It's still under construction, so please bear with me
Started by mothman, October 09, 2021, 09:42:42 PM
Quote from: Malcy on October 09, 2021, 09:48:01 PMHorrible fascination is a good way to put it. Haven't watched the trailer yet but read there is a redesigned Ferengi. STOP pissing about with species design!
Quote@EternalVaylin·13hReplying to @TrekCoreJust let the galaxy threatening anomaly win.
Quote from: Wonderful Butternut on October 10, 2021, 05:29:26 PMAnd a Cardassian with considerably reduced protrusions. I suppose she could be part human or part something else though.Oh, and Saru possibly demoted to be Burnham's XO. Cos of course.
Quote from: JamesTC on October 11, 2021, 01:20:16 PMI don't think anywhere near as many people would be arsed about redesigns or much of the other nitpicks that Discovery receives if they liked the show.
Quote from: JamesTC on October 11, 2021, 01:20:16 PMI do worry that Star Trek not being good but making a big song and dance about progressiveness plays into their hands. I was very sad a few weeks ago to see a very dear family member complaining about how Doctor Who is rubbish now because it is woke. It genuinely upset me as despite his age, I have always seem him as a very kind, accepting and progressive man. I started drafting an email reply in my head about how Doctor Who has a long and proud history of being progressive and that the problems with current Doctor Who have nothing to do with casting a woman or a non-white companion but it just felt too much like attacking so I just let it go.Not that Star Trek shouldn't be progressive. If I were in charge of it, it would be woke to the extreme with many stories paralleling modern day issues. I just worry that bad Trek gives people an excuse the way current Doctor Who does.
Quote from: Wonderful Butternut on October 11, 2021, 02:37:59 PMThe Klingons were such a big redesign, and of arguably the most prominent alien species in the series, that I don't think it would've escaped criticism even if Disco had been on par with peak TNG & DS9 in terms of quality.I know it happened already in TOS vs. TMP onwards, but that was always half given a pass cos the real reason Klingons looked like humans in TOS is because it was the 60s, and you couldn't convincingly make something as complex as a TNG Klingon to be used regularly on a TV budget back then. And then they explained it, and explained it pretty well, in ENT. So, I think most Trek fans were happy it was tied up. Then Disco comes along and makes them into orcs? Like, why? And then rolled back on it in season 2 by trying to create some halfway point between Disco S1 Klingorcs and TNG Klingons.But it would've probably still been let slide after an initial bout of REEEEEEEEEEEEEing if Disco had been good. As a matter of fact people don't really talk about it as a criticism much anymore since there weren't any Klingons in S3 and it was still a confused mess.
Quote from: Wonderful Butternut on October 11, 2021, 02:37:59 PM(As an aside, I've said with ENT that I didn't like it cos I was watching a crew that consisted of fuckwits and barely relevant characters who got fuck all development - that's not a nitpick, imo. That's fairly fundemental to the show)
Quote from: mothman on October 11, 2021, 06:04:37 PMAnd I hate that it gives these CUNTS, who aren't even really Trekkies, an in towards pushing their hateful agendas. That someone like me trying to critique the shows runs the risk of being lumped in with them.
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