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Does absolutely no- one on 'ere watch HIGNFY anymore?

Started by Lisa Jesusandmarychain, November 02, 2021, 10:30:26 PM

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The Mollusk

Yeah the Boris stuff was not dissimilar from 4chan's "lol we memed a president into office" thing with Trump. The world is, or at least should be, looking back on that particular shade of irony in disgust and embarrassment now. Simply gaffing about how Boris is a bad guy now is somehow worse than not saying anything at all, as it contributes to the blurring unreality of everything where people are happy to watch whatever's on at the present time that's vaguely lampooning anything else. Shower of fucking shite.

Johnny Yesno

And Fin 'Bomb Jeremy Corbyn fans' Taylor is emblematic of everything that is still wrong with the show.

But anonymous twitter trolls are the problem with current political discourse, apparently.

The Mollusk

Oh yeah absolutely, it's never the people in power or the influencers who are to blame, it's the average person on the street. They walk among us, you can't trust anyone. Vote Conservative.

Johnny Foreigner

Is this Fin Taylor chap a latter-day Kenny Everett, then?

Johnny Yesno

Quote from: Johnny Foreigner on November 04, 2021, 10:56:07 AM
Is this Fin Taylor chap a latter-day Kenny Everett, then?

He's not even got a single atom of Everett's wit, so no.

Johnny Yesno

I mean, pick a video at random...

Fin Taylor: "I'm Done With Dating Hippies!" | Stand Up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVv-z_Es4s8

Chollis


Johnny Yesno


Johnny Foreigner

Quote from: Johnny Yesno on November 04, 2021, 11:21:32 AM
I mean, pick a video at random...

Fin Taylor: "I'm Done With Dating Hippies!" | Stand Up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVv-z_Es4s8

Hmmm, okay... I'm not convinced that spouting random trivia or drinking coffee is a characteristic of left-wing people.

The Mollusk

I was waiting for some sort of conclusion to the gender pay gap routine but there isn't one. He just says that it's bad in a really unoriginal way and then there's something else he chooses to inarticulately and unfunnily jab at. And you'd have to be a fucking Neanderthal to find the vegan material funny honestly, baffling that a relatively young crowd thinks that routine is relevant or good at all.

Johnny Yesno

Quote from: The Mollusk on November 04, 2021, 12:16:03 PM
I was waiting for some sort of conclusion to the gender pay gap routine but there isn't one. He just says that it's bad in a really unoriginal way and then there's something else he chooses to inarticulately and unfunnily jab at.

He's so desperate to get the description of the rekt downstairs in that he leaves the morality of it hanging at 'Well, you need to take time off', which is the exact opposite of what you'd want from someone who claims to give a shit about the gender pay gap.

Pitiful.

Kankurette

Quote from: The Mollusk on November 04, 2021, 09:49:01 AM
Yeah the Boris stuff was not dissimilar from 4chan's "lol we memed a president into office" thing with Trump. The world is, or at least should be, looking back on that particular shade of irony in disgust and embarrassment now. Simply gaffing about how Boris is a bad guy now is somehow worse than not saying anything at all, as it contributes to the blurring unreality of everything where people are happy to watch whatever's on at the present time that's vaguely lampooning anything else. Shower of fucking shite.
If I was involved with that show I'd be hanging my head in shame over the normalisation of monsters like Johnson. The fawning over right-wing posh men and treating them as lovable eccentrics is something I hate about this country (see also; Phil).

Johnny Yesno

At least they didn't normalise the left, though, eh? Phew!

Shit Good Nose

I think the last one I watched was the last one Rees-Mogg was on, which must be 5 or 6 years ago, and even then the rot was well in and I was only watching it out of habit really.


If there is anyone that believes Hislop or is still doubting that the show had anything to do with Boris becoming PM, Rees-Mogg - my local MP - has many many times admitted and attributed his rise in the party solely to appearing on HIGNFY.

BeardFaceMan

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Quote from: Shit Good Nose on November 04, 2021, 02:34:19 PM
I think the last one I watched was the last one Rees-Mogg was on, which must be 5 or 6 years ago, and even then the rot was well in and I was only watching it out of habit really.


If there is anyone that believes Hislop or is still doubting that the show had anything to do with Boris becoming PM, Rees-Mogg - my local MP - has many many times admitted and attributed his rise in the party solely to appearing on HIGNFY.

Well, clearly, it's maddening to hear Hislop say they had nothing to do with Boris getting popular, of course they fucking did. They didn't do it intentionally, I'm not even sure Boris did at first, but that's what happened and it seems very, very silly to say otherwise. A politician going on HIGNFY to ingratiate themselves to the public became a thing, so a cunt like Rees-Mogg sees that and before you know it he's on there laying on the upper class charm telling everyone they're a good egg (oh how eccentric, we love those don't we?!) and you've got Victoria Coren-Mitchell in the chair telling him how sexy he is. It's fucking blatant and it works, and it'll carry on working while twats like Hislop sit there denying all knowledge of it.

Johnny Foreigner

I remember one Boris-presented episode where Sue Perkins was poking fun at him for stretching out his arms when he was talking about aeroplanes.

Only goes to show, doesn't it?

JamesTC


HamishMacbeth

Quote from: BeardFaceMan on November 04, 2021, 03:58:01 PM
Well, clearly, it's maddening to hear Hislop say they had nothing to do with Boris getting popular, of course they fucking did. They didn't do it intentionally, I'm not even sure Boris did at first, but that's what happened and it seems very, very silly to say otherwise. A politician going on HIGNFY to ingratiate themselves to the public became a thing, so a cunt like Rees-Mogg sees that and before you know it he's on there laying on the upper class charm telling everyone they're a good egg (oh how eccentric, we love those don't we?!) and you've got Victoria Coren-Mitchell in the chair telling him how sexy he is. It's fucking blatant and it works, and it'll carry on working while twats like Hislop sit there denying all knowledge of it.

I guess I've always found it too easy an answer. Seems easy to believe because it was right there, it happened while we were looking. That must be it.

Hislop's idea that it couldn't be them because they were making fun of him is obviously nonsense, but who booked Boris, and why? Why did people who saw him on HIGNFY care more about that than anything else you could go find out about him? Why do those people remember a comedy panel show and not Question Time in 2012 when you could see Benjamin Zephaniah call him a "very, very, dangerous person." And why do people care less about the endorsement of a black poet with a working class accent, than a faceless talent booker at the BBC.

I'm sure HIGNFY is in there, just feels like a better answer is "a spoonful of HIGNFY and a whole bunch of other really bad things about who we are as a society."

Johnny Foreigner

Quote from: JamesTC on November 04, 2021, 04:28:37 PM
Have I Got Cunts For You

Well, I no longer watch it, but the t'other day, I was watching this panel show about church benches, called Have I Got Pews For You.
No, wait, I was watching this panel show about snooker, called Have I Got Cues For You.
No, wait, I was watching this panel show about toilets, called Have I Got Loos For You.
No, wait, I was watching this panel show about beer, called Have I Got Brews For You.
No, wait, I was watching this panel show about cattle, called Have I Got Moos For You.
No, wait, I was watching this panel show about electric safety devices, called Have I Got Fuse For You.

Famous Mortimer

Quote from: HamishMacbeth on November 04, 2021, 04:45:31 PM
I guess I've always found it too easy an answer. Seems easy to believe because it was right there, it happened while we were looking. That must be it.

Hislop's idea that it couldn't be them because they were making fun of him is obviously nonsense, but who booked Boris, and why? Why did people who saw him on HIGNFY care more about that than anything else you could go find out about him? Why do those people remember a comedy panel show and not Question Time in 2012 when you could see Benjamin Zephaniah call him a "very, very, dangerous person." And why do people care less about the endorsement of a black poet with a working class accent, than a faceless talent booker at the BBC.

I'm sure HIGNFY is in there, just feels like a better answer is "a spoonful of HIGNFY and a whole bunch of other really bad things about who we are as a society."
It's easy because the people involved said as much themselves. Sometimes the easy answer is the right one.

As to the rest of it, are you looking for something more than "more people watch HIGNFY than Question Time"?

HamishMacbeth

Quote from: Famous Mortimer on November 04, 2021, 05:20:17 PM
It's easy because the people involved said as much themselves. Sometimes the easy answer is the right one.

As to the rest of it, are you looking for something more than "more people watch HIGNFY than Question Time"?

Ah but then you can ask why more people watch HIGNFY than Question Time and go back forever!

No, you're probably right. It just always feels like it's an attempt to avoid more, I dunno? Self-reflective questions.

Johnny Yesno

Quote from: HamishMacbeth on November 04, 2021, 05:31:29 PM
Ah but then you can ask why more people watch HIGNFY than Question Time and go back forever!

No, you're probably right. It just always feels like it's an attempt to avoid more, I dunno? Self-reflective questions.

I think you're right that it is part of a wider peculiarly British malaise of being blinded by a 'character' but HIGNFY was the vehicle that propelled the character of lolboris into the public's imagination. Something similar happened with the original Spitting Image, where if you had a puppet, it was a sign you had arrived.

Hislop should have seen it coming - I remember watching it at the time yelling 'What the fuck do you think you're doing, you idiot?' at his aw-bless face. Of course he won't admit to it because that would mean he was had by a sneak. And De Pfeffel is a sneak. He might not have had a plan for the character of lolboris but he's an adaptable sneak. A throw-as-much-shit-at-the-wall-as-you-can-and-see-what-sticks sneak. A sneak with a sister who admitted that no one in their family calls him Boris.

And when the likes of Hislop and the so-called 'centrists' realised what was going on, their answer was to attack someone who didn't play the game and instead present us with a characterless character to oppose De Pfeffel. Because that's the opposite of what you were expecting, you see? Which is clever. So very, very clever.

And now we are where we are.

Brundle-Fly

Quote from: Johnny Foreigner on November 04, 2021, 11:39:47 AM
Hmmm, okay... I'm not convinced that spouting random trivia or drinking coffee is a characteristic of left-wing people.

I found his observations about left wing people rather baffling.  Knowing a bit of trivia is not monopolised by people who talk in the voice of either Hinge or Brackett, surely?

HamishMacbeth

Quote from: Johnny Yesno on November 04, 2021, 06:25:20 PM
I think you're right that it is part of a wider peculiarly British malaise of being blinded by a 'character' but HIGNFY was the vehicle that propelled the character of lolboris into the public's imagination. Something similar happened with the original Spitting Image, where if you had a puppet, it was a sign you had arrived.

Hislop should have seen it coming - I remember watching it at the time yelling 'What the fuck do you think you're doing, you idiot?' at his aw-bless face. Of course he won't admit to it because that would mean he was had by a sneak. And De Pfeffel is a sneak. He might not have had a plan for the character of lolboris but he's an adaptable sneak. A throw-as-much-shit-at-the-wall-as-you-can-and-see-what-sticks sneak. A sneak with a sister who admitted that no one in their family calls him Boris.

And when the likes of Hislop and the so-called 'centrists' realised what was going on, their answer was to attack someone who didn't play the game and instead present us with a characterless character to oppose De Pfeffel. Because that's the opposite of what you were expecting, you see? Which is clever. So very, very clever.

And now we are where we are.

Mmm, Yes. I think I do actually agree with most of this.

I had a similar problem with Hislop during the Leveson Inquiry, when he seemed to be presented to the public as there to list the worst and most egregious actions of the gutter press, but actually did everything he could to undermine any moves towards greater regulation on the grounds that Private Eye would be affected, and the Eye is the only thing holding back 1984 or something.

thenoise

Quote from: Brundle-Fly on November 04, 2021, 06:39:28 PM
I found his observations about left wing people rather baffling.  Knowing a bit of trivia is not monopolised by people who talk in the voice of either Hinge or Brackett, surely?

Feel like he's referring to one particular person he had an argument with, once.

Maybe even himself before his "awakening".

canadagoose

I stopped watching it a few years back. 2015, maybe? I remember seeing an episode in about 2018 and it was so unfunny and tired, I just had to leave the room (I was at my parents'). I'll try again if there's a good lineup coming on.

Johnny Yesno

Quote from: thenoise on November 04, 2021, 07:34:12 PM
Feel like he's referring to one particular person he had an argument with, once.

Maybe even himself before his "awakening".

Or his asleepening. My money's on him turning his fire towards the woke when his shit comedy career founders.

Lisa Jesusandmarychain

Quote from: Johnny Yesno on November 04, 2021, 11:21:32 AM
I mean, pick a video at random...

Fin Taylor: "I'm Done With Dating Hippies!" | Stand Up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVv-z_Es4s8

Just watched that video. I hereby withdraw my previous support for Fin Taylor. " the left wingers!!" Fuck Off.

Jake Thingray

Slightly off-topic, but was annoyed by an interview with Hislop in the Grauniad last weekend claiming Milligan and the unbearable Goon Show was the real originator of satire, and Python was only an imitation; like the Tory press, the Private Eye lot still can't forgive the Pythons for being the only remnant of 60's Oxbridge comedy that people actually remember, despite Cleese and now Gilliam becoming increasingly anti-woke. The former "it's a legover question" spouter was claiming to have co-written a play about the Goons, tellingly it was rejected by the BBC and will apparently be produced at a venue specialising in old-fashioned fare, perfect as the elderly are the only age group for tee-hee-nicky-nacky-noo-rationing.

Johnny Foreigner

I like The Goon Show. I think it has aged rather well, because its mainstay is absurd silliness and silly absurdity, rather than topical comedy.
Which is also why I disagree about its being a progenitor of the 60s Satire Boom. Hancock and Take It From Here were more satirical than the Goons.