Spiderman: Homecoming

[lipsink]

Jon Favreau looks fucking huge nowadays.

I quite enjoyed this. Some scenes like the whole race to the Washington monument were absolutely thrilling but overall the film just wasn't quite there. The final fight was a little underwhelming and I was just hoping Keaton's film would be a tad more menacing. Also, the film felt strangely soulless in the end.

Holland is without a doubt the finest onscreen Peter Parker yet though. And some of it was proper laugh out loud funny.

[Glebe]

Saw it yesterday, it has it's flaws, but I thought it was really good overall, the comedic elements being it's strong point (actually it succeeds better than Ant-Man as a humour-driven superhero flick). It keeps up the momentum and manages to balance the high-school drama with the superhero larks quiet well, and Tom Holland is very likable as Spidey. On the negative side, there are the usual annoying logic leaps you get with genre movies, and I know it's a MCU movie, but I thought there was a little too much Iron Man and Avengers at times. Also, the enhanced suit is a bit over the top if you ask me (I don't want my Spider-Man accompanied by an a A.I. wit, thank you very much). Also, while I understand it's not an 'origin' story, it's a bit weird the way it doesn't seem to mention how he became Spider-Man (apart from the "I was bitten by a radioactive spider" line that Paaaaul mentions, which I missed), it kind of gives the impression that he's just a kid who happens to have been given a super-powered suit.

But yeah, otherwise I enjoyed it, it's a great fun romp and genuinely funny. The running joke about Aunt May being 'hot' is amusing, and I laughed out loud at "I'm looking at porn." And Tyne Daly! Nice to hear The Beat's 'Save It for Later' on the soundtrack too!

[Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth]

That reminds me, why did they use the title "Homecoming" if it had no relevance to the Spider-Man comic story? They were obviously alluding to it by giving it that title but there was no connection whatsoever was there?

I've never heard of the comics storyline, nor can I find reference to it with a brief search of Wikipedia. The allusion might not be as obvious as you think.

Age of Ultron did a similar thing.

[phantom_power]

I like that they didn't go through the origin again. Does anyone NOT know how he got his powers.

I really enjoyed this. Very funny and nicely low stakes. The climax was almost deliberately underwhelming I think, and the music at the start really set the tone of irreverent fun

Loads of small parts for comedy actors as well

[Gwen Taylor on ITV]

I've never heard of the comics storyline, nor can I find reference to it with a brief search of Wikipedia. The allusion might not be as obvious as you think.

Age of Ultron did a similar thing.

The film title is a reference to Spider-man 'coming home' to the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

[Delete Delete Delete]

The film title is a reference to Spider-man 'coming home' to the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

Then why isn't it called Spiderman - Coming Home

[Replies From View]

Then why isn't it called Spiderman - Coming Home

Because that is a worse title.

It's why there also isn't a film called Batman - Walking Off.

[Sin Agog]

Then why isn't it called Spiderman - Coming Home

I'm not sure the idea of Peter Parker being a truculent wheelchair-bound Vietnam vet who has an affair with Jane Fonda has the same mass appeal.

[Delete Delete Delete]

How is it a worse title than Homecoming. Its the same words in a different order.

[newbridge]

Spiderman: Homing Cum

[Gwen Taylor on ITV]

What better way to celebrate the film than this video song of Paul F Tompkins singing a cover of 'Home'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fbueou4hGg

[Gwen Taylor on ITV]

Then why isn't it called Spiderman - Coming Home

Well the film is a celebration of Spider-Man's return to the universe of Marvel.  I've seen it now and there's also a bit where he 'cums home' into his Aunt's vagina.

[Delete Delete Delete]

Well the film is a celebration of Spider-Man's return to the universe of Marvel.  I've seen it now and there's also a bit where he 'cums home' into his Aunt's vagina.

Technically he was never in the cinematic universe before, so how can he be returning.

[Replies From View]

How is it a worse title than Homecoming. Its the same words in a different order.

Which is the best title:

À la recherche du temps perdu

or

recherche À du perdu la temps


?

[Delete Delete Delete]

There as good as each other. What's your point.

[Gwen Taylor on ITV]

Technically he was never in the cinematic universe before, so how can he be returning.

The timeline is round, not linear.

[Replies From View]

There as good as each other. What's your point.

Just that there should one day be a film called Batman - Walking Off.

[Glebe]

[Dr Rock]

7/10. Everyone I saw it with completely loved it though.

Pros:
Got Peter Parker/Spider-Man right. Especially the wise-cracking element
Quite funny
Michael Keaton
Spider-Tracers!
There was no scene where Spider-Man's mask gets ripped off or damaged because the movie-makers decide we need to see the actor's face.
The nod to the famous Ditko scene of Spider-Man lifting the debris.

There was even that key shaped doohickey in the movie scene.

Cons:
Didn't like The Vulture costume, although I think you simply couldn't translate the comic version in any believable way without changing it a lot. I also wasn't sure how Toomes managed to construct the thing out of the stuff he had available to him. I suppose those flying glider things the aliens had in Avengers might have a few useful spare parts and he'd have had access to them, but it seems he'd have to be almost on Tony Stark levels to design that.

Nobody ever called him The Vulture.

The direction was quite pedestrian. Raimi's Spider-Man movies certainly had more visual flair and memorable imagery.

No Spidey Sense. Again.

Iron Man being his benefactor and route to The Avengers worked fine and was important to Spidey's arc (starting off with dreams of joining the Avengers he eventually realises the big leagues aren't for him) - but I felt he had too much support for most of the movie, when Spidey should really be more of a loner. He had Karen (that was the computer voice's name right?), and Ned (Leeds I presume) who fulfilled that role of back-up help that I never really like whether it's Streethawk, Knight Rider or The Flash).

A nitpick I had, but have now withdrawn, is that Peter Parker wasn't enough of a bullied outsider at school - then I realised, this is a while after he got his powers - in the comics, that element is there before Pete gets bitten, and played out as he eventually faces up to Flash, and by the time Romita takes over from Ditko, Pete has Mary Jane and Gwen Stacey both into him, and he's already dated Betty Brant. So I guess the movie takes place in that period of his life, he's already won a fight with Flash which is why he never acts like a physical threat in the movie, and Raimi's first film can stand in for his origin of the bullied kid who slowly gains confidence (and learns with great power comes great responsibility, natch). The Andrew Garfield movies never happened, and we all got our money back.

[surreal]

No Spidey Sense. Again.

Presumably this will be replaced in part by that bloody Stark AI suit.

I have question about the whole Spider-Man thing actually if anyone cares to answer.  There was a big outcry from fans for the original Maguire version as he had organic web shooters rather than making them.  However, that always made more sense to me if he'd been bitten by the spider and had some "spider powers".  What exactly can he do without the suit and shooters?  Is he just stronger / more athletic?  Does he have the wall climbing ability or is that the suit?  If it is just strength, why doesn't he just do the batman thing and make gadgets, why specifically the swinging from (artificial) webs?

Clearly I'm getting too old for this stuff...

[Dr Rock]

Presumably this will be replaced in part by that bloody Stark AI suit.

I have question about the whole Spider-Man thing actually if anyone cares to answer.  There was a big outcry from fans for the original Maguire version as he had organic web shooters rather than making them.  However, that always made more sense to me if he'd been bitten by the spider and had some "spider powers".  What exactly can he do without the suit and shooters?  Is he just stronger / more athletic?  Does he have the wall climbing ability or is that the suit?  If it is just strength, why doesn't he just do the batman thing and make gadgets, why specifically the swinging from (artificial) webs?

Clearly I'm getting too old for this stuff...

If he hadn't taken inspiration from the spider that bit him, his powers could fit a lot of insects or he could just be a generic super-powered crimefighter. Spiders don't have a 'spider-sense' and he invented the web-shooters himself. If he had never known it was a spider that bit him, he may have called himself 'Gecko Man' because of his ability to stick to walls (which is an innate power, nothing to do with the suit). Or 'Captain Sticky Strong Guy.'

[Shit Good Nose]

I have question about the whole Spider-Man thing actually if anyone cares to answer.  There was a big outcry from fans for the original Maguire version as he had organic web shooters rather than making them.  However, that always made more sense to me if he'd been bitten by the spider and had some "spider powers".

I can't answer your question, but I've always thought (and still think) that that was the single best change that anyone has ever made with a character from page to screen, and one of the best things James Cameron has ever done besides the first Terminator and The Abyss. 

When I was a kid I regularly watched the Spidey cartoon, and the TV movies and subsequent TV series (without ever having read the comics, I should also say), and I always wondered why he had to construct web machines.  Others have argued that the radioactive bite merely affected and improved the things the human body already had and was never going to develop a web producing sack (or whatever it is) from scratch.  But counter-argument to that counter-argument is that we're in the world of superheroes where ridiculous things happen without anyone batting an eyelid, so what the fuck does it matter.

[Dr Rock]

yeah but I don't like the idea of a super-hero who sprays his bodily fluids over people.

[Shit Good Nose]

yeah but I don't like the idea of a super-hero who sprays his bodily fluids over people.

Best not watch the porn parodies then.


(but also, IIRC, that was one of the recurring jokes in the first Raimi film)

[Lord Mandrake]

No Spidey Sense. Again.

He had some sort of Spider sense in Civil War. >spoilers<Firstly just before Ant man appears on Caps shield he says something like 'guys somethings not right' and shortly after when he's fighting Falcon and Winter soldier - some large debris is thrown at him as he's facing camera, his eyes widen and he says 'uh oh`before narrowly avoiding it.

Haven't seen Homecoming but maybe they are just playing it down as those kind of sequences are a bit tired, like Sherlock and his 'mind palace'.

[phantom_power]

, but it seems he'd have to be almost on Tony Stark levels to design that.

Wasn't one of his cronies The Tinkerer, who I presume has the ability to make these sorts of gadgets?

[Dr Rock]

Wasn't one of his cronies The Tinkerer, who I presume has the ability to make these sorts of gadgets?

I read that elsewhere too - so it makes more sense. Was the character ever referred to as 'The Tinkerer' though?

Oh and enjoyed The Shocker sort of being in it, but meta-deemed as unworthy of being a main villain.

[Dr Rock]

When Keaton/Toomes has Pete in his car, giving him 'the talk' why doesn't he kill him? He knows it's Spider-Man who has connections to the Avengers, and letting him go now that he knows that he is The Vulture is a major new problem for him; and he's got him right there - maybe just because it would be hard to get away with as his daughter would know he was the last person he was seen with? Still a better risk than letting Parker go off with the knowledge of who the Vulture is surely? He only has to phone Stark and Toomes gets arrested asap.

(If I've remembered the scene correctly)

[Twed]

When Keaton/Toomes has Pete in his car, giving him 'the talk' why doesn't he kill him? He knows it's Spider-Man who has connections to the Avengers, and letting him go now that he knows that he is The Vulture is a major new problem for him; and he's got him right there - maybe just because it would be hard to get away with as his daughter would know he was the last person he was seen with?

No, it's because he's not a black and white villain. He thought he could control the situation with a threat and a stern dad talk.

Remember, he thinks of himself as a working man with good family values. He's not a ruthless killer.

[colacentral]

I saw someone mention that he never gets called The Vulture before I saw it myself so I was looking out for it, and yeah, he actually does get called it. I believe Stark says something about "that vulture guy", and there's at least one other mention somewhere but I can't remember where. It's said at least twice, possibly three times anyway.