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QAnon Does Dallas, and where do they go from here

Started by Ferris, November 05, 2021, 06:27:11 PM

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Ferris

Quote from: Dex Sawash on November 06, 2021, 01:07:03 PM
Was going to say this was a Post-modern belief but looked it up and General Mills makes Cheerios, not Post.
fuckitpost

Never heard of this Post outfit until I noticed they are responsible for Shreddies these days[nb]a key snack for toddlers[/nb]. You take a few years out of the cereal world and the whole game changes.

kngen

I can't remember where I read it, but there was some research that claimed that a good 70% to 80% of QAnon acolytes are evangelicals. Which makes a certain amount of sense given the mental gymnastics they already indulge in to believe that Jesus was a big fan of accumulating wealth, poor people are solely to blame for all their problems and just saying that Jesus is in your heart absolves them of any negative consequences of their shitty behaviour.

It's the other percentage that baffles me. How do you get so far into that world without already being primed by the brainscrambling doublespeak of non-denom megachurches?

I'm sure most of you are familiar with it, but the QAnon Anonymous podcast - now that Q himself is no long active (as Q at least) - is doing some interesting on-the-ground reporting on the nexus between QAnon followers, California-style wellness grifters, soveriegn citizens, crystal woo merchants and the rest. You'd think that would be enough to marginlise them completely. Yet these are the loons that are now running for school boards and local government positions to fulfill Q's prophecies and ensure 'The Storm is Coming' ... again .... finally ... this time for sure. Hard not to fear the worst when you live in a state that's just flipped Republican from top to bottom.

I think the world has collectively turned a blind eye to prosperity gospel and its new, internet-enabled form over the past two decades which is notable because - the internet allows precision targetting of vulnerable groups, like non-english speaking immigrant communities and people in deep medical debt - and, part of how prosperity gospel works is a deluge of incoherent, absurd beliefs and statements to confound believers and quickly establish an in-group, its all about sunk cost.

These groups are incomprehensibly big and influential, and many of the people involved in prosperty gospel are also people involved in updating John Birch style conspiracies but amping them with Satanism and communist paedophile groups. It's a major place where "prophecy" and "conspiracy theory" comes together.


TrenterPercenter

Not sure if anyone has read it but Kurt Andersons Fantasy Land explains that America from its conception is a country built on conspiracy theories and extreme religious beliefs. Originally, and still to this day people believe that the seconding coming would occur in America.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/35171984-fantasyland

Did anyone here follow the "Blood Moons Prophecy" thing?

Noodle Lizard

Serious question: has anyone actually met a QAnonner in person? I'm sure we all know the odd conspiracy theorist, or at least conspiracy sympathisers, but I've never encountered anyone seriously suggesting the Q stuff specifically is true (including Alex Jones, the conspiracy subreddit etc.) It makes you wonder how much influence it really has outside of being a sort of internet meme, and its not-inconsiderable crossover with trolling communities supports that hypothesis, but it's somehow garnered such consistent mainstream attention that even my mum knows all about them. So is there an element of the Streisand effect in action, or are there actually significant pockets of society that genuinely believe in and act upon this (mid)information to this day?

Dex Sawash

I'm kind of sad I haven't met one. One apolitical guy at work who didn't really know what a Democrat or Republican was, got kind of trump-woke and started to sound like he was going to go proud boyish (there was a name of pro-trump biker-type thugs before PB that I don't remember now). He would probably have gone Q but wasn't literate enough to stay engaged with text based whackadoodlery.

kngen

Quote from: Noodle Lizard on November 06, 2021, 05:54:43 PM
Serious question: has anyone actually met a QAnonner in person? I'm sure we all know the odd conspiracy theorist, or at least conspiracy sympathisers, but I've never encountered anyone seriously suggesting the Q stuff specifically is true (including Alex Jones, the conspiracy subreddit etc.) It makes you wonder how much influence it really has outside of being a sort of internet meme, and its not-inconsiderable crossover with trolling communities supports that hypothesis, but it's somehow garnered such consistent mainstream attention that even my mum knows all about them. So is there an element of the Streisand effect in action, or are there actually significant pockets of society that genuinely believe in and act upon this (mid)information to this day?

Not directly, but a brewer friend of mine quit his job at a brewpub because his boss went Qrazy, and would subject his staff to mental rants on a daily basis (He also hosted the Proud Boys when they were in town.) And even less directly (but more amusingly), I had a bunch of anti-Trump stickers printed up during the pandemic. My wife stuck one up on the toll booth she goes through every day to work, and about two days later a 'WW1WGA' sticker had been put on top of it. So they're out there, for sure.

amputeeporn

Quote from: Noodle Lizard on November 06, 2021, 05:54:43 PM
Serious question: has anyone actually met a QAnonner in person?

My parents' next door neighbour. He's a builder and bought the house years ago, but instead of moving his family in, he kept them in their old house while he spent five years obsessively rebuilding it from scratch. They finally moved in over lockdown but the wife left because he'd gone crazy. The kids soon after (in their late teens I think), and only one of the kids still speaks to him.

Now his van's there all the time, which means he's not working at all (he's a one-man show, self employed). My parents can't get in or out without him haranguing them into long, mad conversations - all circling around Q (and Q-adjacent) conspiracy theories. He's recently told them his plan is to sell the house but buy the patch of land that his shed is on, to continue living in there.

Of course, he's also convinced that Covid isn't real while having had a hacking cough and long-Covid symptoms for months.

EDIT: I should mention, this is in middle England.

Famous Mortimer

Reading about the Dealey Plaza thing, apparently they're all lined up in single file, receiving individual instructions from a man with a parrot on his shoulder.

mothman

And they all formed a giant letter Q too, apparently. It's like a Halifax advert for cunts.

Buelligan

Qunts, surely?

Do think NoodleLizard's thought, how prevalent and real this is compared to how much exposure and concern it's afforded, is quite salient.  Makes me wonder, you know, about that thing, how the world seems to be turned into a mad fucking place (madder than that), populated and led by two-dimensional comic-book weirdos, makes me wonder whether it really is or whether the media is serving it that way for its own self-serving reasons (as it's always presented reality, through a drug-veil of distortion).  Or is that a conspiracy theory?

Anyway, what's more believable, we've all grown horns overnight or someone's painted some horns on the mirror?


PlanktonSideburns

never forget that lads a slaphead underneath his hat

Buelligan

Baldiness isn't the problem.  Problem is, this is a child[nb]in the worst sense.  A silly self-regarding nit-wit.[/nb].

mothman

Sure it's all culture war bollocks in the final analysis, but is culture war the cause or the symptom? Us laughing at QAnon's batshit delusions is the left's kind of sally into that arena, but should we instead ignore it (the only way to win is not to play, etc.)? Given the media like culture wars, and they're all on the side that does it best? When anything we do or say is waved away as just bring the Twitter echo chamber, or such that you have ministers going on Marr to say "Oh, I think you'll find all of this is of no concern to anyone outside the Westminster bubble, ordinary hard working families don't care about it" and so on and so on...

Quote from: PlanktonSideburns on November 07, 2021, 10:26:44 AM
never forget that lads a slaphead underneath his hat

Yeah, one glimpse of his bald pate would've shattered the illusion on Jan 6th. No wonder he always had that hat on.


TrenterPercenter

November 07, 2021, 03:10:15 PM #47 Last Edit: November 07, 2021, 03:24:24 PM by TrenterPercenter
I wonder what the psychological impact that American TV has had on its people.  Nearly every American you see on TV appears unreal and scripted.  Has there ever been culture on the earth so desperate to be on camera?

Buelligan

Quote from: kalowski on November 07, 2021, 02:58:02 PM
I hate Jamiroquai.

We are of one mind.

Quote from: Buelligan on November 07, 2021, 10:09:44 AM
Harry's Place and the Mental Child of Jay Kay and Quanon Buffalo


Key

I know its futile to ask but:

Why JFK?
Why not Reagan or Eisenhower or another (R)

I assume its cause the manner of his death affords the story greater sensationalism.

But it really ruins the credibilty.


I suppose in a cult it becomes a game of one-upmanship about who will believe the craziest bullshit.

Ferris

So 2+ weeks later, what happened?

From what I can piece together, some went home but there are still several hundred people showing up at Dealey Plaza all day every day; and the big reckoning has moved back to "either" November 17th (so a miss there), 19th (still time for this one!) or the 22nd (JFK will come back on the anniversary of his assassination for some reason).

I wonder how long they will stay there?

QDRPHNC

Quote from: Key on November 08, 2021, 10:06:42 AMWhy JFK?

I don't know the answer, but I'll make a stab at it. Back maybe 10 to 15 years ago, when the "vaccines cause autism" thing was getting big, there was something about how JFK Jr. had been speaking out about them and killed because of it. So given the overlap with modern Q-Anon and anti-vax crowd, it wouldn't surprise me if that was the connection.

And also the whole JFK being murdered by the CIA or something. These people's brains are dogs dinners.

Ferris

I had the same question - apparently there were photos of RFK with trump taken in the '90s, and that became the kernel of "he will be the Vice President!!" because the most fascinating thing about all this is the ability to synthesize stuff out of essentially nothing.

More on our friends in Dallas:

QuoteTwo weeks ago, when JFK failed to materialize, Protzman led his followers to a $300-a-ticket Rolling Stones concert that was taking place in the city and now claims without any evidence that the band had actually been replaced by Jackson (playing Mick Jagger), JFK Jr. (Keith Richards), and Prince (drummer Steve Jordan), while one of the backing singers was replaced by Aaliyah, the U.S. singer who died in a plane crash in 2001.

What a lineup. I don't like Vice's coverage because it is written with a lot of implicit sneering, but no one else is really covering this. Maybe that's fair enough I suppose.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/4awvyb/qanon-dallas-jfk-protzman

Ferris

Oh, and apparently they've taken to singing We Are the World in between reciting the pledge of allegiance en masse, and I think Michael Jackson is part of the canon somehow, but as a goodie. It's all gotten a bit odd

mjwilson

Quote from: FerriswheelBueller on November 19, 2021, 03:57:34 PMSo 2+ weeks later, what happened?

From what I can piece together, some went home but there are still several hundred people showing up at Dealey Plaza all day every day; and the big reckoning has moved back to "either" November 17th (so a miss there), 19th (still time for this one!) or the 22nd (JFK will come back on the anniversary of his assassination for some reason).

I wonder how long they will stay there?

It's not that JFK who's coming back. That would be silly.

Alberon

They're making the transition to a full-on religious cult.

This just shakes off those who are merely nutjob conspiracists while keeping the truly hatstand believers.

Ferris

Quote from: mjwilson on November 19, 2021, 07:52:55 PMIt's not that JFK who's coming back. That would be silly.

No it is him (aged 104) but RFK will be there too. Plus Aaliyah and shit.

Cold Meat Platter

So little ambition. JFK? Why not King Arthur or Godzilla?
It's the poverty of imagination that rankles most.

Ferris

Still there. Any day now, definitely.



Most recent shout was 9:11pm on November 22nd, which I love for its childish symbolism.