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Started by bgmnts, November 19, 2021, 06:25:11 PM
Quote from: chveik on November 19, 2021, 10:52:47 PMunless you're a leftist
Quote from: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on November 19, 2021, 10:23:26 PMStill at least this means it's fine for BLM protesters to tool up and murder the police in "self defense".HA HA HA CAN YOU FUCKING IMAGINE HOW QUICKLY THEY'D BE EXECUTED
Quote from: Deliciousbass on November 20, 2021, 01:10:05 AMHe killed two white guys so he can't be that racist.
Quote from: Retinend on November 20, 2021, 07:24:07 AMAre you aware of the details of the case? No policeman was shot.
Quote from: Retinendmake aggressive people think twice
Quote from: jobotic on November 20, 2021, 08:13:13 AMNo just people. Why would he shoot police? They're on the same side.
Quote from: Retinend on November 20, 2021, 07:43:18 AMGoing against the grain, I think that this result is just -though the wider context of gun ownership is unjust.
Quote from: Deliciousbass on November 20, 2021, 10:34:59 AMYeah, I agree with this. I think the whole thing is awful, but it does seem like a pretty clear case of self defense.
Quote from: SpiderChrist on November 20, 2021, 11:02:31 AMRiiiiiigggggghhhhhht.So if a black teenager had done the same thing they would have been acquitted? Come on. They'd be dead.
Quote from: JamesTC on November 20, 2021, 11:26:13 AMAdmittedly, I just don't want to look up the details too much as it is just too depressing. But why did he cross state lines with an assault rifle and go to a protest? Is there an explanation as to why that wasn't some form of provocation or incitement?
Quote from: Deliciousbass on November 20, 2021, 11:33:41 AMHe worked and had a social life in Kenosha, which was a 30 minute drive from where he lived. He picked up the gun from a friend of his in Kenosha.The protests had turned into riots at that point with something like $50 million worth of damage being done, which is why Rittenhouse and others showed up.Just to be clear, I think what he did was heinous, but he had the legal right to do so.
Quote from: Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse on November 20, 2021, 12:10:24 PMLike I said earlier, except people don't fucking read. Apparently it's legally fine that this 17 year old got tooled up with a weapon and went looking for trouble. No need to examine his motive for taking a high-powered weapon designed to kill people to a "counter-protest" to "protect property". The man he maimed in "self-defence" was arguably acting in the defence of everyone else when he pulled a gun on him since the little waste of space had already blown two people away. It's only a pity he wasn't quicker on the draw.
Quote from: El Unicornio, mang on November 20, 2021, 02:15:55 PMI think this is still more a problem with the US gun laws and other factors. 17-year olds are fucking idiots and shouldn't be allowed to wander around the streets armed to the teeth. Just thinking back to myself and everyone I knew at that age, I wouldn't trust any of them with a firearm.I mean, I wouldn't trust a lot of adults with a firearm either but if there's a cutoff point I'd have it at 21 minimum.
Quote from: Video Game Fan 2000 on November 20, 2021, 02:35:06 PMThere's no point getting into grotesque hypotheticals about this, especially about race. Protesters who stand out get maimed for all kinds of trivial reasons, you don't have to imagine BLM protesters pointing guns at cops. This is a good example how liberal media has a kind of 'outrage complicity' with the hard right. The way the story was ginned up was irresponsible. I don't think any one particular media outlike was intentionally trying to construct a narrative or use the case to push any ideological position, but this trial came at the same time as appalling news for the Biden administration inc the pruning of BBB, the Kamala bullshit, approval ratings drop, inflation, etc. and many others so a lot of untrue or questionable things were presented as fact. Its just mana from heaven for social media engagement. Which serves only to elevate Rittenhouse in the eyes of the hard right, who like the legend of the young Proud Boy member who crossed state lines with illegal guns to shoot into a protest more than they like the reality.The horror of this is the way that the US seems to actively promote vigilantism and gun ownership. From a political perspective shouldn't be a question of whether it was legally self-defense or not, but whether its good that situation had to arise at all. Detracting from that and acting as if the self-defense dimension was even in question seems to have been, at the very least, horribly irresponsible and now Rittenhouse is getting internship offers from Gaetz and Gosar.
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