Tip jar

If you like CaB and wish to support it, you can use PayPal or KoFi. Thank you, and I hope you continue to enjoy the site - Neil.

Buy Me a Coffee at ko-fi.com

Support CaB

Recent

Welcome to Cook'd and Bomb'd. Please login or sign up.

March 28, 2024, 09:13:36 PM

Login with username, password and session length

Glinna sadda defeata: 13 going on TERFy: How do you 13eat 13eaver 13other

Started by madhair60, November 03, 2021, 10:22:58 PM

Previous topic - Next topic

DreadedScotsman

Quote from: pk1yen on November 25, 2021, 12:15:14 PMThe term "gender critical" also makes zero sense to anyone not already immersed in the language. It sounds like they're generally in favour of liberalised gender identity, critical of traditional binary gender roles or something. I might ask a few people later and see what they think it means. I'm 90% sure nobody will get it right, if they aren't already aware of how the Cunt's gone Bananas.

They argue that they are critical of stereotypical gender roles and that men and women should be able to be masculine or feminine without being "transed". They think that being trans is just wanting to wear a dress or makeup. But even then the unhinged screeching at anyone who is generally gender non conforming in appearance shows that their "critical" analysis is just thinly disguised bigotry thst doesn't stand up to even the tiniest bit of scrutiny

JaDanketies

Quote from: DreadedScotsman on November 25, 2021, 01:25:07 PMThey argue that they are critical of stereotypical gender roles

... unlike all those other feminists, who think stereotypical gender roles are fine and dandy. It's like saying that you're 'pro-worker', because who isn't?, but spending all your time being anti-immigrant.  The EDL saying "I'm just standing up for the forgotten working class" kinda bollocks.

Only a tiny number of neo-conservative traditionalists would say they are not "critical of stereotypical gender roles." It's a massive non-position.

Quote from: DreadedScotsman on November 25, 2021, 01:25:07 PMBut even then the unhinged screeching at anyone who is generally gender non conforming in appearance shows that their "critical" analysis is just thinly disguised bigotry

For example




idunnosomename

Cant stop laughing at the boomer slideshow made by a Linehan orbiter


Its the jaunty music and how justice is served through the medium of tweets. Incomprehensible to any normal person


I also doubt there's enough death threats in the whole country to paper that house, tbh

pk1yen

Quote from: idunnosomename on November 25, 2021, 01:40:47 PMCant stop laughing at the boomer slideshow made by a Linehan orbiter


Its the jaunty music and how justice is served through the medium of tweets. Incomprehensible to any normal person


The style of this video is genuinely amazing. Pure boomer energy. Those randomised powerpoint-style transitions. Like it was made in Windows Movie Maker on Windows XP circa 2004 for a school assembly.

This could genuinely be a new vaporwave/Tim and Eric-esque style for the 2020s, now VHS is old-hat.

phantom_power

We don't believe in gender stereotypes

On another note, look at all these ridiculous people who don't conform to gender stereotypes

DreadedScotsman

Quote from: Better Midlands on November 25, 2021, 01:36:43 PMFor example



I knew the contestants and presenters on the new Gamesmaster would boil the piss of all the right people.

 As an aside it is a surprisingly good "reboot" and brought a decent amount of diversity to things, first contestant was a non binary person, second was a lesbian couple, there are now 3 presenters 2 poc one of whom is heavily pregnant and it manages to be as much cringey fun as the original minus the creepy dick jokes made towards children. I'd thoroughly recommend anyone with a passibg interest to check it out on YouTube the entire first episode is up there

Quote from: idunnosomename on November 25, 2021, 01:40:47 PMCant stop laughing at the boomer slideshow made by a Linehan orbiter

As Barry pointed out

QuoteDon't side with the bullies

[/transition]

...but do let them know your real identity on December 19th.

retsuza


Retinend

Quote from: idunnosomename on November 25, 2021, 01:40:47 PMCant stop laughing at the boomer slideshow made by a Linehan orbiter


Its the jaunty music and how justice is served through the medium of tweets. Incomprehensible to any normal person

It makes your skin crawl and laugh at the same time. There should be a word for that. A "glinnerism".

Kankurette

Quote from: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on November 25, 2021, 08:53:26 AMIt's a common thing among right-wing ideologues to portray "the enemy" as simultaneously an all-powerful threat and a stupid dumb irrelevance who will be easily vanquished.
Jews, for instance. We're pathetic and weak and yet we also control the world and are responsible for all the world's ills.
Quote from: Janie Jones on November 25, 2021, 11:00:23 AMI'm not denying that's what you've observed but it's definitely not my experience. The couple of people I know who proudly identify as Terfs are vegan eco-activist anti-racist socialists.
Leftist TERFs absolutely do exist. Just look at r/stupidpol and all the anti-trans stuff there. And then there's all the ex-Labour Party members.

TommyTurnips

Alex Jones uses the same tactic. The globalists are either really weak and easily defeated or really powerful and are about to defeat us so we need you to support so give me money by buying my dumb pills.

phantom_power

It is International Day for the Elimination of Violence Against Women day so rather than use that to highlight the real issues affecting women in this area and showing solidarity to women everywhere, some people are using to go on about trans women and #sexnotgender. The worst sort are the pseudo-scientists that say that sex is binary and immutable and trans and non-binary can't even be scientifically defined. I can't be arsed to argue with them but it would be interesting to see how they thing "sex" should be defined because if you do it either chromosomally or by sex organs, which are the two definitions that TERFs most like to use, it is by no means black and white and you get men and women who wouldn't fit their "sex" category on either count

thr0b

Quote from: Retinend on November 25, 2021, 02:50:59 PMIt makes your skin crawl and laugh at the same time. There should be a word for that. A "glinnerism".

Of course the user is called "Clive". A name I've always associated with a boring middle-management type in the 1980s, who now retired seethes at his keyboard when he realises he used to think he was hip and with it, and now he's not hip, and he doesn't know what "it" is, other than he doesn't like "it", and wishes it were simple like when he was 30 and his kids still lived with him, and his wife and he talked about things other than Emmerdale and what her down the road has done with her garden since her husband passed.

dead-ced-dead

Quote from: thr0b on November 25, 2021, 03:26:34 PMOf course the user is called "Clive". A name I've always associated with a boring middle-management type in the 1980s, who now retired seethes at his keyboard when he realises he used to think he was hip and with it, and now he's not hip, and he doesn't know what "it" is, other than he doesn't like "it", and wishes it were simple like when he was 30 and his kids still lived with him, and his wife and he talked about things other than Emmerdale and what her down the road has done with her garden since her husband passed.

This was so depressing to imagine it actually made my hair stand up on end.

king_tubby


Barry Admin

Quote from: DreadedScotsman on November 25, 2021, 01:25:07 PMThey argue that they are critical of stereotypical gender roles and that men and women should be able to be masculine or feminine without being "transed". They think that being trans is just wanting to wear a dress or makeup. But even then the unhinged screeching at anyone who is generally gender non conforming in appearance shows that their "critical" analysis is just thinly disguised bigotry thst doesn't stand up to even the tiniest bit of scrutiny

Best example of this recently was the John Lewis advert.

Apparently when they had Exulansic on yesterday, they discussed what to do if a boy likes girly things, and she - in her apparent wisdom - said, nothing. Do nothing. Leave him alone.

Yet when the John Lewis advert went to air, they all lost their shit, and Linehan himself painted it as "part of the trans agenda" because "John Lewis has been captured."

phantom_power

Is there any evidence that tomboys/girls aren't just being allowed to be tomboys but being forced down the trans route? You would think there would at least be some seed to this bananacunt plant

Mister Six

Has Glinner said anything about Peng Shuai, the Chinese tennis pro who claimed that a high-ranking member of the Communist Party of China sexually assaulted her, and who was then disappeared from public view after her allegation was wiped from the Chinese internet?

You know, since he's so concerned about dangers to women and the importance of women's sports...

madhair60

Quote from: Mister Six on November 25, 2021, 04:44:55 PMHas Glinner said anything about Peng Shuai, the Chinese tennis pro who claimed that a high-ranking member of the Communist Party of China sexually assaulted her, and who was then disappeared from public view after her allegation was wiped from the Chinese internet?

You know, since he's so concerned about dangers to women and the importance of women's sports...

Actually, yes...


DreadedScotsman

Quote from: phantom_power on November 25, 2021, 04:36:05 PMIs there any evidence that tomboys/girls aren't just being allowed to be tomboys but being forced down the trans route? You would think there would at least be some seed to this bananacunt plant

They like to claim there's loads of evidence but it doesn't actually exist. They just repeat it as if it were true ad nauseam till someone calls them put then they shift the goalposts

buttgammon

For people who spend 23 hours a day arguing on the internet, how are they so bad at constructing an argument?

idunnosomename

Quote from: pk1yen on November 25, 2021, 01:59:05 PMThe style of this video is genuinely amazing. Pure boomer energy. Those randomised powerpoint-style transitions. Like it was made in Windows Movie Maker on Windows XP circa 2004 for a school assembly.

This could genuinely be a new vaporwave/Tim and Eric-esque style for the 2020s, now VHS is old-hat.
it's a program called Wondershare Anireel and it is primarily used for business presentations and storytelling in a meeting context (rather than online viral videos).

tempted to make a story of Graham Linehan one

JamesTC


Mister Six

Quote from: DreadedScotsman on November 25, 2021, 05:45:51 PMThey like to claim there's loads of evidence but it doesn't actually exist. They just repeat it as if it were true ad nauseam till someone calls them put then they shift the goalposts

I think it's basically just that people who would have identified as butch lesbians in the 1970s and 80s and felt slightly "off" about it their whole lives now have the language and concepts (and improved social acceptability) to realise their identities as trans men.

But there's a misperception among the older second-wave feminists (some of whom genuinely are butch lesbians) that it's the other way around - not that they used to be pals with trans men who didn't realise they were trans men, but that True Lesbians™️ are being led astray by them fancy gender politics you get now. Basically, people not changing with the times or being willing to reconsider their old viewpoints from another angle.

That then filters through the worm-riddled, sieve-like brains of the Twitter transphobes and gets interpreted as MERMAIDS ARE LITERALLY CAPTURING AND TRANSING OUR KIDS, without any real consideration as to how that would actually work or what it might mean.

Which means that to prove their conspiracy theory actually exists in the real world, they have to flail around and grasp onto anything that could possibly hint at evidence, which is how you end up with them tweeting their fury at John Lewis's Twitter account or looking for hidden messages in ads or whatever.

Same as the QAnon shit in that last aspect, I guess. At least they're just a bunch of passive-aggressive elderly internet addicts and not actively aggressive toxically masculine gun nuts. Small mercies.

Quote from: madhair60 on November 25, 2021, 04:54:45 PMActually, yes...

You genuinely got me, you rotter.

pk1yen

Quote from: idunnosomename on November 25, 2021, 06:14:39 PMit's a program called Wondershare Anireel and it is primarily used for business presentations and storytelling in a meeting context (rather than online viral videos).

tempted to make a story of Graham Linehan one

https://youtu.be/BhmjYj13Mzw?t=38

> "our text-to-speech options include options like speakers' genders"



(does anyone have the clean version of this gif handy?)

phantom_power

It just fails the basic test of "why?". If they are just grifters then there must be easier cons than transing kids

madhair60


Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse

Quote from: Mister Six on November 25, 2021, 07:01:38 PMI think it's basically just that people who would have identified as butch lesbians in the 1970s and 80s and felt slightly "off" about it their whole lives now have the language and concepts (and improved social acceptability) to realise their identities as trans men.

But there's a misperception among the older second-wave feminists (some of whom genuinely are butch lesbians) that it's the other way around - not that they used to be pals with trans men who didn't realise they were trans men, but that True Lesbians™️ are being led astray by them fancy gender politics you get now. Basically, people not changing with the times or being willing to reconsider their old viewpoints from another angle.
I agree with all of this. But also, I have a feeling that cis women who grew up in the 50s, 60s and 70s don't really understand what it's like to be a tomboy the way women who grew up from the 80s onward do. I was (and still am, to an extent) a tomboy, but I never wanted to be a boy. Me liking Transformers and Ninja Turtles didn't have this transgressive veil of "WOMEN ARE NOT ALLOWED TO DO THIS VERY VERY MALE THING" hanging over it. Older TERFs who are "concerned" about girls being "transed" don't realise that their daughters and granddaughters know the difference between liking something that's traditionally "for boys" and wanting to literally be a boy.