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Title: Movie stars that never were
Post by: dead-ced-dead on November 26, 2021, 11:06:34 AM
I've been re-watching Scrubs and there are several episodes guest starring Freddy Rodriguez. It flashed me back to around 2005-7, after Six Feet Under ended and Hollywood tried to push him into leading man status with several movies that just never took.

It's funny how that can happen: talented actor, handsome, Emmy nominee, coming off a hugely popular TV show and then... nothing.

So it got me thinking about other actors that were primed for stardom and then just didn't happen. Speaking of Scrubs, Zach Braff is another good example: hugely popular sitcom, starred-directed-wrote an indie Sundance smash... nothing.

Can you think of other examples?
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on November 26, 2021, 11:16:10 AM
Bryan Cranston seemed poised for great things after Breaking Bad, but nothing he's done since has really seemed to make a mark.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: dead-ced-dead on November 26, 2021, 11:19:53 AM
Quote from: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on November 26, 2021, 11:16:10 AMBryan Cranston seemed poised for great things after Breaking Bad, but nothing he's done since has really seemed to make a mark.

Yeah, that's a good example. Same for Aaron Paul. All his blockbuster attempts fell flat.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: phantom_power on November 26, 2021, 11:25:26 AM
This might explain Rodriguez's lack of progress:

"From 2016 to 2021, Rodriguez starred as attorney and former New York City prosecutor Benny Colón in the CBS courtroom drama Bull. In May 2021, multiple news outlets reported that, following the conclusion of two separate internal workplace investigations by CBS, Rodriguez and Bull showrunner Glenn Gordon Caron would not be returning for the series's sixth season"

As for Cranston, I don't think he was ever going to be a huge star and has had a pretty good post BB career doing character work, which is pretty much what you would expect from him
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: dead-ced-dead on November 26, 2021, 11:58:54 AM
Also Cranston was already rich from Malcolm in the Middle, so he had the freedom to turn down roles he didn't want, even if it would improve his star power. Allowing him to be more of a character player.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: George White on November 26, 2021, 12:05:22 PM
I'm fascinated by the fag end of the British film industry in the late 60s when there was a whole roster of young actors who seemed to have been primed to be big stars.
Simon Ward, Dennis Waterman, Ian McShane, Hywel Bennett, Michael Crawford
A few like Malcolm McDowell, Michael York and SImon Ward managed to cling on to the late 70s, but the majority either went west into US telly or Europe (David Hemmings did both) or stayed and went into telly


There's a few British actors massive in telly who either tried to make it in films or could have but chose not to. Robert Lindsay tried, but the twin disasters of Bert Rigby, You're  A Fool and also having the supposed gall to stand up against Harvey Weinstein in Strike it Ricb ensued his future would be firmly at home.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Magnum Valentino on November 26, 2021, 12:18:22 PM
There's a few I always thought were a bit better than their co-stars who never became as bankably massive as I wished they had - Matthew Lilliard, Annabella Sciorra - and of course Brandon Lee and River Phoenix who definitely had something about them that probably would have led to a couple great performances in the late 90s had they survived.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: thecuriousorange on November 26, 2021, 12:30:03 PM
Sam Worthington was handed a golden ticket with a starring role in Avatar, but was seen in very little else in the decade that followed. At least nothing anywhere near that scale. His generation's Michael Biehn?
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: George White on November 26, 2021, 12:38:30 PM
Quote from: Magnum Valentino on November 26, 2021, 12:18:22 PMThere's a few I always thought were a bit better than their co-stars who never became as bankably massive as I wished they had - Matthew Lilliard, Annabella Sciorra - and of course Brandon Lee and River Phoenix who definitely had something about them that probably would have led to a couple great performances in the late 90s had they survived.
Sciorra apparently was a victim of Weinstein and co.
Recently watched that odd erotic thriller pseudo-giallo film she did, Whispers in the Dark, assumed it was a mid-low budget programmer on the same level as the Last Seduction, the biggest stars are Alan Alda and Jill Clayburgh past their prime, Turns out it cost $30 million, opposed to TLS' 2.5 million.

Talking of TLS, whatever happened to Linda Fiorentino?
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: phantom_power on November 26, 2021, 12:39:20 PM
Quote from: Magnum Valentino on November 26, 2021, 12:18:22 PMThere's a few I always thought were a bit better than their co-stars who never became as bankably massive as I wished they had - Matthew Lilliard, Annabella Sciorra - and of course Brandon Lee and River Phoenix who definitely had something about them that probably would have led to a couple great performances in the late 90s had they survived.

You could see River having a similar career to Joaquin has now, with a bit of Brad Pitt
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on November 26, 2021, 12:46:49 PM
Quote from: thecuriousorange on November 26, 2021, 12:30:03 PMSam Worthington was handed a golden ticket with a starring role in Avatar, but was seen in very little else in the decade that followed. At least nothing anywhere near that scale. His generation's Michael Biehn?
He also did Clash of the Titans around the same time. It seems to be standard Hollywood procedure to take some generic white bloke and cast him in a rapid succession of would-be blockbusters, only for them to sink at the box office. Taylor Kitsch is a notable example.

The odd thing with Worthington is that his films were actually successful.

I read somewhere that Michael Biehn's career was affected by alcoholism and dyslexia. Apparently he turned down a bunch of good roles because he had a hard time understanding them on the page.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: DrGreggles on November 26, 2021, 12:54:58 PM
Quote from: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on November 26, 2021, 11:16:10 AMBryan Cranston seemed poised for great things after Breaking Bad, but nothing he's done since has really seemed to make a mark.

He's mostly done theatre stuff since BB.
The successful actor's way of saying "I never have to work again!"
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Ham Bap on November 26, 2021, 12:57:02 PM
Josh Hartnett. Seems to be doing indie movies these days.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: dissolute ocelot on November 26, 2021, 01:00:47 PM
Quote from: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on November 26, 2021, 12:46:49 PMHe also did Clash of the Titans around the same time. It seems to be standard Hollywood procedure to take some generic white bloke and cast him in a rapid succession of would-be blockbusters, only for them to sink at the box office. Taylor Kitsch is a notable example.

The odd thing with Worthington is that his films were actually successful.

I read somewhere that Michael Biehn's career was affected by alcoholism and dyslexia. Apparently he turned down a bunch of good roles because he had a hard time understanding them on the page.
Quote from: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on November 26, 2021, 12:46:49 PMHe also did Clash of the Titans around the same time. It seems to be standard Hollywood procedure to take some generic white bloke and cast him in a rapid succession of would-be blockbusters, only for them to sink at the box office. Taylor Kitsch is a notable example.
Worthington was a rubbish actor. Even in his Aussie breakthrough Somersault all he did was stand around looking moody while Abbie Cornish lusted over him, and then I guess casting directors went "There's this hot new Australian, he's going to be a star, you should cast him."

Ashton Kutcher was a likable dude in That 70s Show and for a while seemed headed for blockbusters, with Dude, Where's My Car?, The Butterfly Effect, What Happened In Vegas, etc, but then went back to TV. Speaking of That 70s Show, Mila Kunis is both gorgeous and funny but despite a couple of romcoms and a supporting role in Black Swan never really made it to movie stardom, sticking with voicing Meg Griffin.

After Buffy, Sarah Michelle Gellar seems to have made multiple attempts, initially in teen drama and then as a horror queen, but never really got far. I can't really decide if she's a good actor or not. Her co-star Eliza Dushku probably had more of a chance at megastardom, being very attractive and talented, but fell in with a bad crowd (Joss Whedon) and hasn't done a lot in the past 10 years.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Inspector Norse on November 26, 2021, 01:06:57 PM
Despite so many of the cast of Dazed and Confused going on to major success, or at least regular and serious TV and film work, Jason London never really made it despite having the central role and being regarded by many as the most likely breakout star.
The story is that his sister was killed in an accident not long after filming had wrapped, and he missed out on a lot of the auditions and roles that the rest of the cast were getting to push on in their careers. Instead, he's spent 25 years in TV movies and DTV horror sequels, pausing every couple of years or so to get arrested for drunken misbehaviour - most recently getting pulled out of his car while it was in a ditch, on fire.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: phantom_power on November 26, 2021, 01:08:23 PM
Whenever someone doesn't make it after being touted, I always think it is probably because they are an arsehole or difficult to work with. I imagine if you are amenable and do what you are told you get a few chances to be in flops and still get work but if you are a dick you have to be bringing in the money or it isn't worth it
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: dr beat on November 26, 2021, 01:16:24 PM
Zac Efron springs to mind, particularly around the time of Me and Orson Welles, but seemed to have gone downhill from there on.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: George White on November 26, 2021, 01:19:05 PM
Quote from: thecuriousorange on November 26, 2021, 12:30:03 PMSam Worthington was handed a golden ticket with a starring role in Avatar, but was seen in very little else in the decade that followed. At least nothing anywhere near that scale. His generation's Michael Biehn?
Yeah, except Worthington doesn't seem to have anywhere near the cult fanbase Biehn has.

The actor I always associate with this type is Craig Wasson, the Bill Maher doppelganger (the fact  both were around in Hollywood at the same time, both even did Murder, She Wrote) who had lead roles in several films - Arthur Penn's Four Friends, all-star (in Ireland, at least) IRA drama The Outsider, De palma's Body Double, a few early Nam pics...



Also re:Me and Orson Welles, Christian MacKay got a lot of early Oscar buzz, then when the film bombed, quietly went back to a solid career as a character actor in UK telly. Reminded of Tom Baker in Nicholas and Alexandra - gets a big potential star-making role, Oscar buzz and a Golden Globe nom but then after a  few films, ends up on a building site.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Bad Ambassador on November 26, 2021, 01:23:17 PM
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/HollywoodHypeMachine/ExamplesThatDidntHoldUp

Some good "whatever happened to"s there, such as Edward Burns, Emile Hirsch, Brandon Routh, Dougray Scott and most of the cast of Friends.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: BritishHobo on November 26, 2021, 01:38:29 PM
TV shows are a good well I think, most big big TV shows you think of have stars who at the time seemed like The Big Thing but it just never happened. Look at how big Lost and Heroes were. At the time you'd have thought you'd be seeing loads more of Matthew Fox, Josh Holloway, Hayden Panettiere, Masi Oka, Milo Ventimiglia... but it just never really happens. Game of Thrones is a good illustrative example, where the younger leads like Kit Harrington, Sophie Turner, Emilia Clarke, get to walk into blockbuster films, but then the films don't do that well, and it dwindles.

I think people are getting cannier now and realising staying in TV is better, both critically and commercially. Look at yer fella who played Nathan in Misfits. He left after series 2, presumably hyped up by his agent to think his character's popularity would translate into easy Hollywood success. Now after a few franchises that never really took off, he's doing The Umbrella Academy on Netflix, and that seems like a more fulfilling success. It must be tricky as an actor. How can you ever know for sure whether your next project is going to be a 'Hunger Games', or whether it's going to be a 'Divergent'?
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: monkfromhavana on November 26, 2021, 01:44:35 PM
I can't think of anyone who would have been a better Bond that Lewis Collins. Shame he fucked up the audition by being too "aggressive".
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: George White on November 26, 2021, 02:18:25 PM
Yes, he did find a niche in Italian action films* but like a lot of actors, ended his once glittering career with a guest shot in The Bill.

*(as did Oliver Tobias - who seemed to have been launched as a star several times, initially in 1971's Romance of a Horsethief, then the Stud, before doing mainly stuff on the continent before resurfacing in early 00s UK TV comedy).

A lot of the would-have-been Bonds are actors like this.
People like George Baker and Richard Johnson who had leading roles in films but their brief stardom didn't last, and instead had long, durable careers as character actors in telly and  on stage (though Johnson managed to  juggle being a stalwart of the RSC with doing the likes of Beyond the Door, Zombie Flesh Eaters and Island of the Fishmen, a film which he manages to give a really good performance that saves the damn thing)
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: SweetPomPom on November 26, 2021, 02:26:23 PM
Jason Lee - there was definitely a time when it felt like he was gonna step up from the Kevin Smith tier to become a name actor and it felt like he had the talent. But he got was a Michael Bay bit part and that was it.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: dead-ced-dead on November 26, 2021, 02:32:35 PM
Quote from: phantom_power on November 26, 2021, 01:08:23 PMWhenever someone doesn't make it after being touted, I always think it is probably because they are an arsehole or difficult to work with. I imagine if you are amenable and do what you are told you get a few chances to be in flops and still get work but if you are a dick you have to be bringing in the money or it isn't worth it

I call this The Colin Farrell Effect. After Phone Booth and several supporting roles, his attempt at megastardom halted with flop after flop, but he keeps getting regular work.

Apparently he's the loveliest, sweetest guy to work with. Even at the peak of his stardom when he had a reputation for partying and drinking and drugs, he was never an arsehole about it. He's just someone people want on sets. So he's flop proof.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Elderly Sumo Prophecy on November 26, 2021, 02:36:56 PM
They seem to be trying this at the moment with Nicholas Hoult, just throwing him at as many roles as they can and hoping something sticks and turns him into a leading man. Unfortunately Hoult can't act and will always be the rat faced boy from Skins, so it's never going to work.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: dead-ced-dead on November 26, 2021, 02:40:56 PM
Quote from: Elderly Sumo Prophecy on November 26, 2021, 02:36:56 PMThey seem to be trying this at the moment with Nicholas Hoult, just throwing him at as many roles as they can and hoping something sticks and turns him into a leading man. Unfortunately Hoult can't act and will always be the rat faced boy from Skins, so it's never going to work.

I wonder if actors are ever aware that they'll only have a 5-10 year window when Hollywood is throwing million dollar paycheques at them. Like, I wonder if Nicholas Hoult is aware that the window is closing and is saving-investing as much of the money he's getting now, so that when the big paycheques dry up he'll have enough money coming in.

Young stardom isn't usually blessed with hindsight, but I do wonder if some young actors know that after being in a flop they need to save their money.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on November 26, 2021, 02:54:41 PM
Quote from: dead-ced-dead on November 26, 2021, 02:32:35 PMI call this The Colin Farrell Effect. After Phone Booth and several supporting roles, his attempt at megastardom halted with flop after flop, but he keeps getting regular work.
I remember recommending In Bruges to people, pretty much all of whom would initially turn their noses up at it because of Farrell. Once they actually watched it, they all changed their tune about him. He seems to have found a good niche doing off-beat work like The Lobster these days.

Quote from: SweetPomPom on November 26, 2021, 02:26:23 PMJason Lee - there was definitely a time when it felt like he was gonna step up from the Kevin Smith tier to become a name actor and it felt like he had the talent. But he got was a Michael Bay bit part and that was it.
I think I said in the Senor Spielbergos thread, it seemed like Ryan Reynolds stole his thunder.

Even in these days of Peak TV, I always think that a middlingly successful film actor going into telly work is a tacit confirmation that their movie career is dwindling.

It seems like everything Chris Hemsworth has done besides Thor has been a big flop.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: SweetPomPom on November 26, 2021, 02:56:40 PM
Quote from: dead-ced-dead on November 26, 2021, 02:32:35 PMI call this The Colin Farrell Effect. After Phone Booth and several supporting roles, his attempt at megastardom halted with flop after flop, but he keeps getting regular work.

Apparently he's the loveliest, sweetest guy to work with. Even at the peak of his stardom when he had a reputation for partying and drinking and drugs, he was never an arsehole about it. He's just someone people want on sets. So he's flop proof.

I don't know when it happened but something clicked and I'd watch him in anything now. Don't know if it's just him making better choices or coming up with more nuanced performances but he's always good value for money.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: The Culture Bunker on November 26, 2021, 02:57:49 PM
Quote from: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on November 26, 2021, 02:54:41 PMIt seems like everything Chris Hemsworth has done besides Thor has been a big flop.
Sure I saw an ad of him shilling for some kind of Expo in one of the Arab oil states just yesterday, which does make me wonder if he's aware he has a concluding shelf-life (presumably while he can maintain that physique) and is cashing in while he can. I think outside the Marvel stuff, I've only seen him in Rush, which was enjoyable enough.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: phantom_power on November 26, 2021, 03:06:29 PM
Quote from: Elderly Sumo Prophecy on November 26, 2021, 02:36:56 PMThey seem to be trying this at the moment with Nicholas Hoult, just throwing him at as many roles as they can and hoping something sticks and turns him into a leading man. Unfortunately Hoult can't act and will always be the rat faced boy from Skins, so it's never going to work.

Really? I think he is a decent actor and has been in loads of things, from X-Men to Warm Bodies and The Great on TV, which he is...er...great...in
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: dead-ced-dead on November 26, 2021, 03:13:24 PM
Lee Evans was definitely being courted for this: MouseHunt, There's Something About Mary and a few other Hollywood bit parts. I think he was also an uncredited joke writer for NBC (or one of the TV studios) for a bit.

But I think while he enjoyed making the films, he really hated what Hollywood was turning him into.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on November 26, 2021, 03:20:52 PM
Quote from: DrGreggles on November 26, 2021, 12:54:58 PMHe's mostly done theatre stuff since BB.
The successful actor's way of saying "I never have to work again!"

I don't think that's really true though, the first thing he did after Breaking Bad was Godzilla, and he followed it up with Trumbo, one of those biopics that's begging for Oscars. Then in 2016 alone he starred in three movies (The Infiltrator, Wakefield and Get A Job) and was a supporting character in two others, while in 2017 he created (and co-starred in) Sneaky Pete, before making another bunch of worthy but average films. I love him as an actor, but think the choices he's made since Breaking Bad have mostly been pretty disappointing.

Quote from: phantom_power on November 26, 2021, 03:06:29 PMReally? I think he is a decent actor and has been in loads of things, from X-Men to Warm Bodies and The Great on TV, which he is...er...great...in

I was surprised by that as well, and really rate him as an actor too.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: DrGreggles on November 26, 2021, 03:27:49 PM
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on November 26, 2021, 03:20:52 PMI don't think that's really true though, the first thing he did after Breaking Bad was Godzilla, and he followed it up with Trumbo, one of those biopics that's begging for Oscars. Then in 2016 alone he starred in three movies (The Infiltrator, Wakefield and Get A Job) and was a supporting character in two others, while in 2017 he created (and co-starred in) Sneaky Pete, before making another bunch of worthy but average films. I love him as an actor, but think the choices he's made since Breaking Bad have mostly been pretty disappointing.

I wasn't saying he hadn't made films, but I don't think he's interested in capitalising on his BB stardom, hence his runs on Broadway and in the West End.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: SweetPomPom on November 26, 2021, 03:30:21 PM
James Marsden is another X-men actor who didn't make step up to A list while apparently being loved by all in the biz. Don't remember him being noticeable in anything post-30 Rock.

Not sure if it fits with OP but John Cazale was absolutely perfect in his handful of films and that last shot of him being left behind in Deer Hunter is a heartbreaker. Could have been the antidote to mid-late period DeNiro.and Pacino bilge..
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: SweetPomPom on November 26, 2021, 03:32:14 PM
Cranston was great in Network, deserved all his plaudits.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: The Culture Bunker on November 26, 2021, 03:35:29 PM
Quote from: SweetPomPom on November 26, 2021, 03:30:21 PMJames Marsden is another X-men actor who didn't make step up to A list while apparently being loved by all in the biz. Don't remember him being noticeable in anything post-30 Rock.
I remember him in the first series of Westworld - I didn't watch it beyond that - and I think he was in the Sonic the Hedgehog film more recently. Bit hard to remember him, because in his most famous role, he had that visor covering his eyes.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on November 26, 2021, 03:41:00 PM
I remember the trailer for Godzilla gave Cranston's presence equal weight to Godzilla itself. Then the film was released and everyone felt ripped off that he was barely in it (then again, nor was Godzilla).

I don't know exactly what level of stardom he could have achieved post Breaking Bad, but it's certainly more than he has done. These days he seems to have been overshadowed by his former 'Also featuring' player Bob Odenkirk (no slight on twinkly Bob).
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Ignatius_S on November 26, 2021, 04:18:17 PM
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on November 26, 2021, 03:20:52 PMI don't think that's really true though, the first thing he did after Breaking Bad was Godzilla, and he followed it up with Trumbo, one of those biopics that's begging for Oscars. Then in 2016 alone he starred in three movies (The Infiltrator, Wakefield and Get A Job) and was a supporting character in two others, while in 2017 he created (and co-starred in) Sneaky Pete, before making another bunch of worthy but average films. I love him as an actor, but think the choices he's made since Breaking Bad have mostly been pretty disappointing....

When looking at Cranston, films he did whilst Breaking Bad was running should be considered as the series was instrumental in his casting. In particular, Argo and Drive - the former was a commercial and critical hit and the latter won him many plaudits from reviewers and again, a film that did well commercially and critically.

Prior to Breaking Bad, Cranston has done relatively little movie work and that work tended to be dubbing or acting (usually as support) in not particularly good, but economical to make films. During and post Breaking Bad, his films have far from being all classics, but they have tended to be a step up from those earlier ones.

Also something that needs to be factored in is his age - after Breaking Bad, he was 57 that's going to restrict his film roles and there was no chance of him becoming a big movie star.

With regards to picking films roles, these things aren't an exact science, actors are sometimes badly advised or for that matter, their representatives will simply not present them with offers. Additionally, circumstances change - Super Mario Bros. is a classic example; the principal cast all signed on due to the script by Dick Clement and Ian La Frenais but then found out a completely different one was going to be used, which they were stuck with. There are many actors that I wished had been in better films, but there are so many factors at play.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Ignatius_S on November 26, 2021, 04:20:57 PM
Quote from: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on November 26, 2021, 03:41:00 PM...I don't know exactly what level of stardom he could have achieved post Breaking Bad, but it's certainly more than he has done. These days he seems to have been overshadowed by his former 'Also featuring' player Bob Odenkirk (no slight on twinkly Bob).

Although it's fair (and accurate) to say that Odenkirk in recent years has been in some real stinkers, both commercially and critically, as well as some fantastic work.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on November 26, 2021, 04:22:14 PM
Quote from: Ignatius_S on November 26, 2021, 04:18:17 PMSuper Mario Bros. is a classic example; the principal cast all signed on due to the script by Dick Clement and Ian La Frenais but then found out a completely different one was going to be used, which they were stuck with.
I hope you bought my hat dinner first, because you just fucked it good.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: BeardFaceMan on November 26, 2021, 04:59:23 PM
Quote from: DrGreggles on November 26, 2021, 12:54:58 PMHe's mostly done theatre stuff since BB.
The successful actor's way of saying "I never have to work again!"

I've heard Cranston say in interviews that he never wanted to be big or famous, his life goal was to become a working actor and make a living from that. He did that years ago, that's why he does smaller stuff or theatre, it's not really about money, that's just the type of stuff he enjoys doing.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on November 26, 2021, 05:26:50 PM
Quote from: DrGreggles on November 26, 2021, 03:27:49 PMI wasn't saying he hadn't made films, but I don't think he's interested in capitalising on his BB stardom, hence his runs on Broadway and in the West End.

I think it's a case where we'll have to agree to disagree, because as far as I can see he's only acted in two plays (Network in the West End and Broadway, All the Way on Broadway) but made a sod load of quite high profile films and tv, it's just that not much of it has been any good.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on November 26, 2021, 05:55:54 PM
Yes, it's not that he hasn't been working consistently, it's that none of it seems to have even tickled the zeitgeist.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: mothman on November 26, 2021, 07:13:12 PM
David Caruso spent the eighties in supporting roles in films - and he was a weaselly-looking little scrote back then so not really a surprise he got nowhere. Then he aged a bit and got the lead in NYPD Blue and was a massive hit and instant heart-throb. So immediately he starts trying to get out of his contract to go off to be a big movie star. He burns his bridges with TV in general, and Steven Bochco in particular... and his movie career was a total bust. He eventually skulked back to TV and after about a decade has a hit in CSI Miami. When that was cancelled after ten years, he seems to have retired from acting.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Famous Mortimer on November 26, 2021, 08:32:21 PM
Agreed about Caruso - he's one of those guys who, for some reason, I love on telly. He picked two excellent roles and did them very well, and I presume he saved his money. Perhaps he was one of those people who recognised he wasn't getting a second bite of the movie-star apple and decided to bin it off? I think there's half a chance, if the Vegas reboot of CSI does well, he'll be offered a similar deal for Miami.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on November 26, 2021, 08:44:28 PM
Caruso's film career has nowhere higher to go after Session 9.
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Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on November 26, 2021, 08:45:03 PM
I was a big fan of NYPD Blue and Caruso was superb in that first season, but I hadn't noticed he'd quit acting now, I just presumed he'd moved on from CSI Miami to some other procedural.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: The Culture Bunker on November 26, 2021, 09:08:24 PM
Yeah, I'm not sure there's many other examples of someone who's been in a (mainly) very successful show and then just quit the trade when it ended. CSI: Miami wound up nearly ten years ago and it seems he's not bothered with acting since - fair fucks, if he was financially set.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Brundle-Fly on November 26, 2021, 09:16:48 PM
Thora Birch's career going down the toilet was rather sad. I know she was never going to compete with her Ghost World (2001) co-star in the glamour stakes but Birch deserved so much more after her nuanced portrayal of Enid from said movie. I was so pleased to see her turn up in The Walking Dead recently(ish).
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: mothman on November 26, 2021, 09:28:05 PM
I think Miami might have been the CSI with the highest ratings, so yeah he's probably set for life. It may be that in having that success he was trying to reclaim the acclaim he might have had if he'd stuck with NYPD Blue.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: The Culture Bunker on November 26, 2021, 09:32:24 PM
Quote from: mothman on November 26, 2021, 09:28:05 PMI think Miami might have been the CSI with the highest ratings, so yeah he's probably set for life. It may be that in having that success he was trying to reclaim the acclaim he might have had if he'd stuck with NYPD Blue.
For me, it was the one that was the most (presumably) absurd - what with Caine's one-liners leading to Daltery scream and whatnot - and also had the sexiest cast. Caruso aside, obv. So that made it the most fun to watch out of the franchise.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: George White on November 26, 2021, 09:43:04 PM
Quote from: The Culture Bunker on November 26, 2021, 09:08:24 PMYeah, I'm not sure there's many other examples of someone who's been in a (mainly) very successful show and then just quit the trade when it ended. CSI: Miami wound up nearly ten years ago and it seems he's not bothered with acting since - fair fucks, if he was financially set.

Jack Lord.
Dennis Franz
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: The Culture Bunker on November 26, 2021, 09:48:10 PM
Quote from: George White on November 26, 2021, 09:43:04 PMJack Lord.
Dennis Franz

Fair enough! Nice coincidence that they all played cops.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Ignatius_S on November 26, 2021, 09:52:02 PM
Quote from: The Culture Bunker on November 26, 2021, 09:08:24 PMYeah, I'm not sure there's many other examples of someone who's been in a (mainly) very successful show and then just quit the trade when it ended. CSI: Miami wound up nearly ten years ago and it seems he's not bothered with acting since - fair fucks, if he was financially set.

Dennis Franz retired after NYPD Blue but yeah, it's relatively rare for someone to totally quit the business after a successful show - barring child stars.

Something more common is when an actor focusses on other areas. Penny Marshall didn't entirely give up on acting after Laverne and Shirley, for instance, but her roles tended to cameos and guest spots, whilst her main work was directing and producing.

Also, they might just really reduced the amount they do - like Jack Benny did after his television show ended. Mind you, he was in his mid-60s, continued to do a lot of live work and it was only ill health that finally forced him to stop.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Ignatius_S on November 26, 2021, 09:53:20 PM
Quote from: mothman on November 26, 2021, 09:28:05 PMI think Miami might have been the CSI with the highest ratings, so yeah he's probably set for life. It may be that in having that success he was trying to reclaim the acclaim he might have had if he'd stuck with NYPD Blue.

He was paid a huge amount per episode and IIRC, was one of the top TV earners then. Also, because of his reputation, there could have been big challenges finding people wanting him.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Ignatius_S on November 26, 2021, 09:57:50 PM
Quote from: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on November 26, 2021, 04:22:14 PMI hope you bought my hat dinner first, because you just fucked it good.

A gentleman never discusses such things (good job, I'm not a gentleman etc. etc.).

Yeah, it's a pretty mad idea thinking about them being involved, even though they've had a very nice career in Hollywood. Their script was - and sure still is - online and it's interesting to think what might have been - the whole experience sounded like a complete nightmare, which Hoskins and his co-star drank heavily to deal with.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: The Culture Bunker on November 26, 2021, 09:59:53 PM
Quote from: Ignatius_S on November 26, 2021, 09:52:02 PMSomething more common is when an actor focusses on other areas. Penny Marshall didn't entirely give up on acting after Laverne and Shirley, for instance, but her roles tended to cameos and guest spots, whilst her main work was directing and producing.
I wonder if she was inspired by her (briefly) Happy Days co-star Ron Howard?
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Icehaven on November 26, 2021, 10:33:23 PM
Quote from: Brundle-Fly on November 26, 2021, 09:16:48 PMThora Birch's career going down the toilet was rather sad. I know she was never going to compete with her Ghost World (2001) co-star in the glamour stakes but Birch deserved so much more after her nuanced portrayal of Enid from said movie. I was so pleased to see her turn up in The Walking Dead recently(ish).

Didn't her father basically fuck her career up by being an overbearing control freak who wouldn't leave well enough alone on sets she was working on? I'm sure I read a few articles about it, he sounds like a nightmare.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Ignatius_S on November 26, 2021, 10:36:47 PM
Quote from: The Culture Bunker on November 26, 2021, 09:59:53 PMI wonder if she was inspired by her (briefly) Happy Days co-star Ron Howard?

It's usually said that her brother, Garry (who was the one that got her on Happy Days) was the one that encouraged her to get into directing.

A while ago, I was reading quite a bit about how Laverne and Shirley started - Michael McKean had a lot of interesting information about how he and David Lander (RIP) got hired. Rob Reiner, who was married to Penny, had seen them in The Credibility Gap playing two characters, which they had been doing since college and would become Lenny and Squiggy, and said they could be good for the proposed Laverne and Shirley.

One account of McKean, says that he and Lander were hired as writers but basically, this was a ploy and a cheaper way than to get them than as actors. They managed to get Credibility Gap colleague, Harry Shearer involved in the show. Later on, they recorded the awesome live album, Lenny and the Squigtones (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mycw1jeDKw8&list=PLs57pk8sbeMa293nue17OlBmkuUMIn53v) that features a certain Nigel Tufnel on guitar - the album is a collection of very good pastiches interspersed with patter. Some of the songs were performed on Laverne and Shirley.

Going from memory, one song intended for Lenny and Squiggy but was unused, was recored by Spinal Tap. In any case, it's an interesting way that Lenny and Squiggy played a part in how Spinal Tap came about.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Ignatius_S on November 26, 2021, 10:38:26 PM
Quote from: icehaven on November 26, 2021, 10:33:23 PMDidn't her father basically fuck her career up by being an overbearing control freak who wouldn't leave well enough alone on sets she was working on? I'm sure I read a few articles about it, he sounds like a nightmare.

Good shout - totally forgot about that.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: bgmnts on November 26, 2021, 10:44:23 PM
I'm going to go and say Sam Neill purely on the basis he was rocketed to the moon by being given the lead in probably one of the biggest blockbusters of all time, being outshone in that film by Goldblum and then not doing much of note after, to my recollection (Event Horizon is great).

But Goldblum went on to star in one of the othee biggest blockbusters of all time a few years later and become embedded in our cultural consciousness.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Noodle Lizard on November 26, 2021, 10:59:12 PM
It's almost never really the actor's fault, though, at least not until they reach Tom Cruise-style "megastar" status and can properly research and choose their roles with no real obligation either way. Even successful actors are almost entirely controlled by agents and business managers and any commitments they might have to the studios themselves. I'd imagine Bryan Cranston, for instance, was just set on the path that any agent/manager/producer would naturally jump to put him on given his notoriety from Breaking Bad, whether or not it really made much sense (the actors alone didn't make Breaking Bad what it was). Tell any actor they could get an Oscar for something and they'll do it, even if it's clearly and blatantly totally shit (https://www.kqed.org/arts/13874896/revisiting-tiptoes-and-gary-oldmans-bizarre-starring-role-as-a-little-person).

There's an increasing tendency to believe that these high-profile actors are smart and principled people, but a lot of them really aren't - almost by necessity. Some of them get that way once they've seen it for what it is (Marlon Brando, Orson Welles etc.), but then you see what happens to their careers after they start "acting up".

It doesn't really hurt anyone other than the actor in the longterm when these things fail. Then they move onto the next stage: hoping they'll be brought back from the depths by a Tarantino or a Birdman.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Bad Ambassador on November 26, 2021, 11:08:24 PM
Quote from: bgmnts on November 26, 2021, 10:44:23 PMI'm going to go and say Sam Neill purely on the basis he was rocketed to the moon by being given the lead in probably one of the biggest blockbusters of all time, being outshone in that film by Goldblum and then not doing much of note after, to my recollection (Event Horizon is great).

But Goldblum went on to star in one of the othee biggest blockbusters of all time a few years later and become embedded in our cultural consciousness.

Neill's been in a huge amount of stuff since then, just nothing even remotely on the same level. He's done 14 films in the last five years, including Peter Rabbit, Thor: Ragnarok, Peter Rabbit 2 and Liam Neeson thumpathon The Commuter, as well as the excellent Hunt for the Wilderpeople. He's also done a bunch of television.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Ignatius_S on November 26, 2021, 11:09:53 PM
Quote from: bgmnts on November 26, 2021, 10:44:23 PMI'm going to go and say Sam Neill purely on the basis he was rocketed to the moon by being given the lead in probably one of the biggest blockbusters of all time, being outshone in that film by Goldblum and then not doing much of note after, to my recollection (Event Horizon is great).

But Goldblum went on to star in one of the othee biggest blockbusters of all time a few years later and become embedded in our cultural consciousness.

Nah.

Firstly, both Neill and Goldblum were already well established actors. Secondly, Neill is an incredibly prolific actor who has been in a lot of very good stuff - admittedly, not huge commercial hits and something like Event Horizon was a flop - and Dean Spanley is absolutely wonderful. Dead Calm and The Dish were blockbusters, but brilliantly received and stand up today.

Had he wanted to live in Hollywood, I suspect his career would have gone in a different direction but that's not what he wanted. TV stuff like The Tudors and Peaky Blinders did well and excellent notices.

Not that I would particularly recommend them but he was in both the recent Peter Rabbit films
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Ignatius_S on November 26, 2021, 11:12:03 PM
Quote from: Bad Ambassador on November 26, 2021, 11:08:24 PMNeill's been in a huge amount of stuff since then, just nothing even remotely on the same level. He's done 14 films in the last five years, including Peter Rabbit, Thor: Ragnarok, Peter Rabbit 2 and Liam Neeson thumpathon The Commuter, as well as the excellent Hunt for the Wilderpeople. He's also done a bunch of television.

That's a really good shout - great film and one that commercially punched above its weight.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Avril Lavigne on November 26, 2021, 11:12:52 PM
Quote from: thecuriousorange on November 26, 2021, 12:30:03 PMSam Worthington was handed a golden ticket with a starring role in Avatar, but was seen in very little else in the decade that followed. At least nothing anywhere near that scale. His generation's Michael Biehn?

It's not surprising that Sam Worthington's career hasn't blossomed since Avatar, he's a total charisma void with a face and name I'd forget if he was the one who induced my trauma.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: dead-ced-dead on November 26, 2021, 11:23:12 PM
Quote from: Ignatius_S on November 26, 2021, 11:09:53 PMNah.

Firstly, both Neill and Goldblum were already well established actors. Secondly, Neill is an incredibly prolific actor who has been in a lot of very good stuff - admittedly, not huge commercial hits and something like Event Horizon was a flop - and Dean Spanley is absolutely wonderful. Dead Calm and The Dish were blockbusters, but brilliantly received and stand up today.

Had he wanted to live in Hollywood, I suspect his career would have gone in a different direction but that's not what he wanted. TV stuff like The Tudors and Peaky Blinders did well and excellent notices.

Not that I would particularly recommend them but he was in both the recent Peter Rabbit films

I agree with all of this, and to add, Spielberg specifically cast Neill (over Harrison Ford) because he was a character actor rather than a movie star, and as an audience member you'd worry that he might get eaten by a dinosaur. You wouldn't worry if Harrison Ford lives to the end, because OF COURSE he'll survive, but Sam Neill might very well die, cos character actors die in movies like this. In any other big action movie, if Sam Neill was in it, he'd die - definitely. That's part of Jurassic Park's genius.

So despite the film's success, Neill's casting was never meant to propel him into doing more blockbusters, he was (partly) stunt cast because of audience's familiarity as a third banana character player.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Mister Six on November 26, 2021, 11:56:05 PM
Quote from: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on November 26, 2021, 11:16:10 AMBryan Cranston seemed poised for great things after Breaking Bad, but nothing he's done since has really seemed to make a mark.

To be fair, he's mostly just done fairly low-budget character-heavy autobiog pieces and the occasional phoned-in ensemble blockbuster, hasn't he? I don't get the impression he's gunning to be the next Robert Downey Jr.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Ron Maels Moustache on November 27, 2021, 12:12:39 AM
Quote from: Ignatius_S on November 26, 2021, 04:18:17 PMWith regards to picking films roles, these things aren't an exact science, actors are sometimes badly advised or for that matter, their representatives will simply not present them with offers. Additionally, circumstances change - Super Mario Bros. is a classic example; the principal cast all signed on due to the script by Dick Clement and Ian La Frenais but then found out a completely different one was going to be used, which they were stuck with. There are many actors that I wished had been in better films, but there are so many factors at play.

Oh wow, you weren't kidding either. I always thought their role in the production was limited to script-doctoring an existing draft, but they actually did an entire script!

https://www.scribd.com/document/322549770/Dick-Clement-Ian-la-Frenais-Super-Mario-Bros-Transitional-Die-Hard-inspired-pdf

Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Ham Bap on November 27, 2021, 12:22:59 AM
I always wished that Patrick McGoohan was in more films. He's great in everything he's in.
I know he turned down James Bond, did a few good films but apart from The Prisoner probably more well known for Columbo than any movie role he had, maybe apart from Braveheart.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Ron Maels Moustache on November 27, 2021, 01:12:09 AM
Anyway, my nomination for this thread would be Brad Davis. You probably wouldn't even recognise the name now, even though he began his movie career winning a Golden Globe for his part in Midnight Express and was almost cast as the lead in Rambo at one point. He had the looks and intensity of a young Brando, but despite roles in a few high profile films, he spectacularly fucked-up his career with booze and drugs, and although he cleaned up and made something of a comeback, he had tragically contracted HIV during his wild years and died in 1991 aged only 41.

His posthumously-published memoir bluntly laid into Hollywood's hypocritical attitude to actors with AIDS, particularly how the studios would publicly claim to support AIDS and HIV actors, while effectively blacklisting them from working. I've often wondered if the fact that he turned on the industry was what led to him being effectively erased from film history, from Hollywood's point of view it's like he never existed.

https://www.nytimes.com/1997/04/16/garden/for-the-widow-of-brad-davis-time-cannot-heal-all-the-wounds.html
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Ron Maels Moustache on November 27, 2021, 01:31:15 AM
Quote from: Ham Bap on November 27, 2021, 12:22:59 AMI always wished that Patrick McGoohan was in more films. He's great in everything he's in.
I know he turned down James Bond, did a few good films but apart from The Prisoner probably more well known for Columbo than any movie role he had, maybe apart from Braveheart.

I think maybe McGoohan's staunchly Catholic beliefs may've limited the roles he'd accept - he flatly refused parts with love scenes which would definitely have ruled out Bond. Plus he was pretty much hounded from the UK by angry mobs of disgruntled viewers(possibly an exaggeration) after the finale of The Prisoner, which led him to mostly doing character actor parts in US TV shows like many other ex-pat Brit actors.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: mothman on November 27, 2021, 01:43:19 AM
Sam Neill had been slowly up & coming since the 70s. By the early 80s he was being given the lead in Omen 3, and then screen-tested for Bond but lost to Dalton (apparently this still rankles so don't bring it up if you ever meet him). By the end of the 80s the best he could do was playing Sean Connery's Friend Who Dies in The Hunt For Red October. So getting cast in Jurassic Park was more of a career renaissance than his big break.

Seems to be a nice bloke, his social media is a hoot and his early 90s documentary about NZ films, Cinema Of Unease, is a must-watch. Just don't mention Bond!

https://youtu.be/5V15wNflslc
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: George White on November 27, 2021, 09:35:48 AM
Quote from: bgmnts on November 26, 2021, 10:44:23 PMI'm going to go and say Sam Neill purely on the basis he was rocketed to the moon by being given the lead in probably one of the biggest blockbusters of all time, being outshone in that film by Goldblum and then not doing much of note after, to my recollection (Event Horizon is great).

But Goldblum went on to star in one of the othee biggest blockbusters of all time a few years later and become embedded in our cultural consciousness.
I get the impression that Neill never really wanted to be a STAR.  He's not a very Hollywood guy anyway, what with his farm and his wine.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: George White on November 27, 2021, 09:38:29 AM
Quote from: Ron Maels Moustache on November 27, 2021, 01:12:09 AMAnyway, my nomination for this thread would be Brad Davis. You probably wouldn't even recognise the name now, even though he began his movie career winning a Golden Globe for his part in Midnight Express and was almost cast as the lead in Rambo at one point. He had the looks and intensity of a young Brando, but despite roles in a few high profile films, he spectacularly fucked-up his career with booze and drugs, and although he cleaned up and made something of a comeback, he had tragically contracted HIV during his wild years and died in 1991 aged only 41.

His posthumously-published memoir bluntly laid into Hollywood's hypocritical attitude to actors with AIDS, particularly how the studios would publicly claim to support AIDS and HIV actors, while effectively blacklisting them from working. I've often wondered if the fact that he turned on the industry was what led to him being effectively erased from film history, from Hollywood's point of view it's like he never existed.

https://www.nytimes.com/1997/04/16/garden/for-the-widow-of-brad-davis-time-cannot-heal-all-the-wounds.html
Was just watching him in Blood Ties, one of those 80s Italian miniseries that were often full, like so many Italian productions of "Never-weres" who had come to Italy to cash in on the promise they once had.

It's the sort of thing that House of GUcci desperately reminded me of.  He also did IIRC a low-rent actioner called QUiet Cool starring Adam Ant and Sharon Stone.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: dead-ced-dead on November 27, 2021, 10:10:39 AM
Quote from: George White on November 27, 2021, 09:35:48 AMI get the impression that Neill never really wanted to be a STAR.  He's not a very Hollywood guy anyway, what with his farm and his wine.

Same, and as stated upthread, his casting in Jurassic Park was meant to be somewhat ironic. There was a trend in some 90s films to cast actors against type in action films to subvert expectations (think Keanu Reeves - prior to Speed and The Matrix - in Point Break or Nicolas Cage - prior to Face/Off and Con Air - in The Rock).
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Inspector Norse on November 27, 2021, 02:50:06 PM
Neill was also 46 when Jurassic Park came out - too late for a real bid for stardom.

And Goldblum was hardly an unknown: he'd had hits in the '80s and was only recently divorced from an Oscar-winning box office star.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Brundle-Fly on November 27, 2021, 04:12:44 PM
Lenny Henry had a stab at Hollywood with True Identity in 1991. He was back home the same year and making the far superior Bernard And The Genie. Sometimes it's better to be a big fish in the pond (or back then, virtually the only fish in the pond, Rudolph Walker non withstanding).
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: George White on November 27, 2021, 05:22:21 PM
Same year Rik Mayall and Mel Smith attempted Hollywood (the latter as part of a nouveau Marx Bros with John Turturro and BOb nelson in Brain DOnors)
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Famous Mortimer on November 27, 2021, 05:42:30 PM
The B-movie world is littered with people like this, who spent their time with one director or one genre and never really broke out, despite having talent in spades. There were a couple of David A Prior's stock company who could have / should have been working for bigger budgets in bigger / better movies - William Zipp and Fritz Matthews stick out.

And, of course, there are legions of women who probably had miserable experiences on movie sets with sleazy men and decided to get out of the business, or were blackballed for refusing to play the game.

My proper nomination for this thread, though, is Steve James.

(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BN2IyZDJjOWItZDE0Ni00ZGY1LThlMjItMmJmZDZiYmY5ZmQzXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyMTc3MjY3NTY@._V1_.jpg)

He's best known for being the sidekick in the first three American Ninja movies, but he was also in the two C.A.T. Squad movies, and a lot of other things. His IMDB profile even says "Steve James was often cast in action movies as the hero's sidekick, despite usually being a better actor and fighter than the star." Cannon Films had an explicit policy of not having black leads in their movies, and they probably weren't the only ones, and it's a terrible shame that James was denied work, died young, and his one starring role was kind of bad.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: mothman on November 27, 2021, 06:08:29 PM
At one point - it was certainly true in the nineties - there was always that one actress who was absolutely, definitely going to be the next big thing, take her place in those lofty heights with Julia Roberts and Meg Ryan etc.

Julia Ormond. Then Claire Forlani. Then Gretchen Mol. Then Miranda Otto. Alicia Silverstone was in there somewhere. Liv Tyler too. And Linda Fiorentino.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: SweetPomPom on November 27, 2021, 06:52:07 PM
Last few things I've seen Liv Tyler in she's barely been a cameo with hardly any lines. That's got to be choices rather than all she's being offered.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Bad Ambassador on November 27, 2021, 07:00:48 PM
Quote from: SweetPomPom on November 27, 2021, 06:52:07 PMLast few things I've seen Liv Tyler in she's barely been a cameo with hardly any lines. That's got to be choices rather than all she's being offered.

She's moved into TV in the last few years, starring in The Leftovers, Gunpowder, Harlots and procedural 911: Lone Star.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Brundle-Fly on November 27, 2021, 07:05:25 PM
Often female actors stymie their careers for having the temerity to bear children. It's always interesting to look at the telling gaps on IMBD. 

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Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Bad Ambassador on November 27, 2021, 10:45:25 PM
Linda Fiorentino acquired a reputation for being "difficult", coincidentally around the time she starred in the Weinstein-produced Dogma. Since then she made three films in 2000, one in 2002 and one in 2009.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: McChesney Duntz on November 27, 2021, 10:49:54 PM
Speaking of difficult actresses, whither Kim Greist? A handful of high-visibility roles (Throw Mama From The Train, Manhunter, Brazil), and no one involved with any of them seems to have a single good word to say about her, with the inevitable results...
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: clingfilm portent on November 27, 2021, 11:35:15 PM
Quote from: Bad Ambassador on November 27, 2021, 10:45:25 PMLinda Fiorentino acquired a reputation for being "difficult", coincidentally around the time she starred in the Weinstein-produced Dogma. Since then she made three films in 2000, one in 2002 and one in 2009.

Similarly, Uma Thurman's career got very quiet after the Weinstein-produced Kill Bill. Worth reading about.

Also, wasn't Sean Young's career scuppered after she turned down sleazeball Charlie Sheen?
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: SweetPomPom on November 28, 2021, 07:23:04 AM
Quote from: clingfilm portent on November 27, 2021, 11:35:15 PMAlso, wasn't Sean Young's career scuppered after she turned down sleazeball Charlie Sheen?

I thought blowing the Vicki Vale role in Batman and falling out with Burton followed by the Catwoman stunt was her career-killer?
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: phantom_power on November 28, 2021, 09:07:27 AM
Quote from: Bad Ambassador on November 27, 2021, 10:45:25 PMLinda Fiorentino acquired a reputation for being "difficult", coincidentally around the time she starred in the Weinstein-produced Dogma. Since then she made three films in 2000, one in 2002 and one in 2009.

She fell out with Kevin Smith big time during the making of that film, but that doesn't preclude the Weinstein effect also happening
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: mothman on November 28, 2021, 12:09:36 PM
I don't know what's more striking, how many actresses somehow get this reputation for being "difficult" - often after appearing in (or being considered for) a Miramax production; or that said "reputation" only becomes common knowledge years after the fact, post #MeToo. Though some of the more egregious examples (Ms. Young) were it seems mostly self-inflicted.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: phantom_power on November 28, 2021, 12:22:40 PM
Yeah, women who speak out in the slightest are "difficult" and yet Jared Leto and Christian Bale etc get to carry on as they please because they are artists
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Custard on November 28, 2021, 12:31:31 PM
Quote from: thecuriousorange on November 26, 2021, 12:30:03 PMSam Worthington was handed a golden ticket with a starring role in Avatar, but was seen in very little else in the decade that followed. At least nothing anywhere near that scale. His generation's Michael Biehn?

Good nomination. Though what with there being 17 Avatar sequels coming over the next two decades, I guess he'll get another shot
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Custard on November 28, 2021, 12:37:13 PM
Quote from: Brundle-Fly on November 26, 2021, 09:16:48 PMThora Birch's career going down the toilet was rather sad. I know she was never going to compete with her Ghost World (2001) co-star in the glamour stakes but Birch deserved so much more after her nuanced portrayal of Enid from said movie. I was so pleased to see her turn up in The Walking Dead recently(ish).

Apparently that was due to her pushy dad, who everyone in Hollywood hated with a passion. He absolutely sunk her career

EDIT - As icehaven has already said. Sorry, commenting as I'm reading!
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: dead-ced-dead on November 28, 2021, 12:44:40 PM
Quote from: Custard on November 28, 2021, 12:31:31 PMGood nomination. Though what with there being 17 Avatar sequels coming over the next two decades, I guess he'll get another shot

Tom Hardy could have been a good example had he not got a second shot. He was a hotly tipped new star in the early 2000s but the drugs and fighting ruined that and he was sent packing back to England with his tail between his legs.

Jump to 2008 and Bronson becomes an unexpected international festival hit and he's given a second shot at Hollywood that he doesn't fuck up.

This almost never happens - usually Hollywood gives you one shot and you're done - so he must be thanking every day.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: The Culture Bunker on November 28, 2021, 12:53:17 PM
Quote from: dead-ced-dead on November 28, 2021, 12:44:40 PMThis almost never happens - usually Hollywood gives you one shot and you're done - so he must be thanking every day.
Robert Downey Jr being another example, perhaps even more so, given he spent time locked up due to his drug issues. 
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Brundle-Fly on November 28, 2021, 01:26:28 PM
Wynona Ryder was also given a second reprieve. TV is good like that.

Also,  how long has the actor, Brian Cox waited to finally become a proper household name?
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: checkoutgirl on November 28, 2021, 01:40:01 PM
Taylor Lautner had those Twilight films to launch his career but hasn't done any telly or films since 2016. They were shite but they made billions so a great way to get an A list career going.

Maybe he's just a terrible actor or maybe he just retired in his twenties, safe in the knowledge his bank account has an 8 figure number in it.

Loads of actors have enough money to retire but carry on into their eighties and beyond. But some just think fuck this for a game of soldiers. People like Rick Moranis or Mike Myers probably could still get a few decent gigs but can't be arsed.

You have to admire the Last of the Summer Wine cast. How are they able to still get out of bed and get to set at their age? I'm in my forties and can barely be arsed. Michael Caine's bones are half dust and he's only retiring now after 50 years of making films. Mad.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: George White on November 28, 2021, 02:48:39 PM
Quote from: Brundle-Fly on November 28, 2021, 01:26:28 PMWynona Ryder was also given a second reprieve. TV is good like that.

Also,  how long has the actor, Brian Cox waited to finally become a proper household name?
About 50 years.
He was the lead in the Year of the Sex Olympics in 1968. He had a few lead roles in UK TV in the 70s, the Master of Ballentrae and The Devil's Crown, which was the initial attempt by the BBC to do another I, Claudius that ended up being a CSO campfest.
Even Manhunter, he went back to the UK and did a lot of UK TV, some lead roles in presitge serials but also jobbing parts in Sean's Show and Perfect Scoundrels with Peter Bowles, and was also Andrew Neil in a US TVM (where they make no effort to make him look like Brillo). I havea theory that it's not coincidence Cox's rise coincides with Connery's later years.
Though he was given an Empire Icon in 2006. Which you'd think would have cemented it.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: ElTwopo on November 28, 2021, 09:51:43 PM
Quote from: mothman on November 27, 2021, 06:08:29 PMAt one point - it was certainly true in the nineties - there was always that one actress who was absolutely, definitely going to be the next big thing, take her place in those lofty heights with Julia Roberts and Meg Ryan etc.

Julia Ormond. Then Claire Forlani. Then Gretchen Mol. Then Miranda Otto. Alicia Silverstone was in there somewhere. Liv Tyler too. And Linda Fiorentino.

Also Rebecca De Mornay and Bridget Fonda were pretty big in the early/mid nineties. Maybe I've not been paying attention, but I can't remember seeing them in the last 20 years or so.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: George White on November 28, 2021, 10:25:02 PM
Fonda retired to raise family.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Famous Mortimer on November 28, 2021, 11:04:48 PM
Quote from: George White on November 28, 2021, 10:25:02 PMFonda retired to raise family.
I'll take "things no male actor has done, ever" for 200, Alex
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Ron Maels Moustache on November 28, 2021, 11:05:31 PM
Quote from: Brundle-Fly on November 28, 2021, 01:26:28 PMAlso,  how long has the actor, Brian Cox waited to finally become a proper household name?

He surely does fine as a character actor, he's rarely been out of work in forty odd years and can clearly pick and choose his roles, in blockbusters, smaller indie films or TV. Most people of a certain age will recognise him from X-Men 2 if nothing else.

Not every actor necessarily wants or needs mega-stardom.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: The Culture Bunker on November 28, 2021, 11:15:34 PM
Quote from: Ron Maels Moustache on November 28, 2021, 11:05:31 PMHe surely does fine as a character actor, he's rarely been out of work in forty odd years and can clearly pick and choose his roles, in blockbusters, smaller indie films or TV. Most people of a certain age will recognise him from X-Men 2 if nothing else.

Not every actor necessarily wants or needs mega-stardom.
I think for me, the first time I would have seen Cox would have been as Major Hogan in the first couple of Sharpe TV films, and he's been more-or-less someone I've been constantly aware of since. I'd say that's a pretty good run for any actor, and it does seem he's now enjoying some high-profile success with this 'Succession' TV show.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: mothman on November 29, 2021, 12:14:18 AM
I seem to have been mostly oblivious to his career prior to Manhunter - and even after that I can't recall him in anything else until The Long Kiss Goodnight.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: AnOrdinaryBoy on November 29, 2021, 12:47:18 AM
Quote from: Famous Mortimer on November 28, 2021, 11:04:48 PMI'll take "things no male actor has done, ever" for 200, Alex

Rick Moranis did, though admittedly his wife dying had a part to play in that choice. So it's not really the same thing at all. Carry on.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: thecuriousorange on November 29, 2021, 01:12:45 AM
Although I was never a big fan, I used to assume that Julia Stiles would go on to do more serious awardsy drama stuff, after graduating from High School fare. I also thought Matthew Lillard was surely the next Jim Carrey.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Bad Ambassador on November 29, 2021, 08:48:29 AM
Quote from: ElTwopo on November 28, 2021, 09:51:43 PMAlso Rebecca De Mornay and Bridget Fonda were pretty big in the early/mid nineties. Maybe I've not been paying attention, but I can't remember seeing them in the last 20 years or so.

DeMorney's done a few films, but no major roles. A fair amount of TV, most prominently Marvel's Jessica Jones, where she plays the main character's ex-child star foster sister's pushy mum. It's a bigger role than it sounds.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: dead-ced-dead on November 29, 2021, 08:51:27 AM
Quote from: thecuriousorange on November 29, 2021, 01:12:45 AMAlthough I was never a big fan, I used to assume that Julia Stiles would go on to do more serious awardsy drama stuff, after graduating from High School fare. I also thought Matthew Lillard was surely the next Jim Carrey.

I go back and watch 10 Things I Hate About You fairly regularly and it's a shame that her career stalled after the Bourne movies, because she's really terrific in that movie, and has a fun, playful chemistry with Heath Ledger.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Cerys on November 29, 2021, 09:47:11 AM
Quote from: Famous Mortimer on November 28, 2021, 11:04:48 PMI'll take "things no male actor has done, ever" for 200, Alex

Rick Moranis.

Edit - should have read a bit further before commenting.  As you were.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on November 29, 2021, 10:08:38 AM
Quote from: AnOrdinaryBoy on November 29, 2021, 12:47:18 AMRick Moranis did, though admittedly his wife dying had a part to play in that choice. So it's not really the same thing at all. Carry on.

Eh, I think Moranis deserves kudos for doing so, many others would have just hired nanny's or remarried and carried on as before.

Cary Grant also supposedly retired to bring up a child, but he was 62 at the time, and increasingly disillusioned with Hollywood. I'm sure that there's a couple of others too, but Famous Mortimer's point largely stands and it's hard to think of any.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: mothman on November 29, 2021, 10:22:16 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2021/nov/29/i-owe-an-enormous-debt-to-therapy-rita-moreno-on-west-side-story-dating-brando-and-joy-at-90

A great article. Rita Moreno IS undoubtedly a movie star - but as the article explains, also not - not like the "actual" movie stars of the time.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: George White on November 29, 2021, 10:28:33 AM
Quote from: Famous Mortimer on November 28, 2021, 11:04:48 PMI'll take "things no male actor has done, ever" for 200, Alex
Oh, someone's already said Moranis.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: George White on November 29, 2021, 10:33:31 AM
Quote from: mothman on November 29, 2021, 10:22:16 AMhttps://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2021/nov/29/i-owe-an-enormous-debt-to-therapy-rita-moreno-on-west-side-story-dating-brando-and-joy-at-90

A great article. Rita Moreno IS undoubtedly a movie star - but as the article explains, also not - not like the "actual" movie stars of the time.
Yes, she was also sorta the US Floella Benjamin, thanks to the Electric Company.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: dead-ced-dead on November 29, 2021, 10:42:23 AM
I'm going to start fining people £5 if they mention Rick Moranis.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Huxleys Babkins on November 29, 2021, 12:31:17 PM
Mick McManus.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: George White on November 29, 2021, 12:56:23 PM
Reminded by Kevin McNally's appearance in Doctor Who that he once had the lead in  a Cannon film - Liliana Cavani's Berlin Affair.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Brundle-Fly on November 29, 2021, 01:09:10 PM
Quote from: Ron Maels Moustache on November 28, 2021, 11:05:31 PMHe surely does fine as a character actor, he's rarely been out of work in forty odd years and can clearly pick and choose his roles, in blockbusters, smaller indie films or TV. Most people of a certain age will recognise him from X-Men 2 if nothing else.

Not every actor necessarily wants or needs mega-stardom.

Oh, I know that. Success(ion) isn't about fame but I bet he is glad to be universally acknowleged now. Cox has had a fantastic career but for some reason never seemed to be mentioned in the same breath as Caine, Hopkins, Gambon, Dench, Mirren, McKellen, Irons etc.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Brundle-Fly on November 29, 2021, 01:17:21 PM
Quote from: Brundle-Fly on November 28, 2021, 01:26:28 PMWynona Ryder was also given a second reprieve. TV is good like that.

'reprieve' not 'second reprieve' unless she was arrested for jay walking between Stranger Things S2 and Stranger Things S3.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: lipsink on November 29, 2021, 01:34:45 PM
What about Christina Ricci? She had a great run as a child star: The Addams Family, Mermaids, Addams Family Values, Casper. Then went into indie movies like The Ice Storm, The Opposite of Sex, Buffalo 66. Then Sleepy Hollow, Monster and Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. Seemed like her career was really building momentum and then just...nothing. I'd imagine she's probably been accused of being "difficult" too.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Brundle-Fly on November 29, 2021, 01:44:09 PM
Quote from: lipsink on November 29, 2021, 01:34:45 PMWhat about Christina Ricci? She had a great run as a child star: The Addams Family, Mermaids, Addams Family Values, Casper. Then went into indie movies like The Ice Storm, The Opposite of Sex, Buffalo 66. Then Sleepy Hollow, Monster and Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. Seemed like her career was really building momentum and then just...nothing. I'd imagine she's probably been accused of being "difficult" too.


She's had two children and is an activist, some money in the bank so maybe took her foot off the pedal for awhile. We have to remember these people do have lives outside their careers. She's doing the new Matrix movie according to her IMDB page.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: dead-ced-dead on November 29, 2021, 02:30:31 PM
I bet you'd all appreciate the movie Vivarium. It's about a young couple who move into a modern home in an estate full of identical houses and find that they can't escape. One day a baby arrives on their doorstep, and it's the kind of identikit baby you imagine all parents in the late twenties/early thirties are saddled with.

Terrifying stuff.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Brundle-Fly on November 29, 2021, 02:34:34 PM
Have you posted in the wrong thread, dead-ced-dead?
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: dead-ced-dead on November 29, 2021, 02:49:42 PM
Quote from: Brundle-Fly on November 29, 2021, 02:34:34 PMHave you posted in the wrong thread, dead-ced-dead?

... Yes
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Jerzy Bondov on November 29, 2021, 03:02:38 PM
Quote from: Famous Mortimer on November 28, 2021, 11:04:48 PMI'll take "things no male actor has done, ever" for 200, Alex
Rick Moranis Freddie Prinze Jnr
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on November 29, 2021, 03:21:38 PM
Roger Livesey gave a brilliant lead performance in The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp, but (as far as I can be bothered to check) never became a big name.

Quote from: dead-ced-dead on November 29, 2021, 02:30:31 PMI bet you'd all appreciate the movie Vivarium. It's about a young couple who move into a modern home in an estate full of identical houses and find that they can't escape. One day a baby arrives on their doorstep, and it's the kind of identikit baby you imagine all parents in the late twenties/early thirties are saddled with.
And that baby's name was... James Badge Dale.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Famous Mortimer on November 29, 2021, 04:04:10 PM
Quote from: Jerzy Bondov on November 29, 2021, 03:02:38 PMRick Moranis Freddie Prinze Jnr
I'll take it. While pondering this thread, I happened upon "Boys and Girls", starring Prinze Jr, Jason Biggs and Claire Forlani, the trifecta of early 00s examples of this thread.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: thecuriousorange on November 29, 2021, 05:48:34 PM
But those people aren't Movie Stars That Never Were. They Were, but no longer Are.

And I humbly offer Mandy Moore as my own nomination.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Famous Mortimer on November 29, 2021, 06:16:40 PM
Who starred in as many movies as Claire Forlani, I'd wager.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Ignatius_S on November 29, 2021, 09:49:51 PM
Two for the price of one - F. Murray Abraham and Tom Hulce, hailed for their performances in Amadeus, didn't have the run of big roles or the career bounce that was expected.

I had read that Hulce said that casting directors so associated him with the Mozart role that it hampered his chances when going up for other roles. IIRC, there was a successful play he starred in, which they then did a film of but decided to go with someone else, which tied into that. That said, from what I've read, Hulce is quite a private person and doesn't enjoy publicity, so not the person likely to crave stardom. In any case, he much prefers directing for a good while.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Ignatius_S on November 29, 2021, 10:03:12 PM
Quote from: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on November 29, 2021, 03:21:38 PMRoger Livesey gave a brilliant lead performance in The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp, but (as far as I can be bothered to check) never became a big name...

Livesey was arguably more of a character actor (or character star, as I've seen him refer to) and chiefly a stage actor - however, he was in a quite a few films, sometimes support, sometimes the lead. In the former, one of my favourite roles he did was in The League of Gentlemen film, where former military officers stage a bank robbery - it's fantastic if you haven't seen it.

These days, I guess he's best known for the three Powell and Pressburger films that he did but some of his other work should be better remembered. He was the lead in Vice Versa, directed by Peter Ustinov, a comedy where a father and son swap bodies - he's brilliant (surprise, surprise) and I suspect one of the earliest he was in.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Ignatius_S on November 29, 2021, 10:08:27 PM
Quote from: lipsink on November 29, 2021, 01:34:45 PMWhat about Christina Ricci? She had a great run as a child star: The Addams Family, Mermaids, Addams Family Values, Casper. Then went into indie movies like The Ice Storm, The Opposite of Sex, Buffalo 66. Then Sleepy Hollow, Monster and Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. Seemed like her career was really building momentum and then just...nothing. I'd imagine she's probably been accused of being "difficult" too.


Nah. Firstly, a lot of child stars don't go onto having successful adult careers - sometimes they don't want to, but a lot of times, they can't make that transition for one reason or another. It's much rarer for a child star to be an adult star than not.

Secondly, Ricci has been in a fair bit of stuff and has been doing well. I haven't seen the Lizzie Borden work she did, but a friend keeps badgering me to watch it - did rather well and she won rave reviews.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Ignatius_S on November 29, 2021, 10:18:01 PM
Quote from: Brundle-Fly on November 28, 2021, 01:26:28 PMAlso,  how long has the actor, Brian Cox waited to finally become a proper household name?

In a lot of interviews recently, Cox has said that when he was a young actor, people kept saying that he was in for 'the long haul' - which essentially meant that it would take a long time for him to have any success. However, as he says, he hasn't done too badly! From the various stuff I've read about him, he strikes me as someone who loves acting and working but isn't so bothered about stardom. In one recent interview, Cox says he's no longer anonymous when he's public and read to me that he has mixed feelings about this - although sounds like the person that has no issue with a fan going up to him to say hello (or ask him to tell them to fuck off).

IIRC, I think he was disappointed when his and Gary Oldman's Churchill films came out and the latter got much more attention, but feels more like he felt Churchill was the better film, rather than him wanting to win an award or get validation.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Noodle Lizard on November 29, 2021, 11:17:21 PM
Quote from: Famous Mortimer on November 28, 2021, 11:04:48 PMI'll take "things no male actor has done, ever" for 200, Alex

If I remember correctly, James Stewart semi-retired from a hugely successful acting career because his dad said it was for woofters and would rather he work for the family business.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Noodle Lizard on November 29, 2021, 11:29:29 PM
Quote from: Brundle-Fly on November 29, 2021, 01:44:09 PMShe's doing the new Matrix movie according to her IMDB page.

Speaking of, Carrie-Anne Moss might be a good pick for this thread. Between The Matrix and Memento in quick succession, you'd think she would've been in incredibly high demand, but I don't think she really did much else. Same exact thing goes for Joe Pantoliano, come to think of it.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Bad Ambassador on November 30, 2021, 08:43:53 AM
Funnily enough, she also had a major regular role in Jessica Jones as well as a bunch of other regular TV parts.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: dead-ced-dead on November 30, 2021, 08:52:58 AM
Quote from: Noodle Lizard on November 29, 2021, 11:29:29 PMSpeaking of, Carrie-Anne Moss might be a good pick for this thread. Between The Matrix and Memento in quick succession, you'd think she would've been in incredibly high demand, but I don't think she really did much else. Same exact thing goes for Joe Pantoliano, come to think of it.

The shame with Joe Pantoliano was that he was a character actor type, so you'd think he'd be able to get decades out of playing assholes cops/journalists/gangsters, etc. And he did throughout the late 90s-early 2000s and then he stopped.

I remember when watching Chocolat that Carrie-Anne's name wasn't included with the main cast above the title on the poster. Surely being in The Matrix had earned her a credit.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: dead-ced-dead on November 30, 2021, 08:55:12 AM
I'm drifting from my own OT topic of "Movie stars that never were" to "Character actors that never were," but what the hell happened to Mike Starr?

He was every Italian thug/enforcer during the early-mid 90s, then he disappeared until and admittedly good guest spot in The Office only to disappear again.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: dissolute ocelot on November 30, 2021, 10:17:10 AM
Quote from: Ignatius_S on November 29, 2021, 09:49:51 PMTwo for the price of one - F. Murray Abraham and Tom Hulce, hailed for their performances in Amadeus, didn't have the run of big roles or the career bounce that was expected.

I had read that Hulce said that casting directors so associated him with the Mozart role that it hampered his chances when going up for other roles. IIRC, there was a successful play he starred in, which they then did a film of but decided to go with someone else, which tied into that. That said, from what I've read, Hulce is quite a private person and doesn't enjoy publicity, so not the person likely to crave stardom. In any case, he much prefers directing for a good while.
F Murray Abraham was more of a theatre actor, although he popped up in lots of small film roles before his 2000s return with Homeland and Wes Anderson.

Hulce seemed to retire from acting in the 1990s although since then he's produced a lot of theatre and piled up the Tony awards, as well as a bit of stage acting. He didn't have a great deal of luck with his post-Amadeus acting: he starred in Dominick and Eugene which was released the same time as Rain Man about 2 brothers, one of whom is intellectually disabled; did other films which might have been good but are now totally forgotten like Andrei Konchalovsky's The Inner Circle; and Disney voice acting.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: George White on November 30, 2021, 11:23:43 AM
It's weird but I know Mike Starr best from his appearance in the 1981 film the Bushido Blade, a shogun/samurai film starring Toshiro Mifune, Sonny Chiba, Richard Boone, Laura Gemser, James Earl Jones, Mako, and Tetsuro Tanba - coproduced by Rankin/Bass and Yorkshire/Tyne Tees (which may explain why it has a minstrel show).

Really...
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: mothman on November 30, 2021, 01:06:44 PM
I always feel like Laura Linney should have been bigger than she was. OK she's basically a character actor with a TV lead (The Big C) under her belt. But it always feels weird to me to see her in, say, Dave playing "woman who the president's shagging when he has his stroke" given by the time I'd seen it I'd already watched Tales Of The City.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Custard on November 30, 2021, 05:18:36 PM
Quote from: Famous Mortimer on November 28, 2021, 11:04:48 PMI'll take "things no male actor has done, ever" for 200, Alex

I think Matthew Fox from Lost did that. Though apparently he's coming back, as he's the lead in a new TV series
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Famous Mortimer on November 30, 2021, 08:48:22 PM
I thought Matthew Fox took some time off due to repeated accusations of him beating women? But think of it as a generalisation which illustrates a point, rather than something to be disproved.

Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Keebleman on November 30, 2021, 11:41:17 PM
Quote from: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on November 29, 2021, 03:21:38 PMRoger Livesey gave a brilliant lead performance in The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp, but (as far as I can be bothered to check) never became a big name.

And even in Colonel Blimp he is billed third!!
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: George White on December 01, 2021, 09:55:01 AM
Apparently, he was first choice for Brief Encounter
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: lipsink on December 01, 2021, 10:51:38 AM
I always expected Juno Temple to become a big star after her role in 'Killer Joe'. I wondered what happened to her but I see she's now in Ted Lasso so maybe her career's doing alright.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Bad Ambassador on December 02, 2021, 12:02:23 AM
Alison Lohmann was another name that seemed poised for big things after having the lead role in Drag Me to Hell.

Turns out she got married to one of the directors of the Crank films just afterwards and retired to raise a family,  except for cameos in her husband's films.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: thecuriousorange on December 02, 2021, 12:05:01 AM
Aki Ross was expected to be the first photorealistic computer-generated "actress" to appear in multiple movies in different roles.

"She" initially appeared in 2001's Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within, but when that flopped her career never recovered, with The Animatrix being her only other screen credit.

She did appear on the cover of Maxim magazine, which also ranked her #87 in it's Top 100 Hottest Women of 2001 list.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Keebleman on December 02, 2021, 01:02:32 AM
Bekim Fehmiu of The Adventurers, Toralv Maurstad of Song of Norway, both of them foreigners in Hollywood flops.  No second chance permitted.

Going even further back, there was the 'Man of Mystery' (that was how he was billed on the posters), Turhan Bey.  But whether Universal genuinely regarded him as star material even of the Lugosi and Chaney Jr level is open to question.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Ron Maels Moustache on December 02, 2021, 09:07:50 AM
Quote from: dissolute ocelot on November 30, 2021, 10:17:10 AMF Murray Abraham was more of a theatre actor, although he popped up in lots of small film roles before his 2000s return with Homeland and Wes Anderson.


Speaking of Homeland (which apparently was still going up till last year! Who knew?), Murray's co-star on that Mandy Patinkin never really ascended to huge stardom following his breakout role in The Princess Bride, but again I think he might be another actor who does their best work on stage. He's certainly not done a huge deal of note outside of Homeland film or TV wise.

Speaking of The Princess Bride, Cary Elwes is an actor who seemed primed for hugeness but then it didn't really happen. He's worked steadily but mainly guest spots and supporting roles.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: dissolute ocelot on December 02, 2021, 09:21:20 AM
Speaking of Juno Temple, I just had a look at the BAFTA Rising Star Award (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAFTA_Rising_Star_Award) which has a fairly decent record at picking people who're still working. First few years: James MacAvoy, Eva Green, Shia LaBeouf, Noel Clarke (his own fault he's now less than popular), Kristen Stewart, Tom Hardy.

But then, Adam Deacon? He was in Kidulthood and sequels, but now seems trapped in low-budget British movies like The Bromley Boys and The Intent 2: The Come Up and a 2021 appearance on Doctors. Will Poulter progressed from Narnia to stuff like Maze Runner and a small role in Midsommar, but definitely isn't Tom Hardy or even Daniel Poulter. Jack O'Connell from Skins and This Is England likewise.

After that, John Boyega, Tom Holland, Daniel Kaluuya, and all is right in the world.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: phantom_power on December 02, 2021, 09:31:51 AM
Deacon seems to have had a few problems, some of them related to known bad dude Noel Clarke:

"In July 2015, he was found guilty of harassment without violence at West London Magistrates' Court, having had a highly publicised feud with Noel Clarke with accusations of Clarke bullying him and sabotaging Deacon's career, which Clarke stated was not true. On 20 July, Deacon was found guilty.[8] The court, which heard that Deacon had been diagnosed with bipolar disorder and had been self-medicating using skunk cannabis, banned Deacon from contacting Clarke again.[9]

On 7 April 2016, he was arrested after police were called to reports of a man reportedly armed with a machete style knife and threatening members of the public in London.[10] He was unable to attend a hearing in March due to being "in hospital for treatment for underlying mental health issues". On 7 April, a jury delivered two not-guilty verdicts for affray and possessing an offensive weapon accepting Deacon was mentally ill and not criminally responsible for his actions"
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Bad Ambassador on December 02, 2021, 10:01:35 AM
Quote from: dissolute ocelot on December 02, 2021, 09:21:20 AMBut then, Adam Deacon? He was in Kidulthood and sequels, but now seems trapped in low-budget British movies like The Bromley Boys and The Intent 2: The Come Up and a 2021 appearance on Doctors. Will Poulter progressed from Narnia to stuff like Maze Runner and a small role in Midsommar, but definitely isn't Tom Hardy or even Daniel Poulter. Jack O'Connell from Skins and This Is England likewise.

Adam Deacon seems to have had some severe mental health and drug issues, combined with allegations that Noel Clarke was harassing him, so he's struggled quite a bit.

Will Poulter's been cast in a major role in Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 3.

Jack O'Connell has only made minor films since his breakthrough in... Unbroken, and seems to be moving back to being an ensemble player in television.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: George White on December 02, 2021, 10:04:24 AM
Quote from: Ron Maels Moustache on December 02, 2021, 09:07:50 AMSpeaking of Homeland (which apparently was still going up till last year! Who knew?), Murray's co-star on that Mandy Patinkin never really ascended to huge stardom following his breakout role in The Princess Bride, but again I think he might be another actor who does their best work on stage. He's certainly not done a huge deal of note outside of Homeland film or TV wise.

Speaking of The Princess Bride, Cary Elwes is an actor who seemed primed for hugeness but then it didn't really happen. He's worked steadily but mainly guest spots and supporting roles.
Elwes has said that he never wanted stardom. He just wanted to be a hardworking, jobbing character actor who'd do lots of episodic TV, but that it turned out he was handsome and charismatic enough to be a leading man, so he rode that wave for as long as it could carry.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: dead-ced-dead on December 02, 2021, 10:07:16 AM
Quote from: Ron Maels Moustache on December 02, 2021, 09:07:50 AMSpeaking of Homeland (which apparently was still going up till last year! Who knew?), Murray's co-star on that Mandy Patinkin never really ascended to huge stardom following his breakout role in The Princess Bride, but again I think he might be another actor who does their best work on stage. He's certainly not done a huge deal of note outside of Homeland film or TV wise.

Speaking of The Princess Bride, Cary Elwes is an actor who seemed primed for hugeness but then it didn't really happen. He's worked steadily but mainly guest spots and supporting roles.

Elwes is an odd case, because despite how handsome and Errol Flynn-like he is, the style of acting he prefers isn't very leading man friendly. He seems to find it far more enjoyable to be a weird character player.

Similar to Juno Temple in that way, he's just too talented and funny and goofy to be trapped in leading parts.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: George White on December 02, 2021, 10:17:46 AM
Quote from: Keebleman on December 02, 2021, 01:02:32 AMBekim Fehmiu of The Adventurers, Toralv Maurstad of Song of Norway, both of them foreigners in Hollywood flops.  No second chance permitted.

Going even further back, there was the 'Man of Mystery' (that was how he was billed on the posters), Turhan Bey.  But whether Universal genuinely regarded him as star material even of the Lugosi and Chaney Jr level is open to question.
Bey was a star of 'exotica pictures', but like Sabu, he was forced to play second fiddle to Jon Hall and Universal's big star of the era, the now almost-forgotten Maria Montez.
He quit Hollywood in the 50s, moved back to Austria and then returned to Hollywood in the 90s, popping up in Babylon 5.

Fehmiu did mainly work in Italy. Even the Adventurers was a Cinecitta production. His one other Hollywood-adjacent production was a Dino De Laurentiis-produced, Burt Kennedy directed spaghetti western, the Deserter costarring John Huston, Richard Crenna, Ricardo Montalban, Ian Bannen, Slim Pickens, Woody Strode, Pat Wayne...

RE:actors who were leads in big 70s massive Hollywood productions and then never touched Hollywood again, Nicholas and Alexandra. Meant to launch Janet Suzman, Michael Jayston and Tom Baker.
Suzman got an Oscar nom, Baker two Golden Glove noms, and Jayston and Baker longlisted for consideration in the Academy Awards, but while Suzman had a big stage career, and Tom did a few horrors, then went to the building site before the TARDIS came calling, Jayston did a few major support gigs in Alice's Adventures in Wonderland, but focused mainly on telly and stage, ultimately perhaps becoming more remembered (Valeyard aside) as Del Boy's father in law.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Bad Ambassador on December 02, 2021, 10:23:42 AM
Jayston's also played James Bond in a 1990 BBC Radio version of You Only Live Twice.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: George White on December 02, 2021, 02:52:17 PM
Yes, thus being the only person so far to have played Doctor and Bond.

RE:actors from Nicholas and Alexandra, Martin Potter.
Starts his career in The Year of the Sex Olympics, then gets the lead in Fellini's Satyricon when Terence Stamp was unavailable, plays Rasputin's assassin in Nicholas and Alexandra, leads Goodbye Gemini and a few other undistinguished films, but by 76 is reduced to doing Satan's Slave and eventually slips back into jobbing telly mode, his one lead in telly being the Sunday classic Robin Hood.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: mothman on December 02, 2021, 08:01:21 PM
Article about Adam Deacon. I thought I'd read it recently; maybe I did, but it's from 2017:

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/nov/19/adam-deacon-kidulthood-bafta-noel-clarke-psychosis-the-retreat

How about Jon Finch? Early success, but never successfully capitalised on it; made a few bad choices - turned down Bond, and The Three Musketeers. And had bad luck too - injured on first day of filming Alien, replaced by John Hurt.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: George White on December 02, 2021, 08:47:54 PM
Also turned down the Professionals at a late stage, feeling he couldn't play an ex-cop, so his Banquo, Martin Shaw replaced him
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: elliszeroed on December 02, 2021, 09:34:09 PM
For a period, Freddie Prinze Jnr was a writer for WWE:

Digital Spy Article (https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/ustv/a35406613/freddie-prinze-jr-rquit-wwe-steve-austin/)

QuoteThe actor worked at WWE from 2008 to 2009 as a member of the creative team before becoming a producer and director in 2010.

...


"There was this show called Tough Enough and they tried to bring it back. Stone Cold was the judge," Freddie told Chris Van Vliet on Insight with Chris Van Vliet.

"There was a mom that wanted to be a wrestler and she said she was doing it for her kids. Steve Austin said, 'That's bullshit.'

"He said, 'You know how many times I won Father of the Year?' He put a goose egg up.

"I was watching that show in the writer's room. I stood up and I walked to Gorilla. I gave Vince [McMahon] my two weeks and I said, 'I'm trying to win Father of the Year, man, I can't work here any more' and he said, 'What? Talk to me after the show.'"

Freddie went on to say that he ended up talking to Vince's daughter Stephanie McMahon afterwards who told him that he was about to be made Head Writer of WWE SmackDown.

"I was like, 'Look, you know I love you guys, but I'm a dad and I'm out,'" Freddie added. "That was that. I quit and I never looked back."

Eh.

"I'm trying to win father of the year."

...Why?
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: BeardFaceMan on December 02, 2021, 10:51:04 PM
Quote from: elliszeroed on December 02, 2021, 09:34:09 PMFor a period, Freddie Prinze Jnr was a writer for WWE

He's just started a podcast called Wrestling with Freddie where he talks about his time there.

Are you really asking why someone who grew up without a father would want to be a good father to his kids?
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: George White on December 02, 2021, 11:08:14 PM
His dad was basically the American Richard Beckinsale, but with an even more tragic end.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: thecuriousorange on December 03, 2021, 01:26:01 AM
David Duchovny left The X-Files to concentrate on launching a film career. He unsuccessfully auditioned to play Batman and the pictures he did front were cooly received. He'll never not be famous, as Mulder, but a movie star is something he never was.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Bad Ambassador on December 03, 2021, 10:56:23 AM
He was the runner-up to Edward Norton for The Incredible Hulk, even though he's about a decade older. He's worked consistantly in TV though, with a seven-season run in Californication, followed by Aquarius and the X-Files revival, and in the last six years has released three albums and four novels.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Ron Maels Moustache on December 03, 2021, 12:31:13 PM
Quote from: Bad Ambassador on December 03, 2021, 10:56:23 AMHe was the runner-up to Edward Norton for The Incredible Hulk, even though he's about a decade older. He's worked consistantly in TV though, with a seven-season run in Californication, followed by Aquarius and the X-Files revival, and in the last six years has released three albums and four novels.

Thank-you reminding me of Duchovny's dreadful musical career, and this astounding performance:


Christ's sake Dave, if you get near a note hit it!
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: greenman on December 03, 2021, 05:20:08 PM
Quote from: Bad Ambassador on December 03, 2021, 10:56:23 AMHe was the runner-up to Edward Norton for The Incredible Hulk, even though he's about a decade older. He's worked consistantly in TV though, with a seven-season run in Californication, followed by Aquarius and the X-Files revival, and in the last six years has released three albums and four novels.

You could argue Evolution was the peak of his non X-files stardom I spose although perhaps also shows the problem he had being typecast playing essentially a comic version of Mulder.

If anything I would perhaps say it was more surprising Gillian Anderson didnt become a bigger star outside the X-files at the time, she built up a career latter on of course but really she was just as well known on the show and played a character less typecasted.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: holyzombiejesus on December 03, 2021, 07:45:33 PM
Quote from: dead-ced-dead on November 28, 2021, 12:44:40 PMThis almost never happens - usually Hollywood gives you one shot and you're done - so he must be thanking every day.

Also see Micky Rourke. Think he only managed 3 decent/ successful films during his comeback before slipping back in to utter dross.

Fairuza Balk was hotly tipped at one time, wasn't she?
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Famous Mortimer on December 04, 2021, 03:03:10 AM
Terry Farrell
I know she did several seasons of successful TV, and she had a few starring roles in movies (Hellraiser 3, Legion), it never quite worked out for her. Nowadays, with a decent action "look" and comedy experience, she'd be a low-level Marvel person, set for life.

Darren Shahlavi
Did some stunts, and was often second or third billed in some decent martial arts movies, but didn't get the big role or franchise he deserved. Again, good look, decent actor, could fight on screen really well, died at 42 of atherosclerosis.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: pigamus on December 04, 2021, 08:28:24 AM
Quote from: Famous Mortimer on November 29, 2021, 06:16:40 PMWho starred in as many movies as Claire Forlani, I'd wager.

Because I'm a big Press Gang fan, mention of Claire Forlani makes me think of Gabrielle Anwar, who did Scent of a Woman but was never huge after that
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Ron Maels Moustache on December 04, 2021, 11:41:24 AM
Quote from: holyzombiejesus on December 03, 2021, 07:45:33 PMAlso see Micky Rourke. Think he only managed 3 decent/ successful films during his comeback before slipping back in to utter dross.

Fairuza Balk was hotly tipped at one time, wasn't she?

Rourke sounds like he was a nightmare to work with once he got famous again, I think word must've got around as the big parts started drying up again fairly sharpish.

I do wonder if Balk fell foul of someone powerful in the industry or something. I remember hearing that she was cast as a regular recurring role as an FBI agent in The Sopranos when that was at it's peak, but for vague reasons the role was re-cast and they even reshot her scenes with the new actress, even though the episode featuring Balk had already been shown.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on December 04, 2021, 01:12:42 PM
Speaking of drugged off '80s comeback kids: Keifer Sutherland did a few films in the wake of 24, but seems to have mostly stuck to telly.

Quote from: Famous Mortimer on December 04, 2021, 03:03:10 AMTerry Farrell
I know she did several seasons of successful TV, and she had a few starring roles in movies (Hellraiser 3, Legion), it never quite worked out for her.
I assume things worked out fine after Jane's Addiction got back together.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: greenman on December 04, 2021, 03:00:21 PM
Quote from: Ron Maels Moustache on December 04, 2021, 11:41:24 AMRourke sounds like he was a nightmare to work with once he got famous again, I think word must've got around as the big parts started drying up again fairly sharpish.

I suspect also the Cage/Willis effect were he had enough bro cache to make easy money on multiple low budget action films per year playing heavy roles.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on December 04, 2021, 04:09:31 PM
Donald Glover seemed set to be the next big thing a few years ago. He had bunch of acclaimed telly work under his belt, a zeitgeist capturing song and a plum role in the new Star Wars film. Then Solo underperformed and now he seems to have been eclipsed by his own Atlanta co-stars.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: thecuriousorange on December 05, 2021, 09:54:55 PM
Despite Moonwalker existing, Michael Jackson was never the "movie star" he thought he should be. Apparently he fell out with Steven Spielberg because he wouldn't cast him as the lead in Hook.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: bgmnts on December 06, 2021, 12:18:49 AM
Keith David.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: dissolute ocelot on December 06, 2021, 09:51:23 AM
Quote from: Famous Mortimer on December 04, 2021, 03:03:10 AMTerry Farrell
I know she did several seasons of successful TV, and she had a few starring roles in movies (Hellraiser 3, Legion), it never quite worked out for her. Nowadays, with a decent action "look" and comedy experience, she'd be a low-level Marvel person, set for life.
Did OK with this though
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8c/Secret_Intelligence_Service_building_-_Vauxhall_Cross_-_Vauxhall_-_London_-_from_Millbank_24042004.jpg)
Sorry.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: George White on December 06, 2021, 10:03:07 AM
Two come to mind.

Armand Assante - got a few early prime roles, Paradise Alley, I the Jury, but very quickly became king of the miniseries. Although he had that Stallone/De Niro quality, he had an old-school quality (a doppelganger for Cornel Wilde) which suited him better in period roles, and therefore in TV stuff.

And his costar in Love and Money, Ray Sharkey. Similar looking (a kind of Spacey/Assante hybrid), Won the Golden Globe for The Idolmaker, then appeared in a few lead roles - Willie and Phil, but his volatile behaviour and heroin habit  almost instantly sent him into exploitation and TV spots. Then got AIDS and started sleeping around with women, giving them HIV without telling them he was positive. Dead at 40. 
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: greenman on December 06, 2021, 11:06:15 AM
Quote from: bgmnts on December 06, 2021, 12:18:49 AMKeith David.

Too scary for middle america.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Brundle-Fly on December 06, 2021, 12:18:34 PM
One of saddest 'never stood a chance' stories has to be Emily Lloyd, star of Wish You Were Here (1987) (and daughter of OFAH's Trigger). Recurring serious mental illness and a troubled history put paid to her career. So many missed opportunities. After reading the Later life section on her wiki page, I'm pleased to learn she finally turned things around.

In April 2013, Lloyd stated that she had been calm and stable for the past few years. She said she had no regrets regarding her life, though wished "that on a few occasions [she'd] been able to enjoy the experiences fully". In May 2013, Lloyd published an autobiography, Wish I Was There. Following the birth of her daughter in 2014, Lloyd stated she was happy and that her mental illness had "faded into the background". In 2016, she had a role in the film No Reasons
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: George White on December 06, 2021, 01:11:29 PM
The problem with Lloyd was that she was a character actress, a young character actress, and that she went to HOllywood way too early. She should have done stuff more like her father, perhaps even a sitcom. Didn't Spielberg warn her not to go Hollywood?
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Brundle-Fly on December 06, 2021, 03:17:19 PM
Quote from: George White on December 06, 2021, 01:11:29 PMDidn't Spielberg warn her not to go Hollywood?

He persuaded her not get involved in the film industry yet and to "be a kid and go to Disneyland". She was sixteen, so he wasn't being particularly patronising.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: dead-ced-dead on December 10, 2021, 10:29:34 AM
I'm re-watching The Shadow and John Lone (who plays the baddie) is a great example for this thread.

He came to prominence in Hollywood when they were only willing to cast men and women of colour in very narrow boxes. I'm not saying things are perfect now, but people are more willing to do colour blind casting (which comes with it its own problems) and create roles with greater diversity. Similar to how Dev Patel came to prominence with a huge Oscar winner (Slumdog Millionare for Dev, The Last Emperor for Lone), Patel and this generation of actors find themselves doing varied and interesting work, where Lone was stuck doing stereotypical Chinese and Hong Kong roles.

A real shame, since he's really talented.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Dusty Substance on December 11, 2021, 09:13:47 PM

I just watched the first two Marvel Thor movies for the first time and was reminded of Kat Dennings. She was kind of touted as a next big thing circa 2010, did a couple of faux indie films (anyone remember Nick and Nora's Infinite Playlist?), then the two Thors (in which she has really good chemistry with co-star Natalie Portman - Was surprised they weren't cast as sisters, as they had a similar look and it would've been a nice balance of siblings to brothers Thor and Loki) and then....nothing. A bunch of TV work but no films.

A shame, as she had a good look - The lips and curves of Angelina Jolie, mixed with the indie schmindie sensibility of Zooey Deschanel - And had acting talent. 
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Magnum Valentino on December 11, 2021, 10:58:20 PM
Perhaps the problem there is that she plays the one character in everything, but it's a supporting character (unless it's a sitcom), unlike the one-character peddled by stars like, say, Statham or The Rock, which is a lead-role character. Does that make sense?

She's also more or less terminally intolerable which might have more to do with it.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: mothman on December 11, 2021, 11:26:45 PM
While on the subject of the Stath, I wonder if he'll ever be considered a true Star? The Rock seems to have made it, and it's Fasting and Furiousing that's finally done that - the same films that also had Statham in. But I saw a trailer on TV for his latest film coming out on Prime, and it looks like exactly the sort of film you'd expect Jason Statham to be in and has been in for about the past twenty years. The Meg wasn't a Jason Statham film, it was a giant fucking shark film with Jason Statham in.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: dead-ced-dead on December 12, 2021, 06:51:18 AM
Quote from: mothman on December 11, 2021, 11:26:45 PMWhile on the subject of the Stath, I wonder if he'll ever be considered a true Star? The Rock seems to have made it, and it's Fasting and Furiousing that's finally done that - the same films that also had Statham in. But I saw a trailer on TV for his latest film coming out on Prime, and it looks like exactly the sort of film you'd expect Jason Statham to be in and has been in for about the past twenty years. The Meg wasn't a Jason Statham film, it was a giant fucking shark film with Jason Statham in.

The Stath certainly is the B-movie non-union equivalent of someone like The Rock.

Same with Gerard Butler, too. Both seem to be aware of their limitations and rather than bemoan their place, seem to embrace their status as the Chuck Norris/JCVD place in the world.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Lisa Jesusandmarychain on December 12, 2021, 12:48:53 PM
Quote from: Dusty Substance on December 11, 2021, 09:13:47 PMI just watched the first two Marvel Thor movies for the first time and was reminded of Kat Dennings. She was kind of touted as a next big thing circa 2010, did a couple of faux indie films (anyone remember Nick and Nora's Infinite Playlist?), then the two Thors (in which she has really good chemistry with co-star Natalie Portman - Was surprised they weren't cast as sisters, as they had a similar look and it would've been a nice balance of siblings to brothers Thor and Loki) and then....nothing. A bunch of TV work but no films.

A shame, as she had a good look - The lips and curves of Angelina Jolie, mixed with the indie schmindie sensibility of Zooey Deschanel - And had acting talent. 

Massive norks, too.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Andy147 on December 12, 2021, 01:35:28 PM
IIRC the Last of the Summer Wine book by Andrew Vine says that back in the 1940s/50s Bill Owen had been a movie star that never was.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on December 12, 2021, 02:04:27 PM
Quote from: Dusty Substance on December 11, 2021, 09:13:47 PMI just watched the first two Marvel Thor movies for the first time and was reminded of Kat Dennings. She was kind of touted as a next big thing circa 2010, did a couple of faux indie films (anyone remember Nick and Nora's Infinite Playlist?)
Another one whose successful run on telly seemed to mark the end of their film career.

The Nick to her Nora, Michael Cera has done some indie films and a small, but good, role in Molly's Game over the past decade, but Scott Pilgrim bombing really slammed the brakes on his career. It feels like a testament to how much his star has waned that Zombieland 2 didn't even get him in to play the bizarro version of Jesse Eisenberg.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: George White on December 12, 2021, 03:25:36 PM
Quote from: Andy147 on December 12, 2021, 01:35:28 PMIIRC the Last of the Summer Wine book by Andrew Vine says that back in the 1940s/50s Bill Owen had been a movie star that never was.
Yes, he was one of Britain's attempts to create their own Cagney, see also his fellow Carry On Sergeant actor William Hartnell who did have a few  lead roles but was more successful as a second lead/character actor (e.g. in Brighton Rock).

Owen did a lead role I saw recently, called the Rainbow Jacket, for Ealing, which is a sort of sub-National Velvet story of a disgraced jockey (Compo) who trains a  young boy, only for the two to find themselves racing against each other - while also falling in love with the kid's mum. And it's weird seeing him as the lead, above the likes of Robert Morley and WIlfrid Hyde-White and Sid James.


It's always interesting finding actors we know as sitcom stars, and realising that they had chances at film careers.
The other one who comes to mind is Judy Cornwell who AFAIK was if not actually under contract with American International Pictures, certainly was a favourite of the American B-studio. She's a minor part in Rocket to the Moon, but then gets bigger roles for Arkoff -  Nelly Dean in their version of Wuthering Heights, she's the secondary female lead in Corman racing pic The Wild Racers, she's 4th billed in WHo Slew Auntie Roo, and she's  one of the love interests in Corman-produced sub-Alfie Lee Dunne adap Paddy (1970).
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: George White on December 12, 2021, 11:09:03 PM
Slightly off-topic but discovered that having been in a production of Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead with Anthony Daniels, Christopher Timothy pre-All Creatures auditioned for Han Solo
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: famethrowa on December 13, 2021, 12:45:29 AM
Would be helpful when Chewie got flop-bot
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Keebleman on December 16, 2021, 10:34:19 AM
Quote from: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on December 12, 2021, 02:04:27 PMThe Nick to her Nora, Michael Cera has done some indie films and a small, but good, role in Molly's Game over the past decade, but Scott Pilgrim bombing really slammed the brakes on his career. It feels like a testament to how much his star has waned that Zombieland 2 didn't even get him in to play the bizarro version of Jesse Eisenberg.

Cena seemed to have already bagged the Jimmy-Stewart-or-Tom-Hanks-de-ses-jours position.  I assumed that his lack of visibility in recent years was entirely his choice, and that Hollywood was constantly pestering his 'people' with offers of high-profile work.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on December 16, 2021, 01:11:32 PM
Quote from: Dusty Substance on December 11, 2021, 09:13:47 PM(anyone remember Nick and Nora's Infinite Playlist?)

I think of watching that film about once a week, as I've a framed copy of The Diarrhea Times from Nathan For You on my wall that has a picture and review of the film, but I then completely forget about it. Today might just be the day that changes though...
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: dead-ced-dead on December 16, 2021, 01:27:50 PM
Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on December 16, 2021, 01:11:32 PMI think of watching that film about once a week, as I've a framed copy of The Diarrhea Times from Nathan For You on my wall that has a picture and review of the film, but I then completely forget about it. Today might just be the day that changes though...

It's quite a cute film. Made during the skinny-jeaned dogdays of indie rock, so it's a fairly nice time capsule.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: greenman on December 16, 2021, 02:16:07 PM
Quote from: dead-ced-dead on December 12, 2021, 06:51:18 AMThe Stath certainly is the B-movie non-union equivalent of someone like The Rock.

Same with Gerard Butler, too. Both seem to be aware of their limitations and rather than bemoan their place, seem to embrace their status as the Chuck Norris/JCVD place in the world.

Really by the time they broke though I would say there just wasnt much place for action stars becoming massive names, Cage and Will Smith managed to get a bit of the tail end of that but by the 00's "action star" did tend to mean you were limited to B level status.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on December 16, 2021, 03:17:40 PM
Quote from: dead-ced-dead on December 16, 2021, 01:27:50 PMIt's quite a cute film. Made during the skinny-jeaned dogdays of indie rock, so it's a fairly nice time capsule.
I've not seen it, but I always remember it as marking the point that the word "Hipster" seemed to lose all meaning. I thought indie rock was a perfectly standard thing for the yoof to be into, but apparently it was hipster as fuck.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: willbo on December 16, 2021, 10:25:30 PM
Justice League Mortal (cancelled 2009 film) is a nice snapshot of what almost was in terms of planned but failed stardom

Armie Hammer As Batman/Bruce Wayne.

D. J. Cotrona As Superman/Clark Kent.

Megan Gale As Wonder Woman.

Teresa Palmer As Talia al Ghul.

Common As Green Lantren/John Stewart.

Adam Brody As The Flash/Barry Allen.

Jay Baruchel As Maxwell Lord.

Hugh Keays-Byrne As Martian Manhunter.

Santiago Cabrera As Aquaman.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: phantom_power on December 17, 2021, 07:34:12 AM
Adam Brody is someone that seemed to be poised for stardom after the OC but then disappeared for a while, only to turn up again as a really good supporting actor and star of lower budget films like The Kid Detective
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: George White on December 17, 2021, 08:49:51 AM
RE:Keays Byrne, I remember hoping that Mad Max Fury Road would kickstart a career resurgence for him. But it didn't. And that bites. Maybe, he felt it was time to go out on a high.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: mothman on December 19, 2021, 12:37:10 AM
Watching Desperately Seeking Susan tonight, it occurs to me there's a case for Rosanna Arquette and Aidan Quinn to be in this thread. Both feel like they could have been really big - but weren't.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Famous Mortimer on December 19, 2021, 02:53:47 AM
Rosanna Arquette had a pretty good 80s, I guess?

I just watched "Ghost Hunters" from 2016, apparently a Google Play original movie (?), and it's a who's-who of almost stars. Jon Heder, Justin Long and David Krumholtz (who was the lead on a big budget network show for like 7 years) all seem to have found their level in gentle indie things like this, but at one time they could have headlined a movie and you'd probably not have been too surprised.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: dead-ced-dead on December 19, 2021, 10:40:05 AM
Quote from: Famous Mortimer on December 19, 2021, 02:53:47 AMRosanna Arquette had a pretty good 80s, I guess?

I just watched "Ghost Hunters" from 2016, apparently a Google Play original movie (?), and it's a who's-who of almost stars. Jon Heder, Justin Long and David Krumholtz (who was the lead on a big budget network show for like 7 years) all seem to have found their level in gentle indie things like this, but at one time they could have headlined a movie and you'd probably not have been too surprised.

I always feel regret when watching Dodgeball and I notice how great Justin Long is. He's so wonderful.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: phantom_power on December 19, 2021, 01:16:23 PM
Justin Long is great all round. He has good comic chops and can do serious as well (Giri/Haji). I think he suffers a bit because he looks a bit like a cut-rate Jim Carrey and has maybe made some bad career choices
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: George White on December 19, 2021, 01:33:22 PM
Quote from: mothman on December 19, 2021, 12:37:10 AMWatching Desperately Seeking Susan tonight, it occurs to me there's a case for Rosanna Arquette and Aidan Quinn to be in this thread. Both feel like they could have been really big - but weren't.
I for a long time thought Quinn was a bigger star, because here, he was kind of hyped a bit because he's sorta-Irish (American-born, of Irish parentage, grew up here).
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: thecuriousorange on December 19, 2021, 03:59:24 PM
Quote from: mothman on December 19, 2021, 12:37:10 AMWatching Desperately Seeking Susan tonight, it occurs to me there's a case for Rosanna Arquette and Aidan Quinn to be in this thread. Both feel like they could have been really big - but weren't.

I'm not sure if her co-star Madonna is a candidate for this thread or not. Like a lot of famous singers who dipped their toe, she didnt need to become a movie star to be huge.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: mothman on December 19, 2021, 04:21:20 PM
That's an interesting one, because while a film with Madonna in will have an element of "Ooh, Madonna's in this" proportionate to that you'd afford to an actual movie star, there are very few films where she is in herself the draw - apart from Desperately Seeking Susan. Plenty of films where she was the draw bombed as a result (Who's That Girl, Body Of Evidence, that one with Sean Penn, etc.) while films she were in that were hits did so despite her being in them (Die Another Day, A League Of Their Own, etc.),and usually as a secondary character at that. I'm not sure which category Dick Tracey falls in though...
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on December 19, 2021, 04:35:12 PM
I watched Bad Boys for Life yesterday, which had Vanessa Anne Hudgens in a third string role. It seemed like she was primed to be a bigger name at one point.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: George White on December 19, 2021, 05:13:29 PM
I think she's fallen into a neat little niche with those Princess Switch movies.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: dissolute ocelot on December 20, 2021, 10:42:44 AM
Quote from: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on December 19, 2021, 04:35:12 PMI watched Bad Boys for Life yesterday, which had Vanessa Anne Hudgens in a third string role. It seemed like she was primed to be a bigger name at one point.
Hudgens seemed to go through a period of rebelling against her Disney past, with a couple of years 2012-13ish where she was in in Spring Breakers, Sucker Punch, and Machete Kills. She seems to have done a lot of musicals since then, as well as the romcoms George White mentions. Not sure if she was destined for stardom, as she seemed a very ordinary Disney constructed star, and her music career didn't reach Ariana Grande or Selina Gomez levels of fame. Even in High School Musical 2 she was sidelined in comparison to Efron.

EDIT: Although come to think of it, Zac Efron is another who at one point seemed super-hot and famous, before deciding he'd rather be Ted Bundy.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on January 29, 2022, 09:59:41 PM
I just watched series two of The Sinner, which features a typically excellent performance from Carrie Coon. It got me thinking that I haven't seen much of her in cinema since her ace turn in Gone Girl. The way she stole the film from her more experienced co-stars (in her feature film debut, no less) I was sure she was set for big things.

Maybe it's indicative of Hollywood these days: Peak TV, trough films.

Maybe it's her horrible surname.



It's certainly not Maybelline.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Keebleman on January 29, 2022, 10:06:51 PM
Aiden Quinn should have been cast as Sherman McCoy in Bonfire of the Vanities.  As it would probably have still been a terrible film it wouldn't have made him a star, but he was a far better fit for the role than Tom Hanks.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Replies From View on January 30, 2022, 09:27:46 AM
Somebody called Cacoolama'hon MsKaola was never a movie star.

I have quite a few of these actually
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: 13 schoolyards on January 30, 2022, 10:03:00 AM
The best guide for this kind of thing is the sequels to Hollywood animated kids films. They always stuff the cast for the first one with all the hot stars to get the parents watching, then when they bring them all back for the years-later sequel it's just a bunch of "oh yeah, what happened to them" names.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Mr Banlon on January 30, 2022, 02:19:13 PM
Not really a 'star' that never was, but there was definitely a consistent effort for years to try and make Patsy Kensit a star, despite her being fucking shit at everything she turned her hand to.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: George White on January 30, 2022, 03:10:09 PM
Blame it on the Bellboy
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: kalowski on January 30, 2022, 03:30:20 PM
Quote from: Lisa Jesusandmarychain on December 12, 2021, 12:48:53 PMMassive norks, too.
I wouldn't put Massive Norks in the same category. I think he's still got time and potential to make it as a huge star.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: dissolute ocelot on January 31, 2022, 10:42:33 AM
Quote from: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on January 29, 2022, 09:59:41 PMI just watched series two of The Sinner, which features a typically excellent performance from Carrie Coon. It got me thinking that I haven't seen much of her in cinema since her ace turn in Gone Girl. The way she stole the film from her more experienced co-stars (in her feature film debut, no less) I was sure she was set for big things.

Maybe it's indicative of Hollywood these days: Peak TV, trough films.

Maybe it's her horrible surname.



It's certainly not Maybelline.

Coon does star in the latest Ghostbusters, and I think she plays a victim in the upcoming Boston Strangler movie, but I doubt that'll change things. She was very beloved by movie websites and magazines, with AV Club at one point calling her their Actor of the Decade (2010s) (https://www.avclub.com/our-actor-of-the-decade-carrie-coon-tells-all-about-the-1839812418). But I guess there are more talented actors than good roles, especially for women.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: phantom_power on January 31, 2022, 10:55:37 AM
She has been in a lot of prestige TV as well, like The Leftovers, Fargo and The Gilded Age. She was also woefully under-used in a couple of Marvel films
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Magnum Valentino on January 31, 2022, 04:13:27 PM
Yeah her performance over the course of three seasons of The Leftovers will stick with me for the rest of my life. She's fucking deadly.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Elderly Sumo Prophecy on January 31, 2022, 04:40:40 PM
Stephen Dorff. I think he was being primed as a big star in the 90's, but never really seemed to go anywhere with it, and ended up being the actor you cast if you couldn't afford Christian Slater or Kevin Bacon.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: peanutbutter on January 31, 2022, 05:26:59 PM
Watched Smooth Talk a few weeks ago and Treat Williams was extremely good in it; he then vanished for 4 years, appeared in four terrible film in one year and mostly vanished for another 5 years. Apparently spent most of that time doing lines of coke by his own admission.



Carrie Coon is primarily a theatre person isn't she? Might just not be that passionate about the film industry.
Notice she had a kid directly after the Leftovers and another last year so there's a decent chance she's taking a break and the offers will be there when she wants to work again.

Might be a bit early to say so, but I feel like the pandemic has ground a halt to Maya Erskine's career after having a very good 2019 with PEN15 and Plus One. If it were ten years ago I'd've been expecting a breakthrough role leading some Apatow affiliated thing next.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: mothman on January 31, 2022, 09:16:18 PM
Weirdly I follow both Carrie Coon AND Treat Williams on Twitter. TW, he's had an OK career with a few cinematic highlights - The Eagle Has Landed, Deep Rising, Things To Do In Denver etc. Not Typing It All Out. He was also brilliant in a TV film bio of J. Edgar Hoover.

I skimmed back through the pages to check but couldn't see if I'd mentioned him before, but Treat Williams coming up reminded me of Mark Harmon. He was predominantly in TV in the 70s and 80s before seriously trying to get into films in the late 80s.

As a result he was in The Presidio with Sean Connery (the timing makes me think it was one of those films he committed to before he got the Oscar for The Untouchables heralded his serous comeback) and Meg Ryan (pre-fame, after Top Gun and InnerSpace but before When Harry Met Sally; and Stealing Home with Jodie Foster (before The Accused... you get the idea).

The latter, I remember watching a long time ago and remember thinking it wasn't too bad. It's a bit weird in that the central character (played by Harmon as an adult) as a child is babysat by Foster's, then as a teenager/young adult they gave a relationship.

The former, well, it's not great. Made for a quite good (for once) episode of SmershPod though.

After that I don't know where Harmon got to, until he turns up as the lead in NCIS in the mid-noughties, which unaccountably became this ratings juggernaut which continues to this day although he himself left the show after about 16 years (!) and presumably never needs to work again.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Blue Jam on January 31, 2022, 09:38:31 PM
On the subject of Breaking Bad alumni, would it be fair to say that Jesse Plemons has actually done the most Hollywood stuff since? Not the name I would have expected at the time, and like others I'm surprised Aaron Paul hasn't had more work. Todd Chavez from BoJack Horseman might be the most adorable character ever and I would have thought that alone would have got him more work. He clearly has range.

How about HAMM! Jon Hamm? In Brett Martin's excellent book Difficult Men there's some discussion of how he'd been really struggling as an actor until Mad Men despite his obvious handsomeness, and while he's doing alright now with stuff like Good Omens and Black Mirror I would have expected someone that handsome and with that much charismeehhhhhh charisma to have had casting peeps falling over trying to secure him as a leading man. Bit like David Duchovny I guess, but I also wonder if Hamm just goes for quality over raising his profile, he does seem to choose a lot of things in which he looks like he's having a lot of fun.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Famous Mortimer on January 31, 2022, 09:46:39 PM
I wonder, with those TV people, if there's an issue of them expecting to be a big star immediately and not not following the "be nice to people on the way up, because they're the people you'll be meeting on the way down" maxim. Or maybe they tried being the star of a movie and decided it wasn't for them, and had enough $ to not have to worry.

Thank you for reading my entirely unfounded speculation.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Blue Jam on January 31, 2022, 09:47:21 PM
Quote from: Ignatius_S on November 29, 2021, 10:18:01 PMIn a lot of interviews recently, Cox has said that when he was a young actor, people kept saying that he was in for 'the long haul' - which essentially meant that it would take a long time for him to have any success. However, as he says, he hasn't done too badly! From the various stuff I've read about him, he strikes me as someone who loves acting and working but isn't so bothered about stardom. In one recent interview, Cox says he's no longer anonymous when he's public and read to me that he has mixed feelings about this - although sounds like the person that has no issue with a fan going up to him to say hello (or ask him to tell them to fuck off).

I went to the Q&A/book signing thing he did in Edinburgh last year for his autobiography and got the impression that he's, er, not terribly fond of people asking him to tell them to fuck off. He did a big "FUCK OFF" for the audience as a whole but there was a hint of "There, I've done it- now don't ask me again" ;)

In the book there's a bit where he talks about being at a crossroads when he started getting leading roles in stage productions, where his options were to stay in the UK and become a leading man of the theatre, or go to Hollywood and become a character actor in films, and the latter seemed more appealing. He says he never saw himself as a leading man ("...and besides, I'm too short") so I think he just knew his strengths and was realistic about what Hollywood could offer him.

Great book btw, a lot of fun. I must do a write up in the film/actor books thread.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: mothman on January 31, 2022, 10:10:32 PM
QuoteBrett Martin's excellent book Difficult Men

I think I might check this out...
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Bad Ambassador on January 31, 2022, 11:03:07 PM
There's been weirdly little publicity for this, but Jon Hamm's been filming the long-gestating Fletch reboot with Greg Mottola.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: mothman on February 01, 2022, 12:43:05 AM
Ooh...
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Blue Jam on February 01, 2022, 07:23:44 AM
Quote from: BritishHobo on November 26, 2021, 01:38:29 PMI think people are getting cannier now and realising staying in TV is better, both critically and commercially.

I remember seeing Jeremy Clarkson dissing Meghan Markle as merely a "cable actress" and, as well as that seeming a bit rich coming from a star of Amazon Prime, it also seemed very out of touch. All the good stuff is on stteaming services these days.

Back to Bryan Cranston, I watched him in Your Honor and enjoyed it, even though his performance was the main thing that made it worth watching. Fun but daft little series... which I have just learned has been renewed for a second season. Maybe agreeing to play the lead was a shrewd move after all.

Cranston and Aaron Paul have also got their mezcal brand which they seem to do a lot of work promoting. Do actors keep putting out alcohol brands as an investment, a bit of a safety net? Or are they genuinely big money-spinners? There's probably a whole other thread in that:

https://www.esquire.com/food-drink/drinks/g22118748/best-celebrity-liquors/
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: George White on February 01, 2022, 09:40:34 AM
Quote from: mothman on January 31, 2022, 09:16:18 PMWeirdly I follow both Carrie Coon AND Treat Williams on Twitter. TW, he's had an OK career with a few cinematic highlights - The Eagle Has Landed, Deep Rising, Things To Do In Denver etc. Not Typing It All Out. He was also brilliant in a TV film bio of J. Edgar Hoover.

I skimmed back through the pages to check but couldn't see if I'd mentioned him before, but Treat Williams coming up reminded me of Mark Harmon. He was predominantly in TV in the 70s and 80s before seriously trying to get into films in the late 80s.

As a result he was in The Presidio with Sean Connery (the timing makes me think it was one of those films he committed to before he got the Oscar for The Untouchables heralded his serous comeback) and Meg Ryan (pre-fame, after Top Gun and InnerSpace but before When Harry Met Sally; and Stealing Home with Jodie Foster (before The Accused... you get the idea).

The latter, I remember watching a long time ago and remember thinking it wasn't too bad. It's a bit weird in that the central character (played by Harmon as an adult) as a child is babysat by Foster's, then as a teenager/young adult they gave a relationship.

The former, well, it's not great. Made for a quite good (for once) episode of SmershPod though.

After that I don't know where Harmon got to, until he turns up as the lead in NCIS in the mid-noughties, which unaccountably became this ratings juggernaut which continues to this day although he himself left the show after about 16 years (!) and presumably never needs to work again.

Williams had a bumpy career.
Aside from the Eagle has Landed, he also did the Ritz - another film he made in England (despite being set in New York, hence the appearances from Peter Butterworth, Ronnie Brody, Hugh Fraser) where he plays a straight guy who's sent undercover to a gay bathhouse because his voice never broke.

He did Once Upon A Time in America, which instead of giving him a boost, briefly stranded him in Italian  exploitation-land, with a role in 1987's Night of the Sharks.

Harmon was doing theatricals as early as Beyond the Poseidon Adventure, which he followed with the gonzo Goliath Awaits, which is almost the same plot but they find an underwater dystopia run by Chrstopher Lee.
Harmon too ended up in Italy doing an exploitation picture - playing a North African chief in TUareg - the Desert Warrior.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: The Culture Bunker on February 01, 2022, 03:42:23 PM
I remember from re-watching the West Wing about ten years ago, both Mark Harmon and Clark Gregg had minor parts playing characters quite similar to the ones from their most high-profile gigs.

Having not watched NCIS for about a decade, I did just look it up and seems David McCallum is still in it, not far off his 90th birthday.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: George White on February 01, 2022, 04:41:24 PM
It's basically the same old shite Bellisario would have made in 1984.
I saw an ep a few years ago that was supposed to be set in Warwickshire, about the rogue head of MI6, "Jessica Terdei" and her aristocratic gun-toting farmer uncle Hugo. http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/6/61/NCISS13E22_04.jpg/800px-NCISS13E22_04.jpg (http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/6/61/NCISS13E22_04.jpg/800px-NCISS13E22_04.jpg)
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on February 01, 2022, 08:27:36 PM
After Six Feet Under ended I thought Lauren Ambrose would go on to be huge, and though she's done a fair few films (including Psycho Beach Party which she's very funny in) and tv shows over the years, along with a few highly praised theatre roles, she's never appeared in as many high profile films I'd hoped she would.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: George White on February 02, 2022, 08:22:49 AM
She was in Torchwood - Miracle Day, which seemed to bring down a lot of nascent careers.
Mekhi Phifer's worked consistently since but in support roles.
Arlene Tur seems to have only worked sporadically since (a five year gap between her most recent work, a guest spot in Teenage Bounty Hunters and the thing she did before that)
Alexa Havins seemed to return to guest roles and then her old soap oepra for a bit. 
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on February 02, 2022, 04:04:51 PM
Idris Elba is an odd case. He is well known and stars in lots of films, but he doesn't actually seem to be much of a box office draw (not including supporting roles in mega franchise films).
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: dissolute ocelot on February 03, 2022, 04:32:20 PM
Quote from: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on February 02, 2022, 04:04:51 PMIdris Elba is an odd case. He is well known and stars in lots of films, but he doesn't actually seem to be much of a box office draw (not including supporting roles in mega franchise films).
He seemed to go for a few years where he did a lot of DJing, TV documentaries where he travelled and chatted to people, and some adverts, but not much acting, although Luther is still on the go. Film-wise he seems to have settled into roles as a baddie or morally ambiguous type like in Suicide Squad and Hobbs and Shaw, which make a better use of him than Thor/Avengers, and must be lots of fun to do.

A couple of people mentioned Jon Hamm. Both he and Kyle Chandler seem people who would be huge stars 50 or 70 years ago, with clean-cut good looks, charisma, and talent. Chandler could still go either way (First Man yes, Godzillas no), but Hamm quite clearly doesn't want to be a big star now.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Blue Jam on February 03, 2022, 04:54:23 PM
Quote from: George White on February 02, 2022, 08:22:49 AMShe was in Torchwood - Miracle Day, which seemed to bring down a lot of nascent careers.

To be fair if I was an actor who had been offered a part in Miracle Day I would have gone "Wow, Children of Earth was actually pretty great and this follow-up has got Bill Pullman in it, it should be huge and it definitely won't be massively disappointing! Where do I sign?".

As other people have said, there's no sure-fire way to predict what scripts will start a six-series franchise with five spin-offs and what scripts will lead to nothing beyond the pilot.

Incidentally, this is another thing Brian Cox writes about in his book- little projects he's proud of with great scripts, great actors, great directors etc which still failed to set the world on fire even when everything went right and the final product was a nice piece of work.
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on February 03, 2022, 05:10:52 PM
Quote from: dissolute ocelot on February 03, 2022, 04:32:20 PMKyle Chandler seem people who would be huge stars 50 or 70 years ago, with clean-cut good looks
Chandler is the epitome of the phrase "blandly handsome" to me. He does have an old timey look about him, which works for period pieces, but somehow seems more suited to telly than film these days (which is odd, considering I've not seen his biggest telly roles on Friday Night Lights or Bloodline).
Title: Re: Movie stars that never were
Post by: mothman on February 03, 2022, 11:20:27 PM
There have been whole generations now of bland leading men who'd have been guaranteed regular employment had the studio system persisted. Doomed forever to play the romantic lead but second banana to the female star. Strangely enough the exact career Matthew McConaughey forged for the best part of 29 years in a non-studio system before he started doing really interesting roles.