Glinna sadda defeata: 13 going on TERFy: How do you 13eat 13eaver 13other

[HamishMacbeth]

I couldn't get further than three paragraphs in. "WE CALL THEM BUGMEN, THEY'RE JITTERY AND BUG-EYED, YOU'RE SURROUNDED BY THESE BOVINE CREATURES" zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

imagine posting hosting this convoluted excuse to call people names on your Serious Journalism blog

then again if it's good enough for the BBC etc.

I know it's typical to pull a Graham and shout "THIS IS BIG" whenever he unpeels another banana, but this one does feel pretty big. If you'd told me a few months ago he'd be publishing fairly obvious fash manifestos and describing the revelatory feelings they gave him, I'd be shocked.

I mean, I knew it would happen eventually but he's way ahead of schedule.

Edit: Gotta say, didn't think I had a single shred of sympathy left for Graham in my jaded old soul, but the fact that a comedy writer who has talked about the social element of television, how much he loves TV, how laugh tracks are a creative tool to make shows feel more communal etc. has been so warped by his hatred for trans people, that he will endorse this;

A consumer will buy the box-set of their favourite TV show because they genuinely enjoyed the viewing, perhaps they'll watch 3-4 episodes a week around other commitments, a bugman on the other hand subscribes to multiple streaming services and binges series after series in the ever expanding quest for acceptance, when asked how they found Stranger Things, Rick & Morty, Bojack Horseman, Breaking Bad, Game of Thrones etc. the bugman does not offer insight into their personal opinion, only regurgitates a titbit or quote from the series as a means to display their virtue of consumption. "I too have seen the thing you have!" A network of insects whose lives are routinely controlled by ratings: theirs and others. They must advance their rating by subsuming the other which is rated highly. 'Everyone liked this, so if I like this, everyone will like me!"

...I dunno. It gets me a bit. What a waste of life / brain / talent... whatever.

[DreadedScotsman]

It's still not clear whether Caroline Lowbridge failed to research her sources (bad) or researched them but concealed the facts from the article (actively evil) but either way, I think her name should become a synonym for some kind of journalistic fuck up. "You've crossed a really Lowbridge there, Sonia."

She contacted a trans woman called Chelsea Poe who works in the sex industry and had worked with Lily Cade she told them about the accusations against Cade and that she'd admitted them and Lowbridge and the BBC chose not to publish that information and still chose to keep Cade as a contributor  so they actively concealed facts

[Buttered Ghost]

a bugman on the other hand subscribes to multiple streaming services and binges series after series in the ever expanding quest for acceptance, when asked how they found Stranger Things, Rick & Morty, Bojack Horseman, Breaking Bad, Game of Thrones etc.

Ah yes, Breaking Bad, that award-winning drama about a nerdy middle-aged cancer patient who, after a shock discovery near his 50th birthday, abandons his day job for a life of crime, gradually alienating all his friends and family - particularly, his brother-in-law - as his ego problems, which were actually always there to begin with but just needed a little push, get worse and worse.

Also most memorable for creating a protagonist whose actions, originally well-intentioned, gradually become more and more unhinged and indefensible the more deeply entrenched into his new life he gets.

[Buttered Ghost]

Had a good laugh looking at his old Reddit AMA:

What show, series, scene, or episode do you think you'll be most remembered for when you're dead?

That is a fantastic question, Andrew. I wonder what scene or episode Graham Linehan is going to be most remembered for when he dies...

[Barry Admin]

Just looked up this Bug Man stuff myself. Seems to be a 4 year old /pol/ meme that's like "soy boy" but more about consumerism. Bizarre to think that Linehan is feeding more /pol/ shit to Grannies who pay him their state pension.

Edit: judging by this comment he must have forgotten the current year again? He really struggled with that in a recent Mess too.

I wondered about that!

Graham, is it 2022 already? Or is it a peek at the coming wave...

[Ballad of Ballard Berkley]

Ah yes, Breaking Bad, that award-winning drama about a nerdy middle-aged cancer patient who, after a shock discovery near his 50th birthday, abandons his day job for a life of crime, gradually alienating all his friends and family - particularly, his brother-in-law - as his ego problems, which were actually always there to begin with but just needed a little push, get worse and worse.

Also most memorable for creating a protagonist whose actions, originally well-intentioned, gradually become more and more unhinged and indefensible the more deeply entrenched into his new life he gets.

Hahaha. Actual laughter from me there.

[ImmaculateClump]

Just looked up this Bug Man stuff myself.

I got as far as "some blur song"
added "urbandictionary" - "a gay lad who has hiv"
then I accidentally put in "bugboy" and came up with "an apprentice jockey"
at this point I got distracted and started searching for literally anything else.

Say what you like like about Glinner and his journalism, but he's clearly putting slightly more than the bare amount of effort into his research.

[Mister Six]

She contacted a trans woman called Chelsea Poe who works in the sex industry and had worked with Lily Cade she told them about the accusations against Cade and that she'd admitted them and Lowbridge and the BBC chose not to publish that information and still chose to keep Cade as a contributor  so they actively concealed facts

Is there a source for this? It's appalling.

[The Guppy]

The Guardian mention it here.

On Wednesday Chelsea Poe, a trans porn performer, said she had told the BBC journalist behind the article that Cade had been accused of sexual misconduct and was no longer working in the porn industry, but said she had not been quoted in the piece. A source at the BBC said the journalist behind the story had spoken to Poe but an editorial judgment was made not to quote her because the general conversation was deemed not relevant to the piece.

Katy Montgomerie interviewed Chelsea Poe yesterday but I haven't watched it yet.

(edited to fix links)

[Dr Rock]

Katy Montgomerie interviewed Chelsea Poe yesterday but I haven't watched it yet.
[/quote]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Y-maZbwo6c

[The Guppy]

Oops, ta. Dunno why my links don't work. Is it an anti-spam thing here?
edit: it was not that, it was that I am a pillock.

On topic, Graham Linehan is a right cunt in't he?

[Dr Rock]

Can someone compile all his activities, socks and all, and present it to the police?

[buttgammon]

This 'bugman' nonsense is another example of how bad Glinner and his ilk are at communication - how many of us had even heard that word elsewhere? This sort of 4chan jargon is just going to present a brickwall to anyone who isn't online enough.

[Ham Bap]

Someone need to release a Christmas Annual every year of wot Glinner has been up to.
I dont keep up and have no idea what hes done in the last 12 months. It could be read aloud to the family each Christmas Eve.

[Zetetic]

I thought this shouldn't be lost. A group without a clear legal identity like TAC might not be ideal for Barry, but it's worth thinking about why they're a good shout:
- Run by trans people, not just about trans people (which seems a reasonable criticism of Mermaids for example)
- Heavy focus on people's most urgent needs, rather than things that can be more easily marketed as trans related - food and shelter for marginalised people (rather than trying to backfill the NHS)

On the second, this is going to be a difficult winter for many people and some people are particularly vulnerable.

They're also actually very open about their fundraising and use of funds: https://opencollective.com/transaidcymru/transactions

And they're on the LGBT Consortium (which is a registered charity) directory: https://www.consortium.lgbt/member-directory/trans-aid-cymru/ (Might find other options there.)

So they might be a safe enough choice after all.

[HamishMacbeth]

This 'bugman' nonsense is another example of how bad Glinner and his ilk are at communication - how many of us had even heard that word elsewhere? This sort of 4chan jargon is just going to present a brickwall to anyone who isn't online enough.

More propaganda pointed in. So many TERF issues are these papier maché monsters being operated by pullies and wires just outside the city walls so nobody thinks it's safe to leave.

[fancywookiee]

This 'bugman' nonsense is another example of how bad Glinner and his ilk are at communication - how many of us had even heard that word elsewhere? This sort of 4chan jargon is just going to present a brickwall to anyone who isn't online enough.

I hadn't even heard it as an expression before today and then it came up on something else where anti-progressives were using it to talk about presenters giving a brief description of themselves up front in YouTube videos, as an accessibility measure for visually impaired/blind folks.

I'm going to file it along with "NPC" and "Soyboy" as just more 4Chan nonsense. I'm so glad I have to devote mental space to knowing what reactionary buzzwords are in vogue. But you're right, it's only necessary if you are kinda online as a means of spotting obvious bad faith actors. Not that I'm at all insinuating that our Graham and his blog pals are anything of the sort 👀.

Honestly, I was gonna say the internet was a mistake but actually I think that first fish who decided to grow legs has got a lot to answer for.

[chveik]

must be fun for trans people working for the BBC

[retsuza]

Ah yes, Breaking Bad, that award-winning drama about a nerdy middle-aged cancer patient who, after a shock discovery near his 50th birthday, abandons his day job for a life of crime, gradually alienating all his friends and family - particularly, his brother-in-law - as his ego problems, which were actually always there to begin with but just needed a little push, get worse and worse.

Also most memorable for creating a protagonist whose actions, originally well-intentioned, gradually become more and more unhinged and indefensible the more deeply entrenched into his new life he gets.

Incredible.

This 'bugman' nonsense is another example of how bad Glinner and his ilk are at communication - how many of us had even heard that word elsewhere? This sort of 4chan jargon is just going to present a brickwall to anyone who isn't online enough.

I've heard of it, because I'm extremely online and still come across 4chan nonsense and conservative outrage shit but you're absolutely right, the vast majority are not going to know what they're talking about.

Reminds me at work we had a Zoom meeting with new people, and to make conversation a guy brought up how "Coca Cola is telling employees to be less white". I had heard of that as some overblown outrage of the week for conservatives but I wasn't about to have a conversation about it so I just stayed silent. Everyone else in the call had no idea what he was even talking about and answered mainly with confusion.

[phantom_power]

More propaganda pointed in. So many TERF issues are these papier maché monsters being operated by pullies and wires just outside the city walls so nobody thinks it's safe to leave.

Yeah it is so much bullshit to try to explain people they don't understand. Culture has moved on and they can't handle it. It is obvious from their stance on trans people but also stuff like this where their safe, old-fashioned view of television as being about tuning in same time next week and just about stretches to box-sets is completely at odds with how people consume media nowadays. Rather than just seeing that this is how the world works and progress happens for better or worse they have to pathologise it and come up with ridiculous explanations

[madhair60]

Bugmen shit is actively frightening

[HamishMacbeth]

Reminds me at work we had a Zoom meeting with new people, and to make conversation a guy brought up how "Coca Cola is telling employees to be less white". I had heard of that as some overblown outrage of the week for conservatives but I wasn't about to have a conversation about it so I just stayed silent. Everyone else in the call had no idea what he was even talking about and answered mainly with confusion.

Similarly, has anyone in this thread ever spotted one of the TERF Rights stickers out in the wild? The only time I've ever seen one was stuck on a local cafe run by a trans person, which seems more like the people who throw bacon over the walls of mosques than evidence of a movement out there.

[Kankurette]

No, thankfully, though I've seen many, many pro-trans stickers.

[MigraineBoy]

Similarly, has anyone in this thread ever spotted one of the TERF Rights stickers out in the wild? The only time I've ever seen one was stuck on a local cafe run by a trans person, which seems more like the people who throw bacon over the walls of mosques than evidence of a movement out there.

One on the pillar opposite the Lego Store in Liverpool One - applied so low down & at such a weird angle, I can only assume the applicant had done it as a "stick and run" or covertly while appearing to just be leaning against the pillar.

Straight in the bin.

[pk1yen]

their very demeanour often makes one's skin crawl. You're more than likely surrounded by hoards of these bovine-esque people in day-to-day life

This opener wouldn't be out of place in a /pol/ alt-right manifesto. Rehashed NPC shit.

Culturally of course they're near impossible to pin down for they cut all cultural roots at the base in fear of representation with the past.

Am I wrong in thinking this is bordering on fash-adjacent white-culture-erasure type shit ... ?

Written in a piece calling people insects, it has slightly uncomfortable implications.

The simple matter of fact is they have zero respect or tolerance for anything antiquated or traditional

Starting to get pretty ukippy up in here. It's been a slow march, but BC seems to finally be getting there.

[dead-ced-dead]

Yeah it is so much bullshit to try to explain people they don't understand. Culture has moved on and they can't handle it. It is obvious from their stance on trans people but also stuff like this where their safe, old-fashioned view of television as being about tuning in same time next week and just about stretches to box-sets is completely at odds with how people consume media nowadays. Rather than just seeing that this is how the world works and progress happens for better or worse they have to pathologise it and come up with ridiculous explanations

That was the first thing that struck me. I still have a few box sets from back in the day that occasionally get watched, but only because I already own them. But why, in 2021, would I choose to watch shows on a DVD boxset in 480p, with its slow loading time, adverts and animated menus? Not when I can go on Amazon Prime and watch HD shows within seconds.

It's not 2002 anymore, BC. Get with the times.

[Mr Trumpet]

Not happy with this appropriation of Bugman by the baddies

[retsuza]

How people consume their media makes no difference to me whatsover, break out the VHS tapes if that's what you like the best. But its just absurd to deride people who use streaming services because that's like the vast majority of how people watch film and tv now. And it doesn't make you part of some special in-group because you watch your old DVDs.

[thr0b]

I bet BC makes more from DVDs than streaming.

TheItCRowD DVDs were tremendous productions, weren't they? Better in many ways than the show itself.

(I didn't buy the final ones of them. Because by that point I didn't care to.)

[Jack Shaftoe]

Not happy with this appropriation of Bugman by the baddies

As a Warhammer nerd, I just wanted to say how happy I am to see the streams crossing in this thread.

Here's a nice thing: one of my 13yr old daughter's friends identifies as male and is referred to as 'he'. What's interesting is you wouldn't necessarily read him as male from the way he dresses, definitely looks more feminine, albeit with short hair, wore a skirt round at hours for a D&D game and that but it doesn't seem to be thing for daughter or her friends, they just respect his decision to change his name and pronouns and that's it really. It also feels like there's room for kids of that age to experiment a bit and try things out without having to commit either way, which seems pretty healthy. Much more understanding of the concept of gender as a spectrum rather than one side of the other.

I do feel this lot are working through all the stuff at secondary school my generation couldn't do until university. All quite encouraging.