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There's never been a good drum solo. CHANGE MY MIND.

Started by Pavlov`s Dog`s Dad`s Dead, October 17, 2021, 10:41:56 PM

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bloom

Honourable mention to Bill Ward for stopping in the middle of this to shout 'all drum solos are boring' https://youtu.be/wdZBU7pqKJA?t=3803

Johnny Yesno

Quote from: Shit Good Nose on October 18, 2021, 12:41:00 AM
That's the bunny.

And OnlyRegistered's link to Animal has also reminded me of the Animal-Buddy battle (which is in the related vids on that page).

Oh, here it is:

BUDDY RICH VS. ANIMAL FROM THE MUPPETS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bX7j9Sv8n0

Heh! Animal's no slouch on the drums, is he?



Also in the related videos:

Rita Moreno - Animal - fever.avi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDjXeWksP4w

The writers sure could pull off a musical gag :-)   It's literally all in the timing.

Pavlov`s Dog`s Dad`s Dead

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Quote from: Video Game Fan 2000 on October 17, 2021, 11:12:21 PM
Max Roach - Tears For Johannesberg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsvFzXr-o-8&t=1662s

Crikey. That's been a terrific choice for my last listen this evening, thank you. I'll be honest, I bailed out about five minutes in on my first attempt. But my second listen was amply rewarded. The percussion throughout is incredible - when the drums first come in, it seems unintuitive and yet simultaneously absolutely right. The solo, when it finally comes, does seem to emerge organically from the piece before merging back in. Perhaps the highest compliment I can pay is that it isn't conspicuous by its presence. It's becoming clear to me that I don't enjoy the everything-plus-the-kitchen-sink approach at all, and my assumption was that every solo would descend into this. But here it's an entirely different experience. This is the first example that I can contemplate coming back to and listening to again, and I'm not just saying that because I'll have to leave the thread and get some sleep.

Thanks to everyone for your suggestions so far, I have tried to approach them with an open mind, and I'm intrigued by the ones I haven't yet had chance to listen to. Work allowing, I'll come back to them tomorrow later today.

Key

Quote from: Video Game Fan 2000 on October 17, 2021, 11:59:54 PM
best Jaki Liebezeit is when he absolutely loses his shit about 15 minutes into Aumgn and sounds like he's trying to pound his kit into the ground

My fave Jaki is the instrumental break in the middle of 'Connection' where each time the riff circles round he throws in increasingly absurd drum fills until the last 4 bars are just one insane mega-fill

Twit 2

Jeff Sipe's solo at around 9.45 here is one of the most musical drum solos I've ever heard.

Jackson K Pollock

They Might Be Giants - yes, really: https://youtu.be/tbqxicpoLDg (Drum solo starts about 45 seconds in).

Absolutely love this, it's a drum solo with a sense of humour (if you like that sort of thing...), genuine skill, and it pays tribute to many of the legendary drummers already mentioned upthread (including Animal from the Muppets).

A drum solo for people who don't like drum solos, maybe?

SpiderChrist

Like all the best people (Starr, Watts) I don't usually like drum solos. Probably because I'm no good at them, but I also think they're just WANK.

However, I have an old Louis Bellson EP called "Drummer's Holiday", which contains a sublimely danceable solo in the title tune. Doesn't interrupt the flow of the music, doesn't hang about like a bad smell either.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdEMkCCCj_0

PlanktonSideburns

will happilly listen to terry bozzio playing round on his comedy kit like its proper music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4NraBAIEXs

its like a proggy version of the crash bandicoot theme, and who can knock that

PlanktonSideburns


Pauline Walnuts

Quote from: PlanktonSideburns on October 19, 2021, 10:25:37 AM
will happilly listen to terry bozzio playing round on his comedy kit like its proper music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4NraBAIEXs

its like a proggy version of the crash bandicoot theme, and who can knock that

For such a good rock drummer, it's a really mediocre marimba player.

Still good on him for at least trying something new.

chutnut

This guy is amazing
Thomas Pridgen: The Big Drum Solo

I also really like the solo just after 3 mins into this but it's pretty processed so dunno if it really counts
Les Gammas - See the Sun

chutnut

obviously this isn't really what the thread's supposed to be about but this autechre track is basically one long drum solo (just not on real drums of course)
Autechre - Gantz Graf

Mr Farenheit

Quote from: Mr Banlon on October 17, 2021, 10:48:14 PM
Joe Morello : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54uhjDErU-Y
Quote from: chveik on October 17, 2021, 10:48:26 PM
Elvin Jones on Coltrane's 'The Drum Thing'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4WLQ9uHDno&ab_channel=JohnColtrane-Topic
Quote from: badaids on October 17, 2021, 10:49:24 PM
There is precisely one good drum solo, played by Clive Bunker in Dharma for One on Jethro Tull's This Was album. Thanks.
Quote from: OnlyRegisteredSoICanRead on October 17, 2021, 11:00:47 PM
Not a solo, but I can listen to Keith Moon isolated drums for hours minutes and not get bored

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL7uVSRnOms
Quote from: Gradual Decline on October 17, 2021, 11:02:41 PM
Doktor Avalanche did some pretty powerful solo spots I seem to remember.
Quote from: Gregory Torso on October 17, 2021, 11:06:13 PM
Louie Bellson. Duke Ellington. Skin Deep.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSwaAiWA9lo
Quote from: Video Game Fan 2000 on October 17, 2021, 11:12:21 PM
Max Roach - Tears For Johannesberg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsvFzXr-o-8&t=1662s
Quote from: Magnum Valentino on October 17, 2021, 11:14:42 PM
Rat Salad is also a short drum solo, as an album track.

Mario Duplantier's are quite thrilling and again, short. Brevity is key.
Quote from: Video Game Fan 2000 on October 17, 2021, 11:15:03 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JL9BrZ-zUpQ
Quote from: OnlyRegisteredSoICanRead on October 17, 2021, 11:24:12 PM
Youtube link with no description:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeQg2auVlU4
Quote from: Shit Good Nose on October 17, 2021, 11:33:28 PM
Billy Cobham, Tenth Pinn (solo starts at 6:05 [also features bonus owl]) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNyYzfkn4yc

Jon Hiseman, The Machine Demands A Sacrifice (Colosseum) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_qgSbdqXNg

Vinnie Colaiuta (here with Zappa), Zeets - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20ZUO79il6A

If you'll indulge me, Phil Collins and Chester Thompson drum duet - https://youtu.be/EZk1bl7MBcE?t=2078

If you'll indulge me further, Bill Bruford and Pat Mastelotto (King Crimson), B'Boom - https://youtu.be/EZk1bl7MBcE?t=1980

And Bruford on his own trying to throw Tony Levin off the beat (King Crimson again), Indiscipline - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SDt1TLUbzY

Oh, and just about any Tony Williams solo (of which there are far too many to post in a thread that starts from a point of doubt).
Quote from: Clatty McCutcheon on October 17, 2021, 11:42:47 PM
The brief rapid-fire solo by Mick Fleetwood, in Tusk.

https://youtu.be/ATMR5ettHz8?t=117
Quote from: Video Game Fan 2000 on October 17, 2021, 11:59:54 PM
best Jaki Liebezeit is when he absolutely loses his shit about 15 minutes into Aumgn and sounds like he's trying to pound his kit into the ground
Quote from: Johnny Yesno on October 18, 2021, 12:03:09 AM
I feel you OP and I say that as a drummer. However, I feel Buddy Rich should CHANGE YOUR MIND:

Buddy Rich's Incredible Tonight Show Drum Solos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-yQWPanTyw

The first performance is sublime. The sound is just so aggressive and exciting, with a snare that sounds like a fucking machine gun. They're not drum connoisseurs in that audience. They're Joe Public wanting to be entertained and Rich was an entertainer.

This is a good one too:

Buddy Rich slams Country Music - Mike Douglas Show 1971: https://youtu.be/g67-LyG6JBY?t=440
Quote from: rue the polywhirl on October 18, 2021, 12:04:00 AM
Erm... Steve Gadd on Steely Dan - Aja.
Quote from: Shit Good Nose on October 18, 2021, 12:10:23 AM
I see there's one where he sits in at Ed Shaughnessy's big kit - reminds me of that little drum battle they had on Carson.
Quote from: Johnny Yesno on October 18, 2021, 12:33:20 AM
That's a good one too. It's not easy playing on someone else's kit but there he is telling everyone else in the band how amazing they are.

This one?

Buddy Rich and Ed Shaughnessy Play Drums on "The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson" - 1978: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QXdi25469U

Another video that has previously passed me by. Amazing stuff.
Quote from: bloom on October 18, 2021, 12:47:09 AM
Honourable mention to Bill Ward for stopping in the middle of this to shout 'all drum solos are boring' https://youtu.be/wdZBU7pqKJA?t=3803
Quote from: Johnny Yesno on October 18, 2021, 01:18:20 AM
Oh, here it is:

BUDDY RICH VS. ANIMAL FROM THE MUPPETS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bX7j9Sv8n0

Heh! Animal's no slouch on the drums, is he?



Also in the related videos:

Rita Moreno - Animal - fever.avi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDjXeWksP4w

The writers sure could pull off a musical gag :-)   It's literally all in the timing.
Quote from: Key on October 18, 2021, 09:21:04 AM
My fave Jaki is the instrumental break in the middle of 'Connection' where each time the riff circles round he throws in increasingly absurd drum fills until the last 4 bars are just one insane mega-fill
Quote from: Key on October 18, 2021, 09:21:04 AM
My fave Jaki is the instrumental break in the middle of 'Connection' where each time the riff circles round he throws in increasingly absurd drum fills until the last 4 bars are just one insane mega-fill
Quote from: Jackson K Pollock on October 18, 2021, 10:58:12 AM
They Might Be Giants - yes, really: https://youtu.be/tbqxicpoLDg (Drum solo starts about 45 seconds in).

Absolutely love this, it's a drum solo with a sense of humour (if you like that sort of thing...), genuine skill, and it pays tribute to many of the legendary drummers already mentioned upthread (including Animal from the Muppets).

A drum solo for people who don't like drum solos, maybe?
Quote from: SpiderChrist on October 19, 2021, 10:11:02 AM
Like all the best people (Starr, Watts) I don't usually like drum solos. Probably because I'm no good at them, but I also think they're just WANK.

However, I have an old Louis Bellson EP called "Drummer's Holiday", which contains a sublimely danceable solo in the title tune. Doesn't interrupt the flow of the music, doesn't hang about like a bad smell either.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdEMkCCCj_0
Quote from: PlanktonSideburns on October 19, 2021, 10:30:19 AM
also Moe! Staiano

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FF72ZPXDB2U
Quote from: chutnut on October 19, 2021, 11:27:25 AM
This guy is amazing
Thomas Pridgen: The Big Drum Solo

I also really like the solo just after 3 mins into this but it's pretty processed so dunno if it really counts
Les Gammas - See the Sun
Quote from: chutnut on October 19, 2021, 11:50:48 AM
obviously this isn't really what the thread's supposed to be about but this autechre track is basically one long drum solo (just not on real drums of course)
Autechre - Gantz Graf


Not quite my tempo

SpiderChrist

QuoteOh, here it is:

BUDDY RICH VS. ANIMAL FROM THE MUPPETS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bX7j9Sv8n0

Heh! Animal's no slouch on the drums, is he?

Animal being the late great Ronnie Verrell, who was the drummer in The Frank Skinner Show's house band.

Johnny Yesno

Quote from: SpiderChrist on October 19, 2021, 03:04:55 PM
Animal being the late great Ronnie Verrell, who was the drummer in The Frank Skinner Show's house band.

Ah, I wondered who it was. One of the reasons Animal was so funny was because they went to a lot of trouble to make him look and sound right.

Johnny Yesno

Quote from: SpiderChrist on October 19, 2021, 10:11:02 AM
However, I have an old Louis Bellson EP called "Drummer's Holiday", which contains a sublimely danceable solo in the title tune. Doesn't interrupt the flow of the music, doesn't hang about like a bad smell either.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdEMkCCCj_0

I like that. I've not heard it before. I reckon it must have been an influence on the Grim Fandango soundtrack.

One of the suggested videos is another Bellson track with a fantastic solo:

Louie Bellson- The Hawk Talks (1955): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpvOccBtVl0

Johnny Yesno

Here's Buddy Rich again, likewise not interrupting the flow with his solo:

Buddy Rich's greatest performance (better audio): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPdj75sqeQs



And here he is totally interrupting the flow with his solo:

Buddy Rich West Side Story SOLO older UNBELIEVABLE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeYASJc_irs

This must be the from scene in West Side Story where the Sharks and the Jets have a Gatling gun battle in a firework factory.

jamiefairlie

They're all shite, it's why punk had to happen after all.


Johnny Yesno

Quote from: jamiefairlie on October 20, 2021, 12:19:24 AM
They're all shite, it's why punk had to happen after all.

Buddy Rich embodies so much of what I like about punk and hardcore.

Twonty Gostelow

Two drummers that can be subtle and sensitive, but here's their more muscular side:

Dennis Chambers (echoes of Bonham and looks like he sweated 10lbs off)

Sonny Emory

Video Game Fan 2000

Quote from: Johnny Yesno on October 20, 2021, 12:36:45 AM
Buddy Rich embodies so much of what I like about punk and hardcore.

Being at his best on lo-fi recordings?

Johnny Yesno

Quote from: Video Game Fan 2000 on October 20, 2021, 01:18:49 AM
Being at his best on lo-fi recordings?

Inasmuch as his playing is exciting to listen to because it is in service to the noise and the energy rather than the detail, then yes.

peanutbutter

how many drum solos were spread across that How the West Was Won live compilation and the double DVD led zeppelin set in the early 00s? Main thing I got from that whole series as a 14 year old was that I was utterly sick of John Bonham

H-O-W-L

Surely the drum solo in Jump Into The Fire counts as good? Surely?

Dr Rock


boki


idunnosomename

Quote from: peanutbutter on October 20, 2021, 12:27:29 PM
how many drum solos were spread across that How the West Was Won live compilation and the double DVD led zeppelin set in the early 00s? Main thing I got from that whole series as a 14 year old was that I was utterly sick of John Bonham
theres a 15 minute moby dick from the albert hall and a 20 min one from LA.

Be thankful there's never been an official release of any of his latter ones when it was often introduced as "Over the Top". The longest was nearly 35 minutes in 1977. They reeled the stupidly long solos in a fair bit after that year (didnt tour 78 because Plant's son died, but 79 and 80  - of which there is some of Knebworth on the DVD)

Bongo_Christ

Dunno if I'm a bit late for all this but here's some Benny Greb to try to change your mind:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ryd0yS_KW9M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLh0AgSrjt0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDIGrvG6lL8

What I like about Greb is that he's not just a blindingly good technician who doesn't mind busting out a few crowd-pleasing gimmicks once in a while, but he keeps focus on what's actually interesting about listening to the drums - the groove. No endless minutes of fugga-dugga here, just imaginative, dynamic explorations of funkiness.