimdark really well. Harley Quinn for example is genuinely very funny in this, and immediately makes any issue she's in better
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: 13 schoolyards on October 09, 2020, 05:55:12 AM
Is the first Batman vs Predator story the one by Dave Gibbons, with Chris Warner on the art? I haven't read it since it first came out, but I remember that one being a stand out (though I could be wrong about the creative team).
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Custard on October 09, 2020, 06:04:10 AM
I believe so, yes!

It's very good, as it's kept so simple. A Predator comes to Gotham looking for sport and sees Bats as the biggest challenge. It's then a back an forth battle, as they try to work each other out. Its very well written, and far better than I'd assumed it would be

The two other stories are solid too, but they start to involve more characters, so it kinda loses the simplicity of the first one.

The whole book is worth a read though! I like that each story features a Bats at a different stage in his career. So he approaches it in different ways each time. It's cleverly done
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: samadriel on October 11, 2020, 03:39:32 PM
Hey, the alternative September 11 (and 20th century Vought American stuff) history issue of The Boys is a massive improvement over what's come before, it feels like Garth put some thought into it, not the Pro-esque autopilot he was on earlier. I'm in.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Custard on October 30, 2020, 11:48:52 AM
Has anyone read Echoes by Joshua Hale Fialkov?

Blimey. One of the bleakest, grimmest things I've ever read. So dark.

No Spoilerz, mate! But I highly recommend it, if you're looking for a Halloween read
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on October 31, 2020, 01:53:00 AM
Quote from: samadriel on October 11, 2020, 03:39:32 PM
Hey, the alternative September 11 (and 20th century Vought American stuff) history issue of The Boys is a massive improvement over what's come before, it feels like Garth put some thought into it, not the Pro-esque autopilot he was on earlier. I'm in.

Which issue is that one?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: samadriel on October 31, 2020, 08:19:54 AM
Let's see... I'm not sure, but this article (https://screenrant.com/the-boys-homelander-plane-crash-comic/) says it was issue 21.

Edit: now I'm up to the bit where
Spoiler alert
Annie comes out to Hughie
[close]
. Pretty good so far, which is a relief because the "Superduper" episodes were really crass -- the bad guy is presented as bad for thinking Superduper are a pack of "retards", but Ennis really has his cake and eats it, most of those characters are unambiguously presented as laughably retarded.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on November 01, 2020, 10:12:05 PM
As is his way. Although I think he's probably aware that the woman caring for the supes is a better person than him, and his target audience. He's not totally without introspection.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on November 02, 2020, 02:37:42 PM
Quote from: Shameless Custard on October 30, 2020, 11:48:52 AM
Has anyone read Echoes by Joshua Hale Fialkov?

Blimey. One of the bleakest, grimmest things I've ever read. So dark.

No Spoilerz, mate! But I highly recommend it, if you're looking for a Halloween read
I have the first volume in my 'to read' pile.

I read the first volume of Gideon Falls over the weekend, which I loved. Great script. Great artwork. Really works well. It's quite ploddy, but very gripping. Will get volume two at some point.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on November 03, 2020, 07:34:34 AM
Quote from: Shameless Custard on October 30, 2020, 11:48:52 AM
Has anyone read Echoes by Joshua Hale Fialkov?

Blimey. One of the bleakest, grimmest things I've ever read. So dark.

No Spoilerz, mate! But I highly recommend it, if you're looking for a Halloween read

Fucking hell. You're not kidding. Read first 2 issues last night. Blimey, that's grim.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Custard on November 03, 2020, 02:34:23 PM
Heh, it gets worse!
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on November 05, 2020, 12:59:51 PM
Quote from: Shameless Custard on November 03, 2020, 02:34:23 PM
Heh, it gets worse!
Jeeze! That was a barrel of laughs, wasn't it?
Finished it last night.
Really good.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on November 18, 2020, 09:04:56 PM
Doom Patrol - Weight Of The World 6 and 7 - Gerard Way and Jeremy Lambert's take on the series has been cancelled after just seven issues and I couldn't be more delighted. It was cartoonish idiocy that took characters I loved and made them ridiculous (
Spoiler alert
Cliff turned himself in to a planet, for instance, as he was so sick of being hurt all the time
[close]
) and filled with ideas which were embarrassingly unfunny, I hope after this Way never comes near the characters again and someone who understands what makes them so unique is given a shot.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Gulftastic on November 25, 2020, 08:29:24 PM
Working my way through 'Fables'. Just about to start volume 7 and really enjoying it so far. The 'fairy tails in a modern setting could have been a bit hackneyed, but they get it right.

Buying trade paperbacks second hand off amazon is great, even though I feel a bit guilty.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on November 25, 2020, 08:45:29 PM
I've read the first 60+ (and maybe more) issues of Fables and liked it a lot, but then I got frustrated with reading it on a monthly basis, decided to wait until it was finished and then planned to binge it, but annoyingly I can't remember what number I got up to and so have never returned to it. Given how long it's been I should probably just start from the beginning again, though Bill Willingham turning out to be a bit of a twat has put me off so far.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on November 25, 2020, 10:02:41 PM
Never liked Willingham's stuff, generally speaking. There's a nasty streak running through it that puts me off.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on November 26, 2020, 03:48:14 AM
I honestly can't remember at what point it was, but after happily binging a number of the collections, I found a sudden plummet in interest in Fables.
It's like within the space of a few pages it lost everything that had kept me engaged for so long.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Custard on November 28, 2020, 01:06:14 PM
Some pretty good sales on Comixology at the moment. I'd recommend Letter 44, the first volume is going for 0.79

It's an attempt at a "realistic" take on what would happen if aliens suddenly made contact. It engaged me throughout, and is very well written and plotted
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: mikeyg27 on November 28, 2020, 01:48:43 PM
Quote from: Shameless Custard on November 28, 2020, 01:06:14 PM
Some pretty good sales on Comixology at the moment. I'd recommend Letter 44, the first volume is going for 0.79

It's an attempt at a "realistic" take on what would happen if aliens suddenly made contact. It engaged me throughout, and is very well written and plotted

That's such a mad price that I assumed you'd mistakenly typed 'volume' instead of 'issue', but no! That's very much worth it. In fact, you can get the whole run for under a tenner.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Custard on November 28, 2020, 01:59:58 PM
Yep, well worth it!
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: samadriel on November 30, 2020, 04:24:44 AM
Thanks for the heads up, i bought the whole series on am affordable whim. There's tons of Valiant going cheap at the moment too, I recommend Ninjak and Archer & Armstrong, to pick just two gems from the sales.

Has anyone read TKO's Sara, the Garth Ennis book about a female Russian sniper? I bought it while buying up a few interesting TKO titles a few months back, I'm looking forward to it after I finish The Boys. If something like The Boys was the most recent Ennis I'd read, I might be leery of Sara, but actually the most recent Ennis I'd read was a little story about EMTs and vampires in Alan Moore's Cinema Purgatorio, which I felt was a good start, although I don't know if any more of it ever got published.

Edit: oh, Purgatorio published a bunch of issues and Ennis' story was called Code Pru. I must buy them sometime.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on November 30, 2020, 04:51:23 AM
Not read Sara, but Ennis's serious war output is 95% gold, so I'd say your odds are good.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: 13 schoolyards on December 01, 2020, 05:53:09 AM
I read Sara a month or so back, and I'd say it's good but slight - the art is probably the big draw here, as it's excellent throughout. The story is definitely decent, but it's a war story Ennis' could probably write in his sleep now.

It's the kind of thing I would give someone if I wanted to introduce them to Ennis' war fiction: it does the basics well, there are a couple of moments that underline the fact that war is shit, you get the sense that you're reading something by someone who knows their stuff. Then slowly work them up to Fury: My War Gone By, which I increasingly think might be Ennis' best statement to date* on just how shitty war is.

*apart from Adventures in the Rifle Brigade, of course
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: samadriel on December 01, 2020, 06:07:42 AM
Cool, i haven't read Ennis' war stuff apart from the 'Nam issues of Preacher, so I'll take Sara as an introduction.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Custard on December 01, 2020, 09:02:54 AM
Thanks for Ninjak and Archer & Armstrong recommendations, samadriel. Have bought both runs

Have also taken a punt on Wasteland, as I've only read good things about that series

So that's the next few months sorted!

I don't think I've ever read a Garth Ennis work that I haven't enjoyed. He has a very high hit rate. And of course his run on Punisher is the definitive one, for me. No superhero bullshit or shared universes, just Frank Castle mowing everyone down. It's so great
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on December 01, 2020, 10:41:25 AM
Quote from: Shameless Custard on December 01, 2020, 09:02:54 AM
I don't think I've ever read a Garth Ennis work that I haven't enjoyed. He has a very high hit rate. And of course his run on Punisher is the definitive one, for me. No superhero bullshit or shared universes, just Frank Castle mowing everyone down. It's so great
100%, no, 200% agree on this. Such a great run of comics. Brilliant stuff.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on December 01, 2020, 10:48:08 AM
Quote from: Shameless Custard on November 28, 2020, 01:06:14 PM
Some pretty good sales on Comixology at the moment. I'd recommend Letter 44, the first volume is going for 0.79

It's an attempt at a "realistic" take on what would happen if aliens suddenly made contact. It engaged me throughout, and is very well written and plotted

I remember reading the first 2 issues way back and really enjoying it, so I've just bought the whole lot. Thanks for the heads up.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: samadriel on December 01, 2020, 11:20:03 AM
Quote from: Shameless Custard on December 01, 2020, 09:02:54 AM
Thanks for Ninjak and Archer & Armstrong recommendations, samadriel. Have bought both runs
Great, be sure to post your thoughts once you give them a go!

QuoteI don't think I've ever read a Garth Ennis work that I haven't enjoyed. He has a very high hit rate. And of course his run on Punisher is the definitive one, for me. No superhero bullshit or shared universes, just Frank Castle mowing everyone down. It's so great

The only Ennis Punisher I've seen is a page of Frank punching out a polar bear; I'll have to line it up after Hitman.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: magval on December 01, 2020, 04:03:13 PM
There is some shared universe superhero bullshit in the earlier run, pre-Max, although he uses it to ATTACK those features rather than embrace them.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on December 02, 2020, 04:35:24 PM
Yeah, the earlier run was released under the Marvel Knights imprint, which was "Marvel Universe but without all the convoluted continuity shit", so you can read those books as standalones, even though Spider-Man, Wolverine etc pop up in them. They're Ennis in Hitman/The Boys mode, poking fun at superheroes and engaging in ridiculously OTT violence.

The later one (and most of the subsequent spin-offs, like those focusing on Frank's time in 'Nam) was under the Max imprint, and was basically a gritty crime thing with occasional nods to outlandishness (super-viruses, ridiculously hardy villains). That's great too, though approximately 100,000 times grimmer (especially The Slavers, Christ).

They're both great though. Apparently the later Max run by Jason Aaron with Steve Dillon on art is also great, although I never got around to reading it.[nb]Dillon also did art for the Knights series, so don't get them mixed up.[/nb]
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: BeardFaceMan on December 02, 2020, 04:51:36 PM
Quote from: Mister Six on December 02, 2020, 04:35:24 PM
Apparently the later Max run by Jason Aaron with Steve Dillon on art is also great, although I never got around to reading it.[nb]Dillon also did art for the Knights series, so don't get them mixed up.[/nb]

From what I remember, something happened near the end that was so much out of character it kind of ruined it for me. And also because it wasn't up to the standard of Ennis' run (though I don't think anything was or ever will be, he nailed The Punisher like no one else). And as great as Dillon is, I don't think his style suited the more gritty Max Punisher. So all in all, you didn't miss much.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on December 03, 2020, 03:22:17 AM
Agreed on Dillon. Maybe if it was Hellblazer/early Preacher-era Dillon...
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: samadriel on December 03, 2020, 05:02:23 AM
I liked the slight scrawniness and oddness of the characters in the first book of Preacher; it wasn't long until Dillon's characters generally became a bit more generic and attractive. Arguably that reflected increased skill, but I missed the idiosyncracy of the earlier stuff (compare book 1 Tulip to final book Tulip, for example). Pamela Rambo's colours got increasingly bland throughout Preacher as well.

Edit: apparently Rambo only did the latter half of Preacher, so maybe her colours were always a bit dull.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on December 03, 2020, 04:18:23 PM
Nah, I don't think it suggests increased skill so much as decreased effort. Dillon's making an effort in the early books to diverge from his usual style (Jesse has smaller eyes, Cassidy a unique jawline, even the people in the background look unusual and unique). By the end, Jesse and Cassidy both have stock Dillon jawlines (so Rambo is differentiating them by making Cassidy grey for some reason) and Tulip and Amy are basically the same person in a blonde/black wig.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: 13 schoolyards on December 05, 2020, 07:47:51 AM
Quote from: BeardFaceMan on December 02, 2020, 04:51:36 PM
From what I remember, something happened near the end that was so much out of character it kind of ruined it for me. And also because it wasn't up to the standard of Ennis' run (though I don't think anything was or ever will be, he nailed The Punisher like no one else). And as great as Dillon is, I don't think his style suited the more gritty Max Punisher. So all in all, you didn't miss much.

My memory of Aaron's run was that it seemed to take him ages to really get a grip on Ennis' version of The Punisher (which is the best version, +1 from me for all the praise for it here), he managed it for maybe a handful of issues and then his whole run slowly went downhill. It also felt (at the time, I've never re-read them) like the ending was kinda tacked on, like he was told to wrap things up a little ahead of time.

That said I think his stuff with The Kingpin during his run wasn't all that bad, it was more that Ennis' Punisher would have just driven over the Kingpin with a truck a bunch of times five minutes after they met and then moved onto killing someone else.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Sex Festival Organizer on December 10, 2020, 09:52:06 PM
I went mad and bought a ton of comics during the latest sale on Comixology, and here's a summary of what I've read so far:

Anthony Bourdain's Hungry Ghosts: I love Bourdain and his non-fiction books, but based on this his forte was not writing comics (I haven't read his Jiro comics yet). Trite ghost stories with underwhelming artwork.

Frostbite: Great art and an intriguing setup, but the sloppy writing, especially in the later chapters, prevents it from being great (for example, in the penultimate chapter,
Spoiler alert
why doesn't the main character simply shoot the baddie with her sniper rifle?
[close]
). A missed opportunity.

Black Kiss: Howard Chaykin's supposed to be this great guru of American comics, and this is supposedly his dirty little secret, SUPPRESSED for the last 20 years or so, but it's fucking awful. I read about a chapter and a half of this wannabe-noir before I gave up and just fast-forwarded through the rest. Though I suspect Glinner might hate/love this, as it features a pre-op transsexual strutting around with their not inconsiderable cock out for at least two whole chapters.

Hellblazer: City of Demons: John Constantine is one of my favourite characters in comics ever, so I bought this purely to get another fix of JC (as I haven't read anything since the original Hellblazer folded). And it's pretty good. Not great, but it's enjoyable enough, and the artwork is good.

Echoes: What would you do if your father, on his deathbed, told you he was a serial killer and bequeathed you a box of his trophies? AND you were already suffering from schizophrenia? I *did not* expect this to end the way it did, and that's a recommendation (I think I might actually have read about this on here).

Sink: I've been to Edinburgh and absolutely loved it and consider Scots lovely people, but based on this I'll NEVER go to Glasgow. Because it's full of crazy people who'll do horrible things to you while they laugh and laugh and laugh. Basically it's a bunch of interconnected, very violent short-stories based in Glasgow, and quite good they are too. But extremely bloody, so proceed with caution.

Gideon Falls: If you aren't already reading this, you should be. No, scratch that, Join me. A very, very good horror story with exceptional artwork. Though after four volumes I hope they're winding it down while they're still on top of their game, which seems likely, as the ending of volume 4 seems to lead into some sort of endgame.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on December 10, 2020, 11:04:39 PM
Glad someone else likes Sink! Loved that first trade, really need to pick up the rest.

Is City of Demons the one with the really great art by Sean Murphy? Buying it at the time, I thought the first three issues were spot-on, the fourth (the one with the people on the bus going mental) completely irrelevant, and the finale a rushed mess. Mentioned this on a Facebook group only for Si Spencer to pop up and say that Vertigo commissioned it as a five-issue arc in the main Hellblazer book and that only the first three issues were properly edited before it was shelved. Then they pushed it out as a miniseries without doing proper edits on the last two issues (they're first drafts, basically). Bizarre. Can't remember if there was some reason why they wanted a lot of Hellblazer stuff out that month. It was years after issue both issue 250 and the 20th anniversary.

Still, if you like it pick up Si Spurrier's The Sandman Presents: Hellblazer. Sadly cancelled after 12 issues, but what fantastic issues they were!

Everything I've read of Chaykin's has been absolutely dreadful. Like the worst possible combination of teenage edgelord and hate-filled boomer.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Custard on December 10, 2020, 11:16:32 PM
Glad you liked Echoes too! Such a grim read
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Sex Festival Organizer on December 11, 2020, 12:01:49 AM
Quote from: Mister Six on December 10, 2020, 11:04:39 PM
Glad someone else likes Sink! Loved that first trade, really need to pick up the rest.

Is City of Demons the one with the really great art by Sean Murphy? Buying it at the time, I thought the first three issues were spot-on, the fourth (the one with the people on the bus going mental) completely irrelevant, and the finale a rushed mess. Mentioned this on a Facebook group only for Si Spencer to pop up and say that Vertigo commissioned it as a five-issue arc in the main Hellblazer book and that only the first three issues were properly edited before it was shelved. Then they pushed it out as a miniseries without doing proper edits on the last two issues (they're first drafts, basically). Bizarre. Can't remember if there was some reason why they wanted a lot of Hellblazer stuff out that month. It was years after issue both issue 250 and the 20th anniversary.

Still, if you like it pick up Si Spurrier's The Sandman Presents: Hellblazer. Sadly cancelled after 12 issues, but what fantastic issues they were!

Everything I've read of Chaykin's has been absolutely dreadful. Like the worst possible combination of teenage edgelord and hate-filled boomer.

Yeah, if you liked the first Sink trade, I'd say the second's even better (but incredibly, insanely bloody, I actually winced a couple of times, and I'm no shrinking violet).

And while I'm blathering on, I can say that I've had Sink in my wishlist on Comixology for almost two years, and it has *never ever* been on sale, so this time I just thought «fuck it», and bought it anyway, and very much worth it it was.

As for City of Demons, I wouldn't say the art is great. It's good, certainly, but it's no John Ridgway, which in my opinion is the ne plus ultra of Hellblazer art.

I'll check out the Spurrier stuff, so thanks for that. And Chaykin? I'll never ever read anything else by him after reading Black Kiss, because that was just so totally, utterly fucking shit!
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Sex Festival Organizer on December 11, 2020, 12:24:36 AM
Quote from: Shameless Custard on December 10, 2020, 11:16:32 PM
Glad you liked Echoes too! Such a grim read

Yeah, it was grim, all right, and very good. But the ending was actually less grim than what I imagined while reading it (that will probably put me on a serial killer watchlist somewhere).
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on December 11, 2020, 11:22:40 AM
Quote from: Sex Festival Organizer on December 10, 2020, 09:52:06 PM
Hellblazer: City of Demons: John Constantine is one of my favourite characters in comics ever, so I bought this purely to get another fix of JC (as I haven't read anything since the original Hellblazer folded). And it's pretty good. Not great, but it's enjoyable enough, and the artwork is good.

Echoes: What would you do if your father, on his deathbed, told you he was a serial killer and bequeathed you a box of his trophies? AND you were already suffering from schizophrenia? I *did not* expect this to end the way it did, and that's a recommendation (I think I might actually have read about this on here).

Sink: I've been to Edinburgh and absolutely loved it and consider Scots lovely people, but based on this I'll NEVER go to Glasgow. Because it's full of crazy people who'll do horrible things to you while they laugh and laugh and laugh. Basically it's a bunch of interconnected, very violent short-stories based in Glasgow, and quite good they are too. But extremely bloody, so proceed with caution.

Gideon Falls: If you aren't already reading this, you should be. No, scratch that, Join me. A very, very good horror story with exceptional artwork. Though after four volumes I hope they're winding it down while they're still on top of their game, which seems likely, as the ending of volume 4 seems to lead into some sort of endgame.

Loved City Of Demons at the time. I thought the artwork great, too.
Echoes was bleak! But so damned good. Thanks again, Mister Six.
Sink has been on my wishlist for ages. Might have to take the plunge on it as well. Might treat myself for Christmas.
Gideon Falls has been brilliant, so far. Finished the 2nd volume the other week. It has that early X-Files vibe to it.
Speaking of Plunge, I may also treat myself to the Joe Hill comic of the same name that he's just released. Anyone on here read it yet? Looks cool.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: kidsick5000 on December 13, 2020, 06:39:33 PM
Quote from: Artie Fufkin on December 11, 2020, 11:22:40 AM
Speaking of Plunge, I may also treat myself to the Joe Hill comic of the same name that he's just released. Anyone on here read it yet? Looks cool.

It's Stuart Immonen on art so that made it a must buy for me anyway.
I enjoyed it overall but it doesn't quite stick the landing.
The plot -– it feels like a slightly more horror version of one of Star Trek's basic plots.
It's decent, The characterisation etc but like many films of a similar ilk, you're waiting for the story to catch up to the conclusion You arrived at Long before.
If you bought the monthly version, it was a case of 'if it wasn't so pretty, I'd be disappointed'.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Custard on December 14, 2020, 06:05:00 AM
Speaking of Joe Hill, I enjoyed his A Basketful Of Heads recently. Daft, schlocky fun
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Sex Festival Organizer on December 28, 2020, 11:24:43 PM
I just thought I should mention that I've just bought the *entire* Incal series (all 16 volumes) for less than 18 euros on Comixology. So if you've ever wanted to check it out, or are missing some volumes, now's your chance. I've read quite a few of them already, but this was too good an offer to turn down, so I just bought the lot.

Note: Buy the volumes separately, do not go for any of the bundle options, as that will be much more expensive. For example, The Complete Incal bundle is 75 euros and is missing one volume.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: samadriel on December 29, 2020, 04:09:03 AM
Cool, i haven't read enough Moebius, so that'll do nicely.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Sex Festival Organizer on December 30, 2020, 09:27:57 PM
Comixology is tempting me with their indecent sales, like a cheap harlot flashing her arse in a darkened alleyway, so I'm wondering of anyone has read any of the following, and can maybe prevent me from buying a big old pile of arse?

a)   Hazed by Mark Sable. I like the concept, and it's just one volume, so this is pretty low-stakes.
b)   Infidel by Pornsak Pichetshote. Like above, it sounds great, and it's no great loss if it's not, as it's only one volume.
c)   Infinite Dark by Ryan Cady. Again, the concept sounds great, but this is two volumes, so the stakes are higher.
d)   Injection by Warren Ellis. I always get Warren Ellis confused with Garth Ennis, whose work I loathe, but never mind that, this sounds ace. Is it?
e)   Postal by Matt Hawkins and Bryan Edward Hill. Never heard of any of these guys, but I'm going for The Complete Edition, as it sounds very intriguing indeed.
f)   Spread by Justin Jordan. This is the big one. I like the concept a lot, but it's five volumes and almost a thousand pages, so if anyone's read this, I'd love to hear about it.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: chveik on December 30, 2020, 09:43:47 PM
Quote from: Sex Festival Organizer on December 30, 2020, 09:27:57 PM
d)   Injection by Warren Ellis. I always get Warren Ellis confused with Garth Ennis, whose work I loathe, but never mind that, this sounds ace. Is it?

yeah it's good
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Sex Festival Organizer on December 31, 2020, 04:22:33 PM
Quote from: chveik on December 30, 2020, 09:43:47 PM
yeah it's good

Good to hear. I ended up buying the lot, so I now have almost 50 volumes in my Unread list, which should last me well into 2021. Hopefully most of them are good, as I've been buying some clunkers lately, which went straight into the archive after having read them, and some long before I came even close to the end. (I wish Comixology had an option to just delete books from my account outright, not just archiving them, that's how bad some of them were.)
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on January 09, 2021, 03:33:47 PM
Blazed through Grant Morrison's run on Animal Man, which I haven't read for about 25 years and had forgotten most of. What a corker! The first couple of volumes feel a little fractured and meandering, but then it all ties together beautifully at the end. I'm always impressed when comic writers are able to turn a couple of years of superhero comics into a cohesive whole rather than just a string of adventures, and this is one of the best examples.

For the handful of people who don't know what it's about, I'd suggest not looking up any details. Just understand that there was this big line-wide crossover beforehand called Crisis on Infinite Earths in which everyone's backstories were rewritten and lots of characters removed from continuity entirely. Then crack on with the three volumes - Animal Man, Origin of the Species and Deus ex Machina.

(Oh, and the alien invasion and gene bomb mentioned in the first volume occurred in some other crossover outside of the comic. Just roll with it.)
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Magnum Valentino on January 09, 2021, 08:49:41 PM
Unless you're getting them digitally, you won't find those three volumes easily. They've been out of print for years, and recently collected into two slightly larger volumes titled the Deluxe Edition or something like that. Both available in hardcover (usually, with DC, with poor binding) and the first also out in paperback. I bet it doesn't have that lovely smelly newsprint like the volumes Mister Six mentioned, though.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on January 10, 2021, 03:03:58 AM
Joys of second-hand bookstores.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Pink Gregory on January 10, 2021, 10:12:50 AM
Looking for a new comic series (preferably that's either a graphic novel or has got to a couple of trades in length) for Ms. Gregory.

She likes - all the John Allison stuff (Giant Days, Wicked Things, Steeple), Chris Ware (she's reading Rusty Brown), Daniel Clowes, Bryan Lee O'Malley, she's read and enjoyed all of Chew and most of Saga.

Any idea where to start?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: samadriel on January 10, 2021, 11:47:54 AM
I'm thinking Black Hole by Charles Burns. Grim but pleasing.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Pink Gregory on January 10, 2021, 02:26:01 PM
I've read Simon Hanselmann mention Charles Burns, but I've never seen his stuff.  Worth a look then.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on January 11, 2021, 03:09:01 AM
Black Hole is fucking incredible. Quite bleak, though. Like Daniel Clowes and David Lynch had a really depressed, introverted baby.

If she likes Chew, there's a thing by the same person that's similarly OTT, but with more of a human core, called Farmhand. It's about a guy trying to reconnect with his father, who runs a farm where human body parts are grown like plants for transplantation. I hate the art (didn't like Chew either) but the story is very intriguing.

Not sure if it's quite right, but The Wicked + The Divine is very good and quite epic/expansive in a way that might scratch the long-form itch. It's also quite centred on relationships, which would fit the overall vibe, I think.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Magnum Valentino on January 11, 2021, 07:07:03 AM
Quote from: Mister Six on January 10, 2021, 03:03:58 AM
Joys of second-hand bookstores.

I'd love to find something like that, I love all the older DC prints with that rough paper man, like the earlier Swamp Thing books when they still had titles (Love and Death, A Murder of Crows etc.). Reminds me of the earlier days of my comic collecting.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on January 11, 2021, 12:51:46 PM
Quote from: samadriel on January 10, 2021, 11:47:54 AM
I'm thinking Black Hole by Charles Burns. Grim but pleasing.
Just looked for this on ComiXology. It's in French?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: samadriel on January 11, 2021, 01:13:42 PM
That's weird. Not even Kindle has the original English. Might have to buy the book, which is expensive. Thanks a ton, Fantagraphics! Maybe Burns has something against digital comics?
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: holyzombiejesus on January 11, 2021, 01:35:43 PM
Quote from: Pink Gregory on January 10, 2021, 10:12:50 AM
Looking for a new comic series (preferably that's either a graphic novel or has got to a couple of trades in length) for Ms. Gregory.

She likes - all the John Allison stuff (Giant Days, Wicked Things, Steeple), Chris Ware (she's reading Rusty Brown), Daniel Clowes, Bryan Lee O'Malley, she's read and enjoyed all of Chew and most of Saga.

Any idea where to start?

Clyde Fans by Seth is good and has just been compiled in a really nice but possibly unwieldy brick-sized hardback. Oh, and digitally.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Pink Gregory on January 11, 2021, 06:47:40 PM
Thanks chaps.

I tried The Wicked and Divine and she wasn't that into it, hasn't really said much else about it.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: chveik on January 11, 2021, 07:57:52 PM
Quote from: Pink Gregory on January 10, 2021, 10:12:50 AM
Looking for a new comic series (preferably that's either a graphic novel or has got to a couple of trades in length) for Ms. Gregory.

She likes - all the John Allison stuff (Giant Days, Wicked Things, Steeple), Chris Ware (she's reading Rusty Brown), Daniel Clowes, Bryan Lee O'Malley, she's read and enjoyed all of Chew and most of Saga.

Any idea where to start?

Jeff Lemire, Sweet Tooth
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Magnum Valentino on January 11, 2021, 08:03:23 PM
Quote from: Pink Gregory on January 11, 2021, 06:47:40 PM
Thanks chaps.

I tried The Wicked and Divine and she wasn't that into it, hasn't really said much else about it.

Jeff Lemire is really good when he's drawing his own stories PG, and tends to do GNs and the occasional ongoing. Roughneck is a good start for a one off and if she likes that, Sweet Tooth's the ongoing to go for.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: samadriel on January 25, 2021, 01:55:44 PM
Crash! Bang! Wallop! What a comic! I just finished the second-last trade of The Boys, where
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Homelander's big plan comes undone. I don't know if i like Black Noir going insane because he hasn't been ordered to kill Homelander, that seems a bit flimsy, as did the notion that Homelander only organised the coup and did all that psycho stuff because he saw proof of things he didn't remember -- that's even flimsier. Still, the story still works enough that it's satisfying... And I REALLY liked that it flashed back to Black Noir in the fetal position in the 7's bathroom, back when you thought it was actually Homelander.
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I still have the final trade to go, and unfortunately a wiki article I glanced at while researching something else has given me a massive spoiler regarding Butcher, so that'll scar my whole experience of the ending, but I'm going in blind enough that I'll be able to enjoy it as long as Ennis sticks the landing.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: BeardFaceMan on January 25, 2021, 03:47:26 PM
Don't forget to read Dear Becky afterwards too, the recently finished Boys mini-series.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Custard on January 26, 2021, 09:40:14 AM
Are there any really good Wonder Woman comics?

I've been reading some of the highest recommended ones, like The Circle and Greg Rucka's run, but it seems a bit, well, shit!

I did really like Rucka's The Hiketeia, which was her versus Batman, but apart from that it all leaves me a bit cold. She's really stupid and annoying throughout Injustice too

Any stories anyone can recommend? As I like the character, I like the idea behind the character and her origin, but I'm yet to like the comics!
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Gulftastic on January 27, 2021, 01:32:25 PM
The George Perez post Crisis run remains the high point for me. His portrayal pretty much defined the character ever since.

I liked the Rucka run but it was mistake to switch the narrative fortnightly.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Custard on January 27, 2021, 05:51:48 PM
Thanks, will seek that out!

I quite liked Rucka's run really, but I kept expecting it to get really good and it never did. Things like the chef with a bull's head put me off a bit too. I know she exists in a fantastical world with all manner of silliness, but something about that really pulled me out of it!

I guess I'm just looking for fairly straightforward stories with her going up against evil forces an that. All the side characters in Rucka's run put me off somewhat, as I didn't care about any of them

I'm currently reading Brian Azzarello's run, and he's doing the same thing, giving her some kind of gang to knock about with. The character on her own is enough!
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Custard on January 28, 2021, 03:16:44 PM
Nice sale for TKO Studios on Comixology at the moment.

I especially enjoyed The 7 Deadly Sins, which is a bleak and highly entertaining western

Though I loved Pound For Pound. It's about a female MMA fighter trying to hunt down her missing little sister, and the art is gorgeous. Great little story, and the violence properly packs a wallop. Excellent stuff
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Sex Festival Organizer on January 28, 2021, 08:31:40 PM
Some stuff I have read / am reading, the first in an ongoing series:

The Sandman Universe – Hellblazer Vol. 1: Marks of Woe by Simon Spurrier & various artists

Bought this after getting it recommended on here, and I was not disappointed. Granted, it took a while to get going, but after it had shed the Cosmic Magic War and Tim Hunter stuff in the first two(?) issues and gotten down to Constantine's regular street-level sorcery, it got a whole lot better. I especially liked his team-up with the hipster magician, and would have loved to see more of that. So too bad it got cancelled :(

Note 1: I liked how angry and political the book was, with several digs at the Tories in general and Boris Johnson in particular, and generally fighting the good fight. That's something I remember from Jamie Delano's first run, especially issue number 3, but which seemed to peter out as the years went by.

Note 2: The swearing. I read Hellblazer from the beginning, and I can't remember JC ever saying anything stronger than «bloody hell» back in those days, but here it's «fuck that», «fuck this» and even some «cuntflaps» thrown in for good measure. Now, I'm not complaining, just marvelling at how times have changed. I remember it was a big deal when Neil Gaiman put in a «fucking» towards the end of the Sandman run. Kids today!

Gullivera & The Golden Ass by Milo Manara

The guy can draw, I'll give him that, especially a lovingly rendered scene of hot donkey fuckin' in the latter tome, but he can't write for shit, not even when he draws (ho ho) on literary classics. Bought these for a song on Comixology, and it was still a waste of money.

Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on January 29, 2021, 03:53:44 AM
Quote from: Sex Festival Organizer on January 28, 2021, 08:31:40 PM
Note 1: I liked how angry and political the book was, with several digs at the Tories in general and Boris Johnson in particular, and generally fighting the good fight. That's something I remember from Jamie Delano's first run, especially issue number 3, but which seemed to peter out as the years went by.

There's a bit of that in the Ennis years, but as he was a bit of a Legend Gary average working class bloke in his personality (rather than a Delano-style engaged lefty counter-culture sort) it's more of a diffuse hatred of authority, wealth and power than a focused dismantling of contemporary politics, and that bleeds away more and more as the comic heads into the liberal beigeness the Blair years (save for the odd Delano special like Bad Blood or Pandemonium).

QuoteNote 2: The swearing. I read Hellblazer from the beginning, and I can't remember JC ever saying anything stronger than «bloody hell» back in those days, but here it's «fuck that», «fuck this» and even some «cuntflaps» thrown in for good measure. Now, I'm not complaining, just marvelling at how times have changed. I remember it was a big deal when Neil Gaiman put in a «fucking» towards the end of the Sandman run. Kids today!

All right, I'm enough of a total fucking nerd to know this - in Delano's run (1988-91) the swearing is definitely tamped down: "shit" is as bad as it got, although that might not even have been deployed until Ennis's run ('91-'93). Fuck definitely doesn't come until after Ennis's run, I believe in Paul Jenkins's run ('95-'98) although it might have been in one of the five intermediary issues (one by Delano, one by Eddie Campbell). Ennis then one-ups that in his brief return with the "Son of Man" arc in 1998, in which he drops the series' first "cunt".

After that Warren Ellis takes over, and it's cunts all the way, peaking somewhere in Mike Carey's run (2002-06) with the awkward phrase "cuntbubble".

I kissed a girl, you know.

Just the once.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Sex Festival Organizer on January 29, 2021, 03:12:06 PM
Quote from: Mister Six on January 29, 2021, 03:53:44 AM
There's a bit of that in the Ennis years, but as he was a bit of a Legend Gary average working class bloke in his personality (rather than a Delano-style engaged lefty counter-culture sort) it's more of a diffuse hatred of authority, wealth and power than a focused dismantling of contemporary politics, and that bleeds away more and more as the comic heads into the liberal beigeness the Blair years (save for the odd Delano special like Bad Blood or Pandemonium).

I've never liked Ennis's work, but his stint on HB is what I dislike the least. I think he did the not bad arc where JC was living on the streets and, among other things, had to handle the ghost of a Spitfire pilot. I don't remember the details, but probably by sharing a pint of Guinness with the restless spectre, because Ennis seems obsessed with the stuff (and boozing in general). If I'm not misremembering, he did an issue, or maybe even a multi-part story, that basically revolved around the concept of «the perfect Guinness». I mean, I like the stuff too, but come on.

Quote from: Mister Six on January 29, 2021, 03:53:44 AMSwearing...

That's some impressive nerdery you've got going there :) I could have sworn that Hellblazer stayed pretty clean language-wise throughout its entire run, but it's probably because to me, HB more or less is the first 40, non-sweary issues, which I read over and over as an impressionable teen back when they were first published (and going back to Ennis again, his first issue was the last I bought). I've since read the remaining 260 issues of the original run in digital form, but only once so far, so they're more of a blur to me.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Artie Fufkin on January 29, 2021, 04:40:05 PM
Quote from: Shameless Custard on January 28, 2021, 03:16:44 PM
Nice sale for TKO Studios on Comixology at the moment.

I especially enjoyed The 7 Deadly Sins, which is a bleak and highly entertaining western


Oooh. I keep looking at that. Ta for heads up.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Sex Festival Organizer on January 29, 2021, 05:12:14 PM
Right, today's reviews:

Gideon Falls Vol. 5: Wicked Worlds by Jeff Lemire & Andrea Sorrentino

The art is as good as ever, and while this volume isn't bad per se, I'm quickly losing interest in the main story, and this book is basically all wheel-spinning with little to no progress. If they don't wrap it up in the next trade, this'll be the last volume I buy, but based on this it seems to be turning into a drawn-out game of cat and mouse with no end in sight. Which would be sad, because the first four volumes are great.

The Sandman Universe – The House of Whispers Vol. 1 to 3 by Nalo Hopkinson & various artists

After almost 600 pages of this, the best I can say is that I'm glad it's finally done with. It's an effort to incorporate Voodoo loas into the Sandman universe, and it just doesn't work. At all. A case in point is the first volume, which is basically 200 pages of exposition, where these loas suddenly end up in the Dreaming for some reason, where they jabber away about things I don't care about.

Volumes 2 and 3 are a little better, but like the first suffer from dull characters, uninteresting storylines, groan-worthy attempts at wokeness and at times awful art. Some of the artwork is real amateur hour stuff, and I had a hard time believing people were actually paid good money for it (if it hadn't been for the colouring, which is pretty good in general, it would have been a total shitshow). Oh, and I almost forgot the worst take on The Corinthian ever written, who, to rub it all in, looks like an extra wimpy version of Julian Assange, which isn't exactly my idea of a scary nightmare.

Apparently the writer is pretty well known in her field, but this is her first and so far only comic, and it shows. I'll admit there's some cool Voodoo lore sprinkled here and there, but generally this is bad.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on January 29, 2021, 06:27:34 PM
Quote from: Sex Festival Organizer on January 29, 2021, 03:12:06 PM
I've never liked Ennis's work, but his stint on HB is what I dislike the least. I think he did the not bad arc where JC was living on the streets and, among other things, had to handle the ghost of a Spitfire pilot. I don't remember the details, but probably by sharing a pint of Guinness with the restless spectre, because Ennis seems obsessed with the stuff (and boozing in general). If I'm not misremembering, he did an issue, or maybe even a multi-part story, that basically revolved around the concept of «the perfect Guinness». I mean, I like the stuff too, but come on.

Yeah you're misremembering, I think. The perfect Guinness thing was something one of his magician mates cooked up in one issue of the opening arc
Spoiler alert
basically as a get-out clause to stop his soul being damned - it turned back to holy water once the friend died, and John used that secret to fuck up the Devil
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The Spitfire story had
Spoiler alert
John reliving the pilot's death after finding his body, with his ghost bound to it, out in some scrubland. John buries the guy's body and that releases his ghost. That also gives John the push he needs to get himself off the streets.
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It's a decent little issue, I think.

The drinking thing is a bit one-note, but Ennis was only 21 or something at the time, and his run gets substantially better and less dependent on booze as a plot point (rather than something people do when they're chatting) as it goes along.

Quote from: Sex Festival Organizer on January 29, 2021, 05:12:14 PM
Apparently the writer is pretty well known in her field, but this is her first and so far only comic, and it shows. I'll admit there's some cool Voodoo lore sprinkled here and there, but generally this is bad.

Sorry to invoke Hellblazer again, but I'm reminded of Denise Mina's Hellblazer run, which was underwhelming and ended up being a 12-issue long shaggy dog story with a single incomprehensible issue in the middle. She's a fantastic novelist, so I can only assume she wasn't given the support she needed for her first comic. DC needs to realise that newcomers to the medium require proper editorial support.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Sex Festival Organizer on January 29, 2021, 07:25:36 PM
Quote from: Mister SixInteresting stuff...

Yah, you're right about the perfect Guinness stuff, it was a part of the denouement, rather than the main focus of the story. But in my defense it's from the issues I've only read once...

Quote from: Mister SixSorry to invoke Hellblazer again, but I'm reminded of Denise Mina's Hellblazer run, which was underwhelming and ended up being a 12-issue long shaggy dog story with a single incomprehensible issue in the middle. She's a fantastic novelist, so I can only assume she wasn't given the support she needed for her first comic. DC needs to realise that newcomers to the medium require proper editorial support.

No need to be sorry, I love chatting about Hellblazer. Is that the one where a main plot point is the outcome of a football match between Scotland and England? I thought that was OK. I mean, not great, but not worthy of the scorn I know was heaped upon it. I also liked Brian Azzarello's run (especially the artwork), which also didn't go down too well as far as I can remember.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Sex Festival Organizer on January 29, 2021, 09:41:49 PM
I'm on a roll tonight, which means more reviews (and the crowd goes wild!):

The Sandman Universe – Books of Magic Vol. 1 & 2 by Kat Howard & various artists

I've never been a fan of the Books of Magic or Timothy Hunter, who I consider a slightly less annoying Harry Potter, and these tomes did nothing to make me change my mind. I mean, they're still going on about «will this fucking boy, who is destined to end up the greatest magician ever, ultimately be good or evil?», and I just don't care, because the character in itself is so uninteresting. He's an unlikable nerd who knows how to sling a few spells around, and that's it, and they never manage to do anything interesting with him in these two volumes. It says a lot when the best parts of these books are the ones who don't involve our hero at all, but instead focus on for example his wannabe girlfriend.

The best thing I can say about it is that it's a very, very quick read. Most pages consist of three to four big panels with maybe 15-30 words per page, and there are issues here I swear I read in less than ten minutes, maybe even five.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: El Unicornio, mang on January 30, 2021, 04:10:26 PM
Speaking of Sandman

https://bloody-disgusting.com/tv/3650009/sandman-full-main-cast-announced-netflixs-live-action-neil-gaiman-adaptation/
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Sex Festival Organizer on January 30, 2021, 05:17:11 PM
Quote from: El Unicornio, mang on January 30, 2021, 04:10:26 PM
Speaking of Sandman

https://bloody-disgusting.com/tv/3650009/sandman-full-main-cast-announced-netflixs-live-action-neil-gaiman-adaptation/

Lucienne? A female Lucifer? Oh boy, are the usual suspects gonna have a merry old meltdown!

Except for Dance and Christie, I've never heard of any of these people, but the guys playing Dream and Abel certainly look the part, especially if you give the Abel guy a wig.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Mister Six on January 30, 2021, 05:58:44 PM
You don't know Sanjeev Bhaskar from Goodness Gracious Me? You missed out.[nb]I haven't seen the show since it was broadcast, so that might be my feeble teenage brain talking.[/nb] Chaudhry as Abel is genius casting - I could see it the moment I read it. Bhaskar as Cain I'm slightly less sure of, because I've never seen him do malevolent before, but I'm hopeful.

Black female Lucien struck me as odd only because "bookish white male librarian" seems like exactly the kind of archetype you'd stumble across in The Dreaming, but I don't know if it's worth being bothered about. Don't know the actress, but I'm hopeful.

Dance is a good pick, although it's a small role. Christie is an interesting pick, and I could see that working. The rest I don't think I recognise.

Rumours abound that Taron Egerton will play John Constantine, as he did in the audio version, which would be interesting.

Of course, Death is the key bit of casting...

Quote from: Sex Festival Organizer on January 29, 2021, 07:25:36 PMNo need to be sorry, I love chatting about Hellblazer. Is that the one where a main plot point is the outcome of a football match between Scotland and England? I thought that was OK. I mean, not great, but not worthy of the scorn I know was heaped upon it.

Not as much as I do, he! I think it's different reading it in one big chunk rather than drip-fed month by month as it came out. I actually thought the denouement was really funny, but as the climax to 13 months of emotional investment (rather than a few hours of reading as a trade/digital download) it felt inadequate.

Plus, Leo Manco was obviously phoning it in/taking the piss/otherwise unable to keep up the quality of work he'd shown in the Carey era (using crusty posterised photos for backgrounds, crowbarring the Monty Python lads in as the faces of nuns etc etc), and there were some baffling storytelling moments (the two kids poking the hanging body with a giant sword in Mina's first or second issue, for example) that suggested a disconnect between writer and artist that was distracting.

It's not a terrible run, but it's not showing off Mina or Manco's talents,[nb]I heartily recommend Mina's novels, especially her Garnethill trilogy.[/nb] largely due to a lax editorial hand, I think, and coming after Carey's run, which I loved, it's a disappointment. I didn't actively dislike it in the way I did Milligan's, though.

QuoteI also liked Brian Azzarello's run (especially the artwork), which also didn't go down too well as far as I can remember.

Yeah, again that's partly due to context - he was a last minute replacement after Warren Ellis quit, and going from Ellis's quite richly written London Gothic to a neo-noir American road trip felt like a disappointing turn of events.

In retrospect there's some good stuff in there (and that final panel - "Does anyone smell smoke?" - would make a brilliant last ever Constantine moment), but I think Freezes Over is his only really classic story (the prison one and Nazi one are all right too) and he often makes the mistake of writing Constantine as a cunt rather than a bastard.
Title: Re: The All New Comics Thread 2017+ Edition
Post by: Sex Festival Organizer on January 30, 2021, 08:14:17 PM
Quote from: Mister Six on January 30, 2021, 05:58:44 PM
You don't know Sanjeev Bhaskar from Goodness Gracious Me?...

Nope, never heard of him nor the show. But I watch maybe one or two shows a year, so I'm basically always confused when people talk about the latest bright new things on television. Just for funsies, I checked on IMDb, and the only thing I've seen him in, is The Zero Theorem, where he played the prestigious role of «a doctor» (which I of course don't remember).

Googled Taron Egerton. Seems a bit too baby-faced to me to play JC, but again, I've never heard of the guy before, so maybe he's got actual acting chops.

Quote from: Mister Six on January 30, 2021, 05:58:44 PMNot as much as I do, he! I think it's different reading it in one big chunk rather than drip-fed month by month as it came out. I actually thought the denouement was really funny, but as the climax to 13 months of emotional investment (rather than a few hours of reading as a trade/digital download) it felt inadequate.

<Lynn, idea for a new show: Streetwise, working-class magician goes around helping people solve everyday problems using his mighty arcane powers, but often with terrible consequences. However, he's also got the gift of the gab, and will gladly sit down to have a relaxing chat about the burning issues of the day. His name? John! John Chatstantine. Or maybe Constantchat. Both good options, will get back to you on this when I get to the Travel Tavern.>

Sorry, I'll get me coat now.

Yeah, you might be right about that. I remember back when I bought physical issues, I would read each new issue again and again in anticipation of the next, scouring each page for details. Reading one issue after another, in digital form or as TPBs, just isn't the same.

Quote from: Mister Six on January 30, 2021, 05:58:44 PM...crowbarring the Monty Python lads in as the faces of nuns...

Ha ha, seriously? Now I have to go back and check.

Quote from: Mister Six on January 30, 2021, 05:58:44 PMI heartily recommend Mina's novels, especially her Garnethill trilogy.

Googled that, and it does sound interesting. Will check it out, so thanks.

Quote from: Mister Six on January 30, 2021, 05:58:44 PMIn retrospect there's some good stuff in there (and that final panel - "Does anyone smell smoke?" - would make a brilliant last ever Constantine moment), but I think Freezes Over is his only really classic story (the prison one and Nazi one are all right too) and he often makes the mistake of writing Constantine as a cunt rather than a bastard.

I agree that Freezes Over is Azzarello's best work, but I liked all of his stories, also that Batman pastiche at the end. That JC is even more of a bastard than usual, even tipping over into cunt territory occasio