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Title: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: big egg on August 06, 2021, 01:10:41 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-58109993 (https://www.bbc.com/news/business-58109993)

QuoteThe agreement, which runs to the end of 2027, includes six seasons of the South Park TV show and 14 movies.

Even as someone who was once a big South Park fan, this is not good news. I'm not sure if this is confirmed anywhere, but it looks like the 14 movies will be South Park "spinoffs".

They obviously love doing it so I'm not suggesting they quit South Park completely (although it's honestly not a terrible idea) but it makes me sad to see the guys who made The Book of Mormon, Team America and Baseketball sign the next 6 years of their career away to the ever diminishing returns of SP.
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: JamesTC on August 06, 2021, 01:23:55 PM
Nearly a billion dollars and it funds the stuff they want to do like a weed business and another South Park game so I guess it is a win-win for them.

Still not seen the two specials. While it isn't as good as it used to be, it is still usually reliably entertaining in a way The Simpsons hasn't ever really managed in its post classic seasons.
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: bgmnts on August 06, 2021, 01:31:39 PM
Was a massive south park fan from like season 3 to season 15 and i still maintain it's the longest run of consistently good comedy in a show, but I dont think there should be more of it really. The guys have shown they can do really good things outside of the show (Team America, Book of Mormon) it'd be interesting to see what new stuff they do.

Another game would be ace though, they were fucking great.
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: thugler on August 06, 2021, 01:33:32 PM
Really gone off it for a while now. Just sick of the whole thing. Some of it's political commentary is woeful as well, just both sides-ing things that really don't warrant it. It's just not that funny anymore either, I'd pinpoint it to anything series 17/18 onwards. There's still the odd good ep, but few and far between
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: BeardFaceMan on August 06, 2021, 01:58:28 PM
The last 2 games they've made piss all over the last few tv series so I'd look forward to a new game. Another 6 series and 14 movies, not so much.
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: up_the_hampipe on August 06, 2021, 02:57:59 PM
I'm confused about those movies. I assume Trey and Matt will act in more "executive producer" roles for some of them? Surely they haven't got the energy to make 14 original movies in the same universe.
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: JesusAndYourBush on August 06, 2021, 03:08:23 PM
Quote from: thugler on August 06, 2021, 01:33:32 PM
It's just not that funny anymore either, I'd pinpoint it to anything series 17/18 onwards. There's still the odd good ep, but few and far between

For me I'd say season 19 onwards.  PC Principal and all the stuff that came with it was just dismal, plus the introduction of season arcs which fail miserably rather than standalone episodes.
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: Weeping Prophet on August 06, 2021, 03:09:42 PM
When I saw "14 movies" I assumed it meant more of those specials, but...they really mean movies?
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: selectivememory on August 06, 2021, 03:22:22 PM
I honestly thought the last couple of specials were pretty good, and if they signed up to do three or four of those a year, I would find that hugely preferable to several more full seasons.
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: Ignatius_S on August 06, 2021, 03:25:17 PM
Quote from: Weeping Prophet on August 06, 2021, 03:09:42 PM
When I saw "14 movies" I assumed it meant more of those specials, but...they really mean movies?

One of the articles I read, featured fairly extensive quotes from one of them about the deal and they touched upon that they have only done one film to date and from that, I inferred they are talking about movies, rather than specials.

From various reporting, it's been suggested that there will be 2 films a year. Also there has been a lot of references about the films being spin-offs - at least one article I read said the first movie will be a South Park one and the remainder are 'spin-offs'. Make of that what you will...
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on August 06, 2021, 03:54:10 PM
No more Tegridy Farms. That's all I ask.
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: Lisa Jesusandmarychain on August 06, 2021, 03:57:13 PM
Trey Parker and Matt Stone will be pushing 60 in 6 year's time. I find it odd that they will still be writing South Park and doing the voices at this time.
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: JesusAndYourBush on August 06, 2021, 04:32:08 PM
Quote from: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on August 06, 2021, 03:54:10 PM
No more Tegridy Farms. That's all I ask.

Quote from: JamesTC on August 06, 2021, 01:23:55 PM
Nearly a billion dollars and it funds the stuff they want to do like a weed business

Oh.
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: steveh on August 06, 2021, 04:43:17 PM
Quote from: Weeping Prophet on August 06, 2021, 03:09:42 PM
When I saw "14 movies" I assumed it meant more of those specials, but...they really mean movies?

TV movies for the Paramount+ streaming service I believe, not cinema releases. So another streaming service you'll need to subscribe to, though in the UK it will also come free with a Sky Cinema subscription.

Two of the movies are already in production for 2021 release apparently.
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on August 06, 2021, 04:54:56 PM
Quote from: JesusAndYourBush on August 06, 2021, 04:32:08 PM
Oh.
Ah well. Just as long as it's not on the telly.

The whole storyline only had one joke to it - Randy saying someone lacks [in]tegrity, but he's actually referring to his farm's produce, rather than their moral character. It's not even proper wordplay.
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: Noodle Lizard on August 06, 2021, 06:55:06 PM
The only way I can get this "14 movies in six years" thing to make any sense is if it means two of those hour-long "specials" in addition to a normal season every year. Would've much preferred them to put all that time and effort into one good film (like Bigger, Longer & Uncut), but there you go.

Of course, there's every chance Paramount+ tanks or gets rolled into something else within the next few years and this whole deal sort of slips away. Seems more like (very expensive) promotion for the platform than anything else.
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: Shit Good Nose on August 06, 2021, 07:00:45 PM
Quote from: Noodle Lizard on August 06, 2021, 06:55:06 PM
The only way I can get this "14 movies in six years" thing to make any sense is if it means two of those hour-long "specials" in addition to a normal season every year. Would've much preferred them to put all that time and effort into one good film (like Bigger, Longer & Uncut), but there you go.

Of course, there's every chance Paramount+ tanks or gets rolled into something else within the next few years and this whole deal sort of slips away. Seems more like (very expensive) promotion for the platform than anything else.

Disney have apparently expressed an interest in buying up Paramount, which is a FAR worse prospect than a couple of disappointing SP projects.
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: Noodle Lizard on August 06, 2021, 07:06:41 PM
Does anyone know what's going on with Matt/Trey's film studio, Important Studios? It was announced to big fanfare a fair few years ago, and is kind of unheard of two creators/showrunners to start their own studio, but then that was the end of it. Everyone assumed a Book of Mormon film was coming, but I don't think there's any indication of that. And the Sassy Justice thing went away quietly enough.
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: chveik on August 06, 2021, 08:37:29 PM
it's been pretty shite for a while, i'd watch a butters spinoff but that's it
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: idunnosomename on August 06, 2021, 11:14:35 PM
a show about third graders is going to be thirty years old. are they going to go up to the fifth grade then
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: crankshaft on August 06, 2021, 11:17:11 PM
Quote from: idunnosomename on August 06, 2021, 11:14:35 PM
a show about third graders is going to be thirty years old. are they going to go up to the fifth grade then

They've been in fourth grade since 2000 so I wouldn't hold your breath.
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: idunnosomename on August 06, 2021, 11:29:21 PM
have they made any shifting timeline meta-jokes like the Simpsons though? the big upgrade to the fourth grade was kinda meta I suppose, because it was like "oh time is advancing haha not really it's basically the same". again the problem happens is that the parents as characters don't work if they're born in the 80s rather than the 50s. and it's just old men making the same fucking show UGH do something else for fucks sake.
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: Pranet on August 06, 2021, 11:42:37 PM
Quote from: Lisa Jesusandmarychain on August 06, 2021, 03:57:13 PM
Trey Parker and Matt Stone will be pushing 60 in 6 year's time. I find it odd that they will still be writing South Park and doing the voices at this time.

It is weird. I haven't seen it god knows how long so I have no opinion on if it is any good or not now, but it is like Monty Python kept making a series every year until 2010.
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: ajsmith2 on August 07, 2021, 10:15:11 AM
Quote from: idunnosomename on August 06, 2021, 11:29:21 PM
have they made any shifting timeline meta-jokes like the Simpsons though? the big upgrade to the fourth grade was kinda meta I suppose, because it was like "oh time is advancing haha not really it's basically the same". again the problem happens is that the parents as characters don't work if they're born in the 80s rather than the 50s. and it's just old men making the same fucking show UGH do something else for fucks sake.

Interesting to see this take.. I speak as a fairweather SP viewer who's only seen a fraction of the show, but I always thought that part of the reason that SP was able to age better than The Simpsons is that the characters and their backstories are more elastic so it doesn't matter so much if they're overwritten/messed about with as their original origins weren't earnestly invested in in the first place. I mean it's a show where one character was established as dying and coming back without explanation from the off, so it was always gonna play fast and loose with that kind of stuff. But I found your comment that the parents don't work as characters now they're millennials rather than boomers interesting.. it kind of relates to this blog entry (itself pretty ancient now) on Dead Homer Society that mentions how Homer and Marge were such boomer archetypes that 20 years on the cracks can't help but show even with a new lick of paint. I never thought of Randy etc as being so tied down to the time of their creation as Homer and Marge, but I guess it's just inevitable that it's gonna show in some way eventually.

https://deadhomersociety.wordpress.com/2009/02/11/end-the-simpsons-4-cosmetic-consistency-has-its-limits/
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: idunnosomename on August 07, 2021, 10:33:09 AM
Well, it doesnt matter in South Park nearly as much because they didn't make elaborate backstories for their characters. Randy was introduced as a geologist purely for the story about a volcano then they decided to make him an easily-led imbecile simply because it was funny. Are Stan and Kyle really strong characters at all? No, they're all just basically ways to act out satirical ideas.

Not like the Simpsons, where Homer being a late boomer is absolutely intrinsic to his character. even though the writers probably didnt realise it. Probably didn't because homer is basically same generation as Matt Groening (Homer Groening was born 1919!)
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: Master Cylinder on August 07, 2021, 12:42:19 PM
Well, they retconned Mrs Cartman being Cartman's father in the 200th but honestly that was probably for the best.
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: Noodle Lizard on August 07, 2021, 10:30:49 PM
Quote from: idunnosomename on August 07, 2021, 10:33:09 AM
Well, it doesnt matter in South Park nearly as much because they didn't make elaborate backstories for their characters. Randy was introduced as a geologist purely for the story about a volcano then they decided to make him an easily-led imbecile simply because it was funny. Are Stan and Kyle really strong characters at all? No, they're all just basically ways to act out satirical ideas.

Randy was also based on Trey's dad (named Randy), at least from when he started getting more screentime. I think I remember Trey saying in one of the commentaries that Randy is the character he relates to most now, which I think was a great thing early on (the Fingerbang and Jesse Jackson episodes being the first that stick in my mind), but has become a little stale no. Count me as another one who doesn't like the Tegridy Farms shit.

I think they said the Broflowskis were based on Matt Stone's parents too, but I might be misremembering.
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: idunnosomename on August 08, 2021, 10:28:01 AM
How the adults became more interesting characters than the kids reminds me of Rugrats. Which I've just realised that Klasky and Csupo have rebooted this year in CG. Again the same characters just slid down 30 years. The most obvious change is that grandad is now a hippy rather than a WW2 vet.

You just wonder if there's going to be any original culture allowed in the 2020s, or if we're just going to have rehashed stuff from the 90s by aging gen x'rs and decrepit boomers.

God knows what kids born in the 00s think about South Park. Imagine showing them one where they're using "gay" as an insult. Theyd be rightfully horrified. Be like yer da watching the black and white minstrel show.
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: steveh on August 08, 2021, 11:57:19 AM
Viacom's declared strategy across all their big premium channels - Comedy Central, MTV, Nickelodeon - is to 'reboot' old shows in a way that can appeal both to the original viewers and a younger generation. There's more of these to come...
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: Weeping Prophet on August 08, 2021, 02:30:45 PM
I'd be more optimistic about the movies if there weren't so many of them, with the series on top of that. The best thing they've ever done took seven years. There's no way this production schedule will result in anything good, unless they've been saving them up for a while.
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: steveh on August 10, 2021, 08:25:55 AM
Matt Stone on those movies:

QuoteThe show is 22 minutes. It's a sitcom. It is ancient, in a way. But we still really love that.

At the same time, you come up with an idea and realize it's longer than 22 minutes. There are "South Park" episodes that are high concept enough where if you wanted to make a movie you could. We wanna scratch both itches. We feel like we can.

We have this idea where the first ones for Paramount+ are "South Park" but not quite. We have a high concept idea for the first one to set it apart. But right after that we go back and do a six-episode run for Comedy Central and HBO Max, probably at the end of this year or early next year. The classic kind.

But the movie first -- either in one part or broken up in two. We think of it creatively as one big piece. Like a 90-minute movie.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2021-08-08/-south-park-co-creator-matt-stone-on-his-900-million-deal

Also working on a new South Park game and several non-SP movies, including a deep fake one.
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: dissolute ocelot on August 10, 2021, 10:15:45 AM
^ So are these "6 more seasons" shorter runs than the traditional 20+ episodes? He mentions 6 episodes there, and streaming services seem to often get shorter seasons. Obviously 6 episodes + 2 movies is only the equivalent of about 12 episodes a year.
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: steveh on August 10, 2021, 05:49:50 PM
Variety (https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/south-park-trek-parker-matt-stone-paramount-plus-movies-1235035295/) says they are ten episode seasons. So I guess as there were two double-length specials already this year there are then six episodes to belatedly bring it up to the ten.
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: JamesTC on August 10, 2021, 07:59:30 PM
I watched the pandemic special last night. I liked that they made the cause of the pandemic
Spoiler alert
Randy fucking a pangolin in the arse.
[close]
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: The Giggling Bean on August 13, 2021, 08:20:56 AM
I gave up on South Park ages ago, I got halfway through a series (can't remember which one) and realised it had used up all my goodwill to it. I stopped finding it funny about 3 series previous, Bar an odd episode or 2, but tegridy farm was just a laugh vacuum.

I really missed the episodes which had the kids being kids while some nonsense occurred around them. Episodes like Awesome O, Ladder To Heaven, Lil Crime Stoppers etc. I felt it lost something when they moved to the five day turnaround so they could keep it topical. We lost the off the wall silliness, which is what attracted me to the show in the first place, and got more cheap political shots which may have been worthy...but weren't funny.

I did watch the Pandemic special which gave me a couple of chuckles...but not enough for me to bother with the vaccination special. I doubt I'll be watching it again, which is fine, I've got the golden years DVDs at home. It's like when they renew The Simpsons, my immediate thought is "huh, they're still dragging this out eh".
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: JamesTC on August 14, 2021, 01:34:13 PM
I think they had been doing the five day turnaround thing for a while even when they weren't fully topical yet. If I remember correctly, they would mostly finish a few episodes before the season begins and then finish them during the run to give them a break.

Rewatched the Fun Times With Weapons episode earlier. That one is so good.
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: colacentral on August 15, 2021, 08:29:37 AM
It peaked at "Prehistoric Ice Man."
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: steveh on November 19, 2021, 09:08:16 AM
Trailer for the first of the movies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eh-8T1_QU-U.

Seems likely this will be held back in the UK until Paramount+ launches 'early in 2022'.
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: olliebean on November 19, 2021, 04:54:44 PM
Fuck Paramount+.
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: up_the_hampipe on November 19, 2021, 11:13:53 PM
Quote from: steveh on November 19, 2021, 09:08:16 AMTrailer for the first of the movies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eh-8T1_QU-U.

Seems likely this will be held back in the UK until Paramount+ launches 'early in 2022'.


Is this going to be a parody of IT Chapter Two?
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: Dickie_Anders on November 20, 2021, 05:57:18 PM
I hated the COVID specials so much that I had to go back and watch older episodes to see if I'd misremembered, and South Park had always been that bad. I was pleased to find that I was wrong. At its best the show is pretty untouchable, up there with the best of early Simpsons imo. It took a while for them to figure it out though. Those early series are rough. It's mad to see them go from coasting on the novelty of paper cut-outs swearing and doing poo jokes on TV to beautifully written comedy like The Losing Edge or All About Mormons. Season 7 is when the show got truly great imo.

I think that was the point where they had properly figured out the great comedy characters of the show and how to use them (Cartman, Butters, Randy). Kyle isn't a very funny character but works great as a high-strung type to bounce off of Cartman. If any of the main characters had to be deleted from the show, it'd probably be Stan, wouldn't it? Not much to him. At this point I suppose he works best as the disapproving son to Randy's stupidity

Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: Noodle Lizard on November 22, 2021, 12:16:11 AM
Quote from: up_the_hampipe on November 19, 2021, 11:13:53 PMIs this going to be a parody of IT Chapter Two?

Seems like it. Glad they're sticking to the quick turnaround formula so they're able to keep up with contemporary events ...

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Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: evilcommiedictator on November 22, 2021, 11:23:00 PM
Quote from: Dickie_Anders on November 20, 2021, 05:57:18 PMIf any of the main characters had to be deleted from the show, it'd probably be Stan, wouldn't it? Not much to him. At this point I suppose he works best as the disapproving son to Randy's stupidity

Well given the past few seasons have been tediously repeating exploring Randy and his legal weed, you need a cipher maybe?

Although, they could just replace all the boys with the PC Babies and be done with shitting on their legacy it?
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: Noodle Lizard on November 23, 2021, 12:42:21 AM
The line's always been that Stan = Trey and Kyle = Matt, so I'd be surprised to see either of them go permanently. Then again, Cartman's probably the least replaceable of the main characters now. That'd be Kenny, as they've already proven.
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: Mobbd on November 23, 2021, 11:13:45 AM
Fuck it, I still like South Park and I welcome six more seasons.

I kinda wish it weren't so granular in its subject matter these days but I'm always happy to catch up with it. I kinda can't believe it's still going; it's like a lovely gift.

I'm going to compare it (yes, South Park) to Pharoah Sanders working with the London Philharmonic Orchestra last year: hardly their best work but it's a beautiful and unlikely miracle that we can have it at all.

On the granularity of the subject matter, I kinda hope it won't matter when rewatching them in the future. An episode about the Somali Pirates a few years ago (very much a news story at the time) is pretty funny now and you don't really need to know about or remember the Somali Pirates panic. If you read Screen Burn, Charlie Brooker's first collection of TV criticism, it doesn't matter if you don't remember the long-forgotten cable shows he's talking about -- he may be making them up for all you know -- because the writing and humour transcend it. I do hope that happens with South Park, but we shall see.

The 6 Days to Air documentary was superb. I know it was a while ago now but it's still in the era of "South Park not being good anymore" (it involved the making of the "Human Centipad" episode, which doubly dates it). As well as showing the commitment and effort and love that goes into the show, the doc was a well-made thing in its own right. I liked spotting things in the studio like the poster for Bigger, Longer & Uncut (and I think an Officer Barbradey plush toy from the first wave of the show's popularity), showing that Matt and Trey haven't forgotten what they're making. I can't imagine CBS's Star Trek production offices having Deep Space 9 posters up today. It doesn't feel like some cuckolded zombie franchise like The Simpsons or Ghostbusters or Star Wars; they're still making the same thing, not emulating it.

Their way of working during the pandemic was commendable and the Pandemic Special was very comforting somehow; to see the things you're still terrified by passing into the realm of South Park for processing.
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on November 23, 2021, 01:48:44 PM
Quote from: Dickie_Anders on November 20, 2021, 05:57:18 PMAt its best the show is pretty untouchable, up there with the best of early Simpsons imo. It took a while for them to figure it out though. Those early series are rough. It's mad to see them go from coasting on the novelty of paper cut-outs swearing and doing poo jokes on TV to beautifully written comedy like The Losing Edge or All About Mormons. Season 7 is when the show got truly great imo.
My opinion is undoubtedly mixed with a heavy dose of nostalgia, but I'd say it found it's footing pretty quickly. I watched a few episodes from Season 1 recently and, while they didn't hit the highs that the show would go on to, they were still very enjoyable, in a silly schoolboy kind of way.

Looking at the list of episodes on Wikipedia, Season 7 doesn't strike me as any great leap beyond the previous seasons. There was a definite decline with season 9 though (in my opinion).
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: Mister Six on November 23, 2021, 02:09:06 PM
Quote from: Mobbd on November 23, 2021, 11:13:45 AMFuck it, I still like South Park and I welcome six more seasons.

I kinda wish it weren't so granular in its subject matter these days but I'm always happy to catch up with it. I kinda can't believe it's still going; it's like a lovely gift.

I'm going to compare it (yes, South Park) to Pharoah Sanders working with the London Philharmonic Orchestra last year: hardly their best work but it's a beautiful and unlikely miracle that we can have it at all.

On the granularity of the subject matter, I kinda hope it won't matter when rewatching them in the future. An episode about the Somali Pirates a few years ago (very much a news story at the time) is pretty funny now and you don't really need to know about or remember the Somali Pirates panic. If you read Screen Burn, Charlie Brooker's first collection of TV criticism, it doesn't matter if you don't remember the long-forgotten cable shows he's talking about -- he may be making them up for all you know -- because the writing and humour transcend it. I do hope that happens with South Park, but we shall see.

The 6 Days to Air documentary was superb. I know it was a while ago now but it's still in the era of "South Park not being good anymore" (it involved the making of the "Human Centipad" episode, which doubly dates it). As well as showing the commitment and effort and love that goes into the show, the doc was a well-made thing in its own right. I liked spotting things in the studio like the poster for Bigger, Longer & Uncut (and I think an Officer Barbradey plush toy from the first wave of the show's popularity), showing that Matt and Trey haven't forgotten what they're making. I can't imagine CBS's Star Trek production offices having Deep Space 9 posters up today. It doesn't feel like some cuckolded zombie franchise like The Simpsons or Ghostbusters or Star Wars; they're still making the same thing, not emulating it.

Their way of working during the pandemic was commendable and the Pandemic Special was very comforting somehow; to see the things you're still terrified by passing into the realm of South Park for processing.

Lovely post. Haven't seen most of South Park for years, but the pandemic special gave me a bunch of good laughs, and the Fractured But Whole game was the funniest thing I'd seen in years (although not having seen the show for ages might have helped in that respect, because it meant almost everything in it was new to me, whereas I get the feeling that a lot of the gags were recycled from the series straight up. Hearing "I'm A Gay Fish" as some background music was much funnier (probably) when it seemed like a completely random bit of silliness rather than a callback.
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: Noodle Lizard on November 23, 2021, 06:21:24 PM
Quote from: Mobbd on November 23, 2021, 11:13:45 AMFuck it, I still like South Park and I welcome six more seasons.

I kinda wish it weren't so granular in its subject matter these days but I'm always happy to catch up with it. I kinda can't believe it's still going; it's like a lovely gift.

I'm going to compare it (yes, South Park) to Pharoah Sanders working with the London Philharmonic Orchestra last year: hardly their best work but it's a beautiful and unlikely miracle that we can have it at all.

On the granularity of the subject matter, I kinda hope it won't matter when rewatching them in the future. An episode about the Somali Pirates a few years ago (very much a news story at the time) is pretty funny now and you don't really need to know about or remember the Somali Pirates panic. If you read Screen Burn, Charlie Brooker's first collection of TV criticism, it doesn't matter if you don't remember the long-forgotten cable shows he's talking about -- he may be making them up for all you know -- because the writing and humour transcend it. I do hope that happens with South Park, but we shall see.

The 6 Days to Air documentary was superb. I know it was a while ago now but it's still in the era of "South Park not being good anymore" (it involved the making of the "Human Centipad" episode, which doubly dates it). As well as showing the commitment and effort and love that goes into the show, the doc was a well-made thing in its own right. I liked spotting things in the studio like the poster for Bigger, Longer & Uncut (and I think an Officer Barbradey plush toy from the first wave of the show's popularity), showing that Matt and Trey haven't forgotten what they're making. I can't imagine CBS's Star Trek production offices having Deep Space 9 posters up today. It doesn't feel like some cuckolded zombie franchise like The Simpsons or Ghostbusters or Star Wars; they're still making the same thing, not emulating it.

Their way of working during the pandemic was commendable and the Pandemic Special was very comforting somehow; to see the things you're still terrified by passing into the realm of South Park for processing.

This is a great post, thanks for that. I agree that Six Days To Air is a fascinating documentary, although I'd argue the season it depicts predates the most recent/severe wave of "it's not good anymore" (starting with the season arcs in 2016) by a fair few years.

I don't think it's necessarily a case of them not caring anymore or just doing it for the money, I simply think they've run out of juice. The "You're Getting Old" episode (from the same season the documentary focuses on) definitely seemed to insinuate that they were losing the passion/inspiration for it, but I also understand that a creator may fall in and out of love with the thing they're most known for, especially with it running as long as it has.

They presently seem to be more invested in South Park than anything else, and they're trying lots of different things with the format to keep it alive, but it feels as though the comedic spark from earlier seasons (and the first game) has gone, which is a shame given how unusually and seemingly effortlessly funny they could be even as early as Cannibal! The Musical. It remains to be seen whether that's just South Park or not (I remember SP dipping a bit when they were focusing on The Book Of Mormon, which was excellent), but I can imagine a couple of 50-year-olds with families and nothing left to prove finding it more and more difficult to tap into the daft and angry energy that made their earlier work so special.

I still love them, of course, and have done since I was 7 years old (Jesus). I'll watch anything they come out with, though I've not been especially excited for new South Park for a while now.
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: Old Nehamkin on November 23, 2021, 06:26:31 PM
Quote from: Noodle Lizard on November 23, 2021, 06:21:24 PMbut it feels as though the comedic spark from earlier seasons (and the first game) has gone

Took me a few puzzled seconds to realise you weren't referring to this:


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Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: idunnosomename on November 23, 2021, 06:58:19 PM
I think if you look back the dialogue is so much sharper on season 2. The first was running on shouting rude words they could get away with (like chode, ass and nuts or whatever) and copious bleeping really. The manic plots always had such memorable setpieces though. It's certainly consistently imaginative.

I still think Not Without My Anus is fucking hilarious.

I don't know why Scott hates us so much.

'Maybe he's homophobic'


But... we're not gay, Phillip

'We're not?!?'
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: Dickie_Anders on November 23, 2021, 11:15:52 PM
In one of the commentaries Matt and Trey said that season 2 had the least involvement from them of the series. They were told by Hollywood guys to get others to run South Park while they used its initial explosion of popularity to get their other ventures off the ground. I think they were also making BASEketball around the same time. They didn't like how that season turned out so they doubled back and South Park became their main thing again.

That being said, if you look at the credits Trey directed pretty much all the episodes and was co-credited for a lot of the writing, so I think even then they were still fairly involved
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: Old Nehamkin on November 27, 2021, 08:56:40 AM
Did anyone watch the Post-Covid special then? I've only checked in on this show very sporadically over the last 5 or 6 years and I'm a bit fuzzy on the some of the recent ongoing storylines like Randy's weed farm/Mr. Garrison becoming Trump/any previous Covid stuff they've done, but I found this likeable enough if a little hit and miss gag-wise. Some of the satirical "future" material felt a little limp and uninspired and the actual plotting was pretty awkward and clunky in places, but I did think there was some genuine emotional resonance in seeing the world and the characters actually move on several decades down the line.

It actually left me with a lingering feeling of melancholy and nostalgia, I guess partly based on the fact that South Park itself (at least the early seasons and the movie) was such a huge, pervasive cultural deal to me when I was around 7-11 years old but is something I've checked in with less and less often as the years have gone by. The special as a whole was far from perfect, but just a simple moment like the part where a character wistfully holds up an old polaroid photo of the four kids huddled together pulling faces - I have to admit that got to me a bit.
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: Moribunderast on November 27, 2021, 10:24:15 AM
I have found the previous COVID specials (and a great deal of the recent seasons) pretty uninspired - mostly because I find the Tegridy stuff incredibly tedious. That said, I really enjoyed this one. Some things didn't work for me (lazy "you can barely tell jokes anymore" stuff with Jimmy, Stan's "Alexa") but I actually liked the plot and thought things like Cartman's future, the doorbells, the visual presentation of the old folks home were very funny. It's never going to be as good as peak South Park but they can still really get laughs out of me when they have a flourish of inspiration.
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: olliebean on November 27, 2021, 04:31:27 PM
I will watch it but the hour long runtime (without ads) has made it something I'm going to have to be more in the mood for than usual.
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: ImmaculateClump on November 27, 2021, 04:41:25 PM
Quote from: Old Nehamkin on November 27, 2021, 08:56:40 AMDid anyone watch the Post-Covid special then?

Yeah, I saw it a few days ago.

I never liked the show but I thought I'd give it a go.
I thought it was going to be a self contained film so I was happy to sit through it for an hour, but it wasn't.
Don't think I'll watch the rest.

I smiled once, the last time Cartman was shagging his wife and doing the whole "You like how Abraham nearly sacrificed his son, yeah? You like that?"

Seemed like they were really running on fumes and not making the effort at all.
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: Dickie_Anders on November 27, 2021, 05:45:53 PM
I thought this one was better than the previous couple of specials. The Cartman stuff was definitely the highlight, I actually burst out laughing at the very first shot of him. The "Jimmy is a comedian but can't say anything offensive!" stuff was horrid. There's probably a way of making that funny, but they didn't manage it. I found the Alexa stuff funny. The "chin diaper" thing is still shit

The fact that they're still plugging away with Tegridy Farms, even though they've acknowledged that everyone hates it and it doesn't have much legs as a concept, is funny enough that it has somehow made me like it in a weird way

I watched a documentary about SP recently and there's a bit in it where Trey remembers being borderline suicidal about an episode and begging execs not to air it, and it ending up being one of the most well-liked episodes (the World of Warcraft one). It's clear that for the longest time they were very protective of the show's legacy, that's probably why it was so good for so long (Season 5 - Season 11 imo, though I know a lot of people also like the earlier stuff). The show recently just feels really self-indulgent, which means there's still quite a few funny jokes that get through, but also a lot of shite


Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on November 27, 2021, 05:53:37 PM
Still with the Tegridy Farms? If Jerkass Homer Randy had opened a sports shop and went around saying people needed some balls, it still would have been shit, but at least it would have been a proper pun.
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: up_the_hampipe on November 27, 2021, 10:29:44 PM
Jimmy being a "woke comic" is just like that fucking John Cleese tweet from a couple of weeks ago https://twitter.com/JohnCleese/status/1459398678293196800 Trying to say comedy isn't funny if you can't make fun of minorities? I don't even understand the logic. We're losing all these once great comedic talents to this delusion.

As for the rest of it, there's something exciting about seeing them all older, but there wasn't much in the way of laughs at all. And, yeah, Tegridy Farms still being in the story is just exhausting. I'm enjoying the Cartman stuff mostly.

Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: Noodle Lizard on November 27, 2021, 11:19:54 PM
I liked it well enough, but it didn't have an ending! When does the next one happen?
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: idunnosomename on November 28, 2021, 12:34:30 AM
Not many laughs but I found it interesting. Especially Eric and his family.

The Jimmy's unfunny inoffensive jokes is just an absurdity such as people saying "this is the future" all the time

otherwise surely the joke here was how straight it was all played
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: idunnosomename on November 28, 2021, 12:58:25 AM
Quote from: Dickie_Anders on November 23, 2021, 11:15:52 PMIn one of the commentaries Matt and Trey said that season 2 had the least involvement from them of the series. They were told by Hollywood guys to get others to run South Park while they used its initial explosion of popularity to get their other ventures off the ground. I think they were also making BASEketball around the same time. They didn't like how that season turned out so they doubled back and South Park became their main thing again.

That being said, if you look at the credits Trey directed pretty much all the episodes and was co-credited for a lot of the writing, so I think even then they were still fairly involved

yeah seems Matt at least really dropped out for S2. Nancy M. Pimental and David Goodman filled in a lot of the writing. their long-time associate Pam Brady worked on the classic Underpants Gnomes ep. would be nice to rewatch it all and be aware of this sort of thing. still, won't back down on the dialogue being way sharper and funnier in S2.
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: BeardFaceMan on December 05, 2021, 04:28:05 PM
Funniest thing about this was the singing doorbell, although to be fair that was really fucking funny.
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: Captain Z on December 05, 2021, 05:08:34 PM
Only just found out about this yesterday but I really enjoyed it. I knew the 'woke comedy' stuff wouldn't be well-received here, but I took it as more of an 'anti-wokes actually believe this is happening' statement so it worked for me. Alexa stuff very funny too. Nothing particularly new but plenty of good old South Park humour.

Not sure if this time line will continue in a future special, I hope it does because I was absolutely gutted that we didn't get a reveal that
Spoiler alert
Cartman was just playing a trick on Kyle all along.
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Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: JesusAndYourBush on December 05, 2021, 11:51:45 PM
Quote from: Captain Z on December 05, 2021, 05:08:34 PMNot sure if this time line will continue in a future special, I hope it does because I was absolutely gutted that we didn't get a reveal that
Spoiler alert
Cartman was just playing a trick on Kyle all along.
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I bloody hope it continues because it ended in the middle of a story with no resolution, so I assume it's a 2(or more) part story.
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: bgmnts on December 05, 2021, 11:53:36 PM
The woke comedy stuff was poop because John Thompson did that bit ages ago didnt he?
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: AsparagusTrevor on December 06, 2021, 08:14:55 AM
Part two is apparently coming this month.
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: evilcommiedictator on December 07, 2021, 04:25:57 AM
Saw the Youtube clips of it and it was baffling, I mean, they're still trying to nail woke/fash by making all the jokes that don't currently work for the fash?
Were the PC Babies in it too? I could do with some more 4chan humor
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: Sonny_Jim on December 07, 2021, 07:13:24 AM
Quote from: big egg on August 06, 2021, 01:10:41 PMit makes me sad to see the guys who made The Book of Mormon, Team America and Baseketball sign the next 6 years of their career away to the ever diminishing returns of SP.
IIRC Baseketball was written, produced and directed by David Zucker (one third of ZAZ who did Airplane/Naked Gun), Matt and Trey just acted in it.  Still it's weird when he does the Cartman voice when sniffing the panties.

Quote from: idunnosomename on August 08, 2021, 10:28:01 AMGod knows what kids born in the 00s think about South Park.
Showed my 13 year old a couple of episodes, started with 'Cartman gets an anal probe'.  He seemed pretty weirded out by it, but enjoyed it.  I think years of strange, cheaply made internet meme videos kinda prepared him for it, versus the what-the-fuck-is-this experience we had.

WRT the gay insults, we watch quite a bit of 90's UK stuff (he's Australian), so I've had to explain to him about how in the 90's we thought we had solved racism/homophobia etc, so we tended to make bad taste jokes about it.  Thing is, he goes to a pretty bogan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogan) school so he's had gay thrown at him as a slur.

I did show him a later episode ('Goobacks'), just to show him it's not all crude jokes and paper cutouts.  He seemed to enjoy it, although I could tell he was getting a bit uncomfortable over the both-sidesing in it.  He did laugh at 'DEY TURK AAAH JERBS!' (who wouldn't?)

I definitely get the feeling they are going to wind it down.  They already started doing the Simpsons death spiral, with the 'what will our characters be like in the future?' and the constant 'We live in the future, we can't make jokes now' peppered throughout the special says to me they know they're dinosaurs at this point.

Honestly, it felt like Matt and Trey had a personal falling out over COVID and this was their way of patching it up between them.

EDIT:  The singing doorbell was very funny.
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: McChesney Duntz on December 07, 2021, 04:09:59 PM
Quote from: Sonny_Jim on December 07, 2021, 07:13:24 AMIIRC Baseketball was written, produced and directed by David Zucker (one third of ZAZ who did Airplane/Naked Gun), Matt and Trey just acted in it.  Still it's weird when he does the Cartman voice when sniffing the panties.

My understanding is that Parker & Stone did extensive (and uncredited) rewrites on the script. I always wondered if this was the project that stoked either their or Zucker's latent conservative streak - wasn't too long after that P&S did Team America and JZ made the wretched An American Carol. Or maybe they just arrived at "Michael Moore is a big fat idiot" at the same time.
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: up_the_hampipe on December 07, 2021, 05:38:25 PM
Quote from: McChesney Duntz on December 07, 2021, 04:09:59 PMMy understanding is that Parker & Stone did extensive (and uncredited) rewrites on the script.

Yeah, scenes like this are pure Trey https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WD9MVTfdjs
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: olliebean on December 16, 2021, 03:54:48 PM
Part 2 of the most recent special has just turned up in my downloads.
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: JaDanketies on December 16, 2021, 04:01:07 PM
Thought part 1 of the special was fucking hilarious, even if it had a 'you can't joke about anything offensive these days' recurring joke. It's fucking bullshit, Trey and Matt! That was a really offensive episode, but the only parts that crossed the 'woke' line were Jimmy's non-jokes.
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: idunnosomename on December 16, 2021, 09:12:05 PM
second one was ok. NFT stuff was good, but not as interesting as the first one overall.

Spoiler alert
god the Ike airport bit was hilarious, but maybe that's because I'm an idiot and still find flapping heads and "aboot" funny two decades later. thought the whole putting the time-travel machine on the Catholic Church high altar was pretty fun Omen sequel-like ridiculousness. also fun to see the Blade Runner live action footage pay off


chucking Cartman's wholesome Jewish family in the time-travel void was pretty mean but expected: I mean, he was a cunt as an adult too, just selfish in a different way, through religious sanctimony rather than childish petulance. but what did he sacrifice it for? the future still looks shit. just everyone got high in 2021 and admitted they fucked up? don't look to Trey Parker for any meaningful social commentary, I mean, not that you would, but just a reminder, he's best when he sticks to making fun of how Canadians don't speak and jokes about things being stuck up your ass
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Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: Old Nehamkin on December 16, 2021, 09:27:05 PM
Thought this one had a few good laughs again and the Butters/NFT stuff was fun but overall it felt like they dropped the ball a bit on the last episode's set-up and I felt like they could've done something far more interesting with the time travel conceit. Thought the ending with Cartman was a bit too much of a bummer but maybe I'm just getting soft. I was once again left feeling vaguely depressed and wistful.
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: Noodle Lizard on December 17, 2021, 01:42:11 AM
Right up to the reveal, I was really expecting the Cartman ending to be the exact same Future Cartman we got a glimpse of at the end of My Future Self 'n Me. I'm actually a little astonished they didn't do that.
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: idunnosomename on December 17, 2021, 02:01:14 AM
Eric Cartman is a monstrous cunt who you should never feel sorry for, I reckon the intention was meant by Parker that he became a rabbi and had a family just to spite Kyle after their friendship group broke up, as the insinuations in the first part. although the loving wholesome family was played totally straight and there was the brief bit of hiding in the attic and casting Kyle as Hitler (after his kids were all "fuck uncle Kyle" in the first part) which was a bit on the nose. wonder what Matt thought about it. well, I think these days he just shows up and does the Kyle voice and few other bits and that's it.

also the fact they are doing a timeline 40 years in the future even though the series begun in the late 90s. the parents were boomers (Jimbo and Ned being Vietnam vets) so they couldnt possibly be all alive in 2061. unlike the Simpsons I dont really care about character development being thrown out the window, it's just self-parodying meta-fiction. and they're doing a lot better than the Simpsons in the long game, since they went to shit before they even finished one decade.
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: backdrifter on December 17, 2021, 05:29:07 AM
Quote from: Sonny_Jim on December 07, 2021, 07:13:24 AMI definitely get the feeling they are going to wind it down.  They already started doing the Simpsons death spiral, with the 'what will our characters be like in the future?' and the constant 'We live in the future, we can't make jokes now' peppered throughout the special says to me they know they're dinosaurs at this point.

They just signed up to "6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies".
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: Sonny_Jim on December 17, 2021, 07:24:11 AM
Blatantly didn't read the title did I?  Oopsy.

Good luck to 'em, hope they can keep it fresh and I'll be watching everything they put out.  I think the new COVID special event should be out by now.

EDIT:  Yeah it is.  yarr
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: backdrifter on December 17, 2021, 11:34:47 AM
For me, the second part had only about 30% of the laughs as the first one (which I loved). But the basic story/concept held up fairly well.

As many have said, NFT stuff was great. And randomly coincided with Melania Trump launching an NFT venture on exactly the same (or maybe next?) day.
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: retsuza on December 17, 2021, 11:52:59 AM
Quote from: Sonny_Jim on December 07, 2021, 07:13:24 AMHonestly, it felt like Matt and Trey had a personal falling out over COVID and this was their way of patching it up between them.

Definitely possible. I never really saw Stan or Kyle as a creator self-insert but the adult character designs really look like Matt and Trey.
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: idunnosomename on December 17, 2021, 12:19:03 PM
I think Matt indeed has a full beard at the moment (obv not a big red jewfro though) while Trey just has stubble.
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: JaDanketies on December 17, 2021, 03:12:00 PM
Good two-parter all-round.

Like everyone else itt, I first enjoyed South Park two decades ago, but I've never really believed this 'South Park is getting worse' thing that everyone keeps going on about. Seems like people have been saying it for ages; back in Season 7 people were complaining that it was preachy and they preferred the anarchic and crude humour of the first seasons. Sure, the season about the first Trump election was a miss. Other than that, I think it's always been pretty solid, as has all of Matt and Trey's other output.

Some seasons are worse than others but there's always some gold, and they're doing these long-form episodes very well.
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: madhair60 on December 17, 2021, 04:55:03 PM
I wouldn't say it's getting worse, I think it's just a totally different show now and I don't like it as much as I used to. The topicality makes it very patchy and there are a lot of one-joke episodes.
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: JamesTC on December 17, 2021, 05:27:24 PM
I really am fucked off by all the weed shit now.
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: Noodle Lizard on December 17, 2021, 05:34:17 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on December 17, 2021, 05:27:24 PMI really am fucked off by all the weed shit now.

It's some serious dedication to trolling. They know everyone hates it, and that's why they keep doing it. The very ending of this latest special confirms that, I think.

Sadly, while I'm sure that's very funny for them, it's still not particularly funny for anyone else and it's essentially robbed us of Randy, who had become one of the best characters.
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: EggsLikeABird on December 18, 2021, 06:23:23 PM
"What about these bi sexual Canadians? They dont know whether to fuck their sister or their brother." JIMMY!
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: idunnosomename on December 18, 2021, 09:00:47 PM
good joke though imo
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: up_the_hampipe on December 19, 2021, 12:20:41 AM
I really liked this one. The message at the end was quite nice too, but still very SP (Cartman's fate and Space Jam 2).

Don't think I'll ever not laugh out loud at Cartman's baby going "fuck you, uncle Kyle!"
Title: Re: 6 more seasons of South Park and 14(?!) movies
Post by: Sonny_Jim on December 19, 2021, 02:08:32 AM
I enjoyed part 2.  Not sure I'd agree with the 'its only about 20% as funny as part 1 but makes up for it in story'.  A lot of the jokes were more subtle, but on the whole as least as good as the first part.

Ike was a definite highlight